No Jumper - Five Nine Jay on Leaving the Norteños, Exposing Mexican Gangs, Swifty Blue & More

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

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Okay, Merry Christmas. We're dropping this whole interview early. We're not going to roll it out clip by clip instead we're just dropping the whole thing on your head. All I ask is please consider becoming a member because members get early access to all our content. So without further ado, I present you the 5-9J interview. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And I'm bringing y'all a very long-awaited interview with the man himself who constantly tears up YouTube and gets the streets talking. 5-9J, aka J Hands in the building. How you doing? How you doing? Bro, thanks. It was a pleasure to be here. You're going to dry, man.

But I'm glad I made it. I made the cut. Nah, I'm hype, man. Yeah, I actually thought that you had never done an interview prior. And now I've actually seen the other interviews that you've done with my boy Johnny Mitchell and everything. So, you know, I'm just hyped to get to map out the whole story and everything. Johnny Mitchell was cool.

He had me doing it in Los Angeles. Yeah. Bro, that was like, we were in like Englewood. Oh, I think I heard. already know the neighborhood that you went to because I went there one time to do it too. And actually right as I was leaving, there was like an older dude who clearly was like a Nazi before or currently in his life coming in. It was like, oh, I get to meet this cool white power guy.

That's interesting. I never get to. My experience was totally different. Wait, really? Who did you run into? I remember when, because you know how it's like in a busy street? So I get out there. As soon as I got there, he let me in.

So I didn't see nobody. But when I was out, like, you know, it was. was in the back so when I go on the front waiting for my Uber my Uber is like 25 minutes away and I'm just looking at all these law riders and these thugs and dudes on beach cruises and bikes walking around just mad dog and me and they're all in blue and I'm like oh shit I was that good yeah I'm just stranded here for 25 minutes outside 20 okay because was it like behind the house yeah that's the same spot that I went to then yeah that's like uh yeah 25 minutes felt like a lifetime when you're just sort of standing there and you got all different walks of life walking by

and shit and it's me I was just talking about I'm a renegade. Everybody in L.A. hate me. So I was sitting and just like, all right, bro. Let's just hope nothing happens. And then 25 minutes later, my Uber shows up and I made it back to the hotel.

I think I was at the Hilton right around the corner. Uh-huh. From that spot, the Hilton Hotel. Oh, okay. Nice. It was a nice hotel. I looked up with a girl out here. Had a blast.

Oh, okay. And then I flew right back to where I was at. Nice, nice. Yeah. So he was a good podcast. It was a great one. Yeah, yeah. No, Johnny's a good guy.

He's, he, like, makes me feel like, I have like a first grade level education when it comes to the cartels and just like whatever, all that stuff. But he just knows everything, like way too much about that world. Yeah, he's fascinated with the cartels. Every once in a while I dab into that kind of content, do cartel stuff every now and then. But it's like that's, you know, streets of L.A. and streets of California, I know gang politics.

So when you get into the cartel business, you're kind of like, man, I don't even know how to pronounce these words most of the time. So I kind of stay away from it unless it's like something serious. Do you find that your audience wants to hear you talk about one thing in particular? And if you go into the cartel world, that that's just a little too exotic for your audience, that they're just not really, like, familiar with it? No, you'd be surprised. Like, every time I do, like, a cartel video, if you read the comments section, they're real educated.

My audience has a diverse education. They understand a lot. They know more than me. So sometimes they're giving me comments like, well, it's like this. And they break it down more. And I'm like, they know that. I did not know that. You know, so I think it's when I step outside the gang realm of content is when I don't

get the views, which I'm still trying to do every now and then I dabble into different subject matters. But I mean, everybody in California loves this gang talk. So I was like, okay, I stuck with it. So I give it to them. I take my time, but I give them what they really want. I know my audience well enough to know, like, what they want to listen to, what they're entertained by, and I have to oblige myself to that, to them what they want.

You know what Johnny told me one time is that he said that his channel maybe doesn't earn as much money as other channels because a huge percentage of his audience is locked up and they, well, I guess I don't know why that would make his channel earn last or whatever. But either way, he believes that like a gigantic percentage of his audience is like currently incarcerated, which is kind of wild. You don't buy it? No, I remember going to work one time and there was like two coworkers of mine were like, hey, bro. I've seen you on Johnny Mitchell's town. I was like, I don't. I just got interviewed by him. Yeah, that was a cool experience.

So, nah. Dudes in jail got a hell a lot more things to be doing. Like, every once in a while, like, I'll get, I'll get a phone call from a cell phone from somebody in prison and they'll be like, hey, bro, I've been watching this stuff for a while. I think the most recent one was a dude that used to be an Aryan brother, Selly, one of the biggest one of the biggest Aryan Brotherhood's names in California. He was a Selling. He was like, hey, I used to be Selly for like seven years.

I got a clap, you know. And he gave me just like some little ongoing things that was going on in prison. He's like, hey, but keep doing your thing. I should be home soon. I'm like, all right. So they watch. And the more I've grew on my channel,

the more people understood the sources that I had. I reached out to a lot of people in prison and they reached out to me because they have cell phones. That's why I've been able to get a lot of inside information. So they do watch it. But when I was in prison, I'm going to be watching no damn YouTube. I was looking at a hell of twerk videos.

Isn't that just torturing yourself, though? You're watching like gangster content and like prison content. You're kind of just filling your mind with more of the stuff that you're already surrounded by. You know, you could go watch some dude beat up another dude out in the day room or some shit. I can just, I was already politicking. Yeah.

So what I want to hear about politics and like I said, I got busted in 2005. And, you know, I was 18. I was only out for six months. I had there three years and YA before that. So, you know, I only had small interactions with women here and there. So, you know, me going to jail, I was like, I was feeding for a woman.

So when I got a cell phone, I was like, I ain't give it down about nothing. I just want to see a girl twerk. And twerking wasn't a big thing in my area. So I was like, when I heard about these videos, I was like, yeah, you're like a kid. It's like, what's a kid do? If you're like 10 and you get the, I know when I was, I think I was 13 when I first got the internet right away. First thing first. Like, we got to see some.

Now, yeah. You're the same age? I'm 38. 42, freshly 42. Yeah. Even before the end. internet dude i used to watch like oh yeah i would stay up like around like when i was like three or four i would stay up and watch like HBO and showtime and watch the soft and then i would just sit there

with like cups of water my way why you dehydrated yourself from the goon session what no i swear look my grandma everybody would be asleep we live in a two-bedroom apartment and it'd be like eight of us in there because i come from a mexican family who was ghetto younger so she always had like every time we ran out of a gallon of milk she just filled up a water so we always had cold water. And I would just grab a cup of water, drink it, just watch my watch softball. And I switched to all the channel.

I used to watch Real Sex Talk TV and just watch weird stuff. And then I know when everybody was waking up to go to work. So I was like, okay, it's time for bed. I was like three or four years old. I was somewhere around there. Oh, you were five watching. Yeah, I was young when I started watching. Oh, shit.

Yeah, I wonder what that does to you. It had the adverse effect the long term. It's got to do something in the long run. I remember I read Marilyn Manson's book and he was talking about finding his grandfather's stash of like super weird. And in addition to that, like photos of his grandfather wearing women's clothes and stuff. And then if you look at like what a weirdo Marilyn Manson ended up being, it's kind of like, oh, well, I guess that probably didn't hurt too much. I took his own rib out just to handle his own business.

I'm pretty sure that was a myth. I don't know. To this day, I mean, his ribs look weird. So when you ever see him on social media with his shirt off, I was like, that fool probably did that. I think some models really be getting their ribs taken out to fix their shape or something. That's excessive, man. Just be you and you're the one. Somebody's going to like you in this world.

Yeah. So I see it. Definitely. So how far is, so you're from the city of Tulare. Tulare. Tulare. Tulare. Okay.

The only thing I know about it is that my boy Tommy Guns is always talking about Tulare County because he's from Pixley. He's from Pixley. Which is in there. The biggest city in Tulare is Vasilia. Okay. After Tilleri. I live next door. Uh-huh.

Tulane Vasily and Visei. Tommy guns, man. Oh, here we go. Here we go. We're going to disrespect the South Siders. No, no. I'm just saying, like, today's rapping is garbage, bro.

Like, he's blowing up. He's got some potential, though. I feel like he's actually got better music than probably 99% of people out here making music. Maybe 99's a lot. Maybe 95. I don't know. Maybe I'll scale it back. I think he's pretty good.

Pixley is a very, very, very. small town. Yeah. It got like two companies that, like if you really got, want a good job, they have like two companies in the valley that are pretty good. Okay. J.D. Haskells and crafts maybe, like sort of like by Bakersfield, but it's a small town, bro.

It's pretty much, you can walk through it and just disappear and forget about it. It's really, really small. Pixie, Tempton, those are all early markets. Those are all little towns. I say, but to Larry, and if I say, is we're going to see most of the biggest gangs. Right. Yeah. Because that's what's interesting about his whole situation is that he's out here dissing the Northerners and his music like all the time.

It took me a little while to realize like why he's talking about busters so much and shit like that. I'm thinking he's just this and whoever and then like slowly realizing like, oh, okay, that's who he's got issues with. Okay. Yeah, but his town is all Southerners and it's very small. It's like I swear it's like a 10 minute walk and drive. It's small. So he doesn't really interact with northerners other than if he goes to another city.

See, back of my day, when I used to beef with Pixley is because they don't have a high school. So they would take the school bus and come to our high school and that's when we would catch them slipping on the east side of Tularee. That was like the best time

they catch a southerner slipping. Oh, wow. But I don't get how he beefed with Northerners when he doesn't really have northerners. But sometimes, you know, Pixie Southerners will go to Tulare to Vassia a party and see a northerner, shoot him. And then it goes back and forth.

like that but I ain't back in my day like if I caught you I caught you I ain't driving 10 towns over just to go find you like I'm trying to get laid I'm trying to smoke or something right really going on my way for you unless you're in my neighborhood that was I mean I'll give it to him that it's a quick little drive if you wanted to go find one of these people that is dissing in his music but I do think it's pretty funny the the obsession with the northerners that a lot of L.A. rappers have because they literally are never going to see one of these people ever unless they get locked up Never. But that's the thing though.

Like, I've always beef with Southerners from the Valley, but if I've seen a southern from L.A., I'd be like, damn, that's a rare, that's a rare kind. Like we, growing up in the Valley, we want to beef or back then when I was used to be one, we wanted to beef with northerners that were in our areas because they're invading our areas. But the dude from L.A., he wouldn't even be no threat because I'm like, bro, he's more likely to hear with his family on a barbecue, see some, you know, whatever. Yeah. But even then, Northerners go down to L.

Like, I've heard it from so many South Siders. Like, bro, we don't get a damn about you guys up north. We got enemies of our own to kill each other. We don't care about some dude wearing a resume farmers. So it's like not a really big deal unless you want to make it a big deal. Yeah, that's interesting because I feel like the average northern are, you know, if you come down here, like in particular, if you're doing like more touristy type stuff, I mean, what are the odds you going to run into somebody who's actually got an issue with you pretty well, right? I went to the, even as a dropout, I went to Santa Fea Swatmeet. And nobody said nothing to me.

Yeah. Nobody said nothing to me. And I've been to certain towns in L.A. wearing red. And no one's ever confronting me. I feel like Southerners, they just focus on each other. They know who they want to go to war with. It wasn't until I got, like, famous when everybody's seen that video that I posted of me at the Santa Fe Swabme, when everybody's like, bro, you come back. You're going to get murdered.

And I'm like, who said I was going to be back? It was just a one-time thing. I just heard about it and I wanted to go see it. And it was a good experience. I seen a lot of beautiful women. I seen the Chicano. culture out there and it was good, but he ain't going to see me in LA all the time, bro. I feel like it's really in LA.

I feel like the reason why is because the dudes who are actually burnt out enough to crash out on some guy that they've never met because they can tell by the way he's dressed or whatever that he's from another gang are just not really. Those are the kind of guys that for the most part are staying on their block. They're not really like going to the Santa Monica Pier. They're not walking up and down Hollywood Boulevard patrolling. You know, they're in their own. Neck of the woods.

They just stuck in the own little round. They didn't make it moves. That's the only ones that talk the most. That's why I come to LA every once in a while most of the time. And like there's no fear in it because, like I said, everybody's gangbanging in these little small areas. The places where I'm going and the things that I'm doing, like, I don't have to worry about gangs. I've been to Santa Monica up here. I've been to Venice Beach wearing red and it doesn't, it didn't affect me because since I've been out of Laleen, nobody's really banged on me except at six flags.

Oh yeah We're having a six flags My baby mama at the time Was pregnant And I didn't I had I'm not very educated In a lot of aspects of life

So I thought maybe we can go Get on some rides But since she has a baby She couldn't get on a lot of them But I wanted the experience So I was like She got on a couple And I had just been popping on YouTube

And I seen this southern And he had a blue rag And he was all tatted up And he asked me He's like Are you renegating? I was like Yep

I was like What is what it is And then he died I swear He just shook my hand Give me a hug He's like, hey, fool, just keep through your, bro. Like, you don't want to get caught out here like that.

And I was like, no, I just came to Six Flags to ride the Batman and the Riddler. He was like, I, fool, cool. And he just let me walk. And I was like, cool. Same thing that happened in Anaheim when I went to Adventureland or Adventure something, Adventure City. Okay, sounds familiar. Yeah, like, little rides. I took California Wild Adventure or something.

No, it was like Adventure something. It's right across street from like Knottbury Farm. Yeah. Southerners right there hit me up. And we were like, what's you doing down here? And I was like, enjoying the rise of my kids. And they were like, cool, all right, food, stay up, bro. And I'm like, so I get a lot of love.

I haven't really ran into people that really want to smoke. But it's like, like I said, those are going to be individuals that really just looking for a body and they're in their hood doing it. They're not in these neutral places where I'm going to be at where I'm just looking to have fun, looking to enjoy what L.A. has to offer, which is very small when you really think about it. It's more gangs and more just big cities than anything. Yeah, no, 100%. Yeah, I mean, just even in general, like when I go out and a lot,

about like if I go to the mall for a couple hours, it's like almost never do I even see dudes who are on some tough shit, on some gangster shit, et cetera. Like it's just, it feels like such a rarity. And then if you do run into some dude who's like from a gang or whatever, it's like, what are the odds that they're going to trip out on somebody that they're like not supposed to get along with? It's just like, it takes so much for you to actually feel the need to put yourself out there, especially knowing that nobody is there to witness you not causing a commotion. I feel like people for the most part when they press somebody, especially somebody that they have like theoretical beef with from the internet, it's more just like for respect or for show.

And if you don't have people around to like judge how you're behaving, and then it's just like, who cares? It's easy for you to walk away, right? I think it was even more dangerous in today's generation is that back in my generation, you can tell who was not a gang member and who was. Now every dude would have fade in a taper or a mullet in a bowl cut looks like a gang member you're like you could be just some average kid that just likes to wear a pro club and you look at him like bro that fool probably wants to smoke well like that's a fool he looks dangerous he probably got

he probably got something on him and it might not even be the case but you can't tell with these gang members more because these kids are so young so like to me now today's generation I look around like if I feel like it's a potential and I'm just going to get myself out the way you know what I mean but other than that back in my day it was easy to tell it was a gang member now you don't know what these kids are up but do you think that that's just because like

so many of the popular rappers are gangsters or gang members or whatever so the kids want to dress like gang members so they they dress up like whoever they're feeling or they're going to go buy some jeans they're going to buy some jeans that kind of look like their favorite rapper and their favorite rappers is a gangster so like it's just sort of melds together

Yeah, it's a trickling down effect. A lot of these kids just, I see so many people that hit me up, and they just, like, they'll either just disrespect me in my IG. And I'm like, bro, you didn't even look like a gamer. We just dressed like one. I think this gang culture gotten so big in California where if you want to make it on social media or be somebody on social media, you got to look apart. Even if you're not one, you've got to look apart because that's what gets the most attention online.

And that's what it's influencing a lot of these kids. kids and I'm trying to teach kids now like, bro, you ain't got to dress like that. You ain't got to act like that. You ain't got to talk like that. You ain't got to say the N-word a thousand times. You ain't got it every time you take a picture. It's like, what the hell is that, bro? Just like take a regular picture, bro. Like, do you want to impress dudes or you trying to get women, bro? Because the ratio for single men and single women is like five to one. There's women out here. There's numbers to get. But instead, you want to impress that dude over there for his respect. Like his respect, I'm going to get you nowhere.

Yeah. But that's all I've seen. Sometimes I'll be like, man, I'm kind of glad that I grew up. Yeah, no, definitely. And that's a nice thing about being 40 or nearly 40 in your case is that, you know, so much of that stuff that just seems super important when you're 18, 19, this, like, fascination with violence and respect and revenge or whatever. That, like, a lot of that just really tends to drift away as time goes by and you realize there's better things in life. I prefer peace and tranquility now.

Yeah, yeah. And in my craft, like I said, YouTube is my hobby because, like I said, I'm sober. I've been sober for a long time coping with that. trying to be sober out here in society. You know, it's hard being a 9 to 5 worker. I have a job paying bills and all that, getting taxed like crazy. You know, I use YouTube as my hobby.

I've developed my friendships through YouTube. And, you know, sometimes I try to show these kids that, look, man, I did 15 years straight in prison. I didn't get in, going in and out, like some of these repeated offenders. I did it straight. Maxed out my first year on riots. And I came home with $200 and look where I'm at.

I've been making over $105K the last three years on YouTube. Like if I can do it and I started from none I came out from my prison stuff From my concrete tomb Why don't y'all do that Instead of just posting a picture with a pistol Like, you're gonna get nowhere But you're just gonna fill up my bunk

That's what I'm doing Dude that 105K per month Or per year, that's amazing I love to hear those stories About people who are really able To make something dope for themselves Like keep a job Or like not necessarily even have it

Like be the focal point of their whole life And still be able to have like a crazy Extra source of income That's far Yeah, on my job pays me like 28 an hour. I work 10, 12 hours shifts Monday through Friday. But on the weekend, the moment I wake up, drink my cup of coffee, I'm right there just getting all these stories, making all these phone calls, editing all these videos. So by the time Sunday night comes and

I'm getting ready for work, I got about 10 videos for the week. And I just keep doing that repeatedly until my videos stack up. And then once I have a lot, and I'm like, okay, I'm going to drop all these first while I study and look for other topics. So while I'm working, I'm still making money. I'm editing and lend the money just building itself and I just save all that money. So you don't, you haven't thought about going full time and quitting your job? Or is, I did when, um, when I left California, I did for like four months and those are prior like my best months. But that was during the time when I was really cloud chasing. And I don't want to become that no more. I didn't like the person that I became and, you know,

I see other people do that when they make videos about other people and when they really got going, nothing going for themselves. I just told myself, what I look like being? a grown man sitting on a couch, watching what another man does, and then I make a video about it, whether it's, you know, constructive criticism, whether it's making fun of them, talking down on them, or even positivity. Like, these people are out here making moves. That's why they're the subject matter. So even though I was making like 10 grand, 12,000, 11 grand those months, full time would have

to be something like promising. YouTube is not promising because, like I said, I've had good months and I've also had bad months. Sometimes I make only five grand a month and then there's times where people give me some content and the next thing

you know I'm making 8, 10 grand a month yeah. If I really wanted to I would do it but YouTube ain't my it ain't my focal point having a career

having a retirement plan that's my end goal so I figured like I'm 38 this is a young man's game but if I can do it like two more years, three more years if I can get big like

swamp stores or get big like you know what's that Warren Cali or or even Killer Chronicles. If I could do a video where you could just do one, get like 500,000 views a million views, that's money right there, but I'm not there yet.

Yeah, at that point, it would probably be hard to keep the normal job. But I feel like if you, I would say keep the normal job as long as possible just because at a certain point, like if you're the kind of person that needs to like really make like at least one or two videos a day,

that could just really kind of suck the fun out of it. And especially like, there's a lot of great content creators who don't upload that much. But if they were to really be profit maximizing, then they would be streaming all the time and they'd be making videos about people that they wouldn't normally make videos about

just to get as much money as possible. And I feel like a lot of that might kind of suck the life out of a channel. There was a time where I talked about it on my YouTube channel, but I was like, you know, I had talked to this one YouTuber. Flacco, he was in, he's in Arizona prison right now, but he was like, hey, don't get lost into this world.

And I've heard it from other YouTubers. And they're like, don't get lost into this world because it's drama. So when I seen the drama happening with YouTubers against YouTubers, that's when I fell back. I was like, bro, what are we doing? Like, we beefing with each other and we're supposed to be creating content. But then there was times when my son was born when I wasn't working that I was making $11,000, $12,000. But I wasn't spending no time with my son. I was literally like all day and all night.

By the time I knew he was going to bed and I didn't even hold my son. I didn't feed him. I had changed his diaper. And I felt bad. I was like, man, I'm going to be able to neglecting my son to talk about Swifty to talk about this guy, talk about KripMag. I'm like, what the hell do? So I started falling back to where my weekends, I dedicate to my kids. I do my videos from 11 to 1 in the morning.

And then after that, hey, I put the phone down. I put the iPad down because I just do it with a simple iPad and the iPhone. And I go spend time with my kids. And if it ain't worth talking about it, I won't talk about it. If it means I get only $3,000 next month, hey, $3,000 is better than zero. So I just take my time now But if I really invested in my craft a little bit better And took more time my videos

Yeah, I might be the next Swamp Stories I might be the next Warren Caliare Hood archives But I also have a job And that's far more important Because that's gonna give me my house That's my 401K I'm putting into So I want to be a big content creator It's just this gang and prison culture genre

It's dying, it's dying Yeah, and I feel like I've seen it Sort of slowly dying for like 10 plus years because, you know, I remember when like Cali Muscle came out and it was like he's doing the prison spread videos and it's like brand new and they're doing millions of views. And then as time goes by, it starts to really like flush itself out and all of a sudden you got people like 23 and 1, 1090 J. Pino, et cetera, all these people coming out and sort of like telling stories about themselves and shit that they've seen in jail. But the truth is is that that that is really like, there's only

so much you can really do in terms of like, you know, like a race-rides. It's like the craziest thing that most people could ever imagine even witnessing. But once you talked about it a couple of times, it's kind of like, okay, yeah, a bunch of people beating each other up. What else? What else you got to talk about? And so somebody like 1090 smart because he managed to like expand out of that and find his own lane just talking about crazy stuff up street shit in general. And, you know, touching on the rappers, everything like that. But it's, you know, it's difficult to find your own lane.

And we kind of seen that over and over where a lot of dudes who get success with the prison stuff is just not really. meant to last unless they find a good way to pivot. I'm trying to pivot right now. Like, I remember when 1090 Jake reached out to me. You know, he did a video one time and then, you know, he mentioned me, so I thought that was cool. I had to talk to only once or twice. Okay. But I would love to be like 1090 Jake and just find my pivot.

My pivot was, you know, I started off on YouTube talking about me because I was beefing with a lot of Northerners at the time. I was part of a gang. I was against Northerners at the time. And then throughout time, I started beefing with my own gang until finally my son was born. I was like, bro, what am I doing, bro? Like, I got a, I got a blessing right here. YouTube money.

And back then I wasn't making crap. But I still looked at it. Like, man, it's helping me with the rent. God damn it. Yeah. And, you know, I don't want to be a narcissist by talking about myself. Because, look, anybody that's been in these prison genres or does these prison crap, bro, there ain't no million stories to talk about.

