No Jumper - Kraig Smith on Do Boy Getting Bullied, Corey Holcomb Drama, Avoiding the Streets & More

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

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You're among fans. Day three sobriety, man. You're proud of me. You're drinking a ghost, that ain't sobriety. You can't be drinking ghosts out here, dude. Sugar is a drug. There's no sugar in there. It is, yes.

Zero cow, huh? It tastes like a popsicle. I don't know what got into me, but I've been back on the weight loss grind. Like, all of a sudden, for like the last three days, I've been eating clean and working out a lot. That's Hellerwood. I've been doing the same thing. And I've been watching, like, hell of videos on YouTube about, like, where I should eat and stuff. That's crazy.

We're just sitting here lying to ourselves. No, I know. I feel like I'm telling the truth, too. And the other day, I laid in bed talking to chat about what is blood sugar? What is glucose? Like, really, like, asking, like, every question just figuring it all out. Yeah, yeah. You want a weight loss journey?

I need to lose about 30. I'm 265. You know, when I'm 2.30, I have a 6-back. I'm on a journey. You have a 6-pack? At 2.30, I'm shredded up. You must be buff as hell because at 2.30, I am fat. Really?

No. I'm 241 right now, and this is like the fat. Oh, no, I got bullshit going on right now. You look like you have the lipo, no? No. No. Hell of that. I got you?

Hell no. Lipo is wild, man. I mean, we eat clean, but the air is dirty. There's pollution everywhere. There's calories in the air? I mean, shit. Damn. Hey, we're for losing.

Wow. That's crazy. No, I don't know what it is. Like, I guess like, honestly, the thing that happens with me is that the fatter I get, the more depressed I am about the way I look. And then as I get more and more depressed, eventually I get closer and closer to the point where I'm like, okay, I got to get serious and lose weight. But like, if everything else in my life is going good, it's easy for me to avoid and ignore the fact that I hate how I look. So I don't know what it is because it's like I hate to like, I hate to acknowledge that any of the hosts leaving could possibly have any. control over me, but maybe it like checked my ego a little bit to be like, all right, well,

if you're going to have your host, you know, carrying guns, attempting to shoot each other, leaving the podcast, et cetera, then maybe at least you could not be fat while they're doing it because you're a bigger target when you're fat. You are. I'm a big target out of you. Even a blind man could hit me where I'm at right now. When shit changes, the way shit tastes stays the same. So we're just looking for familiarity.

Well, but you know what the thing is? My girl told me that when you are on OZempic, the foods you love the most in the world will tastes like sandpaper. Can you confirm that? Yes, it does. And it's like you don't even, you'll be forgetting to eat. You'll go like a whole day and a half

and forget to eat. You know what, though? You know what's crazy? You know why Jelly Roll didn't do the OZIP? Why? Because he heard it can mess up your voice and your vocal cords. And I don't know if you've been paying attention,

but I watched the NBA final and stuff, Charles Barkley's voice has been acting like, it's blowing the fuck out. So yeah, you have to watch out for your voice. Has he been getting smaller as well? Yeah, he got mad smaller, But then for like four games, he was just like, he would sound like Doc Rivers.

Really? His old voice was. It sounded like the DOC. For real. That's crazy. I'm scared of that shit, though. I've been flirting with doing a carnivore diet. You know what I ate for breakfast today?

What? Four sauces, egg McMuffins, but no muffin. Oh, yeah. So just egg and meat? Egg meat cheese? Yeah. Muffinless McMuffin. I do raw vegan.

That's how you. You can lose 30 pounds and 30 days. eating raw vegan. I'm so anti-vegan. If you had to pick one to lose weight, which would you rather do the carnivore or go vegan? I would do raw. You know, raw vegan and vegan is two different things. Raw is worse.

Raw harder and like more unhealthy, but I've heard that the carnivore diet is not really that good for you in the long run either. I think we're just messed up either way we go. I think eat normal. Try to eat clean. I have the Ozempic, not Ozemic, but like it's some other GOP one that my doctor prescribed me like

four or five months ago and I just have never really like taking it upon myself to actually do it. And part of the reason why is because my girl said that she lost a ton of muscle when she got on it. And she's like, I don't want you to lose a lot of muscle. I don't want you to be scrawny. And a doctor selling you, O-ZMP, seems predatory because you're not even that overweight.

Well, I kind of asked them. I must be way. 240. I actually weighed myself today. And that's another thing I do is that when I am fat, I won't weigh myself for like long periods of time. So I can just ignore it. Act like it's not happening, you know?

What were you at when we started? I don't know, honestly. You weren't too much over 240, I don't believe. I was surprised when I got on the scale today and started 240 because I feel like when I fought Jason, I was like $2.30. So like 10 pounds is not that. And I weighed myself today after eating and all those other shit, so it's like probably not accurate anyway.

The worst part about having some weight on you is when you look at yourself in the mirror from the back and you see like this little area right here. Yeah, that would get you in the gym. You know what you bitch is looking at when you walk away from her. And the more way you lose, the more that you get a little hourglass figure. Your love handles are sucked in.

And then you get fat and it becomes real love handle. It's like, you look at it and you're like, oh, that's the joke that they make a love. Yeah, I see a lot. And then when you're fucking a girl, your ass is clapping too. That'll make you really want to lose weight. I hear another ass in here, right? Sounds like a round of applause at this bottle.

asses in this room. You'll imagine if you could make your ass clap. Like, yo, because I see mad BBL chicks do it. Yeah. Make a clap. Oh, yeah, they just bounce up and down and their house goes, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Is that gay if you do that as a guy?

If you purposely clap your asses, man, that's flirting. But why, that's a party trick. Go do that shit on Santa Monica Boulevard, bro. See what the response you get is. That's a mating call. Round of applause. Oh, yeah. That's weird that some things are gay that aren't actually gay,

but they're so female-coded that you just consider them gay. Adam is convinced that getting pegged isn't gay. Getting pegged is homosexual. It's not. If a beautiful, if Cindy Crawford pegs you, that's not gay. Is there balls on the dildo? See what I'm saying? See what I'm saying, Adam?

That's a fair statement. There's no such thing as halfway gay. I like that. That's not a bad point. Okay, wearing makeup. Waring makeup is gay. It depends. If you're on a photo shoe.

Yeah, yeah, you're right. I've worn makeup before. Anybody who's done any kind of TV, they'll put a little makeup on you. And then you have the weird thing where you like catch yourself looking in the mirror like a couple hours later and you forget you got the makeup on.

You're looking at yourself like, damn, I look good. And then you're like, oh, right. They dolled me up. If a man puts the makeup on you. Yeah. Yeah. You can't have any contact.

So if a dude's paying your face, there's no good. But the chick, it's cool. A chick is all good. There's boundaries. What if a dude pegs you, but you hate it? But you hate it. This is crazy. No, because, all right, you want to know what?

I interviewed Daphne Joy yesterday. You know what that is? No. Unbelievably hot female. She's Filipino, I believe. And she has a baby. has a baby with 50 cent she was part of

oh the okay she dated Diddy for a long time recently a sex tape came out of a dude with like a 10 inch dick and didy with his little three inch dick

and they're banging her together and shit but like she's so hot right and I'm I watched like because this is like her it was only her second interview her first interview was a couple days before with academics

and while I'm doing the interview because like the whole academics one they're flirting so hard and then I'm interviewing her and she's not really flirting with me. Right, right. And that was kind of an awkward moment for me where I realized that academics had more Riz than me.

Oh, yeah. Apparently, I didn't know. She just likes weird black dudes. All of those black dudes you talked about are weirdos. She's talking about like, oh, yeah, you've been losing weight. You're slimming down. You look good. And she didn't say anything like that to me.

Oh, you ain't be slipping down. You don't look good. You don't want to fucking fucker. You don't want to be funny. I do want to be right. I do. I really do. I don't want to be lying too. She probably got some biggie in her pussy and puppy fucker.

