No Jumper - Katie Got Bandz on Being a Drill Pioneer, Filing Bankruptcy, Nicki Minaj Collab & More

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. I'm in here today with my man, Remo, and we're sitting down with... Katie! You feel me? The one and only Katie got bands in the building. How you feeling? I feel good. I'm honored to be here.

Well, you need to know, first and foremost, that in this building, we respect Katie got bands. We're all big fans of your music and everything over the years, so, yeah. Vice versa. Oh, yeah? It's a legendary one right here. You know what I'm saying? I've been waiting to get this one. And I'm like, damn, we got Katie today.

Come on, that's legendary. Yeah, I still remember, like, going down the rabbit hole once I first, like, kind of got interested in drill when Sosa was coming out and then finding you and just being like, holy shit. These Chicago kids are fucking crazy. She got a gun in the video. That was a prop. Yeah, all right, for sure. We know there's no handguns floating around Chicago or anything like that. But anyway, welcome to No Jumper.

Thank you all for having me. For sure. All right. So we got to go from the very beginning. So tell us about your upbringing. We've got to do the story of Kiti Gub bands from the get-go. Well, I started rapping in 2011. You know, I caught the beginning of the wave.

Okay. My generation with trail music or whatnot. Wait, but how old were you when you started? I was 17 when I created. I needed a hitter. Okay. But I was 18 when we released the song. Okay.

Wait, but so you're from the IWO's ability? Yes, I'm from 39th Street, Brunsville. And what was, do you have both parents around, or what was the home situation like? My father was incarcerated. Okay. He did 27 years. He home now, but my mother, I was raised by a single mother. Uh-huh.

Okay. And was there a lot, 27 years? Yes. What do you do? Something bad. Murder, robbery, et cetera, et cetera. For sure. Okay, so was there a lot of music in your home as a kid?

yes I grew up like music my family party so I come from a family party and my mother and father's that sounds fun yeah they party they dance they they do it okay so there's always you can break your toe my family going party when your toe get fixed they're going to throw you another party like they find any reason to have a party holy shit what were some some artists that you remember hearing a lot of as a kid what type of music um Young Jeezy, Gucci man, but if you want to go to like Chicago, like Cusha Conflict, do a die, twist of course. Oh, God. Did you know anybody who was rapping?

No, I just started building relationships with these people, like with me being Katie Gabbyans. And I can't leave out of Nicki Minaj. I grew up listening to her as well. Okay, for sure. But so who kind of even gave you the idea to start rapping? Where did that come from? I actually didn't get influenced by artists. I got influenced by Block on the track.

Shout out the Block on the track. My cousin and my producer. Oh, okay. So he was already doing his thing musically? See, he used to rap. He DJ produced. He's an entertainer as well. And that's him yelling on a lot of your classics.

Yeah. Block on the track, then you know, it's a hit all that. I told you I could get a little crazy. Yeah, for sure. So he already had some. artist that he was working with and then did he just kind of say hey i see the potential for you as well yeah because of the lifestyle i was living like he used to be telling me like because i play too much too so and one day i was like i was dating into trouble with the juvenile one day he called

me and my mama used to always take me to my father's sad when i do something and one day he called me and told me to come sit down and do a song and that's how i need a hit it he taught me like the format of song and what an alley of is and the rest was history. So that was your first song you ever recorded? I need to hit him. Damn, so that just took off right then and there. Yes, and I recorded it in his closet.

Like, it was so hard. It was in the summertime, too. It was like before my 18th birthday. And we hit the turn, you know, when you're recording small settings or any setting, you can't have no air. Yeah. Like, oh, we was in that so hot. Were you, what did you mean by I'm a lady hitter?

lady hitter i'm gonna feed me your heller what was a hitter though specifically to you at that time it is the one they target okay literally or metaphorically metaphorically got i haven't hit anyone okay but at that time were you actually dating dudes with dreads because you said i need a dreadhead dude yeah at the time i was but now i'm not dating a dreadhead

you're just not a fan of it at all anymore it just worked out that that's not i mean i can't really say that i'm not a fan of it because you don't know who you would end up dating in the new future, but the type of guys that I liked it in the past, I'm not, I'm, I don't now grown that. Right. Because I mean, in that song, you are kind of describing yourself having very bad taste in men, basically. Yeah. Thank God for growth, right? Thank God for growth. But at that time was that kind of your type, like you were the kind of girl who was basically like, I need a gangster? Yeah, but I do like, have the best with someone who could protect me, though.

You know what I'm saying? But I don't, I don't like boys there be just out here into stuff. Because I don't want to get put in none of their stuff either because I didn't got put up in me and stuff from me dealing with them or for me even being cool or being from where I'm from or anything. So I'm not on it. It's also like as you get older,

it's harder and harder to have dreads. Yes. A lot of men, their hair lines is not going to support that as time goes right. And they so baldhead stressed out. Yeah, like Dreads is very much like a style of the youth. I like them boys up top with them deep waves, whatever Beyonce said. But I like older than me now.

Oh, yeah? Do you have a boyfriend? No, I'm single. That's bad for my image. What, having a boyfriend? Yeah, if they're not on what you want and not trying to uplift you. Live your truth. We want to see you on VH1, just live in your real life.

Yeah, but they have. got to come healed. Because I'm not going, I'm not taking on no one else trauma. I'm not trying on my trauma already enough. And I'm healing on my own. Like so, really? Come healed.

Do I'm going to drag you by your lace for? Wait, so if you're with a guy, is he allowed to cry? Of course. What kind of stuff is cry worthy, though? He may not be no little bitch, though. But I mean, gentlemen, cry. I hear women say that they wanted their men to be open and cry and shit. but kind of feels like a trap.

I feel like you need an extreme level of comfort before you can open up like that. Yeah, because sometimes when they cry, they have mommy issues, daddy issues or like, it depends on what the cry is because if it's crying out for help, I cannot heal you. What if you cried because you spilled something on your $10,000 chrome hard jeans? Who, him or me? Him? That's not going to do it. You're going to cry with some spill milk?

Literally. Those can be replaced. they can be clean. But I mean, some people don't like to be dirty either, but if you're taking it that far to, if someone make an accident and you pop off like that, and then I'm going to have to bring you back down to life. All right.

Well, you're good. You're good. Yeah. Well, I'm glad we got that out of the way. Some relationship advice for all the men out there. I see Remo. He's ready to go. Hey, so where you have,

where y'all filmed that? I need to hit a video at. At Mandrake Park on 39th and Cottage Grove. So I ought to be well. That's over there. Because that's a low end, right? Yeah. Then they to the apartments down or?

Yes. It's, um, it's Oakwood shows up now. But the Ida B Wales, it was like from state to, it's from, it was from state to the late from like, you can say like 36, 37 to 39 from. And then that's like a lot of blocks. So you was actually living in the apartments? So where did you move when they tore them down? My mother still live on 39. She never moved.

Oh, so you just stayed in the 39th area? She never. Like, even when I blew up with music, I used to be exing my mother, but like, do she want to move? She used to say, no, now she want to go. Throughout your childhood was, you know, Chicago as crazy as it is these days? No. No. I grew up in the best ever to be a kid and the worst ever to be an adult.

Really? Like, we really enjoyed our childhood. We sing some things, but these kids, they youth getting stolen from them because they want to grow up too fast. but it's like children are like sponges. They soak up everything that they see, they hear and everything. Like you don't have to pick up a gun. I feel like none of that. You don't have to pop a peel or none, you know.

So that's what you see from that area these days is that the kids are just in a real rush to get to adulthood. Yes, like slow down. I wish I can go back. Yeah. To not having a care in the rural and not have to worry about bills or responsibilities and nothing. I mean, somebody like you coming out rapping at 18 almost seems like on the older side of things since there's somebody like other young drill rappers in Chicago now are like 15, 16 coming out. A lot of times getting killed before they even hit 18.

But see, my definition and their definition of drill may be different because I talk all the ganges of stuff in the real. Nobody died or got harmed because of my lyrics, not even myself. Drilling is a lifestyle for me for them. they're chasing an image and they can't even enjoy when they blow up because they did or they in jail fighting a life senses. You know what I'm saying? And I've been trying to like lead the youth. How do you feel about like some of the people who you might influence to do drills or you know what I'm saying?

They was listening to your music and you said that you never really got in trouble off your music. But someone might have been listening to Katie Got bands when they was coming up. Does that happen? go spin a block Katie that's crazy well I mean if you want to get technical

I kind of sort of do but don't you know because I play a part in it but not necessarily because that's not never the image that I I always later be known that I like

I get I mean I don't gang bang I like guns I say real bitch I don't gang bang I just like guns and my little niggas like shooting they say that shit fun like you know I'm storytelling and my lyrics like they actually out here trying

to prove that they that I don't have to prove to nobody that I'm nothing by myself so the lane that they chasing and the lane that I was in it's not really compatible Was it easy for you to avoid the gang bang and shit?