I've told my stories. I have some cool, like, war stories, like, you know, being in a cell with a homie, we did something funny or stupid. But to sit there and say, man, every day I was politics. and every day I was stabbing somebody every day. I was, that's a little crap. They don't go down like that. I did 15 years in prison, and I was on some of the worst yards,

and there's peace, there's quiet. People are having fun, writing letters. So that's when I just said, oh, you know what? I'm going to tell other people's stories. I'm going to get into true crime because, you know, I used to watch a lot of true crime documentaries. I was like, let me do that, but from the gang aspect. And it's worked.

It's not going to work for long, but it's worked. For the last past two years, all I've been doing is talking about gangs in L.A., gangs up north, gangs and women. gangs in Washington, but it's mostly northerners and southerners, and even that's going to reach a point, and it has this limitation. So I'm at that point to see, if I don't find something next to do that's going to be fulfilling, then yeah, I'm going to walk away from his YouTube. Like, it was a blessing and thank you guys and try to do podcasting or something miles, but I found my lane, but I still see that this new lane for me that I've done it better than

most YouTubers is still a limitation, and I get tired of limitations. So do you feel like why would the northern or southerner content kind of dry up just because you feel like you've covered so much of it, or do you feel like that in general is kind of dying out? No, right? That's just going to be around forever. Look, I got maybe even, I got content on just Southern California probably for the rest of this year, guaranteed.

Northerners, you don't really hear a lot of the drama like that like you do in Southerners. But it's the same narrative. This dude pulled up on this dude, asked him if he bang, seen his color, shot him, and then I just read the police reports, and I show the pictures of the victims. So I try hard to find positive messages or conveying messages or just, you know, I look at a story and be like, what can I tell these kids of what not to do or what it looks like. But it's the same thing.

It's just a gang member pull up on another gang member, boo-hoo. They're just smoking each other. Yeah. Because most of the time when I do that, it's the gang that I talk about. They show up in the comment section. It's like, yeah, we did that. We put it in work. Or it's a southern.

I'm like, well, you ain't doing it over here. And I just see a bunch of net bangers just banging. arguing with each other. I'm like, bro, you all missed the whole point. Two foods got smoked, and one of your homeboys got smoked. And then you retaliated and smoked him. Like, what was the end result? Yeah, it's kind of crazy because I feel like the origin of the genre was like stories that were about famous people for the most part, you know, or like even like some somebody like academic starts with the war in Shirek. He didn't start with it, but it was like a huge thing for him in the beginning. And then that has gone from like, oh, okay, we're talking about like rappers and

their friends to like then eventually it was like okay well we kind of ran out of stories to tell about rappers and their friends so instead we're going to talk about like every different gang be from not just famous gangs or gangs that are associated with famous rappers but instead we're going to talk about every violent incident that happens ever i feel like that was almost like 1090 jake's like big breakthrough realization is that like oh if there's like a crazy drive-by shooting i can do a video about it it don't matter if there's like a famous person involved like people want to know about this crazy shit, period. But now that has henceforth spawned like a million other sort of copycats

that are kind of doing the same thing. So now it's like a crazy rat race to tell these stories. Sometimes like there's stories when I like if I go back, I'm doing a researcher, I'll like see a video about a crazy incident. And I'm like, oh, this video came out like two years after that thing happened. And it was the first person to make a video about it. That's not happening anymore. Now a rapper gets shot up in their car.

hundreds of videos instantly about it. Yeah. It's cool, though, because if you really think about it, that's where a lot of the money's at. Even people that are not involved in a gang life are so intrigued with it. So that's why I get real in depth. Like, I talk to the families.

I talk to the families of the victims, the families of the suspects. I'll dig up their homies hood. And I think everybody, since I made myself so accessible, everybody reaches out to me when they know I'm going to talk about it. And it'd be like, dudes from these gangs that are acting. Like, man, this was the inside stories. So to make it more intriguing, and when I do the videos, it gets the numbers.

I'm like, that was a crazy story. And when I hear about why they got smoked and what they did to get smoked, I'm sitting there doing the story like, God damn, you guys are wilding out, bro, over Instagram life. Are over attacking, okay. And then they'll shoot me pictures. And that's how I've gotten good at the craft. Like I said, it's already running its course because everybody's talking about it.

Now, I've seen AI generated videos that get bigger numbers of me. I'm like, bro, I'm over here putting in hell. work and this dude just used AI generated stuff, typed up a little speech, and he won more than me. Bro, the AI generated stuff, if anything is going to take down YouTube as a whole, like TikTok is like an existential threat to YouTube in general. There's so many YouTubers I think about who used to do vlogs 10 years ago, five years ago, et cetera, that like that kind of content doesn't really exist anymore because now people would rather consume that kind of content in short form. and then once you throw AI in the mix

like some of the documentary YouTubers that I talk to they look at that shit as like that's the thing that's going to this whole game up like Trappler Ross is a good example where he used to make these like very beautiful long multi-hour long documentaries about gangs about

rappers about whatever and he still does that but it's like much much harder for him to find topics that are actually interesting enough to people to justify doing a two three-hour documentary and now for the most he just makes these sort of like short 10, 20 minute long videos where like some breaking news happens.

He makes a video basically just like reacting to it on the fly. It's not scripted and anything like that. And the fact that that is working way better for him than putting together these really polished two, three hour documentaries to me kind of says everything about the audience. They're just like, they've just been overexposed to such a crazy extent. And now they want stuff right now. And if you're going to tell me that story a month later, like, nah, like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm already into all that.

Like, I want to hear the tidbits, bit by bit. Yeah, that's what's going to destroy. It's like, nobody's really authentic no more. Like, I like to watch people. Like, I want to see the person talk. I want to see him tell the story. Yeah. That's why I still stay on camera.

I don't use nothing AI at all. I don't even use my item, my own thumbnails. I don't use it. I stay away from all that crap. Yeah. Like, I'm more old school. Like, if we're going to put into work, put in the work. So every dollar that I earned from YouTube is because I sat there on that desk and on that

computer and made these phone calls and I got it done. Yeah. Kind of like Los Angeles times the way they do it. I just think there's the authenticity and realism. I think it's more important to people than these bull crap AIs. But you got to give it to like Swamp Stories. He uses A-I. That boy hit a million views on that Ditty Video.

Were really? He used AI for that, you think? I think, like, if you look at the one where he did, like, with the Northerners and Scylunders or the Mexican mob, a lot of this AI generated, like, images. A lot of the videos. Oh, the images for sure. But already, the thumbnail thing, like,

it came out. A lot of people probably like, oh, I'm going to save money by doing these AI thumbnails. But then meanwhile, every, like, high quality channel that you look at doesn't use AI thumbnails. I feel like AI thumbnails make you look like a bum,

like off-rib. It's just like, oh, did you see that specific art style? You're like, oh, no, mind. A thumbnail that's AI generating, I'll catch my attention. Yeah, I know. But if it's some real, like, you crafted it and you made it look raw,

then I'm like, hold on real quick. I'm like, I think one of the best documentaries that people that put it together, you kill it chronicles. Yeah. Like if you watch his stuff, man, I can get so invested in. His videos will be like an hour long and I'll be right there like, God damn, this fool put together. And he's using some AI software, but his authenticity and his investigations, blow your mind,

especially when it comes to like northerners and southerners. I mean, YouTube in theory, or I hear that they're taking down tons of AI channels, which is really interesting because another tech platform like Spotify is like embracing it. Like they want AI music on their platform because it kind of like lowers the value of music. So like an AI music creator is going to expect to get paid less than an actual artist who has to go on tour and is expecting for the music to actually pay the rent and everything like that. So I feel like YouTube is actually one of the only platforms that's actually really aggressively trying to, you know, lessen the AI effect, which is kind of crazy. I don't want to be in competition with a damn robot. I'm trying to be with other content creators.

You know, it's friendly competition. They make a bad video. Sometimes, you know, we're all talking about the same subject. Yeah. Let's see who, let's see who's the best content grader. Let's see who actually talks about it better than anybody. Let's go back to those school days when it was just friendly competition, get the views up. AI is just killing it.

Killing it for me too. I'm like, man, I hate it. Every time I open up YouTube, everything's AI. I'd be like, man, I just close up. Like, man, I'm going to just go back to Instagram. Like, for me, I use it because, like, if I'm writing a script or if I'm putting together information, it saves me a lot of time. Like, if I want to, you know, tell me five rappers who've had this kind of controversy.

Boom. It's like right in front of me. would have taken me a lot longer to Google that stuff. But I use it more just like a search engine. I'm not letting it write the whole script for me. Or I will let it rewrite a script for me sometimes. But even that, then I'll be reading it. I'll have to go through and edit that script a bunch myself because I know it doesn't

sound like me. And, you know, it'll change little things, et cetera, that won't really understand. But, yeah. No, I like the process. Like when somebody throws a topic and I was like, ooh. And I just, man, I go into this whole rabbit hole when it comes to these murder investigation and these gang investigations. I'm like, I'm looking up this art dude, his mug shot.

I'm looking up his paperwork, his back history. I'm reading the whole paperwork. I'm getting the transcripts. I reach out to the families. I'm looking up on Facebook, who's his relatives. I go down rabbit holes sometimes where I'd be a whole day on one video, but I'm like, you know what, this is going to be a bad video. Like the video I'm dropping this week on Renegade Media,

it's about a murder in Westlake, and it has like three individuals from Rockwood got killed by Diablo Streese. Like, that I went down like a whole weekend of reading the murder report, watching the surveillance footage looking at the mug shots and then reaching out to that neighborhood Di Aresi, that whole process to me is fun.

So that's why I just stay away from all searchings and stuff. I got to get deep in it because I want to get the story right. Yeah, because there's so much stuff that the AI is not realistically going to do. Like one of the things that I've seen Trable Ross do is like he'll have somebody on his team or he'll even do it himself and they'll, okay, there's

you know, say there's like two rappers and one, you know, is allegedly killed the other one, but the other one has like a brother who's been running his mouth on Facebook for the last five, six, seven years. And he'll spend like a whole day going through every single Facebook post. Like imagine the days that he spent going through every single King Vaughn tweet just to find the ones where, and then to match up the timestamps to be like, oh, like, this is what he tweeted two hours after he allegedly committed this murder. The AI is not going to be able to put this stuff together. Once you document it, then the

I might really be able to because, yeah, it could, like, access your mind or whatever, but, like, you know, I don't, but I, man, I see people to use it crazy ways all the time. Like, even, like, my doctor gave me, like, a report the other day, and this girl that works for me just, like, sent me, like, the AI summary of it right away. And I was just like, oh, like, she's younger. Like, she just thought of that right away. Like, like, of course, why wait for the doctor to tell you what this form or this, like, you know, all these, uh, details. that came out, like why wait for the doctor? You can just give it to the AI. The AI is gonna tell you exactly what it means. That's why Trapplor makes the money that he makes. If you think about it, those kind of videos and those kind of views, especially if they're watching the whole thing,

every single ad, bro, you're making $5,000, off one video. Oh yeah. Of one video. And I mean, I gotta do 35 videos a month just to get, just to cross that threshold of five or seven thousand. These dudes, to me, hard work pays off.

I mean, that's the problem with that sort of like documentary stuff. thing that Ross does is that it's like, I think if the video makes seven grand, then it might not pay for itself because you got so many people doing the research and editing it and working on it and stuff like that. So that's kind of crazy to think like at that point, if you need to be able to make 10 grand off the video in order for it to make sense, that business doesn't really make that much sense because how many stories are

there that you can make 10 grand up one video. That's why I do everything solo, bro, with an iPad pro and a tripod, and it's me and it's all money to me. I mean, yeah, my editing is, you know, mediocre and it's low level. It ain't top tier, but I'm getting by, you know, I've been paying off my vehicles. I've been stacking money. I take my kids to places. I take my kids all over the world.

So the hard work pays off just I have to make some necessary sacrifices. I ain't out there partying. I ain't out there drinking. I ain't going on dates with girls. I'm just at home. Like, all right, let's get this money. And eventually it's going to pay off in a long run. I'm already out of my third vehicle paying off my third vehicle off YouTube.

And I already got money set aside for a house. So that's going to be my son's name. So it pays off. But like I said, I want to be on that next level where I could just do it by myself with just that one video. Because I know 1090J got to team too and they edit and stuff and his production. Well, he's interesting because he actually, like, used to, he used to spend like eight hours editing each video, he told me.

Now he just kind of records it live as he goes. He's just, you know, he's just like reading shit and reacting to different edits and stuff like that. And like he doesn't have to do any editing now. and he's actually like kind of getting more views. So I feel like a lot of people are coming to this realization that a lot of the production stuff, making your videos more high quality,

etc doesn't really add much to it. Like you just got fans who want information and they're not really that picky about you making it like the most polished, clean product ever. They just kind of want to know what's going on. Well, iPad Pro that I've had paid off for five years. And it's been my source of income. It costs me $1,100.

I got a tripod and I got some, lights like this, put it in front of me, and I sit in my room in my desk, and I just record, and I still make the same amount of money as a lot of other YouTubers. I like the productions like this. I feel like, you know, they're useful and they're resourceful. Editing is a good business, but I edit everything myself, and it takes me 30 minutes to edit a video. Yeah. And I just, you know, overlay all the pictures.

And just, like I said, it's still mediocre, low level. But if I can do it and make 10 grand a month, a lot of these other people can be doing the same thing. Just be authentic and just be you and just find something that's nobody's talked about. That's what I've done. find stuff that nobody's really talked about. Facts, yeah. I'm kind of going like super out of order here, but let's talk a little bit about your upbringing and everything.

Like as far as your family life and everything, and that kind of led to you making the decision to get into the streets, what was the environment like that you grew up in? What were you exposed to at that time? I grew up in Salary all my life. I lived on the east side, west side most of the time, and this is all Northerners. There were southern gangs there.

I just got fascinated with it. Like, I grew up in a good household. I knew my mom. I knew my dad. I had a stepdad. It was a fight side. Nothing really encouraged me to gang bang other than just. Every time I went outside, I see the homies in my hood,

flamed up, bad lowriders, smoking weed, drinking, pocket full of money. Women just jeweling all over them. I just liked it. I started off small just like fighting crips, fighting my own homies in the backyard. And I just kept liking. I like the violence. I like the whole idea of it. So finally when I just started coming up.

I would just mimic one of my cousins that passed away. Anytime he'd wear like a Nautica hat with a black shirt and some jeans, I'd wear the same thing. And then I would go out there and they knew I was his cousin. So they're like, oh, he's trying to be east side. You're trying to be the homie from the hood? I'm like, yeah. And then throughout time and progress, I would just fight whoever I wanted to fight to show people that I fought. And the homies from the hood noticed it.

And they finally were like, well, you want to get put on? You want to be from the hood? I'm like, hell yeah. Just got encouraged by the culture. That's what it was. I was just influenced by the culture. I didn't grow up in a product of an environment, bull. crap I didn't need nobody to force me into it because I didn't have family I had a great family

I just wanted a gang bang I was just in love with gang bang and so once they jumped me in the hood they dropped me off in salaria indoor swap it was an indoor swabbing on the west side and I just put in work on a south side and got arrested the very next day and was gone for three years I wasn't even my hood for a couple months just for a fight or not beat them up with a baseball bat oh wow and it was a totally random south s outsider that they basically this was like a ritual to sort of like prove how down you were. It's just like you got to just go take off on. My homies from the east side drove me all the way to the west side. And we were already beefing with west siders and oldeners. And they just dropped me off because we knew that there was going to be southerners

at the end or swap me. That's where they go to buy their clothes and their music. And I got lucky that day. I stood there, waited for a few hours. Seeing dude show up. He was taking pictures with his pregnant girlfriend. They were wearing all baby blue and dark blue blue laces. And you know how he had like those posters where had like little smile and outcarulators in the background. Yeah, yeah. And he was taking a picture. and I had a baseball bat, and I just started beating on that dude in front of everybody in the baseball bat. I tried to swing at her because she tried to get in my way.

Beat him up bad, left him there bloody, ran out there, left the bat, ran to my hood. Very next day, I went home, I crashed out, woke up. Cops came and arrested me, and I was like, oh, damn, because there was cameras in there. But I was 13 years old, I didn't think about cameras. Yeah. There was cameras in and they got me.

I went straight to CYA after that for three years. And how did those dudes that had originally put you on? Like, how do they react to it? it like were they looking at this like a bad situation or is this like oh okay he's down i mean it was like your first stripes right yeah it was my i was my i was from my hood the only thing is now that i think about i was like bro i was in my hood for like two three months yeah i got jumped in and two three months later like hey bro you need to go put in some work so i went to y a and i would see homies come through juvie or going to y a and i would see him in y a and they

be like hey well the homies you know got love for you brother can't wait for you to come home and that's all i ever really heard some of them wrote me every now and then like once every other year but I was just I went to Hawaii and was like I got to start gang banging for the homies and I got to represent east side to larry so I was just in y a meeting north thanios from san Jose north anios from like the bay and stuff like that and my whole life just ended up just being gang banging north versus south because I wasn't in my town no more I was incarcerated in juvie and in CYA just putting in work on bulldogs and south side that became my life for like three years not even my hood no more and so your

dad wasn't around to have an opinion on this or was he No, I don't know. Okay. My dad was just a... My dad hated gangs, to be honest with you. Okay, but you had a good relationship with him at one point or not? No, he was never in my life, but I talked to him. I had a stepdad.

I was a Pisa. And he had an opinion on it because he was raising me with my real daddy. I just remember one time he seen me with a red rag, and he was like, bro, you're part of a gang. He was like, stupid. He was like, if you're going to do something, don't make some money. Because my dad pushed cocaine a lot. He pushed a lot of weight. And he's like, if a real man will make...

money, bro. You know, you need a gang to be on it, to be a man or what? You can't stand on your own two feet. He used to lecture me, but he didn't, he wasn't a part of my life to stop me. Right. And nobody was. I just had a mom, a stepdad, but my stepdad didn't intervene. So my mom had two jobs, didn't watch me all the time. So when I got home from school, I went to the streets. That was it. Nobody really tried to stop me. Right. Yeah, I mean, okay, I was listening to a podcast the other day where somebody said that, they asked this, dude, what's the biggest delusion that you find you have a hard time like actually accepting and living your life on the basis of that. And I guess like a lot of studies and tests have been done. And the gist of it is that

like you think that the way that you raise your kid, that if you put your kid in a really good school, that if you, you know, like aside from just taking care of your kid on a basic level, that a lot of the extras that a parent puts into their kid's life really doesn't matter that much. Your kid just kind of is what they are. And you can try to guide him in the right direction, but a lot of that just doesn't really do as much as you want to believe that it does. So when you look at your life, because I think that about myself, like, my parents tried pretty hard. They, like, you know, definitely wanted the best for me to have a normal life and everything. And I was really just attracted to a bunch of crazy shit.

Luckily, it wasn't like gangs and stuff, but at least I, like, you know, wanted to party and wanted to, like, you know, stay out on night, hang out with girls, getting to fights, all this bullshit. And, like, when you think about it, like, does that ring true that, like, your parents really tried to. to give you a certain life and it just didn't matter because you already knew who you were. That is true. My mom, my mom's been a nurse all her life. She raised me right. I just, when I walked out those streets, I gangbang and I loved gang bang. I loved holding the gun in my pocket. I love fighting as soon as I seen somebody wearing blue. My mom did her best. And even today, you can ask him and she'd be like, I don't know what the happen to you. I don't know where you went left because my brother, if you met my brother, man, he's really successful.

You know, he's a very good social influencer. He's had a great love. life, we're from the same mom. He just chose not the gang bang. I chose the gang bang. It's what your kids want to do. That's why I fear from my kid now. So I'm raising my kid in environments if there ain't no gang,

so you don't even have to be reminded of it or be exposed to it. I'm raising my kid on ranches. So he's going to know about cows and he's going to know about horses before he knows about gangs. As a parent, you can try your best, man, but you got to let your kids decide what they want to do with life because I decided mine

and that's how I ended up in 15 years in prison just thinking gang bang it was cool. Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, there's like, I feel like it's like a pretty normal experience for like a young dude. Your body is just coursing with testosterone from a young age. And you want to be involved with some tough shit, you know? You want to like, a lot of young people want to go through a hero's journey. They want to go through some hard shit so that they can come out on the other end of it, a more fully formed dude.

You know, a lot of, like, even more innocent stuff. Like, when I think about being young and how. So many dudes that I was around were just in this, like, race to get tatted up. It's like when I think about it, like, why? Because they felt like if they got tatted up that that separated themselves from being a little boy. Like, oh, now I'm a man. I got tattoos or, or, you know, I f***ing 10 girls. I'm a man now.

Or I beat this guy up. I'm a man now. And it's like, when you think about that, it's just so crazy how, like, you know. And I see that with my kids. She's five. She's in a real rush to be, like, a grownup, even though she doesn't know what the grownup is. But she's always talking about when I'm six, is it going to be like, this or you know when I'm eight like what what am I going to do like all this shit or like you know she's

always asking us like what what age do you start high school like she's just so fascinating with getting older I feel like that's like an incredibly consistent thing with young people and you know with guys especially it's like you know it's not just getting older it's like no I want to be mature I want to get to the point where I've been through a lot of what life has to offer yeah I said that too but now look at me I'm paying all kinds of bills and getting better tax I want to go back to being a kid. But I grew up in the system. So, like, coming home, like, I'm so institutionalized and, like, still confined to myself,

still isolated, whereas, like, I didn't even give myself a chance to grow up. I grew up in prison. I got to prison when I was 18, turning 19. So, like, I'm still learning how to be a man out here, like, the responsibilities of a man, you know, being a provider, being a leadership of my household. That's all a new learning experience because all I ever knew was, like, man, gang bang, beat up a South Sider, putting the work on a. Bulldog if I ever see him and go to World Whites when I get a chance.

That's a messed up way to grow up. And all, as I was young, I used to listen to this song by GUN as a North Daniel CD back in the day. It was called Binta Bound. Dude, who as a 13-year-old kid wants to go to prison? But I would listen to that song, Been Thabound all day by Sir Dino. And I'd be like, damn, I want to go to prison. And it's a trip, right?

Because I was in Hawaii and I was watching this documentary on prison. And it was about Quarkin' Shoe. and I seen all the knives, I seen all the tattoos. It was like back old documentary when they had the weight piles and stabbing videos. And I remember me and a homie from Hollister, Mousie from Hollister, watching there, were like, yeah, I want to go to prison. Let's go put in work with the homies. Yeah.

Things like that. Yeah. That was me. Like, my adulthood idea was going to prison and really putting in work and being this big, notorious gangster. And then when I got there, I'm like, bro, it ain't nothing. What I seen in a documentary is for Disneyland. And, yeah, I try to aspire to be somebody in prison.

prison got done dirty, got done dirty multiple times, and I realized when I got home, I was like, bro, I spent like 13 to 32 in prison, incarcerated and ended up with nothing. Ended up, I didn't know how to change a tire. I didn't know how to still out a resume for a job. I didn't even know how to talk to people. And to this day, five years later, sometimes having a general conversation with people, I have a hard time doing it. I'm like, God damn, like, there ain't nothing else to talk about. You guys are going to talk about trucks and engines and how to build a car. I'm like, I don't know shit about that.

So put me in an awkward position coming home. But yeah, I grew up in the system. Definitely. So, okay, when you first get locked up on your son,

high school or whatever, like, do you just get exposed to mad new shit that you weren't on prior to that? Like, like, uh,

in terms of, you know, hustles, scams, different violent acts, et cetera. Like, like,

how do you develop spending those first couple of years locked up? Oh, my first, well, I already had dead Y.A. Time. So I knew how to do prison time.

