No Jumper - Herm The Black Sheep on Being NBA Youngboy's Right Hand Man, Beating a M*rder Case & More

Episode Date: October 12, 2026

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No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. I'm in here today with my man Remo, and we bring in the streets a long-awaited interview with a mysterious figure, a guy who, I think the world really needs to know more about. We need a more intimate portrayal of NBA Herm in the building today. How you doing, man? Harmed the Black Sheep.

Herm, the Black Sheep. I always said the full thing. or is it okay to abbreviate to herm? You've got her. Okay. I like it. So. You hit me with like,

killer stare right now. No, man. I'm just like, oh, shit. I'm like, I felt like you might have been doing the thing where we waited until we started the interview and then you were kind of like, hey, we got some shit to talk about. That's great. I don't really be chilling.

I ain't going to allow. I've talked to bro a few times and bro really just be chilling, like for the most part, right? Yeah. Just get some money behind the scene. Yeah. I feel like you're like a patient, calm individual. I mean, I just be, you know what I'm saying? I'd be, I'd be cool enough of them.

See, you know what I'm saying? I relax and steak. Yeah. Mm. But, I mean, I feel like in the world of like young boy in his career and stuff that he's got wild creative energy. He could be recording for the next couple weeks.

He could catch a flight to a different country with a love interest. I feel like you're a steady energy, whereas his energy is kind of creative and changing all the time. I feel like you're the steady presence.

I mean, see, like, you know, that one. You know, for you to be that cool and having fun, you know what I'm saying? Mm. You got to think about it for the man being on a house of rest. down at his whole life, bro.

Yeah. So, shit. You might you want to have fun? Mm. He ain't doing shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, fun. Yeah, fun of, definitely.

Okay, we got to go from the beginning, though. You ready to dive in your childhood a little bit? Or, or actually, I, Remo kind of wrote the questions. You think we should start there? Yeah, let's start from the beginning, man. Let's give people a deep dive or who Herm is. So how you even get your name, like, Herm, Herm, the Black Sheet. Was that given to you?

Man, my real real people just called, but y'all don't know this shit. I don't know if people just thought it called me the black chick. When you said people, though, it had to be, like, who was the first person you remember, like, you know, double-in-that-name? Man, I can't really say the first person, I don't know. As a, like, as a kid, like, you been, like, they've been calling you that, or that was, like, you chose harm the black shit when you was rap. Or you used that forever since you can remember? For about, like, good. good 15, 16, yeah.

What age would you say? She's about 16. Oh, all right, for sure, for sure. You ever see this minor threat album cover? This is why I always think of when I see your name. Yeah, no. We just got the one black sheep doing his own thing.

Just an idea. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, what that name mean to you? Yeah, like, a black sheep is, like, exiled from society. You seem like you're pretty good with your community. Man, like, you got to think about it, But like, man, I was out with out case, you know what I'm saying?

Like, always, you know what I'm saying? Why you say that, though? Because, bro, like, man, like, you got a bad, like, I had somebody been able to, I got a speech from the period. You, me? So, man, I ain't allowed to, bro. Like, me, person, I don't know. I don't know how to fucking I have. You hear me?

Like, it just happened to go. You feel me? So, so, man, like, it would be on some shit, like, who would ever throw him out of people? would have been a part of this shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, it was always, I don't know, like, it was crazy. So you feel like in the sense people always count you up? Yeah. So did you, all right, did you see yourself being where you at?

Did you always know that you would be in this position? No. What? No, I was just saying, but I took on the flow. I seen, I think it was Art of the Dialog, or you did a podcast, You said if you wasn't doing music, you'd probably be dead or in jail. Yeah, probably so. You really think.

You really think. So the music said your life. Yeah. When did you start actually doing music yourself? Well, like, like, me present, I ain't gonna say it's time I like, top of trying my life. You know what I'm saying? My words. That's valid.

You know what I'm saying? I ain't know a big rapper to give it that jizz. You know what I'm saying? Just boom up this shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But you and. young boy have been around each other since what age?

When did you first get familiar with him? Man. He had been about 12. And you're older than him? Like 12, 11, yeah. How many years? Probably about like four. Okay, so he's 12, you're 16.

And you guys are from the same exact neighborhood and stuff? Like, what's the social overlap? Do you have, like, the same friends and everything? My, bro. I made him. You know what I seen him up in the hood a couple of times. You know what I'm saying? Like he was all always, you know what I'm saying?

I'm a little bad-a- kid, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I used to like him? You know what I'm saying? So, so man, she, fuck, got an older and shit. I started seeing him again. I started seeing him again.

My man, at our brother, I was KD. Or? On the house on Saturday night. And she, man, for him. She made for him, for him since then. and then she was shipping John type. Did he like stand out to you a lot though of like like to me now it just seems so obviously the young boy has this crazy like natural star power where people are just

going to pay attention to whatever he's doing. Did that stand out even when he was like 12? Yeah. I mean you say he was like a bad kid at that time but like was it in a way where he was like grabbing everybody's attention like he was whiling out but like people were just like interested in what he had going on? Man, like he was one of those kids, your own parents will tell you

don't hang, hang, hang. No hang around. Yeah, you know, hang around. Right. So how far as your hood, y'all from the same hood? Your hood called Banks or something like that? What's the name? Yeah, Banks.

And then is that, how far is that from 38th Street? Or is that the same hood? Break that down for us for people who don't know. I ain't ever been in the bad roots. Man, but like, you know, like, Been real small, so, somebody, and somebody, like, I was really proud of, proud about, I didn't know no more than proud of, like, seven, eight minutes from each other. All right, word.

So, all right, so, all right. So how did y'all, I guess, just him hanging around the block. That's how y'all essentially got in tune. So his first rap group with TGB, you wasn't apart, because he said 12, you wasn't a part of that? I don't know, no, no, about that kind of shit, though. All right, word. Because that was like his, so when he first early on rapping, you wasn't, when did you part get a part of the click? And like, all right, I'm going to start rapping with y'all.

Okay. Man, man, like, see, I was one in one, do it first around, like, so on, so much thing I got started, NBA got started. You know what I'm saying? So, all right, because he started rapping initially first underneath TGV. Then I guess he formed NBA. So then you came in when NBA was around. Or you was around from day one? No, no, I was around.

like a run around with NBA. All right, I got you. It's his own thing. So all the groups and the whole history before the NBA name came, that wasn't really something you knew about, but then you came around at the time that he chose the NBA name?

I mean, I mean, that all that is the only know about when in big out form, I was there. For sure. Were you like somebody who was always, like really drawn to being in the streets, or were you, like what kind of kid were you, what were your interests like?

Man, when I wanted to play on football and shit. I try to play football. I try to go to college too. But it ain't work. What position you play in football? I was a dean. All right, so you defense? Yeah.

How long was your football run? She was like two years. I started playing high school. Word. Were you just smoking and having a good time? and having a good time, it was hard to stay focused on practicing and everything? It was like I was playing football for all the wrong reason.

I was playing football. I could skill class, get away with it. I could just do all kind of shit and I could just get away with it. So you said you stopped though, like when you stopped? Like, you usually senior year, like you stopped before you? I started high school, I graduated. All right, so you played your whole high school?

I played my own junior senior. During senior or he said you try to go to college and then and then work out or you dropped out. Yeah, I dropped out. I would go on school with brokerage fuck man. So I hate up. I said my head up. I said my fuck this shit, bro. I'd like me some money. You went to like a university or like a Southern? Southern University. Yeah. Where. How long you, how long you went? How many semesters you did? I did. I did. I did. It's probably about a good, about a good two years. What would you try to major in? Nursing. Nursing. Nursing.

Where how did you, who gave you the idea of like going to school and put that in your head? Especially nursing is like one of the most heavily female fields you can go into, right? Because like, bro, like I'm a nigga, bro. I just live, been around beaches, you hear me. That's what I was hoping you were going to say. So, so, so, man, like, I just had to put in my head, like, man, I got to do something I'm going to do. Yeah. I can see if I'm going to like doing.

So I'm like, man, I go to school, school for him for nursing. Then man, boom, I go back for the doctor. And I said, no matter, we have to be around a bunch of bitches in the cool, I ain't gotta, I ain't gotta be doing no hard work. There's almost no job that could put you around more girls, I really think. And especially spending long hours with them, doing things that are like pretty like intense, you know, trying to save people's lives, keep people healthy, shit like that. Like, I could just imagine that.

You know, it's a different crowd than like the strip club, where it's like, yeah, that's a lot of girls, but it's the kind of girls that are like, you know, they know the game, they know what's going on out here. It's like the nurses, you get the normal women. Yeah. So how was your household, like, growing up? Both parents there, like? My name, bro, so, so, like, at the age nine,

my own papa died, you hear you hear me? And she, and she, you know, it was me, my mama, my papa and my sister always in all together. Where? In my, she, she, my, fuck, mom's, you know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't, I ain't ever had no, no, no, no, they're dead and out there stupid that shit. Like, I ain't like she ain't never bring a nigga around. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, because some people say moms be having multiple men run through the crib, so your mom, it was the opposite of that. Yeah, yeah, for some. So, so. But I ain't a lot, bro. I ain't a lie, man, bro. She, she got a nigga, though. She told me who was her friend. Man, I never forget it.

Oh, dude, bro. Man, this nigga took us to the . Man, what if that shit was? The New Year's shit. Oh, Maddie, bro? No, you said New Year's? Yeah. The ball drop?

The ball drop-down? No, man. The place, place you get the shit from 5-5 work and shit. Oh, yeah, I hear. Man, man, so man, boom. So man, boom. place and shit, you're here. You were the, bro, I go to the place.

I get Buku firecrackers, you know what I'm saying? To my mom buy me, Pooku firecrackers. Sit to my, see my dad alive, damn. I'm getting Bukoo shit, you hear me? Yeah. Man, I go to, I go to a bro. Man, I go to the wheel. Man, this man, give me like $20,000, you hear him, so I'm,

I'm pissed out. You know, I'm pissed out. He said, only $20? Yeah, man, only $20? Yeah. He ain't f*** with me. You know what I? Yeah, yeah.

He ain't like me, you hear me. Man, bro. So, man, boom, I'm mad, I made, I'm a sister mad, yeah. So, man, for some reason, that niggas is being mean. And then I bought some, put that on, nigga, I put your seatbelt on. What about, I'm like, mine, bro, I'm trying to eat my food. And then I'm going to throw her away. So I had been, I got something else.

Man, I get home here, man, I get home here, I get home here, and get the hose pipe, you hear him, I soak the ball down with that bitch. Man, see my mom that nigga, I never talked again. So you put them out there and me, you ran them all. You ran them all. Yeah, when they brought them when they had to go.

So with that being said... I was going to soak the whole pipe. You're really like... Your mom's dating prospects if at some point the guys know that the son is just capable of some crazy shit. It's a little over with my hand.

I don't know. You should cheat to view of mom. So all right, so with that being said, so you didn't really have like a role model, would you say? Yeah. She said, man, I got five on.

I got five uncles. I got nine, T. I'm saying like, like, man, my sheep, I got big-ass family, but like, like, if I was like, like, Rogum out of the dog, Papa. Right. So he influenced you the most to be the man that you are today? Man, but my Papa and my grandma, they had 13 kids together.

And other than 13 kids, they never, they never, like, they never need a shit. Oh, yeah, so they take care everybody. Yeah. Like, man, like, I ain't gonna like to you, bro. Like, I don't know. Like, see, see, like, like, like, see, like, like, Like, like, you know, like, bro, like, as a child, like, I don't know how, how, how, how does she feel the hell, lights off, and the water off, and she ain't gonna lie to you.

Like, I ain't still understanding that shit just till I got older in here, bro, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I got my own bills, you hear ya. So when I got my own bills, you know what I'm saying? Then I got bills and she, what I'm gonna fuck around the GoPro, boom. Man, she wore it all, like, I'm like, I'm like, man, my dad, what you know what the fuck who are what I'm saying? I'm like, man, I'm young, though, you know what I'm saying?

I'm like 20, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So parents made sure you're straight. Mom did, for sure. Yeah, for sure. So it was never a situation where, you know, nothing to eat at night. So, all right, with that being said, when you felt like you jumped off the porch then? Because if you had a household where you never needed anything, when did you feel like

you had to start playing the streets or the streets? Shit was just naturally just being in Baton Rouge or just come in the hand? Man, like, to be honest with you, bro? Like, man, like, I was a cool that nigga, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, I was still a cool that nigger. You know what I'm like, I got niggas down fuck with me.

You know what I'm saying? I don't give a fucking fucking, you know what I'm saying? Like, though, like, man, like, man, like the streets, street changed me, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm saying, like, man, before this two, man, see what I was a cool that dude, bro. Well, you feel like you just had to learn

to be a little bit more of an asshole in order to, like, really survive in the street. in the streets. I don't know if the assholes the right way to say it, but... I'm not saying, like, it wasn't learning, you know what I'm saying? It ain't learning.

It's just natural instant. You know what I'm saying? It's just, we're just being a man. Yeah, there's a lot of, like, survival techniques that you got to pick up to, like, make it in life. You said you grew up around nothing but snakes.

