Hellkat on Becoming a Blood, Lesbian Politics, Racism Accusations & More
00:00No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world.I'm your host, Adam 22, and today I'm having a sit down with someone that they never thought they would see me sitting down with.Hellcat.How you feeling?Man, if I feel any better, I ain't going to be able to stand my own self.Really?Yeah.You're feeling that good.
00:19How you feel?Yeah, I feel great.Damn.Well, I mean, it's your No Jumper Day.I know, right?Yeah.I'm back in the West Coast, man.Hey, man.
00:27I feel like Tupap.Yeah.Man, I get so much love out here, man.Well, he got killed out here.Did he?Well, in Vegas, but yeah.Oh, yeah.Well, yeah.
00:37But he beat up...He beat up some Crips first.Yeah.So maybe just don't do that, and you'd be good.But hey, he's legendary.That's just a part of him having to die to be legendary.That's true.Do you think if Tupac was still alive, he would be as legendary as he is?
00:49Absolutely not.That's exactly what I'm saying.Yeah, not even close.Yeah.Yeah.No, because, like, look at Max B.He just got out prison.Right.
00:57And he looking good.He looks like he's ready to make a night.nice run at itmusically and everything like thatbut I mean imagine they would talk about himif he had died at the height of his movementyou know it's always when theycatch you uh it's always when you're able
01:11to age and see the end part of your lifethat you start doing goofy shit you start acting weirdall of a sudden they view you differently we never got to seethe Tupac L like LL Cool J style art we never got to seehim be on law and order or something you knowyeah yeah so I'm aunrelatedHellcat
01:29Yeah.How you doing?I'm doing great, man.How you doing?Pretty good.Introduce us to your pal of here?This is my Arkansas partner.Oh, okay.
01:38You know what I'm talking?He's more like my brother.Little Rock Obama, man.Little Rock Obama, yeah.Yeah.Nice to meet you, man.Okay, so Hellcat.We got a lot to talk about, but let's start off with just your Arkansas upbringing.
01:49Okay.What was your upbringing like?Tell us a little bit about it.Well, shit, man.It's, for most part, man, shit, a nigger was.I was a poe-ass digger.My mama was poor.She had a big family and everybody was just pooh.
02:08It sucked on Christmas when you ain't get no more presents.Literally nothing on Christmas?Some Christmases, no.Some Christmases, my mama went to this place called The Watershed, and she got that.But you know what I'm saying?We got toys from, you know, people who donate.Okay.That's why, you know, sometimes I gill back.
02:27Right.I'm saying because it's still, you know.Definitely good to give back.But so as a kid, though, did you realize you were poor or was it kind of something that you couldn't see because everybody else was poor around you or are you around people who had money as well?No, I knew I was poor.Okay.I knew from what the neighbors was eating, you could smell their food from the street from what the fuck I was eating.What were you eating?
02:52You know what I'm saying?You know government cheese that came in a brown box?Yeah.The best cheese, though. Make some good sandwiches and shit like that.I worked out of old folks home and I would have to give out these long bricks of cheese.What the fuck was you doing there?I needed a job.In the cafeteria, though?
03:12No, I would have to distribute the wick, the government food.That's where my mama was on.Yeah, so I'd have to go hand out these long things of cheese.They don't sell cheese like that in the real world.They sell it.It's just not for the government no more.It's just, if you were going into a store and buying it, they would separate it into a couple of different pieces.But because you're getting it for free from the government, it's like, no, here's a giant block.
03:36Right.No bullshit, though.But that shit was fine, though.Made some good got-thammy cheese toast.Okay, for sure.So how many brothers and sisters?You're six of us.Six total.
03:46And you're in the middle?I'm the fourth-born.You see, I got four-born text all over my place.Got it.Okay.And so then what kind of kid would you say you were throughout high school?Oh, they thought I was a middle.They were going to shoot the school up, bro.
03:59See, I didn't get a chance to actually.I went to high school, you know, but I went to these learning disability schools.You were having a hard time in school.I got bipolar.You know what I'm saying?And you might can tell, like, I'm kind of, I might give a different vibe than what I was given two years ago on the news.Okay.Maybe a year ago on the news, I was giving a different vibe.
04:24You know, I was cool, cool, lay back, chilling and shit.but my therapist had me on all kind of Xenics and shit.Really?You know what I'm saying?Pumping their Xenics and all that bipolar medicine in me.But so bipolar means that like you're a different person day to day or, you know.It could be.Right.
04:39It depends on how I feel today.Okay.So do you just wake up every day and you're a different person?I'm not going to say that.I'm me always.But it's some shit that just, you know, today I feel like tripping.Today I feel like talking about it.Okay.
04:54You know what I'm saying?And other days, I'm, I'm not.I'm like, I ain't with nobody.Everybody needs to leave me to f*** alone.You know what I'm saying?Does that make being in relationships hard?No, and speaking of relationships, today is my 17th year anniversary.Yeah.
05:06Jesus Christ, for real.Salute to you, Mom.My mom, baby.And I know what girl you're talking about because I met her at the store before.She's gorgeous, yeah.Thank you.Yeah.It's impressive.
05:16Yeah.When did you meet her?17 years and you're, what, like mid-30s?I'll take that.Thank you.I don't know.But I'm just assuming that that means you probably met this girl, like, inhigh school or what? No, no. I'm actually older than she is. We met from mutual friends.
05:33Okay. So a sex party? No, no, not a sex party. I ain't never been to a sex party, man.I ain't ever been to a sex party, man. I was way for you to invite me to the one with the little person.You know, that was more of a show. I wasn't like taking part in that. I never really been to a sex party either.Like we're talking about it. Man, stop bullshit. And you run plug top. You run. Plug,Right.Stud talk.Why do I not have a nine-inch strap to saying, hey, man, come like hell cat.You know what I'm saying?
06:05Hmm. That's an interesting idea.I don't know.Do the people want stud talk?Man, look, man, look.It's all about what they want, what they will pay for.Man, you see, I don't know if you've been seeing, but I got on, I talked about myself, basically.And I was telling them what the stud was to me.You know what I'm talking about?
06:23And I told them you got to be a virgin to be a stud.Now, I don't know if you saw the wave, what the f*** happened after that.But, man, look, a lot of people was upset, and a lot of niggas was agreeing with me, too, though.You have to be a virgin to be a stud, meaning your vagina, this is like some Islam shit.Your vagina can't have ever been penetrated.No.Or else we're going to chop your head off.If you ever had your booty penetrated, I think you were punk.
06:48For real?Yeah.What if I got raped?That's different.That is different.But if you were stud, I got a kid.And I got to make the, I got to make the sound.And you let me.
07:00So a stud can't have had any time period in her life in which she thought that she was going to be in a heterosexual relationship with men.Like if you're a true stud, then you just knew.You're a virgin. You should have known all along.If you're a true stud, you were a virgin.Really?Hell yeah.How could you not understand it?Because I feel like people need to be able to make mistakes or like figure out where they're at.
07:22Like every married woman went through some level of like a hoe phase.before that.You know, she had to be for the streets for a little whilebefore she realized, oh, I want to be in a long-term committedrelationship with this man.Of course.Every bitch is a hoe.Not every bitch, but.
07:36So you're saying every woman and been through a whole stage.Even if to her, that hostage might have been, you know, you had a one-night stand.Damn.Every girl's going to go through something, you know, exploring before they just end up with onelong-term dick.My ugly ass ain't never had a one-night stand, boy, I'm still wishing.Yeah?Those holes be trying to get back.
07:58So you're the kind of study who's never had a vagina penetrated?Look, I'm a virgin.Really?Yeah.Have you ever had your booty tickle?No, seriously.I know you be doing, I'm just asking, nigga.I mean, nothing tickles more than a tongue, yeah.
08:14Will you let a motherfucker lick your bootyknowing that you got shit in it without wiping your ass?I mean, it's happened, but not intentionally, you know?Ah.Adamson, motherfucker, man.I don't want, I don't want to cause any woman to eat poop unless absolutely necessary, unlessmandated by law.So, so did the bitch try to kiss you after?
08:36Hell no.Before or after.And all your, your time doing, uh-huh.Have a bitch did something so disgusting and tried to look at you and give you a kiss afterthat and you was like, oh no, I ain't doing this shit.You seem to think that there's a lot more kissing taking part in the, no, I'm just asking.I'm not, nobody's kissing me.Maybe like in the middle of the scene, but not like...
09:00How often do you test them all?I don't test them.They test themselves at the clinic.We all go to the same clinic.Oh.Yep.Okay.So, at what point would you say that you knew you were gay?
09:20Like, I've been, I've just been me since forever, man.Since forever, like, Adam, I'm so fucked up.My mama used to.Like, give me exorcisms.Because she knew you were gay?Because I was different.See, I have a beautiful sister.My sister's beautiful.
09:39She's very smart, very intelligent.We're the opposite.She used to be in beauty patches and shit.You know what I'm saying?Me, I'm talking guns and shit.You know what I'm saying?So, you know, kind of misunderstood, but.But so, okay, you were living the life of a gangster
09:57and carrying guns before you had the,thought of like, hey, maybe I'm a lesbian.Hey, man, no, man.Because I've been me since I've been, like, born.So you never even had to think about it?No.And so do you remember, like, very early on that someone was explaining the birds andthe bees to you and they were like, yes.
