No Jumper - Jace! on Name Change, Snitching Allegations, Summrs, YBN Nahmir & More

Episode Date: March 30, 2024

Adam connects with Jace! aka iayze, to get into the state of hip hop, falling out with Summrs and Kankan, Offset collab that never dropped, and much more! ----- 0:00 Intro 0:00 Iayze says he can’t do an in-person interview coz he has a case and can’t leave Texas 3:59 Iayze says he can’t talk too much about his case and that it is the same case that ended the relationship with slayworld 6:55 Iayze calls the underground watered-down now and says that the underground rappers are continuing to get younger 9:35 Iayze says that underground music is not organic anymore and says he respects Xaviersobased. Iayze speaks about Xaviersobased rapping about being gay 12:40 Iayze and Adam speak more about the No Jumper post they made about him and Iayze speaks about the importance of fact-checking a post. Iayze speaks about how certain posts can make him a target and that involving kids in posts is off-limits 15:20 Iayze speaks about his reaction when Summrs got j*mped, his relationship with Summrs was rocky at the time, Summrs getting jumped was not an L 18:11 Iayze says that going live after Summrs got jumped was immature of him 20:28 Iayze speaks about how his relationship with Summrs and Slayworld first started. Iayze speaks about how he helped with engineering for Summrs little brother. Iayze speaks about how Slayworld ended, and how their lives upgraded 23:50 Iayze speaks about signing his deal for 100k at a young age, says a lot of these rappers don’t be living right and be having nothing in their fridge 25:57 Iayze is not talking to Kankan anymore but wishes him the best, Iayze says he always knew he didn’t always want to be a rapper and talks about the streaming paying more than the music 27:44 Iayze speaks about how got back to talking to Rino and that speaks about the struggles he had growing up 29:35 Iayze says that he is stressed about the people who are calling him a snitch and wishes that he was never a part of that case 32:30 Iayze says left the dr*gs alone now and that previously he spent a lot of money on __ and lean 37:05 Iayze speaks about how deactivating his IG creates a sense of mysteriousness for rappers. Iayze says he never spoke to Uzi before when he shouted him out in a song and how he didn’t capitalize off it 39:35 Iayze says he has a close relationship with his fans and considers them family, Iayze speaks about how he came up with his name and the spelling of it is confusing. Iayze says he is not signed to Simply Stupid anymore and is independent, but is thinking of signing again with them 43:17 Iayze says that signing with the label helps with streaming and how streaming became a passive income. Iayze breaks down the viral clip of chasing Twisty P 46:12 Iayze says he doesn't what dr*gs Twisty is on and how plays around being the main character. Iayze says Twisty had a good impact on Yeat blowing up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to know John Barry. We're in here today with Jace, the underground legend. Why are we doing this remotely? Are you scared to come here like Aunt Glyzie? Well, hell, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I got a case. I got to get quarterpool to move around. That shit. Oh, okay.

So you're stuck in, uh, Texas at the moment? Yeah. They still got your house arrest and shit. You can move around. You can't just leave Texas. And, me. nah i just can't need texas word so we've been trying to interview you for a while what made you decide that it was finally the right time i'm being overdue i'm being overdue for real

plus hell y'all really just overdue bro and you posted some shit and i don't know if you took money to post it or if you just organically posted it i think it was remo remind me what this was What was it? What was the post exactly? Is it all that my kids? You posted that? It'd be a lot of shit going on. So it possibly could have been me

someone on a social media team. I think I do remember this was about like two, three months back? Yeah, yeah, about that. So what was the scenario with that? Because they were saying that you did have a situation where I guess child services or something. Where did that come from anyway?

now see the clip was out of context I was just having I was having you know career issues and I was saying that was at risk of happening my mama her house so packed I'm only being able to take one of my kids with me still gonna be with you know my girl

and I'm still going to you know have you know the same custody of my youngest but she would have had to live with her mama at the time that's all that's basically what I was saying living situation is going to change, not really just kids getting taken. It was no context. So it was just taken out of context.

I got you. So how many kids you got now? Because I thought you only had a daughter. I got two kids. I'm working on three right now. And so, okay, are they, like, how did you end up in a situation where you ended up having custody of the kids?

My first daughter, it ain't come about on paper. Like, I was so young. I had love when I was 16, right? Like, she was born five days after I, I had 16. So, being so young, her mama just wanted to go party and get back to life, you feel me?

And they got to a point to where she was leaving my daughter with me so much. It was like, okay, see, leave her for three days, pick her up the next three days. Then it got to a week, two weeks, then it got to a month until I signed a deal moved in Houston. And now when I moved back, still just like really in my custody, like, she got to room with me. She don't sleep nowhere else. Like it just so happened to be my oldest I'm with her mama That's my current girl, it's like

Because I was thinking that's like it's super rare For a dude to end up with custody Of the kid and then it's super rare for a rapper To end up with custody of the kids Especially like a younger rapper That's just like a scenario that I don't know if I ever really heard about before Yeah, yeah it just really came about for real Like she just started she just stopped seeing the like you know my daughter like that

So it just got To a point to where she just lived with me and it was stamp she's been with me so long even though I don't got custody on paper you still just can't come into a child's life and be like you're living with me now you know because she had that age toward

that's all she knows they're living with me Tysha definitely so okay where is your life at right now like what is this case that you're fighting at this point? I can't talk about too much of it but it's all going to be smooth type shit like it is when it is a little like case

it's a new good ass lawyer out of Houston This is the new case or this is the like the famous case that everybody's been talking about? With the same case. Word. With Summers and everybody that was involved or whatever. Yeah. So that case initially ended the friendship with you, Summers and everybody. With you in Slay World?

Like, would you say that case is the start of why you don't slay World anymore? No, me and Summers still talking in there. Oh, where? But you guys weren't cool at some point, right? You weren't cool at some point, though, right? We was avoiding contact. I always said we weren't cool, though. I mean, it did seem like I wasn't cool

because I was trying to say, you snitch and all type of shit. And it was really coming from they side. It was undergrad. You can't take the other out serious. It's the Nick tune. It's the Nick Jr. of rap of the mainframe. See, that's interesting because when I was, like, looking into your whole story and everything,

kind of felt like you being part of this whole underground scene was kind of like unlikely. Like you seem like you would probably like fit in with more like street type rappers and but then somehow you just because of the music or whatever you are into, you kind of ended up with this like different crowd, this like weird underground world. Is that accurate from your perspective? Really, I just, I had to learn getting older. I don't enjoy being a rapper. I just like making music.

So like to put it in retrospect, I don't like going. want to do shows that dress up none of that type of but I enjoy sitting in front of mic and making songs and like shooting videos and really just creating the music that's what I love I love being a rapacy and like to answer your question in the industry like it seems

it do seem like I would you know fit in mode like certain type of rappers but you got to do a lot of shit against your morals to really be up there you feel me and that's not type of shit off of only because I be knowing like I need a lot of LSD. I didn't do a lot of all types of shit back then.

So I'm to the point to where my third I open. I know like I got to die one day my life ain't going to be spent trying to impress a certain group of people. You feel me? Especially musically. Demonic. So you're saying that you came up in more of a street environment but that you don't really like pushing that type of shit in your music as opposed to like doing some more underground type where the vibe is a little bit more laid back and creative. Now, yeah, I like doing auto tunes. I like making, I like making mainstream.

I like making different type of music. I like making rock music, all types of shit. I'm working on this project right now. I got like girls singing on it. That's the type of be cool now. Do you think your audience is accepting of that? Oh yeah, I got a real cold fan base. I go a lot. A lot of underground rappers that was pop for the 20-20 wood. They're not really just too relevant, though, but my numbers still up, say, declined since 20s, really well. I had a few hits, but that's a few hits.

