No Jumper - God Tier #6 - All City Jimmy (Fka NoCanDo) The Nerd From South Central Who Influenced The World

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

All City Jimmy (Fka NoCanDo) talks about his come up, battling Dizaster, Low End Theory, being woke and a battle rapper, Crip Mac and more! https://www.instagram.com/mrdizaster/ https://www.instagram.com/lushoneca/ https://www.instagram.com/allxcityxji... ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

God tier podcast. Live on No Jumper, the coolest battle wrap podcast in the world with my lovely co-host. Shining like Linolium. It's lush disaster and an OG fucking bloating. Come on, man. Come on, come on, come on. We got All City Jimmy, aka No Can Do. Yeah.

How are you doing today, sir? I'm doing good. I'm doing really good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what I say. I'm fucking hell of happy y'all invited me. this motherfucker. I saw when you guys announced it. I was like, this is, this is special.

And I was like, I knew I better get an invite, but I didn't want to feel, I didn't want to feel entitled. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of history at this table. A lot of history. I mean like the L.A. underworld in general. The westerie. All right. Yeah. This right here, bro. And just let it flow, man, because there's, there's, hey, this is a real triangle right here. We, first of all, just before. L.A. to the Bay. Right. But before we go any further, we've all battled each other. So, That we've all here have came at each other at some point in our careers being out here in this crazy thing. I'll let you go back because I know you want to say about this.

I'm mentally scarred by one, one, lush one line. For real? Mentally scarred. Oh, my God. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Okay. It's the WRC's 2000 fucking seven, right?

Oh, yeah, right here. And we got to get into that. Yeah. Let's talk about shit from 15 years ago. But getting off to start. Fucking. Now, this is therapeutic. This is therapeutic.

So I was going through so much because I had, like my partner wasn't pulling his weight or whatnot. Yeah. And so I just came off like a year of not losing shit. Yeah. And then so I get to this thing. We should have been partners. Yeah, y'all would have been crazy.

No, because you were in the Bay, bro, and I push a hard line. Like, I was with, I was. It don't matter. You know what I'm saying? We can get to that too. Like, you born in the Bay. I'm from West L.A. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, but he, you at that point should have been, but I know what he's saying. He knows the reality is it should have been me and you because the LA thing, like we were out here killing that shit. We talked about this before. That's another thing we're going to get into. And we could talk about, to add to it. We should have teamed up at some point. Any combination of the three of us would have won. Any combination.

But it's the culture. 100%. You were part of, to me, you were part of that Bay Area shit like with the Soros and Flo and. It's called. What's that place called back in the day? Tourette's. Tourette's, right? I'm from Project Blode.

Right. He was valid. slash pit, you feel me? Yeah. So like, I, low key was like,

it's like gang banging in a sense. Like, that's where you hang out and I'm gonna be friends with you guys. I'm not gonna be friends with you. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but it was that. The line, the school said is, it wasn't even a punch line. He just said, the last line was like, and you're washed up.

I was like, what the fuck you mean by that? Wait, which one? Wait, which one was that on the second? Like,

because you guys did the first, the first run, because you have to battle twice. I remember no lyrics except for and you're washed up. Oh my God. That's the meanest shit that anybody could ever say to you. You know what was so weird about that whole thing for me is that like I grew up in the

far west. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I literally, I went to middle school down the streets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From where that battle took place. Right, right. That was your area. But I had been living up in the Bay area.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like clicked up with the Bay homies. And it was, I felt like an outsider in my own hood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like a surreal. Well, you put on so many people out there. I didn't think about that. Yeah. You put on so many people out there and you had such a big support unit out there that you represented a whole thing. So like it makes sense. It's just we were out here and it was more convict. We, I've battled

him like seven times. So at one point in probably like I feel like we if you put Bubblers up there yeah. And that's crazy. We were talking about the shit on the Sharp podcast about what happened at Bubblers. But we'll who will probably get into that way. Break that down though. I mean the Bubblers thing was crazy for me and him because that was also another period of time where you know, we could vouch for where guys like me and No Ken, there was no real getting paid to battle. You didn't know who you were going to battle. You couldn't write or prepare for somebody. You could expect. And me, No Ken used to always be like, that motherfucker might show up tonight. We had that thing going, you know what I'm saying? But in this case, we were smoking people at

Bubblers, you know what I'm saying? RIP flawless too. Like he's easy to do. Oh, I thought he passed the fuck oh my bad shit damn damn damn my bad flawless man oh my bad damn i wouldn't wish that i thought i thought somebody said that recently to me i was like damn that happened i battle him i remember i had a battle with him he got mad as he got mad as fuck at me because i came with nothing but fat jokes against him and i remember he wanted to fight and all that shit like flawless was fucking crazy man like he yeah shout out to flawless man yeah still living oh my god yeah no man thank god he made it from that man that's crazy crazy LA is he got shot during race war times he got shot in canoga part right so i used to live there

when all that happened i used to live there when it happened too that's the crazy part that's when i was living there and i got the experience of that too because i lost a homie over some shit like this so yeah my boy rip steve man i i lost my homie on i'm sorry dude yeah like that but yeah it was a really crazy period of time speaking of that like it was a violent thing like we had to deal with like us wanting to actually battle rap and people wanted to fight at these events and shoot shit up and there was a lot of gangsters don't really respect the hip hop thing. They're like, we're on some gangster shit. No one respect to hip hop.

We respect the hip hop. We were battling for bongs. Okay, but you don't even smoke weed. I would give them to the homies. See, I was selling them. Because they were expensive. Some of the motherfuckers were like $2,000, $3,000. They had some serious bongs in there. Don't let this conversation fool you guys, man. We was making money out of those bongs.

That shit was a fucking lick. But yeah, pretty much LA didn't, what my point is, it was popular for guys like me and you to be in LA. That's why we're one of a kind, because it was more popular that people were on that whole gangster wave, like the West. That was the time where the West was alive. Musically, we had changed the whole fucking map.

You know what I'm saying? I can agree with that. We terraformed the whole music. That was the point where the West took over and it was no longer about the East Coast lyricism and it was about West Coast. Gee shit and everybody wanted to be with the West. And it was after Chronic 2001. It was literally like the next year or two years after that.

We was still fresh in that. You know what I'm saying? It was very, it was very full-centric. Yeah, because we started. Yeah, and we started battling and probably like, I don't know, when was the first time you think me and you ran into each other? Because I can't even recall it. This is how long we've been doing this.

I just want to paint the picture of Bubblers. Before we go to me, you could. We only have an hour. I know. I want to hear your perspective because I've heard. No, we got a little bit more. No, come on. Go ahead.

Yeah. Because, look, Diz has grown. Okay. We all have grown, but Diz grew a lot. He was a different guy. Diz was a different guy. Well, he's still double-time rap, motherfucker, right? But he has control and pacing.

This motherfucker was like, to me, like, he was just, like, Arabian bone thugs in harmony. For real. And he had the braids, too. He had the braids. He had the braids. Big baggy pants. I still had baggy pants, but I had, like, tight shirts and shit.

Is it fair to call him... Fucking triple XL shirts. Big shirts. Would it be fair to call him Dizzybone? Yeah, I actually... Dizzy bone. Somebody hit me with that before in a battle back. You called me something about Dell, the Funky Homa Sabian.

And I was a part of the blow, but I didn't know about underground hip hop like that. I was into Bay Area mainstream shit. But the Bubblers was fucking crazy because it was like right in near fucking North, what is it, North Ridge. It was right in front of the C-Sons. It was right across the street from C-San. So it would attract some cute little white girls. Well, that's not a gang area right there. No, not at all.

Even by essay standards. But there were essays there, though. But RECTA's around the corner. But that's what I'm saying, but that specific section. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like in recita. It was around the corner. But that's my saying USC's not a gang neighborhood.

It was around the corner, bro. Like, yeah, but no, you, you, the point. But I don't want to focus on the gangs. Let me tell you how unimportant we were. Yeah. They were giving us bongs for entertainment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just a bunch of college girls.

My homie came in. We had a crew called customer service, right? Shots to Cal and all her. some service, man. What up, Cal? We got in there and some chick was like, I want to hook up with somebody customer service. So the homie just went and got a blowjob in the bathroom within five minutes of being there.

It was like fights in the parking lot. It was stupid. It was like, we didn't matter. But we didn't matter to the world that we existed in, or we were in. But the only people that, the only thing that mattered was like the comp, it was us. You know what I'm saying? To us. We weren't, I

was not getting blow jobs in the bathroom. I wasn't fighting. We were trying to We were trying to get our respect. Like we were focused on just winning shit. I was just trying to beat you every time. Yeah, yeah. You and kale. I was trying to beat both y'all.

