No Jumper - Kissa Sins on Marrying Johnny Sins, Hooking Up with Adam, New B**bs & More

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

Kissa Sins talks about her come-up, how she met her husband, how they been together for 10 years and more! ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! nojumper.com SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm doing an interview with Kiss of Sins. And as we were just discussing, the circumstances are kind of unfortunate. Yeah, it was supposed to be sucking your dick right now, I think. Right, yeah. So we were supposed to be filming an episode of Plug Talk today. I know that my girl has been looking forward to working with you for a long time. She likes you a lot.

I personally, I was excited to do the scene as well. I was excited. Seeing you right now, you look better than the last time I've seen you too. So, you know, I feel like if anything, you're improving in value. But then my girl used some fucking makeup cream. Is that what happened? Yes. And now her whole face has exploded.

She looks like a, you know, I'm not even going to say it, but she does not look like the prior ethnicity that she was. She kind of looks like the elephant man. I'm not going to lie. It's pretty bad. She's still cute, though. She is still cute. Yeah, I'm going to give her that.

For sure. And actually, to be fair, today, her face is starting to look normal. She kind of looks like a human being again today. Still suck your dick. What are you doing tonight? Late night? I don't know. Sucking your dick.

She might not be down. Anyway, I'm excited to have you here. Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. And I'm glad that you wore like a thumbnail friendly shirt because I've watched some other interviews with you where you were wearing like a hoodie. Yeah. And I was just kind of thinking like, come on.

Do you want this to not get views or do you, you know, like wear a fucking good shirt? A good shirt will take you far when it comes to views. Yeah, click bait. But honestly, though, if you wear like a crazy enough shirt, YouTube might not make any money off it. So this is like a good compromise. I honestly think it's pretty solid. Nicolette Shea.

I couldn't get that one, monetized. Yeah, well, I could have matched. She's not a monetized. She knows it. They're too big. Like the thumbnail, like they just, they couldn't even fathom. Yeah. We have nice boobs too, so.

What are they called mobs? They look good in that shirt. M-Z-0-0-B-S. Yeah, no, actually. was my second Jesus shirt in two days. Like I had a package from some other company yesterday and I had a Jesus shirt and so I wore it. And then I opened up another package today from half evil and boom, another Jesus shirt. You seem really religious.

I'm not at all. Yeah. I was actually just thinking about how, because there's like an older poker pro that I was thinking about interviewing and I was thinking maybe I would put makeup over the upside on cross on my face. Maybe. I just think he would probably. Like I think that that could ruin the interview. if you were to see that. I think it's cool.

I think I'll see my favorite tattoo of yours. Is it? Yeah, it's bad. Well, you haven't seen me naked. Or I guess you probably have. Does it have? I sucked your dick before. Oh, right.

Okay. To be fair, before it seems like too cool that I don't remember that. Yeah, you're so fucking dope. But no, but it was like 40 seconds. Yeah, that's true. It was like very brief. Does it count?

Does it count? Oh, yeah. Because I remember thinking, like, damn, because I was like brand new to you know i had been hanging out with some porn girls for a while but i was like really in it and i'm like wow i just got like a quick kids of a single blow job in this apartment that's crazy i didn't even nut or anything i don't know it must have been painful driving home after that um all right let's do a little bit of the the early days where are you from tell me about your early life um i'm from

passing in california oh okay i was born in i was not until i was about 12 um well that's not I moved to Canada when I was young and lived there until I was 12. And then I was a horrible child. So I got sent back to California to live with my dad. So it was like a divorce situation. Horrible how? Like I was just the worst. Like I did acid and they got all my tattoos and I was like 13.

And I was just a crazy bitch. And well there's a lot of abuse. Like I don't know if you want to get into that sad part. But like there's a lot of abuse as a childhood. So then once I was 13 and I found drugs. I was just like fuck this I'm like sick really so I just did drugs but so you discovered those in Canada or when you got back to California as soon as I got sent to California I did acid and all the things like my 13th year and who was getting you into it just local kids like I always like to hang out with like the shitty people you know like the fun people right the bad guys you were just interested and having a good time basically is that how you would characterize it yeah like anything when you're doing something wrong just feels like fun and I like to have fun I don't like what the consequences are. I had a lot of that in me as a kid too for sure.

And when I look at young people who are like focused on studying to get into a good college and they're doing sports and everything and I'm just like fuck like what is it in you that has made you just be so well-behaved and so focused when I couldn't bring myself to do anything when I was in high school besides like exactly what I wanted. Yeah, well that's great. That's fucking great. Like didn't we make it? We made it. Yeah, it worked out for us but like most people like my mom

me she always tell me she goes Adam you're going to end up in prison Have you not been to prison? No but like just based on my mentality She was just like this is like This is not how the world works Like you're going to have to do things you don't want to do She was wrong

Well as a person who owns a business Yes there are a lot of things you're going to do That you don't really like want to do in the moment I guess that's like a pure adult star There's less of that Well no that's not true Because you got to show up and do it No matter what

Still fuck the government It's fine Big anarchy sign on my face. All right, so 13, you start getting crazy with drugs and everything. And then what? And then I was like in and out of juvenile hall. I got my nickname Coyote. You know, it's like my Instagram handle all my stuff when I was a Juvie.

Right. Like, I was just like a little shit hole. Why do they call you that? Were you running people back and forth from the border? That's whatever with things. But no, it was because I guess they, like, little Mexican gangsters in Juvie name me that because I could either run with a pack and like blend in with a bunch of people. people and be really social, but I'm really actually an introvert.

And coyotes are like that. They're solitary animals, but then they're like pack animals, too. I don't know. I feel like it was really deep. I feel like that's a very intricate nickname to get in juvie. I feel like in juvie, it's more like you have a scar on your face, so they call you scar face. Or like, you're short, so they call you shorty.

That's a pretty deep nickname, though. Yeah, it's cool. What is your ethnicity? I'm rushed at an Italian. I'm sorry. But were the Mexican kids, like, kind of claiming you as one of their own? Yeah, I hanged with a lot of ex-kids, like, growing up, and, like, I grew up in Stingerville Valley in California. Okay.

Just, like, a lot of ex-kids, and, yeah. Right. Okay. So, what were you going into Juvie, though, for? First, for just running away and, like, stupid shit, and then, like, possession and GTA and stuff. You're stealing cars? Well, actually, the first car that I ever fucked up on, it was a mistake. I bought a stolen car by mistake, because I was, you know, when you're 15 and a half, you could get your driver's permit or whatever you call it.

And I was like brand new and stupid and drugs. And I bought an Accura Integra, a 91 Accur Integra. For how much? For like, I don't even remember. But I thought it was a great deal. Stealing? No, I wasn't that bad. I was not that bad.

But I got pulled over and it was stolen. And he had like faked a pink slip or whatever you call it. But then I had like drugs on me. So then I went to jail for that. Yeah, that's a really good way to get ripped off these days. Even now, like, if you, if someone will hit you up, if you're selling your car online or whatever, and they'll come and they'll give you a cashier check, and then the cashier check is fake or some shit like that. Like, people still get God like that constantly.

Still? Oh, yeah. I'm not the only stupid one. No, I watched the whole YouTube video about this guy now who got got got like that. Like, somebody came all the way to his house, acted, like, befriended him, all this shit. And then it was all bullshit. Yeah. Just took the car.

Well, imagine how happy that guy was a 15-year-old idiot showed up. He was like, yes, this is. Yeah. Like, they're never going to pick up. me up for what I'm doing here. Were you having boyfriends all through high school and stuff? What was your dating life like? I had a long-term boyfriend from like 15 till 21.