I knew how to just sit there and figure, out keep your mind. Wait, okay. So why, why, when you're in high school, like, how long do you actually do? Uh, went 2001 to 2005. Okay. Yeah, that was, uh, I just learned how to fight.

Okay. And that's all you do is fight. And then you get out and, like, how long are you actually on the streets as an adult? They're like, when do you actually get sent to prison? Six months. Oh, I was only out of six months. Okay. I had about, probably slept for, like, four girls, four or five girls.

And then, uh, I wound up going to prison on strong-arm robberies, gang enhance me. I got caught with a bunch of guns. and working with a big homie that was in prison and I went to county for like nine months and then right there I went straight to prison and in county I was just like a breeding ground like preparations for prisons so I was learning how to do leadership

I was learning how to ride I was learning how to educate I was learning education I was seeing people get stabbed so it was all becoming revealing to me like what my life was going to be like going to prison so I got to prison New Corcoran

Sat F I got one to the level 4 180 and man I just seen food being butchered I was like, oh shit, this is prison. My first year there, I just smoked a lot of weed. I was just like, man, I'm stressed out, bro. I got 13 more years of this, bro, eating bowls of noodles and peanut butter and honey buns. I was like, oh, my God, no women either. Oh, it sucks.

Wow. But reality set in real fast because I had it. I was like, hey, bro, you better man up. You're already behind these doors. Seeing a South side of killing native. And then I went to war with the whites like in three months. And I was like, okay, it's serious now. And so was there was the white side of things actually like?

formidable at that time or like I was here about like the white section of a prison is typically like not that impressive. No, they're different. They're too like in their belief system. We went to war with the whites because the administration was saying, you know what? We're not going to sell northerners with northerners and south-siders and what we're going to sell you up or whoever we're going to sell you up because of overpopulation. If there's an empty bunker going in it. So at first we were like, nah, everybody's going to resist. But after a while we're like, Well, resisting is a form of cowardice. So we started telling us like, all right,

we're gonna go about administration's rules. And a northerner and a white sailed up in solid-dastate prison and a northerner choked them out, stabbed them up pretty bad. So it started a statewide war. And it barely got to that prison when I showed up. So when the homie comes up to my door,

he's like, hey, if we were gonna go to war with the whites. And I'm like, all right. And we're on lockdown and the door popped and they put my neighbors out for showers and me out for showers. And I just walked out like, okay, I'm gonna go to shower. And I looked to my right and there's two big old white boys. I was like, holy shit.

These dudes are huge. Really? We just started fighting and me and my celly got beat up on a tier and went to the hole, came back, went to war for a little bit and stopped. It was nothing to prevent. It was just us battling the administration. But we can't tell. So we're just like, hey, there are circumstances.

Just know we got respect for each other, but we got to go to war to set the example that we're not going to sell up with each other because people are going to get hurt. So we had to go to war through California to tell the administration that we're not going to accept. except their policy. So a lot of people got hurt in the process. And so they eventually basically got rid of that policy because they realized it was too dangerous. Yeah, they got rid of it. They stopped it. Now you can sell up with northerners.

They made sure that only northerners and northerners sailed up south and whites. Now lasted for quite some time, but as you can hear now, everybody's with everybody now, active and S&Y is going to get putting them together. Like, they don't even care who gets killed. You guys, we're going to do it our way and you guys are going to have to adjust. Really? So it went off for like maybe 12, 15 years that they would not sell you up with anybody else other than your own kind because of that. I mean, it is kind of crazy because it's like that decision is sort of like the decision that is kind of constantly being made in the real world as well in the sense that like, you know, is it better to have a multicultural society with all these different people in a big melting pot, which there are probably problems that arise from that, you know, if you have like a ton of. different races that are all living in close corners, then like, you know, at some point,

they're going to have issues with each other, et cetera. Or if people want to basically isolate themselves into their own little groups, should society just allow them to do that? Because that's kind of like the experiment that's being run in prison all the time. And it's like, the fact that the dudes who are in prison just decide like, you know, diversity. Like, we just want to be in our little collective because it's safer. But then in the real world, that's not typically how it works, but I guess like the real world is different in a lot of very material ways. People are a lot less dangerous in the real world, so it's like less of a concern. The best way to control people is when you keep them divided and fighting. You got upper class,

middle class, lower class. And then when you get to the lower class, then you got the multiculturalism where it's all the low income poverty people that just turn to gangs and drug selling and then we fight each other and gets rid of the problem for the middle class and upper class that the lower class fight. Same thing in prison. We divided ourselves because the administration had it as divided and then when the administration wanted us to mingle and interact with one another we went to war with each other because we don't know how to get along with each other that's what a lot of gang wars stem from is that we don't know how to get along with each other in prison on the basis that we were divided for years 10 15 years we wouldn't see each other we had

our own yards our own program then you put us together and then you just watched us fight so we had to learn through like 10 20 years of going to war and killing people to learn like okay we can work with each other but everybody just becomes racism in jail like I wouldn't want to sell up with a souther I think that like from a racist standpoint like bro I flew a Mexican I flew some down south I don't want to be part of that yeah you start discriminating even your own people and especially a white would look at a Mexican like I ain't selling love with these beaers and you see a black line I ain't selling up with these crackers then racism develops yeah and that's why people there's so much tension in prison because we don't know how to get along but it's like racism

from purely like survival reasons so It's like very defensible racism because it's like, okay, there's a new Channel 5 video that just came out the other day. And at the end of it, he's shown like a preview of another episode. And it's basically like an all white civilization that these people are trying to set up. It's like basically a bunch of white people who are sick of living around black people and other races and stuff. So they've just taken this section of the woods and they've just like created all these homes and stuff. And this is what they want to do is they want to create their own all white. civilization where they don't have to interact with other cultures at all because, you know,

I'm assuming that some large percentage of these people just like saw some shit on the news and so now they're scared of black people or whatever. But like when you see that from a prison perspective, are you just like, yeah, like if that's how you want to live, if you think that that's safer, go right ahead. Man, in prison, man, people are predators. And the cool thing about it is like everybody in prison develops some form of racism and segregation. Ideally, that's what everybody wants is to be with their own people, but Mexicans slaughter Mexicans all day. Whites kill whites all day. Blacks attack blacks all day. It's never

going to work. I guess the concept is, you know, men are built for war. We're never going to get along, but we're never going to accept each other neither. So the concept is just blown out of proportion. In jail, I just feel like everybody, no matter what, the circumstances in jail don't make you become that. And that's the hard thing to break when you get out because you're so, used to being isolated with your own people, but then you don't trust your own people. And as a Mexican, you'd hate whites for this reason. And when you learn that for years and it's embedded in you, it's a hard cycle to break. It's a hard characteristic to get rid of it, come out and be like, well, I don't want to be

a seldom of the black because I've never been seldomable to black for 10 years. So I don't want to be a neighbor with a black. It's really hard, but you learn to break you once you realize like, hey, bro, this is freedom, bro. This is society, man. They love you, love that neighbor. Nobody's even looking at you like that. Right.

Prison, a whole different mentality. Because, okay, the two polar opposites that come to mind is like Japan. In Japan, they got probably the lowest crime rate you can ever imagine. It's the cleanest, quietest, safest country that I'll probably ever been to. And then on the other side of things, you have like prison, where it's like the amount of societal trusts that they have in Japan is just amazing. Like every store you go into, there's no cameras. Nobody's stealing anything.

It's like completely impossible to even imagine. somebody stealing, never mind. Like, is people fighting on the street would be like the most mind-blowing thing to those people. They just could never imagine it. Then on the other hand, you have prison where it's like, this is literally the most violent, you know,

conniving people imaginable. And it's like, Japan, on the other hand, is like there's so much trust. Prison is zero trust. Everybody's out for themselves. It's just kind of like, you can't like figure out how you can arrange a society. until you know about the characteristics of the people

that are going to be inside that society because if you were to take all of these, if you were to dump out a level four maximum security prison into Japan, Japan would like cease to be Japan pretty quickly. It's like just having like a couple hundred of these guys running rampant in the streets. It's like everybody would stop being so trusting

because all of a sudden there's people running the streets that are like trying to take your shit all the time. They're beating somebody up here and there. And so like everything would just change. change so rapidly. It's kind of crazy. The mentality you're developing prison, man, it's a hard thing to break when you get home. The way you conduct yourself, the way you act, the way you, like, I've been out like five years. I hate sarcasm.

Sarcasm pisses me off. If you talk to me like that, I start feeling like my old way. Like, bro, who are you talking to like that? And then I have to learn like, bro, you got work player. That's a supervisor. He's just joking around. But like, that's why I think going to prison is bad for people because you develop these bad habits. A lot of dudes come out beat their women, cheat on their women.

And like, they're not growing in jail. We're just institutionalized and constantly learning how to become better criminals or we just have this criminality aspect that we can't get rid of because we're so used to it. That's why, like, at first I used to be like, okay, I'm glad for the leniency laws. But now I'm like, no, bro, go do your time like I did. I did the whole goddamn thing. You did wrong, go learn it and change for the better. Because if you come out, there's laws set in place that are going to send your ass right back.

Stay in jail, bro, if you don't want to come out and change, bro. That's what they build them for because I've seen so many people. done so many stories on my YouTube channel where they came out of jail and murdered a cop. Yeah. Or they came out of jail and raped some girl and then killed his girlfriend. It's like going to jail is not helpful at all. That's why they build them. I know.

That's the crazy thing is that like somebody like you when you were, you know, in high school and you first get thrown in these situations, it's like everybody knows that when you're thrown into these boxes with like all these different people that like your odds of becoming a much better, more serious criminal are just like massively inflated. and nobody can think of a better way for us to handle this. Like, I honestly have no idea what it would be. Like, if a 15-year-old kid sticks a gun in somebody's face and tries to rob them, what do you do with them that doesn't also make them a worse criminal by locking them up?

And you've got to lock them up, right? You got to do something. Like, what the fuck else are you going to do when they've committed, like, a very serious crime? So many prison activists look at it like, oh, we can save these people. Man, I've been in prison. There's lifeers in there, but like, I swear I hope that fool don't come home. That fool is going to murder somebody because all he talks about is murder. He got murderers in there bragging.

I've had so many cellies that killed their enemies and just brag about it. I had one cellar who would just hang the picture up of the dead body of the south side of the kill. I'm like, wait really? Yeah, it was like, it was like, it was a south side around like on a slab. And I was like, hey, I remember telling him. I was like, well, I hate waking up to that damn picture because it shows his balls, bro. Like, I don't want to wake up every morning and see that fool's balls and, you know, his wiener on the wall. And he was like, man, he was like proud that he murdered that dude.

And there's like a lot of people in jail that they, the moment of fight starts and somebody's getting stabbed, they get excited. Yeah. I'm like, bro, you don't want these kind of people in society. But that's what I'm saying. Like stricter laws, longer sentences. No kid wants to point a gun at somebody on some stupidity decisions and then they can face the court. I'm like, bro, you get found guilty. It's 50 years.

Because the harsher sins, I think, will turn a lot more people's lives around because I'm like, bro, I don't want to go to jail 50 years. Now, I point a gun at this fool and I just take his wallet. That's seven years. I'll be out when I'm like 31. I'll be cool. I'll kick it with the homies, bust some spreads, have some girls, right?

They don't take it serious no more because the court systems and the legal systems in California don't take it serious. Lock these dudes up long terms? I've seen lifers in there like, man, miserable. Like, all they want to do

is smell freedom again. Yeah. They remind them of that. But I feel like there's a huge difference between a guy who will do something f*** up at 18. Because when you're 18, 17, 17, 16, etc., you just like don't have an ability

to care about the future to comprehend that there is a future, to comprehend how little this beef that you're in right now or whatever matters. And so as a result, you have a ton of people that get locked up while they're in their teenage years and they're doing 20 years.

And then at some point when they're like, you know, 30, it's like they're a completely different person. The version of themselves that killed somebody or whatever at 18 is just a complete distant memory. And, you know, that just seems like really, And that's where I think a lot of the prison activism stuff comes from is just like this understanding like, oh, this people have changed so much. But there's a huge difference between that and like these real top ranking permanent lifelong criminals who just literally are are in love with and obsessed with violence. Like I think to a lot of prison activists, that is just they refuse to accept that.

They refuse to accept that there are people who are so fundamentally f*** up that bringing, allowing them back into society just puts everything. Everybody had too much risk and it's just totally untenable. No, like I said, everybody has personal experiences. But like I said, I was incarcerated for a very long time. I seen the mentality. I was 18 years old, but I knew robbing these liquor stores and robbing the furniture spots. I knew what the consequences were. I knew every time I shot at this fool, he was going to shoot back.

I knew every time that I shot this fool might die. I know the consequences. So you can't sit there and say, hey, man, a lot of these kids just don't know better, too young. That's just from a parental standpoint where they're going to be. They don't want to see the wrong in their kids. They want to see the innocence. So a lot of these kids ain't innocent. They knew the life they chose.

They knew what they were going down. Now it would be a good time to educate them before they make the decision. But once they make the decisions, like, hey, bro, now it's time to grow up since you wanted to act wrong. But going to prison, I've seen, like, I rarely ever heard anybody regret what they did. Really? I rarely. I've never heard not one Sally, but like, man, I wish I never killed that dude. There was, like, maybe one where he just sock somebody at the bar and he killed him because his head hit the concrete.

And he was like, damn, bro, I got drunk that night. Shouldn't even have been there. I should have been at home with my kids. They'll say stuff like that, but most of the people that are in there for murders, especially like all the South Siders. Like, man, they're glad they killed their enemy. So, like, they knew what they were doing. But you don't think that they privately go through it,

or at least have gone through it in terms of the guilt that. I feel like the average person just assumes that you can't kill someone without being wracked with guilt and, like, really having to deal with it. But, like, in prison, it's not the place to admit to that, right? You can't really show weakness. Everybody. I think everybody privately does. I did. I was probably spending nights right there just laying on my butt. I'm like, man, I ain't never going to make love again. I'm never going to see my mom again. I'm never going to eat some homemade tortillas and

fijoles. I'm like, and I'd get emotional about it, but like, you can't show that in prison. That's weakness. You got to get ready to gangbang. So like, you have to just put that to the side. But I think everybody does, but most of the complexes that I've seen, they were like, I'm kind of prison. So what? I kill some food. Now I'm going to kill some other fool. And I'm going to work for the homies. I'm going to work for the big homies and I don't make money. Everybody's just making the best of it. That's why when I came home, I came home, I was I realized, like, the first two years out, I was gang-banging against Northerners.

I didn't change. Nobody's trying to change in prison. From what my personal experiences, nobody was really trying to change. I'm just saying for the people that I was around. We all just wanted to gang-bang and F-off and just, you know, make money and sell dope and slam heroin in our veins.

But when I came home, it took two years of me finally saying, like, hey, do you want to go back to that? If not, because the way you're, the right you're going, bro, gang-bang with these Newlanders and Salarian Vars and Varselye, you're going to go right back to that.

But once my son was born, my switch went off. I was like, bro, I got a little kid to take care of and made all the best decisions of my life to make sure that I got out of California, left the state, moved where I moved, and now I got to hustle on a job and, bro, I'm living life. Yeah, because, I mean, I feel like having kids is supposed to change you. And it's kind of scary when you see people have kids where it blatantly doesn't change them, just in the sense of like, you know, even like, once I had a kid, it was like, I had already like stopped doing drugs and shit, stop drinking, stop like really going out all the time and stuff.

But it definitely made all that shit seem like way less appealing. And, you know, it's kind of crazy when I see somebody like catch like really serious charges for doing something super ignorant right after they have a kid. Like to me, a kid was all I needed to be like, holy shit. Like I don't really care if my life never gets to the next level. I don't really care about being like world famous or super rich or whatever. Like if I can just like, take care of my kid, then I'll be good. Like, that's, like, really, like, the baseline thing that I want to accomplish in life. And everything else, like, on top of that is great. Anything below that, like, where I'm, like, not able to be around my kid or not able to take care of her is, like, worst case possible situation.

So as soon as I reproduced, it just became, like, oh, okay, I have one goal that I need to accomplish. And, but then you see other people and you realize it didn't have that weight to them. And that's kind of... Yeah, it did for me. Yeah. No, every time I get a YouTube check, I put it away. I got my job that pays my, like my son gets whatever he wants.

My son's been to so many places in the world. Everything is from my son. Now I'm thinking about the house. I'm thinking about, you know, generational wealth for him. Gang banging to me is the least of my concern. But sometimes, like, doing my content, I get lost in this world where I was like, eh, man, like, I remember I was doing that kind of stuff. And then I'm constantly thinking about it where I forget, like,

hey, bro, you're watching your son right now. You have your son for the weekend. and get that out of your head. So changing it, I mean, changing from my son was probably the one of the best experiences because he was only four months old when I was still gang banging. And the situation occurred when I was like, bro,

it's, dude, that could have been your son. They could have caught you sleeping with your son. And there was a time where I actually tried to beef with a northern or why he was walking his daughter to school and I caught him sleeping on the north side of ice and I was like, I should just put him work on his school now since he'd been running his mouth. Then I was like, bro, he has his daughter.

And once everything started hitting and my son was born, I'm like, bro that somebody's not going to care that i have my son with me and catch me sleep and do it does he need to pay for my stupidity and my actions so it took a while it took a while to change because there was always been a part of me where i was like man i got done dirty by my people i could have been somebody but when you think about it now i was like who you would have been just some prison gang leader like you were expiring to be what do they get they get noodles every day you got you got 2500 checks you get seven eight grand on youtube what's more important to you so now it's like my son

is my king. I make sure if I'm going to make a dumb decision or I start thinking a certain way, I just look at my son. I'm like, nah, I'm good. I got peace, bro. I got tranquility. I got a home. I got a house and everything. Yeah, that's one of the most fiss-up things over the last few years is just knowing multiple people that got shot up while they were their kid, like in front of their kid. You know, there was a dude from Chicago, THFTP, who like, you know, walking his kid home from school. The kid is like Valentine's Day, which I'll never be able to forget because she's holding like this pink a piece of cardboard or whatever, like a school project. And the fool runs up to him and just lays him down right there.

Like his kid runs away and just like seeing that video, seeing a little Ronnie in Texas, Go Yeo's boy who was just at the car wash and they just pulled up shooting and his kid was in the car seat and she died too. Like, bro, I mean, that's like the hardest thing for, I think, like normal non-gang members to wrap their head around. But at the same time, it's like, in the gang world, being capable of real over-the-top cruelty is a huge part of it. You know, that shit really like as much as it's like nobody's going to sit there and say like, oh, yeah, he gets respect because he killed a little girl.

Being willing to go kill your enemy even when they are with their kid is like in some way like a sign of respect for a lot of these guys to just be like that heartless. And it's hard to accept that that's like the way that they go through life. Yeah, even crazy now is that my circumstances are far worse than before. Back then, I didn't, wasn't known on YouTube. I was just beefing with Northerners from Salarian, Vassel. And, you know, I just had to worry about Northerners catching me slipping in my own hood. Once I moved out and it became this big YouTuber. And I was like, bro, you can't go nowhere in California because everybody knows you guys

renegade me in every gang that I've ever talked about once you did. So my circumstances got even worse. And sometimes I asked myself, is it really worth it? But at the end of the day, it's like the damage has been done. If I was to leave YouTube tomorrow, I'm still a face they're going to remember. That's why I continue to do what I do. I have hard times, hard months, but now my circumstances even worse. Now I really watch what I do and where I place myself in predicaments, the podcasts that I go on,

what neighborhoods I'm staying in, what hotels are my brother. My son ain't going to pay because a lot of these dudes don't like what I have to say. But what I've been having to say and I've been passionate about is like, look, I'm just trying to stop one or two kids from gang banging. That's one or two lives that have been saved That's maybe multiple bodies They would have caught got saved It has a trickling effect Has a domino effect

Where there's a lot of people I've talked to a lot of moms and dads I've been like man I show my kids your videos To show them not to be part of this stuff And they love it They watch your stuff So I know I'm making a difference And that difference I feel like

It's important to me Even though now the target on my back It's like humongous But do you worry that your channel Could have the opposite effect On a kid in the sense of like Making Game Man look cool And romantic

and sexy or whatever because I know like growing up I saw American History X when I was probably like 13. Love that movie. Yeah. And I wasn't personally like motivated to become a white supremacist or anything, but I definitely knew dudes who even at that young age were like really intrigued by this and like thought that it was cool as fucking. I don't think any of them actually became like real deal like white supremacist or anything.

But you know when you're in high school, you kind of like go between belief systems here in there or whatever. I saw a lot of kids who were really intrigued by it and it's like if you actually watch it and it's like got a pretty clear cut message like don't enter into a life of gangs and crime and hatred but a lot of people are able to kind of ignore the end

part of the movie. Also it's often debated now that the end part of the movie doesn't even really make that much sense and almost kind of seems like a American history acts is almost like justifying racist violence. No, the ending has a point. Like once you get yourself way to evolve, do it

you can't pull away from me yeah I don't know I mean like I don't even want to get into it but I've like read stuff about it before that's like okay so why like he finds peace and like realizes racism's bad and then his brother gets killed

by a black guy right after that and like how does that not almost like disprove this new belief that he had taken on like I don't know I forget the exact breakdown of some people have like none of the it comes back around Karma comes back around. You can't escape it.

Just like in my situation, am I romanticizing it? I do understand. You have to battle with that. Like, if I was to talk about like other stuff, nobody's really going to care. So what I've did, if you really listen to my videos, I talk a lot of crap. I put gangs down. I make fun of gangs. I did it into the different aspect as opposed to say, hey, brother, this 18th Street dude caught this dude and it killed them on this blog.

I just don't storyline it. Then I start criticizing it. I'm like this is like a lot of the prison content when I'm talking about the big homies, like I'm putting these dudes down I'm making fun of them I'm calling them this I'm calling them that and I think that's what became more appealing

because they're like man this fool ain't afraid to talk about this gang and he ain't afraid to talk smack about this gang so every time I talk about a gang member I'm like look at this dumb ass fool that did this right here and got 25 years for robbing a dude for a wallet and a Ford Expedition

then I tell a story what he did and at the end I create this constructive criticism yes it might have an adverse effect I think it does and I think that's why this genre is so played out I'm doing it, but I just kind of like I manipulated the circumstances where I was like,

I'm not going to be talking like it's cool. I'm going to talk bad on it for the kids that really catch what I'm putting down. But the rest, you know, I can't help with them like, okay, you talked about my hood. Hell yeah, the homie killed that fool. I'm glad, man, that's what's so. We got respect. We're on Renegame Media's channel. I can't stop what's already going to happen. I'm just reaching out to the kids that could possibly change their minds because when people don't know, there's a bunch of preachers that I talk to. who've got it approved, because I can't go into the juvenile system because of my record. But there's preachers that represent church and outreach programs to teach kids about gangs and

stem away from gangs. They're approved to play my videos in juvenile hall systems. I can't go, but they have. And that's what some of the audience members don't see. There's, you know, police seminars I heard, and I believe it was in Oregon. And the other one was in Utah to have utilized some of my videos when I talked about that area to stop kids from gang banging. So I've done some good. I might be doing a lot more bad by continuously talking about it,

but I'm just paying attention to the good. I mean, I'm just trying to stop kids from gang banging. If kids are going to gang bang and end up like me in jail, then that's your fault. I mean, there's already something in the mind of an 18-year-old kid, which is like, yo, you're 20 years older than me. I don't give a what you have to say, you know? Like, that's just like built into the mind of an 18-year-old hot head.

but then at the same time it's like a dude who's just talking a bunch of positivity who ain't really been through shit then are really not listening to that fool like i feel like at least with you if they really come to understand oh this is a guy who kind of did all the same things that i've been doing the last three years in my life and he feels this way about it that's a lot more likely to have an effect you know like i i wouldn't want to go talk to a 18 year old kid like in that situation. Like I could tell him how good shit could be on the other side, but I can't really tell them about like, you know, from my experience, don't go to prison. I ain't been there. So I don't really, you know, why would you listen to me? There was this one kid. He was from Westover to

Google. I had to did a video about his hood. And I remember him reaching out to me and he was like, yeah, man, I've been watching your videos. You make a lot of sense, bro. I don't want to be a part of this. There's been countless occasions where it's not even a 16 year old kid that's told me that it's been like grown adults like in their 30s. Like, you know what, bro? You're right, bro. Like, What am I still doing? And they'll tell me like, yeah, I'm from the hood. I'm still active. I'm still good at my homies.

