No Jumper - Jesse on Leaving Cripping Behind to Date a Trans Woman, Disowned by His Family & More

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Jesse and Cassidy went viral after their appearance on the UK reality show: Love Don't Judge, sharing about their relationship and how his lifestyle goes against what his family brought him up to be. ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

However you want to do this big bro. Listen, I will say this, before we get into this, is that nobody I've ever interviewed has sent me such a comprehensive, like, interview outline as you guys came through with. Because I was prepared to just go off the top based on what I know. We're like, this is very much. This is comprehensive right here. Oh, yeah. No, that's just some of it, bro. Yeah.

That's just some of it. I can't even sit my seat to tell you our fucking story, bro. I'm dead and serious. You're gonna see me getting up and down. Yeah, I'm geeky, you know? So. Amazing. So the short, right?

just so that they won't X out of here. The short version of this is, is that you are a man who is unabashedly engaged to. We'll get to that. Yeah. A trans woman, which to you, you feel entirely comfortable with it. Obviously, society is lagging a little bit far behind. A lot of people confused by it, hating on it, slash intrigued by it. So there's a lot to get into.

Absolutely. Introduce your queen over here. Everybody. This is my now lovely fiance, Cassidy Colley. Hi, everybody. Instagram. Her only fans is Girl Next Door, Cassidy. She's honestly, this woman here saved my life, man. You know, this woman here is the reason I'm in this chair at this very moment. Right. And the other reason that you're in this chair at this very moment is that you went on a little bit of a social media campaign, which I'm realizing I'm a little bit easily influenced by because I just recently had.

an Asian kid on here who told me that he drove his car into the into his business and then took off like a felon and now I read a lot of stuff that made me think that that's not true but either way I'm down anybody who wants to try get my attention on social media it might just happen very aspirational that's I heard your story and I was like you know what this is the conversation I want to have absolutely man no I think I think this is a conversation is important I have man because you know what's going on with us right now going viral on the internet and and people bashing us and you know sending us death threats and everything man like the stuff that people people write man like comments like like this comment if you want I know these two to go

home and pull themselves together all this show and people like in the comments and we're looking at some people that like the comments I won't drop no names we're not here to do none of that but people you know or respect oh well first all respected to it my family my own family members my own family members go on the typical liberal page and they can all this this little clip of the media got taken out of us of a love story we did and they try making us look like something that we're not and you know we find people comment on that we have people with big followings on that are writing these two are disgusted they should die we're talking

people 800,000 followers like that's the message you spread with that like that fan base wow that's the best you could do with all that you could just go on here and hate on someone to wish they would die so then i look on these comments too you know i see my sister and my brother-in-law talking about how you know you know just i'm dating a man wow you know and jessey's not part of the family no more like nah i have i have i remove my myself and the family when you guys gave me the vibe you don't even quit her with me because they had a trans girl like they never even met her right and they chose not to really be in my life you know wow okay so there's a lot to get into here but let's let's discuss

what you guys's lives were like prior to meeting each other and coming together because I understand that you come from like a family outlaw bikers what's the deal with this yeah I'm not gonna drop the name but yeah my my family like I grew up in a good don't get me wrong I ain't grow up in the slums I ain't here to say no that I grew up in a good house you're from New York I'm from Long Island, New York, Rock, Conkama. Hells Island, Hells Angels, Mongols, one of them? Yeah, not one of the ones you named, but in that league? Yeah, that sort of thing.

Yeah, similar to those guys. A lot of people don't know that when it comes to white boy politics in the streets out here, Bloods, Crips, Serenios, Nortezos, white boys on the East Coast, especially, the motorcycle gangs, that's pretty much the top of the ladder, right? Top of the fucking food chain. Yeah. You know, I grew up in a good family. My dad's a plumber, man.

My dad always gave everything for me, even though my dad's not on my side. Shout to you anyway, bro, for holding it down, you know, as a kid. But, you know, I grew up in a good family. I got everything I wanted. I grew up in a family that was, like, violence was a virtue. You know what I mean? You know, I was cracking.

It's open with my dad, bro. Pipes and Bats. A fucking 11, 12 years old taking me to go handle some real beef, bro. Really? You know, like, I didn't grow up. Like, yeah, my dad took me to the parking shit. But, like, we're definitely along the line, like, there's going to be there.

Me and my dad are out in public and we were onto an issue. I've been pulling violent acts like I'm not out here like embraced it because it's really disgusting that I used to be as person but like yeah bro cracking someone's head open with a baton was like nothing for you know for for me and my family but I grew up in a family where my dad's a biker you know I just grew up in a family like a lot of racist shit was embedded into me you know right to hate blacks and Spanish and hate gays and hate trans and and understand that's the person that I used to be um you know I grew up around like the white boys the bikers and shit I always looked up to that shit and then along the lines bro down the on, I started putting myself on like the hood and shit, you know, uh, wine dance, New York, Long Island. It's a bad area of himstead than Brooklyn, you know, I wound it up, you know, I became, you know, I was Crip at one point, you know, uh, running the streets doing some wild shit, bro, you know, trying to gain my respect. What age did you become a Crip? Uh, I think that was age like 21.

And you're running around with like all black dudes or was it? Yeah, I was, I was in an old black set. I was the only white boy. Really? Um, you know, I met, some of them are still. solid individuals, they're good people. It taught me a whole entire, you know, part of my stories, man, it taught me a lot. You know, it showed me, like, what kind of lifestyle

that I didn't have to grow up in, you know? Some of my friends out there are struggling, man, just to make it. Right. You know, I lost a couple friends due to some gang violence and shit, you know? Rest and peace with my man, Dessa, he just passed away. Like, a lot of people, man, like when I, eventually moved from Long Island, man,

because, like, I was going to die. The shit I was involved with him. I was going to die. I was going to catch 25. That's for sure. Really? Yeah, you know, I was. also battle drug addiction. Okay. You know, getting in the gangs, man.

What brings you to the gangs, the drugs? And this is part, like, my... This is, like, how I grew up. Like, when I told my dad, I became a gangman, but, like, it really wasn't a big deal. Oh, okay. You know, it was, like, you was real interested in it. He's not acting like that's, like, competition or the other side?

No, no, no. Like, you'd think my family would have been mad, but, you know, my uncle, you know, not my uncles, but my dad really, he really liked that. I was part of that. You know, he likes knowing that his son was a badass. Right? Like, my dad always wanted me to be a badass.

mother but where do it a bad ass mother could get me to hurting people for no reason drug addiction you know situations where I almost lost my freedom what kind of what's the closest you ever came to losing your freedom uh being involved in something or something lost their life bro you know uh you were a fly on the wall or you were wrapped up in it this is yeah no I was like yeah but I was wrapped up in the dog you know luckily by grace of God you know it didn't fall on me you know because I didn't the one that I actually did it. Right. But like, man, running the streets and shit.

Like, you know, part of my, my story is like, I eventually moved to Florida, man, to get clean off drugs. That didn't work because you take your problems with you. What drugs were you mostly into? The oxy, the oxy thirties. You know, all these rappers be talking about pop a, pop a, pop a 30, do a drill. That shit's retarded. That shit will ruin your life.

It will follow you for fucking life if you f***ing around with it one time. Right. It's not worth it. You know, some of these messages these kids get through music. Yeah, the pain that I've, been dealt with for 15 years of addiction. Bro. I wish I had nobody, though.

Where'd you move in Florida? I moved to Palm Beach, Florida, like Boko-Ratown area. So we'll speed up the story a little bit. I moved to Florida, just did my own thing. It was in a relationship for a while, five-and-a-half-year relationship. You know, what a cis woman, a natural woman, for those of those people, don't know what that is. And now it's just never happy, bro.

You know what I mean? And it doesn't have anything to do with me wanting to be with a girl with a dick and none of that, man. I just wasn't happy. Like my girl couldn't, she just couldn't like give me emotionally what I needed, man. So eventually we broke up.

I wound up going on the computer and clicking a hashtag girls like us. For people that don't know what that is, that's just a respectful way to us, you know, speak to or reference to like a trans woman, girls like us, girls like them, girls like you. Okay.

You know? I clicked the hashtag. I was scrolling and shit, you know? So not something that had ever popped into your mind that you were open-minded to the trans thing? I was like, but you know, like all my girlfriends I ever had. I always do shit behind their back

with trans women. Really? Yeah, I'm sorry, girls. Like, I did. You know what it is? It's all good. You know? But I would always do shit like that. You know, I was like, I was a confused person. I went from like a, like a, hanging around like a white gang to like a black gang. I was obviously, now today's a man. I could say I was a confused boy, bro. Right. Like, I'm out here trying to hurt people,

but at the same time. Yeah, like, it's just was natural to me. Confusing, you know, dilemma in the family. Yeah. That was it. Definitely. Okay, so but what age would you say that the first time you ended up doing something that a trans woman was? Man, it was this one time a Long Island, bro, at this motel.