Oh, wow. So I actually wasn't a slut until I got into porn. And he was a great guy? What kind of guy was he? Yeah, he was a cool dude. I mean, he was a bad boy, and we got into a lot of trouble together, but we still talk like ever since. And he really loved me.

We loved each other. It was like our first. So you don't have a bad review of your boyfriend that you had when you were 15. This is usually, usually people's review of their 15 year old boyfriend is pretty bad. No, I've actually had really good. I've only had one kind of shitty boyfriend, but he wasn't that shitty. He was just whatever. I've had a really good.

I don't know. I seem to find good people in my life somehow. Despite all odds. I think part of it is because they want to bang you. Well, maybe that's work for me. They want to bang you so bad that they become a better version of themselves. It'll work. I'll take it.

Okay. So then what do you, do you graduate? school? No, absolutely not. Okay. I only finished freshman year. Okay. And then what are you doing? You just running around like in the streets? What were you doing? Um, then I became a raver. I was a raver for a really long time and just went to festivals and had fun and just like what you were saying, like just doing exactly what the fuck I wanted all the time. And it always worked out. I did always have a job. I'm a very good worker, you know, um, just fight all the other stuff. What kind of work were you doing? Um, my first job out was a manager at Togos. Remember Togos? Sandwich kind. Oh yeah, yeah.

see it right yeah it's like a subway I've never been there or thought about going there to be honest well I'm not sponsored that's a chain though that like you move from the east coast and you see it and you're just like no yeah I'm just never gonna find out what they have to offer yeah and I was a manager at 16 so if that tells you anything wow um okay can we get the AC up a little bit too it's not honey it is hot um okay so when you were raving what was the actual lifestyle like um basically like Thursday, Friday, Saturdays,

and then sometimes Sunday in San Diego, we would just go and do, like, lots of ecstasy. Right. And just stay up all night and have fun. Just ecstasy or are you mixing with other drugs? I used to cook ketamine. Oh, wow. Oh, should I not see that?

No, no, you definitely said it. Actually, I know a guy. Yeah, we used to cook it. Like, I don't know why. We'd go down to T.J. And get these, like, vials of the Kwee liked is called Anasket. Because you can just buy it from the pharmacy, right?

It was $10 a vial. And then you'd go home and cook it, and it would turn into this much ketamine and then you could sell it for like $20 a bump at a rave so we were just, it was... And it's like how inexpensive is it in Mexico? $10 for a vial. And then...

So you could like 100 or 200 extra money? Who knows, yeah. And we didn't keep track of any ofics. We're all doing it as well. But we made a fucking ton of money. Wow, yeah, because whenever, like I was just in Tulum a couple, maybe a year or so ago, and I seen like testosterone,

volume, like all the pain pills, like all the pharmacies just list off everything they have. Yeah. I didn't see ketamine. Yeah. Maybe they got that under control. I don't know. I don't know anywhere.

So was there ever like an abrupt stop to the raving life or were you just whaling out? I guess when I, sort of when I got into porn, I guess is when, like, I stopped because I couldn't be on drugs and then look good the next day. And I guess that's kind of, that kind of got it out of. Porn was actually really good for me. That's interesting because so many people think, like whenever I'm talking to random people, they think that porn is just like everybody getting fucked up and filming. It's not. I'm sure there are girls who are fucked up on set.

And I think I can think of like one or two times where I suspected that the girl might have been on something. Yeah. But for the most part, no. Not really. Because when you're on drugs, you can kind of tell. Like if I'm, if I'm watching a girl get fucked off Xanax, A, not good for the scene and B, I'm 100% going to know.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's just dangerous. I think it is like a positive thing. I can't even smoke weed before a scene. I'm a stoner, but I can't. I'll just be all giggly and fucking weird. One of the only times that I had a hard time

getting hard was because I fucking faced a blunt with the girl right before the scene. You're like, you want to just like eat snacks? No, I just like my fucking dick just didn't really seem like it was working. I got it done, but it wasn't easy and normally it's really easy. So that was traumatizing.

Okay. So are you getting into porn though? The tale goes that you just emailed Johnny or message Johnny sins out of the middle of nowhere. How did this go? Okay, so I was with a long-term boyfriend at the time. I'm a long-term relationship person. And I had just gotten out of it.

And I really wanted to bang someone, but I was, like, he was my third boyfriend, so the third person I ever slept with. So I just wanted to fuck someone, but I wanted it to be, like, a good dick. Like, I didn't want to waste it on, like, a little one or, like, I don't know. I used to think that, like, dicks would, like, be stinky or something. Some aren't. You're, like, all the time. I don't know what I thought.

So I wanted to have a good quality dick if I was going to do it, you know? And I was on Instagram, like, back before DMs even. Like, this is how old. Because I heard it was in the comments. Yeah, it was in the comments. On an Instagram post that you guys were going back and forth. Yeah. So I was like.

I remember that too when you'd be trying to holler at a girl and like praying they don't see your phone number in the fucking comment. Like everyone could see. Yeah. Including your girlfriend. That was real. But so you just figured this is the guy. Like, which I actually think is really smart. Yeah.

Because a lot of girls don't know what it's like to get like really high. quality dick. Yeah, well, like they get railed properly. And if you want a 100% guarantee, then you might want to dip into the porn industry because these are people who do this for a living. Yeah. And like I didn't know, I didn't know people's names back then, but I recognized him as the bald brazzers guy. Like I was like, I know that guy. And so I hit him up and tried to have my first one night stand. And I like slept over, like inseparable ever since. We went to Mexico for six weeks, like a month later. So it's just immediately you guys hit off like crazy. Because we're so opposite,

you know, like, if he was here, I'd be super shy, he's really quiet, he's like a nice guy, and I have not. Because a while back, I remember watching you guys on Logan Paul, and Oh, I was so stoned. Okay, you were stoned? I had taken, like, no,

not a thousand, maybe 150 milligrams of edibles before it, because I didn't really want to go on that podcast. Sorry for saying that publicly. Sorry, Logan. I'm sure he's I'm sorry. I was, I don't know, I just took a bunch of, I was just like... But you're one of the few points stars they made it through before they stopped interviewing porn stars because they don't do it anymore I heard I don't know if I said anything I remember watching it and like my interaction with you was like

a this like 40 second blow job and then I remember seeing you at the the expo one time at the avians and you were like super full of life and energy so so when I think about that time I saw you and the 40 second blow job tons of energy super like charismatic I immediately was like oh I could totally tell why there goes a big name in porn like because a lot of times it's like the looks is one thing but the personality will really be what like puts somebody a hundred percent but then i watched that episode and i'm kind of like a i'm not seeing that energy that i was talking about and b her and johnny seemed like a weird fit in this episode like i'm baffled that this relationship works out did anyone else say anything i fucked up yeah everyone said something all the comments are like what is she on and i'm just like

right i mean i had fun Yeah. But okay, like right when you meet him, like what would you say are the things that brought your personality together? Because my observation of him, he seems like an incredibly nice guy. Yeah. He seems like kind of a simple guy. Like he doesn't, he's not like voicing crazy opinions left and right. He seems really happy. Yeah. He like seems very content. Yeah. He's very, very, very chill. Yeah. Very chill. But and when we first met like I thought that he was going to be, I guess I had a like a preconceasing. thing of porn stars, especially porn men, that he was going to be, like, arrogant. I don't know what I thought I was wrong, but I was a total newbie. I didn't even know what webcaming was. Like, I was a prude. Johnny was the fifth person I ever had sex with. Wow. And then, yeah. And was it everything you hoped for in terms of it being a great. It was like hurting it. I remember that my pussy looked like a baseball at the end. Like I had gone to the bathroom and like the pussy lips on the inside swelled up so much that like there was

no hole left and the outside was like it looked like a baseball and I was like yay so but I finally I'm a size queen a baseball in like the fatness or are you also talking about like the red stitching like I don't know you couldn't even see it it looked like a fucking monster but was his dick that much bigger than all the other dicks you'd encounter in your life um well my first boyfriend that the other guy he had a big dick too but like not only does johnny have a big dick but he'll like rock your ass out you know and I was like a civilian girl so I think that he really like was like extra try. Because I know some girls are shot with them fairly recently and I just saw that they

uploaded the video to Twitter and it's like hour and 45 minute scene of me and so-and-so and Johnny Sins and I'm just like like if me and Lenish shoot a scene with a girl and it takes 35 minutes, we think of that as a long time. That's a long time. Yeah. I mean, that's like a nice solid scene. That's a good sexual experience. Hour and 45 minutes.

