No Jumper - Flakko Interrogates Lil Man J About Being a Culture Vulture

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

Flakko came prepared, no holds barred, when asking Lil Man J about his lyrics being cap or not, his background, black culture, and more. So much so that management felt the need to intervene. ----- 00:00 Intro 1:30 Lil Man J says he's completely independent  2:20 Lil Man J says one of his chains is fake, Flakko is shocked but appreciates the honestly 3:35 Flakko says the fake one looks better than the real one 4:30 Lil Man J grew up with several medical conditions: Distal Arthrogryposis, Scoliosis, Cleft Palate, and Club foot 6:32 Flakko asks if Lil Man J ever felt trapped inside his body, parallel with his speech impediment experience 8:50 Haters in high school are ruthless, then kids switch up when you have clout  9:20 This girl used to ignore Lil Man J, said she didn't have time for him, now she says she has time, J hung up on her 10:31 Lil Man J says he can't handle fat ***, the ratio won't work, Flakko asks "How big is 'it' " 11:25 J shows with his hands: "Looks like 2 or 3 inches" 14:20 Flakko asks why Lil Man J doesn't like white women, J likes Mia Khalifa type 15:35 Flakko recognizes that Lil Man J is not an industry plant, however, labels sometimes act like someone aint signed and built a fake success story  16:45 Lil Man J explains why he's not an industry plant, says he started when he was 13, making songs on garage band 18:30 In 2021, Lil Man J was inspired by Polo G, mesmerized by his success so he went in on the social media research, how to promote etc, how to use Tiktok etc 20:00 His Tiktok about saving money on gas is the first clip that kinda started catching waves, few weeks later he used that momentum and added his own music and it blew up  21:10 Lil Man J explains how to go up on social media, good title, keep it short like 7 seconds 26:40 The "Cap Freestyle" that really blew him up, says a lot of it in the rap game is 27:45 Flakko printed the lyrics and wants to break them all the way down! 28:15 Flakko asks: Has anybody ever RIP from making the wrong move towards you?"  28:59 "What hood did Lil Man J reside in?" + Flakko asks why he feels the need to add the "hood" aspect to it when he hasn't lived it 31:00 J says he's working on new music that's gonna be more true to him 31:44 Flakko calls him a vulture using the street angle to get on 32:20 Lil Man J says it's just a smart move even though he struggles to answer, then retorts with something besides the point: "I can't rap like that forever, I don't wanna be known as the Lil Baby clone" 34:50 Lil Man J, are you a culture vulture?  36:42 Lil Man J says he's giving back to the community, $20 here and there, Flakko calls cap, J gets flustered: "I guess that one didn't work" 38:00 Lil Man J says he doesn't owe anything to the streets, says he stopped rapping about the streets, so he doesn't need to give back  40:15 Flakko says Lil Man J profits off the real-life struggle of people from the streets 41:10 Lil Man J says he's down to give 10% of the proceeds from his music back to the streets + Flakko says he's gonna follow up on that  43:20 Flakko suggests giving back to Tariq Nasheed's school and other charities 43:55 Lil Baby acknowledging Lil Man J, thinks he was a little diss even though he was already tryna transition from the "street shit", J says: "I don't think he F with me" 45:10 Some may say Lil Man J is responsible for Lil Baby falling off 48:22 Flakko quizzes Lil Man J about hip hop music history, J can only think of 2 songs by Pac, he's only 18  49:45 The manager intervenes saying Flakko is going too hard on Lil Man J - Flakko says he's prepping J, Ebro will ask way worst questions, J asks: "What the F is a Ebro?" 51:05 Lil Man J says the Island Boys stole his song, and 21 Savage stole another song 52:20 Lil Man J says he kinda also made that up with the Island Boys as well, but bought the beat exclusively so they can't do anything  55:43 New projects in 2024  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper coolest podcast in the world man and we're back man. That's what fact. With Lord Man Jay. What's up my boy? Bro, how you feel it, man? I feel great man, I can't even lie. I woke like an hour ago and I lit this f***, man. An hour ago?

Yeah, man. Got, wait, wait, wait, bro, wait. Like, how long was your night that you, that, like, it's like 10 a.m. right now. So, like, how long was your night that, like, you slept for like 10 hours? I ain't sleep for no 10 hours, my boy. I was, you know, I was over in the studio working this. Got back home, had a little fun, and I had to go to sleep. I didn't go to sleep.

It's like three, three, four. And, like, what exactly are you, like, currently working on? Man, I'm working on the project, but I'm not really trying to be on the same shit that I was on before. You know what I mean? Like, I've been kind of expanding, like, how I rap. I've been kind of expanding, like, the flows that I'm using. I'm just kind of experiment right now because I don't want my album just be all like, hey, man, I appreciate that. But I don't want my album to be all like, yeah, just rap and track.

So I'm really expanding on like singing because I've done that a few times. So I'm just trying to perfect my album and I'm gonna drop that. That's what I'm working on. Man, hey, bro, hey, see, like I can see, right? So like it's an interesting thing, right? Like when like you have like artists like transition from like the TikTok bag, the like YouTube bag, right? So now you get some real life money now.

You feel me? Like that's a real life money right there my brother. Just a little bit, man. You feel me? Yeah, just a little bit. You signed yet? Hell, no, we're completely independent, my boy. Completely independent.

It's going to stay like that for a minute, too. Yeah. Wait, so if you're independent, right? So, okay, so then, like, how do you get the bag then? Like, how does somebody, like... You get the bag more whenever you're independent, my brother. What? Like, you just, what, like, just revenue from the songs, revenue, like, how do you get

to the bag as an independent artist? Well, you really, it depends, like, how much you want to work. Like, I'm about to start a clothing brand. I already have a few, like, this. designs made. I have a few shirts printed and shit like that. And then I also been on the Snapchat grind recently. They're paying like a... I just had a meeting with them the other day because I'm, I got verified. I'm making money off that. And then streams and then, um, investments in it too. That just really being smart with your money. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Just they're just blowing all that shit because you got some. Now, facts. And like, how much that cost? This? Yeah. No, no. No, the chain. Come on there. The chain. Yeah, of course, the chain. Come on. The show. The show. The shirt there. Look at my shirt, you want to know

about the chain? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I think this one was like, I think this was like, 35, if I'm never correctly. And then this one, this one, fake is my brother. Oh, wait, that's fake? This one right here.

Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, so, wait, pause. So, why wear the fake chain with the real chain? Because my boy. Why the fuck with us? spend 70,000 whenever I can spend like 35 and like $200 people ain't going to know the difference my brother wait they they're both look real don't they're both fake no I said this one yeah that's real wait but bro I'll be a hundred percent of one I appreciate the the honesty right two but the fake one looks better than a real one though you ain't just say that my boy for real for real You day so?

The fake one is big baguettes. Yeah, right like, right like and it's shining. You day, sir? Yeah, wait. Wait, hold up. So, like, you pay how much for the fake one? Like, only a few hundred.

What, like $3,500? $500? $500. Because I need, I'm in, like, $800. Like, $800. It's moist tonight. And listen, that's interview, right?

You tell me where. You tell me, my. You want some jip, my brother? Though, where can I get the fake ones, bro? Hey, man. You feel like, bro? I need that, though. I can hook you up, man.

Man. All right, so you're from, what here? So, like, you were born in North Carolina, but does somebody end up in South Carolina? Yeah, how'd that happen? Yeah, I was, technically, I was just born in a hospital in North Carolina. Yeah. And then I was straight in South Carolina.

Oh, word. Yeah, I'm like the very tippy top of South Carolina. I'm only, like, 20 minutes from Charlotte. Oh, word. So I just tell everybody, like, I'm from Charlotte. You know what? And, like, you actually, like, had a bunch of, like, illnesses, right? Like, as a kid?

Yeah, I technically, I call them medical conditions. Yeah, okay. A lot of people call them, like, disability. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't disable me from doing nothing. So. Not faths. So I got dystoposis, which, if you see my fingers right here, you know how, like, put your hand out, my brother.

You see how you see how you got the little lines right here in your fingers? I ain't got that. You see that right there? So I can't bend my fingers. I ain't got no joints. So that's the distorato groposis. It keeps me from, like, bang. my elbow all the way out too.

Yeah. And then I also have scoliosis, and then I have cleft palate, and then I have bilateral club foot. So that's, like, whenever I was born, my feet, my toes turned all the way up to my ankle. I had to wear a cast for the first, like, a few years of my life. I can only take them off, like, once a week. And I had a cleft palate, and that's why I, like, speak out of my nose. So that's why I sound so nasper my voice.

Ah. I have to rasping my voice. man wow man so like walking through this right so like what do things like start to like get better than right

because right now like you walk in fine you know right right like right so like when did like I guess like the four critical conditions start to get you know like a talent better where you can actually like move around now and walk around and man honestly the scoliosis

never hasn't affected me yet I feel like that's gonna affect me like long later down the line yeah of course I feel like like that the club foot that was done after like the first few years after I took the cast off I was able to walk pretty well I had a surgery in seventh grade I had these like I had these like nails screws in my foot to like keep it flat and so it took

those out whenever I was in seventh grade but I was fine up until then from like three years old to seventh grade and then so that didn't really affect me that much and then um the cleft palate they fixed out like immediately whenever I was born so that was good and then um what else is it The disorder girl poses never really affected me. Well, wait, man. I feel like I don't ever really notice. Have you ever felt trapped inside your body? What the fuck you mean?

Because for me growing up, right? I had like a bad, I'm talking about my listening. Like my speech impediment right now is no bad, but growing up I had a bad speech impediment, right? And like, I just always felt like trapped in a body that I got gave me, right? Cause like, right? Right, right?

You know, because I'm having to deal with these things that kind of like hinders you from kind of, of like, you know, being or, or like feeling normal, right? And just having to, like, walk around with that, right? Like, just as a kid, I just felt, like, trapped, right? You feel me? Right? And just felt like I just couldn't, like, tap into my true potential.

So, like, have you ever felt trapped dealing with the four, you know? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Back in, like, school days. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I walked a little different. I was short.

And kids were brutal. Exactly. Everybody bullying shit. So I hated like just day by day back in school, like walking around it. It was like, damn, I know what you mean now. Yeah, yeah. And you went to a predominantly white school or black school? I feel like it was a good mix.

Mix, okay. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it was a good mix, actually. Man, wait, and then like in high school, like, you were like the what, like the, like the, like the artsy kid, the, the cool kid, the job, the, like, like, Like what type of kid were you man in high school? I was one of them just trying to be cool, man. Yeah. I was like trying to be cool. I tried to get myself in with all the cool kids and shit like that.

Just trying to be. I feel like I was honestly trying to be someone or not. I was not back in school because that's why, like, literally because I felt trying to sign my own body. I was trying to get in with all the cool people and shit. So that people would see me as like normal, I guess, you know what I mean? Mm. You were like the one.

Like you weren't like a cool kid, but you were like, you know, like a kid who were like, Like you like you just in the mix like I was like well known Oh popular yeah I want to say popular yeah everybody knew who I was but when I was But when like oh what up Jack what are you doing it was just like oh yeah I know who that is Was that before rapping or after rap man people hate on the rap back in school mom I didn't you know I rap man word not not not really man hey listen though listen but the one thing that I learn bro is the most hate in exist in high school, right?

Because right now, right, like, you know, like now that I'm somewhat doing my thing, right? You got my ex who's on Facebook, on Twitter, talking about, man, man, listen, bro, and he ain't shit, man, like, that's Frederick, bro. I used to know him, he's not, right? So, like, have you ever, like, seen that, bro? Like, like, like the same who doubted you back in high school

or now, like, you know? Oh, my God, my brother. I just made a damn song about, I said, uh, the same bitch who diss me back in high school. now she want to follow the ground literally i think like since i've been in l-a bro there was a girl never really talked to me i tried to hit her up on like and snapchat and trying to get some things going she just following me back on instagram man oh really just following me back on instagram i had a girl that i was talking to before like everything happened back in like march of

2022 yeah i was talking to her she told me that she ain't have no time no more for like a relationship because she had to work she at school that's always an excuse what happened what's up This is what happened, my boy. What's up? Yep, man. Four months later. She was like, hey, how you doing? I just want to let you know, I got some time now.