I had no idea what I was doing, bro. But I think, like, maybe probably like 19 years old. I'm 29 now. So I was like 10 years around, you know, chicks like that. You know, I remember I was like disgusted though, man. I'd be disgusted to myself when I would go do these acts. Well, because your parents are like breeding that into you, right? Well, yeah.

I know if it ever gets around, especially with my reputation. I had in Suffolk County, where I'm from, I know if that ever gets out, it's a rap. Like, everyone's going to bash Jesse Schweiker. He's gay. He's a f***ing it. I like, that shit used to scare me, bro, if that shit would come out. I back, bro, this will kill me. Bro, being in the streets, too, it might put money on my head. I don't know.

Really? Absolutely. Well, because it's crazy because in rap, it's like, there's a bunch of different rappers slash people who are adjacent to rappers where we, like, more or less 100% know that they have done stuff like that. Yeah. And even when the fucking evidence is, directly laid out like there's no use denying it some of these dudes will fight to the

fucking death to defend their apparent straightness or whatever yeah they like they will go crazy to why are you acting like that it's not a big deal like but then again that's on somebody else for putting their business out there true you know a lot times it is like that and i you know any person that i've been with i would respect their privacy whether it's an NFL player, whether it's somebody high up in the political rank, anything. It really comes down to that respect of their own boundaries and their own comfortability, I think. Definitely.

But, okay, so you're at the stage where you're just kind of lurking some porn on the computer or whatever, you're freshly single? Yeah, yeah. Like, bro, watching porn, I would jump off. Go crazy. You don't shoot my load. I'd be disgusted after. Why the fuck did I just watch that shit?

What the fuck am I looking at this shit for? Because in my head, I know what's wrong from how I was raised. Like, you're going to get fucking smashed over your head if you get caught doing any of this shit. My father always said if my son's every guy, he's out of my fucking house. He ain't in my family. I mean, he shout to him, bro. I mean, he stood on 10 toes. I'm out of the family.

It's all good. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. No relationship with your dad at all anymore? Nah, that's a rap dog. Nah, he disrespect to my lady. He's going to drag her by her and beat her. He's like all this.

Man, that's not a good role model to have. Yeah, that's not a good role model I have, bro. Like, hey, well, anyone that's going to pick on this, like, that don't make you tough, bro. Right. Like, pick on me. That's what I tell people that bully her on the computer, like, are bullying me?

Like, yo, come running to me in person. I bet you won't say that. And not because I'm going to act violently because I'm going to put some sense in your head, let you know what you're doing is fucking stupid. It takes no, it takes so much less energy to hate on someone or hurt someone than it does actually try to respect them

and give him a shot, bro. Give him a chance. Yeah, definitely. And that beef is one-sided. because we really don't care. Right. Like I've been, I've say this all the time, projected on my whole life as who I am.

And with that comes a lot of people's insecurities being put on you. When your light is shining, people don't wanna see it. Right. I mean, I see that all the time in my world where it's like, I respect everybody's opinion about what they're into, what they're not into, but the level of like anger and like rage that comes out of people.

It's very weird to me because it's very weird to me because it's like can't you just let people live their life the way they want like if you really can hate it maybe you could like disse them privately you know keep it to yourself that's kind of but it puts so much effort like they're sitting there writing these comments like I see them like saying like bloodshot eyes and I'm like what you're going to suck your girls can I'm like I will he will I'll pleasure my woman however I please that wherever makes her feel good is what I'm to do because I love that woman that heart that heart saved my mother fucking heart pumping another bro why wouldn't I can sit here and embrace this woman this woman literally gave me

another day to breathe man for sure we're definitely gonna get into that but so okay you're you're lurking the computer then how do you I want her I wanted to find her page she's got this big follow and I'm like man she's not gonna answer me I shot her a message real well so you already popping yes I already had a following based on just my life and who I was but I had recently started only fans probably a year and a half prior to meeting Jesse And so I already had a gaining following. Got it.

And I see this message. I was just scrolling through my messages one day. My messages tend to get buried. So I think, like, I don't know, probably late at night. And I'm just sitting there scrolling. And I'm like, okay, like, he looks like my type. You know, jacked at tattoos. Like, I like.

You like a jacked man. Yes. Yeah. You know. And, um. Because this motherfucker is cut up. Right. You have a shelf of a chance.

Like that's where I'm really trying to be out in my life. For the record, any personal trainers out there want to get me to this point? Let me know. Hey, we can run it, brother. Yeah? I'll put you through a beautiful workout, man. We'll really touch your limitations, bro. You'll see where your heart's at.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I like it. Crazy workout. Right. Okay. Respectfully, we'll see where your heart's at, bro. I don't know.

I forgot the heart for that. Yeah. But so, okay, you did see the message and you responded. Yes. And so we were chopping it up. I was like, look, you know, I think you're real gorgeous. Women, I hit it with one of my lines that I had. you know I was like how many

girls did you send that to him like how many women just one just you yeah so what happened was went on a rampage well you're the only one that responded to it is what I mean by that now I'm fucking with you so I wanted to like telling her I think you're beautiful what's like five messages and she's like hey just to let you know

like I'm sorry but you know I'm a trans woman I'm sorry if that changes the perspective I was like to lay it up on the table he's like I know baby like I'm ready I said I said no sweetheart you're not a trans woman you're a unique woman and you don't got to label yourself as that. And we don't got to talk about that ever again.

I just like to lay it out on the table first and foremost because I don't like to waste my time and I don't like to waste other people's time. And there's some nightmare scenarios where you're like meet up with them. I've absolutely been through that. And I think a lot of girls in the same circumstances can all relate to that. Because we want to be seen as just a person. And we want them to not judge us based on what we have between our legs, but actually get to know us as a person. We're cool bitches. Yeah.

We love having fun. She's dope, man. She's a dope girl. We will have anybody's back if they have ours. Yeah. And that's what it's all about. She's proving that, man. And so he was like, let me call you.

And I was like, okay, like, I'm thinking he'll just like call me. He FaceTime me. Yeah, right soon. And I'm like, I have a bun up. You know, I'm just watching criminal minds. I'm like, oh, God, like, threw my hair down. I'm like, okay, got to get cute. Like, you got to look gorge.

And, you know, we were just talking. And I was like, wow, like, I just loved his energy from the day one, you know, it was who I, I, you know, me. I'm like, oh, my God, he's the one. Like, I texted all my girlfriends. Really? Okay. So before we get into, like, you guys actually hanging out, though, let's get a little bit into your story.

Where are you from originally? Originally, Russia. Russia. Wow. Yes. And I was adopted when I was 15 months. Whoa. And my brother is my biological brother and my parents adopted both of us.

Wow. And I think just being over here, I'm so blessed to be able to live my life how I want to. Over there, I wouldn't have had a chance. Oh, man. I mean, if you could pick number one place to not live as a gay, a trans, whatever. Every time we say a helicopter's coming, I'm like Putin's coming for your ass. They're coming for you. They want you.

Now you're worth money. Right. Now you're at the bag. Like a burking. Right. No, and it's like I just You know, my parents, I grew up in a normal suburban household I went to school, I went to private school

I got kicked out of private school for expressing Feminine traits Really? At a young age So early on before you fully knew that you wanted to transition I knew from day one Oh, so you knew you wanted to transition I knew that I was a woman inside

And like, you know, it was, I had a really dark childhood no matter what I was around, no matter how many great things I had in my life, I was surrounded by that constant, who am I? Like, you know, I went through a lot of depression and anxiety. I, you know, would sell. I would literally my leg and like see that there was, you know, a girl inside of me. Because I was that, like, avid on that being who I am. am like I just wanted that freedom to be who I was would you say that the family that adopted you or your family like were had they been specifically homophobic or transphobic to you or were you just kind of assuming that they wouldn't you know

I think for any parent going through what my parents went through it's a tough situation I mean you're losing one child and gaining another you know so you have to really take into consideration it's a transition for everybody. But my parents were very supportive. I grew up with a military family background. So obviously it took my dad some time. Biker gang and military.

The opposite. But like the two most masculine sides of life you could possibly imagine. She's talking about, bro. She's right around with Barbie trapped to her bike at 12 fucking years old. I'm over here like, my dad's like, get the pipes. We're going to go crack a head open. You know what I mean? Like two fucking opposites here.

But that's why we attract. like and I just gave me back growing up because I just didn't know what I like had for myself in the future I knew what I wanted but I didn't know how to get there and like I came across these YouTube videos probably about like when I was I don't know like 11 or 12 that was when like my dad's desktop computer he had like his office and I'm like sitting there and I'm watching like I just saw like Willem and like all these like drag performers at first and I knew that was along the lines of who I wanted to be but I was like I'm woman like I'm you know I'm doing my own thing I respect them as you know they're women artists and everything and that's amazing but I was like deep down in my heart I I sit when I pee like I you know use toilet paper like I use um personally I feel like sitting down to pee is a little bit more hygienic, a little bit more comfortable. I kind of feel like I get more urine out of my body when I'm sitting.

