No Jumper - Jewice on Flatbush Zombies Being Pioneers, Calls Out Sharp for his Interview Style & More

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

Juice from Flatbush Zombies talks about the evolution of the rap game, how the Zombies pioneered a genre, calls out No Jumper for not acknowledging the Zombies, performing solo shows, opening for Prof, and much more! ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Sharp Tank. No jumper. Sharpest, coolest podcast in the world. And today, I got an honor. One of my homies in the building, man. We got my man Juice from Flatbush Zombies. It's an honor. Thank you.

Real deal, Holyfield, man. Like, your resume rarely check out. And it was cold to meet you at apartment 200 that night, man. I'm saying? Just meeting y'all and just being in the atmosphere, man. It was cold, man. We were actually celebrating 10 years. is Better Off Dead, which is our classic mixtape,

Flavisani's Mix Tate, Better of Dead. So we're celebrating the 10 years of that mix tape that night. Man, it was, hey, it was popping in there that night, man. It was going up. It was good. It was good. It was good. It brings out the people. I brought, like, 20 with me, and we just had a good time.

It's always a good vibe when I hit West Hollywood, man, and get to go hang out. You know, man, it's always, uh, me personally, what I love, I love a diverse crowd. Like, I love being around diverse crowd. Like, it's a little bit of everybody. You know what I'm saying?

You don't want to just be there, pocket watching at you and stay there. You don't want to be the out. I don't want to stand out. You know what I'm saying? I just want to be able to blend in amongst us. You know what I'm saying? So it's definitely a cool experience, man, to go up over there, man,

because it's a lot of diverse people. That's why I like it. It's decent. It's safe. It's diverse. It's cool. I just hate it because it's like the place to go now. Apartment 20 is always.

Bro, I'm not going to lie to you. It definitely, it is blown up now. It was the shit, right? Like, that was a spot you know you could go to. You can kind of dress however you want to. You know, church, and you can kind of... And our homies at the door.

Homies are at the door. You know what I'm saying? It's, man, but it's just messed up, bro, because I can't believe, man. Shout out to my homie. They'll be wearing the hat, man. I can't believe he got shot in the leg, man. They f*** around and popped him.

I heard the whole, their whole security team quit. The whole security team quit, man. But it's all good, though, because when I went back, because I went back, just to go see what happened, like all the Uso's running in now. So they cool. They family too. Simone's up there now?

Simone's up there now. You know, they're ready to eat whatever. They're knocking them out. They're ready for whatever. So I just hate that because I really like that spot, man. And it seems like everything that's good, some of it always happens. Yeah. You know?

You don't got to bring a gun back. Juice, talk to me, man. Tell me what you're from, man. God is good. God is good. I'm from Flatbush. I'm a little emotionally drained at this exact second because for the last three days, I've been talking about Israel and Palestine to my friend groups nonstop.

And it's draining. So that's why I'm a little out of it Because it started at 9 o'clock They woke up to like 500 messages And we're not gonna get too deep into that But it's just like oh my God Seems like nobody It seems like everybody that's in and don't really want to talk

Too much about it Because they don't want to go overboard They don't want to piss a friend off That may have certain beliefs Because it's definitely been a controversial It has been And I don't agree with anyone killing anyone And it just sucks

You gotta pick a side or something But you don't have to And I hate that people are pressuring celebrities or famous people to pick aside. That sucks. Yeah, because they were doing that, I believe they did that to Drake and DJ Collie. They said on Breakfast Club, right? Yeah, they were wondering why

they didn't say anything. They don't got to. Yeah. I'm from Flatwoods, Brooklyn. That's like the melting pot, kind of the melting pot of New York, Brooklyn, I would say. Flapper specifically, we got Dominicans, we got Puerto Ricans, we got Mexicans, we got Haitians, we got Jamaicans.

We got churnedadians. It has everything you can think of. Even my son, he's half Guatemalan. Wow. So we have everything in there. And then I'm grateful for growing up in Flatwich, Brooklyn. I was so grateful we put in our group name, Flatbush. Right.

Flatbush zombies, man. I've grown to know that, to know that you guys have been knowing each other since you guys were young. Yeah, man. So I met Meach in the third grade. He had got kicked out of school. His school was terrible. I think it was PS-181. one that's like in the hood like van of air projects around that area and um he went to my my

my school which is like i'm on avenue i we went to ps119 that's avenue k um so he had a little trek to get over there but i met him in there and um we were the different kids kind of in that school we bonded over like video games and like being only kid only childs and then um me is used me to eric and they lived on 31st street and 31st street was also where i grew up to um my family lived in 31st street and uh beverly on new kirk and they live on 31st in beverly So the whole time, I was literally a block away from them. I didn't really know. Yeah, you wasn't in the gangs and nothing like that gang politics.

Was your gangbanger growing up? No, not me. I'm not a gang banger. I'm a street n-mm-a. There's a difference. It's a difference. You know, but shout to all my homies that they do it. I'm a street hustler.

I was just curious, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, coming from Brooklyn, you know, some rough neighborhoods over there, man. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I think anywhere they kind of almost force you to pick a side. They do. And my neighbor was mostly Crip. And I was able to have colored hair and walk around Flatbush

and have a pocket of money and sell drugs and be safe the whole time. What was up with the colored hair, man? The colored hair? I'm going to come clean. Honestly, come clean. 2010 fashion week. And I wanted to do something different.

And I was like, nobody's going to f***m enough to dye the hair. Because that's stupid. That looks weird. And no one wants to do that. So I did that 2010. And I never looked back. So we're 13 years in. And I want to say that I kind of help.

help start that trend, period. So you've been dying for 13 years. Yeah, I was literally the first dumbass to do that. I did it just to be a dumbass. Just a troll. And actually, oh, I look good. I look handsome a blonde here. So he just kept doing it.

So really it was just a troll move. You know what I'm saying? It was an accident that just happened to stick with you. Like I think literally before that, the nigger Rattest had did it at a Laker game or something. I was like, yeah. Hmm. And that's crazy.

Crazy. I ain't going to lie, bro. Like, if you probably walked up on Ron Artez and like, to roast him about his color, colorful. He's liable to take off on you. Oh, yeah. Queensbridge. I ain't got a lot to you. Queensbridge. He's the man.

Yeah, he's a Lexington, New York Legend. He's definitely one of the men. You ever had to honor the medium? No, but I got to meet Stefan Marbury once. That's another New York Legend in basketball. That's dope. Mom, I remember Marbury the Marbury's. Yeah.

Cheap as, them cheap as. They worked. They worked. They worked. They worked. They were wearing them in Brooklyn playing ball. They worked. Really? He was wearing them. We were getting roasted, but they didn't care.

Wow. Yeah. So I did it as like a troll move, but I actually ended up liking it. I've always been into fashion. We always collected sneakers. That's one of the first things ever sold with sneakers. Buying SBs, buying Jordans, flipping them. That's how I even kind of met this man right here, Barlow's.

We've been friends. This was the first ever met in L.A. We've been friends since, since, well, I was 14, 15. Like when I had my first kid, well, not that 15. I had my first kid on 17, but. Yeah, selling packs across the water. So you've been in the fashion, though, it seems like for a long time. Like it seems like that's a big piece of your passion other than just the music.

Yeah. We don't get too much credit for that no more. But yeah. Yeah, we definitely. What was some of the like first pieces you remember? Like he said, man, this is it right here. Like I'm liking this. The first pair of SB Dunks that I bought, I think straight cash was the dinosaur juniors.

