No Jumper - Kenzo Balla on Still Being Outside, Beef with BmgUpperClass & BlockWork & More

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

Kenzo Balla talks about Kay Flock, Ice Spice, Murda B, BmgUpperClass, BlockWork and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 3:20 Kenzo talks about being 20 years old making drill and also heartfelt music 8:15 Taking music seriously during cvd and getting involved with Kay Flock 10:00 Kenzo talks about blowing up off the song “5th To Sev” and gives thoughts on Kay Flock going to jail 12:10 Kenzo on his crew “DOA”, dropping a diss track called “D*ad Gz” and kids listening to drill 15:05 Kenzo talks about signing to 10K Projects and gives his take on Ice Spice and Murda B 23:30 Kenzo talks about people lying about being “outside” and 6ix9ine goons from Bushwick 26:35 Kenzo on his conflict with BmgUpperClass and sounds off on Taxstone catching a case 32:30 Kenzo breaks down his beef with BlockWork and running into him at a show in New York 36:50 Kenzo talks about his relationship with rap crew “41” 39:40 Kenzo talks about the girl trying to say “you ate my ___ and your designer fake” on IG Live ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm in here with Kenzo Balla. It's the word, man. You know what's up, man. How you feeling, man? What's going on? I ain't going to lie, man. I'm happy to be up here.

It's a movie. I ain't going to front. Definitely. We've been tapping in with the Bronx quite a bit lately. My man Flacco put me on to your music and everything, but then he wasn't able to actually be here today. So I had to just... Shout out Flacco, man.

Shout out of flakco. He's really in tune with this bro. He's a little too in tune with it. Because I had to kind of like get on him the other day because he was asking about somebody's like, you know, ops and he was laughing a little too hard at something happening to them. I see that. I was like, you can't take too much joy in what's going on out there. That's, that's their business. You can listen to it. You can't love it too much.

Your dick is be feeling some type of way. You feel me? But, okay, so tell us a little bit about yourself where exactly you're from and everything. Well, I'm from the Bronx, New York, you know, from me, from the 5th, 165, Simpson area, like, for me, grew up in the Bronx. For me, it's just over there it was just the Bronx is just different bro it's like like you see everything out there for real yeah because I lived in Bushwick and Queens and shit back in the day and that was kind of always the reputation and like when we would see people come from the Bronx BMX Y's and stuff they would always have like a little bit of

something different about them there was a lot of wild ass people from out there no yeah so you you were exposed to a lot as a young kid in terms of just seeing shit in New York area definitely definitely definitely as a young kid like a young kid In the Bronx, a lot of kids get exposed to a lot of shit they're not supposed to see at a certain age. But it's just like that's how the environment is out there. Right. It's just crazy.

So your neighborhood was crazy as fuck? And do you grow up in like a certain project or something? Because I know a lot of these Bronx rappers are from certain areas. Like the Bronx, they got projects and they got like side blocks. So we're from the side blocks. We're not from the project. Okay. But for me, we from like apartment buildings.

Right. Yeah. And so what were your parents like? What was the scene like in your home? Yeah, my mom, feel me? Shout my mom's for me. She's been there through everything. My pops too, he was there for a little minute for me.

Then they separated. So, you know, my pops was for me. I always talk about my pops and shit. But my mom, for me, I grew up with my mom for like the rest of my life. My pops was there for half. He always was there, but he wasn't in the household for me. Right. Did that change things for you once he left the house?

Yeah, I think that always changed shit for people, for everybody, especially your pops not in the household no more. And then you outside or you were from the Bronx, you're from, not even from the Bronx, even from you from the hood regardless, you're outside. and just changed her and shit. And you don't got your dad

they really guide you all the time for me so you might make room decisions. Right, and there's only so much that your mom can really relate to, right? Definitely. So was it in your area? Was it like you were kind of getting pressed or having to deal with confrontations

from an early age? Or was it aggressive like that? No, in the area, my area for me, for me, all kids, for me different blocks that's around the area. For me, we grow up, fuck with each other. You know, sir, if you get younger, if you get older, for me, sir, you might start beefing and shit like that.

For me, sir, and shit like that. But it'll be little kids shit, little fighting. When we're younger and shit like that, little teenagers be fighting and all that. Back to back, you're chasing them and shit. Regular shit for me. And then sometimes, though, the people that you got beefing when you're younger, you won't have beef with them when you're older. But the people that you cool with when you're younger, when you get older, there's beef with them. Right.

That's how it would be. There's a lot of truth. How old are you now? Me, I'm 20. 20. Like, that's pretty crazy because, I mean, that means that you, even when you were in high school and shit, the Bronx drill stuff was starting to pop off, right? Oh, yeah. Do you remember when you first kind of got exposed to music that you even thought of being in that category?

No, definitely. Even when it was, when it was just drill music period from Chicago, for me from Brooklyn drill music. And it was always Bronx drill music, but we just like, we just wasn't. Was it popping off yet? We wasn't lit yet. For me, Brooklyn was lit. For me, they had it for a minute. but bronch drew i we used all rapping and shit but it's just like certain people would be known but it

would be a very little for me so when did you get interested in music in general though was it just always around your yeah i always was interested in the music though always was trying to like i was always always be in the crib with my brother t g shout tg crippi for me that's my blood brother right we had to my music with me too yeah he's hard we was always be even before we went to the stew we always be even before we went to the stew we was in a crib just throwing on beach freestyleing with the bros and shit writing shit just trying shit out and seeing like how we feel about it for me like we knew that's something that we wanted to do but we just ain't know for me if we could really for me do it oh deep definitely is that your phone that's like vibran every two seconds sorry

yeah it's going crazy yeah yeah um so were you making music on like street related shit from the beginning was that like was that part of your life before the music yeah oh yeah From when I started music, it was just about street shit, honestly. Right. It was just everywhere around you. That was just what I was exposed to, hell yeah. Right. And then when you start making music, it's like the most interesting thing you got to talk about,

so it just kind of goes in that direction? Yeah, definitely. For me, sometimes it takes you in a different mind space, and sometimes it calms you when you making music and shit, take you away from certain shit that's going on around. But you make drill music and you make, like, you know, heartfelt R&B type music. So, like, which one's more challenging?