I'm like, holy fuck, you're insatiable. Like you know what it is? I feel like certain porn guys, they really want to get. Not their money's worth, but like their time's worth. Like if I drove here and I showed up, we're just going to get two hours of footage. Like, why would I drive all over here to get a half hour of footage when I'm going to get two hours of footage? Exactly. And I wondered sometimes, like, do the fans want two hours of footage?

I don't really know. I don't know either. When I watch porn, I skip a head like crazy. Like, I just basically, it's just like, mm-mm-mm. Whenever girls are talking about, like, their porn skits in front of my face, I want to laugh at them. What's a skit? I'm like, the intro. Oh, I can't do this.

I want to laugh in their face. because I'm like, I've been watching for my whole life. I've never seen one. Who's watching those? I don't know. Like Brazzers, people love those fucking intro. But you think their fans love it though, right? They do.

Yeah, they do. Because they're so interactive in the comments on, like, the Brazzers fans really run, like, Brazzers really listens to the fans because they're really interactive. Yeah, see, I don't want to like be presumptuous. Because to me, when I hear girls talking about, like, the acting part, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? But, but I mean, clearly, it's the same thing with me.

Like, I don't know why anyone would want to watch. incest porn. Yeah. But it's huge. Oh my God, I'm the same way. I gotta accept it. Like, okay,

it is what it is. It's big. I've never heard anyone else say that. I'm not against it or anything, but I just don't, like, I don't really want to fuck my mom that bad thing. No.

If that had never been suggested to me, I never would have even thought of it. Like, why the fuck would I want to see that? My family are actually the last people on earth that would want to have sex with. For every reason. I have so many reasons. I have so many good reasons.

Some of them are male. Yeah. Some of them are assholes. Elderly. All that. I don't get it either. Yeah, I don't get it. But so, okay, you're in the bathroom, staring at your face after getting this.

My vagina. After this two-hour fucking. Yeah. What are you thinking? I was so happy. You're like, I want more. Yeah, I was so fucking happy about it. And then I, like, slept over and, like, we're just, that was it?

What's the biggest differences between you guys, personality-wise, though? Probably everything. Like, we agree on, like, most things, the important things in a relationship, but he's very shy and very, you know, like you say, he's not opinionated. He's just like a go-with-the-flow kind of guy. He's a really good person. Let me ask you, is he shy in everything besides sex? Yeah.

And that's where he sort of comes alive. That's his only time that he can, like, connect with other people. Because he doesn't have many friends in a way that, like, he just aren't interested in that type of stuff. So I think the way that he has human connection is with sex. And it's the only time that he's not nervous because, like, he'll walk in. He's all fucking buff. He's got a big old dick. He knows this is the thing that he's better than damn near everybody at.

That's my thing. Yeah, I feel that. Because sometimes that's how I feel the podcast shit. Like, I'm really good at this. But then I'm in the bar and, like, people want to talk to me.

And I feel like, this is the same fucking thing I do on camera, but I don't know what the fuck to say to you. Really? Yeah. Yeah, that's so cute. So Johnny Sins is like, I could fuck the shit out of you for four hours.

But the small talk? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's so weird. He's like, hi, nice to teach you. Right. And he's like, crazy. Wow.

Yeah. So, okay, that was how I went at first. Like, how does it start to seem like, oh, we're actually in a relationship? We're not just fucking one time. I guess it kind of felt like that for us both immediately. Like, we were really inseparable after that. Really? Yeah, and that was almost 10 years ago.

Wow. Yeah. And he was living in Hawaii at the time? No, he was living in Northridge at the time. Oh, okay. And I was in Pasadena. All right. And so do you guys end up moving in soon after?

Yeah, we went to Mexico, and then we went to Mexico, and then we went. moved, I moved to Vegas because he was, I was still like a prude girl. I was running restaurants and stuff. I used to be like a wedding planner. And he was, I was working like 70, 80 hours a week. And he was like, oh, yeah, I guess I'm going to fuck off to Mexico for a month or I'm going to take this day off. Like he had such a chill schedule that I was like, I'll never do porn. Like I didn't judge for it, but I was like, I could never. But after a while I was like, I should probably do porn because you have such a better schedule. So I moved to Vegas together because I was a stripper.

Okay. Which I was awful at. And you wanted to keep stripping, regardless of the porn thing? Well, I hadn't, I guess, sorry, I explained that wrong. Like, first, I went to Vegas to become a stripper as like a, I'm not going to do porn, but I'll do this, you know? And then I was the worst stripper that's ever lived. Why?

Because I'm more of like a dude. Like, I would get there. Like, first of all, I got the job and I had never put makeup on ever. So I had to, like, put all this eyelashes on and all this stuff. And then what I would usually do at the strip club is sit down and like have a like a conversation like the way we're having. And like I would buy my own drinks and then just sit there all night. It made me feel gross to be. I don't like the feeling of that.

I don't think that I could go to a fucking room and just have to be nice to people that I don't actually fuck with. Yeah. And they're mean to you. And they're like, I was trying to like, I just felt gross and taking advantage of, I guess. So I lost a lot of money. Okay. But all right. So from early on, is there any.

level of jealousy with you and Johnny, like you're like knowing that he's just going and filming with other girls? Is that bothering you? Well, on average, Johnny says that he can count on one hand how many times I was jealous out of like, I don't know, he fucks 30 girls a month for 10 years. So it's usually not a problem. But in the beginning, was it more of a problem or less of a problem? Yeah, the first time he ever went to work, I was, I cried and it was sad, but then I processed it and it was just like a job and I get it. And you know what it is really is that Johnny makes it the easiest it could possibly be like his reputation in the industry is that he's the most respectful guy. He never tries to get at the girls. He like comes in. He works on his laptop. He's really quiet.

And so I guess his reputation helped me. You know, because he didn't, it didn't feel scummy or sleazy. It felt like he was going to work. And that was him and he loved it. It probably helped that he was already doing it for a while before you met him too. So it's kind of like, oh, this is this is how I fell in love with you. Yeah. I can't just like walk in and be like, can you change everything? Right. And then it became hot. And then I became getting, I got close with some of the girls. And then that really became fun.

Then I used to send, like, notes with him for some of my favorite girls. You know, like, I love you. Like, I hope he makes you come today. Right. So then it made it fun. And then we started having threesomes. And then I really, like, just got turned out. Had you hooked up with girls before this, though?

