No Jumper - Huge J Cole Drama, No Jumper Hosts Are Beefing, More Nicki Minaj Backlash

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

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times on my left-hand side. She might have grown up in Watts with the gangsters with the guns. But just last weekend, she was in Sundance, dancing with the sun, you feel me? We got Welcome to Tams. Put a hat before it. You feel me? Yeah, we're back. Of course. And joining the Thursday show, you feel me?

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Sharks in the chat. It's coming soon. Yeah. We're going to have some muscle shirts for you guys. Yeah. Feel me? So you go to the gym, you're swimming with the sharks. You get money, you know, making deposits.

I think you should, like, have, like, a super off-brand merch item, like, mackasins. Like, you know what I mean? You need something that, like, people will, like, hate on super hard. Yeah, yeah. You actually get in the goggle game. You feel me? Like, ski goggles. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. Bring back that, like, old 9-th. these orange tent, you know, where it's like... I've seen a lot of that at the ski things. You know? That'd be so Westy of you. Yeah. That would be Westy.

So, that's how I know he from the side. When he says Westy. You know what I mean? Like, because like, that's a very specific dialogue. And of course, you feel me? We got the briganzas on the boards, keeping it glassing and fly at all times. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Yeah, Serski, Mikey in the building, Josh in the building. We're going all the way up. How was a... So, Tam, you were just at Sundance, huh? Yeah, it was super cool. Yeah.

It's my first, like, film festival on that level. I went to a small one with my dad when I was young, but this one was pretty cool. Everybody's there for the same thing. It's like a bunch of like minds, a bunch of famous people on the streets from, like, TV shows that you can't place them, but you've seen them a thousand times. Right. Like, you're that man. You were the guy that they said dated at the end. Yes.

Yes. I was taking pictures in the street. The Law & Ordered Man is like photo bombing me. So it's cool. That's fire. I got to interview some cool people even though I was like kicked off of a carpet unceremoniously.

Okay, so yeah, let's talk about that. I was so upset when Ryan Kluger didn't give you like Oh, yeah. 10 seconds, 15 seconds. I was hot. Wait a second. I was 10. And it was knowing.

Hold on. You're telling me. Hold on a second. Let me just make sure that I'm receiving this information correctly that the white man, Ed Harris, you know, legendary actor. Legendary.

Legendary OG. Refresh me what's his most popular movie. So he's been, like his catalog is so deep. Truman Show, Coach Jones. Is he always like a cop? He's for sure been a cop multiple times. Not American History X guy. Yeah.

That's Norden. No, yeah, that's Edward Norton. Okay, I know who you're talking about then. I know, I think I know. Ed Harris is older. Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's like his, was it Madman?

What was he on? He was in Westworld. Westworld. That's what it was. West world. So she got a viral clip. Ed Harris gave her a little two-minute interview. Okay, okay.

Just on the, just in the cuts. Okay, okay, okay. Two million views up to him going crazy. Let's go. But the black man, Ryan Coogler? Unfortunately, yeah, he didn't stop. And it was like his PR people were kind of like, oh, he has to go inside. He has to go inside.

But it's a party. And like Ethan Hawke, stop for me. Rob Lowe stopped for me. Ethan, all these. white guys are stopping. You're making my dad's point. This is insane. Yeah.

I know me and possibly. Yeah. But not to like cap or anything for Ryan Coogler. I understand the politics of Hollywood. Like I've been living in LA. And you from Oakland? Yeah. Come on, bro.

You from the town. No, I understand. Blood, you out of pocket. I understand the politics of Hollywood. And it's like when you see another black person, you understand in a way. And this is not shade. This is just how the world works. That's like, oh, stop in the talk.

It's not really going to help me. Like, I would be helping her. So it's cool if I skip this. But like she's not People magazine. She's not Vogue. She's not Vanity Fair. Exactly. All the more reasons he should.

He's from the town. He know better. Sure. You know about independent media. Sure. Come on. But the white people, it seemed like they've been famous forever. It's not a big deal to them.

They're not in a rush to go inside this party. And hob not will know people they already cool with. And they feel the DII, the DEI pressure. Maybe. And I'm a girl. I'm standing outside. So I'm like, fuck it. I'll talk to her.

She's not doing nothing wrong. Would you say, though, that okay, so in the Ryan Kuger clip, It seemed like you were a bit further for him. Were you closer in proximity with some of the other people? No, not necessarily. I had to walk up too. And I also asked permission before I walk up because, again, I'm from L.A. I don't feel like I wouldn't want anybody to walk up on me.

Facts. So it's like, oh, hey, do you mind? I could ask you a question real quick on camera. And I'm like, yeah, sure. Like, Ethan Hawks, like, ask me whatever you want. So I walk up and I have my camera guy with me, my friend Christian. Okay. But Ryan Coogler, it was like he had maybe three people around him and they're like blocking.

Like, no. Yeah. No. And he's kind of looking at me like, people even said in the comments. So he was looking like he maybe knows you. Because I thought, yeah, I was like the way he was looking. I was like, oh, this is going to be one of those ones. Or it's like, I got time.

Like, come on, let's do this right quick type of thing. And then it just didn't happen. And I was like, oh, no, bro. L. Coogler. Sorry, Ryan. Yeah, yeah. And I'm a huge fan. Me too.

I still gave him congratulations on being the most nominated, you know, person in history. Very classy. Ryan's a man of the people, though, I was saying. Not because I feel like he finished been in the block and come back. Fingers crossed. I think so. Yeah. He finished in the future.

Yeah. I don't think we have to disparage them too much. Like I said, I got my, hey, you're from the town. Yeah, he made Fruitvale. That was a really impactful movie. Fruitvale station. Yeah. You filmed me incredible.

That was an amazing movie. And which I'm sure you had some really like astute questions asked. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like Ryan Koo has done so many things. Even his business acumen with sinners and getting able to being able to get the masters of that back essentially. And he's going to own that in maybe 30 years. Yeah. And it's being this.

That's crazy. That's fire. That is crazy. And long live Oscar Grant. Like that movie is shedding light on that. Because that's like the Bay Area version of a lot of these horrible. That's like what resonates, especially if you was in Oakland, which I was that year when that happened, I want to say.

And I think that was Michael B. Jordan's first like big dramatic role, break out dramatic role. Kind of like really getting into his actor bag type of thing, you know. Yeah. That set him off. For sure. Like on a, yeah, as far as on a dramatic, like, hot Sundance-esque type. Yeah.

That was dope to see you in the mix with that, though, Tim, especially self-driven. Ain't no jumper, you got the plug? Nah, we, like, like, you feel me? This is a dark corridor. I did what I could. The next film that I want to review or maybe be on the press line for is I love Boosters with Boots Riley. I love Boots Riley's film. Me, too.

Speaking of Oakland. Yeah, speaking to Oakland, he had, sorry to bother you with Lakeith Stanfield. I love that. I love their commentary on work culture and all that. So I think it would be very cool to do. Damn, I never watched that. I got to spend the block on that one. It was really popular.

And I just, I don't know, I didn't make time. I didn't make time. Are you a person that when something's too popular, like, I'll wait? I let it die down a little bit because I feel like the narratives around me influence me. And sometimes when people hype things up to that degree, it often disappoints me because it can't, like, live up to it. Like a lot of my friends were saying they didn't feel more. Marty Supreme and I knew that was going to happen because there was so much media around it and stuff and Zoom calls getting leaked and shit like that.

And also just put my critique hat on. I'm not a big fan of Lakeith. Okay. As an actor, I'm not big fan. It's just not very believable to me. I feel like he's always playing the same guy, which is maybe like not the worst thing because it's like Denzel. They always say you see a little bit of Denzel in every single one of his roles.

You just see a little bit of a guy that can for show fuck yo bitch. Not mine, but somebody. He has a level of like, Don't trust your rule around there. I'm sorry. And not true, facts, fact. Don't trust me around Violet Myers. But anyway, like he does have a level of like,

yeah, you can say debonair, whatever swag that like comes through when he's on camera for sure. And I do feel like Lekeith kind of has that. Like, Lekeith's like the acting version of Kid Cuddy. You know, I appreciate, I appreciate his artwork. I'm a big Scott fan, by the way, big Scott But something about it is just a little bit like thin veil. Thinville, you know what I'm saying?

It took me until the year like 2020 like, I don't know, to going to see Kid Cuddy in concert to be like, I believe Kid Cuddy is who he is. Like he's really that guy. Like this is a stone cold artist. This is no gimmick. You know what though? And I feel like Lakeith, I need a moment like that with him. Has he something like that?

Was Lakeith ever mean to Nardwar? No, I don't think so. You know who was? Your boy, Cuddy. Have you ever seen Judas and the Black Messiah? I have, yeah. You didn't like Lekeith in that? I like the other dude.

I like the darker brother in that one. He killed that role. Okay, the British actor. Yeah. Come on, he ate that shit up. Of course, it's Fred Hampton, though. I know, but that's quite a... At the same time, at the same time, that's like you could easily mess that up.

Yeah, Daniel Caluia is his name. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. But no, Leakeet did his thing in that. I enjoyed that movie. I enjoyed that movie. Let me walk back a little bit of that criticism. I feel like you don't like the like fake and I'm not, this is not shade,

but like the fake hipster kind of awkward black guy vibe that he gives. You don't like that. You feel like you could be filling that void in the industry. It's jealousy. Written all over my face. Why the fuck am I not that token black? Why not me? Why not me?

Why not tall it up? No, baby box. But no, but like I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's that per se. but it's just something like I want to just see him do more. Okay. Like the British, the black British actor who was the Storm Trooper in the Star Wars thing. And he was being like held for a long time as like the new It Boy and stuff. And I was like I just haven't seen like enough from him.

I want to see like more from him. I have the same criticism of like Michael B. Jordan as well. So basically any time there's a successful new black actor that's popping, you're on their help. No, no. But Timothy Shalomey, let's roll out the car. carpet for him. No, no, I was very doubtful of Chalameh as well.

I thought he just kind of had like the white boy skinny clout. Like, you know, chicks were just into him because I guess she's like supposed to be traditionally attractive and shit, but it was the movie's bones or something. Oh,

bones and all. That's what I was like, I was all right. The boy can act. Not he does this thing. Like, I'm not hating anymore, you know,

and I liked him more in Dune than I thought I would have liked them. Love Dune. Yeah, because I was like, Timothy, Shalameh, isn't he supposed to play like this badass, like fucking killing

he's the Lijal Gahee. Yeah. Me and my friends were yelling at for months. That was the best shit in the world. Since we're talking about independent movies and all that and actors and all, I definitely, and you brought up Boots Riley. That's a great.

Love Loose Riley. There's another movie, indie film out of the Bay. I recommend people watch the last black man in San Francisco. Oh, I love that. That was so beautiful. I got to beat that one of rappers in it, the independent rapper,

Stunner Man. Yeah. Shout out to Stunter Man. We're winning. You're doing. Still winning. Still winning. And shout out to Stunner.

Yeah. And shout out La Russell as well, bro. Oh, yeah. That's okay. Big look. La Russell, I really, here's a thing. I cannot say a single bad thing about this guy. What he's doing right now, he's like,

funky though. You and Paulie had some criticisms. I'm not going to let you off. I'm not going to let you off. I've made it. I'm making it such a point to not talk bad about this guy. I'm glad. Because I really support his movement and everything he's doing.

So I don't even, I really am not even going to go there. Yeah. Do I have criticisms? Yeah. Yes. Same. Do they matter? No.

Because he's, at the end of the day, he's hip-hop to the core. But like it's just hip-hop has changed so much. I feel like when people see other Russell, it's easy to be like, oh, this is corny, this is that, this is whatever. But like, I feel like the shit he's doing really embodies like the hustle, the grind, the soul, the essence of hip-hop. Whether you don't agree with like his lyrics and the way he presents it and stuff, like, it's so nostalgic.