The heartfelt music is definitely more challenging because the drill I'm so used to that for me The heartfelt drill music I have to really like tap into that mold for me And really like perfect my crafting that Right the drill that's something I grew up all and I I've listened to all the time All drill, all this so it's like that's something that wasn't hard for me Right

But I mean yeah because you have to be a lot more vulnerable To make the sort of heartfelt music You have to be willing to show like a side of yourself That has a little bit of sensitivity right Right. But I also feel like the challenge with making drill music is like how do you make it different than all the other songs that have come before? Because there's such like a formula to drill. And it's like I do when I listen to your music, I'm like, okay, this is somebody who actually has musical talent and is actually trying to push things and make drill music that actually stands out. But there's like so much of it that it's got to be kind of tough to stand out. Yeah, it gets kind of tough for me. It does get tough for me.

Like only like for me, I'm still underrated in the drill for me and a drill for me. in the drill culture but for me you got certain fans and shit like that but it's just be certain times it's just be hard to like get certain people to that new audience to that music because certain people they don't really hear it or certain people don't like certain people don't really like think about drill music as like switching it up to going to like heartfelt type shit they just think that when you go you go keep here to like aggressive crazy shit so right because i feel like that is the the thing for a lot of drill rappers is like can you sort of break out of that initial mold that a lot of people sort of fit into in the beginning and you look at somebody like Dirk where you know he might still make some

some music that sounds like drum music from time to time but he also like most of his music really doesn't sound anything like that. No that's a fact he switched it up he you know how to he tapped it to a whole different bag and I got him a whole different crowd a whole different audience too right because it's always crazy when you're looking at somebody's YouTube channel and you'll see that like you sort by most popular videos and all the songs that are about killing ops will have five million views and then all the shit that they did something a little bit more experimental will have less than a million and that's that's like a very common thing for me to see or you go look at some of these most popular songs and the number one song is going to be the song with a smoking

on everybody yeah it's always like that I don't know I guess that's just what they like but it's like so they will say oh y'all need to switch it up but then when they switch it up but they still like attach to the droop sound more even though they don't want to admit it like that's really what they wouldn't hear it they wouldn't hear that this and they wouldn't hear the smoking on dads they wouldn't hear all lot but when you're saying that kind of shit the music Are you thinking about people locally who are hearing it? Or are you thinking about all these fucking, like, you know, small white children or even like late 30s men like me

who are listening to it that are kind of just intrigued by whatever you're talking about, even if it doesn't actually pertain to our lives at all? Yeah, I'm thinking about everybody. I'm making for everybody to the vibe to it. Right. I don't care who it is. No matter what you're from, I make that music for everybody. Right.

Everybody catch a vibe to it. Definitely. So, okay, when did you actually start taking the music seriously, though? I would say, 20 end of 2019, 2020, 2020 I started

really taking it like serious, COVID era Did that change things Like you weren't in You weren't going to work Or going to school Or anything like that?

It wasn't going to school And shit So it was like We had to find something And do We was always in the streets So it's like We're not going to be in the streets

All day, every day So it's like Let's go get a stool session For me All the guys used to always Link up all of us It just all go to the stool Okay

So who's in your crew Anybody we know? For me, yeah From me, we got D-O-A-S odds too For me, that's 50 to the 7th. The 7 is for me, K. Flock, Dougie. So you were already down with them by this point. When did you get down with them, exactly?

Oh, yeah, those been the bros. Those been the bros for, like, from a couple years now. Okay. Yeah, we've been linked up from, like, those are the bros. We knew them personally. Okay. And so... Especially Dougie and Flok.

I guess even K. Flock wasn't really popping off at, like, the beginning of COVID, right? Yeah, he wasn't. That is kind of crazy. He was just, how many... He was just trying to get... He was just trying to start the shit up for the Bronx. Right. Yeah, that is wild.

But so, okay, you already had a bunch of friends who were, like, being successful music-wise. Was that a big factor and you taking it more serious? Was just seeing the fact that, like, a bunch of people you knew? Of course, that was motivation. I was already taken in serious. So once I see my bros and niggas I grew up with,

that I came up from nothing that's going up and doing what they need to do for me. Of course, that's going to motivate me to do more. Right, definitely. And you weren't, beginning of 2020, like, how did you, do you feel like you got an audience from working with them or just being around them? Or was it a certain song in particular that just hit?

Yeah, it was a certain song that it was a song that just hit crazy. Because at that time, for me, we was like, everybody knew we fuck with each other, but we didn't make no music or none at that time with them and shit like that. We just, for me, bros and shit. But the song, when we dropped like fifth to the seventh, we dropped the circle fifth to the seventh, me, TG, and my son P.D. FreeP.D., feel me, we dropped that shit. That shit just went crazy.

And so you didn't really do anything to promote it? It just went nuts on its own? Yeah, we didn't even do nothing for that shit. We just posted it. That's wow. And it just went crazy. I don't know what it was about that shit. It was just the, I mean, that's when the sample way first started popping to in New York,

so it was just like, well, in the Bronx really. So that shit just went crazy. Okay, so... How much of your life changed from that, though? You probably had to start taking the whole music thing way more serious? Yeah, after that, like, once I hit my first million views off that video in like a month, a month and a half, like, me and a million views are ready in a month. So he's like, filming we gotta go crazy.

