No Jumper - G.T. on Growing Up in Detroit's Red Zone, Near Fatal Car Accident & More

Episode Date: January 31, 2023

Detroit's own GT talks about his early days, his rise, fashion, new project, Vezzo, Babyface Ray, fatherhood, and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 0:05 G.T. speaks on growing up in the "red zone" in Detroit, losing his father when he was in the 8th grade 3:10 G.T. on people thinking he was weird for wearing Rick Owens in the hood in 2015, winning best dressed in school, wearing Versace in the 1st grade 4:40 How most of his memories of Detroit being before the economic downfall and says there wasn't a lot of beef coz everybody had money 5:50 G.T. says Los Angeles used to be a nice place to come to but now it's like Detroit 6:50 G.T. on being in the background when Adam was interviewing BandGang 7:45 Transitioning from being more into fashion, to focusing on music and winning the school talent show 11:00 Adam asks for G.T.'s ethnic breakdown, choosing a birthday over a bar mitzvah 12:50 G.T. on always making music with Vezzo and Babyface Ray since they were kids, knowing Babyface Ray since the 7th grade and being in the school band with him 15:30 Adam says that there's gotta be some excellent Detroit group chats and G.T. says that group chats are messy 16:30 G.T. speaks not wanting to take people for granted and reacts to Adam's other career 18:30 G.T. on how Peezy was one of the first people he was around to gain traction in the music industry 20:00 The impact of the Flint sound in the rap game and gives his take on Rio Da Yung Og 22:30 G.T. speaks on longevity being the main goal for a lot of artists in Detroit and being inspired by Curren$y and Larry June 26:10 G.T. on when he first felt like he was having success of his own within music 28:00 G.T. speaks on signing his first few artists in Detroit to "Money Counter Music" 28:50 The noticeable difference in the songs he's featured on, compared to his music on his solo projects and what those features did for his career 30:50 G.T. on his fans being happy that he's been making music consistently again and not sounding like everybody else in Detroit ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And you know we had to do it to him. You know we had to get GT in the building. How you feeling, man? I'm good, man. How you feeling, man? Excellent. I'm glad to have you in here, man.

It's like, I feel like I've been kind of documenting the explosion of Detroit pretty diligently for the last couple years. Had a lot of real bangers in there. Remember I told you? You told me a long time ago, like, oh, we're going to get one in one day? Remember? Was it when you came in? He was like, you had tagged me. He was like, you was like, you know, a lot of rappers told me something.

But GT really meant that. And you told me. You didn't remember you hit me? Okay. Yeah, I did say that. Yeah. I could tell that you meant it. And we sit here right now.

It's a blessing. No, but I'm going to be real with you. It's like I feel like you're kind of in, like, a way different place career-wise right now than you were a couple years ago. It feels like you kind of came a long way and you've really developed your own style and are bringing something. unique to the table and the fans are actually reciprocating and they're actually really doing your homework out here and let me know that you're really in tune with the culture because I got a game soon I definitely um I definitely um created a new whole wave since back then I was a real thought off like one foot in the streets one

for it out okay so when you I used to be you're saying that like I know you had a lot of business going on and trying to get to the highest potential it could possibly be Like right now it's like the perfect time for the, though, like, legendary right now. Definitely. So let's go back to the early days of exactly where you are coming from. Seven mile road, man. Okay. You said, I'm really originally from the red zone, though.

Like, if you ever hear it's side of the baby and I'm saying the red zone, that's where I originally grew up at. And, you know, getting kicked out of schools as a kid and had to move with grandma and shit. And I moved over to another hood, which is called the Green Zone. Wait, so your parents sent you to live with your grandparents? Just my, my mama, yeah. Well, I was bad as hell, man. Dad wasn't? I got kicked out first day at school.

Dad wasn't around too much, or? He was in the, um, he had passed away when I was in the eighth grade. Oh, shit, okay. I'm sorry, hear that. Yeah, no, rest of the soul, he's a good dude, all around, good person, dog. Right. He took care of the whole hood. You know how that shit, though, man.

But you were getting exposed, or you were getting in trouble from my early age? Yeah, he was locked up. He did his jail time. You know, like the stuff like that, just being raised in the streets and just being raised around older, really ain't. Had no vision. They thought being a hood star was the best shit you can be. The best thing that you could possibly do was just to be kind of like famous on your block.

Exactly. And then you grew up and you got the internet and you realized like, oh, there's a big world out there. It was before the internet. Like, see, I was the type of, you know, Adam, like, when I got a chance to go work a real job, like, you know how you go to the suburbs. Yeah, I was raised in them. And you go to, you know, like, you know, when you go to, like, these high fashion stores and high, high stores, and then they get looked at like they thieves or they might steal. So I went to apply there and worked there so people know my face and know my people face and just got a job in the suburbs and worked there and got cultured that way.

You know, like, just had to get that balance. So I always had seen a different vision just from being in the hood. hood like I was wearing like Rick Owens and Rav Simmons and people thought it was weird and what year we're talking? 2015, 2014, 2013. Like when I just was old enough to be like, this is what I want to do, like find something to do. Worked at a store car revive.

It's a real big popular store in Michigan. Real big. And this is like a fashion thing? Yeah, it's all fashion, yeah. And they got like the biggest stars come there to shop when they get to Michigan and shit like that. Right. So that was like your first calling was the fashion? Or you were just sort of involved in the scene because of that?

Or how'd this work? I won best dress in school like that. I'd always been a fresh flask. I'm type of a head, you know, Versace shirt on in first grade pictures like that. My daddy was like the boss man. Really? I was wearing iceberg. Versace in first grade.

It's pretty wild. Like that, Versace, no, real Versacee shirts, though. Especially like in Detroit. I feel like if you were to see that in Hollywood. or Beverly Hills, it wouldn't maybe strike you as that crazy. But out there, I must really stand out. I mean, in Detroit back then in the 90s, it seemed like every, like, family was kind of like having,

you know, like doing their thing. Like, it ain't get bad to the early 2000s. So your memories of Detroit are before the whole economy really, the bed. Yeah, bro, it was like, bro, it was so fun to go outside. Like, to just ride up a block and see everybody at every house just, doing family, like, you don't even see that no more. Like, yeah, because they say that, like, Detroit has the lowest population density of anywhere in the country.