Beyond all that, in a way, beyond all that, what he's doing is essentially justifying what I was preaching like the whole last three months

of the year in 2020, in 2025, independent media, independent hip hop, like independence in general is like since the industry is at this standstill,

since the biggest companies in the industry are entrenched in controversy and lawsuits, this is the best time to be an independent artist. And nobody is personified that more than LaRessel

100,000 units moved in a month, like essentially like the 2026 version of Out the Trunk. And what I don't like for the LaRessel criticism, a lot of people do have about the music itself, but I don't see any of you with your so-called better music hustling as hard as him, pushing it as hard as him. I don't really follow LaRessel for the music. I follow him strictly off the grind in the hustle.

Like I appreciate that on every social media app. He's always in my face. He's always doing something. And not just trying to get looks like more so L.A. people go about it. They want to be seen all the right places. The Russell, like he said, got it out the backyard. He's the man in his community. Little kids could come up to him and rap and get a TikTok off. That's why he's so popular. And a lot of y'all be feeling like you're too cool to do that.

You're too cool to perform at a place that only got 30 people. I've seen the Russell out here at Kicky World, a festival. It didn't really go well. He still got up there and gave a great show. Fire. Getting in the crowd with people, like I'm saying, getting everybody's videos. A lot of y'all niggas have less followers, less motion than him and think y'all too good to do that. Oh, yeah. One million percent. Like he personifies. is like the whole like the guy next door. You feel me?

Like one of the regular everyday man just but working his ass off and doing and doing better numbers than where there's millions of dollars invested in big major label industry campaigns that we're analyzing. He's doing better numbers than these people. And I remember when his shit was like low quality, low budget, just him and his cousin going for it and shit. And I feel like- In the garage type. I've seen that. Yeah. And I feel like people were more supportive then.

but then when he started to have this major motion, now all the criticisms come and shit like that. Well, I think it's just more eyes on you. Yeah, it is. Okay, so you know what? I'll keep it all the way a thawal because we... But that's not a shot at you. If you don't want to go there, you don't have to.

I don't take it as a shot, but for the sake of the amount of transparency in my life and the amount I show my ass, I can't just not do this right now. Even though I really want to just make it clear that I don't have any malice or ill intention for this young man. And I really wanted to see him continue to shine and be the great, great artist and human that he is.

And I really, really admire what he's doing to the umpteathe degree. I can't stand his music. I think it sucks. You feel me? Like, and that's just my personal opinion. Listen. And it doesn't matter. And maybe I just, like, ruined my chance at a Russell interview, which is unfortunate

because I would love to talk to this guy. But at the same time, like, like I think here's my criticism. When I first heard this guy, I was like, oh, he's kind of like an alternative damn near Bay Area TDE adjacent type, you know, like rapping very introspectively over soulful instrumentals.

And I like that. I actually liked his music that he was making at the time. I showed it, even my girl was like, who's this? I was like, oh, this kid from Vallejo named LaRessel. And she's like, oh, this is tight. You know what I mean? And then like this whole, like,

gentrified Heifee resurgence, but there's not drugs involved or danger, which is what made the hyphy movement actually cool. I can't really get jiggy with it personally. Although, I call it Whole Foods Heifie. It's very, it's like with heavy emphasis on the Whole Foods. It's like, yes, like the same gesticulations and dance moves are there, but that's about it. Because I, I'm from L.A., born and raised, but I was, had already been living in the bay for a few years when the high fee was, movement was at its early phases, like the seeds were being planted and like, like, I'm talking about when BA and Kik were doing town shit, like, oh, five, oh six, you know what I'm saying?

He's like a child of that. You can see. And I was there for the entirety of the high, high fee movement. And what made it raw to me was like, like, like, oh, like these, these fools are thizzed out. Like, they actually, like, on, like, fools are talking about rave, but they're actually like in the hood with it like and there's crazy bright colors and it's psychedelic but you might get shot any any minute and I might get shot is not cool in any capacity

like but the aura of danger that made the hypey songs and I enjoy cool. I'll clean up for you a little bit. It was more so like the after hours in the middle of the street with all the cars and all the people out and everybody's popping it. He's like the pep rally version of it. Yes. Yes. But here's just like the sanitized corporate version of that.

and that's why he's doing so well, so I won't disparage it. Facts, and it's not, the HIFI, when we were outside, it's not for families. Like, La Russell's music is for families.

Right. And also, too, like with the New Bay Area kids, like, I'm saying, like, my generation, right? Like, we were young when the Hifey shit was going on.

Those kids were, like, not out in the streets. And, like, now the people that perform would Kik the Sneak and all those fools when they pull up to, like, Lake Merritt or some shit, they have, like,

a tiny desk show or whatever. Like, those kids are, like, still doing, like, hyphy dances or whatever, but it's like about positivity. Yeah. Like now the community centers are in like full action and it's like you can still express this essence of the bay, but we don't want you out here gigging off the beans and fucking, oh, you know, jerking with a strap and shit like that.

Like it was the same thing in LA during the jerking movement. Like it was some gangst shit going on, but it was a bunch of kids in highlighter jeans. You feel me? Jerking with glocks in their pants type shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I feel like little Russell is more so he's after the hyphy movement. And like he wasn't outside during that shit. So he'll never be able to embody.

During the hykey movie, like when when parents met at the after hour, you feel me like off of, off of this and what like you feel me after Ruby Sky and not, or sorry, even like after a 550 Barnerville when it was super grimy, you feel me like and knock a bitch up and then that baby was born. And now they're like,

oh, these parents are now responsible and they want to be better people. So the music they grew up on, they were, yeah, they want to do it in a more wholesome way. I respect it. It's like the whole food's hyphy. Like it kind of like is a testament to the Bay Area kind of cleaning up. Like going from having a murder capital to, you know, being all about the people coming together, being one, you know, all the things that are already there.

It's like they're merging the hippie movement with high feet. Yeah, you know what I'm making it about love and family and everybody together. All inclusive. It just don't sound like I just don't like the way it sounds and I don't like the music. And I'm sorry. That's what. feel really, really bad. It doesn't have to be for you, you know what I'm saying?

Like, like, everything. And it's like, I don't know, because like to me, when I would, like the hyphy movement, there'd be like keek songs or like songs by the team and shit like that. And there'd be like a lot of turf talk. You know what I mean? Like, like those are the artists to me that I was like, oh, this is like Marv, like messy Marv during the hyphy movement, like things like that. Like those records are rapping the Bay.

Federation. Yeah. They're not giving oath to the hyphy movement with like all. Black 22nd Jim, Lil Bean and shit. They got their own sound. They're moving to a totally different tempo and shit like that. And then you have someone like La Russell who's like, you know, kind of like a historian of the art, like, you know, in his area.

And he's like bringing those sounds back to the mainstream public and stuff and popularizing that while these other guys are getting their foot in the door like other ways. And there's no shade to them. I'm the biggest all black man. But if we're being honest, like what all black and 22nd Jim and all those dudes are doing is a derivative of mob music, which predates hyphy. That's like the original Bay Area genre. That's what, like, EFOT was doing.

And that's what, like, the click and be legit and Sanquin and all these artists were doing before, like, Hypey movement was a thing. And that was like, it was a slower tempo. And like, that's like the Bay Area music we're hearing right now is way more moby than it is Hype for the most part. And like, yeah, I just don't really like, you know, the whole Pep Raleigh, gentrified version of hypee that La Russell does. But with that being said, he is a very talented MC.

He rocks the crowd with an incredible, like, he doesn't have to really say shit. You know what I mean? Like, he's like the master of ceremonies at this point. Yeah, he doesn't have to say shit because he's so good at connecting with people and just like what a genuine person he is. And just like the level of talent he has is transcended. But like, I'm not slapping it. And I wish I could.

The last La Russell song I enjoyed. was the one he had with Nepht the Pharaoh. And I was like, okay. But even then, that was like the first signs of weakness in my eyes. I was like, oh, like, you said, you saw it, you saw it, you said incognito on Firefox. Like, that was like a fucking like, like you doing something like super illicit incognito on Firefox. And I was like, bro, come on, dude. You're talking about a web browser, homie, like, and like Nephthael's like sending hose in his verse.

And like, you feel me? Like, I don't know. That's genuinely how I feel. guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're here to keep it funky, you know what I'm saying? Like, but I do appreciate you saying like how much support you have for him. Yeah, I really didn't.

I didn't want to go there. But for the sake of podcast. And I think a lot of people, because of the type of music LaRessel makes, they feel like he's lame or he's a bitch. I've seen him in person. Y'all can not run up on him. Yeah. It's always like that, bro.

He's not, he's not that type of. Don't let the happy. I don't think he's a bitch. Don't let the hype you all. It's not that. I don't think he's a bitch. No, not at all. Like, no, like, he doesn't give that at all.

He's trying to be positive. He reminds me more like of a big Sean where he's like, I come from the hood. My brother's in jail. I've seen a lot. So I'm not going to talk about that in my music because I see the results of that lifestyle. I would never promote it. Yeah. But if you want to, I'm not going to hate because I know it's real.

But me, I'm more ass, ass, ass. The thing is like the main person that he's drawing comparisons to as far as like the eccentricities that he's like in just like the whole flamboyance is like the Mac Dre thing. Okay. But Mac Dre, like, Street. Yeah, Mac Dre did, what, eight ears, you feel me? Like, didn't snitch on the homies and was really-

We don't want that for you, La Russell. We don't know. But the thing is, like, what people, when people, like, criticize Maghry, they'll try to, like, be like, oh, this sounds corny. This sounds goofy. But if you listen to what he's saying,

you can't say that regardless. With La Russell, it's very easy to be like, this sounds corny and is corny. Unfortunately. You know what I'm saying? Speaking of rappers, have also been accused of being corny on the regular basis, Mr. J. Cole, while discussing the possibility of J. Cole dissing Drake on his new project, Maul, we can't really see.

Oh, Maul, after a conversation with Kendrick Lamar during the middle of the rap battle, never talked to Drake again. Kendrick Amal Lamar divulged the information to J. Cole about during that conversation that led to J. Cole never speaking to Drake again. Kendrick hinted in euphoria that he knows how Drake did Jay Cole foul. Yeah. The fans. Calling him a snake and a fake homey. All right. Who were they calling a snake?

To Drake. Yeah, let's take a look at the clip. Yeah, I can't click it. So he has to give me a power of the mic. But we all do know that Drake has a reputation of like going in with his apologies after he does people wrong. Like he got Wayne's face tatted and different. And he has given Jay Cole a lot of jewelry. So that's like his way of making up for it. Yeah.

So it's like you gave him a watch. You give him a this. When did the foulness occur? Because they were really on some like real brother type shit. Remember when J. Cole hopped on a, I think it was 8 a.m. in Charlotte or whatever. But he was kind of remixing Drake's new popular song. I know from girl drama that Drake was supposed to do Dream Fest and he didn't show up last minute. So if that is what it is and that cost him to lose money, then that's a fake homie.

But let's hear what Ma's got to say. No, I need the whole clip. It's a six minute clip, but yeah, we'll take a look, see. On this album, he better address why he did what he did. Okay. He better address why he did what he did. He did a bit on port. Even if you disagree with what he said, he did.

On this album, he better explain why he did what he did. He better explain why he had that conversation with Kendrick. Okay. And then never spoke to Drake after that again in his life. He has to explain that. No, I'm with you. He has to explain that. That's nasty.

I fuck with Cole. Cocoa Rap is asshole. Put it in bars on why you did what you did to Drake, bro. Don't give me all of this young symbol and this nigger. No, no, no. Tell the world why you had that conversation with Kendrick before that whole back and forth for him and Drake and why you came off that tour with Drake

and after Drake gave you your first number one and then you never spoke to Drake again. Okay. Current day, today, till this day, has never spoke to Drake again. Tell the world why you did that. I need to know why he did that. Are I going to clip this? Can I?

I need to know why. he did that. Fuck it. Is this gonna stay in this episode? D.A. Cole, I ain't even got a... Look, I'm like this. Cole, you ain't even got to do it.