But I'm walking away from that. I'm going to stay. How did you do it? And I'm like, I don't know what your circumstances are. Bounce. I bounced. And I ended up in an environment where there's just a number of white people and ranches. And it seems boring, but it seems peaceful to me.

So I've heard adults come at me and say the same thing. So it's like I can't focus too much on the negative aspect of what I'm not doing and what I'm encouraging. I just got to focus on the positivity of what my goal is, what my passion is and hopefully it's making a difference. I don't see it all the time, but a lot of people and a lot of parents be like, man, I show my kids this so they can stay away from me or how brutal it is.

But lately it's became more about, you know, people are just utilizing my channel to tell their stories about their kids that got killed so another kid doesn't get killed and I've been working on that. Like, yes, I'll tell your story. I'll take the time. I'll make the effort.

I'll jot it down. If it's trying to commemorate your child and what happened to your child through these gang violence, so be it. Yeah. That's pretty much wrong. I'm at with my channel right now at this point. Yeah, I mean, if we go back in terms of like 2020, I feel like we kind of saw like the

apex of like gang street culture in both music and YouTube, I kind of feel like it was just everybody was so fascinated about all this gangster shit in Jacksonville and Chicago and all these like, you know, LA gang war videos. We're going super viral and, you know, that's like the era of Crip Mac becoming huge, etc. And then you fast forward to right now, and it's like mad different rappers have basically been accused of telling or cooperated in the shit. And like kind of the fans just seem like pretty comfortable overlooking it if they like their music. And a lot of that gang shit online is not really doing as well as it used to. It kind of feels like in large part the fans have sort of like broken out of this belief that they used to have, which is that the streets were real.

And I think that to a lot of them, they just kind of see that it's bullshit. They see everybody telling. They see, you know, it's just more transparent. There's all these videos about dudes who are leaving this shit. People like you who are just communicating about how the streets and all this gang shit is actually bullshit. It's not a good use of your time. I feel like so many people talking about that has sort of rubbed off on the world in general to the point where I don't think that the next great hip-hop moment is going to be driven necessarily. by street culture.

I feel like the culture in general is kind of ready to move past that in many ways. Like obviously, being tough, being hard is always going to appeal to a big segment of the population and everything. But it just kind of feels like there was like a spell that the world was under for a long time. And it just went away. It's just not working the way it used to. Everybody is a gang banging a rapper now.

Yeah. Everybody is. I mean, prime example. I remember when I first got out, I mean, you had to be a gang member to get. on a bunch of podcasts or get recognized. You had to be gaming on the streets and dissing an enemy to go viral. I was like,

goddamn, that's what it takes. You know, you can't just get rich on your own. So now these kids want to just gangbang where it's like, bro, everybody's a gang member. Everybody's a gangster rapper. Everybody's talking about murdering. Everybody's in the music videos doing this. Now I was like, bro, like nobody pays attention to them.

Now they get very few fused and very few likes. Remember when Swiftie Blue could just be in his car and just smoking a blunt? and his videos will get 200, 300, 400, 500,000 views. Now it's like he doesn't get that. I'm like, at some point, being a gang member was what you needed to do to get somewhere in life. Now everybody is kind of, like, I won't even watch game-related videos. I'm watching two crime.

I'm watching stuff about serial care of Ed Gein and all that. I'm like, gang banging ain't as fascinating and appealing no more as it is. And that's what I've been trying to tell the kids too is like, look, I'm not even a gang member no more. I'm just a regular content creator who's very popular and has been famous and been going viral on Instagram. you could do it without the gangs. Just be you, be authentic, be something different. Yeah. Because gang banging, I got out in 2020.

So all I seen on social media was thugs and killers and everybody from Malay just banged down. I'm like, damn, gang banging. And I wasn't even talking, I wasn't the first one to talk about prison and gang stuff. It was already on the internet. I just joined. I don't know how I became the most hated to do it. But now that I'm seeing it, like nobody's paying attention no more. Well, who can you point to that was really talking about Mexican gang?

life from a really honest perspective before you. I feel like that was kind of like one of your big innovations was just being willing to talk about that side of things, which a lot of people are very scared to comment on. When I got out, you know, you had quite a few channels. You had convicts perspective, homie hangout. You had, you had Gunner, you had dubs. You had, I don't know, 23 and 1 was totally different,

even though he's good. But they were talking about California games before I showed up. I think what made me different is because I was actually a Northern Rider. which nobody has heard of at the time. And I just started talking about Nolan Ryder politics. I was using the internet more like for recruitment because I was going against my own gang leader at the time. And then I just started telling everybody's like,

hey, we'll tell us some prison stories. I was like, okay. But all that information, NF, Mexican Mafia, that was on the internet before I got out. I just, I think I just took it a little step too far by digging all more information and utilizing sources and utilizing YouTube money to help to get more inside information

that made the stories more intriguing. That's how I became popular. Yeah, I know I would step my boundaries, but like I said, nobody did it the way I did it. Some people just kind of like beat around the bush. No, I gave you names. I gave you what it happened.

I've talked about so many prison stabbings where people were like, bro, I was there for that. I was in prison for that. It blew me up. Like I said, it just made my situation a hell of a lot worse. But even then, even knowing now that's who I am on YouTube, like it's getting played out. It's getting watered down.

Like nobody cares them. Like, you can't hear it. a different version of some food getting stabbed and why you got stabbed him. Drugs, his big homies, weird, his big homies an asshole. There's nothing to it to tell these stories. There's nothing more intriguing and fascinating to him.

That's why even me, I'm like, I'm battling my own content. Like, bro, do I really want to talk about this big homie? Like, we already know what he's about, what he did to this kid, how he had these two Southerners or these two northerners stabbing his fool. It's all the same crap.

Yeah. So I'm even battling myself. I'm in competition with myself to see if I can get better because it's already played out. Definitely. I definitely want to talk about how you ended up exiting that world or getting more into the YouTube and stuff. But I want to talk a little bit more about like your actual time in prison and what kind of happened to you throughout that. So how many years in total leading up to 2020 did you actually do?

That was the 13 year bid. Did you end up doing actually 13? No, I did the 15. When I got to the prison, they were giving me like, oh, you had 13 years. You can go home two years early. And then like once I got into the ride with the whites, then I got into a ride. with the blacks in Susanville, I maxed out. And then after that, I got into a ride with Southerners,

and I couldn't catch no more time. So I did 15 years straight. 2012 is when I got stabbed by my own homies, and I got deemed no good. And that's when I went to the S&Y yard, became a Nolar rider, went to war with the Northerners. Okay, so you did seven years as a Northerner, and then eight years where you were in the S&Y yard

where everything was kind of different? Kind of different. It was more gangs, more violence, more no permission. pure anarchy, at least on the main line, but I can't stab you unless somebody says I can. On an S&Y, they're like, I'm a stab,

I'm a stab Adam tomorrow as soon as he goes to chow. Just because I don't like him. You don't have to have a reason. There's just less order. Just less order. And that's what made it more dangerous is to see, because all of us were in there for something,

done dirty, telling, politic the games, got removed, you got green light. I've seen so many south-siders over there. Yeah,

my hood got green lighted so they whack me on the yard. And you got all these personalities where they all still want to be that person again. So all they did was reinvent themselves and recreate themselves and just became ten times harder. Like they don't have to answer to nobody. They don't have gang leadership. I'm just going to stab you and I'm going to create my own gang. So it was harder to operate and maneuver on the S&Y than the active side.

So you, I think like a lot of us believe that there's, you know, there's regular prison. and then there's PC and anybody who goes to PC it's like you should just be ashamed and that you're basically like going into a world where there's going to be all these child molesters and rapists and weird snitches and stuff and it's just like it's going to be peaceful but you're around a lot of creepy people

but you're saying that it actually does not work like that at all that like you get put into this environment and it just becomes another Game of Thrones situation for who's going to be the baddest and the toughest and be able to control the situation the best. Yeah, the term PC was like the 90s. Right, right. And it was just, dude, you rarely see anybody PC.

And if they're a PC, it was a sex offender or Tomo. Then that's why they turned it to S&Y because they're like, well, we need to place these gang members that are getting killed or getting stabbed or debriefing or dropping out. We need to put them in a place. And then the gang started getting rid of the sex offenders putting them on the lower yard. So level three is level four, is S&Ys. It's just all ex-gang members.

that got done dirty or did somebody dirty on the mainland or told and wanted to walk away, it just became violent. Like, you won't see sex offenders on a level three is level fours. And if they do, the cops will let us know. Like, hey, fool, he's a piece of shit. And then he gets blasted. But they can maneuver on the level one, too, is because those inmates are all going home.

They don't want to jeopardize it for this dude as a weirdo. But level three is level four is, when we didn't run into no sex offenders like that. They don't exist. They get stabbed. They get killed on a yard. And I've done countless videos about that. But going to S&Y, it's like, everybody has this gang mentality and this complex.

We're like, bro, we got done dirty by our people. We ain't going to forget who we are. Right. And then recreated these gangs that got even bigger, that got more violent. So to me, like, bro, you got a better chance of actually surviving. I mean, active side than the S&Y. Because in the S&Y, bro, he don't need a reason to kill you. If he just feels like killing it, he's killing you.

At least on the active side, they're going to investigate. They're going to see them. They might make you go on a mission. They might make you pay taxes. I make you do all kinds of crap, but you still have your life and your respect. Nobody's going to give you respect on S&Y. They don't like you or they don't want you around. They want to punk you.

They want your canteen. They want your shoes. They're just going to do it. So to me, it was like, bro, I was on edge for like eight years on S&Y. Plus, I joined the gang. And so I was just beating. I caught more violent cases on the S&Y yard than I did the mainline. And I got into rides with blacks, southerners and whites.

Over there, I was just beating people up, constant DA referrals. It was just horrible. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, I, so, okay, I saw something the other day where, and this is something I find kind of annoying is like, in the media, non-prison people will talk about prison and they will frequently make light of the idea that you're going to get raped in prison as a man. Like, this is very funny to, you know, normal square people or whatever. And, you know, especially they love to say like, oh, if, if you have charges that relate to, you know, any kind of. of violence towards women or a kid or whatever that, oh, you're not going to like what they do to you in prison.

I bring this up just to say, I find this very tacky for people who don't know anything about what prison is like to be like overjoyed making jokes about a guy getting raped in prison solely because of the hypocrisy of the fact that nobody would ever make this joke about a woman, right? Like that's totally inappropriate. And for some reason, people just like to kind of toy with that idea. of like male-on-male sexual violence. But then also, it feels like that is pretty unlikely to occur, right?

Because if you're somebody who's like a child molester and you get locked up, they're not going to put you in a level four yard where these guys are just obviously going to victimize you, right? Yeah, they won't do that, but that's funny, dude. I remember when the first girl I looked over it on the street, she kept like betting it over. And I was like, maybe she just likes doggy style. And then we had a talk and she was like,

no, I thought you were going to put it up my, you know what? Because, you know, you do that in there, right? And I was like, what the point? I'm like, excuse me? I thought you'd be into some zesty shit. Yeah, I'm like, excuse me? I'm like, no, she literally had this conversation in her bed. And she was like, no, everything I watched about jail, you know, guys, you know, do that to other guys.

And you guys are like mess around with each other because you guys got long times. I was like, no. Even the guys who are the guys, I assume that that's not going to necessarily trickle over to how they want to treat a woman, right? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I've seen some dudes fall in love with dudes in jail. I was like, that's gay. You know about Fleece Johnson?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But he's different. He blew my mind. I think he's, I don't think that was California prison because it doesn't happen like that. No. No, there was transgender that eventually showed up on the S&Ys, but before them, you didn't hear about no gang rapes like that. It happens, but rarely, rarely ever happens.

And once the transgenders came to the SNYRs, then it started to happen. And then the S&Y gangs made it a policy. Like if you're raping another, especially a transnoyer. or a dude, like you're considered a rapist. We're gonna look you like any other way that like all these child malicious, we're gonna blast you too to prevent that. Not to protect the transgender, so to speak,

but it was like, bro, you're not gonna be raping people and be a rapist around us. If an inmate jacked off to a female officer, like we were blasting them on the spot. Really? Then I've jumped people before doing that. It happens, bro, but it ain't like what you hear on the media. Like it's just people that have no clue how prison really works.

Wait, but so the trans thing? So you would have, have biological males that I don't know like had fake tits installed or were they just like on hormones so they had like weird voice and like facial figure yeah both um that's got to be bizarre having that walking around while you're on there it was funny the first experience that I seen I was talking to a homeboy from Sacramento we were just chopping it up by some dope and then I'm like cautious who's looking behind me because it's s and why you know I was going to war with two fibers I was kind of shaking,

shaky grounds with the Zapatistas, and I'm like, I'm just looking back, and I just see some dude just walk past me, and he looked like damn near Paris Hilton, so I doubled back, like, what the hell? What was that? And I was like, oh, my God, and little shorts, everything. And I'm like, oh, my God.

But it was in Sad F when I first seen a busload come, and they had won a lawsuit where they were like, you can't discriminate us. We want to be in the regular population. and all they wanted was boyfriends. And then they show up and they go to building, they go to building four, and then a riot kicks off.

And I'm like, so I'm thinking, like, it's us versus some two fibers and all that. I'm like, all right, let's get ready. Come back. They're like, nah, bro, all the transgender just walked to the top tier and just started brawling with each other because they wanted to be separated still. So they separated in all these other different buildings. And the next year, you know, I just see a bunch of these dudes

hugged up with dudes. And I was like, hey, all these fools couldn't wait to turn out to be gay. And that's what happened. And so now they're in a lot of the other different yards, except on the level 4-180s, they're not welcomed on the SNYs. No, level 4-270, they're allowed. But level 4-180s is strictly controlled by the S-N-Y gang

so they don't let them walk the yard no more. Wow. But that's a messed up thing that have to be in the predicament of, like, hey, bro, we're going to green light these transgender. We don't want them on his yard, polluting and all this stuff. And I'm like, you want me to go beat up a transgender? What if he whoops me, bro? Like, I got to live with that, bro.

I gotta live with that. This is a biological male. End of the day. That's a big risk. And if someone won't be like six foot three, I'm like, I'm like, I'm jumping that food. Like,

I ain't jumping that food. But I've actually seen, I've told a story about it on YouTube. I've seen transgender and their boyfriends go to war with S&Y gangs. And then they would come run to us and be like, hey, we need your help. They're deep.

We got to fight the blacks with the transgender. I'm like, bro, I am not joining your war to beat up on no transgender at all. That's your problem. I didn't see myself. Because I didn't want to live with that, bro. Like, because at the end of day, they're still grown men. These were ex-gang members that just, I don't know, got turned out.

Whatever they did. Like, you know, I'm not going to embarrass myself going to war with no transgender, but they're there. And it's a weird thing to be because, like I said, I was in prison before all this, you know, LGBTQ stuff hit and society accepting gays for what they are. And so when, like, I heard about this stuff. And when they showed up on a yard, I was like, ooh,

like, you still look like a dude player. Like, I don't see how you think you. you're a woman and it just got out of control in prison real bad like everybody wanted to be one after that really yeah a lot of people you thought i was on the yard with i thought were like cool ex-gang members just living in life got wives either turning gay or be trying to become one of them like bro all y'all dudes were gay from a gay y'all just didn't know it yet or y'all just been revealing it i've caught regular dudes having sex with their cellies bro and we have to get them off the yard like bro we don't want no gays no nothing look he even started their own gang on a s ns yeah all

gays. Yeah, it got out of control. So I'm like, I'm glad I'm got out of that environment. But I was also glad that I stood into the 180 yards. I never went to the 270s. I have to really deal with all that. The thing I'll never probably stop being fascinated by is just the idea that you could not have sex with a woman for years and years and that then eventually that would just

turn you gay. Because that seems like it's kind of what happens because like it's such a higher rate of homosexuality in. prison for these guys who've been locked up for all those years than it is on the streets. So it's like it definitely seems like it works that way. The same way like people told me that meth will like kind of turn you gay. Like it'll just make you do shit that you would never normally do. I call it queer juice in jail.

Queer juice. I swear, I've seen some wild stuff in jail and then foods get caught and I'm like, oh, those foods were gay in the cell, you know, tweaked out. But no, let's just defeat that idea whatsoever. I did 15 years in prison. I had my peeves. I had my long time of myself and I came home and my perspective. It's just one way.

I love women. I think women are beautiful. I don't like the idea of transgender's replacing women thinking that they can do what a woman can do or be better than the version of a real woman. All that subject is really deep, but it bothers me. Yeah. But nah, bro.

Like, a lot of us, we stay solid. I'm, like, very confident that you lock me up for 10, 15 years and that I could be the most sexually frustrated version of myself imaginable and that I would not turn to the devil's penis. No, bro, they got phones for that, bro. Yeah, right. Phones? I mean, I had hustles where I'd get like

Buttman magazines and just, you know. Wasn't that the name in The Simpsons? That was like, Buttman, wasn't that like Playboy? No, it was Play Dude. I would get like all these like, you know, provocative magazines and I would cut them out and laminate them with tape and I would sell them for like 20 bucks, make some money. Right.

Like there's ways to continuously think, even just a regular smooth magazine, smooth girl magazine. There's ways to continuously remind yourself like you straight as a woman, but some food just they just let it go and I was just like that ain't gonna be me and I came home make sure like that didn't happen strictly women only yeah even out there I came out here and everybody's you know just under I see so much women make fun of men on that aspect I'm like bro what did you guys do to yourselves like women don't even respect this as men no more like they want this they think every dude every homeboy might be undercover with his boys I'm like god

that's a weird thing too is that like girls love to put that on dudes when they break up or whatever Like even just the other day, a blue face broke up with that girl, Hazel. Yeah, Hazel immediately, like, I think she called him gay or something. It's like, you only hung out with him a couple of times. I'm not really going for this. Like, nobody's ever called him gay before. He hung out with you for a week and now you're going to call him gay. Like, I ain't really going for it.

But that's just like an unbelievably common thing. I never really, yeah, I never had that. I never had a girl like call me gay after we broke up. But it's got to be a weird feeling to have that accusation going out. No, if I treat women with respect, I really don't date. no more like I used to. Like, when I first got out, I was a dog. I slept with anything moving as a woman.

Now, got a little bit more famous, a little bit more popular. I learned to be more reserved, hold my stuff to a higher prestige, different levels. Kind of hard a date, though, when you're like the most hated person in the world. You're just like, women research, you know, they do their research. And I have anything to worry about? Like, yeah, you have a lot to worry about. I am who I am and people don't like me. I really don't go out much.

But, like, I'm more traditional. I'm back in a, I'm from the old school days where, like I said, 2005 before I went to prison, I didn't know anything about gay people. So, like, it was always man and woman, traditionally. Yo, like, having self-control when it comes to girls is, like, the craziest thing in the world. It's, like, the hardest thing to pull off. Like, I have a friend, and we met this girl the other day. I've been known her for a long time, but he met her.

And we were talking about her, like, a week later or whatever. And he was like, yeah, she hit me up, but he's like, man, she's too messy. Like, I don't really want to, like, get involved with all that. Like, she's the type. Like, I don't know. She'll air me out. so whatever, like, she's going to, like, be too public about it. And I'm just thinking to my head, like, what you just said is demonstrating a level of

maturity that I really wish I had my whole life. Because the idea of, like, oh, she's too messy or, like, she's, like, into the drama or whatever, like, I'm not going to f***er. I'm like, damn, that would have saved me so many problems in my life. But when it comes to, like, girls, man, that's, like the hardest thing you could ever say no to. No, trust me, it's hard. It's really hard. but it's like I don't know who to trust no more.

Like there's two times in, and Vassalia that two women try to set me up to get smoked. And one of them was promised me. I'm like, I hadn't talked to this girl for like a whole year. And she's all Northang out the game. And I don't know where she's like, hey, my friend, she's over tonight. And she's, I had a year later.

She's mentioning my friend's over tonight. Come right now. We'll give you a threesome. I'm like, all right, I'm looking at the friend. I'm looking at them in the bed. I'm like, I ain't talked to this girl in a year. And I know she kicks it with Northerners. Like, wow, all of a sudden she wanted me to go.

And she kept saying she was adamant about her like, man, show up. When are you going to pull up? That's weird. And I wouldn't message her back. I would just read it and it's closing. Like, I'm not going at all. Being demanding. Yeah, that's got to set off some alarm bells.

This is the only time you're going to be able to hit both of us, I'm like, no, that's weird. But one girl called me from Porterville and she was like, look, man, they know that we're friends on Facebook that asked me to call you and see if we can link up. I'm just then, you know, to be careful because they're going to try to set you up. They wanted to set you up. So that's when I started realizing, like, bro, I can't trust when. And believe it or not, a lot more women from L.A. Reach out to me more than anybody.

Like, hey, whenever you're back in L.A., you don't get me up, stay the weekend. I'm like, no. Not at all the. The resistance is hard because some of these women, especially in L.A. are beautiful. And I'm like, bro, I ain't dying for no Cooter. But, okay, what's the safest way to do it if you did want to do it? Like, if you get a hotel room and she's got to, you know, go through the security apparatus downstairs or whatever, does that not kind of assure you?

or because they can still be waiting outside, they can still post up and just lay on you all day, right? No, I just ain't, it ain't worth the risk to me. As much as I love women and much as I'm straight as hell and much as I missed out on so much of hooking up with women, I'm like, it ain't worth the risk. And I'm not going to put my son's life in jeopardy and my son grow up without a father

because I just wanted to think on my other head. Yeah. But the resistance, it takes a hard role, but then at the end of the day, I just tell myself, like, look, you're going to find the person that you want one day. When that happens, it happens. That's God's plan. in the meantime, don't go be a dog like you used to,

because that's where I got in most of my trouble. I had girls get jumped. I had girls get jumped with me for trying to hook up with me or dating me or see me in public with women. And it's like, I've been through that, I've been through that little phase of just sleeping with multiple women and that shit kind of destroyed me, like within. Like, I felt less of myself.

I felt used. More women than want, they just wanted to mess around and let me spend my money as opposed to dating me. So, like, after a while, I was like, bro, I'm just getting played by all these women, so I have to learn to resist. Yeah, no. That's definitely number one best self-preservation instinct that dude could have is just like be very careful with like who you give your sexual energy to.