And then from right there, we just started going to his studios, all his shoe and mad videos, booking we just booking our videos ahead of time like we're gonna have a video this day this day we book calling the video means and just booking them shit to just shoot it right damn like we gotta go crazy because we seen what this shit could do already and we seen like the spotlight like is about to be in the Bronx crazy right right everybody was going crazy so and so like how much did it change things when k flock got locked up oh if i got locked up of course like it for me it brought all of a lot of us down like damn like for me because he was like the blueprint for this shit he this shit like he started this shit like a lot you put the shit in a lot of he

kicked a lot of doors down to me say that for me so he was like he just got to for me keep this shit going for him at that point like when you get locked up for me till you get home for me you just got to keep this shit going and keep deal away a lot for me have you stayed in communication with him since I'm not locked up I mean you took him the flock once in the blue I'd be sending my number or something you know a certain time you're saying number out the people they don't get it but you got to get on the phone and join your own personal time but I've definitely been on the phone with flokky and good spirits.

That's got to be kind of weird too because you can't talk about shit while they're locked up, right? Mm-hmm. How are you. Kate took about a lot of shit, but for me it's not a lot of shit to talk about anyway. For me, you got to move talk. Yeah, whenever I get on the phone with somebody who's locked up, it's like, everything that I can think of to say is either like-

Yeah, I don't want to say it because it's being recorded or I don't want to talk about some cool shit that I'm doing in my life because I feel like that's- He's like, he's like, it just looks like bragging in comparison to where they're at. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Funny shit. So you feel like DOA is still going to do you?

strong or do you feel like it's kind of at a weird point right now? Nah, yeah, we still going strong, bro. We still going strong. I ain't going to lie, but we got everybody in the city know that. Because just traditionally when the boss gets locked up or the biggest star gets locked up, a lot of times that can cause some, like, weird effects going on within the crew. So I feel like a lot of people got their eyes open for that. For me, of course it does.

Yeah, of course it causes some problems and shit. But all brothers, everybody go through their little shit and everybody, for me, if niggas is real brothers, that should not going to take it nowhere, you know what me? Niggas going to get back together. That's why it falls D-O-A, we always did that. We always, even if niggas got on the arguments or shit like that, like, that guys always came back together and got that shit right.

I can't say the same for everybody else. You see what's going on in the town. Right. There's a lot of bullshit going on. Yeah. Even when I was interviewing a couple guys the other day that I understand, you don't go along with it. They were making it clear that the K-Flock thing did have a big influence on them as well,

that that just, you know, kind of open doors for everybody. Oh, yeah. For me, it's a good thing that they admitted that because they wouldn't really admit that before. So what's up with the, what's the song called, Dead G's or some shit? You hate these dudes.

Where does that come from? Oh, nah, that was just a sword I just needed to come out. I needed to come out. They were just trying to, like, do too much for me, bro. Like, I had this show and he was like, for me, I could do the same thing on the same beat and go even more crazy on that shit.

Right. So when they're, a lot of the dudes that they're talking about and smoking on whatever, those are people that you were actually friends with? Hell, yeah. So how would you say that that feels, especially seeing the music, well and get views and stuff. Does that actually like hurt your feelings or how would you

describe it? I can't say it hurt my feelings like for me because this the streets bro this shit is like this is happening like the niggas going smoke on you're dirty going smoke one niggins dad's for me especially when y'all really into it really into the mix it just should make like fuck that I'm not to go to their stool I'm about to violate these things like I'm like to show these niggas some shit like I'm gonna show these niggas I'm way more tight I said and I just put that shit into my music that's that for me right well that's good but do you worry about how it influences the kids and shit?

Bro, I probably when like two years, a year ago, I was like, damn these little kids and shit, but I think he's don't care about that anymore. Everybody was like that, but everybody wants the TikTok shit got lit and then wave all that. For me, older kids go start listening to older shows. They go start dating to older songs. And non-time of a 10, it's barely when you find a kid

that would be listening to one side. It's only be kids that you listen to everybody. So it's not like, niggas choose and sides. But it would be certain kids that I do. Right, like, you'd have to be a crazy-ass fucking person to, like, love. love young boy and love Dirk, but only listen to one because you feel like that's your man's, you know, like completely forget about the other side.

No funny shit. I think that's like a pretty crazy. Yeah, that's just, I mean, it might make sense locally. Like if you actually are friends with these people and shit, for sure, then it makes sense. Yeah. Anyway, so. Definitely. But, okay, so do you, like, so who'd you actually sign to?

That's one thing I wanted to ask. No, I signed a 10K project. Oh, you did? Okay. Yeah, 10K. How's that going? That shit going good, man. He's going good, man.

and shit going great. Just dropped Project Deluxe for me. You got a whole lot of shit coming. I'm going crazy this year. Right. So you know, is 6-9 still signed to them? I don't even know. Yeah, because I don't feel like I've heard anything about it.

I know he was signed to them, though. He also has barely put out music since he's been out. I don't pay attention to that. Did you do other label meetings and stuff, though, like, leading up to this? Or was it, like, how many different labels were you talking to? I was, like, probably, like, two other labels had hit me up for me, but, For me, when I met up with 10K, I met it with Solomon for me. My son Solomon, so my son, X, X, X, X for me.

Yeah. So my son, Solomon and shit. Hell yeah. So we linked up and shit, and the vibe and everything. For me, when we talked about it, they had our best, for me, interest in everything. Other two people, other two labels. That's dope, though. Solomon, like, his track record is insane at this point.

So what kind of game did he give you or what kind of stuff did he say to you about your career that actually made you really believe in him? For me, bro, he was like, bro, like, he just believed in me for a minute, bro, because Solomon, bro, before, even whenever, before I even, when I was doing regular drum music just in the street, for me, he would just be reacting to my shit. He texts me once in the boo and that one day, he just texted me, like, for me, I really felt my music and shit, we got on the phone and shit, he was just telling me, like, bro, like, you could do something different with the drill, see, like, I already see it, like, and that's how I was feeling for me. I feel like I could, like, break into a whole different zone in the drill, in the drill, in the drill. drill movement for me and make it like a different category to this shit so you're just telling me shit like that he's like what you got to do is really just work for me getting the stool perfected craft and just work hard for me to try to work work over everybody else yeah that's what you got to do

I'm not a lot I feel like in recent memory the ice spice thing really like made Bronx drill way bigger put more eyeballs on it even though she is like in a completely different category as a girl and she's not really talking about street shit or whatever I still feel like that puts so much more of a light on it and made people realize like oh this shit is not over ever since cape flott got locked up or whatever like this sound is fucking huge and is not going anywhere and it's still very much to be decided like who are going to be the biggest rappers coming in with this sort of movement right yeah i ain't gonna lie she definitely put a number a bigger light on a bronx full fact i can't even i can't even say she didn't but for me we used the bronches already lit as fuck we used the lit it's the little city in the borough right he's lit as burrow in the city anyway but that shit was just interesting me because it's like not non-violent drill, which is something we haven't really seen before. It's like, it's the sonic version of it. And I said this on another podcast that Ron Suno kind of is like that, too, because I knew Ron Suno when he was really just a comedian who was kind of trying to get his music going.