And that's the thing is like I just from a young age, I knew what I wanted. And I just had all of these feminine attributes. And that's what men are attracted to with myself is the feminine attributes I bring. And you know, my qualities, not just with being trans, but supporting my man. you know, standing by him, no matter what, like, isn't that what a girlfriend's supposed to do? This girl does everything a woman is supposed to do, man. Everything. I come home to food.

And this is not what a woman's supposed to do. This is just what my woman wants to do. I come home to food, the place clean, organized, bed made, ready to go. You know, always by my sides. Ready to get disheveled again. When I was fighting through my drug addiction, man, when I literally would have a pistol on my mouth, every, almost every other day, right? I would cock it back and stick it in my fucking face in my mouth.

And I would sit next to her and I'd hit the gun. I'd hoping the gun would go off work because I didn't want to live, bro. And on top of that, I'm trying to, like, combat my social media progress. Only fans. You know, and it's like I'm living in a life that's, like, trying to be portrayed as, you know, oh, we're doing amazing and we're going through this and that. And I think people really don't know what anybody goes through. And that's what we're speaking on is we go through real shit,

just like anybody else and we're real people. And, you know, why hate on us when we're just trying to be a better person? At what age did you start fully presenting as a woman? 12 years old. 12. Yeah. And I knew I, my parents took it on and, you know, I didn't get my hormone treatment until I was about 17, but I went through intense therapy for about four and a half years.

Was that your parents' idea? Or is that just like mandated if you want to transition in the future? That was my idea. I gave them a full presentation and you know it was hard for them to understand would you say that they were open-minded generally speaking yeah absolutely you ever see the show euphoria oh yeah that fucking show bro is literally it's literally straight every in almost every scene so many points that we can you know understand and relate to I feel like that show the like undercover purpose of

of that show is to make the average viewer fall in love with a trans character in a TV show. Because I don't, I feel like the character, what's other character's name? Hunter Schaefer. Hunter, yes. So like, like just such an endearing character that I felt like, if you are somebody who doesn't

with trans people, it would be hard to watch the entirety of that show without gaining some degree of empathy and understanding. She went through so many hardships in that show as Jules and watching that. I was, you know, I was gagged. I was like, holy shit. Like this is, I can relate to this. It felt that close to your experience really.

Like, it was touching. I watched that show in rehab. It was emotional. When I was, you know, it was very emotional. When I was separated from her, I saw that show rehab, man. I was, I was, like, watch you for her. I was like, my girl went through it. I'm like, you went through something like that.

She's like, you know, explain the story. I'm like. Yeah. Men hiding in a hotel, like everything. Everyone, that that show, everybody in the show is so famous now that it almost feels like we're not going to get the next season. yeah i'm hoping i mean man personally i don't i was trying to get in touch you who runs the show because i know my girl it's not the same character without angus you know right and then he's

dead what the fuck yeah oh man rest in peace the barbie girl quit which she wasn't really doing shit anyway but she's gone what's what he's named that died the white boy angus cloud rest of peace to him man yeah god bless solid solid i mean such a good actor man really he had some he had a heart jacob lordy um zendaya we're zendaya queen Yeah, she's a queen. Yeah. At what age did you meet him? I met him.

I'm 26. I met him when I was 24. Yeah, almost two years ago. Yeah, 24 and a half. You met at 24. So you're still pretty young. Like, have you had a bunch of relationships prior to him, or what was that? I had, I would say, like, two or three real relationships in, like, 20,000 situationship.

You know, of men just, like, playing games. promising a whole life and where is it like you know I'll make my own life right um but you know my boyfriend um before jesse um would never show me off he never believed in my vision for myself is just an independent woman and um you know i had everything i was given everything i was giving keys to a mayback i was given you know boat rides out and the Hamptons. I was doing everything. But then you still felt like to a degree they were ashamed or didn't want to be public. He would never post me. Not that it mattered.

You locked her in the house. Yeah, he would keep me there for about two years. I was stuck in that relationship because I felt trapped and I just thought that I wouldn't get any better. Not that that's a, you know, thing, but I wanted to feel safe. Like, you know, that's who I am. I just wanted to feel safe in somebody and he would you know we went through a lot of abusive stuff but he would tell me he loved me and it was really confusing for me and that was my first taste of like real love after my boyfriend um he passed away from an overdose before another guy before him yeah another one before him i found him um in my apartment um up in new york and people prepare you for a lot in

life um nothing like that that changes you that's brutal um So, you know, with that being said, that kind of relates to the addiction, but I'll get into that. But yeah, they never showed me off. They never wanted me to go anywhere with them. Or I would ask to like, you know, dinners and parties and stuff, but they just, they kept me there and just look good for when you get home, for when they get home. To just be used and you just have to, you know, accept it. But I was stupid at the time. Like, I, you know, I don't have sympathy for myself in a way because I kind of kept myself there because I didn't know any better.

So what place were you in in your life when you met him? I was in a really good place. I was doing my own thing. I was living in Austin, Texas at the time. And I was just doing my only fan shit. And I was just grinding away. And I saw his message. And then I think you came to Austin like a week later.

I was like, I'm flying down. I'm recently single. I got bread. And I was used to that. I was used to a guy being like, okay, I'll come see you. Like, you know, stay with you. And I'm like, okay, here we're. But then halfway embracing you.

Right. Like, you know, freak out or something. And so I was like, okay, I've seen this happen. So let me, you know, I believe in everybody. I give people the benefit of the doubt because I want to see the good in people. You know, I want to see that good side of them. And that's just who I am. But, you know, he came down.

and he just, you know, swept my heart away. Really? What was the game like? How did it win you over? Oh, when he was at the airport, he was shirtless. Okay. We haven't even talked about that. We're only a half hour in this interview.

We haven't addressed a lot of this thing. We've got no shirt. And I have yet to see him with a shirt on. He showed up without a shirt. Let me tell you guys, man. They call my dad Tommy no shirt. Like, they call me Jesse no shirt, Jr. Because I have to tell him at the grocery store.

I never wore a shirt, bro. My dad, like, we would show up to customers' houses as a plumber with no shirt on. I'm like, why? Just, bro, because my dad always was muscular. He was a bad looking dude. He always had me jacked up. So he's always like, you walk with your fucking shirt off, you know. It's very aggressive.

I know, but I got a big heart. I got a big heart, though, man. You know, he comes off is very intense, but he's such a sweet person. And like, that's my type. It's like, I want someone to protect me, too. You know, if somebody, God forbid, like, comes in, I know I'm good. At all costs, I lay my life down for my girl. I mean, one thing I always notice at the porn awards every year or the porn convention

is that the male porn stars quite often are rocking jeans, no shirt, glimmering six-pack. That's kind of like the wardrobe for the male porn stars. If you want to let everybody know you're a man, I'm wearing a shirt, I kind of feel like I'm not a born-star. Yeah, I'm like, God damn, I'm just a pussy out here covering up. You got your own style, bro. Once I get the six-pack, I'll be in there with no shirt on. I'm telling you, I'll come down here for a weekend and work out with you. bro.

That's real. They love to see it. It takes 21 days to get into a good habit. Wait a minute. You showed up at the airport with no shirt. Yeah, no shirt. I just always assume you can't get on to the plane with no shirt. Well, I mean, you know.

You get on, take it off? When he was at the terminal. It was nice out, bro. Yeah. You know, but yeah, bro, you know, I'll be in public shopping. Do you have, like, a shirt in the car just in case? No, I say, fuck it. I don't need one.

Straight up, man. That's just how it is, bro. I'm the product. I'm the product. I'm the product. I'm the product. And when you go to the club, they might want you to rock a shirt, right? I might not be that cornball that does that, man.

I don't know. It depends. What about like a button up shirt that's open? It depends where we are. Take it off. Stuff it in your back pocket. Yeah. He'll definitely put on a really nice suit.

Okay. And if we need to be where we, you know, you just show up and dress out. We're going to dress out. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. So you guys meet. Is it just pure chemistry right away? We kind of both had our own, like,

thoughts at first like I was like okay like I'm just gonna do an only fans video with him she thought she was gonna use me for my and did so you were you down for that no I wanted to get to know her bro I want to get to know her bro I want to she know her bro I speak on never giving up as a man I gave up I'll admit I gave up a thousand times in my life man I let everyone down like this girl here is never given up man where were you out with your drugs when you met her I brought drugs to her house okay so still deep in it still I did not know I thought he was sober at the time because I'm four years clean from alcohols so I was like listen

like I'm going through a lot and I just you know really need to know if you were sober or not and he said yes and so I was like okay cool like you know we got that off the table and you know down the line I kind of saw the onion layers unfold what tipped you off what maniac bro yeah I got to I got to Florida after the whole Austin trip you know we had a great time it was beautiful we went to the oasis we put a lock on the thing whatever and so then we had a florida trip and the second i get in the car i'm like oh my god like he's you know just bump and rap just like we got to go here here here you know we're gonna go da da da da da da and i'm like oh my god like you know i was so you see him in his natural environment yeah

and he's having a grand old time bro i got my gun on my hand i'm fucking singing a pooh shi I rock on my gun on my hand in traffic. But not even worried because you're in Florida where the gun laws are very little bit? I'm just high, I don't give a fuck, I'll be anywhere, brother. There'll be a cop next to us. I'll be having my gun like, right. She'll put it down.