So basically, like, it's a big, fucking huge city that got built when the economy was doing great. And then so many people left that, and I believe that that's kind of part of why the crime is so bad is because people are so spread out, takes cops forever to get anywhere. There's not that many cops, et cetera. I think the crime is so bad is because they put all that damn money out there and then they snatched it away, man.

Oh, the EDD? Because everything, the murders was down, the crime was down when the PPP was out, motherfuckers was, the killers was chilling with the other killers. You know, niggas was doing their thing with the ops. It wasn't even no real beef going on when everybody had some money. As soon as the money disappeared, this shit just got real, real hectic. I think that'd go for anywhere right now. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of people who tell you that about L.A. as well.

L.A., bro. I ain't going to lie. LA was a cool-ass place to come For like out of tall people, I guess Not no more You don't feel like it feels like that anymore This shit feels like Detroit Nah but you could

You could do your thing You just probably shouldn't have too much jewelry on That's Detroit Once you gotta start motherfucking Watch your back like you do at home Shit you might as well stay at home Right That's how I look at this shit man

Like this shit man This place used to be a good ass vibe Like you can go stand outside the W And chill shit. Yeah. I mean, those memories of the fact

that when we moved to Melrose and we're out there, like every day, just standing out there on the blog, nobody was even thinking about having a gun in the store. We didn't have security.

We were just chilling. And then when I think about it now, that feels, like, obviously my position has changed a lot, but that just feels like a huge risk. It was, bro.

We were just playing ourselves like real liabilities, bro. Like, the way you, I ain't going to lie, you're impressed the fuck out of me, bro. Like, I'm a nigga

who's played the best. background when you interview band gang and shit when they first came all way back then shit i knew you were there yeah yeah okay i'm sitting in the background i'm watching this shit i watched up it was just no indian we ain't had to sign no fucking thing we didn't had to take no picture of our face we didn't have to do shit it was just like airy man but it and it was 50 of us in your shit oh it's crazy yeah i remember yeah yeah the drago and beano interview is amazing shit was crazy bro we had so many people in there it's almost like impossible to imagine not many blunts being surprised you're smoked in such a small room.

Oh, my God. You couldn't even, I swear, don't. I probably just a real Davis to my health. Just by not having proper ventilation. Because you can smoke a lot. You just need the air to be clear. Man, you got this shit going on, though, Adam, bro. That's some real motivating shit to see, though,

coming from another entrepreneur and shit. Appreciate that, man. Thank you. Real. Okay. But so you're sort of involved in the fashion scene or, like, doing your thing, working for stores and stuff.

So how do you get closer to the music side of things? Or where does your life go from there? Man, I was doing music since I was, like, 11 years old, 10 years old, these older dudes that was cool with my mom and shit. They had a studio in the basement across the street from the house and shit. And there was this dude named Chris T. He was like, Little Bawaw or something, Little Romeo of our neighborhood. Like, he had all the motherfucking fans, dog. Right.

He would perform at all the backyard parties and be the kid. everybody wanted to go see at the parties and shit he got a real bad car accident where he fucked his vocal box up like it was something to where it was like, it was bad bro like he ain't, I don't think he do music to this day like I still don't think he do

doing music and and he used to just help me and shit with them and we used to just be down the basement fucking around with my cousin Benson really the one who really helped me put in perspective he had the MPC and all the little shit and he held me, he told me to go home one day

and I still tell rappers this shit all the time like kid rappers, they ask me how they can be a rapper and shit. He told me to go home and make a list of everything that I mess with like in life, like a list of the cars, a list of my peers, a list of the clothes and jury and whatever the fuck I like to wear

and then bring him back to paper and then he started making sentences out of the shit like I might have put a corvette on there or I might have in my first rap was like see I'm 11 but I spit like I'm 17 you never seen heat until my seat he hit the scene like shit like shit like shit like shit like he was just helping me put it and I want a school talent show and shit really yeah yeah had to clean up the lyrics and everything I'm sure when these kids yeah I ain't cussing I had this shit all figured out he had it all right for me you had me winning little talent shows and shit right because I remember

like having school talent shows and there would always be one kid who rapped and it was never really like the cool kid in school. It always, because it wasn't exactly like a cool thing to try to be a rapper when I was in school just because there was like no possibility of it happening. But I just remember like a couple different times, like some kid from the basketball team would get up there and rap and he would have to censor it all. Make it super corny. And I'd just be sitting there like, what the fuck?

Hey, look, Adam, true story. We did a talent show dog and I think we was in like the fucking seventh grade. We got it. My man's got suspended. He made a girl kissed the ring. At the end of his rap, You got trouble for that? They said you do it as a pimp shit.

Wow. He said he made a girl kid Where he learned that shit, bro. That's amazing. Yeah, that's, man. Damn. Yeah. My other memory of a school talent show

is that they said, does anybody want to drink this gallon of eggnog? And they said, we'll give you like 20 bucks if you drink this eggnog. And I went up there and did it. Went to an all-white school, then you back then. Mostly white. Oh, that shit never, we ain't even had none of that shit in school.

I feel it. Wait, what's your ethnic breakdown? My daddy, black, my mom is, she mixed, like. Okay. But she's a Jew, though. Okay. So you, I'm Jewish. You relate to the Jewish people?