Yeah, see, I never ran into kale because I was worried about it. Because I was worried about running into kale. That's crazy because he was so nice back then. Like, it's crazy. So the battle starts. Everything's regular. What? Oh, you talked about that night.

We battled a hundred times. He talked about the night. Oh, I'm 50. late to everything. So I got, I got there. I was on the 405 and the homie choice called me. Most of my people were there, I think. And they, uh, they said something happened and then we had to leave. But then the next time I seen him, see, like, this is what I know about you. Sweetest soul. You're a sweet soul, bro. For real, people might see you as like, I feel like your high energy. You know what I'm saying? You're like very Tasmanian devil energy.

You know what I'm saying? So somebody might be like, or even just how people take battle rappers or people take people. Yeah, they get the wrong idea all the time. But sweet soul, I feel like the next time I seen him, and he was shook. Like, it was like fuck, this happened. Like, you know what I'm saying? And like... Oh yeah, I got

up out of here after that. Yeah. I actually that led into my... That led into my... I stopped battling in L.A. like out here for about probably like five months, five to six months. And then I came back and gradually started doing it. But that was the first time I saw. I went to Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in Chicago, they

was still doing the hip hop thing before it became Shirek. It's crazy. And I even, where rind peasant juices from, bro. And so they still had that going. And to be real with you, man, like, it was a crazy experience for me because they put me in the Chicago Tribune. And inside the article that they put, it was like on page three or some shit. And in the article, the article had a quote for me. And the quote was, thank you for accepting me here in Chicago. I've had a great experience because over here in Chicago, you guys are still focused on hip hop. And my world where I come from, it's all gangbanging and there's no more real shit.

Like, there's no more, you know, respect for the art form. That's what I said. And they literally, I didn't even say that for them to put that in the article. They took that out of just whatever I was talking about over there and they're like, we're going to use that and we're going to put that and we're going to show people that that's what he thinks. You know what I'm saying? So you telling me you brought Shirect.

That's crazy. Because if you look back at it, it don't make no sense. He's just like, I'm going to go here. Iraq to Iraq to Chicago. No, but if you look back on it, it don't like... Chief Keith's read that article when he was like five years old and was like, nah, fuck that. Yeah, that's not what we're known for.

It don't make sense, no more. But, I mean, it was still crazy. Like, the South Side, I remember I jumped on like the wrong because I always try to go and like experience shit. Like, I wanted to be part of the culture. I was still brand new in America too. Like, so I was, it was all big to me, you know? I remember somebody telling me because I had a little chain on.

And they're like, yeah, where you're going right now? He's like, you're going on this train over here. He's like, nah, man, you need to go. get off and jump back over here. You're going to end up on the south side or something like that. I was like, oh, all right. So go over here. And I took some other train back to Logan Square. And that's where I was staying, waiting for the fucking all-out annual MC battles. That's what it was called. You would have been a fucking G&D or some shit, bro. No, no, I wouldn't. Don't listen to this guy. I'd still be rapping, man, battling people.

He would have been a Latin cobra. Let's keep it. He was in a Latin cobra. 1,000%. It's fool. No, but that, that night of Bubblers was, was just one of the many nights that gives you an example of what we had to deal with coming up battling in L.A. And why it's different from coming up battling in other places is we had to get around these

roadblocks. There was always crazy shit that was distracting. Somebody got shot at the blow. Every house party that I went that I went to as a kid which would, you know what I'm saying, I'm there trying to like dance with a chick drink hella coronas and maybe freestyle

in the backyard. And everything's going perfect. Or in a bathroom. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it's so funny because I have friends that are, you know, they do the gangbang shit. And like later on, you know, I found out like, you know, they told me like, yeah, we would just like to fuck up parties. That was like how I wanted to drink coronas and freestyle and fill on a booty. These motherfuckers were like, we just come in to start problems. It's like a, you've seen house party.

It's like there's. The full force? Yeah, this kid in play and then there's full force. Yeah, yeah, yeah. kick your fucking is. That part, yeah. Which one were you? I was for sure kid and play.

It was kid in play. For sure. But not immune to, you know, if it jump off, I'm going to get in my full force bag. We was just talking about this, though. They used to shoot up every single house party when we were trying to just rap. Like, it just got to a point where out in the valley, we couldn't even have no more house parties. The ghetto bird would chop it up after 10 people max, like show up front. They just chop it up because every single house.

party and we'd be siphon and then somebody would get shot we'd be like oh man tonight's an amazing night we about to have so much fun somebody would get shot i don't think people realized that it's crazy in the 90s and early 2000s the valley was super turned up like lost a bunch of homies it was turned up man it was but but people like have this give this connotation to the valley like it's it's not about that action but you know pocoyma van hives i lived on lanark for a while so i know north hollywood those are active gang areas and all kinds of shit was popping off back then that's uh well that's to like to give credit to like the west period like if you look at like news clips in the 80s like because of gangster

rap and because of like the eye on like black people and the eye on like immigration they focus on um you know they focus on black and latin like gangsterism or whatnot crash unit but well not the media. Yeah, yeah. The narrative around the world is, you're an Italian guy, right? You're from the west side, right? The narrative around the world is

black and Latin people are gangbangers from Los Angeles. But that's, that it's everybody wants a piece of, every man wants a piece of the territory. And every group of six boys that they fucking breed, one of them's going to be a power hungry motherfucker.

You know what I'm saying? Right. And so like, you, you know, there are, white boys from the west side that I remember growing up, you know, that are the same, that are the same kind of dudes as my cousins from fucking the, was from Western. You know what I'm saying? And or aging dudes from fucking, you know, fucking, you know, Ta-Long Beach.

Long, beach especially. So, like, that's why the politics for art and battle rap is inescapable, because on all sides of the city, like, I feel like we're in a militarized, mindset, you know what I'm saying? And the military don't really give a fuck about art and science until they can... ...waponize it. Weaponize it. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, you learn how to split an atom and you can fucking charge the world for a year? No, I'm going to use that to bomb somebody.

And so I feel like cats like us, you know, we had to kind of like kind of put up with that. It kind of made us tougher. It made us smarter. and we all figured out how to honestly bro myself personally I figured out how to be a rapper and a battle rapper and an artist and all this shit and in that world and never be a tool to any of that world and it never you know what I'm saying

I learned to be all around all of it and be like all right cool like you know I'm not part of shit so and that's kind of what to me always defined you you're an individual and you're very difficult for people to just like put their on. You can't define, oh, he's this type of individual, but you're actually way different. You don't fit inside boxes. I'm curious, like, as far as the origins before the All City

Jimmy incarnation, when you were, you know, no can do, what did you jump into making music or battling first? What was like, what's like the beginning of the legacy? Where does it start? Okay. I wrote this down. I knew you're going to ask me that. No, basically, look, I got I expelled from Culver City High in ninth grade. And I was a smart kid, so I skipped a year. So I was- Oh, I have the same kind of thing. Well, no, I didn't skip here because I was smart, though. I'm not even going to take credit.

Nah, you did that because of that. I did that because I came from Lebanon, and because the curriculum is different, I lost six. I never went to sixth grade. I went from fifth to seventh. I never went to six-year-old. You were talking about how many stars are in that side of the sky. We know how to shit you on. But so-6,000-33,000.

It's a bad thing. But, yeah, not. It's a good thing. So that's why we're sitting at this table, to be totally honest. You got expelled from the governor. Yeah, so you got expelled. I moved to Fairfield, California. I hated music.

My grandmother was one of those very conservative, black, you know, she was a teacher and everything. She put me in fucking piano for hell along and put me in the ironic part, put me in guitar and shit like that. And I wanted to play baseball and collect comic books and play Street Fighter. That's all I cared about. Baseball was fun because my homies were doing it. But then comic books and Street Fighter are like fighting games. It's all I really cared about. So, long story short, you know, I got in trouble at school.

They sent me up north with my dad, my grandfather. My fucking dad, like, so I go up there to live, I go to, I get kicked out of cover, then I go to Crenshaw a little bit because they couldn't put me in continuation. Then the summer, I was going up to Fairfield every summer in my life anyway, but I go up there that summer,

and then they put me in fucking this school called, I forgot what it's called, but it's across the street from the Salano County Prison, which is the gnarliest shit ever. We fucking smoking cigarettes with our teachers, the fucking, you know, they had the, we're piss testing everybody, like once a week and shit, and we, whatever.

