No Jumper - Hernandez Govan on Beating Young Dolph's Murder, Yo Gotti, Big Jook, Beef with Flakko & More

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Hernandez Govan talks about Dolph, Memphis, Gucci Mane vs Yo Gotti, Young Thug, and more. ----- Check out e420 app for deals Apple: https://spn.so/g6gbid5j Google: https://spn.so/104g2yp6 use code NOJUMPER for $$ off Shout out to all our members who make this content possible, sign up for only $5 a month    / @nojumper   Promote Your Music with No Jumper - https://nojumper.com/pages/promo CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://nojumper.com NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901    / nojumper    / nojumper    / nojumper    / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today we're having to talk with the man of the moment, somebody who has been making a lot of waves, a lot of noise, to say the least. Today we have Hernandez Govan on the podcast. How you doing, man?

Hey, what up, Al? How you feeling? Feeling good, right? But still. Excellent. I'm with Remo, so nothing to complain about it. I've seen you guys conspiring in the corner earlier. No, yeah, no.

Just chopping it up. We did chopping it up. Yeah. Okay. You know, Remo keep his ear to the street. Yeah, he's a Southern boy, too. So you guys got that in common? You felt it right away?

That's what we were chopping it up about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We won't conspire. Okay. Yeah, for sure. I mean, a conspiracy could be anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even know the definition of it.

I just get that out the way, just to start things off. All right, so just to get the full story from you, I'd like to do a little bit of background information and everything. So tell us a little bit about your upbringing and everything. I grew up in the Orange Mound community Basically like any other urban I guess you would say ghetto Drugs, violence

You know, all of it was around me Every day all day, so you know It was impossible to escape so you know What was your home life like? My home life like It was cool Yeah, yeah You know, my mom, she made sure she, she did whatever she could to make sure we had the best of what we could have.

You know what I'm saying? Okay. And I don't remember a time going without, so, you know. And if my mama didn't have it, my grandmama did, so, you know. Okay. And pops just wasn't around? Nah, my pops was, shout out to my pops because we're cool now, you know what I'm saying? But growing up, now my pops wasn't in my life, you know, but he was just, you know, but he was just,

It's married to the streets. Okay. You know, I understand. I don't hold it against him or nothing like this. So my pops actually came to my trial, so, you know. So you would see him from time to time, even though he wasn't really in the family life? No, no. It was times.

I probably went, what, 10, 15 years without seeing my dad. Really? Yeah. So, you know, yeah, you know. But, you know, I knew he was. And then when I got older, when I were bump into him, you know, when I got to moving around the neighborhood, getting money. And I see him, you know, and I still always.

game $20, 30 or whatever, you know, whenever I seen him just because he was my dad. Oh, you're making it sound like he wasn't doing too good. Yeah, yeah, my father at one point in time, he was having a rough patch, but he's good now, though. Yeah, he got two Cadillacs or Lexus. Oh. Oh. With one leg. Yeah, with one leg.

Where'd the leg go? He had to have an amputated. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It'd be like that. Yeah. Damn. Descrados are Orange Mound because, like, when we hear in Orange Mound, that's in Memphis, right? Yeah, for sure.

That's a neighborhood in Memphis? Yeah, yeah, neighborhood. More of south, east. It's more so south. Oh, South Memphis? Yeah, yeah, close. It's not South Memphis, but, you know, right, borderline. Like, yeah.

What rappers come from Orange Mall? A ball, MJG. We got Eddie Valero. He hired right now, a little homie from the hood. He hired doing his name and doing his name for a minute. That's not where a project passed from? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, project not from the mound. I think I just remember him saying it a lot when he was, like,

listing off the different parts of Memphis. Probably so, yeah, we got Squeaky, DJ Squeaky, legendary, beat maker, one of my partners, too. So, yeah, for the most part, if I'm missing anybody, man, forgive me.

And you were, would you say you were more interested in, like, the streets, or were you interested in business and the music side of things as well? As a young dude? Well, you know, I was interested in money you know so whatever

in high school you know I played sports and I kind of like got off on the exit the wrong exit and started dealing marijuana and so they kind of led to my you know going to negative

and the negative energy I guess negative activities I guess so so you were trying to double team this thing and compete in sports do the sports thing and then so we didn't as well? No, when I started selling weed, the sports thing became a past life. Okay. Did you have potential in that regard? Do you think you were going to make it as an athlete?

Definitely. I was very athletic. I got a lot of scholarships in track or whatever, running track, going to different colleges or whatever, but I turned it down because I felt like the fast life, the streets was the thing to do at the time. I mean, that's one extremely consistent thing doing this podcast is that I'll always be talking to somebody who had like a ton of potential with sports or education and then it'll just get like a little taste of the street life and they're just done. Yeah, yeah. Once you make your first bank roll, it's almost over with it.

It's like the streets got the hooks in your back. Yeah, if you like money, you know, but really when you're looking at it that way, like in school, let me give you an example. Like, I guess the dudes to gamble and could dress real good and maybe a few. of us did have a little marijuana in the 12th grade or whatever. We thought that we were the flies dudes in school, and we laughed at the dudes that was basically going to college that did they homework and all of that shit, you know what I'm saying?

So, but the whole time we was the fools, we was laughing at them. We was the fools because if you look at them right now, they live in a great life, no felonies, dating the same type of girls, the street dudes, you know what I'm saying? And they got money. So, you know, we just chose the quick route, which was the dumb thing to do. Would you say you were influenced more about, like, music or the people that were around you in the neighborhood? No, it was, it was definitely, uh, the, my environment and the people, I grew up around hustlers. Uh, yeah.

You know, my, uh, I grew up on Bradley. My next street was Haynes. So, you know, you got, you got some legendary dudes from, from, from, um, you know, my, uh, I grew up on Bradley. both streets. So, you know, so with that being said, it was in my face. But you tried,

you tried to get into the rap game at one point, right, even if it was on the managing side? Yeah, yeah. Well, I wouldn't necessarily say I tried to get into the rap game. I guess you can say that.

I tried to make an investment. Yeah. I was approached about making an investment with money bag. And by a close part of my name a little like. Yeah, I missed out on it?

Yeah, we missed out on it because at the time, for whatever reason, my brother said it didn't catch his ear. And so we passed and look what bad it right now. So, you know, we kind of built about there for years for quite some time. Because every street dude is like plotting on some future investment that's going to help them to not have to break the law for a living. Yeah, I mean, because, I mean, anybody that they want to be in the streets, you got to be retarded.

Yeah. Like, I did it, and the people that I know do it, we do it to survive. To take her to kids or whatever, you know, and take her yourself or whatever, you know, just to make a way of living. It may not be legal, but you're surviving and you're paying the bills. But, you know, who want to be riding around with 10, 20, 30 pounds of weed and going to meet this nigga at this spot, going to meet this dude at this spot, looking in your river for the police and don't. Don't know about that I know in their right mind want to do it. Right. If you got to do what you will to eat to survive.

It might seem cool or dramatic when you're a kid, but as you get older, you start to realize that if you could have the same opportunity to make the same amount of money but have no risk, then your life would be a lot better. Definitely, definitely. Hell yeah, for sure. If you could be doing something legit, legal and making the same type of bread or more or close to it, whatever, even if it's not as much money, you're not. you were making the streets, you still not going to jail. You're not taking a risk of going to jail. Right. Definitely. But before the money bad situation, you was

running around with Flip. Yeah, yeah, so that wasn't me trying to well, I see you do your homework, Remo. That's crazy. Initially back, yeah, when I was in the streets and having money, I reached

out the flip and I brought him in and invested on the show. came in, we had the show. It was cool. It was successful. And something trans, something. I also would see flip in L.A. too at this old lady house. Her name was Ms. Grace.

Which flip are we talking about? Little flip. Oh, little flip from Texas. Oh, shit, okay. And so, you know, I would see him over there. She had her paints of syrup back in the day. Oh, lady. And off of Century Street.

and she had boxes a drink. And so one day I seen him over there, and it was a time when she had ran out, so she called me and I turned around. And she asked me to take care of her Houston boys for. They was in town for a show. So I looked out for him, and he told me if I ever needed him,

just hit him up here, return to hospitality. And I think it was a situation that I had going on in the streets at that time. I had a warrant and I needed to move around. I reached out to him and he told me he was like, just go get you a ticket, pull up. And when you get her, I reimburse you. I did and pulled up and every since then, you know,

we was locked in. So, you know, it wasn't, it was more so like we built a bond. Like, you know, that was my little brother, you know. Still, he was my little brother, you know. So, yeah, that's how they started. Just the, so what was the situation with child on Ti? Because I seen the pitcher. When you was there tonight, they got into the fight.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he got a chain got stolen? Yeah, yeah, that's when he had the Pimp Squad, click chain or whatever. And, you know, we was at the house chilling and Flip got a call from somebody that worked at the radio. And was just like, you know, I, you know,

I fuck with you, bro. I want you to hear this from me. and T. I was at the radio station and saying he was going to go to the clover and parade around and look for this fake gangster. So, you know. And this was after he got his chain took? No, this is what led to it.

Oh, game over song got yet? Or is the music out? Game over song got out. Yeah, so. So this in the midst of all the beef. Yeah, so we are, we at the house and I think we was getting tattered up at the time. We're like, come on, let's roll.

So we go to the hood. And he pulled up. And I think he was, I want to say he was with Bunby at the time. Or Tia pulled up. Yeah, he pulled up. And he was like, yo, what up, me and you need to rap,

I'm talking to Flip. And at that time, yeah, I think he had said something about my pop's Big West, which is Flip's dad. I love him like a father. He had said something about Big West on record. And so at the time, it wasn't really nothing to talk about or whatever. So, you know, my partner ended up hitting TI in the face and a big brawl ensued.

And in the midst of it, we ended up with the chain. Right. Yeah. So was there any kind of concern in terms of taking sides in this beef for you at that time? Are you concerned about being cool with both sides? Or you're just like, I'm riding with a flip, so whatever. I wasn't cool with TI. Okay.

Yeah, I wasn't cool with it at all. you know at the time Phil was my little brother and that's what it was you know I was just rolling with Phil I mean the popular narrative and I actually seen that there was a I think it was art of dialogue there was like a clip

a little flip talking about this the other day and basically rejecting this idea but like the mainstream narrative was basically that little flip and T.I were kind of like neck and neck and then TI basically like just surged ahead became this huge rapper and kind of

left a little flip in the dust slash like destroyed his career and flip obviously takes issue with that narrative but from your perspective was that basically how it went on the ground i ain't gonna say he he destroyed uh bro because um you know we were still moving around doing what we needed to do we was still touring doing shows or whatever um did uh i think what affected it the most is because a lot of rappers at that time, for whatever reason, had an issue with LeBruh. And when T.I. came along, he was real hot. And a lot of them took sides with T.I.

From Houston. So when the general public, when the hip-hop world or whatever, see that, when people from your own city rappers, your peers siding with a dude from Atlanta, it kind of, you know, has leaves his imprint on it. Yeah. Has an impact or whatever, so to speak.

But now, but to answer your question, now, he definitely didn't destroy us. We were still moving around, you know. You know, did it have an impact on, on little brother? I'd be lying if I said it didn't, because it did. And this shit is all a popularity contest at the end of the day.

So if the people start viewing you, like, you're the op, they got beat by the new high rapper. I mean, that could be a tough, narrative to beat. Definitely, definitely, definitely. So, you know, yeah, it had his impact. But one thing about a little bro, he'll hustle.

He's going to figure it out. And that's what he did. Did you inflip fall out at any point? And you just kind of slowly start moving around together? As far as falling out, that's my little brother. So, you know, we have a big argument at least once a year. And it's done been times with big women. which is his dad

unlocked us in the room together. Really? Yeah. And, you know, however we decide to work it out, that was between me and Flip. We never kind of blows or nothing,

but, you know, the day I got indicted when they put me in the room, I still had my phone. And he was one of the people that I called. Really? So, you know,

in this situation, to know you just been indicted for, three murders and for him to be one of the people that I call. Kind of says a lot. Exactly. So as it relates to now, I just been moving how I've been moving. And that's still a little bro, you know, do I have issues with some of the things

or he do or how he operate? Yeah. but it don't change the fact that that still my little brother and I still love him to death. You know, I don't been that person like, you know, the front line person, you know,

the person you see with him right now that's his right hand, I was there protecting and defending against him at one point. You know, because, you know, we all have our issues. And I ain't saying, I ain't saying,

I ain't saying, Paul, don't love. flip because I know he do but you know I was there when you know she was crazy you know and me and Pohn we didn't we didn't had our specs and turn around we'd be in the truck together the next couple of nights you know what I'm saying you know so you ever have to save flip's life have I ever had to save flips life it sounds like you were the protection here at a certain point I wasn't necessarily I ain't going to say the protection that's just my little brother You know, I ain't no nigger protector, you know. I ain't going to do nothing for you that I hope you wouldn't do for me.

It's done been moments where we're moving around. And I think, you know, my presence probably has negated a few situations. We've never been in a situation where we've never been a situation where we've never been a shootout or or anything like that but we don't have standoffs we don't have situations where you know fans or

or just T.I. fans or whatever you know might get disrespectful and you know and I just I do me and so with that being I wouldn't call that saving his life I would just call just standing on being

definitely um okay so I mean you said that you like gotten into the streets and all of a sudden you were selling weed, but like how, how deep into that kind of operation did you get in terms of like how much money were you really seeing at a certain point? Did you find that you really had like a business mind for how to hold this sort of operation together?

I mean, you know, when I say, I guess from the Velaide interview when I say petty marijuana. It was funny when you're saying that because I'm like, nobody in the street says petty marijuana. I sell petty marijuana. Lots of marijuana. Well, I say, I say that because I don't see lots of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, 100 pounds, 50 pounds to me is petty marijuana.

Oh, that's definitely not petty marijuana. I mean, you know, it is. You know, I know some Chinese, they lose tons of pounds of marijuana and don't lose a minute of sleep about it. So 20, 30, 40 pounds is petty marijuana. marijuana where I'm from. I know dudes who are millionaires that will still sell you an eighth or a quarter. Yeah, I know.

That's petty marijuana. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know I free of them too. I know a free of them too. And that's the reason why they millionaires. Exactly. You're a eighth of marijuana.

And when I see that, I'm like, oh, you're losing your hustle. Because there ain't no way I'm bagging up a quarter right now. But I respect it that you're... Man, I got a partner. And I ain't going to call his name. For showing me, no. I love them like cook food. right to this day, he'll buy five or 10 pounds or some real good smoke just so into sale just so he could smoke for free.

So he won't have to pay for it. But he already rich. So, you know, it teaches. But it is true that a lot of people spend like really, truly outrageous amounts on weed. So I get it. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people smoking a pound a week with the homies especially, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I mean, yeah, if you got, you know, you got some homies. I could see that, but you know, like me at, I think in my peak of smoking, you know, at one point I could say I probably, maybe I could run through maybe an ounce or day. Yeah. Yeah, ounce a day just, you know, I ain't going to get on here and say no goofy ass. Yeah, yeah. People always try to go viral. I smoke 50 blunts a day. Yeah, yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So at this time, I guess you was flipping packs and people assume that the month, because you, At one point, you was managing a straight drop. Correct. And how did you...

I wouldn't say managing because I wouldn't say managing because I wouldn't know necessarily all the ends and outs of managing someone in hip hop. I was trying to... But I do know how to... I do know how to make a profit. And I do know some of the ends and else how hip hop go. I know several people. that have invested in artists from different neighborhoods

and, you know, when it's time to sign to the majors or whatever, you know, they straight for the rest of their life, you know. So that's the situation in the position that I was in. I was just trying to basically, I guess, an agent more so, so to speak, you know. You didn't want to be the guy taking them around to do club performances every day and shit. But you were thinking, this guy seems like he has the town.

to get signed to a legitimate label deal. I want to basically guide him into that opportunity and then get my percentage. Definitely. He definitely had the talent. He definitely had the street credibility. How did you meet him and where are he from? What part of him is he from anyway?