Not really because you get put in it Yeah. Even if you cool with people. You take a photo with somebody. You're standing there's something in that video. That's why I don't put people on my videos. I don't post photos with people no more.

I'm not shouting nobody out or someone get killed. I'm not posting them. And I just seen enough dead body. Yeah. So, yeah, it's even because like growing, like early on, you're error, whatever. We've seen you with everybody, you know what I'm saying, from both sides.

Pitching with Dirk and Doug and everything. You've been with everybody. So, like, you're saying that right there, hanging out with different crews and shit led to you having to pick a side on one point or was it ever? What side I had to pick? I never picked the side. And I'm still not picking the side. I love both. Like, and what they want to do?

Who will do something to me? But did you feel pressured to, like, be cool? Yeah. People called me on both sides. Yeah. I feel like you being a young girl. Yeah. It was probably a little easier.

And then it's like, even with you, even being a female, they put you in it. But then when you get in it, they say you're just a female stay in a female place, but I never got any. You don't see me. I don't make phone calls. The tongue is powerful. Look at all of the disandead and the trolling. It's not going to stop.

Ain't no killing without killing. There isn't any trolling without trolling. Everybody have a day to laugh and cry. Ain't nothing funny to me about burying someone. So I don't know. This is the most crushed out generation ever. But you knew all that even when you were young, that you didn't have the desire to kind of get yourself mixed up in all this?

No. When did you realize, like, oh, this shit is serious, like, people out here crashing out? Because you said you grew up and you had a good childhood. But, like, what was your first experience? It was like, oh, yeah, this shit right here is too much. It really, really started getting way worse than once. All of the ones who I came up with started dying and going to jail facing life sentences. It's like, and they all just.

talented like I heard their whole life ahead of them and nobody is like the blind leading the blind there isn't any big homies there isn't any structure the inner ones like I grew up of love unity all of that like they be saying controversy sale unity do too like we don't have to be friends we can go rock a show when you go your way I'm going my way because guess what my bar is is co-ed and I'm not sparing nobody if you want to we I'm an entertainer you want to the same we're going to entertain me a little bit. I'm put you in the blender but don't get it twisted for one second thinking that I'm about to let you cause me

my life or my freedom over a song because they're going to move on to the next person after you go on and find somebody else to this is like for what? Are you right? You ain't saying nothing wrong. So like was there any like a specific moment where you was like all right yeah this shit because you just said that uh after losing all these people around you what rappers around you that you lost or you seen and it was like, oh, yeah, like, because you was around everybody from early stages.

All of their deaths affecting me somehow, some way. Like, it gets so deep that our grandparents from both sides, like, great, great grandparents and parents, like, it's a lot of bonds and stuff that's getting tarnished and broken apart because people scared to get their kids. They keep seeing drill music, killed the culture. How my music didn't kill nobody. I influenced. Look at what I'm doing.

Look at the females. I have a legacy. Like if I stop rap it today, my legacy will live on. If I die today, I know I'm going upstairs with that man and I know my legacy will live on. Like, because I'm not just no queen of drill. I'm the queen of everything that I do. I have influence.

A lot of people don't have influence. A lot of people don't have their own identity either. And it be the entourageers. It don't even be the artists and the artists having personal beef. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just hearing you say, I'm like, damn, because like a lot of this, you know, because I see all the. the people that you were around.

I'm like, damn, a lot of people were gone. Like, and everybody from, like, crump to. Yeah, her, like, he'll even duck. Because I remember seeing you with, uh, L.A. Capone, I grew up on. I saw him too. I seen him. Actually, I'm glad you said that. It was like an old tweet where L.A. Capone was, he kind of tweeted out.

He was like, I used to be in the studio with Katie or whatever. I was at his house. I used to be at his house because I hang with his sister's deal right now. Yeah. And he was rapping, like, for he being raw, like, since we was. growing up. And I used to be over there, he was rapping them,

putting freestyles on MySpace and tag back then. And I used to be like, write me a rap. And he was trying to, like, help you get your flowing on that stuff. No, he used to think I was playing.

That's why when I actually did it, and then the song did with it did, he was like, damn, I remember you, he was like, I'm proud or whatever. Is that all?

All right, so there's a viral picture you hold him like, that little pee-pee shooter gun. It was, I don't know, it was like a little crazy gun. All right.

What music video was that from? Is that the I need a hitter? No, let's go in, Shady. Shady, go to D. Gain, shot that. All right, so that video, that picture became like a meme. Everybody used to be sharing that picture, like. Still right now. Still, even until they come up, you know what I'm saying?

Breakdown that day, because you and Shady, y'all don't see out of eye anymore either. Who? You and Shady. Me, I don't see that I. From the last, I seen you on, I think it was maybe J-May interview. You kind of was, like, taking a shot. I ain't beefing with her.

So what was your problem anyway? She's just a hating-ass bitch. I still love him. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. All right, so what did she say? And then it's like, I called you my little sister. You're going to go fuck with my ops, but who would it?

I mean, I'm me. Like, even, and then you going to fuck with my ops didn't even put you where you need to be. Because I had a real relationship before the music or wasn't just music? I was the reason why that video was the way it was. we had a real life sisterhood relationship but I ain't gonna get it to that it is what it is I wish her the best it ain't nothing like because if we see each other right now she ain't gonna run up on me she know better

like and I ain't gonna run up on her but I ain't ducked it either though like yeah because nah I won't point because y'all two are the first people who really kicked off the the drill scene and shit she ain't came with nothing but that that 22nd route that shit hard though still right now it's in the party up, but just need to hear that. What,

what ops was she hanging out with that you were upset about? I'm gonna leave it. Where is that? We gotta do our own homework. We gotta do your own work. Got it. But, okay,

at that time, was that, where did you get that prop gun for that music video? It was on the floor. Oh, you just found it somewhere? It was on the floor.

Was that the only time that you ever pulled a blick out in the video? I don't know No I don't know Because I mean I feel like you even at a young age Had a pretty good head on your shoulders

Like you knew what moves to making stuff So it seems like that might have been something That you kind of Might have realized soon after Like maybe that's not the image I want to put out there I actually hit to start cleaning of my image Like these the other aspects I was seeing when I started paying attention

To the younger generation And I'm steady seeing that I was and compared to what they were doing. And I'm like, oh, no, that's not what I was on. Yeah, I called a gun case, like, right after that video show, right? Yeah, they tried to use it. They tried to use it. They tried.

So how long did you actually have to spend in jail? I burned it right out when I caught the case, like the next day at court after barn court. And as I was fighting the case, I had to check in with pretrial services, and I didn't. And then I caught another case. And then they set me down for 32 days. And then they reinstated my bond. And I got out.

And that's when I needed a hitter was out. They dropped the video while I was incarcerated. And when I was in jail, like, we had two visiting days. And every visiting day I was gone from having visits. And the garage was like, who is this girl? But I fought the case for 60 years. And I beat it. I took it to Ben Stroud.

Shout out to Dan Franks. It was just a gun case and it took six years to beat it. Wow. I was getting frustrated. I wanted to clap out like it was stopping me because I couldn't travel. Then I became a public figure. So if I was to travel, they will find out. It was just a lot like.

Yeah. And to the young girls, stay in a female place, man. Be young as long as you can. To the men, too, don't get caught up. And nothing they got going on because they're going to keep party and they keep living their life. Like nothing never happened. They ain't going to check on your kids, your mama, you're just going to have a birthday and a death day.

They don't give you your flowers or no parties why you're here, but they give you all the parties while you're gone. So is carrying a gun pretty common for women in Chicago at this point? Carrying the gun is common for anybody around the world. But in Chicago, it's kids. 10 years old switches on the internet. I'm like a whole life ahead of them. Yeah, it's wild.

but that's why people with influence have to start speaking up and breaking breaking cycle but do you feel like as a woman it's kind of is it difficult to stay out of that kind of trouble and not for me i'm in my business okay that's why i'm still here yeah yeah how did you get that mentality like look i ain't gonna do all the diss songs and shit because you hanging around everybody who dissing and shit what made you stay away from that i never dissed anybody unless they came directly at me like with the, with entertainment.

Because if you're not a friend of me, you're what, an enemy, right? So I've been seeing the ops all that, and it's never, he had nothing to do with the neighborhood. You were the original ice spice.