I'm like, I don't give a fuck, you know. Holy shit. Yeah, bro. That drug-fueled mentality. I would go to Riviera Beach. If anyone knows Palm Beach, Far, Rivier or Beach. We'd be going out to dinner. I had my gun on my waist with no shirt.

I'll walk around the hood, bro. Just kind of like. We would be driving and he would be like, we got to make a stop. And all of a sudden the car would turn around, literally in the middle of the road. Take it to the trap, bro. And I'm like, I just kind of, at first, I didn't know what was happening.

I did know what was happening. And I was like, how the fuck did I get myself wrapped up in this again? Yeah. Because I'd seen this happen and he died. Really? Oh, because you're his boyfriend. Right. And so I was like, like, so I had my place back in Austin.

And thank you. I had my place back in Austin. And, you know, that was kind of like my backup. in case it didn't at first because I was like she was held captive though by my addiction it's a selfish thing right she was held captive she didn't want to leave me because you know I probably die so that's a selfish thing being an addicts you know I realize that now today is a man bro because yeah like you saw this like scary gun-toe lunatic version of him but then there must have been part of it that you were drawn to as well I was like I saw his in

like his hurt child inside of him I'm I feel like I'm really intuitive and I can kind of read people's energy and I knew he was going through something and I just, I'm somebody that wants to fix people and like I want to try to do all the help that I can but I know that's not my responsibility but it is my responsibility

to support a human and support, you know, their life and I can't let somebody you know, die. But like if I let's say my girl became a pirkhead tomorrow. You better support her. I'm going to ride it out. Yeah, I'm going to do whatever I got to do putting you in the expensive.

best rehab we're doing whatever we gotta do that literally that's where i was if i met her and then on date two i realized like oh she's a unrepentant drug out of it i might be like okay i've had it i come off like i gave her my whole he was very well put together i'm making it was i make it look real good i'd be working out in the gym hi and be like oh you look great i'm sitting out like yeah i have a slept the six days but okay you know but i just um the way he embraced me you know in the way he truly put me out there on the jump no nobody had ever done that he when he was down in austin he's calling people i'm with this beautiful trans girl like i'm gonna date her do you want to you know be my friend or not when she when she gave me the green light i knew right off the

bat how this shit could play out i could either one wait until the right time when the f's that that's just gonna get put off and put off that i'm gonna be scared and da da da da like most men that with trans women bro. There's a lot of homies that like trans. It's fantasy. And that's all we are. We're 90% in the search bar this year. Really?

Okay? This year. Holy sure. Yeah. So, you know, who's watching that? It's most likely not the ladies. So, like, a lot of men will date and will fuck trans girls. They'll have fun with them, text them,

wish them all this good shit, but never really, you know, actually treat them like an actual human being. So, you know, I said, like, I'm going to let everyone know what's up right off the bat. And that probably wasn't the right way to go about it, But I said, you know, my family's all about this intense loyalty thing. Let's test it out.

But you had never, you had never put anything about you being down with the trains thing out there publicly before. This is the first time that you put it out on social media. There was one time some shit came out of me on the internet one time, bro, a couple years ago. And anyone that's from Long Island's going to get a laugh at this one. But yeah, some shit came out of me on the internet. When I was doing weird shit, bro, selling myself for drugs, bro. Oh shit.

To men. Whoa. Me, dog. Me in a mother motel room, selling myself to men. Yeah, I admit it. I was f***ed up on drugs, man. That's the story I'm trying to get. Don't f*** around with these things, man.

The drugs will dress you up, however they want to dress you up and make you do whatever the fuck you got to do. Damn, how long are you doing that for? Probably I could go like six months. And what happened was, you know, my crib set and my dad's club found out. And I was involved with both of the time,

hanging around both. So now you got to think, bro, I got people, what are we saying? Like, there's many money put on my head type shit, bro. Right. You know, yeah, if I come around, you're getting smoke. but then I had some crypt, you know,

I got to watch my language here, bro, but I mean, that's how I speak. So I say, you know, where it is, what it is. But. Anyway, whatever you got to do? Yeah. I had some, you know, a couple of my crib, and me was like, yo, you're,

Jess, it's all good, bro. Like, fold your flag respectfully and go live your life, bro. You know, go back to Florida, because I moved home for a little bit, and that's when I started doing this when I was living with my dad. And, bro, like, when this shit came on the internet, it was embarrassing shit, bro.

Yeah, me up in women's clothing, dog. Because this, you're not embarrassed of, but this other shit. was shit that you didn't want to be doing. You were just doing it because you need drugs. I'm a woman's fucking clothing, bro. Selling myself for drugs. Now, find me a man that can admit that on camera, bro.

You guys can make fun of me if you want, but I'm trying to spread a message, man. It's easier to fucking make fun of me. It's a lot harder to actually sit there maybe think what I was feeling. Just a real person. Bro, like some pictures came out. My man hit me up one day when I was with my other chick,

just a natural chick who was never down the swing, have fun, nothing, like just very, you know, whatever the fuck I want to call it, traditional. So, she said, Like, you say, oh, Jess, I love you, bro. But, like, there's some shit on the internet about you, bro. And it's, like, you know, pretty bad. So I looked at it, bro.

I f***ed, bro. Straight up, real. Fell down. My girl got the phone. Let me see that. What the fuck? Oh, my God. Are you gay?

Like, all this crazy shit. Woo, woo, woo. I got family members. Like, one thing that happened is my father never hit me up. Not once. That was the only person I wish would have called me, because I wanted to kill myself right off the rip, bro. That's how much, that's how much cyber bullying.

And this may sound corny for me to say they were bullied. been so different if you got that support from just your father your family your it's your child your dad didn't hit you up because he didn't know he would not hit me up because he knew found out was so embarrassed because his entire club knew everyone's hitting him up like yo you know what a real man would do I was you know your son probably wants to kill himself why don't you sit there and make sure he's good man you know yeah yeah and I should go for any father or any kid or any parent like make sure your kids are good dude because this is a

rough world out there but I have like 10,000 can people reposted it from area because I'm a well-known guy where I'm from bro right for you know both counties now saw suffolk everyone's reposting this shit it's going around my girlfriend's family at the time my aunts my uncles my cousins my parents phones pictures bro crazy I just wanted to kill myself every day man you know I felt so be I always I used to be that guy that would make fun of people right and I realized wow what the fuck did I do I deserve I deserved every moment of that bro I deserved every moment of that shit really yeah absolutely I don't I don't

hate on anyone for for posting or any of that i probably deserved it because of the person i used to be back at home so samma changed man now and people make these comments like they want me to come out and be that person if i was in that if i was that person i used to be and i ran into you man it's going to be a problem you're gonna regret it you ever go back to long island now and you see people from your old life there there's nothing there there's nothing there for me man i got a couple brothers out there you know my boy nick jordan tyler lennie you know some brothers that really hold me down and respect my lady i'll do anything for those guys man you know like they got a car i got a couple

that got my back, but, you know, they can only say so much because, you know, they got to respect my father's views. Like, you know, my father wishes death on us, bro. Yeah, that's a wild thing that I've seen over and over is that I will be talking to a crib or a blood on here. And a lot of times in this day and age, they're fairly open-minded about gay people and whatever. And a lot of them will say, listen, if you want to live your life, live your life, wherever you want to live, I'm not going to judge you, I'm not going to hate you. But then when it comes to street shit when it comes to the gang all of a sudden they have a very different tune when it comes to that and they'll say like listen that will never fly get like the crossover between that like you know especially since you know jesse isn't even a part of anything

so why should it even be an issue why should it even just because of somebody's past it doesn't mean that they can't change it's just like if somebody that was overweight wanted to get fit and live a healthy life like they want better from themselves. Why can't we want better for ourselves? When I was going to hire, my family would have done anything to get me sober. I get clean, I get sober. I meet the love of my life right here, man. I really mean that.

And now you guys won't just be happy. Like, now I got clean and sober. Now you want to kick me out the whip. Like, you guys could go fill up the tank when it hits half the, I ain't going to be around, bro. You guys could have that. But I got a cold heart from all the shit we've been through, bro. Like, I got fired from a job for dating her, bro.