10:17And then the man and the woman get married.And you were sitting there like, I ain't marrying no dude.Yeah, nothing.I'm talking about not doing no shit like that.Matter of fact, I'm not having this conversation.Really?That's right.It's that foreign to you?
10:30Luke.I kind of feel like you're, like you want to be that hardcore lesbian so much that you're, you're refusing to acknowledge that there was ever a time in which you were fascinated about penis.That's gay, Adam.It's not gay, it's straight.What you're doing with your life is gay.No, it's just me being gay.Gay as hell.Dirt, how long you've been knowing me?
10:51Over 20.Over 20.Have I always been the same?I'm actually kind of better.But he didn't know you were when you were 10, when you were first.being like, you know what, maybe I'm gay.He didn't know me when I was 10.Right.
11:03But shit, I'll steal me.Oh, I'll take your word for it for sure.Now, shit, I'll show you a picture of me when I'm 10.You can see physically as me.You're like, okay, I see what the fuck you're talking about.If I ever find out that you f***ed a dude.Hey, come on, man, stop playing.At some point in your life, I'm going to trip.
11:18Stop playing.Okay.And hold me accountable.But I'm going to tell you something, I've been famous for 20 years.Don't you think that shit would have been and came out?I don't know how many people are doing the research or the homework.You don't know it, but I've been famous for 20 years.Okay, yeah, I mean, that shit would have been came out.
11:33Okay, I believe you.When did you first feel the sweet embrace of a woman?Remember that old lady made me suck her tities.But she is, like, even then, like, it's like, how could you not love a woman?Like, how she smelled or how, you know, her lips and she just curled up when they smile.Like, women are beautiful.You know what I'm talking about?Like, I don't get, why, why is that so hard to believe?
12:05I guess just because you're biologically programmed to want to have sex with menand also, like, 5% of women are lesbians or something, 10%.Wait, wait, wait, what?We're going to do the BoJackman biology argument again?I don't, look, I don't know about no, I'm not even going to say that guy's name.Okay, but being gay is like a genetic mutation, basically, where you like, or I thinkit's a gene that you actually inherit, but it's like a very small percentage.of people who even have the gene actually become gay.
12:33That's crazy.But I tell you this, and this is what I'm going to tell you.You ain't going to see another me for another thousand years.Oh, word.And shit, I was born this way.God knew what he was doing when he...Yeah, for sure.That's real.
12:48Wait, so when did you first feel the sweet embrace of a woman?Like I said, shit, remember that old lady made me suck her titty.Oh, right, right, right.But, like, was that consensual, would you say?No, no.How old were you?Like five, six.Wait, oh, you're not talking about getting breastfed, are you?
13:05That's what she was doing.Wait, she had breast milk activated.Her glands were popping?No.No, she didn't have breast milk.The bitch just was a freak.I don't think you consent to suck a titty when you're five.You can't?
13:20No.You don't know what the fuck really going on.You can't really consent to anything when you're five, really.I know.And that's how horrible people is out here.So that's why it's important for me to take care of their kids.So this was a molestation situation?I would like to say so.
13:35Damn.Yeah.But it didn't go any further than that?No.Well, I guess that's good at least.No.Right.So what was your first girlfriend or first time you were like?
13:44First girlfriend.I had a beautiful girlfriend.I ain't going to say her name because I ain't given her no clout.Dirt, you know my first girlfriend, though, don't you?My name, cat daddy.You know her name is.Why would you even say her name, bro?Edit that out, man.
13:59We'll bleep it, yeah.Edit that out.Well, that is kind of the logical name.Yeah.Well, yeah, no, we had the same name.And she was bawling.And she loves some me, boy.Yeah?
14:08Yeah, yeah.She loves some me.When did you first identify that you were capable of fulfilling a woman's needs, you know?Like, it's just such an interesting idea of, like, a feminine woman becoming in a relationship with a stud.I'm going to be honest with you.Bro, it's still, I'm surprised at it.Like, today is my, like, wedding anniversary.Yeah.
14:3117 years being with my wife.I've been with her 11 years married.But, like, I'm surprised that I'm good at it.You know what I'm talking about?I just am.Are you?Because I know you married, too.Am I good at?
14:45Are you surprised?Well, first of all, do you enjoy being married?Yeah.I mean, it's cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially being 41.Yeah.You got to settle down at some point.Right.
14:54Because I was just in Miami with Steve will do it in 6'9,and I just read.realize like, oh, this is how much I could potentially be getting if I wasn't married.And it's a little scary, not to say that I would be doing as good as they're doing.But, you know, it's like kind of, it just feels overwhelming.Like, I can't be in this environment of having hose coming in and out all day.Like, I don't, this is too much.Like, I can't be left to my own devices like that.
15:18I need somebody to help rein me in a little bit.Well, I mean, just it feel good.Just you know when you're going to go home, you know where you're going to put your shoes.You know what you're going to watch on your TV or.or where you're going to get on your phone.In your case, you play the computer, poker, and shit.It just feel good.You know how it's going to smell and shit.
15:34You just feel good to be at home.So it feel good to be married if you're married to the right person.Yeah, yeah.I heard Tucker Carlson, who I'm not a huge fan,about I heard him saying something the other daywhere he said that you want your wife to be somebodywho doesn't know anything about what you're doing with your career,doesn't give a shit,
15:52and only cares about you as a person.I found that kind of interestingbecause my wife definitely is in that boatwhere she does not know whoalmost anybody that I interview isnot really her thingbut she cares about me a lot as a human.Good shit.
16:07And your wife is, she's cool for real, in real life.Thank you.You know, I only got a chance to talk to her like once.Mm-hmm.But yeah, she's cool.You know what I'm saying?You know that she was a lesbian in collegefor like four years?
16:18Really?Yeah.And she broke up with the womanbecause she actually realizedthat she wanted to be with a man.A film woman.was good?Um, I guess
16:31a stud more so,probably wouldn't meet your criteria of stud,but I think that she was probably the masculine onemore so. Right.Yeah. I don't know what's going on with all that,but she realized at some point,Lena, thatwhat she wanted was probably not going to be
16:46fulfilled by a woman. She actually said that she realizedat some point that hergirlfriend was just like her bestfriend. Yeah. That's cool.Yeah. I just saw Erica Bank said thata stud is better than a man sexually and emotionally.Really?Yeah, and Erica Banks can just about get any niggas she want.
17:07She's bad.Shout out to you, Erica.So we're having this conversation today, like, I guess there's more violence in a female-on-femalerelationship than in a man-on-female relationship or a guy-on-guy relationship, that there's more violence, whichI guess makes senseBecause girls can hit girls and guys can hit guysAnd there's not that much of a social stigma around itWhereas like if I hit my wife
17:34It's just like so frowned upon by societyBecause I'm way bigger than herShe's a woman, I'm a guyYou know, it's just like this is a bad lookBut like you know girlsNobody's gonna feel bad for youIf a girl hits anotherI mean obviously could get to an abusive extent
17:51ButYeah I mean shit man heyI've had some women try to abuse mementally hell yeah mentally oh yeah not physically i'm i'm hell man come on man i would think youwould be the abuser no no i'm not eating if you don't call me bitch going to hunger straightsome bitches shoot themselves that's a different type of abuse though i'm not eating if you don't callme that's mentally bad for me but you could go a month a lot of eating food but the women that i'mtalking about they don't threaten to shoot they said they actually do it wait what you've caused women to
18:25themselves out of their love for you.Hell yeah.What?I ain't gonna say, well,in the head?I gotta say, yeah.They killed themselves?Like, chutter bob.
18:34No?No.She ain't dead.But the bitch did make my house hot.Wait, wait, wait.Where did she shoot herself?And how old were you with this?In her wrist?
18:46Yeah.What?Yeah.To me, it's, yeah.Yeah, come home, blood all on the porch and shit.Walk in the house.going out.So she got no hand now?
18:58No, she ain't like for a history.That did kind of come to mind.Yeah.No, she ain't like a fourishers.Speaking of.Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.So her hand is all up.Did you continue to see her with her?
19:11No, she got locked up for that.Like they physically met the mental place, the evaluation place.They locked her up.And she is for shooting them myself.Yeah, I had to get down me sign some papers to go get her out.But did they lock?You walk her up like we feel like you're a danger to yourself, so we're locking you up.She was locked up like that.
19:29She has a charge?That's what I'm saying.No, you can't have a charge for hurting yourself.That's what I would think, yeah.Now, they was looking for the pistol, asking where did she get the gun that she used to shoot herself?You know what I'm saying?Well, shit, that's like, that's a long time ago.But, yeah, man, the bitches I f*** what they seem to try to threaten me by hurting themselves and shit.
19:50And so she did this to get attention from you?Yeah.It bought her two more years.To be honest.Really?You stuck around for two years because you felt so bad or what?I did.I felt bad.
19:59Wow.Are you a cheater?When doing what?When in a relationship?I don't have to cheat.But do you?I don't have to cheat, Adam.But do you?