If you asked, drop that question, he might tell you two different neighborhoods. But, you know, he got a right to say he from Orange, and I met drop through Jay Money. And I'm sure you know who that is. Jay Money serving everybody of Atlanta. Negative. Oh, you got a different Jay Money?

It's about the real J. Money. Oh, okay. Yeah, Jay Money from Orange Mountain. He was the leader of Chula Mafia. Oh, okay, got it, got it. Here I am getting the wrong J. Money in there. Okay, there's a lot of J. Monies from every city. but okay he introduced you and what was your relationship with him

Jay Money just was one of the little homies from the neighborhood you know when we had the nice cars and stuff in the neighborhood you know Jay Money just was one of the little homies you've seen it in him you know you're saying that he was going to grow up to be one of them and you know and uh and everything you envision for him was turning out that way as you see he was right there running with Dolf and, you know, with bag and, you know, everybody loved J. Money. If you ain't liked J. Money, it was probably something wrong with you.

Because there's a photo of Straight Drop hanging out with you on Dolf. So would that be the J. Money connection? Yeah, that would be the J. Money connection. That makes sense. Yeah, that was J. Money's doing right there. You know, Dolf, I mean, Dauf wasn't never a personal friend of straight drops or whatever, you know. I think Glock and Drop had a relationship. relationship or whatever.

But didn't straight drop have a paper roll chain at one point? No. He didn't? No, he never had a paper route chain. That was the paper route chain that, uh, they won a straight drop partners took for Moochie grape. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I think his name was Wayne or something.

Bang, Wayne. So when we see the images of straight drop, rocking the Peary chain or whatever, that's one that had recently been relieved from a member of here. Correct. And that's why they were wearing it as to troll and everything. Yeah, yeah, he was just trolling.

He wasn't wearing it. A lot of people thought he was wearing it because he was trying to sign to them or something like that. He was just trolling in the video. Makes sense. Okay, so, but how far along in the game was a straight drop at that time that you met him? Like, was he, do you remember, like, how many views he was getting or how much interest

there actually was in him at the time? So, you know, when I met him, you know, You know, he always knew how to rap, you know, but he didn't have, you know, he had the buzz amongst his peers. He always been, you know, popular, you know, in his age group or whatever. And so, you know, again, you know, he rapped back then, but, you know, he didn't, it wasn't like how it was when we were in talks, you know, and trying to get him signed to a major. So when you're talking a straight drop and everything, is it, are you concerned about how this is going to impact your situation streetwise? Like, are you looking at them as somebody who's involved in so much beef and everything that this is something that you got to be super aware of? Oh, well, you know, most, I mean, tell me a rapper right now that I ain't involved in the streets like that, you know, you with the drill culture, you know what I'm saying?

drill rappers or whatever, you know, so it was always to answer your question. It was a concern, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, straight drop was straight drop. You know, he, you know, he get busy, you know. So when I had that talks with my brother trying to convince him to help me invest, that was one of my brother's main concern. Like, what if we do this and he on federal probation? And what if he go and anything can happen in the streets, you know,

then the money is just a loss. And I was just trying to reassure him And, you know, I would do everything And my power to make sure that Justin, you know, was just solely focused on music. And so we came up with the idea of, well, let's just give them $10,000 as an advance. Okay.

And if we give them the $10,000, I get them to agree, look, it's for you. You don't have to be in the streets trying to be selling a weed. moving around, just focus on, making some music, and let's just try to get this shit out the ground. So that was the plan we came up with, but, you know, it didn't work out like that.

Right. And when you say your brother, you're not talking about Jip? Negative, no. All right, I'm talking about my brother. You're a real brother. Yeah. All right, because there was a story where, because I guess you have a relationship with Juk

and Juk and you had a business meeting about straight drop? We did. All right, and how did that business? meeting, come into place? Well, this was more so when I first reached out to Juk, you know, and I told him, I was just like, you know, one of my little partners just

got released and, you know, he reattalented, he liked it, you know. He got a lot of street credibility, which that's a requirement today of the rappers. And so I'm like, man, you need to come check the material out. and, you know, based on the relationship, the respect, I guess, or whatever,

Juk pulled up in Orange Mound to come check out the material. And when he pulled up and at the time, Drop had a few videos on YouTube, we showed him the videos, he watched the videos. And surprisingly, he was impressed, you know, and he was just like, you know, we need to get his buzz up stronger to the point where the higher-ups would be interested and we could go ahead and pull the plug on it.

But from what he's seen that day and the conversations that we had, he was all in. And how did you, how did you adjook form a relationship? When did y'all meet each other? Just from, you know, like I said, I'm real close to,

Um, Jukes Maher had a marriage or relationship years, years, years ago. I'm very close to their person and basically to their whole family. So, you know, who's always a respect based on that? Started gambling together, drinking syrup. You know, it may not be no syrup in the north. He might call it to the mound. It might not be no syrup in the mound or might call to the north. You know, just when we were younger,

you know, I don't drink syrup no more so, you know, but, you know, we just formed a bond and, you know, off of that, you know, just, it's your ordinary, I guess, street respect. And so even you and Big Juk having this relationship, you never were around Gotti? Never, you know, when Godi was always, you know, out of town doing his thing, you know, the music, you know. Juk was more so the streets. Not to say that Goddy wasn't, you know, because Goddy definitely was in the street. You know. But when you look at all this stuff going on around Godi and the fact that he seemingly is able to keep his nose clean, it feels like that's a very conscious decision that they don't want Godi to even be able to be in situations where it might look like he was involved with something because they know how negative that could be towards the sort of empire that they're building.

Does that feel like it's like a calculated choice? I don't think it's more so. I haven't thought about that until you asked the question, but I don't think it's more so calculated. I think he just, he just move how he moved. You know, he always been like that, you know. You don't have to know him to see how he move. You know, he never responds to the hate, you know, or whatever the case may be. So I don't think it's more so calculated.

I think it's more so just him. or it could be a little bit of both right yeah i know because i try to move calculated and strategic so you know it might be a little bit of both we just seen so many rikos where the the star rapper the young thug of the situation or the lucci is like actually ordering stuff never mind driving people around to do stuff and like when you look at godi it's kind of like oh i feel like you're someone who you've seen the game you've been watching a play out for all these years and you don't want to end up in that situation So you make sure that you stay very far away from any kind of street shit.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. He, you know, his upbringing was, I guess, say, it's certain writing, I guess, in certain, you know what I'm saying, instances. You know, he's seen it all at an early age, you know, so, you know, I think, if I want to correct me if I'm wrong, I think his mom went to prison, federal prison, maybe one of his aunts or something like that, or whatever. But so, you know, he always been around and he knew the streets at an early age, I'm sure, you know, because it's right there. So I'm sure he knows the do's and don'ts. He probably learned them sooner than a lot of other people did. So you are forming this relationship with Juck and everything, but did you have a relationship with Dolf prior to this?

Or how well did you know him? I mean, me and Dolf didn't have a relationship where I wake up on the phone and call him, hey, what up, bro, what you got going on and pull up on you? It wasn't nothing like that. it was, if I had some good weed, an orange mound that they didn't have necessarily access to at their time in Castaglia. There's been times when he's called me and I've called him when he's had a certain grade of marijuana or a strand that I didn't have. And, you know, so, you know, yeah, we've done those type of transactions for sure.

Okay. Yeah, and like I said, you know, Big Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, O the leader of paper, route could do uh know him personally them been in them rooms hustling all night with you know doing we had to do but so are you thinking like by aligning yourself with joke and and straight drop and this sort of CMG side that you're naturally going to kind of become at odds with pierre and dolf or are you thinking like i'm just doing business so i'm not going to really be seen as being yeah it was more so you know because i never was interested in getting, I ain't want the fame that came with it.

I just wanted my name on their country where I get my percentage. Right. You know, I don't want to be Diamond Dash or none of it. You know, I just wanted to be able to take care of me and my kids for the rest of my life and generate some wealth and income for my kids and their kids. So, you know, there was. was my plan. I ain't never want to move around. I ain't never want to be on Vlad. I ain't never want to be on no jumper. I'm a big fan of the show. You know what I'm saying? Follow it for sure,

because I'm a hip hop. You know, I come from the era. So, but some people end up in this position and some people, the whole goal is to become a media personality or to do enough beefing or enough controversy that they could end up on a show like Vlad or no jumper. You, you were just trying to do business makes a money and then you ended up in the situation where people like us wanted to talk to you yeah yeah correct you know and at the same time you know um i always been you know you know i who don't like money and uh so you know if it's a situation where i could potentially capitalize off of negativity then um i'm gonna do it you know so i've been seeing a little you know backlash and people saying things about my chance

on my YouTube channel, which is at quickpicks.com. And so, you know, you know, they can be upset or whatever, but at the end of the day, I feel like if they was in my shoes, they would do the same thing, you know. It fell in my lap.

I didn't go looking for it or whatever. So, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, it is kind of weird because you're, like, famous for something that you didn't do and that you weren't found. you're at least not found guilty of but it's like

inevitably like some percentage of people are going to view you as essentially taking credit for the charges that you beat by doing media talking about all the charges that you beat it's kind of like a tricky role for you to be in her well yeah for the ones

that think like that I think they should you know maybe watch the Vlad interview you know I ain't never been a goofy to take credit for something that I played no part in. I absolutely positively didn't have anything to do with the murder of Young Dog.

I'm going to give you an example and I ain't get this to play it. I've been in the streets a long time, right? I think you could say I probably jumped off the porch maybe when I was maybe 16 or something like that. I was gambling before the end, but I wouldn't necessarily call that jumping off the porch. I started getting money,

started like dealing drugs, maybe when I was 16. And with that being said, I was probably, when Dauph got killed, I probably was maybe, what, 41 or some, something shit like that. I mean, I've been in the streets a long time.

What idiot, you know, gonna go on a drill, conspire to kill someone that's famous as young, off and agree to park the car across the street from his house. Like some shit just don't make no sense. That is not what you do. You burn the car.

Destroy the car. I've been on the street 40 years plus. Know everybody on the street from the older people, the younger people, everybody. Why would I park the car across the street from my house while I sell drugs? You're saying that that's something that some knuckleheads who did this, might do, but it's definitely not something that you would have, if you were a part of the conspiracy, you would have told them to do it a lot smarter than they did.

Even if I advised them or didn't, ain't no way their car coming back across the street from my house. All right, let me ask you about that. So when the shooting did happen, the white bins went viral and we seen pictures of it outside of a, I guess people was calling the trap. So you're saying that was your home out across the street was where you was living at?

Well, the yard that the car was found in, my spot was directly across the street from it. And that was such a smoking gun when that information came out that we were like, oh, now we know exactly how this situation played out. Yeah, yeah, you know, and you would think that especially if you don't know the dynamics of my street that I grew up on. Like, I had a God brother at one point named Bobby, Bobby Carter, and he's deceased now. That's how I met Cornelius through him. He brought him around. And with there being said, Cornelius was on their street before I was even released from prison, you know, based off of, you know, Bobby. You know, he had a pass to be over there on the strength of Bobby.

So he didn't need me to be on the street, chilling or whatever the case may be. So when the car was parked at that location, if you don't necessarily know that he had a relationship with Bobby prior to me, you don't know. The only reason you think he might park that car on the street is based off of me, of me and his relationship. but he was on that street before I even got released from prison and that he was and that was with Bobby. You knowing both straight drop and canoeists, why would they park that car there if you just had the guess? If what was reported as true

as it relates to him being shot, I just think they panicked maybe. From what he testified to, said Justin was shot, grazed as well. In the shoulder or... In the back of some, I think. And if that's the case, you know, if you're just coming off a drill or a high-profile drill like that,

both of y'all shot, I just think they panicked and one thinking. You know, that's the only sense I could make of it, you know. Because they shot multiple music videos, Straight Drop had multiple music videos in that same yard of the house. So everyone was like, Why would you? Well, I wouldn't say multiple. At least one of them.

He had one. All right. And, yeah. And so, you know, with that being said, if you got a video that you shot in the yard, you just made more sense of it, Remo. Why would you park the car you just killed off in in the same yard where you shot a video with? That's panic. It's the only thing that I could think. I don't been in them situations before, you know, so it's like everything happened and faxed.

You know, so, you know, and it definitely wasn't a conspiracy because if it was, they would have had something better than it, you know. Outside of Bobby, what was you on, Cornelius's relationship? How did y'all start getting around each other and build a better bond? You're saying, you're saying before, I mean, before Bobby introduced me to him, or after. Outside of him, because you said you met him through your cousin. So, like, y'all obviously grown your own relationship. I met him through my God brother, you know what I'm saying, or whatever. And, you know, so he, you know, he started, he was addicted to peels, you know what I'm saying, ex peels or whatever the case may be.

I had access to him. You know, I always been a hustler. You know, it's my past life on sales, I don't see those, no more. But that was the only relationship that I had with him, you know, he would come over and buy peels. You know, he might buy weed every blue moon or whatever the case may be. He just started calling me big brough for whatever reason, I guess. just on the strength of Bobby, but if it wasn't for Bobby,

I wouldn't even never met that dude. I mean, he's a bomb. I mean, a drug, a junkie. Like, I wouldn't have never had no type of dealings with him, period. Because I did hear you saying with Vlad. So, all right, so you and Juk had the meeting with Straight Drop. Correct.

At your house. And during that time, or during the meeting, Cornelius happened to walk up to your house and knock on the door. And he actually told you, he was like, you heard this shot here trying to kill Gotti. But you said you didn't want to bring that to Juk's attention at the time. So you just disregarded what he said.

And I guess I don't know where you served them. But you hear that from me wrong? On a Vlad TV interview, you just did. Yeah. You said on a Vlad TV, when Straight Drop was there. I thought you said, no, I ain't saying you lying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely heard it.

I thought maybe you said you got it out of discovery or something like that. I heard you said. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's how they went. And, you know, to get Juk all. over to talk about some music, you know, was a feed in itself. You know, Jook ain't going to pull up in the ghetto for no anybody. Yeah.

And so when Cornelius, when I was approached with this, for one, I thought it was a lie. Because I never heard of Dolf trying to do anything to Gatti at that point. I don't heard of this shit the other way around. and two Jook hadn't said nothing to be me about no no B for Dauph

trying to kill his brother so why would I go back in there and bring up this weird ass conversation and take a chance on running him off from the potential business deal I didn't want to take their risk

you're probably thinking this is a nightmare because he might just get up and leave spaz out on the dude there's all kinds of bad shit one I'm thinking this appeal head

he don't know what the hell he's talking about with me being so I guess in tune to the streets I'm thinking I would hear that before he would have and by me not hadn't heard it at that point

I'm thinking if I go back in here and say something to Juk about this and let's just say if it ain't true is you gonna be like who is these weird ass outside saying this goofy-ass shit. I don't need to be over.

I might not need to be over here. I might need the role. So I didn't want to take the chance and I didn't say nothing to him about it. I came back in, we finished talking about the music and he was just telling us exactly what we needed to do to get dropped

hot to the point where it would be a go. And when he was leaving, and that's when he was approached by Cornelius and Bobby. And And Juk kind of just shrugged it off. He didn't really take it. He didn't really pay attention to it or what?

I mean, you know, he... They did get to have that conversation with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He most definitely had the conversation, you know. And to my surprise, Juk didn't say, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Juk knew what he was talking about. As a matter of fact, Juk asked him how did he note it? And he said that Dauph had an aunt or a cousin or a son.

something over there that lived by his dad and Dauph had been bragging on the drill that he, you know, sent some people to get up with, we got it. And Goddard was in the Rose Royce bulletproof truck. Yeah. Gets deep. All right. So what was, to your, to your Nolan, what was Cornelius and Straight Drops relationship at that time?

Because you knew one of them separately, but they happened to both be at your crib, the same. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's like. By Cornelius coming over regularly by peers, which, you know, that was basically my relationship with him. You know, some days he might try to, you know, hang around or sit around. You know how some of them do when they get sort of comfortable a little bit or whatever. Now he then got into the big brother now.