And now he actually has really popular music, and he's not really putting out the same negativity that a lot of drill rappers might be fucking with. Yeah, it's a fact. I ain't a lot. Yeah. I wasn't expecting her to really be rapping on a drill shit anyway for me because of image and shit. So that just, that was good, though, because I made the drill. shit, the show that we got another different category, even for other females that wouldn't

get into the drill shit. Now they don't got to rap about drilling shit, which 99% of these bitches don't do, feel me? Yeah. Rap about some sexy shit or some shit. So I got interview Murder B soon. Oh, shit. You don't, you don't appreciate the fact that she'd be fucking shooting people in her songs

and shit? Oh, no. I feel like murder B for me? For me, she's not like she ain't been in the trenches, like, and been outside and been, for me around. So she's a real person who's around in the Bronx and all that? Yeah, she's been on. been around in the Bronx for me.

I ain't going to say she ain't going crazy, but for me, she's been out there. Because from like an L.A. perspective, I don't know. I guess sometimes I have a girl rapping who's, like, affiliated with a gang or whatever sometimes, but it's very rare. It doesn't really happen. Yeah, but in Cali,

you got a lot of girls that's in gangs. They just not raping. Yeah. Feel me? That's the thing. I feel like the dudes in the gangs were telling them, like, hey, no rapping. It's more females than gangs than Cali than New York for a fact.

You think? It's just that, it's just that, feel me, the Cali girls just don't really rap like that. For me, New York, females, they see the drill out, drill waving, all that now they're trying to rap. Right, but do you think that girls should even try to get affiliated with that type of shit, or should they stay the fuck out of it?

I can't tell nobody, nothing, man. Whatever they want to do, that's so on nothing for me. Everybody is their own person. Right. For me, that's on nothing for me. It's like, the way this shit is now is just so different from how it was before. So it was like, certain females don't give a fuck.

Certain nicks don't give a fuck. So it's like, do what you're gonna do. Just make sure you know what you're doing. And make sure you're moving right. One of my friends, like, a girl got killed in the hood, and I was just like, damn, that's crazy as fuck. They ran up and just shot this bitch in the head in her car or whatever. And he told me, he's like, he's like, bro, but she was kicking it with this one gang. And then she started kicking it with their ops, like, right afterwards.

And he's like, that's how it goes down. Yeah, it's over with once you do that shit. It's over with it. And it's so crazy because a lot of these females be doing that shit and just be wicked. And then when they get hurt or they get beat or they get, you get, milk, they get some shit like that, they look, they wonder what the fuck happened, like, you know what you doing, like. Yeah.

That shit could get real dangerous, like, that shit can get real dangerous. You could, a bitch could be fucking with you and then fuck with another nigga from the other side or even put the other nigga in danger because you might fuck with you more. Now you find out, you fuck with him, you even want to go crazy. So, yo, give me that nigga out of you or he could do the same shit. Right. Let me see his adie.

And that shit can turn into some whole other shit, just over a whole female. Yeah. Because to them, a lot of them probably feel like that kind of thing. happened to them and at the end of the day a lot of girls their number one thing that they care about in the whole world is just dick and like funny shit like if there's a dick they want to suck they're not going to let anything in the world stop them from it don't matter if they have to pull up to a neighborhood that they know they probably shouldn't be and they're gonna forget all about that it's all about the dick it's all about that because we're all like that not about that for the

opposite right like you would do some dumb ass shit for some pussy right yeah everybody had this for some dumb shit like yeah these females but they've been going crazy lately, bro, this new generation. I mean, these bitches is wild. I remember way back in the day when I was like 22, so we're talking like 17 years ago. I met this Puerto Rican girl from the Bronx at a bar in Brooklyn, and I started, like,

hanging out with her, and she's coming, taking the train down and hang out with me, and I'm like, y'amma, I'm going to come up to the Bronx and, like, go to your area sometime, and she's like, I'm going to be real with you. My brother isn't a gang, and if you come around my neighborhood, him and his friend's going to beat this shit out of you.

That's really how I used to go, though. Like back in the day in the Bronx, in New York period, you couldn't even walk through certain blocks. They just go beat your eyes for no reason. Yeah. It's because you walk it over there. We ain't from there. You're going to get your eyes fucked up. She's like, for real.

She's like, they might not really want to fuck with you like that just because you're a white boy and stuff. But she's like, if you come around like you're my like hanging out with me, like she's like it'll get real weird. Like you don't want to do that. And I was, that's a big realization for me. Like, oh, okay. I'm just not going there ever. Yeah, hell yeah. Like even way sometimes like y'all be like, like as for me as white people, I'd be good.

but like niggas don't fuck with y'all like that unless niggas want to rob and they think they could do some shit like that some crazy shit like that but other than that y'all be good but the black people spit if you walk through there and they see you they just go yeah they just go you're going to be on your eyes it's just different that's just how i used to be in the brooks brook they just think you from somewhere yeah even if you're not no i mean i've seen it happen out here where i had a friend gabe rest in peace who we were riding BMX bikes all the time and i i totally forgot that he was like a crib and i wasn't from l-l-a like so when i came out here i didn't know what that was going to be like and one time we're riding around this area and he just spots some dude who to me looks like a regular-ass bike dude but Gabe just throws his bike on the ground up in his face where you from where you from and i'm just like oh like he he has the fucking radar to be able to tell when somebody is like gang related and it just was like a big eye opener yeah hell you should get tight sometimes you're it's like you wasn't even thinking about it like that till that shit really happened like she get crazy bro turns time shit happened out of nowhere in the Bronx, bro.