Yeah. Right. I got fired from a fucking plumbing company for dating. her bro in long island or in florida florida right and there's some illegal shit going on with that oh you know then another time like some shit we dealt with all 2023 but our life is just now getting good god god god's been good to us recently that way for a year straight someone was sending pictures to my my my parents my father from my only fans which is weird because you got to be subscribed to get to it but sending pictures and i'm i'm i'm i have my best friend with me my big homie

since the sixth grade like a big bro living with me and i'm telling him bro so he's sending these pictures to my dad so they stopped for a while and then my mom was like yeah your dad said he might come around and talk to you so i was all excited like like a little kid and boom i told my roommate the deal my yo like my dad said he's gonna come around the next morning some pictures to send to my dad so i'm like girl man it's got to be someone close to us right and my man and i'm like an investigator i'm like she's living with me at the time she's living with me and my roommate and my best friend for a long time clean up after him everything to find out bro it's my roommate the whole fucking time bro. This is this shit that we deal with all because I date a trans girl.

How did you figure out it was the roommate? He admitted it when I. Someone, he admitted it somehow or some shit. I don't know how it came about, but it somehow we tracked it back to him and I called him and I was like. Oh, it happened again. He did it again too. And I was like, it is what it is.

You need to, you know, I'm going to press charges because those are, you know, privately owned pictures. You can't just be sending them distributing them. around without my consent, unknowingly, you know, in a hateful, spiteful way. So, you know, I have my lawyer and everything and we called around, we called his job, you know, got him fired, you know. That hurt me, man. That was crazy.

You stole my girl's first impression. Yeah. She can't get that back. You stole that. My friends are like, let them look at their own time. Don't just throw it in their faces. Because you felt like you had a chance to introduce your parents to her and, to have them to be accepting.

And his mom has been amazing. She's, you know, I knew it was going to take her a little time. And it's very big for me because I've never had a boyfriend's mother except me. You know, for me, my old boyfriend smacked me in front of his mother. And she asked me what I did wrong to upset him. Like that was when I, that was in Long Island. That's when I knew like, that was my like, okay, I got to get out of here. But, you know, he's just fully support.

supported me through and through and he's just so loving. I support her. I feel so safe with him knowing that no matter what we go through, he's always going to be here for me. And I'll always be here for him. I know right now if I got caught up and I had to do 10 years, bro. I'll be right there. Send him in the connoisseur. If I woke up and out a dollar tomorrow, my girl would never let me starve.

She'll never let me freeze. I put everything into this girl right here, man. And I think a lot of men should do that, you know, like, our, for relationship bro like we we that's all partner is we help supporting somebody you know that's supporting your significant other like we have a lot of couples that hit us up we have a lot of other types of people that us up bro we help a lot of people mentally we saved a lot of people i've had people tell me you saved my life you know showing me that there's hope that i'm going to get a man you know as a trans woman i've you know show men hope to be able to speak about this

shit you know that's what i'm out here trying to do man like i'm not trying to push no agenda and nobody i'm just trying to like recently this girl help me not post our lives and be happy like everybody else. Right. Like, this girl helped me get comfortable with myself. And the most beautiful thing is, through getting me clean, she helped me find my purpose in life. This is my purpose,

brother, being around this stuff, spreading a message. How long were you guys together before you decided that you really had to get? Well, actually, no, how long were you together before you realized you were into love? Like, how long did that take? I'll be honest, man. I really found love with this woman pretty quick. I really did, man.

I really fucking felt it. And there's days where I have, where I talk. Yeah, I feel like I knew. I just knew this was the guy I was supposed to be with and travel on our journeys and have fun and experience life together. I think that's what life is all about is enjoying it with your partner. There's days, man, where I call her. I'm like, babe.

We call so much of FaceTime, like, fall deeper and love with you. Like, I miss you so much right now at work. And I can't wait to come home to you. I tell me with a customer. Yeah. Almost every one of my customers, man. Customers in what line of work now? Like, there we see the background on my phone.

I'm a plumber. Okay. Right? I've learned so much. They see the background on my phone. Like, oh my God, who is that? My house is my girl? She's gorgeous.

And once in a while, like, yeah, I'll bring it up. Like, you know the best part about this girl? Like, if he reads the room. If I read the room, right, I'll talk about it. I've had customers can sit there and cry. They got a Biden bumper sticker. You're like, okay, okay. You're like, we got out.

Yeah, I can probably bring it up. Yeah, yeah. But I've had Trump fan customers, too, Like, you know, brother, I'm not into it, but you just show me a way to better respect it because of the way you put it. And I don't think it matters what side you're on. Just be a fucking good person.

Sit. Like, just be a real person and be genuine. And, you know, it doesn't matter if the person next door to you is living their life completely different than you, you know? Go about your life. And a respectful... One of the reasons we're going viral as a couple right now, all over the internet, we're on the Daily Star,

the Daily Post. The Mirror, US. I mean, Chan, Shout out to Jam Press, Amy Walters. You know, we're on World Star Hip Hop, every Republican page, Facebook, Snapchat, the Explorer page. Like, where I'm going with this is, I'm exactly where I was touching with this subject right now. I don't know. I mean everywhere.

Yeah, we've been in every news outlet with just the fact of, you know, a straight man. like like dating a trans woman like you know and they don't want to see him as a straight male they want me to admit that i'm gay and everything when i see this man i got to tell people i was never invested into her because of what she's got going on under her clothes i was invested into her story in her heart truly and i feel that i know i do that's why i love this girl man anything can change on her i still be in love with her so i feel like a to a lot of people, they have a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that you say you're straight, but then you also have acknowledged that you'll suck her dick.

Correct. How do you square that in your mind? Man, this is a good one. I mean, I just truly, like, I really just look at her like a woman, whether she has a dick or not. Personally, like, it even looks girly to me. You know what I mean? It's different than mine. I got a big cuck.

My only fan is called the hung plumber for a reason. right i'm gonna she's got this tiny little thing from the hormones like the hormones make it small and make it like not get hard right no not at literally she's real turned on if i get a real turned on yeah yeah you might see a poking up yeah yeah yeah you'll see it through the dress that's fucking high well i'm still learning there's so many things i don't know about the trans relationship there you go would you ever work with a trans woman i have i've said no up till this point okay and why well let me ask you this i heard you speak on something right she's been So we're whack. Shout out to whack.

Shout to whack. You saw her something about, he was asking about trans women and you said that the stigma with your people. I speak on this all the time. That's why I loved about you. I was like, man, I can't wait to meet this guy, bro. I was actually thinking of using like the black community as my excuse. Like, listen, I want to, but I have such a large black audience. I can't accept that. This is cap. This is not how I actually feel. I was just kind of floating back to whack. I'm like, what do you think about this strategy? This is good shit right now, bro. This is real shit, right the stigma that there is for men like me and adam right that are tatted up or people made it

up jacked up or if you know the background he comes from the background i come from or the people we come from we're not allowed to do anything other than just straight uh you know sexual stipend stuff with that woman if you get caught doing anything else you know you're gonna get blasted just like when you did that thing with jason love and lena right honestly bro i was pissed off for you seeing what people write about i'm like maybe him and his wife are enjoying their journey like Like if that's what pleasure's done, I'm like, bro, I like see my girl. Bro, I'll say right now, I like see my girl do interracial scenes with black guys. I get off to it.

I am ashamed that. I like watching my woman pleasure, bro. It's hot. Like, it takes a real, bro, it takes a strong man to be able to watch the whole situation go down. She's probably texting him setting up the collab and you're sitting in your head like, is this a good idea? Is this going to be honest? I felt like I kind of got like a window into what it would be like to be gay or trans or dating a trans woman or whatever.

because to me it's like i understand that my wife doing a porn scene with this large black man is entertaining funny exciting to people i totally get that but the level of like anger that some people had about it was just very shocking you're not a man you provide for your you got the nicest things for your family what they mean you're not a man you provide everything you ain't gonna bro i respect the shit out of that no i mean it really didn't like get to me much but i was more just like like taking a step back and just being like, damn, there's armies of people on social media that to them, this is like the worst thing possible.

And I just have a hard time. It's like their world is crumbling. Yeah, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around why people would be that concerned about it. Same thing with you guys. It's like, listen, I totally get people who don't agree with it or weirded out by it. And like, we're not here to try to like,

kid thing, which we get to. Yeah, and like, I'm completely against everything. Like I don't, you know, try to sit here and be like we were just getting his haircut the other day and people think oh trans aren't supposed to be around kids like i was doing a puzzle with you know his son on the floor enjoying my time i'm pushing no agenda like not even people think i'm just going to be like rrahrah like trans and did people see it on social media and they were tripping about it every they you know think just because i'm trans that i'm pushing agenda we got that we got death threats for that post

that's not true at all that's like people saying you know you shouldn't be around kids we're documenting our life and our journey like anybody else does on YouTube or you know only fans or Twitter or anything it's nothing new like you know how long were you guys together before you got serious about getting out drugs and was that you pushing him in that direction obviously I wanted to see him be a better him and I didn't want to lose him and I obviously gave him um set points to be like you know This is I can't keep going with this. You have to go to rehab. Yeah. We were going through a lot back and forth. 2023. He probably went to rehab five times in 2020.