You know what I'm saying? Calling me big brother. So, you know, you might sit down, roll a blund, just chill or whatever. And, of course, you know, he might see drop or whatever, you know, going to comment on my they might just so happen to be there at the same time or however you know but they didn't even really have a relationship so to speak you know it was more so what's up you know what I'm saying or whatever you know and uh they were never kicking it on their own or riding around or nothing like that you know I just think that drop uh

Cornelius gave an impression to drop that he was, you know, like that, you know, in the streets or whatever the case may be. And if what the jury said happened is true, then maybe drop at the last minute or whatever it felt like, you know, let me get somebody who said he liked that and they say he liked that and just, you know, do whatever they do. but it was never a close relationship. I ain't never have a bun or none of that. You know what I'm? And I can adamantly say that. You just said that, you said Dolf was bragging to his cousin about the hit that he tried to do on Yorgadi.

So when Jukh asked Cornelius, how did he know about the attempt to hit on his brother? Cornelia said that Dauph had a cousin or an aunt that lived by his dad and Dauph had been bragging about it and that's how he supposedly knew about it and that's how they went. But it was a well-kept enough secret that you hadn't heard about it. I hadn't even heard about it. Just think about it.

It wouldn't even ever on social media. You know, God is it so secret if he never reported it, you know, street anything or report it, you know, or whatever. you know, so it never made his way to the net or whatever. So, you know, I had never heard of it at that point. But you know what you know being in the streets. And then you said you had a relationship with Dahl somewhat. You can kind of see it maybe being true.

Like, why wouldn't he want to get back in somebody shooting at me? Oh, definitely. I could see that, you know. But me being who I am, I'm thinking I would have heard that. But they just did a great job of keeping it. under wraps, you know, you know what I'm saying, you know, so it was music to my ears the day that I heard that. If you, if you had to call it, what, what do you think started the beef between Goddy and Dolph in the first place? I just think, you know, they say he didn't sign.

Yeah, I just think that, you know, the music, the music deal, you know what I'm saying, the potential music deal went bad. I just think when, when God did allegedly from what Dolph said, talk down on his artist to him when he was trying to sign him when he was like, I ain't got a hold your hand, like I got a whole Stolito hand, like I got a whole Z hand, and you know, you got your own motion and woo. And Daufe did a few interviews saying how God it was a sucker in his eyes for talking down on his artist to him to try to sign him. So I think that just, you know, all they just played a part in it, you know,

and just one thing led to another song. start being made and, you know, and there you have it, you know. Everybody want to be like, you know, they ain't going and they're superior and ain't nobody, don't nobody want to stand down. So I just think that's how it happened. You feel like the bond of Dolf had with Gucci Man, kind of like. Of course, of course. Because at the time they were saying that, you know, I think Chikour was messing around

with your Gotti and messing around. I mean, I mean, your, your, your, your, your, your, did an interview and he said that. Yeah. On camera. So I don't think God he'll get on. I don't think he'll risk his reputation and all of that on camera

by saying that and it ain't true. Because we've seen Gucci squash his beefs from that era of his life, you know, 2013, 2014. A lot of people, he's basically patch stuff up, but there are a few notable exceptions. Gotti's one of them. WakaFlocka's one of them.

Yeah. They just still haven't really seen them get cool. And there was a lot of rumors or stories being told about Goddy pulling up at Gucci's house with a gun and shit like that. I don't know. I don't think that's true. I think when the issue, they had the issue back in the day about when Gucci had the issue and Gaddi was supposed to drop on 1017. Okay, yeah.

And they had a show coming up soon right after they, Gucci went on the radio. or whatever it was and had his rant. And so from what I was told, Gucci didn't show up to that show because it posed to have been like immediate smoke after that. And he didn't show up or whatever. But, yeah, so, you know, if he didn't squash his beef with yo like he did,

everybody else, I think, is more so about the girl, his wife, and no disrespect to her. But would you be willing to squash some beef with something? somebody who had six with your wife, you know, maybe while you was in prison. I don't know when it was or whatever. Oh, Lord. It's supposed to be your friend. Especially it's like if there's, if they've disrespected your girl.

Like it's one thing if maybe they slept together before you were together. But if they've been disrespectful about your girl, that's usually the thing that you can't get over. What if they, what if it went before or what if they slept with a while ago? And then we're really talking. Exactly. So that's probably the reason you'll never see that beef squash. Because he basically have to go against his wife. But what I don't understand is how you could be mad at God and not be mad at your wife.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I guess, you know, just different, you know, they move, how they move. But me from where I'm from, I ain't going to be mad at him and not be mad at her. I mean, when I interviewed Stan Gee, who I don't know, does that name mean anything to you? You're a Stan G fan? Am I Stan G fan?

Yeah. I mean, I didn't know he was anybody to be a fan of. Well, he's a content creator, you know. We had them on here. It did pretty well. Some of the clips went pretty viral. Yeah, that probably was more so because of you and your friend. Okay, okay.

But anyway, one thing that Stan said, oh man, was that he said that basically like Gucci, if he doesn't like you, he will take the rappers who might have a little bit of buzz from your section and sign them and basically like kind of go out of his way to create controversy or beef with dudes from your section and that that in Stan's mind is the explanation for why certain artists from Memphis got signed to Gucci is basically because that was Gucci's way of

sort of subliminally beefing with Gotti. I think whoever their person is you're talking about is right to a certain extent because, you know, for him to have, it's talent all over the world. And he had a hell of interest in the artists here, I mean, well, in Memphis. And a lot of the artists that he signed were artists that was in, I guess, rival neighborhoods, things like that, you know. Gucci ain't dumb at all, you know. So I do think there was a way of like subliminally trying to antagonize Gotti, you know, or whatever.

Like I'm going to get the talent out of your city. You're supposed to be this big CEO and, you know, I can't tell like it, so to speak. And it's like from Gucci's perspective, it's like if he could spend 20K, 30K, whatever it might be to sign an artist and then basically create like a permanent thorn in the side of a, of a. of a major rapper that he does not get along with. I mean, that's kind of a track that he doesn't have to get his hands dirty at all. And he basically, like, creates an opt for him in his own city, never has to really engage with it. But also knowing that the rapper, realistically, is not going to say no to this big opportunity.

Exactly. You know, and, you know, it also created a sense of protection, too, especially if you come to Memphis, you know, so, you know, because, you know, Gucci, he signs some credible street. dudes, you know, LTOC, can't forget the other one. Shikesty?

Blue Shishti. Yeah, for sure, Shishty. You only have to mention Shishton name. That was like the greatest success of his like current 1017. Yeah, I forget. It's another one that was from North Memphis. Yeah, I can't remember.

Big walk dog. Was he from there or is he from Texas? Where Fujiani? He ain't from Memphis. Where were you at when you found out that, Yon Dolf got shot? I'm Akita's cookies. I was actually going on, headed to my brother's car lot. And I had to go and hollet him about a vehicle.

So I was going down Lamar and crump at that time. And how did you hear it? Was it on the news or like tweets? Social media. My phone started buzz and I started getting the cover calls or whatever. And so, yeah, that's how I found out. And then instantly, you probably seen the virus. of pictures because I seen you say on Vlad

because initially straight drop and then didn't get charged with it at first but you said the streets were already trying to charge them or not charge them or saying that Cornelius and straight drop has something to do with it and you were seeing that on the internet like seeing the pictures outside of the house and everybody trying to say straight drop has something to do with it because he shot

the music video there is that where you was getting that information from just the social media of people saying that because of that? Yeah yeah yeah for sure you know, social media, you know, that shit spread like wildfire, you know what I'm saying? And then, you know, like I said, I started getting calls or whatever. And from other people seeing things on social media that I wasn't seeing. And so, yeah, it was more so. And then the things that I was seeing, it was more so related to straight drop

because Cornelius basically was a nobody, you know, so whatever I seen. In the beginning, it wasn't nothing Cornelius. it was just straight drop. And how many days was it before a straight job started becoming basically the number one suspect in the eyes of the YouTubers in the community? That's the same day. It was the same day. Okay.

That same night. So from your perspective, I'm assuming that you weren't thinking, oh, I'm going to get charged with this. You were probably just thinking, damn, I wanted to sign him. And I thought this was going to be a great opportunity. And it seems like he fucked that opportunity up. In the beginning, of course, I'm not. thinking that I'm going to get charged, you know, because I know in my heart that I had nothing

to do with it. When I started to have concerns, it's when my previous attorney that I had before many, he reached out to me on Super Bowl and called me early in the morning and was like, oh, Van, what you got going? I said, I'm just at the house of a messy, what's going on? and he said, I want you to meet me in my office. I said, you do know it's Super Bowl Sunday, right? And he said, yeah, yeah, come on. We're not going to take long.

So I pulled up on him. And we're in the office, just me and him. We sit down. And he said, O'Van, I've been hearing a lot of rumblings downtown about this young Dolph case. Are you going to need me? I looked at him in his eye and told him, I need you for what?

Like, I ain't had nothing to do with it. I told him the part I played as relates to the music. And he was just like, you know, well, I just wanted to talk to you and see if we needed to get ahead of this thing. And no, we don't need to get ahead of nothing because I ain't had no parts in it. So, you know, from me being, going through the legal system, you know, throughout my unfortunate drug career,

I know I could tell that he was sent to do that, my attorney. Meaning the cops send him there? Because I was thinking like, oh, he just heard this rumor because he's so close to the justice system. I'm going to tell you, you know, the lawyers, that's what there was one of the main reasons why

I went and got an attorney from out of town. Everybody is like a buddy-buddy system. Everybody got a relationship from the lawyers to the DAs, the prosecutors. They all eat lunch together. They play golf together, you know, and whatever else they do together. And so, you know,

he was, in my opinion, sent by, and all because I don't want to throw nobody under the bus but he was sent by someone who had high interest in the Dauph case in the prosecution part of it from someone. So do you think that somebody essentially sent him

to sniff out if you were guilty? Like he wanted him to try to just ascertain as much information as he would yet? I think the expectations were that if if Massey say something to me, me about it in the beginning and they offered me a chance to get ahead of things that I would go ahead and basically cooperate, so to speak, and try to get immunity. That's what I was offered

in the beginning. Okay. So if you had said in that meeting and he said, do I have anything to worry about? And if you had said, like, listen, I'm going to keep a real. I paid them to go do this. How do you think that conversation would have went? You think he would have tried to basically, like, give you immunity to just spill the beans on the other people. Well, he had already told me that, you know, that he had talked to someone and they said that if I knew what they wanted to hear,

that they would give me immunity. But I didn't know what they wanted to hear. So there was no way that I could have got immunity, even if I wanted it. It's kind of a wild idea to give immunity to the guy who paid for it. directed it, but then prosecuted the shooters. Because it wasn't even, listen, when I got indicted, they told me, like, we don't even want you. Like, I was just, I was a casualty of war.

Right. Like, it wasn't me that they was concerned with. You know, they know I had no, like, the people that was invested in their case know that I had no personal beef with Dolf. Right. They know that. What it is, is. is they, to get what they, to reach their goal and to get what they want,

they had to get in bed and believe the lies of a junky pill at it. They're saying and twisting everything they had four years to lay in a cell on 23 and 1 and twist things and make them sound good for the prosecution to try to free himself. when you said they said they didn't want you who do you think they want it Juk and God yeah that's what everyone was saying

they were trying to they were trying to use you to connect Jik and Gotti to the situation but you can't use me to connect God it to nothing because I never had no relationship with Godi we ain't never rode to the store together

you know ever and just keeping it all the way Jesus I'm talking about And this on my kids. The only time I can remember having a conversation with yo was over the phone years ago, and he had the little rap group. I forget the name of them little niggas.

I think one of his name was Chris or Chris style something. But he had like a little rap group. But anyway, I had some words with one of his artists. And I think at the time it was about a young lady a girl and I had said a few things or whatever and I guess the artist had went back and said some and

God knew some people that I know and they reached out and put us on the phone and this was before God it blew up you know or whatever the case may be I think this is around the time maybe right before he signed with Birdman or whatever the case

and he just reached out and was you know asking me you know what was going on, you know, and, you know, could it be worked out or whatever? And, of course, it could. And we put it to bed. That was the only conversation that I ever had with this man and that's on my kids. Yeah, because Cornelius, he basically said that you and Juk aspired together with $100,000 and I guess you were supposed to give out the money or whatever, but it was Juk's $100,000,

and you were supposed to give it between, you were supposed to give it between, you were, Between him and straight drop, y'all was going to break it down, and you were supposed to walk away with $20,000. I'm going to tell you. I was just going to say that. You know what's so crazy? Just think about it. Anybody in their right mind

if you just sit back and analyze it. If I'm the mastermind, right? And I'm putting everything together. Why the hell I got to ask you and drop for $10,000 a piece? If anything, I'm the one issuing the money out. And as long as I've been in the street, as long as I've been hustling, if it's a $100,000 a play on a person like Dauph,

I damn sure ain't agreeing to no $10,000 apiece. So that shit didn't even fit my character, no way. So when you heard him saying that, what was you thinking like? It's a goofy. Just saying with anything that comes to mind to try to free himself. That's just like the situation with Wu, with Paperout Wu. It was a time when I overheard a conversation and his name came up.

me being the kind of person that I am and so, like I'm big on loyalty. Like, you know, that's like one of my pet peeves. Like, you know, I got a few dudes right now that I would have threw it all away for and enriched it all, like with no hesitation that I never deal with again. And that's because of the disloyalty and the, and how they did the total opposite of what I would have done had they been in my shoe.

And with that being said, I'm just so big, even if I hadn't communicated with you in years. And this is related to, this is related to Paper Rauu Dad, you know. Me and, man, Tane, we had a relationship back in the day. Like, we used to marve together every weekend to the clubs. like and so when it was a situation when wudane came up one time i spoke on the fact that i don't mean i don't even want to hear that like i know his mom i know his dad like you know i don't want no part of that conversation and you got four years to take that and twist it and to make it sound like something so enticing to the prosecution and now you say that

And now Wu looking at it like, well, damn, I do know Quit, do know my mom and daddy. You know what I'm saying? So I ain't think Quit was like that. You know what I'm saying? And he's right because I'm not like that, you know. Wu know one of my daughters. You know, he got a, they grew up in the same neighborhood. And I would want Wu to treat her and protect her the same way.

he would expect me to round one of his kids or whatever. So with that being said, I wouldn't even cross Tang out to do nothing to his son. So, you know, that's just, who listening to a goofy, listening to a sucker. What, uh, all, all, all right, so like for the fans listening to this, and they,

they hearing Cornelius is basically snitching on himself saying that he did, he did do the shooting. But what incentive would he have, the lie on you and say that you were supposed to break down $100,000 with him and juk. Why I throw that in there? If there's no truth to it. To keep from getting a death penalty. So he can go home soon.

If that ain't incentive, I don't know what it is. Like, you can't come up with nothing more attractible than that. And right now, his trial hasn't started yet or anything. It ain't going to be no trial. He's just testified in two. Yeah. What are you going to tell? testify on itself against itself.

It's over with. It's over where he did his work. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, he's going to get his stamp and go do his time. I got more. Okay, okay, yeah. You load it over there. All right, right, so one of the things that did go viral,

so I guess after you got indicted or this was before you got indicted, your daughter, which is also a right. She was killed in Memphis, and people were trying to use, they were trying to connect the Dove situation to what happened to your daughter in Houston. Can you break down what happened to your knowledge? It ain't to my knowledge. I could just tear you the facts. Yeah.

You know, and when she got killed, I was, you know, I was there, think, the next day. And so that was my issue with Flacco. Like, you know, and I think me and I text Adam about it a couple times or whatever. Prior to that, I never had an issue with him. My issue was that he was promoting the narrative that she was killed because of the CMG paperout or the issues that, or me, my involvement in the case. And I just didn't appreciate it because it just was so, and I look at Flacco like a credible blogger. You know, I don't look at me like no goofy to just wake up and just post shit just because of clickbait. Because there are people who just make shit up for the use the time.