But then, basically, I go to that school, and I'm there for half the year, like until December, right? December, my dad says, I got cancer. He gets cancer, right? So, fucking, by March, by this time,

you know what I'm saying, from December to March. Is your senior year? No, this is my fucking 10th grade year. Okay. So I'm 14 at the time. March hits. He passes away.

The whole time, though, he moves in my, he moves in my grandfather's house. That's where I'm staying. And so, again, I was a swagless little nigger, bro. I was like, fuck music. You know, fuck street shit. I didn't really care. I really, all I cared about was comic books and shit, you know? But the whole time that,

happening like I'm feeding the morphine every night at night right for fucking December given spoonfuls of morphine and shit we're staying in the same room and he's fucking screaming like crazy like every night is a hell of pain fucking my aunt Janice who beautiful lady she gives a his sister his sister his sister his the sister two two sisters below him or no one year old I forget but she gives me a CD player. She gives me two fucking CDs, right? And I'm not going to lie, it's a Will Smith CD and it's a

Tupac CD. That's awesome. Right? And that's hell of cool. The good guys dressed in black, remember that. There's something like that. It was fucking, it was getting jiggy with it and then like, jiggied with it was the first. But it's the prettiest music and the happiest, silliest music. And it's the most dark

gothic music ever. Because I really like that song that Hell Mary. I like how it feels. That was exactly what you was talking about. I'm not saying God. The bells are crazy. Yeah. The bells are crazy on that.

So I'm listening to those on repeat, and the CD player had repeat every night. My father passes away, and then I start, it's the, it's a basic story. Like, my father passes away. And so I start hanging out with, like, the kids that are on this little street. And it's a suburban street, but it's Fairfield still. See, for those that don't know, Fairfield's right next to Vallejo. It's in between Vallejo and Sacramento. And it's, like, it's actually, especially right now, it's super hood.

Like, there's parts of it that are pretty active. And it's one of those cities, though, like, you know, when people leave the hood, they go there. So it's like a bunch of kids from Richmond, a bunch of Nortagnos. Basically, I was hanging out with Carlos Cox, Ricardo Cox, Alex, Jamar, Ryan, all my homies from that area. And Nortennios and just random bait cats. And they were freestyling all the time. I start smoking weed. I start freestyling.

And because all that reading and shit and then all of that fucking listening to all that music, probably all that piano, the first time I had, we did it, I was really good at it. You know? That's fire, man. Then I come back to L.A. Go back to Culver City, but I think I had to go to regular school for a year, and then I go to continuation. And I meet my homie,

Marcel, who was in my crew later on. His name is Why Not? Shasta, why not? Why not? He's the one, because I was... That's a G right there. Very much so. And I was, like, kind of an ADHD kid.

Like, you know, like, I'm just very, you know, very... I can't... I can sit down, but I'm like all over the place. So you think a lot. I think a lot. That part. So he, you know, we would sit at the lunch table and then he like get a piece of paper, fold it in half, you know, lick the top, rip it, give me a one.

And then he'd be like, okay, cool, let's write something. I've never written. I didn't, I fell school because I just didn't like writing. You know what I'm saying? I'm testing. I'm killing testing. I'm not writing anything. Never.

But so, then. I end up going on the bus, so that's how I learned how to write raps. Then I go on the bus. I see this dude. I forgot his fucking name. I don't really like him either. But he's making beats in the back

and freestyling with him. He said, you should go to this place called a freestyle fellowship in Lamirk Park. He called it the freestyle fellowship? He called it the freestyle fellowship. Oh, my God. That's amazing.

He tried to fanangle me out of some shoes a long time ago, so I don't like him. But I was like looking up to him as like this hip hop kind of earthy nigga. Like, you know, I was like, it was, yeah. But long story short,

you know. And you live, you grew up not far from Lamert. Well, my mom was, I lived in Lamurt when I was six to like nine or ten, maybe six to nine or ten. My mom's a ballet dancer from Lamert too. So again, that's another reason why I fucking looked at music like, yeah, fuck music. You know, because there's the dude that lived next door to me was like a famous drummer.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Like the fucking this, I'm all these great, like the people that my mom dance with like fucking, you know, choreographer Beyonce now. And like, you know. I could super relate to that because I'm three genera. four generations deep in entertainment arts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And when I was a kid, all I wanted to do was play ice hockey and baseball. And I was like, no, this shit is lame. I'm up being an army soldier. Fuck that. Like that shit. Like, so no, I could. And a lot of people might not know, like,

Lamert Park is an epicenter of all different kinds of culture. You know what I mean? Let's talk about jazz culture. Right. Right. You know, fucking. Really, I think, is most known for, known for jazz.

For sure. And then it's like the Afro-centric area. L.A. doesn't really have a... Smell like incense. Smell like incense. Smells like sage, you know. Palo Santo and all that. That part, you know, you can get your nose pierced with the fucking brass hole.

You know what I'm saying? Brass thing. Spike. Yeah, whatever the fuck. And so anyway, long story short, and I'm going to Lamert. I go there for the first time. And really after that Fairfield shit, how Fairfield was, it's just fucking, you know, or the bay.

Well, break down for people what is what was referred to as the freestyle fellowship, which is really he was talking about Project Blode. And what is that for those that don't know? The Project Blode is an open mic that, I guess, was popping from like, well, it comes from the Good Life Cafe that was on Crenshaw, but basically everything that was like rap and Indian cool in L.A. came from there. So you say Far Side came from there.

You would say fucking, what's those motherfuckers' name? Dude, that sounds so. Black IPs. Black IP spend time there. But everything that's like alternative. But you could say Snoop spend time there. You could say game spent time there. And came through there.

Like it's really the hub of rap in L.A. And rap performance shit. It's not like some industry shit. It's just like, oh, this is where we go. It's like CBGB or some shit. This is where we go. And this is where we go. where we get, we just sign a list, we perform our new song.

The epicenter of styles in Los Angeles. Oh, for sure. For sure. So I used to get killed when I go over there. But that's, that's a lot of the story of a lot of rappers outside of the bloed. And it's because, you know, nowadays people say there's gas in the room or whatnot, you know? But it's not about gas in the room. It's the whole thing like what the bloid was doing.

I think it was, it builds tenacity. You know what I'm saying? You're supposed to get killed when you come here. Yeah, there's kind of that thing where you have to prove yourself and you're not going to just walk in here and walk all over people. You know, I mean, it definitely was that. They'll tell you to get up off the mic if you didn't. Get off the mic.

But also, and the reason really the thing is they really respect like when you are, like, you express yourself in a way that only you can express yourself. That's why the blow you can say there's not, even though there's a, you know, it's on some jazz shit, you know, so niggas da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, you know, very like staccato and shit. But it's Yeah, that's crazy. But there's people that are super slow and there's people that aren't staccato is about you expressing yourself the way that you express yourself.

Word, I see what you. If I catch you sounding like, at that time, you might sound like busy bone. Yeah. But let me get back to developments and disaster. Now, let's take it

watching you develop because I'm pretty sure when you used to go to the blow, right, you still maybe sounded like. Where was it the first time? It was before it moved. It's always been in the same place. I went there one time

before it was. was where it was, I think. Or am I tripping? It's been 43 and Lamert. Never. I was outside. I was outside. That's like saying the Statue of Liberty move.

I was there when basically there were ciphers outside and I battled twice inside and once outside. I've only battled three times over there. Yeah. And I got ganged up on. Of course. I got jumped. Physically jump? No, lyrically.

Okay. Okay. I got lyrically jumped at Project Bload and one of the jumpes was Leraflip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shots out the lyric flip. I think that's what they talked. It was a tough environment. Like, you just, I was doing good, and then I just got jumped.

Mm-hmm. And then, like, another time. No, I think one of the times you, you, you... I would never battle you at the, we never battled. I think I battled you there. We never battled at the blow, because... Out of the ten times we battled, one of them wasn't there? It could never be.

I think one of the times I lost to you was there. Nah, bro, at the blow it, I got too much. Here's a thing. Because you became, like, that dude over there. Yeah. At that time in the 2000s, it's one of those things where it wouldn't have, for one, it would have been documented. I feel like, what do you mean? We have like 10 battles and only two of them are.

But at the blow, I just got some video from my old DJ, DJ, Hamprints. And he's got all the footage of all this old shit. If we would have battled at the blow, it would have been. You might be right. I can't really remember if it was there, but I feel like I battled you there because we battled so many times. in one time, like, I felt like it had to have been there in the beginning. It was like the, you didn't even know who I was. That's the crazy part.