You ain't even got to wrap it. D.M. me, niggas. Pause. DM. Dend me. Tell me why. He's giving Drake. Apologies here.

On that phone call. No, he sucks at Rick, bro. Sir Kendrick Lamar. That made you never talk to Drake again. Okay. Are you asking for Drake? That's nasty. That man had you on tour.

He put millions of dollars in your pocket. gave you your first number one song. Okay. Okay, all right. Stop with this stuff. Stop talking about like Cole as like some little nigger. Like Drake gave you all this charity. And nobody's talking about.

Little niggas is a fact. I don't care what you're talking about. DeMaris, that's a fact. He put millions of dollars and he was just all told with him. Okay. And then gave him his first number one. Do you think that Drake that Cole needs Drake to put millions of dollars in his pocket?

I don't say he needed anything. Okay. He said on port. Drake you did a lot for me. Like he did. What are you talking like? You were still trying to defend that nasty shit. That was not.

I'm not defending no nasty shit. I don't know what the fuck here. I don't know. We don't know what you're talking about. What you're speaking like, oh, don't tell you. What are you talking about? What I was referring to is when you're talking about one of the greatest rappers of our generation and you're sitting up here saying he did this for you, this for you.

He did. That's a fact. These are facts. But the way you work it. I'm talking facts. I don't care about how you take on what I'm worded. That's fine. That's fine.

And I'm just reiterating. If you don't take me on tour right now and I got millions already and you still put millions in my pocket and I never speak to you again, that's crazy. Yeah, no, because nobody bought tickets for Cole. It was all, they all bought tickets for jerky. It was no, nobody got to go. What I'm saying. You guys are arguing.

That has nothing to do what I'm. He took the man on talk with him. Okay. No, you my man. Yo, come on. Let's get this bag together. He did that. Let's bust his bag down together.

Come on. We just got this number one song. Let's go. And then you never speak to me again. That's crazy, bro. That's insane. I don't care with nobody. That is crazy.

So to go against your point prior, I would love to hear Drake's perspective of that on Iceman as well. I would too. But I feel like it's colds to talk about it because he's the one that did what he did. Drake don't know why he did that. Okay. Okay. Where are he going to speak to your cold?

Why you did what you did? He's going to ask him. So he doesn't know. He doesn't know what occurred in the phone call. Like he's not divulging private information from Drake or anything like that about what could have been said or. More from Kendrick. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. The fact of the matter is that. Yeah. Yeah. The song First Person Shooter. which was initially supposed to be the three of them and then the big three like conversation. Yeah, and then like in the in the,

Kendrick is whack for not doing that verse. I'll stand on that forever. Fuck the big three, bitch, this is big me. I don't know. He got his own number one. Yeah. I thought that was strategically very, very, and I get it. It was kind of like, look, when you kind of look back at the whole thing,

Drake definitely got it did very slimy. It was a huge act of betrayal. And I guess he pissed off a bunch of people. But like when you have simultaneously, all of your industry allies kind of flip on you and then like team up on like a whole project against you. Pretty fucking crazy. So like with that being said, it seems like Moll is way too emotional when it comes to Drake. It's like, bro, it's not that serious.

Even Demeris isn't there like, Why are you saying it like Drake picked Jay Cole up out the homeless encampment? Oh, God. I'm glad she stepped up. Yeah. Like she stepped up and was like, hold on, we got to clean this up. Because it sounds weird. Now, I'm sure, obviously, like, Drake at the end of the day, no matter how huge J. Cole is, Drake is a higher profile artist.

He's like. But it's because of the type of music he makes. Yeah, it is. It is. Like, I mean, like, Jake calls. But the virginity song didn't go number one? The Lucy and virginity. He's had a lot of, he's had a, you know, he was, I think he's the only person in a history.

to go platinum off with a record that you produce every track and no features. He's the first person in the history of music I believe to do that, like any genre type shit. So obviously like Cole is I also constantly say the best verse I've heard in the past five years probably is his verse on Johnny P's caddy with Benny the Butcher.

Like Cole is a monster of an MC but like Drake is another caliber. He he takes like, you know, Monster MC qualities, but then is a pop star with it. You can't really make, you can't compare Drake to anybody. Yeah,

like, you can't. Like, with that being said, Maul is just way too passionate about that guy. Even taking it so far as to say, you don't even got to put in a song, just DM me.

Like, why do you need to know, like, are you Drake's? Well, like, his thing thing? I mean,

okay. Yeah. Well, hold on. He did start out pretty strong, though, because I am curious about what would make J. Cole flip on Drake. I didn't know they were like on non-stant.

speaking terms, especially like, as we said before, it's like, they were very buddy, buddy for a second. And I remember it was like a big thing that they were like, you know, that when Cole hopped on, I can't remember if it was 8 a.m. in Charlotte or the one with 21 at the end of the shit, the one rapping song. And it was like a big moment. They were showing each other a lot of love. There was jewelry exchange. And even I was like commenting on my little Instagram before I was a podcaster like, yo, this is really good to see it rap. I never exchanged jewelry with me? What the fuck? Yeah. Like, no, but for like two of the biggest rappers instead of being opposing forces to one another, showing each other love, hopping on

tracks with each other and shit, like, I don't know how many moments we really get like that, besides maybe like Kanye and, you know, uh, Jay-Z, but that was like more of a business relationship. And we see how that ended up, right? Usually when there's two big forces in rap, they're not going to be buddy-buddy, they're going to be competing with each other, right? My man, Drake felt like he was getting dogpiled, the one person that was going to like, low-key hop in there and not just go directly at him. and just hopped was Jay Cole and Jay Cole ranked it. And no, no, I think that's a total misread of the situation.

Everybody who hopped in the Kendrick and Drake Beef did some ho-ass shit, did some bitch-ass shit. Everybody who decided like, oh, I'm going to get Drake right now too. I've been having these grievances that I haven't expressed. That's some ho-ass shit. It's two dudes getting a fair one. And now all of a sudden, you're supposed to be one of the dudes homies. And now you jump in one of the other homies because you got grievances. Ho-ass shit, right?

So I feel like Jay Cole bowing out of it and being like, yo, I'm not going to get in here and dog pile, not dog pile, but like, you know, go at Kendrick with Drake. That's not an honorable move. I feel like that was a good thing to do. He got mentioned. He hopped in the move. He did the rapper thing. Then his consciousness kicked in and he was like, you know what? I don't want to be a part of this shit.

No. See, that's where it becomes some whole shit. Right. Nah. How is it? Ain't though your consciousness kicked in. And I'm like, look, awesome real shit. Why can't your consciousness kick in though?

Why do you have to black out? like why is that a part of our culture that you always got to go no matter what you got to prove that you're the toughest nigger in the room even if it comes to your downfall not like that's retarded though because we're not talking about bro we're acting like they were going to shoot each other and like you decided to put yeah this is fucking hip hop you're supposed to this is why but sometimes beefs come to this i'm sorry to keep interrupting me sometimes beefs come to this right we're like we just witness a beef we're another rapper for the first time in history on a main stage called you're supposed to called another rapper, a PDF file. Okay. That's crazy. That's like out of the balance of it. It's nuts. Okay.

It's nuts. It's not the first time. It's not the first time. But like that's still a crazy thing to put on someone's name. Like I remember hearing that song and I was like low key. It's over because it's like that's not some shit you play with. Like I feel like you took it to like another realm by like that's not some shit where you want to even defend yourself against.

Like you don't want to give it. No, it was janky. But also like Drake. Drake is a warrior. Like you're like you're coping too much for this guy. I'm not cool. Bro, Drake understands battle rap better than Kendrick does.

Drake is more closer related to battle rap culture and the intangible skill set that would make him a battle rapper than Kendrick is. For sure. But Kendrick is Mr. Penitentiary doing the burpees, da-da-da-da-da. If you, in that realm, in that realm, that's the imagery he puts forth to the world, right? Like Kendrick is putting forth to the world like a gangster image or an old...

No, he's not. Yes, he is. He's from Compton. He's from Compton. He can not... Bro, you cannot deny that that is not a mainstay in the imagery that he puts forth, right? So if you're the one promoting that and you're talking about like some street rules type shit, you're on some penitentiary shit, if someone calls you a fucking chomo, what's next?

It's some serious action, right? We didn't get called to Chomo. He's the one that said it. It don't matter, though, it applies to the other man as well. If that's the rules that you let govern your life, why don't you think it applies to someone else's life? But I think that Drake is a person that because of his pop star ability and the things that, He has transcended the regular lifestyle of a rapper and even the things that regular rappers can do

on their promo, this and that. And Drake has so much stuff on the internet out against him in that specific category where a person can throw something out like that against you and nobody has anything negative to say about it. 100% because there have been so many, not even allegations, proof of you sit in courtside at high school girls basketball games.

He's been fighting the grooming rumors for a long time for sure. So it's very, so when we're rapping, if Tupac can say, fuck your bitch and all of this. And I was with your wife and we got magazine footage and all that. Fair play. That's fair play. Then it's fair play.

We've seen you out with little girls all the time, bro. And to be honest, Will C.C. Mottis Lap with the bass. You met her in high school. And if we're going to be, we're going to keep it a thousand. This conversation on a media platform in a hip hop culture where we're essentially

that narrative is being validated is more harmful than somebody in a fucking rap battle on a disc track saying it. Like what you just did being like, oh, you know what? Not like us was a huge track, bro. It was played at the fucking Super Bowl. What are you talking about? No, no, no, no, no.

You're right. We have 5 million subscribers. How many people are watching this live right now, Nathan? How many people are watching this live? Probably a couple thousand. Probably a couple thousand. It's probably going to, we're probably going to tap out 80,000 people watch this show or something like that. That shit was played at the Super Bowl.

At the Super Bowl. No, you're right. And the girl from Stranger Things, what's her name? Bobby Brown? She was on late night television shows talking about how Drake texts her and how they're besties. She also said that it was no weird shit going on. It was just like. You have to say.

that after the guy that's sitting on the Cal's next, he was like, he's texting you about what? I'm also, I'm not just referring to this conversation. I'm talking about just media in general, covering it and validating it is more harmful than somebody in an artistic way. I'm still upset at you for acting like

Kendrick doesn't have like penitentiary type fucking imagery in his shit. In the song, he says, Drake, if you go to Cell Block 1, you're going to be in trouble. Why is Kendrick talking about Cell Block 1? He's a fucking Mega Star as well. He's never been to Cell If I need to break that bar for you down, that's actually referring to the whole narrative that

you just referred to. I understand the bar, but I'm saying like he's the penitentiary guy. He's the Mr. doing burpees fucking programming at the park. That's more like that's more like I'm expressing the culture that I come from. That's the same. Yeah. If it's an old to it or not.

It doesn't matter. That is the same thing as Drake doing. That is the same thing as Drake doing one dance and speaking with Patois. For sure. Because he's from fucking Toronto. And there's a lot of Caribbean people. That is the same thing as him wrapping on chopped and screwed samples because he has family in Memphis. You feel me in Houston.

You know what I'm saying? Or we got balls in Weston, too. Yeah, exactly. So you're saying Kendrick's a fake gangster? No. It's not bad then. It's not bad. Because you know what the fuck I'm talking about.

But it's how he really lives this shit and that's the shit that he's kicking to the people. If anything, no, his whole image that he's personifying is, quote unquote, what's the name of his breakthrough album? Good kid, Mad City. Yes. There was, I come from this violent environment. There is beauty, beautiful aspects of the culture that I grew up in, but there's a lot of violence that is the accent and that's the dot of the exclamation mark of the statement that I'm making. He's not personifying a gangster image.

Say that then. Say it on the mic and he's a fake gangster. Say that he's not who he claims to be. Nobody's kidding. No one's saying that, though. No one's not a fake gangster. Because you know what the fuck it is. What are you talking about that?

