No Jumper - Kam Stocks on How He Made Millions Trading Stocks at Home & More

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

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Jameson, it's what you bring. Please enjoy our products responsibly. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. and today I'm very, very excited to bring you guys a conversation. And I think it's much needed to today. I'm going to be learning a lot like I assume you guys are about the stock market and investing. We got Cam of Cam's stocks on here. How you doing, man?

How you doing, man? Nice to meet you. How you doing, man? Nice to meet you. And, okay, what's the dynamic we got going on here? This is the best trader on the planet. Oh. Okay.

So you're not the best trader on the planet. You kind of came to him? Basically, we've been working together for five years. Okay. He's the reason this portfolio looks the way it does. So this is up 114% year to date. And for those of you that think the screenshot is fake, I can scroll and actually show you my trades.

Okay. Right. So I have over six figures in this account. We have multiple accounts. But the reason why this is important to show is because most traders on the internet cannot actually trade. They're selling courses, they're selling systems, but they, one, do not ever show their trading results.

And two, they don't actually put their skin in the game with their clients. So they might tell you to take a trade, but they won't take the same trade. And the way our system works, which we'll dive into, is automatically the trades that we do are happening for our clients at the same time, proportionally to their budgets, just like a real hedge fund. Okay. So just before we even get into how exactly you do this, give me a little bit of background about like where you're coming from and what you were doing that led you in this direction. Yeah. So I'm from the Silicon Valley, like Menlo Park, Palo Alto, home of tech innovation. The first company I ever worked out out of college was a company called VIM, which is FinTech, Financial Tech. So the crossover of finance and tech. Goldman Sachs was an investor in that company, one of the biggest investment banks in the world.

That's how I met investment bankers, hedge fund guys and traders. And while I was working my tech job making six-figure salary, good job, good life, everything was fine. But I saw people making money in a different way that bothered me because I didn't understand it. and that was through trading options specifically. Trading options is something that the biggest hedge funds in the world do. This is somebody that's learned this game in and out, somebody that I trust and literally trust with six figures of my capital, much more than this.

This is literally just one account. We have probably $200, $350,000, something like that. So, but that's how I got introduced to the world. So that was in 2017. And my sales manager and my company taught me about trading options. the biggest concern that I have with people that are learning how to trade is that they try to day trade but they have a full-time job or business so imagine you imagine you trying to day trade you couldn't do it you said you did 20 pods a day right and so for somebody who is a day trader like or who aspires to do that

are they aiming to mostly just keep an eye on the news and all these different accounts that are basically feeding information about companies that are heavily traded and then they're trying to kind of duck off and like actually make these trades throughout the day that that's the American dream trade trends and momentum and just word to mouth headlines right because like so many times throughout my life people try to tell me like yeah I'm I'm getting into day trading and my mind just immediately goes to like you are going to lose money you're full shit yeah 99% of traders lose money because they are trying to implement a strategy that doesn't make sense for their lives example how many positive you last week maybe 10 something like that okay how are you supposed to day

trade, which means you're buying and selling on the same day if you're talking to me right now. What if the trade needs to be sold right now? Right on your phone. It's going to be tough. Yeah. Yeah. So we swing trade. That's why we're able to be here right now because we have trades that are happening that do not

expire on the same day that we bought them, which means we can enter a trade today and we can set an expiration date on it for two months from now. And then we have two months to be correct. Whereas when you go to the casino, red or black, it's right there. in there, gambling. Day trading the wrong way can be gambling if you are not trading full-time. So the reason why most people lose is they're trying to trade full-time while they have other full-time obligations. Okay. So, all right, oh, wait, so you decide while you have this career that you basically are kind of envious of like other people that you know who have this lifestyle.

And did you keep your same job or like, how did you go about educating yourself on stocks? So I realized I couldn't day trade. Right? Because I had this job. Luckily, my manager knew what swing trading was. And he was showing me and I was copying him. I was making a few grand here and there, whatever. And I was like, okay, I have two options.

I can keep doing, I can keep swing trading part time and then keep working my job. But I'm already the top performer at my company and I'm kind of feeling like I'm just not in the right room anymore. I'm 23 years old. I'm making 150 grand a year. And my colleagues are 35 making the same amount. So I'm like something's off here. And I'm looking at my CEO and like my VP and I'm like, I don't really want this life at 45. Like I don't really want to be stuck in San Francisco where the male to female ratio is seven to three and dog shit.

Wow, I never thought about that. That's a huge downside to live in there. Holy shit. People don't talk about this at a high level, but that's the truth. For ages 20 to 35, the ratio is seven to three. I guess it makes sense. And it's extremely expensive. So what are you paying for?

You might as well live in Miami or San Diego or somewhere else. And you had this realization before there was sort of like an exodus out of that sort of area in terms of people just move into areas and working remotely, right? Because this was pre-COVID, yeah. So that wasn't even like really a thing. It was just like, oh, tech jobs, you're in the Bay or you're in New York. And New York wasn't necessarily an option for me at the time. But with that said, I am swing trading and making a decision. I'm like, okay, should I keep my job?

No, I don't really like the lifestyle in San Francisco. I don't see where this is going. I'm going to move back home to Menlo Park Palo Alto, go all in on swing trading. And best decision I could ever made because now, one, I'm not paying rent, right? And I have no problem saying this. I had a place to live and not pay rent. Are you sure his mic is good? Somebody just texted me and said his mic is low, so I just want to confirm.

I can do this all day. I think it's good? Okay, sorry. That's fine. So yeah, move back home, went all in on trading, and just really never look back. Really? Yeah. Okay. And so what does that actually look like, that sort of process of getting involved in it? You just start like learning as much as you can on an individual level or do you have like mentors that are helping you through and everything? So there was a point where I basically told him, I was like, it's time to really go all in on this and figure it out. So I'd love for you to kind of share your journey of how you started paying for mentors, experience, learning online and eventually found your own strategy. So for me, it was swing trading and teaching is two totally different aspects, right, trying to get someone to understand my strategy, my mindset, and the discipline that comes along with it.

