No Jumper - Jason Lee Goes OFF on Meg & Tory, Doja Cat, Lil Boosie & More!

Episode Date: December 21, 2020

Jason Lee gives us a delightful interview and shares some of his gems, artists career advice, his candid and witty opinions, hilarious takes on celebs and also explains how he built his media company, how 'Gagging with Jason Lee' came about, his new venture with Fox Soul, why he parted ways with Love & Hip Hop and how he flipped it to his advantage. https://www.instagram.com/theonlyjasonlee/ https://twitter.com/theonlyjasonlee https://www.instagram.com/HOLLYWOODUNLOCKED/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper coolest podcast on the world. And today we got Jason Lee back on the podcast. We did one FaceTime Zoom type interview previously. But here we are in real life. I appreciate you for inviting me. I'm just on the way over. I was like, what trouble am I getting in today? Really? Every time I say some, people don't understand me. Really? No, they don't. Well, because you sort of walk around with a brain full of all kinds of crazy celebrity gossip, as you should. I guess it's kind of an imperative thing for your line of work. But I mean, you know, a lot of people don't really go out of their way to know about what's going on with celebrities. And this is just very clearly your hustle that you've found yourself. Well, see, that's the thing.

I just love celebrity culture. I've always loved it from a kid. I love celebrity culture, pop culture. I had Word Up magazine on my wall. I've been at the biggie concerts. I've been a fan of this shit. And then, you know, when I was looking at all the people that were making 90% of the deals I was bringing through and I was taking 10%. I'm like, no, I'm going to get the 90%.

But I'm also going to figure out how to own some type of. but IP in it. So it was more tech and then like I'm going to get my money. But then I just put my personality on it and then just say crazy shit, you know, like you. Right. A little bit like me, yeah. Sort of. That's interesting though. So for the people who don't know,

let's do a brief summary of how you exactly started the whole Hollywood Unlocked thing. What was your goal in starting this? So, okay, this is how people think I'm fucking smart, but I am smart, but I'm like, I'm simple too, right? My idea of Hollywood Unlocked was I was

going to unlock Hollywood. I was going to give a platform, you know, a trusted platform where celebrities can come and share their perspective or their point of view. You know, if TMZ writes something that's not true, which is a lot of the times, especially when it's with black people, I'm going to give them a platform where they can come in and say their point of view. And that's really what started. And I thought like, yo, celebrities are going to gravitate towards that.

Then I got in the business and realized how naive I was and that, you know, celebrities don't function that way. And these are packaged brands where they're selling a lot of shit that ain't real. and they want us all to keep promoting that. So once I got into it, I saw what it was, especially getting on loving hip hop, with all these artists who were musicians, but nobody had a song on the radio.

I was like, you know what? Now, I'm going to just say what I think. If I think it's hot, it's hot. If I think it's whack, it's whack. And it's just what I think, but I'm going to try to like quantify it by saying, here's why I think it's whack. Here's what I see. And some people like it and some people don't.

And I don't care. Because as you know, regardless of people like what we say or not, if they click it, watch it, share it, we get money. Right. But that's the problem for you is that you could very easily sort of reveal Hollywood's secrets that are going to destroy people's lives and cause insane controversy and commotion within their relationships and shit. And then I'm sure that you're very much in the know about the stuff that TMZ knows but doesn't post. It doesn't go through with. And I'm sure you have those secrets as well. It's kind of the reality of just being in the media business is that you're just going to know about things that you can't talk about publicly. Well, I mean, I can't talk about it, but I think it's a constant negotiation of like, okay, am I going to share this and lose an opportunity to get that exclusive from them where I can bring it up, where I can finesse them out of sharing the information, or am I going to like kill off this relationship by putting something out? I mean, most people that know me personally, whether it's a Serena, Williams, or a Cardi B, they know they can trust me. But they also know that at some point we have to either do an interview or you have to share some content or participate somehow where I can still grow. and still put information out to my audience.

But, you know, am I going to, if I'm on a trip with somebody and I see something, am I going to put that out? Nah, they know private time is private time. But if something goes down and they know it's going to get out, they know I'm going to need to report it first, so you might as well participate in that process. And it always doesn't happen that way. There's people like, you know, there's people that just don't like me.

You know, they don't like a story that I did. And so as a result of that, they think, oh, I'm not going to fuck with him. Well, guess what? You got to fuck with me because we write about you every day. Now you're just not involved in the fucking with me. So I'm going to keep fucking with you until you realize you've got to fuck with me. Okay, but that's the weird part is that you as a guy who runs this website, you're saying that if you see blank famous athlete, you know, rapper, whatever, you see him in the club. You see him with a girl that you know is not his wife.

That does not fall under your jurisdiction of things you want to talk about. See, that's different. We're in a public forum. I was in Dallas one time on my book tour and Lou Williams was there and I ain't going to lie. I kept glancing over out the corner of my eye in the midst of sipping on my sarac to see what the fuck he was doing because I'm infatuated with Lou Williams. He's always fucking somebody or something, you know? And so I kept looking but I couldn't see who he was with. Now, if I would have saw him there with somebody he wasn't supposed to be, I would have filmed it and I would have put it out.

Now, if he was there with a transgender, I wouldn't do that because I don't out people. That's one boundary. So, like, I don't out people. But, I mean, and he's straight. But, you know, he had a weekend off and he was interested in trying something new. I wouldn't put that out. We all have a trans week here and there. Well, I haven't had.

Oh, shit, I have had a trans experience. Fuck. Really? Yeah, it was against my will. I mean, not against my will. It was just like, I got tricked. It was some fucking, it was some shady shit. Really?

Yeah. Fucked me up for a long time, too. Interesting. Yeah. It fucked you up. Fucked me up. And I was gay at the time. You know, I was gay at the time, had a trans experience, and was fucked up as a result.

You remember Stoney and set it off when she was scrubbing her face in the shower after she fucked him for that check. That's how I felt. You thought you were hooking up with another man. Yes. And then he had a surprise. He had a surprise vagina. Oh my God. That was like, you know, when Christmas comes and you get a gift you don't want, it was kind of like that.

Holy shit. That's incredible. That's interesting though that you want out people because I was just reading this article about how, like, were you a fan of Gawker during the day day? I remember Gawker. I wasn't in it like that, but yeah, I knew about it. So basically some of the guys from Gawker were working on a movie or a TV show about Gawker. Apple TV decides that they want to fund it and they signed up. At a certain point, Tim Cook realizes that Apple is now basically in the business of like writing history about what Gawker was.

And it's very interesting because Gawker's public image is really kind of taking a hit over the years. And like there's just a lot of that stuff seems very different in modern times. But basically Apple shut it down. They said, we don't want anything to do with this. And in particular, Tim Cook, his gay identity was exposed by Gawker at a time when he wasn't necessarily, you know, it wasn't the CEO Apple. And you definitely could have made the argument that he was kind of a private figure that maybe shouldn't necessarily have that put out there. And I mean, that that's one thing that it seems like the media as a whole is kind of agreed upon is that it's not their place. to be stating who is gay in their private life.

Yeah, and I'll just say that for me, it's less about what the collective is saying and just more of being a gay man who has met kids who have come up to me and says, yo, you're my role model. I see you out here fighting to get in MTV and fighting on loving hip-hop. Not literally fighting.

That was before my past life, but fighting to get in rooms where we can be seen. And so I just look at that. And I remember when I first did loving hip-hop and the person that I was involved with was outed and then running into those kids and then those kids telling me that their father used to beat the gay out of them. And I was just so emotionally connected to that moment that I just said,

you know, I have to make sure as much as influences I have over the culture with my little lane, I'm going to make sure as little as it is or big as it gets that like I at least am standing for something. So kids are off limits. Outing people are off limits. But everything else for the most part is pretty much open. Okay. So you can cheat. But it's interesting though. It just feels like that being the one thing that people shouldn't be allowed to be exposed for. It does feel a little strange. Not that it's even something to be exposed for it because it is like we exist in a weird time as a society where anybody would want to be secretive about being gay.

You'd think that at some point within the next couple decades. Just busted open. Literally and figuratively. Just live out your truth. But now cheating on your wife, that's the whole different thing. How many people are running around talking about hashtag protect black women? Okay, protecting them. is also not fucking around on them with another bitch, right?

Like, if you have a woman at home, she's raising your kids, but you ain't home and you leaving your kids there to be raised by a single black mother, you didn't create it a whole baby mama. You're not a real nigger. So at the end of day, if I'm the one that puts that out and ruined your house, maybe your dick and that other vagina was what ruined your fucking house.

You know what I mean? Like, rapper's paying these ugly bitches $16,000 to fuck them. Like, what are you doing? Let's rip that one open. No, put that in the cage. Did you see her? I mean, $16,000. You know what I could do with $16,000?

Right. It doesn't seem like a lot. Trash. I haven't heard about pussy going to that kind of rate in a long time. I mean, you can get it for the low out here right now. I had $16,000. Right. You can rent me for $16,000.

Any rapper out there looking for some love on the low, holl at me. I need $16 grand right now. The vast majority on my life, I would have committed most sex ex for $16,000. I did it for a good meal at Boa. I mean, you know, I'm easy. Boa. That doesn't occur to you that you should make your hustle like the Hollywood Fix guy, just sort of like hanging out by Boa every night, just sort of waiting to get a clip.

No, I, you know, I try to, listen, as much as I'm seeing as the bad guy, and don't get me wrong. I love when people get all mad about shit I do. Like, I look at it online. They're like, you fucking bag. I'm going to kill you, you son of a bitch. I'm like, hey, if you can get to this house, get in this house and get out without getting killed, you come and get me. But I will tell you, as much dirt as they think I. do, I really am behind the scenes too, like, hey, you know, maybe this ain't a good look.