Flacco's trying to get to the truth of the matter. But he had already stood out to you because throughout this whole Dolph thing, he was kind of at the forefront of reporting on a lot of shit. Yeah, he was already covering on it. Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, and with that being said, in my opinion, in the hip-hop world, I think Flacco word matters. maybe that's the wrong word. I think people take him to be a credible blogger, and they probably look at a lot of the things that he say is to be factual.

And so when you're promoting this and when it's just totally false, it kind of, it ruined me the wrong way. You know what I'm saying? Like, because I'm thinking the flaco that I think that I know of would do it the necessary homework. Like go get the police reports. Go get the statements. All of this shit is public record.

Like, and these little boys told on, told everything. The dudes who were involved with killing? Yeah, who got arrested. Was it six people, Charles? It was like six people, you know what I'm saying? A couple girls and everything. And it was just a robbery attempt. Man, they seen my daughter in the club,

knew her jury was real, knew she was a close friend of a little Uzi's, and they decided to follow her and to try and rob her. These little kids was from some part of Louisiana. They migrated to Texas after Katrina and with their parents and, you know what I'm saying? And I ain't got no type of ties to paperout whatsoever. Little kids like babies. I think one of them was maybe 17 or something. And they told everything from top to bottom.

and you don't think that if these kids were contracted by paper route and ain't until every fucking thing else including their social security number backwards that they wouldn't tell on the people that hired them to do this. Like some shit just don't make no sense to me. You know what I'm saying? And another thing, if paper route has something to do with my daughter being killed, I wouldn't even be here conducting this interview with you. So, you know, that was my issue with it.

Do you think that FACO knew the truth and was avoiding it because the title of like this dude's daughter got killed over a beep that he was involved in that, that's such a good title, such an engaging idea from the perspective of a media person, do you think that he was like intentionally turning his head away from the evidence that would have disproved it? I think Flacco had and has the resources to go and confirm if something is true or not. I know, I feel like he know where to go to get the real story. I think he ignored doing that because the storyline that was in front of him was so attractive. And he like, the hell with the truth. Let me go with this. I think this is going to generate the most views. and so for you to run with that narrative just for some views,

yeah, I was upset about it. But even prior to that, he had basically been labeling you the mastermind of all this, right? Did you fit, like that didn't bother you so much? No, that didn't bother me because, you know,

like I said, I mean, for the most part, I got alligator skin, so. And that's what the cops are saying. So it's kind of like a valid perspective. Yeah, yeah.

That's what the media. He's going off what the media was saying, you know, they labeled me that, you know, so with that. being said, it ain't like he invented that title for me. Yeah.

You know, so, but when it come to destiny, like, just don't, don't do that. You know, don't, don't run with this just because it sound good. Like, you know, that shit just won't play out of me. You know, I feel that. Do you feel like also maybe he's seen because people were confused by the post you made immediately or maybe not immediately, but like a day or two after? But I think you went on Facebook and you kind of like, said that it probably couldn't have happened

if your daughter didn't look up to you in a way so maybe people took that quote that you made on Facebook or that tweet or whatever Have you ever went and checked out my daughter's music? Yeah, I've seen her music. You listen to what she'd be saying? Yeah. What's your judgment off of it?

From the post, I can see you say. No, what's your judgment off of her lyrics as it relates to what type of person or individual she was? She was. Considering the fact that my daughter didn't flage, she wasn't a goofy. So if you listen to her lyrics, what type of individual would you say she was?

I feel like she was aware of what's going on in the streets. And for a female, you would say she might have been pretty active, I guess, so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So with that being said.

So that comment was basically, because her side of the family, like, she got a couple uncles, like her uncle Lizley, like he ain't no, Liz, ain't no goofy, you know. Leslie been in the streets, you know,

what was in the streets, you know, before I was. But Leslie has never portrayed himself to be this hardcore gangster. He ain't no poodle, but he ain't never betrayed himself to be this hardcore gangster. And me either, for that matter. But I don't been in situations where, uh, I either had to leave it all on the field or go home, and I choose to leave it all on the field. So I feel like she got,

she like adopted those type of, you know, traits or whatever and was attracted to that type of lifestyle from me or whatever, so to speak. And she said it in one of her songs, like it was something like, I don't even want to repeat what she said, but she'd do something like her dad. And I don't like highlighting, you know what I'm saying, and, you know, like bragging off of the old war stories or nothing like that. So I don't even really want to even repeat what she said. But, yeah, a matter of fact, it was on the song that she did with her in Muchie Gray.

You know, she was talking about me. And, uh, but yeah, so there was the reason for that post. Like, me, apologize for being the way I am. I felt like if I was different, maybe she wouldn't, you know, been attracted to certain things. I felt like certain things were cool or whatever. What's the rumor or the story? You could confirm more than nah, but did her step pops allegedly shoot you? How did y'all even have a beef?

Because they're saying that her step that shot you six times. Well, I was shot seven times. Seven times. I ain't come on no jump or to incriminate nobody. I don't know the statute of limitations. I ain't no lawyer, but what I will say, I will shot seven times. And it was an incident where a few months after that, he was shot six times. And he went on this parade saying that I was responsible for that.

but there's neither here nor there so you don't respect that i assume since you wouldn't go out and say that he shot you yeah yeah i don't respect it like you know even now like you you uh you taking credit for when i got shot or whatever i ain't never said who shot me especially on the internet right no i don't know who shot me But I know when you got shot, you paraded around town and told everybody that I was responsible for it. And it wasn't true because I wouldn't do such a thing like that to somebody. What was your relationship outside of, so I guess he's from Memphis. So I had a relationship prior to him becoming your daughter's.

No, no, we ain't have a relationship. I ain't know him. I think, for the most part. And, you know, I'm going to say this, Ramon, no disrespect. but I don't want this interview to be about, you know what I'm saying, about him, you know, whatever, but to answer your question, I didn't know him, you know, he was from a neighborhood that's close by my neighborhood, basically the same neighborhoods, and I think he did a little time or whatever, so I didn't have any knowledge of him until he started dating my baby mom.

I mean, how would you describe the way that you think about it in terms of just having a child and then seeing her come of age and ultimately kind of lose her life as a result of a culture and a world that like, you know, you may have been partially responsible for her being kind of exposed to early on. Like, how do you wrestle with that in your own mind? You know, when I was younger growing up, you know, it's almost like the same situation with me and my dad, how my dad was like he was married to the streets. You know, I think I got her mom pregnant maybe when I was 16, 17 or something. So, you know, I ain't know the first steps of being a father at that point. I was still young or whatever the case may be. and so with their being said, you know, I wouldn't necessarily in her life, especially when she was younger. When she got older, you know, it was moments and things like that when we were, you know, spend time together or whatever, you know.

You know, especially like when she got into certain situations, you know, she would call me first or whatever when she went to college. She had the incident when she went to jail and I went and bonded out of jail and all of that. So it's like maybe if I would have been there when she was younger. But I can't say that she would have turned out different because I still was in the street. She still was going to see me her dad, no matter what, I tell her, you know, if she still see me doing the total opposite, then what is how much, you know, how much good does it do?

It's just like with my 15-year-old, you know, whenever I'm around, whenever I'm around him, like, I can't let him see me smoke marijuana if I'm telling him you can't smoke it. You know, I just don't do it, you know. It just don't feel right or whatever. So, you know, just, you know, just trying to be a better father or whatever, so to speak, I guess. For sure.

Okay. You know, one name that I was just curious about asking about, since he was so involved with this stuff historically, is like, did you ever have a relationship with black youngster? Did you know him particularly well? No, no. We never met. I don't know. You know, I just know he from the city and, you know. He knew, uh, he was, uh, he was close to a good friend of mine that's deceased now.

Mm-hmm. Fish, king fish. And, uh, so yonster looked up to him. Yonster actually from the same street that fish from McMillan. And, uh, but no, we never met. Because when you look back to that time period when the, the Gotti and Dauph beef was like really kind of starting to play out online and stuff, it is kind of crazy to look back on it and think that you have yo gadi who's traditionally always been pretty tight-lipped pretty quiet about beef and everything and then all

of a sudden he's got this new artist who is just acting a fool doing all the craziest shit pulling up to people's neighborhoods making instagram videos etc all this stuff that you don't see anybody associated with CMG doing that stuff you don't really see a lot of rappers besides like you know more underground guys doing that type of shit in general these days just because I think people are a little bit more aware of how much the cops are watching them on social media and everything. But yeah, looking back on that, does that seem like a crazy chapter in Memphis history? Especially because I have had people suggest to me that Black Youngers is no longer associated with CMG and he might have took it out of his bio on Instagram and stuff.

I've seen something or somebody posts something on his saying that he scrubbed his social media or CMG or whatever. you know, I think you can kind of compare that to maybe the same way with me and flip. You know, I'm sure him and yo go through the ups and downs or whatever, but I'm sure you're honest to know at the end of the day that Godi changed his life. And I'm sure he got a great deal of respect for yo or whatever the case may be. as far as Goddy being for the most part

laid back and out of the way and to go sign youngster I don't think it was nothing out of the norm you know just because Goddy moved he's still from the environment

and he's still from there you know he got that element about himself he you know he just moved like a boss you know what I'm saying a CEO but I mean, technically youngster, I mean, he ain't the only fool over there, you know,

ESTG, he's a fool in his own right. You know, G, or G get busy, you know, so, you know, he's just saying, he ain't funny with it, like youngster. Yeah, the Youngster era was very entertaining. Yeah, yeah. It was hard not to pay attention to all that shit. But, yeah, I mean, we'll probably never see another beef play out I was like cartoonishly is that

like in terms of some like real life people losing their lives and shit type beef. I mean that shit just sort of stands out to me I was like damn that was a while there kind of like that early Chicago drill era where everybody was just documented all their beefing and all that shit.

That was when I first started you know them dissing the dead and all of there when I first got on that drill culture but yeah young star he alive wide to say it in a good way you know what I'm saying or the other, but he's been playing it pretty low for what I see for the most part, lately, anyway.

Yeah, he ain't really seen him pop out and say too much crazy. Yeah, yeah, me neither, yeah. Where were you at when you heard the news that Juk had passed away? And how did it affect you? I think I was around the street. I think I was riding down the street. I got a call, and I just was like, damn, you know. You know, I hate it there for Big Daddy, you know.

I hate that for anybody that I know, you know. It was crazy, you know, it's just, but, you know, it's just the streets. You know what I'm saying? You got to move how you're supposed to move, you know, slipples goes. Because he was at a funeral and he was taking a smoke break or? Yeah, he was at like a repast, you know, when they're going to celebrate, you know, life or whatever. Went outside to take a smoke break. and there it was.

You did say something that stood out to me. You said, the streets already know who did it, but you feel like Memphis Police ain't really taking initiative on that case. Why do you think they ain't really moving this quick? I mean, you know, they, for whatever reason, you know,

I guess they just had a interest just peek in certain cases, you know, certain situations, that they may not have a personal interest in for whatever reason, you know. Young dog wife went on record, say that our DA requested that she endorsed his campaign. So maybe that's part of the reason. I don't know, you know. I can't sit here and say that about them, but, you know, maybe so. I don't know why they take the initiative.

to go through all of their resources for certain cases and then there's certain ones that they just let just be. I can't speak on why, but I just don't understand though if the streets know how they don't. Yeah, I mean, I can think of examples with other street situations where, like, everybody knows. Like, we've all seen a video of a certain rapper who's basically involved in an attempted murder

that turned into his home again. murdered, et cetera, and it's like everybody on the street knows and the cops having arrest to the person. And sometimes it's just they take their sweet-ass time or I guess it just takes a long time to put together cases and shit. I don't know. I don't see some things so blatant on the internet where you look at it and you'd be like, man, this shit was in Memphis.

They had so been in jail. Yeah. You know, like, just say for instance, the Julio Fulio's shit. with him and younger and Aisnell if that same shit was in Memphis, Tennessee, they asked

would have been in jail. You know, you're going to people graves and, you know what I'm saying, making songs about how you killed the whole car

and, you know what I'm saying, with three people in the car and all of that and bragging on it, ain't no way the prosecution would have been sloving at the mouth, indicting their head. It feels like down south,

the attitude is like, if you're doing something that we clearly think is wrong, we're going to arrest you and we're going to figure out how to prosecute you. Whereas in a lot of like big cities, East Coast, West Coast type cities, the attitude is more like it's so hard to make charges stick to people that why would we even arrest the criminals and the gang members because we're going to have such a hard time putting a case on them. We need to wait until we have everything by the letter, every last detail so that we can try to prosecute somebody, which is like down south just feels like.

like a totally different energy. I mean, I agree because, you know, like a couple lawyers in my situation, they said, you know, you have a, the DAs have a legal, they supposed to have like a legal obligation to not move forward with cases that they know or feel like that they can't prove, you know, because you're just creating a prejudice for the defendant for no reason. You're just taking them through a hardship. And that's what my attorney was pretty much saying. Like, you know, they just basically derailed my whole life based off of the lives of appeal junkie, you know.

And so, you know, with that being said, that's why we got to where we was it. And, you know, it is what it is. Do you think if Juk wanted to have been killed, they would try to charge him to? They were definitely actively trying to charge Big Juk when he was killed. Yes, they were. They just wanted on a higher scale. What do you mean by that? Federal.

Oh, word. That's what you. Yeah. That's what you heard. It ain't what I heard is what I know. Do you think the feds are still working on charging other people in Memphis for? stuff related to this case? Yeah.

There's nobody left to charge. Yeah, right. It ain't nobody left to charge. I mean, who they're going to charge? I mean, it ain't nobody to charge. What was your moments like sitting in that courtroom, waiting for that judge to read your verdict of you being found guilty or not guilty? Walk us through that day, knowing that you might get sentenced,

or you could be possibly sentenced for life? The night prior was rough. A couple of negative people in my ear. You know, just like a couple of the home boys. I ain't no way I'm walking in there tomorrow. Are you crazy? Yeah. You even walk back in there and let them folks say gills and handcuff you.

And you got to make them do their job. Right, they were telling you to go on the run. Yeah, yeah, the day before the verdict, as soon as they started deliberating, I had a couple partners, you know, and they was like, man, you're tough. You're nuts, man, like Powell Bunyan. There ain't no way I'm going there tomorrow. Yeah.

Yeah, this shit. They'll have another new. story, quit on the run. Because mind you, you're out for the people who don't know, you're out on bond. Yeah, I'm out on bond. And it was like a $90,000 a bond? A $90,000 bond, yeah. And so, you know,

I ended up talking to my brother and I just decided to me just go on in there, you know. So running was an option for a little bit. No, I wasn't going to say it was an option. It was funny. I was listening to my partner in them, Kyle Vee, you don't. I'm saying, man, I ain't ran in all this time. You know, I ain't finished, you know what I'm saying, you know.

But you know, but you think about the what else. Yeah. You know what I'm saying, you know. And, but with their being said, you know, just going through, I mean, if you go back to the first day of a jury selection when I signed the deal for the 10 years. And, uh. Daw family rejected it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they rejected it.

You know, I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to sign the deal for the 10 years, you know. But it's like my attorney manning, he got a lawyer friend from Memphis name, Leslie Ballin. And Leslie worked on a case with him before. Might have been with Pac-Man Jones or somebody. But he came in the room, and he was like, Govan, you ever been to my office? And I said, now it isn't

no been in your office. He said, well, I got a pair of dice on my table. And he said, sometimes me and my colleagues, you know, we play dice. And sometimes we'll gamble a little bit. Not nothing major. He said, but when we do gamble,

you know one thing that I don't gamble. I said, what's there, Mr. Bellin? He said, nothing that I can't afford to lose. He said, go, van, you got. son, two sons that love you to death. You can't afford to boost your life. Take the 10 years. And so when he said that just me being in the streets,

it made sense to me. I play with my life. Why, you know, risk everything. If I can't do three and a half, four more years, then I should have been a deacon. To me, I was kind of surprised when I first heard you say that in the Vladder interview, just because from my perspective,

it's like if you really didn't do it and you really don't feel like they have any really truly convincing information that they're going to bring to the table, I don't know. I mean, I understand, like wanting to eliminate the chance of doing like a really

extremely long sentence or getting, you know, many, many decades, but shit, I don't know. It's just so hard for me to imagine pleading guilty for something that I didn't do.