Okay, I was thinking about this the other day is that my, like, you, you telling me like, oh, so-and-so fuck this girl before you, so you shouldn't want to fuck her is like saying like, well, Hitler went to Austria. Right, right, right, right, I get it. I don't give a fuck, I'm still gonna go to Oz, I don't care if he's bed in there. It was a long time. I go, who cares? They've cleaned the streets hundreds of times.

The puffy, though. I'm not, yeah. I'm too horny to be. Yeah. shit like that, you know. No, she's bad, though. I mean, you know. And Puffy wasn't working with much either, so she was that.

That was just like getting finger-bain and stuff. Like, he was super small. Wasn't, I ain't never seen Puffy's dick for those watching. I don't know what. I see it. It's really. And I'm a middle of a pecker. That's a pecker.

I respect that he called in reinforcements. Yeah. Why be a billionaire if you can't hire a guy with a much larger cock to come fuck your green? Why not just get a bigger cock? You can buy more dick meat. They have places. They have butcher.

They have dick butchers. I feel like the biggest improvement you're going to get from like a three-incher is to maybe like five. That's enough. That's almost double. It's a lot better, but it's still. Still not really, nothing to write home about. But women don't really need dick. They, they bitches.

Bitschers don't have dicks. They buy them. So just buy one. But the thing with Ditty is like his fantasy, his turn on was that he wanted to see his girl get plowed by a huge cock. He just wasn't lucky enough to be born with one. Right, right. That's got to suck to be a billionaire with a little dick. Yeah.

They need a dick, I don't know, like an extension that you can put on them, you know, something. For a gun. Yeah, yeah. Extendo clip on it. Yeah, a 30-shot dick. Like, you mean, rather than hire a prostitute for Puffy, why not just get more dick? Well, you probably don't know, and I don't think most people know, is that a lot of guys are shooting up like, like, like, silicone or something into your cock. So, like, some of these dudes, they'll get a boner and their dick won't really look that.

different right because they've got all this goop that they shot into it to make it like bigger even when they're hard so that way you don't have to be like a hundred percent hard to be able to bang the chick on camera oh really this is gonna get me what's going on with this oh you got stuck like that yeah yeah yeah okay yeah yeah no man I uh all these dick manipulation things damn why can we just let nobody talks about all this extra shit Puffy had to do to Cassie maybe Cassie had trash pussy yeah Maybe her pussy makes dildos get soft.

Nobody talks about that. It's always the guy's fault. Yeah, yeah. No, because, okay, there's a Taylor Swift song that I, my wife loves it so much that for her birthday, I shot a music video to this song. And it's basically a diss song about one of her ex-boyfriends, and it's called the smallest man who ever lived. And you could easily listen to the song and not realize it.

But what she's basically saying is that this guy had a micropinus, right? Right, right. And I was like horribly offended when she first explained to me that that's the meaning of the song. Because I'm like, how would it come off if Drake put out a song where the chorus was basically like, hey, your pussy's way too big. I can't get any pleasure out of your huge, loose pussy. Mansion pussy. It was like outside. But I feel like that's kind of like one of the final frontiers of discrimination is that you could still make fun of a guy with a tiny cock.

Well, one day I always say that there's going to be a war. and mark my words, between gay people and bisexual people. One day gay people are going to get tired of bisexual people eating up all the pussy and sucking up all the dick. And they're going to make them pick a side. It's going to happen. I can't see that

happening. That's a good point. You can't be a blood and a crib. I mean, you got to choose. You got to piss eyes. You know. Can't be straddling the fence. I think it just sucks with the dick thing too because you can't even control your dick size. Like, act like that's something that you can control. It's genetics.

Look, there's more dick in you. You've got to figure out how to get it out. Girls have more control over the size of their own vagina than guys have over their size of their penis. Well, from the keogal activities? I'm saying you have a bunch of kids. You get f***ed by steel. All of a sudden, your pussy's a little bigger. And like, for a guy, there's just almost nothing you could do short of like getting a dick pump,

which I've heard that only adds like a half inch and you need to use it all the time. You know what I dealt with? I dealt with. I dealt with. I smashed the chick who lost a bunch of weight, but her pussy was still really big. Right. It's like the person didn't come to happen. But why do we assume that a fat woman is going to have a looser pussy,

even though I'm 100% on board with that, and I believe that to be the case. Probably just because they're bigger and it just, you would just assume. But like really, you could take a woman with a tight pussy, stick her in a closet and feed her 8,000 calories a day. Right. Like she's going to come out of there way fatter, probably with some kind of infection. But why would her vagina be bigger? It doesn't really make sense.

It might be better, though. damage women have really extraordinary pussy. So if you torture, if she lives in the closet, you humiliate her, when you go to she's going to enjoy it. Because inside of every woman is a need to be destroyed. That's a good point. And then built back up. But the fact that she will be psychotic from being trapped in the closet, which by the way,

we do not have any plans to actually do. No, no, no. Purely for the form of comedy. But I don't say why I would make her vagina bigger by definite. I just think you would just assume if she big, everything is big. That's just at least why I would think would be the assumption. Or you would think that a woman who had sexual like a thousand dudes would have a bigger vagina, but really like just banging like the same guy over and over and over with a really big cock.

I mean, what's... If anything, it makes the pussy more resilient. Yeah. And that's really what I'm in it for. Durability. Resilient pussy, yeah. That's always. It's something built to last.

For a tough pussy. So Craig, you had some commentary that you were basically upset about some of the No Jumper hosts picking on Doblin, most notably when he got his boob jiggled. I wasn't filling the sexual assault part. Look, and I was a step too far. And look, man, I'm a comedian, so I don't take anything personal. But the art of comedy is very important to me. So when I see people doing something that they think is strategic about the art form and it's not,

it's actually really absent-minded. It just, that made me upset. But I have no personal issue with nobody. I don't want to go to the fade. The park, like, catch no phase or nothing, no shit like that. Pull out the whooped-to-wooft. Yeah, yeah. But I love comedy, bro, and I love hip-pop too.

You know what I'm saying? And these are two things that I've been involved with since I was a child. So I understand the differences, the nuanced differences between just people cracking jokes in a group of friends and then the art of comedy. And to me, that wasn't, that wasn't represented in that conversation. First of all, the one thing. The one thing we don't do in comedy is group think, common thought. What everybody thinks is funny, it's not funny.

Okay. Just because a room full of niggas are saying, you're corny, you're funny. That don't mean that the shit ain't funny. You know what I'm saying? That's some other playground bully shit. But as a comic, you're kind of, you're at the will of the people. Like, you are doing stand-up, and the whole room thinks that you're unfunny or a joke that you just did sucked.

I mean, that kind of becomes the reality, right? even if you adamantly disagree, even if the 10 assassins in back all think that you're hilarious. Right. If the crowd thinks you suck, the crowd thinks you suck. And for all intents and purposes, you suck in that moment.

Indeed. And that's all good. So that's the truth of the moment. So I'm not denying that. But what I'm saying is like, so in a room full of comedians, if that was a room full of comedians, that would have been a whole different vibe.

Right? Because look, first of all, in comedy, you have eight different characters of comedy. So you can look that up and read it to him. Okay. So his character and comedy in that situation is called the lovable loser. Him? Yes.

Okay. So when you watch sitcoms, he would be Joey on Friends. This is the guy that everybody thinks is stupid, a little corny, a little out of pocket, a little out of sorts, and they root for him to win because they know he's a fish out of water. Wow. Okay. Do you get what I'm saying? This is an actual character archetype in the art of comedy.

But if it requires that much context, is it actually funny? The context is there. Here's the problem. The context is there. You're just used to receiving comedy with it already dictated to you. So when you're in the art of comedy and someone is that character archetype, it's a skill to be able to play on that and take it further. But when you stop on it and don't understand what you're receiving,

his gift is a comedian, you're not going to further it. You're just trying to stop him so he matches all the cool shit happening in the room. And there's no cool in comedy. Oh, this is cool. I'm the first one, the logical smart one. Right. Pinker, straight man or voice of reason.