20:10No.I don't have to cheat.That's not even exciting.So you tell your girls, hey, if I want to fuck something.Yeah.But you can't.If I want some.But you can't.
20:21No, because it's mine.Unless she tell me different.Really?Now look, this is what I'm sayingNow that's some gameNo, that ain't no gameThat's some real shitThat's not sharp
20:30Man, let's don't talk about dudeHe's gonna fuck aroundBe hot boxingCheap ass cigarettesTwo in the morningJust talking aboutBecause he needs this countryI was thinking about
20:40How we haven't talked about himIn so longGolly manIt's been so longI knew it manAll that because he madeBecause I took his bitchBut I don't want to talk about
20:48Let's please don't let's don't talk about himI wish I had a blow up doll to give himJust as a prisonHere you goHe would laugh in your face because he's already got a sex doll.He's already got a sex torso.I don't need no blobs dog church.I've been having this.
21:07What do you think about not just him, but anybody just with that low self-esteemthat would you feel like you got a torso without a face?You know, I'm the kind of guy where my trusty right hand has always been enough for me.maybe if I wasfeeling like it wasn't enoughI will get some lubebutmaybe even the pocket
21:32I mean I never even thought aboutI'm going to be realbut like if I really felt likeI needed some kind of likebetter sensationI'll probably consider all those optionsbefore I got to the torsoI'm just not like what's that doing
21:43there's like a dead bodysounds like too much workwhen I jerk off it's like two minutesme and a piece of Kleenexand then I'm doneno you can'tNo, no torso like that, huh?Hell, no.
21:56I ain't even jack at all.Wait, really?You're that straight.Yeah, Jack off of what?It's pussy hell with her.Yeah.But you got a pregame for it.I'm trying to go in there,
22:08locked and loaded with seven days worth of nothing side of my body.I can't do that.That's the best trick I learned as I got older.Got a pregame.Really?Oh, yeah, because I go in there,just locked and loaded, hair tricker.Then, uh, it's some cheek.
22:23goes now, though.The numbing wipes.Numbing wipes.What the f***ing about?Well, you ain't heard about that?They got like these wipes that you like wipe your penis with and it like numbs it a bit.Makes it so you won't bust as fast.Man, diggers really doing that shit?
22:38Yeah, they advertise it on podcasts all the time.I've never tried that.What podcast?Because I ain't ever seen that shit, Adam.Honestly, not hip-hop podcast.You're crazy as fuck.I always hear about it on.They talk about bar stowing stuff.
22:49Oh, okay.Yeah, I mean, I'm down to try it, honestly, but I'm kind of scared.I don't want it to become too numb, you knowSee, you might well get a deal, though, and bitch.Mm, yeah.Do honey packs and shit don't work?Honey packs work.Honey packs are for the opposite problem, though.
23:06If you can't get hard, you can take the honeypack.Really?Yeah.That's why women be mad at y'allBe coming them fucking worst thuds.Yeah?Mm-hmm.What if your girl wanted to have a threesome with another dude?
23:19Mm-hmm.Depends on...Not another dude, but a dude.Would I get paid?Nah, it's just like for funNah, that ain't fun to meReally?You can, because listen,
23:29I'm so open and I'm so realwith my wife that I love my wife so muchthat she can tell meKat, I don't want to be with you.And I'm okay with that.Right.You did what I'm saying?But instead of doing that,
23:42she asked to remarry me again.Those are completely different things though, right?No.Choosing not to be with somebodyversus getting remarried,kind of doubling down on being with that person?That's exactly what I'm telling you.These are very different things, right?
23:57No, I'm telling you she don't want it.She wanted that.It's just like I'm talking to you.Oh, you're saying she could have left.She chose to do the opposite.My wife, my wife, make her own money.She gets her own shit.Uh-huh.
24:07You know what I'm talking about?Why don't you get on your ditty wave?Because let me tell you son.This is a motherfucker crazy.No, no, no, not the non-consensual parts,not the drugging parts or anything like that.But why would you not be able to see a male jiggle-o,male star, etc. He comes in. He got a 10-inch rock-hard cock. He's banging your bitch,
24:26giving her pleasure out the wazoo. And you just sitting back like a, gee, just waiting for thatcome to get wiped on your nipples. You fun, y'all, I ain't doing no shit like that. You funny,motherfuck. Just an idea. But you couldn't see that. I feel like...No, I ain't with no shit like that, man. But I'm not mad. If I can get paid, I'm not mad at it. I'm notmad at the idea. It don't bother me in the hood. Niggers got there on me f***es all the time.So it ain't no thing. You know what I'm saying? So, I'm not tripping about that.But if I can get paid, if I had a situation like you had with, what's his name?Jason Love.
24:58Jason Love, slamming that dick and your wife and you making pay.I wouldn't be mad at all.I tell everybody, Adam's my dude and shit.A lot of y'all getting cheated on for free.At least Adam's wife getting fucking and he getting some money behind it.A-O-B.That's right.We need to get some of my doodles and put that on plug-toe and say, hey, hey, don't be whack like cat.
25:22That deal, nine-inch, motherfucker.Wait a minute.The dildo has never been inside you.No, I don't play them guys.That's gay.That's gay.That's, hey, shit, that's worse than kissing a nigger.Have you ever had a, have you ever had a dealdo inside you?
25:38No.A butt plug?No.Two fingers?No.Oh, okay.The only person I ever put a finger in my ass was me.Oh, yeah, man.
25:48I'm not going to lie.That's not gay at all.I was 16.I was in the shower.I just want to see what it felt like.So I just, bleep.And what you were just like, oh, no, I don't want to do that again.Yeah, I never want to do it again.
25:59You do know the day that you decide to have a gay sex scene.No, no, no, no, I'm just saying, though.The day that you decide to have a gay sex scene,it's going to break the Internet bigger than your wife.I don't think I want to break the Internet in that way.I'm just saying?Yeah, yeah, yeah.Hey, I'm just saying.
26:21Yeah.I'll break the internet in literally every other way.I'll get like the school shooter clout stimulus.I'll do the like Fed case for God knows what stimulus.You crazy.I'll do all that before the gay stimulus.Man, I dare you go saying stuff like that.Now shit, I'm sitting with you.
26:39And when I take my head back home, somebody going to say,see, man, you're the police sitting with Adam.You haven't committed, you haven't answered to any crimes yet.You haven't committed any crimes or admitted to any crimes.Oh, no.I don't do that.So when you do you?you decide they were of blood?
26:54Shit,it's like,shit,that's what my OGs were.The blood,actually,Tim,Johnson,
27:08his name issinister.He,a family,family swans.He used to calm downwhenever it would besome murders or some shootings
27:17or some robberies,he'd come downto my neighborhoodbecausemy,my OG and him,him, their first cousins.Okay.
27:29So I met Tim when I was like 13.I didn't even know like he was out here in, like,L.A., like demonstrating the way him and his brother evilwas demonstrating.Because I was like, you know, when you meet a motherfucker,you just think they cool, you know what I'm saying?So were you just a blood or you like a blood with ops?Like was there already like ops happening in this whole situation
27:51or not really?It's, it was.inherited, like, if you was, if you was beefing with my OGs, we all inherited it.Like, shit, yeah.Because it's us before anything, you know what I'm saying?But, yeah, man, it wasn't just, and Redo where I'm from, it wasn't just bloods.It was some crips there, you know what I'm saying?But, uh...
28:14But was it up, or was it kind of like everybody's just doing their own thing?No, in the hood, we all the hood, but everybody still got their own individual clicks.You know what I'm saying?And my niggas used to be the OGs.They used to be popping.They used to have money.You know what I'm saying?The bitches and cars and shit.
28:32Was it ever controversial that you were a woman?I mean, there's always girls in gangs, right?People used to ask my OG.They used to say, Dion, what you doing hanging out with that little girl?Yeah.You know?Oh, man, that's my little home girl.That's cat.
28:46You know, that's all, you know?And I don't even got to ask you the question that we always secretly want to ask the female gang members.No.I ain't get my sulk to get in.Did you get on a put on?That's a dangerous question.You could get smacked across your face by a stud if you asked that question to the wrong one.You say, man.
29:07That's why I'm not asking it.Really?I ain't going to.About you just trying to degrade my gangster?No, no, no, no.Never that.Never that.All right.
29:16I'm just hypothetically throwing it out there.Because you already made it perfectly clear to me that no shit has ever gone anywhere near you.and ain't no one in you.Why is that so hard to believe?Like, it's like,have you ever had a dup in your boot of dirt?You don't even jerk off.That's what I'm trying to say.
29:34Some things just.No, yeah, yeah, I feel you.But so, okay, were you,were you hustling as a young jet?Shit, chill.What kind of hustling?I've been hustling all my life, though.What were you doing?
29:49Shit, selling dope.We didn't have whatever the fuck I can,I can get my hands on.Sometimes the motherfucked dope things come throughwith PlayStation's and computers and all kind of shit.I want all that shit.I'm selling all that shit.Really? Okay.
30:02You have no bullshit.So would you say that you were good at the hustleof selling dope?To me, that'd be real, Adam.It's like a double negativebecause you can't be good at selling dope.Now, you can make a lot of money.I made some money.
