No Jumper - Jim Jones & Juelz Santana on Dipset's Influence, Takeoff, Kanye, Drill Music & More

Episode Date: November 28, 2022

Happy birthday Adam22! Happy Thanksgiving! For the occasion, we have one of the best and most delightful conversations ever with #JimJones and #JuelzSantana, who graced us with their presence to talk about fashion, longevity in the game, advice to kids on drill music, giving their candid take on current topics, their legendary status in the culture, and much more! ------ 00:00 Intro 0:14 Breaking down the iconic Dipset Supreme shirt + How Jim Jones ushered Supreme into hip hop 3:45 Juelz used to hate the bootleg mixtape game back then but obviously, in retrospect, it made them super famous 5:05 Being from Harlem you always think you're the flyest, tryna outdo each other 5:52 Feeling amazing after almost 25 years in the game, now being on No Jumper, it feels great 6:28 About their lyrics, they never encouraged anybody to do anything, it was their lifestyle 7:50 Did Adam think about selling anything by listening to Dipset? 10:31 "Jim is a certified True legeeeeeeeeend!!" + How Jim got introduced to True Religion 13:35 Adam on Dipset photos old fits still looking fire compared to Joe Budden's 14:40 Jim was rockin Chrome Hearts super early on 2001 21:13 Juelz wanna do a pool celebrity tournament podcast, Lush says "Pooel Santana" 21:58 Jim Jones getting into it at the local gym viral video 23:21 Jim says we don't even know how deep their lingo goes, super technical 24:58 Adam says bring the Mobb Deep "dun" back, Jim says they were going crazy with the "dun" 26:26 "One thouwow is wild, I'm taking that!" - Jim 27:15 "No H***" started in high school, Jim had a whole "Pause Court and No H*** Court" back in the day 28:41 Jim is one of the adlibs goats 30:41 Juelz says they need more credit and recognition on how they influenced the use of samples 31:40 The "Nas is irrelevant" conversation sparked by 21 Savage 36:04 Juelz says it's the same thing for the "best rapper conversation" it's very much generational 38:20 "Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean this rapper ain't saying anything" 39:16 Jim says drill is definitely not dumbed down hip hop and suggests listening way closer coz they're really be rappin 44:06 Dissin in drill is distasteful, media need to stop adding fuel to the fire 50:35 Juelz says label don't have a real bond with these young artists, Juelz wants to be a mentor 53:44 RIP Takeoff, Jim shares heartwarming stories about Takeoff 57:28 Juelz wants to make a Gangsta Grillz mixtape 59:01 Reflecting on Verzuz, Jim confirms Dipset were not prepared at all 1:01:25 Jim says that Verzuz night was still incredible, the energy, the love, the vibe 1:03:28 Zeke calling Juelz a "d*od*o m**get" on a mixtape?? 1:07:38 Juelz started the "A!" craze! 1:10:23 About Kanye, it's always sad to see a brother going through it + Yeezy would not be the same without Ye, Adidas tryna keep selling them is lame, if they're done with Ye they should be done with him altogether 1:14:46 "The freedom of speech is very pricey" - Jim Jones 1:20:11 Mase's deal with Fivio, Jim explains why you can't just call bull if you don't know the whole story, when you come from nothing you can't be judged for signing any deal. No one ever really knows the ins and outs of any deals 1:24:33 Same for some producers complaining they got the shorthand of the stick in some situations, when most of them were ready to sell a beat for $500 1:25:46 Artist development is not even a thing anymore 1:26:24 Jim advice rappers to make sure they read their contracts, sign if it's a good fit for them at that moment, and if you do sign, stand on it, don't act like a B**TCHHHHH on social media after the fact 1:28:50 Juelz read a lot while he was in jail, about marketing and branding ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And I'm in here today on Saturday afternoon, me and my boy Lushwan. Come on. And we're talking to the two of our favorite rappers, favorite hip-hop personalities of all time. Duel Santana and Jim Jones are in the building. This is very, very legendary. As you might be able to tell, because I'm rocking the appropriate shirt for the occasion. Yeah, you did that.

You did that. Very pricey. You know, if I'm going to have, I've had this in my closet for like five years. And I bust it out from time to time, but it's like, if I'm not going to wear it today, when am I going to wear it? I mean, well, you know, if all. things go bad for you, you can always sell it. A couple dollars. Yeah.

And I'll get you the new version, the ICFMF train I did, oh, I mean? So you redid it. You know, I just put the little baby head over me with the bandana. Right. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, kind of spice it up, jazz it up.

Yeah, because he was pointing this out earlier is that you guys ushered Supreme into hip-hop, right? Jim, Jim, allegedly- It's a fact, it's documented. Allegedly. On wax, you made the statement. I'm the first rapper in this Supreme shit.

It's right there, though. Yeah, there it is. It's the shirt. It's right there. We had no idea who they was. They just had the bag and we needed their bag. How much? Like, there was 16 grand, I believe it was.

Right. They gave it like 15 to 15. I keep saying 16. Yeah, that's a odd number. They ain't, I don't think. Like 15 to pieces. It was something like, it was a nice chunk to just to be getting a call out the blue and I'm somewhere in Harlem, riding around, like, yo, twin, like, Jewel brother, like, yo,

these skateboard kids want to give you all 15 grand a piece to take some pictures. I'm like, we're at, where they're at? So as you can see, we have on white t-shirts, it was just out on the street, my hair wasn't done nothing. Like, this wasn't no photo shoot. I didn't really get the whole, I ain't on front the idea that they did with us wearing a t-shirt and taking a picture of us and putting it on. It's such a simple photo. It was a genius. It was a genius idea. And I mean, that they did. I give Supreme that. They did, you know, they did that. What they were, what, what they did was they knew how influential we were. Of course,

I just wish we knew that fact of it. Right. We did we at the time, we didn't know that and they were allowed to capitalize on us. I don't hold no grudges. I don't think, but you know, I do think we should just be a little bit more. It's not about money for us or y'all owe us nothing. If y'all want to throw us son, you know what it is. We hit me. But I think we should just have a little, even just getting shit, sending us boxes and clothes, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can you get boxes of clothes? I don't know. I, I know, I don't know, I don't. I don't I mean, I ain't going on front. He's taking this to the bodega.

My son and all that. I still dibble and dabble. I ain't going front. I mean, myself, I don't. I'm on my ICFMF shit, though. That's right. Well, how do you, you see, you see, Capo got it on with you all right there? But how do you balance, that's a question in this modern age?

How do you balance, like, getting fresh versus, like, rocking your own shit that is, like, you want to promote it because it's profitable for you to rock it? You got to make your own shit. You got to accessory. This is the thing I didn't understand. I see a lot of these clothing designers and they don't rock. the own shit, I never understood it. I'm not got my own shit too early, but that's no

mean I'm not going, I'm just going to be biased against everybody else. I'm just going to get flog. Right. Every day, like how I get full out. You put a microphone in just a little bit. I mix it all in together. Yeah, you see how we got, this ain't all one thing, we're going to mix it up. Jazz it up, let's see how we do it, but

it's the wave right now, though. Right. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Yeah, man, I just, I really just want to emphasize that, you know, the early 2000s, when I first moved in New York City would a big part of my life. life, Dipset was, and just like going to the fucking corner stores and shit and going to Canal Street and just buying these fucking bootleg mixtapes and having to learn the hard way that

a lot of these mixtapes were fake. Pack him out, he buying bootlegs. There was just songs from other mixtapes combined together with cool cover art. As much as we hated the bootleg game, it did so much for us. Right. I can't. Now I can't complain back then. It was like money out of our pockets.

But we kind of figured, but we made money off the book. Oh, what? We made hell of money. We kind of figured out that how... No, we had the system, but it was like they were stealing from the system. They was robbing the system. It's like casino. Remember they was robbing the tape?

That's what they was calling it. Casino when they were robbing the money that they... Who's stealing the money that we're stealing? Right. So that's how it felt like when the bootleggers, but they were able to get it out, you know, more even to more people. Right. You know, some people wanted to spend the $10 for the tape.

Some people wanted to spend the... a little $5 for the tape. So you always got your, your various people and budgets of people. And it's always going to be like that. Still like that to this day. But you know what the new version of that is the weed game, where as soon as you make something dope, people start ripping off your packaging and everything.

But you can't really do anything about it in the weed game because it's still illegal federally. But the music shit at the time, the labels were just kind of out of it and weren't pursuing this shit. Yeah, I'm sure you got the fake shot. You know, when you're you're hot? You know people going to jack the swag. And they've been doing that with us for years.

It's like as soon as we jump on something because they know, you know what I'm saying? We've always kind of pushed the coach in and always. And that's just a Harlem thing. I mean, me and Jim always talk about that. We've always, being from Harlem, we've always had a nature to kind of like just outdo each other. We always felt like we were the flyers to do.

So with that being said, who do we outdo? Each other, you understand? Because we are the flyers. That's how we felt. And that was a Harlem thing. You understand what I'm saying? So it's like, I've got to get this. shit before Jim got it. Now Jim go get

the next thing. I got to go get something before Jewel's got it. Right. For him on. I mean, and we constantly doing that. We but at the world is kind of seeing all of this, but we just, we're staddling on each other. Really, that's what was going on. You look like you're in a jewelry competition right now at this moment. Technically

no. You got one more. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. You bugging. Stop playing over there. I'm like. You're bugging. Hey, I'm just saying. We we blessed right now, man. I'm just happy, you know what I'm saying? We're in a good space. You know, we, we, we, we, we, what but 20 years almost in this game strong. 25.

To be sitting here with you is a blessing. You know, we, we don't, we don't been through everything. Right. Between me and Capo, you know what I'm saying, and our system, just different. We don't been, seen it. So many come and go. Everything, bro. So to be here, to be, you know, shining, to be blessed, family,

you know what I'm saying, and good spirit, good health, you know, I mean, and just talking to you. It's a blessing, man. Let's have the Bill O'Reilly conversation. Let's do it. Do you look at somebody like me and think, fuck, when this dude was 17, 18 years old, he was having his brain filled with fantastic ideas

about selling cocaine and all of these crazy things that, like, you know, like, and hey, I don't blame me at all because it was probably going to happen either way. But does it ever kind of occur to you like, fuck, I rapped about selling crack a lot? I mean, we never encouraged anybody to do anything. We only was telling our story. Right.

And from the environment we come from, that was all we saw at the time. That was the only option that we had to make money for most of us. We showed people a lifestyle, and the lifestyle was what we were going through. It was like, you seamed it. Like, it was firsthand.

Like, the issues were going on as the music was coming out. Right. You know what I'm saying? No, we probably wasn't selling drugs right then when we were, but we all sold drugs. You know, you see the whole, you know,

the blood culture how that came. I mean, no, we, the, what did they call that? Statue of limitation is way over. Y'all straight. We're good. Y'all straight. You know what I'm saying? If, if, but, yeah, at the end of the day, the blood shit, you seen how that, we was getting

into issues, all these issues that niggas is having. We did this. This was there. This was the, I mean, so you see it, but it wasn't like niggas was just, you know, but like, why didn't you sell crack then? How do you know? I didn't, but I'm, I don't want to, you know, But yeah, the statute of limitations is over.