They react to the chaotic situations around them with common sense. Thank you very much. This has been a great podcast. Like, comment and subscribe. This is so sick because I honestly, I've thought about this a lot. The fact that like there are so many, that there seem to be like archetypes on this podcast that emerge over time that kind of repeat themselves.

A lot of people have made note of the fact that like Doe Boy's current arc is kind of similar to Lush a couple years ago or whatever. But okay, let's keep going through this. the lovable loser. That's me. Childish, optimistic, gullible, and impulsive. Despite their constant failures and susceptibility to mistakes, they remain highly sympathetic.

You thought I was just a loser. Now I understand you. Get it? It was a whole plan behind this. Okay. I kind of, I feel seen. Yeah. So I wasn't stripping.

I just was like, oh, they don't understand what's happening. Right. So look, look, I'm a rapper first, right? I got 10 albums, right? I became a comic in 2008. So I got as much time in music as you do, and I got 20 years in comedy, so I'm one of the rare people

that understand the nuance differences. And in comedy, there is no cool. There is no wear Jordans, get nice tattoos, get the bad bitches. Comedy is not about that at all. Comedy is about vulnerability and having a heart to be yourself despite what the fuck is going on in the room.

You get what I'm saying? I agree with that. So that's what comedy is. He's spitting. No, he's definitely good. So that's the problem I had. But when you said that a line that's lost his roar, that was like, that's the only thing I wasn't when I'm like,

nah, you don't have the right to dictate to the crowd because you have more status in this situation. So people are going to run behind you because they think that Adam has more influence over you. So whatever you say, the rumor is going to roll with. But me, I don't give a fuck about what Adam has to say or nobody, not in a disrespectful way. Also, many of the people at home truly don't really care what either of us have to say. Those other niggas are trying to stay here and be on a whole.

That was the thing that I think made that shit hit so hard is that even though Kyle's jokes were not really like objectively funny, like by just saying you look like pinky, I want to wife you. These are not things that would really pass muster around a bunch of comics, but the fact that he was such a low status podcaster who came into the room on a mission. On timing. And then Doe Boy was like seemingly unprepared to like deal with this like relatively amateurish roast.

I don't know. That to me was pretty. But that's the point-level loser, though. But it was flustering in the moment because I just didn't understand. Like, I didn't know him. I didn't know what he was talking about. And he was mixing it with disrespect.

At least, you know what I'm saying? Call me a B-word, saying, I'm going to slap you all that. And so I'm going to say, am I going to have to fight this? And so I'm not thinking funny right now. With the whole slapping thing. Right. But I do want to throw out a theory. I feel like a lot of your initial, like, anger towards me

was dictated by the. prior interaction that we had when you called in to the roast. No, no, no, here's the thing, man, I'm murder on stage. So somebody's saying, I'm not funny.

I know they're not a comedian. So when you're roasting, you just used to roast. If it's funny, we laugh, but you don't tell them, like, when you want to roast with me today,

we could roast and have fun. You're funny, though, that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, but I didn't think that that qualified. No, but that's not,

yeah, look, every, look, every comedian from the worst to the best has bombed. Yeah. Every single, if you don't bomb every once in a while, you're not really good comedian because you have to test shit to see if it works you get what I'm saying so this art form is not about cool there's no cool maybe I wasn't funny I didn't read the audience right well it's beyond that I feel like you were kind of it's like when you said you were a rapper for several years so I know you've done some bunk shows right all day long and it's not your fault you might have a great set but the sound system is asked the promoter didn't do they thing whatever so why is it reflecting on you ultimately right I feel like at that moment

doughboy kind of set you up to kind of fail. Invertently, you know, like, yeah. But I don't view that as a bond. I understood that. It wasn't a bomb. Yeah. If I was Doe Boy in that situation with all that shit would have happened, I would have just got quiet and said, oh, it's all good.

I know what this is. And came back another day. I'm not going to try to fight Mike Tyson as an amateur. I got to learn the box. I got to be humble and figure out what the f*** is going on. Okay, Lush, okay, this is his moment. I ain't tripping. You got me, dog.

It ain't no emotion. are no like it's nothing personal but in that the mistake that dough he made is he should have just bowed out at that moment and let it be with it well now I haven't been here for other stuff I know my niggas a wild niggins I know he's a wild niggins I know him I heard Adam say some shit I'm like yeah that's dope but dough boy is also one of the best writers in the game though boy is also resilient he's also very vulnerable you know what I'm saying so whatever his issues are he not scared to tell you what the fuck is wrong with him you know what I'm saying true so it's like those are the type of things that we appreciate in the comedy community that I felt like

could be possible here but just because that you guys ain't used to that it just got looked on as being like some bitch shit you know what you give us an example of something that doboy has wrote that you found really impressive oh yeah for sure so I had a series oh he's digging in the crates no no they don't know they don't even know so I had a series on a quarantine based on a joke and a series was called what was a called a virtual marriage virtual marriage is about this couple who's never met in person, but they have four kids together. And every time they want to,

she lives in New York, he lives in L.A. And every time they want to have a baby, he goes and donate sperm, and they fedex the sperm to her. She gets impregnated, and they have a baby. So a fire dystopian concept, for sure.

And we shot it. Yeah, yeah. So he raises the kids on the phone, like everything that's done on phone and FaceTime. So he wrote that whole seven episode series in like two weeks. And we shot that shit.

Yeah, we did a premiere for it. A bunch of people came, you know what I'm saying? Talented guy. Yeah, he's a talented. He's a, he's a producer and a writer. You know what I'm saying? And he can do stand-up as well. But, you know, everybody, everybody has different gifts.

Like in Hoopin, like Dominique Wilkins or Vince Carter, they dunk. Right. That's their skill. So, you know, Chris Paul and what's the other guy? They handle the rock. That's their skill. So his skill set in comedy, well, he does everything, but writing is like his gift. That's what he's seven feet tall at.

Right. Well, you can give him a movie script. and two weeks and he'll bang out a movie script for you. You said Chris Paul, I thought you were about to say his gift to stabbing. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Because he told us that he's been working on a movie called Everything 420. It's a horror movie about No Jumper. It's a horror movie.

We've been waiting. We were so skeptical about it that I feel like it kind of took the wind out of his sales and he stopped working on this movie. No, no, no, no. I actually have the beat seat in here right now and I actually was working on it over the weekend. No, I mean, you guys can stomp the spirit out of a weak dick. Every day. Out of a weak, but I'm not weak.

So, you know, I've come to even, you know, understand and appreciate everybody's personality because Adam will sit here and dissect me to the core live on air. But, like, I take it just because I know it's in the vein of me getting better. I know he's not just being a dickhead and just trying to make me look stupid. That's not unique to you, by the way. Exactly, right. He's just like a tough coach. One thing about me is that I'm much better at dissecting and criticizing.

than I am actually creating, which is unfortunate. But that's, you know, that's kind of where I've found myself where it's like, and I think about it. I've spent my whole life being obsessed with musicians and music and learning about them and criticizing music and talking about music I like, etc. But meanwhile, never even thought about making music at all ever, aside from, obviously, the many of the fire. The great rap songs that we put together.

Which I would not tell you, like, really that indicative of, like, musicality. in many ways but yeah yeah yeah i don't know i used getting off but to be fair i think that what you described is way more producerial minded right like it's so you are involved in the creative process and have input on it but you're not the actual creator and that's why when people try to like give you that like cheerful positive advice where they're like listen it's not the critic who who's at the top of the mountainer who has their hand raised in the middle of the boxing ring and then i'm like no you got to understand i'm not I'm that guy.

I'm the guy who's not getting his hand raised in the boxing room, but we'll do a really good description of why somebody lost or why somebody sucks or why somebody's good, whatever. But, like, you know, I'm more of a critic than I am, like, a creator in a lot of ways, which, like, I understand we're creating podcasts, but, like, largely what we're doing is, like, commentating on and criticizing other things that other people have going on. So I can't logically sit here and look down upon somebody who's a critic.