If that could have been a case. But I don't think, this disaster? Like the, the, I didn't think that it ever happened. What year were you battling over there actively? Every year. No, I'm saying 2001? Every year. Were you 2001, right?

Like, from 9. 2001 to like 06. Okay, so 2001. That's my training ground. I know. Yeah, that's what happened. happened because the first time, the second time we battled, you probably thought it was the first time of us battling because I just battled you randomly and you just washed me. Like I remember just because the first time we battled, I remember losing to you like, and you didn't even know who I was and I had heard of you. I knew who you were, but I didn't even know I was going to run into you.

And I just beat somebody and then I for sure it was there to be honest with you. I remember because it was Lamarit. And I actually rapped about it in one of the battles. I forgot who I said it to. I was telling somebody about the situation and I stuttered it. I think it was against Kostic. But yeah, nah, you, because we battled so many times, bro, the bubbler shit was one time that happened. There was also, I think we battled. Did we battle at Zen sushi or am I tripping? Oh, yeah, it was possible.

Because I remember I battled over there. Who did I? I think it was you. I'm going to tell you, my daughter was born and five, what's someone? She was born in 2003 or something shit. Went from the time that my daughter was zero. to like six, I was not losing a battle in LA. Yeah.

I swear to God, because all I cared about was taking home 50, 300, 500, on the night. That's diaper money. It's diaper money and it's also validation to my baby's mom as to like, oh, you're out fucking around. You know what I'm saying? So if one, that intensity of being a young father, that's what really like, that's, I think that's what made me such, made me go so hard in battling. I think. Yeah. Because you were everywhere. You were literally like, it was just if anyone heard you were on the card, they knew

you were in the final and you were going to win. Like, everybody knew they had to prepare for you. It's kind of like the Thesaurus-Ill-Mack thing going on up north, you know what I'm saying? Like out here. And you were already like putting out music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for saying that because that's, that is, this is a battle rap podcast. No, but we, you know, we're talking to you.

No, yeah, no. You want to hear it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Your story encompasses so much more than battle rap. Yeah, thank you. you bro and I want to make sure damn okay fuck it let's let's not make no disclaimers at the same time being from Project Blow right and saying that like that's my college that's my gang that's my frat um AC alone once I start getting that little name I got flew out for a show in

in uh Colorado AC alone took me on tour because they're crossing shout out to AC uh shouts to AC yeah shout out to AC oh yeah and um Micah Abby all then. Yeah. Yeah, I was just chopping it up. Yeah, Abby is super solid dude. All the blow dudes are, you know,

they're special guys. LA Cool. LA Cool. He's a fucking general. It's a dog right there. I fucking, you know, it was in our culture to make EPs and tapes

and have a box of them under your shoulder, right? Or in your arm. And I had my first EP at the time. Was that the impatient? Impatient. That shit is. A motherfucker

masterpiece. You think so? Do I think so? He sounds pretty serious. Do I think so? And it's crazy because I know that you tend to minimize it when I talk to you about it. But that was like, I hadn't really

heard that many people at that time that were able to have such a like, lyrically dense album, which written with the same technical know-how and prowess of a battle rapper that has nothing to do with battle rap whatsoever.

You're like really introspective. It's like post-teenage, like early adulthood angst. Yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Thank you for looking at it like that. It's like, I don't want to say emo, but... It's very emo. I'm very emo.

Yeah, you are. I'm very fucking, uh, I have to hike fucking five times a week to fucking feel good. But, you know, you're also from Western in the 50s. You feel me? I'm really, we're all on no jumper. And it's so funny. I'm from 57th and Western. You know what neighborhood that is.

Five-five. Crip Mac is one of those people there, too. And so, like, you know, it's so funny that to be from that neighborhood. You find me? And not feel and look like that, none of that shit, you know. Was that kind of, like, what was it like? Was there pressure, like, to, like, you know, from the set or like, what was your relationship? Like, to the, my dad was from the Bay.

Every summer that I left, you know, a friend that I played with, I came back and he's from the neighborhood, right? I used to be out there fishing and walking in the fucking, you know, in nature and shit. You come back to L.A. And motherfuckers around that shit. And he was like, yeah, that shit weird. You know what I'm saying? And also, like, you know.

I remember going outside your crib. It's always taped off. The block is taped off all the time. There's a palm tree with the 5-5 hit up on it and blue file. I was like, okay, this is like, they're really about that action over there. But you never were like rocking with them and all that. But you were cool with everybody. Okay.

So when you grow up in, my grandma lived in that neighborhood forever. When you grow up there, like let's say you're five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, right? And you know, there's dudes that are from that neighborhood that are reputable dudes that like we fought when we were six. You know what I'm saying? like you got your stripes early well no it's not about stripes i remember fucking no i'm just joking you know when you can fight his little kid and it gets crazy you hit somebody with a stick you know and so like oh my god so like um i want to say that like until until like the mid 2000s until new kids start showing up i i was i was free to be me you know everybody in the hood yeah well everybody on that

street right you know what i'm saying and i believe so or my family did and um you know and to be totally honest if I'm not mistaken that shit started like a lot of those dudes they're older guys older a little bit older than me they were kw s's right they were i remember they're tag bangers yeah so i remember going over to rap with the and this is like the cuss when when those when a lot of people i didn't know start coming around there i remember going over there and the older older dude his name is marcel uh short light skin dude had like two long braids i think they called them smurf or some shit like that um i was over there with the younger dudes right and this one 50 cent was out right and I'm rapping real project bloaty and um you know and the

younger dudes is like all like trying you know they're making fun to me like you know what I'm saying and you know the older dudes was like no niggas how you're supposed to rap bro and it's like really has to do with like some regional shit you know what I'm saying and when you talk about like west coast shit every person that I know that's a west coast like street dude hood dude think it's love the wake up show in jail you know what I'm saying niggas love all all that weird shit and everything else that came along has a is you know, all the styles that, even like gangster styles that are forced on motherfuckers, that's due to fucking media and all that shit.

But the streets don't sound, the actual streets. Don't sound like what people think they are. Never. To the point where. And don't look like they think they are too. Like if you, like, you have to go deep into South Central L.A. And you'll hear certain rap styles that don't exist anywhere else. And a lot of them are super intellectual and super like, house.

And even like, storytellers too. Storytelling shit. Yeah. And even like the off-kilter delivery, like, when people were like so shocked when they heard blue face. Yeah, I was thinking he was thinking. But there's so many styles like that throughout the streets of L.A. That's very California. Right.

Very California. Like, you got to think about E-40s. You got to think about sugar-free. Yeah, we still the originators of styles. Aydideon. Yep. Period. Everybody's an originator of style, but I feel like California, this, the mindset of a California is, period, is like,

do what the fuck you want you know what i'm saying and that's why like so much tech comes out of california that's why so many like weird things come from here is because skateboarding even even how they flip skateboarding you know um like exactly so like i think that like you know i don't i don't know what the fucking written about i'm in that shit i don't talk about that shit no i feel you though i feel you though it's really interesting um so but then how did you find that balance between the making music side of things and battle rap and then not really converging them, you know what I mean? I co-founded this thing called Lowen Theory,

which is basically... Where all you hipsters originated every single last one of y'all. That also changed the sound of production in America, in Western music, in electronic music, you know, so... Flying Lotus. Flying Lotus, Anderson Pack, Tyler creator, but you know no such thing all these amazing all amazing dudes thunder cat all these guys so basically right when that was happening i was and i was signed to a label that was connected to that shit

right when that was happening i noticed this crazy thing y'all start taking away the beats from the rap and the beat makers stop putting rap on the beats that's crazy right yeah no i die yeah yeah that's a fact i'm in both of these worlds at the same time that's crazy and i wasn't really into it because I, the least, the battle rap that I fell in love with was over beats, right? Over beats, he were, yeah. And then the rap music I fell in love with had fucking, you know, it had bars and shit like that. So like, so I think the thing that helped help me balance it is now this is going to sound crazy is I, going back to my Janison, those two records that she gave me. And also like the rock music that I really liked at the time, like the post grunge, shit like that.

helped me kind of and I'm gonna give a give I'll give a shot to my my baby's mom too she always was she you know bringing in like rap record like she was always like into rap music like mainstream rap mainstream rap you know and she you know I was forced in my house to listen to Rick Ross and Drake and Jeezy and everything that came out as it came out because she always was you know on to whatever's popping right I'm always going to be listening to some fucking rock or some indie rock or some jazz shit or some you know all that shit and I think even though the money was in the beat scene or in the battle scene my heart was always in like fuck man I just want to I want to tell my story like be legit or I want to tell my story like uh fucking uh motherfucking uh not curgo curgo main but uh you know

old boy from smashing pumpkins oh like Billy Corgan so like you know I'm I'm off I'm fighting that but you know what though the money was in battle rap and the tension was in battle rap And the money was in fucking the B-C. I mean, not yet, though. Well, you got to think about that time. And my rent in L.A. is 800 bucks. You're talking about 2009. Okay, I guess.