Like, I was like, ain't no damn way. You know what I had said? I ain't got no time now, bitch. And I'm not going to. No, that's a, listen, your holes be choosing. You feel me, right? Listen, bro. If you ever hear, it's not you, it's me, it's definitely you.

If you ever hear like, oh, I just don't want a relationship right now. That's like, that just means I don't want a relationship right now. That's like, that just means I don't want to. that relationship with you right hoes we choosing right but now though are the holes a little bit you know are they coming now are they play the fool they come they come what's your type though my buddy oh i love you know what i love man you know i feel that i feel like that's too much for me though no right there'd be too much for me man i like shit i can handle you know what i mean so i'm more i like i like like like like a conno

I'm being good. I like, now with that, now with all the ass, though. Yeah, I just like the, yeah, I like the slim thing. I like the skin tone. I like that mix, like skin tone, like Tina type shit. Yeah. But I don't like everything too big.

I feel like it's too much to handle. I like, well, feeling control a little bit. Wait, so, wait, so like, are you saying that your dick is small? Like, what are you saying? Like, because you don't like the big ass, because you can't handle it. Like, are you saying like, like, you're too, like, small or the dick is small?

Oh, my dick small. How small is your dick? That's what? That's two inches or three? What? No, what? What this is like? No, what?

Wait, though. It's not small, though. This is like what? Let's see. One, two. That's like four inches, like that's one. I'm just playing, man.

Huh? You sure you play? I'm not saying I'm the biggest motherfucker in the world. Like, I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say I got like a fucking shlong, but. Um, yeah, it's not that smaller. But that's not why I can't handle it though. I just feel like, I don't even know how to explain it, man.

I feel like anybody with five inches or more of penis will probably never say, I can't handle it. Right? Right, like, right, like, here, right, right, look, right, because look, right, because look, because we don't see the smallest dudes in any part of my life, like five foot two, right? with like fucking like third legs, right? Who can handle some like thick bitches, right?

So if you're saying that like you can't handle it, that has to mean, you know, the woodpecker ain't probably all the way there, right? Damn, man, what you push me by my dick for? Hey, listen, be real. Listen, like there's people watching, right? Yeah. Who's going through, you know, the same syndrome, right?

you know, of yo, you know, my, you know, my penis are small, you know, right? And like, if they see, like, Lord Man Jay, who's still bagging holes, who's still getting money, who's still going up, if he just comes out, you know, and identify as dumb, you know, you know, don't feel better about themselves. Yeah, but my dick ain't small. All right, so. Oh, man, I just feel like, I would rather have a slim, thick bitch. Mm-hmm.

Not without all that ass jiggling. Yes. than a big ass like ass like on my dick man and that's just how I feel not because my dick's on that like that. That's just how I am. Talk to me, man. What do you like? Me? You like the guy?

Oh, thick. Like, listen. I mean, I don't want no fucking piece of wood like a little two by four but I don't like that much ass. Listen, me personally, bro, I like him built like Correzi. Right? So she's like five foot. eight I'm like

bro, listen bro, like, listen like, she's so thick that even her freaking like like, like a freaking like,

like, like this part right here is massive. Like I like him that thick, right? To where like you're so thick that your pinky is thick to. Yes.

Right? Listen, like the frail skinny bitches? Nah. You feel what I'm? Asked about tight. But wait though. So you said

Colombians. Columbia, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why not white, why not what, like the white women? You know, I'm a man of all kinds, but like, I- Nah, how, well, hell not. You said my type is, it's thick Colombians. Why not white bitches, man? I definitely did not say thick Colombians, man.

We just had a whole conversation about that shit. Because I, I like, I like their skin tone. That's what gets me, my boy. I don't care what the bitch looks like. If she got that skin tone, man? Yeah. I'm going in. I'm going in.

Wait, wait. So what, like the caramel? Like, what's the skin tone? Like me and Kalifa. Oh. Listen, now, listen, you know now, right, that like, as an artist, like the white holes now going, not fuck with you.

Right? And the dark skin girls aren't going to fuck with you either. Right? Guys, I like all you guys. I just like all you guys. like Colombians too. Huh? Man, fast, man.

Yo, I, man, so look, so speak on the grind, man. Because people will say, so here's what I'm going to say, right? Talk to me. I don't believe that you are in industry plan, right? And here's why. Because I can scroll down your, like, feed, right? And I can see the conception of the grind. I mean, I can see he started off here with these numbers,

and he got here through consistent, right? You feel me, right? Hell yeah. Yeah, right. But though, there's been labels in the past, for example, Justin Bieber, where they manufactured this YouTube career for Justin Bieber, right? Right? Say this. And he was already signed.

But they put him on YouTube, put out of ad money behind it and say, oh, look, y'all discovered Justin Bieber on YouTube. No, right? So he was an industry plan, right? But, yeah, yeah, right? So we've seen other people come in and they've been, they've tricked us into thinking there was an organic grind, right? So document your grind, document. How did you get to this point so people don't think that you are an industry player?

Man, so basically, I've been rapping since like I was 13. And so it was kind of like, I feel like it was just kind of something I got into because I was just, inspired from all the music I was listening to like I listened to a lot of rap music growing up yeah and so I was just inspired one day to make a song and from there like I actually enjoyed that shit I played the first beat I immediately came up with the flowing shit so I really enjoyed that shit and then I was I was worked on it I felt like no more than like an hour a week an hour week until I was like 16 I was dropping I dropped a song a month for like the first few months and I stopped because I was like this shit's not working out

And then it was like 2022 20 wait wait wait pause so you start off you made a few songs and then those songs like catch traction or hell no okay And yeah um because I all I did was make it I was I had like the fucking you know the Apple headphones yeah yeah yeah I was on garage band doing this year I had a little pop filter Oh I guess you know I mean yeah you were deep in the trenches my boy that's crazy You know, we're just trying to make it, right? Yeah. And then, um, so that's what I was doing. I dropped my first, like, seven songs. And all I did, though, I didn't know, I didn't know nothing about promotion.