But why didn't you turn out? Well, because I didn't want to go through the whole whipping process. I snored a lot of coke in my life, and I sold a good amount of coke, too. But I never really thought, like, man, I got to power this shit up and turn it into crack. I heard you talking about it. I figured that was for other people. But I think the real answer to that question is just your environment, too, right? We all kind of, like, become products of our environments.

If I had had somebody really teaching me how to cook crack, maybe I would have taken some of that Coke and turned it into crack. I mean, your lifestyle was different. You came up way different than we did. You came up in New Hampshire. Yeah. Where they make Timberlands. Coke is probably more lucrative. Coke is probably more lucrative in New Hampshire than crack was.

You could definitely make some, I'm sure you know some people who have made some good money out there. I'm going to tell you one of the reasons why I know New Hampshire sold. Timberlands did because I could take $10 off of crack in the city and turn it into $50 in New Hampshire. Right. You're just Syracuse. You turned it to a heart.

So you weren't just contributing to it by rapid. about it. You are also contributed to it by selling it. I don't know what you told me. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. You heard, I could make a triple up off of going to New Hampshire and selling it to people like yourself. It's a short, four, five-hour drive.

Is that far from New Hampshire? Yeah. From the city? About four and a half. Four hours? The train ride is four hours. Yeah. Train ride is four hours.

New Hampshire is a great place. Shout out to everybody from New Hampshire. Shout out to New Hampshire. Definitely. But he, it's further with people. People out there who don't know this, Jim came in equipped with some New Hampshire facts, such as the fact that the Timberland headquarters, I didn't know this, is located in New Hampshire.

Yeah, you got a lot of outlets up there too, so. Nordica sweats was up there with like $60 at top and bottom, and Nautica was real big back in the day, Fas. Nautica was actually like Balenciaga back in the day. Nauti sweats and all that, you know what I mean? Finding that up there was like finding gold. I was wrecking the Nautica back in the day, you feel me? Like Nautica, Tommy Lowe in the 90s, what?

Yes. Yes. Yes, major threads. Come on. Major threads. What's the best fashion trends from back then, though, that we need to bring back that are deserving of a resurgence? I think they don't grow up back so.

They didn't bring back a lot. I don't know one thing. I would like to see there was these jeans called AJ's back in the day. I would like to see how they would bring those back. Hmm. It's crazy because everyone in the dips had such an original style, and y'all are all style icons in different ways. And you could just picture, like, you know,

Cam in the pink pushing the line like that Jewel's in the American flag head to toe Jimmy was the you are the first to wear

on a mainstream level pants that fit clothes that fit form fitting you had the biker swag and all that like you were the first in the Truis and the nudies

and all that the truys Jim is a certified true legend the first the true legend I remember you brought the Trues up

shout out to my My man Slicy, my man, Slicy. Shouts to Slicy, come on. Slicy bring those in the house, like, yo, these $300 jeans, these the new wave. Now, I remember $300 jeans is like $1,000 jeans in 1997, you dig? Or 1998, whatever it was, or 2001, whatever. I lose years at this point, but he brought him in and he was like a little bell bottom at the top, and then he was a little slim. Slim, I was like, man.

He was like, now put these on. This is it. This is that farmer shit. That farmer shit, you need to be wearing. They didn't even know what it was, but sure enough. Everybody else was off the Red Monkeys and the Evizus and all that. He was like, I had never even seen that before. But that goes back to the thing, like we were saying, it's always about, like, you see,

how Capo had his man Slici, so he put him on to something. Then Capo come. He's on it. Everybody like, all right, what's that? He's jacking that. And it'd be the same thing. Now I'm out looking for the next thing. What's that?

It's just like, it's just a horrible thing. A lot of the styles from Harlem is the styles from Harlem, a lot of the shit that we, but we get in front of the camera, so everybody. That's what I say, we just brought it to the game, of course. We ain't sit here and say, yeah, everything was kind of, things was brought to us, you know, maybe on the lower scale from people, like, even like Michael Murray. My man Sloke brought Mike Amari. Everybody was doing ball-gain jeans.

I can't say this. No, first of all, Jewel's, Slow and Bucks was the first thing as I seen with these Micah Merrill jeans. I thought them just was tech jeans because they was just. like the Nike Tech pants. They had a zipper on the side, like the Nike Tech pants. I'm like, yo, what is those? He's like, yo, these new wave, Mike and Mary. They cost like, nah, 100.

I'm cool on nose. I still never brought a pair of those. That's when he was super tight. Jim wasn't going that tight. Jim may never get that's because, you know, Mike first, it was like, that's when it was a duggy kind of like type, but his joints had stretching it.

Right. So it was like, oh, nah, we could do these and still get fresh. Was it weird to like see that happen where like you kind of were taking a risk by wearing tighter pants, but then you've seen people just take it way, Nah, because I'm always, I'm always, one thing I know about us is, you know. Not people, men. Right.

Men, women could do whatever. That's none of our business. Real men took it way too far. But then you see a lot of the people, you know what, who wasn't with it. It's just like everything else, we come with it, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, we set the trends. So when we push something, it's going to get pushed, because if they're doing it, it's, it got to be, you know what I mean? We ain't going to do nothing.

It ain't uncool. I mean, not to us, what I'm saying? So I think over the years, people kind of know that. that and, you know what I'm saying? We look good and what we do, but just know I could put on some shit that another nigga Capo saying, wait yo, we put on some shit that another nigga Mike just can't put on it and it

look kind of, you know what I'm saying? I feel like the true test of time is how your fitpicks age like 10 years later because all this shit from you guys back in the day 20 years ago still looks so fire. And then in comparison, like, it's a frequent meme conversation on Twitter of being like, look at all Joe Bunnan's

old outfits. No offense to him or anything, but like he knows. He had some wild-ass fits. You had the 4-Xs. And I'm sure if we were to really dig in it. Everybody ain't have it. That's why the slogan is. Everybody wasn't fly like that.

They get fly and fly because it's like, hey, it ain't it. We did 4-Xs too. It wasn't about, it's just about. Oh, you were the king. It's almost about the stance and the way you were band-danned. Everybody wore bare, people wore band-dair before me,

but it was the way, it was the lean, the deal. We invented the long, the long t-shirts that came below your knee and all. Like, that was, that started around 14-4. Fifth Street. Fax. Yeah, I was in the, I was on the 4X talls until you, for a fat minute, I ain't going to lie to y'all, but you feel

me. That was a look, but y'all definitely always stayed ahead of the curve and push the line. Like, I just said it the other day, man. Even with Chrome Art. I was doing a rock and roll shit and then my lady was like, oh, you want some rock and roll

shit? This is that high fashion rocker roll shit. This is super. They only got a few, they got a few stores. You got to go to the store. I'd be thinking tank tops in there was $600. What year are we talking about that you first spoke with that? 01. For real?

They had Chrome Arts in 01? 0-1 or 02? Damn, when I read the history of Chrome Hearts, it did say that it's been around forever, but I didn't know that rappers was fucking under that's crazy. Customs during I had. Oh, shit. I made myself just, I bought the wallet chain,

and I bought the pieces individually and had them put it on there. I bought this around that time about, it's about, 15, 15. I remember like 2004, I hop on the fucking train for like the first time ever and there's a kid sitting across from me and his hat is about five fucking sizes too big. And I had never seen anybody do that before besides you guys, like specifically you in videos.

Remember you would be rocking the hat so it would cover your ears and shit? That was the best. It was like 05. Oh five? Yeah, right? What? I'm mad bad with dates. Me too.

I'm sitting up here. I'll be, niggas would be like this. Niggins would be like, yeah. Like, yo, that's why I'm gonna say dates. I'm gonna fucking a beers at all. Like all of a time. If I start saying dates, they're gonna say he's lying because it ain't gonna match up my dates,

but they know what it is. I'm doing an interview, you good? It's there. Right. But was that ever a conscious thing to just like wear the hat big enough that it would cover your ears? I don't know, it was all just,

everything we did was just swag. So when you put it on, it was just how I looked it, and I mean, we just went for it. Even like now, like, like, when we put the scarves over and we made them hoodies, or if I just throw my hoodie like this and put the hat, They're gonna start wearing it.

I may go like this and put the bud bag right here. You know what's just swag? You know what? You're putting it on. You're out here, you know what I mean? What's what we doing? Right. Are there any fashion trends that you don't like

that we should know about the? Besides the tight pants. The skinny's. All that capo, copo is good at that. What's over the line, man? You might go viral. You can't, you can't see,

first of all, you can't see what's over the line. Everybody has their own taste and fashion. There's some things that I won't do that other people will do. There's a lot of things I won't do that other people will do. So what I consider fashion might not, what you could be considered fashion. That's why I like to call a splash instead of fashion. You're hurt. And it's a lot of joints we see other niggas in.

Like, shout out my man, Bloody Osiris. My man Sober Walter, dudes from Harlem, them saying, putting on, like, just modeling. They're killing it right now. But they'd be rocking the high fashion shit with the pants, the boots, this big. They were like Transformers. No, they're killing it, though. They're getting super rich. They're like, some real fashion guards, you heard?

But they come from Harlem and they really, they really come from out of the projects. Like, so I'm proud when I see bloody all over the world. Like when I got to do the off white fashion show in Paris last year, he was on the runway with me and he was giving me pointers on what I need to do because this is what he does and shit like that. So I felt like, it felt good to be like, damn, my young boy is in schooling me to the game right now. Bloody,

his brother, too, he got his brother doing the bloody Dior. You know what I mean? Shout out to them, man. Osir's in every single campaign. Yeah, they got in. You can't miss him in this point.

We just did it. I had to do one way in for the Ossia. That's young copo right there. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy, right? I did a pick like that. Mm-hmm. And I kind of like did that

and he's standing behind me with the hat on like being Capo. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just kind of like, yo, he was looking at the picture. Like, how Copo was standing? He don't smoke so he could add a blunt, but he was like,

That's my nigger though. But all right, it's like my standard of clothing used to always be, and I felt this has kind of gone out the window that I don't want to wear anything that's gonna like massively disadvantage me if I get in a fight. That's why I always felt like I didn't, when people had the big, fucking gauged out ears, just ripped that shit.

I was like somebody's gonna dig their finger in there and rip that shit out, tear my earlobe in half. With the big holes in this. Remember that? I know that probably wasn't cool to y'all, but like that was the cool thing. White boy skateboard, biker type thing, right? I'm glad I missed that.

That was crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, but why are you? You was worried about that? You get into fights a lot? Yeah. Yeah.

But that biker world is this heavy fight game. Yeah, I'm like, pegs and all that. They're stealing pegs and shit. How nice are you with this bike shit? Damn, that was all right, but I was always more of like an entrepreneur. On YouTube, you're going to be popping. You could see some stuff that you'd be like, oh, okay, he did ride a fucking bike for his whole life. But, I mean, I was never like the best pro or whatever.