Yeah, I did. I had a girlfriend when I was 18. Okay. So I've always like, I might be gay still. Right. So, yeah. But then did you get, like, really? enthusiastic about hooking up with him and other chase yeah like I fucking love having

three soos like I just like devour women and I really love women and the most but I need a big dick as well you know so the dynamic of it and so then it just became like this fun thing did you guys ever have a conversation early on of like I'm fucking other girls but you're not fucking anybody else um well at first I was only fucking Johnny right he was my only dick for three years. But did he mention that or was that just how it was? Well at first I wanted it to be like that because I like to feel like if I could have one good dick and one million girls that would be my ideal like situation basically like that's all I really care about so I liked being like I like to be a good girl like I liked that I was like his special one and like you go do whatever you want and

stuff like that but then after three years and that's three years of you shooting porn with him as well right yeah for browsers and everything like I would only use him and then after a few years I got bored like I wanted to you to explore so that's when I signed a deal with Jill's Jordan was that a conversation with Johnny or yeah it was a decision we made together and was did he had a hard time with it at all or was yeah he regretted it after really yeah because he thought like logically he thought like I feel like jealousy when you look at it really logically makes no like you're like no I get it like you're going to work it's fine like it logically I get this I trust you but then sometimes jealousy

just happens anyway, you know? Like, yeah, of course he was jealous. Because, all right, so from my perspective as a person who's on a lot of porn sets, there is a weird dynamic about it where, let's say you're my girlfriend and you're going to work and you just like literally walk into the room, boom, you do the scene and then you walk out. That's not actually how it is. A lot of the guys, not all the guys, but a lot of the guys are walking in the room and

they're grabbing your ass and they're making out of you and smelling your hair, which, to their credit, this is, from their perspective, this is how they get warmed up for the scene is like you know instead of just going straight into doggy style you're going to you know feel each other out and try to get comfortable with each other a lot of times the guys are doing that maybe not even for themselves but because they want to just get the girl comfortable and stuff like that and that's the stuff that all the little extras that you know sucking the guy's dick for 20 minutes to get him hard because he's having a hard time all that stuff is what I think and and he being in the industry he knows all about that shit there's no hiding it he knows exactly how it is

Is that like some of the stuff that started to Probably yeah I think so Interesting And like just coming home and are just like Destroyed because I'm also Johnny's also like a very like nice vanilla performer You know and I'm just not Like I'm a fucking crazy bitch

So I'd come home with like cum in my eyes And like like I would take a shower and everything And I was respectful but like yeah it was a lot So like oh hi honey like It's interesting because I feel like If you're gonna be a porn boyfriend You have to either be good at like compartmentalizing it and just putting it out of your head

and not thinking about it, or you have to like it. Yeah. Yeah, like you're super into it. Right. There's some guys out there who if you come home and your fucking vagina is leaking come,

they're going to be turned on by that. I wouldn't like that. Not a huge percentage of guys, I'm guessing, but there are guys who like that shit. Yeah, but you're totally right. Like, if they're into it,

then that's like the only safe time, you know? Like, they'll be jealousy unless you're like a cook. Yeah. You know, but I wouldn't want someone to want that either. But were you guys like that in your private life,

too? Would you ever fuck dudes together? No, No. I've never even had a threesome with a guy with him. Really? He won't do, he's done one D.P. in his life, I think. And he won't even do, like, orgy scenes if there's another guy there, unless he gets a girl and they get their girl.

Like, a boy, boy girl, or, like, imagine me and you, and then they were fucking. But we don't switch. Please. Please. She's like, leave me out of it. Laura's like, I've been doing this shit for all these years. And finally you're going to put me in this scene with Josh. Okay.

She's like, what do you do you? She's like, I've been helping you for all these years, and you're going to make me fuck Josh. Okay. Off the topic, on this topic. Right. Yeah, yeah. But okay, what do you think it is?

You think he's just, like, very, like, gayphobic, or is he just, that's 100% not his thing? It's not his thing, and I don't, he's definitely not gayphobic because he's, we've talked about it a lot where he almost wishes that he could be gay, you know? Like, he's like, oh, look. It's just so freeing. You know, girls are so fucking difficult to bang them

and you, to court them and the whole thing. But, like, gay dudes, like, have a lot of gay friends. And they'll be on Grindr and it'll say, like, oh, a guy wants to suck your dick 15 feet away and they're just, like, looking. And then they go to the bathroom and they bang. So Johnny's really, like, jealous of that aspect. And when you think about that, monkeypox makes perfect sense.

No, but, all right, I remember I was with a girl. We were at the movies. We're in Long Beach. and we're looking for like a bar that we can go get some drinks at afterwards, right? This is 10 plus years ago. And we see that there's a bar. We kind of like realize on the way

that it's a gay bar, but it's like, whatever. I'm with you. We'll just go in and get some drinks or whatever. And we go in there. And it's like almost closing time at a gay bar in downtown Long Beach. And these motherfuckers are in. I've seen like five hairy ass fat dudes

in a conga line just dancing with it. I was like, what the fuck? And just something about the energy. And it's like I'm picking up in the energy as a person who's not trying to fuck a dude. But I'm picking up on it like, I've never been in a room like this where there's so much mutual wanting to fuck each other going on. Because my whole life, I've been going to bars and shit. And it's like, you know, to get a girl that give you a number is difficult. To get a girl that kiss you is like fucking extremely difficult in all things considered.

Never mind sex. You walk in the gay by these dudes are dying to fuck each other. Yeah, it's a very different thing. Yeah, it's awesome. And if all you care about is making money from porn, then of course you would want to be gay because there's just more work you can do. Yeah, fuck yeah.

Yeah, yeah. They should have like a mental, like a brain surgery that turns you bisexual. That's a good idea. You think they have that? Johnny would sign up for that immediately. He would die, though. He'd for sure.

But what if it fucks up some other shit in your brain, too? Like, all of a sudden you don't like frosting anymore. I think you'd take it. Or like. It's a good deal. Yeah, fuck frosting. Frosting is the thing you thought of it. I mean, just anything.

Like, what if it just, like, cross some other wires as well? I don't know. Okay, but so once you start shooting with other guys as well, were you, like, how many different experiences did you have with that? And, like, I don't know, like, just what was different about shooting with these guys who don't really, like, know you or have a reason to treat you a certain way that's like you're kind of strangers in comparison, right? Yeah, it was really, it was really weird. my first couple scenes like I signed with Jules.

I signed a really big contract with Jules. So I got to pick everybody and I knew a lot of the guys. But it was it was really fun because it was a way to explore my sexuality and like be a crazy whore. But I also felt safe, you know, at the testing. And there's other people in the room so it's not quite awkward. You know, like I love when there's a camera when you bang, you know, because I feel like it's more comfortable. Like the pressure. I don't know, do you know what I mean?

Like it's less awkward. I like the camera. I like the camera. I don't think I would even know what the fuck to do if there wasn't a camera at this point. I haven't had an off camera 3. Some is so long. Like, we might as well film it. Like, fuck.

Yeah, because I feel kind of guilty when, like, the girl's sucking my dick. And I see that the cameraman's, like, pointing the camera away. He's, like, changing a setting or something. And she's still sucking my dick. And I'm kind of like, all right. Like, if we're not doing this on camera, this is not right. I'm in a relationship. Oh, you're so cute.

Yeah, I mean, I'm... You're such a good person. Just, it just feels a little weird. Because I had to shoot one episode of Plugtax out without Lena one time. Oh, how is that? I mean, it was fine. So are you only work with? Yeah.

Yeah. Which I really, you know, obviously being single, I'm sure it's fine and dandy, but I don't know. Like I just feel like it's, it simplifies the whole thing. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. You know, like she's like my partner in it. I've never had to shoot without her besides that one time. And it just, I don't know. It was fine.