Like shit, sh**, niggas go through everything out there. But I should have, like, Cali and New York, like, we're the same, but we differ. For me? Definitely, yeah. I mean, it feels like the Bronx is one place where you're just always hearing about something that you can't fucking believe. Yeah, a bunch of unbelievable shit happen out there. Even with babies, people killing babies, it's crazy shit out there.

Like, it's wicked shit, bro. Terrible. Anything happened out there. Yeah. He's jumping off buildings. This would be crazy shit. It would be like, just crazy shit. Jumping off project buildings, 20 floors.

Right. It'd be crazy shit going up there, anything. And there's one thing that everybody in New York always says that, to me, as I get older, just seems more and more crazy, is just we outside. That's like one thing that every rapper in New York wants to let you know is that they're outside. And I'm like, bro, these days, you don't want to be outside like that. Like, you should definitely just be in the crib as much as possible. No, 10, bro, niggas be saying they outside.

Nikes only be coming outside for their video shoots, real shit. Like, come on, you go over. there you spend through the block, that shit is dead. Like, it's cold as fuck outside. Nobody's outside. Like, niggas be lying, bro. Niggas come outside when it's a video shooting and shit. But these niggas, they don't really be on that, bro.

And if you get money what the fuck, you're going to be outside all day four. Right. On the block. Because being outside is one of the best parts of New York. It's just like being out on the block, hanging out on the stoop or some shit. And that's one of the worst things is once you start to get some level of fame is that all that all that shit is just not as simple as it used to be. It's not what it's not what it used to be at all.

It's like a lot of niggas be hating. It's a lot of hate, envy. You don't know who to fuck around that's hanging on. It could be in your fucking circle. Well, I'm not even in your circle. Just around, niggas. You know projects, black parties, cookouts in the town.

It should be active. It'd be a bunch of fucking people there. You don't know what's going on for me. And then when you get to a certain type of level, you got to just move smaller. I can't believe. You could always go back. Yeah, chill on the block,

but you got to know when to do it and know how to do it. I went to Brooklyn for a week. And I had, like, I didn't have to, but I was riding BMX bikes with the homies the whole time and I hired a fucking seven and a half foot fool with a gun to just follow me around the whole time and just make sure we were good

because I was just thinking, I'm like, this mad rappers in Brooklyn I talk shit about. You know, they could definitely figure out what the fuck is going on and I don't want to be out here with no gun, nothing, so I mean, I just had to do it. But I ain't go a lot, bro. I don't think nothing like that would have been in a bud.

Nick's probably a fight. Nick's probably a jump you with some shit. If you took a shame out there, but I don't think they'd take it there. But you want to know what made me actually. think about it twice, was I was on Math Haver's podcast and he was talking about 6'9

and I referred to the fucking, like his, remember those dudes from Bushook that he was rolling with for a little while? I called them boogers or some shit. I just dissed them and they acted like I said something crazy. And I was just thinking about it.

I'm like, I don't want to be in Brooklyn like almost in their fucking neighborhood for a week and not, and just be rolling around butt naked. You can't be that crazy, but they're running around with a whole rat anyway,

those lugs. That was crazy. They took my, that's the only rat day jacket. I would never expect no nigga to say that shit That was fucking crazy like But then we never saw those dudes again And that's what I want the answers

There's gotta be some YouTuber though I'll make a video about that What happened to those dudes? What's going on with them, right? I don't know Because that was a great, that was a fun era Six Nine probably didn't want to buy them niggas or Mirries no more Something like that. You see you talk about you took them nigga shop

And then all the big is coming where Mary match and Mary shit You know Six Nine bought that shit Yeah I mean I believe that 6'9 was embarrassed by the way that they were talking on that podcast in particular, like, that's the only rat we jagging. I think he realized at that moment, like, I can't really have these dudes around

because they don't even know how to act. They don't know how to talk about me. They don't know how to... They're still saying, you know, right? Yeah. Like, what's the point of having these dudes around if they're going to basically be disrespecting you? Oh, yeah.

It's crazy. So anyway, I saw you getting into my boy, BMG upper class the other day. How did this shit start? Oh, no, BMG. That niggas is just hating to me, bro. Like, he threw out a kid that because he said that he ain't fucking.

the reaction. I didn't care about that. It was that. He just kept, like, throw a mad comments. He'd be throwing mad, negative comments to my music. And, like, it's like, no other reacters. There's no other people who do that. So you just know when it's hate. Feel me, bro? Like, you just know when it's hate, bro. Like, it's like, damn. I was like, bro, what's what's up with you? Like, you mad, old, bro, you're a grown-ass man, bro. Just like, for me, reacting shit, say, you're fuck with the music. They'll be saying, oh, uh, all this shit. That you're going through the shit, I'm rapping this shit. You stop in my lyrics. Like, niggas, I'll say some shit about getting money.

He didn't even niggas think they get money or he just like, when a comment or everything, like, niggas just be like weird, bro. I don't know, bro. It's like he never was, he never was even one at that time before. Like, that nigger was a cool nigger before. Like, I don't know, bro. Niggas be acting weird. I think I might go say, I got on live and I just said that nigger was on some hay and shit.

And he going to come up with a whole shit talking about I told the nigg I told the nigg. So I'm like, I didn't ever say that for me. But for me, for me, I'm a fucking man, bro. If I told you, I'm gonna' like, I went on live with my fiends even know, I told him, like, look at this, he said, say I'm on some hay and shit. I'm like, the first thing I went on love, I'm like, yo, look at this, nigga. He said this fucking freestyle,

my owner radar shit, he said that shit was whack. Nobody else said that shit. Everybody knows what that shit. Like, for me, but he said it was wack. And I'm like, but look what he said. He just kept making, like, negative-ass comments and weird-ass shit. And it's like, you doing that.