I started like this BMX website that became like the biggest thing in like 2006 and then that just kind of like became a whole life before this shit. I mean, you'll see him, you gonna be like he get busy. I can pop a wheelie. He's being a little modest man. He could throw down. I'm gonna look you up soon like it off. Now he nice with it.

He nice with it. He got this little thing you pop the wheelie. Me? Yeah. We try to be some of it on the bikes. Because it is like a Harlem thing and especially not with the big bikes. Now they got these, y'all about saying what's the new bikes like the new bikes? All type of bikes are hollow.

What's they called? They're not BMX, What are they called? The big bikes, the fucking the, the, the, um, the, um, the, um, the S E's and all them shit. They just be doing the craziest wheelies and shit. When I used to ride bikes, there was a bike called the elf. The elf?

Hmm. The extra light frame. Okay. Okay. What was your bike, though? I was, I was a mongoose. I had an S&M. I'm telling you what the one was, the bike called $600.

This is the shit you can lift it up with you, with your hand. It had elf on the side of it and shit like that. That was back then. It was a racing bike. This was in the 80s. You guys ever go out to the Mulele's skate park up in the Bronx? Who?

Famous old wooden skate park up there? No, we didn't do the, we didn't get to the skate park. No. It was at the rucker. Yeah, it was at the rucker. We definitely got to the rucker.

There's probably a skate park right there. I played a little handball in my dick. Yeah? Yeah, I was, I was, I always did a cut, like my brothers and all them. I got four of the brothers, or three of the brothers. They all played basketball like come did the, I called them the normal sports.

Right. Like, I would be on the side playing handball. With the little ball, like the actual handball? The little ball is a paddle ball because that's harder. Like, we call that handball out here. The blue ball. But it's like small, though. But in New York, that's just every park has motherfuckers just playing handball.

That's a prison game out here. His whole family is championship bowlers. Yeah, I could bow. His whole family, though, like they really like pro bowlers and shit like that. I get in. I could play pool. I could shoot some pool, too. I'm about to start up a celebrity pool tournament.

Oh, I've thought about that. that honestly before. Come on, let's get in to it. I feel like people like to watch pool. They just want to watch people that they know who it is. Look, you got a whole podcast over a pool game. People talk shit over. It's almost like, you know what it's like? It's like

celebrity boxing. But it's not boxing, but they're playing pool. But that's still pretty entertaining, right? If you have famous people playing pool, they're going to fuck with it. But it's shit talking, too. It's a lot of, I'm saying? So I think that'd be dope. Come on.

Puell Santana, you feel me? You know, the punk god right here. The punstigator. I don't know about that one. All right. Because this is one thing I noticed about Charles is that you guys, like I remember when the video came out, Jim Jones getting into it at the local gym, the L.A. fitness, I believe.

And I was like, damn, you know. To me, like, Jim Jones is, like, royalty. Jim gets into it. Here he is, like, happy to still be at the regular-ass gym. He don't give a fuck. And, you know, gets into a situation or whatever, sneak in behind. behind the desk to grab a charger or something, but that never got resolved?

With LA Fitness? Gosh, I mean, I think it did go. One thing I say, I'm super proud of Jim. Jim has calmed down a lot. He's definitely... I just want to work out, man. I don't go to gyms for no smoke, man. I go to the gym to work out, free my mind.

So, you know, if you see me, if you see me getting into anything in the gym, it wasn't my fault because I ain't in there for that. Yeah, because I always call it getting money and I always got to explain to people that, No, I'm talking about working out. Like, I got to explain it every time I say it. It almost makes me not want to say it, even though I think it's a really good slang.

You in the gym getting money? Yeah, I took that from you. And then, like, when you're around, like, non-dip-set fans, you've got to explain that getting money means working out. Yeah, when you're in the gym. Getting out. Getting money means getting money when you outside of the gym. That's everywhere in gym, too. Right.

But I just like getting money. I was like the metaphor for it. Because it's realistically, like, the better you make yourself look or the better that you feel physically, there is. money that follows behind that in the long run. Well, health as well, so, you know. Yeah. Y'all got your own language, though, and y'all really inspired the vernacular of the entire, like the slang dictionary of the world.

That's y'all. Y'all don't even know the half. Like, when we was coming up in the thick of all the dipset, like, we really had, like, it's kind of crazy because we had like our own language like, me. Squalé, you feel me? Like, yeah. It got way deeper than that. This is what I'm trying to say.

Like, you got it always. It was almost like Spanish. Like it was like, it got real technical. Got to the point to where only maybe three members were what the fuck was going on. Them you're too deep for the other homies and something? You had one that was like the abroad. Like I, you know, everybody kind of know, then it started getting tighter and tighter, tighter and tighter. Like the, I mean, to it got to a point to where I, me and Jim and Cam could be in a circle and Zika and just talking.

Nobody outside of that may know what the fuck you're talking about. I remember. I remember there was a bar where one of y'all used the word doy. And I remember like really digging deep into Google trying to figure out what the fuck doy meant. Cam said that right. Yeah, and I think it meant like dip of the year potentially or something. Like that was like the best explanation I saw, but I never could even like figure it out.

And it's like such an awkward sounding syllable that you never heard before, right? Doi. I ain't hear that one. You don't know what I'm talking about. Probably maybe it's made up. Unless you can talk about a doy when we used to see that shit when we was younger. Adoy. Yeah.

What's a doy? Like, D. Doy. Yeah. It's obvious. I mean, I'm gonna be real with you. I haven't thought about this in probably like 10 years.

It's almost like duh. It's almost like duh, but doi. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No duh. No, doy. That's what I thought it was.

Remember Mobb deep with the done shit? Dun, done. Oh, not. Queen's bring done back. First of all, me and Ken was heavy on a done language. You heard? Everything was done language for a couple of being a kid. What up, Dun, Dun,

it's my done right there. You heard? I'm done. Let me get an elite. Super thun, you heard. I got to the point where I thought they were just making up. They was going crazy, the Dun Dada and all that. They was whaling on that done language, yo.

No, I heard that, you know, they say, done. Even the Wu, Wu Tang had a crazy lingo. Because they were off that dust. Nah, Wu Tang had this crazy lingo. Everybody got their reasons for why they do, I guess, what they do. But, you know what's it? I just think if you're smoking dust that you've got to come up with your own dust language. No, but every neighborhood had their own, had their own lingo.

No matter where you go. Did you live through the dust era? You're too young for that, right? We sold dust through the dust era. Wu-Tang and them used to come to our projects and buy wild dust. That's when Bart Simpson used to be out, I believe it was. And then used to old go up by cam blockers.

Cam block, they used to have wild dust up there. That was definitely a can't. So they used to go through old cam neighborhood and shit like that, bar of dust too and shit like that. Like Wu-Tang used to be in Harlem all the time about that dust. Not saying that they smoked any of it, but... But that was against the rules? You didn't dabble?

No. We don't smoke dust. We smoke weed. We don't, we sell drugs. I had homes used drugs. I'm fucked up off the dust. In the crib for years straight. We're from a different era.

I know a few of my friends that got lost in dust for years too. Like, hit a dust grunt and never came back for years. To be honest, if you smoked weed in L.A. With some essays at any point in your life, you for sure got dusted. Like, whether you wanted to or not. Like, it was a thing. So the Friday joint was kind of real. Oh, one, thou.

Wow. No, that's. in reality to the point where I ain't going to lie and say that. One thou wow is wild. I'm taking that. I'm taking that back to the east. Jim, I've taken so much from you. One thou wild.

One thousand wow funky, baby. Hey. Let me get a light. So let's revisit this though. We're just having the comment. Give me your earliest. Somebody. Give me your earliest recollections of the beginning of no homo,

just because this is a very important thing to us. Okay, there it is. We got to run through the history of no homo and pause and how this evolved. What's your earliest memory of no homo? That's way before us rapping. That's like a Harlem thing like this running through Harlem before anybody before her J&M say pause, all that. That was just going on Harlem since high school.

Right. No homo. Whoa, you're bugging right now. We used to actually bring you up on charges and you could bring the court about some of the shit that was going on and shit like that. Pause court? Y'all had Bos court? Yeah, it was definitely, yeah, it was back then it was in the homo court

and you need a lawyer and all that. Like, yeah, you're going to need some representation because that was nasty what you just said. Can we do that in the office? I think it's a brilliant idea. Do you have no homo court? Sucksie's going to sue us if we do it, yeah. But shit, that's how deep it go back.

That's a high school thing. Right, yeah. Like, was there any, like, phrase that people were using in particular that made you feel like that was essential that you had to be, like, creating a whole new language to call them out? As far as what? Like, just people saying shit that sounded gay?

Oh, I mean, shit, it was no homework. That was it. Like, if you said something that sounded crazy, that's what, that was, that was our response to it. Keep in mind, this was a different time. Right. Right now, you just can't go around slinging that type of terminology. And they might try to try to, dude, Jim, back in the day, cancel you shit like that. Listen to your old-ass shit, you definitely have some bars that it's a good thing that people are, like, paying super close attention.

Yeah. Jim had a faggot ad lib that he was dropping on a pretty consistent basis when he was talking shit. Yeah. Which one is this? He would just say faggots as an ad lib. Oh, oh. Just to let you know, like, he didn't like y'all. Alright, so keep, let's keep it a buck.

I'm from, I am from the 80s with homosexuality and shit like that was looked upon a little bit different. Right. So when I started to rap, it still was a reflection of the 80s. What's going on now wasn't what? what's going on back then. Right. What I was saying was normal in society. It's not normal now.

Am I right for saying it? Maybe not. You dig? But that's just a reflection of what the sign of the times was. I wasn't saying nothing that nobody else wasn't saying coming from back then. For sure.

You understand what I'm saying? So we got to clear things out a little bit nowadays and shit like that. Yeah. Activist on my line and shit like that. It's crazy you would say that in adlib, though, because you like to, In my opinion, one of the ad-lib goats

No, he's the ad-leck king. Like, you feel me? He started, I think, it got to a point. Shout to slick Rick and Tupac for that. Jim definitely, it got to, it was at a point one time where his adlibs was like,

just like. It was part of the record, it's still part of the record, but it was heavy part of the record. Now, now you more, you more on lyrics now. I don't think you concentrate as much on adlibs as you used to.

Back in the day, that shit was like another verse. That shit was a verse inside of It was helping me out. Right? It was a verse inside of a verse. It was a time that I couldn't really test the flow to really

get my balls in. It was just like the adlibs was actually my balls. Oh, the adlet was crazy. Like, yeah, I, so we got it. And the adlibs would rhyme with each other too. But like I said, that's just one another thing that just goes back to Harlem

and that's just naturally being swaggy. Like for him to, you know what I'm saying? Just figure that out. And do that. You know what I'm saying? Going back to, I, we need some more credit for music they're sat nowadays

because I was just listening to the radio even I just heard the Nause record shout out the Nause, he got another dope album you know what I mean? The Drake and 21 Savage record yo using samples the way we used to use them is like the thing everybody

it's the way where Drake went off on that dipset sample I'm talking about from drill he went wild on that dipset sample he went terriaki sake Oh yeah. Now, they went Kawasaki. That album.