And I was so hyped to get those. It was like these silver joints with little purple hints on them. And they were like kind of funky. Like who's going to wear something? silver shoes or whatever, but those were like the first joints I actually bought. And from there, I just started selling, selling, selling, selling. And actually, flabber zombies is a part of a bigger group called the Beast Coast. And Beast Coast is Joey Badass and Pro Error.

A fuckeroy badass. The underachievers and Flabbitzami's. And the unachievers are like my best friends. One of the group members, his name is Issa. And Issa, I used to not smoke weed. I used to be like Malcolm X in the hood. I just like, you guys are smoking, you guys are terrible. You guys, black power with the phone, I got poisoning your minds.

And I must have been like 16 years old. And this dude, Issa, we bonded over like sneakers crazy. And this dude, Issa was like, yo, if you just smoke one joint with me, I'll get you these three bear lows. It was like these SB dunks, like fur on them, like, called the three bears. He said, I know you need three real lows. If you smoke this one joint with me, I'll get you them. And I had to think about it. I really want those sneakers.

I think I've seen those before. Have you seen the ones that they got to look like the grand. They got the loan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The money that they want for some of these shoes is insane. It's insane. It's insane. The market's fucked up these days with SBs in general, but it's insane.

Well, it's a popular shoe. Yeah. The $S.Bs are a popular shoe. Yeah. Sbs are a popular shoe. And to believe, like it was just a skate shoe. You got nice ass louis on your feet That's a few more hundred

You're grabbing those Literally I mean that's what I've been on lately You're just trying to I try to buy stuff They don't have too much logos on it But it's expensive Yeah

Well I always believed in Like the real shit to me Like I don't really know If somebody's wearing something real Or wearing something fake When you see the design All over the clothing Like

It's supposed to be tasteful You know what I'm supposed to buy I'm not supposed to notice What it is until I get All the way up on you And be like Oh shit That's when it could get tacky.

It makes it look tacky when I notice what it is from far away. I don't know if I'm the only person that kind of does that. No, because a lot of these rich rapper niggins, they just throw in a bunch of expensive shit, and they look tacky because they put all these logos together. It's like, eh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it don't mesh. Like, I like something that the logo's hell of small in the corner like the YSel hat that you have on. That's classy. That's classic new era logo.

It ain't got it everywhere all over the damn hat. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like who are you trying to prove something to at that point. Exactly. I'm on the same level. I feel that way. Yeah. We got a clothes do you like, like, where you like, you like, you seem like a guy that can go thrifting very well.

Like, you know how to go find some shit. Back in the day, yeah. The infamous dollar shorts. Shout to everybody knows about the infamous dollar shorts in my friend group. We shared like these dollar shorts for like eight years. But they're just like, we found out the thrift storm flap, which, yeah. And not the bitch of y'all just got to pass them around. Mm-hmm.

And shout to the legendary Nick shorts that was passed around. Shout to all the bitches that knew about the Knicks shorts. Where is a guy like juice like to shop today? Like what do you like, where do you like that? I'm boring as fuck now. A couple of your favorite stores. I'm boring as fuck now. I just go to Louis, go to Dior.

My niggas in Japan, magic stick. My brand talking terps. Yeah, yeah. I was going to come here in a flat with shirt and shorts. And then my shorty was like, you're stupid. And I said, fuck you. Okay, I'm genuine. Thank you for, thank you for waking me up this morning.

Why did she say that? Why do you feel like she said that'd be stupid? Like, why? I don't get it. She was like, how are you going to go there and look like you're about to walk the dog? I said, damn, baby. You know what?

Hey, I'm a firm believer in come however makes you feel comfortable. You know what I'm saying? Like if you want, if that's what you felt like coming in, bro, hey, be our guest. You know what I'm saying? I want you, because I want you comfortable.

I don't want you to feel like you got to, oh shit, I got to dress up. I got to do it because that ain't really you. And I feel like if you're not being, if you're not dressing like you, how are you going to be able to, you know, bring that out? You know what I'm saying?

But you made a good point. Some of you have don't know me that well. So I thought I was just going to hang out. So I was like, all right. Some of these kids don't know flabbers like that. They don't know it. So let me just come and perform on here.

Well, it seems like a lot of people know you. Because you guys have been on the map for quite some time. I used to get mad at Adam. Not necessarily you, but I used to get mad at Adam and them when people bring up flabber zombies on the show. And they were like, I don't know flabby zombies. Who were they? I was like, fuck you guys.

I'm never coming to no jimper. Thank you guys, man. It's like, how to fuck? Because I feel like that's the story. People act like they don't know FlaB, but people act like we don't, haven't been doing this independent movement and pushing the genre so fucking far.

And people act like that. So anytime I hear that, I get so bothered, but that's me I have to grow up. Where do you feel like Flatbush zombies like push the barrier? Where do you feel like you separated yourself? Being yourself, man.

Being yourself and not caring, like you said. Yeah. Just being yourself and not caring. Like we went out there, didn't care what anybody said, beat ourselves, told our message. When we came out,

no one was talking about, experimenting with psychedelics that much no one died their hair no one had to go crazy funds like that it was only the ASEF mob the TDE and the what's the our future

right we were the thing that pushed this whole culture forward to being yourself all the new rappers all the new cats these are years so you're pretty much saying these are you to talk if you want I want you to talk six nine copy days

I was about to say these are all your babies. Yes, sir. These are all your babies. Yes, sir. In the sense, yes, sir. Like, if you really think about it, like, some of the ones that are coming up now, like, so for people to say they don't know the fuck you are, they should know,

because your style and the way that you guys have, you know, on yourself to the world, it shows everywhere. And even, like, the dark tone of music, like, I'm more of the light in the group. My partner meets. He's the fucking king of death. He's the dark guy. And a lot of those kids took notes, man. Took notes, man. But it's cool.

I grew up out of that. I used to be fucking five, six years ago. I used to feel away. But, you know, it took time to grow up and know, like, your place in life and know what you're doing. And I'm good with that. I'm good with knowing that I'm a vessel.

It's funny to see now that all these little kids I see moving through West Hollywood and dressing like this, you said that you're one of the people who set the tone. Yeah. Pretty much one of the founders of it. You can say, yeah, y'all was calling this shit weird back then. Now look at y'all.

Y'all was calling this shit weird as fuck back in. I say I died for your sins. That's how I like to say I said in a rap, I die for your sentence So you could do it Because when we had to do it We had to go through The grimy-s niggas in New York Who the fuck of these weird nakers doing this shit?

Yeah But we have the resume and the stats To prove we're weird But we are just as much flat with your street As any of a nigga Out here doing it But we just had to prove that shit And it took a lot

I love to see like My culture being able to like Set a trend In other in other I don't know how to really say Because I don't want to say it Without like offending people But like I just

love to see, like, my culture be able to come into somebody else's culture and rank supreme. Does that make sense what I'm saying? Like, y'all kind of dropped in over in another culture where y'all got all the white boys, all the Mexican kids, everybody. It's a melting pot of people. And I love that you said, the Mexican part because a lot of people would think that it's just white boys, no.

You see Mexican homies out here? Yeah. Ride for us, and they are buying albums. I did my research. They did my research. They're the really number one, Flavis zombie fans, low-key. For real. So I'm happy you mentioned that.

Yeah. When's the last time you did a show? Luckily, well, not luckily, what, talent is God. Laura was actually at the last show, one of the last shows I did two weeks ago. I just did like my own solo set for the first time. I opened up for an artist named Prof and Laura fucks with Prof, so she was there. Well, Prop is a really good friend of mine. You know what I'm saying?