I'm just getting clean, brother. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I struggle. But every clean time, I'm, you know, proud of him. And I just. Wait, just that five times in 2023?

Yeah, bro. So what, you go in for like a month? And then I come out all fucking hyped up. I'm going to hit the gym, promise center of the world. What triggers you to get back into it? Oh, man. A lot of people think, a lot of people think I have to do like my father relationship. Because a lot of people, my family thinks it's because I'm masking.

I'm dating a trans girl and all this shit. But I just simply just have a problem of being selfish. And when I want to feel good and forget about everything, I do that. That's the type of man that I was. And I'm not anymore. And I'm not going back to that. Because, you know, I mean, I really feel. You have to give up your old life for your new life.

I feel like me and Cassidy's new life is being the face of this shit. I think she, I think personally, I think Cassidy's. the face of the should be considered to be the face of the trans community she's been doing this since a kid she's helped a lot of people in times we're very different back then she did you know it things have completely changed over the course of the years with you know um children and like you know the whole trans agenda yeah yeah well the rhetoric about it keeps getting amplified where it keeps becoming more and more of a conversation that's what you know the media wants and that's what it's kind of come down to, again, a political thing.

Yeah, like the typical liberal post. So I was bashing us, bro. They have nothing to do with politics. Right. This has to do with my heart, fell in love with that heart, and I didn't know who the fuck she voted for. It didn't matter. But that's what people want sometimes,

and that's what, you know, messages get misconstrued. And we just had to kind of take the punches. And luckily, we're strong. And, you know, I've dealt with online hate before. So I was just like, you know what? It really doesn't matter. They're just keeping the name relevant for us. We tell people all the time.

You guys are lucky that you guys are bullying a strong couple and a strong woman and a strong man. Because the average couple probably would have killed themselves, bro, with the stuff that we got. We got people like, we got your address, all types of stuff. You know what I mean? I'm sitting there like, Dan, do they really, there's something really going to pop off? You know, it's not funny at some point. No, I mean, I've seen people like Twitch streamers, porn stars, whatever, who just get a significant amount of bullying, like sometimes for the trans thing.

And then all of a sudden, you're just reading their fucking suicide note on. I saw that one homie got beat up for being Crip and doing and doing porn whoever that was recently. Really? I forgot who it was. He's a content creator. He said it's a black guy. He does porn. He got, you know, doing gay stuff too.

And he's creepy. He got beat up by his people. I'm sitting there. I felt that, bro. He's like, I almost went through that. If I would have got caught slipping back home, yeah, it would have probably been my head at the time, bro.

Now it's different. Now we're all grown up and shit that people I used to run with. So it's probably a little different. But at the time, yeah, they felt like that was a major slap in the face. You still staying. that's with any of the old gang members or the motorcycle gang people a lot of them were locked up or dead but yeah i talked to a lot of them respect me yeah a lot of them say yo jess you know you know they used to call me j look they like that you're good bro and we know who you are as a man you're good

bro you always been different like end of conversation bro i never sagged my pants in the hood i but always my true self i used to dress like a biker in the hood bro that's how i'd be like you know i'd be i'd have like i'd be in the hood with like some like like swat stickers on my shirt bro like because I was like so confused. I wanted to be down with the bikers, but I wanted to be a crib at the same time. Where do you even get a swastika shirt? It's like,

that's big in the biker community. Yeah, I know. And I don't, any of that propaganda is disgusting to me now. Let's make that clear. That stuff does not exist in my wardrobe anymore. I actually burnt all that stuff. There's certain motorcycle gangs that with the white power shit,

but then a lot of them don't see, right? So like a lot of the guys in the motorcycle club, you know, a lot of them will rock the propaganda, the Nazi shit. Because after World War II, a lot of guys were coming home with Nazi stuff. and, you know, a military bike group started, and they knew that, you know, that was a sign that

people hated the time. People hated the Germans. And a lot of mindset is passed down, well, through families. Yeah, that too. But, like, they, they knew that those signs would piss people off and show, like, you know, be scared of me. You know, fear us. You go back to the 70s and you had, like, the sex pistols and shit, and they would have

fucking swastikas on their shirt just purely to piss people off, you know? That's kind of what it formed into. So, I mean, there is guys in the go. I've been around, I've been around a street, you know, you know. 1488 skinhead guys, man. I've been around them, bro. You know, I'm a very diverse person, man. I've been around all that.

I've been around the hood. I mean, bro, I've been around kings, all that, bro. You know what I mean? When I was banging, bro, I banged my shit heavy, bro. I wore my flag anywhere, bro. Anyone that ran with me knew that, bro. Because I was like, man, I really got to prove myself now. That was my thing.

I always have to prove myself. You ever walk by the mirror and bang on yourself? Shout on my boy, big hit. That's a lyric. I'm sorry. I had to do that. Okay. What's the difference between dating a natural

woman and a trans woman what's the primary differences um i think there's a lot of understandment between the relationship because in a sense i know what a man likes um and i know kind of the problems that a man faces like i've seen life from two perspectives i've you know when i was little i lived life as a boy at the time and i've seen life you know from a feminine aspect and way of life because I also have my feminine side of my brain. So it's like, you know, seeing that and I think with dating, it comes down to, you know, obviously we don't have a vagina unless it's surgical. But it's... Is that in your future?

No. No. No. I don't want to do it because I think there's a lot of complications that come with it. And I'm very comfortable with my body. I started If he's happy with it I love it

I think she's the most beautiful thing in the world man I really do man You know it's my lady man Because that was one thing that got very viral Is I don't know if you guys saw this But I interviewed a trans woman by the name Ava who's like young She's got the homie she'd be dating

She's dating a young black dude from the Bronx Or Brooklyn or something I know of homie I heard about homie and shit I actually DMed him like yo we could probably You know get along bro I probably do it the same shit you do it Right And that the one quote was that I asked him, how does a man-made vagina feel?

And he seemed like you didn't know what the fuck I was talking about at first. And then he's like, it feels good. It feels the same. And so many people wanted to show up in the comments and be like, they may not, I may not know what it feels like, but it does not feel the same. Get the fuck out of here. Bro, shout out to homie, bro. Stand strong, bro.

Don't let none of them people break you, dog. You guys got something special. You keep that shit. Don't let that shit go away, bro. Shout out of him. Because I know what you guys deal with. Right. And especially being a young black dude, especially.

I know you went through hell, especially being with the trips and all that. As a black dude, I feel like it's got to be a lot worse. Like the stereotypes. If the only see you, they might pop on you, bro. They might, you know, out in the Bronx, they'd be cutting people in the Bronx, bro. I know. I used to be around Castle Hills,

East Tremont, all that, bro. I used to be with the YGs, too, at some point. My boy was one of the top gunners out there. But, you know, I know how it could be for him, but that's why I reached out to me and probably to see it because he's probably got a lot going on. I'm like, man, I can probably relate to this.

Because I'm trying to star some, but I'm trying to show a reality TV show. I got a whole cast of women like her. Really? You know, yeah, I got a whole cast of women ready to go, bro. We all have a great relationship. We go out. We all, there's drama, but there's good love memorable moments. We all go out.

We show out. When her girls go out, man, they're like some fucking divas. I'm trying to start a reality TV show. Everybody is looking at us because we show out. A little bit taller than the rest of the chicks. Not necessarily. Oh, go. You know, I'm 5-7.

So I'm not super tall. I don't think for an average woman. But at the same time, we all are beautiful in our own way. And just the fact that we have all these beautiful faces at a VIP table, no matter if you're trans or not. But, you know, we stick together. And when the girls go out, we go out. And people are going to know we're out.

Ray J. is doing some sort of trans reality show right now. I don't exactly know how it's going to work, but he's doing something. My thing is I want to hold. I forget. I'm like... They told me the name. I want to do like we all live in the house together, get a couple other guys that like,

down in Miami or something like that. You were made for TV. I know I was. Anyone that wants like, I'm a reality TV guy, bro. I can keep the whole room entertain wherever I go, you know, I already know that. I don't know how to get it to.

His voice enters before he does. I was made for this shit, bro. You know, like I love fucking speaking wisdom, bro. You want you some shit, bro. I learned a lot of my stuff from Wes Watson. Oh, show all West Watson. Yeah, okay.

We're going to get into West Watson, bro. Shout out to Big West, bro. We're like, bro, there was a time when that website came out about me. Like, I lost my father. I got to have my father. Like, it was like a role model. Like a man to I go up to. So I found West Watson's content, which is fucking solid.