Waki. That album was fired. That album is straight fire. Right. Straight fire. That 21 in Drake album. And I'm saying, I'm almost, I'm almost, but I can't say it's better than the future in Drake album. I'm not going to say that.

It's not, but it's right there. It's up there. Bar-wise, though. It's up there. Bar-wise. They did that. They did that on a professional level. I'm going to say that.

They went off. They went off. You ready for the current events question? Yeah, I'm always ready for whatever. Big old controversy. And I'm a shooting bail right out the gate is I don't think 21 Savage meant to offend anybody. And I think he's a respectful dude and that he didn't mean for it to come across a certain way. But the conversation became his nods relevant.

He had this conversation in the car. But it's like you can't even have no opinions out here nowadays. And they're so quick to misconstrue everything you say. Everything you say. Because I don't believe that he was trying to see it in that light. In a malicious way. He's not. He wasn't.

He wasn't saying in the malicious way at all. And I want you to keep saying what you're saying because you're good at articulating, so go ahead. Now, I'm just, you're good, you're going, I don't want to cut you off. Go ahead. I'm just looking at what 21 Savage was saying. I don't think that he meant it as what people were taking it as

and shit like that because in today's society, the younger generation, these kids are very lit out here. And they put lit and relevant in the same thing. when it's two different things to me is what I'm saying, the shit like that, you know what I mean? I think they should have found out what 21's definition of relevant is too. That's why I say, when you ask questions, you gotta be real particular, because he's just talking and people don't know, and we live in a world with people

and we're not saying, Nause is not lit out here, but you understand what I'm saying to the younger generations of what they consider to be lit. He has a right. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? He said, Cam is a very dope artist, but I don't like Cam's album, it's track, talking about to come home with me album. He said this on the radio.

He was bugging. But what I'm saying is it was a stupid album. That was one of the best albums on that character. It was his opinion. And everybody, nobody really, this is the thing I don't like. It's because it was, my thing is. Hey, Cam came back at him too, though. No, no, no. But this is the only thing I don't like because if Nause would have said something about

21, nobody, because they feel like Nause got a right because of who he is. And I feel like they feel like because 21 ain't Nyes, he don't got a right to talk about Nause. And that's the fucked up thing in the world we live in. Because we all have a right to our opinion. Because we all do it every day from the comments we make. Just to somebody comment and saying that he didn't have a right to make that comment. And you comment on his shit. And you understand what I'm saying?

So the world is so fucked up and crazy. It's just like you got to kind of just be like that. The whole reason why people want to jump on that, though, is because they know that the reality is that the young kids and shit don't have enough respect for the generations that came before them. I don't think that 21 is a great example of that, but that is like the sentiment that made that shit go so viral is that people look at those young kids, like they don't have enough respect.

I see 21 give like all the artists that came before him, the legend's shit, like they did he probably all the time. Like he's, he's one of those artists. And I just want to say one thing, like now I's been, now I've been rapping since the barbecue. Yeah. Like when he said I was 12, I want the jail for snuffing Jesus. I want the hell for snuff of Jesus or whatever.

So remember that bar from when I was in high school and we was going crazy about who the fuck, this Nause nigger, this nigger is crazy. And then fast forward to 2022 and that nigger is still busting albums. And that's being relevant to me. You did? You got a fan base that can uphold you for so many years. That shows a lot of relevance. Now in today's society, these kids that consider being lit is a whole other world now.

Nause out here is lit, all these young niggas and all that type of shit. You see Nyes with Meek Mills, or you see Nyes with East G and all these things? No, that's, Nause is a legend. He's an icon, so his shit is considered a little bit different, but I do believe he's super-runner. It's one. It's one. You did?

And I don't think that 21-minute, no different to what I'm just saying. No, they took him out of context. They did. They ran with it. They ran with it. That was an internet run. They did a whole marathon with that one right there. But for the few that are still hit, from.

errors and errors and errors. Like, I don't like a fat Joe. Like, you got to, got hands down. You got to give some people what they deserve. Like you got the Jada kiss. Like, people are still here from errors and errors and errors and we've seen so many come and go. It's hard to still be here in this climate of the music.

Exactly. It's one thing to be lit in this early stage of your career where you just came out and you're putting all this hot music and you're that guy. 21 to his credit has been that guy for damn you're like. It's like now, go to the question of the best rapper when you get into that. That's why it's a lot of technical, especially now in this day, because you got all these South dudes that may not be, like, all right, yes, Eminem is lyrically. But I get into the car and I may listen to GZ more.

A lot of people when I ever. But the 18 year old that was listening at Eminem is not the 18 year old listening to Eminem this year. You dig? This 18 year old is listening to somebody else who would go just as dope as Eminem. Exactly. They listen in their drink. They listen in 21. They listen to a little baby.

They listen to these people. Of course, these are the people that they are going to consider the greatest rap ever because these people are telling their story. So how do you justify? So when you say that, you have to either go through time frames. You can't just go through who's the greatest of a vote.

You can't in some way. But then there's some that's, no, no, you can. There's some that stand at exceptionally well- No, no, no. You can, you can. Exactly. The ones that did, that were able to,

the ones that were able to. The ones that were able to. embody everything. You know what I mean like this shit is just... No, I agree, I agree. I'm talking about like when you're talking about just the relevancy and those type of thing, not the super elite.

The super elite or the super elite. Those are the ones that could make hits, have lyrics, have all these things, and they just embodied it. Whenever they come back out, it's super elite. Exactly. No matter what. Yeah, but the thing is this,

everything you're saying is true, and I agree with that. But y'all have always had, regardless of the style, regardless of the flare, all the extra shit, which is amazing, which helped define who y'all are, regardless of being the first New York rappers

bouncing on the Dirty South tempo and all that shit. Regardless, y'all always kept it bar-heavy, punchline heavy, cadences, syllables. He's a rap nerd. Yeah, yeah, no, I study that shit, you feel me?

And y'all do that. Do you feel like this era nowadays, that's somewhat of a lost art? Because, I mean, it still exists, but you kind of have to dig a little deeper for that. Do you feel like that's, somewhat of a lost art. I mean, I don't think it's so much of a lost art. I actually kind of see it on the resurgence out here. Like, it's starting to come back on heavy as far as people

making music of substance, making music that got bars. But when you come to music, music evolves all the time. It's the same thing I've been saying. Like, it's the age difference. Like, when we were dipset, there were people that were shutting us for the music that we were making because they didn't understand it. But that was who we were. Hold on, hold on, I got to say this. And we got to start because the South, you know, they're very accent-driven. They're very, we got to stop taking this method

that just because you don't understand what somebody's saying, they're not saying nothing. You know what I'm saying? And that's just a proven fact. Now, if you listen to something and say, oh, I don't know what he, do you not know what he's saying? Or is he not saying nothing?

You understand what I'm saying? Because those are two different things because there's a lot of, I listen to certain dudes and you got some time where I did here, but it's time. But then you go there. But then you go to the South and they're singing that shit word for word.

Well, that's why mumble rap is a fucked up term and people shouldn't say mumble rap like that. It's like, niggas be going in, bro. Just because you don't understand what they're saying don't mean they're not saying nothing. Do you look at drill as a dumb-down version of the hip-hop that you grew up on? I don't look at no music as no dumb-down version of-n-down bars in the drill music. I don't know if you listen in it. Oh, I'm in that. Them niggas is dropping bars in that drill music.

It's a different tempo. That's something that we not used to. Duty low. But this has, this D-DOT. Drill music has shouts the ditta. Drill music has brought New York back when it comes to a sound and energy. And these young generation have been keeping us up to the point that we're able to get back in the marketplace as New York as a whole. RIPD.

They lit the fire for our comeback that we're having right now where people can now listen to New York music and start putting in rotation with all the other music and things like that. Like, it's a sound now. There's a lot of older people that don't understand it. Didy Osama. And they fucking with y'all, too. You feel me like? They're off from my hood, sugar hell. That's my hood.

It's a lot of drill rappers in Harlem all through Harlem. All through Harlem. But do you feel comfortable hopping on those beats? Or is that something that- I just did the DJ drama album I did in the beginning of this year. With a lot of younger rappers on there, yeah. It's compelled with younger rappers from all over, but most of them is targeted in New York.

drill rappers and things like that that I have on the Dusty Locaine, Ross Smith, didder, Connie Diamond's. And they can't say nothing to us. Nuff said, shout out of baseball, he's not a drill rapper. But I put, the whole generation of rappers from all over, even in Detroit. Shout out of Peezy. Like, shout to Sala on the West Coast. Shows to Boston.

Vizzo. Like, I captured sounds from all over, but the sound is sonically pretty much the same with the younger generation. You know what I mean? So whether it's drill Whether that Detroit Sand or something Whether that Midwest sound

Like sonically You could kind of mix All them songs together while you're in the club And I feel like they all You have areas Can't answer what you said Where some of them

Yeah, I'm not saying nothing Just like in real rap With bars You have niggas that was trying To really rap But wasn't saying shit They wasn't adding up They wasn't nice

So don't get twisted There's a list of niggas That wasn't saying shit Yeah so at the end of the day You're not talking about nothing You had been doing With Jim's saying You have artists that are, you know, maybe not as good,

but then you have artists that are really saying some shit in that, you know what I'm saying? In that genre. Specific genre. You got to give it up and you got to respect it. Me, it's just like, I look at it like being in the house, listening to oldies and goodies. And I mean, it sounded good, sonically, musically. To me, their music sounds good, sonically. Then the more and more I hear it, I'd be, oh, and they're saying some shit.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's like fool. You got to give it a choice. try. You can't just always be so biased and so negative to or something that you're not accustomed to. You fuck with Ice Spice? Ice Spice.

I'm waiting. Sometimes I like to wait. For me, I like the weight. For me, I like to wait. For me, I like to wait. For me, I like to wait. For me, I like, for me She got a star power too, man. She's very compelling to look at. I'm a dope record. I'm for sure. I'm a munch off rip. I can't even. And I don't mean to pause when you say that. I don't mean the term. She created a terminology. Like, yeah. She got a few factors that's in her corner right now when it comes to

She's actually, he is dope. I just want to see the, I just hate giving people so much at once. And she's already got it, God, I just want to see where it goes, you know what I'm saying? And right now it's just one record. It's super dope. She got the star power, like you said, but right now it's just one record. So me, I always, that for me is never just, I can never give a full opinion or analysis on, you know what I'm saying? You know, maybe next year we see how it goes and where it's sad, then I can give you a full ice spice.

analysis on what she's fire. Wait till the album drops. In New York, she's all over lava cake right now. She's going crazy to that. Because a lot of people didn't expect Cardi to be where she's at. Right. You know what I'm saying? They counter her up for a long time.