And really I feel like being in a long-term relationship, like so many people that I know that go through like bullshit in their private life, I just look at it. And I'm like, man, like you got to get a girlfriend. Like you got to figure something out because it will just save you so much bullshit. Like when I really look back at my like the last couple years before I got in. a relationship, it was like, bro, I was just, every girl I met, like, way too crazy. And I was starting to, like, have success at that point, too. So it just was coming in at a rate that I just, like, was not used to. And it's like, the thing about the fame thing is that, like, girls were really fucking me, like, with their friends just for fun. Like, it was just like, like, they just thought

this was, like, a cool thing to do. And, like, for so much of my life, I had really had to work to get, you know? And then it just started coming in, like, nothing. And, like, I remember one time I had this girlfriend and like she she went out of town for a week and this is probably two twenty thirteen she went on town for a week and then she came back on new years and we took ecstasy together and then I went to the bathroom and she went through my phone and basically she figured out that I had like six or seven girls in the week that she had been gone and like I honestly like the idea that I had the different girl every single night that she was gone I really hadn't even processed it or thought about it and like she was so mad at me

and I felt like she was yelling at a version of myself that I hadn't even like accepted. Like I hadn't really accepted that I was like this sex addicted at that point of my life. And like she's screaming at me and I'm just like kind of feeling like she's yelling at me about somebody else. Like somebody else who did some fucked up shit because I was just like, I don't know, I had like a different version to me that I was like entering into that was just anything that moved. It's funny you mentioned that. I have a little brother who's a content creator who goes by name a kid cane looks totally different boy knows how to dress he's his eyes his hair boy's

is handsome and so you look at me and him you're gonna be like this boy this is the handsome one he got all the handsome jeans this boy's a thug right here and he got famous and when he got famous i've seen so much women that he's hooked up with before he's with the girl he's with and i used to sit there and be like bro i want to be famous one day and you know like this fool i slept like eight girls in one week one time i was like bro this was a mag girls were coming from ala and vegas and different states to hook up with them i was like bro i was like bro i'm sorry i'm That's the goal right there. Then I got there and I was like, I didn't get that same thing.

I don't get that same treatment. I get women every now and then that misses me, but I won't hook up because I'm like, bro, I'm not flying out of state to go see you. If I'm there, then that's a different story. Then once I got the fame, my fame was different from his. He got a lot of followers and they loved him and they slept with him. But my fame was more less like, they liked me for the person that I became. So I've learned to embrace the person that I am instead of just being a sexual dog.

I was like, bro, I'm renegade. I got to conduct myself a certain way. And I think that's helped me develop over the years, my new characteristics and my new approach of life. Like, just be a better man, be a better version of yourself, learn to resist, learn to fight the temptations. Because if I go back to that life where I was just driving around, spending on my money, sleeping with all the women,

I'm going to end up getting smoked. And I got close to it on two different occasions where I'm like, I can't trust it no more. It's crazy that that girl would even have sent you those messages like if she had thought about it for five seconds she would have realized like oh if they kill you then she's going down too i mean like she she didn't process that that's kind of crazy yeah it's true because um she was so adamant that night but i remember talking to this one girl and it was on helica and she got jumped at the bar and i've never been at that bar i've never even been seen her in

person i was talking to it through messaging but because she was a facebook friend of mine they assumed that we had party together. So she went to a bar with her friends and a gang of Northerners just jumped this girl. And she messages me and she's like, hey, did you tell anybody that we talked or like we met or something? I was like, no, I've never met you before. I've talked before.

And then she's showing me her face all beat up. And she's like, yeah, because we're Facebook friends, they made this assumption. And they said that one time they seen me and you at this bar and I got jumped. Like, I'm going to block you. I don't want nothing to do with you. I don't even know who you are.

But because we're a Facebook friend. So to me, seeing that kind of dangerous, that happens, like now I look at every woman like a setup and that kind of sucks because I don't want to push the wrong woman away that's for me because I'm like, bro, she could be involved.

But some of the women I talk to are like heavily involved with people like are famous that are in prison, that are prison gang leaders. And I'm like, damn, I'm playing a daily game, just even talking to these women. So like I'm real leery about that now.

Yeah, totally. Like when I think about like when Tinder came out in 2012, I mean, that's really like how I saw California because it was like every night I'd just be in a different city at a different bar or different club or whatever just hanging out with different chicks because it was just like, I mean, there's just so many different areas that when I like, I'll drive by a sign on the freeway and I'll just be thinking like, I remember going there a couple times. And it was just always like 11 p.m. meeting up at some bar or some shit. But like, yeah, I mean, I didn't have any like sense of danger or anything. Like the last thing I was thinking about was that something could happen to me, you know? Yeah, and you read all about the tender dates and people getting killed. I'm cool. Yeah.

Like, I got my social media apps, but I ain't been on no dating apps or nothing. I'm just kind of like, man, I'm just going to wing it at this point. Which has been the hardest battle other than sobriety. Yeah. Being sober for seven years sucks. Like, I'm like, man, I'm sober. I see everything clear. Life seems boring or slow or stressful.

And I see people drinking, smoking bud. They just relax, calm. Not a F in the world. And here I am sober. Like, damn, Brian, I got no life. And then I stay at home and edit all day where I was like, like I don't even have time to talk to a girl. So now my sex life sucks.

Now my, my sober life sucks. So it kind of eats you up. But, you know, not dating and not having that sexual drive because I've been in the carsteader so long in prison, that's probably been the hardest battle because I'm like, bro, I give up this YouTube all day if I had a woman to come home to. And instead, I've isolated myself because of my fear, because of being scared of the streets,

being scared to go out, being scared of me, people. That I just, like, confined myself in another prison cell at home doing YouTube. that's been my hardest battle. You almost recreated prison in the crib. Now, granted, you have more amenities, and you get to have a relationship with your kid, and you get to enjoy, walk outside, whatever, like all these great things that make it way better than prison,

but you kind of almost, like, recreated the experience for yourself. That's the mother of my kids, that's what she said. She's like, dude, all you really do now is like, you're in prison again. She's all, you don't leave that room. You're stuck in that room. You're editing all day. Yeah, I got all the extracurricular stuff. She's like, you never leave your house on the weekends.

You're just stuck there. As soon as you get home from work, you're stuck there. She's all, that's why your life is so like, because off camera, bro, I got my personal issues. I got my mental health issues. I got my mental health issues. I got, like, the fear issues. I just get caught up in this YouTube world where I'm like,

I don't want to go outside. I don't want to go to the bar. I don't want to meet this girl because of this reason. And I make all these dumb excuses for myself when I'm over here telling people, hey, man, live your life. But here I am, like, just isolated and I feel comfortable with it. And that's the scary part is that I'm comfortable being in that room. for eight hours a day and I go in the other room and shower and then go to the other room and go to bed.

And that's been my biggest, I think that's my biggest downfall why I haven't lived the best version of my life is because I got stuck in that realm again. I don't think you should have any shame about that though because like I for a long time kind of was like living some version of that. Like even when I like kind of really became like, you know, successful and shit. Like I still was just grinding out hours and hours and hours of podcasts. And like I just really try to like never get too separate from that mentality. Granted, it's like much more social. Like the dudes that I know who like really just sit in their room and make videos all day, like sometimes I talk to him and I realize that like to them, what I do is just like

infinitely more enjoyable looking for for them from the outside because like, you know, it can just get kind of dark just making video after video. Like Flacco. Flacco is somebody who, you know, I've seen him get like the craziest. level of success really that I've seen anybody who ever came through no jumper I've seen him make like a hundred grand in a month but that involves him being in his apartment making like three videos a day and just never really doing anything and even like I always bring it up but like when Forrester blew his hand off he was on a date and he just went home like dates over he's going home he's making

a video about it but it's like he knew that that was probably a video that get 300,000 views or some shit so it's like he's out yeah I was in uh I was in Oklahoma state with him oh really He had a crypt tattoo on his chest, and I did a video about it. I gave him that tattoo gun to use it. I was active at the time. He used to work out with me. Really? And so I made the video about him, but I never said nothing bad about him.

But he was in the hole for, I think he beat up one of his enemies. And I was in a hall for trying to stab a South Sider from San Jose. And then me and him were there. Like, he was like, two cages over. He'd bust down with us, but then afterwards he'd talk to the blacks. He'd politic with blacks. And then he was there with me when, like, the Oklahoma, prison had a tornado hit the building.

So I was like maybe eight months in the hole with that dude. We talked a lot. So I was like, I know why he won't acknowledge me now. Oh, really? No, because I'm not part of the gang life no more. Oh, okay. So he's never really said it. It never does nothing, but I gave him my respect.

To be fair, he don't really like talk about anybody for the most part. Like, he don't really, I don't even know if he really watches YouTube that much. Well, he, the way he is on camera is the way he was in prison. Yeah. I say that. West can't say the same thing. But for four extra, I was like, dude, that dude hasn't changed one. bit.

Really? Loves his gang. Wait, so you were locked over West Watson too? And Arizona. Oh my God. How was that? Well, he wasn't who he says he was. He said he was the shot caller, right?

No, he wasn't that because look, when I was in Arizona, I showed up, I was only on my third year in prison. So I didn't have a lot of, I didn't, it was, it's called a rank and file. The northerners is called rank and file. Rankin file means you outrank certain people. So I had status as gang leadership, but I hadn't had rent a prison yet. I was still being molded. So I have a Selly who was from, he was supportive of at the time.

He was actually a big homie. And he was like, look, I'm going to be oversight because you need to build your resume. So you need to take over this prison. Now, it's not, it's not like the ideal leadership like everybody thinks it is. It's you in a prison running 60 inmates at the time. It was northerners. And then you had whites and Southerners in a different pod. All the gang leadership that's in prison are going to communicate

with one another. So I had to communicate with South Siders and I had to communicate with the white leadership. He wasn't the white leadership at that time. And I stood in there from 2008 to 2011 while he was out there getting his buff on. I interacted with South Siders. I interacted with

the whites. He was just a regular inmate. So I was like kind of when I heard about him I was like, I don't remember you out of state, bro. And I was actually gang leadership. Even when I went to Oklahoma and was interacting with South Siders and whites that we programmed together, I was familiar with all the gang leadership there. It's not hard to tell in prison who's gang leadership and who's not.

His name never rang a bell in the while I was out there. Now, maybe if I left in 2011 and he inspired to become somebody big, then I can't speak on that. But his paperwork is online, a conference perspective on what year he was there in Arizona. He put him on blast. And I have the same paperwork where I was in that same facility at that time. And like I said, his name didn't come up because I can honestly speak from my prison experience. My Northennial leadership wasn't nothing like the South Siders and whites because I was,

we were isolated and getting beat up a lot. But I had to interact with these guys and it wasn't him. And sure now it wasn't those South Siders that were that you see famous here. These were convicted felons that were there for long terms. Damn. So you think he's like actually misrepresenting himself or is it possible that he's just two different perspectives? I think with social media, you could be whoever you want to be. I mean, look, look at me. I've talked about my past, but now I'm just known as the biggest dropout with the biggest mouth. But I'm just me. I'm having changed nothing.

I'm just a renegade media who does content, who's very humble. Social media, you can be who you want to be because nobody can really check your credentials. And even if they do make you look bad and you're put on blasts, your paperwork's posted online, like people come to see you as a content creator. So him being successful as he is, yeah, of course I want to be that kind of success. Not his prison status, but, you know, the success that he has is a millionaire. But the amount of like scrutiny that he gets now, with like so many people making videos about him

and trying to disprove every part of his life and people showing up to his gym and all this shit is kind of like, you see what comes with, especially in this day and age, of like trying to like create this persona around yourself, that if you try to like really be this like viral character,

the people are just going to line up to tear you down. It's going to back up. They do it to me before. I'm pretty sure they're going to do it to me because of this interview. But before that, they always done it to me. But then there's just like,

I've been myself this whole time. I was a gang leader who got beat up by his homies, who got stabbed on a tear, who joined a dropout gang to go against his own gang. Then my own gang went against me. I've just stuck by that reputation. Now a lot of people don't even see me as a dropout. They just see me as 5-9J. He's a renegade media. He just creates content.

But for the gang world, of course, I'm always going to be under scrutiny. For him, I think it backfired, but it hasn't taken nothing from him. I don't know if he's losing all his wealth and all that. But, you know, some people don't care of, like, if he lied or if he fabricated or he added extras to him, people care to like, man, this dude's a crazy personality. And that's what I'm saying. When it comes to social media, you could be anybody. But a lot of people would choose to be somebody other than themselves. And I think that's when it backfired the most. For sure. Just to go back to the other thing, were you surprised that for extra ended up blowing up and being viral and having all these crazy moments online and stuff? No. No. Like, that dude is reckless as hell, bro. Like, who?

holds a, I'm not holding no damn M-80 M-100 in my hand. I ain't doing nothing that silly to jeopardize myself. But that's for his music, off the back, you know, that he did viral. You know, you got to give credit what credits do. Whatever he did, it worked. Dude, I'd watch his videos when he was on no jumper. And I'd be like, bro, this boy murdered it with 100,000 views and just, just talking, you know, reckless, talking nonsense.

Yeah. I give the man his credit, man. He is who he is. And like I said, but I knew him in prison. He's the same version, bro. That man hasn't changed. So he's actually being his authentic self to me. Nah, facts.

So, okay, what, like, okay, describe, oh, wait, you said you were seven years sober? Seven years sober, 2000. So you got out 2020, but you got sober in 2018 or so? 2018. So basically, like, you were doing, what were you primarily doing meth? Heroin. Heroin. The whole time you were locked up.

And was that something you were doing on the streets, too? Or it just started once you got in there? On the streets, I was doing, like, weed and meth. And then once you start seeing how people act in prison, like, it's like, you're like, I didn't know. I hate it that drug. I was like, bro, all these fools want to do is just jack off, like 10 hours a day, bro, just ripping their shit.

On meth, it's like that. Dude, it's all you do is get horny in jail. And I've seen cellies mess with their cellies because they were horny. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. So I had a cellie from San Jose because I always thought heroin was a South Sider drug because I'd always see, when I was active, I see South Soutters, nod and off and slamming a needle. Bro, you said in one of the interviews, I was like,

sitting next to my girl listening to all my headphones and you just said yeah I walk in and I see four south siders sitting around a table and they're all passing around a needle like all shooting up with the same needle and I'm just like I like I had to tell her she's like you don't got to me shit like that like it's just like the grossest mental image of passing a needle around like a backwood yeah because I just heard you say and I told her and she's just like you don't got to tell me that that's disgusting like what the fuck before you get all prejudgmental I did the same thing The heroin, dude, like, it was bad. What's the logic?

It's just like the needle. It's not actually that dirty? No, there ain't no logic to it. I was just wondering. I'm like, my whole life, I thought, like, you should never use the same needle as somebody else. And then I heard you say that. I'm like, is it that bad?

I guess maybe it's not that bad. No, bro, it's just, it's a rare thing to get a hold of, and that's the best way to get high off heroin. Yeah. You can snort it. It's cool. But when you hit that vein and it rushes you, like, instantly. Instantaneously.

It's changing. I've seen it in so many movies. and songs and shit over the years that I feel like I know what it's like. Like I've talked to so many people who talk about it. I'm glad I haven't done it. I'm not too experienced it, bro. Like heroin was like a kiss from heaven. Especially like when you're still slamming in and it's still going in and you're already getting high.

You're just kind of like, it's a crazy adrenaline rush. But I had a homie from San Jose because like I said, I thought heroin was a Southside drug. I was like, man, these Southsiders are dirty fools. Like I looked at myself as superior over South Siders back then. So he brings it to me and he's like, bro, you should try. So the first experience was crap. I was throwing up.

I was damn it near crying. I couldn't, my stomach was hurting. But then after the second time I did it, heroin became my drug. And I did that for eight whole years straight. Anytime there was heroin on the yard, I was nodding off. And it was hard to kick. But I was like, I'm coming home now, bro. Like, I got two years to the pad, bro.

I didn't think I was ever coming home. Would you go long periods without being able to get it ever? Or it was it pretty consistent. It was consistent. The ones that bring it in the most are South Siders and Ex-Southis S&Y, they had all the plugs. So I had a homeboy from Hayward at the time. He brought it in.

He was bringing in that gas, that feton all stuff when they first hit. And people were just like, oh, Dean and wanting that drug, they were like, bro, where's that at? Bro, where's that at, bro? Tell your homie to hook it up. I'm like, y'all want to die? Like, I want the regular black. I don't want this cut stuff. South Sides brought it in the most.

Maybe I'll go like a weekend or two without it. But there's too much money to be made on those yards for you not to bring in drugs. So the drugs were there on a consistent. And how much money were you? making like to be able to afford that because it's it's pretty expensive in there right well when I was buying it it's like a hundred dollars of paper okay a hundred bucks to give me through the weekend okay a couple hundred dollars but when I started bringing it in before I got busted you know I can make you can make about like five to seven grand off just a zip of heroin holy shit and I did it for like

eight eight months but I was doing it through a teacher and I got busted me my cellie and the teacher got busted and I went to the hole for a little bit and that's when I was like I that's when I hurt the worst because I imagine doing like five grams of heroin a week and your whole pipeline gets took I was sick I was skinny I was felt like I was dying every day do you know what kind of charges the teacher got hit with uh introducing contraband to the facility yeah and my me and my celly they got us under conspiracy for eight months but they only found me with cell phones they didn't find the drugs on us oh okay so they got us for the cell phones they got him for conspiracy to introduce prison contraband which is like three years probation but they knew we were bringing in

all kinds of heroin and meth, but I was, we were just getting so high that when they busted us, like, we didn't have no drugs. We were, when they busted us, we were waiting for that following Tuesday to get more dope in, so we had no drugs, but they caught me with like two cell phones, two touch screens. Yeah. And then we went to the hole, and then they kicked me off that yard because of that. Wow, that's crazy. Five grams a week, I was just slamming in my veins, just didn't eat, drink Kool-Aid all day and

just slam dope. Damn, so you were like super rail thin and shit? You couldn't eat? I remember, I remember one of us, some inmate walked up and he wanted some dope and he was like, hey, bro, you look like a Simpson character, bro. You're having a yellow, bro. Like, you'd be hydrated or something. I was like, I was like, I don't feel like it.

And I just kept looking at myself that day. I was like, am I yellow, bro? But then I looked at my arms. I had like 13 holes over here, five holes over here, holes in my hands, holes in my neck from hitting my vein. Like, it was a bad time. And there's like no serious effort by the CEOs to, like, eliminate the heroin that's being brought in or anything. It's just kind of, they just accept it. Could they if they wanted to, or is it?

No, they can, but they wait. They play this waiting game. They want to see you get busted with like big stuff. They don't want to see you busted with like, oh, I'll just say here a little ground. They don't want to do paperwork for that. Right. So the cops usually just tell like the investigative unit, like,

hey, we think these fools are bringing it in. There's a lot of traffic at a cell. And then they'll wait like months. And then they'll bust you with like, you're bringing in like two or three zips. And then those are the big cases for them. Those are the big wins. But there's been times where I've been nodded,

off, have an empty spoon right there, and the C.O.'s like, hey, man, put the curtain up. And I put the curtain up and I just nod off. Like, they know we're high. They just don't want to do paperwork. So they don't want you. As long as you're not fighting and you're in a cell and the door ain't opening, they don't care what the hell you're doing yourself. So I would just leave the needle on my locker. I leave a spoon with a cotton right there full of dope. So when I wake up, I can hit another shot. They just walk right past you. As long as you're there in a cell and you're accounted for it, they don't really care. The COs in California do not care about what we do.

But have you seen that change throughout your life? Because I heard you talking in one interview about how basically like you, you saw it kind of go from a world in which the CEOs took everything super serious and they were trying to bust you for everything and they were beating the shit up, people, et cetera, to the point where it's now it's different where they just kind of and you haven't been locked up for like 13 years or whatever, but you're super in touch with all these people who are. Like, what do you think that change is that they just don't care?

about being you know aggressive and in you know prosecuting every last crime and sure the CEOs are involving it I feel like the CEOs and you can learn a lot from Hector Bravo's channel because he was an ex correction officer a lot of the CEOs they just they became just like the inmates like violence entertains them not all of them but a lot of them they don't care about the drugs they know it's going by they some of them can make some money over there was a cop in a Tachapie he'd bring in phones but when he wanted to when he felt like it was safe so We just wait. We would wait like three or four months and he would just show up and be like, hey, man, here, give me these numbers.

And then we get them the numbers. And then he wouldn't even tell us when we're getting the phones. He would just sit there and be like, all right, I got the money. I'll let you know. And it'd be like another couple more weeks and we're over here like, man, I'm going to stab this cop, bro. That was three grand. And then the cop would just drop it off right there. And they'll find ways to make money off it, get their issue and just walk away. I think the cop just stopped caring because they can't stop us. Yeah. If there's a will, there's a way in general.

We'll figure out a way. Now they're using drones dropping it off. People are bringing in like Tennessee whiskey in their patrols, patrols like bottle service. Yeah, dude, you can get, now you can get a cell phone, get caught with it and have a cell phone by that afternoon again. Wow.

It's that easy because there's so much money to be made. The cops can't stop it no more. So now that it's just like, we're just here to do our job. Y'all want to kill each other. Y'all want to die off these drugs. Go right in my head. We're going to go home at the end of the day.

They just stopped caring after like 2015. Really? And there's, yeah, I mean, you know what that reminds me of us up? You hear a lot of people say that like, like, I've heard like high school teachers say this, that like nowadays, it's like you can't even like correct the behavior of a young kid because their brains are so fraud by social media and TikTok and shit that they just don't care about anything. So if you threaten them with punishment or whatever, they're just kind of like whatever. You give them detention or whatever. They're just not going. They're just like they just don't give a fuck like it's just they've kind of like given up.

They realize how pointless everything is. And it feels like in some way that's like the same transformation that some of these CEOs. go through. It is. A lot of the cops, they don't care if we stab each other. They don't care if we're hot. They don't care about none of that.

Yeah. I think they're just so used to working in the prison systems. And now with these big homies walk in the yard, they're like even more fear because this big homie can say kill a cop and these guys got to kill a cop. So now they, there's been C. I talk to that live in constant fear.

Like, bro, I don't even want to go to work because I'm afraid of what these gang members are going to do to me. They're just there to do their job. Everything in the system got watered down where prison society pretty much runs everything. Cops don't even care. no more. That's so crazy. Yeah, but I'm glad I'm out because I'm free. Now I got to worry about that.

I just tell the stories on YouTube, make my money and I go to bed in my own bed, wake up and eat my own food. I ain't got worried about my bunkies stabbing me or strangling me with a stinging cord. Like those days are gone for me. So let's go over like what had to happen in order for you to kind of become separate from the Nortangas. Like you were basically like you were selling drugs and not kicking up to the bosses for a period of time? Yeah, what happened was like when I went out of state with Webb Watson and them. Production and revenue is part of the NFs protocol for us. We have to make them money because they were in the shoes.

So we had to send them money. And I had like a connection, but I didn't have a connection. My connection was like, wait, let me see who's going to take over this prison, whose jurisdiction it is. So while I was waiting, I'm like, I'm going to make money. And I made a lot of money in Arizona and Oklahoma. And my big homie that I was working for, winds up getting snatched up by the feds so now i lost communication with california he was the ones

talking to his brothers to get who's going to take control over it so for that period of time i'm like well my big homies busted somebody will reach out to me well that's like a year and a half of no communication no reporting they don't know what i'm doing but they keep hearing that like oh bro these northerners are making money they got cell phones they're doing all kinds of stuff so when i got put under investigation they're like where's all this money at i'm like it's in Arizona and Oklahoma they got a bank over there I didn't send you guys no money because

who was I supposed to send it to so they put me on their investigation for a very long time and after a while I just started getting like I was already in the prison system like six seven years my ranking file that I was telling you about it got big my resume got big

to where I got like big head everywhere I was like but you can't tell me shit like I'm running so I come back to a corkraine new corkron and I'm running the yard with my celly so I started feeling like I got arrogant And I was like, I'm North Daniel leadership, but like, I ain't got to answer to you. I just got to report you and let you know what I'm doing.