See, you know, I was looking at it from, you know, the big picture, you know. With all the media coverage, negative media coverage, everybody's saying on the mastermind,

I felt like it was going to be hard for any normal person to put that to the back of their mind and say, let me give my verdict based off of what's in front of me. So there was

one of my biggest fears and one of the main reasons why I decided to sign for the 10 years. Because I just thought that the media coverage had, like, a major negative effect on my case and had me, like, handicapped, so to speak. So I just weren't at that point, you know, and then my lawyer, Mani, you know, Mani O'Rour or he, the whole time, Mani was like. like, we're going all the way. You know, I mean, he's like at the end of the day.

You know, you make the decisions. But if I'm in your shoes, are we going all the way? All way up until maybe a few days before trial. And I told him about a conversation that I had with my son. That conversation kind of made many change his tune a little bit. because he has an autistic son as well, but the conversation that I had was with my 15-year-old, not my autistic son.

And he was just like, you know, based off of the evidence that they had, if I lost and lose my life, you know, and be gone from my son, he was just like, you don't know, he just said it would have affected him. as well, you know, and he said he probably wasn't able to practice law anymore after that. And when he said that, you know, it kind of made me feel like, you know, he really invested and he really cared about me, you know, my son, and just knew that he was a genuine person for him to even say that, you know.

And because he asked me, he was like, oh, man, can you do some more time? I said, depending on how much it is, yeah, I can do it. And so when we came with the 10, I just felt like it was the best thing to do. I did it, and they took it to the family, and they said no. So here I am. Ever then lived, you know, it wasn't meant. I mean, it's got to be a crazy feeling for them, because they almost had the person who's the mastermind allegedly behind their guys.

death doing 10 years and then instead you're out here doing podcasts like their miscalculation there seems pretty intense although I also wonder like do you think that they unanimously agree that you're guilty that's like 100% the feelings everybody associated with PRE think that you're the dude too no not I can't say everybody because I've had conversations with people that's associated with paper route they know me they know me personally and they know they know they I wouldn't do something like that. They know I've always been a hustler.

I had $10,000 in high school. So for me to agree to $10,000 to take the life of someone as talented and famous as young Dau would be diabolical, ludicrous. Now, if you said a million or a couple million or something, then maybe we might have something to talk about. But $10,000? I can go and ask a friend for that.

Like, I don't have many friends, but I got a couple of them that in dire need, they would do it. So why would I go and try to take this man's life that got kids of his own? And it just ain't me. Yeah, I mean, we probably all kind of have a ballpark idea of, like, what people could get paid for murders. It's like, $10,000 is so. not worth the percentage chance that you get caught. It's not worth the danger that you're putting yourself into in that situation because obviously he's with people with guns that are going to shoot back at you or whatever.

I mean, just in general, it's like if you want to make 10 grand, I mean, especially somebody like you who's got a street acumen. I'm sure you could think of 10 different ways to make 10 grand that would be infinitely less risky. And, you know, and when they came from Cornelia, you got to judge it off a lot of the other lies that he told, like example in my trial when the lady that's like his

god, his grandmother testified and took the stand. If you notice when she took the stand she said a lot of great things about Connecticut about him helping her at the store with groceries and all of this.

A lot of good things. But when it was when she was asked about when he said that she received $800 and a note from someone related to Justin or associated with Justin

after the murder and he testified to this on the stand and it's in discovery this lady who has no dog in this fight, no interest at all said that that didn't happen. I don't know this lady.

it never met her one day in my life and so when she was asked about this and for her to say that she's fed Cornelius gave him shelter before

during the course of knowing him over 40, 30 some years if he said that she received $800 in a note he a damn lie so here it is we about to

possibly send someone to jail for the rest of their natural life based off of the words of him and he would lie on this old lady like his grandmother and involve her in this dangerous case all because of it's part of his lie for him to try to come home.

Not knowing that these people or I was going to hire private investigators like Quantrelle Fletcher, that was my private investigator. Like, and for them to go and dig and find out if these crazy things he's saying are true or not. So he didn't think that far. And so, you know, that should kind of put it more in perspective

of what kind of person we're dealing with. If you allow on an old lady like that, that's like your grandmother, and involve her and something like this for no reason at all. That's just crazy to me. How did you feel, did you know straight draw a brother in advance or?

Jamaricus? Yeah. No, no, no, no. I never met him, never seen him. Matter of fact, before the case, I never knew. That he had a brother? I never knew. I know he got a brother by his mom, you know,

but I think their brother there that testified against him. I think they got the same dad. So I never knew of them, never heard of them, you know, a day before in my life. So it wouldn't have been surprised for him to testify against that you know, that you wouldn't, you know, from the kind of person that I heard he is or whatever, it's not surprised. And, you know, from what I hear, I heard, he's, you know, was a good kid, you know, good person, working type of young dude or whatever the case may be.

So when you involve them kind of people like that and street shit, that's what happened. you know, they do what regular citizens do. So how'd you actually feel when you heard the not guilty being read out? I mean, it was just a relief out of my main, you know, leading up to that prior to that to kind of go back to the remote question. It's a feeling that I wouldn't wish on nobody. You know what I'm saying? Like, man, I don't been through. man Adam I don't been shot seven times I don't been in all type of shootouts

growing up in the orange mound community you name it I don't seen it I've been through it all and that feeling right there it's one thing to be waiting on a verdict and you could possibly get sentenced to eight years 10 years when you're waiting on a verdict and the rest of your natural life on the line. It's a whole different beast. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to have something.

And that's just like, shout out the whack. You know what I'm saying? Like, whack, I heard of someone online and whack was actually taking up of me, surprisingly. You know, whack was like, you know, y'all's sitting up saying, you know, he'll rat or an informant,

but he just dropped his nuts and went all the way to trial. the whole way. Like, you can't line, you can line 10 more niggas up and probably eight of them or tuck they tell and signed for whatever on the table. I went all the way.

If I wanted the easy route, I could have testified against straight drop and went home. Like, that was an option for me. I could have did that and got probation. I held my nuts and went to trial. So, you know, some of the shit they say just goofed out.

I mean, what was the logic by which they were calling you a snitch? I mean, maybe it's based off of, and that's a great question, Adam. So I was in federal prison before, right? And it's a certain TV personality. The other day, he showed something online where it was like, well, my name. was attached to some paperwork of a guy named Terrence Yobro. And that is true. And what happened with that is,

see, what they do is they tell you, they tell you half the story to try to make it seem, you know, favorable or sound good or whatever. They don't tell you the fact that he was a child buster. Well, I ain't going to say child. He pimped out underage girls. And they're not going to say that I made a phone call for him on my phone. There's a favor, like how we do in the blocks.

And they can't get through to their people. You know what I'm saying? Hey, bro, I make a three-way call for me. I make the three-way call for you. Just so happened, they are already listening to my phone calls thinking that I'm going to be calling and fish and my brother, big baby,

or, you know, or whatever the case may be. And when they hear me make this call for him and he get on my phone and call his sister and get to saying, erase the files out to computers, all the underage girls and all of this shit. And then

a few weeks later, they reach out to my attorney to sex crime police and he told me when I call home, that he wanted me to call. And so when I call, he told me that they reached out.

And I'm like, reached out to you for what? I don't deal with no six crimes. And he was like, calm down. It ain't about you. So when it was brought to my attention, what it was about. It was about the phone call that I made.

They played the whole phone call. And it was some things that were said on there that I don't think no male in this room would have said, especially about underage kids. And I said, that ain't me. And they said, well, we know it was not you. We just, you know, wanted to hear what you had to say. But from the perspective of the law, if it took place on your phone,

it's a fine line, right? Yeah, yeah. They feel like you officiated this phone call. Who's to say that you weren't basically standing right there listening? Or who said it's not you changing your voice? Oh, sure. You know what I'm saying? So they had to clarify it.

Yeah. And at the time, I was indicted for a gun, and I think I had some marijuana in my pocket. It's a 924G and a 922C. They gave me, it was offering me 15 apiece, 30 years. And when they said that if I made a statement, basically saying that that wasn't me, on that phone call saying inappropriate things about underage kids that that would help me out tremendously. Now, you go find me,

well, maybe there is another stupid-ass nigga around here that he's so real that he going to say, yeah, that was me on that phone call talking about underage kids. I mean, go find me one. You might can find one, but it ain't me. so that's where the so the whole snitching that you did or cooperating in quote unquote that you did was basically just saying that wasn't my voice on the phone right here exactly you know nothing for the I never I didn't testify at his trial or none of it that alone me clarifying that that wasn't me on their phone call turned my 30 years to five so you know because Ben knew about it. It ain't no secret. I stand on it.

I ain't no need going to do nothing about it. And it is what it is. Yeah, I mean, that feels like that's snitching accusation culture gone too far if that's going to be the kind of thing that people are taking issues with. Yeah. I know what they're, I know. I know one thing, like, I ain't him. I ain't, I ain't they real.

I ain't fin to say, yeah, that was me on the phone. So you got me fucked up. For sure. Whoever don't like it is, what it is. So, I mean, just in general, even before the verdict came out, you're dealing with the fact that you are now essentially a celebrity, especially in Memphis, but really kind of countrywide as well. After like your whole life, you were basically, you know, doing your thing without having a ton of eyeballs on you. Once you get not guilty, then all of a sudden it's like, there's opportunities for you.

Had you been thinking about that before? We just 100% focused on the case. And was it strange making the decision to start doing interviews and 20 versus ones and things? Well, I knew it was going to be, if I say that I wasn't aware that it was going to be some opportunities out there, I'd be lying. Right. One, I had already been communicating with Vlad during the case. Two, me and Brick Baby had already been chopping it up. Oh, really?

Yeah. From prison? No, before he got locked up. Got it. I didn't know it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was, this one he was running with, uh, Sharpe. Yeah, Sharpe.

Yeah, yeah, him and Sharpe was in Vegas and shit a lot. So me and Brick, we was chopping it up and he was like, man, yeah, man, we got to get you down on no jumper and woo, woo, and all of that, you know. So, yeah, I was aware that there was some opportunities out there for me. And, uh, and what person going to turn that down, you know, considering everything that I was. went through. Yeah, it's kind of like a little bit of a reward tour, a little bit of a victory lap

to be able to like have all these people interested in you, even though it's funny because like 20 versus 1 is basically like a dating show. And the idea of like taking someone who's you know, just beat a high profile murder. I mean, honestly, the Woody thing got me accustomed to whatever.

It's like, oh, so this fool told, went on, took the stand and just talked super crazy, spun the whole trial. I mean, after I saw that, I'm like, all right, anything goes now. But it's like, as it relates to Woody, though, you know, as far as him telling, you still

got to get Woody his props, though. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like... Nobody ever told as good as him. You're crazy. I mean, as the full picture, you know? I mean, I look at it like this, you know. Woody had his reasons for doing whatever he did in the beginning. But Woody so much of a good dude

And got a good heart Like he couldn't see himself Being the reason That thud went to jail for the rest of his life That's just the kind of person Woody is When Woody was on that stand saying, I don't recall, I don't recall

Woody ain't retarded at all You know what I'm saying? I have long, in-depth conversations with Woody You know what I'm saying? Woody, we pray together You know what I'm saying? all of that good dude, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I just feel like he, you know, he get a bad rap, so to speak, you know,

with a lot of people or whatever, because at the end of the day, whatever happened in the beginning of the case happened, but they don't speak on the fact that he's the reason that them, that them was free. They don't speak on that. You know what I'm saying? They always going to talk negative about him, and what happened in the beginning, but speak on the fact that he did what a lot of this wouldn't have did. He came back, stood on business, played like he was retarded of some mother and freed everybody.

Definitely not a strategy that anybody would have been able to predict. Correct. We didn't even know that the legal system could operate in such a way. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, okay, just as long as we're talking about the Woody thing, what's your perspective on all of the recordings that have come out of Thug and his interrogation tape and all of It feels like hip hop is kind of split between whether he deserves the snitch reputation or not at this point. Man, I think if Thug was a, if Thug was a rat, the whole Atlanta will be in jail.

That's just my personal opinion. I think Thug says some things. See, a lot of niggas that speaking on this ain't never been on 23 and 1 like we have. when you locked in a cell 23 hours a day and you get one hour and some days you might not even get the one if they short stale

you know I think thug was just on the phone with this girl just Venn just saying things like example like the shit he said about glow real look at like anybody look at glow ain't nothing

ugly about glow you know what I'm saying you know it's does thug have a certain standard of women that he probably date? I'm sure, yeah, you know, you're not, them exotic women or whatever, but I'm sure he probably was just, you know, just talking. You know, she was new in the game, and she probably wouldn't as beautiful then as she is now or whatever.

Maybe that's what he meant to say. She has had a glow up. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, when you get money, money, make you look better. You know, that's with anybody, you know. And so, but she was never ugly, you know. She just added the money to it and it's just kind of like enhanced certain things, you know.

So, yeah, but as far as, you know, thug or whatever, you know, I just think like the issue with him and baby, you know, the issue with him and a lot of his peers and friends, you know, it seemed like they kind of like unfollowing them and things like that or whatever, you know. Some of this shit, I think, is kind of being blown. out of proportion, especially like with baby when he called baby lame on the phone. You know, saying, I'm waiting on way I'm lame ass when he was trying to put the album out. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

You know what I'm saying? Some of it is getting blown out of proportion. You can read between it. Yeah, like I could be waiting on one of my homeboys come pick me up if he takes it too long. I don't know why ass, dick, lame ass. I love him to death, though. You know what I'm saying?

And if thug don't love nobody, you know he loves him. You know, so, yeah. I just think, you know, he's just getting a bad shake on, you know. We haven't seen, like, a lot of the people that he says shit about really, like, react to it, besides QCP, who's kind of the most extreme example. And it's also, like, the person that Thug might have said the most extreme shit about, because, you know, Dirk can't be too mad about Thug being frustrated about not getting a verse right away. Or even with Future, it's kind of like he did call him like a dumb parted-ass dude or some shit.

But he was... And the dead beat. But yeah, he was given his judgment on future having all these kids out of wedlock and shit, which if you're really homies, you probably should be telling your homie that. Like, you don't need to keep nothing in all these girls and stuff. I didn't feel like that was that extreme. But for QCP to realize that Thug and other people were talking about him and calling him a snitch behind the scenes, that that's probably the one that's not going to just go away.

Yeah. And it's like, but when you look at Thug, though, just, uh, Damn, baby, what was baby, a little partner name? Little Steve. One used to be with baby all the time. And, you know, Thug exposed him being a rat. And so Thug and always stood on the rat, the no snitching shit or whatever. So me, if Thug is who he say he is,

I don't think that's the first time that he's mentioned to Baby, his how he feels about Pete or whatever and uh for all we know baby might agree because baby's locked on a contract you don't really get to have an opinion exactly you know baby you know because baby quote quote unquote him deal with red seeth

and he don't follow QCP no more so we kind of see that him and QC that's serious see now I ain't know that that's music to my ears you know I don't follow each other on social media anymore you know so you know but but why now I mean you've been new

P cooperated you know and I don't know P personally you know or whatever the case may be but I mean

if that paperwork what they is showing is true because I do know they have doctor paperwork AI or more of the

in our generation now but if that paperwork is true in the interview that I've seen that the victim's done and all that is true then

yeah P talks Part of the crazy shit, too, is Thug, just saying everybody in Atlanta been known about that. It's new, he goes, Jay-Z might not have known until then, but everybody in Atlanta. About Pete Allen. About Pete Tallinn, allegedly. Yeah, I mean, they say it's old.