What made you say that? You feel like there was nothing but snakes in your hood? Or... Man, she said, like, man, like, like, Like, man, like, I'm from here, pro. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, man, like, man, like, you put, boy, that, but, you put your ass up. Yeah. You know, I know what I was. You know, you dealt with and to make sure, you know,

niggas wasn't on the back door shit. Like, how did your friend group form or whatever? Like, football, like, the main thing you was kicking that was football homies or whatever? Like, where your friend group come from? I mean, I don't see, man. You got me right here.

Big Big be on down the street. I ordered little on the people. He crossed the street from over there. Our older brother, Kay, you don't say that night. You know what I'm saying? Like, man. So just block shit really from all the part. Yeah.

Do you have a memory in your head that stands out of like when you realize that you were surrounded by snakes? Because now I feel like everybody talks about back door and you know oh I'm a snake I'm I'm a slime you out blah blah blah but like it must have been kind of weird like growing up in an environment like realizing that people were really trying to get one over on you like that I mean with me see she was snake they're easy you know what I'm saying for identifying I'm not saying like you fucking like someone you know what I'm saying like she's like like on four

hours on the table yeah she you man you know what I'm saying right it ain't nobody but But just me and you and these people who are out. So like, just out of the press of character, you will know who got the money. Alright, let me ask you this thing. What do you feel like the most snaky shit that happened to you, like just growing up in your hood? Like, what's some shit that you're like, I can't f*** with my shit? Like, niggas robbing and stealing? Man, real, man, man, man, my nigger stole some of my breath from.

Like a lot of bread. I don't know what I'm saying? A little boobot trap. You know what I'm saying? A little boobot truck. A little torn out of beer. Just enough for you to cut them off a time. It hit different when you got homie still in 20s though, right?

Yeah. Y'all in a situation where niggas is having money, like, why he needs the 20 bet? He can't just ask you for it. Who are broke, bro. Who will f*** up? Yo. You know what I'm a blah.

But, like, like, being broken, like being broken, like being broken for a lot of times. They're ready to show you, like, who the people are. They're really fucking true, the one. They're rid of for you, you know what I'm saying? Because maybe, like, you start blowing up and getting paper and shit, man. Like, everything just start coming fake. But you forget that, like, even when you're broke and even when you're, like,

starting out in life, a lot of people are fake, too. Man, yeah, yeah. They get this face, but, like, like, like, they're being, like, like, like, like, like, go on, do your work time. times of life. Does it really show you the people, I'm just saying like, man, real, man, no, bro. I can't fuck that person. I can't fuck that person. Man, bro, I know how to fucking chew. What, wow, wow. How these people feel like, man, man, man, man, man, but throw me something. You know what I'm saying? Like, it should be fake.

What do you feel like was the hardest part of your life? You said going through, like, you know, difficult times. What one's the most difficult time in your life? Man, I ain't a lot of really good. Like, like, man, like, I come with, like, how come Like, for my good family. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, everybody loves each other. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? So, like, I'm close with, like, my uncles, all my aunties. I'm, like, I know. So, like, man, like, my first auntie, they fuck me, you know. A lot of my dad out of night, they fuck me. Like, death really.

So really death's just losing people? Yeah. Just losing people. It's just, you know, sometimes. And a lot of this stuff was like, Family members, like natural causes. It wasn't like, you know, gang violence or just any, like, shootings or just random shit like that.

Most of the time it's just, like, family members you lost? Yeah, family members, man. I got a cousin, you know what I'm saying? Got killed to him. Yeah. You know what I'm doing? So when I see him, get killed when they really just changed my whole entire life for real.

How old were you when he passed away? Man, I had it been like, I had it been like, man, I had a, I had a, I had a, I had been like, see, on 24. I'm 23, I was 23. And like, yeah, I was 23. Would you say it just made you cold or, like, what, what impact did it have on you mentally losing them? Is it showing me, they, is it showed me their bullets?

Is it just sold me to their bullets because they're killing anybody? Mm. You know what I'm saying? But did that make you want to like try to eventually get out of the hood or get out of the streets? Or did it make you want to get more in there and handle the situation how you felt like it should be handled? Well, shit like like the don't know the time, he got killed. I was shot. I was shot my own self.

Really? You know what I'm saying? So. To a prior situation or you got shot? Well, he got shot. Huh? That was a prior situation like you was already shot. when he was killed or you got shot during when he got shot?

I shouldn't have a shot already. All right, word. So break down the day that you got shot? Like what happened? Like you just walking around and just got hit up? I'm gonna see around. I'm just outside, you know what I'm saying, booed and booing, boo and shit. See, my fuck, I'm gonna'all.

I'm gonna'all if I'm shit, bitch, just flying. See my fuck, see my fuck, I got hit. Where you get hit at? Like, my leg. Where, just like one wound or one, one, one, or? Like multiple shots in the leg, it was just like one shot? Yeah, one. What was the recovery process?

I'm like, how long was that? She's about, like, she's about, like, she's about five months, six months. Yeah. Were you really like, beefing with people at that time, or did this feel more random? Like, was it kind of surprising at that time? Well, like me, per-bril, like, I don't, like,

I don't, like, I don't be, you know, I'm beef, you know what I'm saying. Like, like, like, I don't, like, the beef shit. I don't, I don't know. I don't know shit up. I guess I was just at the wrong place, wrong time. How do you stay out of beef? I feel like everybody would like to stay out of beef, but it's tough.

It's easy, you gotta mind, see your own business. Well, you gotta be able to let a lot of shit go. Yeah. Mind your business. But I feel like, like there's a lot of environments where you can't really not beef. Like, you know, everybody hypes up the prison experience or whatever, but that was like the number one place where

you got to like address any disrespect very forcefully or it'll be bad for you. And it's like, the real world is different, but it is kind of similar. I hear what you said, but I ain't hear what you said. Yeah, I love this guy. Did you learn from that? Did you get shot again? Oh, that was the only time you ever been shot?

Let's see, see if I got shot again. Like I said again. Probably about like two years out on Leo. And where at this time? Like where at her? And, uh, she might, see my same state, Louisiana. No, I'm saying like, where I'm not even bought him? Oh, my arm, my arm back.

Where. How many times you've been, like, hit up? Like, that's two different times. Like, that's the only time you been shot? Yeah. Where? What was the, what was? Is getting shot overrated or underrated?

Do people think it's worse than it really is? Or is it worse than you could ever imagine? I mean, man, you don't want to get shot, but that's it. That's it hurt. I guess it's all about where you get hit too. Like the leg is like overall like a pretty good place to get hit, but then you still said it took you six months. I said which one was worse? Duh, I said both of them, bro, man, like getting shot here.

Yeah. Man, like, man, like in the inside period, bro, like, you don't do one. Yeah, that shit, that shit. What was the recovery process like getting shot in the back? How long was that? I was out the hospital. I stayed in the hospital for about 15 hours. Oh, so you were back out?

Yeah. Pretty good. Yeah. I was considered. So when you're, like, younger in the neighborhood and everything like that, like, when it was the first time you really felt like you had money? Like, were you, like, a hustler type, or, What kind of dude were you at a younger age like that?

Like I always had dogs and like, like, doing bullets and shit, I would like, one of the first people, even was like, like, started, like, start, start, like, doing bullets. So like, man, like, I started selling bullets at a time, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, like, it's good, good, good, good, like talking about the studder over, stutter roller, stutter over. So just, just off bullets? Yeah, off dogs. Oh, all right, bullies, all right, yeah. So you were flipping Frenchies and shit, breeding. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I'm talking about like, like, like, I'm talking about like Frenchers, you know the time was out, but like, they didn't want popular. Yeah. So maybe like that hair's great, like, like, I'll builders. Oh, yeah, so you was early on the, the, the, the bully way flipping them?

How much money do you think ran out flipping all dogs? Is that early on? If you was early on, that was a big also early on, like everybody was looking for the breeders and stuff. So people was running like dog. All right, what was the most expensive dog you sold? The most expensive dog sold. Like on, I had to say about 15,000.

Yeah. 15,000. Is that normal? Sometimes it would be even more than that. But yeah, yeah. Wow. Do you think, like, Michael Vick was fucked up for having the dogs fighting, being part of a dog fighting ring?

Or is that kind of normal where you're from? I mean, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? You got people, got the own game dogs and shit. You know what I'm saying? You know, like, I'm saying. Like, you know, like, I'm fighting with shit.

But I don't like that shit, though. I mean, I remember when that Michael Vick shit was going on and thinking it was crazy and bad, and then I realized that like a ton of people that I knew didn't think it was bad at all. And they thought it was totally normal. Yeah, like, I'm somebody for a little, like, like, like, I like dogs.

I like animals, you know what I'm saying? So, I don't like this shit. Yeah, I mean, I like dogs too, but yeah, I don't think I could be, like, involved in, like, anything that would hurt my dog. I felt terrible every time my dog gets any kind of little injury. Yeah, yeah, I can't do it to my dog, though. You feel like Louisiana gets slept on? Like, y'all got some of the biggest artists in the world, but do you feel like y'all get the credit as a state? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, see, we ain't, we ain't slept on. See everything's going, how's it going. Yeah. Because I've seen you, it looks like you got a song with Juvenile song, right? Because you posted this video. Was that Juvie? Yeah, it's Juven. All right, so how did Juvie can that clap come together?

She, she, um, she, um, I was down though. You mean? She, she, um, my, my own, my own, my own five, call his son. You know, you know, just told his son. I'm trying to get on the video. I see, my film. He took me pull up. Oh, so it's Juvie's song.

You just in the video? Is Juvie song? My song. Oh, it's your song. All right. You're featuring juvenile. That's big. That's good.

Because I've seen, I guess you went to like the No Limit versus cash money. That was in. Where was that at? What I said in New Orleans. Oh, that was in New Orleans. Oh, that was in New Orleans. How far as Baton Rouge from New Orleans? The New Orleans?

Um, an hour. Hour, like hour 30, right? Something like that. Hour, like that. I would travel probably about hour on 20. Yeah. What would you say the key differences between New Orleans and Baton Rouge? Um, I see the accents.

Yeah, it seemed like New Orleans accent a little stronger. Yeah. Would you say that? Yeah, it seemed like the New Orleans accent a little stronger for sure. Yeah, I would ask them. But for the most part, the cities get along, because y'all right down the street. It seemed like.

I mean, I'm gonna say like, you know, like, say, like, I got niggas I fuck with all this, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying, like, see if I got red niggas ever, I got bitch niggas ever. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's just all along with you.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, who you fuck? You know what I'm all? But do you think that like, overall that the community is kind of like because of all the violence and shit? Or is that kind of like just a side note

that doesn't define the whole experience? I mean like, man, there's anywhere though like, like, shit like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you know what I'm saying? But like, though, like, like, like, you know, basically if you mind your own business and you somebody like, like, you got, got shit shit on them, it could be fun. It's a fun, fun place too, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I remember I was talking to somebody on here and they were talking about in their city that when there's like a holiday stroll or any kind of like event or whatever,

that it's kind of sad because you'll see like a lot of moms there with their kids and the dads aren't there. And it's not because the dads are locked up or dead. It's just because the dads don't really necessarily want to go to these kind of events because there's so much beef that dudes be running into each other at something that's like a family event. So they just won't even be popping out to that sort of thing. I mean, I mean, see, I'm going to see my, I'm going to see my,

even sometimes some motherfaholics are going to go, crazy and go on top the roof and just shoot up people in the streets when there's some time sometimes shit just happen and just be freak as some shit. But like the gang shit is more predictable.

Like, you know, they probably are staying home because they actually know that some shit could go now. Whereas, like, a random shooter is like that's actually like unpredictable. Well, I don't know what the fuck you see it right now. All right, all right. Man, we're going to turn it up, man.

Fuck it. I got some hot shit, man. All right, so when did you meet three? When you and three start kicking it? Around the same time. Around the same time, young boy, right? Yeah. So, all right, so he's basically childhood friend.

Yeah. And then, Ben 10, was he around, too? Like, he's one of your childhood friends? All right, for sure, for sure. So how did you feel when we just seen the rumors that, or not the rumors, we just seen that they got booked in, I guess, Houston? What's your thoughts on that?

Because, you know, that's one of your close people. Both of them. I mean, I see Adam, you know what I'm saying? I mean, not Adam, or mom. Man, shit, she fad, fuck. Man, like, where you do certain shit or you live a certain way? Man, fuck, for, just, you know, like,

Yeah, what it is. You know what I'm saying? You talk to them? You talk to them? Or you talk to any of those sense? No. Or that ain't, that ain't, like, a call, usually feel like, niggas would hit your line by now or hit young boy and be like, yo, I'm out.

Or try to get me out, type of shit. Niggas, they ain't got a bond or anything? I don't know, you know what I'm saying? Like, they got a day or money, you know what I'm saying? You know, they, they, they're right? Yeah. Nah, we already know y'all getting money. We was at the money.

the Massa Tour. So we see y'all niggas is getting paper. How do we even feel seeing all the success that young boy is getting? Like, because you can't, we went to the Massetor out here in Los Angeles and that shit was sold out. So, like, even you just being a part of that whole movement, like, how does that make you feel like just seeing, like, all the success that y'all have, like, gained from all these years and selling out all these shows state to state? It feels good. I feel good. Especially after all that buildup, all those years on House of Restaurant, when he couldn't tour.