So I pretty much relayed the same messages that I got from my uncle, who was a stockbroker from Morgan Stanley for all. And he was my, he's my godfather. So he's telling me about the market throughout my whole life, just in passing. So once I started getting more into it around COVID, I just finished hooping. I'm thinking about what am I going to do next? So then I started getting into trading. But before I started becoming any sort of profitable, I was taking those,

it was been investing that entire time and studying the market. Studying stocks. Like, how do I even enter these trades? Day trading, experiencing that, losing. Then finding out that I had that same mindset with investing, I just thought about it. I was like, why aren't I trading like this?

Right? So once I started looking into the EYO guys, do you be familiar with them? Earn your leisure, right? Think about so much free game, right? And one of the things that they talk about is, you know, time being your most valuable asset. I mean, outside of trading it is, right? So why are I thinking on the same investment mindset when I'm trading, right? So like we said earlier, you could be making predictions on a certain stock to go in a certain direction by a specific date.

We don't have to wait until that specific date to take the profits or to realize our gains or losses. Right. So started taking that approach to it. And then once I started seeing my small account size growing on a weekly, monthly basis, quarterly basis, and I wasn't trading as much. It's not about getting the most trades to get you profit. It was about getting in the right trades and the quality trades and things like that. and compounding and adding to that same mindset time to time again.

So that's where I pretty much started. Basically what he's saying is most people don't look at trading like investing. They look at it like gambling, and that is why they lose. And I think about, I want this money today. Yeah.

So we're thinking about how do we win on a quarterly and yearly basis and outperformed the S&P 500. Anything beyond that is a pure bonus, meaning in quarter one of this year, specifically a little before that, but December 17th to March 4th.

So December 17th of last year to March 4th of this year. We turned this account from 25K to 104,000. We have a video documenting every trade. Okay, it's on my YouTube. And that's incredible. That's a 4x return. We don't necessarily expect to do a 4x return every quarter, but as long as we can do 1.5x, 2x a quarter,

the S&P 500 does 7% a year. Right. Your best stocks, Nvidia, Apple, meta, do 5% to 10% a year. So most people, they're putting their money into those investments without a lot of money to begin with. Imagine if I told you Adam, hey, bro, you should put 10 grand into Nvidia. And on a really good year, it's going to go up 10%. Right. Well, you made $1,000 over the course of year.

That's not going to do anything. Right. Your mic costs more than $1,000. Right. So why would you do that? So people are using very middle class mindset to take small amounts of money and hope it's going to do something for them. But you shouldn't even be investing into stocks and index funds unless you have a million liquid. Because think now, 10% on a mill is what? 100 grand. Now you've made

money. But 10% on 10 grand is $1,000. You can't expect that to go anywhere. But we can use our strategies in the market by trading options and we get rewarded for that because these are much more specific predictions about stocks with respect to just buying stocks. So let me break that down. Let's say I tell you to buy meta. Do you own any stock at all or no? I do, but it's like the kind of thing where my business manager just has, you know, many hundreds of thousands of dollars in it. And it's like, I don't think he's really like moving anything around almost ever. It's just kind of like sitting there. I'm not trading ever.

Do you know one stock that you own? Yeah. I mean, like meta would be a good example for sure. So why do you think buying meta is a good idea? It is. Because historically they've produced very outsized returns. And from, you know, every possible vantage point, they just seem poised to like, survive every change that takes place in terms of social media they've done it over and over by copying all the features from every other app that they're in competition with

They're a good company Yeah, basically yeah, it's hard to imagine them falling off a cliff at some point because they're so diversified that Yeah, maybe like Facebook to me look shaky, but Instagram doesn't and WhatsApp doesn't so you know they seem poised to weather these storms. Yeah, so we can make a specific prediction on meta break that up What's meta right now? I think like right under $600. I'm like $580, $5.90. So the way it's been performing this year, I'd probably say like... $577.

Okay, so $577. We used to be a $700 stock. The low of the year was probably a low $500. So you can take an educated guess or a prediction, if you will, that meta is going to get to $600 by next month, right? Or next year. Obviously, if you predict that stock that was only $23 away from being $600 and you buy time on it, you're going to be paying a premium price for it, right? Because it's more likely to happen versus me saying meta is going to be $600 tomorrow.

Right? So now it's a riskier trade. It might, you know, go either direction. So the contract price obviously correlates on the strike price, your prediction, and the time that you have on your side. He's using a lot of trading words. This is why we go perfect hand in hand because I can make that. that even more broken down for a beginner. What he's saying is, betting that meta is a good company the way you have will make you

money, but not as much as what we do. What we do is we say meta is going to go to a certain price by a certain date, up or down. And if we start to become correct, here's the key, we don't need to be 100% correct. It doesn't need to hit $600 if that's our prediction. But as long as it goes from 577 to 590, we start to make money. And we can take profit right then and there. We don't have to be all the way right like red and black gambling. So that is what options trading is in a nutshell.

Then if you break it down on a more granular level, you have day trading and swing trading. Swing trading means we buy on one day, we sell on a completely different day. Like he said, we can say this is going to happen in a month, in a year, in two months, whatever we want. Day trading means, oh, by tomorrow.

Let me make this even simpler for the audience. What's harder, Adam? You're a star, so it might not be that hard for you, but for most average men, if I force you and say gun to your head, hey, you have to bag a supermodel in Miami without paying for it by tomorrow. Might be hard to do for the average guy. Good look, yeah. And supermodel is extremely specific.

It's just specific. But what if I say you have to bag a supermodel by the end of the year? Easier than the first option. But I pull that off. You're definitely coming out of pocket off that in the long run too. You might not be directly paying them. Right, right. But it's easier because you're going to find a way.