You took him out. You were reacting, but you make a negative-ass comments you expect niggins not to say nothing. That's how he got into it with that other nigger, the little Sha'K nigga, too. Don't mean, niggas be arguing, and then you niggas be thinking they expect to say something

really in the streets and expect niggas not to say no back when they already know we disrespect from niggas anyway but it's kind of crazy because then like them as content creators if they have if they actually get a rapper to react then that's just more content for them that's like a feeding frenzy right i don't even worry about that shit i ain't worry about my niggas ain't niggas ain't doing shit bro i'm good man yeah he's in a tricky position though because he's actually like from brooklyn he's actually like kind of out there and stuff and then like if he's having an opinion about somebody but i bet you don't believe it because Or you don't respect it because I bet you think

that there's a bunch of rappers that are trash that he's not talking about. Yeah, hell yeah. He was being, that are way worse than you. No, yeah, man. Oh, my God, this shit is fire. Oh, my God, we got to play this back. Like, come on, bro.

It's got to feel a little personal. You feel, yeah, it's a little bit personal. Like, even if you don't want to admit it, not. It's something. Probably because I ain't going to show or something. He wanted me to go on his check the temperature podcast and I didn't get the go or something. Oh, really?

Yeah. Mm. Because, yeah, like, it's one thing, because this is a weird. new world we live in where you have like podcasters and YouTube creators and stuff who also are like from the streets you know and the most crazy example of it is tax stone because he was like the first cracking hip-hop street podcaster and then he allegedly catches a body over some shit that he was talking on his podcast and it's been like six years and we still don't know like he still

hasn't gone to trial but but that's the the biggest example of like oh you're a podcaster you're a content creator but when you're also like really in the streets shit can get like real complicated with you just saying your opinion on podcast and shit oh yeah it's like bro just say it's like certain shit that you can say you don't just say you don't say oh even if you say this shit whack i don't care but just like just throwing extra like i don't know but it's just like some weird shit to me bro it felt real personal i feel you but in general it's kind of crazy because you got a lot of different like characters out there in terms of like almost drill content creators, like people making videos like Buba and all these other people who are, you know,

some of them are talking shit about the rappers. Somebody like Buba is like showing love and just making funny shit with the rappers. So people like actually appreciate him and stuff. But then there's a lot of people who are critical of them. Like how do you feel about that whole new space? Because a lot of them are like people you probably went to high school with. Let's be real. No, people like, for me, the content creators, bro, it's like they just trying to find a way to like, feel me, have fun with this shit and bring a different light to the drill shit. for me even with the drill artists for me it's just like bringing a different light showing everybody got a little bit of personality somewhere for me and just showing it just showing like everybody

got fun even with cargy creatives and drill rappers get together they can make some shit and just make a vibe for the audience for me and that's what boobber for me boo-b for me do they make funny shit for me of course like in the beginning like he's like holl these niggas probably going a little bit too crazy but it's like once you vibe off the shit just like whatever you would let him put you in a thumbnail with your ops like a picture from google or your ops and it's like playing the ops music in front of them. Oh yeah, niggas, they would do and play the ops music, but at that time, they wasn't put in the pictures

when it was for me doing that shit. Because he makes it look like y'all in the same car or whatever. Yeah, I'm supposed to do it with Buba in the few, so I know you're going to do that shit all the time. Yeah, because at first, when I seen that, I couldn't believe it, because I don't think that shit would fly in L.A. I feel like it would just, I don't know. Maybe it would, maybe.

But the gang shit is so serious out here. I feel like nobody in L.A. would even joke around about it like that. Yeah, oh, yeah. So I don't know. But have you ever seen something that who was doing thought it was like maybe a little bit too close and it might get somebody hurt? Yeah, of course. Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, everybody always make a mistake.

Everybody always make mistakes. And certain shit you might do might be a little bit too. Everybody make mistakes. Everybody says something or do some shit that they really expect. For me, it's always something. But for me, as far as that, everybody always got some shit. But yeah, hell yeah, I've definitely seen some shit. I'm like, probably got to chill because that shit could go.

You don't know how somebody else could feel about that shit. Okay, for sure. So, okay, Flacco was putting me on to all the mixy-ass questions, and he told me that there was basically like a show, or I don't know if it was like a show or a radio show or a performance show with block work, and people were giving you a hard time because of the fact that you're supposed to have some kind of beef with him

and it didn't get brought up or whatever. Like, what was the deal with that situation? For me, we were performing at Joe Nation and shit, shout out of four, one in the all that, for me, popped out of shit. For me, I was on a flyer. I already seen the little nigga was on a fly or whatever. But, you know, for me, at that time, that nigga wasn't even on no beef shit.

He was, remember, that's when that nigga was talking about. He's not beef with nobody. He posts that. I don't beef with DOA, nobody for me. But I was still one time that he called the people that run the show and shit like that. To call him, like, try to, you know, when a person called me like, you know, we don't want no problems and shit like that. Now he had the managers all called him, like,

order the managers, they, K on the managers, four-a-manager already confirmed. They're like, I don't got to keep talking on. Like, for me, he just won't know problem. Like, well, I want to beef for nobody. I got no stagli. I might have been no gang. He wasn't jack at all. He beefing with Eda Baby.

He beefing with naughty. He beefing with Shaiki. Beefing with all these niggas. That now over the son, he fuck with. I'm jack at R.P.9. Like, niggas be weird, bro. So either way, I came to the show, for me. When I came to the show, I walked in the shit,

mad crowding and shit. I spot him in the back and shit. When I spot him, for me, I guess, you know, once as soon as niggas walk in a groom together, they're going to make a video, for me. I spot the nigga. And once I spot the nigga, I turned back around. He was gone.