30:18But come on, man.You can't be successful at selling dope.It's like a double negative.Because it just is going to end badly no matter what?For me, what my eyes have seen.Yeah.I ain't never seen no nigger really make it selling dope.No, because I mean, the whole nature of why, like, okay, maybe if you're a drug trafficker,
30:38where the only people that you're touching is the connect and then the next person that you're selling it to,maybe you could pull that up for a long time.But if you're standing on a corner or you got a phone full of junkies that are hit you wanting to buy shit,What are we talking about?You got 50 people on your phonethat are all going to rat on you.Right.But back then, it was, see,
30:58it wasn't about how many peopleto come spend with you.It's just you have the rightcome spend with you.Like me, for instance,I used to have motherfuckersthat had them chickson the first and the third.
31:09You know what I'm saying?Them army vits and them veterans and shit,motherfuckers that love,they dope and didn't have the moneythrough the month.So I might take an ounce of two.and pop their motherfuck up a down just for credit.I won't double and triple on everything
31:27on the first and third, you know what I'm saying?No shit.Did you ever get caught?Yeah, I've been caught.How bad did it get?No, one day I was, I was chilling on 17thand I was hustling, you know what I'm saying?I was at my boy Chump House.
31:43R.I.P. Champ. I was at my boy Chump House.And I got caught with two hours,of work. I didn't see them.I just seen them like leaning in my carand I'm trying to serve them. And I heard them offyeah, oh! Police got them to be football tacklethat motherfucker trying to bust my motherfuckin' window.You know what I'm saying? Trying to get me to stop. But when they, I could
32:09have fought to charge, but my dumb ass didn't know that then. I was like,oh man, y'all give a probation, cool.Type shit. With y'all, man.Shit, that dope game used to be funny. You know what? What,does like selling dope in the 90s at them?I don't.Good for you.I assume it was,
32:31I don't know.I mean, I assume it was probably like easier than nowbecause there's just less surveillance.The cops aren't as smart.Yeah, but it still was hard.Yeah.It still was difficult because you still hadniggas that want to rob you.
32:43You know what I'm saying?You got bitches that want to fuck youthat got niggas that want to rob you.You know what I'm saying?And if you popping in the city,Everybody looking at you.Like, Little Rock,I'm a candy paint ride,
32:56so you always look at me.Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good idea.It's like wearing a big sign on your headthat says I robbed a bank or I sold dope.Well, you should, that's what we, you know,it wasn't nothing else to do.But you never did jail or prison time?Now, I ain't never go to the penitentiary.
33:14I've been to jail plenty of times, though.Okay.You know what I'm saying?But now, I ain't never go to the penitentiary.Thank you, God.I mean, I have not spent a lot of time in Little Rock, but I mean, I assume that any kind of flexing is going to stand out because it's like there ain't no reason for there to be rich people.Like out here, you could be a rich person and the cops could at least be like, well, he's a rapper, I guess, or he's a clothing designer or some shit.Like out there's like, what the fuck are you going to blend in?
33:42Because there's so many money getting niggas.Yeah?Right there.Niggas getting money.You know what I'm talking about candy painted cars and.And shit, big rims, diamonds,hos, like, that's, it's just a, it's a sport.You know what I'm saying?
33:57I'm getting more money than you.You know what I'm saying?Like, yeah.But so it's not like, it's just one.But for me, I was always excusedbecause the police always was like,oh man, she wants to be a nigger.That motherfucker ain't doing that.
34:13You know what I'm saying?Definitely.Yeah.Did you ever stop to think for a second?Maybe I should transition.What do you mean transgen?I like myself.To a woman or to a man, I mean.
34:25No, why would I do that?I just feel like, okay, but you relate to the male experienceand you kind of consider yourself a dude to such an extent.No, I don't.You do.I know who I am.No, you just said it was gay for you to kiss a guy.Exactly.
34:39That's gay.But that's like you think that you're a guy.No, I don't.I know that I'm hell cat.And it's gay for hell cat to look at a nigger like that.You don't know what it's like to.to be on testosterone.So it just makes me wonder if you would love it.
34:53If you were to get on and you'd be like,oh my God, this is the real me.That shit makes you grow hair on your face.That's one part of it.I don't want that shit.Really?I mean, you can shave.I don't want to be a dude.
35:03Okay.See, listen, Adam, once you all understand,all stories don't want to be men.Well, probably none of them or else they would do it.Or a very small percentage.It's kind of expensive.And nothing against my trends.Yeah.
35:16Because there's a lot of people that transition, you know?Shit.I got love for people that, you know, because I know that they go through something,a whole different struggle that me and you don't know about.For real.So I got love and respect for people who had the courage to be themselves.However, that ain't what hell can't want to do.You know what I'm saying?
35:36For sure.I'm okay with me.I just feel like, little testosterone, you might be like.This is a little fuck crazy.You already got a lot.This is a little crazy.You probably do, actually, I think statistically gay women have more testosterone.around than straight women. So you do have more than the average woman probably.
35:54Man, who told you that? I think I read a study or might have been a tweet. I don't know.Okay, so when do you decide to start rapping? And was that like, oh, I'm done with the streets. I'mgoing to start rapping? No, it wouldn't like that. I was, you got to understand, man, my childhood wasdifferent and that's all I had. So, shit, I started rapping when I was about 13, 14 years old.Oh, okay. Yeah, 13, basically. And at what point did you start takingat the most serious when you really made a run at it.Because you were cat daddy.My friend, yeah.
36:27You know that.You say it again.You hear how you say it.Cat daddy.You know not.What's wrong with that?She don't like that name.No?
36:34That's your old rap name, though.Man, that is.That's me.That's what everybody knows.Well, because the cat daddy is also a dance, right?It is.Yeah.A lot of my niggas, when they, when they're motherfuckers got to dance and it was like,
36:46cat, man, who the f*** is these niggas?We need to see these niggas, man.They're trying to take you.your name.I was sitting there for a secondjust thinking like, wait, did she inventa cat daddy?Like, there's no way, right?
36:56No.Okay, no.It is funny, though.I am cat daddy, though.Okay.And shit, I know that.I had sat here for two yearsand y'all didn't know that.
37:06That that was your original name?Man, like, yeah.Like, that's me.See, a lot of people just think,oh, that's Hellcat.See, my boy, Sauce Walker,he'll be brand Hellcat.You see what I'm saying?
37:18See, I've been Hellcat,about seven years. I didn't try to rap like in the last 10. How'd you get introduced toSauce Walker? Oh shit on the internet. Oh yeah? And he told you to run with the Hellcat name?Not that. It's just that a lot of people call me a lot of different things. I heard him call meHellcat. I heard him call me Sauce Gotti. Cat Gotti. Yeah. You never thought about beingsauce cat? No. Me and Sauce had a situation going from a time or two. But at that time, Ireally wasn't trying to rap.See, when I tried to rap,
37:53bro, I got a lot of plugs.I got a lot of friends.And it's big, like, Skyface,he gave me my co-sign. Right.You know what I'm saying?Miami, Mike, that's my nigga.Hey, similar to you, Mike.Soldier, that's my nigga.
38:09I know Deborah Atney.I met all kinds of people,including, you know,just a lot of different people.You know what I'm saying?I met, I met Deb when.And I had a meeting in Brick Squad on my birthday one year.How long ago are we talking?
38:26I can't, I can't really remember.2010 or earlier?I don't know.Like the era of Flaka and Gucci being together and shit.Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.It was over by like 2010, I would say.She was managing Nikki Minaj and French Montana.Yeah, that's pre-2010 for sure.
38:48Gucci.She was managing all of them.And Flore.Yeah.And I had a meeting with her.Her son.And she wanted to, like, she is so dope.Deb is so dope.
38:56Like, I'm cool with her now.And I respect her, you know what I'm saying?But she knew it was going to be a lot of work to try to put a like me on then.Definitely.You know what I'm saying?Who are the most important, I don't even want to say stud, but the most importantlesbian female rappers in history?Missy Elliott.
39:20Queen Latifah.Definitely Missy Elliott too.to but then at some point well but I'm not at some point they weren'tstuzz no more yeah see they weren't stars no one I don't think of either ofthem as stuts I definitely think a young Emma is what year did we go on or and gositting with the president of diff jam yeah so like man yeah I've been doing thisshit a long time mm missie Elliott maybe a little bit with stoodShe's just all fashionable and shit.
39:54She wearing garbage bags.She didn't have dick.She didn't have dick.She ain't stood.Hey, salute to Miss Elylea, because she is hell of a creative.She's still a hell of a creative.King's taking them away from her.You know what I'm saying?
40:07But if she had dick, she ain't no stud.I don't even, I don't even, I don't think she's ever even said she was gay, right?Right.Like, we're just assuming, which is kind of bizarre.Have you ever seen all the boyfriend?No.Me neither.I don't even think I've seen her in, like,
40:23But it's alleged.Let me say alleged.Yeah.Because I learned from Tasha K, you got to say alleged.But you got a gay door.I do got a gay door.Is she?Yes.