I fuck with Prof. I was the person that brought him through here for an interview. Oh, nice, nice, nice. I did an interview with him a while back. So he's a good friend of mine, man. His music, he goes crazy. He does. He would think that he get down like he does.

He does. Because of his look, you know. But that dude is more diverse than I see anybody. And that's part of why I took the deal. His manager, Adam, Schro. I'm a good person to open up for it, bro. Brood, he took me to a whole new fan base. I was open up front of people that didn't really know me,

and that was a blessing because now I get to spread messages with new people. And now those new people saw me rap, and they went to the merch table and bought CDs. So that means that it worked. And, yeah, I told Prof, I'm here for the team, and I rocked out every night with him. We went to where every night. So how did it feel to

Like do it by yourself? Like how was that moment? At first It was nerve-wracking Because it's so easier To have two other people by your side Helping you, whether it's on the raps Or live on stage

We're one of those groups That actually rap our words while we're rapping There's N NMP3 in the background So it means a lot to have them there saying those words Or me saying their words So when I have to do it alone And then when I have to do it with my homeboy Trav who's really our merch man who's not really our DJ

I had to do that whole solo tour not a traditional DJ that was fun too just you know but there's no like real mistakes in life it's just learn and keep going so that was fun like just getting it from the ground up type shit so you're like that was that your first time ever performing without your group um yeah besides that it was April 20 20th um at the peppermint rounds

I did my first first first solo set I had um singers I did acoustic shit I did the hip hop shit we went on we went all with it because you know that at that point it's all on your back. It's not like we could go on the back and powwow into who fucked up tonight. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, who fucked this shit up tonight? There's been moments. You know, and I'm sure there's been moments in the locker room. We're like, hey, bro, you fuck that shit up tonight. I just want you to know that. And you, your looks have been coming a fucking problem. You know what I'm saying?

We can't do this shit no more, man. We got to step it up. So for you to be able to go and hit the stage and like by yourself, I know, man, there was a million butterflies in you. It was, but you know, as a performer or just anything, maybe you on your first week here, you was a little, once you walked in the door, but once the light went on,

it went away. It went away, you was just moving and grooving, and that's how I see. You might have a little bit nerves, or once intro, it's gone. Well, I feel like it's like this, right? And maybe you, you were saying, give me some insight, if I'm wrong.

It's gotta be different, like when you're going up there by yourself, it's like starting over. Oh, it's almost the four. I started over. Yeah, it's a former starting over, man. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

You like smoking weed, huh? You love weed? Yeah, I tried to get you some shit. Because I have a brand called Talking Terps. Me and my partner, Hope Lord and Philip Annen. We have this dope weed lifestyle, home goods, everything. It's called Talking Terps. And I'd be seeing all the cool shit.

And y'all always had the sushi up here before. So I was like, fuck, I need to get them some pads or something. I had no gifts. I didn't have no gifts to it. I fucked with Zushi. Shout out of Zushi. I fucked with a, well, Tenco actually. Because Tinco was, yeah, big snacks.

They were the ones. Shout out to snacks. They were the ones that actually put out the Zushi. So I had the blue Zushi, had the yellow Zushi, had the Husabi, I had the Zoy. Oh, you're up to date? Yeah, I'm up to date.

Like, I've smoked them all. You know what I'm saying? The Domino, when they drop that. You know what I mean? So I definitely, I love weed, most definitely. And the brand is called Talking Terps. And for those of you that love weed, terps are short for turpines.

And turpines is what gives. all the plants in existence, it's smell and psychological properties. So when we're smoking weed, I don't want to smoke some weed that tastes like I'm just smoking backwood or vanilla dutch. I want to smoke some shit as flavor. So I named the brand talking terps.

Right. Because we're talking flavor. We're trying to taste the good shit. We don't get high regardless. Every guy to smoke one to five. But we want to taste and it'd be pleasant. You know what I mean? Pleasant.

That's why I don't smoke once. Yeah, I'm vegan. I smoke nothing but joints. Yeah, I'm vegan. Yeah, I smoke nothing but papers. You know what I'm saying? Shout to everyone that does. Yeah, yeah.

No, geez, they're on. But, like, why I start smoking joints was because I wanted to taste the weed. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to know, like, you put my shit in a flavored-ass blunt. I'm tasting more flavor than I am anything. Or more tobacco than anything. Yeah, like, I don't want to taste that shit.

I mean, like I said, I smoke cigarettes already. I smoke a cigarette alone. Yeah, I'll smoke that shit alone. Fucking Donnie and them may be fucking rolling spliffs. I come in in the morning. Donnie's fucking breaking down a big ass pile of spliff. So they can start getting them going I've never understood that shit by the way

Donnie and maybe we'll have a conversation about that later. Grabattings. Yeah, I never really understood that but like I said with like weed man I've always wanted to taste it. I got to definitely taste your droll, man. I want to see what you got going, what you got brewing. We got, we don't have anything legal. I was more trying to get you hooked up on the merchandise tip and the

homeless tip. I'm going to get you. I just want to smoke with you. It's not, hey, it's not selling if you're giving. If you give it to somebody. Amen. You can't say anything. We're just past weed around. You know what I'm saying? I just want to put this out here. Your hummy, um, he said he was a fan. What was it homie that works right here with the white shirt on? That is Mikey, I believe. Shout out Mikey. Mikey told me, um, him and his friends bonded over

flat with zombies and acid back in 2016. And I was telling him, I love those stories, but I also hate those stories. Um, I love those stories because I like that we can help open people's minds to new things and new ways of thinking. But I don't like those stories when it becomes a story of trauma or tragedy where you take these things too far. And he told me that, you know, for a moment, he had to delay over those things and kind of get into focus again. And now he's going to into microdoses. So I just wanted to put this down here.

These are micro doses. I just want to put that there. Yeah, we microdoses and what is this? Let me see. This is probably the Molly or the Candy Flip. Candy Flip means Molly and Ellison one. But it's like a little cute little whoop and you spray it and you get the microed in. Where do you spray it at?

Your mouth? Yeah. I wouldn't tell you to do that right now. That's the candy flip one. I don't want you to do that. That means it's them d-a-man acid. I would, like, give you something. What the fuck do you got going on, buddy?

They call me, they want me to the hood scientist. I'm the hood scientist, for real. But I just wanted to put out there for fun. Shout, shout out my niggas. It's not my brand, but shout my niggis. It's true? I mean, that- You seem like that was probably one of the first things you picked up from a kid.

Yeah. Knowing you, bro, you fuck with some shit. There wouldn't be flabber zombies if it wasn't for a shroom trip or two. There wouldn't be the Beascoast movement. It wasn't for a shroom trip or two. And it wouldn't be a lot of bullshit. if it wasn't for that damn shroom trip. So shout out my nigga Easton.

Unachievers. We did that. Man, bro. For the East Coast. I don't know what y'all thinks was doing over here. I ain't talking that much shit. But on the East Coast, we did that. So you're saying you liked that your music did, like, influence happy highs.

You know what I'm saying? You're not one to be like everybody crashed the fuck out. Still listen to my music. No, if that's fucking you up, man. You know, I feel like you promote the healthy side of it. And then people just take weirdness or craziness or wherever they see and then create their own thing and think that we support like pills and shit. And we never really talked about that in our music. So that was never the thing.

So then there's a lot of zombie fans that like perks and bikes and oxies and they end up overdosing and shit or fentanyl or something. And that shit hurts because that was never our message. You know, it's fucked up because the only music that I ever liked that and ever talked about that type of shit. And I'm going to be honest with you was the other Jews. Jews world. I was the only one like I fucked with it like. I told you I'm on that Jew, Palestinian, I tell you all just said Jews.