But it's easier because you have more time. Yeah. So the way we trade is more secure and less risky because we give ourselves more time by picking trades that have time so they can come true over time. Okay. So when you look at meta and you say, hey, it's at 570 right now. And I think that realistically it's definitely going to 600 at some point in the next couple months or whatever. Is that based on its past or is it more like you're really digging in and reading these earnings

reports and like you know trying to decipher what changes you think are happening to the business and the thing that stands out to me though is that you're not only like having to make wise decisions about this but you have to like all you're also kind of competing with everybody else who's making these trades as well right so you have to kind of be able to outperform you have to also think about institutions are buying and selling the stock themselves right they might have been having this for 10 20 30 years however long the stock's been public right so So with that being said, like you said, you have to look in the past where the prices have gone. What is going on with the company?

You have to pull that layer back and see what's going on in the background. Right. Right. So just recently, the reason why the stock has crashed so much is because possibly the lawsuit that Zuckerberg is facing. Right. All these existential threats kind of take a drain on the stock. Then think about Bill Gates being involved with Epstein. Yeah.

That shit sent that whole sentiment behind Bill Gates himself. alone Microsoft. But are you also like using your intuition about the market? Because like myself personally like Bill Gates being involved with the Epstein files, if I was a betting man, I would say that in the long run, that is not going to be terribly consequential for Microsoft's stock. Or let alone Bill Gates. Yeah. I understand how it's, you know, bad press is bad press. But in the long run, I would say that the worst stuff that seems like it's been said about him has already kind of been exposed, which is basically like he's a cheater, which really is not really moving the needle when we talk about the Epstein conversation, you know?

Right, right. So exactly. We can, we can make money in two ways on that. Voice just disappeared. We can make money in two ways on that. We made money on a Microsoft put during all of this, which means we predicted Microsoft is going to go down. We made money on that.

Do you remember the exact put? You don't have to. No. I already tagged him probably like 10 times in the last like two weeks. What he means is he made money like over and over on the same prediction like, hey, it's going to keep going down. go up or down. Yeah.

But over time, like you said, it doesn't affect the big picture. So we have Microsoft calls for long term, which means by next year, Microsoft will go up to this price. While we're making money short term by predicting things are going to go down because of short-term situations like Bill Gates and Epstein. Right. Okay. And so, but from your perspective, are there stocks that you think it's worth like taking a percentage of your income and just having them in like stocks that you think in the long run are going to do well? or you are more concerned about doing these short-term trades? Both.

So yes, the answer is yes. But not if you only have 10 to like 100 grand. Let me explain why. If you have 50 grand, which is like a lot of money to have saved for most people, and you just put 50 grand into meta, okay. You'll make maybe 10% on a good year. That's 5K at the end of the year. Most people, their rent is over 5K.

So what is that doing for you is the question year over year after year? Now, yeah, if you left that 50K compound for 20, 30 years, then you're going to make good money. But the goal is to trade your way to a million and then start to put more money into stocks while continuing to trade. So, like, if I look at my portfolio, I have 250 to 350K in options fluctuating at all time. Then I have a million plus in stocks because I'm hedging against my short-term trades with long-term predictions on the stock market. Like, I own good stocks, NVIDIA, meta, Apple, Tesla, so on and so forth.

And a mill, 10%, like I said earlier, will make me 100K in a year, 10% on a good year. That compounding matters. But if you have 10, 20, 50 grand, it's just going to take you a long time to make any sort of returns that can change your life. Interesting. So, but yeah, like what really, in terms of like, because a lot of people, when they go and work for a big investment firm or whatever, They're trading, but they're leveraged because they have access to the funds of the company that they're working for, right? So they're able to invest a lot more. But are there actual benefits to trading a million dollars a day versus $100,000?

Or is it just 10x $100,000? I want you to answer that. But one thing you said that I want to counter. You said there's a benefit to working at an investment bank because you have leverage of the company's money. That's what you're saying. Right. Well, I'm just kind of wondering if those, yeah. Okay, the only issue, we have clients that used to work at Merrill, Schwab, Goldman, Citadel.

Because when they were working at these companies, they cannot trade their own money. Why? Because they have the insider edge. Right. So working makes, for an investment bank, doesn't benefit you as much as you think because you can't even use, you can't trade. Right. So you're learning stuff, but you're still making the company super rich with whatever strategies. but you can't use it for your own money. So now they've left and they're like,

dude, Cam, like, we want to trade with you because we know these strategies, but we couldn't do it. And now we can. Okay. But is there a benefit to trading with a mill versus $100,000? Talk about why, like, you know how we talk about,

basically, like we don't need to get bigger returns because we have more money. Talk about that. All right. So whether you had $100,000 a mill or $10,000, right, that's the same mindset of long-term investing, long-term trading and long-term capital, right? returns being 10% on the S&P.

What are we trying to compete with ourselves? Really not the S&P. So if I'm trying to trade with $100,000, what's 10% of that? $10,000. So if I can just bring back $10,000 a week, risking $100 of my capital, I think that I can do that without having to risk the whole $100,000. Right? I can risk $2,500 or $5,000 of that, right?

Only what is that 2% to 5% of my portfolio, which is what we teach our mentees in the group. You should not be trying to full port. Full porting means just going all in on one trade and trying to get the most out of it, right? It's about compounding these trades over and over again on a weekly, monthly, quarterly basis. So a lot of people are so used to seeing what they see on social media, all these trade gurus talking about 100%, 500%, 100%, 100%,000% return on a trade. And that's what they're chasing is that short-term gratification, that instant gratification, where they can feel happy in the moment, right? And then they'll try that same strategy again, and they'll probably end up back at square one.

More times or not, you're not going to beat the house. You're literally gambling at that point. So if you can come in with the right mindset of I'm going to risk only X amount, and this is what I'm looking to get in or get out of it before I enter the trade, right? It's all about having a plan before getting into it. Right, not going in a clueless, hopeless, or hopeful. You have to know if I'm getting in this trade, this is going to happen. Right.