40:33Hey, I asked Chad GBT.Missy Elliott has never publicly stated that she identifies as gay lesbian or bisexual.Over the years, there's been rumors, but she's never confirmed anything.Now, ask them, has she came out to be straight?You got to play the devil's advocate.Well, okay.So even in this answer, she has said in interviews that she prefers to let her music speak for herself.and doesn't discuss her romantic life publicly.
40:55She dodged a question, mother.But you know, there's a lot of people in Hollywoodthat are like unbelievably blatantly gay,but have never admitted it.Like, you know the full Pedro Pascal,the actor?He's in the Fantastic Four and The Last of Usand all these movies and stuff.
41:12Oh, yeah, the Last of Us, okay.He is, if you ever see him talk,these are the gayest dude you ever see in your life.He's never admitted it, though.Yeah.It's kind of interesting, you know?I don't know what the,They're doing, they better get some of this gay money.
41:25Speaking of...But let's be real.It's going to affect your career significantly.Like, even if...He's going to get the gay.Man, listen, Hollywood loves gays.Hollywood loves gays.Yeah.
41:37Even Diddy.He's going to come out even after rubbing niggas nut on his nipples, on his titties.He's going to come out and he's going to get some old money.Yep.He might even come out with Diddy oil, Diddy juice, whatever.It's going to sell.Honestly, I love that idea, but I kind of doubt that he wants to,bring back those memories over and over.
41:54Man, shit.If you're going to capitalize off of it,somebody else going to do it.Yeah, I mean, but still to this day,we do not have, like, definitive proofthat Diddy has ever done anything homosexual,although obviously the nipple rubbing of the cum.Come on.
42:08Come on, bro.What did you...How much gay do you?That's gay as fuck.Okay, but I'm saying that Vlad interviewed,like, eight different escorts.Right.That were banging out Cassie in front of Diddy.
42:19Right.Zero of them said that Diddy did anything gay to them.Now, I'll acknowledge that the nipple come thing is like the craziest shit ever,but it's not sucking a dick.Because you can't unsuck a d-it.It shows so many the motherfuckers than suck the dick.Dead homies.If you think about sucking a d' bitch, you are gay.
42:38You poor-ass, nigger, you gay.You got to think about it.Have you ever thought about sucking a dick?Of course.Just long enough to decide not to.You decide to suck the skin off the d'i.No, no, I decided not to do it.So you said, I'm going to put the ducing.
42:53close to my face and see if I'm going to kiss me.Let me get close enough to smell it.You funny as fuck at him.But you want to people film, see what we're talking about.But what about?What?I've thought about.What?
43:05I've thought about sucking my own.Oh, you a big time for you.Like just if I could, I can.Your neck?You're a rubber neck like that?I'm just saying like, if I could, would I?Joe Rogan says that he can do it.You would do it?
43:16No, I don't think so.But Joe Rogan used to, I would all,and I fuck with Joe Rogan.Uh-huh.But come on, man.He used to host feelFear Factor.Do you think that was one of the challenges?
43:25He's going to suck your own dick.No, I'm too scared.See, that's funny as fuck.Yo, it would be hell of funny to do Fear Factor,and then you just have to give head.Man, that's down there how you...You're going to eat this gross.Yeah.
43:42No, no, like a...A series.And like, hey, Fear Factor.We just bring out like a 500-pound shit.Fear Factor, there's some dirty.They'll put you.in a coffin full of wormsand give you $200.
43:56And that's in theFear Factor, that's the exactkind of thing that we're going to do.You got this woman in a coffinfull of worms.In a snake for a pit full of snakes.I mean, we're going to call it Factor.That's funny.
44:09It's a fuck factor.Something like that.And we're going to top it offwith somebody to sponsor.Hell cat the strap.There you go.Like cat.Yeah, man.
44:21That way.Yo, but you know they're bringing back Fear Factorand they're going to have Johnny Knoxville be the host.Man, I wonder what kind of sick, disgusting shitthat they could come up with in 2025 or 2026to make these people do something for $5,000.Yeah, I don't know, but they're bringing it back, which is cool.I think, you know, the world needs that.
44:41I mean, picture those clips going viral on Twitter and TikTok.I mean, it's going to get a ton of free promotion, realistically.Yeah.Okay.So speaking of, look.Sure.So when the, like I've been with you for two years, Adam.I'll f*** with you.
44:57Uh-huh.You hear me?Like, I fuck with you when you're not listening.Yeah.Well, now I got something to say now right fast, though.Go crazy.Because I was trying to tag no jumper today, the page.Yeah.
45:10And I saw that nobody, y'all don't follow me no more.Oh, really?Man, damn, they hurt my feelings now.I'm saying, what in the fuck going on?Um, the social media team is not the same as, like, the team of people who are in the office day toSo I can tell him to follow you.You better tell them, man.I'll be telling him up.
45:27So, okay, look, because technically people are like,cat, you're the first no gay, no jumper host.I'm like, yeah.Well.So I'm besides that other guy.But I'm the willingly, I'm willingly telling you.I'm gay.I like, you know what I'm talking about?
45:42But that other dude, he, he's not willingly telling you.But I learned, I ain't talking about that.I ain't talking about him.Dejan.And you still, you're so funny.I'm supposed to go see Dejaun tomorrow.So that joke was kind of unprecedented.Are you and him of the same homosexual ilk,
46:04or are you guys kind of like opposite sides?What do you mean?Do I think he ever had some?No, I don't think.I don't think he ever had no one.If he has, he didn't imagine it to me.So technically he is the gayest, and I'm gay.So we are, yeah, we're on the same side.
46:18I mean, I just feel like, you know, the super feminine menand then the super tough gangster women,like why would you get along?Yeah, you're both gay, but like,you're total opposite sides and total opposite genders.We like to smoke weed.We like to eat good food.Like, why would any normal person get along?
46:34Everything got to be about just being gay.That full of Dejone would be rolling the skimpiest little blunts in here?You're 40 as hell.I'm just saying, like, you know.You're footy as hell.Like, you're from Englewood and you're smoking like that?And then I would all do respect.It don't look like Dejaon was feminine.
46:50I've seen him fight.That's real.But to be fair,Gangsters niggas ain't through a punch.If I want to see a fight tonight,if I want a guaranteed squabble,I'm going to the gayest area in town.Those people get drunk as hell and they want to fight.
47:05Yeah, you're right now.Well, I don't know.I mean, I've seen a few notable fights.I don't know if they're like really consistently fighting, but...Man, you don't have been in the gay club beforeand I seen the security run in and say,somebody tearing up their bins outside in the alleyway.Yeah?
47:22I said, what in the fuck?It was my car.Tearing it up?Yeah.Just smashing that?Oh, shit.So, yeah, it's like women,gay women are pretty violent,
47:31but you know.Oh, okay, that's crazy.I know.You ain't ever had no bitch act like that about you at?No, I don't think I ever really had a girllike destroy my shit.And nobody ever threatenednot to eat or kill these ill.
47:45No, no.Bro, I've been riding on a freeway with a bitch.And I'm like,fuck this shit, man.Take me to my car.I just want to get a power.out of here. I ain't, you know, bitch, I ain't talking you no more.Yeah. The bitch pulled over on the freeway.
47:57And.Made you get out, walk home?No, the bitch ran in the middle of the road.Wait, really?Yeah.She was ready to die.Man, I'm talking about, yes.That's crazy.
48:08I know it.I know.I know. The goddamn.Yeah, I'm sorry. I got to ask this question.As long as we're airing out, every last possible question.Have you ever orgasmed from clitoral stimulation?What do you do you do?think it is when
48:23if youbuy the rightman I'm notgonna answer thisI'm notI didI think itI think it
48:34you knowas long as we're sitting hereI'm notgoing to answer thatthere's neverI'm not going to let yousexualize meor per month
48:41don't answerI'm just likeI figure as long as we're in thisenvironmentwe might as well askevery last questionthat weno I'm not feeling
48:47goddamn me let yousexualize meI was likehmm have youyeah rightSee? I mean, it's right there.But a fair amount of women, like non-gay women, don't ever do that either, I think.How did she work?
49:00I don't know.I just heard...I just heard dirt say he won't jack off.Yeah, I feel like people jack off it, like, you'll rape something.You'll take something.Probably like 98% of men.You need to nut that bad?Yeah.
49:15You know what I'm crazy?You're all right, a wet dream?Yeah.Shit sucks.It do.You wake up stuck to the bed and shit.Yeah, I mean, I haven't done it since I was like 13, but...I had a way to dream in my 20s.
49:27When I think about it, I was so horny as like a 13-year-old boy, and I had no idea.I just didn't know.I didn't know.You got to control your mind.Yeah, but like, I didn't know how to jerk off.I didn't know how to get rid of it.In retrospect, I would have been jerking off twice a day, every day.Keep my shit regulated.
49:44But I was, I was a child.I was foolish.It's your mind.I didn't know.You watching...Now you get paid.I still think about that first, not all the time.I'd be asking, niggas, I say, man, how to fuck you around here poke and broke?