Who? Well, like, 10 years after you came out in Chicago, we got Ice Spice in New York, who kind of had the same mentality. I'm going to, like, kind of use the drill sound,

but I'm not going to be on some crazy beef and shit or anything. No, that isn't any beefing, but what do you mean the original? I have my own sound. I can't be duplicated. I'm not saying. No, honestly, you guys sonically, totally different things. I don't know her music.

I don't know her personally. I'm just kind of saying it's sort of similar, though, like, New York got a similarly nonviolent female star. It's kind of similar pattern. I mean, she's a carty drilling. No, she's a gang member. She's drilling. She's not a game member.

She's dangerous. She's a mother. She's a mother. She's pissing on. gang members out here. Nikki make hot music. Who else in New York rapper here? Raping.

How do you feel about female rap just in general? I love it. The females popping it. These men, because the men washed up if they, because even if they're not dead or in jail, they're on their way or they yell out here, strung out. The females is doing it.

I don't like to see them going into the personal stuff were mentioning kids and the other personal shit, but they pop in it. It's like if this entertainment entertain, leave personal, personal, they go for both, like male and female,

but I'm proud of the women because they used to growing up, when I first was rapping, they were seeing in the male dominant, this, this and that. And there's nothing that a man can do that I can't do. I'll pick up a kind of flippy too.

Like, I mean, when you were coming out, it was a lot less common to be a female rapper. Like, it was still kind of like the age of Nikki and then like almost, no other popular rappers

It's time for other women to win. Like, you know what I'm saying? She's still a queen. She's still winning too. But it's time for other women to win too. Yeah, I mean, fast forward 15, 14 years. If you come down to me after the past the torch, what you think I'm going to do? I would love to have one, somebody right here on the side

shining with me saying they might be meaning me or I influence them or however, you know? Is that something you've actually put effort into trying to find a girl to sign? Shit, these look, it's hard. to talk to them. Why you say that?

It's just, baby. They're different. Have you tapped in with any of the new chicks that's rapping and stuff right now from Chicago?

I mean, I support them and I always show love. They be hitting me up and I hit them up, but we never really like, I even take people with me to shows.

Yeah. Everything I talk to them, get them advice, all of that. But Chicago, Chicago different. They don't even care who you is.

They even like, who is you, bitch. I'm a little comedian is even, beef and hairstyle is everything. It's just when you, when you make it there, it's time to go.

Once you got your city, because I got my city, it's time for me to go. Every time I was leaving, I kept coming back. This time, adios. I had the attachment issues. So when you did get your,

all right, so let's take it back some more. So I need a hit a came, out and then after that what was the next song? Riding around the drilling. Riding around drilling. And then the record deal come through? Yeah, so I got signed out two songs. Who you signed to at the time?

I had signed with Lawless Inc. And then I ended up getting a distribution deal. I'll pop out with E1 music but it didn't turn out in my favor. And Popout had Louie on there, right? How did that Louie feature come about?

I was in the studio one day, my mama made me mad. I went to the studio one day, my mom made me mad. And I was in that working on pop out, me and Block. And before we got to think about the second first, because me and Louis were signed to the same label at the time. So a lot of our sessions, we ran into each other. It was like his session was either first and man was second and vice versa.

But he came in. And Black was like, go ahead, Louie, jump on the song. And we played it. He went right in the booth. He freest out four bars. he freestyles his whole verse and that's how they came about like and when did the

the queen of drill title start they started way at the beginning like with I was in the red eye newspaper and I remember shout out the cow red eye and they named me Drillery Clinton First Lady of Drill when I did my

interview and then I came with Beds and hitters that was my very first mixtape and then I came with Drory Clint after and the rest was history. Did you vote for Hillary Clinton? I can't see you who I voted for. That's confidential. I wish he could have got in the office.

But you don't, do you consider yourself a Democrat or a Republican? Neither. I don't get into political stuff. That's probably smart, yeah. If you want to get technical, I'm a Democrat and a Republican. How so? I mean, I'm going to come up from welfare, and now I'm a brand. As you get older, you get a little conservative.

As you get older, you got a little conservative. She wants the tax cuts that a rich person wants, but then she also comes from... I want my link card, too. They cut it. You used to have a free bus access or what? The subway out there? My EBT card. Oh.

They gave me $20 backpack. They took my link and then I was so hurt. They want you to work to receive government benefits. Then when you work, you can't receive government benefits. Oh, yeah. I heard they're about to take a ton of people off of EBT and shit, too. But you know what? A lot of these lazy bitches need to get off their ass.

And it's too. Like so, you know what I'm saying? I feel sorry for the ones who really need the government assistance. So bad for the kids. that part, you know, because it's going to get worse. So they're trying out drilling. When people can't feed their kids or they self, what you think are going to happen.

Yeah, exactly. The hungry, nigs going to be trying to figure out how to eat, right? Definitely. How do you feel, are you here to Aspen, Cartier, the little chick that's coming out of Chicago right now? I don't know. I just, yeah. I actually want to have a sit-down with all of the women in Chicago

who are rapping like panel. What would you have to say to them? Like someone, what would you say to her? She's a wild child. They talented. Like,

you're very talented with your whole life. You don't have to force yourself to be out here in this shit. You don't even have to force yourself to even do substances because I've seen one of her interviews after she was out here with you all.

I saw her seeing how she left work and said so long. I used to do them too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't pay me. I don't even trust doctors. Yeah. But I will just tell her like, focus on being great. When you're gifted and talented, you're going to have a target.

The enemy going to always come after you. Don't let the devil win. I'm not dancing with the devil. I'm dancing on this head. So you think Aspen Cartier might be on the verge of being taken in by the devil? I mean, when you're dealing with substances and all that other shit, I consider that the enemy. So that's the devil to me.

How did you battle with you using substances and stuff? You said you were using it. I have anxiety real big. Like nobody knew I was off nothing unless I told them like, I ain't out. I switch your mouth, twitching something. I really did it. And it was for a cry out for help as well, you know. And one day I just, I started losing people to Fidnaw.

And they scare me. And I just stopped cold-blooded and having withdrawals and stuff. that stuff is serious too. It's a real challenge, but... At that time, how many purse you think you were taking? She, I don't know. Once it got the wind down, I'm doing another. Yeah.

So I don't know. I spent a lot of money, too. How much money do you think you spent? I don't know. Wait, but so if you stopped, when people started dying from Fenon stuff, what was that, like, 2017-ish? That's when I remember that kind of becoming a thing. Then I've been around for it since forever.

Yeah, I guess you're right. I haven't popped a perk to say and shit. When was my DJ Smalls interview? He was on a Perkin or an interview or something? No, I stopped. I talked about my addiction. I'm about to let me see. I'm about to see.

I did the DJ Smalls interview. That was. I stopped. I was right About 10 years ago Does it say nine years ago When I did the interview with him in Atlanta Or so you didn't have to like go to rehab or anything

You just kind of just wound yourself all of it You went cold turkey No I just know I just stopped But having them withdraw Oh That's for real

That's pretty funny Oh sorry but like The DJ Smalley's interview Like the camera settings are all fucked up So it's like you're like fading into the background No that's my very first first one. I didn't, wait, is that,

no, that's not the one that I did in the last year. That's when he was in Chicago. So wait a minute. I did another interview. This is nine years ago and then three years ago. Right. Well, now years ago was when I stopped. And three years ago was when I spoke about it.

Got it. When I was in the line, then yes. Okay, so let's go back to this time period where you're kind of blown up. You get signed and everything. What were you, like, what was the label doing for you at that time? Did it feel like they were actually invested And trying to turn you into a superstar?

Well, you know what I'm saying? I blew up without even wanting to be famous At the time. And then it was like at the moment I did need to help. So my all help isn't good help. But I'm happy that I did go through what I went through with the label because I had a 360 deal. if I touched 50 cent

they got a court like he owned my masters and everything I went to federal court to get out of my contract and I won but at the time I'm not going to hold you the label did what needed to be done but it could have been done better

and even at the time I had tried to go in to renegotiate my contract and he was talking to me like I was a peasant so you had a lot of people taking advantage of you during that time because you being new. And then I didn't understand the business. Like when I signed my contract,

his lawyer was present for the both of us. And you know, that's the conflict of interest. Yeah. And I wasn't aware of that. And then my mother and my family didn't know that I signed the deal. They found out when I was doing an interview

on WGCI. Why didn't you tell your parents that you were about to sign? And how the deal got presented to you where you didn't have any family members around you to walk you through anything? No. Then when I signed again with the other deal, no, my mother called me why I was live on the radio,

but I didn't answer. And when I got off, when I called her back, she told me to bring that paper home. I never gave my mother the paper until I started going through what I was going through when stuff got real. But even when I was asking for my copy of my contract, because I had left it in his vehicle at the time. and, yeah, he had turned my phone off.