Like, it ain't been enough millions to say I consistently had millions, you know me? Any other views outside of that still being the same. Interesting. What do you feel like the current state of the underground all the scene right now? I think it's interesting. I think it's watered down now, though. Nobody talking about I was probably like one of the last people

in the underground to come through talking about baby mammas, homies dying, all types of shit. Yeah, rapping about that, singing about that type. Because a lot of like underground like SoundCloud rap and you really think about what it was, a lot of it was just like dudes who were talking about a bunch of guns and drugs in a lot of cases, well the drugs were probably real,

but you know, they definitely have not done any of this like violent that they were writing. songs about and that is kind of you know there's a lot of rappers from the era that I won't name who are basically famous for putting out an image of themselves that wasn't real and at some point people kind of figure that out yeah I know yeah most definitely there's a lot of little kids running this shit right now but I think it's just don't get younger and younger as time goes on you know it's like who would you rather trust you know with your car a minor or you know somebody you know that's grown adult that type of shit

The underground is really in the state and in the hands of, like, young, right now. So we all know where it can go. They can do something good with it. They can f*** up. Yeah, it's weird to be an old head in the underground. It's like it doesn't really work in the long run. It feels like you're supposed to, like, succeed out of it. I've seen somebody made a whole video analyzing DJ Fat.

And the whole, like, theme of it was, like, basically that, like, he should have graduated out of this at a certain point. And I'm like, man, maybe he just f***ed with the music. He just hasn't been bored of it yet. Yeah, I know, for real. DJ Fad, he's OG in this shit. Yeah, y'all. Stock not been on a long time.

I feel like it's not organic as what it was no more. I feel like it's not enough, you know, how could I put it like? Just heart and soul and this music shit anymore. And this underground shit. I can smoke on here, right? Yeah, of course. But yeah, so, like, as far as the underground and shit,

you, uh, because I seen an interview where you were kind of saying that, uh, I think it was you was going at Xavier so based because you wasn't really with the type of music he he making this you feel like he's a part of the problem like he's he's one of the kids that you're saying is like too young really not putting out substance and really just you know what I'm saying just rapping uh I respect what he doing he he's a humble kid for sure uh that was just one of my rams so I grew up listening to 50 Wayne M&M all types of I feel like, you know, the focus of rap shifting. First, it was talking about doing all types of gangsters shit. Talking about your struggles now. Nah, so yeah, because you do got more of an old soul.

Like, how did you get more, because of like, a lot of the kids nowadays, they're not even listening and checking for Wayne, you know, Eminem and shit. That's like, where did you get that side of music from? Like, who put you on the music like that? Just growing up, my pops, for real. Just growing up. The narrative of rap used to be different.

I used to look at it as a coping mechanism. Okay, we're just talking about Xavier's so based. And him and Xavier were alive recently. Saw that, yeah. And they were kind of like arguing and shit. But you were getting on to him about rapping about being gay or I think bisexual. I don't know what it is. But how do you feel about that?

That's just not what that's, it's just not what rap. Like, you can do what you do. I don't really care. If you don't piss me off. Like, to be a phobic, you have to be scared of something. I'm not scared of it. I just think rap comes from something better than that, you know? Not underground rap.

I feel like underground rap is a home for the gay community. Yeah, but that's what it turned into. You feel I mean? It ain't nothing I could do to change it, but that was just me being on a little rant type. It was just something that grinding my gears type. I don't like how this type of blow up when hip hop is supposed to be a platform for people to explain a struggle with poverty,

explain all types of shit. They weren't a lot of that. What could be more of a struggle than having to be gay in the rap world, though, you know? Can't be easy. You is right, you is right. You is right. I wouldn't know.

It is not. What's it called? So, like, bro, what, what, what, what do you be, like, is it on your page that you post organically and then you take paid type of shit? Yeah, basically. But that wasn't a paid post. Like, damn. Yeah, we'd be trying to, like, do more underground shit and, like, tap in with more underground stuff, drills. We try to cover, like, stories that maybe aren't getting covered by some of the other outlets.

So I don't know. I didn't even see this post, I guess, but. That's definitely a wild thing to be kind of going with without concrete proof or without asking. Yeah, I feel like you got a fact check only because y'all got so many, y'all got a big audience from the suburbs, but even to the slums, to where it's like you could put people in position of getting hurt if it's false news out there. You feel me? Because the type of dad I am, I wouldn't respect.

And if it came down to it, I would punch down on a dad. that's moving the way that, you know, it was brought to the public that I supposedly moved. You feel me? Like, that type of shit. Like, it be people like, you could, like, I could be a target. If the wrong person seen that post, it could make me a target. You feel me? Just a little shit like that.

No, I'm with you because I'm a dad too, and that's definitely is, like, the one thing that, like, you know, you can joke around about anything. You could make fake news about anything. but as soon as you start talking about the kid thing, that's like a totally different category. And especially, like, you know, when you're talking about, like, the agencies or some potentially, like, showing up at your crib,

I've heard that, I've heard about that happening to people for relatively, and that's definitely, like, not something to put it. Kids always off limits, bro. Kids, kids always off limits, bro. I seen a nigga some months ago bring up your kids. That's a little. Natives can't be doing that shit. Yeah, all the time.

That's just crazy. Niggas, niggas want to play the street game. Everybody want to see who's most street. If you want to be technical or literal, talking about kids or involving kids is not street. That's like the number one thing to not do. Yeah, I feel me. That's not gangster.

Bringing up kids, that's not gangster. I feel like I've seen them. You get mad at another post that we did too. I think it was like right after Summers got jumped, you kind of like celebrated or something. You went live on maybe kick. And I think we posted that you were like your response to it. And then I think you put something up and you said,

I bet no jumper won't post this. So where was your mind stay after you... I forgot. I forgot what I posted when I said. I bet they won't post this. But, uh... Yeah, I think it was a post because, like, right after the summers got job. I think it was...

I was on stupid. Bro. You got to realize I just turned 21. I still got to turn 25. I still got to, you know, mature all the way. You feel me? It's like me and this has such a rocky relationship. Yeah.

Boom. When that happened... It's like instant like, oh, boom, this, this, you know, I'm just talking crazy. But then it's like I sit down when the live end and I'm like, that was really my dog. For real, you know? So I'd be having to catch myself doing stupid shit because it be shit I don't even need to be involved in. You feel me? I'll be matured saying that.

And that's probably, I think that's what I posted when I said I bet they won't post it. I'll probably explain it like I wasn't supposed to be saying all that shit for real. I mean, people don't really get a- I don't know what niggas got going on there. People don't get beat up in the underground that much. So that was like a very, like, rare moment of everybody just, like, actually seeing one of their underground kings get his ass whooped. Yeah, it was crazy.

It was wild. Oh, bro. It was wild. That nigga fat just passed away, RP fat. Oh, he was involved in that? Yeah, that shit is fine. Yeah, I think he was so. I think, I think, I think.

He homicide game. Damn, I didn't even know that. Yeah, I've seen something like other blogs were posting it trying to say that, uh, that Summers Arena was celebrating when he died and shit. I know you've seen people picking that shit up. Yeah, he got to grow up for that shit. He got to grow up for that shit. It's crazy.

When his, you said what? No, say what? Now, say what you was going to say? When what? When his, when his grandma passed away, everybody felt for him. You know, this is years ago, though. But, like, he was on live. He was shutting tears and everybody felt bad for him.

I still, I've never joked about his grandmother. I've never, you know, woo-thee-whoop, any of that type of nonsense. So, you know, I just hope he found the truth to life, honestly. But I've seen him boasting about it, but it's SoundCloud. So I feel like he don't know where he getting himself into. Just because of the power of the tongue, that's real. You think the fans really, like, cared when he got jumped? Nobody really called it a L

Even though I feel like it was an L Because you walked up on hell of niggas And Thought it was about to go on your favor And it could have been avoided But they said it wasn't an L Because he stood his ground shit So he instigated it

He like went up to them And kind of like started it Yeah that's what they say I don't know It started from something backstage From what I heard I think it was looking for water or something They got into it

So you you like saw the clip And you were hyped And you couldn't help but like post about it But then you ended up like just feeling like it was Kind of immature Yeah I see it And I was like I'm gonna go live And I was kind of just talking

But yeah after that After I went live I was like Nah yeah that shit immature I ain't gonna lie Like I came to the conclusion I was already on my story posted It was immature Before the next day before I seen the post

You feel And then I was like, you know, but I already felt like, yeah, that ain't some, that ain't no shit should be talking about for real. No, I feel that. Yeah. Because sometimes, like, somebody you don't like, something bad happens to him and you just want to say something about it, but I feel like it's better to, even if you're happy about it, to kind of like do that privately for the most part.