Cody's a whole volcano. I see there with Wayne. A lot of people weren't Wayne fans at one point. And Wayne was turning niggas fans day by day with bars at that time when he was doing what he was doing. And now that's like classic lyrical hip-hop shit. Whereas at the time they were treating it like it was some fucking, you know, anti-hip pop shit when Wayne was coming out, you know? But he also converted a lot of people and made

a lot of people realize that the South rapper could be that lyrically. After them squat up, mix tapes, it was a rat. T.I. did that too at that time. T.I. was a, and Luda Chris. was super underrated, even though he was doing a lot of them, you know, Buster rhyme type videos

and records. Luda was going crazy on the bars from start to finish, them kicking and bid, them intros. Luda had some of the illest introses ever on his house. Luda. Luther first rapper brought his own airplane. Super back then, like super years ago.

Before we get off the drill, though, do you guys worry at all about the violence associated with a lot of the New York shit coming out? We worry about violence, period. He's just going to put violence on drill. Hip-hop community is filled up with violence as we can see what's going on. Only thing different about the drill,

it's not adding more violence. Only thing difference is they're just talking about it extremely more and extremely blatant and extreme. That's the only thing they're doing. They're talking about it to a level to where it's like people can't believe it and it's like wow and it's really they you know allegedly they're saying some of these things

are really happening. You know what I'm saying? And the dissing the dead shit too though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I don't cause very distasteful. Let's just say that. It's very distasteful but that's not the reason for the violence. It's violence going all over the small fucker. You know what I'm saying? But it's getting

amplified through the music too because There's this thing going on right now called the Nadi Bap that I don't know if you heard about. But it's like a dance that's like mocking some kid who got killed by staff. We just just keep day old, their young kids, like I said, they, they all, we need to stop antagonizing that period. Because, you know what I mean? Like, just, just, just, you know what I'm saying? The social media and all these devices are very, uh, these are the media, bro. It's not them.

It's so much, it's so, because they're trying to do it for the media. So if y'all really want to keep it funky, they try to do it to, to, to, you know, to, to get viral and going sites like this. So the more it gets amplified hair and things. We got to play our part, but y'all got to play our part too and accept responsibility. We haven't really, like, reported on that.

No, not you specifically, but... The thing about that that's unique is that it keeps getting removed from YouTube because it's being, like, viewed as bullying and harassment. But even that's... We don't even need to promote, like, that shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that shit is... And that goes for... I never even heard of it. I don't even promote it if it was from their side, who they talk about... on that side. They don't need to be talking about killing nobody on that side if somebody dead too. These people got mothers, fathers, other people outside of the gang and with y'all dealing with that got to hear this shit and deal with it. So we just all need to take heat into

that. You know what I'm saying? And kind of like, you know, I can't stop nobody from doing nothing. If I could, I would. You understand what I'm saying? I'll tell. Get y'all niggas money and get to this game and live out your dream and be famous. And you understand, that's what they need to be doing. But things happen in the streets that, you know, you can't just tell people, yo, stop. Right. And that's life. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? As fucked up as it is. A lot of things are fucked up, bro. So would you try

to encourage a lot of these young... Or I just did. I just did. Just now. Both sides. Both sides. If y'all, if y'all can't stop. You know what I'm saying? Figure out how to get y'all money. Don't stay away from each other. If it's that bad, stay away from each other. Y'all know where y'all don't need to be so y'all don't clash into each other. Stay

away from each other. Get y'all money and be successful. And, you know... It's not even in the street. Is in this industry it's in this game like this but it's nasty outside we need we need to really sit back and try to figure some shit out it's scary it's scary for for artists like i like me and juell's to move around out here like it the comfortability is no more like there's only paranoia out here and more paranoid we are to the feel we're safer we are and that's kind of crazy when there was a time where things were a little bit different for rappers and artists like ourselves and things like that so

You think it's a lot more dangerous now? Perfect example. I don't want, yeah. I mean, it's always been dangerous, but it's heightened at this point. You know what I mean? It's the worst y'all ever seen it? Social media is allowed it to be in everything more accessible so people know where people are at. People want to get to people.

People know so much more. People have so much more information. So it makes people are not dumb. They can get to you easier. You understand what I'm saying? You got a lot of, the Internet's become smarter. It's like people just got stupid and just. you know what I mean or doing the illish shit

or just acting like they don't give a fuck and if that's your model and how you choose to live listen you know how it's going to end up and I mean? If there's a young artist say there's a young artist you want to sign them but they're on that shit in their music some real demon shit

would you be able to get behind it? My nephew is duty low he's son to my mother like nephew wow you know what I'm saying okay shout out of duty law you mean potentially he's with me I see FMF but I'm I don't get into, my thing is I'm not, I tell all of them.

I don't want to feel like I got a picture, and I don't. That's why I just, you know what I mean? But you can't tell me I can't help my nephew either. I'm trying to show him a better way so he can feed his family. I don't condone, but he's out there. Let's not take away from the artist. But people don't see it like that. I'm trying to pull him away out of everything.

That's, you personally vested in that, right? But even some of the ones that I'm not. I know, I know that. But aside from that, let's not take away from the artistry. You did? Like, there was a time we were making music and we were living

kind of risky at the same time. We would have hated for the label to be like, yo, we don't like how you're moving around

in the streets. We can't offer your offer your ideal because it's about the music. To be fair though, you guys beefed with other famous rappers. Nowadays,

it's like, a lot of times it's like famous rappers or like well-known rappers beefing with totally unknown people Or it's just like young-ass kids rapping about like other young-ass kids.

And that's when for me as a rap fan, as I get older, it gets kind of harder to stomach listen to it sometimes, you know? I mean, we're older, they're younger. I mean, all we can do is try to figure out a solution that can help what's going on because it's nasty outside. But we can't turn away from these youngsters. They're the next generation and they're creating the next music. And we gotta figure away out how to meet that at a medium and things like that.

I believe labels should hold their self very responsible for the artists that they signed, and not because the artists that they sign are outside doing wicked things. They're supposed to show them a different way now that the artists that they signed are getting ready to make some money, can change their life. And that's a big problem. Like, they get into these situations, and they continue to still do the same things that they were doing yesterday. They can't possibly be good for them today now that they turn into a star.

That's what I'm trying to say? And I feel like people like Capo and us are still needed and really more needed at this time, but just guys that are going to be genuine. See, me, I'm genuine. I want to see my artists win, and I'm here to change the narrative. I'm not trying to put none of my artists in no fucked up contracts. I want anybody to be. We can all here to make money.

You know what I'm saying? But I want to, but my thing is we got to, we got to, they need people like us because these labels, it's no, they have no vested care of love for these deeds. I mean, like me, I'm going to really show these, you know what?

Show them a lot more. They need. that in between. Because Jimmy, like you said, like, what makes me a different, like, from a Jimmy Avine, right?

Why do you separate me if I sign a drill artist and look at it and like, I'm getting, I'll get in the middle of it, but a Jimmy Avine won't, nah. He definitely deserves some introspection

if he's going on that as well, I would think, you know. As much as a Jimmy Avine, but I'm also going to give positive vibes to, and try to really, you know, me, God damn,

and make sure not just like, oh, I have a vested interest in the music. That's it. Whatever you get into, you die tomorrow. I'm just, I'm trying to really, you know, pull them away from something that could really harm them and really, you know, get these kids, you mean, a better way. That's why I think, you know, people like us are needed. And I mean, sometimes, you know, when artists,

they don't really understand what they get when they sign to, you know, artists do, you mean, just that they're going to the label. Like, the labels are just labels, you know what I'm saying? They're there to just pick up a lot of pieces. I mean, they're really not doing that. You're talking about mentorship. It's way deeper than that. I feel like that's missing.

Exactly. And you came from that. I come from that. I want to install that back into the game. Like, that's what I'm doing my artists. And the whole ICFMF is the label. I got a bunch of super dope artists. Shout out to Doody Low.

Cato, Skeet. My son, Juju. I don't want to. Oh, Jai, young Jai. Because Juell's, is it true that, like, come crazy. You got your deal initially or your situation with Cam, I should say beyond the deal for rapping for him in his car.

That's the folklore. I rap for him in his car. Cam was sleeping. I told the story, you were sleeping. My cousin brought him over. He woke Cam up. I rap for him. I didn't really know if Cam like me. He called me to his studio like a week later. Do you remember the rap that you spent? Hell no. I could tell you one thing. I remember Cam saying, yo, nah, I just met this young kid, Jim. He got it. He talked about

he keeps the ham in it even when he goes swimming he got to gather in his truck I don't see he just remember him to say somebody he had to gather his trucks and shit like that he just came just couldn't believe it and I met them I had a bulletproof vest when I went to the studio I had I had beef in my and he's 16 at this time he was living a little fast little fast nobody does the bulletproof shit anymore really right I mean shit if your ass is in trouble you need to do what you need to do I don't know how people are living right now but I mean made it a fashion that's a fashion accessory low key We did. We tried to make everything a fashion.

They're illegal, though. But that's what it is. It's a lifestyle. I mean, we always sold lifestyle. So we tried to make everything that we incorporated into our lifestyle and just fashionable. And I mean, we talked about it. So if we were in B for having a bulletproof vest, we needed to wear it for protection, but we also going to try to make it look fly at the same time. The Louis V vest?

Right. I got to bring this up. Rest and peace, takeoff. terrible situation to unfold a couple weeks ago. Jim, I know you were close with them and had even been working with them in recent memory.

Yeah. Shout out to takeoff, man. One of the most beautiful souls I got to meet on this earth forever be remembered. One of the few artists of where he's at and always gave him my flowers

anytime I've seen him and it always made me felt welcome whenever I've seen him. to come to the city hit us up just we had a brotherhood that that was just real dope like I had a real special bond would take home and I know he had so many special bonds or so many other people I mean he made everybody around him smile he took care of everybody um never allowed me to pay for anything when I was around him he looked at me like aunt you bugging don't ever pull him on your pocket I got this this is my pleasure like you just he just

was that type of person like he I never seen him upset I never seen him get upset um um He broke the flow state itself. I mean, he will be truly missed. He's a brother of mine that would be truly missed. So, R.P. Takeoff, that's RP Takeoff. God bless his family. God bless Allsick. God bless your mother.

QC. All of them. The whole, everybody over there, everybody. You even working with them on music in recent memory, though, like what brought you guys together on that level? Take off. He was in town. You're like, your uncle, you at?

I'm like, I'm in the studio. He's like, oh, I'm pulling up. He was, anytime if he was getting next to any one of us, that's what he was trying to do. And you're both on that one joint, right? That Calid remix? Oh, yeah, the Calid remix. Jim always throwing me to Alley's. But that was fully taken.

He came to the studio, he was burning blunt. He's like, oh, we got to get one in. Fuck this. I got to get you one of them joints. Start playing some beats. He's like, this is it. This is it. He went to end up with.

set the transit, I was like, oh, man, I had did, I did a little bit of the verse. I was just so hyped that he had did the record, I couldn't even focus. Because he went home. He went home. I remember Jim. You have the Supreme Bar in that song, I think. That's where he is.