You know what I mean? Maybe you should probably switch that up because there's no way I cannot talk about this if it keeps happening because we've talked about it. You know, I get calls. Some celebrities be like, yo, I thought we were cool. I'm like, we are cool. Hollywood Unlock has a different relationship with you than I do. Jason Lee loves you, loves your music, loves your family.

Hollywood Unlock thinks you a no shit, niggas. So y'all got to figure out that relationship. Right. That's how I talk about it. Yeah, no, I respect that. But, okay, $16,000. It's a lot. I assume that the built-in, there's a component of that's $16,000 that is her keeping

a fucking mouth shut about it, right? Absolutely. Who, by the way, I did go back and see your Pornhub video. I didn't believe that you had done Pornhub. I was like, this motherfucker is crazy. And then Connor over here, he knows all the other you craziness. Of course, I had it. But anyway, congratulations.

See, you live in your truth. Just had a baby, so. Congratulations. That's the thing. You live in your truth, and that's why you're successful. That's why no matter what people say about you, you already put your shit out there. That's what I respect. Those are the people I could gravitate to and I can't fuck with it.

I can't fuck with a package brand or like this fake image or whatever you're trying to create. I think that nowadays, first of all, you shouldn't pay $16,000 for no pussy or no dick. He overpaid. A certain point of you overpay for something, that becomes news in and of itself. And she said little baby had a huge dick. So if the dick was good and you paid $16,000 for it, your value. you're undivided yourself. I love the fact that he beat the fuck out of this pussy that apparently did an amazing job. So it was the best dick that she ever got in her life. And she got $16,000.

And she told. Baby, little baby, the baby too. Howl at a nigga. Like I got, I mean, I'm not a pimp, but I got girls who will have fun with you, whether you're paying 16 racks or we're just having a good trip, they ain't, people ain't out here looking for that clout. But when you fuck around and stick your dick in a barracuda who just got free from their cage and found a way to get the bag in the middle of a pandemic. And this is what happens. Now we're talking about it. I actually really like Little Baby.

I never even wanted to talk about this story. But the dick is good and you pay money for pussy. You're going to get talked about. But do you emphasize with his struggle that he's out here. He's super famous. He's the best year of his life. He's got a high profile attractive girlfriend. Apparently she wasn't around that night.

He wanted to get it in and not get snitched on. So he pays the high, high price of $16,000. And I mean, do you have any respect for, I mean, I think we can all agree that we respect his attempt at secrecy. Yeah. You just got to be careful with who you trust with this. Yeah. To any rapper or any singer out there, I will never respect your girl more than you do, right? And so, like, if you don't respect her enough to not cheat on or get caught, you can't expect me as a person who runs a business talking about celebrity culture and celebrity life, whom of which you've become a celebrity and benefited a lot from it.

and then created a celebrity relationship probably for benefit of brands or deals. You can't be mad that we sit back and lift the veil on a broken situation because you created that, right? You created that crack in your veil. So you create the crack and I see it, but now I'm not supposed to speak about it.

I think there's also something to be said about celebrities who have like this ideal that we are supposed to preserve their packaged images like Doja Cat, right? I couldn't wait to put out that she was a fucking racist. I couldn't wait to wait to put out that she was a bitch with a bad lineup. I couldn't wait to put up all the dumb

shit that she did. And then she was calling everybody saying, I fucking hate him. Bitch, I'm a reflection of you. So how are you mad at me? What I do? All I did was say to my staff, you know, that's pretty interesting. She's a black girl that doesn't like forcey hair. You should probably talk about that. Let's have a conversation. And then I'm the bad guy. But it's cool. I'm cool with that. Do you really feel like she's a racist? Because I've dug into this as much as I and I'm well aware that I'm not necessarily the person who should be having the strongest opinion about this. But when I saw the thing that she said about the four-C hair, it felt like she was kind of making fun of herself for her hair being whatever texture that it was. I didn't walk away from it really feeling like she was a racist.

But you're making it sound like you had that belief about her before even the stuff came out? No, before it, before it, she was talking about, she was using the F word. She was calling people faggazors. She was using that. So there was that. And when she was dressing up like a cow and everybody was on her titty, I didn't understand it because I don't listen to cow music.

But when she was using the F word as somebody that doesn't support that, I had an issue with that. But I didn't go in on her. She came on while and out. We were on the same team together. Didn't interact with her much because she wasn't funny. But what I did say when she ended up doing the whole forcey hair thing and rolling around in the bed,

tantalizing white men. saying, hey nigger and this and that, in the spirit of the Black Lives Matter movement, wow, there's so much activity going on around the country and around the world, I felt like maybe the timing was bad, maybe somebody put it out right at that time so it could have a bigger impact. But it just demonstrated that she really is ignorant and that she doesn't have people around her to say, girl, like, maybe you shouldn't do that. Or she has the arrogance to not give a fuck. But either way, she put it out for public consumption. And here we are, I'm not consuming Doja Cat anymore. I just feel like she has the sort of.

of like edgy online style of humor that maybe doesn't fall in line with this sort of average style of humor that is accepted by the sort of, I mean, maybe the average viewer of your content. I felt like when you saw her in those video chat rooms with all these fucking white dudes and stuff, that's sort of informative about the type of shit that she thinks is funny. She's like very like sort of deep, ironic internet style of comedy that once you reach her level a celebrity is just never going to be accepted by the masses and they're just going to take everything that she joked around about in a very literal way. And I don't know. I just, I can't help but feel through the whole doge that this is like a perfect example of society just wanting to

build up a celebrity and then sort of tear her down as soon as they're done building her up. Yeah, that's the narrative that I heard in, you know, media, we always get attacked or people who have shows or point of views. We always get attacked when we have to talk about the obvious. but the fact of the matter is is that she actually indulged in all that bad behavior, which she thought was funny. But when you're a celebrity and you do things to say a normal person would do, maybe you guys could do the same thing, but when you benefit millions and millions of dollars from the public,

and then you built a brand that you've sold these people on to buy into, and then other things come out, you have to stand behind everything you've done and hope that it adds up to what they've invested in. And it's not my fault or your fault or TMZ. Why fuck TMZ? But it's not our fault as people who drive the culture in having points of view that your jokes that you thought were funny that maybe a normal person could get away with didn't add up when people thought they invested in something else. It's sort of like if you invested in if you wanted some French fries for McDonald's.

When you go to McDonald's, if it don't have the right amount of salt on them, you want your money back because that ain't what you paid for. And that's the same thing. Do you think her career has taken like an actual hit or is it more of like a perceived online hit? Yeah, I think that I think there was a bump in the road for sure that will always resurface if things happen. But she just did a deal with pretty little things. My friends owned pretty little things. She did a million dollar deal with them. But that brand was just accused of slave labor in London.

And so if you're somebody who's accused of racism or being a part of participating in racism, you probably shouldn't do a brand deal with a brand that's accused of a slave culture at their business and profiting off of tax, whatever, you know, where they were the COVID relief for their employees. employees in their workshops. But that's again, just caring about the money and consumerism, less about branding and like aligning your values with that. Rihanna's never going to do that. Rihanna is going to always align herself with what she believes in. And that's what makes her superstar and why we'll always continue to buy into Rihanna. And Doja Cat will never be at a Rihanna level. I don't care how many cowsuit she has. I don't give a fuck if she runs around or puts wings

on and flies around like Batgirl. She will never be a Rihanna. Megan the Steyer, will never be a Beyonce or she'll, she's barely a Meg and the Stallion. So I mean, like, these artists who are like striving to become greater than they are than they believe they can be, it's like put the guns and the alcohol down and stop fucking niggas who are four foot two and then focus on the music. You know what I mean? Right. Okay. So the Meg thing, that's probably the biggest thing that has happened since we last did our last interview. Your perspective on not just what you believe happened in this scenario, which seems like there's still some lack of closure on exactly what happened there, but also how the public fallout has been and everything.

Yeah. Yeah. So people are upset that I was very vocal early on about- You had issues with her before all of this. Well, I liked Megan the Stallion. And let me be clear, I still like her as a woman. She's a nice, sweet girl. People think that I just hate her like I don't like Doja Cat.

Very different situation. Megan the Stallion is a very sweet girl. if you ever meet her, she's nice. I think she just has a drinking problem. And when she drinks, she behaves differently. And there's just so many examples now that have occurred since we last talk that show that she needs to probably take care of the drinking. I've criticized her on a personal level that after having connected her Ricardy

and then them develop in a relationship that has become very profitable to her and has been probably the biggest musical experience she's had so far, besides collaborating with Beyonce, but Beyonce didn't tweet. out so nobody really cared. You know, the fact that she has not shown the same affection or inclusion in interviews and content as she has with black media, she

has with non-black media, I was the first one to call her out for it with Marie Claire. And everybody was like, oh, he's a fucking hater. He always attacks black women. All the narrative people have been saying. Then Charlemagne says it, and everybody's like, oh, why is Megga not talking to black press? I'm like, y'all had to wait to the breakfast club said it, fine. You're

just saying I don't have enough influence. But either way, bitches, I'm going to always tell you what I see. Because Hollywood unlocked is lifting the veil of what's actually happening in Hollywood. And so I got criticized for that. People attacked me. But, you know, it's just the truth. And the truth will set you free. And in this case, it will free people from thinking that Megan is this glossy brand that they bought into.

Before we even get further into this, I do think that there's like, and again, like, I have always thought that Meg was dope. Like, I've always wanted to see her win and everything. But there is something sort of odd happening within her. her career where it feels like she's getting all this praise from all these non-hip hop entities. And then... See, you're going to start a problem up here. Then I'm going to have trouble. But she's not necessarily getting the same level of enthusiasm from the rap fan.