It's got to feel like a victory of that. Because people was counting y'all out. So, like, now it's like, y'all got to show everybody. Like, y'all showed the world. Like, you know, this is what we on. It seemed like for a minute, y'all was getting blackball, counted out. And then now a young boy, the hottest in the game,

you know, selling out state to state. Y'all going to tour again. I'm pretty sure every show is going to be sold up. N' nigga to six. N'n'a-s-sig-sig-ed-law. Like, you just even seeing you, you proud of the nigga, like, you just, like, you literally just super proud of the nigga, like, because even, like, uh, I heard you say a lot that you don't mind playing

your position. You say you're a tired of niggas shoe. You'll, you open the door. You ain't one of those niggas where, like, you don't care to be the star. Like, you just make sure top straight. And that's the, you know, you feel like, since he put everybody in position, you just play your part. And that's big because a lot of people, you know, if you sign to label, niggas want to be the main star. So, like, you always had a mentality, like, bro, the star, I'm gonna play my part? Or like, did you ever, like, want to turn up and, like, be the next big

person on NBA? Man, real, my real. I got here through him. You feel? So, so, so, my... somebody's, I see my... I just play my... You know what I'm saying?

I see... He ain't playing in no position. But nothing, he ain't anything. She, man, like, they're my brother. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? She, the mother brought out love. What I'm saying?

She did... Where it is? So you just, so you, whatever, so whatever you need, you just with it type of shit. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, because you had those clips going viral where, like, it kind of started like a big debate of you basically saying, like, he's a millionaire. Like, he don't got to open the door. Like, you know, my, basically saying, like, my job as part of the team is to make his

experience as smooth as possible, make sure everything's taken care of, which, honestly, from my perspective, the fact that that was even controversial kind of tells you a lot about why people are all fucked up. Because, like, it's hard for people to wrap their head around the idea of, like, wanting to be part of a bigger operation. Everybody feels like they got to be, like, a one-stop shop, and then you can't be part of a team.

Man, I'm the kind of person, bro, you hear me? Man, like, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, you hear me, like, man, man, like, I may have, have, have, pro, partners who, who, who, who, who, who, who, don't, that's on, that's on, I see the man, I see the main shoes, and I know, my real dog, the man could fall over shoe lace.

Yeah. Bup, but this fud. I'm gonna feel bad. Man, they're my dog, you know what I'm gonna say? Put my dog with you. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna, like, so any of the, you know, like, it's talking about, like,

they're just the kind of nigga I am. To the, to the, to the dog, like, I'm a good nigga, yeah. Man, who was responsible for iron and young boy closed? Because that was one of the big things that went viral. They was like, Youngboy went viral because he was mad and niggas is not ironed. I guess they caught him on a hot mic where he was, like, arguing about his clothes not being armed. And that shit, it was funny, Varo.

But, like, in that sense of, you know, you're saying that you're a team player, you feel like, because a young boy get a lot of flat because they'd be saying that he means to, like, you know, the NBA members and shit. How do you feel about when niggas said that on the law? Man, man, he ain't mean, man. I mean, bro, you read the internet. That's some rumors out there. We're growing-ha-man, bro.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, my nigga ain't mean to this. Yeah. We know he ain't mean to you, nigga. Man, we talk like me. Like, we, like, everybody in men. Yeah.

But what would you thought when you see little shit like that, when you see the little comments and shit? I know y'all don't clear shit up, but I know y'all see it and laugh. You laugh at a little shit like that? Yeah, I just pay that shit. I don't know what I just do that shit. How much are you on the internet?

Like, you seeing shit, or are you kind of removed in a sense? Man, like it all be doing the printer. Because come in a sometime, bro. Come sometime, bro, I might go, bro, like, start, start playing on, start playing my 5-on. And I play this shit all day, all night, took fun that I'm ridded in a 5-on coma.

So I'm just, I'm just like the inscrite with this shit. I'm talking about, I'll get them one, put my tea, with my feet and she wore, but I'm closing, one pound five-h-m-m-. You're talking on the GTA? Yeah. Oh, word. So you're on, all right, word.

So how long are you been doing the 5M shit? That's your server or what? No, you got a server on 5M? Yeah. What's the name? I thought that was the server. It's like the host, they host a whole bunch of servers. Oh, yeah.

What's the name of your server on there? O'Tium. Oh, word. O'Ton Roe, all right. All right, so how long are you been doing that? My, man, bro, I just started, my own, my own, my own, my own, my own, my own, my own, my own boy stuff. He showed how to do the shit and shit.

You know what I'm saying? So I'll be fucking with him on that shit. Are you into like the actual game element? Or is it more like you like hanging out talking to people and shit? Because when I'm watching like videos about GTA role playing, it's making me real. I was like, oh, this is kind of like a video chat type thing

where everybody's just sort of hanging out and like talking to each other. And the fact that they're in a video game is like not really the important part. Man, man, like like like, I like, I like, like, Like, I like playing that bitch, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, it got gang shit on this bitch, you know what I'm saying? You can shoot. You know what I'm saying?

You got to have fun. You talk of bitches. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm just? Yeah. It's just a joke. You ever met a girl on GTA? Huh?

You ever met a girl on GTA? Yeah. And you piped? Man. Man. That's gotta feel good. Nah, nah. No?

Nah, like, I ain't ever linked with one in a person. You got high standards, though? Because I feel like if you were willing to fuck like any old girl, you probably would already hit a girl out of GTA. Man, remember, like, I can't cut up like that. You know what I got a wife, so I can't. Oh, you do? Yeah, I can't cut it like that.

Damn. How long have you been with your girl? I've been known three years. Three years? Yeah. How's, does she ever get upset about the lifestyle on tour and everything? Yeah. You gotta just act like it's all a young boy.

I'm just here. I'm not involved. I'm not talking to no girls. Hella FaceTimes. Man. You can imagine, right? I was just going to flow from. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what you got to say. You got just act like, hey, I got no interest in being here. I don't want to be here. Maybe see a flash. I'll try to frame. like the girls out of Kansas.

Oh, so she'd be going on tour with you? A couple shows. Some shows should pop up. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about the Chicago show getting canceled? Did you want to go to that one? Or you just kind of relieved like, shit, woo.

I don't see no feeling I'm already going to go there, but... Word. They said it was a whole bunch of, like, special stuff that was going to go down that night. I don't know how true it is, but was Mama Duck supposed to be a part of the show? I don't know if you even know. But she said she was supposed to come out and Wooski was supposed to come out. supposed to come out. Is there any truth of that or you don't know? I don't know.

That'll be more a top handling and shit like that. On, even though he, he handled that kind of stuff. Who was bringing out? What guess y'all brought out during the tour? Because I know Offset was performing. He was opening up, right? He was on the actual flyer, yeah. Yeah, so Offset opening up. Like, did you have any guests in, like, random cities y'all was bringing up? Um. Y'all don't really fuck too many rap niggas anymore.

I mean, like, sexy red was that the one in LA? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She came to want. I mean, so, she's, she's her mother-fri-fabber. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna be my nigger.

I don't really. But how are you feeling about just the fans and the cops and everybody acting like the Chicago Day was going to be so controversial, so dangerous? Like, I think to a lot of the fans, they're assuming that y'all are moving in a way where nothing could happen to you.

Like, you're good. every precaution is being taken. I mean, like, man, I don't be kidding about that shit, bro. Man, see my son. I just, man, man, I live life, bro. You're gonna be what to be. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna be, you're gonna see it.

Just go with the flow. Pretty much. So there wasn't no fear on nobody in? Like, yo, this Chicago shit might get, like, wasn't like, less up the security a little bit. And that's how niggas was feeling. Because I was supposed to go to that mud, too. supposed to go to that mug too.

But then I'm getting calls is getting canceled, though. I'm like, damn, last second we was from a fly out and go and it got canceled. But they were saying that it was too much security risk and all type of shit like that. Did you feel it? Did I even go to Chicago? Like, where you're out there and it got canceled or y'all never even got to make it?

When did I make it? Oh, yeah, so y'all probably knew an advance that it was getting canceled. Yeah, we didn't make it. You ever been to Chicago before all this? Yeah. What were you doing? Like a prior show?

No, no, um, the top, top of the video shoot with, uh, uh, they, um, remember I forgot that day, day nine, but they had a video shoot down. Interesting. Who would young boy be doing a video shoot with Chicago? What year was it? Like, way back in the day? I can't remember. I'm probably about 20, uh, I don't know, probably about, so, like, 2019 or something, I don't know. Hmm.

Word, where, where? I wonder if Chad DBT will know. Juice World. But that probably, but was that in Chicago? Probably not. The Bandit video? The Juice World wasn't in. Yeah, that was filmed in Baton Rouge, actually.

Was you around for that? Like, you met Jews around and stuff? Yeah. What you thought about him? But you were a fan of music and stuff? He was cool around. Yeah. I guess that.

he showed a video called AI Nash with Cole Bennett in Chicago in 2020. Is that what you're thinking of? Yeah, there you go. I understand him all right. Makes sense. It wasn't like a song with another rapper. Okay. Interesting.

Did you ever listen at EBK Jabba? He was supposed to be on the tour. And then he got like a Fed case at the last minute. He's pretty much like the hottest L.A. rapper. Not L.A. rapper, California rapper. Yeah, you know, I heard a couple songs, you know what I'm saying, you know what I'm gonna say, son, I'm up in a clue of a shit. That's our pride and joy out here.

That's like our, our ultimate drill rapper. We don't got like drill rap in L.A. or California, but E.BK.J. Bro, that's our guy. Yeah. Unfortunately about his legal situation, but we don't figure it out. Yeah. Definitely. So were you, were you shocked by the success of the tour overall?

was just like mind blown that it got as big as it did? I mean, man, see, man, man, they shit over crazy. What city was the best? Probably St. Louis. Why you feel like that? Like the energy was just different? Yeah. When the whole state went rocking.

What's your favorite city is to, like, travel to? anyway, like what city you rock with the most? When you go on tour and shit, like, what's favorite of the city that you're like, you're like, you're ready to hit this? Man, man, but I forgot all along, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I like saying?

Yeah. So I'm saying, for, I mean, I feel like what I'm doing. Yeah, so you be traveling a lot. Yeah. For most part. So how you feel about, uh, all right, how do you feel about, like, all the controversial stuff that come with y'all in Chicago?

and shit. It feels like ever since everything that happened in Chicago, it seems like just like a cloud over the rap game and everybody forced to pick sides. Do you feel like people have been forced to pick sides in the situation? Because it seems like y'all don't really rock with too many people in a rap game anymore. I mean like, I mean like any picking size is more just on some shit like, you know what what I'm saying? You're on some shit like for, fuck.

And ain't really y'all picking sides. It feel like other niggas picked sides so y'all kind of like treating niggas accordingly. Is that fair to say? I mean, like, like, we don't know these people anyway. But some of y'all, y'all knew some of these niggas, though. I've seen young boy, like from 2016, I've seen him pictures with thug, pitchers with future.

So he was around a lot of these niggas early on. And then I don't know somewhere later on, it seemed like niggas started picking sides and I guess young boy I don't fuck with a lot of niggas. But like, were you around some of these guys early on? Nope. So you ain't never met Future. and never met 21. That was just young boy homies and shit.

Oh, shit, she brought on, you know what I'm a savage. You know what I'm saying? I'm in a home. But everybody else now. You know what I think has had sort of similar career trajectories? It's like Drake was friends with all the rappers, putting on all kinds of rappers, doing songs with any old rapper for a long time. And then the Kendrick situation goes down.

And he ends up feeling like, oh, y'all are fake. Y'all didn't really fuck with me in the first place. Why would I shine my light on people ever again? I'm going to just keep to myself. I'm going to do my thing. And anybody that I fuck is going to be somebody that I really fuck with. And I feel like young boy had the same thing where when the shit went down with Vaughn and all that type of shit that, like, he saw a lot of people in the industry turn on him

over a situation that didn't have anything in doing them. And he just kind of said, all right, fuck. I'm a one-man shop now. I'm not really, like, going to be going out of my way to fuck anybody outside of my direct clip. See, on, I don't know. I don't pay attention to that kind of shit, but I don't know I'll see.

Is there, like, an unwritten rule on tour? You're not supposed to talk about what the Internet's talking about with, buddy? What you mean? I mean, like, I mean, like, if it's on Internet, is I right, talk about. I feel like some rappers, if you try to talk

to them about the thing that's viral right now that's blowing up on Twitter or whatever, they'll look at you like a lame, like this is real life. Like, I don't give a fuck. They're talking about me online saying. Now, Herm, harm get active and he'll get vocal. Because I've seen a few lives where

you know, went back and forth for some of these niggas. So it's just, sometimes you ain't with it, but then sometimes I see you address some of these niggas. But you ain't doing it all the time, though. How do you just, decide, like sometimes some shit it trigger you or you'll just hop on IG.

Because for the most part, you really be chilling. It seems like people say something and you really respond in the shit, but like you don't be starting shit for the most part. So how you select when you're going to speak up? It just be like I don't feel darn time.

Yeah, so Sunday you'll be lit and you're like, all right, fucking let's talk about it. Doeboy and you both went back and forth recently because I don't know what the situation. situation was, but Future and Young Boy used to have, I guess, a friendship, and then I guess Young Boy, when Future album dropped, he said that nigga flop, and he was trolling in Future he saying like the nigger album came and went, and then Doboy got the trolling saying that he was gonna beat Young Boy ass and shit, and then you see it into the chat, and then you

started, you know what I'm saying, going at Doboy. It's Doeboy, you know personally, so like, you won't even know this, this nigga, this just internet shit for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, but you know what I'm saying? That's an internet shit, man. But what about top and future, though? They had a friendship at one point. He must feel a way, like, he must feel like future, like, you know, turned on him, at least for him to be saying, like, or why does he feel like that way towards future from your eyes?