But I always managed to get some jokes off. Yeah, so. Most definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just feel like, I just feel like everything's such a gimmick that. me genuinely as a person, I can't want nobody dead over SoundCloud or over nothing, even if we got to a scuffle. It would take a lot in the world for me to say, man, I hope this dude die. You feel me? So I feel like as humans, you really don't want to see nobody in bad positions, but you let societal views or your emotions, you know, make you look like you do care about certain shit.

When deep down, you don't want to see that happen to nobody. So I feel like, you know, it wasn't even a feeling of happiness. It was just a feeling of I want to boast. I want to let my ego get high type shit. Because I mean... I really don't want no harm to nobody for real. But you can't help but look at it. Like he's somebody who dipped out on you when you were going through some hard shit

where people are talking shit about you and you kind of can't help but like feel like it's a little bit of poetic justice when something bad happens to him, right? Humble, humble beast. Like I said, we still talk. We still talk here in there. That's crazy to hear. It is what it is. I forgive, but I don't forget.

You feel me, it is what it is. Life. We all got to die one day. So my notoriety or my name or my reputation or what the Internet think of me, I don't let that just come in between who I am as a person. You feel me? Because I can't take that with me when I die. You feel me?

How did your friendship with Summers and the whole Slay world even begin? They reached out, right? That nigga Summers had seen a trilla about where I was rapping like that, no auto shit. I was rapping that trap shit. And he had to let him idea of it just said it was hard. And we ended a song probably like a month after that. I was still at like probably 5,000 followers, 6,000 followers.

And sooner or later, he peeped that I was good at engineering because that's what I really do. I just like engineering myself. I like fucking around doing shit. shit and he wanted me to help his little brother make good music so i started giving his little brother pointers and shit desires and then that's when you know yeah yeah yeah and then that's when uh they just asked me to go to san antonio one time and i just went and then we went to louisiana where desire were living at the time and we kicked it and uh that was that ever since then i hung out

with them a few more times and it was just what it was by the time i moved to houston we was all together the type of shit. Everybody moved to Houston. And that was just how it went for real. I know. I know, I know, I'm known for years. I know him for years. Oh, brother. For real. I was watching something today because you were saying that, uh, I think Isaiah was mad at you because y'all kind of had like a similar name. And he was considered Slayward at the time, too. And then like, he was kind of hating on you because your name and they kicked him out the group chat and they added you to the group chat. That's how I really just, y'all kind of like

locked in more after that. Yeah, he'd be lying. He'd be lying about how Slay World ended. Because how you just said, that's how Slay World ended. They got into an argument. He was mad because more of them was starting to fuck with me. He was telling him, like, I can't fuck with y'all if y'all going to fuck with this nigga. And like, he just got the same crazy-ass shit.

They removed him. They added me. But I was only in Slay World for like the last two, three months of it. Other than that, it was Double R. So then how did you end up ending it officially? Slay World just collectively ended by itself. Honestly. By the time we was in Houston,

niggas really just stopped saying that shit in their songs and shit. Niggas really just started. I feel like a lot of our money elevated when we went to Houston. The life upgraded, lavaged lifestyles, a lot of crazy shit going on. So I feel like that's where, you know, niggas felt like it was time to revamp it. But that was, that was Ken and Summers' idea type shit to call that shit double-off. I really wasn't a part of calling the double-o.

I didn't have really a say in damn their shit. Would you say it was kind of like just one of these situations I've seen over and over where you have some rappers and they bring somebody around and it's like the little homie, but then all of a sudden the little homie is like more popular than them. That shit never ends well. That's like a recipe for people falling out. That's, that's, I like, I'm glad you said that because that's how it was. You feel me?

That's how it was. It was crazy. I felt a lot of envy, but my heart so big, I wanted these people to be my close friend. Yeah, because I seen some shit you were saying that, because at this time you was having motion and shit. Five, five, six was out? Yeah, five, five six going crazy and shit. So you said Summers was asking you to cop watches for everybody in Double R?

Some shit like that, like he was trying to get you to get him on. No, I saw my deal. I saw my deal. deal and I signed for 100k and I got 75 up front you feel me so at that time I was young as hell but I'm smart bro I know I got a kid at the time I only had one kid like I got a kid with me like all this money I'm not even spending it on clothes I'm still looking like a regular ass nigger while signing a deal because I know every month got to go towards groceries and rent you feel me so he asked me can you let's go cardier watch like let's go like give me a

watches and I'm like hell no because I only got like 20k in my bank you feel me and I got to pay rent all type shit then it got to a point to where he's asking me like buy it and I'll pay you back over like some months of shit like on some layaway type shit and I was like hell no and then I just ended up never doing it we we had we had like a little animosity that's something the internet never knew about but like it was a good four days after that where we wasn't talking type shit Interesting.

I just be having to be smart with my money for. I just seen a lot of rapper. Like, if you go to a lot of these rappers' cribs, bro, on God, I know there's other rappers out there that can agree with me. But a lot of these niggas don't have shit in their fridge. You feel me? A lot of these niggas don't live right. You feel me?

They're not drinking enough water. They just pop up and sipping drink and eating fast food. You feel me? Shit going to fuck them up by the time they're 50. A kid will, like, really force you to live more of a grown-up lifestyle. Like, you can't just afford to not have any food in the crib because the kid's going to get randomly hungry. You can't afford to just be going to bed at any old time

because the kid's going to be waking you up in the morning. Like, it just like forces adulthood on you. Exactly. You got to think smart. You got to move real crucial because that's just real life. That's another human. You got to take care of. You feel me?

You got to raise that human. People don't be understanding that type of shit. So you and summer... You and Summers back, cool. What about Cancann and shit? Because I was close at one point. Y'all talking this shit nowadays? Nah, I really just only talk to Reno here and there.

I wish them the best, everybody having kids or shit. I'd just be in my own lane type of shit. I'll be on kick and just making music. I don't solidify my road to where I don't really need a team around me to make a sustainable living. You feel me? That's how my life is being focused on. Right, because, like, you see the streaming checks and shit, so you know how well you're doing.

Do you just have like a consistent nice lifestyle going for yourself? And does that make you not really like care about necessarily doing all the rapper shit that you could be doing? Yeah, I always, like I said earlier, I always like just knew I didn't want to be a rapper. I just wanted to make music really just the act of creating music, not the act of being a rapper. But the streaming pays mode in the music. So from what, you know, from how I'm seeing it, it's like, it just leads me to not care about, I wouldn't say all the rappers shit, but it leads me to not really just care about music in general.

You feel me? Music is just what it is, what's going on, and the underground is going on when I drop a song, they play it. So that's all that matters to me for real, bro. So, it's a lot of places we can go, because I got a lot of questions. So it's crazy to even hear that you see. You and Reno even back talking to shit, because to me personally, I was keeping up with your career from, like, from, like, way back then. It seemed like he kind of hurt your career with the allegations and shit.

So for you to be the bigger man to kind of like, you know what I'm saying, for y'all to get past that, how did y'all even, like, get on turns? He really, he really, he really helped me. It's a blessing that happened. What made you say that? The people can see who's, the people can see who's really authentic and who's not. You feel me? I just leave it to the people. I got one of my brothers with me.