Yeah, that's that song. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I went home and I did the verse, and I came back and did it over. Then I had put it a little bit on the ground, and then also hit me like, now, you bugging. I need to get on that. Oh, y'all, you tripping.

You're tripping. You're like, wow. I went to the studio, instead of with all saves, he was in there, chilling out and shit like that, end up doing the verse. Then I put that on, then Quavo hit me. It's like, nah, man, you got two without the three, man. You can't forget the choke.

He came and did this verse, and all that was on the strength of a takeoff giving me that record and things like that, you know what I mean? RIP take off. That was a very big record for me this shit, put me in the top 40s, put me back on billboards. Like, he did more than, a salad for me and shit like that.

He helped me feed my family. So, you know. And I think that's one of the last, that's, Mama, speaking to AdLens, that's one of the last records that the whole Migos did, I want to say, yeah. Yeah, definitely, yeah. I was one of the last records that they got to do.

So, you know, that's super dope. And you got to perform that. We actually went to the album release. We went to the album release party. And that was the first time that I really, I got to perform the record with them. Was that that that hour release? Oh shit wasn't there, but, you know,

got both for that was dope. It's crazy because I got a record with all three of them, you know what I'd be hoarded music, man. Notorious hoarder. Notorious hoarder. I got a record with them. We did about a couple, about two years ago, I think. Jules, what's the, I know you know motherfuckers want to know what's up with the- No, the hard job.

We do it in motion tape coming in, coming ASAP. I don't got official date, but probably like next month. I'm about to put out this record next week. I'm in motion, I'm in motion, man. Every day I be on. He be on me. New music coming out though. I got a record with eight boogie called four.

I'm putting that out. It's fire too. Next week and I'm probably going to do this tape with drama. I ain't reach out to him yet, but I'm going to tell you all right now. Hey, drama, we need to get, Juell's needs to gangs to grill. So yeah, the gangsters grills in motion tape. How you don't have one already? That's kind of crazy.

That's overdue, so I'm gonna put all that together, put some records I got with some, some of the good men on there and then just, just, just start, you know. What about Weezy? Anything with Weezy? Come on, that's my brother. That's always, you know. I can't feel my faces already, you know. already, you know. That's what we need.

Shout to do weasie. Weisy has never ever front. I mean, you and Jewel's and Weas and Weas has a different type relationship. But for me, from, he has never ever front or anything that I called up and asked for. And that's the same.

Anything, like, it comes right back, like, with no sweat, no second guest, no nothing. Our videos everything. So I really appreciate you, Weezy. With me, it's, it's been that in even deeper shit. You know what I'm saying? That's the lost out.

that everybody wants, more than anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And I just hate talking about it because I think we done gave it so much promote. Like I said, that's my brother. We always do music. And, you know what I mean? See, I can't feel my face. I see FMF, so it is what it is, man.

We're in motion, baby. How are you guys feeling about the versus battle now that you've had quite a while to reflect on it? Shout out to the locks, man. The locks came very prepared. Proper preparation. advanced poor performance. They had all the peas in order, you dig? Right.

What more could we say? That was a mind-blowing thing for me to see. Like, a lot of people on Twitter, like, seeming like they were just figuring out now that Jadikis is an elite rapper and they're all fucking elite rappers. Not just the rapper. He's an entertainer and a performer.

Way different than just a rapper. But he's just, I really feel like he never got as much credit as he deserved throughout his career. So it was nice in that moment to see him actually getting that credit. And more than anything, respectfully and so much do you guys need you respect us for it?

Like more than anything, I'm happy we got to do that for them too in hindsight, you know what I'm saying? Pete, just as much as, because Pete, you know, just as much as you can't give us more, you can't take none away from us. You understand what I'm saying? So it is what it is.

But I feel like that night, you know, they came well prepared, they got the best of that night, and it got to put a light on them that. When is your time to shine? It's your time to shine. I should have always had, just like what you said with Jada. He's always been, what I'm saying?

But, you know, it got to a point to where a certain younger generation might not have been as hip as they might have been to us. And, you know, they definitely, so I'm happy they got that. Like, I fuck with that. Shout out to Jada and this coffee thing he's doing too. They got the family business, Kiss Cafe. So it's important everything. Pharmacy for Life.

He got Pharmacy for Life. Stiles P. He'd be sending me my pack of pills and be having the Seamawks in there, You're having all type of things and the vitamins and shit like that so I take those every day, man. So shout out to them down. I feel like with that versus

it kind of like they flipped the script because prior to that motherfuckers weren't doing full on performance. I'm ready to kill somebody though for a little redemption though just in case they ain't right for the kill man. Who you looking at? Who are you looking at?

It don't matter. They're even about one. I ain't never looking. Wasn't they talking about bleak? Like I said, I ain't never looking for nobody. You're talking about bleak. But anybody could get killed, you know? You know what I mean?

Literally. Yeah. Right. You know what I mean? You're talking about versions. I can't. What else would I be? You know what I'm saying?

I can't say this. You just said it's so convincing. That night was an extraordinary night. Like that type of energy I haven't seen in the city since the tunnel, since the tunnel was open on. I know not too many people have experienced the energy of the tunnel. But that was like what the tunnel felt like on the night that Rock A Rockefeller was coming and I'm happy. We could do that way.

I'm happy to do that. That shit was a different type of feeling. So have you talked to Cam since then? Yeah. Oh, okay. You did another interview where you said you hadn't talked to him for a while after that. Shit, I haven't.

But I had it. And then I should, you know, shit. We'd be doing shit. What I got to talk to Cam every day and shit like that? That's my brother nonetheless of what goes on. But he'd be doing shit. I'll be doing shit. You know what I mean?

Me and you wasn't very close, though. So, you know how shit happens? You got brothers, right? You got brothers? You got brothers? No. All right. So you wouldn't know how I feel.

Well, not literal brothers. That's your brother right there, though? Newfound brother, I guess you could say. Now? Yeah. Now? Shit happens. No new friends. So I'm making new friends all the time.

What's going on? Hey, man, you'd be surprised who'd become, yeah. You can't. Nothing wrong with new friends. I believe, I believe that that's one of those phrases that I like, you know, over- Over-rated. Yeah. And it sounds good.

It's a phrase. You got a lot of phrases. You don't want to be closed on. You got a lot of phrases that sound good. And they're cool to saying songs and, you know, let's be cool with that. There's just like certain songs. Like day one, I got some friends that I got from back in the day. Like when little Kim used to say all that, wow freaky shit and then when niggas approach

on some row old shrieky shit, niggas ain't wow freaky. You understand what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, like, you know, girl, they be in the club like, oh, do this that in the third and do this that in the third back in, you be like, you be like, yo, my nigga, we're going to go with you. I'm just saying. A lot of your friends from back in the day.

don't end up being very good friends. As you get older, you just kind of realize. How long you know somebody is not the most important thing, right? No, but there are some people that you have long-lasting relationships from back in the day. But for the most part, people that you meet throughout your lifetime might help you weigh more than people that you've known for your whole life, if that makes sense. Jules, was there ever a moment where when you listen to diplomatic immunity and you heard that skit where Fricky Ziki called you like a do-doos-stained, midget, big head?

Was there like a moment where you were like, maybe that was too much. No, that ain't never too much for Zeke. Zeke, Wilder. And Zeke is. I mean, just midget. Doodoo's stank. I was like, damn, that sounds crazy in retrospect. At that time, I'd have felt more crazy trying to tell Zeke to change it at that time.

And we'd be getting at each other like that, though, over here, right? You cool with it, Zeke, I'm cool. That was warranted at the time. That was welcome. What Calais said? With Drake like I like? With Zeke like, I like. At that time, he said no.

You could imagine what he said before we took that take. That just was one of many takes. Right. What has to happen for, like, take him to church to be on streaming services? For real. Take them to church or on my way to church. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

The first album. Oh, shit. I couldn't answer that right now. I could ask my lawyer about that shit in the morning. Right. There's a lot of stuff, like a lot of classic mixtape stuff. because me and my girl went and saw Billy Joel at Madison Square Garden

and I was like, damn, there are multiple dipset records I remember that had fire Billy Joel samples that I wanted to revisit after that, but they're all just on YouTube. That was the problem. They were samples, and that was how a lot of our mixtapes were created.

A lot of the records that we wanted to use were records that we couldn't get cleared. You ought to know by now. We built this city. But that one got clear. Yeah, yeah, but that's so much. That was later on the album, actually, and shit like that.

That was one of the early records that kind of gave us our sound, besides all the heat maker records that we were doing. We built the city was a dope record. And beyond that, the legendary freestyles, that Hot 97 freestyle over the I really mean it. I missed that era. That's probably my favorite freestyle of all time, like no cap, like to this day.

To this day. All you all went crazy. Cam was very strict about making sure everybody had their balls together back then and shit like that. I can't attribute that. Yeah, Cam was known to that. Cam, Cam definitely was noticing that. I just was starting out, so it was like school of me and shit like that.

We just have to make sure that all those... I was lazy. All those classic mistake joints, they just can't be lost to time. We've got to make sure that all that shit's properly archived. At least it doesn't seem like it's taken off YouTube, so... I would literally, like, I would visit New York. I'm from here. I'll go out to New York, and my primary purpose of a visit,

be like, I'm going to... St. Nixon 1A. Dudes copping the motherfucking dip set tapes. Like, literally. Like, that shit was my religion. Yeah. The game seemed just so much. I mean, it was different back then. When we were doing this shit now, imagine the shit that

we was doing back in the days that we was doing now. It's so crazy. Like, with the internet, I'm just trying to think of how things would have transpired different, whether it was for the better or for the worse of... I think y'all would have been even bigger. Oh, that's for sure.

of like... That's for sure. We would have been. We would have been, but then there's some things, you got some things that we did that would have got. I mean?

We would have definitely been on a cancel block a lot of times. We would have been on a cancel chopping block a lot of times. We would have been. You used to make money off MySpace? Huh? You'd make any money off MySpace back in the day?

Because that kind of overlapped, right? I didn't. He wasn't into My Space. I came in on an Instagram way. Yeah. He was a, he was a... He wasn't a... He was a...

He was a Facebook type of type of guy. We was moving too fast for My Space. Right. I started doing Facebook as I had inspiration just because I knew I kind of looked into my. Yeah, I started with like Twitter and shit like that. No, I started Twitter first. You actually write on Twitter. I wasn't into the other.

I got a lot of good email pussy on my space. I met my wife on Twitter. And the two-way, the two-way page before that was probably about. But that's crazy. I met my wife on Twitter. Because y'all is always ahead of the curve. What do you say like, you know, futuristic? So they're going to have to use ballistics just to prove I'm this sick?

Like, y'all's, oh, yeah, you're like, y'all's all. Bars. Come on bars. You feel me? I am crap. Like always, always ahead of the curve. Hey. How do y'all do that?

How many people got the A adlibs? They just switched it up with an accent. Millions of different A's and yeah. A and yeah. Hey, guy, come on. So much you all start. They, they, they, they, they be. Yeah, the A chain.