You guys know what the fucking is. No. No, no, that's a man man who used to fucking be with the west sides in the fruit town. Yeah, you know, he's saying that shit, man, he's not a fucking get after you out. He's not a fake gangster. He's downplaying his gangster shit, if anything. He's down playing it. So when you do it like that, it's a total opposite of what you're saying.

No, it's exactly. Literally. So when you apply those kind of street rules to a battle into another man where you understand the laws of the jungle, it fucking, we're not doing entertainment anymore. What is that? What is that? What is that? What is it to do with fucking Drake being mad that J. Cole ranked it because Kendrick called him.

They're talking about burning off tattoos. That's clearly what the fuck happened. You can't just be like, oh, this is just some rap shit. Oh, it's just entertainment. Oh, it's just the fucking sport. No, it's not. A lot of hip hop beats spill over into some other shit. And when you start calling someone out of their name, say you're going to burn off tattoos on this other shit.

And Jay Cole's like, yo, I don't want to be a part of this fucking, it's a move to pull someone down. When you're doing that, you're pulling them down with you. bro. That's why there's no crying in baseball. There's no crying in baseball. He's acting like Gina Davis. He's acting like Gina Davis. He's being a bitch. There's no crying in baseball, bro.

There's no crying in baseball. Why the fuck you're going to rank it? You can't make it distract and then take it down. You said that shit. Stand on business. Like I said, like I was getting to before your fucking 90 degree left field turn into fucking absurdity. It wasn't absurdity.

Complete absurdity. You wouldn't, you wouldn't, you wouldn't call out Kendrick's gangster. So it made total fucking sense. It has nothing to do with Kendrick's gangster, though. That's not the point here. Has everything to do with it. It's not your fault. Just like me, that all my cousin's been to jail.

And that they fucking programmed my whole life in the backyard. For what? For doing shit, for getting busy with his homies. Does he not? He's from, he grew up in Compton in a Piru neighborhood, bro. Say that then. And try. He went to Cintiniel.

Yes. He went to say Somebody's gonna come up here and clean it up. Ain't nothing to clean up, bro. Like, there's nothing to clean up here. At the end of the day, he's kind of on his La Russell shit, if anything. Pretty much.

He's kind of on his LaRosell shit. Because Kendrick Lamar, out of all the rappers and the singers that move to L.A. and start claiming the hood. I don't have to name names because y'all know all the ones with the name. He could have been out in all red, big Paru, big P hat. Hello. Standing on top of Cotillo, busting it down, blood walking, talk about not like us,

and he didn't do it. Yes. He has all of the permission, all of the back story, all of the lore to go out and be the biggest Shug Knight type gangster he wanted to be. He got all the homies that'll really do it. Y'all seen the pop out. Nix is ready. Hop on the stage, crash out, catch a bullet, or shoot somebody for him.

All these cloud chasing fucking fools are. Everybody from Compton. For sure. And he's from one of the poorest areas in the cities. It's no, what niggas will do for $100 you don't want to see it. The show. Literally. So he could be the biggest gangster.

So if anything, Drake has over the years, and that was my argument with this whole thing, has made himself. more of the cosplay gangster to quote Megan the Stallion than Kendrick Lamar has. You got on the songs with 21 Savvy. You're talking about shooting rob and killing. Gang shit, that's all I'm on. Drake.

You've never been in a gang. You probably never been to a gang meeting. It doesn't make sense. You don't have to do this. That's what everybody said. Even Kendrick said in the beef. I liked you better when you were singing. I liked it better when it was pop music.

But you wanted to be gangster so bad because you feel like you got to be a fake mob boss. To be rich and popping. You don't. And Drake. It's like you're ashamed from being from Canada. So you try to make Canada to the scary place. It's not real. Canada is beautiful.

Well, no, that's not true, though. Toronto is incredibly dangerous. It's little pockets of crimes and shit that you have to know about to go get into. It's the underworld. It's not out on the street like out here, but we get banged on the way to school. It's not like that in Toronto.

No, no, no. But Toronto is a fucked up city. For the people that are already in the bullshit. Not for a nigga that one on TV. Scarborough and all that. There's sections out there, like Jane Strip and all that. Rexdale. Like, there's far as Toronto. Do you think Drake's mom?

We've seen Drake's mom. Beautiful. Do you think she ever let her son in those areas? No. No. He would have to go and find it and Google map it and get on Reddit and find some shit for his own itself. No, but I do.

Like, I don't fault him in that aspect of putting that on the map and shining a light on the culture when the general consensus of Toronto is what you just said for a lot of people that don't know what's up. And, um, and of course, like him being the face of it, that doesn't necessarily do much to deter that image, right? Because like you said. So he's like, hey. but it really do go down out here.

There are men to him in the ends. Yeah, but why don't it have to be you that's saying it? Why have to be you just talking about it? Just like we have the conversation with the wrestle. But then you get to say it if anyone else said it, though. If we're saying that Kendrick isn't, you know, somebody from where he's from. Because what I've heard about Kendrick is he's from somewhere.

He is. He's from somewhere. But he's not putting that out front. Yeah, he's down playing his gangster for sure. But when you do some gangster shit and you have some gangster imagery type shit, and that's the energy you're greeting. another person with, it's more likely than not. They might want to get on some gangster shit with you, if they're gangster or not.

And that was my whole point. It's like he's playing by like a different set of rules. He's playing by like street rules by calling him a PDF file. But show. How was that street rules when all that was done in public? It's not like it's a secret. It's not paperwork. That's the best way to disrespect someone in public.

No, I'm saying all of the allegations against Drake to make that quote justifiable or to make it hard for people to go against that has all been done in public. But it's not like something that's like proven, right? It's all been done in public. But it's not like, there's no, there's no like case or like, whatever. It don't matter. You can go on TikTok and you see the boys from the high schools in Canada talking shit complaining that

Drake is taking all the hot girls from their school and they're all at the embassy. No, no, no. Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, it's a rap battle. I can say whatever the fuck I want. And as long as a people believe it and think it's funny and think it was said it in an adult way. Yeah. Contact sports have rules. Not, fuck. But he said he beat his

wife though. How come nobody talk about that? Bro. You said I beat my wife. You said I won't marry her. All types of shit. You tried to disparage my character. And I came out with the haymaker on you. I saw the feminist article write-ups about how people were excusing all that shit. This is all the woke left getting

busy. This is like me trying to explain the rules of engagement of like intricacies of like soccer to you. You know, like, no. Like I'm trying to tell you the rules of engagement of the way this shit works. First of all, Ricky, you know who KRS one is. You've heard that name before. Right. Do you know who M.C. Shan is?

No, you don't know who M.C. Shan is. No, no, no. I'm sorry. No, I was just saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know who he is. And you know why you don't know who he is? Because KRS smoked him in a rap battle in 1986. You got body.

That's why you don't know who he is. Shelt's M.C. Shan, incredible legendary artist, founder of the juice crew, all right? You know what I'm saying? The Bridge, Queensbridge, original Queensbridge legend. With all that being said, KRS, well, you know who he is. You might have heard the name a few times because he wound up to make. history, right? In that rap battle, he said a bunch of crazy shit. Roxanne Chante, who was a 14-year-old girl at the time, by the way, his only good for steady fucking is one of the bars,

he said, you feel me like? All right. So at the end of the day, you can say whatever you want in a rap battle as long as it's said well, the people like it, the people believe it, and you win. You can rewrite history in a fucking rap battle. Whether or not, if there's elements of truth, you could take whatever creative artistic license you want to embellish it as far as you want oh we seen him courtside you said at uh high school high school games oh he's a dmee millie bobby giving her advice about guess what he is now very easy to paint that picture and we know us i you know i've been around bro you're not you're not like that i don't think drake's really you feel me come on bro drake's a grown-ass man he's got grown-ass women around him i don't believe he's

that yeah professional fake shit well-developed shit Come on now. You feel me? Oatmeal. With all that being said. For you, it's like, yeah, he's part of the battle is you smack in the same shit as future. So it's beef about that. So it's not kids, but you know.

Okay. And then look, like this is, I just want to get back to my main point because we've gone down many roads. And this was an entertaining conversation is that I am not at. Jay Cole ranked. For stepping. As soon as I heard, not like us, I was like, J. Cole, you're validated. I went from being like J. Cole. That was some ho-ass shit you did.

to God damn. Jay Cole can see the fucking future. But no what I'm saying? Because I wouldn't want to be a part of no shit like that. During the whatever school, School Boy's Q's last album was the Blue Lips. During the Blue Lips promo tour, he was on a podcast and he said that I don't know if it was him

or he was telling the story as if somebody from TDE, but it was put as like School Boy Q called. Jay Cole was like, hey, this ain't that. So you might want to back out. And that's the thing. And told him whatever happened. So now Mall is framing it like maybe maybe Kendrick had a call with him after the fact.

But the original narrative out was that, that schoolboy Q, let Jay Cole know, A is about to go left, and this is not no friendly rap battle shit. It's not about to be what you think it is. Type shit, yeah. And so that's why I'm saying, I'm not mad at Jay Cole for not getting in the mud with the pigs.

I'm cool with that. Me too. I don't, I don't shade him. I'm not going to shade him for that shit. But I want to delete the song. You already put it out. What I think so is beyond,

like, it took me a while to get past the self-righteous indignation of Mal's anger. It's actually dissect what he was saying. DM me right now. Yeah, it just kind of like, me what he was trying to like get to. I think the main point that Maul was trying to make was, hey, you could have at least called me.

Drake, according to what Maul's saying, Jay Cole hasn't even hit him up or contacted him. He just ghosted, bro. But the other thing about that is, and maybe some people would have a problem with it, but there's no feelings in business. And I don't know none of you niggas outside this rap. I met y'all all rapping.

Facts. Just like I met everybody here podcasting. So if some shit happened outside the podcast or something, and we're cool. We talk on a personal level. We came to my birthday party or something. Okay, maybe you might get you. get a little courtesy.

But if the only time I ever see or hear from you was about business, the niggins the business phone is off now. I got a new business phone. It's over. That's what I'm saying. Like, J. Cole just seems like the adult in this situation. And everyone's like, oh, that's so fucking lame. And it's like, no, it's just immature.

It's mature. No, I want to ride bikes through Central Park. Chill out. I'm a fucking millionaire. I don't want to get into this petty-ass bullshit that these dudes are doing. Let's be real, this political theater at the end of the fucking day. I want to just fucking be J. Cole and enjoy my millions with my wife. in my harem.

I'm not mad at that. With my harem. You're not accused Jay Cole of having a here. Oh, we know what it is. For that good black woman. You're not a virgin no more. Hey,

I'll say this, man. That album really, really better have all the tits and ass out, bro. My hip hop, my hip hop like fucking hat is like, bro, we've been saying this. And I've said it here yesterday.

Around the time when Jay Cole and Kendrick, I mean, not Jay Cole, Drake and Kendrick dropped for all the dogs and Mr. Morale and shit. Jay Cole was out wrapping them at an elite fucking level. I was willing to say all the time. Well, this whole time he's been out of

because Kendrick is cool. I'm from the West. I understand all of that. But I have played in my life way more Jay Cole songs in rotation than I have Kendrick because it's very political, it's very yelling in the car and shit. That's not my vibe. I like the book. I wish the Black Hippy album would have come

out. When they were all wrapping together, that's the Kendrick that I really fucked with. My point, exactly. If Tam is willing to go out and say that, right? You cannot exclude Jay Cole from this top three conversation and or not consider him the number one rapper in America right now if people are already

saying he's been better than Kendrick he's been better than Kendrick. At making songs and putting songs out that we're that are real reasonable. So this is just because he ranked it just because he ranked it in a battle that really had nothing to fucking do with them. If people want to say that he's out of this

upper echelon hip hop conversation because of this one action, get the fuck on. Get the fuck on. It doesn't have anything, but here's the thing, bro. You can't say it doesn't have anything to do with him when he was on the first person shooter song.