So when you're winning the American Music Awards, when you're being involved in all this sort of like mainstream white media stuff, but then at the same time, hip hop is not necessarily feeling like they're getting exactly what they want from you. that creates a sort of uneasy dynamic where it becomes very easy to hate on you and I worry that that sort of is the dynamic that is being allowed to unfold in her career which it seems like she has enough people around her

that should tell her you don't want this much mainstream press at a certain point at a certain point the slow buildup is more worthwhile in this moment I realize that Adam 22 is better than me and that's because I just realized it's my delivery that makes people get distracted by the message because we just said the same thing and and that right there which you just said if people can just take that clip and loop it and loop it and loop it and DM it to

DM it to Megan the stallion right now please because that is the thing I will never forget years ago Queen Latifah who I've been friends with for 27 years now if you want to talk about hip hop you want to talk about somebody who longevity you want to talk about somebody who took the game flipped the game manage the game fucking change the game like Queen Latifah is like a huge huge blueprint for that, okay? She took hip hop, turned that into living single, turn that into bringing down the house, turn that into jazz music, turn that into all types of things. And I think that goes back to the longevity. One thing she told me when I started in this business was get your people first. Get your people first and make sure that they are invested in you and be solid with them.

And then take them on a journey with your career, but never forget them, always include them. And then when you get that affection from mainstream media and all of that, you'll still be accepted by the culture. I never forgot that. And so that's why I haven't been out here trying to get in Vanity Fair. That's not my affection. And if I get there, cool. But if I keep doing the breakfast clubs.

And if I keep doing this and the shade room keeps hosting our content, which they do in the neighborhood talks and the ball alerts. But we've also been in Vanity Fair. We've also been in Vogue. We've also had TMZ and different people pick us up. So I think with her, my criticism, if I have to strip away all the antics, is that it's just what you said. Like, focus on why you got in the game, hip hop, build more support from the hip hop community. I think Nikki Minaj did a great job of that when she first came out.

I think Cardi B did a great job when she did it. And if you go all the way back to Lil Kim, Little Kim did it too with Junior Mafia, Lox, and all the people she collaborated with. That I think is missing. And I think her sensationalism or her idea that mainstream affection is going to translate to a long-lasting career. And I just don't see it happening. I think they built her up too fast in the mainstream area without having that real strong, solid hip-hop and culture support. And what's going to happen is she's going to fall flat, be super famous, broke, and irrelevant. Yeah.

I was looking at Apple Music the other day and it decided to put in front of my face. the albums that made Meg the Stallion a star. And I was just thinking to my head, I'm like, no, that is not how this worked. Like, her music didn't really make her a star. Right. And it's not that she's bad at making music, but I don't feel like her musical output. Like, when I listened to her new album, that was the number one thing I thought was she would be doing the best thing she could possibly do right now if she made an album that hip-hop as a whole thought was the shit.

Right. And it doesn't feel like she even really tried to do that. She made an album that sounds like it could make. maybe have some TikTok moments. I've been waiting. Look, if you look at Invasion of Privacy, that album was fucking amazing for hip hop. I'm not even saying women in hip hop.

I mean, she had so many diverse looks on there, from Kalani to YG. And I'm not trying to compare women now. I'm trying to compare bodies of music, right? They just happen to be women. Megan, that body yada, yada, yada. That shit gives me a fucking headache. And honestly, I remember when Cardi,

had a meeting with her team and she was talking about her new album or her new, her new music. And she was very clear because people were saying, well, what about a TikTok song? She was like, I don't want to do a TikTok song. I don't want to do. That's not what I want to do. I want to do real music. Not to say that she was referencing Meg or anybody else because Meg's music hadn't even been out then.

She was talking about her music. And that is why I fell in love with Cardi's music, not because I was already in love with her, but her music, she could have put out a shit project that she could have just came up with a, you know, she's from the Instagram world. She could have came up with some real trendy for social media. but she came out with a body of music that I think is Diamond now. I think it's sold 10 million records or something. Something crazy.

I know when that shit came out, I said, as great as Nikki Minaj is, Nikki Minaj never made an album that would really, like, appeal to hip-hop fans the way the invasion of privacy did. Like, that really laid her out as, like, laid the groundwork,

the blueprint for a long career. Cardi to be taken seriously as a rapper. And that is exactly what I would love to see from Megastalian at this point. And I just, I don't understand, like, like from Rock Nation or whatever that has sort of kept her from doing that. And Megan, if you're listening, because I'm sure people are saying this, you're saying,

fuck this bitch, whatever, you really do have star quality potential because you're sweet. You have a story. You come from a place where it's going to resonate to women. You know, I think she tried to ride this wave of I was shot by Tori Lanes for way too long and it drowned it out people being able to see you for more than a victim. I mean, I know you want to be seen as a victim and we still don't know. know what happened yet. This nigga's still in the country.

You're still saying he shot you. He's saying you didn't. Kelsey's out here with booking information or email and a new song. Like, I don't know what the fuck is happening. But what I will say is signing up with Rock Nation and throwing Beyonce in the mix is not enough to make you a star that I give a fuck about forever. I love Beyonce and will love her forever. But that's because Beyonce has, she's giving us amazing work for fucking years.

No, no, no to dangerously in love to whatever the fuck I was. I listened to the gift today while I was on the stair master. So I just think of throwing a Beyonce in the mix isn't enough to get you going. You know, getting a billboard award doesn't stop the culture from criticizing how you move with white media and not black media. You know, doing a song with Cardi B.

as much as I love her, it's not going to make me not have an opinion about you because Cardi don't run Hollywood on lot. You know what I mean? So I think it's one of those things where I think she's just hoping, like roaches in some of our apartments, they're just going to go away. If you turn off the lights, now, bitch.

When you turn them on, we're going to be sitting right here. I'm going to always be here and I'm going to always have an opinion. And so, and the other thing I would like to say, because sometimes her fans go, that's why she's never coming on your show. I'm going still have a show. I'm still going to talk about her on the show. So it doesn't matter to me whether she comes or not, because we're always going to have an opinion. And I wish her well. I hope that she makes better moves or hopefully she gets somebody who can like sit next to her and be like, yo, we got to go into the interviews that we know are going to be rough

and just be transparent and try to find that connection that builds a bridge with this person that's going to talk about you every day instead of burning it down or thinking if you don't look that way, the motherfucker ain't on fire. Because it's on fire. It's on fire. If she had got a J verse

instead of Beyonce verse in that moment, might not have been as big on the charts, but I think it probably would have done more to make sure that she just literally never goes away in terms of her hip-hop relevance. Like I feel like if she had put out an album that had, you know, I don't know. I'm not even going to like throw the artists out there, but it just, she could have definitely gone in that direction and she chose not to. And that just sort of seems like short-sighted to me.

And in the same way that I felt like Cardi has like a natural amount of love and hip-hop at this moment that to an extent Nikki never got because Nikki never put out an album that felt that true to what she was doing. Every album felt like it had a whole lot of pop music on it, specifically meant for Ariana Grande. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Nicki Minaj Pink Print Tour, I did go to that.

It was the worst concert I think I've been to. And this isn't a dig to Nikki because, like, I'm happy she's married and has a baby, and she seems happier, and I want to squash whatever problems we ever had. I've just publicly said, I don't want no more smoke, but I'm still going to be honest.

It was a very boring performance of a bunch of niggas running around in pink, pink shit, and then she was in pink the whole time. I felt like fucking glitter was going to get thrown at me from fucking, pink unicorns and shit. So I don't, that wasn't who I wanted to see. I saw Little Kim perform with Biggie and fucking puff.

And the, I mean, I'm getting excited right now, Junior Mafia. Thinking about 30,000 people at Summer Jam with Biggie and Lil Kim just fucking killing hip hop. That's what I want to see from hip hop. I don't want to show up and your special guest is Miley Cyrus swinging across the fucking stage. Or you, are you wearing, you know, Versacee, all this? because, I mean, well, let me back up.

You can wear Versacea because Lil Kim did that shit too. But you know what I mean. Like if it's super pop, and I know that's what they believe they need to do in order to get the affection of big brand money and mass media. But like, it really isn't if you're dope. No, I totally feel that. Okay. So you are probably somebody who's had all kinds of people feeding you narratives and storylines about exactly what happened that night with Megastalian. what's your take on it?

Like what do you think hasn't been said publicly? Yeah, I mean, I've talked to, I've talked to Kelsey. She hasn't said much. She keeps hinting at wanting to do an interview. I told her to come and do the fucking interview already because at this point, you know, you're throwing out disc tracks, which doesn't make sense.

All right songs. What I heard, I mean, what I heard is what I've said before in my show that she went to Kylie Jenner's house. They had filmed WAP that day. That's why Kylie Jenner was in, They left there to go hang out. Her, Tori, Meg, and the security guard.

They all ended up in the car. But when they got back to Kylie's house, an argument went down where I guess Meg thought Tori was flirting with Kylie, and Kylie put them out the house. They were going to stay in one of her extra rooms. And when they got in the car, I guess there was a lot that went on in the car where she ended up getting shot. Now, everybody has a different story.

I heard Tori's trying to pin it on Kelsey. Kelsey's saying she had done to do with it. She had nothing to do with it. Meg saying Tori shot a Tori saying it's a lie. I want Tori to be deported. I want Megan to be given a psychological eval plus the thing they put on your finger to see if you're lying. I need Kelsey to take the booking information out her Instagram and go back to doing what she was doing. The security guard didn't secure anybody, so he needs to be fired.

And at this point, I fucking want them all to go away. I still don't understand why they were fucking. That's the other thing. Like, God damn. Like, do you know how much time we've consumed ourselves with this year with this shit? I know. And the fascinating thing about it to me, and I say this was all due respect to Beck the Stallion, is that this situation has been handled so badly.