Oh, no, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, see, like, like, like, they're my brother, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I'm on, like, whatever you on, whatever you on? You know? You know what I'm saying? I don't begin to fuck of this shit. What about the thug situation?

I say out of, it seemed like you and thug was around each other. I don't know, but the way, like, the way Pee-Wi Roscoe was talking, it seemed like y'all personally knew each other. Like, you know Peewee at least? Because he was talking like y'all hung out and been around each other and shit. Man, man, man, man, but I never said a dude a day in my life. But Top seen the nigger, I know Top met thug and shit. So, like, you must have just not been around when he was around these things.

So you just was doing your own thing because the way people he was talking on his live, I felt like that was at one point y'all was the least friends somewhat. And then like I guess niggas went their own way. And there's like a famous video of I want to say young boy like 2016, 2015. He had on like a young thug chain and shit from back in the day. So it seemed like him and young, him and thug used to be close. And thug used to co-sign him all the time and shit. So like I don't know where one left.

But I don't know if he was like because niggas was picking like dirt side. So yon top fell back from niggas. but how the way Peevee was talking it seemed like y'all niggas used to be around each other and shit so like you ain't never met the nigga no

then how are you talking so greasy like y'all been friends and shit like man man by sometime sometime where you got a jet for a late nigga talk you know what I'm saying

yeah but I think you didn't you respond you said something to him I think you responded to him and dope boy but other than that I don't really see you to respond to him respond to too many people. Man, when I felt like, like, man, like, I ain't really too much of a good talk for real, you know what I'm saying?

I did. I just let the shit, just be where to be. Can you just move over a little bit more so than the mic will be closer? I'm sorry. I did let the shit too, you know what I'm saying, bro. You know, just be where to be. You feel like it just be rap shit, like internet beef, like shit ain't going to go nowhere. I mean, we can't say that because we didn't see any shit go somewhere.

But like, doughboy saying he's going to stop the fuck out young thug. I mean, uh, NBA young boy, When you see shit like that, you take it serious or you're like, oh, that's just some rap shit. I don't go to me. They're going to take it all right it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But for, like, like, like, like, you know what you're right?

Like, I can't see nobody, nobody broke, and I want to roll. The nigger could just slap. I don't, I don't see it. I'd be having mass security and shit or like you just ain't gonna go in their favor man man man man when you grow on there man another growing there man slept you I'm see crazy it is kind of hard to imagine it is like if that happened a lot of other things will probably happen right away that's that's the part like someone can get one off but then it's gonna be whatever happens after you know what I'm saying but I mean dope boy was just talking

crazy and I'm like what shit he's talking about he's gonna slap you on boy and I'm I'm like, I seen you step in. Said what you said. So I'm like, all right, harm. It seems like he doesn't most with him. Letting nobody just get up on Youngboy. But that's what was funny about that situation is that young boy was talking and doing his thing. Future didn't talk.

Future sent Doboy to go speak on his behalf. Well, we don't even know if you sent him. But at least he did speak on it. You feel like Top is hurt by some of these niggins that he called friends at one point. So that's why sometimes he might speak out because he apologized to offset. And it was like, yo, I got out of character. So why do you think sometimes he might just take to the net and, like, you know, express himself? Because at one point, he probably, you know, either used to look up to these niggas on the music side or shit before he outgrew him.

Or there was actual real friends. Mm-hmm. I just feel like he outgrewed him niggas. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he outgrew those niggas. Yeah, at this point, you feel like he bigger than everybody, right? in your eyes yeah man

it just be a lot of it just be a lot of little back and forth shit like all right so you said you was around 21 Savage and shit back in the day how much like what was the extent of y'all friendship or like shit you know what I'm saying is that

am I out the loop is that relationship still good like are they still cool or did I fall apart at some point I think it fell apart when I look like um you know

I don't know shit, man, but I don't think it's not bad though. 21 seen like a solid nigga. I don't think he, I don't know, I don't, I never seen them go back and forth online, to be fair, or at least I ain't remember. Like, I've heard other people say shit, but I ain't really seen 21 say shit. So it seemed like y'all can fix that, right? It's what, like, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know.

Not even if it ain't no beef shit. Just like, like, fans would like to see, you know, 21 Savage and Youngboy do music and like some of the other artists, you know, like right now, young boy, the odyssey's been. Like, we've seen him do futures like Nikki and The Baby and shit. So like, sometimes they'd be wanting to see him work with some of the other guys that he used to work with. But we obviously ain't gonna see a future song coming anytime soon. So like, maybe 21 Savage and him can piece it up?

I don't know. Or they can get some music, you think they could do music in the future or it's probably out of it? See like, still like me, see like me, like, like, uh, that's a question you gotta ask somebody like, like, like Alex, someone because, uh, could like, like, I'm, cause like, um, I ain't in tune, in tune with, like, with, like, you know what I'm saying, just the, with the stuff and they hear through features with it and people here do songs with and stuff So Todd don't come to you, like when he got, like, say he got an album he working on,

he don't come to you and like, yo, I'm gonna play you these songs, let me know which one you think the artist, like, you got to air from or you just like the engineers and stuff that's right. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Something like, but like the hardest songs, you know, he I'm playing for him. So here, the songs that he'll play for him like, the songs, they hear the hear, they hear to feel like, I don't know, but like,

man, like, we're pressured up. Do you think it's corny that, like, industry, rappers feel the need to, like, basically, like, choose sides and street beefs between, like, you know, if young boy is beefing with another rapper, and then, like, people there in the industry that aren't from the same city that don't really have any kind of street connections feel like they have to

pick a side, and then it does feel like Like some of those people got buyers remorse because now they probably wish they could go to a song young boy and instead they thought that his career was done a couple years ago. See, you got to start bringing down with what he's saying because his is. He'll start having me. Then here they keep going and going and going and going to go on. Okay. You're translated because he's from Mississippi, so you got translated to the down south crowd. Okay.

How you feel about niggins switching up on y'all because of the dirt shit? That's what it basically essentially. Okay. More direct, yeah. Man, man, this is on some shit like, I ain't, I ain't gonna switch it up because like this. Niggas definitely switched up, though. You see it? You seen it?

Like even at one point when I think the baby and the dirt like had words because I guess young boy and the baby was doing a collab and niggas felt like they were supposed to be permission slips, sign and shit for the nigger to do this shit. And the baby was like, nigg I'm gonna just do this shit. I thought with the thing I'm gonna do it. But it seems like, Dirk was applying pressure for y'all niggas to like, like, you be blackballed in the sense type of way. Like, you can, you've seen it.

I feel like the industry scene, people seeing what it was, like, how do y'all feel about certain artists? And did every artist switch up on y'all? Because it seemed like niggas, like, offsetting him still got a friendship. I mean, bro, like, man, like, bro, you can't blackball type, bro.

You know what I'm saying? Like, he's the greatest. Yeah. Like, it's all the blackball. But at one point, did y'all feel like y'all even though he beat everything? And we see, like, the nigga one, he number one right now.

But at one point, he definitely felt like, a nigga, like a couple years ago when Dirk was having his run and he was on top of the world, it probably felt like he was black bowling on niggas. And then now, shit shifted, but... See, like, he won blackball because, like, man, like, he won't blackball because

because he felt like a host of risk. Like, we can't... We can't do this shit. But the thing is, is that normally people get blackball in the music industry and it fucks their whole career up. Young boy's like the one dude who his music was good enough

and his fan base was strong enough that one of the biggest rappers could basically try to blackball him slash try to, you know, ruin his career, and then it just didn't really do anything. And then, didn't remind you, bro, he did the artists in front house.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He had to go here and go to that, like, like, I'm saying? Like his fans, bro, and many jigs. Real, like, they love him. Of course you're gonna say,

uh, young boy, what you think that would have been a good versus? Because young boy said he wanted to go 15 for 15 songs with Future. Hmm. Man. Let's see. See, I'm with top here. Nah, for sure, but all right.

What rappers did you fuck with out of top? Like, at one point, where'd you listen to Future, 21 Savage, any of these niggas? Was you listening to Dirt before? No. Word. No. I listen to that song, I listen to, you know what I'm saying, a couple of

shit. I listen to 21 shit. Yeah. Went on him and the top. Had a song. That other song called Murder. So he mixed. Some more down south music.

Yeah. Who you got, Wayne or Busy? You can't really compare them two. You know what I mean? Wayne the mainstream side, Boosie the street side, but like... It's Wayne. It's so Wayne. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm saying like, I'm saying like... I listen to Wayne shit for different reasons. I listen to Booster shit for different reasons. Yeah. Yeah, no, I feel it. I never got into the... What about Gates and stuff?

Was gay somebody you was listening to? To, um, hit shit too. Gates and Youngboy used to be cool. I think one of them, Young Boy had a Gates had two or Gates had, MBA Young Boy Tedd it? Yep, I remember that. Yeah, they fell out. Ah, you kicked that nigga out the studio one day. What happened?

I don't know what happened. I just remember it's a lot. That's legendary. I just remember an old live video where I think you said, I don't know, y'all probably cool now, but it was a situation in the studio where I guess some shit went left and you, you You said the nigga had to lead the studio and shit, but this was in Baton Rouge. I don't know, I can't think they fall a bit. I ain't know, like, man, my, man, I drink a lot of Syria, too.

Yeah, still? Yeah, I drink a lot of studio. Still at it? Yeah, so I can, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't think, like they're falling back on shit. Yeah. But you don't remember what it was, what the altercation was about? They cool now, though, or you and Gates patched it up now? Like, that's somebody y'all run into?

Because y'all are Louisiana, so I figured y'all be... I'm full with Gates. Yeah. How do you feel about him, like, uh, recreating himself? He kind of got, like, this new energy with him. Like, we've been seeing Gates from the beginning, like, down south of Mississippi. I've been known about Gates since, like, 2006.

So we've seen where he came now, like, you know, Slim Gates. And how do you feel about him, like, rebranding and doing everything? I mean, I mean, shit, shit, shit. I feel like he's just doing the shit that every person, every person should, so what you wanna do. Because the older you get, you gotta kick your body up.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You gotta stay in shit. Yeah, he fell back on the lean, right? He stopped drinking lean, I think, at some point. You feel like you gotta stop at some point? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna stop for it. And then I ain't, I'll be stopping.

I'll be sneaking and geeking. You'd be geeking too? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. See, like, it's just like I was lying and y'all's lying different. I know, but I usually hear a peewee long way. It's talking about sneaking and geeking a lot.

But yeah, this, you know, geeking like technically has a different definition. But you're not hanging that geeky. It's a down-and-tight-shirt. I said, don't know-drews, don't know-drews, like, but do you. We serve when I go. Okay, I said this the other day, and people said I was full of shit. I said that anybody who really does downers, whether it's lean, pills, whatever, they keep something secret to get them back in action if they need to.

Is that true, or do you just go to sleep? I mean, I'm going to see her, like, I mean, she went like, just, just, just fight it. to you go down. Fight to sleep. That's my problem with lean. I was like, I drink lean for like an hour or two and I just want to go bed.

See, like read and true, like, that's the fun part of. Just don't you fight and go to sleep. Yeah. But then you start tooting the Mali. Now it's pretty easy to stay awake, but you're riding a crazy roller coaster

of that up and down. And they're in a Mali. No? No. Man. If I was going to be a lean head, I would be a lean head. slash Molly Head.

Yeah, I ain't ever did, Molly. The only truth never did weed, cereal and pills. I mean, not pills. I don't know. Were you ever worried about why I'd be at a certain point when it came to the drugs? Like, the one picture that he posted

that ended up being really iconic where he was, like, laying on the floor and there's just zans. Like a big cloud of zanz next to him. So, like a lot of people were kind of worried when they seen that. That was a couple years ago. I really, you know what I was saying?

He knows what he doing? What was that? For sure. You smoke cigarettes with him? Yeah. He seems like he loves cigarettes. Like he just buys out the gas station. I mean, she, she, she, she, but, she does, she does like, like, later, though.

For the period couple months and I, he ain't, we don't have a cigarette neither, though. Yeah, didn't he say he's been off everything for, like, six months or something? I think he, he, um, no, it haven't been six months yet. He's trying to make it to six months. but so far he been doing good he he had done no no no neck I mean that's amazing honestly if he could do six months that kind of proves that he ain't really that addicted if you can just stop for six months I mean that's how about how do you talk to

he's every day he's having like phone out there are he in Europe or something like Korea they said yeah why you think he likes being in other countries like that so much because they don't really know them the same way. It could like, you know, like I told the man,

been a house arrest. Unmatched a cigarette. She put the shit with that down there his whole life, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Brick baby, the only other person I know who does that that rips the filter off. How do you feel when niggas be trying to put the narrative out there that young boy out overseas, hot and out and shit? I think I've seen Doobo say that.

Mimo said some shit like that. How you feel about them type of narrative? They feel like, you feel like it's safe. for him to be overseas than him to be in the States. A lot of shit going on out here. Man, I don't know. People talk about Jesus, people talk about Trump, people talk about that. But do you recommend him being overseas, though?