And really, like, a lot of my favorite content creators are critics, who either make videos or just write and like, you know, basically tear shit apart. Oh, yeah, but you know, also too, man, in your position, because I've been in your position, when you've got to deal with so many personalities and shit, you know, you get decision-making fatigue. That's a real medical diagnosis where you deal with so many different people and have to make so many decisions that at some point it's hard to even make one. You know what I mean? So I get that, you know what I mean?

So that's the part that, you know, some of them don't even consider. They just know what the fuck they want from you or somebody. But they don't understand that it's 30 other people just like you saying the same shit. You know what I mean? And then when you leave, one of those 30 comes and says something negative about one of the other people. Oh, you can't trust that guy. So it's all these politics and shit I know you have to deal with because I've had a podcast network that is not as successful. But at some point, dog, I know you just sometimes want to be like, man, fuck all these.

Oh, yeah. Sometimes it's like, is it really worth dealing with all this bullshit to just make some some content. Like maybe it would be better if I just did shit by myself and got like significantly less views, but didn't have to worry about anyone. Maybe I'm that kind of person. I've spent a lot of time thinking about that. But really at the end of the day, I feel like I would so much rather sit there and have a conversation with someone else, at least one other person rather than have to like the whole thing of like sitting behind the computer streaming by yourself. Like I've done it. I feel like I could get a lot better at it. But ultimately it's just not really

like my thing. Like I want to say what I got to say. And then, toss it to the other person and go back and forth. I would literally starve to death, too, if you did that. That benefits, yeah. I could tell some stories, right? What's the weirdest, like, scenario or personality you've dealt with since you've been doing this shit? Oh, my God. He's upper echelon.

I mean, think about, like, let's just psychoanalyze sharp for a moment, you know, like a convicted sex trafficker whose whole personality is based on the idea that he's great with women. But like every woman I've ever met who had anything to do with him hated him and was disgusted by him and wanted nothing to do with him. And you know, you can't even have a conversation with him because he's just going to overpower you by basically like passing the buck to like a million other people. Every time I ever tried to talk to him about how to get better as a content creator, it was basically like, well, Laura did this.

Mike that you can't you know but meanwhile would like be talking so much that like you couldn't even get through to him to explain to him that he can't just get away with like blaming everything on other people it's like like when I think about the fact that I spent like years trying to make content with this person that's insane you gave him like a lot of leeway to be honest I don't think a lot of other people that have worked here like you would have been as because he was doing so good at first but that's the weird thing about no jumper as opposed to other podcasts I remember when Joe Button was basically putting together that show that was kind of short-lived called State of the Culture.

And he, I show up and it was like me, I think Chuck English from the cool kids might have been there if I'm not forgetting. And then like a couple other people and they put us on a panel and basically they give us topics and we have to discuss these topics and we're not on camera but Joe Bud is just sitting there like watching us and just observing what he thinks of us as podcasters.

I've never done that. Every single thing that we've ever done on this podcast has basically been for the fans to see. So we just try people out in real time. And so the fans, it's like, you know, it's a quantity over quality approach because- You're not a scouting report. Joe Budded at his whole like, you feel me?

Yeah, but I mean, that is a very like logical and reasonable way to go through. It's like, hey, take 20 minutes, put all these people on podcasts, sit there, observe them, come up with your thoughts and observations about who's good and who's not, and then that will aid you in putting together the panel.

Eventually, I don't know. We don't do that. would way rather just put a bunch of random people together. Do the content. If it sucks, let the community talk about that. If it's good, maybe one of the people's good. One of the people suck. You kind of like bringing them in from there or whatever.

Like I've always kind of allowed the audience to just be part of it and to like basically evaluate talent as I am. But the problem with that sometimes is that it's so easy for people to just basically like get into the position and then it's awkward to remove them from that position because you just tried them out on like an established show. Because it happened in those going on. Well, yeah. And it's really difficult to distinguish, like, the love from this fan base

or if they're just, like, laughing at you. It's a very thin line. Like, are they rocking with you or are they just rocking with you so they can see you destroy yourself? I was just getting talked about for everything. I just come in here and take a sip of water. Let me, this guy. Was he thinking thirsty?

So now it's probably... But now you've been around long enough that they've seen. seems like there is more empathy coming from the audience because even when they don't feel like you're doing great, they still feel like they know you. But that initial period of your first couple pods where they don't know you, it's like so unbelievably hard to break through that. When I seen them do the competition, I hate competitions. Even though no jumpers are a great brand, I'm like, I can never do a competition because you got to get outside your body. But he killed it by thriving competition. But I don't give a what you think. He thinks it's not even

It's just about the moment and what the fuck we're doing. And that's the problem with doing those host competitions is that even though they have been kind of fruitful for us, it's also someone who's established, which granted, he's like pretty established to have been doing that is usually like not going to really want to put themselves in a position where they have to like compete against a bunch of other people who realistically don't have shit going on. You got a nigga slapping your titty. That's not on your level.

Yeah, no. Well, that happened a few months. Yeah. The most, the, the craziest thing I ever seen Do Boy do, he took his shirt off and he did a cartwheel and he got titty in his mouth. That was, he motorboat itself? No, no, no, no, no, he just did a cartwheel. Have you ever ran with your shirt off? I have.

Because, like, I remember in high school that there was a girl, I don't know if this was like folklore or not, but like the word was when I was like 13 and this girl had like way bigger boobs than any other girl my age. but the word was that before she got a bra, she was running on the track and one of her boobs went up and gave her a black guy. Yeah, that's beautiful, yeah. And I don't know if that is a real thing or not, but it was repeated so many times around the school that it might as well have been true.

No, when you fat like that, when you fat like that and you run, the shit hurts because it's like, it's like going up and down. So it's not, that's why fat people don't run. You can tear the tissue. Yeah, you can hurt yourself. I got a question for you.

because I've watched your shit for years, right? What was the moment you decided to go from like the BMX shit, the biking shit, to this? Like, what made you do that? So around like 2014, 2015, I was starting to sense that running a BMX blog was really just not going to be the thing going forward because I knew that like blogs were becoming way less important. Whereas like when I had started it in 2006, it was like everything. Like even in hip hop blogs were everything for like a significant period of time. And then also BMX itself was like declining in popularity. You know, I would be checking the search results for BMX on Google trends and shit like that

and realizing like, oh, this shit is like waning in popularity significantly. And then meanwhile, at the same time, coincidentally, I'm in downtown LA and I'm going to these underground rap shows. And I'm just loving the energy. And it's like completely different than the rap that the culture surrounding rap that I grew up around. You know, a lot of times you go to these shows. And the audience is like way more white kids. everybody's, you know, weird hipster type dudes and shit like that, but like they're so passionate

about this music. And so that's kind of how I managed to slip into it, which when I think about it, like when I started the BMX website in 2006, I should have started a hip-hop blog at the same time because I had plenty of shit to say about it. But I felt at that time that like you don't really get to talk about hip-hop unless you've got some stripes, you know? You have to have like earned that position, which sounds insane now because now you just start a YouTube channel. Like what the fuck of all of our favorite rap YouTubers did not have any kind of credentials going into it. Right. They just

had shit to say. And so I wish that I had gone on it earlier but yeah that was kind of how I transitioned over and then like within the first year doing interviews I interview XXX and Tausian is like one of the biggest interviews of all time and so that just kind of launched me onto this trajectory

where all of a sudden like riding bikes which I had already kind of grew disillusioned with just didn't really feel like the thing to me anymore. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that was dope. The pivot is dope because every artist that's relevant has had to pivot so many. I know I pivot at least five or six times.