49:56Bitch, you know you could jack off in a cup and get paid?How much do they pay for that?It's not great.I had a friend back in the day who was a sperm donor.It was pretty weak.Really?Yeah, it's not like you could just beat off all day every day.You got some poor-ass niggas around here giving plasma.
50:12I mean, it's something.You know what the fuck that part was?Because I thought when I found out that my friend was getting paid to jerk off in a cup,I was like, I want to do it too.You need a college degree.No bullshitYou seriousProbably a lot of other people would be doing it
50:27If you didn't need a college degree, you knowI mean shit I definitely wouldn't know about thisBut I'm just saying likeMost guys besides Derek are beating offWhy not do it in a laboratory and a cupButYou know no dumb ass spermYeah you're right
50:43Because I man you know how much sperm costsYou remember I just did IVF with the wifeSpirn costThat's why I'm asking like why is youyou niggas around here,I gotta save my spermit's gonna cost me $600 a year.You what?
50:56Like,to cryogenically freeze my sperm?$600 a year.And really,that's not bad.Yeah,that's not bad.How many,
51:05how much,how many embryosare they trying to freeze?I don't know.But I know we have nineof her embryos frozen.Okay.Y'all considering it.
51:13That's dope though.Yeah.A lot of people make the mistakethinking, oh,IVF is for gays.Yeah,but it's not.Everybody's doing it out.
51:20Yeah, that's right.It's for people who can't conceive.Even just like rich people in general, I won't say who,but I know somebody who told me that they went through the whole selection processwhere you examine all the embryos and you figure out which one is going to basicallylike be the tallest, the strongest, the smartest, the, you can, I don't know,I guess somehow make general statements about the kid before it even exists.Well, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to show you how weird people are.
51:47I mean, think about it, in comparison of that, just nutting in a girl and just, well, whatever,happens. That just sounds crazy, right? Like, if I could select, like, yeah, I want a NBA player who'sgoing to become a doctor. Either one of those is fine, yeah, or WMBA. I was thinking, you know,somebody's smart, you know what I'm saying? Because my wife's smart, so. Yeah. Okay, but would yourather your kid be guaranteed, like, top-tier intellectual, or guaranteed top-tier physicality?Like, could be a quarterback or something.Intellectual.Yeah, you're right.
52:23Because I happen to know.Because you're one ACL tear away from the physical part, not mattering anyway.You want to be smart than, you want to be smarter than anything.You want to be smarter than be tough.You know, some niggas want to be tough.Yeah.You know, I ain't, the toughest nigga I know ain't bulletproof.You know what I'm saying?
52:42But also, even if you have, like, NFL level genetics,yeah.It's very unlikely that you're actually going to make it into the NFL.You're probably.probably just going to be 6-6 and buff and for nothing.What are you disgrace to shit?This is a DM from a woman.I've been following you for years since you had Wix.
53:00Aw.Have you and your wife ever thought about getting a surrogate?I had one of my babies myself,and I wouldn't mind caring for you guys.Yes, I'm a stud, and I hope that don't make this message weird,but I love helping people,and I feel that people want to be parents should have the opportunity to.Right.
53:14You see what you just did?Wow.You see what you just did?I think.And her default picture on Instagram, for sure she is a stud because she looked like Orlando Brown.That ain't why motherfuckers of studs.That's crazy, though, because you want to know.No, but no, it's, I literally got that.
53:31That shit right there, you know, I don't do that stud on stud.That shit.That shit piss me up.You know what I'm saying?But she doesn't want to have sex.She just wants to carry the baby.Why would I want my baby mama to be a stud, Adam?She wouldn't actually be her baby mama.
53:42She's just going to be the carrier.Hell, no, you know.I'm just saying, like.No.No.No.It is different about it.Fuck no.
53:51And then it makes me mad because you said you've been watching for years.Like, you're going to say anything about anything.You're talking about that crazy, corny ass shit.You're trying to make some money off you.Po bitch.I mean, bitch.Okay.Let me explain, though.
54:05If you have your own surrogate, you can save like 30 grand or 40 grand because the agency fee that you pay to the surrogacy agency is quite a bit.Now, to be fair, they do a lot as wellin terms of making sure that the person is mentally all there.Like, I honestly feel like having a surrogatethat's a random person off Instagram with 900 followerscould definitely go bad.Man, she, motherfucker had 13 followers talking about.Hey, man, no, man, no bullshit of it costs,
54:39just like anything else you want in the world.But no, my wife wants to, she wants to experience.How do you know?of being a mom.Cliff World, who I interviewed the other day,also a red rag wearing Arkansas member.Yeah, red, red, red flag.Yeah.
54:54We don't say rag.We say flag.We cherish it.It's a flag.Got it.How are you guys become cool?He's a different generation than you, I guess.He is.
55:06Cliff a nigga from Lurah.Right.You know what I'm saying?That's my nigger.Shit, I tell him what I think,and he tell me what he think,and shit, we, goddamn it, that's what it is.We partners.
55:19I feel like that's why you're doing this interview right nowis because you were like, God damn, that ain't right.No, I actually-They interviewed another Arkansas resident before me.Nope, I'm not mad at that.Nope, I'm not.You're my partner, Adam.And then I be busy and shit, but no, I'm going to tell you what I,
55:37because I had been hitting Josh.Now, I'm aware Josh is busy,and he'd be having a lot of bullshit going on.But I'm seeing that the motherfuckers had unfollowed me, which I didn't deserve.I put in a lot of work.No Jumper did.Oh, so No Jumper did follow you and then unfollowed you.Yeah, motherfucker.
55:54Oh, wow.I would have tagged them this morning.I see I tagged you.People don't usually believe this, but I log into the November account almost never.Well, all right then.That's why I tagged you.I guess they do unfollow cleanses from time to time.But what I'm saying is I hit, I've been trying to hit Josh.
56:12and he's been acting like a poor-ass niggerHe hit me backSo he acted like he don't want me to do the newsYou know I like the newsA lot of people be likeOh shitYou shouldn't go do the newsI like the news
56:23You know what I'm talking aboutI don't think it's nothing wrong with liking the newsWhat's wrong with the news?NothingIt's just I was just likeYou knowI've sat withNatasha Kaye
56:36She just reshared meAnd she asked me what my number isOh wowAnd Jason Lee reshareme. Shout out toreal life street stars. I'm going viralover there. Like, I'm goingviral everywhere. Right?
56:51But I ain't getting no law from my no jumpor family at him. I mean,Josh is kind of stressed out. The whole Israelsituation. Oh, what isthat? His mind might be inanother place. I don't know. I'll talk to him.Thank you. Okay, sowhen did you decide,
57:07you know what, rap being it, I'm going to be a personality?Shit, man.I was told I was, II always been one.I ain't doing shit but talking.See, two years ago, I was here on,I was here, like I said,my therapist and them thought I was tripping.
57:29I was like, I'm gonna move to California.I can afford it.I ain't f*** up.They thought I was really tripping.You know what I'm saying?And when they see me online,they thought that I was, I was mannequin.So they had me on all kind of, yeah.
57:42They had me on all kind of bipolar medicine and shitSo I was like, calm, coolI was trying to be coolBut now I don't take this shit no moreYou didAnd shit, I was like, okayAll right, Cliff was like, hey,you really are the number one stuff
57:58that I know anyway, in the worldAnd he was like that, I don't know nobody like youSo I'm like, okay, all rightAll right, fuck it, I get it.I mean, it's like a new world we live in, like rappers do interviewsbut now we have the Jay Maines, the CripMax, the Four Extras,it's a lot of different people who are kind of, you know,the music is sort of afterthought.
58:22And it's more about just keeping it entertaining in interviewsand stuff like that.Obviously Charleston White probably like kind of the go to that.So did you kind of like see what some of those people had had going on?You were like, you know what?I could be like that.I always been me.And I just decided to open my mouth and talk.
58:38Right.And then I was just like, it's kind of funny because,I remember you asked me one day, you said, hell cat, what are we going to do with you?And it was kind of funny.I was like, I don't know.But shit, I don't do nothing but open my mouth and talk, man.I don't give a fuck.I mean, it seemed like I offend a lot of people who don't, you know, don't know who they are.
58:57Other people, they f*** with me.Right.You know?Definitely.But look, speaking of that.Yeah.When do I get the Adam stimulus pack?What is that?
59:10You don't know.I feel like I interview is kind of that.No.No.Okay.Okay, look, let me tell you.You tell me.Dad let me know you don't know.
59:20You know how when Drake,when Drake get on an artist shit and they own.Yeah.Like, you don't understand what the, what the,I'd be trying to tell you.Like, I've told you before, Adam,I don't think you know how big you are.Yeah.
59:36You know what I'm saying?And maybe it's because you're in your own bubble.I get it because.Because sometimes I don't be knowing how big I am.You did?Until we go outside.What if I secretly know, and I'm just playing humble?No, being humble, though.
59:50You think I don't know?Because sometimes people say, oh, yeah, you do.Of course I doubt, but I like to be low-key about it.But look, you gave that poor-ass-nigger King Peele to the Adam stimulus.We tried.You gave four extras, the Adam stimulus.You gave Brick Baby the Adam stimulus.I can really go on.