Sorry, shout out of these world. Rest and peace. Shout out of juice, bro. You funny as hell, bro. I fuck with you, the dog. Because you're all open, like you're free-spirited, you know. And I almost didn't want to come up here at first because my album is called Love Without Conditions,

and I've been following you for a minute. And lately I come on here, and you are trashing these motherfucking chicks out here. And you would probably say it as, maybe they deserved it. Maybe they're not handling themselves the right way. Do we call it dressing or enlightenment? That's why I say you're going to call the enlightenment.

For me, I am so sensitive towards that shit because I'm on a movement right now where it's like maybe some of those women are like that because of what we put them through as men in society. Not you specifically or me specifically, but yeah, I have definitely done some fucked up shit and I'm so all over that. So it hurts to see infidelity these days

and crazy ways. It hurts to even see the conversations you have with people. I don't know. exactly what was said at this point is the way it made me feel at the time. And that shit and it hurts because I'm wanting such a love movement and women need to be free. I'm in like, fuck control the woman. I think a problem men have is they want to control women. That's your line of business.

Work that business. But when it's a relationship status, don't control your fucking wife to that degree or your girlfriend sometimes. If you're out here playing, play, but don't fucking lie too. Don't lie and play too. But what are you going to say? You know, okay. Love women. Love women, Sharpie. I know you love women, but love women, Sharpe.

Let's unpack the lunch here, okay? Just so you can have a better understanding. Yeah. What I do with some of these women, bro, I just try to help them catch up to speed. That's all it is. I miss that old school strong woman, man. The woman with a good mindset, a strong mindset. Like, I know that I can lean on her sometimes, maybe not all the time.

But if the going gets tough and it gets fucked up, I want to know that a chick that I'm with or I'm around can make a sound decision. Not move out of emotion, not just run your mouth, just to be running your mouth, but know how to make a sound decision. I miss those kind of women. People can sit there and say that I, and this is real, bro, I want to put this on the record. People can say that I hate women. I don't like women.

dog, I gave my life to women for 20 years. That's what I said. I gave my life. I could have been anything. I could have did anything, but I chose. I had to choose too. It's all the choice. I chose to give my life to women, man.

So when I see women that are doing disappointing shit or saying shit that doesn't make any sense, I'm going to speak up on it, bro. It has to be said, whether they like me or not. A lot of these chicks, man, some of the ones that I've interviewed so you don't know, like behind the scenes, still talk to me to this day. You know what I'm saying?

Have still, hey, thank you for everything. Like, for real, you help me see, like, really wake my game up. One girl, Kazumi, she was like, man, I've been meeting the think sharp. He really helped me step my game up. Like, I ain't going to lie. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not the, it's, number one, it's my voice. My voice is raspy.

And then I'm passionate. You mix those together, especially for the, the, the, The modern day of society, they're soft. So they're going to take it as aggression, not passion. You know what I'm saying? Not somebody who's really standing on their principles and standing on who they are. I'm a person that stands on who I am. When it comes to females, I just want to see them have a bad.

Come on, like, catch up, hey? I don't like sitting around dumb women. Or women that lack intelligence or knowledge. I like a strong woman, man. Like, teach me something, too. If we're going to sit at the round table and you're going to sit with me. you better bring something to it. And we're not talking about money.

We're not talking about drugs. We're not talking, no. Bring something to it. Bring something that I can carry with me for the rest of my life. Yeah, well, you said teaching and teaching the substance. So bring substance. Bring some substance to it, you know?

And like I said, I love women to death, man. I just don't like the mouths. Like if you're going to talk like a man, that's unattractive to me. Walking and talking like a man is very... So you don't like New York women. I love, you know what? To be honest with you,

actually, very far. of New York women. It's the niggas that I ain't. I'm gonna keep it real, which y'all don't even like each other out there. So, nigga, why the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Like, the chicks actually be,

they're actually strong. Them's the type of women I'll be talking about. Like, they'll let their man lead. I like a strong woman that's allowing me to lead. So do you believe, though, that, before that being said, do you believe, though, that men are dextramental to the girl for women sometimes,

and we are kind of holding them back, and they can kind of while out because we while out and we put them in those positions to while out? Can you at least agree on that? It can be, yeah, for sure. Just depends on the situation. It depends on the situation and the person that she's dealing with.

But see, this is when I hop into the part of the conversation that I let her know, like, baby, this is your choice. You got to be smart enough. You have to be smart enough to make the right decisions. You cannot choose the wrong person and then blame them. Well, they can choose the wrong person once or twice a little bit. Let me make some mistakes. I make mistakes. But when I constantly keep sitting there fucking.

with the same bitch, right? Or like, I'm having problems with, like, different chicks and I'm having these, I'm going through these rigum of rows. When do I start to reevaluate the situation to say, hey, maybe this was me. Maybe it's something that I'm doing. Women got to be able to do that, too. You got to be able to critique your character too, baby. Don't just leave it to the man because you'll always find yourself pointing fingers.

So you'll live a life appointing constantly. So we're going to do the new no-jumper session, low without conditions, and we just spread love to everybody. that's the conclusion i listen i spread love to them i just spread love differently my love is tough love i believe in that so you know what i'm saying and because you know why it's needed tough love work for me you know how many people you'll you'll see they'd be like man i wish i had somebody to be on my ass coming up you know what i'm saying like really like care about me like kept a foot in my ass and kept me on a straight and arrow man there's people their kids that's why kids act out because they've seen for that

people want to be around like let me tell you some men there's some people that lead there's some people that follow unfortunately we have a world where there's more followers than leaders essentially you want more women leaders and more women we need to balance man we need to find the balance I just want some some so how do we teach how do we teach these women to catch up to speed

in a way where it don't look like by embracing themselves truly and genuinely not waking up to look it Instagram and Facebook to tell you how to live. Oh, fuck that. Or trying to, you know, you see somebody else going on a vacation or they're having money and they're spending money and they're living their life and you see all this and then you roll over to see your nigga. He might, you know what I'm saying?

Y'all might not be fortunate, but he's shit. He just worked a 14-hour shift. Like, he's trying to put it together. You know what I'm saying? And you wake up, I want to do this. Now you're tripping out on him. You're not even telling them the reason, really. You're just kind of tripping out on him.

You know what I'm saying? You're not even open like, like, hey, I really would like to take a trip, you know? And then once he says, well, we can stack up and do it. Well, I want to take one now. They're doing it. We can't live to somebody else life. It's tough, man. It's tough. It's music.

It's not only us men, it's music, too. They see, like you said on Instagram, they're seeing all this instant gratification everywhere. You know, it's hard for those strong, real relationships to grow. The music sucks these days, juice. The music sucks these days. Like, the, we're not, we're not trying to sound like old niggas. No, we're not. But I'm just saying the music from what I've seen it evolved.

Like it's different, it's not about being old It's different when you've seen the music evolve Him saying what it's evolved into You know, when have you heard somebody Actually genuinely cut an R&B track Like a real like That old feel You know what I'm saying? Like really brought some R&B to the mixture

We do say it's missing it every day But then there are dope artists that have a great tone Like a Givion or something that will give you those Reminiscence but that old R&B feels gone Partially Which is what we're talking about a little bit The love frequency, not to sound like fucking ditty, Jesus Christ. Maybe that's the problem.

The love frequency is missing in a sense. So you're answering it pretty much yourself. The love frequency is gone. It's not around, you know, so people don't even know how to even, it's not being spread. That's not the main thing that they're teaching. No, they teach motherfuckers is going to be ratchet. And to come up.