I'm just putting it. But, yeah, I see what you're saying. You could tell money was coming. You could tell money was coming. If you can win a rack, we're not talking about big money because nobody thought, at that time, nobody thought big money existed in any of that shit. You're talking about getting paid $500. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

If your rent is $800 bucks in South Central. in fucking 2008 or whatnot or your bills in total or fucking $1,000 and you can get that in the night? Come on, bro. But at the end of the, but those two things kind of made it very difficult for me to get to

the point where I actually could start making music that I really like. Because even though you said that about Impatient EP, I, all the music I was making was in a rush. Everything was like, all right, cool, I'm on a fucking train on the way to fucking Santa Barbara. I'm going to fucking write all these lyrics.

I'm going to do, da, da, da, I'm going to record all this in one day. Oh, I got to go to the battle. I'm going to go do this. I got to go. I got the kids. I got this and this. Now, you know, I don't know.

It's dope. I can work on one song for fucking two weeks straight. You know what I'm saying? I can work on one beat for fucking, you know, three or four nights in a row, come back to it the next month. And it's from not being, not having to give myself to those two things. You know what I'm saying? For the bread.

It's about a rap stressful. Come on. We want to hear from you. Come on. When you're young and full of testosterone, you got the battle rap boner. You feel me? It's different. It's not stressful.

Yeah, it's different. But I think battle rap became stressful when... Under the weight of the legacy? No. Was that part of it? No, I'm too stupid to understand the legacy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not...

I don't... I mean, this makes a lot of sense. I'm here. Right? Because I don't be like, oh, no can do it. I don't give a fuck about any of that. It was stressful trying to, for me, balancing all that shit to be doing. I had a fucking label.

I had low-in theory. I had my own music. I had a wife and kids and had battle rap. And I cared about them all a lot. You know what I'm saying? That's when battle rap became stressful because I don't like losing. You know what I'm saying? I go to fucking party too and play street fighter all night.

and I'll shake the fucking machine every time I lose. You know what I'm saying? Also, yeah, I hear you. Also, like, the whole transition from where you love doing it on beats. And then the Acapella thing happened, right? And how many Acapella battles do you do like? I don't know. I think maybe five.

Five. I was about to say like five, right? Five or six. Let's say he did. Maybe, huh? But before that, you have a very rich battle rap career, right? Do you feel like part of the reason why you gradually shifted back into your love for music? and it took over is because the battle rap

was started heading in a different direction that's unfamiliar to you and you didn't really like rapping when there was no beats. Like did you really, once the beats died out for you, was it already like, or was WRCs already, you were already into that mode? First off, I'm gonna say this. Interesting.

Before I did my first a cappella battle and this is on some hipster, this is like a name drop shit, but not name drop, but it's like how I learn a transition of that. I talk to Salt Williams. Like how do you do acapella things and we sat and I talked

you like acapella things you know what I'm saying yeah and he gave me I was like because you know I'm being thinking about the meter that I'm trying to like pack everything in there

he's not thinking about no meter he's not thinking about he just like put everything in there so that before I battle battle madness I talked to Saul Williams bro I'm a fucking competitive you know me

yeah of course the most competitive and I know you yeah so look the Vegeta and Goku effect over here let's go bro

so no like the reason wasn't because it changed it was because I was doing too much you know I was just doing too much and that and hating to lose I hate to lose you know it fucks up my week and um you know I'm like fuck like I got a I can't do this shit I can't I can't if I can't like totally totally focus on this shit I can't really do that shit right and um I lost a battle that I should shouldn't have lost because I was doing too much, plus I was doing too much extra too. So that like... See, I thought that you were just kind of too cool for school at a certain point and didn't

think that battling was like you were jaded by it and weren't challenged by it. That's just kind of how it looked from the outside. Like this dude don't even care anymore, essentially. Like music is more important. Right. Like I'm getting money off my music. I'm traveling the world. I'm in Japan.

I'm lit. Like, I'm, you know, doing low-end theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hosting the biggest event in L.A. every week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody know who I am. Y'all are some little dudes over there. No, no, no, no.

But that's what you put, you. But on some hood shit, right? Yeah, yeah. If you don't go back to your hood, everybody has this perception. Right, exactly. That you feel better. Exactly. There's one point in time.

Was, like, was kind of. That's what battle rap does. But loki, like, there was one point in time, and this was, I stopped battling already, but I remember writing this article that went fucking on the LA Weekly about how I can't do battle rap I'm disconnected but that actually came from emotional growth that's not from it ain't no like I would never look down on you I would never look down on you I would never look down on another man

but but you guys were peasants stupid the thing for me is that homie the more you or the more you or the more I the older that I got the more sensitive I got you know what I'm saying and the more I learn like, okay, like I don't want nobody to talk to me like this. I don't want to talk to nobody like this.

And is, and, and I'm, I'm gonna be real. I, dude, I come from a wild-ass neighborhood. I got abuse in my fucking household. You know, I got, nigga, shit ain't fucking right, bro. So like, I was good at battle rap because of demons. You know what I'm saying? And, and I think that a lot of people can say that they were. Absolutely.

So I'm not trying to I'm not trying to play with those demons. I'm not trying to spend my time writing those spells, you feel me? And so the emotional part that I feel like I got more emotionally intelligent because when you're a fucking young man full of testosterone,

you know, me and my friends used to kick each other for fun. But I got to stop you there, man. Because at the end of the day, you saying that like you had to channel into this dark side pretty much. Yeah. Well, no, I was living in the dark side. Okay. But the thing is like And especially for someone like you, I feel like...

Some people don't like toxicity, Diz. No, calm down. It ain't even about toxicity. Watch. Here's the thing with you. You are able to translate it into something positive. I've seen you do it. You were one of the guys that used to come around into these environments

because even though Project Bload was in a more hood area, our events were fucking banged the fuck out. for real and you used to come in there and you used to not come in there and be toxic bro. You weren't toxic at all. You actually were giving people that side that people should hear

and this is why I had to stop you and I'm not trying to put you on the spot but you have the ability even now to provide because battle rap is not a place where you could only be negative but there's people like BDOT there's people like Emerson Kennedy there's people out there that actually put forward that message

bro and your voice is actually needed. So in my opinion, you know what I'm saying? I disagree with that, but I respect what you're saying as far as your personal demons. I get that. I'm not trying to take that from me. That's a really good point. It's a good point, but look, homie, you can't be really woke

and be a battle rapper. It's like, it's like trying to be a cop and be non-violent. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, once you, once you take that up. And so like, and this is where we're going to argue, but I love you like a motherfucking brother so I'm not tripping. But like,

No, that's good. It's good. No, we talk about shit like this anyways on a regular shit. When I came to the pit, I was there with a fucking pimp and a prostitute and a fucking tag banger, bro. That was toxic. You feel me? Yeah, I get that. Your surroundings were toxic.

No, I was toxic. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I basically, so I might come in on some like, I'm woke. No, I am not. You feel me? I never thought of you was woke, by the way. It wasn't a woke. That's the funny thing.

It wasn't even a woke thing. I don't think of No can as like a conscious artist. Okay. That's what I thought he was saying. He didn't even do that. It was the way he would. You smoke camel red lights. You feel me?

Drink big tall boys. It was the Christmas presence, Smith and Wessons. Right. No, no. I understand that. It wasn't even a woke thing. It was the way he was putting it together. It was clever.

It's what I'm trying to say is there's a positive aspect to it. And I get that you were tapping into your demons back then. Being intelligent. Being intelligent. Being intellectual and being woke or not. not mutually exclusive. And I think that's something that people don't misperceive. And especially because your style's outside the box,

I totally agree with what Diz is saying. You don't, someone doesn't need, you don't need to be toxic. I mean, people have proved it. It's not like I'm actually, you know, hypothesizing.