So that's always uncomfortable. You know what I mean? Because you've got to look at you. Like what the fuck am I doing wrong? How do I? Yeah. There's just so much to learn too. Because in the BMX world was like simple. I knew everything. I knew every person. I knew every pro. And then all of the time I'm in the music business and people are talking to me about like, you know, publishing. I'm like,

I got to like go home and look up publishing. You know, like try to figure out what that is. Got to make the digital pivot. Yeah. Real talk. Wait, so okay, let's get a little bit of the Craig backstory and the lore. Tell us a little bit about your upbringing and everything. I want to get the, because I kept trying to find, like, I found a lot of podcasts that you were on,

but most of them were like you just talk about random shit. It wasn't talking about your lore. Oh, indeed. It's all good. So, yeah, man, I'm from Pasadena, California. Not too far from here. Yeah, all day long, you know, shout out to Dina, Dina Love. But, yeah, so me, man, I started off as just a rapper.

And I graduated high school in 2000. I'm a old dude. I'm 44 and shit. So I was just trying to rap for years, a failed rapper and shit. Just putting out music and shit going all the underground shit, trying to get my shit on dub CNN radio. And you were Craig Smith as a rapper or you had a rapper? No.

So I've been a couple different things as a rapper. At first I was format, right, when I was on my underground hip-hop shit. Okay. And then I changed it to Chill Withers. You know what I mean? So, Chill Withers is what it is now. That's probably what it will remain. So you're still open to rapping.

Yeah, I put out albums all the time. Oh, shit, okay. You guys stop on Spotify. Whenever I put out a stand-up, like, I do stand-up and rap simultaneously. So if I do an album, I write a stand-up special to match the album. Oh, nice. Yeah, so, yeah. So, Chill Withers, and because I'm a big fan of Bill Withers, he was like a really, he was a lyricist, like a concert singer.

Yeah. And we have a lot of parallels and shit like- Ain't no sunshine. Use me. Yeah, all that dope shit, right? But he also was a guy that refused to quit his job. So he was a multi-plutinum artist, and he was still working at Boeing as an airplane mechanic because he was scared to put his financial future in the hands of somebody else.

Okay. So they had to convince him beg him to quit his job. And my parallel is similar. You know, I own trucks and shit. You know, I worked in transportation for years, and I always kept a gig because I'm scared of entertainment being like just the only way I get bred because it's so up and down. So I related to that parallel. And I start calling myself chill withers.

When did you like decide? So you always kind of just kept regular jobs or business type of shit going on? Yeah, I always keep a few hustles. I mean, I was, you know, I was raising the crack air, the gang bang air. So I grew up around people selling crack and dope and shit like that. And I tried that shit when I was really young and that wasn't for me. But what I did take away from that is you always got to have multiple hustles. So I'm always somebody that has a few things going on.

I'm never just on one thing. Was it Dina hell of different back then? Yeah, it's changed because, you know, Dina, you know, where I'm from, the biggest blood gang in L.A. County, um, PDL. You know, I'm not, I don't gang bang, but my entire family is that. Um, we had in junctions and shit, Rico Axe put on, uh, you know, that were big hits from. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know, you know, his family and my family. What, what made you able to avoid the gang shit? This has got to be pretty tempting, right? Yeah, I mean, you know, I was a hooper. I played basketball as a kid.

I was a blessed athlete, you know what I mean? And I never was a follower. And my dad, shout out to my pop Smitty. He's a gangster. But he's above that cripping blood era. He's like a late 60s, early 70s gangster. So all the dudes where I'm from respected him. And then with me having cousins and shit from there, I never really felt the peer pressure.

You know what I mean? So I just always did my own thing. I always been like a rogue guy. Okay. Yeah. And I think gang banging is corny. I'm going to be honest. Really?

What about it? Well, there's so many different layers, right? Not the niggas, that gang bang. But the whole lifestyle is not what it was. At first, it was family and culture. Now it was just a bunch of mentally ill niggas trying to prove who's sicker. Because I've been thinking a lot about that

because my daughter is five and a half and she, you know, she's talked to Crip Mac on FaceTime. She's talked to Brick Baby. She knows who whack is and all this shit. And she knows that they have funny nicknames. and shit like that. She knows that Krip Mac has a big five on his face, but she doesn't obviously know what a gang is.

And I've thought about how at some point I'm going to have to explain that to her. And there's so many different ways that you could go with it because you could give her the kind of nice, clean version and be like, oh, they're just all from different neighborhoods. So like a different neighborhood

has like a different name. And that's just all the dudes from over there. That's what they call themselves. And then just not mention that like, well, so they also shoot the other guys over there. They kill her involved. They're murderous. They're a PG version.

I don't know. Am I doing her a disservice by giving her the cleaned up version right there? Because obviously, like, most parents would just warn their kid, like, this is terrible. Like, stay away from it. But I can't really, like, say that because I got to explain why I'm hanging out with these things. I mean, the cold part is if you don't show them, even if she's not FaceTiming with Craig Mac, she's going to see blueface on the internet regardless at a certain point. And then the conversation is going to need to recur.

They say Craig is from Pasadena, Denver Lanes. I'm not a lot of you. Let me ask you this, Adam. With all the things that have happened over the last couple months, and really over the last couple years with all the gang stuff here, are you at all starting to get gang banging fatigue? Like, is just a lot? Is it getting to that space for you?

I will say that, like, I'm getting, well, I think I was this before, like, in terms of just cautious about, like, who I put in the same room. But after recent events in particular, I'm really feeling that fatigue of like, God damn, I really, like, can't just put me together because... You have some real killers up here, dog. I know.

He called me late night, like, no, I need you to understand. Some of these niggas up here are really... I ain't going to say no names. I understand the politics. And your man's just coming over here. Yeah. It's like having Carl Winslow come up here, you know. Well, we did.

We just had two of the killers leave. but but more importantly though like okay and hefe gets a murder charge yeah we replace him with a guy who just did 10 years for murder right so I mean yeah as much as we might like kind of think that there's some value and like kind of getting away from the killers it's like it just seems like we can't can't escape it I don't mean you're not a good person that like I don't want to take that yeah because I'm not putting no indictment on gang members because I understand the culture and some point in your life, right? If you grow up in certain environments, you literally have to do that to survive.

Yeah. You get what I'm saying? So that, like, I got love for all gang members. But, you know, with Co-Intel Pro and all this FBI intelligence, there's no way you can be a street nigger and not expect to go to jail or have to murder somebody, you know, or not be told on. So why would I do that? Why would I choose something where I know there's no win in the end?

Why would I continue to do that as a grown-ass? man. Oh, totally. Yeah. And that's why it's actually kind of like nice of the gang community that they have a pretty hard and fast rule, which is basically like, you can't join a gang when you're older. Or you can, but you will be ridiculed

for it. They expect it. They expect you to make the decision about what you're going to come from when you're a teenager. And if you do it when you're even like in your mid-20s, when your frontal lobe is fully developed, they're going to hate on you for it, which is kind of telling. This is a decision that

needs to be made when you're in your infancy as a man. Right, right. The only way I join the gang is if they have a nurse and life insurance. You know what I mean? Then I'm covered if I get hurt or if I die, my family is good. You know what I mean? I think that's kind of crazy too. Like, you know how you say that, like, you know,

you get ridiculed if you make the decision as an adult. If you get ridiculed if you make the decision as an adult that somebody can make that. But it's almost like you're championed if you make it as a child. That almost comes off as a little predatory to me. Like, I want to make it. want to talk to an impressionable child and you'll get stripes and I'll appreciate you more if you make this decision as a child. But if you do it as a grown man and somebody knows how to

make a decision, nah, we ain't mess with you. You use a weenie. Like, that's just kind of crazy to me. Even a fade thing. As I get older, I love fighting this shit, but as I got older, like, just because you challenged me to a fade don't mean I got a fight. You broke, nigga. What do you want to fight a broke nigga for it, man? Why would I fight anybody that's doing worse than me? It don't make no sense for you to challenge me to a fade. Nika, do your taxes, get your own apartment, you know what I mean, do something solid. And then I think about fighting me. But for me to step off what I'm trying to accomplish and fight you is just a weird old shit.