Otherwise, I'm not trading. And I'll say this too. The benefit of trading with a million over a hundred grand. Those are both good numbers, but one is much bigger. What is the benefit? Is that we can, we don't have to play with a scarcity mindset. So for example, if somebody comes in and they're like, Cam, I only got like $500 to trade with. Well, dude, I mean, if you put $100 in.

to a trade, you might make $15. Even if you double your money on that trade and get 100% return, which he said is it's very hard to do. We do it sometimes. We don't do it all the time and we don't try to. But if you have little money, we do it pretty often. But if you have a small amount of money, even if you get 100% return on a trade, you just made a hundred bucks on $100, $100,000, 100 times two, right?

But let's say we have 100 grand. Well then if I put 10 grand in a trade, which is only 10% of my portfolio, which is still a lot, like you said, two to five percent is better. But let's say we have full conviction. We're like, yes, let me put 10 grand into this trade. If we double it, we just made 10 grand. We're good for the week. Or if you just made 10% or 25%.

I just made 2,500. On 10 grand, though. You see, if we do that percentage on a small number, it's not enough for these people to change their lives. That's why with stocks, if you have small amounts of money, stocks won't do anything for you. Right. But okay, is the software that you use or whatever,

when you do the trade, They take a small percentage as a fee, right? No. They don't. So who, who? The brokerage? Yeah. Yeah, every brokerage takes, you know, a penny percentage.

But when you have a million versus $100,000, is the fee a smaller percentage of the total that you're investing? I think it's the same across the board. It's kind of set. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So here's how our software works.

We allow, we know most people are too busy to trade. Right. Okay. We also know most traders on the internet cannot trade, which is why we came on here. and right away showed you one account that has done 114% year to date, which means we've over doubled our money year to date and we'll probably finish at what this year, 150K? That's plain lightly. Lightly.

I want 2.250. 2.250, which means, yeah, the returns would be absurd. But the point is, most people don't have the time to trade and most traders on the internet cannot actually trade. What we've created is a system that ties us to our clients. What that means is this. Do you know what an API is? Advanced Protocol Index. I think you might have the acronym right. But basically what it means is I'm tying your account to mine through technology.

So every trade that I enter here, you enter but proportionally to your budget automatically. Example, I have 100K in my account and I put 10K into a trade. You have 10K in your account. It'll put 1K into that same trade. When I sell, it'll sell for you too. That's what our technology allows to happen. And it's fully SEC compliant. and it's U.S. options.

So it's not Forex or other markets where they're unregulated crypto. You can just get rug pulled and screwed over right on a coin. We can't screw you over on meta. The technology ties your money to me like a real hedge fund so you can follow our trades at your own disposal. For sure. Okay. So how long were you doing this before you decided that you were successful enough

and knowledgeable enough that you could start, you know, helping other people? When did that element of it come in? And how did that sort of prosper and develop? started trading in 2017. By 2021, we were doing mentorship. And then in the past two years, we found the software partner. So that's the biggest thing I want to say. We used to try to develop this software because we had this idea and it was very hard to do until we realized we don't need to develop the software. Someone else has it. And now we partnered with them to be able to offer it to

everybody. That was as of two years ago. Okay. And so then how do you end up like getting clients or Like how many clients do you have at any given time? We have over a thousand right now. I'm going to look at the exact number. We've over a thousand clients right now. And some, I would say eight out of ten pick software because they're like, we don't have the time to trade. Trade for us.

Two out of ten people, though, they want to learn. They're like, dude, I have the time. I have time to sit down in the morning. I'm either retired. I'm an older guy or I just lost my job or whatever it is. And like I kind of want to learn trading. Those people come in and they learn our strategies. We have three study sessions a week where we teach them our strategies.

They can copy our trades manually. We post all of our trades that we do so they can get in and out. And then obviously we have our software which automates it for you. But how do we get clients? Podcasts, Instagram, YouTube, word of mouth, referrals. We have a huge referral network because when people start to make money with us, they want their friends and family involved. Right.

Yeah. So, okay, like you're telling us that this one in particular did 114%. this year but I mean there's got to be bad years or bad months or whatever like how does that look and is that difficult for your clients at times when things are a little rocky at times so we're really big on customer support and customer success which are two different things we don't have bad years we have bad months so in March we were down like 30k yeah it was that 25 was 125 and 128. Then when the war started

literally of February 3rd or February 4th, boom, everything just got down. And I swear to you, on the 31st of January or something like that, I told everybody, I need all of you guys to exit your positions now. I don't care if you're down right now, it's going to get worse. And it sure as hell once February 3rd or 4th came,

that market just dumped, dumped, right? So that was a moment where like you said, a lot of panic happened because it's swing trading. So they're so used to something happening instantly that they're trying to cope with the emotions I come with watching it. Their 10K dropped from 10 to 6

in a matter of a day. Right. Right. So now they're wondering, does this trade even going to work? Like, what is this? This is a scam, blah, blah, blah. And me having the experience

and trying to tell them, hey, this is totally normal. This is why we only risk X amount. So when these days come, we are prepared for it. Whether we were prepared prior to that and shorter the market or when that drop happens. And if there's like all the technical stuff of support and all this stuff like where the prices used to be at or if it went to a lower price, then that determines do we add more to this, right? So if meta dropped, if you invested in it at $300 and it ran up to $700 and it finally dropped, back to 500, that's a good price zone to be buying in again.

Right, but a lot of people, when it's at 700, they get kind of married to that amount. Exactly. And all of a sudden, they feel like, oh, I've taken this huge loss, even though they're still in the profit. Exactly. So that's the whole thing about swing trading, it's having that same investment mindset instead of it being on a day-to-day basis. We're seeing it on that type of level.

So then when those drops happen, we have enough capital in our buying power to buy more. Just in case from when those days happen. Right. Because they can and will happen. Right? And it's about understanding the market, understanding that your candles, the indicators, whatever that case may be, knowing how to utilize them. And after that, it's just being disciplined. Because a lot of people, they see it working. Now they're going to increase their size. Now they're going to go even harder trying to get bigger gains. And that's the hard part for a lot of new people. Experienced traders know that. They know to keep their R.O.Is on each trade consistent, consistent, consistent, adding it up, compounding, compounding. That's another reason why trading with small amounts of money, you've got to be right quicker. You can't average down like we're talking about, meaning average down means when trades are gap down.