Like, he's from the hood. He's from the east side of Fort Worth. Like, I got a real deal, like, I got a real deal of life outside of SoundCloud. Like, I didn't start popping up in SoundCloud until 2019. Other than that, I still, I'm born in 03. Still young, but I had a whole rough upbringing, like, all types of shit. shitty-ass house grew up in poverty. No AC, roaches, bedbugs.

My brother I grew up with, he's in jail right now, fighting himself, fence. It'd be a lot of shit the internet don't be knowing about that I'd be having to try and take care of that I be going through. They don't be understanding that type of shit for real. So that's why I say it's a blessing that happened because I'm just living my everyday still normal lifestyle. You feel me? You can tell when a nigga changing around the way he lived, the way he talked. You feel me? We could tell, we could tell what the, what the act is. It's cool. It's entertainment. Some people not hit to it. Some people can look at a TV show and tell it's Some people can watch a TV show and think the acting is amazing.

Like them old-ass white people that be sitting up all day watching, uh, watching an ID watching an ID channel and shit. They'll be like, man, this show is so amazing, knowing them what them act as cheap as hell. Oh, bro. A lot of the, like, YouTube videos that I was watching about you, the little documentaries and shit, they just act like it's like an open and shut thing that, like, you, you snitch. Like, what do you say to people who go for that narrative? Shit, I just honestly tell them.

I honestly tell them when people ask me, I tell them, first of all, why do you need to know? Like, I need a genuine, like, I need a genuine, you know, why are you worried about me? I need a genuine answer. You feel me? Why are you worried about another man?

Okay, cool. You can't answer that. We're on the next question. Do you check up on your mama as much as you hop on the internet and worry about somebody else who don't know you exist. You feel me? Can you show me your phone and show me that you are bugging your mama every day, make it so she is happy,

taking care of, welfare, in a good house, in a good situation? A lot of niggas can't do that, so I just let it be what it be. Like I said, you can't take nothing with you when you die. Look, see, in life, a lot of shit can't grow after you die. Your money can't grow. even if something is natural as a flower If you plant the flower You die, it can't grow

But what can grow The only thing in life They can grow after you die is your kids You feel me? That's an all I'm focused about Anything else when I wake up If it ain't provided for these kids I don't really play too much mind to it

Oh bro That's what I'd be having to say To all that shit to answer your question I don't be worried about it I'm bro So like you don't like Because I feel like a lot of street rappers End up like actually

Even if they aren't the types of people that talk to the media a lot or whatever, they end up kind of coming out and doing an interview and like breaking down why it's not the case or whatever. You're not really like concerned. Because I've seen like people talking about paperwork and everything like that. You're not really stressing it. No, I don't really go around. That's not my job to try. That's not my job to try and go around and make people look at me a certain way. You feel me? You got to be able to see through these niggas. Like, damn, that's what your life. That's what your life is. You're setting up the next interview. You're setting up.

The next interview and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that, to go on your little girl tangents and just look like a clown at the end of the day. You feel me? Because you're sitting there rambling trying to hold on to something that don't matter. You feel me? Like, to me, I feel like the perception I get on me from a rap career, that shit just don't matter. You feel me? Like, it is.

I'm a human, bro. I grew up as a kid. I'm just living life, having fun. You feel me? Do you? Is there anything that happened in that case, though, that you were? in terms of anything. Like, do you wish that you would handle it differently?

Everything, everything happens for a reason, you feel me? Bro, whatever happened, happen. All I wish is I wouldn't have been a part of that shit, for real. Honestly, I had a lot of shit to do. I had better shit I could have been doing, honestly. I felt like I was just, that's what fuck up a lot of rappers. You get too cocky with this money and you just be like, man, I'm top dog. And then you just start committing crimes and shit.

High off drills, thinking of you the shit. Did you leave a lot of the drugs behind at some point? Yeah, I don't fucking out that shit no more. I don't fucking that shit, no. Was it just... Perkinset, lean, all that type of shit. Was it fucking your life up or what? Hell yeah.

That's where a lot of my money was going. What kind of drugs at the time? I was paying rent. Perkinset, Perkinset, and lean. Yeah, because I seen like a story where you all... I think this is the, before this case, you called another case, so you got arrested like you were on Zanz or something at like 15 and they found you on the side of the street, like passed out or some shit with a gun in your pocket or something like that? Yeah, that's when I had died and they brought me back to life. But yeah, I was, I was breaking in the cars and I found a gun.

I was walking home. I was a block away from my house. I took a little break because I was just exhausted. Next thing, you know, I just woke up in a hospital. fell back, passed back out, woke up again like 10 hours later and then just they discharged me. I went to jail. I went to juvenile but that's how that shit went down. I used to be hooked on drugs heavy. I didn't do a lot of drugs growing up. I did ecstasy, Mali, Xenix,

Percocet, lean, acid, and did a lot of that shit out early as age. My mindset used to be like, oh, I'm 13, I'm 14, I ain't done any time soon, you know? I used to go do stupid shit like I was invincible. Oh, bro. Definitely.

Yeah, I mean, it's good that you figured that out early because, I mean, I know it's a shitload of people that are still kind of in that loop. of doing drugs to make it through the day and shit. Nah, yeah, that's not the way to go. That shit, that shit definitely not the way to go. Is there any kind of underground scene where you're at in Texas, or is it like you're totally just isolated from all that shit?

I'm out the way. I'm all the way in the country and shit. I'm just by myself on some cheap keep shit. Just at home with my kids. Cool, man. Yeah, because you're from like Fort Worth, right? Yeah, I'm from the west side of Fort Worth. So what's it seemed like any rappers coming out of Fort Worth right now or?

Yeah, Go Yeo just got out. You ever tap in with him? No, I've never spoke to him before. I ain't seen, I ain't seen CJ drop no shit. I don't really be tapped into no Fort Worth artists like that. I know Dallas going crazy right now. Yeah, are you like into the street music or do you mainly listen to more underground type? shit or...

I dead-ass only play myself Chief Keith Young Boy when it comes to rap like Lil Uzi Juice World and then like

other genres outside of that so I don't really be keeping up with him that too also like I felt like I could have I felt like I could have

I feel like when Uzi said my name in that song he was throwing me like an alley-o but that's just how much I don't seek fame type shit. I just let the ball fly past me type shit for real. You know, like at that moment, when he say my name of the song, I'm supposed to deactivate my Instagram, wait about eight

months, come back, drop some crazy shit, and they capitalize off it. You feel me? Deactivate your Instagram for eight months, but that's like you becoming like dramatically more ducked off from that shout out, right? Like, that's, that's weird that that's where your brain goes. That's the blueprint nowadays. is. Niggas always want to be mysterious. But in order to be mysterious, you got to be, you got to already be in position. You feel me?

How much of a young boy influence you think there is in that? Because I feel like that's the young boy approach nowadays. Like to deactivate the Instagram, come back, click up. But he's consistent. You know, I'm talking more in the Cardi sense. But I feel like you can only like young boy, Dirk, Cardi, etc. I feel like being that rare and mysterious and ducked off that that shit only really works when you're already like huge. And I feel like you're still probably like gaining new fans and shit.

And it just feels like if you get rid of your Instagram for eight months, that could be like kind of devastating. Yeah, it could be detrimental. But I have an understanding that people don't got about the internet, music, underground, SoundCloud, the algorithm type of shit. But I just always been like, I wouldn't that kid growing up like, man, I want to be a rapper. I was that kid growing up like reading how a label works, watching videos on how, you know, this could brand you. How you could brand yourself off of this, brand yourself off of that, you know. That's one of the reasons I always wear the burberry evening or I always just wear the headpiece because like they know me off of something. Oh, the Beanie, the ski master, you know.

So it'd be a lot of shit to where it's like I used to research. I let's shit, you feel me? That's just how I was, I'm bro. I ain't, I ain't really too much. Go to simple way about it, for real. Did you ever, like, speak to Uzi before he shouted you out in that song, or was that just out of nowhere?