So all I did was drop the song and then posted online my Snapchat story and my Instagram story. And then that was it. I was it. Yeah. And I showed it to my friends around school, that was it. And I just seen that shit. It was like a hundred streams per song.

I was like, all right. Yeah. I mean it just made me not that motivated because I didn't see no real numbers and then Fast forward to 2021 of December it was new year's okay and I was mufflers watching Polo G that's my boy okay okay Polo G man um but anyways I was watching I think it was a song called Fortnite I was watching the music video and he's like half a million cash that's just what I'm feeling like and this motherfucker is in a new mansion in LA with with literally half, like a million dollars cash,

just sitting in this living room. Yeah. I was like, damn. I need that. Exactly. That shit motivated the fuck out of me. So this time, 2020, 2021, I made my new year's resolution. And I was like, I'm going to do this shit different than I did before.

So the first three months of 2022, uh, from January to March, I like research the fuck out of everything, bro. I was watching YouTube videos, how to market your music, how to make good music that people listen to. Like literally everything I could think of. I was just researching that shit. And then, so I kind of learned the algorithms of all the social medias. I learned how to really promote myself.

I was learning all that shit, writing it down. And then I started implementing in April. And I started posting on TikTok, all the social medias and shit. And I literally, luckily, I got my first TikTok to go, like literally a month after I started back. And it wasn't even rap. It wasn't even rap related. Yeah. I posted a video I was with my mom and we was at a gas station and it's remember gas prices

Back home it's only like for gas. Of course. And out here it's like fucking seven which is crazy. But anyway, so he's only like two, three dollars for a gallon of gas and that's whenever the gas price started going crazy and we paid $100 for gas whenever it's normally like 60 And I was like yo that's crazy so I went home and I made TikTok about it. I was literally just like you know I spent $100 on gas like how do you save money on gas and that for whatever reason that shit blew up Not blue up,

blew up for me at the time It got like 60,000 views Okay, like that's neat Exactly And so I was like Okay, now I need to start posting every day I got I got into the Halgram a little bit I need to start getting into it harder

I need a post every day Start posting every day For like the first two, three weeks I need a post rap shit I literally was just posting like story times And like more of things related to gas And then I was like Wait, I need to start

Promote my music Implement my music so that's oh shit that's whenever I started promote my music and literally the first six time I did promote my music it just blew up crazy now that you've sort of

conquered the algorithm on these multiple sites right yeah give back and give game to the people man on what's the formula to really like going crazy on these apps like TikTok YouTube shorts

Snapchat etc etc man it really is just like Like, you gotta have a good hook. You got, either you gotta be talented or you gotta have a good ass hook. Yeah. So like the things I used to do back in the day was like, this is how you make a hit song

in less than 30 seconds. You know what I mean? People are gonna make this motherfucker man a hit song in 30 seconds. Exactly. A little hook to catch people's attention because they're gonna be like, this motherfucker made a hit song in 30 seconds.

Let me watch that. You know what I mean? So you really gotta have a good hook in the first few seconds. and then I wouldn't post long content either like a minute long and then keep the whole video interesting cut don't make don't make clips more than like six eight seconds because people are going to lose their attention

because motherfuckers got short attention spines nowadays so you got to really keep people's attention by just keeping the clips quick back back blah blah I was like this I make a song 30 seconds cut I was rapping two seconds cut this is the song you know what I mean Gotcha. Yeah, so you gotta be quick. You gotta keep people's attention and have a good hook. And like how often, like, did you post in?

Did you have a schedule for posting when you, you, like, blew up? Yeah, yeah, that's another thing, is, I feel like it's not that big of a deal as some people make it. Because I literally just post out, like, one or two or three, like every day. Yeah. But I feel like it's still good to have, like, a schedule time to post because it just makes yourself. like more um oh damn what's the word i don't even know but it just keeps you on like a good schedule maybe start posting every day at a certain time and it keeps you from stressing about like oh shit i didn't post a video today of course so i just post at 530 every day because i feel like that's

the best time people are getting off of work everybody's at school and then they just watch that tic-tok right whenever they get out everybody on tic-tok whenever they get at school or whenever to get off work they're trying to chill now facts man now speak about trends right so should people People hop on trends in terms of like making videos and like how do they know like what trend to hop on or Should they just ignore trends and try to create you know like these you know like these like unique You know like like like masterclasses and like time pieces you know it depends what you're going for Yeah if you're trying to be a dancer on TikTok if you want to be like an influencer And then you can start paving your own way

And when you're trying to, I feel like this is how I look at it. It depends what you want to be. But I feel like the best way to do it is you follow the trends to start with. See how people are doing. See how people are blowing up. That's how you start. And then you start paving your own path because it's going to be nobody's going to watch. Nobody's going to want to watch a new artist trying to do his own shit from the very beginning.

I feel like you got a copy of the trends and shit to really get your name out there a little bit. And then you can start expanding. That's like that's what I did. Of course. And I feel like that's the best way to do it, especially with social media, because people are going to watch what's going on right now in the industry. Or, like, people are going to watch what's going on TikTok more than they're going to watch, like, a new artist trying to put a song out there.

Yeah, but facts, man. Here, so let's talk about this, right? So you were in South Carolina, right? Yeah. And how far is that from Atlanta? Atlanta? Four hours. Okay, so, like, it's sort of close.

Yeah. Yes, right? Yeah, right? Because people might say, this kid from my South Carolina, he, he, he, he, a South Savage, baby. So talk about character development. How did you grow into the person that you are right now? Was it like just through watching people on the internet?

Or did the people that you hang out with and talk to were they like, you know, like the southern gaysas as well? Yeah, I would say like I had a very like I would say more like I hung out with more of the I'm not word this I didn't really have a lot of white friends growing up. I always say that it was more it was more black people that I was hanging out with growing up so I feel like that's really what influenced me differently than just more white people so that's how I got into like the rap and stuff like that. Yeah, because like you started listening to rap at 10 years old, right?