Now, obviously, like, their tension predates that. Kendrick and Drake were already, like, having their little, like, quiet storm war, that they were, you know, subliminals. But that was what set it off, and it was that, that fuck the big, fuck the big three that made Jay Cole go jump out the window and make a whole ass diss track.

And maybe if they would have talked to Jay Cole and included him in the group chat, before he would have been on like that and i would argue he probably would have the best verse on like that you probably would have kendrick duck and wreck i mean j cole is the definition of ducking rec j cole he should have been on first person shooter kentrick fucked up he should have been off he could have been on first person shooter and still said fuck the big three i'm hot about that i'm gonna forever be tight i'm gonna forever be tight that kendr was not on fucking first person shooter i'm more tight that because i was kind of like of the the same belief system of j cole is the

better rapper of the three of these guys and is the most equipped for for war when it came down to it but then what did you do when it got slimy you actually fucking you you you busted your gun and that said oops i'm sorry and can we can we talk about that though he still busted his gun the song is still out there you can still hear it it's not a race from history he might have pulled it down but he still said what he said and both them niggas didn't go back and get that cold crazy because they don't want it with cold no no that's not it at all what the fuck the vill is back. What a do you be saying? Maybe, maybe Jay Cole, my only argument for him is maybe Jay Cole values the sanctity of his

personal life more and he did not want to get dragged into this beef where they were going to put personal business out and he's enjoying his private life with his wife and his kids. And he don't want to tell about his harem or whatever he got along. Adam told me. You talk about my kids. I'm going to pull up on you for real. I'm going to get off this bike. We're going to air it out.

You feel me? No, no. Vietnam. Jay Cole. You're right. You don't know. Adam should have taken a knee in that fight and not fucking swung. You feel like me?

He should have. Get the fuck out of here. He said it was smarter because he didn't have any bruises. He didn't get hurt. He could have really got hurt. What if his jaw got broke? I agree with that. He wouldn't have even been able to podcast.

No, it's like clearly illustrating a point, bro. You can't fucking, you can't step in the ring and be like, oops, I don't want it. No, you got to fucking catch that fade once you're out there, period. How come Kendrick and Drake never doubled back to address Cole? Because he'll say what the fuck he said. Because obviously there's something in this phone call. I guess what do you all think, Chad? Let us know.

You can be listening to the comments. This was fire. That was a good hip-hop conversation. Next on the unhinged hip-hop news we have is Nikki Minaj has sold her soul to Donald Trump to get the gold card, the unlimited citizenship. You're going to make a response to the accusations? Oh, about Adam. Okay.

Oh, yeah. Wait, what accusation? There's a controversy. Yeah, Adam accused me of being a thief on this podcast, and that's just more of his, you know, white man jumping out. Sometimes he's cool. Sometimes he's hipster white man. Sometimes he gets that Nashua.

And he accused me of stealing something that I asked Josh could I have that I also shared with the kids here during the New Year's Eve show debacle. It was like some sour candies. Oh, the final boss candy. I was out. I was sharing them with Jalisa's children. I shared them when people here. Ricky had some.

It was a vibe. Yeah. I think you guys are overhyping them on a Tuesday show. So because you have slandered my name and damn my reputation, I will be stealing today. And I'm taking this home with him. Thank you. Up in the skull. Come get it back in blood, tell you said.

Up in the skull. That's crazy. You don't have no cooler shit around here to take. Yeah. That's crazy. Ultimately, though, like, look, they're so easy to, before we get in the Nicki Minaj thing, I just wanted to say, it's so easy to get into, like, the intricacies of hitting on any of these guys.

Or just like, I don't think any one of these people should be deified. Hip hop is a contact sport. It's just like anything else. Everybody has a good day. Everybody has a bad day. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, ultimately, Kendrick bit the fuck out of Draco. If it wasn't for Draco, the ruler, the GNX album would not exist.

See, Dan. I was talking about that? Yeah, it is. That was fine. Danny Brown is my best friend and he just doesn't even know it. That was fine. He literally echoed every single sentiment. Yeah.

I've made about Draco, about that, the whole thing that Kendrick's entire influence from that what Draco did. He literally said everything I've been saying for the past year. That made me feel so. So vindicated. Yeah, yeah. They have so vindicated. Yeah.

I was like, I feel fucked up that I'm listening to this and agreeing with him more. But I was keeping you in mind. I was like, I owe lush an apology. But I also do believe that my argument that there's a West Coast sound that originates all of that is true, you know. But whatever. Well, let's not No, no, no, I respect you for like, for, you feel of me,

sending a... Shout out to Aaron Jones. I agree. Did you see Aaron Jones going viral on suburban L.A.? No. Yeah, y'all keep asking who the fuck is Aaron Jones. Y'all need to tap in with the city for real. Who the fuck is Aaron Jones?

You feel me? Yeah. He's a guy out here. I would never let Adam scuff my buffs. Shout out to Brody. All right. So, Nikki Minaj, everybody said that she was tap dancing. and Coonin and acting a fool

and at the turning point USA with the pyrotechnist to get her family the narrative online with it to get her alleged Pito family pardoned but it turns out she wouldn't think about herself if she wanted that citizenship because y'all got to remember that Nikki Minaj is a Trinidadian immigrant she came here as a child

with her parents so now she's got the Trump gold card she could have just paid the million and stayed out the spotlight and not tarnish her legacy but she wanted it for free so she posted it well after after hold of hands with Trump which we would no, Melania won't even hold hands with Trump. Yeah.

But she was holding hands with Trump, clasped like this, and said he's her, that she's his number one fan. And then today, after all the backlash, she posted, residency, residency, the cope is coping, finalizing the citizenship paperwork

as we speak, as per my all caps, wonderful, gracious, charming president. Thanks to the petition, I wouldn't have done it without you. Oh, citizen Nika, you are the moment. Go Trump car free of charge.

It was only a million dollars. You always popping in about being rich. man Nikki Minaj is just a horrible person and Barb's I'm not even a little bit afraid of you guys I'm not even a little bit afraid of you guys because this is absolutely

deplorable sick deplorable and for her to add this part in Trump Gold Car Free of Charge it was only a million dude well dude and she's crying about that money for the past two years

that's supposedly Jay Z. Ozer she clearly doesn't understand how investing works this woman is a bad person. Yeah. Well, I mean, look at the people that she chose

to surround her with, like the people that she lays down with. The people that she chose to procreate with. Dude. I couldn't think of a worse artist to do this than Nikki Minaj per her fan base. Oh, yes.

The people that help her up with her. The people that pay her bills that she has turned her back on. That's how I feel when she came out at Turnipoint USA with Erica, they're playing like starships. And I'm like, You think the gay boys are going to like this shit?

Dude. Do you know what Erica thinks about them in their lifestyle? Crazy. I wonder how, yeah, I wonder how all the, her significant contingent of gay fans. It's real quiet. Oh, it's backstab and it's betrayal. Or they're all going to merge over to Cardi. I hate gay people now.

She's just been saying shit. Like, Dejana Barb? No. He's not. Okay, so does Dejaun have, I would like to know what Dejaon. What thinks about Nick Minaj? Yeah. I think that there's a wide consensus online and in public.

Like, Nick Minaj is just a clown now. A clown dude with an aunt BBL and I am butt BBL. And her walking, even the footage of her in these rooms with the people, it just looks so out of place and it looks so crazy. And it's not about color or black and white because there's a lot of black Republicans, but just you, the optics of Nikki Mina. Right. When you were a little bit more in your sober mind, and I keep on quoting this because it's funny, she, Island girl Donald Trump want me go home. You said that. Yeah.

And now the turn, the pivot and I don't want to disparage all immigrants, but there's like. Wait, what is that ball? Island girl, Donald Trump, want me go home. She said that in a song. In like a protest kind of way. Not in a protest, but just like factual. Like that was going on. Like first term Donald Trump.

It's kind of like a flexi bar. Like on some like you feel like like I'm fly. I'm from the islands. I didn't even know she had like some shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people are making jokes like, oh, Rihanna would never, Cardi B would never, this kind of stuff. Because also, you know, immigrants for children and immigrants.

But I think that this sadly is how a lot of immigrants that come to America act. If they get the opportunity, they will align whoever they will align with on the bottom. But if they get the opportunity to be accepted by whiteness and to get to wear that invisibility cloak even for five minutes, oh, yeah. They turn up for you. This is the scandalous part to me is that like, oh, like just because you wind up being successful and having money, even though, like, let's be honest, what is Nicky Minaj really contributed to society other than like tits and ass? Not a thing.

You know what I mean? Like, she doesn't, it's not like, she has like a message like Lauren Hill that's up lifting. the community or anything. Who she wants to put herself in conversation with so bad. Well, to be fair, like, awesome. Like, she is like the goat female rapper. Like, I'm not going to say she's not as far as accolades. She's the most successful female hip hop MC of all time. There's nobody that can, like, to be honest, like, it's actually unfair to even compare Lauren Hill to her in that regard. Just when you talk about longevity, when you talk about it. But really, other than that, what have you really done? Like, you're an artist. Like, I'd, I'd say,

say the people that are actually the building, the actual structures that encompass our city are more important than artists that's just, you know, on stage, shaking ass and tits. Yeah. For the, for the real. And the fact that they're not prioritized and we're going to put more, to me, that's crazy. I don't even want to limit artists to just entertainment and stuff because that can be transformative when you use your attention for good. And Nikki Minaj has never done that.

I've never seen her having no barb scholarship or no barbs run like how guns. is trying to get the fans healthier. She's never done anything. Yeah. But get a bunch of money, show a lot of tits and ass, and then get online and kind of talk shit to her fans and despair them from being broke. They, she exploits stupidity. She exploits the stupidity of other people.

What is a Barbie? A Barbie is a plastic doll. Yeah. It's the, it's fake. It's like the idealized image that people try to force upon. This is how current women are supposed to act. And her even coming out and doing all of that and then getting on Joe Button in their little sit down in the dark and saying how she was kind of.

pressure to change her body because all the girls that were around the young money camp at that time. Bitch, you are pressure to fucking change your body. Strippers and this and that. So she wanted to change. And then you get on the internet and try to bully people like Cardi B and her sister saying they got surgery to look like you. You influence a generational women to get surgery to look like you.

That's something that you should be ashamed of, not on the internet making fun of people for it. Because bitches could have died from that BBL trying to chase it like you. They did die. They were dying. They did die. And you think it's funny. Like you're a bad person like we've already said.

So essentially Nikki Minaj has hats essentially. She's also stupid. Yeah. She's just not that. And allegedly she's about to lose her house or something from taxes. So this is probably why she did that as well. I don't think she's stupid. That's what makes this all the worse.

Yeah. That's what makes this all the worse. She's extremely intelligent. And like it's almost like, she's not well. No. She's not well. You know what I mean? Like she's, I would say like if we're going to say yay is not well.

And Nicky's what I was going to ask. Is this just the yay playbook? Is this the yay maga playbook at play? Like let's just act a little crazy. for a couple of years, do this whole thing. Then they're walking back with an apology with some rabbis. I'm better now. Donald Trump's not the president.

I made some mistakes. I did some things. I said some things because like that's also one of Donald Trump's biggest grievances is that he said like a lot of people switched up on them. Like people that were with them, they were rocking with them. Private phone calls. I support what you're doing. I'm saying it in the dark, not in the public.

A lot of those people switched on him. I could definitely see that for Nicky. You know what I'm saying? A couple of years. I was off that good powder. on TV. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

But I'm good now, baby. I'm good now, man. And I'll forgive her. I'll genuinely forgive her. You'll forgive her. Yeah. I'm team Cardi. I feel like this even.

I pick my side. Exactly. I feel like this even is a little bit further than Kanye West because despite the disparaging remarks he made about slavery being a choice and all these things, Kanye West was doing that in his mind to help his wife, Kim Kardashian, get those people out of jail and to make other activism.