I'm not knocking the guy. That guy's a beast, boy. There's nobody more mentally trained than that man, bro. I hear his videos going on downstairs all the time. Five in the morning. And sometimes I'll, sometimes I'll, kind of listen to that's how I wake myself up every morning it's an intense you know program like I reached out to him like oh man going through some shit I got

this bad addiction some shit can't I didn't really get into details but I said you know so I was going through some shit on the internet and like he reached back to me like you know this one told me if you have a big following bro do something good with it he's like so you're gonna sign it for my program I was like well you know I really got the bread he's like what do you a good or something don't you message me or she's not from my program and I'm not a cloud chase signing a screenshot and do all that corny shit, right? That's whack.

So I was hurt by that. I was like, damn, bro. Like, you talk about, you speak about saving people's lives, but you're just one of those people that just wants me to go kill myself right now because that's what I wanted to do. So I always told myself, bro, I'm like, man, one day I'm running to that guy, bro. I don't care who he is, man. I got heart, bro.

Right? So I know, you know, like, there's a gym he goes to. That's kind of not too far from me. And I was like, I wanted to roll up on him one day at some point because I was like, bro, I'm so sick of people just fucking bash me like that. Like I would have probably been one of his best clients. But my point is, like, you had a big follow him, bro, and you just went and back. That's the shit that I deal with, bro.

Like, what man? I didn't know who to go to all this shit in the beginning. Like, what man do I go to and talk to this about? Just comes back to being a nice person. Yeah, that's not cool. I feel like, bro, I feel like us men, if we do want to explore something sexually, if you, you know, if you don't have a partner to express to it, like, what man do you go to and talk to about, like, that you want to do some shit with other than a natural woman? Who do you even go and tell that to? Right.

So what happens is you. You got DL men. Now you got DL men, down low men, right? So then DL men fuck around. Right, then they're down like it's happened to me. My girlfriend's caused some shit up in my phone, bro. I've experimented through all types of people, bro. It ain't nothing new, you know. And like a lot of these men bro will wind up doing that shit,

getting caught, wanting to kill themselves, getting, you know, it's like we should all be able to just, you should be able to communicate with your people or you're sitting for another. If there's something I want to try, my girls to try, we do it. We just talk about it. Yeah, we talk about it.

Yeah, that's it. So you can still listen to West Watson's YouTube. content. I shout to us. I still see shit. I think he's a fucking beast. I just would love to have a conversation face to face. And I don't know if violent shit, because violent is whack. Just I love him to understand what kind of man I was because I probably put like

a thousand people onto him. I put all my rehabs on those videos and they still show his videos to the clients today. I would have bad, right? Would have been. What is his best clients, bro? Straight up because I got that, that, like that man, bro, like that guy helped me fucking find this person that's always been in me, you know, waking up on a, I love

a militant program, bro. Like he does. wake up early eat da-da-da-da you know train myself read something knowledgeable you know i mean if you're in the business of helping people i just feel like that's kind of a bizarre way i idolize this guy i mean like like like come on i'm always speaking about big west i think his story's fucking impeccable but like that shit really hurt me at the time bro i was like damn man the one guy i thought was really living the truth i would never do that to none of my fans bro if i had the money i can go help a fan tomorrow if i read a message that i really hated and like really was disgusted by from a fan.

I'm just gonna not respond, you know? I'm learning that. That's like, you know, if I really hated whatever they were bringing to the table, I'm just not going to respond. To respond with negativity like that seems real crazy. I'm like, yo, let the man fucking live. If him and his wife want to fucking explore, even the fuck alone. I've commented on your shit.

So you know what made me want to actually do the content? Because I remember it was maybe a month, two months ago or whatever, when I first saw one of your videos on social media about wanting to do the interview. Yeah, I did it. At first, I was like, yeah, I wasn't like 100% like sold, but then I'm scrolling through YouTube and I see a video of another YouTuber reacting to a clip of you guys on a reality show. And yeah, I recognized you in the thumbnail and was like, all right, I'm going to check this out and I started watching it. And I was like very interested. What was that show that you guys were on?

Shout out to love don't judge. Okay. Over in the UK. Yeah. Okay. Now they got a good. They picked up on our story and they were very interested. and just our, you know,

embracement and our love. And it is about how love shouldn't judge, no matter if you're trans, straight, gay, no matter, you know, straight, you should embrace your partner, no matter who you're with. But that's why they picked us up is because, obviously, it's a controversial topic.

You know, he's with his background, dating somebody like myself, engaged to somebody like myself. It's, you know, we've dealt with a lot. We came on here to spread a message, bro. Like, start embracing people more, man. Stop hating on people, bro. Because, like, my friend, I've had friends that let me down, like,

because I'm dating her and, like, walked out in my life. I fucking cried over that shit, bro. And it's okay because it just shows you who is really at your table. And I've had a lot of people walk out of my life. And you know what? That's their loss. Yeah. Today, man, I'll tell you right now, like,

I'll take this girl over any one of my family members, man. Really? Straight up, bro. It's like that. This is who I'm going to be. with till the day I can't come home no more. Well, I mean, that might sound crazy to some people, but at the end of the day, she's accepting of the person that you really are, and it sounds like most of your family is not,

so it's kind of open and shut case, right? Yeah, it's a rally. My father ain't going to come around, bro. Anyone that knows my dad, he's an old school biker guy. He ain't coming around. He thinks the sons of f***ing all that. And that's cool, bro. You could think that.

But one thing why you can't say is, I'm a man. I say what I'm going to do, bro. One thing I promised my girl when I met her, fucking word for word, I grabbed her by her chin. I was like, look at me. the world is gonna not muffle your fucking voice anymore because mine is too loud for them not to hear and I said I promise you the entire fucking world is gonna know who we are and they're gonna know that you arrived mm that was a year and a half ago bro right we're everywhere on the internet right now and we and I don't like

Tristan Tate Tristan Tate commented on my shit too Tristan Tate reposted me shout to Tristan Tate Andrew Tate I love their content she she loves their shit she loves the Tate brother she thinks the Tate brothers are fucking hot she f*** the Tate brothers yeah she said she said the Tate brothers like he comment on he's like this gay he's like well like pretty much you gave me i could compliment trish he's like you know this gay man is maximizing his fame let me make shit clear i never came on here for fucking fame or clout and i told you that message you that said hey bro i want to make sure that you know i'm not coming on your thing to fucking for clout i'm not here for that

i came on here just so my lady could be fucking known and people can see what kind of soldier she is bro never given up become who how many men out there are people want to knock right like you said you wanted to be a movie star growing up or football player but you didn't become that well this girl said she was going to become a beautiful girl at a young age she did it with all odds against her i didn't know how it was going to turn out i just knew what i wanted i respect that to the fullest bro like i knew i had to do it because it was life or death for me if i couldn't do it then you know there was yeah no alternative definitely um yeah like Tristan Tate and Andrew Tate and all those kind of guys I mean I feel like

in large parts sometimes I just feel like they're kind of playing to their audience like they end up they end up tweeting shit based on what they know is gonna perform yeah yeah I don't know I mean I would love to get interested and interesting because I guarantee you they would respect me as a man by the time I walked out that door with the conversation we could have I guarantee it to you bro I might be able to I'll send this link to Tristan Tate when this comes out I'm telling you bro would like i could help spread a message to change your fucking world and perspective on things man i'm a man that we sorry and even if we you know explain our story and somebody still doesn't get it that's okay they weren't meant to understand it right you know and we have our circle of people that support us

and love us no matter what we go through no matter who we are and that's what really matters yeah you know i just i think i have a good way of delivering a message to yeah stand up for men like myself who did choose to go against the stigma, knowing that they probably, when it comes out, things aren't going to go so well. I'm standing up for the trans woman. I'm standing up for straight people. I'm standing up for people that have trouble finding themselves, bro.

I'm standing up for people that can't find their purpose in life. Let me help you. Reach out to me. I don't charge money. I don't do none of that. Anyone that messaged me, I literally take the time out of my day. I'm on the phone with some people just talking to someone.

I don't even know. Just like, hey, man, I'm dating a trans girl. My family's bikers too. This kid dealt with the same thing. I'm sitting there talking about. You get a lot of messages. from people in the same type of, you know, situation. I love helping people.

We love helping people, bro. Like, I think that's, I think me and her could start a movement, you know? You know, we're thinking about making, maybe making our own podcast pretty soon. You know, I'm bringing all, like, one thing, like, look at the rappers. I don't want to really bring his name up, you know, young book. Yeah, whatever he may have got caught up with, may or may not have. No disrespect to the cause, bro. It's true.