There's people that embody that today. But for you, it makes sense that like it was becoming a source. It wasn't fun anymore, essentially. No, Ken. We got Christian rappers today with very, very successful careers in battle. You know what I'm saying? Shouts out to A Ward, shouts out the low soul,

shouts out the sages, shouts out the street hymns. You know what I'm saying? Like, these guys have actually showed that, like, nah, and they don't even waver from their Christian shit, and people will tell them every battle, all types of messed up shit about their faith, and they still stay positive, and they are popular. They're killing it.

Again, I said they're successful. Again, Christianity. I was just an example. Christianity and being woke. I know. It's not, yeah. It's not exclusive. I just want to let you know that I'm not personally,

because I know that battle, if you start talking. shit about anime, I'm gonna have your same tone. You feel me? Like, so battle rap, that's your baby, right? So I'm not talking shit about battle rap. I'm just talking about, bro, for you. I'm talking about my, no, we get it.

My mental and emotional health. And what that, like, what I really wasn't able to, like, maintain at that point in time. And it's because life was kind of wild for me. And so I was going through a lot of shit that made me. sensitive you feel me and I could let a man call me a bitch and say he'll fuck my wife and whoop-o-whoop-ty-wooop when

it's like nothing in my life has fucking made me doubt anything after you get fucking jumped or some shit or fucking shot at after you fucking go have like marriage infidelity shit after you have fucking real fucking have to go to court for some crazy shit and

lose some shit you never thought you fucking had all this shit it's hard it's hard for me, even after bouncing back from all that shit, it's hard for me to look somebody in the eyes and say, man, you're a bitch. Or look somebody in the eyes and say, I'll fuck your wife. I respect it.

I respect it. I know how to fuck your wife and I don't know how to beat you up. Nah, he got real there for a moment too. Like, I've seen you tap into some shit, man. Hey, I respect it. I do. I get where you're coming from. I feel like, well, here's a better question.

Do you feel like now since we've seen you like, and by the way, I've been on a hike with this motherfucker. We went from battling to hiking together. You know what I'm saying? It was pretty fucking intense. But here's what I want to say. Here's what I want to say, though. Do you feel like you're more mentally now in a better space and ready to actually do something if you were?

No, I'm way more emotionally unstable than I ever have been. Oh, my God. I'm going to be so fucking honest and, you know, and emotionally sensitive. But what I do is I put on all you guys' battles. I taught myself in the last three years how to play guitar, right? And since the pandemic started, I put on all you guys' battles, and I play to the patterns of everything. I play for, I practice for like three hours a day.

You know what I'm saying? So like that, like to say that, again, if that leads into what I ever battle, I'm going to say like every other motherfucker says, if the bag's right, I'm going to do it. But secondly, there's hope. Secondly, there's hope, ladies and gentlemen. We all got a price. But secondly, with the art of that. shit, that there's something that, you know, there's like, you know, when the, like, a room shakers,

like that holy ghost feeling that you get from that shit, from a room shaker or there's stuff that certain people are doing that I is a fucking artist, like, oh, yeah, I want to synthesize that and re-engineer that and put that shit into my guitar. I want to put that feeling in my beats right now. I want to put that feeling into the way that I'm writing. So I'm right now, I'm with you guys neck and neck on everything. And I show up to events and I don't feel like I'm a part of that culture. Right. You saw me at the last one. Yeah, you used that URL. That part. And I don't feel it as comfortable, but I want to feel the room and I want to see where I, as an artist, like how I can make sure that I stay on the edge. And I do the same thing by going to like punk rock shows. I do the same thing

by going to fucking rap shows. I do. And I'm just, so you're still inspired by battle rep. Boom. I think I play guitar to that shit for hours every day. That's crazy. And I'm, like, fucking. Like, actually, you create, like, beat stacator. I played, I played, played the shit when, uh, you versus, uh, Danny. Oh, that's so far. That was a good one.

I'm like, copying, because you got a staccato shit. So I'm copying your patterns. That is crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. I need to hear that, man. Go send that to me, man. I got to start recording now.

Ha, ha. You got to film that, man. That's fire. Okay. So obviously, there's been a lot of shit. in your artistry and but you know the constant that remains is you being inspired yeah you drop the no can do moniker yeah you're now known as all city Jimmy yeah what's the catalyst of change for that name and what exactly does

it mean for those that don't know um basically I dropped the no can do shit because all labels and publishing companies I was attached with that I signed a very naive person and a lot of people think is for some other reason I don't want no fucking greedy white man taking a five percent off my shit. You understand? You get nutty. You should have been here for things. So that's why that that's why that's why No Can Do shit stops right there.

You can't, I took all my shit down. I convinced one motherfucker to take it down. I baited him using my battle rapper tactics, baited him into making him think it was his idea to take something down that he owned. I don't want I don't want him to get fucking 12 pennies off me a year. So are you hearing this person, whoever you are.

Yeah, and you can eat a bowl of dicks and a bag of dicks and a fucking cornucopia dicks. and so a cornucopia so it's why he's always been like a crazy lyricist his unique word

fucking you know that choice is off the hook warm falopia that's so good right here comes to rhyme but so I lost

I lost the house in the foreclosure so I end up being displaced right homeless and I had friends in every part of the city

I lost my car I lost everything I was on a little fixy you know and I fucking And I was going through some other shit, some street shit at the same time. I was in a very emotional state, but I still had my studio in Burbank, you know.

And I, you know, basically I had studio three times a week, but I was staying at this chick's house, this homie's house, this shit's house, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I'm biking to every place or bus into every place. But then when I get to the studio, since I'm on a bike most of the time, I wasn't writing. I was freestyling most of my shit. and when I was freestyle it I would refer to myself as All-City Jimmy so like my subconscious was

writing it so after I made six songs referring to myself as that then I'm like oh shit that's pretty dope so that makes sense you actually told me this too I remember yeah exactly it's trippy because like I feel like you and I are two of the most

like Angelino individuals in the world California bro all state California but but we like we could talk for hours about the the different nuances of being in Angelino, growing up in Los Angeles, and then use our frame of reference from the Bay Area as well to kind of like tie it all together. But so I always attributed that name as to just you being All-City,

because you have so much knowledge and experience in every nook and cranny. A lot of people that grow up in L.A., they're confined to their area. There's South Central dudes. There's Long Beach Jews. There's Compton dudes. East Side dudes. What side dudes, exactly. Maybe I wasn't, I didn't think so much of myself to think that I was All-City back

then. But then once I found that I fit in there, I even live in East L.A. right now. Right. East Lowe's. Come on. And, you know, I just got to move to the Valley once. But basically you know, once I fucked around and like really, I don't know, like I really do feel

like a strong love for every part of Los Angeles. And I do feel like I made like really good friends and I do feel like I've made a lot of memories in every section of it. And that's why I'm like, yeah, fuck it. I'll I'll be that. And plus, you know, I got a lot of friends that, like, write graffiti.

I took it as a graffiti thing. Like, yeah. And that, to say you're all city, that's, that means a lot. That means, that means you are like a chalk ass motherfucker. Like, you know, like they, people know about you from fucking Long Beach to fucking the valley to all that. So, I'm kind of like taking that from my graffiti homies. From Norwalk to Pekoyama. To Norwalk to Pekoyama. So yeah. And if you don't get that, you wait from here, from here. You can't, yeah, yeah, to the, yeah. From the bottom to the top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I got to say. What's up?

No, he's like, well, what's up? I want to hear about the hike, but one thing that. This is funny. A lot of things that people don't talk about with you is you've done a lot of songwriting, not just for yourself, but other artists as well, well-known TV shows, all kinds of shit. Like, did you employ some of your battle rap tactics to your writing process when referring to other artists? Of course.

Songwriting is, if I were to battle you, right, I'm thinking about you. I'm trying to like figure out who you are. I'm trying to write the best disaster against that disaster rap. If I sit with art, if I'm sitting with you and I'm like, oh, dude, let's, even though, you know, you're going to write it from my perspective. I'm going to do the same thing. So it's the same side of the coin. Or it's the two different sides of the same coin. But then also, music to me, in the modern times, is more freestyle anyway.

And me being a blowcat and being a battle rap dude and all that shit. The thing that got me the most money that I ever got was the shit, the rebuttal thing that we do in battle rap. You can walk in the room and then this freestyle, like, based off a conversation we had, just take that, okay, cool, too. You know, put Space Bar. Let me go in there. Oh, I see what you're saying. And then just freestyle the fucking the centerpiece of the song

based off the last person last thing that somebody said. Am I able to say one of the things you wrote for? I don't want to talk about that really. You can. Or what, like, is it about a person? No, no, no, about a show. Yeah, yeah.