Just because like in certain situations in prison, you could be so isolated from everybody else that it just, you almost forget about the bigger structure that you're expected to kick up to. I know what I did. But at the same time, like, we were having too much fun out there in Arizona and Oklahoma. We were playing PlayStation. We're drinking real liquor. We're having sex with all the staff. We're having sex with the librarian women.

We're running trains on some of the COs out there. I just got lost in this round, but I was doing my job making money, but the money was for everybody in that facility. We were all buying these phones. We're all making sure homies had canteen, homies had clothes, homies had this. And the whole time I got my big homie in Corkin's shoe broke as hell talking about, hey, where's my money at? And I'm like, bro, I didn't even know I had a report to you. So when I got back to Cali, I started answering to all of it. I'm under investigation for a very long time.

And the questions kept being the same where I'm like, you know what? Forget your questions, bro. You got a problem with it. Do something about it, bro, because right now we're going to world with South Siders. I need to protect my people. I need to make sure that these Soutters don't butcher us because there's like only 15 of us and there's like 200 of them. My concerns are totally different. For me, ignoring them and not answering investigation is when I got charged for freelancing and going rogue.

And those are the two cardinal sins that you can do against the NF and as Northennial leadership that can get you a kill. So when the decision came, they got out my Selly and Macelli blasted me in the cell. And it was because I stopped reporting and I stopped answering her questions. Breakdown blasted for the people out there. Oh, like you're getting stabbed. Yeah, but like you're around him all the time. Is he just acting cool with you for? He was smooth.

And then all of a sudden, one minute just boom, he just unloads. I was writing a letter at that time. And he, because we both got letters the same day. The only thing is he got a letter from the back saying, get rid of your celly. I got a letter from some X that I've been wanting to talk to forever. left me hanging. So I'm like in the zone, like in love again. Like, yeah, man, I got a girl on the team now. I'm going to get the bundle. I'm going to get drugs. I'm going to get cell phones. And then he's like, hey, bro, like administration knows that me and you are running the yard.

I think it's best if we get rid of our weapons and our paperwork. And I'm like, you're right. So like I said, I wasn't thinking that he's plotting on me because me and this four are going to war with other group segments. I fish my weapon down. I fish my paperwork down. I turn around. I'm like, all right, let me get your stuff. And I just see it with a bangor out. He's like, hey, fool, you got to go, bro? And I'm like, why? So we started talking about it. I'm like, bro, you seriously?

Like, that's not your brotherhood. I'm your brother. Like, we just answer to them, bro. They have their own problems, well. Like, you're my brother out here. You've seen what I've been doing for the people. You know my leadership. Why are you taking his side?

He was like, bro, better you than me. And he swung and busted my head open. He cut my lips open. I got scars across my fingers. I got a stab wound that goes up here. I got punctual wounds right here and my ribs. And we fought. And we fought like as long as we could

until they came for showers and we were like, oh shit, we're in the shower. So I'm trying to get rid of the weapon. I flush the weapons. Wait, so how long you think you fought for? Maybe like a good four minutes. Oh, okay. He was a fat boy. He was a big boy, so he went it real easy.

So I'm bleeding everywhere. And when it comes to getting stabbed being fat, it's probably a good thing, right? Well, I wasn't fat. I was skinny. Oh, yeah. But he was fat. Oh, so you weren't able to stab him because you got rid of your weapon, right? Yeah.

So he had the knife and I got rid of the knife. I flushed it and I'm like, help me out, I'll clean the blood. So I'm cleaning the blood on the floor, but my head's, my face is leaking, and my teeth are through my lips. And I'm like, so I'm trying to hide it, but the cops see it, cuff me up, take me to the hole for investigation. I talked to the homies in the back, and the homies are like, bro, they're going to get you, bro. Like, you're already deemed no good. I'm like, nah, you're crazy, bro. Like, I couldn't accept it in my head that I was deemed no good.

So when I went back, I'm like, all right, I'm going to plead my case. I'm going to finally answer their questions and we'll see what happens. But as soon as I opened up the door, my sully rushed me on a tear and he beat the hell out of me on his tier. So after I getting removed two times in the same facility is when the administration was like, all right, we're going to put you on an S&Y yard. You're deemed a program failure. You're deemed by your own people.

They already knew. So that's when I gave up, I was like, ah, my people don't want me. They don't need me. So all I did was get deemed no good for kind of doing my job, but becoming arrogant to say like, you know what? Forget my big homies, bro. I got better things to worry about. And so, like, when people call you a dropout, you didn't have a choice.

I mean, you could have, like, done different shit in the beginning, I guess, but like, what were you really going to do? Like, it was kind of forced upon you. And the only thing you could have done is what? Just, like, be a total crudder and just, like, try to pry your way back in a good standing. I've been trying to educate a lot of the social media about that. Like, there's certain dropouts. There's people that got stabbed that couldn't go back. There's people that got deemed no good and greenlighting couldn't go back.

There's people that that did walk away and snitch. There's people that went to the T-HU and debriefed and told on the whole organization. There's different versions of a dropout. The term dropout is for the big organizations. Me, I just got deemed no good and got sent. In Norteno politics, they don't even call me a dropout. They call me an NGN, which is a no-good Northania. So all that's telling the Nortennial population is that this fool used to be a big homie.

He knows how we operate. He's an immediate threat. A dropout is like an NF or a Mexican mafia or an AB that tolled on the whole organization. Right. But since a lot of people on social media don't know that, they just look at it like, well, you left the gang so you're a drop on you, toll. They're just used to what they learn. And I think people assume that you must have told or cooperated at some point, right? Because that's typically how someone would leave a gang, but it wasn't like that for you.

No, it's not like that for a lot of people. The only people that tell and the only people that do good at talent are the people that actually were validated members because they have the most information to provide to other people. A dude that got stabbed on the yard Because he had a drug debt Doesn't know stuff about politics He just knows who probably runs this building But he don't know what the big homies are doing He doesn't know how the organized crime operates

He just got deemed no good So they don't want his information They want dudes that are validated That were a part of the organization Who used to work for these members I got stabbed twice And back then the policy and the DOM Was you know you couldn't put these individuals

Back on the yard If they're considered threats Because lawsuits If they would have killed me because they kept putting me back. My family could have sued them. So instead they were like, we'll go to SNY. And I didn't fight it.

I was like, I'll go. And I just went. Once I went to the ESNY, I was like, bro, my life is over. This sucks. And it was a weird phase to go through. Yeah. So you just hated it off rip? It was just like.

Yeah, because I lived my whole life gang banging. Like, who wants to be deemed like that? Who wants to be viewed like that? I mean, you don't know how many women out here in society look at me. Like, if I even try to flirt with them, like, now you're a drop off for I miss. It's like, I'm just like scum of the earth. See, we got to change the type of women that you spend time around. Most women I don't know, would not even know what that is.

Every single thing you told me today would be totally new to them. Like, you got to just because you got to understand, like, if you're hanging out with, like, normal ass white women and shit, they're just going to think that you're like a guy with, like, a sketchy pass. It's like fascinating, intriguing. I'm not going to be like, oh, he's a dropout. Of course he's a dropout. If you had to get out of that life, you're going to be around me. I don't know.

No, this was like when I first got out, the women that I was. talking to now like I hold myself to a higher expectation but yeah going over there dropping out i come out here to society that's all they know that's all they assume so i've been educating them throughout the years but that's how i got deemed no good by my people and truth the truth is for a long time i didn't accept it i denied it and i try to say it was their fault but i'm 38 now i accept that look bro you were trying to become somebody you got arrogant you violated the rules even though you didn't think you were and they accused you of stealing thousands of thousands of dollars and truth the matter is like i didn't steal it i just left it there because i didn't know where it was

going but it's not i didn't go over there and throwing everybody under the bus like well this homeboy has and his wife's holding the bank money i didn't do that i was like nah bro i ran the yard yeah i f***ed up what are we going to do about it and they just kept wanting they kept asking me where's the money at where's the money and i was like bro i'm so you guys care about like y'all didn't care about when the homie got brain dead out there. I won't win all the four homies that caught life sentences for stabbing out Southsider and slamming a phone on his head. Y'all even care about that?

Do y'all even know the homie's name from Richmond? I got his whole face split open, like his jaw was open from these Southsiders. The same pod that Wes Watson was in, the South Siders and us went to war. Like, they weren't asking those kind of questions. So after a while, I was like, man, I ain't answering you guys questions, but that's what shot me in the foot in the long run is just me being arrogant. Yeah, because I mean, that's got to be the hard thing about being in a gang. is that, like, at a certain point,

you just are starting to realize that you are probably smarter and more with it and, like, a better leader than the actual leaders. But you're over here and know you need to be basically like a foot soldier and a servant to dudes who, if you're out on the streets, you'd be looking at it as just like a random. Like, why am I operating under this guy? Like, I should be telling this guy what to do. Same fools that be gang leaders in prisons are,

The ones that come home, homeless are strung out on drugs. Yeah. And that's the truth that the matter is. And that's what I'm trying to reveal with my channel. I was like, bro, you guys are idolizing men who are incapable of doing anything for themselves. And yet you guys take orders and influence cities like Los Angeles and Northern California. You guys, these men influence cities that are just broke and desperate men. And that's what I've been trying to do with my YouTube channel that's probably made me the most hated.

But like I think I'm doing good because I've actually lived a lifestyle. I can actually talk from my personal experience. Like, bro, you're idolizing men that are no good themselves. It's just to you guys, they're active. That makes them highly decorated. That makes some, you know, idols. Bro, these are grown men that threw their lives away that are in prison and are never coming home. That is not the type of path you really want to follow.

That's what I've been doing in my channel. Yeah, I think that's like the most important message that you're kind of putting out there. It's like, you know, the same way, like I remember like forever ago in like the 1900s. or some shit like you know like over a hundred years ago that like some investigative journalist like basically like uh infiltrated the clan and like the people had always thought of the klu Klox clan as this like super you know powerful cool mysterious organization and then this guy infiltrates it and basically just like reports back to the public about all the goofy ass nicknames and all the like lame as shit that they were doing and like over the course of a couple years

the Ku Klux Klan went from like this extremely respected feared organization to like a joke in the eyes of a lot of people and like, you know, I feel like the average person now looks at the KKK is just like some weirdo shit, you know? And it's like that's what like enough sunlight can do to a organization as time goes by. You know, like all you really need to do a lot of times is just reveal what's really going on. And that would be enough for people to stop seeing it as this cool, powerful force. And pretty much that's what's been my agenda. Because if you think about it, if it wasn't for me, a lot of people just look at it like, oh, the Mexican Mafias. Like all these other documentaries, all these Mexican Mafia, he ran Pecomaima, he ran Pomona, he ran San Diego. I'm like, no, let me show you a different version how they hang out with sex offenders or how some of them have ours on their jackets or some of them in there have raped men or some of them in there have killed kids. And all of them in there are just strung out on dope in a cell. Like, this is the version Yonnie to see instead of like, oh, this man ran. three counties and had like four drive-by shootings and like nine kids died at the hands of this man's

blessings i'm like no bro we're gonna if you're gonna see that version you're gonna see this version and that's why i've gotten so good at what i got but it's crazy though people call me a dropout so much but yet how do i got active information if i've been out of the prison five years and i've been considered a dropout since 2012 it's active gang members providing me this information because they're tired of seeing it they're tired of hearing it and they're tired of being involved in it so what do they do they do they utilize somebody like me that ain't afraid to talk about it and just hey this is what's going on in the inside and i've showed casitas i've showed legal casinos i've showed so much to the public to tell everybody like all these dudes want is drugs and money and your kids are getting killed for it yeah so

maybe you can help me out by teaching these kids what's really going on and i think that's why my success has been where it's been do you think that you would have ended up leaving the gang life if it hadn't kind of been forced upon you you know it's crazy that's like the main question everybody always asked me and already says and I'm like I've been truthful with everybody like look if my circumstances wouldn't have changed I probably would have been this gang leader that have been in prison that other people would have been making you too is it about my life was dedicated to the nathanial politics I wanted to be the big homie all my life but it didn't happen and things worked out this way for a reason now I am that same leader just in a different

standpoint now and what a much more powerful voice but it's true to be told like my whole life was dedicated to northenial politics i still got the bonds in the format memorized in my head i still know the whole nathanial history i can break it all down like it's fresh like it was yesterday it's because i spent most of my life being that so if i didn't get removed i'd be doing life in prison and i'd be in cork and i'd be running these yards it's crazy because in the real world if you were like a who worked at No Jumper, like a podcast around No Jumper, and then you just decide like Adam's a you start your own no jumper. We've seen this happen a million times. This is normal. Like, you know, if you work at Google and you don't like Google, if I can go start your own software

company or whatever. And the difference in like the gang shit is just that like it's the same reason why you can't really like start your own country because America has a military. So it's like if you decide that you want to start your own country and have your own laws, well, eventually you're going to have to deal with the police of the military and shit like that. It's just like, because I almost feel like you, you feel like you're more indicative of like

what the cause that you joined with when you were a kid was really supposed to be about. They're like, you know, that you don't say it really because it's like kind of like too much to put this narrative out there. But you feel like what you've done with your life is like actually, like you're the real,

Nortena. It's just great. I was know you're, going to put it in those terms. Look, I put it like this, right? In the Norteño format, there's a phrase that says advancement demands change. If you look at the 30 years of Nortenio history, all they've done is went to war with Southsiders, and once that stop, on the big homies hit the yard, they started killing each other. So all you hear is Norteno's killing Norteno. So you want these guys to identify themselves to an ideology and a cause that was specifically

descriptive to advance the people for the betterment of the people. You'll always see that term in Northenio education betterment. How have you better the people besides mass incarceration and grave sites? They haven't. So to me, it's like, if I'm educated in Noreno, I'm like, look, look what your people are doing. All your homies are getting busted. You buried like three homies this year. Your homies in prison are just using you and punking you for your canteen and stabbing you

and killing you on a yard. Where is your best interest at that they talked about that encourage us to be Nortenios? When I learned education when I was younger, I was like, okay, we're going to better our people. How? we're not getting our people jobs we're not getting our people successful we're not getting them through vocational schools we're not raising our kids in good environments

we're just it's a recycle of failure so now what is really a Northenio you're not how can you call yourself a Northenio in today's generation when you don't even know what your purpose of your identity really was what's the better to people no you kill your own people so you're an embarrassment to your own culture just like South Soutters are an embarrassment to theirs

you don't do nothing for your people besides slaughter of them and that's the hypocrisy that I've been pointing out If you really wanted good for your people, you would keep them out of jail. They weren't supposed to be out here. Because truthfully, Nortezans weren't supposed to come out here and start neighborhoods. It was a Norteno identity was meant for the prison to structure it and to protect the people and come home. Nortezios came and made neighborhoods, made gangs, then got into organized crime, started killing people, wearing red rags.

And it all became detrimental to the Northern Chicano idea. That's why I pointed out, like, you guys were supposed to advance the people. But in 30 years, you guys see no advancements other than you guys have not. Nathaniel rappers from every city. But okay, like, I feel like their argument would be that they had to basically like take over neighborhoods and define themselves that way because if they didn't, then all these neighborhoods are going to become South Sider neighborhoods, right? It would become South Sider neighborhoods.

That was the war that they were fighting in the prison system. These big homies took it to the streets. But you don't own that neighborhood. You might own that business. You can own that, you know, auto body shop. You can own this podcast. You can own these houses and have really. the state have apartments for our people you don't have none of that all you have is a street name and a

gang graffiti written all over and saying this is my hood and i'm going to kill for it but that hood's going to be there when you die and that who's going to be there when you go to jail that's property of the city that's property of the state you don't really own that but you could have been owning businesses you could have been owning these rehab centers to get your people off drugs but none of them done none of that. Like I said, none, they have not advanced their people at all other than more gangs, more cities that take over, a bigger claim on Northern California. But guess what? All these gangs sent all their money to some dude in prison that's not even from their hood. Right. So who really owns that? Like if you were a guy who started a couple of corner stores or, you know,

a grocery store or some shit and like created jobs for like 10 people that he knows, like you're like a person who's created so much more of a positive change in your community than dudes who basically just like prop up killing and drug dealing for their entirety of their life and then like are also kind of like try to tell everybody that they need to fear and respect them for whatever just like being in a dangerous gang that everybody's scared of it's like you know if you just start like a business and spend your life doing that it'd be like so much more respectable and positive for the community exactly like you You had him on the podcast, big tone.

Yeah. I think that is the example of what North Daniel should have been. He's never been to prison. Okay. Didn't gang bang like that. He was in his hood. You know, maybe once in a while he put him work on a South Side, but he pursued his music. Connected to one of the biggest Northennial rap artists, Woody.

Successful in business, became his own entrepreneur. And all you see about that dude is positivity and success. That should have been everybody on that avenue, on that route. You were supposed to go to prison and learn from that experience and say this is where our people don't need to be. Instead, it's became a cycle to where it's perpetuating that cycle to where you, that's where you got to be in order to be an righteous Norteno, considered a Norteno. He was the prime example that I've always said in my YouTube channel. I was like, he's what you guys are supposed to become.

Most of y'all ain't doing it. Y'all just want to go in the hood, smoke some weed, talk about loud, killing enemies, being a rapper. And that's him, maybe working a small 95. That's should have been better than that. Yeah, because, like, you know, the numbers are oftentimes, like, hard to argue with. and if I were to go look at Big Tones interview, I'm going to assume it has like maybe 100,000 views, maybe 200,000 views,

but meanwhile, like Lefty Gildenplay got a million views. The people at home, you know, growth, positivity, business-minded, et cetera, doesn't necessarily draw in the same number of people, you know, people want to see somebody who's liable to crash out. Exactly. I think that sends a weird message because I seen Lefty Gump, I was out here when he was going all crazy. He's talking his little prison stories on Indicted TV.

And I was like, okay, maybe he's been somewhere. And then when I heard about that little thing about the Bulldog, he said he blasted some Bulldog caught in the temp. I was like, no, you didn't. Because I have that paperwork because I have a homie that's a Bulldog that actually was in that right. You weren't involved in that right. I knew all the names in that paperwork that were involved. But like I said, on social media, you could be anybody.

So how come it takes somebody like that to become that successful and that big? But when you look at Big Tonin, it's like, yeah, he got the views. but nobody wants to hear that they want to hear about this dude that talks smack that disses everybody that does drugs that shows his pecker to women on the social media all that stuff they want to see that that's more entertaining

that's why I think like when it comes to me my channel on my genre I think I'm falling off because I think the world loves the positivity but it's really short-sighted people want the controversy people that make videos about me that make fun of me give a hell of a lot more views than me actually doing my craft because they want to hear

drama they want to hear they want to stir things up and I get it controversy cells I just told myself like I don't want to be a part of that no more and like that's why I just kind of stay in my lame I don't respond to people and I kind of look at those people that do positive videos like that's something that I watch I watch Andrew Tate all the time I like everything that food says like I get captivated with like I'm inspired by them people but everybody else is inspired by the lefties and the Cheetos and the Swifties and everybody else and that's that's what's going to encourage his next generation to be yeah it is crazy like it is If you're a rapper and you don't have a serious drug problem,

you're almost like better off pretending that you do because for some reason it seems like that makes the fans so much more interested in you. Yeah. Or if you've been to prison. Yeah. Like now there's new stuff like all 50, 50 yards. Like they're blaming blue face. And I was like, bro, like blacks don't even care about that, bro.

It's not saying anything bad about blacks. Like blacks don't give it down about 50-50s. They're just going to politic on their own ways, on their own yards, whatever yards they on. But everybody was trying to accuse blueface of being 50-50, which he wasn't on a 50-50. There was a King Nico. They blamed him and tried to ruin his credibility.

I'm like, bro, you guys are so fascinated with the status of somebody's prison life on social media. Oh, if you weren't on an active yard, we're not going to listen to you. We're not going to bump your music. I'm like, bro, that's how watered down social media has become is that you got to be active. You got to have active gang status to really be somebody on social media. And I think that's like the worst part of social media period because even people that don't go to jail have an opinion on it. Like, I don't know if I should watch you because you haven't been on a. active yard. I'm like, get the fuck.

When did normal people start to have enough get in on this? I know, that's the fuck the thing about blue face is that it feels like he had almost every bad accusation that you could have from a guy who's in prison and none of it panned out in any way. Like they were saying he was smoking

spice. He came out. It seems totally normal. He gained a shitload of ways like intentionally gained weight to get bigger and stuff. They were saying that, you know, they made AI photos of him looking zesty He's doing like weird poses and shit like that. You know, even like Gumbie just had like a clip go out

where he was talking about how his hummies from Hoover and shit were squabble in blue face while he's in there. So he's not turning down phase and shit like that. I mean, if anything, he got his hood tattooed on his face while he was in there. A lot of these are things that are like probably a bad idea. But like, I mean, he definitely seems like he did everything that, like, a gangster is supposed to do while he's in prison. And still they managed to accuse him of everything.

Like, it's just so crazy this world we live in. It's like that, how was that so, like, don't, nobody wanted to see this fool come out and just make some slappers, like make another Thadiana part two. Yeah. Nobody cared about that. Everybody was like, bro, what was he doing in jail? Who was he hanging with? Was he really with his gang? Did he turn out?

Like, why is that anybody's concern about somebody's prison status? And I think it's because these last past seven, eight years of everybody validating the prison aspect, the prison complex, the prison genre, the prison status where we've, like how you said earlier, it could be detrimental, have an adverse effect. We've influenced a culture of influence that in order to be popular, in order to be creditable, you have to have, like, good gang status, a good gang reputation or a good prison status of where you've been in order to become and evolve. And I'm like, bro, that's why, like, there's been times where I'm like, I'm going to quit YouTube, brother. It's stupid.

Like, I hate this stuff. You know what I was with 6'9 in Miami, like when you just mentioned that like before that like, you know, some girls would be like, oh, you're a dropout or whatever, man. I've seen six, nine, so many girls coming through, the hottest girls I've ever seen in my life. Now, granted, world famous, rich, that helps too. But, like, this dude's like the most famous snitch ever. And he's got girls lining up at the crib to just, like, give him a hug and say hi.

And who knows how many of them he's banging, whatever. He seems like he could take it or leave it. And they don't give a fuck. Exactly. But like I said, in Cali, it's a hell of a lot more different. I can't talk to women that know somebody that's active. they're gonna be like, hell no. Yeah.

But him being what he did and what he said, I mean, he is who he is. He has embraced it. And like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I'd rather be entertaining women than entertaining a bunch of men that care about whether or not I have any respect in the streets. Like, man, fuck that respect.

Dude, like, you see what I'm sleeping with, bro? You see how much money this podcast gave me? You see how much money? I got to go perform. Like, all that concerns me how far I get, I'll be damned if I'm really focused on what a guy has to think about me. Like, that's why I kind of got over. Like, dude's call me dropouts like every day in my DMs.

And I was like, cool. Hope that I hope you sleep well at night. Because I notice we have a mutual stalker. This guy dubs who makes videos about both of us all the time. But even in, like, I was trying to watch some of his videos about you. And I'm going to be real. Like, he takes so long to get to the point of whatever the fuck he's talking about that I didn't even really get to the point of why he doesn't like you or whatever.