Nah, that shit was random. That shit was random. It was fired, though. I grew up listening to Uzi when he first started popping. That shit was hard. Do you got too? Like damn.

You got too much. proud to just say, hey, let's do a song together? No, I ain't go about it the right way, bro. That's why I was saying. Once he said my name in that song, I would have had to take that approach. Like, going goes for eight months is iffy, but the way I would have done it, I know I would have had it in the bag. Like, I feel like when he did that, it's like, okay, can you run with the aesthetic?

And I was just like, no, I don't want to be famous. You feel me? So it's like, even if I did want to do a song with him, I didn't capitalize off of when he said that and come back with the image for it to be interesting for him. You feel me? I mean, you say you don't want to be famous.

It's interesting because when I think about your career, like, even as I'm talking to you, I'm just thinking of like the different artists that I could kind of like see you doing music with and like would you be able to fit in with more of like a street rapper type crowd and shit like that. But is your brain not even really on that

in terms of like expanding your fan base? Are you more just like, no, I'm just going to do whatever the... Like you said, I'm on some Chief Keith shit. I mean, he's the definition of just making the music you want to make and just staying ducked off and not really marketing your shit and just letting your fan base spread it. Yeah, I just let the fans do their thing when it comes to, you know,

making the music, honestly. I got a close connection with all my fans. When it comes to my fan base, it's really like a family for real. Because my shit, not just, oh-so-toxic. Like, I've had a lot of beef or rappers where people think I'm just some toxic-ass nigger. but the reason why I keep such a cultivated fan base because they know I just try to be as authentic as possible

and speak my mind. Sometimes when I speak my mind, it may not be totally agreeable, but that's just where I try to do. But yeah, to answer your question, I just like being on, like, how you said some social shit out the way ducked off, just making the music, not really doing shit.

I'll be dropping a lot for real. Why did you, back in the day, why did you decide to spell your name like that? That was always my IG app. Because of course, J.A.C.E. was taking, so I was just like, fucking, I'm going to spell it a crazy-ass way. Oh, bro. And that's just how that shit came about. But I had to change it because that shit was getting too annoying.

Too annoying from what perspective? Because, yeah, I think of it from the perspective of, like, somebody trying to Google you or search your shit on YouTube. And it's basically like a fucking nightmare scenario. Even though I do notice that, like, when I searched J. spelled either way that it seems like the same shit comes up like at some point the YouTube algorithm figured out that this was the same person but still probably fucking confusing a shit for the average fan you know yeah no most definitely yeah yeah that shit is how it was every time i told people like what my name was i say i-e-y-y-y-a they be like i y-y-a they be doing all types of weird

shit so i'd be like yeah i'd have to change my shit i could imagine that just being like a 10-minute conversation over and over yeah are you still signed with uh simply stupid now i'm independent a word so how long you haven't been rocking with them anymore oh lord can let me close all right all right all right my bad you i said what yeah i was asking about your uh your label situation because for a long time or when i first got hit to you you was signed uh zeke right simply stupid yeah yeah uh we just ended off on good turns But I think, I think, I think we, I think we gonna redo another deal.

Actually. With the same, like you're gonna go back, fucking with assembly stupid? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They was, I was in contact with four labels before I signed with them. I just already knew where my best bet was. What made your shoes do?

The stipulations in my contract. I got to own my masters, it wasn't owned in perpetuity. it was licensed. I got the correct amount of albums I wanted. Keep all my merch money, show money, all types of shit. So it was more like a fulfillment thing? Like you actually like fulfilled the contract

or wasn't like you got dropped or anything? Nah, nah, yeah, I ain't get dropped. Hold on, this nigga trying to come back in my bed is last time. All right, but not, yeah. Do you, like, what do you even get out of signing with a label at this point, though? Like, why not just do your show? yourself are they like helping marketing wise or anything or uh it helps with streaming kind of like interlocks both worlds for real gives me a chance to because what streaming

allowed me to do was turn music from my main income to a passive income you feel me so when when it comes to a deal it's like why not you feel me that's how i look at it now on bro For sure. You know, you had like a few viral moments from back in the day. One of them being is with the whole TwistyP scenario because I believe you were a part of it. Remember, y'all like chasing TwistyP? Where was this at?

This was Texas. Yeah, that was in Houston. Yeah, break down what happened that day? Because a lot of people still don't know what the fuck was going on. I remember that was that his beating the ground, y'all burned it up and shit like that? Y'all spinning on the stop on it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck was going on with TwistyPeeee?

Twisty B. So yeah, break down that day and how do you even know Twisty P? Because we got a long history with Twisty P on this podcast, yeah. I was just watching y'all. I was just watching y'all premiere that interview with him. That shit was funny as hell. That niggas speaking cold, bro. You gotta, you gotta know what type person he is to understand him for him. I feel like he was more normal back when you were dealing with him, and now he's like kind of just out there.

He's out there, but he'd be making sense, but he'd do it in a certain way. I don't know if it'd be on some funny shit for him. That's a little inside joke I got with my people. But, like, what happened with it, he was on TikTok making, like, songs and shit. And he had dissed Summers, deceased grandmother. And he had dissed my kids. He had threatened my kids in the song.

And it was going viral. Like, nigga, I'm playing, I'm at the crib. And Houston playing Collier Duty on the computer. I'm hearing niggas in game chat singing this shit. You know? We were singing that shit like crazy. That was a whole era. but nobody knew

what he really saying in the lyrics you feel me and I just let it be it was going viral I just let it be but which kind of stuff

it was probably a week after that woke up I guess he was in Houston you feel me and that's just how it was the niggas picked him up from the airport he thought it was all cool

and then we beat his ass but he ain't nobody to really just brag about giving an ass whip it to but it was just like A lot of the troll shit on internet Niggas be knowing They're thousands of miles away

So they say anything But the real deal, niggas really will give you a spanking about that shit Bro, no ditty. No ditty. No ditty about TwistyP is crazy. But yeah, I don't know. That is crazy.

It's like he's, I don't know. He's probably one of the more interesting figures to come out of the underground in a lot of ways, but it doesn't seem like his life is going in a very good direction at this point. He could have did baseball. That's what fuck my head up.

Yeah, I've seen that too. You could have been crazy in the league. Could have been crazy. Yeah. His stats was crazy too. That's what people were saying. Walking away from something that's like guaranteed your rich as fuck to do whatever he's been doing, it's hard to wrap your head around. You said you watched the interview.

I don't know what happened to him. You said what? You said you watched the interview. So was he trolling? Is he on drugs? Like, what do you take from watching that way? See, that's what I was about to say? I don't know what.

drugs he's on because growing up I don't seen a lot of twackers you feel me and he's seen he got the traits of one like how we dress and how we move but it's just something about him that's like I don't think he's really just on drug drugs you feel me I think he's taking synthetic drugs if he is on drugs it's synthetic drugs because I ain't never seen them type of synthos before but in the interview I just think look this what I think a twisty bro I think I think he I think he is somewhat competent, but he just be playing around like he the main character in his own world. You know? Oh, bro.

And he liked to, he like to, if you ask him a question, he's not going to answer your question. He's going to answer it with some sort of mini riddle. Yeah. And it's like, nigga, what the fuck? You know? Yeah. I feel like he might not be on, like, drugs. I think he's like schizophrenic, if I had to guess.

Yeah, I got to be. Got to be. Yeah. Something like that. He's an interested person, though. He's interested in the bro. Do you think he's got more hits tucked like that one? Like that one song?

And he says, like, I shoot for fun. Yeah. That one. He could come out. Like, if he could make more songs like that, then he is basically Drake and we need to nurture his talent. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. He can't pass Lil B, but he'll be up there for sure.

No, yeah, but Little B is like a good person to compare him to. it's almost that bizarre. It's based. Do you feel like Twistipee kind of helped get Yit career where it needed to be? You give him that credit? I've seen y'all asking him that. I feel like he had, I feel like he had, I feel like he had, I feel like he had a good part in it.