And to come up and to get yours, you know, whether you got to, and if you got to step on people to get there, do it. And we need the balance. We need the balance. We need both sides. Yes, we do. Hey, man. Structure and balance is key.

Yeah. I struggle with that shit every day. I'm struggling with every day. What do you struggle with? Struggling between being an enlightened nigger and a nigger. Because here I am trying to tell you to love women more and not be so harsh on them. But then it's like, I've done shit too. I love them.

But it's like we have to just shine light on that shit. I love them. No, I know. I love them to death. I love women. I have women around. That was the wrong word to say. Have women around me all the time.

I love them to death. You know, and like I say. I've had, shit, I won't even speak on no names, but some of the chicks that I've roasted, man, shit, they didn't send to the grapevine. Hey, tell Sharp I think he's fine and I want to fuck. So I want to- I'm just keeping it real with you, dog.

We're going to throw it out there, like just so some people can get some fucking clarity of what's really going on here. Sharp loves one where you brought me somewhere. Hold on. All right, me personally, my mother died when I was a few months old. I'm very curious, did you have both of your parents going on? No, just my mom.

Wow. Were you guys like best friends? Yeah, we were to a point, yeah, for sure. You know, for me, it felt like my mom was more like, as I got a little older, like, kind of like a sister, you know, kind of fucked up. But you know what I'm saying? I guess you got to find that within, you know, your parent.

You got to find something, you know what I'm saying, to connect with them. And I didn't feel like it was a parent aspect. I felt more like it was like my older sister. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to her. For me, I'm just always trying to,

I feel like my mission is to get back to that place that I'm missing that I never had. Yeah. That motherly love. Yeah. Yeah. That's the place I'm trying to get to. So that's why these days I'm so cautious and aware of the trauma that I've caused to women. And again, I said the wrong word.

He loves women. I'm sorry about that. I do. I do. That's not what I mean, guys. I love women. I just, listen, man, I just try to tell them what's good. Not what they want to hear for right now.

Like, I want to tell you what you need. to hear. I would want somebody to do that to me. I'm only giving you what I would want somebody to give me. Like, I feel like that's the way it goes. Give me what I need. Not what I want to hear. Because probably what I want ain't going to

do shit for me and it's going to keep me in a fucked up mindset anyway. Oh shit, I wanted to say something. That's too much fucking words and talking about too much for other people. I'll say it down. I'll say anyway. Do you like that fresh and fit podcast? Do you think that shit is kind of weird? Do you think they kind of pray

women a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. My shit be genuine. Like, man, listen, and for people to know, I don't come in to purposely get into it with a chick. If she says something that I disagree with or I feel like, hey, I'm only telling you that shit ain't right nine times out of ten from experience.

I'm not a young kid. So I'm well-traveled, well-experienced. You know what I'm saying? When it just comes to life, maybe not being a fucking multimillionaire, They're maybe not fucking on a Fortune 500 business, but I'm well experienced in life. So when I hear something that's, hey, I've probably traveled down that road

or have been around people that are like that. Here, I don't think this is the way you should, hey, move like this. Nobody wants to accept knowledge anymore, man. They take it. You can give people knowledge. If they can't spend it right now at the mall, if they can't go on their car and listen to it,

they don't want it. They put it in a closet and they let it collect dust. Opposed it, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I hate when people say they don't want to learn or have too much, they don't want to learn. I learn every day. You got to learn every day to your dead. Every day.

You learn every day to your dead. You have to. The people that shut it off. I hate when people shut it off. Yeah, all walks of life, juice. You got to learn from all walks of life. Whether we never, if we pass, if we're passing paths, I feel like it's a reason. It's never just because you have to pull the message out of it.

You know? And I feel like that's where a lot of people should get. smarter, even chicks, pull the message out of what I'm saying. Fuck me. Fuck who I am. Fuck what I look like. Fuck what I'm wearing. It doesn't matter.

Pull the message out of it. And I promise you, you're going to feel 10 times better about being you when you can take things like that throwing your own melting pot and apply it. That's real, man. We're supposed to learn. It's like, fuck, I'm not supposed to tell her nothing because she's pretty. I've had many pretty bitches, bro. And some of them be pretty bums.

So that part doesn't even matter, you know? I don't look at it as prettiness. I look at it as like, man, if you're an idiot, you're a fucking idiot. And you got to say it. You got it. You got to say it. If I'm being fucking dumb, I'd want to shake to him like, Sharp, that ain't right. Hart will tell me why it's not right.

Well, this is how it goes. But for you, I want to dive enough of me, man, because I see where you're trying to go down this rabbit hole. We can go down it for hours. Oh, God. What were some of your earlier, what were some of your influence? this early off of music. notorious, B.I.G. Yeah, I got him tattooed right here.

Biggie was like the first real nigger from Brooklyn to kind of change what it means to be flashy. Like he brought the flash to the rap in New York. Like, you've never seen the nigga drive around those cars or trying to have those, the Jesus pieces. You never seen that

or dressing in that style. So you kind of put that style on the map. And that's the kind of error that I grew up seeing my older cousins and uncles listened to so I got influenced by that all the music they had I used to steal their tapes go listen

steal their cities go listen what is Wu-Tang clan they used to have like all you know what I mean like that's all right that's where I grew up when if I didn't have my uncles my cousins to show me like music

and culture I don't know what I would have you know what I would have you know what you think it'd be I don't know because growing up I was confused boy I didn't get adopted all seven oh so you would uh I was always at a state of survival

my whole life. I didn't know that growing up, but that's how I live. You know what I mean? Always has tear survival, man. So you got adopted. You got adopted.

Would you get adopted by... Thank God my grandparents. Thank God my grandparents. Thank God my family member because it could have been. Yeah. Thank God my grandparents. So my mom's side.

But I don't know who my dad is. I don't know who that niggas. No one knows who he is. I wish I had a name or some shit. Damn. He probably the reason why have this fucking beard and shit, you know. That's crazy, man.

But, yeah, that's so, if I'm my uncles and my cousins and hip hop, I'd probably be a lost-ass boy. I'm so thankful. I'm the longest beard I've ever seen. Hopefully. Nah, but one day. That's got to be, that's crazy.

Yeah, I got to keep it tough these shit. Damn, bro. Like a weapon. Pull that motherfucker off and just bowing it back on and get moving. It gets in the way, so I'll just keep it away. But I love it. I keep it with me.

It keeps me, I don't know, I'm grounded in the sense. You must be mixed with something, because that motherfucker's long. Yeah. You ain't just full a nigga. You're something else. I think part of me not knowing that also keeps me alive too. Right.

Because it keeps me missing something, which is wanting something, which is kind of torture. Damn, I like torture. You're laughing. I'm fucking crazy. I have torture anyway. That's fucked up, but yeah. So you don't even know, you don't even know what race he is. You don't know.

No, they claim he's just somebody in Brownsville. And no one knows. And by the time that I found out that my great-grandma, knew she had had dementia. Yeah. So she couldn't tell me a goddamn thing. And then my Aunt Marie probably knows, but she'd be acting like she don't know, but she don't know.

So what's whatever? I don't know. I feel like for nobody to know, and then you feel like somebody does and they're acting like they're just trying to get over that too. I had to get over that too. Or just believe it. I had to believe everybody.

That would piss me off a little bit, though. Like, Monty, like you know, like you know my mom. isn't my mom's gone I don't have I'll never see her again you know I got a dad and you're not even gonna tell me who he is yeah I always felt like there was more closure growing up but actually I had a little closer it was just I had to learn yeah feel like you bleed it through your music hell yeah that's why I named the album love without all conditions yeah and on the last track called mindful I secretly recorded my grandma and she's like telling me for the first time a full story about my mom and how I got adopted and how she died, the night she died.