Like, you feel like that's a smarter play? Like, you see all the bullshit that be going on over here in the States, especially with rappers and shit. So, like, do you commend him? Like, hey man, just stay out there, stay out the way, or you want him to come home y'all turn up type shit? Let me fuck, I mean, for me for my, like, get that shit down here. He had toured.

He had tour, man, the man went to Florida, South States. Yeah, man, for, it's the whole world. Yeah. Well, it is crazy because, like, before he got out of house arrest or whatever, we thought that when he got out, that he was going to be outside, that he was going to be pulling up on mad different rappers, that he was going to pull up to people's neighborhoods and shit like that. And he actually kind of did the opposite,

which is that instead of going to all the obvious places to be outside as a rapper, Instead, he was like, no, I'm gonna go to France. I'm gonna go to like all these different countries where realistically like a very small percentage of people are gonna know him. But it seems like he don't really got interest in like being around other rappers and shit. He just wants to be in his own world.

See, like, bro, we ain't, we ain't be from nobody. Why you kicked out of slown? You said, Top said he ain't slown no more. Man, see like really, did you get that shit there? Someone's slav shit going on there. I'm saying that shit that's just, you know. Ain't about nothing, though. Shit ain't about nothing.

Renn. You ain't saying slime no more? I got to stop? Nah, he said Thug got to stop. Oh. Hirm, he's the officiator of sloin now. He told Hirm, told Thug that Tops said he ain't slime no more. I'm saying, but that shit happened and shit. That shit though.

So ain't no comment. So ain't no conversations going on behind the scenes with y'all niggas at all? Like you and thug and all y'all ain't no talking, like piecing it up. It is what it is at this point. Man, I swear, like the, like the, like the rappers. What on the, I can see the rappers I talked to. I talked to Devaver and I talked to the Yevo. Yeah.

So all other than that, you ain't really, there's no relationships with any of these. other niggas. I'd be talking to the German, German, too. So, so offset and top friends, that's not really your friend. That's young boy friend. A fuck, I upset. How to offset and y'all get so close? Because I was actually shocked to see that offset could calm young boy down.

Because usually I'm thinking you're the only person who could calm young boy down. But when I see offset, I talk to young boy and calming down too. So I'm like, all right, it's on chemistry there. I've been around, sick, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying a couple times. Went on. The AD, the, uh,

the, uh, the, the, uh, some of, the song, yeah, I needed. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you know, I was dead for that. And, um, and she, and she made, man besides, she did,

she did, she made for, she for, gambling and shit, you know what I'm saying, gambling and shit, I fuck with, some gambling shit, too.

Yeah, all said, be gambling his ass all. Well, you know, the other day that video came on, the Migos and Young Boy song, and I'm watching it and just thinking like, this video is so weird because you never see Young Boy do like full, polished, high production music videos. You never really see him doing songs with, like, other big rappers.

And that song is like a real example of that, of him and Migos together, and the video is all professionally shot and shit. And, like, it just stood out to me a lot that that's, like, a normal thing. for a rapper to do, but Y.B. has kind of just not put himself in that type of situation over the years. Like he would way rather just do his own thing, being his own world. Translation. Yeah, boy, he ain't fucking with these other niggas, and he isn't his own way right now.

Why you feel like he ain't fucking with these nicks? Like, he just felt like he can't trust these niggas. I mean, I'm see, like, I mean, like, he ain't doing nothing different. for the day. They ain't pinned on. Back in the day, though, we seen, like, back in the day before, like, all the dirt in OTF shit, it seemed like y'all was more, he was linking up with a lot of these niggas at one point at least wanted to be a part of the rap game and be cool with some

these guys. So now it's kind of the different approach where he know, like, niggas probably need him. He don't know what the need niggas for features. So, like, you don't really got to extend his hand. Is it one of those things or, like, he really just felt like, fuck these dudes. The niggas was fake. I mean, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

That the answer is fake, though. You know what I'm saying? So. What you've seen? Did you lie? It's fake. For you to say that. I mean, shit.

I see the same shit. I see saying shit. I see saying shit. Y'all see y'all see. I was saying she's fake. Well, elaborate more. Because I, obviously, like, we see all the shit going with y'all where everybody turn it back from y'all.

So, like. So, like, sometimes. you have labels who assign this person and they know this person, that person don't like each other, and they'll go sign that person and they'll have people on a sign label.

So they're basically... Trying to profit. They're basically just... They're giving these... They basically, like, indulging the bullshit. Well, like... The fans pay attention to the rap crews beefing.

But then what they don't really notice, is that there's labels, sometimes the labels are beefing, and sometimes the labels will not want an artist to, they won't clear a verse for an artist's album, because they don't want the album and do good. They don't want their artist's verse being on the album to let the album do better, which is sometimes it seems kind of crazy

that the labels are that petty too, that they're thinking about shit like that, but they got their own politics, even if the average rap fan can't name an A&R, but there's A&Rs who fucking hate each other and are out here thinking that they're drill rappers and acting like it. Yeah, man, man, that's it.

It's a fake, man. How did you feel about the, little dirt verdict on him being found not guilty? Did you see that? Would you cap up with any of that? I mean, like, at all, like, keeping up with some shit, no, no, I don't want to be in tune

to what I did shit about the people. But scrolling through the IG ground? The big of the judge, you know what I'm saying? I scroll and I scroll and I see the shit. I see the, like, you know what I'm saying? man it's good. You feel my, like, I don't, like, I'm not a conference. I won't see anybody in chill.

You know what I'm saying? I don't want to see that again in chill. Man, it's pretty crazy. Just probably the biggest hip-hop trial of, ever, or of our lives, at least that I can remember. And the fact that he actually beat it is just so crazy. You had, like, the full weight of the feds coming down on him. And then he actually managed to convince the jury that he didn't have nothing to do with it. After they played all these goddamn rap songs,

of him talking about doing it. Pretty insane. I mean, it's just, it's music, I guess. Yeah. Did you know, uh, I know you know Kondo, and what's your relationship like with, uh, Little Tim?

My, no. My dad. Yeah, I think I seen somewhere you said, like, uh, Quando and Young Boy be more busy, so you and, you and Tim actually get the kick in the thugging world while they all doing their rap shit in a sense.

It's like, they're the more important people. I think you said that on an art of a lot of interview or something. So you and Tim are closer then, what you and Quando would be? I mean, like I want to say closer, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, you know, like I put both on the same level. Yeah. But me, me, me, me, the time, you know what I'm saying?

Spent more time. Yeah. How do you feel about, you know, the world kind of like changing or turning their back on Quando after the situation when King Bong? Because like, a lot of people feel like, you know, little Tim did what he was supposed to do as in protect his homie, but then again it came with a whole bunch of shit. So like in that situation, just on the outside looking in, because you're not really part of it, but like what was your thoughts on like everybody like turning against Kwondo and essentially

all y'all based on that? You feel like Tim did with any real nigga was supposed to do, right? Yeah, yeah, but shit, oh, but shit, oh, man, I'm saying, fuck. Man, I might feel like Kondo still tall, throughout the whole through all the bullshit. He still tall. He can't flash out, he can go crazy. He ain't,

he didn't let him do a shit, shit. You get out of him crazy and that, you know what I'm saying? So it was like to do the whole shit. He's still tall. Yeah. I mean, the fact that you don't even have like a Kondo quote from the whole

Dirk trial, that shows a lot of restraint. I'll be tweeting every day. I mean, And, you know what I'm saying? So, like, like, I don't know, but like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're just different, you know what I'm saying? I will say, like, we're different.

We know, like, they're clouted that shit, they're trodra pussy that shit. All right, so I will say this, like, during the old time, Kondo, I think he out, right? You talked to Kondo since he's been home? I think he's in a halfway house or something, but he's home, right? Yeah. You talked to him? Yeah. So this could have been, like, this could have been the time where Quando could have dropped

music. He could have made statements on Instagram, trolled it. Could we see in a lot of trolling on the opposite side. But nobody on y'all side trolled the situation, try to capitalize off the situation. So when you say y'all different, that's what you mean in that sense. Like, because they don't seem like y'all really, nobody really chasing it over there. Like, y'all just going to drop when y' y'all drop. Y'all gonna move.

How ya move. It's different, bro. Like, man, like, man, like, don't get wrong. I'm not, even though, man, like, even though bitch that niggas did, you know what I'm saying, saying, went on top, was in jail, though, you know what I'm saying, told him about a man jail, man, like, like, told him about somebody going to jail, but they're just some pussy-haired shit. So, like, so, like, why I try to gang a knoll for a nigga on to jail this shit? You know what I'm saying?

Like, man, like trying about to lose their faith father, you know what I'm saying? And it ain't in the time, time with no clothe's shit. Yeah. Which even though I don't get a fuck about that shit, though, you know what I'm saying? Black, though, like, I don't care of a person, black, white, Mexican, Chinese, Asian. I don't want to see the back go to the jail. It did feel like there was like a change of heart or like a maturity thing that happened, though, because Young Boy and Cuando make a whole mixtape where they take a bunch of different shots

at Obloch and Vaughn and everything back then, and it wasn't supposed to come out. It comes out. YB trips out about it. He's pissed that it came out. because I think he, after he made those songs, like ended up deciding that he didn't really want to put that energy out into the world. And then since then, you ain't really heard them antagonize the situation. They kind of left it alone,

even though it would be so easy, obviously, to troll and make jokes and everything like that. But young boy and Kwanto both seem like they kind of decided that it wasn't worth it to talk shit and use that situation for clout. I'll tell you, Clout. we know that shit yeah or niggas gonna be set the o tf niggas pressure so niggas ain't saying it because of that

and they ain't know shit like that because we finding out through this case we starting to see like I guess OTF niggas was going to Savannah and doing a whole bunch of shit according to what the court documents and shit was saying we didn't know all that shit was going on so we seen like oh so niggas really did have it out

so when you've seen and catching a little shit some of that shit all right a lot of this shit you just found out through like Instagram McCourt and seeing the news and shit too, right? Like a lot of that shit you didn't even know. Man, man, man. I just found out just know. Yeah.

Like all that shit, you were just like watching it as it like, finding out. Because even the main thing, huh? I said, damn, the bull doing all that. Yeah, right? Because like the main thing that tripped me out was seeing how desperate there was the gig, Kwondo, like when you, you know,

when you're seeing how many times there was outside and shit and then I talked to Kwanah before and for my my conversation with him I can even tell that he probably didn't even know it was that much pressure while he was in LA so it's just like now y'all seeing it for y'allself and kind of figuring out as it goes too because I you know what I'm saying they were saying they were stalking out stalking him outside of a hotel outside of a dispensary so it's just like when you see shit like that does that make you even like we got to move differently or it's just like it is what it is type of shit I mean, shit like, I'm gonna share like, besides, besides, get that shit, man, like, bro, you gotta move right, you gotta just move right anyway.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, I don't matter what, am, about who you with, where you at, you gotta always just move right. Nah, but for sure, niggas is always gonna say that, but this time you're learning about niggas trying to get one of your men's and you seeing the effort that was took or, you know what I'm saying? Like, the effort of niggas trying to, like, find loads and shit that make you, like, you know, Of course you're gonna move how you move, but like, do niggas tighten up? It'd be those type of conversations. I mean, like, man, like, see, like,

that kind of stuff, it ain't nothing to talk about. It's just all about, so, so I'm gonna talk about. Yeah. But like, if I read court documents that basically detailed somebody like stalking me and like making multiple attempts on my life, I just feel like that would fuck me up.

so bad to like realize like that somebody was doing this like it would just make me feel so uneasy after that. But same time on the internet I always say shit. They don't want to and they were trying to push you together that ain't true. But it's the fed saying that. So it's really under turning how that shit went. But this time is the fed's actually saying it and then like dirt didn't get found guilty but the mother niggas did like shit jam told it all.

So like that nigga he told what he did like how he was out there to stalk. Did you, you heard the nigger OTF Jam? Like, did you see any little shit that he was snitching about? Man, man, bro, I've been seeing, seeing the, um, my own thing and shit, my own, my on time line and shit. Like, like, four-a-s-hs, just going, re-reading into that nigga, no. Yeah. No, but, like, I've been seeing shit pop up about this and that, just and that, and that.

And, you know, like, then that's fucked up. I'm gonna say, you gotta be, you gotta be, you gotta be. pick pick your own friend that nigga did bad that nigga snitching he's still going to jail the nigga off like he did all that telling

because they called him with a pipe and then he sent him a note and just told him that he know about a bunch of bodies like they didn't even have him on bodies they just had them on a gun charge he would have been four or five years

and the nigga handed him a note saying I know about bodies and now he's facing all this shit and now he's facing like maybe 30 years 20 years even after all that telling like whereas the gun charge would have been like three

I mean, shit, man, shit. Man, shit, he told for, on this batter. What I was in? I said, yeah. That's a bad criminal, though, just in general. Like, just do the gun charge, right? I mean, they might have caught your ass eventually anyway, but.

But a gun charge versus what you telling these people you did is crazy. What type of nigga is that? Ain't no NBA gems around y'all, is it? NBA. I said, no. I said, no. I was sick clean. You ain't never had like a nigger told that y'all used to be around.