01:00:09You know what I'm talking about?But I feel like shit.Come on, man, shit.I've been working my ass off.Yeah.I don't know.I mean, like the Tuesday show is kind of like,I don't know.
01:00:21I feel like we have a pretty solid crew.We definitely need something more of like a wild cardlike to replace the,the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,uncle's good, but he's also a fruitcake and he's very unreliable.So I don't know.We're trying to kind of figure out, like, there's one final piece on that joint.and then like the news
01:00:40I don't knowI do feel like no drummer needs likeone more like consistent showmaybe like a nightly type showbutit's just a question of likewho exactly we enlistyou be doing the motherfucking reaction videos
01:00:53man you can getstreaming solo streamingman if you can getone more with youto do some reaction videosbecause I'd be laughingand I getI like to laugh
01:01:07rightSo, you know, but, man, that shit is a dope idea, and you should do it often.Yeah, well, I'm trying to average 10 hours a week of streaming solo, which really is unfortunate because that basically means that I have to do it at night.So I'm going to try to do that more consistently.But the interviews is just like, like today I got three interviews.It's like six hours damn near that I got to be on content.It's a lot.Yeah, it is.
01:01:31But I'm trying to get more consistent with all that stuff.Okay.So we got to talk about this.Okay, we talked about Cliff World.Okay, the BoJackman thing.We got to talk about it because this was a very, very viral arc in the career of Hellcat.Oh, man.So just for the people who haven't seen it, maybe we can include a clip here,
01:01:50but we were on the news.I wasn't there.You were on the news.You were with Bo Jackman, one of the many people who kind of came into our orbitthrough that one stream that we did, right?And so at a certain point, Bo Jackman starts to kind of turn up with you on you,the conversation because you said somethingabout what being
01:02:11a biologicalthat if you had a childthat would be your biological childnone of that is the reason whyI was just talking bro. It's been a while I forgetbut then he it felt like hetried to get onyou and he didn't care what you were saying
01:02:27he was trying to make a point and goviral and itfelt kind of weird to me especially inretrospect just because it felt like oh he's liketrying to go viral off herand he don't really care about what she's actually saying.He don't care about the nuance.He's just trying to go out for a clip.
01:02:42Right.I get it.And I saw him do that to a little buddy the other day.Yeah.And when I saw that, I'm like, ah, okay, wait.This is a pattern.I got it.And then it kind of, it was kind of a, when a, went on a tour.
01:02:56It wasn't even that serious.He went on, like, 18 Mexican podcasts about that moment.Yeah.It's just not that serious.But, yeah, dude ended up DMing me.And I was like, man, tell you.him, yeah, I'll sit with him. You got 15 on a lot?Poor ass new. You were trying to get
01:03:13on his platform?Man, we could have, hey, I would have, I would havestreamed with him shitting on the toilet if he paid me.Right. Otherwise, man, I'm not interested in that, man.I feel, but I do feel likeI do feel likehe was looking for a moment, and he got one.And in the crazy part, he didn't do nothing with it.
01:03:34Because he was on some cornball shit with Buddy.The other day, I was like, boy, it was such a cornball.Yeah.It's weird because it felt like everybody used to think that No Jumper was all about these viral moments between the hosts.And now with more time that's gone by, it feels like a lot of times those moments are just kind of like not worth the squeeze.Like they just, even if they go viral, it's only viral within like this kind of small universe unless they really go over the top.And then, you know, it just doesn't really, I don't know,it kind of makes us look a little silly at times.
01:04:10Yeah.Because I know that people might not get it because, like you said,hey, cat, you're working on being a personality.Because that's exactly what the fuck I'm doing.Yeah.I'm not trying to be Joe Rogie nor Adam have a billion streams on an interview.I'm not trying to be that.Now, if that happens, thank you, God.
01:04:29You know, I know I like people.So I know I can pod.You know what I'm saying?But I'm just trying to get into what I'm doing, you know?Okay.But so looking back on how you reacted in that moment, what do you think of it?Like what is your thought process on how that went?Well, one, I gave them too much of my energy.
01:04:59You turned up.You started swinging on people.No, I didn't add them.No, I didn't.Bows were thrown.No, they wouldn't.No, they wouldn't.I hate that
01:05:11that I couldn't just talk about himwithout affecting everybody elsebecause I didn't mean to affect everybody else.Now, motherfuckers coming calling me monkeyand all kind of shit like that.Like, okay, y'all gonna make me goddamnyou really turn up on you poor ass.You're talking about like the comments and stuff?
01:05:34Yeah, yeah, yeah.But I learned, as I'm learning, more about media, being media trained, everything don't deserve a response.You know, I said what I said.I did what I did.I didn't have to go back and forth with everybody because I didn't want to.But in all fairness, Adam, now that you know that I'm being a, I'm a personality, right?Just like a Charleston White might come in here and cusset everybody out and call everybody crackles.Well, to be fair, he says racist shit.
01:06:05all the time and nobody really gives a fuck, right?Ain't nobody gives a fuck.Yeah.Right?But what I'm saying is,everybody in their work atmosphere still deserves to be secure.Yeah.Right?
01:06:17My nigger's seeing shit on the camera.They like, man, what the fuck?Like, they pissed off this, nigga, what you're doing?Yeah.You know what I'm talking about?Now, I might not be important to some people, but others I am.Right.You know?
01:06:30A lot of people didn't appreciate that shit.So, I mean, you know, it's the unfortunate thing about,a roast battle that if I, you know, say I was married to a fat woman.My wife is 400 pounds, alternate universe.And then I get in an argument on the podcast and I, with some girl who's fat,and I start saying, oh, you fat, sweaty, large, smelling ass, bitch,you big, broke, you know, whatever, big back bitch, whatever.Then logically, my wife could be like, well, you were making fun of her for being fat.
01:07:01Like, what do you think of me?It would make sense.So, I mean, in your case, you kind of turned up on some Mexican stereotypes,and that unfortunately made you also the target for various other people who saw that was racist.Let me make this clear, and I'm going to get this clear.Even the people that I see that be working, like, oh, man, everybody in cut your arms.I got respect for them people.Right.
01:07:29They wake up every Friday.I pay them out in my pocket to do a, do,something for me. And in this biga-haired neighborhood, I know they make it 10 to 20,000a week. To me, that'sgood. That's great money.Maybe the guy who owns the company, probably notthe day laborer. Well, man,
01:07:46they might do own it. However,I'm saying, I see them consistently.I know they're great workers.I know they're not fin of steal shit. You know what I'mtalking about? And down south, we justdon't deal with it, like the people thatwhiz. We just don't.What do you mean? Like,
01:08:01Like they're not as vocal?Mexicans is niggas.Okay.So you feel everybody kinds of blends together more down there?Yeah.It's not.Now, I know it's people, individuals.Some people are, you know, they're racist.
01:08:17It's what people hear, what people grow up around, you know?But no, man.I know that it's just, it's just down south, it's like, you my nigger.Like my, my motherfuck.Mexican, he my nigger. I'm his nigger. You know what I'm talking about? It's not like it is out here.Right. Because like worldwide or countrywide, it's like POC. Like the term POC, person in color,is basically like meant to erase any differences between black and brown people. Who thefuck says that? Uh, woke people, white people, uh, academic type people. Um, and I only say that to say
01:08:59that, you know, out here seems kind of foreignbecause out here, Mexican people have their own identityand black people have their own identityand they're not even close to the same.Now, they might go through some of the same strugglesand everything, but it is kind of weirdlike the whole POC thingbecause it kind of attempts to lump everybody together.
01:09:20It's like white people versus everybody else.Like, well, we'll take in the Native Americansand the Filipinos.We're all people of color.And then over there, Jews, Irish, Italian, whatever, you're white, you, stay away.I don't know about this shit, man.I just feel like, I feel like, I ain't going to even say what the I want to saybecause I don't want to be like, God, damn, did you hear what that, niggas?
01:09:46Air it out.What could be worse than what you've already said?Yeah, man, it's just, niggas, niggers, where I'm from.It don't matter if you black.I'm gonna call you a po-ass nigger.You don't get to say what the fuck you want to say to me.Nigna, I'm a boss.That's just the way to go.
01:10:04Now, it's like, even if I go here and I say, okay,I apologize to the Mexicans,I've got to blame the black people here.Niggas, this is your fault, nigga?Because, one, it's not the 90s no more.I don't get what they're talking about,you know, Mexicans run this,and I get the overpopulation.
01:10:27and niggas get respect and but you if you getting seven dollars an hour you can't talk to cat thatyour hell cat any kind of way not down south my niggas not going to talk to me any kind of wayyou get what i'm saying and it's a lot of around here there's just some pooh motherfuckersthat feel entitled because and feel feel proud of your whoever you are but are you saying thatyou don't think people are deserving of having an opinion or being able to talk to a rich personif they're broke.You're talking to me about credit.It depends on what you want to talk about.
01:11:00Right.Talking to me about credit and your ass a poe with 400 credits, though?No, bitch, po-ass.You can't talk to me about credit.That's fair.I mean, somebody who has never done a podcast can't really tell me too much about podcasting.Exactly.But, I mean, they could, in theory, be like an expert on,
01:11:20maybe they've spent 20 years of their life listening to podcastsand they have something to offer.but I'm going to take it with a grand assaultif they've never done one.One thing about a commentatorthat typically that, you know,commentates the game they used to play.You get what I'm saying?