Straight to the soul, bro. I felt that for him when he had to go through that, bro. You know, I don't even know. I don't even know this guy. But I actually felt that for him, bro. You know, I wanted to get in touch with his cousin, actually, because I was really trying to get in touch with him to, like, start him. I was like, I want you to be my first person to come on

because you're someone I used to look up to. And I feel like when shit came out with him, maybe fucking with a trans girl, like, all his manhood went out the window. Everyone forgot about him, bro. Right, well, he's also had 50, like, basically picking at him for the entirety of his career. Yeah, I love 50. 50's my fucking idol, bro.

Me too, but damn, not somebody you want to beef with. Nah, 50's a, hey, 50's the motherfucking king in New York, bro. Like, 50's a very inspirational guy. Actually, there was time. when I was struggling, bro, I watch all 50 cents motivational videos. I mean, she watches 50 cents. Really? He was motivation. Yeah.

She really wanted to become Nikki Minaj. Shout out to Nikki Minaj because she's the like, that's inspired her. Miss Minaj. Right here is Nikki Minaj. It's the year of Gag City. Gag City? Yeah. That's what she's pushing or that's what you're pushing?

And that's what everybody's pushing. What's a gag city? No, it's, have you arrived at Gag City? Is Gag City like a blowjob reference? No, it's, um, It's a world where everybody's just... I didn't listen to the new Nicki Minaj album. Am I missing out on something right there?

Does I have gag city on it? It's all about gag city. Really? Yeah. Gag like... It could be. Okay. No.

I literally like... Oh, one thing too, man. I was throw it out there, bro. You know, hey, they come up, all that. I just realized that was you. Really? Yeah, I had no fucking idea. You rode BMX back in the movie?

Yeah, bro. Animal Jam, Brooklyn Banks, bro. The first one? Yeah, bro. You were there? Yeah, bro, I skipped school as a kid. I'm like, fucking eighth grade, bro. That was like, what?

That was like 2008. That's literally 20. 2006? No, I think it's 2005. Yeah. That's like almost 20 years ago that we were at the same place. Every year, bro. Yeah, he was there.

I used to skip school, get on the Ronconcombe went to Penn train, get off. My ice ride my scooter there. Really? My fucking bike, bro. That's before I even had the website. So I was a totally random guy back then. Yeah, bro.

Yeah, bro. I used to go. a lab went to rosa a couple times fucking a muffin man muffin man oh shit i'm like oh shit i'm like no bro i love fucking get a day riding what you out here bro when these parks man this is one of something i've always wanted to do i got to start riding bikes again i miss it man i'm too old i feel like i'll break a bone or some shit yeah that's how i feel too i can't hurt myself but i mean realistically man like i just hope like everyone really man like i get some better understanding because like we're not this isn't this isn't where we're starting it's right here man like we're

I'm going to be moving forward from now on. We're going to do something with this, you know, and we really appreciate you bringing us on, man, because, like, we want to show people how great we are, man. It's a couple. Like, we really just love everyone, man. We're like a cool-ass couple to be. This is the dopest chick I've ever been around.

All my homies, all the homies love her, first of all. I'm going to say, all the black homies, they love her, first of all. I'm saying, like, all my homies. They all love kicking it with Cassidy. Cassidy, literally, I'll come home. My boys are kicking it with Cassidy alone, just hanging out with her. She's like, one of the homies, man. She's like, cool as fuck.

Do you ever hanging out of there and you're just like, I'm a hustle, I'm a hustle la homie, different Cassidy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I had to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to cast. I used to bump cast, too. But, no, I mean, you know, Louie, she's a brother. Everyone was going to expect her to come dress like a sot today because she's an only

fan's girl, right? I said, now, fuck that, sweetheart. You're more than the only fans girl. We're going to get you. I went and got her a pink suit, got her the pink Louie belt, got her some, you know, with yours and shit like that. But, I mean, I'm just proud of who she is, man. Like she comes to wherever she shows up in the room in.

She's always inspiring people. You know, I think people need to look past more of the fact that she's trans. She's someone that accomplished the biggest goals of becoming the person she wanted to become. Isn't that all of our end goal to be who. Live your truth. Yeah, exactly. It feels like a lot of people in this like modern day media environment, it's just a lot of, a lot of meanness and stuff. There's a lot of rudeness and a lot of ugly behavior.

I agree. That is not needed. And so I challenge the people at home, you know, even if your natural reaction to this is that you're not a fan of it, question that about yourself. Why do you feel that way? Why are you so angry? I'm looking at you guys like a happy couple. Like we're about to go grab some dinner after this. Like that is kind of the weird part is I'm looking at you like a woman and I have to kind of like remind myself.

I'm like, all right. But why do you have to remind yourself? I don't know, my biological brain just wants to put the pieces together. Sometimes we'll be hanging out. Yeah. I swear to God, word of my mother, I'll forget. And then I'll just like, I'll touch her. I'll bet.

I'll forget. I'll forget you were a trainee, babe. We joke around. I'll call her a trainee all the time and joke around. I'll make me a sandwich, you little sissy. She'll come back on me and she'll like cock back. She'll like, you better respect me, you know. She's fucking cool, man.

Like we joke around. It's like we can take jokes, but in a way where it's like if somebody is obviously shaming us for being who we are. I'm like, defend those. You know, yeah. That's what happened on the typical liberal post. My family's never met her. They never met her. My sister and brother will never even really FaceTime

they're to talk to, right? At all the times I'm in rehab and she's holding my bro, she's paying my fucking rent, her rent, my car, everything. Like, there was a time when she was paying, we had three apartments between my and hers and our new one. Three apartments, my truck, that's a thousand, all my other bills, electric and everyone.

I'm spending all my work money on drugs. This girl's holding everything down for fucking eight months to ten months. All that money. I rent was three grand in each place almost. What fucking girl is going to do that today? Really, what one of you girls today would pay tens of thousand dollars for a man

while he gets his money? He just blows it on drugs. Who would actually stay with a man like that? I just saw his potential and I knew the kind of man that he can be and I knew that our relationship was going to bring that out of him. So people could see you guys fucking the shit out of each other

on Onlyfans, I'm assuming? Absolutely. Follow your boy at the hung plumber. If you like big dicks, like, look, man, if you- Maybe all four of us sometimes. Yeah, I talk about all that. I say all the time, people think I'm gay. I'm like, I still, she likes me,

natural pussy. Yeah, she wants to be a natural pussy. He still shows me girls that he's, and how long have I been showing him on? How long have I been showing him? Oh yeah. I've been showing her. She's like, she said, absolutely,

I'd love for you to fucking co-labor. She said it too, she said, Adams's hot as fuck, say it. Yeah, handsome man, we got it with the tattoo. Yeah. Yes. The trans girl compliment you. You know you're hot, bro.

I'm going to Avians right after this, so I'm going to have to get used to like acting hot. Right. I don't normally feel like that, but I'm going to have to be out there. She said Adam's Jack, Adam's tatted up. He's got a big dick and he's got a collabular. Well, she said you're tied it up. You got a big dick and it's all good. I mean, I support all you.

This is my thing now. I'm like a hairy chess guy. She likes that shit. I'm a hairy chest guy. She's got this at home, but she likes that like the daddy shit too. You got your dad bug. Yeah. She likes that shit.

Exactly. He likes that shit. He and Lenin can relax by the pool. It's all good. I love it. I'm telling you, bro, like, we have so many married couples who hang out. Like, like, man, they love her, bro. Like, they literally, hanging out.

Yeah, we go shopping, anything. Like, we'll just actually hang out as real people. We'll get dinner on time, dog. We'll get dinner one time. Let's do it. Absolutely. Speaking of it. More in depth talk.

Yeah. I would love to keep interrogating you guys, but I got to go try to catch the kid right before my girl puts her down. He's got to do his thing. He's got to do his thing. Yo, but this was amazing. I'm so stoked on you guys's relationship and the love that is present. right here my boy my dude

my fucking guy honestly like the people that last transa oh there you go yeah the last trans couple that I had on here they were a little bit more quiet awkward they were a little younger talk you guys are all out here I love it yeah yeah and that's the thing is we don't we'll put anything out there

like get me my own thing going bro our own podcast going we might need to have you guys on plug talk we got to know we got to do plug talk to get more into depth about the sexual dirty shit and all the weird shit that I like and we can talk about the should I do and the weird shit she does she's a freak but she's a classy woman at the same time we can talk about that all right yeah I want to get my own platform going on man the hung plumber the hung plumber jacked jacked like jess on this score like on the score like

jess hit me up girl next door Cassidy on only fans and Cassidy collie on Instagram I love it this is a comment section I cannot wait to read yeah be kind you fain mongers and shout out shout out to the west all respects to all or e-rays and I mean, you know, disrespect to anyone bringing up. That's my old life. That's my old past being in the gang. I am not in that no more. No disrespect to any sets or anything.

God bless you guys. If I see anyone from that, like it's most, most respect. Like, that's my past. Any of that stuff you heard about me, that is my past. I'm a new man today. I'm sure. I understand that. God bless.

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