When I performed, like, for me, he left when I came, though. I mean, that's what happened. But it's not like we did see each other for that little second, for me. Right. Anything could have happened for me. We did see each other for that little second. For me, it was just crowded, man shit was going on. I was talking about it, because I came when I was going on stage,

time I turned back around, that nigga was going for me. That nigga was even on no beef to talk about anyway. That nigga wasn't Jack. He was a fucking civilian. Right. So it was like, snick is pussy, bro. He called his man, cops at the shit. They got hip-hop police at this shit.

Man, extra shit. So they already knew what was going on, especially because they know what's going on with this drill shit. They're like, you're going to have this nigga in the show and this nigga in this show. So we already know what's going on. Because once I came already, they was checking us crazy at the door,

searching all of us crazy, patting us down crazy before we even got in. They had to walk us into the back. So it's like, that shit was just crazy. And it was mad people. We had that shit in New York. So it was like, they would even get drill shows out there. Right.

Yeah. And that's the thing is that like, if you got in a fist fight at a show like that, I feel like New York cops are never letting you fucking perform anywhere ever again. We definitely got arrested because it was inside the spot. Yeah. They were inside. You're going to have to go to Delaware and Jersey and shit

if you want to play shows after that. Yeah, yeah. Either way, bro, that nigga is pussy, bro. Like, that nigga's a bitch, bro. Like, he wasn't on shit, bro. He was Jackie A. He went to beef. He posted statuses for please don't like the post.

They say he'll be for D-O-A. He's not smoking. Nobody does. It's like, that niggas. It's like, real-knocked that nigga, bro. Real shit. Because now, once the four-win-nickers disowned him and shit like that, and shit like that.

And the bro's saved him. They always tell me, like, we regret saving that nigga that night. Really? Because they had a kind of bond with the blockwork, nigger. And I had a bond with them, feel me? So I did, for me, I didn't really want to vote with their respect for them.

Like, but even besides the cop shit, feel me? It was like, I really wanted to do something to that little nigga. But it was just like, for me, niggas got to make this brand. You got to do this for me. Do this show and just make a movie. I already knew when I came, though, he wasn't going to stay there.

And I knew if I would have been in the show, though, that he would have stayed. If we would have been in the show together the whole time, something would have happened for a fact, though. Right. I just know myself. Not even if it was not me, I know my niggas, feel me? Because they was already on that time for the beginning.

Right. Damn. Now I have to tell them, like, the relax. It's got to be such a tricky spot to be in as you, because it's like, on one hand, you're just trying to build a career and get this money and stuff. But then, on the other hand, the fans, like, even if nothing happened at all,

like the fans are still going to have videos y'all in the same room. Actually, that's exactly what happened. Then people got theories about exactly what happened and who was ducking who, and it's just so much pride wrapped up in it that it's just like, it's crazy. And that's why whenever, like so often when you see a rapper popping off out of New York City

is just they either get locked up or they get killed fucking so quickly within the first couple years of the career. So that's why the we outside shit really just sounds crazy to me at this point. Maybe you said that. But you know when niggas get booked, you'd be the main niggas come.

Like, these niggas out, they dumb, they enjoy, they crashed out. They are the career. They should have did this, they should have did that. But those be the same things that we tell you to crash out for me. Right, definitely. So how'd you get cool with the 41 dudes?

Full one for me. Me and K.R., for me, he used to talk with this shit. Yeah, I hit me up in the summer. He was talking about we got to work and shit. I was like, definitely for me. I was fucking with his shit. I'm not going to laugh. I've been listening to them more than any other rappers out the Bronx.

And then that's why when they were like... You know, oh yeah, that's what I meant. But then when I found it, because I got that explained to me by your ops who were on here the other day. They explained that whole dynamic and everything. But I don't know. Like, I feel like Kyle and Jen and shit. Like, they actually are really. And when I seen that you had music with them, that's what made me really want to interview

you at first. Yeah, yeah, they dope. Gangsta, they're different. I ain't gonna lie. For me, we all, like, we all bonded off the music shit, because we all, like, we all know we different with this music shit, this Joe shit, so we just all bonded on the music level. Right. Today, we just drop some shit.

Me, C. Blue, K.R. Jen, Tata, feel me? D. Bills. We just dropped something with K-song from Faze. Yeah, we just did like a collab shit, a whole video all out of years. Did you do that whole video with him? Yeah. Oh, wow. It was different.

That's dope. Yeah, Faze had unproduced the beat with Carl's finger and shit like that. Oh, okay. That was fine. We did a little collaboration and shit. Yeah, that's fine. That's good to hear. Definitely.

So what's up with having, like, essentially the same name as Kenzo B? How's that going? You know it's so crazy, bro. Everybody knows that I've been in my name. I don't know what made her. I want to put her name, I feel me? Really? Like, honestly, bro.

And it's so crazy, bro. I had her on Facebook bad alone, but our girl name is Alia, bro. My name is Alia, bro. a J when my name was Kenzo Bola, you heard. Not even no, not even trying to be on no funny shit. She's not a real gayster. Yeah. Like, her name is not no damn Kenzo B, but I guess she wanted to use that.

But that had been my name for years ago. Four years back on a music video, my name was Kenzo Bola. For me? My name never changed. That'd been my name. And that was way before she even thought about rapping. Right. Yeah, that's just kind of tricky.

Do you think she should change it? Yeah. Because I'm about to copyright that shit. It's weird, though, because it's like, I guess it's dead. different enough that maybe you couldn't copyright it, but it's also so similar that I could imagine to be confusing to a lot of people. All my fans, as with my fans, everybody used to call me Kenzo B, too,

for short. But it's like, now I don't want them calling me that. Right. Because that's her. That's what she wanted jacking. I don't want nobody calling me, because you know, Bola, Kenzo B for sure. Everyone was calling me, I used to say,

Kenzo B on the track, and I don't even want to say that no more. Right. It's like, it's a turn off. Like, it's fucking weird. Real problem. I remember when rappers weren't allowed to have the same name. No, no funny shit, but much. Shit different.