It was like around the time I had to do a feature in the video and stuff. He had turned my phone off. And I went and got my phone right on. Shout out to Steve at Exclusive 773. I went and got me another SIM card. And I just started telling people for bookies or whatever. Hit me up. I got on the internet and was trolling saying, fuck the label.

I'm crashing that bitch or whatever. I was hurt. When you say he, who is he? the old manager I ain't gonna say his name because I don't want no legal nothing and nothing I'm rebranding yeah in retrospect though like do you think that you were being kind of irrational because I feel like a new artist in the game yes a lot of times you sign a bad deal but that's kind of the trade that you're

making with the label is that they're gonna invest in blowing you up and you're just gonna be like okay I'm gonna give you a huge percentage of the money but you're gonna blow me up like do you wish that you had just kind of played ball and just tried to... I tried. I even tried to go back to renegotiated. Like, even when my distribution deal with E1, I had found out, I didn't know where my advance was.

My advance was $100,000. I got two, $5,000 checks from him. Oh, so you had a manager that was in the middle of all this that was fucking you were ever? I never was even at the office with the people, like, who wanted to sign me none of that. When they flew to Chicago, I met, shout out to my race

with E1 music. like I met him and you know he was coaching me even with how to do interviews like I still have a relationship with him and his daughter and all that or whatnot but I didn't I didn't know and then when they was asking to see the books yeah at court he couldn't produce what you spend the money on he said full look of flights and I was smaller than this and I didn't had that many videos out. I had a couple videos out of whatnot, but... At the time, you felt like he was the right person to be the manager,

but what made you choose him to be your manager? I don't know. For one, I was excited because I was a King Louis fan. And then I'm like, you know what I'm saying? I always wanted to work with him when I dropped my very first track. So him managing King Louis made you like, all right, I could probably trust him. But once I hit got in and got to seeing what it is in the middle and all of that, like but I can't I ain't gonna hold you though out of all of the managers that I ever worked with

he have done the best work everybody else was just riding my co-tail and coming in and wanted to be the artist real is she still managing king louis or the label whacked up and I'm crashing that big you ain't no cap in my rap when I see it then in inauguration every day is artist is disinemean that I was talking about when I filed a lot of bankrupt. Filed bankrupt. I hit the foul bankrupt to get out of my contract.

Like, Trump filed bankrupt. Where year was that? 2000. I've been out of my contract for nine years now, 10 years now. So, like, 2016 or something? All right, so when you got out of your contract

initially, why didn't you, or did you try to like, all right, let me heat back up and try to get another record due? I dropped D.C. too, in the process of, I was already working on D.C.

too. But he was trying to get me to hurry up to produce another album so he could get more funding when I never even got none of the funding so I was not going. And I tried to renegotiate to try to work it out and they were telling me I didn't have any resources. I don't know any knowledge and that what they thought until it was to the right we got the gun and that's how they went like. So how was filing bankruptcy overall? Did it fuck up a lot of shit in your life? No.

Because it was like wiping the baby ass. But my credit was $750 at the same. And I was crying like I was staying downtown Chicago like. Oh, my credit was $750. I was doing so good. And I didn't want to do it, but I had to. Really? Because it would have been me having to pay them when they owe me.

Right. Damn. So would you say that that the label situation was like the sole reason why you kind of stopped dropping music and sort of, did you fall out of love with making music as a result of all this business shit? I felt like I was just, yeah, it kind of like hearing me at a standstill. And it was like, just imagine having 100 people with you and you by yourself and then when reality hit you in the midst of me, I'm doing it. I had lost my crib at the time. Like everything here started going downhill. And everybody used to be at my house.

And I'm downtown. I'm in the house blasting the music. Kickbacks. But I was young. I wasn't even 21 living downtown. You know, in Chicago, it was just like, it was an eye opener. Like, especially right now because I still here went through similar things prior to now. it took me

damn it 15 years to realize what it is with the industry with the people because people come and be on the stage but they ain't putting in the work

and help and build the stage all those people that are around you in that era they all just seem like cloud chasers at this point they just wanted to I just went through this last week at my release party as well

really wow everybody wanted to be around on the camera's on don't even know I don't even care for cameras in my face. Like that's something I'm coaching myself and learning because I haven't had them many cameras in my face at one time. Like I was telling you, I have anxiety.

But it's like people love when they can be in the center of attention. I don't like attention. It costs to pay attention. I'm a popular owner. Like, I used to be around 100 people. I used to feel like I had to take 100 people with me. I came out here by myself. Yeah, you just said you had 100 people with you,

but you felt alone. So nobody was keeping it real, like, none of your day ones, like. And how are you going to my show and you're ready before me? But when the shoe on the other foot, I'm making sure I'm playing the back. And it's just like, it's a lot of envy and hate and my spirit will not align with it. I feel that.

It's definitely like before you become famous, like your relationships are based on, you know, reality. These are people that you're around. You work with them. You go to school with them. There are people that you know since you're a kid. And then all of a sudden you get, all of a sudden you become someone where standing next to you

has some intrinsic value to them. And then all of a sudden it becomes super hard for you to trust everybody. And yes, it's a very strange thing to go through. through that I feel like most people will never have to go through and won't really understand. But for sure over the years, there's been times where I like looked around the room of people. I'm talking back in the day when I had the straw Melrose and just realize like, like, I don't really like know any of these people around me. They're just here because they're trying to be around me.

And I'm just letting them. And it's like, why the fuck am I allowing this type of shit? I never really had to go bad that much. But like, it definitely is kind of just stupid. to be like bringing all these people around that don't really give a fuck about you. And people, I was allowing people to tarnish my brain. Hmm.

But people only do what you allow. So if I'm allowing you to do it, how would you respect it? What do you think some things that were done to tarnish your brands by other people? Like something that you're like, yeah, I... Fighting at my shows. I was messing up the bag for you to tour or...

Yes, but like, don't get me wrong. If somebody act up and they try, to charge at me or one of my people they're supposed to defend they said but you don't supposed to be down there in the crowd anyway you supposed to been up here on the stage with me I had just gave one of the girls the microphone and said be the hype girl you know all the songs you won't get paid they want to go in the crowd and twerk and you look up they fight now follow me then you go on the shows they're telling you you only can bring

five people, ten people possibly in and when they're telling everybody else they gotta pay. Everybody ain't trying to pay no watch how I pay my back in to get people in my shows and went home with nothing. Yeah.

They drink up to liquor. I get everybody drunk in high on the regular. You know what I'm saying? Like, no. That's why this run personal. It's between me and God. Do you feel like you're at the start of a whole new run right

I am. Nice. It's everything from scratch. I just stepped out on faith. I dropped a project with no budget, no team, no promo. Sorry for the Kate. Sorry for the Kate. Yeah, I dropped it last Thursday, 10, 23, 25.

Yes, I stepped out on faith. And because of all of these years, when I try to allow people to step me and help me, they want to compare me to other artists. They want to say, you need to do a. song like this person like everybody who you could parents me too I influenced so I had to tune all the noise out what made you finally get back into like all right I'm ready to drop who was who was in your corner like telling you I was me God I was isolated like still isolated right now like I fast I got baptized again at sunrise service even the kids was out there going crazy

you're saying I'm getting baptized with Katie Abbies or whatever like when you keep God first everything else is going to fall suit anyway but like I've been detoxing I've been in the gym I've been spending time by myself I never spent this much time by myself but it's so peaceful and I've been relearning myself old habits old behavior breaking generational curses and staring up the pot is the album uh I haven't actually got a chance to listen to I didn't realize it was out yet but is it intentional that you use Wayne, like for the name and the cover and stuff? It's like inspired by Wayne. Like, because when we think about Wayne, we think about somebody who's just like singularly focused on music,

who's basically just recording all the time and he's just all about the bars. I sure thought you all listened to the album. I wish I knew it was out. I didn't realize. How you didn't know, I told your team that won't worry about that. Damn. You listen to the album, I need my feedback. Laura.

But. But yeah, it actually did come from Sorry for the Wait Because I was actually dropping freestyle But something came over me and was like, no, you could drop freestyle videos For promo in between for content, drop a project And I put 13 songs on there And with no feature Yeah, no feature

Where were you recording your music at for the most part? Some of the songs I recorded years ago, some of the stuff I did this year, but I worked in the music garage. I don't want to really yell out. I don't want to

nobody. What's your recording process like now? You said back in the day, you might have been taking the perks and shit, getting ready in the studio, you off perks and shit now, you ain't doing that. I like to work, I like to work sober. No smoking, no drinking. You're just in the street.