That really helped other people. Because he would have got the tax breaks and all that COVID money and shit regardless. Right. So he's doing it in his mind for this other little calls where Nikki Minaj has put out in public. She's doing this only for herself. Yeah. It's only for personal benefit. She's not going to help one stranger.

Yo, that picture of the gold card is crazy too. And then she has Chuckie on this one. It is crazy. But yeah, she's posting her gold car. Like this is real. Like this is literally just an iPhone picture. Like not like, chat GPT. Took this picture.

No, she's in the black car on the way from there. from the event like look at what I got. Just flexing all you broke niggins. And put Welp, like be mad. Oh, this is crazy. This is sick. She's a clown. It's funny though.

That is funny. And this just justifies everything that Cardi B said about her during their beef. That you're in the house drugged up and your husband has full reign of the accounts in the credit cards. That nobody's taking care of Papa Beer because you own a sick one. Well, I mean like her pussy clearly trashed dog. She would have been wiped up so many years ago. if it wasn't like yeah from my bro like her shit I think it's the personality she has a bad reputation for being just mean and evil

even from her service people when you get that much surgery too is really hard to find time where you could actually like you do that's a lot of ass but you can't really utilize it you feel me you can't even hit it in the right way you could like potentially damage the bbl and shit like yeah I'm a person that's never faked my affinity for Nikki never been my cup of tea never will be my cup of tea no I love I didn't like that I never liked any of that I love that I love Nikki. I never liked any of that shit.

I was like, it was always corny to me. I was like borderline. I was flirting with, like, if you're a barb, I was, if it wasn't so, if it wasn't so, like, I can't just get into something that just personifies, just plastic and just fake to that degree. Like, but I, like, she was so hot and I just like the way she wrapped so much. Yeah. And safari's pen for her was fire. So I was like, okay, like, yeah, like this kind of work.

Her best shit was beasts in the trap. Bees, bees. and it's track all that shit I love her are you gonna kind of give credence to the idea that Nikki Minaj is not the best female rapper pin

because she gets so much credit like she wrote all those songs and I'm like there's no way she's definitely not the best female rapper pen so I'm like have you guys never heard Foxy Brown that's what I'm saying the best female rapper pens

are like you feel me like oh boy's wife like Rhapsity Chay Noir there's good you feel me Rod Diggas Rah Diggas for sure Bahamadilla you feel me these are

like pens. These are pens. Like a lot of MC Light. Yes, they give her that kind of credit like she's that much above the Cardys and the Megan's and the like you're not. No, you're not. You're not. And I would bet money you could not be Megan the following a freestyle battle. Dude, I hate to say this.

Megan's washing her. Megan's washing her. I don't know she got writers too, but Lotto writes better than Nikki. Yeah. Otto is Waddo writes better than Nikki. Signity. I would put, she called her very freaky grandma. I'll never forget that. That's stayed in my mind forever. Lotto could write. Like, she's like she could write. Like, people don't, there's like,

I know because I'm in writing camps. Like, I know who the writers are and I know. I think that Lotto gets the writer accusation just because people, she's a big artist and people send the songs. But every single rapper she's, writer she's worked with come out and said, oh, she changes the whole this and that or she'll make her own birth. It's more like, oh, she kept the hook or she kept the idea of the song. Her boyfriend, like, Shudder

or Slater. She's just a perfect storm, though. She's just a perfect storm. She was out when she didn't really have, like, real competition. That's why I never give her the female. You had no competition. Yeah. Like we, and this is even about her like political moves and stuff.

No, no, no. And like, I dislike for this current regime and stuff like that. This is just fact, bro. Like she was the only one for such a fucking long time.

You know, and for what reason that was, I don't know why labels weren't looking into female rappers and developing them and shit. Because we know a lot of this shit is fabricated. You know, they pick somebody to be the person. Well, she had her feet on necks for so long,

too. Who's neck? There was no neck. There was no neck to step on. Exactly. There wasn't. She wasn't stepping on no mail next, though, bro. Let's be real.

Okay. So, like, when Beyonce became popular and as a soloist, when Beyonce became a soloist, there's Carrie Hilsen was popping up at the time. There was a lot of her competition got smacked out the game mysteriously. Kind of understandable why, though. Beyonce's like, you know why. Carrie Helson's a better writer.

Yes. But she's not a better performer. Kelly Rowland is too. That's why. Kelly Rowland sings better than Beyonce. So who cares? Carrie Hils didn't get damn nearer, sing as good as Beyonce. And it's damn near as fine as her.

That's top, though. She was pressure. She was pressure. Yes, we know. And this is not like, the last thing I need is to get stung. You feel what I need to. I don't need the hive on my ass. Or get shot.

You know what Kanye said, Jay Z, I know you got kill us. Yeah, exactly. I don't need Jay Zooters on my helmet. Oh, my God. With that being said, like, realistically, dude, Nikki, it was not viable because there was no competence. for Nikki Minaj. Like, she smacked people for so long

and it didn't even make sense until like someone, it took an artist of a slightly different demographic, racially, to even be, and even before that. Who are you talking about? Yeah, with her too. Do that.

Do that. Were you right? Like Iggy isalia was, like, should be mentioned, you're right, but really Cardi B was like the first real pressure she felt. But I don't like it that people do that different racial, because no, they're both

Caribbean girls. You're right. Getting light skin privilege, getting good hair privilege. Stop. Yeah. You're right. They're in America.

They're black. You know what I'm saying? From how they look? They look the same. From a general perception perspective, I think that people, Cardi definitely like like leans into the Latina. Afro Latina. Yeah.

Because she can speak Spanish. And there's a difference between Trinidad's like, yeah, it's the, it's the Caribbean, but it's not like a Spanish-speaking nation. You know what I mean? So it's different than. But I'm talking about. Can we talk about that? Go ahead.

No. In black culture. And maybe Ricky and you too because you know about black men because they're your homies. When they see those two girls, they both are getting exotic privilege. She's not a regular black girl. Because she's from Trinidad and Nikki and I got a little bit different edges. And Cardi B can speak Spanish.

She got a nigga hair, but she can speak Spanish. But you just proved my point. A slightly different demographic. But it's the same. Yeah. But to me, I look at them as black girls, but Tam is reminding us what the black man's fatal flaw is that we want something that's not exactly pure bread. That's not what I just said, though, that she was a slightly different demographic.

But it's not, though. You're saying it's a different. demographic just because she can speak Spanish. But as far as how they look and the men that will be attracted to them and why they're going to get elevated over a Foxy Brown is and Foxy Brown's trend of daddy. Oh, okay. Okay. And Lil Kim is because of how they look and the exoticism that they can put on them.

Okay. Can I talk about this though too also how like Nikki just like or Cardi B. Lotto, all these newer acts, they kind of appeal sexy red to like your everyday American ghetto girl. I feel like Nikki has like never done that well. It was just she was the only option at the time. Even little mama, I was like, that's some shit that it's like more familiar. The girls that used to be rapping with the dudes.

Eve is the happy. Okay, oh, diamond and- Yeah, they even had like a couple cuts where it was like, okay. Stilettos, perks. Are you too young for Eve? Do you don't know Eve is? You know Eve too.

Yeah, Eve EVE. All that shit felt more like culturally appropriate at the time. Mary J. Blige, all that shit, like just felt more like of the culture than what, Nikki Minaj. Nikki Minaj to me was like Eminem type rapper.

Like she was like Eminem and a black woman's body. Yes, itty-bitty piggy. I was around for the rise of Nicky Minaj and I really will say it's because of the fake body. Like she got elevated so quick because she had that fat ass. And it was like she was everywhere. She was on every mixtape cover.

Even if she only had one song in Slosson, they got a big ass Nicki Mina's poster. It's like, oh, who is this? And she got the bag. I remember her first viral win. It was a I was on World Star. And it was like the, her song was called higher than a kite.

Oh, yeah. Higher than a kite. And it was her with Lil Wayne. And Lil Wayne was like, this is my new artist. You feel me? Nikki Lewinsky. Yeah, and she was talking. She called herself Nikki Lewinsky.

And she was like, oh, I'm so high. Right. She was like basically saying she's on, and she's rapping about being on ecstasy and like getting fucked. And her name was Nikki Minaj. And she was hot and had really big boobs. And she had dope punchlines.

And I was like, who the fuck is this girl? I'm in love. You feel? Like, so I was obsessed. Like anyone, any heterosexual? male red blooded and Michelle. And that's what it is. Yeah, but I'll never excuse you dudes for not holding

her accountable for the thighs, not matching the ass. I could never get past that. I never would get past that. Ice cream cold, buddy. I'm talking about ass. Her ass wasn't super fat at this time. But it grabs was more of a booby girl at first. She was more of a booby girl. You're right. You're right. But when the

ass stopped matching the thighs, that's what I checked down. We didn't even see the 360 in that video. Yeah. And then she did a lot of little Kim cosplay. It was All the lot. It was all Lil Kim cosplay. All Lil Kim cosplay. I'm glad I can say this now openly.

I'm glad I can just speak my truth. Lil Kim to me is my favorite female rapper of all time. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. And even if Lil Kim might not have had like the most, you know, pristine message about Missy Elliott isn't a person? I don't consider her a rapper. She's bigger than a rapper. She's Missy Elliott. She is.

She's Missy Elliott. Because she's written so many classic R&B songs. She's written rap. She makes beats like she does everything. But she does everything. She does everything. Not always. She be singing.

And she sings. I like, I like that we're putting her in the ethereal realm. She's in the ethereal realm. I think Missy, isn't she Rockwell Hall of Fame? Yes. You bitch you can never.

Yeah. But we're not going to say that she's like the best female rapper. Okay. So if we're including Missy, she obviously smack everybody upside the head. Including Lori. You feel me? Like, yes.

Yeah. Come on. Yes. No, Missy, he is up there with like Prince. Yes. Like when Missy, like God for,

I don't even want to put that out there. You feel me, Missy's legacy. is like comparable to Prince Michael Jackson like she's in all time past that Dutch and then do so gone for Monica and then do all the Aaliyah songs and then come back and do the Sierra songs

like y'all can't y'all not talking with me see. We don't know what we go we need to celebrate Missy Moore so I'm glad you brought her up just for that back like yeah but I don't even consider her like who's little Wayne's favorite rapper Missy Elliott you said that inspired there you go and in her live show insane yeah she's like so like the to me the two best

performers in hip hop like history are Missy and Buster Rhymes. Okay. And that's why when people talk about like a verses, that's like to me the ultimate verses

that hasn't happened like Missy L.E.A. versus Buster Rimes and Missy might. She has more hits like radio type hits that we would like. Buster is like

low key a better performer? Yeah. You feel me? Like but Missy's catalog is yeah. Whoa. That'd be pressure. I think the best performer

I've ever seen is Kanye and close second school boy Q. Oh school boy who got a lot of energy because of like Kanye. Kanye is amazing. like in Shasta Q too. I'm just saying with my own eyes.

Yeah, he's going to go. Yeah, no, no. And it's for a rapper. Kanye is one of the first people that I saw actually put theatrics and things into the show. And it's not just him showing up in a fit. Yeah, and we're walking forward.

I love that. I love that that's coming more into like the hip hop around like Doja Cat getting on a stage full of mud, the weekend, doing all his prosthetic stuff. Like we need more artisty shit like that. Yes. Unless what's the point of us paying to come to your show. I mean, this is the song of my car.

And this is my favorite thing. about like the fact that we are living in the independent era and people like La Russell are shining so much is all the people that don't need to rap are not want to stream like they don't want to rap anymore they're trying to like because rapping isn't the coolest thing I was gonna say I feel like that's separating the people that were at

that were rapping for the money grab from the people that actually want to rap because they like rap and I'm glad to let's sort the wheat from the chaff go stream you fucking pussy go stream be in your house be influencer do that and leave the rap don't like you don't understand bar structure you don't care about it you just like we're doing it because it was the coolest thing to do and those are the same things that comes to the show and don't want to rap be up there annoyed and looking at the crowd and you're not turned like you're not turned yeah that shit is crazy to me bro bro that's the best part about rapping is the live performance like you suffer going through the studio and the mixing and the mastering

post production is actually kind of cool but it's all about performing like i think you do all of that just so you could be on stage. And to be honest, like, and if you're a real artist, that's torture too, because you put that much thought into every aspect in your artistry. So your live performance is so much anxiety because you're putting so much heart and thought into every. It's not, it's not just like getting on stage. But that's your exhibition.