I just don't, like, study the, you know, nothing about it. Right. I chose a birthday over a Burmyss for, dog. Like an asshole, dog. My mama said, you want a birthday party? or Bart Miss. Me, I didn't want to wear a yarmaca. So when I was like, damn, none of my friends in school wear a yamaca,

they're going to talk about them when I get to school. Fuck that. Having a birthday party. But I didn't even know that they would have funded my college or a type of shit. Like, they would have gave me money for school, you know, to take care of real business. That's what I was thinking. I would look at the Jewish kids when I was growing up and be like,

damn, I wish I was Jewish at least so I could have one of these sick-ass parties that they're having. Because I'd be hearing about the gifts they began. I never got a chance to hear about it. Adam, because I was in the hood, though. You got to think my daddy was a nigga. You know, my daddy was a nigga from the hood. And he just took my mom, and it was just straight to the hood. And her Jewish side of the family,

they always would invite us to shit that we would go over there. And they would just feel so uncomfortable, bro, because they were so on another level from what I had to go back to, you know, back when I lived. Yeah, definitely. But I remember, like, a kid in high school, I figured what the dollar amount might have been. I mean, when I said, like, five or ten grand that he got from his bar mitzvah, I'm in high school.

That's a lot of money. I never, I remember getting paid like $500 in my first job for a week of work when I was like 16, not my first job, but my first, like, well-paying job and being like, I've never had $500 before. And these kids are 16 getting five grand from their bar mitzvah. I couldn't believe it. That's a lot of money, man. They're getting way more nowadays, man. They're getting shit. Yeah.

Okay, so where were we? I'm back. Right, there you go. But where were we before that? Shade nowhere. You asked me my ethnicity. Okay. Well, so you were working to the store and stuff,

and then you were making music at the same time. I always made music. Me, baby face, Ray, Bezo, Peezy. We always been making music so we was kids. And so you knew them since, like, what age? I knew Ray since seventh grade. Wow. Seven grade, going in the eighth grade.

We was in the same band together and shit. back in middle school. Like the school band? Yeah, the school band and shit. And, um, like, Bezo, he was a nigga who was already, like, excelling as a rapper when we was kids.

He had his own videos on green screens and shit like that. Like, he had a manager. He had songs. He was the first person to put me on the CD when I was a kid. And I took it to Ray. Like, Ray, look, Bezo put me on this shit. Right. Ray helped me motherfucking write the verse.

That's crazy. Just in retrospect, you're able to look at that and be like, damn, that's a fuckload of, like, successful rappers who are all in the same place at the same time, and there would have been no real reason to know that any of them were going to go anywhere in particular, right? Somebody just asked me that shit the other day.

Like, did y'all think that y'all was going to be where y'all at right now when y'all was doing this shit every single day? I don't even think it was because we had any, like, vision of that. I think it was just because we loved to do music, And it kept us out of harm's way. Like, we all link up at the studio, and it would just be like... But there's a lot of people who love making music. It's like there has to have been some degree of, like, competition between each other.

Or just observing each other's skill sets and getting better. They all from different neighborhoods. Yeah. We all different from different hood. So we all bring that shit to the table. Like, we all, even when we came to the studio, all our entourages will be different. It's from different hood. So it'd be like, once we all click...

up is like damn who can show what you was doing over here in your hood what you was doing over here peasy or what you was doing baby face ray over here gt this how you coming over here because we all literally like ray and um bezo they're from the same neighborhood peasy snoop they come from each other me i got seven mile on the east side then you got peri d nice you know like this shit was big bro it was like just a whole bunch of hungry We still here to this day, though. Like, we still keep in touch with each other every day. Not every single day, but you know what I mean.

Like, it's all love to the maximum. There's got to be some epic Detroit group chats. Yeah, we don't really be. Not me and my niggas. I don't know, like, group chat shit messy as hell. You're not in, like, a group chat with, like, Yadi and Vezza. Like, every person who's, like, Detroit adjacent. There's got to be, like, a super group chat.

For sure. For sure, it got to be. Fuck, I need in there. For sure, me too. I need it. They need to add me back in. They took you out? I'd be out of the loop, bro.

Oh. I'm out of the loop. Wait, are you saying the group chat to get messy, though? That's just, like, an assumption of yours? It's like, I just think, oh, that shit is messy. It don't even stay in the group. Hmm. It don't ever be the people that's in the group that know.

Somebody always outside the group know what's going on in the group check. Oh, yeah. One of our homies that girl went and read the group chat one time. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That shit messy right there. Then she's like. But that had me thinking, differently about every single thing I said in there for like a week or two.

I don't cheat on my girl, so I really got nothing to hide. But it definitely made me think about everything from like the perspective of a woman. Man, dog, speaking that cheating shit, dog. That's something I had to motherfucking learn, dog. That shit literally gets you nowhere, dog. That shit gets you nowhere. Why, you've had some bad experiences with your own cheating? Yeah, I'm, I just pulled myself out the doghouse right now.

I'm in the best shape I can be right now. I'm just building my shit back up, my foundation, man. Yeah. Because chasing these girls out here, these girls don't want shit, bro. With your money. That's how you feel. That's how they come. But you got a good one that you realize how valuable she is now?

Can't take it for granted, bro. Tell me. Yeah, any gray relationship, I think there needs to be some cheating at the beginning so the guy can kind of get his head screwed on straight. I be seeing you, though. She needs to almost leave for you to realize how much you need her. That's what happened. And if you're okay with letting her go, you can just let it go.

But if you really want her back, that might be the time when you decide, like, all right, I'm going to try to get my shit together. But who really okay with that, though, Adam? Like, you build all this time and you invests all this, you know, this time and this game and all this shit you done taught and she doesn't talk you. Why do you want to see her to go do that shit with somebody else? Be for real. If you know that's the right person.

Yeah. You don't want to see that. Yeah. Once you really start thinking about it. Well, but when I was younger. Niggas be acting hard, but they really stomach being. they like nuts like when they when they girl on a date with another nigga dog they'd be sick like they can be sick like about to call his mama like what do i do yeah because i'd have been sick

damn so she got that far away that you no no but you know how she didn't go on a date's you know how i go yeah oh man i can't even imagine that would have that would have been tough to take i'd be seeing you do your thing though yeah but just on camera you're a porous story ain't you Yeah, but it's like, you know, you don't rap just walking down the street. You rap in the studio to make shit that you want to make money off, right? I'm not fucking... You're a hard nigga, though. I ain't going to... I appreciate that.