We can add more, just like you add more on Bitcoin when it dips. It's the same concept and the same mindset. Bring your average cost down. Bring your average cost down. But if you have no money, you don't have enough to average down. But if you have 20, 30, 40, 50K, then you can handle the storm and you can put more money into trades because our predictions are right they're just not right yet so that's why yes we've had bad months we've yet to have a losing quarter we did 400% in Q1 what do you think this

quarter will end up well is there a way to hit that three-month mark that's on a screenshot but I'm gonna just pull this up I mean at this quarter I think we're only up like 20s only up yeah I think we're up like 20 30% 30% so that's what I'm saying like that's where I'm trying to think as a trader if I was new to this how am I going to make 100x or excuse me 100% in a year right can I get 10 to 15% or 20% in a month I that's a wish that's a that's a hope right but how do I do it so that's when they come to mentorship or they sign up with a software and let us handle it on our own so at this quarter and then how many

how many months we have left for like a couple weeks. We'll still be at that 30% mark, if not 40. And most people are doing 7% a year in the S&P. But it's not that the S&P is bad. It just doesn't make sense unless you have a lot of money already. To make 7% a year on even 100 grand, you made $7,000 over the whole year. You make that in a day.

Well, so when you look at the day trader idea or just being a stock trader in general, I feel like there's a lot like commonplace wisdom that people have, which is like nobody's profitable as a day trader, 95% of people fail at it, et cetera. Like how do you sort of combat that sort of thing? I know you said on another appearance that I saw that it was like basically just misinformation that you don't think that's actually accurate?

No, 99% of traders fail. One, I'll let you put your reasons too. But for me, what I've learned is that you're picking the wrong strategy for your life. That is why I was very fortunate to know what swing trading was in 2017. Because all I had heard about in 2017 was day trading and people losing money and I'd never wanted to touch it So when I saw my sales manager, he was like, yeah, I swing trade. So bro, we can enter a trade Go work and then in two weeks this shit will come true and we'll make money. I'm like, what? Okay, interesting That made sense for my life and my busy job

If you have a busy career, we work with a ton of engineers Finance guys IT guys doctors attorneys these people are busy. They don't have time to watch the charts so they either swing trade with us through our mentorship manually or they just use the software and let us trade for them. But picking the wrong strategy is why people fail. What are some other reasons why over over leveraging? I mean over leveraging. Not staying disciplined for getting the big picture. Like I said, they have the mindset that I need this money today.

Right. And why people lose so often is that they trade every single day. You know, you're not going to get the same movement every single day. You're not going to go in the same direction every day. Right? There might be some weeks. There is just trending and that's just the direction is going. Good luck or moral power to you.

But there are those times when it's bouncing around, going in one direction, going the other direction in the span of a five minute candle, right? So it's all about just trusting the strategy, sticking to one that works. Not strategy hopping. That's a problem. That's what it is. So once you see something working, they think that they can add to it or go try to it. try other strategies and figure that out.

And that's where they start combating with themselves or this each other strategy, wondering which one works more than the other, right? Reason being that me and a couple of other members are mentors because we've already been through that. We've already experienced that, trying different strategies, bouncing around. We've touched the stove. That's just hot. Like you don't want to find out.

But if you don't listen, you're going to find out. I don't know how many times we've told our members. but it's it's the same thing I say in the group. You know, F around to find out. You don't believe me? I've been through it. Six, seven years into it. I've seen it all.

Not obviously there's so much more that I've probably missed beforehand, but I've seen different markets, the end of Trump's market. There's beginning of Biden's and throughout his whole tenure. Now Trump being back, right? And on top of that, I had to study and learn and find out about what happened with other. administrations, other people in charge, right? Anytime I get into complaint meta, Google,

Nvidia, Tesla, I'm not just looking at it from this past week, this past month, I'm looking at it for the past five years, past 10 years, past 20 years. However long they've been doing their thing, that's where the whole investment mindset comes into it. Why am I getting with this company? Why am I trading this company? Right? What am I supposed to, what am I expecting to get out of it? That's the whole part of having a plan before getting into it. But most people don't. They're coming into this, with that same gambling mindset because of Cal She, all these different polymarket. Right, because now for the average person, it's like betting markets and stock trading and gambling are like almost completely.

So mainstream. It's impossible to sort of even tell the difference. Exactly. It's funny even when you're watching the UFC and they have like an ad for steak and then they have an ad for polymarket. And it's like these are kind of the same thing. Literally the same thing. So that's what I'm saying.

There's so many distractions. Instant gratification. being thrown in your face that that's all you know or that's all you want to even allow yourself to see you're not even thinking about all the people like the Warren Buffett's that are just quietly getting money in the background while you could throwing all your money away trying to gamble your life to freedom there's people that are eating off of that off of your desperation for sure and so okay there's like your business model is basically to mentor clients that come to you and basically show them how to do this themselves but like a lot of people in you

you guys' position would have like a fund that they just like buy into. What's the advantage over the method that you guys have chosen in that regard? So we are going to have a fun long term. Right now we're in the process of getting our Series 7 and 65. We should actually have it by the end of the year latest. And then because we already have a lot of accredited investors as clients, they're just going to get transition to the fund and then we can charge a performance fee. But right now, performance fee meaning we'll take, I don't want to say the percentage now,

we'll take a percentage of profits that we make because we will also put our money in with them. That's how a real hedge fund operates. But as of now, we have the ability to work with unaccredited investors, which is more people and impact more people and teach people with 10 to 20 grand with their name. I'm sorry, 10 to 20 grand to invest, how to trade, or the software we have is SEC compliance. So we can do the hedge fund that we always wanted to do before even having our licenses simply off of our track record. That's why people sign up for us.