I might just smoke. Yeah. lately I've been having a clear heat, like, and I smoke cones now. It's more organic, but I have asthma too, so all the other stuff. But I like to have a clear hit. I don't like all, like, if you can't come to the studio and give me some ideas, some feedback or something, I don't want you in that. So I'd be in the studio by myself with, like a producer or engineer, or if a writer be

with me or most of the time I'm by myself. So, like, but working in the studio, I get into Caritas because I used to rush. I used to be trying to go to a party and not treating it like it's work but now I treat it like his work I don't care if I have to do a hundred takes I used to be thinking that you're not a good artist if you don't get it right the first time

and I used to be slurring being drunk like that's because I've been going back studying even with watching old interviews listening to old music and it's the rest of history it seems like you're only your shit though I'm hearing a lot of accountability coming from you like it seemed like this go around like you taking it real serious like yeah you're more hungry than

you were now or back then oh i'm so hungry right now i eat a giraffe do you wish that you like had like what do you think your career would have been like if you had all the knowledge that you have now back then when you first started to get momentum my career probably would be bigger but i'm big but i'm glad that i went through what i went through because now when it come down to the business, nobody can play with me. And I wish I had my own entertainment attorney. I wish I would have been more up front with my mother.

And, you know, since we were making decisions and I felt like because I was 18, I didn't have to tell her nothing. But when it got real, who hits your back? Yeah, mama. Definitely. Okay, a couple of, like, different moments I wanted to ask about, like, how did you end up doing a song

with gun play back in the day? Oh, I love gum. That was mind-blowing to me at the time because you're like a kid rapper out there, like you were so young, and then all of a sudden you're somebody there with gunplay who was like the craziest gangster to me at the time.

My team actually reached out to his team. That's how that took place. And then we did the song. I mean, he jumped on the song. However, and then when he came to Chicago, we shot the video. And he had a performance later that day, and I

ended up popping out with him. And then we He started building the bind when I'm going other states. We run into each other. I'm kicking it with them like that. Facts. What about more recently I've seen sexy red brow you out during a show, right? Yeah. What show was that?

And how did you even get in touch with her about that? That was her first time actually performing in Chicago. Oh, okay. It's crazy. That was Halloween, too. Right. That was Halloween, what, two years ago? She just DM'd you or how did you hear from her?

She had been saying my name and doing my day. When I had found out she was coming, I kept saying like, I need to be on point. Because I'd never be ready when people call where used to. Now I do because my mom used to be like, that's why I tell you stay ready so you don't have to get ready. But this particular day, I had told one of my people that school with one of her people's like, tell her fuck with me when she gets to the city. I'm like shit, I ain't even got to perform. This is what I'm telling.

I'm like, I ain't even got to perform. I just come in the building. That's how I treat all of them. I'm like, I mean, I don't have to hit the stage type shit, right? But I'll rock out and they steer my hand if you, you know what I'm saying? But they ended up called like two or three hours before the show. Oh, shit. And luckily, my hell was done.

And I know how to do my home makeup. and I was like, I kept seeing it though two days before he came. And then when the phone call game, I'm like, damn, I'd be calling stuff out. But she was real cool. If you had just been like looking the worst you ever looked in your whole life,

your hair was all fucked up, like would you have still found a way to pull up, put a hoodie on or something? I would do a wig on with a head. I did that when they called me to come to the millennial two at the Win Trust Arena when I performed Boosie. Oh, that's sick. I wasn't ready that day.

I do a wig on. My auntie cur of the ends of it, put my allies on, I did my makeup, and I put on the white socks hat. So even that performance for the millennial tour was like a couple hours notice? It wasn't even a couple. He called me and told me I hit one out. Oh, shit. And luckily, I was at my mother's house and she don't stay that far from where the arena is. Like my mother on 39th and the arena on 22nd.

So it was like 10 minutes from my house. I mean, that must have felt good both of those examples, but like just to have somebody like sexy red who's like basically the biggest female rapper at the time and she's actually recognizing and respecting your contribution and wants to bring you out in your own city. Like, is that kind of almost like an emotional moment to realize that all these people fuck with you like that? I really never really even be processing it until like right now because I never really got to embrace me even being who I am. am because I was too busy worrying about everyone else and them in my life. But it feel good though, like especially because I influenced her too. Yeah. I mean, even me as somebody who didn't know you until an hour ago, when I saw that she did

that, it instantly made me so happy for you and also made me with her so much that she respected you like that. Like that just let me know. And especially, you know, she's got her Chicago history. We all seen her in videos with a bunch of dudes back in the day and stuff, just being around and being a fan of people. So, yeah, I don't know. I thought that was just like an amazing moment.

I was really happy that she understood why that was a good idea. Yeah. I was sexy. She's a cool person. And she had dope-ass mother. She had some kids with her. Well, she was pregnant at the time, but her son was with her. Yeah.

To her, like, that ain't no excuses when you got to get to it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, sexy or real one? She is. Thanks. All right. Well, since we're talking about features, let's talk about the Nicki feature. So how did that come about? How did you? I congratulated her. Like, I congratulate everyone.

And she had broke a long, I mean, she beat a record, a long-rear record or something like that, a 1999 record. And I just said congratulations. And we was already like building a- When you said that you just said it like a tweet or you made like a video or? No, I just said congratulations under her post. All right. But prior earlier today, you. Yeah, you know I had drop DC4. And when all the little stuff was going on and I kicked that down here when I got on Asian Dallas and the barbs was in the comments. And I'm like, no, no, no. I'm not coming at her.

Yeah. I'm like, I woke up. She was in my DM and shit. She followed me in. We was talking. And down the line that here happened. And later on that day, she had sent the beat. Same day.

In my DM. And I went on YouTube like, damn, this beat ain't out. This is serious. This isn't happening right now for real. And I went and watched her story again. She was selling like, she said, all of the women who just congratulated her. She had something for you to check your DM, but I didn't even see that. And so after she DM me to beep.

And then she like, hey, mama, I know it might be a little poppy, but sent eight bars back ASAP. What? I went right to the studio. All right. So break that day down. Like, all right. so that must have been a crazy feeling. Nikki telling you, hey, go rap now.

I did two verses, right? You know, the song's super freaky girl. Yeah. One of the verses I was like, rapping like all the way, all the way nasty. And the other verse, when I said,

pull up with that sticky, I mean, putting out my product. And I'm like, it's already for me too many people trying to sound like, I have my own sound, my own everything.

and I came with that and I had a few people come to the studio just to hear my verse. I never said what it was for or nothing. Yeah. And it was like, submit that. But I already hit in my head that I was submitting that. I sent it right back to her.

She was like, oh, beat you snap. You know, she asked me to send a session files and that's how that went in. Yeah. And then she said, don't say nothing. So how long did you have to keep that secret that you are? I got this new. Like a couple weeks.

So it dropped a couple weeks right after. So in your mind, you're gearing up knowing everybody about to try to spin back around. You're going to be on the Nicki Knodge album. And in the midst, I was working like I am right now. Like, I had my project out. I was doing independent. And everybody was calling for me. Yeah.

Yeah. So stars were on again. Yes. So more so. All right. So you send it back to her. and then you said come out a few weeks later? She had posted a snippet,

and it was like New York, Boston, Chicago. Yeah. Seeing everybody a place, it said Florida. Everybody. He said everybody hometown. And I had come in. And she told me like, no, no, no, don't let them know. I erased my calling.

Yeah. I never knew who was on the song, nothing, till it dropped. So who else was on the song? song. Bia J.C. Akbar and Malibu Mitch. You have any relationships with any of the other girls on there or not?

Not really. I try. It's just like I try with the people in the city and I haven't talked to them since we left. Boston probably. What was it like, though, in terms of the reaction from people? Just like being on a song with Nikki

has got to feel like, you know, that's like the guy version again on a song with Jay Z, basically. It's like they're the best. It feels good. good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm honored pleasure for that to

took place like that. Opened up a lot of doors for me as well. Do you feel like, you know, let me try to say, Nikki don't want to, like, pass the torch to the next artist. Do you feel like she has to do that? How do you feel about people want Nikki to do more for female rappers? I mean, she gave you a feature,

but she might not be as like, all right, Kay, texting you? And like, how do you feel about, or, as a matter of fact, what's your relationship with Nikki now? She's not entitled to have to work with anyone. That's my co-worker. Like, we don't, I love and respect us. She love and respect me, but she's not my peer.

Like, we don't have no personal relationship, but I fucks with it. Yes, it's all love, parents. I mean, that's the way she was told, though. She was taught to step on anybody who, whatever, but I feel like she do need to pipe down a little and let people shine, too. but I don't know what she coming from. I don't know what she got going on behind the scenes with other people or stuff like that.