Yeah, because at a certain point, even if you accomplish a lot with your life, if you are summoned for a DP, the whole idea is that you're going to get the shit beat out of you by some dudes that realistically probably have almost nothing going on. Yeah. The millionaire from the hood is not the one beating the fuck out of you, you know? Yeah, it's some wild shit, man. Hopefully it changes, man. Right.

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, call it what you want, but there's no denying, like Doe Boy pointed out the predatory aspect. It is. Like, we've never seen gang members roll up to high schools looking for like the next, like, generation of, like, they literally been, my bad, middle school. Right, right, right. You feel me, middle school.

So, okay, I want to discuss this clip that has kind of been going viral and not in our world at all, but basically like, okay, so this is an interview clip that I did with a named DreamLife Rizzi from the Bay. And the caption is, one of the most prolific criminals in all of San Francisco tells Adam 22 that crime in San Francisco is over with because of flock cameras and drones. He complains that he can't even do drive-bys anymore.

Oh, that's hilarious. It's simple. When the risk of getting caught is too high, crime plummet. So let's just watch the clip real quick. That's the other way, brother. Oh, my mom, my, nigga. I got drones. I'm going to keep a flogers and they're called.

Look, soon it's just. you slide past that motherfucker with some stolen plates they're going to issue a warning to every sfpd station in that area if not the entire city right and they're going to start dispatching to that area and when they catch you they're going to catch you and then they're going to put the drawn on you they're not going to follow you with no PD car from hell afar they don't got to do that no unmarked vehicles they're going to set a drone on you listen they're going to set a drone on you that's about a few thousand feet up and it's just going to trail you the whole time and then when you hit a corner or something, they're going to box your ass in.

So you're saying that like with all that license play technology that the classic move of like stealing a car and then spinning on your ops and then ditching the car, that that just is not what it used to be. No, you can't do that shit no more. Really? Yeah. So basically this is being like weaponized, if you will, by the tech billionaire community. Because this guy, Paul Graham is, I mean, he has three million followers.

I forget his exact resume, but I'm pretty sure he's like, a VC or whatever. He's like a huge deal in the Silicon Valley tech world. And he quotes it and says, wow, this is the way you want criminals to be talking about your anti-crime tech. And basically like, this is such a random clip from at least over a year ago. And it's pretty hilarious to see the tech community coming forward to say, hey, all of this mass surveillance technology that a lot of people think is bad. Look at how this criminal is saying that basically doing a drive-by is now

defunct because of this technology. Like, it's a total billboard for the products and the services that they are offering. That this guy has no best interest in the successor. I don't know that, but that would be pretty fucking interesting. Come on. I mean, yeah, I don't know. This is the way you want them to talk about.

The fact that he complained that he can't do a drive-by anymore. I can't shoot out of a moving vehicle. Which, by the way, he didn't do. He didn't even say the whole time he was just talking about riding around and stolen whips. Then Adam asked him about, oh, so you can't even like jump in a stolo and do a skit anymore? And he's like, yeah. Oh, my God.

Look at this. Yes, Paul Graham is an investor in flock safety. The manufacturer of the automated license play readers and AI power surveillance cameras used by law enforcement and communities. I mean, hey, you can't hate on him for bigging up his investment, but that's pretty hilarious that he co-owns this. Yeah, exactly. Flock safety. Yes, right?

That is so far. I need a flock safety shirt. And the fact that the person who posted this called him one of the most prolific criminals in all of San Francisco. I don't know if Dreamwife Rizzi has necessarily risen to that. Well, yeah, that's ambitious in the city that was literally based on criminality built on the gold rush. All day long, still insane.

Making a lot of presumpt Chinese slavery. Yeah. They got a pretty dark. But niggas to figure out a way, Adam. Yeah. Yeah. They have robots committing crimes. They have robot gangs, robot problems.

We're going to figure out a way to hustle. Nothing's going to stop us. I've never had a clip of mine of a rapper talking about crime be used in such a way. Like, I'm really kind of flabbergasted by the fact that this is, yeah, he was one of the original investors and Y Combinator.

Like, that dude is a big deal. Him using this clip to basically say that his product is awesome is so funny to me. Wow. I don't know. He's got to do a deal with him, man. Yeah, I got to tap in with him. I got way more criminals that I can...

He seems like he's in the Elon Musk, like, archetype of just straight Batman villain. He's not like a regular... I mean, is he evil? I don't know. It seems like there's some nefarious activities going on. He's justifying mass surveillance in favor of, like, people being safer, which I don't really think that's, like, inherently evil. No. That's how they do it, though.

That's how propaganda works. It's always a catastrophic event to make you change. But that's the reality is that mass surveillance will make us safer, like it or not. It's just like, I don't know how you could deny that, right? Like, okay, because I was suggesting this to my girl the other day is like, if there's cameras everywhere, and let's say like 10 years from now, there's way more cameras, is it like immoral or unethical for those cameras to be able to just basically like identify bad behavior as a driver and then you just get tickets in the mail or you get your license taken away? We're all used to the idea that like if you're breaking the law, you have to get caught.

Or otherwise, like, you know, you have basically like you can break the law. You just have to be smart about getting away with it. Is there a future? I think there probably is a future in which like every bad thing that you do will be assessed, like, at least in public. That sucks. Yeah, that's great. It sucks for people from our world where it's like, yeah, I can do Coke right on the side of the street. I just have to like make sure there's no cops looking, you know?

And like we've always gotten by on that, right? I think it could be a double. a little less sort though because even though it might stop a lot of the crime and stuff then it also makes us give up a lot of our privacy and I you know this government like you know how they can be like they can try to invade on your privacy for as much as they want for their own personal gang so it might not just be a crime stopping thing you could be you're losing your privacy they know a lot about you and they can you in the end anyway here's the problem right I'm reading this book called 50 philosophical classics and there's a chapter with a guy who his whole

philosophy is on simulation and he talks about the hyper-referrefer versus the real, right? What's real is this conversation we're having in the room. The cameras on us and then observing us having this conversation at home, that's the hyperreal. But in the hyperreal or the hyper reality, there's so many different nuances

that they're missing out on in this conversation that they could base their entire lives on something that we say in the real, through the hyper real, but have a completely misguided misconception of what the fuck we're talking about because they don't understand all the nuances happening in the room.

They don't understand Adam, for real. They just know what they see on camera. So that could be a mistake. If we're dealing, if we're, if we're allowing these to just do these security cameras and that's all hyper real, there could be a lot of people who are putting up situations

because maybe the camera's not reading it right. They may think this water gun is a real gun. They may think this cap gun is a real gun. They may think these dudes play fighting are really, you get what I'm saying? But as the technology evolves, eventually like all that stuff will probably get worked out. What does that entail?

though, like, because I could literally walk by you and you could, let's say the camera doesn't catch it, but you can just get real close to me and just stab me, right? And I'm literally leaking blood. Right. And then I attack you afterwards and I'm the one that gets in trouble. Like hypothetically, because the camera, camera sees all, camera determines all. He ain't stab him. There's no evidence of him stabbing him on camera. Like, have you heard about, I know that's like an absurd. No, like the future of crime is a gunshot goes off and a drone is immediately deployed without any kind of human intervention

to where the gunshot went off and then the drone identifies the person running away from the scene or the car that shot that is taking off or whatever and it just tracks that and then at some point like let's just like isolate this discussion down to this one thing

this one shooting idea and then the drone following you what if it gets to the point where no sane person would ever shoot somebody because it is so assumed that the drone is going to be effectively able to track you. I feel like that is a pretty... That would be a good thing.

That is a likely scenario going forward. And that, like, it already feels like, you know, if you compare today to the 70s, that you really, like, getting into crime or, like, being a shooter is just like an absurd idea. Yeah. Yeah. Just because, like, if you wanted to be...