They said some old shit, you know what I'm saying? You know, oh, whatever. But like Pete said, oh, Pete said he ain't no street dude. He said he's a citizen. And from what Wack 100 say, you know, the same shit that apply the street niggas don't apply to citizens. So if that's what he labeled himself is, then, you know, he shouldn't be held to the same, I guess, standards, so to speak, or whatever. Maybe he's just a regular square dude that made the right investment in hip-hop.

And, you know, it is what it is. You think Thud could be calling Gunna, a rat, if he kind of on there saying, and, yo, I take my number down. I'll holl at you, just don't tell the world. And then Thud, and then Gunner did the same comment. of dross in this shit where he was like, yes, man. What's the difference to you? But, bro, you got to look at it like this.

Like thugs say, signing that piece of paper could have got him life. You know what I'm? It's different. Like, you... He stood up in court and said, Thug and I'm trying to label YSAL as a...

Label. Hibop. You stood up in court and said there was a gang. And I ain't saying what Gunna did is right or wrong because it made my bidding to be speaking on Gunna. Like, I don't know the man or nothing like that, you know. But if it was one of mine, my homeboy, how they was together every day, then I would have rolled that shit out with Thug.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like Thud's saying, I don't know if he was trying to get to the girl and the Mayback picking them up or what. But, you know, yeah, I would have rode it out with him, especially knowing that they ain't have nothing on Gano. That's the crazy part. Nothing.

You know, the only thing they had on them was one rap line or some shit he said in a lyric or something. Oh, they might ride that shit out. You've been partying

and, and, you know, the beautiful women in the world, it's time to take a break. Yeah, I think the thug interview

made Gunna look a little selfish. I think we all looked at Gunner like, damn. Yeah, just look at yak them and all of them. You don't think, you know,

what kind of deal? they offer yet. To say thug did and ordered this and ordered that. I know thug and yak ain't cool now, but, you know, yak held it down for the most part. I know the interview kind of looked crazy.

He did. See, that's the weird thing about the standard for snitching is that it's like you can be the best guy on the world 99% of the time, but if one time you sat down and said the wrong thing, one wrong sentence to a cop or during an interrogation room, or whatever, then that's going to be enough for them to basically

permanently write you off. And even in the case of like the trial, you've got examples of certain people who might have said I'm down to tell and then the rest of their behavior didn't really tell that story. It's just like with the, you can even say Rallo. Do I think Rallo or rat?

No. What I think Rallow did was try to finesse the system. And what we call in the federal system is getting the feds the time back to him. And I think that's what he tried. I think he tried to run a play. You know, they do it all the time.

You know, sometimes it go right. Sometimes they don't. Or whatever. And that's another thing. If Rala was a rat, I think a lot of niggas in the line of being jail. You know, so, you know, I just think, man, you know, they got a lot of goofy shit going on, young thug. He said some things in an interrogation or whatever.

did nobody get locked up behind it or whatever, you know. And like Thug said, you know, he told him and Rallo was going back and forth. He said, you know, I tried to free my man. You tried to fry yours. You know what I'm saying. You know, and I ain't saying that's what Rallow did. But, you know, yeah, I don't think Thug was saying nothing intending to try to incarcerate nobody. But see, you go back to the old days and the old his, like, you know, in the old law.

you know, like the conversation that that's being had in the interrogation room, like it won't even post to get that far. You know, like, in the old days, the real gangsters and, oh, can we talk to you? Call my lawyer.

You know, and ain't nothing else to be said after that. You wouldn't even get to the interrogation room. Ain't no spinning. Yeah, how can you get to the interrogation room without agreeing to go? You know, so, you know, so it's different, you know. versus back then and now. Yeah, I mean, even like the thug interrogation apparently took place when he was just walking through the mall.

He got pulled aside or into the back room for like causing the disturbance or some shit. And then he chose to just talk, like just tell him all kinds of shit. Now, his excuse is I didn't actually give him anything that got anyone arrested or convicted for anything. And if you really kind of drill down into most of his statements, it's like, okay, you're saying that P. Rosco was holding Wayne's drugs. Like, all right, that's not really like that crazy. They're not fending to go back. They can't go back and, you know what I'm saying?

Like that old goofy shit. Definitely not. What's that a misdemeanor? Yeah, definitely not the thing that like the average person is thinking of in terms of what you're supposed to be quiet with the cops or by like if you're just talking to him for hours and hours in general, you can't really blame people for. You know how much real street shit that Thug probably know about. Oh, yeah. That he could have told them people if he was really a rat. Yeah.

All of us. I mean, really all of us, if we had a gun door ahead, you could probably cough up a lot of stuff. Man, listen, if I was really me, if I was really, I've been running with real street dudes, streetcats my whole life. Yeah. We done, like, I got people, individuals that love me, like, cook food because they know that we done everything it is up under the sun,

and I don't been in those situations. I just was in one. You know, where I could. could have did and said some horrible things about people that I grew up with and then I got a relationship with, but I ain't, I ain't go that route. You know, I took it on myself, and I chose not to put none of my friends or any of that in jail just because I was in a jam. So all the young ball fans who even though you beat the trial and you beat the case,

and they still going to run with the narrative. I think this nigga guilty. I think he did it. Where the $100K at? Is it a thing for you to prove or do you care to, like, for them to know that you're innocent or you're just going to let them believe what they believe?

Like, how is it, how important is it for them to know? In the world that we live in now with the trolls, you know, I mean, I don't care, I guess, you know, because the internet, just the internet, you know. like I guess you can say like with the Wu situation I care about that to a certain extent

not that it's about Wu doesn't it? Because he, Wu is a little kid to me I got kids his age. You know what I'm saying? It's about the respect that I got for his mom

and his dad. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, so with that being said, you know, matter to me because if the shoe was on the other foot

I wouldn't want his mom or his dad to bring no harm to one of my kids but far as like some fans feeling how they feel about me I don't go to fuck about this shit you know it's like get in line

like people have been hating me my whole life ain't never bothered me ain't never had no type of negative effect on me because I'm gonna do what I want to do go where I want to go I pulled up to no jump

or the day by myself. This is true. You don't see no gang with me, no crew or none of that. I ain't never need, I ain't affiliated. I ain't no cripple of blood. I'm me.

Like, I ain't never needed no n-hole my n- It's like, I'm what you see and, like, across from you. But you're probably somebody who moves around very selectively

and intelligently in Memphis, I would think, right? L.A. is a different place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. you know, or whatever, you know, I mean, but even when I'm in Memphis now, like, I was just live the other day. You can go check my YouTube out by myself. Look a store wherever, wherever, wherever I want to go. Like, I haven't been, the narrative that I've been dodging and hiding is, and what I'm about to say, no, my lawyer, you're probably going to be mad at me. When I was on

house arrest, I wouldn't on house arrest. I wouldn't hide. I was, doing things that I wasn't supposed to do. I ain't never, and when I say that, I'm saying far as like, I might go get a bite to eat or, you know, or something like that, or if I need some clothes or something real quick, go shopping. And I wasn't supposed to be doing them little things. You know, if I would have got caught, it might have been trouble.

And when I say got caught, I'm talking about, like, about a judge or something like that or whatever the case may be. So I ain't been doing no hide and I don't move around with the military. in Memphis, you know, I move how I supposed to move, and it's dead on that, you know, but definitely not high. But you got to know that it's probably some of kids that's in Memphis looking to run into you, though, right? Like, do you feel that aspect of it, too? It's in Memphis that's looking to run into me. It's kind of hard for me to agree with that because it's like, it's a lot of things in Memphis that dislike me.

but far as like itching to have a collision with me, that ain't something that, I mean, I was strongly advised. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I ain't saying I'm the toughest or nothing like that, but who want to see a train wreck? I know I don't, you know what I'm saying? If I could do anything about it, and if you really, really, really wanted to find me,

mean you can and if somebody wants to do something to you i mean i'm sure from your perspective it's like wait until they run into you is one way to do it or they could you know they could they could wait around for you like you know how a really serious dude would go about doing it and it's not like there's a timeline on get back or whatever like they could wait a extended period of time to do something for you but ultimately like you going to the mall is probably not going to be the thing that causes this to boil over Because if they really wanted to do it, they could probably figure out how to go about it. I mean, you get, you get in Chicago.

How many shootings you know of in Chicago when they go to court and they lead court and get killed? Yeah, a lot. Here, too. Yeah, my, my court. More like fighting. You actually get to see gang members fight out here. My court dates, every last one of my court days was advertised on TV. I could have easily been found.

Like I said, I just seen three paper route associates a couple weeks ago. And, uh... Was Kenny one of them? No, I'm talking about Kenny Munner, a rapper. Mm-hmm. I'm talking about... Because who don't put their blood, sweating tears in the paper route.

Because it's from Castaella. You know what I'm saying? It's their own shit in Castalia. Like, they got actual paper route chains. And I seen them, and every last one on shook my hand. because they know me as a person, you know. Do they know what I did last some or no? They don't.

But me as an overall person, they know me and the quit that they know that I wouldn't conspire to kill someone for $10,000, especially someone that ain't done shit to me. They know that. So what's up with you with Kenny? Because I've seen you, you was on, I think, your page recently.

and you said that you had a video He can miss anything. I try to keep out as good as I can but like, uh, I guess you said you got a video of him and TZeezy getting into it and you're going to leak it. I'm like, you know, man,

and it's crazy. Like, well, all right, what made you even want to, he said something about you? Subliminally. You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't catch me.

On here? No, no, no, I know here, you know, and I ain't any chick his whole, his entire interview out on here. Oh, I've seen some of it, but he made a post. And it was like either the same day or the next day after my knocky or the verdict. You know what I'm saying?

And it was like a disappointment that I beat the case. And for one, I took offense to some of the things that he said in the post. Two, I'm looking like, okay, so let's say you that invested. And it off was your homeboy, yo, yo, your guy, you know what I'm saying? And you're going to ride and slide for him. why would you want me in jail? I did see the post. So basically he kind of said like Memphis, the city,

fell, let him down. So all right. So you feel like, all right, if you, you know what I'm saying? If you're going to stand on that, then he should want it in the streets anyway. Yeah, what I'm saying. That's kind of... Yeah, it's contradicting what you say in your music.

I feel you. So that was the post that made you go to that. Yeah, exactly. And prior to that, had no issue with the little homie. Like, you know, you know what I'm saying? Want to see him shine, get his money, do his music or whatever. We don't even know each other like that to have an issue.

So with that being said, that was my response, because I witnessed the fight. I seen it, you know, when him and Tease your fault about Tease the girl. You know, and Mike Tyson allows him to make any money, you know what I'm saying, less of a person or whatever. I just was letting them know, though. You know what I'm saying? You're just reminding him, hey, quit playing with me. Like, for real, for real.

Like, you know, I ain't got no issue with you, but I don't mind trolling with you. Like, we can do this shit. You know what I'm saying? Do you feel like the city of Memphis let Dolf down? With the straw? I don't because the two people responsible for being in jail. Well, the two people that's allegedly responsible. Yeah.

Been to be in jail for quite some time. So if you look in it like that, no, I don't feel like they doff down. What was the, all right? So you and Charleston might have been going back and forth. We ain't got to talk on it too much. But one of the things I did see him say that, I was like, what? He paid someone $3,000 to go to your daughter's gravesite and leave a bottle of piss? Man, if you believe it, then I taught Adam how to do this podcast shit.

Man, look. Definitely sounds like something he would say, but not actually do. Exactly. It's definitely sound, definitely, he, come on, you know, he'll say some. Yeah. This Charleston, we're talking about here. but uh no i when i saying that i definitely did the dashboard and went to the yeah i went and nothing was there nothing you know and you know and like you know i can't speak too much on

that situation but if that would have happened charleston would have had it recorded and it would have been great content for him you know bad content you know considering what it's about You know what I'm saying or whatever. But, you know, I'm going to say this and I'm going to leave that along. I think Charleston, a lot of the stuff he does is character. And it's crazy what I'm about to say. A lot of people wouldn't even expect for me to say this. But some of the things that he say when he get to saying things about kids and stuff,

I really don't think he mean it. I just really think he's just being character. your heart can't be like that and you still being successful. I don't think God would allow a person to be as successful as he is, knowing that his heart is riding like that. So I think he know what to say to create content and to make people come to his channel or whatever, but it's the same person that, you know, was saying that he was doing,

he wanted to do charity work in the beginning for kids and to help kids. But that type of work don't move the Internet. You know what I'm saying? What moved the Internet is when you come on now, they're SB, F*** the kids. Yeah. I was just watching them the other day, like going off on this crazy rant about Nipsey and talking about nipsy and fuck his kids and his girl and all this shit and I'm just watching it like

like I'm all about people saying edgy controversial things that other people aren't willing to say someone who's a real truth teller who's going to just say some shit that nobody else feels comfortable saying I love that this is not that this is just like dumb theatrical talking shit about somebody it doesn't feel believable to me it just feels like you're following this playbook of, oh, if I dis Nipsey, then people are going to pay attention to me. So I'm going to say Friksi a bunch of times. But there's just, there was no meat to it. There's nothing that really made me feel like you meant it.

It just felt corny. It's just like when we had the back and forth when I said some things that would happen if he did what he said he was going to do, you know. I came back and I made another video and kind of like Rickannett, dead and, you know, and apologized to his mom. or whatever, for some of the things that I may have insinuated because to involve someone else, you know, family members, let alone kids, you know, it's crazy, you know.

And to each his own, but to speak on what Vlad was just saying about the nipsy and all of it, it's just some things I couldn't stomach to do or say, you know, or whatever, you know, especially since nipsy gone and he did and all of that, you know, Charles and I think one day I don't know how long it'll be but I think maybe some years ahead Charles is going to come back and laugh at everybody

and tell everybody how he tricked everybody. You know what I'm saying? Because there ain't no way he could feel like that about kids. Just ain't no way. Yeah, and when people try to like kind of press them to explain himself in interviews, usually I'm kind of left just feeling like nah, this is just stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

For sure. You got anything you want to hit before we tap Flaco in on this? No, that's tap Flacco one. I'm not going to hear what Flaco got. Flacco just gave me some gang. Flacco bullshit. Flacco bullshit. You got to, huh?

22ster. What's up, G? I need these phones on. To hear him good, probably. Man, man, listen, man, just chilling, man. So Flacco, just to state the obvious, you've made hundreds of thousands of dollars off of smearing our friend here's name. Let's talk about it.

Hell no. Lock oh. Man, man. Man, listen, man. I made a silver nickel from me, Bobby Rudolph. Listen, I don't think I slander. Now, again, I would say this, though. I was wrong about the stuff that we can't talk to talk about now.

I was wrong, and for that, bro, I do apologize. I feel me? Bro, it had nothing to do with the murder in Houston, you feel me? And for that, you feel me? And I was 100% wrong, you feel me? But at that time, bro, shit, bro. Like, bro, listen, man, things happened just way too fast, and folks got to speculate, and you feel me?

So for that, I was 100% wrong, you feel me? For even doing like a video trying to implicate this man and some shit that he had nothing to do with. For that I was wrong. You feel me? Now, the Dolf shit, I'll be real, bro. I feel like Quatt is one of the saviest criminals I think we've ever came across in hip-hop media ever, right? Fan, listen, how do you catch a man for murder?

And if the plot was, hey, come to the crib, we talk about it and I'll speak about it again until the murder is done. Shit like that is almost impossible to catch especially. and if the prosecutors are Nymwitz. But for anybody to sit here and say that quite had nothing to do with it, you're out of your mind. I mean, that's just another one of your dumb-ass opinions, I guess, so to speak. And what you have a right to, you know, you wasn't there.

You're going off what you see. And before you came on this, I guess, what this would be considered? live or Zoom or some shit. Yeah. Before you came on here, I think I made a statement to Remo and Adam. Blocko, I've been in the streets a long time.