So for the first time that I heard some of those stories and things, and that she used to do drugs also with my grandfather. So for the first time I heard those things, I recorded it and I put on the album so yeah, I could all experience it with me kind of for the first time. And surprisingly, one of the biggest responses I got from the album is mindful made me cry. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So yeah, bleeding through the music, that's all I got.

That's all we can do. And my artist is all it is. I don't got nothing. I was going to come here in shorts that I wore for the last three days and the same shirt I had them for two days. I bleed through the music, bro. Have you been making music the last couple days as well? Is that why you haven't wanted to change your time?

No, nigga. I've been in Israel and Palestine for the last three days. Mentally. Yeah. Been mentally there. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of movies and stuff you like?

I see some of your movies. music's influence behind that as well. Yeah, Stanley Kubrick, shout to him, George Romero, zombie shit. What's said that 2001's Space Odyssey and 3001. Yeah, 2001 Space Odyssey is the film. And Stanley Kubick is just like one of those dudes that can visually, audio, just capturing so many different ways.

The way he shoots things, his perspectives are just fucking mind-bottling. So we had this interesting acid trip one day at the 3rd. trap called the palace back in a flat bush and I was selling acid there at the time and I used to like say average hit you take one hit you're good if you take three hits you're out of there so I used to tell people I'm selling them one hit give them three so every time someone will come to me they go out of here and they'll come back like I had the most profound shit ever because I didn't want them to just have a regular one-dose strip I'm fucked up sorry so anyway you fucked up giving them this as well I

I know you were fucked up for it. But I'm saying, were you fucked up doing this? Like, man, fuck it, man. You want to get it faded like me? Nah, it was always a good, sober-minded businessman at times. So one day we were all in the crib, and we took too much of that fucking liquid. Shout out to the Portland Liquid at the time was from Portland. And we took this fucking Portland liquid.

And we watched Clockwork Orange, another Stanley Kubrick film. And we tripped fucking balls. And it was one of the best experience and those intense experiences. I ever had in my life watching that movie. So that kind of started that whole 2001 thing. Like that day, that trip solidified Stanley Kubick and acid in our friendship or some shit. And then later on,

like I said, we have this group called the Beast Coast. We formed a mini group in that with flat with Zimes and unachievers and we called it Clockwork Indigo, the Indigo for Indigo children and the clockwork for the Stanley Kubrick movie. Tell me about that collab. Like how y'all came together on that one? What's got? You look like you did ask

Marlow, you tell the story I wish everybody can see this dude This dude look like he does A lot of ass Yeah Oh Lord At their acid Yeah and then we had to take the acid

Because he Wow Test the bluff yeah Yeah The cop test our bluff So we had to take the ass on tour Yeah So you're sitting there eating them

Yeah It happens It happens It happens Did you guys get out of the mixture of it? Oh, of course. Always get out of the mixture for the most part. No, I'm saying.

Like, y'all didn't start tripping balls in front of them, did you? Oh, no, no, no. It takes an hour to set in. At least an hour to set in. So you're like, all right, man, you're done? We got to go. Yeah, it takes an hour to set in. So to touch a little bit on the clockwork indigo thing.

So the unachievers are ESA goal, also known as Marlin Dash. Dash stands for drug addicted soul hunters. Remember, I was telling you, we love sneakers back. in the day so soul hunters sneaker hunter whatever yeah and AK the savior and a flap of zombies that's um cloudwork indigo we all grew up in Flatbush literally together our whole lives and um me and isa from london chiefers we were the first ones to do the psychedelics in our friend group and um it was a time when everybody looked at that's crazy and then next thing you know we had gangsters doing shrimps in Flatwich um but we had to kind of break that barrier and when we started

Breaking to bury everyone kind of like was like, okay, I'm not scared to do this. Let's have fun. Let's push our limits. Let's push our minds. Let's have fun with this. That's kind of what we thought we were doing, pushing our minds. It was like a science experiment. How much ads can we take today and where can we go?

How can we like leave our bodies? Where can we go type dumb shit? I don't know. Bro, what the fuck? Like why? Do you want to leave your body? Do you know you can get somebody can come and steal? We were kids.

We were kids. You're going to leave your body? Somebody can come to spill it. Exactly. Like you're not protected. And you try to just. spiritual shit, you can't get get caught up.

Fuck around. End up on somebody's island. Exactly. I don't wake up. No, let me stop. You are here to say island. This nigga said island. You know I'm going to think about the

Epstein Island. And then, you know, I'm going to think about the fucked up island boys. He said it. No, he said it. I might have thought it, but you said it. I was like, you fuck around, wake up on an island, bro.

Yeah, but. You don't want to be there. We, I don't know. We thought we were superheroes. We had, we were manifesting things left and right. that was another weird thing like we were just like

today this is going to happen we're going to see this person here I'm going to meet you here we used to like talk without we used to meet up without connecting on the phone like me and Issa like we just manifest money just manifest opportunities

this was just a really interesting time of life we were like 17 18 just experimenting with these psychedelics experimenting with self love and manifestation and I remember one day we said If the Giants could win this Super Bowl, our lives are going to change

and we're going to fucking get out of this fucked up situation that we're in. And the Giants won that fucking Super Bowl. What do you feel like them winning got you out of the hole? Yeah, because we were so like buffed up on manifestation and magic and, you know, that free spirit.

Yeah, yeah. And we were just like connected that to that. There's no coincidences. We said the Giants going to win this fucking year. We didn't win the Super only fucking won. I swear, man. You probably lived late 60s, 70s. You were already a grown adult.

Because you definitely are like that old-fashioned hippie. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you don't believe in it. That's what they're saying. Like you remind me of like that old, like that real, like, come on, you want to take a trip? You would be, you was the man at Woodstock. You know what I'm saying?

The man of Worcestack, the man in Flapush. You've been around before, but. And beyond. Yeah. That's live, man. Like, for you and the music, like when do you feel like it started to really take off for you?

Well, let's tell the story. Let's tell the story. Yeah. I'm curious to know that. Um, so I know now that this movement and what we got is unique. What we're doing is different for people from Flatwich.

That's why it's so weird. I say, you know what? I want to become a rapper. I want to make music. So I'm like, Meach, you trying to do this shit too? He's like, all right. Eric already has been making music. He's been making beats already since, like, he was 13.

Like, he's been doing this. So we had at least a professional, or he wouldn't call us a professional thing, but to me he was Kanye West. We had Kanye West in our corner. All we had to do was learn. so we learned for like two years just writing and practicing and we released maybe two songs

sharp on our Tumblr and maybe one feature for Eric and we shot one music video and after that first music video we instantly had a million views and Lana Del Rey was like I love flappered zombies and then the vice came to my chap house

and yeah that's how it happened instantly Slow it down yeah run it right right because I want to know why he'd led up to the vice coming and hitting the dough. You know? Talk about the video? It's just I told some of the story so much.

I'm trying to get through it. All right. This nigga said talk about the t-shirt. All right. So. All right. You right, car. You right, car.

My bad, car. My back, car. I like them. They all come out to play. I notice. All right, so this amazing-ass fucking logo, this flapazami logo, we called the OG logo, right?