It just felt, I don't know. You felt like I was cheating. It felt kind of weird. Like, I enjoyed it. It's so cute. But knowing she didn't want to hear. about it after. She didn't ask about it. Just kind of acted

like it didn't happen. She since had conversations about it where she again acknowledges that she just kind of tried to not think about it. Oh. Well, this is what I mean. It's like she logically knows like she logically knows but jealousy just still creeps in. It doesn't matter. It's just such an internal like human feeling. It's like

tribal, not tribal. Because my girl used to get drunk when we have threesomes and then like you know something would set her off a little bit. She'd be yelling at the girl or something. Not yelling at the girl. I know you mean. For sure yelling at me. We're just getting in her feels. That's hard.

Especially, like, you think, oh, I'm going to get drunk and that'll make me comfortable. And then it's actually like, no, you get drunk. And then you get, like, weird and more jealous about random things. You're crying. And another thing. Yeah. You had a little bit of that. But then at a certain point, it's like, you know, just sort of like, I think it's like being a, like an assassin.

Yeah. It's like you get into the game. You kill your first person. It's probably tough. You killed 20 people. I mean, shit. It's like, what's one more? It's like, ah, fuck it.

Yeah. That's why when people are like, oh, don't you feel bad about shooting with 19-year-old girls? I'm like, not if they shot with 20 fucking dudes before me. I mean, it's like... She got gangy-banged yesterday. I think she's all right. What worse is going to happen, yeah, for sure.

Okay, but so you kind of discover that you like doing all this other types of stuff. Did you ever have any regrets about going off and doing constantly with other guys when it did impact your relationship? I mean, yeah. I guess in an extent. to a certain extent, but like Johnny even says that since he's met me that I'm the most sexual person he's ever fucked, which is like a big compliment coming from him. So I think that I was destined to do porn, you know, and explore. And I felt bad, I guess, a little bit, but I put

up with a lot and it's, we're all good now. So I think it was worth it. Has the relationship been consistent this whole time? You guys ever take breaks? We took a break. For how long? I moved, two years. But we were still like talking all the time. It was mainly because, I quit. Well, I didn't quit, but I took a break and I went and traveled the world alone by myself. Because I was going to do that right before I met Johnny, and then the one-night stand thing failed. So then I never went to do my world travel. So then once I was working with other guys, like I was living in Hollywood. He was living in Vegas. That's when we took a break. I traveled the world for a year. Came back. The pandemic, we were separated,

but only because I was living in L.A. And then. And he was in Hawaii? He was in Vegas. Oh, okay. So you just didn't really get to see each other much? Because we lived in Hawaii twice. a couple years ago, five years ago, and then we're back now in Maui, I bought a house. Right. I mean, what is life like out there? I fucking love it. I love it, too. It's the best.

It's like a very good introvert life. Yeah. If I didn't have to constantly be dealing with people, like, on camera and shit, I would love to fucking live out there. Yeah, it's really fun. Oh, those are retire out there. It's so chill. If everyone I knew died, then I would definitely move out there.

But as long as I have, like, connections with people, I feel like I can't just go be alone out there. No, it is hard. It is hard. It does get. It's kind of, well, I don't get lonely. But I, like, import a lot of people, you know.

You fly people out to film with. Yeah, or not even film with. But I really like it because, like, I'll be alone for, like, a week or two. And then some of my friends, like, from all over the world, you know, from my travels will come for two weeks. So then I have it's all chaotic and hectic and fun. And then they fuck off and I get my alone time. And then people come.

So it's perfect. Right. And I grow all my own food. And I'm like one of those people. I grow mushrooms and, like, all my vegetables. A loser. Right. Does that bring you a lot of happiness, though, at this point? Yeah, like, all I want to do is cook and garden.

Really? That gives you the most pleasure. Yeah, I cook all day. Have you made, like, a stupid amount of money with porn so you feel comfortable just gardening? Yeah, kind of. Kind of do nothing. Really? That's the danger with porn. I know. You might have fucked enough at some point that it's kind of like, maybe I don't have to do this anymore. Yeah, and all the residuals, and I'm totally enabled by that.

Really? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, because I watched a video that this guy. I made about Johnny and you. And he's basically putting out this narrative that Johnny gave you your entire career. And that then you fucking basically betrayed him by shooting with other guys.

And he even talks about being at an awards thing. And you walk in with Marcus Dupree. He's got his arm around you. And he's basically like using your relationship as a cautionary tale to explain why. Women. I mean, yeah, like basically like showing knowing how if you're a man and you give a woman too long of a leash, she's going to fuck you over,

etc. Do you agree with that narrative? No, not at all. Like, first of all, I helped Johnny a lot. Like, Johnny did all his work himself, but I'm an SEO person and I'm really into marketing. And I started a blog when we first got together that had like a million viewers a month. The blog was doing that good. That blog. I killed it.

Forgot an era because people just like forget how important blogs were at that time. And it was hard. And like I really painted Johnny in a different light. that made people like, we created something together and it's not that he wasn't popular. I'm not trying to take credit for it, but I helped the whole thing. And we grew and blossomed together into this thing.

And then we decided that I was gonna shoot with other guys. Like, come on also at the same time, it's like he wanted me to make the money, right? Because what do after a while, you know? So I made all kinds of fucking money and we grew together and never betrayed him. People have this weird narrative I like cheated on him. Even he's being like 10,000.

girls since I've known him, but I cheated on him. Yeah, look at the fuck. People are so mean to me when we took our break. They were bullying the shit out of me. So the break was public? The break was public. People knew that you guys were taking time apart. But you never officially...

My whole life's online, hey. But did you say we are broken up? Or do you say we're taking a break? We're taking a break. Okay. Because we were always taking a break. It was never like... I think we always knew we were going to get back together.

Like, we texted every single day. We were just kind of doing... I kind of feel like when you're with someone for 10 years and you take a break like that but you still talk it's like he's just giving me the freedom to go travel and like let's do our thing you know we'd ever lost touch with each other and i never cheated on him it seems like such a mature thing yeah yeah to be able to say listen you do your thing for however long you need to do it and then we'll reconvene and get back to our relationship i mean i felt like 99% of relationships aren't strong enough to be able to withstand that yeah and yeah and i think that that that really made us stronger you know

And it was fun because we both kind of wanted to do our own thing and go fuck other people. And like, but we always were afraid that we'd lose each other. So then once we had that agreement, like, okay, you do your thing. I'll do my thing. But you're not mad. And we're like, no, but are you mad? Like, no. Like, okay, cool.

So then it became, it's like was really perfect to go travel and just do whatever, you know, and not worry. So, yeah. But yeah, there was a horrible narrative about me. Right. It was sad. Yeah. But, okay. So let me ask you this.

When you guys were having that break. if he sees you on your Instagram story with a guy that he knows well someone he's actually friends with Yeah Is that way different than him just seeing you With some random guy that you're shooting with? Probably but I don't really like have a big

Like amount of guys that I hang out with I do fuck male porn stars for like content And stuff When I say hang out I mean fuck for content Oh yeah no he doesn't I mean unless he doesn't say anything He's also very quiet and nice So maybe he bottles some things up

What about you though? You see him with a hot new chick every day Yeah Does he ever get to you? you like is it ever? Especially not now. Right. Like 10 years.

I'm like, oh, like fuck. What if he was fucking some super ugly chick? I get more mad about that. That would piss you off? I'm like Johnny, like he could do better than that. Like for fuck save.

Okay, but what if he's fucking the hottest girl you've ever seen in your life and in the back of your head? You're like, I can never measure up to her. She's so beautiful. Like is that going to, does that emotion potentially arise? Yeah.