Like, you know, because everybody got, you know, everybody who got a nigga that don't win bad. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, like, like, people, people that, like, they, like, I've been through, like, the whole kind of experience with. Yeah. It was before M-B-B-A and shit. Right, right. Like these people that I've been on, like, and shit.

Then I found out, then I found out, then I found out, find out, find out, find out, a nigga tell me. And he just fucking my head up, you know what I'm saying. Because, like, a bunch of times you'll see people now, nowadays, who have been a dead 10 years, came home, went back for eight years, came home, been, been went, did another, a whole, another nine years. Yeah. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

you all, you know, saying, you all just took, took his time. So, so, so man, like, you will start, you'll start, you're, with those kind of dudes, you know what I'm saying, he, he's, he's solid a nigger. But the whole time, this nigger in his head, he ain't got it, no, no, no more time, time ain't him do. See, it sound like you been keeping me keeping me. know a little bit with the case because the OTF jam nigga, he kind of, you kind of explain that's the type of nigga he was.

He did like a 10 year at bid. Got out. I think he did like another five year a bid. So he spent 10, 15 years in there. And then he, this little shit, this shit come up. He ain't ready to do no more time. He told him people, he said, he called dirt phones home on some dirt. He was to do.

So you see, that's different because he was, he, he, he was, by you telling me, but you telling me that man, I didn't talk about. about murders and shit, he ain't had to. Apparently, he, let me see, like, like, man for a dude wanting to do time. Nah, but also, he thought he was going to be able to get exonerated. I don't know what he thought, like, because getting his honorerator from murder is crazy, but he just leaked phone calls where he was telling niggas, like, I'm going to snitch and do all this shit, and I'm going to be digging at 6'9.

You see how much money they offered him? So it seemed like he had a plan, like, yo, I'm going to take out this nigga dirt, and I'm going to come home big and start doing interviews and shit like that. Everything about Jam just makes me feel like, wow, this is the dumbest motherfucker. Like the same type of dude that would just be a send-off and just go do whatever murders somebody told him to do is the same type of guy that would think that you're going to be as rich as 6'9 off of making a YouTube channel or some shit. Like, what the fuck is he fucking? That's the problem. But the same dude who is loyal enough to you to go kill people for you is also the same dude that is so social.

stupid that he'll make all these other bad decisions afterwards. That's the problem, bro. That's why you can't be doing that shit. I just different around that kind of shit. You know what I'm saying? For sure. Because like, like, to, like, on the river, like, it's really, like, easy to tell, to tell, like, if a nigg was going to fold or not,

just off their character, kind of person, yeah. The thing is, though, a lot of them OTF niggins, they didn't see that for Jam. Like, they thought he was the most. solid nigga ever. So like, I interviewed a lot of the niggas that knew him. And before the snitch and shit came out, every one of them was like, man, that's not jam. He'll never snitch. He didn't come to find out. The nigger that they thought was so solid this whole time, it ended up being the biggest snitch. So it was like, I guess he didn't have enough more time to doing him, like how you were saying. It's crazy though, because like, that niggil told him he's going to be

big in the six-nine after snitching. I'm like, man, there's no way. Because, like, you know what I'm saying? Like those kind of things, like, to like, find out about people and seeing people. Like, like, like a talent for real. Yo. Yeah. You know what I'm gonna stay solid? It's a talent.

I'm fucking. I'm saying. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it got a nigga got the eye for it. And it got some some niggas will be blind. So you ain't never had a nigger go bad on you that you, you ain't expect the nigga to go bad? Because sometimes a nigger hurt you and do some shit, and you're like, this was my dog, but the nigger went bad.

Man, see, I don't, see, like, I don't be doing shit for, like, a nigga to tell on me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? How many, uh, how many times you've been to jail? Or what's the longer jail bid you did anyway? Uh, I know it did, no, no, no, hard, hard time, you know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't no, a felon. I mean, that, I mean, shit.

But then you get booked for a tent or they try to book you for a murder like when you was younger. Yeah. Explain what you can from that scenario. When are you like 20 or something like that? I was 22. All right, word. No, no, yeah, yeah, I was 22. Yeah, so just break down what you can from that situation when you was younger.

I'm like, that day and then when you got went to jail and shit like that. Man. Man, I don't know. I don't know, God. I can't really remember me. How long you end up doing? So you end up beating it, but like how long you was in there before you got out? I made bun. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, it was a $300,000 a lot of bun. I sat in jail, I sat in jail for, for, for, for, like, two weeks.

This is kind of like right around when young boys blowing up? Uh-uh, before all that. Oh, it was before, okay. So this before the Frenchies. Yeah. So you still having paper to buy yourself out and shit at that time, though? Yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, like me. She said to my mama, some of my people. Pull the door on. All put it up. And came down me. But. Was that one of the hardest times of your life or you already knew it was like you was going to beat it? But like, was there a chance that you scared?

Like, it's at the end of the day, these people could say whatever. I mean, I'm not, man. Like, I mean, like, I was young. So, man, so man, but I really didn't give a fuck because you, like. You were, more on some hot shit, young shit back then. Man, but young people came and picked up the wrong person, bro. I keep telling them, man, I don't know what y'all talking about, bro. Yeah.

But where they came and picked you up from? Like, you're chilling and you just get sworn? Like. Man, man, see. Right, if you put a mall house. Oh, damn. I know you remember that your folks in there too like they in there or you like this a dolo career

I'm on moms I know Papa to my sister my nieces yeah so call everybody by like surprise like they're not even expecting this type of shit or they kind of wasn't like surprise yeah surprise them

Did you change your life that day and decide, you know what? I'm gonna stop shutting shit down out here. I gotta stop with all this tomfoolery. I gotta change. I ain't never do nobody in that. Like, man, those people came, can't, got the wrong person. Okay, you know what I'm saying? Like, man, I don't do nobody then.

I ain't, you know what I mean? I ain't, see, I be chilling. I ain't violent. Yeah. But at that time, that's still just a scary thing to be fighting, though. Who held you down the most during those times? She, my mama, my sister. So when did you and Top Bond get closer?

Because y'all, y'all like this. So when you feel like y'all really became, like, super, super close? Man, like, when, like, when, like, he was a house arrest. And she, man, she, man, man, she felt like, by him and the house of risk, it was like, it was like, I was on a house of risk too. This recent time? Like, I just stayed with him the whole time.

In Utah. In Utah. Well, we'll see, the House of Ritz and Gonzalez, it were different from the one in Utah to the one. And Gonzalez, I was actually, like, standing and standing with him, you know what I'm saying? Like, I, so the house was so fucking big, bro. The friend, the friend,

house was his, you know what I'm saying, big house. Then like in the back, they had a small house too. Yeah. What I'm saying, saying? Some of fire pressure and shit, you know what I'm saying? I got a room, wrong, shit, upstairs. I'm saying, like in my own house, though, you know what I'm saying? I got the room living room and shit, you know what I'm saying?

Like, be prussia. So some man, like, shit, like, I always just, I mean, shit, and I just, I just stayed with him. Was it, because I remember I was talking to somebody who works with a young boy, And they said that part of the reason why house arrest sucks so bad for him was because he wasn't allowed to have anybody come through that was a felon. And so that's like a huge percentage of his homies from back in the day and shit. So as a result, like, he didn't, like, a lot of the people that he would want to hang out with, he, like, basically wasn't allowed to.

Yeah. But you're not a felon? Uh-uh. I just told you to it. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that's why it's kind of convenient. What was your thoughts on Mimo? Because Mimo was somebody that recently from all the 6'9 and little dirt trial shit, his name been ringing.

Y'all been having gone, y'all been going back and forth a little bit. Y'all talk on the phone a little bit or that's just all internet shit? I don't know. My own, my own fucking man. My home is talk to their dude, you know what I'm saying? Like it's, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying like, it's a difference between, between trolling and dick rat. You know what I'm saying?

Man, you know, like trolling, trolling, you know what I'm gonna say? They say, well, what I'm gonna say? But you just constantly, just all with the dick riding, you know what I'm doing? So like, so that kind of shit done, it just blew me for a minute. And then I realize to myself that I'm really tripping with a child. You told him he got to stop bragging about dead niggas that he ain't have nothing to do with. You feel like, uh, memo be trolling too much. be trolling too much.

You know, I don't, I don't prepare, prepare, say, still like, man, man, man, like sometimes with our fans are just seeing me boo-cool, book, book, cool, book, shit to the point, like, like, I ain't got no choice. But to see it, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You might not be looking for it, but they're gonna send it to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, every time it's always some pussy-ass shit, I'm like, man, that shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, man, man, like, dude, dude, be. Man, man, like, man, like, don't troll, bro. Don't trouble, don't trouble if you broke out you. Nah, Mimo ain't broke. You think Mimo broke? I mean, I didn't see, man. I told him, I told him a little shit and I can't see it, so I don't know. I did you see you up to $100,000?

I seen the video, Shay. I always got $100,000 on you somewhere. I thought he was about to pull out of him. 100,000. Oh. Nah, bro. Nah, bro. Nah, he upped a hundred thousand.

So that was a challenge you told him up a hundred times. Shit, you challenged Jack Boy to up 10,000. Remember that? No, no. See, like, that's shit that back then. Well, like, what was a time that I would tell you about, about top, to top being in jail. Oh, so he was one of the niggas.

It was about to rent a jail. And when he was in jail, like, a nigger was just happy was in jail. Like, the niggas said, I was kinda push that shit what a man in jail. So, like, during the time, I would getting on, I was getting on, man, so many niggas at you hear me. So, dude, she just got caught up in, up in some shit,

you know what I'm saying? But shit, like, like, you know, like, I was just feeling like fuck it about him out of me. I ain't gonna laugh. Like, fuck out of a nigga. Where the Jack Boy situation come from, though? Why would he be happy that Top and Jit? I don't know, bro.

Really, like anything puts a bro, I can't break it down to you. I can't make it to you. Yeah. I don't know how because somebody feels like that feels. Alright, so top beef with all these rappers though. So at one point, Wendell would not be all these rappers and sometimes is it top? Is he doing shit for these niggas be beefing on him? beef on him.

He fucking these niggas. What type of doing for niggas to be into it with everybody? Because I'll tell you, I'm gonna keep it real. Zhu told me that young boy and Vaughnbee started over a chick. They both was fucking the same bitches. So how much do you feel like young boy fucking these niggles take a part of him beefing with these niggas? I mean, shit, like I told you earlier, my internet would be saying, like all kind of shit. Like all kind of shit, that ain't true.

You know what I'm saying? Like, man, like the business, I ain't, I ain't know, no, no, him and a dude had, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, he's going on. You're talking about, you. You didn't know him and Vaughn was beefing? How did you find out about that beef? I ain't, I, I ain't, I ain't know what to do it. He ain't never to tell me about it. But you ain't ever seen Vaughn sneak dissing and shit?

Like, there's like a famous video where he like, man, wow a young boy rapping like that. And then he, like, he got Cap in his rap. You didn't see like none of those clips that kind of like, the fans ain't send you nothing. They'd be like, yo, this nigga sneak dishing. So y'all could kind of like know like, all right, what's all the dude? I mean, that ain't nothing to be, you know what I'm saying? Like on people about. It slowly start because, like, I've seen messages or I heard that, and I think I've seen some shit too.

But Youngboy was mad that Vaughn was fucking one of his souls. And I want to say the chick name allegedly C-blue or whatever. But Young boy had the messages I see him. I see a young boy text Vaughn on some hot shit. Like, then when I see you, I'm gonna do that, blah, blah, blah. And they was like texting back and forth, but it's all over a bitch, tight shit. Yeah, remember Vaughn had all those, like,

professionally shot photos with her and shit. And then, um, it was a point of time too. And still, still, um, they be going on now. Man, like, they got this fake number and this fake page, and they write, they write and talk to all these people. And people be thinking, it's just, I know. Yeah.

This one I'm talking about for show him though, because this is Nicky, this is zoo. And if you know Zoo, Zoo was Vaughn and Dirk, best friends. And this nigga personally told me. This number in this page, this number and this, man, Toplamma takes, bro. Vonn even said though that him and, uh, Vaughn admitted that him and, uh, top got the same interests and holes.

So like, even Vaughn put that out there, like, they might be fucking on the same thing and shit. Man, I'm not, I'm not, I don't know. You just wasn't aware of what was going on. I don't know about shit about the kind of shit shit, you know what I'm Yeah. Tupai got a famous line where he said, uh, when bitches getting horny niggas die. And I feel like that line stood out and actually like stood the test of time because a lot

of beefs in hip hop be over women and stuff. Do you agree like a lot of women could shake up shit and alter out, people, you know, move? I mean, I mean, but you can't really, you can't really say that because she might be made for people that that's all kind of reason yeah yeah but a lot of this shit seemed like it's over some females will talk at least from what I hear and see on the internet and shit but I don't know but that you don't see it like that because like you even said you didn't know the niggas was beefing yeah so you think quando knew them niggas was beefing because if you didn't know because when I don't think quando it would be standing outside that car if he knew

30 chicago niggas was walking up on him and he had smoke so At that time, you believe Cuano probably wasn't even beef with them niggas too, right? There wasn't no beef. Yeah. He definitely didn't think it was like that. He didn't think it was an immediate threat. I want no beef. It was just on cloud chasing shit.