I couldn't give him all the credit, but I would say he did. How Yee's career was going up, I feel like when Twisty P came around, that kind of gave it like a 10-time boost. Kind of just sped it up real fast. Oh, bro. Because it started to be more of a staple, like Yeats' music. Because when you think of the Yeet era,

you think of that crazy nigga that was walking around doing shit, twisty-pee ass. But now Yeet has such a mainstream fan base that I would assume that, like, 99% of people who listen to Yeet have no fucking clue about the whole TwistyP thing. Yeah, they don't know.

They don't be doing it. Oh, bro. They don't be doing it. Yeep moving like Drake, though. Honestly. Yeah, now he's mega mysterious. We don't really see. I mean, I guess you see some random shit, but very rarely.

Yeah. Who would you say from the underground's great. Yeah, who would you say from the underground besides yourself could, like, actually do? You see Richard Mary's kind of like taking over and getting from the underground lane, taking it to the next level. Did you see that for Rich? Because y'all was somebody who was all cool early on, collabbing and doing shit? And what's your relationship now?

I ain't see that for him. It was crazy when I see that. It was crazy when I see that. What I think of something that's about to hit the mainstream next, I'm thinking about real deal. I really couldn't put my finger on the next big thing. But with all the new talent coming out to underground right now, I do expect that organically it'll be one of these new rappers before Rich and Mary.

You feel me? like I think damn chat y'all gonna get on my ass for this they're gonna get on my ass for this but I think I do think net spending them got a good chance that being pretty up there honestly

when you say them you mean like Osama son net spending them nah not Osama son I don't see him being shit his ass cloning shit I heard him diss him in a song you said he ain't never did shit or something he didst be first

Okay. What do you say about you? Same shit. Everybody could say. You feel me? That's just how I went. So you're saying Netspin is going to blow past? Once you're a rapper and you cloning people, that's forever.

You will never be able to surpass the person you're trying to replicate. You feel me? It's never happened in history of music. Who do you feel like you're trying to replicate? Opium. You get the shit a lot. He even bought the same. masks of these niggas.

What if he signed to him? What if he became official? Then fuck me. He's shit in my face. But other than that, other than that, I don't see it. I don't see it going nowhere too much. But I do think Nespin has a good shot. That's been has a good shot for real. Do you still see Yeet as part of the underground because of the music? Or do you look at it differently because he's so fucking big now?

He's definitely out of the underground now, but he is a staple of like, damn. this is this is the last big uh what would you say like take in sound cloud history what's the next one going to be you know he kind of did it he he fulfilled his job already his mission as far as underground wise but do you feel like his music do you like his new music or do you feel like he's switched up too much i feel like his shit is still weird as fuck right yeah i it's not by cup of tea but i see where he's going with it His last album wasn't my type of shit at all.

I didn't like it. But when you think about it, that shit could be in a few movies or something, you know? A few of them songs on there could be in some films. You know, I think Destroy Lonely was in the new insidious. Mm. That type of shit. Yeah, have you been seeing the shit where people have been saying Yates losing his aura or whatever? You feel like he's kind of losing it since he went mainstream more or no?

Nah, he's still maintaining it. That's just people trying to cope Because he's not interacting with the underground no more Honestly They try to say Cardi lost his aura After that Aiden Rush, he came back Nobody gave a fuck no more Still car, still evil Jordan

Everybody love him You appreciate Cardi's music Or are you over it? I fuck with it I'm a big fan of cash carting But his new shit that's been leaking out lately I fuck with it hard A little deep voice shit

his art. Yeah, that is a fucking weird plot twist, huh? Yeah, yeah. Like, as a rapper? Yeah, I ain't know you'd do this. You didn't used to, you used to be able to switch up your flow, but now you can just switch up your voice. Yeah, that shit.

He'd be coming on some crazy-ass shit. Yeah, bro. Definitely. Yeah, he'd be switching up his voice. That should be crazy. Who linked you with dot com and Rvonne? Because y'all did the cameir video a long time ago. A twisty P.

desk they teamed up to take down twisty was that a label decision or nah dot com nirvon and reached out to me for our first ever video we have we have more of a personal connection than a business connection but i ain't talked to him forever i really need some new shit by him i i ain't spoke to him or forever that's really crazy don't bro yeah that's dot com nirvon yeah that was a classic that's a classic video right there another yeah that's you saying what But you know that video is a whole Twisty P disc, right? All the running and everything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit's hilarious. He made me, that wasn't my idea. He made me do that shit. That's so funny as hell. I can't even watch that video for him. That's a hilarious idea that, like, you know, you have an issue with somebody,

but it's some goofy shit, and, like, they're running, and then you just, like, base the entire song around that. Like, I just felt like you went about making that a disc song in such a cool way. I like that song, too. I made it the same night that happened. That's why my voice was gone.

You know? Oh, really? Damn. I made it the same night. We just be on, it would just be a lot of, it would be a lot of funny shit happening in the underground, like just a little side, like little side shit you won't be expecting. How did you and a can-can start going on the back and forth? Because I think he dropped the song, but then you dropped the song and then one of the songs

you was like, uh, can, can, can catch 50 out this FNNN. Where did the whole, where did y'all even start going back and forth? That was a hard-ass bar. He already had songs this in me, but they was, like, leaking out. But then when he had my cameraman, because my cameraman was cool with all of us. Jay Money, right? Yeah, but it was 88 who shot this one. All right, for sure.

And he was telling Lemime, like, hey, shoot this, Jay's disc for me. And Leime was already telling me, like, I'm not shooting no disc songs for you. Like, that's what he told me. Like, if I got a song shot with Lamine, it's. It's not, it's a song, you feel me? So when Lemine was like, bro, if I shoot this for you, then you can't be mad when I shoot Jay shit, you feel me? And that's just how I was.

He shot their shit, came back to me. He was like, can drop in this tomorrow. He was like, but I'm gonna do your shit, even though I told you I wasn't going to because that's what he told him basically here. If he got to do his shit, then he's going to record my disc. And that's just how I went. It'd be a lot of, it's just a lot of entertainment behind this shit, bro. So you were just be,

You was working with 88 first and J Money? Because I was paying attention to that. I'm like, damn. Like, because I won't. To be truthful, like, Jay Money, I was the only one trying to shoot with Jay Money. Like, Jay Money reached out to damn near all of us, and nobody hit him back.

But, like, I'm like, I'm from Fort Worth. You know, so I'm like, Jay Money, that's Jay Money 10-4-1. Like, hell yeah, he shot with splurge. He did the Uzi shit. Like, hell yeah, I want to shoot, bro. And ever since then, like, we've been locked in. That's my brother for real. yeah but so you were working with him before any other slave were members pretty much that's what you're saying

damn near basically yeah technically yeah i did i did one video with jay money they seen how clean my shit came out and then they was uh then they wanted some videos by that nigger oh bro that's how that that's how that uh trip me out how did you and why be in the mirror getting that back and forth well how do you know him from back in the day right We used to play the game together. Oh, yeah. We was playing San Andreas together. Before he was even lit?

Before any of that. Right. And he was hitting niggas up on Skype. He was like, hey, if you send me $10 on PayPal, I'll shout you out on my YouTube channel. Because his YouTube channel had like a couple thousand subs type shit, some views, because he was doing like the GTA videos, you know? And basically I just went on Say Cheese and talked about that moment. came out and was like, I don't know this nigga from a can of paint. Like, nigga, if I wanted

to lie about knowing somebody, nigga, I would say I knew Shaq. Like, why the fuck would I say I knew Namira, you feel me? So that's when I just hopped on live and was telling them like everything. I only, only somebody that knew of him or knew him could know. You feel me? I'm bringing up close friends. I'm bringing up what they did. I'm bringing up his friends that he brought with him to the fame. I'm bringing up what they did back then. Like the niggas that's hard to find anything about on the internet. And then that's when he just finally admitted like He knew me type shit. That's just how that shit went.