At the beginning I used to have stuff like that because I would be like at home and feel like He just came from this set with this perfect person. And then as I got into port and started shooting more, I realized that none of these girls are perfect. Like even the most perfect-looking girl in line, you meet him, and they all have this, we all have our fucking things, you know. They're just fucking girls. She might be a great person.

She might be the highest girl on earth. But if you don't get along, you don't get along. You know? Like, and that's a huge factor. Like, me and my girl have shot with girls where physically, I thought they were smoking hot, like unbelievably hot. But then when we're talking about them later, My girl has zero percent jealousy because she knows that personality-wise,

I probably never want to talk to that girl again, or at least like, you know, we're cool, but I'm not going to fucking call her or some shit. Yeah, no, fuck that. Yeah, and Johnny's really like that too. Like Johnny always says he'd rather being a five that's fun than a hundred that's like, oh, don't, I'm too, everything has to be perfect and they're not into the sex. There's a lot of things that can make sex good or bad that I think are really underrated. Like the actual like the feel of the vagina is huge.

Is it? Some girls don't just don't know how to move. Like some girls, not even that they don't know how to move, but they don't have the right chemistry. It's like you ever dance with somebody that you have really bad like chemistry with? Yeah. I've had sex like that plenty of times where it's like you just can't figure out a flow. You're just trying to like make it work.

Like I've had ones where like, all right, let's just say, isolate porn down to just doggy style. It's kind of like if you're filming doggy style either the guy needs to be pretty much still and the girl's backing it up onto it or the girl is relatively still and the guy is fucking her and I've had girls

in point where it's like they just so clearly did not get that at all and I'm moving and they're moving and it's like we're bumping into each other in the hall and it's just like you can't get that rhythm? No yeah and I'm like this is the kind of thing that I'm standing here banging her for 10 minutes thinking

about and like I just I don't think most people have really like thought about sex to such an extent but you know when you sleep with somebody that sometimes it just isn't it's not right it's just not for you like and then sometimes you sleep with somebody and it's like wow I could I could do that for 10 years yeah forever although you probably don't know at that time but you could do it for 10 years yeah maybe not but I don't know I you we never actually had sex but when I have sex I don't actually perform I just I have like this nerve problem thing that makes me just lose my mind you know So sometimes I am hard, like what you're saying, you're trying to like, if you were fucking me and you had a good rhythm, and I get really into it, I'm still like, ugh, like, I die on dick, you know? But then it's fun because then I still have rhythm and we can like get at it together, you know?

Then that's when you have real chemistry to me. Yeah. You're both moving around and you're just like, so into it. Yeah, no, because you're right. What you're describing, that works too is like, and that's the other thing, too, is like a lot of times you'll be going in and out and then she's kind of moving side to side. Because there's things that happen in porn that don't really happen in the outside world. Like, fucking her girl and then she's going out of her way to shake her ass. That's like rap music video shit.

Like it's just, it's not something someone would really do. But it's clearly so focused. You know what it's like? It's like when you look at Instagram and you see the girls who make videos just shaking their boots the whole time. And that that would not exist if it wasn't for the fact that that does good on Instagram. Yeah, like absolutely. And it's just kind of amazing. Look at what we've allowed these social media companies to do to us.

I know. Speaking of boobs, yours have got a lot bigger. Yeah, do you like them? Yes, I do. When do you do that? I got my first boob job right before I went world traveling, and then I just got them bigger again because I had to wait. Because I'm really small this way, so I couldn't take the biggest implant I wanted.

So these are 550s now. And you love it? Oh, sorry, I'm on YouTube. That's fine. They're my favorite things ever. Really? I'll be having a bad day and I'll look in the mirror. I'm like, god damn.

I masturbate to them. I could see that. Yeah, like, it's really bad. You ever think about how weird it is that like we as human beings are that easily fooled by something that's been embedded into your body by a surgeon? Yeah. Sometimes I think about weird shit like that and I go in town to like a weird rabbit hole. Yeah. Like what are even noses and like why are there in some nice looking noses?

Like, what the fuck does that mean? 100%. Like, why is that? I don't get it. Somebody told me getting a nose job in the comments the other day and I was like, I've never even. even considered the fact that I could do that. Like I'm not going to do that. But wow, you just gave me something to think about it.

Because I've never even looked at another dude's nose and thought like, oh, he's got a nice nose. Yeah, it's like weird. Yeah. But yeah. But yeah, I love that. Yeah, they're my favorite. But then that shows me out too is that there's some girls I'll look at who have like, you know, fake tits that are like this big. And it just looks stupid to me.

And I could never imagine thinking of it as like a hot thing. Yeah. And then meanwhile, I look at yours and I'm like, oh, those are hot. Even though it's exactly the same thing. It's just a reasonable size. Yeah, they're reasonable. And they're also squishy. And I had big tits to begin with.

That was a big C at first. Oh, okay. I don't know what size I am anymore. Really? Because I was a double D, but then I don't know where I go. But are your fans pissed at all? No. I thought that they, like, get married to your original look

and they don't want you to change it up. I feel like guys are always like, no, don't do it. And then you do it and they're like, oh, sit. They don't know what it's going to look like. And also in their defense, I think that maybe 10% of boob jobs look good. Like I think that sometimes they're just weird. It wasn't the right shape. It was a bad doctor.

So I think that a lot of times fans don't want you to fuck things up if you already have nice tits because why are you like, don't touch them, you know? Yeah. But I waited until I waited until I was 30. But it's, I'm sure the amount of attention you get just walking around is way different, right? Yeah, but I don't, Johnny always tells me this. I really don't notice. You don't notice?

I don't notice. Well, you're just, your heads in the clouds. You're not. Yeah, I think that everyone just being nice to me, I think. I don't know. So I was like, hi to everybody. So if you look at my tits, that you know right I don't know interesting would you ever go the BBL route like people talk about

or too small my ass is like my money maker you know so I'm afraid you'd be scared to toy with it yeah and I can control the size of my ass like I fluctuate a lot if I just gain weight and work out I have a big old donk so right or I can be thin and whatever so yeah interesting um so are you still stoked on shooting for mainstream companies or you transition to doing a lot of only fans um I really haven't shot in the last couple years. I'm here. I'm going to shoot for, I shoot like off and on for browsers. Not really. Not really. I don't really like it that much anymore, I guess. Doing the mainstream stuff. But I've always really loved porn. Like, I'm a porn fan as far as, like, I really enjoy it. I have fun on set. I really like the people. So I have nothing negative to

say about porn after nine years in it. Right. What is it that makes you not like it so much then? I guess I'm just like live in Hawaii now, you know, and you just get comfortable and like I have all the animals over there and I just, it's just long days. Only fans are so fun because you just show up, you bang your friends, you go home. It's like it's a, it's a, it's a chiller experience. Yeah. And you get paid so much fucking more. Like I can't imagine how much money I've made these companies over the years, you know? But I'm not not stoked about it. I'm like, whatever. Because it's a good promotion, right? Yeah, it's good promotion. That's what I, yeah, like, you know, Brazzar's contract girl, at least I'm like out there. And then my only fans.