Despite your parents saying nah, you feel me, right? Yeah. Yeah, right. So at 10 years old, that kind of like mold you, like for example, right, were you ever a suburban white kid who, who like did not listen to rap? Like who is just like a normal suburban white kid or since the age of 10 years old, you, like you was always. Just more driven towards the urban culture. Yeah, I, yeah, since then I was always driven towards it, urban culture, just because that's what I listen to. Of course.

And that's what I watch on the fucking YouTube, the music videos, all that shit. Yeah. And the people I hung out with, that's just how I grew up, I feel like, you know what I mean? Of course, man. So, okay, so then, like, speak on a cap freestyle, because I feel like that blew you up, like heavy. Hell yeah. Yeah, right? So, so, like, what's the concept of the cap freestyle?

Because the word cap is in it, right? So like, are you saying like, yo, all this shit is cap? Like, what's the concept of the cap freestyle? I was saying not all of his cap, but a lot of his cap. And just really the main reason, it was just kind of like a play along with the haters and shit. I was just on Sing Side Live. I was showing everybody. I was making a song, blah, blah, blah.

Everybody was like, just through captions, he's not really about that. Like, blah, blah, blah. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to play with him a little bit. And I call it cap freestyle. You know what I mean? Because, I mean, a lot of it is cap. So it was like, it makes it true. And it just makes people talk a little bit more.

It's like, oh, this motherfucker called a song Cap freestyle. He's capping in the whole damn song. You know what I mean? Of course. We'll talk a little more. Just add that little extra virality to it. What's cap and what's real? In the song?

Yeah. Oh, my God, my boy. You want me to go through every lyric, man? I look. So look, here, here. Talk to me, man. Talk to me, man. Talk to me. Yeah, so we got here, right, cap right?

Okay, okay. So, okay. Okay, so the intro is run up the city, you know that we turn up, I run with the balls, you get caught with a burner. Have you ever got caught with a burner? And I ain't ever got caught with a burner, my boy. So that's cap? Yeah. Damn, brother, what's, I bet.

Just keep going. I think there's at least a few in any cap, my boy. I look. So, okay, so let's go. So pull up with a beam in the SRT. Yeah, cop a new whip. She all on me. Trying to act black, but I'm white as can be.

Yeah, I'm the white little baby. No one harder to me. Make the wrong move. Now is RIP. Has anybody ever RIP for making the wrong move move at you? No. No? I bet.

So let's go. I would say no one's harder than me is not capped up. No, right. But like, I just read like 95% So far And 95 is Capp. I caught a cap free sign on my boy. How about this one?

I caught up to me, man. Look, all right, look. Cop a new watch for every time I didn't have it. Come from the mud. Now they got to say I'm really capping. Trying to make it out of the hood keep rapping. What hood did Little Man J. resided? You know.

Like, what hood? One or? Huh? None? Okay, so far It's cat. I live on a late man, I didn't go for no hood What I say that did?

You know What? I feel like that's just what I was influenced by. So it's just kind of how I talked. No, no, no, no. No, right here, right? So look, right? So look.

So look. Dressing how you dress, yes, right? Talking how- You like this shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? I appreciate it. Talking how you talk, yes, that's you. You feel what you, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like what you like, that's you, and nobody can take that way from you, right? Feel me, right? Yeah. But coming from the hood, holding a beam, like, that's not you, meaning like those are just clear-cut fabrications. So why do you feel like you like you like you like had to say that to blow up?

I didn't feel like I had to say to blow up. I feel like this is kind of how I viewed it Last year I grew up this to a lot of rap music and I felt like it It didn't seem to me like what the people are talking about they really live this life because I feel like they would be in jail by now if they really live this life or something like that Like just to be able to talk about it in your songs they're pretty much like snitching on themselves It was like they'd be in fucking jail right now. So I just seemed, I thought everything was cap. And I was kind of following.

That's what we were talking about earlier, following the trend. Following what everybody's talking about. That's what I did right there. So I was talking shit that I heard other people's songs. I never pulled up with a beam in the SRT. Well, I thought I probably heard that in the song before. It was like, oh, that shit, I'm going to say that. So I was just following the trends, really, with that song.

But I will admit, I mean, I will say that I learned from that. And recently, like, that's why I was saying about my album and shit. Like, that's why it's been so delayed. I was supposed to drop it last year, but I've really been working on, like, expanding, expanding the type of music where I make, experimenting and really speaking, like, truth, how I feel what I've really gone through and stuff like that, because I really, I realize, like, how much it means. So to talk about, like, yourself and, like, really what you've gone through,

and not just random shit that don't relate. Now, people may say, though, right, that, like, that's the pulse more loan, like, the like the formula, right, which is come, get hot, get popping, off the street shit, off the urban shit, and then transition to the rock star, pop star shit as soon as you get on. So what's your response then, like, to folks saying, Brad, like, you just use the, like, the street shit to, to, like, get on. And now that you're on, you're now transitioning into the rock and pop star shit. I feel like if they if they if they actually understand this shit they'll be like

oh he's smart as fuck but people that are just watching they probably just don't understand that I feel like that's a hard answer a question to answer my boy I just feel yeah yeah I feel like it just depends how you feel this is how I want to move away from it a little bit of course no listen rush a little bro like we listen I can't rap like that forever that's why of course That's why right there. I can't rap like that forever. Yeah.

You know what I mean? So I have to expand myself. I have to experiment otherwise. Everybody's going to know me as a fucking kid that blew up or something like little baby forever. Yeah, man. I can't have that shit. Yeah, bro. Bro, look at here, bro.

Listen, like we acknowledge you are smart as hell, right? Smart as fuck. And the music itself is undeniable, meaning like, obviously, like, little man Jay makes phenomenal great music. Right? Like, right, like, dude, like, dude knows how to rap, right? You have me up, man. I appreciate that. No, no, no, no.