How did y'all even end up in the same online circle from GTA back in the day? Like, you found him through his YouTube shit? Now, this shit was so small. Like, how old you? It's a bunch of nerdy-ass shit, but how I used to work. It's like, you see the niggas doing GTA 5M, right? Yeah. It was basically like that, but San Andreas, so you couldn't talk.

It was just typing. But that's how it was. And basically, like, one of the most popular servers at that time, We was both in it type shit. And then there's just a lot of nerdy shit that linked us up together on Skype. But it wasn't like we was just talking back and forth on Skype. Like, we just came about to each other.

I don't know how to explain it for real. So when he popped off and he took Corday and Almighty Jay with him, were you kind of looking at that shit? Like, damn, I want to be a rapper too. Like, what was your perspective on that? No, so what's crazy, what I never really just talked about publicly, I think I did in a few interviews, I was close, but I knew Almighty Jay.

You feel me? I knew of Namirrit from the Skype situation off the game, but I knew Jay. Like, we was in the same rap group. We was in some little rap group type shit, and it was called Trapp Boy's Family. And when Dave took off, I was more looking at Jay. Like, damn, that nigga made it happen, you know? Because I didn't really know too much of Namir. Just knew him from the game in that Skype situation.

But, like, I was actually making covers for Jay at a point in time. You feel me? So like, that's where I was like, yeah, I knew it can happen for me type of shit because I'm like, okay, this possible type of shit. We're going into, well, when Jay popped off with that song, I can't admit that I was like, damn, the world is starting to go into a different place as far as musically, you know? Because around that time, that's when the little skies and the industry plant method

and this was all popping and the game could be easily extorted at that time. You could just have your way with the rap game at the time. So that's where I noticed like, okay, this shit getting real. Like, the internet is starting to become a real outlet for niggas to make it out. You feel me? Because people forget that for like a long time, if you wanted to be a popular rapper, you kind of needed to be like co-signed by a bigger rapper, like, get signed by a label or whatever. And like during that era, it just really, man, it just felt like everybody.

I could think of a lot of lame-ass rappers that never had a shot. at all ever who got like a million dollars from the label and then never recouped a fucking nickel like the craziest shit ever like it was just such a it was like a crypto boom yeah it was that a lot of that shit back then was crazy um yeah rap rap a lot of them rappers ain't nowhere to be heard from see but what's crazy though it's a lot of the best rappers from way back then passed away now you feel me that's what fuck my head up you know uh nipsy eggs juice world pmb rock so it's like damn that era really don't got nothing left except a little zan i ain't heard a lizanne in years

i don't know where the fuck he been yeah i interviewed him a while back you know it's like it's just crazy when you think about how the world treated them that they treated them like he was the most interesting fucking person on earth and they published articles about it and posted clips of them every day until like just one day boom it just stopped and they were like we don't give a fuck anymore it's over yeah yeah yeah you're smashing

a little zan right yeah that's what I'm talking about yeah yeah he was smashing up cars and shit yeah but it was just very abrupt with them they went from like talking about every single thing he did to just not mentioning him at all yeah that's how the industry worked

for real you only you only You as an artist, no matter how much control you have through a contract, you still got, like, limited control with how you're relevant. You feel me? Like, you can do your best, but sometimes the mass majority just control that shit. That's how that shit be. I mean, Lil Zane was never really that good musically,

and then he didn't take the music serious at all, you know? Like, he didn't really, like, go crazy recording and shit. And, like, a lot of people go crazy recording, and they still don't really, like, come up with that much good music, but he didn't even really try. He was just kind of partying his ass off. Hell, yeah, no, yeah. That's what I'd be noted.

Nobody really be caring about music no more, like, about the music. Like, I'd be trying to make shit where I can really have people relate. Like, I like talking about shit, for real. Like, because if you look at the underground on the spectrum, my music is the only music that sounds like it's made in a studio booth, you know? The sort of aesthetic is SoundCloud music is to have that distorting this to it. some shit you can buy to all that type of shit but I'll just be trying to aim to make like real

tight music for it. Definitely. So okay, back to the Namir thing though, when did you guys start beefing? Because you guys had this infamous Instagram live call where you're getting on his ass for the GD to Crip thing. Where did that come from? So when we was in the

like where did it come from or how did it come about on the live? Yeah, why did you guys get on live in the first place? We were already arguing about something? Yeah, so it was one of He said he didn't know me after that interview. And I basically went live and was like, nigga, if I didn't know you, why would I say I knew you, you're not nobody to lie about? I could lie about knowing so many more crazier people. And when he hopped on live, he kept saying, he kept acting like he swore up and down.

He didn't know me. He was putting that on gangs and all types of shit. And that's what drove me to start talking about shit only I could know. and then it brought me to bring up how there's a video of him on the internet that still don't got too many views and he's freestyling outside of a car and he's banging GD and now he's banging Crip so I was asking him how did that even happen you know and I guess he just couldn't even really explain for real I guess it caught him off guard same shit but that's how that shit went about I just started talking about shit that only I could know

Yeah, I wonder if that was the first time anybody had ever said that to him. Yeah, I've never seen it before. He hit you with the classic answer of, it just happened. It happened. Oh, bro, that shit legendary. Who was the dude up on the live with you? I think because that guy also, he was in Slay World too, right? The fat dude?

Nah, he's in Double R. That was Day Road. Word. His name is something like that. And the whole Double R came about from a Young Boy song. That's where they got the name from. I think I seen you say that too recently. Yeah. Hell yeah

shit came from the young boy song I little double R was fucking with young boy heavy Yeah you were saying like I used to talk to young boy on Discord or some shit Or you think it was young boy No They used to talk to a fake page

And I had nothing to do with it And they said it was young boy And I thought it was funny as hell Because I really felt And pretty much know that that wasn't a young boy But the nigger was sending voice messages It did sound like young boy but I know it wasn't.

I think it was just a troll or something. But, like, it was just funny. It was just a random-ass moment I remember. Yeah. I remember a minute ago, you and Boba Lam was going back of Fourth, too. What's y'all relationship right now? Yeah, he's about to come out. He about to come out here in a few weeks.

Oh, word. We're going to do a stream together. Bob Lamb, he cool. I just don't like some of his takes, and I just don't like how he talk sometimes. Like, I feel like to be a professional. To be a professional blogger or, you know, influencer when it comes to the music or underground music,

I feel like you can't hold a bias, you know, and I feel like he shows too much of his bias. That's the only thing I don't have a problem with. I mean, the only thing I do have a problem with type of shit. Give me an example of a bias that you feel like he had. Was it against you? Nah, he'll have biases against a lot of people. He'll, you know, you can just go to his YouTube

and you'll see his kind of takes on certain. things and it's like there's a difference between giving your take on something and then just flat out being like oh this artist because it's been mowed in me like he'll just bust out and be like this artist label is paying me for promo this artist is doing that you know and he just makes it look all goofy he makes it look like the artist need him you feel me I feel like he has too much ego sometimes but other than that I think he'll cool do it I fought with some of his takes that's cool that you're down to do content with them and shit like that because i mean a lot of people in the underground are kind of socially retarded and like don't really like seem like they could hold the conversation

on camera and i feel like that's part of what makes you kind of unique for the underground like aside from the fact that you have like a lot of beefs and shit with people that you just are very like speak your mind just will say whatever about people but it's just also the fact that you're like a good communicator and can actually hold a conversation and i can't really say that about a lot of people in the underground. Yeah, it's all for the aesthetic. I just like giving the people what they want. So I'm interesting, honestly.

I've always, growing up, it wasn't just music. You know, I've always thought, like, okay, I could do content one day. I could do stream and I could do YouTube. Like, that's some shit. I feel like I could be able to do, you know. I would be able to do. And I'm just made that shit happen for real. So I feel like, go ahead.