Who is running Rock Nation? Des. Why are you allowing, Jay, Beyonce? Now, here's where they all should have canceled the girl. And this is free fucking opinions, okay? The minute she received flowers from Beyonce and put the, card on Instagram and let the world know that Beyonce was showing

her that affection so that way Beyonce's beehive could feel sorry for her and she did the same to Rihanna. I was like, yo, I've fucking been shot. I didn't put a nigger on my Instagram. It went around then. But if it was, I wouldn't have put him out there. Yo, that nigger Leroy just sent me some

flowers and said, congratulations on not getting shot. Like, what the fuck? That's not what shooting victims do. Shooting victims find, first of all, they got to deal with the trauma being shot. They got to make sure the nigga is shot and went to jail like I did. I testify with my hand up and everything. That nigga shot me, that nigga drove, that nigga planned it.

Then they go and find, if you're a public figure and have influence, they find a foundation to partner with to elevate the conversation about domestic violence. Why y'all not doing that at Rock Nation? Why? Because y'all too busy, I'm a re-clear. And see, that's people going to say I'm being negative, but tell me where I'm fucking wrong. But she's just not supposed to be able to be the bad guy in this narrative. She's the victim.

If you're a female rapper who is fairly beloved and you get shot in the foot by a male rapper who's significantly less beloved, you're just not supposed to. Like this situation, the way it's supposed to play out, he should never be able to have so much public support as he has right now. But she took so long to put the information out there. And then she puts out this dingy-ass terrible diss record about him to start the fucking album off. Before that, she went on Saturday Night Live and compared herself to Brianna Taylor. Now that fucking shit pissed me off too. Did she compare herself to her or did she just mention that nobody should forget about Rihanna Taylor?

I'll leave you guys to decide in the comments. I don't know. If somebody shot Rihanna, then let's back up. I don't even want to open up a can of worms. Right. When Rihanna was a victim in a domestic situation, look how that played out versus how this is playing out. Rihanna did two interviews.

She did Oprah and then she did, first she did Diane Sawyer. and then she did Oprah. Those were the only interview she did where she talked openly about what happened. She said, I still have affection for him and I want the best for him. I'm working on me. She poured into her music. She elevated it as a star. That's what a real domestic violence victim does. Now I'm not saying this to people out there who are domestic violence victims, how you should handle your grief. But if you are marketing it or trying to profit off of it or trying to weaponize real domestic violence, situations that millions of women are victim to and lots die from, I think that's really fucked up. I think it's fucked up to other women who are not believed that you would create an environment and a climate where in the midst of people being abused at higher rates during COVID, that you would actually make victims eligible for being questioned. So really what she's doing is she's driving women's rights around domestic violence and

fleeing bad situations. She's driving it back. But people aren't talking about that because she's going, party yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada fuck out of here with that shit do you feel like you actually face like repercussions from having these opinions about her because when people say don't say these things about it because then you're never going to get her on the show it's like why the fuck would you want to have something on the show if you weren't able to be

at least mostly honest about how you feel about right i the shout out to amber rose i know she was here on your show we posted it um she fucking she gives good talk i criticized of Amber Rose a couple years ago on my show about her slut walk and not really knowing the brand and this and that she fucking came on my show pulled up, had her shades on, she said, you got as much time as you need, I cleared my whole day for this shit,

turn on the cameras. That's what I fucking respect. That's why to this day I fuck with Amber Rose and she's one of the realest because you can't avoid these conversations. Had me and Megan talk by now on my show, I'd be here probably saying the same shit, but at least with different

color. Like I have, I talk to her This is what she said. This is where I identify. But, like, right now there's a lot of what I say about her is just me not really understanding her. Right. I mean. And now she moves. And that's why if you were managing someone like, make the study and like, you wouldn't want to necessarily have her go on somebody's show where they were being like super disrespectful about her and everything.

But if somebody has like seemingly legitimate criticisms of you, wouldn't you want them to, like, if you show the world that you're willing to engage with people that have honest criticisms of you, then you're kind of muting all future criticisms because you're showing. you're willing to engage with it, honestly. Like Lil Boosie, I want to ask him, why aren't you in prison for getting your son's dick suck by a grown woman? Like, you push pedophilia. And I, and I see, sometimes when I see the dark circle around his eyes, I know it's because he has high blood pressure or diabetes. I could tell because I worked in health care for 10 years as a union leader, right?

So when I look at Lil Boosie, who's really an embarrassment to our culture, and I look at the things that he does, I'm just questioning like, why is there so many documentaries and hate towards Arkelly? but you got a whole nigga out here who got his son and nephew molested, allegedly, but not really because he said it. But why is he not in jail? And we're more concerned about his leg getting cut off? I didn't give a fuck about his leg getting cut off.

If we would have got cut off, they probably should have cut off his dick because at that time, then he would understand the pain that his nephew and son are going to go through when they realize that their father or uncle pushed pedophilia on them. Just an opinion. I could be wrong.

There's people out there still bumping boozy. And if you're still bumping boozy, you're bumping a nigga who pushes pedophilia. That's real. I don't listen to it, so I don't fucking care. I agree that if I had a 13-year-old son or a 14-year-old son, that's probably the last move that I would ever make. But also, okay, you got to take it to Wayne and Birdman.

You remember the old Wayne documentary where he said that his first sexual experience was Birdman saying, hey, suck little Wayne, little dick to a grown woman. He's like 13 in the story or whatever. I didn't see that until I started being so heavy on Boosie, because I'm telling you, people, I watch Good Morning America, Law and Order, and Golden Girls.

That's really my world. Not even loving hip hop and I'm on. I don't watch that shit. But I'll say like I didn't know the documentary because I don't really know this work in hip hop like that. You know, I prepare for interviews and shit like that and read what's online. My team gives me notes.

That's what I know. But I did see little twist came on Hollywood unlocked and said, let me tell you about that Lil Wayne era, you know, because he was a part of that whole process. And so I've been trying to get him on my show so he could tell me about it. But people did say that when I had talked about it. But then, again, in our culture,

Why was that not addressed? Why didn't people address Birdman then? I don't know. Maybe there was an error where it was acceptable. I think so for sure. Yeah. I think even in like 90s that definitely it hadn't really been thought about. And you still see this conversation playing out online where you'll see, you know,

a 37 year old teacher who fucks a 14 year old boy. And half the comments are, that's tight. Shout out to him. You got some pussy. If that was my kid, I'd be proud of him. But the same argument was happening around. I remember in high school, they had. have a joke about the baby fat jacket.

Like, that's the pregnant girl jacket in high school. When really it was, but those girls were pregnant by the dope dealers in the community who were like 25, 26. So there was that era where it was acceptable. But now we live in that time where what shouldn't have been acceptable with them is really not acceptable now. And so if you're going to cancel people, why not go after the people who've actually committed the law?

You know what I mean? And if, if Bousie is out here on social media publicly claiming to have been some king of paying a woman to suck his dick and then go suck his 12-year-old son's dick. Why is he not in jail? I'm just surprised by that. I think that the police sort of understand that he comes from this weird-ass culture. I mean, the other, Boosie beat, you know, the accusations of the court case he had where it basically had, like, paid for many, many murders, including, like, one of the alleged

assassin went and got a tattoo that said, Boosey, tell me who's next, or Boosey, who I got to do next. or whatever. So, I mean, like, he comes from a world in which he's so not concerned with the law, allegedly, that someone who he had hired as an assassin could be getting tattoos, basically asking who his next victim should be, allegedly. Again, I have no assumptions that these things are true. But, I mean, that just sort of gives you the idea of the sort of, like, outlaw world that little boost he was existing in. And also, it's like, the cops would have to probably find the young boy and, like, get him to testify, which would probably be. be the end of his life if that were it happens.

That's probably why it's never going to court. That's a shame. It's a shame. I mean, listen, we're all going to die one day. If somebody hires an assassin to come get me and wants to spend all that money, hey, I can't control that. What I can control is my opinion. And my opinion is if you pay people to suck a young kid's dick, you should go to prison.

I think even in the court case, though, it was only $2,500. They was paying for these murders, allegedly. That's it? Right. Damn. And little baby's paying $16,000. thousand dollars to let this roach suck his dick the price of life i can't really gone down and i'll be honest with you like us highlighting these couple things i have to say the last few days i've just been

annoyed with the industry like i it's not as exciting as it used to be like i grew up in an era i'm born in 1977 i have fucking i grew up in the 80s i was born in late 70s i was a fan of you know at that time we had iconic stars madonna prince michael jackson everybody was fucking whether even if you were looking at like, you know, deaf leopard and then what was going on to rock and roll with Metallica. Like everybody was a superstar. And they, and social media didn't exist. So we weren't inundated

every five minutes with an image or a video or a concept or TikTok or body yadi yadi yadi yadi yadi yadi yadi. So we loved our stars. We waited in line to meet them and get autographs and buy their music. And now I feel like there's just this overconsumption of their personal bullshit

and distractions. By the way, are you on clubhouse? A little bit. I mean, I looked at it for like five seconds one time. That's annoying. We're going to talk about clubhouse in two seconds, but don't you think it's interesting that the only artists that we really kind of allow to reach that legendary status are people like Rihanna, Beyonce, JZ, etc., who basically shun social media.