Why you say cloud chasing and shit? Because I don't think Vaughn did it on no clout. Vaughn wanted a fight and it turned where it turned. But it wasn't like Vaughn was trying to fight him on camera and make it a clout thing. Like, shit. If anything, they would have gotten a fight. we would never even heard about it or we probably would have heard about it but it wasn't like a nigger was filming walking up on him or anything I don't know I just I don't know I just highlight Kondo though where how's his spirits and shit

he'd be on 2k a lot yeah I'll be seeing him on uh 2k uh then what I was going to say uh you play madden a lot I seen you say you'd be playing Madden a lot, right? You said you put belt on matter. Yeah, I'm pressing. That's your fair game? 5-0. R.P. Also, yeah, GTS. I know you went for GTA 6, man.

Yeah, yeah. Is that going to change the world? Well, like, I don't know if it's going to be the same as 5-L. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I got a play to see. So you got a whole PC setup, gaming setup?

Like, you Xbox or PS-F-Far? Yeah. My PS5, but I got PC2 though. I got Xbox 2. Young boy, y'all need to make the NBA server for Florida. Y'all should have go crazy. My, my, bro, hold on. It got one.

I just never put it up yet. But it's coming? Like, it's coming? Yeah. It's the same name? You said OTM, right? Or you got something new coming? Yeah, yeah.

I'm gonna do it over. Young boy plays video games or not? Yeah, play mad. Play mad, Caldula. How often is, like, young boy on his phone and shit? Like, how often is he, like, you not tapped into a lot of shit going on, so he, he's fully removed. Like, he got his phone on him at all times. Like, he called him, he picking up.

Or, like, you might have to, he hit you back a couple days later, like, and tight shit. Man, bro, like, to be on who you, bro. And, like, and, like, really, like, lately, we, even doing this, don't pay a couple years. years. I might have the Instagram app on his phone probably three months out of you. And in them to three months when they probably spread it out.

Yeah, why is that? We see young boy come on Instagram, say some shit, deactivate the Instagram or he'll be on, like, one of his side pages saying shit. How come you always on and off Instagram? Is that a mental thing? He ain't got no side page.

He ain't going to talk shit from a fake page. And not even a fake page. It's like a page he own, but it's like, Young Boy LLC or some shit and then it'll be common. So that's not him underneath there, somebody on his team. Yeah.

So every time we see Young Boys, when he's reactivating this page, that's the only time we've seen him coming. Yeah. Where? Well, I don't even the thing on. He run his page. Yeah.

Also, somebody helped run in it for him. But isn't a mental thing? Like, is he doing that just a, you know, Instagram, too much social media, commensely fuck you up so like see staying removed just to stay clear-headed or why do you think he takes so many breaks from social media yeah i don't like it my mouthful is much to be lying on people that again people hurt be hurting people feeling us like that's it evil yeah you feel like you feel like you feel like social media is evil yeah it's like pretty easy to sit around

checking your phone all day but i feel like if you want to be a great artist that's not really like the energy that you need. You gotta have some kind of separation between you and the same algorithmic feed that everybody else is looking at. That's why his own, his own, his own music different. That's why his own music different from everyone. And that's why his, so says it different too.

Can he do it, everybody's all right to do. Yeah, but I don't put on earth ground. You know what I shit. He said, you know what I'm saying? That my boat. What's your fair young boy song? Huh? What's your fair young boy song?

Man, right. Right now, they're on calling, calling from a Rio. I like, did it, uh, did, uh, I ain't hurt at all,

at all, on my soul, at all, at all, at all. They're the same at my pan girl, right around with my bro. Dip his deal.

Uh, thrash her. Man, man, man, bro, like, like, man, bro, it's a bunch of them, bitch, a man, some, some old shit, too. Like, like... Where you got shot the shot calling video, what? I ain't gonna lie. Man, man, it's so many songs, real, shot calling him, one, my, my own, song, song, too, I play, play every day.

Yeah, come on, that's one of the ones. That's one of my favorite. You know what I'm saying? And shit, man, like... Like, like, like his own pain, pain music, be my own favorite, really. Yeah. So then what album would you say, like, everybody listening, what's your favorite young boy album overall?

Because you got a whole bunch of albums. Which one hit the hardest? Um, that's, that's hard, you know what I'm saying, cover it, like, like, every album, you You got this shit on the, the- Give us one, man. What's his car to three? What'd you feel like his main one? You had to just give us one.

He said, who? Like, what's his like Carter? You know how Wayne got the Carter three, like everybody known for that? Like, what you feel like, Young Boy main album is? Like, if you had to tell a fan about young boy, which one would you tell him to listen to?

Man, like, man, like, it got hard too, because like you got to think about, The old shit too, like like Jeannie, and all the shit too. There's a hundred million views too. So like, man, like, it's just so. Take the numbers out of it. Which one mean the most to you or like impact you or you feel the music the most?

Man. He had, did, uh, that, man, man, man, man, man, that's just so crazy, bro. The song actually, like, like, that's my favorite song, to, like, to, like, to, like, to, like, go to him. I'm just real going to do some fuck this shit. Mm-hmm. I'm saying, say, I go play the song and shit, you everyone with a while. Smoke, smoking shit, you all right? Yeah, uh, did that shit, uh, I tried.

Mm. That's your main one. Out of everyone, everyone, you feel like, like, that's therapy. You know what I'm saying?

Like, the, the, uh, the, the, the, the,

the other one, the, the, the, a motherfucking, there's a war. That one, you know.

See, uh, like, like, like, like, like, each song,

he's on, get different on a situation that you got going on. Yeah. Like he got songs, songs called, like, like, good dope. The man, bro, bro, bro, bro, like a vibe to, you know what I'm saying, a vibe to, right to, you know what I'm saying? And I'm thinking to this bitch here, I'm just all about the mode, but like he got song for like every mode.

No, I feel that for sure he do. Oh, who would you put on, uh, Who would you put on Louisiana, Mount Rushmore? If you get four rappers, the best four rappers that came out of Louisiana all time. See, my head. Y'all got, y'all stack. You say out of, you get four of Mount Rushmore, Louisiana. Slice to that.

So that mind different, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, give me yours. I want to want to who. What you put on there? Man, bro, I have put on top of that bitch. I put boots. I put on, I put on, soldier's slow. You get one more.

Let me see, see, see, see, I'm going to go on Wayne. Yeah, you gotta go win, man, right? Yeah, I'm going to go in. You got cash money on no limit. When you see, see, when I can. See, you gotta go cash money, right? Yeah, care. Yeah, you got to catch one.

All right. So look. We got to do the Ben-Tend thing. That's why I was literally getting into that. So, all right. I was supposed to do an interview, well, we were supposed to do an interview with Ben-10 and Houston when we used to come up with you out there, right?

We never ended up going out there. Yeah. But one last time you talked, Assene, man. See who? NBA at Ben-10. Oh, oh, man. Man, she don't, she don't, I talk to him. A couple times.

Yeah. But you don't like, you ain't even really seen him in a minute? Man, she, she, you know, like, you know what I'm saying, saying, saying, like. Did you go visiting her in the hospital? Yeah, sure.

Where? But she's here, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I stay out of town and shit. Yeah. I'm saying, so. Whenever you fly into Texas, whatever you go over. Yeah.

How do you, how do you feel like what everyone's saying that he's paralyzed? and he hasn't really cleared it up. Because, like, we've seen him wiggle in his toes and stuff, and he's been saying that he's going to be walking again soon. I mean, like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know.

Man, I need some fucking water right with me. For the shit, shit, gone, going down the room. Oh, you don't want to use the joint. Yeah, man. We can just edit this up. I don't see it all for the most part, don't you know. He could, though, bro. He'll be scraped.

He's going to do therapy. to help learn the walk and stuff. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess Jill is going to slow that process up, right? Or until he get bonded up. But it seemed like he was progressing, though, like, because at first, like, people was counting him out all the way, but, like, you see him wiggling his toes and all the type of shit like that.

So it looked like he eventually, right? I mean, you see, but he'll walk again. He's got it. He got it, bro. Did it hurt you when you seen, like, what transpired on the internet? Like, do you even know All-Star? Like, that's somebody you ever met? I don't know that, too.

I interviewed him back in the day. I interviewed him back in the day. Yeah, y'all, I don't know. See, the internet tried to make it seem like Jay Prince just sent some NBA young. It seemed like the internet was basically wrong with the narrative that Jay Prince sent some NBA niggas off. Jay Prince Jr. Yeah, Jay Prince Jr. sent some NBA niggas off because he was fucking all. All-Star shit.

And I guess they were running around with them. And that's how the internet portrayed it is like, damn. Like, why to fuck? Jay Prince Jr. is just sending these niggas off. And how do you feel about that narrative and shit? Like, what's their relationship? I don't know that dude.

And I don't know. Why did you deal with him? I don't know. Yeah. So you don't even know why NBA Ben 10 was even with them? I don't know. Because I'm glad you. said that because I was shocked when I seen him with each other too because I remember there's

an old video and this is jazz prince the main the oh ed he had I guess young boy got robbed in Houston or whatever got robbed you know you know not robbed but niggas stole some shit from like it wasn't that ain't still no no but a fucking key some keys or whatever but it wasn't like niggas came and robbed him personally but some shit got stolen from young boy but the thing that that really highlighted it was how he put it out there so jazz prince did a video where he kind of, uh, with Jay Prince of the video, where he was like, uh, young boy, I got your key fobs. I got your umbrellas.

If you need all this stuff, come tapping with me, I'll get your shit back. But the thing that people respecting and started seeing that young boy a different type nigga, because for some reason everybody's scared it, you know, it seemed like mob tubs and run Texas and all that shit. And for some reason, it seemed like young boy wasn't going for that shit. So he said, fuck y'all, that shit.

Anybody who helped me, I don't need no help like that. Like, he basically, like, he was upset that the nigger to the internet with that shit. How did you feel about that situation? You feel like that was overstepping or doing too much? I just feel like, I just feel like some internet shit. Y'all never had a conversation. You know what I'm saying?

He could have called it from. Yeah, right? I feel like it was a little too much, like to put it on the internet and be like to tell everybody like, yo, I'm returning your stuff. How often is that going on? Because like in L.A., that happens a lot. It seemed like Houston, in the only other area down south

where it seemed like this on light. But making the video announcing that you're getting the stuff back for somebody makes it look disingenuous, like as if it was not from the heart. Because if you really cared about, bro,

you wouldn't even want anybody to know that he even had a situation in the first place, right? And you wouldn't be thinking about taking credit for it. I think it came off like some weird old head slash maybe like hater behavior to a lot of people.

It came off like some extortion shit. That's what everybody looked at it at Because, like, you know, he get that reputation Like the big U's and the Shugnights And... Man, say, a little bit on... Man, say, Leveral. My Lerwood, we from Barre, Louisiana.

I don't know anything like... Like, we don't know about all this shit, what this shit mean. Yeah. So you ain't never, you know, even though... Niggas tried, though. It ain't been in a situation where niggas and tried to do that? No, you know, trash shit.

Word. No, I feel it. I'll fuck with it because like young voice seemed like he wasn't going. Usually a lot of niggas won't even say too much. But like he, he, he said, keep them keys, nigga. I mean, I mean, like, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, out of the cause, they pay for stuff. So they come come with two keys in a way.

Yeah. But just to go back to the Ben 10 situation, like, this is why you guys need to be on tour together and like staying in the same area and shit. It's like you guys are more powerful together. Once you start running off And little different clusters I feel like that's when the messy shit starts happening

I mean you see I don't know See like I told you a little while ago My life when you were like Like like like digging the streets Man like like where shit Go She'll go eat away

You know what I'm saying? And they're what I'm all? You know what I'm saying? You see my shit My shit me fuck with you're gonna Have your good your bad and everything Yeah. How do you feel like, why are you some more wise than the other guys or not even

just like guys in your camp, but like other street dudes and shit? Because it seemed like you don't really get into too many altercations. Like, where's all this wisdom come from for how you strategically move and to navigate this industry? Could, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just know me as a person. And man, like, I just stay around fuck shit. You know what I'm saying? So, so, man, like, I was always, way, ways the person, so I was to go hang around the always and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like playing spade, dominoes, and all that shit, though.

You still be running spades and dominoes? Word, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I know you said you'd be flipping houses and stuff like really in your real estate bag, right? Yeah. Who put you on to that? My own brother, Katie. Word.

Yeah. So you've been doing this and not no new thing? I don't know, man, I'm just getting, can't start? Oh, where, right, right. No, that's good, because a lot of, you know, that's how you're going to be able to have long-term money. But do you plan on, like, taking rap, like, more serious, or, like, you kind of, like, just chilling,

like, letting young boy have it, and you pop out. And that verse with Birdman was kind of legendary. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I like rap? But I don't think that I could just do it for, Why not though? Why you ain't gonna dedicate yourself to it? Like I don't know, no, no what I'm saying?

Like, like, like, like, like I ain't just big on it for real, you know what I'm saying? Like I ain't big on it for a real. So, uh... It's cool, though. You know, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's cooler, but I just like big on it. So when you, all right, when you, we see the song with you and Birdman and Young Boy, who's, that's like topping them pressure in you to hop on the song?

Or like how the song come about anyway? She's bribing, chilling. The Sunday, you know, fucking I'm a rap. Should we be outside? Should we bap and chilling. We're just fucking around. During the Massa Tour, where was that at? Man, like, it was different states, so.