So I can't really base my opinion on that. But based off from what I see. Lai, Nikki, you had it for a minute and now. And it's still, you still got it. You, who you is. Like. I feel like the barbs are going to hear you saying the Nikki needs to pipe down and they're going to run with that.

What they're going to do to me? I just feel like they're going to spin a narrative. They're already spending there as well. Dave was coming at me when I congratulated Cardi. But I mean, I fuck with both of them. I hope one day that they can make some money together. Y'all don't have to be friends. Feels like friends might be out of the question at this point.

We co-workers. That's the whole point. Everybody would be taking stuff personal. This business. But as coworkers, usually most jobs I've had, I probably wouldn't tell my coworker that their kid was retarded. And they kind of cross that line, both of them. I mean, at the end of the day,

I don't have any kids and I don't play about kids. So both of them was bogus. Yeah, that was. But at the same time, do people think they can keep fucking with people? Like, I don't know what they got going on. Yeah. And everybody reacting off emotion.

Like, and that's what I'm learning to control my emotions. Honestly, it was just kind of weird to see two women that successful and that at the top of their game. I love both of them. And stupid that low. Regardless of who started it, it was just like, damn.

that's some some low shit it's like both of them have to realize that they who they is just like I had to realize that I'm who I am you know what I'm saying like even if you don't want to fuck when nobody or tune in to their shit just let them have a moment right because I mean most of like the big rappers

don't really diss each other in the way that we're used to seeing like you know the drill rappers both of their fans was coming and me causing me lap dogs and shit yeah I'm like what I ain't never said no bitch that you don't got to do too much to piss off the Nikki fans.

You don't have to do shit to piss off, do too much to piss off nobody fan. Both of their fans was coming at me. But once I understood the assignment, I shed it up. I'm not going back and forth arguing with you how. Yeah, I mean,

congratulating Cardi on her album. It's like, you didn't sign up to be a part of anybody's beef, right? My album is fire. You're having for Nicki album for you, too. Like, what the fuck? Yeah.

What am I fin to see you arguing about and neither one of them even paying attention to my album? who shouted out my album who tuned the end of my album so what the fuck they what they got going on ain't gonna affect me in no way no for that

facts facts facts so let's talk about the game you got on table let's bring here a little bit yeah what is this let's just Cadyland up for the world out there to see here Katie Land

I'm gonna give some examples here we have everybody take a shot take a shot if you ever had link which is the EBT card and Chicago. The law mad, I won't snitch. I'm not no sellout. Oh, that's the jail one. Okay. Bounce and break your back or take a shot. So this is a twerking incentive. Prank call. If you low and crazy, take a shot. Take a shot if you ever had a threesome. Would

you be taking a shot on that one? Maybe. Whoa. All right. I need to talk about that. Kiss the person to your left. I think you're more on my left than him, which is a good thing. Trap house? What happens if you land on the trap house? You have been in the trap house. You've been in the trap house. You can have a trap house. You take a shot.

Okay. Five squats or drink little booty. I do five squats or drink. Okay. If you ever, then, I'll start over. Start over. Crazy. What may you-you-see-b-bou-d-d-dun do the bow-b-b-dow.

Do the bow-bow dance. You need the PPP loan, take a shot. SBA, if you did a PPP loan, take a shot. Free-stall. Take a shot if you paid for a plan B and the bitch and take the pill. She's preaching. She's not got cards too. Okay.

When inspired this. Yeah. My cousin, she was stating me like, you have influence because I'd be playing games or doing this and that. And she was like, you're bringing. She kept asking me for years and years to come out with the game. And I actually came up with this last year. And I was holding it to my chest.

but I was like people played, but released it for my album. Nice. Did you see Jay Main with the cereal? And you were like, you know what? I could do a board game. I actually came up with this last year. When did cereal come out?

I want a cereal, too. Yeah, we got the derkyo and the whoops right over there. I'm going to walk in bring in. We got a Crip Mac 40, too. Don't drink that. I don't drink beer. Yeah. I don't even care for champagne.

I like beer Um Okay but are you are you thinking about actually producing this This game oh and so we have oh wow And so we have all these like pieces here as well Yeah Altoids fun dip I have 50 games

Corona And I pre-sold 10 but people It's like two three thousand people want a game But I just said that my website Actually just got finished right before I came In here so I have it had a chance to even check out my website yet. I mean, if you

how much is it? 50. 50 bucks. I think I need to up the score. I mean, if you got 3,000 people that want to buy it. I should set it for 100, right? I mean, yeah, you're going to be rich as shit. 300k. Independently, right? What are we talking about? 300K? Independently.

That's a stupid bag. You have really stop thinking about music. Just go all in on board games. So if people wanted to purchase this board game right here, what website do they need to go to get this right here? The website will be, I, Just I got to look at my website and confirm me, but my website will be on your website. It would be in my bio.

Go to Katie's Instagram. My new Instagram, Katie, I'm answering now. I need my page back. Can you help me get my page back? Why'd you lose it? Would you post? I didn't post anything. It just disappeared one day.

I don't post nothing, but shaking eyes or talking shit, having fun. I don't post nobody getting killed. Why do you think it's them? Because they know all kinds of internet hijinks, I assume. why would you think it was them when I'm doing business with them what I was at the time? Some of the Barbes go rogue.

They go against missions that Nikki has certified. Why do you have to keep mentioning the bars anyway? I have my own fan base. I live in fear of them. What do we call your fans? Is there a nickname for the fans, not Barb's? I'm trying to see who I want to call them the KGBs

or a being gang, but KGBs with a Z. KGB with a Z? Like the KGBs, or I might call them the drillettes and the drillets. I like the drillets and the drillers. What about the banditos? That's decent, but I like the drillets.

I like drillets. Got it. Speaking of all drillettes and shit, what happened with you in Asian, dog? This all stem from her saying she's the queen of Drew? I didn't care about that.

We all kings and queens. It was the disrespect. I was ignoring, and she was doing the most trying to get a reaction out of me, and I wasn't. What did she say that? caught your eye for you to pay attention like all right

she's trying she's doing too much fine new name she took it ain't a bitch never took nothing for me with notes she said five new names she took it then she said fuck my dear people she was just going too fucking far I don't talk about dead people people people did people I still didn't say for her dear people even behind it

I threw the bitch a front of rule without even having a front of rule she did her this song first um she was on Twitter she was all right yeah because she was on Twitter you know these bitches love Twitter getting a booth we can go like you know

and once I saw like I understood my power like because I don't even be speaking on that bitch no more either like I wish her the best congratulations on your brother with joy too but yeah she was being very disrespectful when I don't tolerate disrespect why I come from my dad about that and clown shit

I don't entertain do you feel like you can even be the queen of drill if you're not from Chicago you can be the queen wherever you at I'm not arguing and fighting and fighting over that. And when you come at me, it's personal. It's a lot of queens out here drilling.

But when you come for the queen, you better have some fucking sense. My bars are co-ed. I ain't just going at it with these bitches. I'm going after me and too. So y'all, y'all never got to talk and chop it up any. We actually, like, used to be DM each other. Like, I f***ed it with our music.

She f***ed it with a man. She was shouting me out. When she started rapping, shit you know and then you know like I just told you before we even started these bitches don't be opt for real they be haters that's what it be being I don't hate on nobody I I spread love spread wealth and unity but I ain't ducking no smoke but so what what did what was the start of the actual beef if it wasn't the queen of drill title and that's what it was over oh sorry and she was running with that

queen Vaugh and she was like you know what I'm saying you think that was too much. That's her. That's her life. Okay. You could be anything in the where you want to pee. Just don't play with me. That's good. I like that. Did you know Vaughn or? What's he around? Vaughn was gay.

Oh, you did know Vaughn. Yeah. And that's why she thought because she was fucking with him. She thought she was going to turn my people, my city, everybody against me. When I don't give a fuck, I'm, I'm rolling about myself. I never had asked anybody to ride with me against the girl. What was you in Vaughn's relationship?

Like, where are you doing from? You're just cool. Like, I didn't, I said we were cool. I know I'm saying, like, you met him at school? Like, where were y'all leaving? I don't know him from being from Chicago. Was he the kind of person that you might have been cautious about taking a photo with or being out publicly cool with?

Because now we kind of understand how he was viewed. I've never been cautious about taking a photo with anyone. Because I'll take pictures with who I want to take a picture with. I mean, I don't, you know what I'm saying. What other people, personal issues is they're personal issues, but it's stuff that you get put in it from being cool with whoever you want to be cool with. But I wish all of these men will just wake up and see when y'all going, y'all affecting kids, y'all affecting families and fans.