I had to tell a girl that the other day because she told me how much she was getting offered by a mainstream coming to shoot from and i was just like listen i know it ain't that much but i i listed like a few different girls i'm like emily willis yeah she's huge yeah i mean she didn't get huge by accident and i'm not denying that she probably would be pretty fucking big on her own if she had never fuck with a porn company yeah oh no but like the porn companies blew her the fuck up hell of fast by using their huge social platform to promote her yeah that's the whole point you know like that fucking thousand bucks they're paying you i know it doesn't seem like much compared to your only fans money yeah but if they're even just going to post you

you on Instagram and Twitter a couple of times. Never mind the people who pay to see their content. I mean, it's like the biggest promotional opportunity you could get. Yeah, you would pay for that marketing. Yeah. And you're going to get paid to get fucked. One time. What are we talking about? Now there's all, but there is also

the question of overexposing yourself. There are some girls on only fans who do really, really good, and you head on over to Pornhub and you search their name and you can't find shit. Which to me, as a porn consumer, I feel like I'm pretty logical.

Like, I don't bootleg stuff. I just never got into that. I know some people do that, but if a girl has like really great quality professional shit for free on the tube sites, that makes me a little less likely to want to cop the only fans, right? Yeah, well, yeah, of course

that makes sense. But so that, that's an interesting concept. Is like, is a girl better off flooding porn hub with her content so that she just gets more viewers, or is she smarter to keep her content that's on there, it's kind of limited. Yeah, but I make a lot of money on porn hub. Yeah, that's true too, once you've built up a catalog, yeah. Until that whole drama, I don't know what's happening with that.

Oh, what, you pulled out? No, with the Pornhub drama. What, in terms of them having all kinds of, but are you referring to like them having all this stuff with minors on the site and everything? Yeah, yeah, that whole, that small thing. No, yeah, that's a big thing. But when we signed up for it with Plug Talk, I'm pretty sure it was really easy to sign up

before and I'm pretty sure it's really fucking hard now. Yeah. Because it's... What to be the model program? Yeah. Because I don't think so. You guys would be fine. No, we got it, but it just took us a while because I feel like they make you upload a

shitload of documents. Which, to be fair, listen, if you run a fucking porn site where people are allowed to upload whatever, I mean, no. That's how it's been, right? Yeah. And that just seems insane to me. Of course there's going to be fucking children on there. Of course people are going to do this.

Yeah. I know. Like, how could you not have... thought about that and I know that like because accepting any kind of liability for the content is on there that is kind of sets up the snowball of you eventually being held liable in court but to me it's like if I own a fucking porn site the number one thing that we got to do is make sure that we have a age verification process and that there's nobody getting raped or that there's not revenge porn you know but like it's like porn like YouTube is the same way though like

remember the adpocalypse on on YouTube when Nike was like writing, like, running ads on, like, some awful, like, hate crime or something, and then everyone pulled out. It's the same thing. Like, I don't understand. And I'm not saying I agree with Porta of it. I just have a conversation. Like, how could they ever vet?

Like, how could they ever go through? Like, how many videos are really uploaded to Pornhub or to YouTube in a day? But that's the thing with OnlyFans is, like, you have to tag every single person that's in every single video. Yeah. Which, to me, that kind of, that solves the problem, right? Yeah. If you can. Yeah.

Yeah, it's have an account and all the things and IDs. Yeah. But, I mean, even the ad apocalypse was fucking bullshit. shit because they had one song that had like the N-word in the title that had like an Adidas ad on it or Nike ad or some shit and like these journalists were able to present this as if this was a huge problem and I know for me personally it like took my income down by like 90% at that time oh yeah oh my god it tanked because you were on youtube at the time as well yeah and we're on YouTube at the same time but we never were monetized but I'm just a huge I love YouTube

and like that whole thing like everyone PewDie Pied Pied got in trouble for that whole fucking that whole thing that that hurt the endpocalypse too i feel like but is it back or you make is it back that's good yeah it's solid again for sure there was a few years there was really rough but i mean i was just count myself as being super lucky because like i've interviewed YouTubers who basically make like approximately the same content that we do who have terrible luck with monetization so i fucking thank god yeah good for you i don't believe me god but that's good thank whoever i say in my jesus shirt Although to be fair, and the devil is, I think, on the shirt as well.

That was pretty cool. All right. So in terms of like where you're at in your life, I mean, you're somebody who you've embraced the social media side of things and everything. Like where do you see your career going and where are you excited about in terms of the whole adult world or outside of it? I want to start, well, besides adult stuff, I want to start a cooking show. And then me and Johnny are working on a really, really, really exciting NFT project.

Really? Like a suit. I don't know if that's if you're into that or anything. But yeah, it's kind of going to be like a board ape style PFP project. But with Johnny and I have a, I'm the project manager and I have a DC Marvel, like a famous artist doing all the art. And it's really sick. So it's just going to be him. It's a Johnny.

Yeah, it's like a John. We're going to call them Johnny's. So it's like, you know, Borda. Yeah. So it's going to be like that. But with Johnny as the character instead. And you know, because you know how he's this like Johnny's fucking huge on the internet. Johnny still ranks high.

on Google trends on Google Analytics for he ranks higher than Bordave Yacht Club like kills them so and the whole industry the whole NFT community is really excited about the project so it should fucking kill it so it's gonna be like one of the NFTs is like his face is tie-dye and it's melting off yeah yeah but we're going like more of a route because you know his big meme is that he's has every occupation lawyer yeah so a lot of the outfits and a lot of the traits they call them are different like professions and then there's different funny ones and then there's tips to like uh you know nftc community stuff but it's really well done it's we're really excited about it we actually had it ready but then the fucking market took a crash right so but it's coming back up and it will be we're we're gonna do it's you're not scared of like when you see somebody like lana roads who got crazy backlash yeah her fucking rugpole yeah yeah but ah she doesn't want to shit on other girls in the no she was that was a rug pool that was yeah and it made the whole industry it made the whole community look really, really bad. The worst

part about it is that she didn't seem like she was smart enough to understand what she had done. Yeah, for God's sakes. And I don't mean that to be mean or anything, but it's like when she was describing it, it was like, yeah. That's what they're mad about. That's what they're mad about. You pulled all the money out and you kept it because you wanted it and you screwed over your fans. That's the whole thing.

Yeah, and the explanation was, oh, people were mean to me. So I'm not doing it anymore, but I took, I think she made $1.2 million on them just on the mint itself. Yeah. And people were really sad. And it's really sad. Like in the Discord, you could go and see everyone was like, just come back.

Like, just give us anything. We just want to support you, you know? Like you couldn't, she didn't even have to offer any utility. But there was all this utility about how you could like meet up with her and all this stuff. Like, why give that utility, you know? Why do all these things? All these things that you know that nobody's ever going to do. That's one thing that pisses me off.

It's like, we're going to let you in exclusive clubs and parties. Yeah. Okay. All the, in the metaverse, like, okay, five, I mean, yeah, and I try to be like open-minded to these things. Yeah. Okay, but that's an interesting thing to talk about. So she, you know, famously came into the industry and made a huge splash.

Everybody loved her. She's like one of the hottest girls to get into porn in years. Ever. I think ever. Yeah. And then she kind of like exits the game and she's got a lot of, you know, bad memories about a bunch of stuff that she felt like was not 100% on the up and up. Like the biggest example being the whole thing where she had it proposed to her on set. do you want to drink this piss?