But like, I mean, what's your thought process on seeing people who are kind of making their, claim to fame, like, commentating on you. Like, you thought you were commentating on the streets. Now you got people commentating on your commentary. To be honest with you, like, dudes' war stories about prison are incredible. They're good videos. I watched a few of them. Okay.

Once him and his co-partner started attacking me along with others, I kind of stopped paying attention to it. But if you notice, I've never fell for the bait. Yeah. I was trying to find videos you made by him, like I'm funny. Yeah, no, I don't because I get it. I know this is a competitive. market, but they're not my competition. I'm on my own competition because I'm trying to better

myself. You know, he has he has made his points, but to be honest with you, like I, the only reason why him and his co-partner, from what I was been advised of that hate me is because, you know, we were all part of the same genre, but because of my intimate details or my, like, deep details about it, about the prison stuff, they feel like I'm jeopardizing their lives too. Like, they think that all YouTubers are going to get greenlighted because of it. me. I'm like, bro, no, I'm already green-outed for one. For two, I speak for myself. I never said I knew you guys, never said I

talked to you guys. I don't associate with you guys. They just think that I'm bringing heat to YouTube and I'm like, bro, I have no association whatsoever. These guys hate me for me. They hate renegade media because of what I say. That's the worst logic I could ever think of. Well, but that's what that's what the... Because eventually I kind of asked, I was like, bro, why they always make it fun to me, bro? Like, I don't even talk to those fools. And then

when they advise me what they said, and I was like, that's it? I was like, They ain't going to be in L.A. when I'm in L.A. They ain't going to be in San Jose. So if anybody's going to get gunned down, it's going to be me. So I don't see how I'm bringing them heat. When they don't even talk about it in the aspects or how deep that I get involved. So which they've done both done before, like you have your own things to worry about.

Don't worry about what I'm doing. That's all it's ever been. I've never attacked them. I've never went out my way to confront them. I just look at it like, well, I get it. We've all done it at one point in time where you just make fun of somebody. post a thumbnail and have an opinion about it, the differences between you.

I'm just focused on me. I'm focused on what I'm doing. Look, I made it to No Jumper. I made it to Johnny Mitchell. I plan on making it to, you know, DJ Blad. I plan on making it to software. I plan on making places. So, like, I really can't sit here and dwell

and focus on how people are going to attack me because the bigger you get, you're going to get attacked. I'm going to make Vlad interview you. I've asked him. I've asked them so many times because, look, I'm going to leave you on this one. This is going to be a trip. Sure.

So I've asked Vlad so many times to interview me, but I just think he's a cool podcaster. And like, you know, one of my biggest, you know, I guess influencers is Hector Bravo. He's made places, been a podcast. So I'm trying to follow that same step. And I had, I've been asking Vlad, but he's been ignoring me. He hasn't answered me. He didn't even look at my DMs. But when that stuff happened with Torrey Lane's and Wack 100 was getting out of me all crazy, like he, he didn't even know I talked to Wack yet.

And he got at me and he was like, yeah, that was crazy. and stuff he said about Torrey Lane's and I was like yeah because I got the facts I got the receipt so you were the first one who put out the rumor about him getting stabbed up I broke I broke it down why and whack 100 call me and he was like you need to take that down bro that's not the narrative was it was tory talking to the guy's girlfriend or something yeah that's what the assumption was see look the one thing that I have it it's on my iPad but my iPad's broken so I'm trying to get trying to retrieve all of it because I have the pictures of money signs to wait on it too the the text message is from him on the tab

to his girlfriend at the time. And it was just an accusation like, hey, bro, like, were you talking to him on the phone? And she was like, no. It was like, was he trying to get at you on the phone? And she was like, no. And they were going back and forth. And then he said, I'm going to get at this fool for that. That's the text message that I got from the friend.

Not the actual girl that he was talking to, but from a friend that she sent the screenshot of them to having a conversation. So when I seen that, I'm talking to two homies that were on the yard, they were like, yeah, this fool like this fool just basically thought that since he was using the phone, you're using Torrey Lane's phone. and he'd give it back that Tori Lane's was getting at his old lady. Supposedly there's this video of her dancing for Torrey Lane's, but no one never shot it to me.

That was an accusation on the yard, so I didn't throw that in the video. I said this full attack Torrey Lane's because he thought he was getting out his old lady or trying to get at his old lady. Academics posted it. My video went viral, and Wack 100 calls me telling me that that's not the narrative. That's not really what happening.

I need to take it down. I'm going to lose followers. I was like, no, I got my sources. You can tell your version. And I've seen Wack 100 go on DJ Vlad's interview and say the same story that I said. I was like, how are you going to? He was trying to stop him from coming out.

At some point he just gave up. That was the one time I was like, bro, I'm going to make a video about this. But I was like, you know what? It's fine. I still respected Wack because, you know, we got to talk to him. He was in Columbia at the time and I was talking to him. To me, me personally, like Wack 100 is a big name. I was like, that's cool.

He used to post me a lot. Then when that happened, he was like, if you don't take this video down, I'm going to block you and I'm going to embarrass you. So I didn't do it. And he's kind of like made a dumb post about me. And I was like, it's whatever, bro. Like, I'm sorry that I lost the cool person. But, like, you guys are big names to me.

I feel like I'm a small name in this genre on this YouTube yard. And, like, I'm trying to aspire to be bigger. So he does all he does. And I didn't really care. And I told DJ Vlad about it. I was like, yeah, man, this fool tried to make it take down the video. This is what it was said. And then, like, months later, I see him on DJ Vlad.

And like I said, I watched DJ Vlad's interviews. And I look at it and I hear Wack 100 said. And I just started laughing. I was like, I should just say it. But I'm so humble and so positive now. I was like, I don't want the smoke. I don't want the beef with him. Fine.

I let him say, and I just let it be. And I never made a video about him. I just, I knew when coming here, I was like, that's going to come up. I'm going to say that because, you know, even though I didn't, I don't need the credit, I felt like I still deserved it because I got so much hate and criticism from that video, only for somebody else to reveal it and they didn't get the hate and criticism themselves. I was like, well, what made me so different? Yeah.

Like, everybody thought I was lying and I fabricated that story, but I had the receipts. Yeah. Dude just came out, said, like, I got my sources, and that he was believable. more than me yeah it was a trip though but that's pretty much what happened i think dude just wigged out so as far as as you know tory lanes is still in that same prison after getting stabbed by this guy or not to be honest with you i didn't look into it after that i kind of like just moved on from the subject matter because i was like bro like i was just doing a good deed just telling everybody what really happened like yes prison is scannless of course a dude's gonna assume like it's tory lane's here he can knock anybody's

old lady probably of course in your cell you're you're gonna panic and be like man maybe my old lady's talking to him maybe he got the number because i left it's something you're on the call log. That's all that dude did was just wig out. I don't even think his girl really did it because she was genuinely talking to a friend. Like, man, I did nothing with that phone. I didn't talk to them.

So I was talking to a friend and two homies that knew her. So I don't think anything went about it other than that fool just spazzing out. He just crashed out and look, he got his fame. Because it is hard to imagine, like, this girl's dating this other dude in prison. It's like, what involvement are you going to have to with toy lanes? Like, even you're talking to her for a couple of minutes

would be some crazy shit. Like the idea that like she was actually really had something going on with Torrey Lanes is like kind of hard to buy. And then and then he's his whoever he was talking to it because I think he was talking to multiple girls because another girl got at me. I was trying to look at the text messages last night. And they were like, hey, they tried to charge me for the interview for him. He was like looking for somebody to pay him like thousands and thousands of dollars to interview so he can tell his version of what really happened. I was like, man, I ain't paying that full crap. For one, what his charges are makes him a weirdo because he was messing with an unmasked.

underage girl to I don't really care about the story like that I just did it because I got the information I go three I ain't paying you crap I go so I got the information that I know from his girl to him on that tablet that tells me the story so I don't need his version and then they just stopped talking to me so they were like trying to get it for a money bag I get it and I was like well let him tell this version even if he tries to say it at a different way that it wasn't way I did it I was the first one to really relinquish that information and I just left it alone I just did a video went about my dad and I was going to go viral that bad. But it went viral like half a million

views on TikTok alone. Then when I seen DJ academics pose me, I was like, ah, hell, you're going to post it by him. That's cool. Then our face went on a world star, and I was like, I'm making it, bro. The next level of that. None of that benefited me at all.

Yeah, that's the crazy thing is I feel like, you know, there was a YouTube channel called Drama Alert. There was all, like, YouTube drama and stuff. I remember the first time I made it on that shit, I got like 100,000 extra views on the video that they were talking about. Like maybe it had 100K or 200k, all of a sudden we got 300, 400k. And I just couldn't believe it.

And I feel like now in the clip era, it's like everything just gets clipped and nobody goes back to the original shit. Like I know people who have had clips from their podcast go so unbelievably viral where it's like on every platform, no increase in the viewers on their shit at all. Like it's crazy. It didn't benefit me. So I was like, even today I was thinking to myself, I was like, man, I'm going on a little jump at a man.

I asked you like, what, a year and a half ago on that messages? I was like, I wonder if it's going to help me out. If it's, if it's that next level, if this is what I need. I debated it because, you know, I've been this person that nobody wants to interview. I've reached out to so many podcasts and they're like, nah, too much drama. Your baggage. And I'm like, I get it. I understand.

And then I just sit here and tell myself, like, what moves do I need to make in order to reach the next level? Because if not, I'm going to remain stagnant, remain the same YouTuber. And at this point, it's going to be like, bro, I'm not going over. with this so I might as well just quit. That's been my biggest problem too when it comes to social media. The social media air is like nobody wants to interview me. Nobody wants me around. Nobody wants to bring around or nobody takes me serious.

And I'm like, bro, I take my crap so serious. So I got like 45 videos done for the next month and a half of content for people. And I still keep going. Like just trying to figure out ways to get to that next level. But as you, if you look me up, bro, I got more videos about me talking shit about me. then there are people watch those before they watch my channel so that's been my biggest little railroad real quick yeah i feel like all that is just temporary like as you kind of break out of the smaller youtube scene i feel like that shit just matters less and less you know um okay but i feel like i first really

paid attention to you because you were the first person to really post about what happened to swayed which uh was like very useful at the time because like you know we all knew swayed and we all knew something that happened to him in prison we heard all these rumors and shit but it wasn't like we really knew. And then you kind of came out and aired out the whole situation. So was that a huge moment for you? And how did you actually find out about the circumstances in which he passed? I had talked about it a few times, just like any other content creator. But then it was one dude that had a cell phone. And he had his family reach out to me. So when I contacted him on a cell phone, he was in that facility when it happened. And he witnessed it. So he tells me everything that he

witness and sometimes you know it's hard to prove the credibility so sometimes I got to take that risk and throw it out there and if it's false and I find out it's false I take the video down and I apologize to my audience members well this one didn't come out to be false because somebody that works california cdc r was like here this is what happened so I get the pictures of him in the shower and I'm like I didn't want to see that dude I never listened to money science wade I've never followed him I didn't really pay attention to his music but it was a good enough video to where I was like you know what that's kind of messed up like I felt bad once you seen the pictures I was like man that's damn but I was already on that road where I was talking down on gangs so I was like

I'm going to turn this into something even stronger so I did my dirt and it took me months of months and months of finding out the names who got involved what happened with the camera showed I just had to reach into a lot of people in that facility and I had to remain low key with my sources and keep them all private but I got to read the report of the investigation and what it says and who's being accused who's who who's under investigation, what big homie made the call, and I ran with it. And dude, you don't know how many of his family reached out to me,

like, thank you for speaking of. And I'm not doing it for no cloud. I'm not doing it for to get the fame. But I'm like, bro, I want these fools busting me because, look, it could have happened to Swifty too. And I spoke up on that. And I don't even know these guys like that. It's a simple fact that I was talking out of these gangs.

If I can get these gangs busted for what they did this money, then that's a win for me because the wins will come after that. The fact is they killed this kid for no reason. And this was a young Mexican kid that was going places, bro. You guys didn't have that right to take that kid's life. I feel like he had probably like the most potential to be a nationwide, well-known rapper out of L.A. from the Mexican side of shit the whole time I've been doing this podcast. He made better music than almost anybody else I've seen come out of that scene.

I think he did. Because like I said, once I did the video, I listened to his music a little bit. And I went down this little rabbit hole of his. And I was like, dude, this is. This kid had potential, signed the millions already. And he didn't get to enjoy that live because some old man in prison wanted to tax him and punk him. I'm sending him on missions when he only had two years to do, beating him up in the cell when he was on a top bunk. Like, dude, that was wrong.

And then for them to lure him into a top tier shower where there's no cameras and just take his life. Like, they didn't think about his mom. They didn't think about his fans. They didn't think about nobody. So, like, for some reason, that video got me passionate to where I was like, man, I'm going to reach out. And it took me months of contacting people, contacting people in a pen with cell phones that were there. And you'll be surprised how many active gang members on that yard were like, bro, that was wrong and were giving me information. And I was just jotting it down, putting it together.

And then I finally got the names of the people investigated and the Mexican Mafia dude that was responsible. Since then, that Mexican mafia member hasn't flexed his muscle. Like, I've got word. Like, man, that foot was quiet as a bird. Like, he doesn't get out of his bunk. He just, he's, he, at first they were scared of him. He used to punk the cops, but now he's like upstanding inmate because of that video. And I'm just trying to encourage people like, man, look, let's get these foods for that and just bust them because they killed the kid for no reason that did not deserve to die.

Why? Just because he was a popular rapper. But the South Soutters has been known to take out popular rappers. That's why I was like, man, I'm going to just go hard on the pain on this. I don't care if it makes me look like a rat and a snitch. Oh, man, you got three dudes busted and a Mexican mafia bust it because you got all this inside information to bust them for. killing money, silence weight. I'm like, no, bro, I did what I was supposed to do because I was capable of doing it. And I'm pretty sure I made a lot of people happy, including this family,

that people are going to see justice for it. And that's still my goal. I don't care how people look at me. It's just I ran into that point where, like, they don't have enough evidence to charge them. They just know who was involved. But one of those dudes that did it, I know he flipped. His name was Baby from 38th Street. He flipped. And that's all they told me. They were like, he rides in the van by himself. He's escorted by cops. They're under the assumption that he might be telling but I don't see no arrest and no case being pending so I'm like really I did everything that I could to bring that

kid justice and it didn't work I feel like that kind of thing is important because people hear you know gangster and they just think oh like being gangster is cool as and it's like when you hear a story like that and you realize how to pray the shit is and how f*** up it is it's just like

you know people need to know that shit before they like devote their life to it like you know a lot of these stories like they're depending on people not talking about it. They're depending on it, not becoming transparent. And it's just like, you know, people need to know what they're getting into

if they want to be a gang member. And they didn't think for one second, somebody like me that was a regular YouTuber from Northern California who doesn't know none about Southside Parks and to get that much information on it. I did what I had to do. And like I said, a lot of people look at me like as a big YouTube rat for it.

I'm like, I don't care what you guys say because at the end of day, all my sources are resourceful, good intel. You guys watch it. You guys just mad that I'm saying it. And if anything happens with the money-sized weight case and I get blamed for it, like, oh, man, you got these dudes bust and I'm like, I don't even care, bro. Like, that kid did not deserve to die in jail over prison politics, bro.

Like, that's what's really happening. That was on a big scale. But let's not forget about the small scale where all these dudes that just have lives and have a date or can't come home or have families already getting killed in the same fashion. That's why I do what I do. Yeah, because I was having a conversation with another rapper the other day. and he was, we were talking about some YouTuber that made a video about him. It's this guy, a Tuncci 5 from the Rowan hundreds.

And basically, like, there's multiple YouTube videos out there that are basically just talking about what a shooter he was and all this crazy work that he put in, et cetera, et cetera. And when I read him some of the quotes that people have said about him in YouTube videos, because he claimed he never watched him. It was just kind of hard to believe. But he said he didn't ever watch this. I'm reading him the quotes about how he was known for drive-by's and

instead of walkdowns and all this shit. And he was just like, bro, see like, what's wrong with these YouTubers? Like, they're going to get somebody locked up doing that shit. And I'm like, yeah, but you got to understand that their mentality is that they don't give a if they get somebody locked up because their mentality is, A, if you left enough evidence somehow or you spoke about it or you did anything, then you basically were like, you, you know, if I have enough information to report on, then it's your fault. and if I get somebody locked up who was committing violent crimes, then like, who cares?

Like, that's for the betterment of society, right? Yeah. So do you look at it like that as well? And like, was it kind of hard for you to get into that mentality of like, well, the best case scenario here realistically is like somebody getting in like serious trouble for the shit? Yeah, sometimes I look at it like that. But most of the cases that I've talked about are already cases that were closed, except like the money signs weight and a couple of other ones. But that doesn't bother anymore because I don't think with a gang mentality anymore

I'm just a regular citizen that's doing content that's doing his job, that's doing a civic duty of teaching kids not to join gangs what it looks like. They get busted for it. That's their own stupidity because I got busted for my own stupidity. So I really, like I said, I've already been known for that just by relinquishing too much information

about prison stuff. So what difference is going to make if somebody does get busted? If anything, a murder guy happened and I was capable of solving it, then I'm a goddamn good investigator and I deserve to work for a bigger or agency. I'm just a content creator who can dig dirt, but the thing about me is different from everybody is that people really tap in because I make myself accessible.

I don't ignore nobody because I'm renegade. I don't disacknowledge people. They give me information. They tap in. Like all these active gamers, they brought some info for you. I'm like, yeah, what is it? And then if I see another person said the same thing, I'm like, okay, that's the same goddamn story.

Okay, we're good. And I run with it and it works. And like, I haven't thought that far. Like, what if I'm getting people bus it? because most of the cases I've talked about, these are already busted. Haven't really talked about an open case. I think there was one or two occasions,

but I just showed how all the gangs really operated and how somebody got killed. Nobody got busted for what I've done and what I've said. It'd be crazy if I did because I'm like, bro, if I'm not good and maybe I should have been a detective because I just sit on my desk and my phone thousands of miles away from California, and I can do that.

That'll just tell me my potential is crazy. And then I need to start exploring a little bit more options, but I can't let it bother me. Like my content has became that good because nothing really bothers me. I'm just telling cool stories. For sure. So how do you feel looking at somebody like Swifty who kind of similar to the suede situation? You know, he had an order out there to take care of him and he somehow managed to avoid it.

But he's still kind of playing both sides of the fence because he like when he did interview with me, he's not really like giving up any kind of information about it even though he's apparently green lit. Like he's kind of trying to, I guess, hopefully, potentially be back in some people's good graces at some point maybe. Yeah, I don't know what that man is up to. Like, I've had different mixed signals with that individual. And I think me and him both know what I'm talking about. But other than that, when it came to his situation, dude, I was the first one to pull out his paperwork. And that was hard as hell to do.

But I got it from people that were, like, there was people involved in that case that had posted bail. So I was able to get the information like that. So I read the paperwork because in my head, I'm like, bro, I don't really know the dude like that. But I've done so many videos about how he got greenlit. That got like, 200, 17,000 views. I was like, bro, I don't want to see another dead rapper. If I could speak up with this fool, even this fool's not going to really care or acknowledge anything between me and him. At least I do a good deed.

So I read the paperwork because I was like, let me see if he told. He didn't tell. So I posted it purposely so all these other bloggers can stop dragging his fool's name in the mud. Because no matter what that fool does, whether it's good or bad, they're going to drag his name through the mud. So I did it on the sole basis. Like I don't want to see another dead rapper and we all make blogs making fun of the dude

because he's dead over some Mexican mafia foods. But there's so much more deep than that. But since he wants to portray himself to continuously be good, standings, and active, and then I really can't relinquish any other information other than the other day when he was disrespecting in Jenny 6'9. I was like, bro, do you really want to go there and be that kind of person and disrespect women now?

And it's funny because he went live with her and denied it and cut cleared it up. But I was like, bro, you know, as well as I know, there's more to that story. The only version I gave to YouTube was that you didn't tell so people don't stop. So people don't really call you a snitch and try to kill you. And that's all I really did because, like I said, I don't expect nothing from him. I don't want nothing from him.

I can get where I need to go by myself. But I acknowledge that I did a good thing for you to make sure to clear your name, even though he's going to say he cleared it on his own way. I made sure everybody publicly knew that you didn't tell, but that you did get stabbed and that you do got some type of green light. And then I brought up the Mexican mafia names who were involved. And I brought up the reasons why he's getting green light. It's just a scandalous individual hating on Swifty that got put in a bad predicament

because he wanted to be with the wrong crowd. Extract yourself from that crowd and go chase your music career. But he's back online trying to be this hardcore gang member that's in good standings. I'm like, bro, there's only so much I could do for you. I did that out of the kindness in my heart. It didn't benefit me or you because you just went back being to the same person. So if it happens again, like, well, What am I supposed to do for you?

All I didn't want to do is want, I didn't want like a snitch jacket put on him. I was like, Russ Scalus, bro. Like, you guys are just jumping to all kinds of conclusions because you want so much dirt on this dude. He didn't snitch. Yeah. But whatever happened, why he got blasted for and how these fools incriminated themselves, these fools snitched on themselves through that whole whole paperwork. They were telling on each other.

And then the streets took it like, well, it's because of Swifty. I'm like, bro, that's how gangs really work now. Like, you don't have to tell. They just want to tell everybody you told and everybody's going to believe it. And before I even did that video, I seen everybody already accusing him all. He's probably telling. He probably told him. And I was like, nah, we'll see.

Grab the paperwork. I was like, he didn't tell. And it was a dead issue after that. Yeah. But he's going to be who he wants to be. And if he continues to want to be around that same lifestyle, I was like, man, nobody's going to save you. But you're going to have to save yourself in that situation. Yeah.

I just wanted to make sure he wasn't able to snitch. That was all. Yeah, that day that I went to his hood filming a vlog and then they firebomb the restaurant that we went to the next day, or that night. that was like one of the craziest moments for me of just realizing like oh so real shit can happen from this content like they went to that spot they saw us there on social media and they went firebomb that shit that night that's crazy like i i kind of couldn't believe it and that's what he's bringing and that's what he wants to be around his persona on social media as he still wants to be this active gaming remember like bro they tagged up your mom's house they dropped your mom's location

they went to your mom's location it says it in the paperwork they pulled up to your mom's mom's house while you were there. They just didn't do nothing. Like, it's, it gets close. Like, I played that game, too, where they got close, but no cigar. And I stopped playing that game. Like, bro, I don't let nobody know I'm here until I'm gone. He wants to be famously known as Swiftly Blue. That's the untouchable. I'm like, bro, this, this gang world, you put you in, they'll kill people in their hood. They ain't going to go out, like, fly three states over to get me. But they'll kill people within the immediate area, and you're going to put yourself in a media where they want you dead. Like, you only got yourself to blame at the end of the day.

I'm just going to be the blogger. I'm like, well, I try to tell you, bud, and I try to clear it for you. But that lifestyle is more important than just chasing your dream. So I'll let them have it. Thanks. Okay, so I just got a couple more questions I feel like we need to dig into it. Maybe you could, you could settle this for everybody out there. Are Mexicans allowed to snitch on blacks in prison?

No. No. Okay. No. But I will say this. just to kill the noise on all that because I'm going to be strong about that opinion, bro. Everybody tells on everybody.

That's plain and simple. That's one of the biggest strategic moves that people make when they don't really want to stir the pot up. I've had blacks drop kites on me before. So it was a black from him. I think it was either Swans or Denver Lane. They were on the bottom tier. He dropped the kite on me.