But like, but like the way of the culture in 2026, like in this Rolling Loud era, it's like just get on stage and ad lib your shit and people will like you. Like that's cool and all. But that's like to me what like makes a compelling engaging performance is so far from that. Like put thought into it. And that doesn't mean you could do that. I'll say even like Playboy Cartier rolling loud was an amazing performance. And he did just what I described.

Like that younger generation, you're starting to see who's separating from each other with like your yachties, your Playboy Cardys. Yeah. Fuck a gunna even like putting more production into. Don Tolliver. Don't Oliver is firing. Travis. I'm excited for Octane. Like who's real?

Why do I like Don Tolliver more than Travis Scott and always have? Because he is like the brain child of Travis Scott. Once you hear company on Don Tolliver's and you understand, oh shit, Travis. You stole his motion. You stole his voice even. You tried to give him to Drake. Don Tolliver's voice is why I like him the most. Don Sinatra.

The funny voice is what makes me fuck with him. But for real, Travis actually saw some Kanye like a motherfucker like full forget. Oh, definitely. Oh, the Faro album. You go back and listen to that. You hear a lot of Kanye. Even it's amazed. Bro, he was like literally like making a lot.

We're talking about ghost writers, ghost producers. Travis was like a big part of it. Let's do that track list right quick. Travis is a huge party, A sock. And him getting his young style back because I remember the, I don't know if it was a call or a video where Kanye is going crazy. He's like, and why does they say Rocky have better pants than me?

Like, I'm paying all of you. And this shouldn't be fucking going on right now. I do want to read this super chat because it's like on topic. Oh, Kim did a writer. Scott, yeah, yeah, yeah. This full said, Kim didn't write her raps. Kim wasn't better than Foxy. Foxy can't rap with Nikki.

Y'all ain't seen no girl rap and be better than the guys on the track. Okay. Are you talking about the monster verse? Yes. Yes. What there's multiple, the monster verse is amazing. Like, regardless, I don't care. Like, we don't like the monster verse.

Like, no, no, no. For the time and for all that, yes. We're not going to put that against another. Five star chick. There's a lot of examples of Nikki, like, shining on dues on tracks. There's a lot. But you don't think that that was allowed? But just to clarify, all three of the people you mentioned have writers and had writers

from the beginning and have written their own verses as well. So we're not going to do that. We're going to remove that. Yes, we've heard reference tracks of big rapping players anthem by Junior Mafia, which, yeah, yeah, big talking about, like, you feel me? I used to be scared of this. Yeah, deeper than a pussy of a bitch six feet. Yeah, of course, stiff dicks feel. sweet in this little petite young bitch from the street

Yeah, that's what being said. He was the original real-ass man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. Shouts up big for being an amazing songwriter and perhaps a little posmosculi zesci. Yeah.

With that being said, Kim had writers at times. Foxy had writers. Jay-Z wrote her verse on Ain't No N-word, which was her breakout single when she was 16 years old. She had, Nas wrote her verse on her affirmative action, her second breakout verse. She's had writers role career too.

And so has Nikki. Everything else you said is they're kind of all beget each other. But Lil Kim is to me. She's the Supreme. Yeah. And if you want to go about writers, that's fine. You can have a separate conversation. But if you're going to compare what really sells the shit style, personality, media

viability, fashion adjacency and all that. Little Kim started that. And all Nikki Minaj did was going to that fold damn near we're rewearing the same outfit. So we're not going to do that. She re-rocked it. Literally copied her. poses and then instead of embracing her and being like you're the big homie she tried to beat with her.

Yeah. She tried to beep with her and make sure she had no. That's the crazy thing. Yeah. And try to and try to rewrite history and kept stepping on Little Kim at every turn like she wasn't that and trying to include herself in the conversation with Lauren Hill when you represent nothing that Lauren Hill at all. And you're the antithesis of Lauren Hill. Now Fox Boogie, aka Foxy Brown, is unfair to put in this conversation due to her unfortunate accident and her loss of hearing. You know what I mean?

So, but still when she was out. to clap back let's let's let's keep addressing this person i like yeah yeah i like shouts the oj duddy for 43rd street general not to interrupt her rapping period not just the monster verse her reefy her reference track have you heard what what reference track have you heard on nicky um people in general there there aren't public reference tracks of nicky songs the same way there are of uh little kim's early work i'll give you that however because the people involved are dead we know that they're bro like you're not gonna like we know it's been acknowledged like niki has not penned all of her verses yes she is a great writer yes she is a better writer than kim and

foxy i will give you that you know what i'm saying andaconda hit a billy you guys just chatting andaconda is a weak ass song bro it's like a fucking poppy ass song that a bunch of people like and it's super digestible for like most of america and it's a remake of that sir makes a lot Yeah, that sort of makes a lot. Like, what is it when y'all do that? When y'all give niggas credit for somebody else hit that they wrapped on a hit. No, Anaconda was very clever. It was very well done.

It was great that they re-rocked that song. Shouts to them doing that. And really on the strength of that video with a new body unlocked. And, you know, since clearly we have a barb in the comments, you know, like, gang banging barb, you feel me, like crazy. Yeah. But if y'all going to give Nikki Minaj credit. for shit like anaconda.

You know that was a new ass. That video's why. I don't have you to say nothing about Doshi and anxiety ever getting your life. Exactly. If you're gonna give that lady credit for Anaconda, when you know that Sir Mix-Law song, you know the whites love that song back then. They didn't give a fuck who was rapping on it this time. As long as it was back out.

It's a banger. But when we talk about some real corny shit, y'all act deaf about it. Like, what the fuck, you know? And look, I do want to say shots to everybody that's watching the stream. I know it's like super early. Yeah. The fact that people even tuned in at 10 a.m. Nobody knew. There was no like previous announcement made.

Shout out to you guys. But shout to y'all. And we really do appreciate y'all rocking with us. And I like this dynamic. You feel like me? Like, yeah. No, block two ball would have been dope here like

for the show as well because he's like deep hip hop history. I'm sure he would have took us down some weird like rabbit hole. We could have done 40s, 30s, 20 scenes. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly, bro. I felt bad when I interrupted him yesterday when I was like, man, we don't want to hear all this D12 shit.

Like it was interesting to be honest. Oh, D12. like Eminem's group? Yeah, Eminem's group? Y'all don't fuck with my band? He was, I'd fuck with my band.

I fuck with my band. I fuck with my band. Say, oh, man, yeah, no, but the King Pilb,

it was the King Phil day or was another? Oh, I know what it was. It was 607, Unk. Oh, no,

you're right. It was, yes, it was Suss Branding Gate. Sus Branding Gate. Swiss Army Gate. That's a Swiss Army Gate. That's a,

Do we have to end the stream at 12? Ish. Okay, okay. I got a dip. I got a dip for show. Got you. Okay. So number seven, Wack 100 is currently in the middle of intense B.

for four of the sixth hosts on the No Dumber Show. What's your best opinion on how to solve the workplace Bs? Wack is a bully. I don't think it's no solving nothing with him. Yeah, Wack got to chill out, bro. At the end of the day, that's just what it is. Like, I don't understand his strategy of just like not. fucking with anybody and like constantly trying to remind us that we're peons and we're so beneath

him and stuff but you're supposed to be the multi-millionaire big dog should be like you know trying to maybe uplift the young talent around you and shit and put niggas on game and do some honorable shit is it but instead it's like he's always trying to like establish this like non-existent hierarchy and shit and it's just whack like niggas not going to go for that shit it's because there's no org chart at no jumper yeah it's great yeah that's another thing too like what let's let us see the or chart so we understand where we sit in in the hierarchy of things you know what I'm saying or chart for sure yeah like you know do you guys think that is possible now I might be jumping out a window here that whack being older gentleman that's been

around the entertainment industry there's more industry experience than realistically anybody in this building facts is it possible that he's just messing with people to get engagement and to get turned up and to be prevalent in the conversations because he's very intelligent and knows how to move and knows how to keep himself in the conversation and knows how to stir up drama because he knows what that drama is what moves the needle at no jumper so whack is just playing 3D chess with everybody else looking at it from a Chinese checkers perspective i do agree with that i even heard him make uh is that possible Yes, I've even heard him personally make references to that.

Like he'll be for the person to help turn him up. But in a workplace environment, and this could be just, I've been having an office job since I was 15, that it is hard to develop any type of camaraderie or any type of even just cool corridor relationships here when you're not, when it's not like people are afraid, but when people have a certain attitude like, oh, shit here, whack come, like you tense up a little bit or you like feel like you got to get in your defensive mode because you know he's going to go crazy on you on camera. And maybe after that he might be cool with you. but you already took the disrespect or the shaming or whatever he did, the lambast you on camera, on live. And it's like, damn, a lot of people are not so entertainment that they can go home and walk with that. A lot of people, they might be getting calls from their homies or from their parents

or their family like, hey, why are you letting them talk to you like that? Or who is that guy because they don't know who Wax 100 is. And the subjects, like, they'll be so serious. It's not like playful shit. Like, what you're talking about is like hazing to a degree, which is cool. I play sports and all life. I had like professional jobs and stuff. It's okay.

Like, I came in here knowing I'm, going to be the new guy. The chat was going to be making fun of me. College boy. Yeah, coworkers were going to be taking little digs at me and stuff. And that's fine. It's funny. I got a big forehead.

I dress a little funny compared to the random, regular LA dude. I'm down for all of that. But then you start making like threats and shit like that and just making it like mad, awkward. Like that's taking it a step too far. We can shoot on each other all day. We can go back and forth. These are the rules of the land. We all grew up around it type shit.

But then when you take it to like, even the shit, Anne Hefe like I'm not a gangster or whatever but it's certain words that you use with one another in that realm where it's gone from like this is some oh I'm just fucking around with you like pokey pokey to real shit like when Anne Hefe and Monchy had their moment

how did they get at each other? Oh you can't dress this that and the third oh you're trying to be potter of the year that's just funny shit and they were able to shake hands and be homies afterwards didn't nobody call each other out their name you know the W word wasn't used all sorts of shit

WAC takes it to another degree. And it's like people don't want to play like that. You know what I'm saying? It takes it to this realm of seriousness that's like not cool. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, you know, when your track record is like showing a lot of like bad shit, people are going to take whatever you say from them differently. Like it's going to be more weighted, more serious type shit.

Well, that's the thing like like there's, there's a difference between like me and Adam and Spody Face, Munchy and, you know what I mean? And beyond the obvious. But the fact is like there's levels of disrespect that they're not going to take that they're, you know, that me and Adam will shrug off because it doesn't necessarily. It's not as severe or impactful to our aura because people don't like, we're not like respected like street generals. You know what I'm saying? Like we're not in the same category. Flok two ball as well.

How like the fact that to me like I feel bad because I think that flock to ball is like the next. star of no jumper in my opinion you feel me and I think that he has a huge future I think he could be like a druski type figure I think fuck two ball is really really as a first he's you know once he loses virginity

the sky's the limit you know what I'm saying like first things first kid yeah first things first get your priority straight with that being said um don't I meant it with that being said

it's the best thing I could ever say for you. With that being said, Wack, like having Flock 2 Ball, like, in his head, like, tripping and stuff is, like, it's kind of funny, but it's like, come on, whack. Like, stall out the young inn. You feel what I mean? Like, he

you know, like, honestly, I don't think that Wack should be getting at anybody like that, but I do think that there's an element of, like, he's not fully taking it with the same gravity. He's trying to create entertainment and controversy. And I think that that doesn't justify it or make it right.