It's like, they'd be so reluctant to just give, give. Remember the A chain? That shit was the biggest A of all time. Jewelry collection. Dust down. Jewelry collection, dude. Oh, my God. You need to do a.

merch collection that's just the old Santana's town merch. Everything is going to be under the exact same thing. The whole ICFMF, I'm doing. I'm contributing a little bit of everything to what I'm doing right now. It's just a whole boss up for me and capitalizing. Even for capital, we just capitalizing on all

them missed opportunities and you know, of course fashion and even like the bandana. See, I got the, why didn't not have a bandana? Sanana Bandana. The fuck? The man who who squeeze hammers. Come on. Yeah. Um, what?

What? That's why I say it's a lifestyle. Like, you may talk, that's that, even down to the bud. Like, as much as, I didn't incorporate it as much in my music, like, say, a whiz or Snoop did, but I'm just as, when it comes to, but as them. That's a fact. Right.

You go to the early days starting to smoke-a-thon. Bernou kept hollering my name. Yo, Jewel's, we sit up to smoke alarm here. Tell Jewel's, tell Jewel's, it's shite's bubub, we should be. We're looking for them. Shout out to my boy, Shice, Bub. What I'm saying? We put Purple Hays on the map.

Man, Burner come. Burner, what's up? Shout out the cookies. I appreciate everything they're doing. Burner. Those are Harlem strains, though, like Purple Hays. Damn, you only holl out of your boys. New York Hays.

You know what's up? I'll let me, my guy. We take the Purple Hays and the sour diesel. That's how I mean. We're in motion, though. Y'all smoking sitivas. Y'all going, I can't even. I feel like something else to me.

me like, I'm Sotiva's going crazy. We're in a couple of cookie stores right now, though. They just opened the New York one. Shout to my boy Chris Grunge. Yeah, but I don't think they got, they can't sell budding. Yeah, it's just a good for now. Yeah. Yeah, of course they're going.

Of course, they'll probably be the first ones with it. What they've done with cookies is crazy, though. Yeah, you know. You see Burner on the top five hip-hop? Listen, listen, I'm going to graduate. One thing about me, I know, hate in my blood and I'm a super supporter, so. Get into the bag. I love it.

I love it. I love anything. I'd be wondering why niggas be mad at anybody into the bag. It's enough money out here for anybody. You know what I'm saying? Hey, you don't know nobody's story and what they go through and what they took to get there. You know what I'm saying?

It's just like, yo, I don't mean. I don't care. Like, if a nigga winning, they win in. I got to hit this one. I always feel the same. You guys have been cool with Kanye forever. Is it hard to see all this shit that been going on with him having damn near every,

but he turned their backs on him? and whatnot. It's a wild boy. It's all. Sheld to easy, man. It's always sad to see somebody of Kanye's stature, nature, going through a situation

like where he's going through right now. That's the best way I can put it. Yeah. It's always sad to see a person like Kanye, especially like, you know, being a person of color and to reach the stature and be his influence

going through where he's going through it. I leave it at. that because we have yet to know and see where it's going and where it's going to end up and I know he's very smart I know he's in a great position right now for commerce if it's about money he's probably in the greatest position he ever be in and I said that on Instagram and people you know you had a lot of comments that that's why I hate saying thing and then I guess I'm in that that thing to where certain people feel like you whatever I'd like to hear you elaborate on that though specifically like for those I might not understand why you

You feel that way. I mean, for everything, it's just like when Trump was president. See, people always got to put things into perspective and categories and certain. You know what I'm saying? A person can be this way, but they can also be good in this area too, just like they can be bad in this area and good in that area. And that's why I feel like, you know, happening with Kanye. He still has his leverage of like being able to sell.

I mean, actually, everybody's not stopping my in shit. You think niggis broke easy because Adidas? No. Did it? Or they brought Yeezy because Yeezy did it? No. Yeah, absolutely. Their stock went up actually when Yeezy.

So therefore he has the biggest window of his life to be able to sell. Sell directly to consume. And yeah, maybe they may be closing a lot of doors for him, but there's always a door that is open that can probably. That is kind of how all this started was he wanted to be free from Medita and all that. It's always somebody willing to go against the norm. You know what I'm saying is I said, so Adidas said they're going to continue to sell

Yeezys without Yeezy, but at that point it's not even a Yeezy, it's just in Adidas. Hold on, hold on, hold on, no, but to that point, and I don't think nobody is jacking that. It's going to be all about it, the fans embrace it. Hold on, but, hold on to that point, though, it gets to the point to where it's like, Den Ha you even, that's the weird thing.

We are a culture that want the real thing, first of all. Let's be for real. We ain't into the knockoff. That's weird. You cancel him, but then you continue to sell his stuff. When can you, when could you, niggas is not, be not into the knockoff in this culture.

Nah. This ain't Canal Street. You want the real thing. But if you've done with, yeah, you got to be done with all things, yeah, though, right? I would, I would think that's right. If you're done with him, then don't continue to sell his designs.

That don't really, because then it makes me think to his extent. It is some way about money. Now you were able to push him out and continue to make the money off of his. And I mean, it just, but he did say some fuck, of things and that's not cool.

I'm saying. So I'm not, we're not standing behind. You know. Wait, let's not even. Yeah, you're gonna keep it. I'm talking from a business perspective, not getting into the personal things that's going on. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't got no opinion on that.

You dig? All I'm saying is that from a business perspective, from where he's at, if it's about, if it's about money, he's in a great position to make probably the most money that he's ever made for himself. Because of the independence, you're saying essentially. That's all I'm saying. saying. I'm not getting into anything else.

We're not getting into anything else. Leave it at that. Yeah. Fair enough. Definitely. Understandable, man. Shit is radioactive. Yes, it is. Good to stay away from politics. It's kind of a shame to see somebody who really, like, became a legend because of his music and his fashion sense and whatever, kind of end up in this position because he really wanted to like weigh in on politics when it's like,

like, to a certain extent there's part of my brain that feels like, Like, fuck, why does it even fucking matter? Like, why can't he just believe whatever the... I feel the same way about athletes. It's like, they're here to play basketball. Like, can't they just think whatever the fuck they want? I can't tell you this. Thanks.

The freedom of speech is very pricey. Very pricey. Apparently. Bars. But do you feel, as a person who might from time to time have, you know, controversial opinions, do you feel like you find yourself sort of not expressing them on social media or whatever because you just don't want to be looking at your fucking

Instagram or Twitter and dealing with the fallout and all that bullshit over the course of the next couple days. I feel like this. When I was younger, there were things that I may have shouted out that I might not be ready to shout out right now. I pick and choose the things I want to say and I want to be very smart and diligent about the things that I choose to say. I try. You have to be. I'm a very emotional person. I used to just go off the hands and shit like that for the most part. And we're in a different time right now. So you got to be very strategic about how you. market yourself and promote your brand and things like that so we all want to make money so we can't feed our family and things like that you did so there's a lot to goes with the way that i act nowadays and things like that you dig now am i aware of things that's going on yes am i conscious of things that's going on yes very much so you know what i mean it's a time and the place for me to state my

opinions and things but right now on certain things i have no opinion on i like to live life i don't really see no color. I got white friends. I got black friends in jail. I got friends that's lawyers. I got friends as doctors. I got friends just pieces of shit. Like I create like diggy. Like I got shit. Oh, shapes, dags, all racist. You got fat helmets? That's hard. I bring them to the gym. I bring him to the gym and I help him and I help him get in shape. You never see a motherfucker that look like a shape. He a whole ass over. He a whole ass over. He a whole ass over. like a whole, nigga like a whole circle. Like, all right, do you feel like it's hard to convince the younger generation of rappers and

whatnot to take their health serious? Because I feel like working out is becoming more and more popular. But at the same time with a lot of these young rappers, I feel like working out is just not even in the conversation with them. I mean, health as well, if I can't tell you that. Like, it has helped me out tremendously throughout my life and things like that. And recent health has been one of the biggest topics inside of our culture and so I this rap community and things like that now you know youngsters got a lot of light to live still so you

know they they run it on high energy you did but as they get older they need to start to make smarter decisions about their health and about the food they eat and choices they're making things like that you know i mean and that's what we're promoting for for the longest as you can see we did the van fibby we did the fitlet shout out shout out to davies and show's to everybody else that's into working out and staying young that's the closest we got to but you know i think the narrative got too. The narrative got lost in society and everything that's going on these young niggas don't even think they're going to live

to that age. That's what's so fucked up out here. They truly don't. Right. They truly don't even see it. You know what I mean? With everything that's going on and it's like, you figure out how we could change shit like that, you know what's like that when we was younger? We ain't think we lived past 25.

Hard to convince a young kid to think about the future. You look at all the older artists, it's more them, you know what I mean? Who get into the, you know what? You know, like you said, it's not the young, because they're not looking at there. They don't see it until they get kind of like maybe early 30s, like, oh, all right, now I want to, let me know, have these kids or go through some real life situations,

you know what I'm saying? Right. Right now, they just at that age the way they just like, really, whatever happens, happens. Living for the moment. Yeah, it's like, really, though. We all living for the moment, but they like. I can't say this. When we were younger,

we were very athletic when we were younger like we were all basketball play basketball every day sports outside it wasn't video games or phones and things like that that kept us in the house everything we did was outside so help was a little bit different when we were younger most of us was already in shape vicarity for the way that we live it came outside every day and things like that so things like that carry with me as i got older and shit like that but are you too famous to go catch a workout on the monkey bars in the park at this point in your life i do it every summer all summer you You go to my hood and see you. No worries.

I mean, that's fire. We all got worries and things like that, you did. Right. You got to worry about life, but for the most part, I try not to be a prison of my own fame, but I also try not to be stupid either. I'm not Superman out, you did? Right. But yeah, I go to my hood and I work out.

You did? I still want the kids to see me. I still want the kids to be able to look at something they can do, and the odds are very slim for them, but when they see me, they know that the odds are high than they thought. Is it kind of distracting because it turns into a fucking photo shoot? I mean, I'm from that hood, so my hood is a little bit different. They got a lot of respect for me, and I got a lot of respect for them.

He's asking because he wants to know if he could work out in the... I mean, if you want to come work out with me in my neighborhood, you're very into that. You're very well-welcome. It's very cold right now, but besides that, I'm down. This is my son part of me. Okay. We left in chain, we had it good.

We were spoiled the NWR for these past couple months. We were getting spoiled. Right. Jack Foster came, started kicking ass these past. A couple of a week. Got Jack Frost on the damn neck, fool. What you're talking about? God damn.

I'm used to that, Jack Frost. You know what I'm immune to that? How do you feel about Mace signing Favio Forren to this bullshit deal? Listen, I don't know what you consider a bullshit deal. Let's wait. Let's wait. Break it down. This is not me sticking up for Mace nor this is not me sticking off a file.

From my artist's perspective, when you're coming up and you're coming up and you got nothing, your back is against the world. All you want to do is rap. You're willing to take whatever dealer comes at you because you feel in your heart that you're gonna be the biggest thing smoking. So you're gonna deal with whatever comes with that. I'm telling you from my perspective.