They could give a shit that we passed a test and got a Series 7, but legally this is the way we do it right now. It's through the software. And eventually we'll still do the software, but we'll also have the fund, which is a real license hedge fund, performance fee, you know,

10 million or more under management. Right. Okay. Interesting. So like another option, like that people who are interested in what you guys are offering, like another thing that probably a lot of people who are sort of low information or just getting into this that they would consider putting all their investment into is crypto.

I have friends who seemingly, you know, their whole thing is that they just get on social media every day and just say positive things about crypto and say crypto's going, Sean Cotton, shout out to you, crypto is going to a million. And I'm just like, okay, like, you can say that, but you don't have any control over that. I don't really think that like, you know,

like I think being diversified and having money invested in crypto makes sense, but telling people to put all their money in crypto to me is absurd. It's kind of bizarre. Like what would you say like the pros and cons of doing what you're doing versus crypto and are you guys invested in crypto as well? Yeah. So I invest in crypto. I've made over half a million in crypto, but you need to understand most people, the way they trade crypto is they try to like be an angel investor in tech. They want to bet on a lot of things and hope it works. Okay. Which angel investing in tech works, but once again, the people that are able to do that have a lot of money to play with. So not anybody can just walk into Uber's office and say,

hey, I want to be an early investor in Uber, right? You have to be connected and you have to be accredited and you have to have money. Most people treat crypto like that. Because it's not regulated, anybody can invest in 20 coins and pray to God it works. But the way I made money in crypto was, one, just buy and holding Bitcoin. I've been doing that since 2017. Okay, I bought four Bitcoin at 4K and I held until it was about 90 and then I sold them all. Right. So now I'm re-buying, right? I'm buying at 60. And I'm continuing to play that cycle. But I'm not gambling on random meme coins like most people are doing because realistically, the people making money in meme coins, they are sitting behind a screen for 18 hours a day and manipulating shit by the

minute and everybody over at the end of it all. I can't do that on Tesla to anybody. I can't rug pull Tesla. I can't rug pull meta. The stocks that we trade are blue chip stocks. So the benefit of investing in crypto is if you are doing it correctly, you should be buying Bitcoin every month if you can and trying to just keep buying and playing that game in the market. Why? The same reason we trade options, meaning Bitcoin is predictable. Every four years, the peak is bigger than the last low. So as long as you understand that and you're willing to wait, even when I ask him, I'm like,

how should I buy more Bitcoin right now? He's like, as long as you can not touch it. And I'm like, yeah, I don't need to touch this money. So it's a good long-term investment. It is. But crypto as a whole sector, I would be very careful with the coins that you're in. Because I made money on Bitcoin. I made money on another coin a long time ago.

But I'm not over here just putting my money in a bunch of different cryptocurrencies and hoping they work. It kind of, I feel like the average person as well as myself kind of has the feeling of like, we've got Bitcoin, we got Ethereum, we got a handful of other ones that seem like they're probably going to retain most or more value going forward. But I feel like the whole idea that, you know, your favorite celebrity was going to start a crypto coin and it was going to become huge. That feels like it's kind of over.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. Danzo. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I guess like the other things that you could kind of compare

stock trading to would be something like real estate or something like starting a hamburger restaurant or whatever. And like, you know, I've seen a lot of people, like notably Graham Stefan, who does the ice coffee hour. He was like recently had an episode where he basically explained that he basically dumped all of his real estate investments to just take his money and put it in the stock market because there was just too much liability, too many costs associated with real estate. It just wasn't really working out as well as he thought it might. And then meanwhile, stock trading is like, you know, typically pretty consistent. And there's just not a lot of like secret fees or anything.

Like, you know, if you own a bunch of real estate, you're getting. sued. If you're a landlord to a couple hundred people, I mean, you're getting sued sooner or later and that might just like eat up all your profits for the year. What do you think about those other sort of alternative options? Graham Steffen also knows Chris Camillo, who is the author of one of my favorite books ever, laughing at Wall Street. Chris Camillo trades like we do. He's swing trades. So we've learned a lot from him. I like his stuff. Graham is correct in the sense of the people, and my uncle, by the way, is a decommillion. in real estate. So I know from experience in the family, but he also invests in our trades,

right? There's a reason why. It's because real estate takes a long time to make money, and it requires a lot of capital. Yes, there are people out there that's like, oh, zero money down, house flipping, whatever. I'm sure those options do exist, but there's always something about it where it's not what you think it is. So even for me, as somebody who, at this stage, I make about $6 million a year net, I'm barely getting into real estate, and it's for tax purposes. Meaning it's not for cash flow, like I'm hoping to like have 15 Airbnbs and they're all going to pay me and the toilets aren't going to break and, you know, shitty tenants. Like, I don't want to deal with all that. I'm doing very specific real estate things

that will allow me to reduce my overall taxable income instead of having to move to Puerto Rico for no reason. That's my goal with real estate. But I think it's funny because a lot of our clients are real estate people too. I'm actually, I'm going on a pod next week called the broke millionaires. There was a reason they call themselves that. On paper, they They are millionaires, but they want to take some money and put it into what I have. And that's why I'm going down on their pot in the second time, for the second time, because they know that they need cash flow. And real estate only produces cash flow if you have a lot of real estate, meaning, bro,

Cole Gordon, I don't know if you know who that is, runs a $50 million company in the internet space. He bought 50 properties and was like making like under 10K a month. It's just like you need 50 properties to even do 10K a month. That's insane. Like, where, like, we can make 10K a month just from making good predictions in the stock market. Yeah, because, like, sometimes I do a little bit of homework for, like, my neighborhood, and I look up the house prices. And sometimes I'm just kind of, like, in awe of what my mortgage looks like.