But it's the fans, the ones who send them the people off, who sit at home studying. our life we know life who causing people to crash out that's what I can't get with I'm not letting no troll trick me out my spot That's real shit

A lot of fans have you Doing more shit to hear Pride too I don't have to prove to you that I'm like that I don't underestimate nobody What's all you and Mama Ducks relationship Because I know at one point y'all at least cool or cordial Yeah I love Shana

Y'all grew up around each other Or how do you even know her? We come from the same neighborhood. Right. That's why when I was speaking on the grandparents and great, great, grandparent was like, my grandparents was a girl with her mother them and her grandmother and them. Like, he'd go, they'd far back like even with the other rappers. Because everyone, because you used to call her Auntie Sheena, so everyone thought you're cousins, but, oh, are you actually cousins? It was a respect thing growing up, mm-hmm.

But y'all had, fell out, you had some words or something? What was it even over? She- Everything, everything. Dang. We good. You got solid now, though, right? We're good. How do you feel about, like, all the hate she get, because she's very vocal on the internet about what's going on.

You know, some people would be mad at her for her giving her opinion. How do you feel about, like, her being able to. I'll talk to her and I'll be telling her, like, you don't have to be. But can't nobody see her don't fight for her baby either, and I don't have a kid. So I don't know how she feel. But I would tell her, like, even Doug told her, I witnessed it when he was telling her, like, just stay in a female place. you're somebody mama. Like, that's what her son was telling her when he was here.

Like, and I'd be reminded her like, you remember what Duck said. I'm going to take your phone. You spent a lot of time around Duck. Mm-hmm. I grew up with them. We gang gangs and probably joined for real. But, I mean, telling a girl to, like, stay in a woman's place, like, if it was anything else, we would say that that was sexist, but do you feel like that's just important for survival purposes in terms of Chicago?

Yeah. in terms of Chicago or anyone else, anywhere else. For sure. Break down you and Doug's relationship. Break down you and Doug's friendship. Oh, yeah. That was like my, we college just had to cause. Of course, like I was just my daughter-tiger and stuff like that, but we was cool.

Like, I helped slog it on the radio, too. A lot of people was mad. You said you helped slogging on the radio? How did you help do that? Because when the song first came out, I was singing that shit like it was mass. If ever since then was in my DM, I'm like, who is that? And I sold him. And the rest was history.

At one point, Mama Duck said that you were hanging out with the people who killed Duck. We're going to leave that way is it. Because I don't, me and I haven't talked behind an interview. We're going to leave it for a way is it. Okay. Yeah, because we're in a good space with each other right now. We're going to leave that way to it. Are you like outside?

It sounds like you kind of just like tapped in with everybody. I'm just, I'm just the girl from Chicago. Shout out. I, I, I, I'm saying shout out KV Nini.

Oh, yeah, KBDD, that's my good sister. But no, I'm just a girl from Chicago. And a lot of these people come from the low end. And even if they're not from the low end,

I've been around these, all of these people, neighborhoods and their families, like, I don't have anything to do nothing. You seem like kind of the exception of the rule. just you've been able to manage being a rapper and staying in Chicago. Not something we always see, but you said at one point that you never smoked on anybody's dead people

and that's a big part of why you're still here. That's not powerful. That's why everybody was smoking on everybody dead in jail or strung out. Do you feel like you have to leave Chicago at this point? Yes. Because it ain't the people that you got to watch who out. outside. It's the ones who close to you. And there's so much hate in that city and there's so much talent. Like, all throughout the city is so much talent with every generation. And in Chicago, they don't

respect talent. They don't respect people. They don't respect themselves. What do you feel like is the hardest part? Because, like, you was just dropping that you was at your grandma house on 39th Street and shit. So, like, you're saying that people going to hear this interview, Do you feel like people shouldn't be known where you be at or it's still good for you to like I said my mother still stayed on 30 night prior back then. I didn't say she stayed there now. Yeah. But I'm recovered wherever we at 39, 99.

Do you, like, how did it make you feel seeing the situation that went down with the Mello Bucks album release party? I don't have a comment on it. I was praying for all of the lives who took in the ones who was affected and impacted in even for the ones who did it and made God have mercy on all of them

does that make it harder for you to even want to like do an album release party or even do a show in Chicago or do they even let you do perform in Chicago? I just did an album release party and I posted the address I don't the thing is

I don't associate myself with anyone. I be by myself because I used to get caught up with being at the wrong place at the wrong time around people. But I just had a successful release party. So you seem like you know how to move and like how do you

or who taught you how to move like this? A lot of people aren't here. You've been around for so long. It seemed like you been able to strategically like keep, stay relevant. Also, you're still in Chicago. You still got ties to a lot of people. what's some advice would you give to somebody

who's coming up and they're trying to do what you do? But they might be trying to follow the drill lane and you already know where that could lead them. Stay true to yourself and man, your business. A lot of people will be getting involved with stuff that has nothing to do with them. Maybe third party.

I didn't keep God first. But sometimes, like, you can't just say, like, you get dragged in it. Like, you might hang out on person. I get dragged in it all the time. I'm up to a lot of people And I don't even know them Alright so you feel like people still do be trying to like be on that with you

It's just because I'll have I'm a public figure Yeah So it's like that's the difference between me and a lot of other people I'm a public figure and I'm a known figure and I'm from where I'm from And if you did something to somebody who I love I'm not smiling in your face That's all valid Um

Who leaked your nudes Oh, fuck, nigger A fuck nigger. Break that day down. Yeah, I never looked. I heard about it, but I never went looking. Oh, fuck, nigger. That was a couple years back, though, like.

I was in a relationship at the time, and the nigger was talking me out, and I called myself trying to move on, do me any backfire. That's how they went. And it was like I was bumping coochie with the boy. and I went to sleep because it was little.

Like I never knew he took a picture of me, and then he posted it on the fake page. You were sleeping? That's grimy. That's a whole different level of grimy right there. I was crying like, well, you violated me. Damn.

That's going to give you trust issues right there, huh? They do. But I came behind it with my photo shoot on the beach. My mother always said, got the attention, keep them talking. That's what I did that photo shoot with the blue hair and all that. Definitely. Got to make the best of it.

You said you don't have any kids yet. You plan on having any? Right now, Mm-mm. You say, Katie, I'm my baby. Man, this nigger drunk. I don't know. Because I'm not even, I'm not dating in nothing right now.

Like, and I don't want to be a baby mom. So if I have somebody I have to be a wife But then you got to watch that Are the dudes just Wack as hell these days? Yes Really

Hard to find a good man I have I'm not even trying to find him It's just pointless I have three room Three bare room condo two kings ass beds I am not bothered about a man Being in home with me And I pay my own bills

So what we're doing do you think that you'd be more likely to be able to get along with a guy from a completely different place from Chicago? Yes. Or do you feel like you need somebody who understands? I'm so dumb with Chicago. Who knows, though? But I do feel like I need to mess somebody who's not down here. They have to be up there because then they become a jealousy thing.

You know what I'm saying? When you're in the limelight and all the insecure stuff. of then you being who you is, everybody throwing themselves at the me. But you got to mess with somebody who will you who won't cross you just how they don't want you to cross them. And it'd be tricky. Because everybody doing stuff for likes and viral moments. It's scary out here. No, Rima, Rima's a sneaky freak.

You keep all his business deal. He ain't wrong to keep your business private. I don't actually know that. You be putting all yours out there, huh? Adam outside. I'm on the other side of that equation, for sure, yeah. I'd be seeing you. Yeah.

Matter of fact, the question I did have, would you do more acting? Because you and truth tell us, y'all did, like, you was in his short film. And you was playing, like, his girlfriend or something? What was that? Was I the girlfriend? I think he was. You got, like, woke him up to go do a drill or some shit. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, a lot of people was men. that I had did that. But I had been business and everybody. And then you think about... I seen the vision though. That was cool for y'all to do that. So like, how did the truth hit you about that?

I first did an interview. Then he gave me back to come back. You know what I'm saying? We did business like that or whatever. But I'm actually like about to start filming in this series called Drill, the Chicago story. Directed by Easy from Trust the Process,

I'm U.S. Like, I'm, like, in jail right now. So when I'm coming home, that's when I'm coming in, like, the end of season one. And it's two episodes. Like, and I'm one of the main characters in season two. So I really do want to get into acting. People keep telling me I need to because they say my personality is. Yeah, I can kind of see it.

I can see it too. Could you imagine yourself on, like, love and hip-hop or some show like that? Baddies. Loving hip-hop Chicago. They never reached out. I don't, I don't discriminate anything or judge them, but I don't feel like that fit my image. It depends on where role I will play.