You see them when they drop a new project or maybe occasionally doing other things. Or getting their ass kicked in the elevator. We did see that. Right, which you could imagine was probably like the greatest nightmare of Jay Z's professional life that everybody got to see his sloppy ass shit behind the scenes. But I mean, it's interesting. Like, if you really want to be like the sort of iconic person in the industry

at this point, it seems like, you know, never going on Instagram Live is probably one of the best moves you could make. If Megan the Stallion would have got shot and never talked about it until it played out in court and made sure she was styled up for court when she walked in, all the cameras, no comment, no nothing,

we'd all still be interested in her. We're not. We're tired. We're over it. But the thing was is that she went on Instagram live with a hoodie on, which was interesting because you just had never really seen her like that or at least not often. Because she was getting so many fucking comments by people who basically went with the assumption that she was lying because she hadn't put the story out there. And then she puts the story out there and says this dude shot me. And then she has mad people calling her a snitch, which if she was a guy, that is what people would say. The street code would necessitate that she'd be permanently labeled a snitch.

if she was a dude saying that. She felt so much pressure that she had to say it. I mean, she didn't have to. These celebrities, as much as they hate social criticism, they feed the monster, right? So, like, you put out all this information and you say, please don't talk about me. Well, you're putting it out.

When you put it out for public consumption, whether it's a tweet or a video of you in a hoodie, looking like you just came from a jog in the scene of Get Out, and then a song, you can't be mad when people talk about it. That is what the consumers do. There are so many unhappy people at home that are on their fucking phones just talking shit all day because their lives are fucked up. Why do you care? You know, the one thing Floyd Mayweather taught me when I couldn't deal with social media was never block a person, never delete anything.

Because when you do, they won. You gave them power. They know that you saw them. And that's all that they're doing. You know, I don't feed into that shit. And I just feel like as much as celebrities say they don't like you. or they don't like the criticism. They keep feeding it.

So if you stop feeding it and you cut it off or if you just go away for a minute, it will die down. I think so. Well, the problem with Meg was probably that if it was going to die down, it was probably going to die down with people thinking that she was lying

and the Tory was more innocent than... But if she focused on the music and less on what people thought of her, she would have poured into an amazing project that people would have been forced to buy into and she'd be the star she deserves to be, but she's not because she's too focused running around in hood,

he's trying to take Tori down. Do you think Tori's career is over? We saw him blacklisted by like the playlist and stuff, which is about as blacklisted as it gets these days. Well, I've been watching Tori on Clubhouse and who recently 21 Savage and all of them were in that room and said that they all still fuck with him. So I mean, is he going to get a feature with Beyonce? Is he going to write on any of her future projects or Rihanna?

Probably not. But is he going to be able to still make a good career when COVID's done tour, make appearances, make money and live his life? Absolutely. I mean, he's not even deported and he was arrested for violating the law in our country related to a gun. Like, normal people would get deported for that. Rob Evans from Tyra Banks' America's top model. He was a judge and he's in London.

He beat a guy up and now he can never come back to our country. Right. So why is Tori not? Why is Tori still here? It does seem probably pretty likely that he will get deported at some point in association with this court case, right? Probably if he's found guilty, I'm assuming that's, I mean, that's typically how it works. Do you think Meg the Salient sits around looking at that? the rap game thinking like how because that's the criticism you see from like the feminist type people is

how the fuck are all of these men in hip hop not saying anything about tory lanes and it's interesting that yes there is this impetus to protect black queens and protect black women etc but apparently the desire to not snitch and not talk about another grown man's business in the court of public opinion is strong enough that it sort of outweighs that desire to stand up for black women yeah I think hip hop artists are Dick writers and wave runners, and I think that they follow what, there's no trend, none of them are making trends. Kanye West, as much as you hate him, as much as sometimes he frustrates me. And a lot of examples in his career, he's created the wave. Jay-Z's created the wave.

Some of these new artists, especially with like digital download and just the success of a single, are just focused on what they can do to keep their name in the press right now for this single to sell. instead of sitting back and saying, this is my chessboard, and this is how I'm going to move, this is who I'm going to align with, this is what I'm going to denounce, this is what I'm going to support. You rolling up in the hood,

rolling down a window, giving Water Boys $20 to split with eight people, why put that on social media? And I love me, mail. Why? You know we're going to tear that apart. You know people are going to have an opinion. And I think, again, it's like everybody's trying to find a way to be talked about.

Instead of pouring into the music, let the music be the reason why we talk about you. Interesting. So, yeah, when I was paying attention to that, clubhouse call. It did stand out to me that A, I think Meek Mill just really like, and somebody even said this at one point in it, they said like, you know, you sound like you basically want academics to go fucking kill himself and that you're not going to be happy unless that is the result, which was kind of part of what I was getting from me because it sounds

like you just have no respect for academics. So why are you even engaging in this conversation as if you somehow want to get to the bottom of who he is as a person or whatever? I kind of was just getting the feeling from all that too, that rappers just hate the media, much in the same way that, you know, like the Trump supporters hate the media. And at the end of the day, like academics, at least in hip hop is just kind of the best at doing the media side of things. Like, his Instagram account is extremely fast at getting like all the intricacies of all these little street beefs up in a timely fashion.

And it just feels like, you know, a big chunk of the hip hop world, somebody like Meek Mill looks at that as essentially snitching. And they're just never going to appreciate that. And I feel like in a lot of ways, he's kind of dealing with the same things that you're dealing with, whereas like you sort of, if you build a brand on being chatty and gossipy, it's just going to be very, very hard for the people that you're talking about in the long run to appreciate you or respect you. Yeah, I mean, the right people do respect me, though, and I'm not looking, you know, I'm not

making this tight and I'm not looking for everybody to like me or want to be friends with me. I do think, though, that there is a hypersensitivity of rappers with the media. And, you know, again, I'll use an example. I had a private conversation with Offset at Cardi's, one of Cardi's birthday parties this year. And I had been writing some stuff that, you know, I wasn't favorably positive to him. And I knew he was good. I didn't know he was going to be at the birthday party.

I thought he wasn't coming. But then I got word that he was coming. And when he was coming, I was looking at Cardi's people like, all right, now shit. I told my people, I said, this is going to go bad because I know he's going to be mad at me. Because although he hadn't told me he was going to be mad at me, I heard that he wasn't happy with what I had written. When he walked in, I said, hey, and he said, hey, man, I don't like the shit you'd be saying about me,

but you know, you got a job to do. And I just want you to know, like, I'm working on me. I'm doing, like, it was a different conversation. I had already respected him, but I grew so much more respect for him because of how vulnerable what he was. He sat down and explained to me the things he was working on in his marriage, why he was fighting for his marriage,

the personal stuff he was working on. And I walked away from that saying, that's the fucking offset I want the world to see. So I told him, I'm not going to go out and talk too much about our conversation, but I want to interview you because I think we think about you as a rapper. We think about you as a headline, but you as a human being is so amazing right now. And I bet meek mail is the same way, or 21 Savage is the same way. There was a time where they was trying to kick 21 Savage out the country and people got behind him, right? Like, use those momentous times to allow us to engage with you and share the platform.

Now the street beef shit and following who's fighting who and killing who and who's in what hood and where they live and all. that. I'm not into that shit because I'm not a detective and I know that academics and Vlad get thrown out there a lot for working with the FBI allegedly or whatever. That's not my thing. But I've seen King Von get killed and I don't know him, but I feel sad for him because I watch my brother die like

that. So yeah, I'm going to follow that story, but I'm not about to create a beef between his group, the Rondo, Hondo, gondo, whatever his name is. I'm not about to start a fight because real lives do, will get fucked off as a result of that. Right. You know, and I've been in the middle of a bunch of friends getting murdered behind

street shit and all that only for a nigger to be in the room with a remote control on his head fucking tweeting shit out getting shit going. I don't do that. You know what I mean? And the other thing with gossip, we don't gossip. We talk about the news. We talk about what's out there. Was I on the phone with Bow Wow getting a bunch of tea one day? Yes. Am I going to go put it on my Instagram right now? No. I'm going to get Batw out in the room to come tell it his motherfucking self. But if

Val, put some shit online, I mean, it's out there. So it's not a secret, you know? So there's the difference, you know,

and I think that, again, I do try to use some, there is a lot of integrity in the sense of like, we're not going to drive this narrative that's going to end, that the end result is going to be this person's going to die.

Because I just, I do not want to have on my heart the fact that I played into somebody getting killed. If Tori's saying something about what happened and Meg is something about what happened, we got to follow that because somewhere in there is the truth. and the audience is fucking confused and overwhelmed.

But we got to follow it because it's what people are talking about. Right. Yeah. Like that the conversation that you're talking about having with offset there doesn't sound really at all similar to the way that Meek Mill was talking to academics where it's like, I'm like, and you saw Meek Mill slowly sort of like accepting the reality that he might have to talk to academics in a way where they could figure things out. Like he's just not going to go kill himself because you don't like him.

Like he's going to continue to do his thing. Right. And then he also. Just kind of trying to mitigate it by saying like you have your little blog site. It's not that popular. You've got a couple million followers, whatever. But it's like you are talking to him as if his shit runs the culture. But I, and that's why I text Meek after all that went down to say, when you guys fight with us like this, you actually make us bigger.

You actually help us. Like you think you're doing something, but you have all these hip hop heads in here coming at academics. I've talked about academics more this week than I have in the last five years I've run Hollywood Unlocked. And the reason is because he found a way to create a conversation that became newsworthy. And so I told meek, come and share your story with Hollywood Unlock. Tell us what you're doing. Let us humanize you as much as we can. We're going to always criticize you.