That was our mom. movement. Before the actual like rap blew off, me and Meach printed these fucking flabazami shirts and we sold them in the hood on some sell the seeds out your trunk type shit. So we were selling push in the movement already. Um, so in this music video, um, there's like, I bring pounds of weed. I bring tons of waffles. We bring acid. We got the dye hair. You got the gold things or whatever. And this is like I said, it's the first time someone's seen this shit really in a music video and from some niggas. From some niggas from

the East Coast in Flatwich. That's different as fun. This was 2012 the beginning of 2012, literally when we did this. So that's kind of why Vice was knocking at the door. Why people were like, what the fuck is going on? Who are these niggas? What the fuck is going on in Flatbush Avenue right now?

Because this is not what we thought was happening here in Flatbush. This doesn't correspond with baggy-ass jeans and Tim's. You know what I mean? even though we still wore those but it don't correspond They say it's a little rough area Yeah

They say it's rough up there Yeah and um You know we started just getting cosigned Not really cosines Because a thing was still scared of us But we started getting a little Co-Cosigns from people Like Londer Ray was like the first one

And um Rest in peace A-Sab yams Um He's been one of our friends since before the music I used to call him up and rap to him Before any of this shit and be like, oh, he answers that fire. He used to have the radio station.

He used to make the mixtape. So that was one of my good friends, East Side Stevie. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So we also had ASAP backing two back in the day. We did this dope-ass very cold bath salts in 2012. That was a good thing. Were you smoking bath salts, bro?

No. Because there are people that were. And you don't see my kids. You wouldn't mind like fucking out and took some trips. No, that's why. I'm trying to let you know. Psychedelics are not drugs. Psychedelics are, you know, more earthly.

Shrooms are from the earth, you know what I mean? Other than the vice trying to get in your business, was there anybody else that felt like you were promoting the use of LSD? Everybody was confused and thought we're promoting LSD. Are you typed in LSD back in those times? Our picture would pop up. Wow. Yeah.

Literally. And it didn't stop. anything with the success, obviously. Niggas weren't, rappers were scared to work with us, but companies and organizations loved us. We had a babe collab. We had a Stussy collab.

Ooh. Two major brands. Yeah. Off the dribble. Yeah. Went to Japan, shut it down. Huh? What do you do for the Babe Collab?

So for the Babe, New York collab, we turned the Babin' ape to Biggie Smalls. We put the Jesus piece on them in the crown with the Versacees. Which I've seen that. Yeah. That's a very popular t-shirt.

Yeah. Hell yeah. But, you know. You said you did for Stozy as well? Yeah, Stozy was first and then, babe. Stozy was the shit. Yeah, Stozy was first and then, babe. What'd you do for Stozy?

Zombie logo with a little hippie flare to it with the piece on in the back. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you feel like rappers were afraid to work with you? Because it was different and it was scary. But shout to a nigga like the Riza on that first, when that, like, first year put us on his soundtrack for the Iron You know, shout to Smoked is a, you know, he took us on our first tour.

Fuck with Smoke. I've actually interviewed Smoke. Yeah. He took us on our first tour. He's the man. And that dude can rap, man. He put out that last project. And like you said, like, it's all like trippy, psychedelic shit.

Like, even like his visualizer, like, it's just all a melting pot. And you just see people popping out of it. It's just. Smoker's club. It's that vibe. It's that vibe, man. It's definitely different. That's my own geez.

Man. I love Smoke. He's a lot. He's the first one to take a chance on us and put us in that road and put us on that stage. Another funny story. We got booed one time

opening up for Slaughterhouse at Best Buy Theater. Yeah, we got booed one time opening up for Slaughter House. We weren't supposed to be on this show, but they needed a favor. And we had just came off of a hot streak selling out all across the fucking world

and we come back to this fucking shitty as New York show to open up a slaughterhouse and yeah we got booed and this was early on in our career

and we just fucking took that shit and wrapped through it It's got to be fucked up though right It made the best of it To come back

like to the city Yeah It was fucked up And get booed in the city Mm-hmm It was fucked up You know And then a year later

We sold out that same venue You bet you got a laugh A chuckle out of that one Didn't you? I had to I had to But yeah Yeah

It was good That's dumb but it's got to be fucked up because you're going to clear across the world. Everybody's fucking with you. Coming off this high, not just acid eye, but just comes in this high, man, this euphoric feeling, you know, to come back and to be booed opening up for Slaughterhouse. But we knew it was weird. It was our crowd. It was like, all right, well, people need us.

We'll show up. But, I mean, you never really know if it's your, you don't know if it's your crowd or not if you don't perform. Like if you don't go up there and see. Because like you said, you've done some shows, you know, and the crowd rocked with you that you didn't even expect. So I guess it's a gamble all the way around. It is. And then after hearing everybody say,

oh, no, that's how it is with those I'm and then Joe Button fans. I felt better. I was like, oh, okay. I knew it wasn't, I knew I didn't suck that. No. You had, uh, you did a cover of your beautiful. What made you do a version of that song specifically? Um, one of my favorite songs growing up

as a kid and I really love acoustic music. I love John Mayor. I love Jason Moraz. I love shit like that. So I practice a couple songs. I practice some John Mayer. I practice some Stevie Wonder. I practice some James Blunt.

I practice some Jason Maraz. But the, you're beautiful was the one I thought sounded the best. And it also resonated with life right now, with love for me right now in a sense. So that's, it just, I won my heart. So that's why I picked that one. You plan on doing any more covers like that? Everyone keeps telling me I should be the cover king at this point. But I don't know, I'm thinking about it.

Could be your car. Hey man, it could be, it's a new lane. You know, you seem like you like to jump into new ventures, you know. So I feel like you really. People say that I'm a singer. I just, I need more, you know, practice. And this was the stepping stone to get into that world. Yeah.

Got anything on your mind, anybody that you feel like? I think I can do that just a little bit better. Just a little bit, you know? You got that vibe about you. Like, if you know you can do a little better, you're going to do it. You're going to say it. See, you're going to be open about it. Come on.

Don't hide. As far as singing? As far as singing? Nah. I don't know about that. As far as rapping, I think flabby zombies, including myself, is top three hip-hop groups of the last decade of generation off top. I know that.

And I think we're the best. I know that. But as far as singing, I don't look at it like that. I'm just trying to change moves and feelings. I ain't trying to compete with these Army niggas.

I can't dance. Let's think about some of the people that are singing today. And I'm not talking about everybody, but let's just think about some of the, man, it's auto-tuned everything. And I love auto-tuned. I love the-

Okay, sharp. Okay, sharp, here we go. Let's go. Come on, let's go. Here we go. I do not fuck with autotune like that, especially with singing, and that is partially why I had to pick a song

like, you're beautiful, because you have to really show your vocal tunes. There ain't no fucking auto tune on there. There's barely a fucking reverb on the bitch. So, yeah, I don't fuck with the auto tune shit like that. And I don't fuck with the fuck bitches shit like that on the R&B records because it's not the love frequency. So even though your beautiful is an R&B, it's still a love frequency

and it's showing love without conditions. So, yeah. So you say if you can sing, but you're like, I don't know if I could take it. Like you just knew you could do this one. I didn't know I could do that one. And I didn't want to do what these other niggas do, like you said. I don't want to do it all the tune shit.

Right. You know what I feel like that's what's kind of watered it down to who sings these days. Man, we might need you, man. You might be our savior. But the reason why I can't say names because sharp, I'd be in this little-ass box, bro. Yeah. Like, I listen to, like, Cleo Soul and shit. I don't pay attention to nobody.

I'm happy I found who Givion was. I just now start listening to Frank Ocean two years ago. It's not a diss to anybody. It's just I be in my own world. I like Givion. I like Givion. I like Frank Ocean. You know, man, talented people.

Amazing. Very talented. Amazing. Did you work with them? Hell yeah. Hell fucking yeah. Well, they told you like, man, look, Jews, we need you to sing on this man. I'll sing.