Bro, listen, no, right? It's true, though. You know how to rap. That's uneniable, right? But now, right? But, right? But, like, now it was kind of like, I. He started off with the rap shit.

Like, he is capping 100%. He's taking stories that, you know, that, you know, that he's like kids, right? who grew up in the urban cities and the hood actually like lived, right? He's taking it and he's profiting from their pain and their trauma essentially. So like when you hear that, what's your response and why do you think that you should be able to monetize and profit from those lyrics that, you know, that like you in list? That's a good ass question. I feel like I never looked at it like that.

And as I was growing as an artist, I started understanding that more. That's why I moved on. I feel like I just kind of leave all that shit in the past. I feel like that's the thing of the past, you know, talking about shit that I'm not really about. And I just move on from that.

So that's what I gotta say about that. I just feel like I moved on. Of course. I don't got much say about the profit and shit from that. But yeah, man, look, Russell, biggest question is this then, right? So folks may say that, Little Men, Jay, are you a culture vulture?

What you mean? So here, right? Here, right. Here, right. So, okay. So a culture of vulture is described as somebody who comes into a culture, right? They profit from it and don't really like give back equally. Nah, no, I wouldn't say, I mean, I did not grow up in the hood and shit like that.

I was around people that did live that life and grew up like that. Of course. That's kind of what influenced me because I mean, I've seen that shit. Like, you know, I've seen people holding guns. I've seen people shoot. You know, I mean, I grew up with that shit, although because of the people I hung out with. So I wouldn't say I'm a culture of social, because that's really how I grew up. Yeah.

As far as, like, the people I hung out with. But me personally, I didn't live that life. So I wouldn't say I'm a culture vulture just because of that aspect right there and No, no, no, no, right? So here, right? So here, right? So essentially like what like a culture vulture is, right? Is you profit from a culture or hair, for example, you wrap about the hood and profit from it, but don't give back equally. Meaning like what like what has low man jay done for the streets, right, that makes it okay for him to profit from it.

I get back. What, what, like, through like what? No, listen, right? Here, right? Like, listen, bro, like, like, we're not trying to, like, from corner you, right? No, no, no, no.

I know what you mean, you're just wondering. You do want to. Yeah, right, right. So, if you're like giving back, explain how, you feel me, right? So, so there's a lot of shit I do. For like all the videos I do as far as like listen to my music, I'll give you $20. Yeah.

I feel like that's giving back right there. Man, come on, Joe. Come on, Jay. What? Gee, I can listen. Keep listening, man. Little man, Jake, 20 bucks to my homeless folks who listen to your music that you clip and put on TikTok a profit from it doesn't really like equate to you give it back to the street from the street.

Hold on, man. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me, let me explain. Talk a little bit more than I guess I guess that one didn't work. So I also

Like you asked my boy the other day there was a girl out here in LA She was sitting on a gas station right before I walked into the studio I gave her like $20 You know this off-camera shit I really do get back to those people because like I Understand the situation of course I know everybody can start winning there's a little bit of motivation They need to get up a little bit so I really give back to those people I bought my boy a fucking chain. Now, I'll be doing shit for my people because, like, you know what I mean? Okay,

yes. So I would say I give back and shit like that, right? That's fair. Not a $20 to listen to my music. I guess that was a bad example, but... Yes. I... Okay, so what do you feel like you you owe the streets or owe the hood? You know, I only think about that shit, my boy.

Why not? Because, like, I feel like... Because I don't talk about that shit no more in my music. So you stopped talking about it like completely when whenever it was it was brought up to me by my boy Needo who he needo he does Braids and stuff on TikTok Yeah, his name's Juan Costano. It was brought up to me by him and my boy 20 and I'm gonna do look Jay you can grow a little bit by talking about shit you

not about people won't know that but eventually you're gonna have to really start talking yourself because that's whenever the people are gonna feel the lyrics more and they had to tell me that shit multiple times because I didn't really listen in the beginning but I would say over the past few months I realized like they're right like they're really right like now whenever I show people my music like damn bro you're talking your shit I really feel that of course and I know you wait wait and that was like window like like was that before or after the safe december shit? Oh, none of the songs I've dropped recently

have shown that besides at me now. What? As far as like moving away from talking about coming from and shit like that. But Jay, wait though, right? Wait though, so they're like, why don't you like, wait, I, but Jay.

Talk to me, man. If Nina told you this shit like months ago, right? Yeah. Then, like, why did you, like, like, still drop music that has that in it? Because the shit's hard. But, Jay, you have to give back, though, right? Right? Right.

Hey, right. Here, right? For example, right? Look. So, there's people who are dying from being in the streets and being in the hood, right? Who has had their life permanently fucked up? they look at you like oh he's monetizing from our stories

and he's never been here like he's never seen this he's never lifted himself he's not affected by the place that come with it why is little man Jay able to get millions of followers on TikToks and profit from it

without giving us a large percentage of that yeah I mean you're right I already got nothing to say to that Yeah. Besides, like, that's why I recently... Stop.

Stop. No. No, no, no. That's why you recently stopped. Yeah, exactly. That's why I recently stopped because I have completely realized that and I had to move on from that shit. But I will say, I made too many damn songs, too many fire songs with that shit in it.

That's what I'm doing. I'm dropping that shit now. Yeah. I'm dropping that shit now. and then like And will the proceeds go to The hood the streets You know give back

You know do like you know Like you know like you know You know what? Now that you're saying that shit It will It will I like that Fuck it What

Let's do Like My accountant was in here right now So we can I would say I would say Like I'll tell you this shit right now I probably get 10%

Wait, wait, wait, pause. Come on, man. Wait, pause, Jay. You are 100% independent, right? Yeah. So, all the money goes to you. So, right? Yeah.

Right, so, after you pay your staff, why not do at least 50-50? Of the profits, again. My brother. Of the profits were not the general payers. Hey, you must not know how much this shit costs, man. No, with the profits I said, right? Meaning, like, I thought you pay off the business.