That's always going to happen. But let us interact with you and humanize you too. And he's getting it. But, you know, they do have to get over this fear that if they don't talk about us or if they attack us, we're going to go away because we're going to still be here. You know what I mean? Because Meek Mill, in that moment, really like, and a lot of, always like helps solidify academics his reputation for being good at what he does because he's done

such a good job at documenting the little quibbles between people on social media that meek mill had to acknowledge him which he has done many times but there also are a lot of huge rappers like i never heard future say academics his name i never obviously never heard j z say iqademis his name it's like you know when you when you commentate on someone or you acknowledge them as the rapper in particular because the biggest rapper is always going to be so much bigger than the biggest media person that's one thing that you kind of realize once you've been in this a long time is like, I don't really want to be for the rapper if I don't have to

because the odds of me winning the popularity contest that is a public dispute are very low when this person has songs on YouTube with tens of millions of plays and I have interviews. The day I was at Wiling Out walking on stage and they told me that Nikki Minaj gave me cock sucker the month. It was like joyous, you know what I mean? Because it was gold.

It was like, she acknowledged me. Not really like as a fan. but the fact that she now opened up a lane for me to fight with her. And I'll be honest, I'll share here. Like, I drug that shit out because it was fucking fun. It was fun. It was great. It brought traffic.

It brought eyeballs. It created conversations. Was it exhausting? And did I enjoy it? I mean, it was exhausting. And no, I didn't enjoy it. But that's what happens. When you have a meet come after in academics publicly and it goes out.

And now it's on every platform. And it's even in this conversation, it just gives that academics more validity. and he's going to keep trolling. Like, no, none of us are going to change our business model because we piss somebody off. Like, let's be clear. If I've always said, when somebody says,

are you afraid of being punched or beat up? Hell not. If you punch me in public and I can get that on film, bitch, I'm turning that into money because I'm going to monetize it on my Facebook. I'm going to go and do interviews. I welcome the confrontation.

I don't want it, but it is what it is. No, definitely. And, like, yeah, I mean, I think about that all the time because, like, a lot of people thought that when I had to do it up on me and put a gun in my face while I was on stream. They thought that I was faking it because so many positive things came from that in terms of me being on Inside Edition and doing Logan Paul's podcast.

That was crazy, though. It was crazy. But I also like, nothing bad really came from it, you know, like I didn't get hurt. Nothing like I was freaked out. But then it's like, what am I going to do from there? I go and I do the media circuit and I fucking talk about it because why not? That's the only way I can make something positive about it. Well, I just had a flashback.

Did that happen in here? No, that was the old store. Okay. I make sure the doors lock. because I ain't got no time for that shit. Yeah, no, security clearances of change. That was crazy, though. I mean, we shared that, too.

Same with like, Boon Gang pulled the gun on me. Like, you know, and that was good for us. I mean, it was uncomfortable, but it was like, hey, did y'all get that? You know what I mean? So I just think that, like, if celebrities will realize that we have a transactional relationship already, I have a relationship with every celebrity in the world. You have a relationship with every celebrity in the world because we talk about them. So we already have the relationship.

Now, do we have a relationship? do we have an intimate relationship where we can actually sit down and talk? I would love to talk to everybody we've talked to today, even Boosie. I would love to sit down with them and have hard conversations and work past it and hope that through there the truth comes out or they look better or that at least they clarify why they don't look good. But people trying to avoid it or attack the narrator, you will never control the narration by attacking or trying to control the narrator because you can't.

definitely but it's weird too because it's like we on this podcast talk about playway cardi and igesalia's relationship or past relationship so much and they've never ever acknowledged us you know wisely because that would just obviously elevate whatever conversation we're having about them um but if I were to have like cardi or igesalia acknowledged to me like in real life that they are aware of us frequently talking about them especially because like what happened in their relationship was basically exactly what I predicted was going to happen and like just calling attention to the fact that she clearly was not in a position where she was allowed to act like every other new mother on earth posting pictures with

her baby and stuff or even acknowledging her baby like she went so long without even acknowledging it and I was you know calling attention to the fact that like look at how Playboy Cardi chooses to run his his relationship just like he runs his music career where he wants to be Mr. Super Mysterious and not put anything out there and apparently that extends to his relationship and his child if I saw Iguzilea and she acknowledged that she had seen even like 10% of the stuff that we had said about her, I would be so shocked. And I don't really know why. I don't know what it is that there's the like cognitive dissonance between like something that she really met her. No.

Oh, she's a really nice girl. I feel bad for her because like clearly nobody's really bought into her. And then on top of that, the last time I saw her, Daniel Burgoli, that bad baby, she threw a drink in her face. I remember that. I mean, and I had to like, I was in, I was, I took her to Cardi's dressing room and I was trying to dry her hair off. And it was so, I felt sad for her because I'm like, you're sitting here like a wet dog from this 15-year-old brat who shouldn't even be in this party anyway. She's a nice girl. I see all that to say.

She now is probably at home adjusting to the fact that she's just a baby mama. So maybe the fact that she's not acknowledged you has nothing to do with you. It's just that she doesn't want to accept the fact that she is a baby mama. People told her she was going to be a baby mama. she probably knew she had the potential to become a baby mama and she's a nice girl that probably never wanted to be a baby mama but she it's easy for people to forget how much Iggy Azalea was supposed to be like the next big female rapper like there was a moment where it seemed like that

plan they were trying to compare her to niki madge at the time oh yeah and for a minute it actually kind of seemed like she was good enough of rapping and she was hot enough and shit that they were going to actually sort of let her into that position and then she just sort of came off as disrespectful to the culture a few too many times and it felt like they just permanently decided they're never going to fuck with her again. Okay, look, I said what I said in your whole team, like,

looked around the room like, who the fuck is he talking about? No, they were trying to compare them. I'm not saying... This is the Barb's squad over here for the record. No, no, no, no. I'm saying they were trying to compare. I'm not saying she competed. Let's be clear, okay, because there was no competition at that time. But no, I agree. I think that

well, I don't know. She's a good... I... I... I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I hope the best for her. In a way, I wonder if enough time has gone by and if some percentage of the world has kind of gotten sick of hearing about how everybody is racist to the point where maybe Iggy has another chance? No, because Iggy profited off the culture and never stood behind issues. That's the biggest issue black people have.

And I believe, like, if you're going to profit off the culture, you'd best better be at, you better be at a Black Lives Matter rally. You better turn in your Instagram, at least during that. time into a billboard of whatever the cause is, like join, you know, join forces with organizations, bring up other rappers of color to help, like, do something. But like to sit back and do nothing, maybe she was misguided because she's from Australian, don't really know. T.I dropped her, you know, said, I'm out.

You know what I mean? And so I don't know. But I feel like what with the big issue, at least in our followers when we post her is, she don't stand for black issues, but she profits off black culture. We're not supporting that. She seems very talented at obtaining and maintaining relationships with high profile black men, though. Like who? Swaggy P. That one basketball dude and then Cardi?

Swaggy P. and then Cardi, yeah. I mean, she has a fat ass. This is true. That goes a long way. You know, real or not, these niggas don't care. You got a fat ass, cute face. Well, face is questionable. Look at the stripper. What's her name? Ms. London? Put the face down in the pillow. Face don't matter no more if you got a fat ass. Right. The mental image that that stirs up for me at Playboy Cardi just percisset it out of his fucking, or excuse me, little baby now we're back on. Just off the perks, drilling her out from behind with a face in the pillow and not even saying two words to her. It very much fell in line and also cheating on his girl. That very much fell in line with like what I expect of his character that he's representing his music and stuff. Yeah. But see, this is the thing. I just like little babies and I don't even know, like I don't dig into the music that much. So I can't say I know what he'd be talking about. But I do. I just like.

I like him. I like his relationship with his girl, so I really didn't know as much. Is he, he's perked out? He does perks. I mean, it has been alleged. If you look up like on YouTube, like Little Baby doing an interview off the perks, there's definitely some clips where it's like this person is zero percent sober. Like, he's just moving so weird. And like, I don't know. That shit has a crazy ass effect on me. I'll say this. I do want Little Baby to win. I like his relationship with his girl. I mean, I like her. I like them together. And I just hate the. fact that you fuck somebody that had to tell. Like just, I mean, no, you ladies, and some of you boys out there sleeping with some of these rappers too. Play your position. When you get the bag and you getting dick down and everything is good, why fuck up your situation

for a moment on Hollywood Unlocked in the Shade Room? Like, the shit, that moment's going to go away. And then so did the money, so did the dick. I just don't understand this generation. Did she acknowledge that she only exposed it because she was wasted? That's what she said. Right. And that's what she said. That kind of made sense to me. That was an excuse.

for cloud. Like, oh, I was drunk. Okay, I'm back. I'm not drunk anymore. That shit shit me out, too, because I know a shitload of porn stars who have escorted at times, and a lot of times it's been with famous guys and stuff. And it's just like, I mean, the realest bitches are the ones who know that they have to keep their mouth shut about this and that that is the code. Like, a lot of them take that very, very seriously. Like, a lot of girls I've even had on here who are just, they would never acknowledge that they fuck so-and-so, which, you know, you got to respect that. Well, I got to ask you, when that girl tell you that, O'Dale shitted on her, Did you believe that in the time that she was telling the truth?

I wasn't actually on that podcast, but I was sitting in the other room listening with my jaw drop just like everybody else. So, I mean, I feel like I'm still kind of processing it. I don't know why she would lie about it. It seems like an insane thing to just make up like that. Yeah, that was a lie. We posted that to it. We didn't believe her, but we posted it because the shit was crazy, literally. The mental image of Adele telling her, like, don't take a shower for a few days.

I want you to be nice and dirty when you get off that plane. And if you ever see Odell, his ass is, I mean, he's clean, like clean from head to toe. I don't know in the crotch area what it's like, but I mean, he looks clean, he's dressed well, he carries himself well. I didn't believe that. That was fucked out. I caught the unfollow from him over that. Really? Mysteriously, he was following me in the first place.

He blocked me at one point. We ran into each other. We settled it. He now unblocked us. He doesn't follow us, but he did unblock us. So you can prepare that. Right. I'll text him and be like, yo, Adam said, what's up?