You're a hard nigga to just go that. So who blew up first, though, out of that whole little crew? Like, who really started seeing success? Well, you said I swear it was kind of doing well early on. Peasy and motherfucker. Peasy always been to start, though. Like, he always been a hit, making a motherfucker. He always had a song on a radio.

like um i could say like as far as like nationally and globally baby face raiders is like the last one who really did it the exact way it's supposed to be done in my eyes like he did it the right way right definitely and when do you feel like the the new like detroit wave kind of took over because i realized that you've really kind of like separated yourself from it musically to a certain extent but there's definitely a style that came in and i'm not sure exactly how you're you you would identify when it kind of began, but- Like the Rio, the young OG song, but they're from Flint though,

so they brought their own package with them, like, it was like Rio was grinding every day, can't take nothing from him and Mike, they grind hard for this shit, like nobody can ever take their sound from them, they can't copy off nobody, Y&J, none of them. That's their shit, like, that's their own niche. Like, everybody who come from Flint,

they got that pattern, that pocket and shit. Right. Detroit, It's not that it's the payroll, hell of a. It's like that, it's that gritty sound that you hear like that. Right. Made the Stalian shit that you hear. But don't you feel like the Flint sound at a certain point

almost kind of infected Detroit as well? And like at least had a big influence? Fuck yeah. All the new rappers and shit coming out with this style. Like that's they just, they style. People like that shit. A lot of people love that shit. You got real industry people taking that style.

and pausing and playing with the shit. All the time. Now, they took over and did a lot of damage in the rap game, bro. Right. Damn. That's crazy when you think about the fact that we haven't heard New Rio music in a couple years now. He just dropped some shit. Oh, he dropped a project from shit before?

No, he, you know, he recorded a lot of music and shot a lot of videos before he went to jail, so he'd been slowly releasing shit on his IG and shit. I got a tap into that. Yeah, that shit updated. You need to go check it off. Right. Yeah, it's just crazy to think about, like, how much we were listening to him for so long there.

And then I've been kind of tapped out since, but, yeah, I should definitely get on those new releases. I think his numbers is, like, probably the best day ever been right now. Really? Yeah. That's incredible if that's true. I swear, I think his number's, like, the best day ever been. Wow. That's amazing.

So, I mean, like, you're talking about coming through with Drago and Beano and stuff. What, like, how did you end up coming out there with them? And, like, is that, like, a special type of thing where you guys just to, side like oh fuck all 40 of us are about to head out to LA and go just make some moves back then I was with putty like putti every day I was with um Pooley being like band gang CEO um and I was just thugging shit just with my people you know just regular shit but just be you know I did I'm just like a OG kind of but you were you must have but have a certain level of motivation to get on playing and actually

come out to LA just to, you know, meet people and just be with your boys out here and stuff. Like, like, were you already, like, foreseeing your rap shit taking off? Yeah, round in, I was about to, like, try to take it as serious as I could take it. And I had gave up. I used to give up all the time. Like, that's one thing I had to stop doing, though, like, making excuses and giving up when I'm getting almost to the mark and did it. it feel like I'm getting uncomfortable or I ain't doing enough and I just stop and try to switch it up.

But I feel like if you fight through that uncomfortable and that, you know, that hardship time where you feel like you're in a dark cloud, then know the sun going to come after the rain. There's just like so many rappers who kind of, like we're so used to seeing rappers kind of have to blow up within like the first six months or year that they're like well known at all. And it's interesting seeing Detroit where you have all these guys who've really managed to like, grind and grind to build the fan base and are now kind of seeing the real results of it. It's just longevity. That was the main goal anyway. Like longevity and just really being in this shit like, we watch currency and, you know, a lot of niggas like currency and Larry June and how they just create a brand around the music. It's just more than music. Your fans, they can get into the cars and they can get into the love of the clothes. You rock and all that.

that shit like and that's where every single person like ice where he bring with all the jury and shit he make you feel like number one dope boy you got ray feel like the coolest nigga in the world you know everybody bring their own shit to the table so when you build in the following like that you just got to like I guess like keep being real and keep being you who would you say were your biggest musical influences though whether is Detroit based or even before that Or outside. Blay Icewood was my first music. Really?

Like he was the best, like, you know, they'd be like, you pop in your shit. Like, he was the best person that I ever seen pop his shit, like, get his flex on. Like, dudes from Detroit, like, Street, Lorraine and shit like that. Like, um, just watching Jay-Z take, you know, parts of Biggsburg life and, um, you know, parts of Biggs, Burke life, and you know, Emery and put it all in one pot and Taita and all of them and just

and know how to just paint a picture what's really going on that he see every day. You just take that and then use it as motivation and put it into your game. But like, Little Wayne and shit like that, how he was bad ahead of his time, how he dropped all that

lollipop shit and shit like that. I feel like if he would have dropped that shit three, four years ago, it would have been the best shit in the world people ever heard, but since it was so new to the ear, they downplayed it, like, at the time. Just be ahead of the curve. Right.

My only motivation, for real. You know, there's, like, a thing I've noticed before, which is that I very rarely hear rappers talk about rapping just because, like, I don't know if maybe it, like, seems uncool, or maybe I just don't get to hear these conversations because I don't rap, so it's like... Come out, like how sports niggas be talking about sports all the time. Do they?

Well, no, because, like, but like the actual game you know like like I feel like no matter how much I hang out with a bunch of NBA players I'm not going to hear them talking about like the different styles of dribbling that much like that takes place on the court right but you like do you feel like you guys actually

like all these dudes you came up around do you actually have like real in-depth conversations about the art of rapping or is this just shit that happens when you're in the studio and it doesn't really get discussed that's it don't never get discussed that's a good ass that's a good ass thing that you just said like I never I never heard nobody break down.

The logic of this shit. Interviewed a lot of rappers, I had to get creative. Asked me hard as shit, too. But you guys don't, it's not like a verbal thing. No, it ain't, though. We just literally, like you said, it's just a friendly competition, though. You go in there and I guess you could say

you're trying to outdo the next. If you want a song with somebody, you're definitely trying to outdo them. I don't give a fuck who you want a song with. You're just trying to do your best. Right. That's just how I go. When did you start to feel like you were having success of your own?