Like, when you watch documentaries about serial killer in the 70s, you're like, it was this easy? Like, I could have done this times all. 100 and put on a wig and got you a good 50 murders yeah and now it's like you know like you you want to shoot somebody like you know there's been like when the homeless guy was sleeping outside of my house and I was thinking about doing something to him it's like there's cameras everywhere in my neighborhood like I would never have been able to consider really doing anything that crazy like

the the logical snafu with like what you described of basically like patriot missiles using pre-cognition, like at a certain point it's going to be like, it's going to preemptively attack us because it thinks we're going to attack. But it's not going to attack. It's just going to track you.

Yeah, but that is certain, but where does that end, essentially? I don't think they're ever going to let the drones just kill people because we think that they might have shot somebody. Well, here's the thing, though. Why would that ever be okay? They just recently passed some autonomous driving and technology initiatives recently

where, you know, like in trucking, All the trucks are going to be self-driving trucks. That's going to go over to the drone thing. You know, because right now they have to pay people to control the drones, but they don't want to do that. They're going to upload software where they just do what the fuck they want to do. So automation is a good and a bad thing because once you take shit out, human error is beautiful.

The fact that you can commit a crime now and a cop might catch you or might not catch you is a beautiful thing. Like, I don't know if we want to get rid of that room for error because that kind of makes us who we are. We don't because we all, engage at least in some criminality. Or actually, when you really think about it, like poor people live much of their lives outside on the street. Rich people don't.

Poverty is criminalized. Everybody does drugs, but poor people sometimes have to do drugs on the street and rich people get to do it in their home where there is no surveillance. Right, right. Yeah, and they oftentimes do way more deviant things and get away with it. Exactly. For better or for worse. Yeah, I mean, it'll be cool for a while, you know what I'm saying?

till you walk in on your girl fucking a robot you're like, hold on, man, technology. Fuck technology. Why is this Tesla robot my girl, you know what I mean? But really, what's the difference for in the robot and a dildo? The robot is just a way better dildo.

Yeah, yeah. Do I get to fuck a female robot? Sure. But you think female pussy, I mean, robot pussy would be as good? No, but maybe in 20 years. I'm willing to try. Probably, okay.

Think about the amount of technology that we're dealing with. It's scary. Look at trans women in the 90s compared to now. Like in 30 years. They don't have school places. Yeah, 20 years ago, I wanted nothing to do with them. Nowadays, I'm all of them.

Right, right, right. Not a care in the world. No, but, okay. Have you guys done the virtual reality bullshit? No, I haven't. I really have to do it just so I could talk about it on here. But, like, I had a friend who was in his house, and he didn't realize that, like, one of his friends was, like,

in the house walking around, like that they were awake. He thought they were asleep or whatever. So he didn't even close his door or lock his door or anything. And he puts on the VR headset. And he's, you know, hooking up with the woman in the VR headset. And his friend walks into the room and just sees him with the VR headset going, he's eating pussy in the Metaverse. And his homie walks in on him.

And I'm like, holy, that sounds like the most embarrassing thing I can ever think of. But this guy swears by. It's like it's so much better than just jerking off. Oh, wow. I got to try it out. That would have been fucking. But all I got now is different gloves. It's different texture gloves to jerk off.

But if I get, the VR shit might be. Yeah, because what is it about a pussy that feels so good to f*** it? Like, you know, at some point there will be moisturizing technology. There'll be warmth technology. There'll be so many different things that, like, Like, obviously, part of the appeal of having sex with a human vagina is the fact that this woman consented to it. But at some point, they're going to be able to, like, I remember the first time I grabbed a boob on a sex doll.

Yeah. It felt exactly. I didn't suck it because I was at a porn convention and probably a lot of other people had been talking about. But it felt so real that I felt like I immediately kind of saw the future. Like, yeah. Like, at some point, that's going to be, it might not ever be good enough for me, but it'll definitely be good enough for a lot of people. I used to have a fleshlight blacker today. That was fired.

I smashed it several times. The fleshlights is like a flashlight, but you take it off. We got another one right here for you. I'm surprised there hasn't been a pimp that that's what he does on the holstrel. He rents out sex toys. Great surprise. Entrepreneurial. Open up a little hotel down by fig.

Right. And I've, no women, please. Do not try to bring a prostitute here. But I have a whole selection of sex toys. that you can use for $15 an hour. You better watch it. If this is all about coming,

that's why I don't understand why dudes go to prison and start raping other men. It's like, I feel like... That's because they were raped. That's the flying... Jerk off. Just make a cool technological

experiment, you know? Like, just come up with something like anything besides just a dude's butt. Yeah. Do you see the intricacy of the fifies they create? Like, they go in. I haven't got... Why had a sex toy idea?

It's called the jog. It's a jackoff glove. Yeah, instead of arguing with your girls, just have a jaw. Have a jaw. I ain't put it out yet, Adam. But if you want to help me, right now, it's a pack of socks. It's a jog. I wanted to look.

Something like that. I think I had one when I was a kid. Remember this? Oh, wow. You used to beat off with the Nintendo hand. That's some $1. Powered love, dude. I couldn't afford that.

When I was thinking I wanted it bad. I didn't even, but that shit exists. I don't even know what I would have done by the way. It did absolutely nothing. It's one of the most useless. Oh, you had one? I mean, I played with one.

You couldn't like punch in the game? It was supposed to work with Mike Tyson's punch out. But like if you notice it actually has a controller on it, which is an everly like, I mean, I think the first like home console video game I ever played in my entire life was duck hunt, which if you really think about that technology, it being able to point the gun at the screen

and have it actually register. Top tier. It's kind of impressive. Yeah. And the pad. Getting a beat from the computer, Nathan. Remember the running pad? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Power pad. Yeah, yeah. The only way to play 3D World Runner. Oh, my God. Is that the one where you can do the track and field? Yeah, yeah. You can run on it and jump and see. There's track and field as well.

It was weird they were able to admit that so early on. Huh. You know, they say all technology is military first, and it comes out like 20 or 30 years before in the military. Is that military and then? Military and then. Military. Well, like, no, but for real, like, they'll use technology to basically kill people.

Right. And then at some point, they'll use technology to distribute. Oh. And then it'll, like, trickle down to everything else. That makes sense from a CIA perspective because you want to see what the people are up to. Everybody's going to watch people. Well, really just like that's the, like, the internet. Like, when the internet came out, people were, like, putting on the internet pretty much, like, immediately.

Like, a lot of people, that was their first use case for it, right? And although none of us leave in, like, gaykeeping, it is good. monitor people that are doing extra nefarious weird shit. Right. I mean, the weirder the research, the more likely this is somebody we need to pay attention. Yeah. Look into this. That makes real sense.

I'm going to research that. There's definitely like an overlap on the Venn diagram there for sure. I mean, like the dark web probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for people trying to look at illegal, illicit shit on the internet. You know, like that technology exists because there's people. that want to look at things that are so illegal that it would be really, really, really hard for somebody to, like, maintain a website

with that kind of content. So I was up the dark web was for Africans. I didn't even know. You give a little black ass on that out of the computer, Robin is four on? Funny you should say that. Hey, I wanted to get your opinion on this, Gray. This is something that came up here on the podcast a couple weeks ago,

but I know your stance on blackness and everything, So I want to see what your take on this is. All right. So I got a fight coming up on August 29th because Spody Face called me a jigaboo. Right. Jigaboo. Are you still talking about this like present tense or? Oh, no, we're fighting.

Oh, okay. It's happening. So he might have to beat up two people in the same night. Yeah, yeah, he might have to. Oh, okay. So we got into it. We got into it because you called me Uncle Tom and the J-word because I said that I didn't have a problem with white comedians dressing up in black face.

Right. Because us as black comedians do it. and under the comedy license of being creative, that shouldn't be a problem. What say you on the matter? Okay, I got love for you. He was correct. Yeah, he just asked.

You wouldn't have called me the J-word too? I wouldn't have called you a jiggible because I understand you're trying to, you know, you're trying to be fair. Right. But unfortunately, there is no fairness in this country when it comes to black and white.