And then I sort of, you know, do some Googles and, like, figure out what the average rent is and stuff like that. And I'm kind of left with the conclusion of, like, you know, renting out my house would, like, would be, like, a pretty tough investment, you know? And maybe there's parts of the country where it makes more sense. But I feel like that mentality or that business model in a market as competitive as Los Angeles is just very difficult to pull off. And a lot of people that I kind of look at as mentors, like for instance, my friend Vlad TV, who everybody watching this is going to be familiar with, he's somebody who I remember having a conversation with him. And this might have been like seven years ago when he was like 45. And he was like, yeah, I don't even own a house. He's like, I just have all my money in the stock market.

And to me, it's a much better option. I believe he owns a home now. But that kind of blew my mind, that he was so confident about the stock market. But he always says that, yeah, he made money that he could then invest in the stock market through YouTube. But then ultimately, like, YouTube is just not like the foundation of his wealth. The foundation is the fact that he has been consistently putting money into, you know, blue chip stocks for the past 10 or 15 years. And that's the reason why he's a wealthy man that could probably retire tomorrow if he wanted to.

Have you noticed no one says, dude, I got rich from buying a house. No, they're rich and then they buy a house like Vlad or they're super middle class and are paying a mortgage that they can barely afford and can't do shit with their lives. Right. That's why the middle class is the middle class. It's because their decision making doesn't actually align with the people they want to be like. So I realized that early on when I was working in corporate. I was like, damn, I'm 23. I make $150K a year.

And all my colleagues are 30 to 35 years old making the same amount of me, same amount as me, which makes me feel like they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Why am I here 10 years before them? So they, and they used to give me advice. They used to say, yeah, Cam, like, you know, just save your money, invest in S&P, max out your 401K, buy a house. I'm like, why? So I can be like, you guys?

Because I clearly got me, like, you're in the same place as me and you're 10 years later than me. So I knew there was something wrong with that puzzle. And yeah, like Vlad is, like I just said, people stay in the middle class because they do the 401K, the S&P 500, buy a house, and then have very little cash to even do riskier things that actually make you money. Look at yourself. You live a very risky life. And you make a ton of cash because you took risks. How long did it take before no jumper worked?

Well, I mean, to be honest, I ran like a BMX platform for like 10 years. and then at a certain point, I was just able to, like, pivot away from bike riding to hip hop and, you know, internet culture as a whole. And that really was really kind of like shockingly quick. Like within the first year, it was like a pretty cool business. And then maybe, you know, a couple years later after that, it was like starting to look even more serious. But for sure, you know, there's a lot ups and downs and a lot of volatility. You know, like we've had like one year. If you were to look at how much we made every year, it was just like one year during COVID where it was just so much higher than we ever made any other year.

after or before and you know it's just kind of all over the place but the the BMX business you were the owner yeah okay so meaning you were a business owner and did you have your money did you own a house at that time no did you have a 401k no did you have index fund investments hell no that's my point so that's why you're where you're at is because you had money to try things that made more sense because higher risk often equals higher reward so people tie their money up in things that are way too safe even though that safety is actually preventing you from growing. You can't have it all. You can't have safe, safe, safe without any downside. And the downside is not being able to take risk to become financially free, have location freedom in your life where I can travel, work from

anywhere. That's another thing about options. You can do this from anywhere in the world, right? You can do it in Spain. You can do it in Florida. Doesn't matter to me. Doesn't matter to the market. They love it. And that's what like to a lot of people, that's something that I probably take it for granted and you take for granted is that, you know, I can go do whatever. Like I could go to Florida tomorrow or I could go to Puerto Rico tomorrow and be able to operate my business.

Well, largely besides like the actual interview part from other locations. But to a lot of people, the fact that they have to go and sit at a desk in an office is like the number one thing that is making them depressed and that they hate about their life. And that like that's freedom from that is probably more important to people than the idea of like, oh, I'm going to be able to own a Lambo one day or whatever. It's like they want freedom from being a cog in the machine.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I wanted. I wanted time freedom, location freedom, and day-to-day flexibility, which is a different thing. Time freedom means why am I waking up at six to commute to get to my job at 8.30 to already be exhausted in the first two and a half hours of the day? Then, why do I have to live in San Francisco where the ratio is seven to three? And there's no opportunity to find a quality mate. Luckily, I did, and I'm about to propose in a couple weeks.

But she even knows it. She's like, there's no bad bitches here. I'm like, what the fuck's going on? So that's the second thing. And the third thing is day-to-day flexibility, which means can I go to the bank before they close at five or will my boss yell at me for leaving at four? Can I go get a haircut or do I have to wait until the weekend? What's the vibe here?

Can I take paid time off or just like work remote for a little bit because I want to go see a new city? Or are you going to piss me off and say, I can't do that? Right. Those things you can't have in corporate for the most part. Yeah, definitely. Okay, so I'm trying to outline this for like the average person who's watching this, which I would say, you know, average no-jumper fan is probably like in their 20s,

maybe like early 30s, and maybe they make 50K or 100K a year, and maybe, you know, a decently large percentage of that is tied up in their living expenses, their rent, their car payment, et cetera. if you were one of those people watching at home, how would you recommend that they get into investing in the stock market? And how should their lifestyle adjust to that? Because I'm personally somebody who is a big believer in like, if you don't have any expandable income,

you should basically be taking like all of your time and putting it into additional side hustles. I know like myself personally, if it made sense for me, I would be driving Uber. I would like, if I needed to get an extra 5K to invest, yeah, I'm going to drive Uber until I get that 5K and I'm not going to, I'm going to sleep less and I'm not really have any hobbies or a dating life or whatever. Like I really believe that to set yourself up for the future, especially when you're young,

it makes more sense to just grind your ass off, especially when you're young, you have that energy. And there will come a time where you have kids and you have additional responsibilities or whatever where a lot of those things aren't options. But for people who are in that sort of position where maybe they don't have a large amount of money to invest or anything, what would be your plan for them? If they don't have a lot of money to invest? Yeah, if maybe they only have, you know, a couple grand or whatever,

but then they're looking to do something with it and then also they're probably trying to, you know, create money elsewhere that they could invest. I actually, I understand your mindset on I would do Uber and that there's nothing super wrong about that. I would do it differently. I would do it the way I did it. Right.