To be honest, like in the last probably like three years, like when I just consistently dropped a project every three months. Every 90 days I was dropping a project. And it just built a, like you said, just built my own following. Like I ain't need to be with nobody. I ain't need to be with none of my brothers. I ain't need to have no features. Nothing I just could drop.

my music I successfully do numbers and then I just seen it just growing like you said and I created a brand called Money Counter music and you know that's just like some more wavy shit some more and that's it money counter one of the best uh ad libs to insert into your songs real yeah i use that motherfucker all the time do you really you get paid and cash that often i get paid a lot that's how i even came on with the motherfucker label, man, I always would call my money in the studio. That'll be my safe little spot.

I'd dump all my money on my pockets on the table and put the money counter on it. I have a money counter, I think I used it once. Getting too much money, your shit, don't even need to be caught. It's getting counted. You got weigh it. It's coming by the bank. That shit already tell you

what it is, $2,000, $2,000. No, but it's a fucking pain in the ass because you feed the stack of bills into it. It gets caught up in there. It gets caught up, and it tells you the number of bills. but it's not going to tell you what the bills are, which is what I thought that this was going to actually do. You gotta get that other money counter to the bank will.

Oh, so the bank one will sort, the bank would have sort that bitch off of fives, tens, hundreds and tell you exactly what you got. It doesn't give you problems with the wrinkly-ass ones? Yeah. You have like a one that's torn in half? Might not work? Oh, the bitch ain't work.

Interesting. So money counter music, you just came up with this as your, like, label name? Like, what are you playing on doing under that name? on doing under that name i own that i'm just playing on um like right now i got a couple um artists i'm fucking with like brille he out of oakland he based out of the bay area um like j luciano jrucci i got a whole bunch of people in detroit that's really taking music serious though like but money counter music i got money counter motors like i got a whole bunch of

old school cars worth a lot of money and shit and i'm just building all all this shit up, merch, you know, everything. Like, I feel like I first heard you rapping on other rapper songs. I first heard you, like, having a verse here and there, and you're, you know, when you're getting a verse on somebody else's song, you got to, you could have a different flow, but it's going to be in the same, like, family of flows if you're rapping on the same beat, right? And then I listen to, like, your solo projects, and I'm like, oh, shit, he, like, rap's completely

different, and it has mad different styles, and you're really a lot more, like, hip hop, than a lot of the, you know, hip-hop traditional hip-hop, in a sense, like compared to a lot of these other dudes from Detroit. So is that, like, early on? Was that some of your cognizant of? Like, oh, I'm kind of having to, like, hop on these beats and do my own thing? It's like that Motown shit. It just come from, like, having chapters of the, like, my CDs, if you go,

like, I hope one day when I get to the level where I get big enough to people, like my music enough to go back to my old shit and see how I really started, like, they're going to hear a real, story from start to finish like to where I'm at now like everything I wrapped about back then I manifested in now and shit like that like any type of goals I wanted to attain and do whatever that I had to do in life I wrapped about that shit and then it started with Relentless and I was like sworn in like money counter music right so yeah when you uh when you think

Think about what like really caused your music to start to gain a fan base though. Was it those features or was it just the fact that you kept putting projects together and like then the feature energy sort of fed over? I ain't never had no big features like as far as me doing features. Some of the Drago-A-Bito shit that you bet on it was like kind of big, right? I mean like for the for the yeah, I guess right at the moment. But it really did more for them. Okay. At that time, because I ain't had no projects.

Okay, you didn't really officially really shit at that time? Then I started taking off, like I started taking off a couple years after that. Then I just start just taking off, locked in with myself. Right. Do you have people wishing that you would rap more like the average Detroit rapper, or are they fully embracing the direction that you've been going in? Right now, they're like just happy as fuck that I'm doing music on a consistent basis. Like, they're just happy at that alone because I'll use.

used to stop for like six months, then drop. But now I've been feeding my, you know, supporters. But six months are a pretty normal time to not put out a project, right? I'm not often even dropping. I mean, I wouldn't even put a project out for years. Like, I didn't even have a project out. My first project took me so many years to drop. I used to say GT coming soon on the internet all the time to the point where motherfuckers

would be like, bro, I ain't waiting no more. Right. I'm like, all right. But it was the best shit, though, back then. What did GT come from? That's my real name. Oh, okay. First and last name.

Just regular name. You ever ride a GT when you were a kid? In the Mustang? The bikes. Yeah. I had a Schwinn, too. GT was the shit when I was a kid. Yeah.

G.T. was everything. I ain't going to lie. I want a GT right now, the bike just to put on the wall. You should get the chain with that logo. Yeah, I was thinking about that. That'd be hard. I got the Georgia Tech. The whole GT performer bike on there?

Yeah. That's viral. You ain't lying though. Georgia Tech too. Okay, there you go. That Georgia Tech with the B on there. Right. Are there any other good GT, well, the car thing that you said, right?

Yeah. I don't fuck with no Mustang G. I don't fuck with no Mustangs at all. Right. You'll be in the tree. Why, they just tend to crash or what? I don't go fuck how good of a driver you think you is. You're sliding that Mustang.

You're going to hit some shit. Right. It just ain't, I don't know what it is about Mustang. They're weak as hell, man. So, have you, you've kept your nose clean legally for the most part throughout your life? Hell no, I used to be bad as hell at them, bro. Really? I caught so many damn cases, man.

When I was a kid, like, growing up, just bullshit gun cases and shit like that. I ain't had to do no long time in jail. Like, the longest time I didn't jail was like a month. hundred and a half. Mm-hmm. But, yeah. It still must have been

pretty depressing. Did that give you any time to think about what you're trying to do with your life? Yeah. I think I really changed like when I, in 2015,

I had gotten this accident. I was leaving a club. I hit a car going face to, going 85 miles per hour face to face. My foot got caught on the pedal.