If it was a nigga, I would have applied that I'd press for him, but that's a female. She's supposed to come on here at some point so I could press her about where the name came from. Yeah. Maybe she could change it to her first name, Alia B. Yeah, right? That's what I'm saying. Allegedly. That's what I was the name that was on Facebook.

I know that. All right. So this is also a flaco question right here. A girl went on IG Live and says that you ate her ass and your designer is fake. What was that situation about? That's the definitive flaco question right there. Yo, bro. You know bitches v.

But you know what bitch would be saying. And you know a bitch to be hang when you don't want to fuck with them and shit like that. It was a situation when some bitches mad I didn't want to fuck with her and shit like that. She just wanted to be in due relationship.

I'm like, bitch, you're not even like. And you know, that was a bitch from the other side too. So you know, that's what I said. You got to watch these bitches, bro. These bitches be fucking with ops, for me. Right. And that was for me before I was even,

for me, I had a bitch. I got a bitch at that time. But that was before, for me, I was fucking with that bitch before my new bitch, for me. So it was like at that time for me, So I bitch just wanted to me. You know, bitches be making up anything for me.

My design is far from fake for me. I don't got to really capital now for me. Everybody know what I do in them stores. So, but that bitch is a bozo for me. I don't care about that bitch. You know, I don't know, bro. It's like when you get famous or you get certain cult, like you just be seeing unbelievable shit,

niggas be hain, bitches be haying. Right. I'm trying to say anything for me, try to, for me, kill your character. But you gotta just keep your shit going. You don't gotta focus on that. Do you feel like her saying you ate her ass killed your character?

Is that, is that like a vile accusation? In your minds? I ain't never eat no ass a damn my motherfucking life. What? Why not? Nah, bro, because I just ain't do it yet. You're too young. You'll get into it.

I ain't do it yet. I ain't never said I won't get it to. You gotta get old and freaky, my friend. I don't know. I don't know. I never said I won't get into it, but I don't know why I ain't do it yet. Right.

And that's only for like your wifie. Yeah, how are you? Definitely don't want to be doing that to any scally wag. If I get married, I probably will eat my bitch ass. Yeah. Enjoy the entirety of it. You never know. You never know.

I know. I know you, Adam. Oh, yeah. You be knocking them to fuck down. I'm not the one to ask, yeah. I'm all in on everything. You do knocking shit down. I ain't going to talk on you, gang.

You got it. Yeah, I got issues. Yeah, you got it. So what's the next project that you're dropping? What's the game plan? My next project is even going to drop at the end of this month or the beginning a next month, for me? I want to come out with another project already.

For me, because I drop Mr. Ready to Blitz and I drop Mr. Ready of Blitz de Lux, for me. I dropped that at the end of 2020, for me, and I just for me going crazy for them. but I'm trying to just fuck them on like three, four drops, music, videos and shit like that, and then hit it with another album, for me? That's what so. So when you put out these projects, though, how much of it do you ideally want to experiment on versus doing your more classic drill shit? Ain't a lot of, now I'm really wanting to do half and half, like half of the heartfelt shit

and half of the drill shit, giving both sides. But sometimes maybe I want to put a little bit more heartfelt or a little bit more drill, just depends on how I'm feeling like this song. Right. For me? But I think this next project I'm going to have It's probably going to have more heartfelt shit on it For me just to show them like a different type of bag

That's like I'm going to have to tap it to it Like I ain't always going to give y'all a drill shit Because if you got like a crossover type record That could really hit Then that might be like the biggest thing that ever happened to you So I feel like you got to keep working on that style too Because that shit like has the potential To go way bigger than a lot of the drill shit

You know Yeah definitely that's what I've been trying to do I'm just trying to get this shit So we can really go mainstream mainstream for real and off the drill culture. Definitely. That would be a whole different vibe. How differently do you move at this point?

Are you trying to not be in the Bronx at all anymore? I mean, I'm always in the Bronx still. For me, I always be out there. For me, for me, for me, I always stay in the Bronx. So it's like, but I be out there. For me, it's like, it's just like I shoot my videos out there. I got, I still got my niggas out there, certain niggas.

I still got certain family out there. So I always start down, but I make sure I ain't going to be out there all day, doing a block and shit like that for me like how i used to like how i'm used to doing yeah for me you got to move a certain way now makes sense for sure well i'm fucking with the music and i appreciate you coming on man oh yeah bro i've been watching this shit forever bro i've been watching no jumper for my tv bro appreciate it oh bro at anybody about crib that's all i fucking watching no jumper bro real funny shit bro that's what i'm talking about they need to smash the like button for that

no funny shit bro this shit is active bro i appreciate that means a lot honestly like every time i realize that the new generation has a lot of respect for the platform that just makes me feel like all right all this fucking time and effort has actually been worth it you know for me you mean you and feel me fuck all the ops though i ain't really gonna keep getting no crazy shit but fuck yeah i think it's i i know what's up with me man hey i think is know the face of this shit man so are you really bawling you want to hit the basketball machine out there yeah definitely i was looking at that shit when i first came in no funny shit that's the funny part bro but you know what's up wrong i'm just trying to take this shit to a whole new level 2023

bro i'm trying to just go crazy bro feel me for sure i appreciate that man yeah i appreciate you for having me up here too i wish flaco could have in here but i wish flaco was here bro i really know you had that energy extra crazy dusty ass questions yeah yeah no flaco yo flaco man might have to tap it again bro just so us too if you want to do it man just hit me i like it's the do a foot race too do some crazy shit you think you could outrun him shit i ain't go a lot i got asthma he's a big guy i got asthma he outran a girl who worked here and she fucking fell

and ate shit and that kind of that was the last time that he had a race. Oh, you've seen that? No, yeah, I'll be watching all that shit, bro. I swear, bro. Shout out Gina. Shit, shout out of 80, man. I'll be seeing him, shout out of 80. I thought I didn't see 80 here here, but for me watching this shit too.

He'll be here later, but like four hours later. All right, back. All right. I appreciate you, man. Thanks so much. Bang. No jumper. Coolest podcast on world.

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