Do you feel like the streaming takes away? from your aura or like the mysteriousness at all or is it just worth it because that's just who you are shit i've never tried to be mysterious i've dropped like every month i ain't go lie i drop like every month i don't be promo and shit i don't be doing rollouts for a lot of shit i just throw shit out there and just keep streaming honestly i just feel like um option too what you gave you know it kind of just works for me it's what i like to do is fun uh all that's all that's type of shit. I feel like it's just whether it passes time, it's

cool to chill and talk to the supporters all that type of shit, you know? But yeah, it ain't, I ain't really looking for no mysterious aesthetic type of shit. That shit wouldn't work for nobody like me because of the type of presentation. I feel like it's hard to be mysterious after you have

certain presentations on the internet. You feel me? Like if you already have a whole history of shit from point A to point B, I feel like it'd be hard to go mysterious. Cardi kind of got that early. Cardi was like, you knew Cash Cardi. He went ghost, didn't hear from him for like forever,

and then he came back on that crazy shit. Oh, yeah, definitely. But what do you mostly do on stream? And like, what do you feel like you get out of it that you really appreciate just that direct connection to your fans? Yeah, on stream, I either just be watching YouTube videos, catching up on the music scene, playing games, shit like that.

to the supporters, all that type of shit. It'd be going up. It'd be going up. What I feel like I just really gain from it is the connection, like really just being able to personally engage. Because like an Instagram Live is an Instagram Live. It's a difference between Instagram Live and streaming. I feel like the people really get to learn me as a person,

to figure out who I am type of shit. How long have you been finding this case now? It's been like at least two years. Like two, three years? It's been like two years. Two years. When you think this is going to be resolved so you can finally get back out of Texas, get back on the road and shit?

Shit, sometimes so. Sometimes so shit. Are y'all all still fighting it or just you? I don't know too much about, I don't know. I don't really know. I think we all. It's a lot of shit. I can't speak about a lot of shit that's going,

but I know what's it. We just, we still fighting it, but shit. They're gonna be over, probably like this year or something like that, hopefully. Oh, bro. Any plans, as soon as you get off, well, as soon as you're able to rotate and get back out here, what do you got planned or what are you looking forward to do? Shit, hit New York. Hit New York a lot, honestly.

I fuck on New York heavy. That's really it. Why New York? Why do you have so much love for New York, yeah? something about it. I don't know. I'm a person who don't sleep in my sleep schedule be all types of fuck them. New York don't never sleep. You feel me? It's always something happening

out there. You feel I mean? It's dirty as hell at night. Manhattan, at least. It's just interesting to me. I like all the activity going around. You don't feel like it's you know, all I know is country growing up. I fought with that type of shit. So at one point

it was announced that Cole Bennett was going to do the 5-5-6 video with Offset. NG Herbo, but then that never came out. What happened with that? It had leaked. It was just over at that point. The video leaked? Nah, the song.

Oh, really? So it was around this time. I know Trippy talked about it. It was a big wave. It was just a fat-add list of rappers getting their shit. Sim-Swapped. And I was one of them. Trippy got this shit swimming with Sim-Swap.

Warhol got this shit. Swim Swip. That's how I got Sim-Swap. Because whoever's Sim-Swap, message me and was like let's do this song then sent me an iCloud link

and I clicked the iCloud link like a dumbass and the next thing you know all this music leaked by the next day and that was one of the songs wow so that just like killed the momentum to actually do it yeah

because everybody already just had access to it wasn't no point interesting the last one I got is just why did you diss slump sixes Why do I or why did I? Why did you?

Like, what was that about? Because the YouTube video I saw, I said that it was just because he, like, played one of your songs at a show, which sounded like wasn't really that big a deal, right? Um, nah, see,

I was still early in my career. I was still low on followers, all types of shit. I probably had, like, 40K. And slump, he was already established before me because he was already on top of the TikTok shit.

Oh, shit. A hater was in my DM talking shit, and we was going back. back and forth. And the niggas was like, Slump Six is better than you or something like that. And he was saying he was cool with Slump Sixes. But I'm so early, I'm not used to the trolls. So I'm not knowing he's just a random-ass trolls.

So then that's when I sent them the video of Slump playing my shit at the concert. It was like, but them niggas fuck with my music, you know, like talking my shit, you feel me? And then he responded. Then I respond. That's how you shit. But yeah, my biggest songs, some of my biggest songs, some of my biggest, you know, songs where the diss this this on slump and the dis on down me and the dis on twisting

but so would you say that's like a current thing or do you not give a shit you actually hold the grudge against them nah i don't care it's all music to me at the end of the day like i said earlier in the interview it ain't nothing you do to me as a person it would take a lot for me to really just want the worst for you you feel me because i know what type of energy that brings when you when you push that out I feel it. Any new music you're working on? You said you're always working on music and shit. Anything dropping soon? What you got, cooking up? Yeah, I'm working on a, I'm working on an album right now. That shit crazy as fuck. That shit mainstream as fuck. That shit, like, that shit real deal of music for, like, I'm reaching out to grown folks. I'm reaching out to my mama. She's showing her friends. Like, I'm getting validation from, like, older folks on this music. You feel me? This is most of shit that you could. It's still some SoundCloud, vibey shit in there. But the main focus of the song. songs on the project on the album is like shit anybody can play in their car you hear that

shit the car you can hear that you could play it anywhere nobody won't be like damn he need to turn that shit down you know it's like real deal music you feel me and uh me get my hands on most shit like starting to work with hardware because like I said I'll be engineering my own shit be editing my own videos doing my own covers so like I just been locked in this room fucking around with different music equipment producing beefs. I produced a lot of this shit on this album. A lot of the mainstream shit too, which is crazy. Yeah, because I...

Just that trying to focus on evolving. I was, like, really, like, kind of surprised by how much I liked your music when I was listening to a bunch of it, because I feel like... I feel like when I first heard about you, I realized that your name was spelled like that and pronounced like that, and I was just kind of felt like it was some, like, mega underground oddball shit. But then when I was listening to it the other day, I was, like, getting really, really into it.

I gotta listen to more of the recent stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's how I be, when people be coming in my chat telling me these popping, I'd be thinking the same shit, like, I don't know who they all. He probably lowest of the underground just on some real, you know, that real authentic underground shit, some shit you got to have an ear for it to listen to. I try to make music for everybody to have her ear for, you know. My last question is when the hip-hop Civil War starts and you have to pay. pick sides between Drake and like Kendrick Lamar and future and Rick Ross, which side are you

going to go be willing to die for? I need to ask every rapper that question. That's a good question. I think I'm going to go, I think I'm going to go slide for Mario Judah. I ain't going to lie. I don't think I can get behind Drake or Kendrick McA. I think I'm sliding behind Mario Judah. We got to figure out, damn, Mario Judah is like a rogue warlord that'll just be like taken

over some like patched in the. the woods or some shit. That's where you want to be. If it's a hip-hop Civil War, your ass gonna be with, you're gonna want to be with Mario fucking Zuda. His ass do some crazy. He pulled a witch spell out of some shit. Don't know what the fuck he might do. Am I crazy or was Mario Judah's music actually kind of good, especially like him doing the like what he thought that a whole lot of red was going to sound like. That shit used to be stuck in my head. That shit was pretty good. I was like, yeah. I ain't seen. bro. This he used to be a BFP to Pac-Man.

Oh, that was a good era. Type of funny shit. BFB is funny as fuck. Yeah, no, that was a good man right there. All right, Remo, you got anything else? Nah, that sounds it up, man. Just looking forward to hear some new music from you, though, for show. So, yeah, I appreciate it, bro.

It was good talking to y'all for shit, so. No, for sure. And I'm definitely going to make sure to check out the latest music on the drive home right now. So I'm going to tap in. Yeah, I'm definitely appreciate that. Appreciate you, man. Jace. Rimo.

Thank you very much. No Jumber. Coolest podcast on the world. Appreciate y'all.