I'm not going on no show to bust a bitch upside the head or they bust me upside, man. And then you ain't getting paid. I think you get paid, but you got to bust a bitch upside the head, probably. No, I'm not doing it. I have an image. What if I break my in and I have to go. to perform tomorrow.

And I have to go get surgery. That's not, no, that's low vibration for me. I ain't discriminating or discredited or disrespect and neither, but it can help, you know, boost me up or whatnot. It depends on what they have me doing, but I'm not going on there trying to prove that I'm tough. That ain't what I even do in real life. Definitely.

But I ain't turned down no check. But it depends on how they come in me with it. 100 grand you got to be on the show for a week and you got to be fighting and throwing drinks on people that don't sound attractive no because then they start messing up i'm trying to get endorsements and stuff you get to act in a certain way it affects your bed and i'm not the young katie i'm grown i'm 32 now i was 18 when i got in the field with music with 17 rather so like that i'm not i'm not chasing that. I don't even watch it.

Me neither. I used to, but that was like when he first started coming on. That's not entertainment to me for me to see people tear each other down. I signed up for Zeus and I watched one episode of Baddies and I said I can't do it. It's not for me.

No, I can't, but I love hip-hop on the other hand. I might can do that, but it's to a certain level with that too. You got to just know it depends on the contract, let's say that. Definitely. Did you know you're going to have this much influence when you first started doing music? Did you know it was going to lead to all this right here?

No. But it's crazy because I had the influence since I was a kid, like with regular life stuff. And I have influence with dancing, with me being me. It's not even just with rapper. They were talking about me dancing on top of car. They were talking about me dancing on my neck. Now everybody on top of cars and everybody on their neck. I had friends and family members in my videos pregnant.

They were seeing stuff about that. Everything that I did is a thing now. So now I have to come back for everything that was taking from me and more. Tell them. You today, OTF twin? No. Where that comes? Who started that rumor?

That was a child of friend. Can we go? to the next question. All right, right. What about you and you billionaire black and taste average? Just like pictures of y'all hanging out

when y'all was young in the block. What's your friendship? Or how do you know that? Tate Average, my goal. And being a black, that's my brother. I grew up with them. But me and Tate Savage

is kind of like more so close. From the low end area? Word. What was your friendship? Like, were you just known from the block? I enabled us just to actually be fighting. Oh, right. And I used to mess

One of their homies back then And we used to be fighting them What I With my family And with our neighborhood Like they used to be We used to be Fighting them then

Going posting up on their block So that's how y'all relationship got started I'm fighting this shit Yeah But now our neighborhood is like Cool What you think about him Blowing up and

I'm proud of him I saw that for him When you got out of Jeff? I'm proud of him I told him he got a lot the rap about you ain't got to talk about everything what the people already know go the other way and just go and you go on i'm proud of him but it's it's a tricky spot for somebody like him because i mean a lot of the fans they want to hear him talk about certain shit disrespectful shit

violent shit he's a pretty smart guy he is this is true he's very smart he been he been they way forever he'd been 200 steps ahead he ain't he ain't let them trick him. I hope you don't. For sure. Did you know, uh, T.HF. Baza? Mm-hmm. How'd you guys know each other? Well, y'all come from the low end. Prays.

His family. Yeah. Yeah. Kids. Rest and peace. What's your thoughts when you see something like that? It's like, damn. My head up. All of you with all of them. And that's why I'm done with funeral rules and everything. Oh, you don't go? I don't go to front of rules. I don't go to front of those.

I don't go to. I don't handle grieving well. Really? I was seeing my first dead body that I remember in 1999. My uncle made you rest in peace. How old were you that? I was in kindergarten, well, five, six. And I remember the final view.

And I remember everything, the smell, the fly was where he hid on. And my mother and grandmother tried to give me to kiss my uncle. and I went crazy and to this day I don't go up to caskets do you feel like it's hard to get closure about losing somebody if you don't go to the funeral because that's the one good thing I feel about

is it kind of at least feels like you're marking the end of this person's love I think going to funerals it's traumatizing and it's different when you got to sit in that front row everything be a blur everybody be right there

But then when it's all said and done, when it's over, and you buy yourself, you buy yourself, all the calls, all the people who say they got you is not there. They're not there. When your mother, father, whoever grieving you, your family, your kids is grieving you then to see the videos is even worse. I do hate looking at their body in the casket. Like, it's always a bad experience for me. Like, they just never look the way you want them to look. They just look like such a weird version of themselves. Like, I...

Because they body and their soul and flesh is gone. The moment you take your last breath, you go either to the upper room or the lower room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's understandable that you don't go up to the casket for sure. Okay. else you think we should hit here.

We got almost everything wrapped up. Let's talk about the music scene that's coming up. What's some artists from Chicago right now? Do you feel like people need to be paying attention to? Outside of yourself, you know, you got your project that just dropped. But outside of you, who's somebody that you want to shed some light on? I like Jada. Is that her name Jada?

Yeah. Jay Jada. I like her. Shout out of Jada. Yeah, we're supposed to be doing something too. Who else rapping? That's been pretty hard. I got like a

me and Mello Bugsby calling each other's a sister. I'm going to work with her too. But she she has half a million fans. She got a big fan base, so she's not up and coming really for real. Fendi, the rapper.

She pretty hard. Pretty Leah. I like her too. Kashmir. Don't judge my heart. Judge my man, y'all, because I'm not leaving anyone out

because there's so many women that's doing anything in the city but you're saying rappers right yeah what about star bands oh this is my little sis can't leave her out she's so what's the star without her sister bands oh yeah there you go I didn't think of that yeah that's your daughter I was at her birthday party no that's a little sister I was at her

birthday party concert I had took my nieces and nephews and look his dad it was one of their birthday. They got to meet her celebrities. They were acting a fool. They hit a ball. Who would you put on your drill, Mount Rushmore? If you only put four people. Male or female?

All tongue. Yeah. Number one. Katie. Actually, let's do it like this, because I feel like a lot of females are going to want to hear your version of the female drill Mount Rushmore. So who would you put them on there as a right now? I'll put

it. But I don't know. because who considered I don't know if these people really consider this drill who are give me some names and I uh let me see of course I give mellow bucks she hard she can really rap for real

even outside of drill she's a great artist she can make a love song I would love to hit that from her as well um who else drilling is Starby is not really considered the drill rapper she fall underneath the the umbrella but not really

but people throw her in there because she's from Chicago. Name some female drill rappers because I don't really know who considered. Katie got bands. Of course I'm not going to leave me out. But okay, we're not limiting ourselves to Chicago or we are. Oh, I'll put Sasha up there. I can't leave Sasha to hard out.

So they're giving me one more. You got Katie, Mello, Sasha. We're going outside of Chicago. Jen Carter. Who? From 4-1 in New York. She's just dope. I had to check her.

Okay. Give me one more from Chicago, though. I give it to Jay. That's big. I give it to Jay. That's big. I give it to Jay. All right, so what about for the guys?

Who are you inspired by? But like from, you saying any generation? Any generation, just like, if you just put them on the Mount Rushmore, who would you put on? Because I can't leave Alshana either, though. And I can't leave Alshana in the bread. Yeah. But they don't really fall on the Nishu. When we do the drill, they leave Kian.

Right, you're right. So who would you put on the God version of this? I give it to King Louis, a little dirt, VG Duck, King, Line, L.A. Capone. That's a solid file right there. Sosa? Sosa. I can't leave him. He goes on the top.

So you give me four. So you give me four out of those. Who are you getting to go with? Sosa, for sure. He won. I go with Sosa. Duck. At Lake Cabone, dirt.

That's valid, though. I fall with it. Don't nobody's trying to come in me. They're going to be on you in the comments. They're charging my heart. My man, and I'm a hard trying. I love all of them, but it is what it is. People probably might not even mention me.

It's okay. It's my thoughts. And to any kids that's listening to this, you know, some female rappers, they want to be the next kiddie guy bands. They're about to get into this drill shit. Any advice that you will give them? Yeah. Stay true to yourself and don't rush things because of what you see on the internet. You don't know what people going through outside of creating music and content.

And stay true to yourself. Do not get involved with nothing with these men or boys. Got going on with the streets because they're going to use you as a shield and move on with their life and go with somebody else. you catch a case and ain't no more bonds either make sure you have an entertainment attorney take care your business at all times do not rush to sign the contract dean you look up

you crying saying I can't drop I can't drop but you drop in freely as you want to now that's real Jay Man used a girl as a shield literally held a girl in front of him did you plan or you seriously

no he said that in an area and he said Tate Savage was a shoot at them. I don't want to talk about it. All right. Katie Got Benz. Sorry for the Kate. Y'all got to listen to my

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