I was sleep. Oof. I hit a car face-to-face. I broke 22 ribs, bro, both of my lungs collapsed. 22 ribs? Is that like all your ribs? We only got 24.

The only two I didn't break was the two that's flowing. I guess we got some flowing ribs and I'm the only two that didn't break. The other 22 I broke. All connected to my body. How long were you in the hospital? Man, for a long-ass time,

bro. I lost my spleen. All type of shit. I had both of my lungs collapsed. I had the trache in my throat, bro. I was fucked up, bro. Is your voice different now as a result of that? Man

Yeah Like my old music Don't sound nothing like my new music Made it a little bit more like a croak Kind of yeah But you don't never crack at nothing like that Like how come he fell asleep I was high

Just going overboard Like just Into them high Don't be doing that shit man Call an Uber or a lift man High like so I'm guessing weed. Yeah.

Lean. It was really the Xanax back then. Oof. 2015, them bitch is fucked me up. Yeah. I hope ain't nobody

heard doing those Xanax, man. Yeah. 2015, I was consuming a lot of those. Yeah, I was fucked up around that time. Yeah,

it's crazy how many rappers have like a video clip out there, like an interview clip with them talking about like something insane that happened to them of Zanz. Oh, my God.

Like, I've just heard some insane horror stories. on here you know it was bad for it i don't even i'm just thank god that we made it out of that stage to where we like damn that shit is passive yeah but i almost died for that shit though for real though like i had three blood transfusions all type of shit wow shit ain't no game like so when you got out though how long did it take before you started to really feel like yourself like does it take a long as time yeah took like a year to recover i was in on a bed rest for like probably like six six months straight.

What the fuck? When I got out of the hospital, I had to still lay in a bed six bucks straight. You had a girl at the time who held you down during this, or who was taking care of you? At that time, I had my motherfucking son on the way. But I went with my baby mama and then. I just had my son on the way. She was pregnant with my son. So that kind of was like, damn, I was like, when I got an accident, I was thinking, like,

you know, I got this kid. I was just fucked up, bro. When I woke up, I tried to talk. I couldn't say shit, though. Like, I was like, I couldn't even believe that shit. Writing on a paper for like a year and a half. Can't talk. Drinking shit, shit coming out your neck.

I got to, fuck it. I had it, man. I had a big-asshold of my neck. Were you just cursing the Zanz this whole time? The Zans is nothing to play with, bro. Them bitches are black you out, dog. Because I drive home, I drink some lean, smoke some weed, dry home. We've all done it.

We didn't did it. But them Xanax, man, them bitch just take you to the... I went home, bro. I left the club, dropped my homeboy off, went to my grandma crib, put on a whole brand-new outfit, and that's the only thing that they told me that. I woke up, my clothes was cut up to me. I woke up with like, bro, look at this shit Oh, fuck, you got one

Yeah, 28 staples up my shit What year was this? 2015 Right Damn No, yeah I mean, I have some nights in my life That I'm still trying to figure out what happened

When I think about it I'm like Little pieces just keep coming back to you Of like, oh, I was there I went to this fucking studio I went to this club I did something Yeah

Like what? I did that Like I'd be like But, and then they see what you're doing right now, and then they be like, man, I'm so glad you made it out of that, though. Yeah. Yeah, that shit was bad. The worst feeling is reading through your text trying to figure out what you did last night. What about losing your whole motherfucking phone, your, everything, your whole motherfucker?

Your car? Everything. No, I ain't ever seen that. Dude, where's my car? I ain't never leave that car. Hmm. But I don't feel asleep in that car off the embargoes, man, in front of some shit. in the line

in the fast food lad and stopped the whole line, man. Right. I used to live in this area where I had a terrible time parking in Koreatown. And I drove home

all the Zanz. I parked my car. But I would have to park my car hella far, like almost a mile away from my crib. I know it's like almost impossible to imagine, right?

And so I wake up and I have to like ride my bike around my fucking neighbor. like encircling every single street pressing the fucking button on the key just praying that i'm gonna ride by my car and i don't remember where exactly i found it i'm sure i found it eventually but it's just like and you and you have that feeling of that zan hangover where you're kind of pissed off man that shit is a fucking demon man yeah this shit costs too cheap not to be a demon that shit is the cheap because lean has this natural regulation on it because it's like if you want to do it it's so

than unless you're like super successful you just are not going to be able to consume that much of it exactly You're right you're hit it right on the nose so did you end up leaving most of that shit behind or you just get more responsible with it I don't be trinked lean Mm-hmm none of that shit I don't fucking no bar I ain't never touched the Xanax since the day I got the motherfucker accident Mm-hmm that was the last time dog that shit that shit fuck me up I ain't gonna lie when I woke up And I seen all the motherfuckers up my stuff I can't even believe that shit, though. I ain't going to lie.

Yeah. That must have been tough. I had chest tubes coming out everywhere, my mouth, or all that shit. So, okay, now that you're in this place, like, what do you really feel like is the thing that you need to do to take your career to the next level? Or to just, you know, become the vision that you have in your head? I think I gotta It's time to like When it comes to the visuals and shit

It's time to like shoot the best visuals I can shoot There's no more time for that like just standing out Running and gun and shit like that Like even if I'm not putting a whole bunch of thought into it I'm still putting an effort into it Like it just be getting comfortable With just throwing shit out there and yeah that shit okay But I'm trying to take this shit to the next level

Like be a real superstar I don't know like maybe I might I might come out with all leather on with the stars up to the side, man let my hair out, take the braids out and put the white Kirkobane shades on. Right.

And just turn to it alter ego, man, not even. Go full rock star on them. I swear, man. Full rock star. I can see it. It might work. It's going to work.

Yeah. Ain't no, Mike, we're going to do this thing. Ain't no, Mike, we're going to do it. I'm going to tell you. We're going to do it. Yeah. You're going to be on here interviewing my alter ego. This other version of yourself.

James Cobain, man. Right. I could see it. Trying to tell you, man. Makes sense to me. All right. What else we need to know about what you got going on? You got any hobbies or anything that we need to know about outside of rapping?