So, man, I can't just tell you exactly exactly where it. Yeah. It was different states, though. What was the craziest moment on the Massa Tour? crazy shit that you've seen like fan walls or just any crazy shit man

crazy shit I've seen I seen the people born burn rush the on those the dolls and uh new ars

they bumrush the stage or something no no do on those to like to like come in oh wow really just ran through that bed boom was you with them All right, because this is a viral video of him walking around New Orleans.

And I think, what, he hit Canal Street or Bourbon Street or some shit. And I think Little Tim was with him. And they're saying Little Tim was like, you know, protecting him. What you're out there? Like, doing that. Like, how to, because usually young boy shouldn't just be walking around New Orleans. And he had a huge-ass mile with people following him. Like, seeing that, seeing how, like, how y'all took y'all state by storm and seeing all the fans and shit?

Like, how did that make y'all feel? Like, just because in the New Orleans video, you really got to see, like, how young boy got the state. When I see all those people following him, it felt like some Michael Jackson shit. I mean, see, really like, man, like, he just love his own fans, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I'm saying even as you as a spectator or someone that's in this shit, like, you're used to this by now or you still like, sometimes, like, can't fathom, like, damn, this, we're really doing this shit.

I mean, like, I mean, like, like, once I'm used to because, like, every time I get around a bunch of people, I get paranoid. anyway. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So you ain't gonna never fully be used to it? I mean like, I mean like, like, like being around the people, I don't know. Yeah. That's that street mentality, right? Because you just don't know who's who? I don't know who. I don't know about street mentality. She's, she's, oh, it's mine, though.

Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, I mean, that's always gonna be the challenge is that if you want to be a huge artist, you kind of got a do a lot of fake shit that you might not normally want to do although young boy is kind of like proof of the opposite because he's really in his own world don't really do anything it seems like you don't want to do

and he's still managed to become one of the biggest artist. Yeah the last NBA member that was in that chair threw up. A little dump. You've seen that? Yeah. What did you think of that? Was that

a bad form on his part? I mean, she, I mean, she, she, she was, she was like he's, man, for the father, she by, I guess he, oh, like, like he's like his thorn with her head throw up, I don't know. The weird part about it is that I kept telling him, I'm not putting this out. This is crazy, bro. I'm not putting it out. And he's just like, he's like, no, I need the world to see what I was going through. Like, he really believed that that was, like, important for people to see, which, I don't know, maybe it was. It impacted me For sure Man I don't know Bro

Oh, all right So I guess While on Gilly came out What was his Gray Diggins Mountain I'm so glad You're asking about this

And he did an interview With Young Boy But apparently Young Boy was too high During an interview He didn't want to put it out And then they could Put it out anyway

Is that the story? Where did the friction Come with Shaw? I mean, like, you know, what I'm saying? Like, like, science that I told you before. Like, when it was come down to, like, his own business and stuff. Like, like, he's, like, his, like, his actual business. Like, like, he used the business and his business he got going on the interview.

I don't be in tune. No, so you wasn't at the house when they pulled up for the interview? Like, you wasn't there? No. I watched that shit, though. And it was uncomfortable. It was really awkward. Like, you could tell.

he didn't really. Sorry, my bad. I love you. I love you too. Aw. The softer side of her. But yeah, that shit was, that was crazy. I could tell he didn't want to put anything out.

But they put out something. And there's like so many ads in that episode. It's just really. It's a really strange document. You know, I was supposed to do a young boy interview a couple years ago. I'm glad you mentioned. And I'm pretty sure that the reason why it didn't happen, though,

is because then, like, me and Wack were doing the podcast together. And he basically asked me, or he said, like, what gang is Young Boy from? And I said, he's from 4K Trey. And he said, that's a rap. That's a rap thing. That's not a street thing. And I basically said, like, no, I'm pretty sure it's, like, a street thing, too.

And I think I heard that young boy didn't like me talking about that in that way. So was I wrong? To call it a gang? I mean, I don't really know nothing about that because he didn't say nothing. He didn't say nothing to me about you. So, so I don't think it's all like stuff like they bought at him for him. I think now that me and Herman are close that it's probably like we're going to get back cool. Even if I don't even know if we're not cool.

You might not even remember that. I mean, I mean, like, I mean, like, I don't think, I don't think he have a problem with you. But, like, though, if he don't like you, if he, if you don't, if you don't, don't like you, so like, so like, so like me, me, you know, might have, have, like, our own friends. And just because you're his friend, I mean, you're my friend. And just because you're my friend, don't mean you his friend. True. But at the end of day, though.

But better than day, though, see, right for them. I'm on the same shit. I'm on the same shit type of all, you know what I'm saying? I was around him a bunch of times like 10 years ago when he was a little dude. That was, it's like crazy just to think about, because I used to be at the Atlantic offices, the APG offices. And like, he would just be in there recording and shit.

And I thought it was pretty good, but I definitely didn't know it was gonna be like what it turned into. Yeah, man. Pretty crazy. So it was like Fredo Bang and G Money in them, part of your friend group? Well, that was just his friends, like, back in there.

I don't know them to do it. So you wasn't around, so you ain't never get to do no music with them early on? I wonder with a rapper. Whatever. So yeah, so I guess OG3 and Top were just moving around first, doing it. So you came in, so how many more years, like he started rapping in how many years later, so you came on part of the rap group? What you said? Hmm.

Probably when he had turned, like, when he, like, when he, he, We turned like, man, like it wasn't nothing that was just disgusted, man, man, like, you my brothers. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, do what it is, NBA. Yeah, but I mean, at one point he had, is the TBG crew that he's rapping with, and they all rappers, and then eventually, I guess, they all fall out, and he started rapping

with his new crew. but like you wasn't around early days like you wasn't day one when he was rapping or you was around but you just wasn't taking it serious at all like you're like I ain't no rapper I don't have to back history on

with none of those guys went as far as music and shit yeah so you never even met Fredobain but you knew top at that time and shit too yeah all that word so just different crowds

yeah yeah I don't know I just I thought all y'all y'all niggas in like the same crew at one point because I seen three was in the crew or I thought three created the crew or some shit like that but you was around three at least right

like you've been on three since he was that young yeah all right so I just I guess not afraid of him oh what do you think about what you thought when he did that song with Nikki Minaj that was a big moment yeah it was a little hard

yeah was you there like when they did the song was you around for that or who's the biggest celebrity you met around him like kicking it with him Um, I was missing with him. Yeah. I'm missing him, I had kind of flight.

I was actually going, I was actually going to him, and I came across Pops. I came across Pops on the airplane. Pop Smoke? No, Pops, the old man, they're on that, they're on, they're on, they're on, play, play, played on Friday. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, oh, damn. That's crazy.

Yeah. Yeah, we're pretty big too. Yeah, no, that's legendary. So as far as like any rappers and stuff, you ain't really, because like, who's, I'm trying to see who the biggest features in, features here. At one point, he was going to do a six-nine feature,

or there was entertaining that he might do a six-nine of the song. Yeah, he backed off at some point, and then Kodak did it. Was that ever a thing? Did you hear about that or no? And would you been cool with him doing that? I mean,

um, Like like I told you earlier, his, his own, his own, his own, his own, his own, his own, his own, his own business, stuff. Yeah. I don't be in tune with, so I don't be, you know, like, like, who's going to come from being on this fish? Who's going to do what who's going to? Yeah. I don't be knowing. Well, all right, let me ask you this.

Would you be able, would you do a song with a nigga like 69? If the money wreck. Because Kodak Black did the song with Six and he caught a lot of backlash because niggas was saying, like, how you doing a song with a nigga that snitched or whatever? But like, code that, like, nika, it's business, it's financial. Like, I don't, like, I'm getting my paper. So is that a move that you would make? Like, say if a young boy, I mean, say if six, nine reached out to you,

and he had a bag for you, would you hop on a song with him or, like, you're staying away from that type of shit? I mean, I mean, shit, I mean, see, like, you know what I'm saying? See, but like I said before, too. I'm like, I ain't ready to robber. You know what I'm saying? And, like, like, I ain't, like, I ain't, nobody just trying to just go to go platinum this shit and that, you know what I'm saying?

Like I just do it, have fun. You know what I'm saying? Have fun, have fun, fuck around. Not like, you know what I'm saying? Like if it's me for it, it's me for me. But for years. I'm saying if a nigga got a bag for you and like, yo, six, nine, I want this version doing.

Like, is that something you'll do? Because he got the bag. He's trying to make it happen. You got the vape sponsor and everything. No, probably not. Never probably not. Just all the principle, you couldn't do that? I mean, like, I mean like, like, like, I just don't see, see how we'll do it.

Because, like, like, we're on different rappers. Well, I ain't a rapper, you know what I'm saying? So, but like, like, our rap is different. So damn, you don't even consider yourself a rapido. A bunch of the OTF dudes. ended up telling in the Fed case. Do you think that if that exact same situation happened to y'all, that there's people in your crew who would tell,

or you think your people are more solid? I mean, like, you don't know people until people are in those, in those, like, situations. You feel me? But the difference between our crew, but the difference from a lot of people's shit. Man, man, all people, it's the same people from, she, she's, she's, she's, she's one, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, man, man, man, like, like, like, like, I call, I called, they, they, they my, mama, mama, mama. You know what I'm saying? Like. So you said that's the difference between y'all, like y'all, all people that grew up together? All right, so I'm crazy you say that.

So, like, what they're trying to say is that dirt was going to going around and recruiting niggas from each hood that put in work tight shit, which kind of led to where now you got all these niggas around. Like, he was kind of like recruiting the hood Avengers. Like, I'm going to get this nigga from this block. Get this nigga from this block. Get this nigga from this block. Which all formed OTF.

But with all that being said, these niggas don't really all know each other. That's like the, so when you say the difference, I can see why a nigga could end up snitch because at the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of the end. day, these people don't really have that much loyalty to you if you don't really, you know what saying? No, I'm like that. First, you just grab my niggas to, you know, make y'all situation look better or so y'all can move accordingly. It's different. Like, I ain't gonna say different. Cause, man, like, but telling and telling. Like, if you know the person, you don't know

the person. You know what I'm saying? Like, you like telling and telling. But I mean, a nigger's gonna be more inclined to telling you if you just, you know, This thing ain't been knowing you, no 10 years, 15 years. You brought this nigga around for two, three years. I mean, we see, I mean, but see, you, they're going to fuck. See, they're not going to each other 20 years. It's still telling each other. Yeah.

And he got some niggas, you just made up. And she, fucking, see for, and she, fucking, see for everything, gangstom, you know what I'm going. Yeah. So, um, shit, all right, man. Appreciate you, uh, pulling up and everything. It was illuminating. I know you did some interviews before, but I feel like we actually, like,

really got to the heart of who Herm is. Yeah, yeah, brother. I'll be chilling, man. Yeah, yeah. Last question. How you feel about, like, because, like, the OTF NBA Youngboy shit is, like, the new modern day,

Tupac and Biggie shit. You feel, you feel like that comparison is valid? Like, when people throw that out there, it seemed like the OTF, NBA young boy is, like, Tupac and Biggie shit. Biggie, the West Coast and shit, like, is that type of war or energy around it? You look at it like that or no? You just don't know.

I mean, no, because, like, I don't know. I don't know if like somebody got something against us or not. I don't know, but we don't be for niggas, bro. You know what I mean? Like, we don't, we don't people, bro. Man, man, man, man for the internet, but just, I don't, I don't be for. always to be tossing to turn the shit up, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

But the whole time, shit, shit, I'm gonna be that deep. Yeah, I'll fuck with that answer. On your hand, you're just chilling, you ain't, you're on defense, you ain't really looking for nothing like, it is what it is, you. I mean, like, man, man, like, no matter where you go, man, man, where you gotta be a man. You know what I'm saying? So, so, like, so a man, like, and a man, I ain't gonna let nobody hurt him.

Because man, like, someone's a man, like, if I see a man, like if I see a threat or what I feel, somebody's a threat. I just go about it, I go about it. Wow, that's respectable. I see why young boy keep you around, man. You're a real solid nigga for him, though. It don't seem like he listened to too many people. It seems like Bird, man, you and maybe I don't know who else,

but for show you, it seemed like you somebody like, you agree, like you're somebody that can, like, tell him to chill out. Like, he listened to you in a sense. Man, brother, like, to be honest, to be honest, you're really, he's a listening person. You feel me, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if it makes sense. Yeah.

He'll listen. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm a kid? Talk to him and it makes me sense. Because, you ain't never, you never too old or too young to learn. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Because man, I ain't a lot to you, bro. My, my own niece. My niece. She's on the second grade. Man, I try to help out on her homework. Man, she's doing shit that, she's doing motherfucking shit that. I ain't never see this shit. You know, I'm gonna' motherfucker then in high school.

I come help with her my fucking homework. So, so somebody really, like, I'm trying to get her to teach me how to, how to do this shit. Then I got fuck her if that shit's the man, fuck that shit. Now, that's how it be, man. That's a good sign though. So a young boy, he learned from America. He learned from everybody, but, yeah, at the end of the day,

shit, you can learn from a toddler, man. You pay attention. Thanks. Yo, appreciate you pulling up, man. It's going to be very interesting to see what people got to say about this one. I think we hit on a lot of important topics. So I appreciate you coming through. Good show, bro.

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