You talk about that. So the empire, the show empire. He did some writing for that. Yeah. And you was doing writing the reps for the Ha-Kim. And it's so funny. Like, I remember. I remember I was chilling with some of the homies and watching Hakeem.

I was like, this sound like emo-ass Jimmy rap right here. So it's just crazy to see even through him your writing process coming through. Yeah, yeah. And that process, I worked with this dude named J.R. Rodham, who has a fucking... This big of this room full of plaques and shit. I got in those sessions, and I'm sitting down and I start to try to write raps. And all them shit are too technical because we come from the rap, rat world, right? And Akeem's supposed to be kind of weak.

Like he can't even rhyme more than like. I don't know. Yeah, but that's what happened is that there was like, I stopped writing raps and I start just going in there and freestyle and I would be like, safe. That's where the magic come out like most of the times. But it wasn't that magic freestyle though. This was a different kind of, I don't want to say it, but it was like, it was like, it just out like, go in there and do some mid and then get on your bike and go back home.

It wasn't that drop the mic because you can't grip it right freestyle. It was, it was that, but without. inspiration. Oh, God. That was crazy. But that was a bag, right? Well, that is a consistent. That's a thing that, that's not a bag like up front.

The bag was the deal that got me in that door. You know what I'm saying? But fuck all that shit. Let's talk about this hiking shit. Go ahead, bust it. It's crazy. I'm trying to do Mount Whitney. I took this full.

Yeah, how we even decide to do it? I think you just invited me or how was it? We just start chopping it up on Instagram. We was just talking about shit. And then he was just like, I'm going on a hike. You should come with me. I know it was you who probably suggested it. Of course.

Just like, yeah. Because I was, you know, I've been playing soccer for like two years heavy every single day. I think you was off an injury or some shit and you couldn't play for a bit. No, it was like a light injury. Now I got my foot. My foot's fractured. Like I fractured my shit in January. But before we went on the hike, yeah, I had my foot was just healing.

Yeah. And then we went up and we took that long ass hike, man. We got a lot. We talked about a lot of shit. I mean, a lot of the things we covered, we covered right now, too. Like, you know what I mean? It was nuts hearing about how you came up Because that was one of the things I wanted to know

How he came up with his name You know what I mean? And he was explaining all that shit to me And then he didn't believe me though He didn't believe that you were no longer no can Not not long to know what he was like Did you do this to separate from the battle culture And I'm like nah

I felt like he just wanted to kill his battle character off You know I mean That's how I've seen it Because I mean people That's like killing my project blow character But no it's dope that you feel that way Because a lot of people do feel like how I'm saying They do shit like that

They would change to separate from a battle character I'm not going to put their names out there, but there has been people that have done that or just try to move on from their career and no longer use the name that they used to go by. And I feel like there's a certain point in time where you made a more harsh, or no, not harsh, but a hard separation

where you're like, I'm not fucking with battle rap. You wrote that article in LA Weekly. But now you're in like a different place with it. Because you wouldn't be trying to go to battle rap events at that time. He wasn't trying to be even immersed in the culture in the slightest degree. And now I feel like you moved past that. Yeah, yeah.

I remember that too, and I feel like that's why Lush brought that up to you in the beginning because he remembered that when he said to you, like, is it because you were like, fuck the battle rap ship, I'm on some other shit. Like, we knew, because I remember that article. Like, I remember him, like, say you was a slap in the face of the culture for show. It was, but like, I mean, I did, I kind of, to be real with you, I forgot, but I kind of was mad at the article. Yeah, as a homie.

As your homie, I wasn't. Like, I was like, I know you. I know your heart pretty well. But we didn't want to hear you say it. But like. Hell yeah. I can see why that's, yeah. No, but fools was like fools in, I wasn't because like I care about you as a person and your personal growth outside like how it affects the culture of battle rap.

But hell of people, hell of our mutuals was not fucking with that at all. They was like, what is home boy on? Yeah, but that's the thing. It's the same way this didn't want to hear me say what that quit that, no, you didn't want to hear me say the emotional shit like how it's not conscious. Like, right. Yeah. Let's be, let's be real. We exist in the world, like, balancing between, like, fucking, like, holy and evil, toxic and

fucking, you know, pure all the time. And if you choose to stay out of toxic spaces, that's going to make you really, like, holy and light, but also cornball and out of touch. You know what I'm saying? So it's imbalance. It's balance. In my life, I never had balance before. It's not even so much cornball and out of touch.

All the way in. Hold on. Everything I do. Hold on. It's not so much cornball not out of touch, but it's keeping your sword sharp. You know what I'm saying? Like if you will, you will miss a step if you're not in it, but there is a toxicity thing. And I'm going to give you that because I took my first fucking hiatus for the last, like.

And started a fucking business. Motherfucker. So like, don't say shit about me. No, and then, and I've definitely had less stress in my fucking life. Yeah. The toxicity is real, but, you know, we got to learn how to balance it. I think that's the best thing that you said is learning how to balance it is not, not being fully immersed in it or fully avoiding it. balance is key and that's something

we're all but you walked away from it at a certain point you were kind of like wait a sec I kind of like this shit still like there's something about it that's well like you could take you could take the man out battle rap but you can't take battle rap when did that happen by the way

I feel very I feel I get tears in my eyes when I go back to my old neighborhood you know what I'm saying I've had trauma in my old neighborhood right I get tears in my eyes when I go back same shit and it's like same shit with battle rap when I see all the rebuttalos and all the this and this and that.

And also I really like how battle rap is a self-sustaining world. Like battle rap doesn't need any out of touch rich old white dudes at all to exist. You know what I'm saying? And that that freedom that you get in those spaces, you feel me? It doesn't, it validates. I'm going to say this, man. Like, like if you, it's like leaving my life. leaving my neighborhood or leaving battle rap or leaving project bloating you just put yourself in the

world you are nobody you are whoever you are one of those people when i go back to lemur or when i go to south central or when i go into battle rap and i see you and i get a smile and a handshake is validating to my to my existence you know what i'm saying and the work that i put in and um and that shit feels really good to to have that and it feels really but it would feel really bad for me to go to go uh to go uh to go into the the mentality that i would that it would take for me because i'm addicted to winning yes you know what i'm saying i would everything would you know you're competitive as hell hey don't let me hold you guys man no can do still feel like he'll whip anybody's ass at a battle you know there's street fighter right there yeah I'm not to play

he he he but like he's the real like for out of anyone I've ever battled in my life anyone I've ever faced throughout my whole two decades in the shit. I'm standing in front of the most competitive person, most competitive energy, repetitive, like returning energy that never gives up I've ever dealt with my life. Unrelenting. Like, I mean, straight up, like, it was just always... That's why I have mountain shit. I love that shit.

Yeah. My knee hurts, but I'm up here! Yeah, because you just want to conquer every time you get out there, and I completely understand you on that aspect. Man, that's pretty crazy, man. I really, I take the Goku and Vegeta shit. I love that shit. Yeah, you love that fucking analogy.

because it's so fitting. So you're at Goku. I don't know. Everybody wants to make me out to look like Vegeta just because I look and I'm angry and I look and sound like him. I'm Goku motherfucker. No, no, it's cool.

We could both be Goku of Vegeta. I got some Vegeta ass shoes on. So I'll be Vegeta. But long story short, man. You look, you are Vegeta. Yeah, because I'm really evil on the inside. But I'm sweet. He comes off evil, but he's really fucking sweet.

Yeah, I'm Goku, man. But you're looking out, man. I'm glad this was finally clarified. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a big deal. You're funny, bro. Yo, hey, that's some funny-ass shit. But I'm at this.

Get on me. I meant that. Thank you, bro. All our rivalry, I love that shit because you taught me a lot. I remember, you know, I say that time from when my daughter was born to like when she was six or something like that, I was unbeatable, one scribble and all this shit, right? Maybe right before scribble. I remember battling you in the basement.

Now, this is crazy. I worked in Marina del Rey. So we all went to Culver City. My homies got me a job in Marina del Rey. We worked at a restaurant. A dude named Ryan O'Neill Spears. Shout out to him. He fucking moved to the valley.

He dated this girl named, fucking Diana or Dana or some shit. Moved to the valley. And he was like, bro, because, you know, I was cooking shit. You know, and he was like, hey, this dude named disaster out here. You know, he's cooking shit. Dda, in his own words.