01:11:37Quite often, yeah.Yeah.Like me.I don't got, hey, add my YouTube to,Hellcat 3 Ts 501.A person on YouTube, like me,I can't tell Adam how to run your YouTube.Man shit, I got a po-ass YouTube right now.
01:11:52Yeah?You know what I'm saying?So how I look like telling you how to run no jumpI can't do that shitYou're not gonna listen to what to hellYou might can listen to some ideasOr things of that natureRight
01:12:02Man you're not gonna play with me about your moneyRightYeah I meanI guess I'm used to itBecause I'm like constantly reading commentsFrom people telling me like what I should be doingWith my platformWhat I should be doing with money
01:12:16What I should be doing my relationshipIt's just at a certain pointIt's like okayBut I get itBecause it's like you knowMe and my wife might sit aroundOh, did you see what the Kardashians are doing?Can you believe this dumb bitch did this?
01:12:28You know, we talk about people more famous than us.Yeah.I get it.So I get it that people want to talk about us.That's cool.I don't mind.So, okay, studs in general.Okay.
01:12:44I feel like Drusky kind of like ushered in a new erawhere it's kind of like, hey, studs are viral.Studs are entertaining.Studs are stars.We're going to do a reality show.It's kind of a hilarious conceptbecause like why would Druskywant a date a stud?
01:13:01It doesn't even make any sense.It's almost like we're sayingthat he's a lesbian woman.I don't understand.Listen, I plan ongoing to me, my boy Nietzsche.Shout out Nietzsche.Shout out to my boy, Ugly Money, Nietzsche.
01:13:14Nietzsche goes, he tells me two weeks ago,he calls me, he says,hell cat.Ain't no way around it.You got to go do the Drusky show.I said, man, what you talking about?He's doing another round.He said, okay, I'll walk you in there personally.
01:13:30I'll let them know.He got their own, they got their own plugs.I ain't going to have to stand in no line, no shit like that.But I'm going to go pop my shit with Druski.They said, man, look, you in this world, you ain't even tried to tap into the gay world.Now, I tried to see if I could sit with Ray J, but I didn't get no answer back.Really?Yeah.
01:13:50Hmm.I mean, he did do the trans reality show.Man, I need that gay money.Yeah.Shit, I'm number one stud in the world.Ellen them came with me.Come on, Ray J.Let's get that gay money.
01:14:02Let's get that gay money, Ray J.But look, what all, because I know whack going through,whack, that's why he hit an ass.He might didn't get it back, or he didn't get back with me.You hit whack in the ass?Yeah.I asked him, you know, how much would it be to?to make this happen for me.
01:14:23Ah, okay.You asked Ray, Ray, you asked Wack about doing something with Ray J.Okay, and he didn't get back to you?Mm-mm.But I get it.Ray J is all over the place.Like, at one point he was just streaminglike a million hours a day on Twitch.
01:14:38That's dope.And I don't even, uh.Do you don't, you don't, Twitch?Uh, I have it to play poker on.Mm-hmm.And that's about it at this time,but we might start streaming,like we have a new show that I think we're gonna do,
01:14:51which we're going to stream on Twitchbecause we want to be able to play musicthroughout the showand that's a lot easier on Twitchthan on YouTube.So I think we might premiere it on Twitch every dayevery time we do it, yeah.For sure.
01:15:04So okay, what's Hellcat got coming up?What are you working on?What can the people pay attention forand wait for?Well, I'm going to go do a mic drop.I don't know if you saw me.I did a mic drop at real-life street stars.Nice.
01:15:17And people didn't know I knew how to rap.Like, oh, wow.okay so I guess after I do this I'm gonna try to go and get this footage why I'm hereokay do me a no jump or mic drop I suppose uh for 2026 I'm shooting big right I'm gonna getthat Adam stimulus back I'm gonna go do Tasha K I want to sit down with uh well what is it don'tcall me white girl and hit me the other day too shot I'm on her yeah she's on Joe Budden's showright now that's that's cool it's cool I guess just to have that cool range that people they seeand you can want to work with it is.
01:15:50Another no jumber L right there.We tried to get her.I shot my shot.Did you?Yeah.Well, she just said,fuck, you don't make them all?You ain't giving me no money?
01:16:01She honestly never really even responded.Really?Well, she already had a contract with a breakbeat media.She may or may not still have a show with.But now she's also a co-host on the Joe Button and Pod.But I mean, she lives in Philly.She didn't want to move out here either way, so I feel like, you know.But it's still the way.
01:16:20around shit like that though.When it's about work,you can, it's, yeah,it's about work, yeah, yeah.But yeah, I was supposed to beallegedly sitting down with her.I'm trying to get down me.I'm 2026.
01:16:33I'm doing all podcasts.I'm doing goddamn me interviews.And I'm gonna pop my shit.I've been,but it seemed like I've just been givingmy own takes on shit.And it's been going crazy.Yeah, there you go.
01:16:43You're doing numbers.That's that new ecosystem.If you have a hot take, you can go viral.You can be posted on every pageif you say the right thing.Or if I had the Adam stimulus package.She wants to get stimulated by the 22, sir.Man, come on, man.
01:16:57Anything is possible.Man, you're crazy as hell, man.Tell him where to follow you and what you want them to tap in with.YouTube in particular, Hellcat with three T's.Three T's 501.It's Cat Daddy.501 on YouTube.How are you acting like, oh, how do you know about that?
01:17:14It's your username.Yeah.God damn, I guess you're right.I didn't know that.But I just changed it the other day, so it ain't no way you knew about it.Oh, well, if you changed it, why are you telling them about it?Because I'm trying to get them to go to my YouTube page.But you changed it.
01:17:29That's why I gave them the new one.And the page that no jumper is going to follow, hell cat 3Ts 501 on Instagram.Right?Right.I'm going to tell them to do it.I'm going to do it right now.Why not?I'm saying, why not, man?
01:17:46Because I'm supposed to ask, you guys are supposed to follow me every.I don't know.You're right.I agree.But no bullshit.I know that people might not know.Like even when you sit down with Sean,I don't know if you remember me telling Sean.
01:18:00I said, Sean, you don't remember.I've been trying to get you to come sit down at no jumper.And he was like, you know what you have?I said, I've been trying to get you to come and sit down with Adam.You know what I'm saying?So, man, I put in a lot of work, man.Shit.Oh, yeah?
01:18:13You haven't made that one happen?I didn't know that.You didn't know that?I did not know that.Well, God damn.Well, I mean, I, I,I kind of arranged it with him.I tried to make it happen a year before you did it in Dallas.
01:18:26I'm not going to lie to you.We have been trying to make that one happen for like five years, probably more.But, you know, every bit helps.So thank you for that.Shit, all right, Hellcat.You got to be careful with that H blank out here.Why you say that?You go around with that.
01:18:43Don't be tattooing HK on your forehead.I'll just put it that way.Man, look here.Oh, yeah, that's a.That's the other guy you said we.Well, that's why we put it on Krip Mac's forehead.Well, I didn't do it, but there was a picture of Kripmackand they photoshopped his forehead to say, hellcat.
01:18:59Yeah, that's one.That's kind of funny.That is funny.Yeah.That is funny.Free Krip Mac.It'll be out any day now.That's pretty dope.
01:19:06Maybe not.I show hate that I didn't get a chance to meet four extras, man.Go pull up on him, hit him up.He ain't burning out.He on burning out.You can go down there was like a 20-minute drive.Definitely not going.But all that means burning out.
01:19:19I want to burn now.No, no bullshit.I feel my hair.I seen his hand, though.Did you see it?The whole hand?Yeah, you didn't see it?I feel like everybody keeps falling for a fake post.
01:19:28It looked like a Ninja Turtle hand.Yeah, there's a...That's a...That's a...That's...That's...Like, a little video that I keep seeing it on Instagram,and then people keep saying to me like,
01:19:37yo, did you see his hand?And I'm like, I'm pretty sure they're seeing the same fake video I saw.But, no, I don't think he's revealed it yet.That's going to be where the money's at.He got to start an only fans for his nub.Only hands?Only hands.Hey.
01:19:49That is dope.I mean, if he wants to do the hand reveal, why not make him pay?He tried to make you pay $50,000.$200, he shows up at your house and shows you.No.It takes your stuff after.And then I would say do a good promo, but I'd be saying his promo and it'd be funny.I'd be laughing.
01:20:08Off the back.Yeah, man, off the back.Off the cat.Yeah, I'm burning.Off the cat.Off the cat.I had to see.I'm burning now.
01:20:14The cat.No.No, I f*** with him.I wish I could have to say.Because the funniest thing, because of the funniest thing, becauseBecause that interview with him and Orlando Brown and you,don't play with me, no Kiki Palmer.Funniest line in the whole interview, classic.
01:20:28Yeah.I'm glad we made it out of their life.All right.Yo, Hellcat.Appreciate you.All right.No Jumper.Coolest podcast.
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