I'll sing and they can write it. I don't give a fuck. But rapping, I'll, no, I'm writing my own shit. But singing, I'm open anything. Anything. Do you remember the first time you guys performed together as Flatbush zombies. Oh.

First show. Yeah, you got to, we're going back in that time. What's the name of that venue? South Paul, legendary venue in Brooklyn. South Paul, we were the last show at South Paul. They made us run back Thug Waffle, which was our first single

in that video I was telling you guys about, we made us run that back about five times because we barely had any songs. We probably performed like two other songs that night. So we retired the legendary venue South Paul. For some reason, Foxy Brown got word that we was there.

She pulled up, playing Pat pulled up. My baby mama was there, but yeah, my baby mom was there. The whole hood was there. Niggas that I went to school with that didn't even know fuck with me like that was there. Like everyone was there. And it was a legendary night and then we took the Dolovan back home. That was it for it.

It was beautiful. Doug Waffle five times. It was like niggas in Paris out there. No, ass it? No, I don't think so. I was just. high of life I gotta ask you this one

because I gotta know because I know you you go on trips you know has there ever been a time where you pack too much luggage and what I am being in the show and had to do a show

and what I mean by that is you probably did a little too much now you're up on stage and you kind of like whoa no you ain't never like trip the fuck out like whoa

hold on this too much I remember we forced this nigga and all his homies to do ass at the LA show back our first LA show in Halloween we did. And I wasn't baby steps either

but I wasn't too high enough ever the smoke dizzotor we did on acid we wasn't too high at all and these micros these micros again every day I've performed on that proff tour I started to settle for like four of these bitches just to just to wet it up but yeah

yeah so you haven't had no problem no problem shit I'm I vibe up I don't even I don't really know what a bad trip is. And I don't force myself to overdo it either.

Because I know what that's like too. Are there something that you don't remember? Everything, because everything is like one big trip. I literally, that's why you're telling me to say, because I don't remember shit, you tell me, it was on like, picking up.

There's like a whole part of my life, I don't remember. Like literally, how many times I would hang out with you like, oh shit, I did that? we did that I did that yeah yeah

yeah so I have I have my memory blank my memory's faint it's bad yeah remember the sugar cubes yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah good sugar cubes yeah yeah you never fucked with

I didn't like it they ain't like it strong some shit let me tell you some let me tell you something bro

and I'm gonna be honest some shit's not I'll toy case Bro, some shit's just not for niggas. I'll toy cases. Some shit is not for niggas, yes. Right. Yes.

I mean, fuck. Mm-hmm. I still try to learn at this day. I don't like to push anything on anybody. Yeah. I got to ask, man. Like, do you even, do you even remember your career? Yeah.

I remember. Like, do you? I just, it's just some things are faint. Some things is just hard to remember all the details. Yeah. I spent a lot of, Um, time on the road, like, like, we sold a lot of tickets. I think we've been on like four worldwide sold out tours, bro, from 2012 until COVID.

Right. Like, um, so I spent 75% of the time on the road. Yeah. So it's just like, you know, every day, I'm just so used to being on the road and every day and just like, every day is a new day. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I got spent so much time instead of tape. I took in a lot, but I was just like, workhorse vibe. And I'm happy that, like, show, like, COVID.

would happen for me to take a step back and be home and, like, really take things in. I was always, like, in this work mode kind of stage. It's not always good to do that. I mean, it's not. And like I said, you've obviously made it, man. You know, one of the top groups, you know, I just wanted to know, do you even, like, you remember some of the shit, yeah, but do you, like, just remember even taking them trips, seeing different things over, just going around the world, man, them are experiences.

You know what I'm saying? They mean just you going and doing shows, you know, that shit's a part of your life. I had to, yeah, I had to slow down and take it in and start taking more walks before shows and shit like that. You feel like COVID's what like, like kind of, do you feel like it's slowed you guys down? Like, or do you feel like, you know, it's not slowed us down, just open us up. Yeah. The small break is good, but also open us up to more of ourselves, which is what's needed when you're in a marriage. I call them marriage because it's a group.

I mean, you guys have known each other for a long-ass time, man. What's made you want to get on your own project? I think all of us have a certain message that we want to get across, and sometimes it's hard to do that all in the same song. And we've been doing it all for so long. We deserve our own Spotify's and our own YouTube pages and our own videos and our own albums. So, like, even though Meach's on my album,

Meach's album is called Gothic luxury And it's a very more darker undertone My house It's not because you and Meach and you know what I'm saying? You guys have any type of issues or anything to feel like Well Since we got issues maybe it's time for us to part ways You know?

Nah Not there's no issues it's just Meach put his album on first And I put my album out Eric didn't put his out yet We all had to have our moments We all gotta shine You all gotta have our message first

And then we'll get back to Group shit For we my last question that I want to know like what's the overall and I know you got a good answer for me and I'm sure the viewers want to know like what's the overall message that you as juice want to put out you know besides flat bush you're saying and just leaving that to the side for a second and letting that on ice what message do you want the people like what are you trying to teach um love yourself please be kind to yourself um um you're every day is hard. We're all going through. We're all struggling. But we can't be so hard on ourselves. Like you said, stop.

The smell is going on. Take in everything. It's okay to be different. It's okay to be yourself. It's okay to not be cool. It's okay to not have everything. It's okay to want things. It's okay to get there when you get there.

Everything doesn't happen for everybody as fast. Everybody has their own story. God has his own plan for you. I just want each other to start loving unconditionally non-transactional. I make sure that everything I do is non-transactional. I make sure the love that I give non-transactional. That's what I want you guys to understand. Love is non-transactional, and I want you guys to love yourselves at that.

I'm not just talking about other people and how you give a people. And loving yourself isn't just saying that you love yourself. Loving yourself is taking the time to be self-discipline, to set goals for yourself and abide by them and rules, man. and setting boundaries for yourself and other people. And it's an everyday struggle doing it. And I know it's hard because I'm trying every day too. But I just want you guys to know that no matter what it looks like I have or what I got,

I'm just like y'all. And I don't want you guys to take this shit serious because this life is all we have, our one life. And we're lucky as much as I hate America. We're blessed to be in America and have, you know, kind of freedom to do certain things. And just to be amongst people of all kinds and not be at war, like the places. we spoke of earlier. And so let's take that time. Get off the fucking phone like Sharp's been saying.

You know, black out the noise. What is it going to take for us as a people and ourselves to grow? Sometimes turn the TV off and just getting tuned with yourself. Yeah. Just sit back sometimes. Like me personally, I like to sit like in the backyard or something under the trees. Smoke, get grounded. Get grounded.

Get grounded, man. Put your feet in the dirt paws. Yeah. Get grounded, man. That's really all I try to say. And don't be scared to be different. like I said, push the limits. Don't buy by the rules, make your own rules, and that's what we do.

Well, I want you to know, I appreciate you for coming through, man. And me and you, we definitely will have to party some time and hang out. Please do. Most definitely. And I love that, you know what I'm saying? You came through and you drop some knowledge on us. You let us know who you are, where you're coming from and where you're headed. That to me, like I said always, man, it always makes for a perfect interview.

It didn't even an interview. It's more of a just a good. good conversation. Thank you. You ever want to come back and come sit down with me, man. Hey, man, love to have you. I'm here if you guys need a weird nigga. We got a couple of them to work here. Don't want to know. The Sharp Tank. No joke. Sharpest, coolest podcast in the world. Hey, Don't know. Don't, do me a favor. And shoot us out the motherfucking chill.