I was thinking, too, I'm like, if now this kind of room. ruins Drake for me because if Drake ever invites me over the mansion, then I'm just going to assume that Odell's goons are going to be waiting in the bushes with a pipe to smash up my head or something, right? And so I was in London and I was hanging out with Drake's trainer and we were just smoking hook. I just ran into him. I knew that they were there on tour and so I say, yo, let's go to this club. He goes, no, his name was, shout out Hollywood, Hino. He said, no, let's go. Drake's having a party.

Let's go to his party. I'm like, ah, man, I'm either going to get jumped, kicked out, something bad is going to happen. But I knew Drake way before he got famous and I'm so proud of him because like I met the nigga in a drive-through of a Burger King parking lot. He was in a Honda with this girl and they had one working headlight. So he's come a long way. and the fact that he's, you know, he's built a brand off of the music. You know what I mean?

The respect for the music and everything that he's added to the culture. And that's why I have a lot of respect for him. But I went to this party when I walked in, Drake was standing across the room. And as soon as he saw me, he was like, oh, shit. I was like, yo, you're not happy to see me? Like, I'm dressed up. Like, I came to support your party. And he just put his arm around me.

And he was like, bro, like, people are going to be uncomfortable with you here and this and that. But what I love about it, I said, look, if you want me to, I'll leave. I'll go, not a problem. He was like, nah, you could stay, have a good time, do whatever you want. Just, you know, people are going to be uncomfortable. And at the time, I didn't. Fuck them. But at the time, I didn't know that he was friends with Tristan Thompson.

I had just broke that story. And then he could have walked in and it could have been a problem. Actually, Tristan did kick me out of one Drake's parties once. But either way, you know, Drake is the cool guy. And I don't think that Drake would trip. Drake, Drake does it. If you ain't fucking with Drake, he ain't tripping. You know, he's not tripping.

Drake actually thought that the whole meme about not the girl who got shit on by O'Dell allegedly, but the other girl, Eliza, who allegedly sucked off seven sons players in a row. Oh, yeah. Drake loved that meme, not publicly, but he, like, sent me multiple memes that he saw on Instagram, just laughing. And then it's pretty funny that the same crew of girls eventually came for his boy, O'Dell. That's horrible. Drake has a good personality and a good sense of humor.

He's cool. Yeah, he's cool. Oh, yeah. When she said she sucked off the seven sons players, I was in love with Kelly O'Bray at the time. He has a fucking fiancee now, so I'm over him. But I was wondering if she sucked him off. That would have been the only reason I would invite her to my podcast so we could have got details. I'm sure she would be happy to come on.

Yeah, come on. Shout out to Eliza. Yeah, no, I mean, that was a weird one for people because so many people seemed like astonished by the idea of these like seven millionaires who all just wanted to get head from the same girl. And I'm like, you know, that doesn't sound. at all surprising to me based on what I know of men. Yeah. Their bank account is millionaires. They're men. Men are men. If they have a penis, that that's going to have way more influence over their millions of dollars. Right. I hear it. What about the mulatto thing?

You deeply invested in the soul. It feels like the doja cat thing all over again. Like, oh, we're just going to keep building up female artists and then sort of ripping them down. Yeah, I like mulatto. I support mulatto. I remember back when Twitter first came out 10 years, I don't know how many years ago, but about 10 years ago, and the reason I know it's 10 years, because old tweets have popped up on me. I said I was the Milato Mafia, the leader of the Malado Mafia. And people were like, you know, at the time, they were laughing. It was funny. You know what I mean? I'm black and white. It was a joke. I didn't, I mean, I have not heard of more racial shit within our community until the last couple years. I would say stuff like,

yo, I want to go find me a hot Dominican. Dominican. Dominicans are dark skin, light skin. there's so many different colors within the spectrum of what a Dominican looks like. That's a cancelable statement at this point, right? Like somehow you're fetishizing them now just by expressing any sort of appreciation for him. Oh, they called me a colorist. He don't date black men. I'm like, well, Dominicans are black and I've only dated black men, but he's a colorist. He don't like black men.

I'm like, where is this fucking coming from? I say all that to say with Milato, when she said, you know, whatever she said and people start attacking her for her name, that really is your point. They're building her up. and now using that to try to bring her back down and not let her get that. And she had that name the whole time. The whole time.

Now when I heard she's talking about she's going to be called Big Latter, I'm like, okay, the California lottery is going to sue you because they own that shit. You know, stand behind who the fuck you are. At some point, you got to say fuck cancel culture. This is my name. Shout out to all the women out there

who they try to, spin it and keep moving. But they were saying the thing with her is that she would have certain brands hit her up and then decide they couldn't work with her because of the name, which totally like, you know, even if she wanted to actually stand by,

our principles and be like, this has been my name. It's not offensive because, I mean, I don't understand how it's offensive. It describes you accurately. It's a word that wasn't offensive when I was a kid. And I think actually the controversy about her has really informed a lot of people that that word is considered offensive because I would have never known otherwise. I haven't heard anybody say it in 20 years. But, I mean.

Yeah, they said it was, I've been educated. I'll be honest with you. I'm black and white. And I didn't even know that the slave master, the more of the slave having a, I mean, the slave master having a kid by the slave. and it being a happy baby they called Milato. I didn't know the history of it, but the girl said that was her name.

Black men, we always say the word nigger, and we made it acceptable to say the word nigger. So she says mulatto, she found it acceptable to her, and it works for her and her brand, why are you tripping? And if Doja can't get a million dollars up to what she did, she's going to get brands. Don't worry about the brands.

There we go again. Focus on the music. If the music is hot and all of the consumers of these brands have bought into you, the brands are going to come. People used to tell me all the time, yo, if you say this out loud, you're not going to get this brand deal. And I kept saying, kept saying that at first I didn't,

but now that if we have distribution, we're getting the brands because the brands need distribution, whether they like me or not. So she ain't got to worry about that. That's interesting. There's a lot of hypotheticals that pop into my head here. Like, would it be good or bad for Milato's career if she got shot in the foot by a person right now? And also there's another one.

What if Meg the Stein got shot in the ass? Like someone where I really did some damage? I'm not answering. I'm not going. I'm just saying like, how different would the reaction be? Because to a lot of people, it was kind of like, you know, when Rihanna got beat up, she looked like she got beat up. When Manga Steyen got shot, she was walking around the next day or, you know, a week later

or whatever. And a lot of people really held that against her. Like, you know, if you get shot, you're supposed to be in the hospital for two weeks. And I mean, this is... I mean, I got shot in the leg and I was in the hospital for one day, and it was still painful. And I would say, and my brother got shot in the head and he died. And either way, getting shot is a real thing. And I hope that more, I don't want ballado to get shot.

I don't want Megan to get shot. I don't want anybody to get shot. I do, though, wish that, you know, people would just stop focusing on these celebrities and expecting them to be politicians or these overly polished brands that are subject to cancel culture and allow them to just do good music. And to the artists, like, remember, your careers,

if you look at the span of what a rapper's career looks like, not all of, a lot of you just be quite honest are not going to be the Queen Latifas that last for decades. Like, you don't have it in you. You know what I mean? You're a product that they put together. They packaged well. They taught you how to go out there and twerk or whatever you do if you're a nigger to do what you do.

But at some point, it's going to run out. And look at COVID with concerts and touring being shut down. A lot of you don't even know how to get money because all you are as a rapper. Focus on diversifying your talent so you can be acting or you can be doing a podcast or whatever you want to do. But don't just, if you're just a simple package brand that's afraid. of being canceled, like you're never going to truly, like, connect with people. Respect. Okay.

I'm going to ask you about this to wrap it up. Sure. You have triumphantly declared that you no longer want to be on love and hip hop, but they won't let you out of their contract. You're signed up with Fox Soul, which I didn't know is a thing. Yes. But it's kind of a funny name to me because it just makes me think about Fox News, but then they were like, we've got to do a black version of this.

We're going to call it Fox Soul. Is that accurate? You're trying to get my, you're trying to get me to lose a bag. Let me say this. And I'll say this, I haven't said this yet, but Viacom did let me out of my contract. Oh, they did? Yeah. And I want to start by saying, shout out to Mona Scott Young, my attorney, Daryl.

And to the people at Viacom, I mean, I didn't want to get into a fight with Viacom. I see when Macyka and these other people do it. And I'm like, you know, I don't believe in biting the hand that feeds you. But I also don't know your struggle with them. I can say for me, when I came into Viacom with loving hip hop, I knew I was smart. I knew I was strategic. I knew I had relationships. I knew I had a vision.

I knew I had an exit strategy for my company, but all they wanted to show people was he's a gay, messy blogger. That was it. I said, oh, I want to talk about my family. No, no, no, our audience don't want to hear that. Like, that's too much. Okay, I want to talk to them about how I built my company. No, no.

All we want you to do is going there and throw a drink or say, nah, that is not what I'm doing. They didn't say throw a drink, but they create the situation where you throw a drink. So the first season, you'll see I only did three episodes, because after I threw the drink, I was just so mad at myself and so disappointed and so embarrassed that it was even hard to even be in that space because I felt like I had became something that I didn't know the mechanics of reality TV. I felt like I became something that I wasn't. And so then I only did three episodes.