I got a kids community center. I'm opening up in Detroit. Really? Yeah, with a live stream they can stream. You know, play the game, Twitch room and shit like that. I got a producer room, studio room, a dance room. I got a podcast room. I got a anything you can do, a video shoot room.

How does this work? You just get a building? No, right now, I had bought a building back in August. And right now, I'm just like, they just got done drywall. And I'm looking at all the floor plan. I got the 3D model and shit like that. Like, this is where I want to take it. So once I get all that done,

I can see if I want to take it to a full community center or use it as like a studio. You know, a community center, I don't know how I got to go about that for the license and shit. I'm still learning, so it's kind of hard for me to jump straight into a kids community center, but I do want to open the doors for young creators to be able to come in there,

come to the studio, you know, do beats, shoot videos, stream, you know. Because there must be a crazy amount of, like, young people trying to make it in an entertainment just because you've seen so many people make it over the last few years out of Detroit. And that's why I'm doing that shit because it's just so many of them, though, and they just be out here, and there's so much violence and shit going on in the community to where, like, they forced to go through that shit.

It ain't even by choice. Like, they got to go through it just to get home and make it, you know, day to day. So when I open up this community center, I'm not going to open it. I might do like a membership. I'm not just going to open it to the public because I still want somebody to feel like they come in here for a reason. Like it ain't just like for free.

You come fuck my shit up. I just, you know, put this out here for people to come and do. But I really want them to like get a tutor, you know, like have a tutor up there. When they get out of school, not just run there and go hop on the Xbox or the PlayStation or hold on. You get an hour of tutoring. y'all do your homework get this shit together in school you know go outside do some play some basketball

do something like just not i ain't just trying to make this shit to where it's like they focus on one thing i want them to be able to go and create in each room like every room like you know how that shit go definitely that's one thing i want in my crib i want to have enough rooms in my crib that i could have one room that's like an art room for my kid so she could paint on the wall walls she could do whatever the fuck where we could really get creative in there I'm telling you bro sometimes I feel a little constrained when we're doing art projects

and I got to make sure I don't get paint on the table and all this shit and I'm like I got to get an environment going here where I could be less worried about her planting her fucking paint covered hand onto the chair or whatever you know it's home man it's home so how did

how old your kid now he's about to be seven in March okay and how has that uh change how you view the game and what you're doing with your time out here right now i'm learning about all financial freedom so i can just leave a lot behind you know like not even leave it just build it so when he get old enough to be able to work like at the um community center the shit i'm opening up i got him a story being built in there so i put candy in there high pressers and shit like that slushes just for him to learn money management and learn how to communicate with people and just

not be somebody who just think money growing trees and just fuck be some type of like hul him about this shit right you got to be able to know how to be like a young man though definitely do you feel like you're in search of a tic-tock or is that not that's something you think of you don't know i feel like that type of shit just come like it comes because to me Peasy's one of the greatest flows I ever heard, you know, one of my favorite rappers. And then for that thing from the 2 million up thing to just become this viral-ass TikTok

and I'm just seeing all these random hot chicks on TikTok doing it, and my girl's doing it. She don't even know that this is a rapper that I interviewed or that I listened to, you know? Yeah, a lot of people don't even know. But a lot of people do know. I think they do know. Yeah, I think she figured it out at one point.

Oh, you know this guy. No, I think they know, nah. Yeah. His voice became a real, like, thing. Because, you know, I'm always just looking through YouTube and, like, you know, I'm just noticing like, oh, this random Peasy video I was like 12 million views and it came

out like a month ago and I'm thinking like I'm thinking like... But I'm like, Peezy don't normally do 12 million views in a month like, what is this song? And I click on it and I watch it, I'm like, well, that was a hard song but I'm still wondering like, like, that seems like a lot and then I realize it was a TikTok hit and I'm like, ah, okay, there you go.

I got Kim K and I'm doing that shit. That'll take your shit to a whole different level, yeah. No, I know. Shit take you right out of it. What about Peasy Dana Kardashian? I could see that. Never. Can't take my nigga through the black hole, man.

Yeah, because he might not come out. He's coming out. No, they're going to consume him, as they've done to many other brothers who've entered up into that mansion. You know, he might not make it out the other side. He might finally find a test so that he can't handle in life, you know?

Chris Jenner. Chris Jenner is his kryptonite, perhaps. Nope. You're denying it. Nope, can't happen. All right. So what else? What else do we need to talk about in terms of the life of GT?

I'm going to be real. I just listened to the music to get ready for this. I didn't do any of the interview. Because sometimes I feel like watching the interviews kind of makes me not want to do the interview as much. So I just stuck to the music. But, yeah, I don't know. Is there anything else we need to know about?

We got a lot of new shit coming out, man. Everything new. They just got to stay tuned. Definitely. That's it. And tuned in. Well, yeah, I wanted to ask this too. How do you, like, what would you say the breakdown is financially in terms of, like, what's bringing in money for you?

Is it like shows? It's the streaming. Like, what, the features is the thing that really does it. Yeah. Features, for real for me. I'm about to give me somebody who booking shows and shit from me. Because it's about that time. Like, get this shit in order and get some shows and had some real intimate shows.

Like, for my real supporters and day one fans and shit like that. That'd be dope. Yeah, like the features, though, is that ever get complicated? This is like basically involves making songs with all kinds of random-ass people. But I'm still, I just dropped my last project in the Empire, so I've just been grinding it out, you know. Definitely. Just grinding, bro. You could ever see yourself signing to a major or, you don't think it's for you?

Yeah. I mean, why not? I don't feel like it's nothing wrong. man if you had the right contract though yeah it's just about the contract like people make it with it they want to make it I don't believe in none of that media stupid shit how they try to make people look like they're the worst people in the world because that's what the media is for right so yeah if some people talking the right partnership you know like I'm I'm never going not right

now I won't say never but I'm never a sign of my measures over right Yeah, but I feel like when you mentioned, like, currency as an example, that's the kind of career that a lot of people from that Detroit scene realistically should be or are trying to build, you know, is like just create this, like, coolness about yourself and, like, yeah, the music matters, but your overall brand is kind of the real priority, the thing that you can make money off in a long time. Yeah, I agree.