And to Ricky's point about like the way Wax's approach with certain things, it almost is exactly what you said. Like if maybe Adam or you said the same things, it wouldn't be taken with the same amount of gravity. But it's coming from Wack. And now the people that don't live a life outside of no jumper like maybe you are Adam and you do got to go back to the hood where you live or around your homies. Oh, you let that nigger talk to you like that. So now like the weak nigger from the hood about to start talking to you crazy because he's seeing you whack talk to you. So don't try to boss up on me. And it's like for a man, I can't imagine how that puts you in a situation.

and socially even like now anybody think they could just. But even just like in the moment type shit as well, it's like you know like I always say men live in a like very physical world and it's like you can't do and say shit to certain dudes type shit like it is not about like how

gangster someone is or whatever. It's just like we understand that there's consequences for our actions more so than like a woman type of shit. I'm so glad that you said that to him because here's the thing that's crazy right like let's say like it'll be like Adam

someone was someone I saw this my favorite Reddit thread in months this was so good someone was like yo like why the fucker is Adam still fucking popping at his co-host like he just got his ass who does he think he is popping at his co-hosts like

and then one of the comments was like dude like he like him trying to like orchestrate a good podcast and like telling people one mic is not like popping it has not him like disrespecting to the point where like what So when your boss says like, hey, like, make the frosties a little faster, you're like, oh, that fool disrespecting me, we need to get down.

Like, you feel me? Like, you feel me? Like, what fool? Or y'all letting Adam punk y'all, y'all, bitch, y'all never stand up to Adam. Hey, you a bitch, how are you going to let Adam talk to you like that? He told me, like, what do you mean, bro? Like, we're ridiculous. It's like, it's a podcast and it's like it's not that serious, but people assign this value to it. Like, even, like, the Adam and Munchy altercation.

Yes. But so much lighter. So childish. But it was so much lighter than people commenting about it is what incensed that. It made it into something. I mean, it had nothing. It really had zero gravity. Even at that moment, it was like, all right, guys, peace.

Like, I literally said in the group chat over and over, like, this is just some, like, bro shit. Like, this is, like, literally arguments I've had with my homies and shit. And we're, like, kicking each other's chair across the room and, like, running into each other and whatnot. Even Adam screaming my body, my choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He couldn't have been 100% serious when he said that. And also, too, to get back to, like, the wacky. thing. I feel like the unfortunate thing is like WAC is really entertaining and he is someone that like

even coming up here, I was like interested in sitting down and talking to having debates and stuff with kind of getting into like, you know, some of the deeper topics that he touches on as far as like where he thinks like the black community should be headed in like directionally and stuff like that and we had the fuck the streets debate. I thought that that was like cool. You know what I'm saying? Even in that, Wack was saying little shit to me that I was like not cool with. I was like he's like insinuating I would get raped in prison and shit. This is just some weird ass unks shit. I'm gonna like bypass it or whatever.

Like that's just, I don't even know how to broach that type shit. A little bit over the line. Yeah, a little over the line. But at the same time, I'm like, this doesn't really apply to me. Kind of hilarious as well. I'm like, oh, he's honked out type shit.

It reminds me of like little baby scape. He's like, oh, he's saying some wild ass shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I was like, whatever. But like, I feel like it just takes the appeal of like wanting to do that. Like I kind of after our last little whatever. I was like, I don't really want to sit down with somebody who clearly has zero respect for me. You know, and that's just like the type of man I am.

Like, why would I want to do that? Why would I want to put myself in an environment where someone doesn't fuck with me? I'd rather go somewhere where people actually fuck with me. Like, I'm not a pick me ass nigger. Like, let me in the club. Please, please. I want to hang out with the cool kids. You guys are so cool and gangster.

Please let me be a part of your little rap pack. No, nigger. I don't give a fuck about none of that. I don't think you niggas is cool. I don't want to hang with you. what they have on a Jeep or Rico song. I don't need none of your rap niggas calling me twin. Like, we friends or something, nigger?

Like, that shit is lame, bro. You could keep that shit over there. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, I think that, like, contentious debates make for compelling content. For sure they do. For sure they do. But there has to be, like, a level of, like, respect, right?

Yeah. Like, we was just yelling and there wasn't an ounce of animosity. Yeah. I was like, yeah. That's how it should be. But at the same time, that, that's driven by passion. And when people start, you know, of course, jailhouse unconsensual penetration is going to change the dynamic of any conflict. But to Ricky's point, why is that on your mind?

Why is that even getting brought up? Being brought up in a podcast environment. It's so funny because, like, there is a, there's a video of like comparators taking me getting baptized. And then we went to in and out and then the gym and I'm like hitting the bag. But I'm like super weak hitting the bag. And there's a comment on there And if someone was like, if he was in prison, he'd be getting it.

It was like that same type of comment. And then I looked and bro was locked up. And that's crazy. It gets worse. It was 4.45 in the morning, God. Late at night. Yeah, I was like, I was like, dude, thank God I'm not in your cell. Oh, God, he's bricked on.

You feel me? Like, yeah. I was like, you're like, crazy. That is crazy. I would say free him, but keep him now. He might be too institutionalized. On the subject of that, who is this man that they keep posting in the Reddit that he's live streaming from jail? Oh, B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B.

Is he like a prominent figure because I don't want to disparage him. He's got 200 years, so he's not getting out. He's never-gied. I can say what I want. You can for sure say what you. Why is he live-shroom from the jail? And then everybody is taking his word like it matters. He's in jail.

Of course he's going to tell you to do some crash-outs. You go to jail with him. Or tell you to stand on a super tough. Yo, on God. It looks like a third world country in there. It's like the gangster shit on YouTube has like a spectrum or like a linear whatever. And I was like, yo, B-BRAs is too far for me. I was like, yo, no, no, this is crazy.

Because I'm on Reddit for like the good time, the jokes, the AI, pictures of Ant as Alter Eagle. That's why I'm on Reddit. I see this man. I'm like, wait, is he hostage? I turn the volume up. I'm like, oh, he's in jail. Oh, shit. Oh, God.

What he said, I'm the first thing who ever streamed from the hole on GM. I was like, nigg. No, I was like, I'm never watching another B praise video. Ever again. I'm sorry you have 200 years. I don't think you've got 200 years. That's like the best thing you could like do. Like, shot him.

Like, go ahead. Like, he's like, what, that's his best chance. Like, now he's like still a little bit young. You feel me what? He's going to be like 78. No, he's still trying to live his life. Yeah. I don't know.

Yeah. Give me 10 more years. I'm mad at that. I don't give a fuck. But that's why I don't think that we should be. be taking advice and I've always said since I've been young like y'all I used to plead with the boys like in high school middle school y'all are taking advice

from niggas that are idiots. Stop doing that you're taking advice somebody that's literally in jail right now telling you you not hard enough because you're not, you want to be in jail with you want to go where he is? Because that's the advice he's giving you for the career path. Hey how about this? Let's take it further since like this is a perfect opening to this rabbit hole

how many how many of these street politics that all of us people living in society, gang members are not are dictated by people doing life in prison. I say that all the time. You're talking about, and these dudes, they're not able to,

these are people that aren't having sex with women. A lot of them, a lot of them are doing like life and a lot of them are in like segregated housing unit and they're writing, they're doing fucking heroin and fucking writing love letters to their homeboy three cells down.

Like, you know, and they're deciding. who entire organizations in the streets entire communities who's getting along with who and who's greenlit and who gets shot bro that's a terrifying concept have you seen um the have you seen the soft white underbelly about uh uh the la columnist that wrote the book about the extortion that was happening

in macarthur park i did not okay really good soft white underbelly that i suggest that everyone watches but let me just skip forward to the end these kids were on the street kids men whatever on the street committing the most heinous crimes for their organization i'm not going to say which organization and it was like discovered that the feds knew the entire time that the person that was calling the shots was in like 80x he was like a high ranking just going to say mafia member in 80s that was basically taking these taxes from these people getting collections from like gangs all across america and stuff and like sending kites yeah and he he he wraps up the book basically with this grand conclusion that

how crazy is it that this shit is happening in the most beautiful city and one of the most beautiful neighborhoods and it's being like torn down into squalor by a guy who's like under the jail and somehow he still has the capability to be a puppet master from so far away and I feel like that was just such a like you know it's a really a what would you say when an interview like sucks you in yeah engaging like I was fully there for the story and then to hear that was the end I was just like fuck dude like these people were destroying a lot of live. Someone was beheaded all for the pros, like for the whatever prospering of a man that's like never going to see the light of day. That's kind of like one like that's like literally like my whole

point. It's like that's the word where it gets backwards with that being said, um, we have to end when we're supposed to begin. I hope a lot of y'all that are about to tune in in five minutes wind up watching the whole thing. Yeah. But we were like we had to go live at 10 today y'all, but we'll be back at the regular time next week. crew we made it. I think it was a good show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is the best show this week. I can't even hold you. I like this. I like this little trio right here.

I will say the Lord's Supper style shows that y'all were doing when I was going with 10 people, six people. That's crazy. Hey, that was a dope photo. I was really happy I was in the middle. That was like the last supper. That was hard. All right. First one. Smoke show 177. Brother, this hip hop stopped bringing up the black struggle in every debate.

We get it, bro. The hip hop is about the black struggle. Next, for you. We get it, bro. We don't, yeah. He's got to be that. Thank you for being a member, though. Yeah, shout to you.

Dragon Night Crip, Aunt Marked Out Wack, which means coming for you, Ricky. Watch out, whack. Only goes after civilians. Trust me, I knew. I knew it was going to get hot for me.

Damn, baby. Stop stealing. Lush. Can I get a, oh, no. You got that coming player. Yes, Hersky. Gangster Crock. Cuh, you all started earlier today.

Cuck, you all started early today. Skip the rest of my classes today. Cam Kruger is Kek, so it's worth it. Oh, hey, Gangsa Croc. And honestly, Gangsa Croc, I can't believe you felt skipped like that. I'm very, like, yeah. Yeah, like that's a glaring. That college getting into your mind, Ganga Croc is changing you.

Yeah, Gengst Crock, bro. Like, you're like, you would have, the old Gangster Croc would have never. Never. Come on, brother. Stay on your square. Joey D. Joe 5, 6, 2. Ricky always cutting somebody off to have the most BS

take over. I apologize for the cutting off, but my takes are fucking fire. You guys are just simple. Gangster Crock. Oh, I forgot. Tamaker got to tell us about the sun. He's Sundance and the council book. Like, who is slagging them draws and all.

Oh, my God. I was invited to a Wikipedia party. Oh, okay. It was a lot of hipsters. They were playing weird music. We were drinking. rare wines and they had like what's the Japanese liquor

Soju? They had sake, they had soju. They had soju. It was a vibe. It was cool. A white man did assault a congressman at another Sundance lounge. I won't give you the details but you can Google that. Really? Yes. So they were outside, they were turned. Wow. Sounds hot. O.G. Dutty. We already did that. Boss Renegade Foteen, Tame brings great discussions, input and POV of women.

She represents the women watching more than Jalise ever will. No shade. Burger emojis. That's definitely shade. Definitely shade. But like we do appreciate the tan love and shout to Jalise.

That's the home you too. Thank you. Okay. O.G. Duddy said, I think we... Yeah, we talked to him earlier. Kim didn't write her raps.

Kim was better than Pazzi. Her rapping period, not just the monster verse. What reference shack we read that? We don't give a damn about fashion. We only talk about rap. Lush. Who said they wrote for Nikki?

Safari LMO. Just spitting facts. I ain't no fucking Barb. It's giving Barb. It's given Barb. I fucks with the OG. Judge. I want to be good in the 40thirds.

So, so you feel like me? I ain't going to slam you. I'm too bad, brother. But with that being said, we do appreciate everybody for watching. Shasta Nathan for holding it down. Shasta Stevie.

Shows to Josh. Shosa Mikey. And shouts to Tuster. And we'll be back tomorrow with the news. Much love. Peace.