Yeah. And how old are you, Flaco? I'm 22nd. 8 right now. Oh, you're 28. Oh, okay. I'm 45. So when I first got in the streets, you, I don't even know if you was thought about it, but

with that being said, it ain't no way in hell. I'm going to go on a drill or conspire and plan a drill and agree to park the car across the street from my house. Like some shit just don't make no sense, Rocco. Like, you got to stop going with what look good for clickbait and what's attractive to sit out. I think you are intelligent enough and smart enough

to be able to dissect certain things and make sense out of it. Like, you may not be a savage street guy, a criminal, or whatever it was. You just characterized me as, but I think you got enough sense that where if you decided to go on a drill, you're not going to park the homicide car across the street from your house. Man, hell not. Phil, look, bro, like, that assumption will be us making the assumption that street nags are smart. Street nags are stupid, right?

again, you was not on the drill. Straight drop and Cornelius was. Those the Ninkoops. Those the idiots. They were the ones who parked the vehicle, right? So after, I don't mean to cut you out, so after they parked the vehicle, and let's say I did play and conspire or whatever, right? Yeah, of course.

So when I realized that, in your words, Nick Campoots parked the car over there. Yeah. Do you know how many resources that I have if I wanted to how fast I could have got their car moved. How? I got at least 10 different partners with tow trucks

that would have came and moved their motherfucker for me at the drop of a dime. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, pause. Again, this is where we go back to again. If you're saying, hey, how could you think that I'm dumb enough to park this car here? then I'll ask you, how can you think that somebody is stupid enough to take a legal business and come help tow a murder vehicle away and jeopardize their legal business and everything

they got going on and be an accessory to murder after the fact? And I'm saying it's this, if there are people stupid enough to jeopardize their entire business doing that, then why wouldn't we think that you're dumb enough to say, damn, bro, like, I can't drive this motherfucker out of here because I'm not dumb enough to hop in a murder vehicle and drive it away. And if you try to get a legal business to tow it away, then they're idiots too, right? So hence,

if you're saying there are people stupid enough to tow it away, then why can I say there are criminal stupid enough who would shoot somebody in broad daylight, they'll be dumb enough to park a vehicle there. But here, though, right? So the question for you, right?

No, I agree with you. It is some individuals that are stupid enough to park the car across the street from because we're talking about them but we're not, you're not conversating with an individual that's stupid enough to

allow that to happen, agree to that at all, no way, shape, form or fashion. Like, I've been doing... I have a question for you, bro. Right.

Go ahead. So you said that you and Dolph was on good terms before his death. That's not what I said. What I said was is that, uh, over the years throughout the course

of being in the streets and hustling, me and Dauph have did business together as it relates to marijuana in the streets. We were never best friends. We never woke up and called each other and seen how the other person was doing

or any of that. If we ever had a conversation that met up, it was solely about marijuana and we maybe stayed around each other five minutes at most. no sure but before doth death was you and doth at least on a cordial high and by basis

if you've seen each other if we see if i before his death if i seen doth and we were in the same space then yeah we would speak yeah cool all right cool um we would have spoke because we we didn't we it was never a situation where i can't think of after the last time i met him on night on and that was years ago like you know how long doth been getting money and so he ain't been in the streets like there for a minute so uh with there being said after that we were

never in a space where but uh it was never an issue or a situation where if we did see each other that we wouldn't uh at least acknowledge each other sure and that right there will say y'all was on some type of, again, rather it's best friends or not, y'all was cool, right? Because, right? Because, again, if, if I see somebody who I don't like, we're not speaking, right? Like, we, like, we, like, we, like, we would have to be somewhat cool on some type of friendly basis to where if I see you, we would dab up and shake hands and speak, right? So, y'all was cool. Yeah, we definitely, uh, again, your, your definition of cool and my definition of cool might be different.

Sure. So my cool, just because I know you, and we may have did, had a few transactions in the past or whatever, I would say, you know, I guess, cordial, so to speak, maybe, you know. My definition of cool is, well, I guess to a certain extent you could say that, Flacco, in all fairness to you, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? If we seen each other, we had no reason at all not to speak. All right, cool.

So what's your relationship with a COTZ? CETS is deceased. No, no, sure. But like prior to him dying, was y'all some unc and nephew ship? Was your day-to-day partners? What was your relationship with C-O-TZ? prior to him getting killed, I was out on bond. And so, of course, I wasn't communicating with no individual, nobody related to the case at that point.

Huh? No, wait, though. Sure. You're saying, you're saying before Dolf got killed. No, no, no, listen, sure. But, again, being out on bond really has nothing to do with the question. what was your relationship, right? Was your relationship?

It has a lot to do with the question because when I was out on bond, I couldn't associate with anybody of the sort if I wanted to conditions of the bond. No, hey, listen, sure thing. But if I seen, to answer your question,

if I seen Teezy somewhere while I was out on born prior to his death, then, yeah, me and Tizi could have had the same. conversation that we've had previously. We just wasn't in communication because of everything that was going on. I didn't care to communicate with him. You know, it was a lot of things that were done, a lot of things that were said, a lot of things happened, and things change.

I think you're downplaying, like your connection to TZeezy for a reason. For example, TZ often posted that you were, his OG you are one of the people that he trust the most TZ even said You know what you there was

He posted that That was in 2000 That was in 2016 When I was going to turn myself In the federal prison Sure sure Wait wait Again things happened

Over time No no no No no wait though Hey wait though Wait though Sure thing But y'all was at least close enough to her bro

TZ is spam posting about Man listen man When When Quack I'm home I'm going to toss him the keys for 2020 bands. You feel me? So he had that much respect and y'all was that locked in to where I don't feel like,

bro, coming home and not speaking for a few months, bro, is going to, like, say, hey, like, we're like, we're not as close. No, y'all were still very close, right? Like, that was a little bro. How can that be my little bro when his name was on the witness list? Huh? Honda, you heard me? I said, how can that be my little bro if his name was on the witness list?

and he betrayed you, cool, but prior to you knowing he betrayed you, how long do you, you don't know how long, you don't know how long, you don't know how long I knew. His name was, you don't know how long I knew that

or how long I knew that information. You don't know, it's several reasons. A lot of things that tease it may or may have not done to make, to make me put distance between us or so make me not

reach out to him when I got out on, when I got on a bond. When I got out on bond, I wouldn't, I wouldn't jump in at the opportunity or hang it with no motherfucker that might put me in a situation to violate my bun. If I, if, here, go ahead. Wait, wait, here. No, I'm talking about before young dogs death, for example.

I just asked you that. If you're talking about before young dogs, then that was my little brother. Yeah, for sure. Facts, cool. Y'all was locked in, right? Yeah, that was the little homie, yeah. All right, cool. what was your

connection to D-Money and J-Money? I mean, we all grew up in Orange Mound together. They was, you know, they, you know, they were younger, a lot younger. I know they, I know their parents, got respect for their parents. You know, just, you know, I don't know how it is in your community growing up, but, you know, the younger kids, they kind of look up to the older guys with the nice cars and the hustlers and things like that. So, and DeMoney and J. Money were very close friends with my nephew, J.Qaeda.

And that's where basically, I think, the closeness of the, I guess, relationships, so to speak, because they were best friends with my nephew, Jaquiz. In fact, and you and his mom was close, right? Me and whose mom? and D Money and Jay Money's mom. Yes, Michelle. Yeah, yeah, that's my, that's like my place sister, yeah, for sure. Man, facts.

Cool. And then how close was you and Straight Drop? I mean, straight drive was the Little Homie. Sure, like, you know, like, and he was signed to you at some point, or like y'all was, like, in, like, I guess like a business, right? No, he wasn't ever signed to me. We were just trying to, uh, trying to put something together, trying to put a deal together, a music deal or whatever,

where me and my brother would get a certain percentage for investing, you know, in the talent or whatever. In fact, right? Cool. And based on post, and based on everything that we know, everybody around you absolutely detested young Dolph. Tizi posted how much he hated Dolph. Straight drop posted how much he hated Dolph.

Camisia, right? Can you show me, can you show me the post from the drive? dropping teas. Wait, though, right? Wait, though. I'm waiting. Look, wait, though, right? So look, right?

Look, Comisia hated Doff, right? And that was your play system. I don't, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, Michelle hated Doff. I think, and I can't. She didn't hate him? I don't think, I can, I don't think she hate him,

and I can't speak for her. What I think you are talking about is, see, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, starting to piss me out because you're speaking on some things that you have no knowledge of because you're from wherever you're from and you don't know what's going on in the Orange Mount area. Her son Jay Money was on the front line for Duff and did whatever he did for Dau, protected him whatever, etc.

Sure. So when her son get killed and these same dudes, these rich millionaires get the pump faking, and tucking their tails and hiding and not answering their phone when it's time to bury her son, then, of course, she's going to feel some way, would you? But it extends beyond that, though. Yes, I'll feel away. How do you know what it extends beyond?

Sure. She said it. So, again, she says. Where are you from? Where are you from, Flaco? What, though? No, no, we're going to wait, but where are you from? Please answer that.

born in Liberia, moved to North Dakota, moved to Philly, moved to North Dakota. So I'm back and forth, right? You feel me? I don't believe none of it. I don't believe none of it what you just said. I ain't no way you was born in Liberia,

but go ahead, Plago. No, no, no, no, no, no, but the look, though. No, but the look, listen, though, she publicly posted that she believed that young golf was in business with Big Unk. And she posted that she believed that Big Unk was responsible for D. Money's death. Now, if you are a mother and you believe that young Dolf is signing or doing business with a man

who she believes is responsible for her son's death, whatever she's expressing her dislike, her distaste or, you know, her hatred for Dolf, it extends past, man, Dauphin, picking up his phone for her, no funeral. No, she believed that this man betrayed her son, J. Money, because J. Money was protecting Dolf. She believed that, you know, that Dolf, all that family something and dog did wrong. So now I'm saying whether she believed that or not, I can't, you know what I'm saying, what you're saying,

I can't sit up here and tell you that what you're saying is not accurate, Flaco. What I can tell you is, is that Michelle is a working lady. And no matter how she feels or disgruntled

about whatever, she's not fend to take the initiative. to get in street business and try to have multi-millionaires killed. No, but she's a working lady. You're a gangster. But she, what I'm saying is, even though she's a working lady and I'm the gangster, she still would have to suggest that or advise me, and she's not that type. She can be upset about somebody short-handed her son,

or she could be upset about Dolf signing something. someone that may or may not have did something to de-money or whatever, but you can't, for you to sit up here and to try to create a theory like this lady advised me or ask me or anybody else for that matter to do something to do off, then you ain't, that ain't, that ain't cool. That's another one of your- Well, here's what we know to quit, okay? So here's what we know so far, okay?

Okay, go ahead. So, again, common sense will tell us that if your play sister, somebody who, who you going over to have dinners and lunch with, if that play sister hates a man so much because that man is in business or signing the man who killed her son. She didn't hate, though. She disliked what he did. She disliked what he did. Well, what, what, what? Again, your place sister hated that man.

I don't believe leave you see that man and shaking his hands. So I do believe this, yo, me and Dolph was cordial and cool. That's a lot. drop. Your artist hated Dolph. So I'm saying... What was Dowell what was Dowell? What was Drop reason for hating Dawf? Again, all

I can say is, it sounds like Drop is Trulamafia and Trulamafia turned on Dolph after the D-Money and J-Money shit. Again, that's my theory. But again, no, that don't matter, though. The theory is, everybody around you hated Dolph.

Everybody around you had a reason why they wanted to go after Dolf. It doesn't make sense for you to now say, all my partners hated Dolf, but I'm the nigger who was cool with Dolf and I would shake Doth hand and how could you think that I would do this? No, your play sister wanted him gone.

Straight drive. See, see, I see that's what we're not going to do. You're sitting up saying that Michelle wanted Dolf did. You're not fend to do that. And I ain't fin to sit here on this interview with you and listen to you say that you don't. You don't. You don't know her personally. You know what I'm saying? She was celebrating when he

passed away. Do you want to see it? Show it. Let me see it. Yeah, I do. Show me the celebration. Here, here, watch real quick. Okay. I'm about to... You already said I'm getting overtime anyway, so we cool. Take your time. No, no, no, right here. You feel me? Look, I'm about to go to my Young Dolph documentary, you feel me?

Again, it's one of the best documentaries to ever get dropped. You feel me? Check it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it is. All the damn clickbaiting. This really was, like, the story that he kind of, like, made his name on YouTube with... For sure. For sure.

He's kind of gone on to cover a wide variety of things. But this was like his first time getting a million muses. Yeah, yeah. That's why he's so invested in. Yeah, yeah, for sharing about it. Wait, wait, pause. Come on now, bro, like, I'm not that invested. You're so invested.

You're so invested. You know where other people thinking in their mind. That's how invested you are. You're making up words and statements and shit for people. And you're in their mind. Would you a psychologist? And look, she was very upset at Dothman. I don't want you to show me to celebrate.

I got to go to like my documentary, film me. Okay. I was not expecting him to like him to deny, like not seeing her post about the one second. I could cool. And I ain't saying it didn't happen. I just want you to show me. I ain't never seen it. Oh.

I said, I'm not saying that it didn't happen. It just would surprise me. She don't, she don't strike me as to be the kind of person that were going to celebrate. young dogs deal. Wait, I look, right? Look,

right? Look. So, Pound Pound says, long live J. Money, he would have had these streets

crying about Dolf. And she responded back with the scally emoji, with the daddy, right? And says,

um, he so didn't make them cry about him, shrug emoji. That shows somebody who clearly, at that point,

man, don't give a fuck about Dolph. And now next, look, look, look, look. Look. And then Palpown says, damn, shall? Because he's even taking a back by her shrug. And if I'm like, it's like, eh, he's dead.

So what? I'm going to fuck. So then she says, yep, the uncle Danny who he just signed, right? So again, and she's telling him, palpal, Dolf just signed a who killed D money. So I'm saying, bro, your play sister

What I'm saying is you still They haven't showed me The post where she celebrated Dals Dahl's death Niggins is it right there, bro. Again. Was there a celebration? Did y'all just hear a celebration? Bro, I said right there.

Did you, be honest, Remo, I know that's your coworker. Be honest, Remo. Keep a G. Yeah, listen, bro. Thank you. Remo. Remo just said he hasn't seen a celebration.

I said it. You're the only person. on here that has you just took that as a celebration. Post, is this Facebook or Twitter? What was she posting on this on? Is Facebook, if somebody say, yo, long-lived Dolph, and she responded back with shrugging emojis. Like, yeah, so.

What she responded back saying was, what you just read verbatim was that somebody said that Jay Money would have had the streets like bleeding about Dolph if he was here, right? She responded and said, said that... And he said long-lived, Dolph.

She responded and said that Dauph didn't do the same thing for J. Money. What part... I don't give a... What kind of emoji? What part of that

is her celebrating young Dauce death? The skull emoji and the shrug emoji. That's not a celebration. You know they got... You know they got celebration emojis on,

on social media, right? Confetti. Confetti. If she wanted to celebrate. Listen, Listen, pause, bro. The shrug emoji sound, listen. That's more like ambivalent.

That's more like she don't give a fuck. She don't care. You said celebrating. You said celebrating. That's what you said. If someone says long-lived dolphin, you say, bro, you don't like this man. Fine, cool.

Past that, bro. Why do everybody around you hate young dog by you? The better question is, what reason why I had a hey young dolphin? I'm a grown-ass man. I don't be involved in little kids' beef. And I damn sure ain't no motherfucking rapper. Because your play sister,

I don't give a fuck about what nobody else. We're talking about me. We ain't talking about no play sister. We ain't talking about no drop. We ain't talking about nobody else but me. I'm a grown-ass man. And can't nobody put no battery in my back and make me feel how they want me to feel.

By you being a regular square, a motherfuck and Mike can put a battery in your back and drive you and make You feel how they want you to feel, but not me. I'm 45 years of age. I make my own motherfuck of decisions. Can't nobody tell me how to feel about nobody else. So it's to kill off.