So in May's perspective, an executive who's trying to sign the artist and knows a little bit more than the artist would know. You'll be able to get you more. Some would say he took advantage. Some would say he kept it fair. But what he did do was put this artist in the game and give him a chance at life and things like that.

So when you look at it from different perspectives, it's like who was wrong, who was right. Now, a fair person may have not did the deal like that. They may have to less percentage and things like that. But when you agree to something, that's what you agree to. When you learn knowledge about something, you may not agree to that same deal

because now you're more knowledgeable. And that's where renegotiation comes in. And I do believe that he has renegotiated for a lot more money than he has signed for. And when he signed at that time, He signed for way more money than he had in his pocket. You did? I think that's a great point.

And, to me, Fabio was just in my career, we kind of talked about. I asked him to me, we kind of just talked about it. And like Jim said, I mean, I was in a situation, too, but I don't feel, I feel like when people give you, you got it, people always forget about the opportunity and the people that help them. And I will affirm believer in that. That's why you never, you know what I mean? Me and Cam have had, you know what I mean, little things,

but you never hear me saying nothing because I respect the fact of somebody giving me my shot and me being able to you know regardless of what the terms were at the time i'm able to feed my family forever because of that and i i truly respect and appreciate that more than anything right no i'm saying more than anything so i i would never sit here and talk about what a contract was at the time like jim says what i agreed to as i as i progress i learned i got more knowledgeable things change i'm still you lbs say to me i'm in the hood nigger like you i got a million dollars, we're going 50-50. Yeah, like, that's what I'm in the hood.

I'm in a project saying you got a million and we're going to go 50-50, you give me $500. And you're taking $500? Man, son, man, where we're at? We're the fucking paper at. That's what the fuck is going. What the fuck is going? Is you a nigga stupid? Like, let's be realistic here about what's going on.

This is, niggas is busting there on a deal. I got an opportunity for you. We're going to bust in a big check. But this was what lost nowadays. Niggers don't understand that part about it. Like a niggas. Because the media always misconstrues. But what? When they do shit, and I don't mean you say you fuck,

but when you do shit like that, when you say a bullshit deal, because you don't, y'all don't talk about the other stuff. Like, how you said? That wasn't a million-dollar deal, though. But hold on. He ended up getting hundreds of thousands.

You don't know the logistics. He said 75,000, but you don't, that may be what they got in their pocket. But deals are always, what you get in your pocket is never like, the deal is always more than that. It's not the label's not giving you every,

so if you got a million-dollar deal, you may have $500,000 for your budget, $500,000, this to do this, just to do that. So you can't say that wasn't a million dollar deal either. You understand? Because you don't technically know. They just said what he got, you know, physically.

I'm just telling you in the hood how it would be, nigga. We got $500,000. I got $500,000, nigga. You got $40 in your pocket. I don't know what that man's situation, but I don't know, I don't see he was driving no benzos. I ain't see him outside lit with the rest of us you did. He was trying to get on.

Right. You're from Brooklyn. You absolutely right. The gutter of Brooklyn and shit like that. A nigger like, what? We got 500. them bushing 250. I'm,

I'm, I'm, a nigga what? I'm speaking for the niggas. What about niggas? All right, so I got a couple niggas that's not in her

and they are. My thing is, if a nigger's giving you the opportunity, somebody believe in you and putting you on a bigger, even down for Mace too. Like,

it's like, it's different when Mace walk you into a label or somebody like me or Jim walk you into a label to as you're walking yourself into a label. I guarantee you, I guarantee you,

you're not even going to get the walk into the label than what you'll be able to get. See, this is like an extremely, You'll begin a percentage of money that wasn't even there. You understand what I'm saying? And same thing with producers when they'd be like, a lot of producers would complain about Diddy.

You know, you're taking out beats. But you would have sold that beat for 5,000. Diddy sold that beat for 100,000 and gave you 20,000 of you mad. But you would have sold that beat for 5,000, though. You understand what I'm saying? So it's like, but when it's time to complain, niggas want to get on these shows and complain, that's not fair. I don't know who's more right or who's more wrong.

I think Fabio was complaining and shit like that. I think he just rapping and doing what niggas doing. No, no, I ain't said, yeah, facts. I think it's just easy to, with these interviews, like one thing Capo said, you just got it, because it's so easy for this shit to just get twisted. And I think that that's the beauty of everything that's going on even right here, what we're talking about.

We're just exposing how a lot of things just get twisted. Because there's so many different ways to just kind of like, even back to when we was talking about the, um, the, um, 21, just he wasn't saying that a malicious way and then just get, I mean, you know, somebody was going to say, no, he was saying that in the movie. Somebody out there is going to say, no, he was saying that in the malicious.

They're going to misconstrue what we were saying, like, you know, fuck yeah, yeah, I don't know, y'all. They're going to say it like we disson. Like, we said, somebody's going to take that like we said something crazy. It's going to be, you know, I mean. But don't you all feel like artist development nowadays as weight is somewhat. Needed. Yeah, it's very needed. It's missing.

Mentorship. But there was. There was a department. There was a department. There was a department in all the labels called artist development. That's what I'm saying. And nowadays, chop that block. And nowadays, they're dependent on artists grinding it out, getting a buzz, getting their streams up, and then they're going to sign you. Artists exploiting themselves and doing some shit that they're not going to be here for too long. You did it?

Like, they don't care about the life of an artist, bro. They don't care what happens to you long as they can make some money off your artists. That's what I'm going to change the narrative. We're going to have super successful artists. So I urge these artists to be very smart. very small with the contracts you sign be very small with the business you do very small how you move out here in the streets and hey all the contracts you sign might not be the best contracts but make sure at the time it's what you need like you dig i can't tell you that like we all we all been

up against a child and black and i don't know what your situation is and sometimes it's dire and sometimes when diet things happen you you got to do things that you probably want to do if you was in another situation but make sure at the time as well work with that you feel that if you get that much you can get to the next level where you need to be and shit and and don't all And that's great. You're absolutely right. But you can't do that. And then after you do that and get in a better situation, going to complain and then make it seem like that,

because, you know, that'd be a crazy. It's easy. Beach. I'm noticing. It's easy. A motherfucker asked you for something and get something, get something. But to get that motherfucker back, it don't matter what it is. It would be a whole different energy.

You never noticed that? Or you don't give it a person something anymore, how they act towards you. You give people the world as soon as you can't give them. I can't give them a star anymore. I can't get the moon anymore. I can't get the seat anymore. I ain't got it right now. And then it's a whole thing.

Jim, you've worked for a couple of different labels over the years. Is that something you still do or are you still interested in that? Do you feel like that's a good use of your time? Well, I have my own distribution label. I got an incubated label through Empire where I'm at least upwards of maybe. Going on like 100 records and 100 artists right now, things like that. So I still play the executive. Would I be willing to go back into label?

Yeah, why not? I mean, my way of thinking when it comes to finding artists in marketing and promoting artists is way different than mostly executives, and I've been doing this for a minute, and I'm pretty good at it. But when I had the opportunities before, I was a little bit young and I wasn't, I could say wholeheartedly, I wasn't ready at the time for the positions that I had.

I mean? It's kind of the question, like, is your time better spent working on the business of being you, or is it worth being the motor behind you? being the motor behind, you know, a younger artist too? It's both. It meets at a medium. A lot of the young artists that I deal with feel me to keep working out there

as meet myself as an artist. They keep me young at the same time. But at the same time, I know what it takes to marketing and promote the artists. And I know I'm trying to give each artist that I deal with a fair chance at their artistry and putting their music out. For sure. One thing I learned than even being through jail, I read a lot, you know what I'm saying? and just, I mean, plot it a lot.

And for me, right now, it's about the brand and just, you know what I'm saying, building a brand, marketing the brand, you know what, and one of the biggest parts for your brand is marketing, you know what I'm saying, and promoting and getting people to understand what you're selling and what you're pushing. And for me, it's just lifestyle and everything overall that I embody, we embody, you know what saying from fashion to music to to smoking smoking weed you know I'm saying and it's all going to be done on a high high level in a quality control fire level right I'm saying and that that's what i see FMF is for me right now now that you mentioned that was was that a couple years in jail was

that like the craziest fucking reset that like forced you to be thankful for everything all over again yeah and you know I still I still for short being out here here, you know what I mean? I still fight demons every day and fall short, but for the most part, I'm in a great, great space and I'm trying, you know what I'm saying? And I'm feeling better better than I've ever felt before, you know what I'm saying? Just where I'm at, just more focused, just bossed up, I mean, my energy is good. I feel like God is working for me, you know what I mean?

Like, of course, there's a couple areas I could always get better in and I need to get better in and I'm gonna always work towards that. But, you know, for the most part, I'm just loving, loving where I'm at right now. And jail definitely helped me, help me in a lot of ways. You know, when I came home, I wasn't able to really jump and attack things the way I wanted to, because I was on house arrest.

So people were just like I was home and I was kind of stagnated in that. And then the whole pandemic, it kind of threw me for a loop. You know what I'm saying? But I promised myself once I got off, you know, probation I would get straight to it. And that's what, you know, came about. I can't feel my face.

And now we just be just pushing. We got the hot as brand in the street right now. The music is coming. Like I said, I'm about to put out, go full-fledged with that. And I mean, I've been touching things, giving them a little taste here and there. But now I'm about to go full-fledged with that and just get everything that just tie in together. So it's just really like, like I said, the brand and building this empire. For sure, they're giving us the rap symbol.

But, I mean, for me and I'm sure on behalf of him, too, I just wanted to thank you guys for your time. and just say that like, you know, 20 years of die-hard, dipset fandom, and that, you know, I'm sure there's a million motherfuckers like me watching this right now who just have immense appreciation for everything that y'all brought to the culture. So I just want to make that abundantly clear. And it's amazing to see you guys still making money and doing your thing and being able to really keep building shit later into your lives, too, because, you know, obviously 98% of the rappers from your generation

are probably not quite as lucky. And still killing it. You feel me? Like even Jim, the new single, the gunshot joint going crazy, you feel me? Like, Jewel's bar as sharp as ever every single time. Thank you, man. I appreciate you. I appreciate your, I appreciate your keeping the classy up here, too.

It's a big thing, man. You did? No doubt. Jim definitely motivates me, too, man. I'm happy, man. He's in the space he's in. Like, we feed off each other in a lot of different ways. And it's been like that for a long time.

I'm definitely appreciative to have him as, you know, a brother. and just somebody has been in my life for, you know, all these years, no matter what we've ever going through it. It's always just managed to come back full circle and us be tighter than we was the last time. We was, you know, before whatever little hiccup, you know, that came in the middle of us. You know, so I feel like that's always God's just working. Shit is deeper than in mind, my brother's keeper. You heard me?

A 2001 me's head just exploded. Pause. You feel I mean? I appreciate y'all, man. Jim Jones, Joel Santana. Thank you very much for my boy, Lush one. Come on, easy call. No Jumber, coolest podcast, the world.

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