And I was like, this d'i-fuck can't fuck with me, bro. I was like, that was a disaster. I was like a beat so many times. I'm not, I don't fucking care. So, dude. And I came up, we went to the basement, which is like, you know, this thing that was always happening in the valley. And, you know, that was a cakewalk for me all the time. I seen he became, he was bone.

He was like, you know, Arabian bone. Why do you keep calling me both? No, but this is how I first saw you. This thing that looked like an Armenian gangbanger with spiking hair. He was swollen as fuck. and he just walked through everybody in the battle. Glendale Gary. Glendale, something like that.

Excuse me. Please, girl. And so that's funny as shit, man. Me hating to lose. Yeah. That made me get on my shit. Like, no, it's never going to happen again. So the next time we battled was at the pit, right?

And you were, you were like me at the Project Blow back then. But hold on. Before you get to the pit, it was crazy seeing you there because I didn't know I was going to see you. Dumbfounded was there too. And he didn't know he was going to see me And I remember when I seen dumbfounded You were like way up there And I seen dumbfound and dumbfound said

Oh shit it's this guy Yeah that sounds like him Oh shit he's this guy Basically I was like yeah Would you think I wasn't gonna show up to this shit Damn that was literally Oh six man

You're talking about the basement Yeah because we I battled you guys in the same day Bro that's what was crazy And y'all battled in so many different settings I think I battle rhetoric that You all battled in different eras He did everybody that matter

y'all battled in different eras in different cities coasts that are in great way because it ended up like the last one was in grizzle was in Florida and we finally met up at that and that was just the craziest thing that's the go-ku and Bejita mode it was the fucking you know the the M on the fucking no you Vigita for that shit

bro you self-destructive Hey no we were supposed to oh no I mean Grizzlemania Hold on Grizzlement it was the return of Iron Solomon versus Ennis right they were both and it was such a big thing

you know what I'm saying they had the whole thing packed and out of nowhere one week out I don't know what the fuck happened cap we were on the phone you were in like Detroit I was in the strip club you were in Detroit you were in Detroit like Cap just made a phone call I got set up I got set up he came up with the shit right there in front of us in the fucking strip club in Detroit niggas we didn't know why are you talking about battle rap hey well we both had a week we both had a week okay I felt like he came up with the idea he was like I'm a not he's said up dude not he did it in front of us he's like we don't I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like,

you freesled on the whole battle too. You want to go to like, yeah, we didn't get set up, man. He's playing. Yeah, it's better ship clubs. I'm going to let him get this off. I'll let him get this off, but not, yeah. One week out. Yeah, yeah.

And we literally stole the whole entire show with a week prep. And we were the only people that would have been, that could have did that. Like, people would have never wanted to see a battle a week out, but they're like, this is no cannon disaster. These guys are going to trip. And we literally put on the craziest. That was literally one of the most energetic, one of my favorite battles.

Besides the Danny Myers one in DNA, probably. Me versus No Can, the final one in Grizzle, I urge everyone to watch that. No Can Do versus Disaster. I think it's called Part 2. Is it part two? Is it called that or not? I don't know. It's just Grizzlementia.

All I know is this. If you're Goku and you're Pegita, then I'm motherfucking freezer. Come on. Come on. I'm freezing. All right. No, you like Master Roshi. I'm Master Roshi.

Do you still, I see you as, I see you as like a P. Diddya battle rapper, one of those kind of guys, you know? Take that. Yeah, take that, take that. And so I feel like, do you still feel like, you know, do you feel like a battler? Or what do you feel like you're, what do you feel like you are? You know, when you look in the mirror, when you see Luswoman, what is that? I'm an artist. So you're being interviewed right now.

I transcend, I transcend whatever my medium is. is what my medium is. Okay. But what I say is this, is that in the same way, you take aspects of battle rap and approach it to everything you do from hiking to guitar to songwriting,

to your own music, I'm the same way. I'm a battler at my heart. And that's something that, like this, it ain't on me, it in me. And that's just so, that's a part of my repertoire as a human being. But as far as you go,

I'll go on record as saying, I know disaster will agree. There's not a single person that's so-called retired or sitting on the bench in the world of battle route that I would like to see make a return than you. That's crazy. It's kind of, it's not just us, bro. Like you know, there's a huge group of people that feel the same way as us.

You know what I mean? And this is not like to pressure you anything, but it's kind of like something to consider. You're the homie regardless. But it's something to consider, you know, because you have such a big legacy and you have left an imprint on people. And that's not coming from Lush 1. That's not coming from your homie. That's coming from the kid that got the impatient EP and was blown away.

And, you know, used to watch videos, watch videos, look up No Can Doe Battles, No Can Do Vers Franco, No Can Do versus Franco. No Can Doe versus Disaster. No Can Doe versus, I suppose. Whatever, you feel me? Like, look that up and was like, this is possibly the dopest freestiler of all time. Ultimate Game Tense. One of the dopest, one of the dopest freestyles of all time. and yeah I would like to see it

I told we on that hype Yeah we talked about some shit I feel like me and this I think we'll if you know We have these super competitive thing We have this relentless thing like you said But we're so fucking different Like you're such a fast-paced dude

I'm such a beachy country dude You know what I'm saying So like I always thought that clash was so interesting Um We had an opportunity to team up For the WRCs either 08 or 06 I forget. And I went to go kick it with this motherfucker.

And we were like maybe going to go right or some shit. I had a 91 fucking explorer that I got from fucking growing weed in Mendocino. It smelled like dog pissing fucking weed. Like for years. Shout to big, bro. I'm not going to say his name. Yeah.

But so, you know, I went to a fucking 7-Eleven. I went to go get some goddamn cigarettes. This motherfucker started arguing with the Arabic dude behind the counter. I was like, now I ain't fucking with this dude. But so I end up, you know, teaming up with somebody. That was a poor decision because I ended up teaming up with somebody that didn't have my same work ethic. You know what I'm saying?

That same shit happened to me because of that. Yeah. Dude, you know, we knew that the event was going to happen a month later or two months later. And I'm a slow motion right of line a day, freestyle on myself. That shit coming to me, woo-to-do-woo. But I'm going to consolidate everything and get it ready. The hardest part for me is memory, you know. But so I devote, you know,

I would devote that to the last week or so. Man, I end up kicking with this one fucker. And he ended up, he was like, help me write the shit. I don't got nothing this and that. But every time we would kick it, you know, we end up. Before that, we end up somewhere drinking, playing beer pong and all this other shit. And I'm like, fuck, I should have teamed up with him. And so, long story short, it's so similar what happened to me.

Yeah. It was a person that didn't take as serious as I did. Yeah, you know, they fucking have, you know, they don't have the same drive. And also it's probably just because they're a little bit comfortable in life. So long story short, long story short, if I were to do a battle, I would like, it's like a re-to-reash, not rehash, but to get a redo on that, I would do a two-on-two with you. And the money has to be right. Y'all heard that, man. Did we just hear what we just heard right now?

Are you just composing symphonies to my ears? And I mean, that would be crazy as hell, and it would be kind of one of those things that was supposed. that was supposed to happen, but now it's happening. That was supposed to happen. And that's crazy because we're getting to the end of this shit. So like that's nuts. You drop that bomb. We talked about this.

I didn't really think that, you know, you would actually say this. But I do feel for the platform that we have created, for this type of environment that we have brought back and the excitement and the way we're doing things, it would only work in this type of stuff. scenario. And if anything, that's a great idea that we need to put up there and look at revisit at some point, you know, because I know you got your shit going on. We got our things going on. But this is definitely something to revisit. And, you know, maybe when we do some kind

of two-on-two event, because I never even considered doing another one anytime soon, you know what I'm saying? But like I would if we did it. You know what I'm saying? That I would, you know what I'm saying? That would be really crazy. And just to see you coming back, I think it would be nostalgic and it would wrap up a crazy-ass eras you hosting me no can do it two on two i think it would just i already know who i'm gonna be too that that would be like that would be like a full circle crazy event who would the ob's be no he we ain't gonna put the opponents out we got to think who it is we got we got to we got to think about a bunch of them but yeah there's only a few that makes sense but yeah that's a really great idea man well shit you heard it here man this's

been a fucking incredible podcast today man anything else we want to shout out there's one of them We might need to have him come back. You want to put in some plugs? Anything you want to shout out? Yeah. I got an album called Half Child, Half Devil. Stream it on all the platforms. There you go.

And All City, Jimmy. And I just want to shout out to everybody. Hope y'all having a good day and enjoy the podcast. And eat a dick if you didn't. Yeah. A and CA all day. Well shit, man. It's been an amazing podcast.

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