Like the guy pissed in a fucking bowl and like she just agreed to it and then later on was basically like I didn't know I could say no that kind of thing which I could definitely empathize with the position that she was in where she might not have been confident enough to say no but then at the same time

I've never been on a porn set like that on the porn sets I go on it feels like nobody wants anyone to do anything that they're not comfortable with. Yeah but that set is kind of like that and well I kind of have a controversial opinion about consent. I don't actually think it's controversial, but I feel like if, because I'm a very

rough performer, and so I'm very scared that if people aren't going to tell me before, during, or after that I'm doing something that's offending you, like, I really don't know how to know that. Like, I'm trying my best, but like, I think that we need to, and everyone, and I understand she was scared at first, and I don't, I'm on her side for that, but I think that we need to be more forward. Like, if you don't want to drink someone's piss, like, just, just, just, you should say that like next time you know like i'm not trying to i'm not trying to victim blame her or anything but definitely but consent is a big deal if if you're shooting porn with somebody should everything already be laid out on the table like you know because we always do the thing before we shoot plug talk

where we say do you have anything on your no list like what do you not like and like the girls always say stuff that's basically unnecessary to say like don't stab me or don't stick your finger in my ass like obviously we would if this was an anal scene we would have talked about that beforehand or if uh or they'll they'll say, you know, the obvious stuff, like, you know, don't, don't pull my fucking wig out or whatever, like, you know, little stuff like that. But I think that that is probably the precedent that porn should have in general is that if there's, I think so for the most part, yeah. But if there's anything outside of like regular sex that is going to be happening, it should probably be discussed beforehand. Yeah. And even if, I think even if you change your mind halfway through and you want to take one of those things off the table, like cut and say it.

Or even if after, if you felt pressured, like, let me know. I just don't know. Like, I need to know when. Yeah. But because that is kind of the thing. Like, I mean, porn is the hottest when it feels real. And it feels like you're actually just doing something that you want to be doing. The best thing that I ever filmed, I think, was New Year's Eve, like four years ago.

And I came back from the club with me and my girl and Riley Reed and Gina Valentina. Oh, wow. That's a roster. And we fucking all just bang the shit out of each other on the floor in the, in the kitchen. And the other day I went and looked it up online. I actually searched my own name

like New Year's three summer some shit on Google, found it. I should not be telling people how to do that. Go to my girls' only fans if you want to see it. But I'm like, because it really was real. Did you joke off? Yes. We really like, to my own dick.

We really went to the club and got fucked up and then went back to the house and filmed a great scene. That was the real shit. But also it's like that's, you know, if that wasn't like, like already planned out it would be totally inappropriate yeah because you just you know and even in retrospect i would totally think twice before posting that yeah you know because of the alcohol yeah just you don't want people that i had a girl drinking a truly on an episode of plug talk and we're

all talking like should we blur it out yeah even though it's like it's like it's such a microscopic amount of alcohol but still you never know nowadays man you know who knows how many other truly she has yeah um okay so Kiss of sins. Yeah. How many sins would you say you commit an average week? Probably all of them. Adultery?

Yeah. I don't even know most of the sins. I don't either. You ever kill someone? I know that overeating is one and I definitely do that. Do you ever what? Really? You ever kill someone?

No, but I wouldn't mind. Really? Yeah, but only if they were like a bad guy. Like if someone was trying to rape you, like I kind of do want the experience once in my life to like fucking murder them. Yeah. Not dark? Getting a body that you feel 100% justified in.

Like he's going to kill you. That's the American dream. Yeah. I would love that. Or what about a guy bracing your house? It's not even that forward. He's just standing in your living room. Yeah.

Okay, all right. But there's the question. I'm not going to ask you a gun because that's secret. But you wake up in the middle of the night. There's a guy standing in your fucking living room. Like a stranger. You have a gun in your hand. He doesn't have a gun.

Do you shoot him in the head because you know that you can, can get away with it legally, or do you, what, like, pointed at him and, like, walk him out and call the cops? Because I think I'm just going for the body. I probably regret saying that if this ever happens, but... Yeah. I'm pretty sure I'm just going to be like, no, you're done. You came in my house, it's over.

We're not talking anymore. No, if they're in the fucking house, I can't, I think as a woman, it's, I can't walk someone out. He's going to do a fast one and overpower me, and then I just fucked. Yeah, yeah, I'm not doing all that. Maybe I'll shoot him in the, the let. I'm probably just blasting. Because I have a shotgun, so I would just spray it once.

I think that the shotgun is really cool because it's just like the warning sound, you know, when they're outside the door. But yeah, I'll blast someone if they're in my fucking house. Shoot the dick off. They'll make a movie about you. Yeah. Porn star. Exactly. Oh, I like that.

Because it's so simple, like there should have been a lot of movies called that. I mean, there might be one from like back of my day. I like that. Let's shoot it. It's a good idea. Shoot this guy. We're going to get arrested for this one. No, but I think you should shoot the dick of like your lover off.

Whoa. Not that I actually want you to shoot Johnny's dick off, but from a movie. So you want to shoot you. No, no, but for a movie. Yeah, why isn't that a movie? Well, I'm just saying like if you shoot some random guy's dick off, who the fuck cares, right? But if you shoot your lover's dick off. Because he cheated on you.

Something like that. What was that lady's name? Lorraine Bobbitt. I was just talking about this with the game. Oh, really? Yeah. Didn't she throw it out the window, too? Into like a cornfields.

Yeah. And they found it. And they found it and they sewed it back on. What do you think it looks like? There was a whole documentary about this that I didn't watch. What do I think his dick looked like? Like, no, what do you think it looks like now? Like that they...

Because imagine reattaching it. But he did porn after that. Oh, so we can see what his dick looks like. They offered him a bag and he did it. I feel like I've talked about this on here enough that I need to actually watch it. We should watch it. You should shoot with him. We should.

Hey, Lena, I got this guy I want you to shoot with. Give me out. His dick might have a bunch of scars on it, but... I feel like it's like yellow or like discolol. This took a turn. You ever break a guy's dick? No, but I've gotten close. Really?

I'm always scared. I rock on it. It's when it's not hard that it's dangerous. Like when you push it rope and you're like, yeah, just put it in, just trust me. I'm like, no. The other day I was like filming something where the girl's like riding me, but facing away from me.

And it was like she just could not figure out what angle she was going to have to go to in order for this to work. And I'm just thinking like, You like I feel like you're gonna break my dick. And that's why like a lot of times it looks better to just let the girl ride your dig. But then like I'll get that feeling and I'm like, no, I have to like hold onto her ass to make sure that she doesn't do any weird movements, you know? But as a porn star, you don't really want to be like covering her ass with your hands. No, but you can make it look like you're just so into it.

Because there's a guys in her industry that have broken their dicks. Yeah, I've heard all about it. Yeah, it's fucking scary. I had a homie back in the day and he sent me a picture of his whole ball sack was like purple. He said that to you? Yeah. And honestly, I didn't really know him that well, so I was a little surprised at the time. But.

These are fucking purple-out balls, yeah, he broke his dick, and then his whole balls, like somehow all the blood like just rushed to his balls. That would be the worst couple of months off that I ever had. Break it. Don't do it. God, I feel like I'm jinxing myself. If you guys see me take like a three-month hiatus, you'll know. Something went wrong.

Yeah. Never talked to. It's never happened to Johnny? No. Thank God. Sometimes we'll get caught, you know, in a really rough, but not in general. Right. Okay.

We've got to protect the crown jewels. Yeah, that's right. For sure. How long are you in town? Two weeks. Oh, we're totally going to bang. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. I would like that. Oh, okay. We have plenty of time. We can just schedule it for once I get back from this New York trip tomorrow. Okay. That would be really fun. So that's something for the people out there to keep an eye on for.

Only play. Plug.com. Yeah. Not Google. What's your only fans? I know that you want people. It's only fans.com slash kiss of sins. K-I-S-I-N-S or S-I-N-N-S.

K-I-S-A-S-I-N-S. Okay. I like how you were momentarily. I'm sure how to spell your own last name. Yeah. For sure. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much for having me.

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