Bill of all the profit. Yeah, you feel me? Yeah, yeah, I'll give them 10%. How about, how about 50? You have to show, show, bro. I fuck with that. But of what? Of songs in the past?

Are the songs that I'm dropping the next few months that have that shit down there. Yeah, right, yeah, right. So look, right. I'll get 50% of profit. I'll tell you this shit right now. I'll get that shit right now. Hey, and listen.

we will be listen I will follow up right and like I want to know who this money went to where did it go you feel what I'm shoot I'll give it to you to spread it out hey listen cool

yes right or right or listen there's this guy called to Rikinashid there are right right and he like has a you know like a black history museum right, right? And he can use, you know, donations. Or, yo, there's these communities, right?

In like South Carolina, right? The impoverished, right? Where, like, you know, like you can give, you know, like the cash to like local community leaders. What's poverty? No, impoverished, right? Meaning like, you know, they're poor. Oh, poverty.

Yeah, right? Yeah, right? So, like, right? So, like, you can give, you know, those funds to those local leaders and they can distribute it, you feel me? Okay, okay. Right. But past that though, man.

All right. So, Lo Baby. Respotted to you. Well, like, well, he acknowledged you. And the first thing he said was, is this parody or is this for real? How did you take that as a diss or him showing love? Like, looking at it, I think it was a diss. But in the moment, that was, whenever he said that shit, that was the moment that I was kind of transitioning from the little baby shit into myself as an artist.

So at that point, it was just like, okay, he responded, cool. I really not. I took that shit with like a grain of song. I didn't think anything about it. But looking back at it, it was like, okay, that had a little bit of a dis. Or definitely was a dis. This? Damn.

Definitely a dis, man. Damn. Definitely a dis. And he hasn't reached out yet to work or to, like, you know, to show love or what? I don't think he's fucked with me. No? Why not? You saw what he said, man.

I don't think he even fuck with me. Well, I could, okay. So do you feel like, you went overboard like trying to be him I don't think so okay I thought I could that shit all in a perfect time I feel like I maybe fucks for me now but I feel like he's just gonna give it some more time to see if I'm gonna keep kind of riding hit the same type of rap rap rhyme scheme all that I feel like he's gonna give it some time but I feel like he doesn't like not like me but now hey listen

Some may say though that low man Jay is single-handedly responsible for little baby falling off, right? Cause, hey, and listen, though, because, like, you came and dropped songs that sounded better than most, you know, than most baby songs. I appreciate that, man. Right? Right. Right. So. That's why I said, no one harder than me.

Hey, wait, wait, wait. Do you mean that, though? like there's like there's there's there's like nobody harder than you like at all there's uh there's definitely people harder to me so so so wait so i can't but wait but wait wait though right but wait though right but bro listen talk to me man right but bro you should never ever say there's somebody else harder than you bro right well i just like being honest Jay You are a white rapper in hip hop

Yeah They're gonna try to attack you from all corners You like you Like you have to at least have like Like confidence to say nah I'm the goal See I let the music talk for itself

And I know I'm the goat But I'm not gonna say that shit Okay I'm not gonna say that shit I don't want people thinking I'm cocky I'm too I think I'm him I know I'm

be the best. I just keep that shit to myself because I know. You know what I mean? So I'm going to let the music speak for itself and then keep the cockiness, quote unquote, to myself. Okay. So when you just told me, though, that you know there's people harder than you. Because you lied to me then or now? What I lied to you about now? That you've been a goat. But then you just told me though that there's people harder, harder than you. There is. So. So. My boy, my boy, there's always going to be people that's doing more or doing better than you. Always.

How you do a goat then? My boy. Lou Wayne, you named Lou Wayne's a goat? Hell nah, Drake the goat to me. Drake is. You only got one goat. Yes. Greatest of all time, right?

It means, yeah, goats, right? Oh, wait, hold up, though. Are you saying that you are one of the goats in his hip-hop shit? Yeah. Yeah, because I feel like I would call Polo Gia goat. Oh my God, my fault. Yeah. I feel like I would talk.

I would tell Polo Gia goat. I would say Drake's ago. I would say Lil Wains ago. I feel like there's more goats than just one. Technically not, but like if you're being like greatest of all time, obviously, there can only be one greatest of all time. But I think there's multiple. So I'm one of the goats. And what has low men?

Soon to be. Oh, okay, sooner be, not yet. Mm-mm. I bet. And who's your goal? Apologi. The, where, the goat? Yo, wait.

Like, have you done, like, your history and on hip-hop? Like, have you, like, you know, like, watch them, you know, like, listen to, like, some, like, biggie shit, some J-G shit? Some, like, Raqqqqqq. Well, I'm out here. I'm out here, LA. I'm listening to live and die in L.A. by Tupac. A word. Oh.

You know, I'm out here. I listen to a little bit. But I'm, Polo G. I, that's my boy. What's your top three like Pock songs? Pop? No, Pock. Pock.

Yeah. Straight balling. Live and die in L.A. And, hmm. That's all I know. You only know two, two, two, two, two pop songs? Bro, how old are you? 18.

You're 18 years old. All right. That's understandable. Right? Man, I feel like you just got to give me a minute to think. I could probably think of some more that I listen to, but that's all that comes off the top of the head. And do you feel like you now being a rapper that like you like have to like,

you know, like start diving deeper into like the history now? Being a rapper, how to dive it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A little bit. I feel like as far as building myself as an artist, I do. Oh, sure.

My phone? Yeah. It's off. Let me see. Oh. What's the second? Oh, what's it? What?

What? What? Who's that we're digging? A word? Wait, let me see. Who's that word digging, man? Hey. Huh?

Nah, no, no, come on that, bro. My phone's off. Wait, let me see. Let me see. Yeah, let me see. Yeah, bro. What? Oh, where?

Do you feel like We're going too hard on you, man? Nah, I just look at an interview. I'm just, yeah, right? Yeah, right? Bro, listen, right? Bro, look, right? So look, bro, like, listen, like me, right?

I'm a nice guy, right? But, like, if you go and, like, talk to, like, the e-bros and the Charlottomones, yeah, right? What the fuck is the e-br? Like, he's probably 97? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, right? You feel me?