But the next season, because of the reaction from those episodes, I got 10 episodes. And so they kind of rewarded me. And I then played into this, I got more episodes. And so I didn't know the psychology behind it all. And Mona never told me how to behave. and the network never told me how to be able to be it. But there's a mechanic designed in reality TV where if you're contentious and you're in combat,

you're going to get more time. Once I got to MTV and I saw I could still get 14 episodes, telling jokes, being gay in a way that I think gives people an identity, the audience and identity that we're changing with the times and use my platform and align myself with the show that I'm doing. I just lost love for love and hip hop, and I didn't want to do that anymore. When they came to me out of my success,

with Wiling Out, they said, hey, they had this big meeting with all these executives, and they said, why did you leave VH1? And I told them, I feel like you really pigeonholed me into being a stereotype, and I don't want to do that. I'm not going to be the gay accessory for Maseka to tell her story. I'm not going to be the gay, messy blogger that shows up with throws a drink on a woman. That's not where I'm at my life. I'm writing a book about my life, and this is where I am, and they said, okay, come back to love and hip-hop. We'll show your show, we'll show your podcast, we'll show your brother's death, we'll talk about all those things. And so I did go back for that one season because I knew I was setting up my book, God must have forgotten about me.

And do you feel like they showed you the respect? They did. They did. But at the time, they had Big Fish Entertainment as the producer. It wasn't the other company. They fired Big Fish this year, who also did Black Ink Chicago because they had lost a show on A&E as a result of LivePD, the guy that got killed by the police. And then there was a question of who covered up the tapes and this and that. So Viacom fired them from all their shows, which means that they were no longer producing us. So at that point, I said, you know what, I no longer want to be on loving hip hop in the climate of Black Lives Matters, kind of hard to have combat. And they just said, no, we're going to keep you for three more seasons. I had just licensed my show to Foxhole and got a good

check over there as executive producer. And I'm like, I want to evolve now. I want to produce content and partner and sell shit, right? And they didn't want to let me go. So I started the free Jason Lee hashtag in that movement, did an interview, and then they let me out. Interesting. I'm I'm free. I am free and I'm so happy, but I don't want to shit on them. They gave me a good ride and I appreciate them. And shout to Mona for fighting for me because she went to them and said, I'll better let them out.

And they did. Everybody always thinks they're going to change reality TV from the inside out and then they always end up using you for their own storylines, huh? Facts. Yeah. Yeah. And when you say, like, use you, I felt used. I felt that as much as they wanted to give me the little crumbs,

or the little looks, you know, big looks in front of millions of people, the underlying thing was I was still playing into that narrative that I didn't want to, of who I didn't want to be, and they got that. And the fact that in the midst of this fight right now for, you know, buying into black and supporting black people and all the sensitivity around, you know, the death of black men at the hands of white police officers, unarmed black men, you would still try to fight with somebody who has a voice and whose whole platform is about telling the truth and talking shit,

and talking shit, you want to keep him for three years under your thumb and have him and use him as a tool to whip up conflict with more black people. And the nigger telling you he going to go say something, man, y'all should have let me go as soon as I called you. But I'm glad that they did let me out because now I can go and create. And I'll say this, I haven't said this. I did do a partnership with Big Fish, who they fired, to go and create content for other networks. Because I have gagging with Jason Lee, which is a fire-ass show. Viacom could have. put that on their network and I do that at home. As you know, once you own

this kind of shit, you have your overhead, but you have low-cost production and you can put out high-quality content and make a lot of money. Right. How did you, what's the gagging with Jason Lee? I'm not familiar with what this content is. I could imagine it being, I don't know, something pornographic. No, no, no, no. Nobody's

sucking dick on that show. I'd save that for after the show. Have you ever taken a photo with Drake? No, I don't think I ever have just because maybe not previously, but now that you've lost all this weight, you and him bear like a very uncanny resemblance. People say I look like what Chris Brown and Drake's baby would look like, but I'm like, oh, that's kind of weird.

You throw a little Elliot Wilson in there, too. Not Elliot Wilson. You tried it. You tried it. You tried it. Adam's trying to give me to say something crazy, and I'm not even going to. No, he's a legend in what he does too. You know what I mean?

And I'm going to leave that alone. He might be in the miniage. Oh, so gagging with Jason Lee. So a Nicki Minaj fan saw me. getting on a train when I went to Howard University to go speak on my book. And he videotate me, but from a distance, I didn't know who he was. I thought he was a homeless person. He was, you know, filming me saying gagging, oh, gagging. But what he was doing was saying they got all this money, but they're getting on trains. Gagin. And so people use that to humiliate me. Like,

oh, gagging, which I really didn't care about. But then what I did. Getting on the train? Right. You're a human being, man. Right. So I went and created a song called gagging. And then I created a show called gagging with Jason Lee. I hired an art director for the opening and now all I do is talk shit for like two hours. With fans interacting though. That's one thing I always liked about New York is that you would just see people who are

like very successful on the subway. Yeah, in public. Yeah. Yeah, they're not hiding in Everland. In L.A.? Can you imagine seeing a millionaire on the train? You would fucking drop all your shit. You would be like, what the fuck am I even looking at if you saw someone successful on the train? I would feel weird if my

employees were on the train. In L.A. In L.A., I have friends that will pick me up and drive across this, well, not where I live now, but, you know, two blocks to the Roosevelt and ballet. I'm like, bitch, we just valet. We could have walked them two blocks. Whereas in New York, you will walk for days to go somewhere. What is that?

If I found out that one of them was on the train, I'm like, do you know what Brian Pumper's going to do if he sees you on there? Well, it's over. Do not get back on a train, Laura. Does Brian Pumper have more than one T-shirt? What do you mean T-shirt? I think it's a wife-beater, quite typically. The white beater. Does he have more than one, though? As a

person who has spent a huge percentage of my life researching Brian Pumper, and I put out a video about him that has over a half a million views. I will say that I've seen him wearing a variety of outfits, but they all look like they could have been purchased from the swap meet. Also, very weird how he seems to have a lot of Levi's t-shirts. Wait, where do you get Levi's? I don't know the Levi's store maybe. Wait, so I was shooting the opening for this Fox Soul show, right? And we had spent thousands of dollars putting the teams together this and that. And they hired a stylist to come to my house. And this motherfucker brought me a rack full of clothes and there were dickies and converse and i'm like

nigger who who do you think you're styling have you seen my instagram have you not like dick dickies i haven't worn dicky since i used to have this girl i paid go stealing from kmart back when i was like 15 years old i'm not fucking wearing dickies yo that's just that levi's thing just sent me to a whole different place but that nigga brown pumper he does wear the same t-shirt same same uh white eater he's allegedly locked up we need people to do some research about that for us right now. I want to know if he's the bottom. I mean, if you're in prison, you're giving something.

There has to be an exchange because you're Brian Pumper. You're coming in. You're a dick giver. You're supposed to give it or take it or something. He's supposed to participate in something. Wow. Now you've really got me thinking. Because there's like a DJ Blackcliffe from like 2013 of him

explaining how he is not gay and how he's so good at spotting trans women and shit. And it's just, I don't know. He seems a little defensive about it. Yeah. Anytime I have a guy say, you know, you know, I'm not gay. gay, it's usually after I suck this dick. I'm just like, yo, maybe you're not. Maybe this was a flute.

You know what I mean? Like, okay, you know, be who you are. Just be you. If you were, this is the last question. If you were down to expose gay men who are larping as heterosexuals within the hip-hop community, how much content would you be dealing with? Like, how many minds out there could you blow up? If I told the stories that I know?

Yeah. Or even just shit you've heard about of like so-and-so who seems like he's heterosexual, but he's not like do you know a ton that's a good question for tiana trump if you ever get her by the way but i will have had her on and i would love to ask her that question she has some answers um there's a lot i mean in terms of content i don't i mean do i have text messages or screenshots yeah i got all that but like i think the whole world would be riveted by how many lies exist in hip-hop really yeah it's weird how i'm still like a kid believing in Santa Claus because I don't even really want you to tell me.

I should care, but I just kind of, I'm like, man, just, let me keep rocking. Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing, you know, to the rappers who think that I'm the bad guy, like if I was the bad guy, because I've had a rapper, I'm not going to say his name, but the rapper slid in one of my niggas DMs from Canada. This was years ago, a couple years ago.

And I remember he called me and he goes, are you friends with so-and-so? And I'm like, yeah, why? I mean, no, do you know so-and-so rapper? I'm like, yeah, of course, what happened? They just slid in my DM and they're asking me to work out with them and ask me if I go to the gym and this and now I'm like shut the fuck up you're lying and this person screenshot him and sent them to me and my mouth was just wide open because

you know we all know this rapper and I'm like yo this is why they are they oh okay yeah start making some different connections but I don't even have to be the guy that tells your story you're out there slipping up telling your own story right you know what I mean like that that dude that he DM only needs to be a tiny bit messier and all your shoes out there on front Street. Axe. I mean, I look at... You want to work out?

That's just so sick. If you hit somebody up from another country that you don't know, who doesn't really have a big social following, who's light skin with blue eyes and whatever, talking about, oh, you look like you work out, you should come to L.A. Because it's cold out there. It's whack. Like, L.A.'s popping. And we could work out.

Like, what? Are you working for Crunch Fitness, bitch? Is this the Equinox? What are you doing? You sound like you want to get caught. You look like you're trying to get fucked. I'm not mad. The motherfucker was fine. So I get it. But like, you didn't know that that was one that I was talking to. I could have, I could have been disappointed or mad that she was

hollering at my peace and treated you like somebody else and just put you out there. But that flies against what I believe in. I'm not going out to. And I'm not going out to if I have an experience with you either. So Kelly Obray or any of you out there who might want to try something new with somebody who can keep your secret. That's me. Jason Lane. Open for business. Well, I ain't all the way open, but I'm open. He's open to suggestion. I'm open to suggestion. Appreciate it, man.

Jason Lee. Anytime. No jumper. This was fun as hell. That was super fun. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes, like, comment, and subscribe to nojumper.com if you want to support it.

And let us know if we should keep having Jason on here. And what kind of messy-ass shit we should talk about. Yeah. I'm open for it all, except for one thing. And we're going to talk about that next time. Peace. Appreciate you.