Well, there probably are options that would be a little bit more like skill oriented that I could probably find along the way. But yeah, that kind of comes to mind for like the average person is like if you just are trying to get an extra 5K this year to invest, Uber might be a lot of their best option. It might be, but here's the thing. If people don't have money, it is a skill issue, right? They don't have a high income skill.

So how do you get a high income skill? First of all, what I did is I was like, okay, I work in tech, but like this is all I kind of know. And I have money saved, but not enough. And people sit on their credit and do nothing with it. That's, and people aren't going to give you this advice. This worked for me. So I'm telling you, I make $6 million a year net.

this is where I started. I started by going to the bank and leveraging my 800 credit score. You can also do it with 700. You can also do it with a 650. But if you have shit credit, we need to first repair your credit and then go to the bank and get money from the bank. Here's why. If you have $2,500 or $5K to your name, and that's basically not a lot of money and you can consider yourself broke, I mean, everything's relative, but you can consider yourself broke because you don't have enough money to do the things you want to do. Why don't you go to the bank and use your credit score to get money. I did it with Wells Fargo, Bank of America, US Bank, Chase and Amex. They gave me $92,000 nine years ago. I used that to get access to mentors, get access to networking groups, and get access to communities that were out of my league. Then I learned how to be a high-level person and make money and have high-income skills. So use the credit that you built. There's a reason it's called credit. They're saying, here's credit. I can give you money now because you have good credit. There's no point in sitting on an 800 or 700 credit score and not using it just to brag to other middle class people that you have a good credit

score. Use your credit, use leverage. Now, you're probably like, Cam, isn't that risky to borrow money? With respect to what? You're already broke. Amex isn't the mob. They're not the cartel. They're not going to break your legs. They're going to call you a few times and give up. Then your credit goes back to where it was before, which was dog shit. And you can play the game again. Donald Trump went bankrupt three times. I knew that going in. So I was like, Let me borrow because the worst thing that happens is I'm back to where I started. But people don't have the mindset to evaluate what risk actually means. Risk is not as scary as what you think it is most of the time.

Why do you think people don't approach women in coffee shops? They're scared. Okay. Of what? Fear of rejection, yeah. Who the-f? That's the ultimate thing you have to get over as a guy if you want to be able to approach women is you have to realize that there's nothing wrong with getting rejected.

And same thing with interviews. my boy Vladdy always brags. He says, I have taken more rejection than almost anybody else who does what I do because I'm willing to hit up 100 people to get an interview and four of them say yes and the other 96 ignore me or disrespect me or whatever. Like getting used to being rejected, a huge part of becoming successful. I lost 300 Gs before I ever made a mill. People aren't willing to lose 5K to make 100.

Like they're just, they look at risk as this thing that is so scary and they're so emotionally tied to it. And the way to get out of that mindset is literally realize that everybody else feels the same way as you. And I'll take it back to like a dating example. When I was living in San Francisco with the garbage ratio that I keep talking about and the one chance I saw a girl that looked good, I was like, okay, everybody else is probably scared to talk to her too. If I do this, I'm the man, regardless of whether I win or lose. And when you rewire that and you go do it and you realize it's way better once you open your mouth, it's just way better as soon as you open your mouth, you feel way better. Regardless of where it goes, you're like, at least I did it. At least I did it.

That's the mindset people need to have with their lives. Take action. Take risk. Realize it's not going to be the end of the world. And you'll start to make progress in the right direction of where you want to go. But most people just think about things forever and don't do shit. And don't just take the risks, but force yourself to become as knowledgeable as you possibly can about that. So that the next time that you take a risk, you're going to be even more prepared to make an intelligent decision for sure.

100%. Definitely. So, okay, what should they do? Like what would they if they want to work with you, if they want to be mentored or whatever, like how do they reach out to you? What's the protocol look like? Yeah. We're going to put a Discord link in the description. It's free for a week. So literally there is no risk talking about risk. There is no risk to come in. We have three study sessions a week that you can come to. So for the first week, they're all free. You come learn from him and our other traders on our team. We have four traders on the team total. Okay. Learn our strategies. Watch us trade. Take trades with us if you want. If you don't want, that's okay. Talk to our clients. Talk to them.

We'll make introductions for you to people that have been here for years. Okay? And decide if this is something that is for you. No hard feelings if you don't want to. I host a webinar as well every Wednesday at 7 p.m. central time. You can get access to it by joining the free Discord. And then I'll have my Instagram link in the Discord as well. Profit with Cam.

So profit with KAM. And then his IG. Nomads Manifesto. Nomads Manifesto. N-O-M-A-D-S manifesto, and we'll put it in the description as well. Yeah. Definitely. Damn, okay, you're getting motivated and I'm getting inspired.

I feel like I got to get a little bit more serious about my investment career. We can help you think about it. Like, like I said, on the long-term aspect of things like meta, like who are they invested in? Think about what, like if you were to the real estate thing, who got paid, even if the home isn't sold. Right. The people who built it. So the same thing. That's where I teach them.

supply chain things right so who's invidia getting all their stuff from who's helping build their shit who's doing what right where's our money going follow the money right so like that's the part of the motivating aspect like you're saying is like okay like i'm gonna get into this but i really want to know what the hell is going on and before i even get into this but you'll most of those people are going to find out once he started coming to those webinars the mentorship sessions all those things like that. So it'll be fun. For sure.

Definitely. All right. Well, yo, it was great getting to know you guys. Let's definitely stay in touch because I'm trying to get a little bit more aggressive with my stock trading career.

We'll make it super digestible and as hands off or hands on as you want it to be. Fire, man. Yeah. I got to watch more of you guys as podcast appearances to see a little bit more of the specific like details too. I'll send you like the webinar we do on Wednesday like the recording.

Yeah, I would love to see that. And it will break down literally everything and show all our accounts and all the cool stuff. Sick. So yeah. Amazing. All right. Appreciate you guys and your time.

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