Yeah, right. Them, right? Or like Joe Budden, right? You talk to those guys. They're gonna like, you know, you feel like me, like, go like 20 times harder like to me, right? You feel me? Right?

So, like this interview like has to prepare you for what you have coming up, right? Feel me? Especially, bro, being a white rapper in hip-hop, nigger, you have to have tough skin, you feel me, right? me right so so do do you feel attack right now or like are they tripping I feel like they're tripping I don't really do too many interviews so I just answering your shit in fact you feel me I look I feel like you just trying to understand me a

little bit more yeah yeah right now I so you said that the Island boys stole stole your song which I definitely agree But they used a 21 Savage and stole your shit. Now listen, the, like the Island Boys are who I personally consider no talent, dweaves and nickum poops. You feel me? Mm-hmm. But 21 Savage now.

Come on, bro. That's what I'm talking about, my boy. You know how I said grabbing people's attention earlier? That's all it is, my brother. Mm. All right? That's all it is. Wait.

I know he ain't steal my damn boy. I probably listen to 50 songs that say something about lining up about Domino's and shit. Yeah. I just use that. That's a little eye catch. You know how many views that she got? Like 15 million. Yo.

Across all platforms. Yo. Like, it went dumb viral. Like, it wasn't super viral. Like, hell of viral. You feel what I'm? Now, now listen, though. Like the Island Boys, though,

I for sure. I for sure think those little two dewees was in their apartment after fucking each other and said, yo, low man J bars. Oh, so he said this. Let's repeat it. Because those niggins, those niggas, right? So, so.

You know what's crazy? What's up? I realize after I posted that TikTok, that they posted their song with that beat before I even made freestyle. Oh, really? Wait, hold up now. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, pause. So, wait, so the Island Boys ain't stealing? Damn, damn, what shit? Hey, listen, man, they sue you now what? Well, they can't sue me. I bought the beat exclusively. Oh, bad, bad, bad, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I played it, I played it smart, but I realized I thought it was May 6th. I think it was 2023. Yeah. But it was May 6, 22, after I look back and I was like, damn. Your facts. Man, so, so, hey, Russia, look at this now. So talk to me.

So you haven't dropped an album yet. Now, save the summer, I think I told you in off air. That shit was hard. My only complaint was the shit was too short, bro. It was like five songs, right? You like the reggae song? Wait, wait, wait, hey, look. I was like, I don't know, oh, oh.

Hey, let me show you like the ones that are on like, on like, my, like, playlist right now. Hey, hi-ha. So, so, listen, right? So look, though, I actually have you, like, in my drill session for some reason, and I'm not sure why. You have me in there? You don't. Drill. No, no, yeah, yeah, look.

So, what, here, right? So I have to zip or two at Internet. you like them yes oh my god zipper two is one of my favorite songs I ever made man I fucking love that song I listen that shit on repeat like you know I'm in the car the word I forgot how hard that song was after I made it oh wait wait so rappers actually listen to their own music no boy hell yeah that listen to like that that's got a hard right that's got a hard right listen right listen because look because Imagine me personally, right?

Because again, because I can't rap, right? I cannot imagine creating something that's so good that I put like that on over like Drake. Right, you feel me, right? You don't? You wouldn't play that? I can't rap. I suck. Right?

But you said if you do make something better than Drake? No. I'm saying, right, that I can't even, like, fathom that I would ever make something better than what drink. Oh, better than what Drake can give me, too. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, yo, bro. Because I make music that I want to listen to. Yeah.

That's why I listen to it. Sex, okay. Because I feel like nowadays ain't that much great music release, so I feel like I make music that I want to listen to that nobody's dropping. So I listen to my shit all the time. And it helps me as far as like, okay, maybe I can add this here. I can add this here. It just helps me really put the songs to the next level.

No, man, man, bro. Now this, right, so the, so, so, so, so, so the last EP will save the summer. Yeah. So, one, are you dropping an album next or an EP next? And like, is the EP going to be called like Save the Fall? Right? Come on. Hey, listen, no, bro.

Hey, listen. You're funny. A few set of albums is going to crazy. Yeah, I'm making one called Save the Fall and then I'm making one called Save the Winner. Bro, I'm telling you, bro. That shit will go stupid. It would, but I'm not doing that. I'm dropping an album, uh, 2024, like, like, probably in like, the second quarter.

Word. It, wait. First off, one, like, that's fire, right? Cause I think Cole is supposed to drop the second, right, too, right? But, right, but, like, okay, so have you, like, started working on, like, songs yet? Like, for the four. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm always working on this shit.

I just feel like, that's why it's so delayed. because I make something, I'm like, oh, that shit's just going on the album. And I make another one. I'm like, oh, shit, I got to replace that song with that song. You know, I mean, that's what's delayed this album so damn much. So I feel like I keep getting better and better and better every time I fucking make a song. So it's like, I don't know what to put on the album. Of course.

And like, because I really want every song on there, people to be like, oh, my God. No, thanks, man. Have you drafted up the concept yet for the album? I have the title of it I've had the title for like a year now But The concept is just Kind of more of a mix tape

Technically Like just showing like all the different flows and stuff I can do I can really hop on anything And now I can do it And make it let's fucking 10 out of 10 songs Man Hey bro bro bro

Bro, bro listen man This shit bread was a great interview bro I fuck with you bro And I try to truly think, bro, that you are gonna go far as fuck. You feel what me? If you just be yourself, be confident, right?

Saying, bro, don't ever go again, like don't ever go to no other interview and say, and say like, I'm not to go, right? Don't ever, bro, you know, be confident. I know I'm gonna go, I was just saying, like, yeah, not right now. And listen, eh, I'm gonna be. They actually lie.

Say, so, nigger, I'm the goal right now. Y'all can't tell me shit. You feel me? Man, but hey, man, Jay, bro. I appreciate you on me, man.

I appreciate you for real, man. It's been a great interview. Now, facts, been no jumper, coolest podcast in the world, man. Peace. Peace.