You said what now? And you chose to kill golf. We understand, but I'm saying, listen, don't do this interview saying I had no reason to do it. When I just showed you your play sister, damn, fuck with them, everybody around. Hey, you went to, you know what? You had to go to school. You had to go to school for psychology because you just intensive. trying to say things to trigger me.

And you want to put this shit on your channel so your channel can go viral. I ain't been to be no, I ain't going to be a part of it. And, uh, just don't lie and say, yo, me and Dolph was cool before his death.

What you mean, lie? I know daddy, yo, I know the leader of paper route. You can go ask Daddy O. Get him on an interview. I'm sure you got access to it.

He'll tell you. I ain't got to tell you. You are a clown from Liberia, like you said, that don't know shit that's going on in Orange Mound. Get somebody from the other side. Ask them. Go ask Daddy-o, the leader of paper route is what I'm saying is true.

And we can put an end of this, flaco. I ain't got to keep going back and forward with you. Didn't you just have surgery? Yeah. You shouldn't be arguing with me going back and forth for me over some shit that you have no fucking knowledge of. You're going off of the, you're going off of the internet. And you're going off of the internet.

You don't know nothing. No, it ain't no facts. You ain't in nobody else's mind. You ain't in nobody else. head. You ain't in nobody else's head. You got somebody else. You got something else you want to talk about because this becomes redundant. Go ahead. I'm listening. Go ahead. Yeah. Facts. So again, just to wrap up my theory here. Okay. It's impossible for you to say, y'all can't figure out why I would want to do something to Dolphin. We were cool. When we just named everybody around you, including your play sister, who hated that man to the point, right, who hated that man because she believed that he signed her son's killer. Where you was over her, trip daily eating at good gum. Man, okay. How do you know?

How do you know I was over there daily or once or twice to get a plate? How do you know that? Tell me that. How do you know, because I made a post one day saying that I was coming to get a plate? How do you know, how does that equates to daily? Yeah, there is. Yeah. How does that equate to daily?

Daily? How does that equate to going over that daily versus once or twice to get a plate? Because technically speaking, I've only been over. No, let me get, no, let me finish. Technically speaking, I've only been over Shell's house. about three or four times out of my whole fucking life. That, that, that, that, that, that goes back to the point

that you don't know shit about what goes on in Orange Mound. You're only going off of what you see on the internet. You are internet, and this internet shit that got you in several situations when they came up here, sneakers came up to no jumper. Man, we ain't gonna do that. We ain't gonna do that, we ain't gonna do that, floc.

Man, listen. I ain't, I ain't saying you ain't no gangster. I ain't, I ain't, I know you. Hey, I know you the toughest. I know you the toughest worker in No Jumper. I know that. I know that. Yeah, I'm ducking your smoke.

All won't no problem with you, Placo. I got you. I got you. I want no problem with you. Hey, hey, but you don't lost a little weight, though. You might be in my weight class right now, though. It's just the beginning. Oh, yeah, see, I want him when he'll be a duck when he's down to my side.

I tag his ass and something. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, listen, bro. I'll be real, bro. Bro, you knew to show up at no jumper when I was. gone because of

Oh, man, God. Oh, dang. Oh, God. Oh, okay. So I got the schedule. I got the schedule. I know when you, I know when you was going

to get the lap band. I'll be real. How the hell do I know that? I'll be real, bro. When you was in LA, I called Ceti. I said, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, where he at? Boy, Cady was ducking me.

How the fuck you're going to call Citi? How are you going to call somebody that's hiding for me? Stop it, bro. Stop it, bro. Now, stop it, bro. Listen, there was a play, though.

That was a play. Listen, that was a play. No, I don't know what you're talking about. No play, because I don't play. I don't play. I don't play. I don't play. Well, see, that, that's another one of your theories.

But listen, hey, but check this out, though. Listen, slow down. You said I came to no jump today because you wasn't here, right? Ducking the smoke, well, okay, ducking the smoke. All right. Well, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to try to make it my best to create. to create some more content

to get Adam and Remo to want me back. And you make sure you have your big fat ass hero when I come. I'll leave that though, from you too small, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, you, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, you probably's going to be some Canelo versus Bulls shit when I get back, because you sing like you're losing, you losing rapidly. So, and, uh, and I'm happy for you, though, for real shit. But yeah, I'll be back, though.

Hopefully I'll be back. And then if you, if you want to get the issue, hey, look, I just, It's so much, it's a pool table out there. It's so much, fucking room. Ain't nothing but space in there out there. And if I, listen, no, hold on. If I let your big slow ass beat me in a fight,

then I will not be allowed to get back on a plane and go back to Orange Mound. A nigger like you couldn't beat me doing nothing but eating Twinkies. I'll be real to quit. I would smack the fire out of you by, that's right. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, why you ain't smack, why you ain't smacked the shit out of that niggia to spit on you? Adam, nigga. Why you ain't smack that

a nigga that spit on you? Like Adam a schedule. Why you ain't smack that that spit on you though? Back in the schedule. Why, hey, let a nigga spit on me. I bet they have CNN up at this

morp. Who spit him? Let a nigga spit on me. I bet they have CNN up here. No, nigga spit on me and not die, my nigga. Listen, that's cat.

Can no nigga spit on my room? Did somebody sit across from him and spit? Ain't no spit. He said it didn't touch him, but I. But did somebody spit, though? Yeah, yeah. No matter what, no matter what, hey,

Flaco, where I'm from. No matter of, If it touched you up a nigger even Do a... Wait, wait. Library. I'm from Liberia. I'm moved to North Dakota and then I'm back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm a lot of quit. Huh. I go out of quit. Piero is spanking you boys, bro. Who is you boys? I'm not CMG. I'm not CMG.

I'm not CMG. I'm not CMG. Huh? Look at you, look at you over there. You're trying to think of some shit to say to trigger me. Man, I don't care nothing about that goof-ass. shit you talk about, babe. Hold on a quack.

Hey, man, doctor's advice you do not supposed to be doing. You do not supposed to be doing that shit you, you just had surgery this morning. Tizi called you unc every day on Facebook. Tizzy died. Why you didn't slide just for TZeezy?

Hey, we're going to get you in a Tubby movie, boy, the way you're sitting over the acting. Because before the cameras this, before the cameras and shit came on, you weren't like this, floco. That gay and shit. Flocko, you was just so, hey, you were so nice and humble.

You were so nice and humble. You were so nice and humble before the cameras came on You was a buster, quit I'll be real mad. Hey, listen. No, hey, look, why you let Adam schedule this? Ain't no way of hell if I was working for Adam, I would have let Adam schedule me when I wasn't at work.

Man, Adam would have got to, man, Adam would have had to fire me. Adam would have to fire me. And you doing interviews, but. Because I ain't scared. Why are you, homies? Why ain't hiding? Why ain't hiding? See you in the car

With the windows And the folio on, nigger hiding Oh, no, no Hey, hey, hey, Hey, hey, hey, Hey, Hey, no, you just said

you were a gangster, right? Man, hold on, no, did you just say you was a gangster? Well, man, answer the question, answer the question, Flaco,

no, did you just say you was a gangster? Man, what are the skull is for? What are the skull is for? What are the skulls is for? What are the skulls is for?

What are they used for? Again, quack. Answer the question, what are they used for? To hide. And what else? And what else? To hide. And what else?

To hide. Use a goofy if you don't know to answer to that question. If you can't logically or legitimately answer that question, you either are goofy or you don't want to say that other reason because you know it's more than one reason why that's being, why that's being worn. You not doing that. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Okay. So how do you know? So how do you know? Huh? How do you know? Because you're podcasting a week, nigga. You're not sliding, nigga. You're definitely right.

I for sure ain't sliding. I ain't doing no slide blocker. I ain't doing nothing this shit. I'm podcasting. I ain't on nothing. Hey, I ain't in, hey, listen, I ain't in tour with nobody. I ain't trying to slide.

I ain't slid. I ain't seen a gun since Mara Lou the King got shot. Or none of that. I don't want no trouble. I'm the softest, you around, bro. I got a $5,000. bet for you quit a $5,000 bet. Okay, what's the bill?

If you go live in Memphis for 30 minutes, I'll give you 30 times. Listen. Hey, hey, hey, hey, okay, listen, okay, listen, okay, this is what you're going to do. This is my best friend. Come on. Okay, listen, I want you to, okay, put your,

you believe in Christ, God, right? No. You don't. You don't believe in God? No, God, yeah. Okay, okay, all right. I want you to swear to God that you're going to say. that you're going to send your $5,000 to Adam, and I'm going to send my $5,000 to Adam,

and I'm going to go immediately, as soon as I get back to Memphis, I'm going to go back, and we're going to go live for 30 minutes, hanging out the sunroof. Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I would be the escrow. Standing on the, standing on the block, standing on the block. He already trying to hide. Now, out of the sunroof, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, bro. Where are you on, Matt Fleco? outside at McKita's cookies.

Go outside and McKita's cookies for 30 minutes. You see how that sound. Even you said, ah, that's my mother, come on. Yeah, that's the shit of goofy or say. That's the shit of goofy or say. See, only a goofy lame name would say, go stand at Mercita's cookies. Babe, hey, the only reason.

Bro, he said out the sunroof. He's trying to hide in the vehicle and drive off. Okay, well, I tell you, okay. All right, now listen, no, you're trying to backped on the bed. All right, this is what we're going to do. We're going to rearrange this shit. just for you. All right.

So when I get back, you're gonna send your $5,000 to Adam. I'm gonna send Adam 5. I'm gonna go on my block for 30 minutes. Sure, okay. And go live. Yes. We got a bit.

Yes. Outside for 30 minutes. Yeah. We got a bit. All right. Say no more. Hey, hey, hey, listen, that's what? Bro, I fuck what you there.

That's the easiest. I just did it the other day, you damn idiot. Go on my YouTube channel. Go on my. Matter of fact. it with 40 minutes. 40 minutes. Well, listen,

bro, quit. Hey, listen, we ain't got to do the back and forth and all that we got a bet. Matter of fact, matter of fact, I got a video on my channel right now for 40 minutes. I really already won.

But I'm going to go do this shit again just to show your goofy ass. Just to show your goofy ass. All right, all, all right, all, I got you. Peace all, Adam. All right, peace out. Jeez.

Wait, how do I leave this? This is. Oh, man. That was. more conversational than I expected it. I thought he was going to be chilling, especially with the way it started. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do it was going ahead. You know, we need to go viral, babe. Yeah, I need you did that, man. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Hell, yeah, that was a good one. I mean, he, he challenged you. He said, you already got the live, but you said you can't do it again.

Man, can you think I ain't going to get that fine? He once Adam tell me that he has received $5,000 from Flaco. Oh, yeah. I'm sending mine immediately. I'm on. his ass. Flocko, we need that deposit. I'm on to a little bit.

We got to, I want to see this. I'm going to earn an interest. You know, Flacco. In the meantime. Flocker ain't going to do nothing other sort, man. Yo, that's crazy, bro. I can't wait. Yeah, that's a good interview, though, Adam.

I like that. That's fun. Yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. I like it. Appreciate you coming up. What, uh, okay, where, where do you feel like your story goes from here?

Like, what are you interested in putting your time into and what new opportunities have arisen as a result of all this attention? Oh, well, I got, I'm talking to, um, someone in particular about a book during a book about everything about my life and how it kind of overlapped into the young dog shit and all of that shit, you know what I'm saying?

And so that's, you know, that's basically, that's basically, you know, talking to a couple people about, you know, possible documentary, shit like that, you know what I'm saying? Anything outside of it did and just regular little podcasts. really, nothing too much, you know what I'm saying? You enjoy the 20 versus 1?

I mean, it was, it was different. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't, uh, the business was ugliest. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It seemed like they set them chicks up to ask you some of the questions. They were asking on there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every 20 versus 1's got some pre-planning at this point, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. But that, but I'm going to keep it all the way, G, if he did, he didn't, he didn't tell me, you know what I'm saying? it was raw, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, so that's why I sort of laughed at the one chick when she was like, what happened to the other thousand?

I'm like, man, they were. I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't expecting that. I didn't expect that one off the ribs. She's like, where the hundred thousand that? But off camera, though, she was, she was cool, though, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever, the case may be. So, yeah, it was a different experience.

So, whatever, yeah, yeah. He got a lot of backlash for there, too, because he puts the young Dolph clips and stuff in the middle of the 20v1 and a lot of the Dauph fans and family and stuff was like, you know, they don't have an issue

with him doing his content, but, and then his caption, he even said something about Young Dauphin the caption. Yes. Yeah, yeah, so they didn't really, they weren't really rocking with this. So he had to re-edited it and even put it back out. Oh, shit, okay.

Damn, all right. Let's end this on a positive note. What do you think is, something that could probably slow down some of the violence going on in Memphis and maybe prevent some of this shit from happening. If you guess, well, if Goddy and Dauph could have came together prior to this, like someone was trying to get done. And to clear that up, it wasn't Zach Randolph.

Because then you said the NBA player, what NBA player was it? I can't, you know, I can't give his name him because I rock with him. And he ain't on nothing negative, you know what I'm saying? but it definitely wasn't Zbo. You know, I'll say this. It was a positive person. And he got a lot of stuff going on, so I don't even want to, like,

associate his name with no type of hip-hop beef or deaths and all of there or whatever. But it definitely wasn't Zbo. Like, what's the, uh, a general to-do job you have in Stan G up here? Yeah. Are you going to box him?

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I was texting you, asking you to put it together. Yeah, I feel like I'm kind of not going to take on the boxing promoter challenge. Yeah, yeah. I should, honestly. Yeah, yeah, you should because I know, I was telling you how profitable it could be. You know what I'm saying?

Me kicking Stan G is. I mean, like, I mean, we could just, you know, if he gets some money from somewhere or some sponsors, we can really just do it out in here in no jump. Should we not believe the words that come out of Stan G's mouth? Do you think he's a cap artist? Man. Anytime it's the same dude

that go on there and say that he the biggest. But I got messages of you and my managers DM right now big in the work. But you're the biggest. This is the same dude that said that I was in

federal prison with stupid Duke. when I was just on bond. It's the same dude to just come to the internet and just say so much BS that it just don't even make sense. Like, it's the same dude that was on Mari. Like, I can't believe

I'm at a point in my life where I'm actually even discussing a nigga that was on Mari. Like, and he just, you know, like, as far as knowing him, from the city, never heard of them, never seen them in the trenches, never did nothing, he ain't, you know, I mean, so with that being said, I believe in something, I mean, he,

he'd do it to himself. I mean, he doesn't put out several things about me that was just blatantly false. You know, like, you sit up and say, I'm in federal prison, and I call you two minutes later. and then I ask you why why would you say that? And he said because the streets told him Who the hell is the streets?

You know what I'm saying? St. G's in his own streets, man. Yeah, yeah, he's in his own streets. I heard he's in the Las Vegas streets no more. I heard he living in Georgia and like some little, yeah, like some little projects or something. Oh, I wonder.

With a young lady. That's a good thing about clubhouses. You can do it anywhere. Yeah, you can't see the back. background. Did you see that, did you happen to see that background on that video with the OD? I did see I don't know if he's ODM, but I seen a clip of him

fucked up on drugs whaling out. So if they weren't OD what would you call that out? Uh, being on a Seek one. Oh, okay. But the Mexicans might call it out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that background though, could you live in something like that? I don't know. I mean, when you, when you're smoked out, you just might end.

You just a smokedout place. You can't be picky. What they say smokeout, low gout? Yeah, that's that old 3-6, I think. Yeah. That's crazy. For the show.

All right. Thank you so much for your time, man. Most definitely, man. I appreciate y'all for having me, man. For sure, for sure. Great conversation. I know you and Flock are going to have an interesting link up one of these days. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Most definitely, man. Like, I hope y'all will bring me back and make sure you're on vacation. Oh, I like that. Yeah. All right. Appreciate your man. The show most different. Hernandez. Much love.

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