I definitely agree. So if you're the fashion dude Give me some fashion don'ts right now What's played out? Amiris right now, man To me I just don't like them Murys no more it's over for that

You're over the skinny jeans in general I've been really wearing cozy shit for real Man I don't really want to wear shit But jogging pants and shit every day man And cool shoes man I'm so tired of getting dressed at them But anything even slightly uncomfortable I feel like it's just not worth it

at this point of my life. Don't be worth it, though, especially. Unless you dressing up wearing a suit and the time, shit. That's always worth it. People who are heroes are people who wear suits every day. You'll wear a suit every day? I just, I could not imagine it. It just seems like torture.

They'd think something's going on in this bitch if you wear a suit every day for life. I used to want to do that really bad. That would fuck they head of if you came here. Even if you came here for a week straight of the suits, they'd be fucked up. There'd be like something going on. But the thing is, I don't think it would buy me any kind of

credibility and rap, but I think that it would make people think way different about me. Bobby's a credibility in a rap, no, but, okay, there are, like, philosophers or, like, speakers, podcasters, etc., who they always wear a suit every single time that they go on a podcast or a show or whatever. And when I think about it,

I do view them way differently as a result because I've never seen them wear a hoodie. But for me, I mean, I'm wearing a hoodie. Like, I'm just, it's too comfortable. It's a perfect item of clothing. It's cold. out here. You're wearing the right shit.

Imagine just wearing a suit and you're just standing out in the cold. Like, what the fuck is this? I feel like I was getting interrogated by a nigga. If he had a suit on right now, it wouldn't be an interview. I wouldn't even be comfortable as I am with you. I feel like he just, like, got a notepad.

And he keep flipping that bitch over. That's why I don't like having a notepad. Because I would like to have a notepad and just be writing in it, but I feel like you would think that I was like... That's so fucking therapist. That's some therapy shit, dog. Yeah. That's lame, bro.

The notepad, that's 2000. And motherfucking 14, for real. But I would like to have it so I could, like, write down questions as they come to my mind, instead of having to try to say them before I forget them. Better up doing that shit on your phone. Yeah, but that looks weird, too, because it looks like I'm texting somebody. Better than writing. Yeah.

If writing shit looks like the police. Even just holding a pencil is federal. I swear to God, holding a notepad in a pencil. you on the podcast. That's some real. Yeah, that's it. But then the choice would be between, like, a digital thing, like a digital pen and like an iPad, or are just having, like, a yellow notepad and, like, a pencil. The pencil makes noise. That feels like a big deal. This is important. They need to hear about this. So you got anything new dropping that we need to know about, or what's the game playing?

By March, I'm trying to drop a new project. I might do it. one more on the empire right quick and just smash the gas on like marketing and shit try to figure out a new way out the box to market not make myself look like foolish but a real make an impact with it like something nobody ever did before

interesting yeah marketing's got to be the tricky part making the music's fun but then getting people to listen to it's the tricky part now the music is never the hard part man we aim it for like 1500000 2000 songs trying to aim for a lot of songs but not 2,000 songs 2,000 songs but we cut down to how many songs cut down to like a real like 750 songs like in realistic like that's going to go somewhere

wait you're going to put out 750 songs over time I'm like this is the very long project hell no like most people are not going to listen to this whole Hell no, I'm talking about in a hard drive in the catalog. Like, we're trying to do this shit for real. Trying to set this up to what we got longevity for real. Okay. Like, he's really working overtime of this shit.

Right. Yeah, there was a moment where I thought you were saying you were going to put a 750 song project. I'd be done. That's how you know I'm done with this shit. Yeah, that would be weird. I gave it all up. Day on day I know I'm done.

I was the biggest young thug fan in the world, and then in, like, 2012, like 100 songs of his leaked at the same time. And I went in to listen to it, and a lot of them weren't mastered, and it just was a terrible listening experience. And I never really went out of my way to listen to leaks since then. Man, I hate people who leak people music, though. Like, what do you get out of that, though?

Do they get a check for that shit? I think. I've heard that, like, the Juice World, unreleased songs leak because the fans come together to, like, raise money to buy them from hackers or some shit. So fucking gay, man. Right. To a dead dude, too.

Just let them... That's so fucking weak, bro, because people really put a lot of... You know what rappers do the most? They hold that song so they think it's the right moment for the song to come out. I don't really know how to feel as a...

I need, like, the fans to be able to tell me that shit, like, tell me when the... Should the music come out? I want to make a way to the fans to tell people, instead of us holding and then it get leaked. Fuck all that, man.

They'll be killing a thrill, man. I'm going to be real, though. In the case of the Juice World thing, though, I do understand it because the fans have heard these songs in bad quality on, like, Instagram Live and shit like that. And then they know that the label, like, is the label ever going to put these songs out? I mean, they might put out 10, 20 of them here and there for a project, but they're not going to put out all of them. Never. And so, if it's never going to come out and he's not even with us anymore, is it really that bad for the fans to leak it? I don't know.

Yeah, it's bad, man. It still is bad because the money could go to the family. That's what I was about to say. It's his legacy, man. You want that shit. That's why I hate the hackers for that shit. I still have kind of a hard time holding it against the fans who just want to hear it that bad. But, you know.

All right. Where should they follow you? Call me GT, man. On Instagram. I don't know how the fuck I lost my Twitter, man. I don't know about the other shit. Like, my YouTube channel is the same thing. Call me GT.

and that's it anything you need to know is in my bio let's go trying to figure out other ways to like get this shit out here Adam I know you know some new ways to market this shit

TikTok TikTok I mean if Peezy's going to teach us anything from that song it's just make the first bar of the song like a really catchy memorable bar that just fits

perfectly with the beat and is very relatable to random girls. I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose, but it worked. Yeah, I'm telling you, he hit making ass. He's hit making a show. All right, G.T. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you, dog.

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