But we caught it before the cop got it and we gave it to him and they beat him up. He says he accidentally just dropped it out of his sock, but he just happened to be by the cops when we found it. But you'll see a lot of inmates, like they'll hand, they'll just drop kites just to try to stir the pot up and you'll never know who the sources really are.

If it's, it's forbidden though that, I heard that narrative, South Siders tell on blacks all the time, but they can't tell on their own. I've never seen it, but I wasn't the South Sider. No, bro, the perception that Southsiders need to have is, bro, they're deep. Why do they need to tell?

They can go to war and send 30 of their homeboys on you guys. and they can all go to the hole, and they're still going to be the biggest on the yard. They don't need a tell on you if they want to get rid of you. That is just a crazy narrative that I seen, and one time I reacted to it, and I thought that was so stupid. Okay.

But nobody's allowed to tell. It's just talent happens all the time. Most of the time, it's just gang members telling on their own people and talent on their rivals every now and then. But you'll never know who the source of the snitch was unless the cops give you your 1030 or your 812. Right. And even then they blacked the names out,

so you'll never know who told them. on you. You just get this 1030 in the mail. I'm like, yeah, you got told on for this. You got a point. And a couple of points take you to the whole. But now I've heard that narrative so many times, bro, and it's not true, bro. Southsiders, they're probably the most ruthless group of gang in the penal system. They ain't got no reason to tell. They could just slaughter you, plain and simple. They're that deep. They can afford the numbers. So there's a lot of talent happening, generally speaking. Well, okay, would it be fair to say that Southsiders are more likely to tell on blacks outside their race than on their own.

No, they'll tell on their own before they tell them another race. Because there's really no interaction with other races to tell. Like the black told on me because of what we were doing, we're running a drug transaction. And for some reason, like, he was benefiting from it. So I don't know why he was telling them. I mean, I think he felt like we were pressuring him to bring it in, which wasn't the case.

So he just dropped the kite on the ground. But that's pretty much what they do. They're going to, they actually south side is telling each other more than anything. buddy. They drop kites on each other left and right. Sometimes if they want to get rid of their leadership, they can tell on their own leadership, drop a kite on them. Their leadership gets snatched up and now this car from IE takes over the building or takes over the yard and or if not they'll just go to war with each other. But they'll tell on each other more than they'll tell on another group segment because there's not that many interactions other than drug sales.

And now all you got all black guys to do is say, hey, your homie owes me money hasn't paid me and the sysiders will kill them. All that telling stuff, no, they just tell. The gang, the gang, and administration know more about the gangs because of them snitching on their own gang. That's it. That's the biggest snitching that happens. Interesting. Okay. From your perspective, do you think that the N-word is a good thing or a bad thing for the Rasa movement and culture in general? We got a dude, Moose Man, who comes on the podcast pretty frequently, he's from Sacramento, and he was saying that he feels like that kind of holds back a lot of Mexican rappers because the people aren't going to accept a Mexican who says the N-word all the time.

Six-nine comes to mind right away as somebody who was like, well, they didn't care when he was doing it. But do you think that that's like something that generally speaking, Mexicans should be trying to like encourage other Mexicans not to make part of the vocabulary? Well, me, being from Northern California, I said it a lot. Even when I started YouTube and started rapping in the beginning, I said it a lot. I just stopped because it just sounds so ridiculous now coming from. Because dude, I used to see South Siders say it a lot.

And it's funny, though, because on the yards, the blacks did not care when Northerners say because of our black and brown communities up north. When we say it a different way with a different stilo. But when you hear a South Sider say in a yard, I was like, bro, that shit sounds forced, bro. Like, you don't even know a black person? Like, it sounds really like borderline races. Like, I don't know. Was that an A or R?

You feel like they just say it differently, like a little bit more antagonistically? It doesn't roll off the same way as Northerners. I think that was bad. That's what made it more embarrassing to see Mexicans, but now that I've gotten older, it's like, bro, just talk normal. I think it is detrimental, because that's why when I rap now,

I don't say it. I don't even try to cuss in my raps most of the time. I just rap regular. The N-word, saying it repeatedly. Like, the N-word, I think most of the time is, it's the fill in the blanks of a verse. Yeah. Especially for the black culture.

And it sounds cool because that's what they are, and that's how they identify themselves. And they can use that word very effectively, and it sounds good in the rap lyric. But hearing a Mexican say it, bro, it's like, now that I've listened to more Mexican rappers, I'm like, now you just sound watered down. You sound like you're trying to be somebody else. If you don't have the potential to write your own rapes and sound like you,

other than somebody else, then you ain't got the potential to be rapping. I think it is detrimental, but now I just see more Mexicans say it way more times than a black man would. I'm like, bro, how did it, how did the roles reverse? Because for a long time, I used to see, like, Mexicans, especially Southerners, like, thought it was wrong to talk like that and made fun of blacks in prison for talking like that and then now we got a culture

where more Mexicans say it than even blacks I don't even think blacks want to say it that much it just kind of looks embarrassing and I'm kind of glad I grew out of that point of my life where I don't use the N word no more it's really just a bad look to me personally but sometimes you hear some rappers and you're like that boy

that boy got it even though you said the NWR like five times in that one paragraph and 16 bars you said it eight times I mean I like like it was around mostly like Puerto Rican people and Dominican people on the East coast for like most of my younger years. And honestly, that's not something that I even really thought about until I got way older because

I feel like almost every Hispanic person I've been around and my whole life has said it. At least, you know, the ones who did, we didn't really think twice about it. Then I moved to New York. Every white kid, every Hispanic kid, every person I was around at that time was just like saying it all the time. But then like once I'm like out here and I start to like, understand the like Mexican identity as being separate from the whole just like people of color type thing like when I'm listening to somebody like bozo explaining how like you know he's proud of

his culture and he sees it almost as like a betrayal of his culture to be using somebody else's slang that is so directly linked to their culture and their experience that he sees it as just like just not cool and like now I kind of I'll never judge somebody for saying it because it's not my business, but I definitely like, if I was Mexican, I feel like I would not say it just because it seems like it's borrowing something that is so inherently black that it's just like, it's just kind of uncool. Like, it would be cooler for you to have your own slang that is more directly aligned with your own ethnicity. Yeah, like, if you hear like Tito Rana's rap in Spanish, sounds awesome. Yeah.

It's cool. And then you hear them with the N-word and you're like, why? Like, you were just gassing right now, you were cooking right now, why? I didn't just think they use it way too much. Now, if you would, if you were, if you did it the same way they do it and it sounds cool and it flows nice, I wouldn't have paid attention to it, but it's like every other word and most of the time now, like if you see a post by them, it's like dead homies is, dead homies, they said day homies ten times, the N-word eight times, but they only said like two sentences.

I'm like, what, like, expanded vocabulary. The Mexican culture and the black culture and my lifestyle, like we've always had commonalities, common interests come from same heritage and backgrounds we've embraced each other in multiculturalism we share the same thing so let's not view each other any different that word and the way it's being used by Mexians

is going to draw that distinguishing line again when we've already came so far because now you're starting to see a lot more blacks like bro this sounds stupid and you're using this word like repetitively it's just it's a bad look on the culture now if you're going to say it and black people accept it then fine

but now just every other word Like you forgot the English language, brother? There's like a variety of words you could be using and they use that. To me, it just sounds really watered down. I just think it's not to sound more embarrassing. I wouldn't even watch a video if I hear a Mexican kid saying an inward like 10 times. Like even if it's a viral video, I'm like, bro, I'm enough already.

But that's because I've grown out of it though. Yeah. Now, the older you get, the kind of more mature you get. I mean, it's interesting that like arguably the biggest Mexican rapper from L.A. Over the last 10 years or maybe ever, it's like, O.GZ, who is somebody who, who is somebody who, is Mexican, but basically like clearly affiliates with black culture more, doesn't really have any cholo style to him. You know, if you were to replace him with a black guy, all his

clothes and stuff with just like align with that culture more directly and stuff. Like, but it kind of says a lot that he's arguably become like one of the biggest in that space, like, because he's black coded the most. Him, he's like, he doesn't care about that. He's already been accepted in his fan base where he can do that. Some of these dudes that ain't to that level yet where now we're just, you're under a microscopic lens where we pay more attention to it and it's not, it's not, you're not,

not everybody's going to win like that. He won like that. Swiftie can get away with it. Not everybody's going to get away with it, but everybody's trying to now. And now you just hear the biggest argument where all rap's supposed to be black cultures, Mexicans should be rapping mariachi. Like, no, we're going to do whatever the hell we want because it's America.

But let's do it in our own lane. We could be so much bigger. if we did it our way in our lane as a representation of our people with the English language rapping in a style of black without having to use that word. Some people have acceptances,

but not everybody's going to be accepting. I think everybody's just blind to that. They really think that they can get away with it. I stopped using it because my audience is like, bro, you sound ignorant. I'm like, you know what? You're right. I listen to my videos.

I even listen to my own music. I'm like, bro, that's trash. I said the end word like four times and four bars. And I got rid of it. What's your attitude on music at this point? It's just like a fun little hobby to do from time to time if you really got something to say? No, I just like, my first song that really blew up was rabbit season because I was disrespecting

Norlanders and that video got like almost 100,000 views on our music video, but I had too much guns in it. So I was like, whoa, I need to stop. I'm doing it from my cousin. He got killed by my homies from my hood. May he rest in peace. That's why I screamed one life, one chance out loud because that was his last tattoo. Me and our memories together, we were always bumping like four.

you know, be legit back in the day, Master P. He loved music. So I just wanted to do it to keep his name alive. I wasn't worried about going viral, making music, and collaborating. I just did songs about him. I have a catalog of One Life, One Chance about him. And now I just do it for fun. Like I said, I don't drink.

I don't go to bars. I don't meet girls. I don't party. I never been to a strip club. So to me, I'm like, where I needed something to do other side from YouTube. So I like to rap just to mess around. Now, I have the money to pay for a feature if I wanted one, but I just kind of like I just said,

I didn't take that part of the crap seriously. I was just like, it's a fun, it's something I could do, something way to express myself. I've gotten a couple hundred people listen to me on Spotify, and I was like, that's cool, you know. I may not have tens of thousands, like, lefty and all that, but I know I got bars. I just don't sound like these guys that want everybody wants to sound like EBKJ,

Beau, everybody's talking about murdering. No, my bars are a little bit different. I'm a 90s baby. I grew up off RBL posse. I grew up off, you know, E-40, too short. I grew up off that style. Like one of my favorite rappers is Holotib, Lonee Co Leon, people from SAC.

So I just keep it like right there. I'm a 90s baby, so I'm a represent it the 90s way. Not the N-words and all that. Just strictly just music. I just do it for fun. But if the big name was to come up and I have the money for it, I wouldn't mind doing it. I got the money to do it.

I got the ability to do it. I just haven't took that part seriously. What's a feature you could imagine yourself doing that would be like ideal from your perspective and you think that they might have. actually be down. Wow, now there's, I haven't met nobody that'd be down, but yeah, maybe putting themselves in some shit for sure. Yeah, dude, like, man, I would have did a collab with Swiftly like, hey, bro, let's kill the internet, bro, that would piss me off. There you go.

Dude, I would collab with 269 because she's bad as hell. She ain't going to do it. People from California, they will not mess on me on that level. So I was like, man, I might as well just take my music in Texas or something where, you know, rapping still rapping. But a lot of these California people that I would would collab with, they just wouldn't do it. And I got the money to pay for it. I can, I can market it my damn self. I got the money to back up the marketing. Never came up.

So in my head, I'm like, I got my back against the wall. So it's me versus everybody now at this point. They ain't nobody trying to collab with. Those would be the cool artists I would have done it with, like no problem. They're just in a different lifestyle. And I'm viewed a certain way from that lifestyle where I'm like, I'm on the back burner, which makes me even try it harder. So I still buy my beads.

I still work on my lyrics. I just drop music less and less. But if you hear Renegade 3, that was one of my best songs I ever did, disrespecting a lot of people in that video, I mean, in that song. A lot of subliminals in there, too, but a lot of people love that song. So I know I have the capability to match and compete with some of them,

but it's just me against the world. So I just look at it like, there's no point of me reaching out to nobody. They reach out to me. I got no problem. I'm open-minded to anybody. They just ain't going to do it. So why should I make the effort? No, I feel it.

Yeah, you're making me feel like I've got to start rapping more. I forgot about it I made a couple songs and totally forgot but it's fun of shit and there is that like weird thing in your head like if I do this a lot

like I wonder could I get really good at it like could I get a lot better than I am right now my best song was a disc track and like I said I got 100,000 views where I took that video down

that's one of my biggest streaming songs like 30 some thousand streams on Spotify was rabbit season if I went that round disrespected like you know lefty

which he doesn't deserve it, you would get the traction. Yeah. I just don't want that. I was like, I don't want no smoke with nobody. I'm just trying to make money and try to go places. That's all I want to do. I want to make me on everybody, but nobody wants to make money with everybody.

Everybody wants to step on everybody. Yeah. So I just do it for fun. I just bought a beat today. I'm going to go work on it. There was a part that I was going to, I was writing a verse, and it was a part I was going to drop a line on Swift. He just said, show him a little something, but I was like, nah, I'm going to just

be the bigger man, just let him. I'm going to let that one go. He knows and I know. That's all. That's all I can say about him. For sure. So, all right, like, my last question, how did you see, how did you feel when you saw Jenny 69 with Blueface?

And she was, I was going to come up. She was 20 shots deep, giving them a lap dance. A lot of people were pretty titillated by this. Yeah. You can look on my Instagram. People are going to hate me for this, but, like, I don't perceive her like everybody else does. Like, immediately in the comments, everybody's like, man, she's a three-o-o-fo. She's going to go some dude-to-do.

And I'm like, bro, have you ever seen her on? bigger railroad street selling it. If you haven't, you just make the accusation because she looks good the way she dresses. She was in a relationship for 10 years, I think, you know, up until very, very recently. Exactly. And everybody, like, I've never heard lefty say that they did what they did, all these crazy accusations. Oh, he did, though. He said it on stage, and she was furious. She got super mad about it. Never seen it. Um, but I'm not going to be blinded to it. To me, she just looks like a girl that's, she's a little bit ahead of everybody because of her beauty, her physique and her hustle. Like, she got the million views. She got the million followers. She's,

She got all that. I don't see nothing wrong with what she did. Hypothetically, if she was sleeping with everybody, which I'm not saying, Marilyn Monroe did. Look, she's an American icon. If you got to do what you got to do in this industry because of how corrupt it is and how perverted it can be, I don't judge her for none of that.

As long as she gets to where she's going, that was her decision. That's her body, and that's her choice. What I didn't like is everybody just quick to assume stuff. And to me, I made it. I did a video and I said, look, for all you guys got mad because she was, she started messing with some black dude. Y'all didn't have a problem with her.

Anytime that home girl goes live or picks a bugger or, you know, trips and falls, you guys post about to make money off her. But the moment she sat on his lap, all y'all decided to be mad and be hateful towards it, that's not my problem. Like, I don't have no problem with a black mixing with a Mexican or Mexican messing with a black or a black with a white. That does not concern me because I mess with all ethnicities. I was just calling bull crap on everybody because I just woke up

and everybody was just on her. It just kept coming up on my. feed and I was like what the hell's going on what I miss yeah and then I seen the bathroom thing I'm like bro so what like whatever she had to do to get there that's on her now now she takes it as a win and she goes places from there bro like you got to give her credit because I would do a lot of things to get to certain places in life but you know nobody gives me those opportunities a lot of people that got mad didn't get the look look what Cynthia said he goes I'm just mad you didn't take me with you but

yeah the day before when I made that video dissing you like hey bro you sure you want to go that route on just disrespecting everybody I was like bro he said the same thing you didn't take me with you but then the day before that oh man I slept with I already had that she for the streets then went on live and kissed her butt

I'm like bro no just keep it real like either you did or you didn't and that was the whole point I was trying to prove for her like bro you all just got mad because she sat on a black dude's lap like how was that new do you think the average

Mexican dude out there is more bothered by her sitting on a black dude's lap than they would like to admit like I felt like racism is just considered ugly to the point where people won't really do it.

But I feel like that's like the underlying emotion that a lot of these dudes are kind of feeling, right? I say a lot. Yeah. But it's like I said, only from personal experiences, because even people were in my DMs are like, hey, how are you defending this girl? Who do, what do with the woo? She's, and they'll say like the M word, Maya, you know, and I'm like, I'll block on.

Like, bro, I ain't trying to hear that talk, bro. I said what I said. And I stand by what I said. She can do whatever she wants because that's her choice, her life. A lot of people have that perception. A lot of Mexican families were brought up on that. kind of racism for them. They didn't like it. My grandma didn't like it. I had brought a black girl home and I was like 13 and she had all kinds of derogatory things to say. I still hooked

up with that black girl because she was a home girl from my hood. It comes from family. It comes like it's passed down. I say a lot of people thought that way. They just afraid to say it. But I swore I did the video and was like, hey bro, like I call bullcraft on all you foods. You all just mad she sat on a black dude's lap. Like that's not even cool. Like we're always talking about protecting each other and supporting each other. But when when our own people do something that we don't like, all of a sudden it becomes a was a problem. Like y'all supported her left and right.

I was like, you know, she was like the Mexican icon, a Mexican singer for her. She was a representation of us until that. And then that's when I started reading all the comments on it. And I just defended her like, bro, like she's more than welcome to do whatever she wants. And whoever she wants, like who will we dictate that? Because I guarantee you every single fool that I was talking smack about her, if she would let him hit, they would hit in a heartbeat. Oh, yeah.

But because of now, she sat on a black dude's lab, it became a big problem. So I just pointed that aspect out to defend her, not knowing or not asking for nothing. and that was it, but to me personally, I just think that's why everybody got mad. And I was like, y'all just showed y'all two colors. Yeah. But without saying it, so I just said it. Like, I'll say it for you since you guys don't want to say it.

Yeah, it was weird because, like, I felt like I was defending her when we talked about it, but then she actually was, like, really, really mad at me. And, like, one of the things I said is, like, I don't think she f*** them. Like, I feel like if she pussed them, it would probably come off differently. That there would just be something different.

It would take a lot more for me to assume that that's what they were doing in this room at that moment. You know, it looked like they were filming content for social media. The one thing that I thought was like, from her perspective was just kind of goofy, was just the fact that she was like talking about taking 20 shots. Like, I don't even really believe that because 20 shots is so much that I think she would probably be passed out on the ground if she took 20 shots. But like, you know, if you're a girl, like, all right, if you're a girl rapper and you're going

Oh, those women I hear that can out drink men. So let's not. Oh, yeah, it's possible. That just sounds crazy to me. Especially like, bro, she don't look like she eats too much. She's like, she's pretty skinny. Like, she don't really, I don't think she got enough room for 20 shots of tequila in her body. But whatever.

It's like, if you're a female and you're going to be going around a star rapper, it's very, very important for you to make it clear that you are in the rapper category, the entertainer category and not the whole category. Because we all know that blue face got bitches beating down his door trying to f*** them. And that most big rappers do. and I feel like Jenny, from a, from an optics perspective, if she wanted to do some content with a blue face, maybe you could sit on his lap a little bit,

but as soon as you're talking about taking 20 shots and shit, you're starting to look like a little bit of a fan girl. And I don't really blame the fans for assuming that she was a hoe in this situation. I feel like she wasn't really being mindful enough about how this was going to look. But that being said, like, I also don't really think that she was just this dude. But I do think she was acting a little bit too. much like a ho in the situation. I mean, behavior says a lot.

Yeah. But like I said, like, everybody's going to make that assumption and I jump to the conclusions. But like, bro, that's her life, her body, her choice, however she gets there, whatever she had to do to get there, even if it was just, hey, let's make content. Because to me, I look at it like, bro, he's a big face. Yeah.

She also is a big face. Even if that was just for content purposes, look at how I got people talking. And that's how easy it was for all of us to start talking. I've seen my brother do it. Like, he can do that. He knows how to do like the art of insinuation to get people talking and get people going.

I've seen YouTubers do it. I've seen Myron Gaines do that. That's just how I look at it. Like it was just a publicity stunt to get people talking and it did. It helps her numbers. It helps his numbers. If anything happened after like,

you know, bedroom secrets, that's between them, you know. The thing, though, is that if she wants to like troll and do something to get attention and it also is like kind of making her look bad, well, you need to offset that with content, like with getting people to actually listen to your song or whatever.

Like if they did that, that live, and then the music video dropped two days later of them together, then I'd be looking at like, oh, that's smart right there. She just got all this attention on her and then dropped music to go along with it. And that was basically the promotional rollout. But it didn't really feel like that to me. It actually felt like she was just a drunk woman who was really, really impressed by being around a rapper. But, you know, hey, whatever she wanted to do. Yeah, I couldn't even pay her to pay attention to me, to be honest with you.

because she's one of the baddest in California that I think that got it going. And that's what I said too. I said out of this whole Ross scene, you tell me which girl's hotter than her that actually got some motion and cloud or something that she's doing for herself. I mean, it's tough.

Yeah, I mean, like hot physical, sexy-wise, you know, Bella, the rapper, she's cool. There's a girl from the 559 who has, she got his million of views on YouTube, but she doesn't have a big following like her. Okay. She's, I think his name is Carla, 559, look her up. She's beautiful, too.

I'm just saying for her as a big rap. representation she is to me that's all I see I don't see all the extracurricular stuff people talk about it's like man she's a beautiful girl and then I couldn't get the time of day I couldn't get her to pay attention to collab or do a video so I just defended her because I just felt like what Swift he said was like bro like why you got to go that low like all just because you sat on the black dude's lap all of a sudden you hate it I'm like bro just keep that shit real and just say why you hating on her that is it and I's all that's the only reason I even spoke on that because I barely ever I don't think I've

ever mentioned her or talked about her other than that time and that's it for sure. All right. Yo, Jay, I appreciate you coming through. It was great to have a conversation. This is the longest one I did in a long time. For it? You're like three and a half hours or something, right?

Yeah. Three and a half? Yep. Appreciate it. That's a while. Yeah. Appreciate it, though, man. For real.

And I think that you are, as an atheist, I feel comfortable saying, I think you're doing the Lord's work by letting these kids know what they're in for if they decide to take on a life of gang bang and, you know, just putting the information out there is very beneficial. and, you know, if I had a 16, 17-year-old son, it was kind of on the cusp of maybe being in the streets or whatever, it would be great to be able to say, like, watch this dude's videos. Like, he knows a lot more than you.

Yeah, that's all I'm trying to do. But eventually I'm going to broaden my horizon. I'm just taking my time right now. Like, the new year is going to be a new beginning. I'm going to figure it out. I got a month to figure out what I'm going to do. If not, I'm just going to walk away and be like, all right, I did my best I could. That's interesting that you're thinking of hanging it up before.

Usually people get out of the content game because people stop. paying attention but you seem like you're kind of dead set on putting an end to it yourself when your time is right i'm just waiting i'm just trying to up the levels bro like i don't want to sit here and just be i've been doing this for three years in the same spot like this is a big opportunity for me being on no jumper glad might be a big opportunity like i'm looking for them doors to finally open they haven't opened yet so i'm still working but if i don't see them opening i'm like hey i did my best bro people are going to remember me and i'm just going to go back to being just a regular joe my job pays good so you know i wish the best hope so

God has a plan. That's it. Respect. Well, okay, Jay. Appreciate you, man. Thanks. Much love. Much love. I appreciate it, man. Thanks. Check my guy out on YouTube. We'll put the link in the description. No John Burr, coolest podcast in the world. Check us on YouTube, TikTok, SoundCloud, X-Sah. We're not on. SoundCloud anymore.

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