You know what I'm saying? Now, at our level with some fairness, you work hard, you can get shit done. But there are some institutional, you know, racist things that happen. that where certain things shouldn't be viewed as equal. And with the whole history of blackface, the history of blackface, I don't know if you know,

but there was a time where we were slaves. I know that. There was a time when white comedians from New York would go to the South because they had comedians that were slaves and they would go to the South and watch these comedians do shows for their communities, and they would steal their acts and go back to Broadway and put Blackface on,

and do the exact same comedy acts. They seen these slaves do in the South. They would go back to New York and they would do it on Broadway and they would still their joke, still their whole act. Swagger Jacket. And they would put on blackface so they could be more convincing to the white audience that this is what these inwards do, niggas do down here down south.

But is there any expiration date on when we're just going to be like, okay, that was offensive then. That was terrible back then. It really probably hurt a lot of people. Is there at any point that we could just let this shit go? because I ain't never letting this shit go. But see, but what do you say about this then? What do you say about the white people who say that when black people dress up in white

face and make fun of white people, that's racist to them too? We just feel like we can't tell you that that's racist? Black people, non-whites can't be racist in this country because we don't control the power dynamic. See, racism is about, it's the ability to institutionally control your opportunities in life. We don't have that power. Racism goes one way. It's a lifestyle dictation where the superior financially and resource-wise is able to dictate to the lesser financially, not lesser in humanity, but lesser in resources, connections, what the you should be doing?

How much minimum wage is? How much you're going to pay for a pair of jeans? What's going to put you in jail if you get into it with your bitch? How much time you're going to do if you go to jail? They have studies where they show white guys convicted of the same exact crimes as blacks and Hispanics, and they get three or four years for a crime. and the Mexican or black dude gets 15 years. So this is what racism is. This is why, you know, me as a, you know, as a black man in this country,

I don't give a about the equality conversation when it comes to, well, white people should be able to do it because black people now f*** that. Nika, you got a head start on a whole lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? So you're going to have to give me that one. You're going to have to give me that one. That's just what it's going to be. And we're going to have to be able to do it and they can't.

The thing is the sensitivity part of it, as men, of any race, If I can do it and you do it, I can't get sensitive about it. I can't call the fade with you because you're a white dude in blackface. I don't fuck with this shit and I'm not cool with it. Get that shit away from me,

but I'm not going to do nothing physically to you. I'm not going to think ill of your family. I'm going to just keep away from you. You just won't like it, but you ain't going to like it. I ain't going to like it. If it gets physical where somebody, you know, burn across in my yard or some shit. Well, it could be considered an active aggression

just because of like the pain that comes with that and all that. So just you being a level-headed person, you might not respond like that, but someone else might see that same thing. Somebody might whoop you out. I'm for all forms of equality. I grew up in an era where we just assumed white boys couldn't fight growing up. Have you lost a fight to a white boy in the 90s? We're both proof.

That's not true. Right. But when I'm saying that, we know that's not true. We know that's not true. But we just assume that. That's something that can get you killed. You'd be a black dude from Compton and you moved to somewhere in the Bay or somewhere in Modesto where it's these crazy-ass white boys. And you think you could just run up on them.

You could get your ass beat to death. Not by the corn fed. Yeah. He's just regular white boys that don't play no games. Yeah, for sure. But see, in our culture, we got this misconception that all the people that don't play got to be gangsters. Now, like, these gangbanging niggas, they got cousins like me that whoop on them.

They got regular family that go to work that ain't with the bullshit. They say, nigga, you can't borrow no more money. Get the fuck out of here. And then they go out and rob you. But when we're talking about, like, what's offensive? It's like, yes, a white guy paying. his face black and a black guy painting his face white are like literally equal. The difference is is that a huge percentage of Americans are offended as by people when

they see a white person paint their face black. And meanwhile, what percentage of white people were offended by a Drewski painting his face one? I don't think almost anyone was offended. They did find it hypocritical, which, okay, that's a fair opinion. But I don't think like, you know, let's be real. Like there's a reason why the N-word is the most loaded, powerful, word in the English language. And then meanwhile, I can say Cracker on this podcast and not worry

about getting demonetized. I can say Cracker in front of, you know, you guys can say Cracker aggressively to a bunch of white people and nobody's going to take offense to it because like these things literally are just nothing without the greater societal context of who's offended by them. I do in some way think that like at some point the world will get to a point where a white person will one day just like do blackface in some sort of comedic thing and like somehow it'll be accepted more than we could ever expect right now

I don't pull it off yeah but like I was talking about this was Michael Blackson the other day and neither of us could think of a person he suggested Will Ferrell I'm like Will Farrell is not he would never he's not ready to make a suicide like that funny is doing the world he's gonna be Morgan Freeman but white comedians

try to do do the shit all the time they do like you get these Rocky bow bow boy white comedians tough hey I don't give a will I'll say it. Like you get these and they try to do it all the time. But what makes it stupid is like the context is never right. Like the white dudes that want to do this are never the white dudes that with black people for real.

It's always the white dude that was raised somewhere where the town is 99.9% white. They've never really had any genuine experiences with anybody that wasn't white. And it's all based in ignorance. So, you know, like in the hood, we make exceptions for the white boys that grew up with us, that gang bang, to do what we do. You know what I mean? They get away

with a lot of shit, you know what I mean? Or even just rapping, taggings. Yeah, yeah. It's really a cultural thing. I think that's why so many people from my culture have a problem

with the whole no jumper thing. It's just a culture thing. Like, they're not used to seeing. Like, when I watched that video, it was mostly white guys in the room and it was getting on doughboy. So that... By the way,

I think he thinks me and Josh are the same person. I don't know who it was. Many people do. But what I'm saying is, this is where this is where the hyper-reality part comes in that I said earlier because I'm on the other side looking. So I have no real understanding

of what happens in here. So I'm just seeing a dude that ain't black and a bunch of other dudes that ain't black talking crazy to your naked. Come on, black guy, be funny. You get what I'm saying? You get what I'm saying? So it looks like, hold on this. What the fuck, Nicky. Let's go burn across an Adam jar. And it happens

to be your homie. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And so it's like, you know, that's the part. That's why this shit is dangerous. Podcast and it's dangerous, you know, everybody shouldn't have a mic because they don't understand, like, somebody's taking this shit super literal. Or also, inversely, everybody shouldn't have ears. Right.

Because at one point, is it on the, is it on the interpreted? It's not just how people choose to interpret it is kind of on them to a certain degree. You can't fully blame us just because your take, like you said, like a fragmented view of a out of context moment, and then they're going to frame it out where they choose to. Indeed. And you and in that book I was telling you about they talk about the the whole reason Disneyland exists right and this is his for a lot one of his philosophies is the whole reason Disneyland is a thing just Walt Disney didn't like

Well they wanted to be able to have something to point to other than the reality They want us to believe that would be fantasy so so anytime he didn't believe what they were saying they could point to this like no that's fantasy this is real You get what I'm saying and yeah that makes a lot of sense. And this kind of this goes back to the whole surveillance conversation at a certain point, especially with the popularization of AI and all that, it's so difficult to distinguish what's real and what's not, even when it's shown right to us. And that's exactly what they want. It's like PIMPs. It's confusion. Matt's confusion. Pimps have a strategy when they're trying to turn out a girl,

right? One of the, there's like 39 rules to Pimp, but one of the things they say is, is you got to keep a bitch on a can't do mission. What's that mean? So that means you keep her on the hamster wheel. You give her something that she could never complete, that she has to chase so she never has time to think about what you're doing. Because as soon as she is off that chase of what you wanted to do, she's going to focus on you and try to destroy you.

Right. That's us as citizens. The government has built everything, so we're on the chase. Right. Yeah. I just read this extremely long New Yorker article about Andrew Tate and his whole mission that he was doing, dude. and, you know, he was actually very influenced by a lot of the sort of classic pimps.

Like, Pimp and Ken had a book that he basically would make all the dudes who are like his acolytes, a hustler university, I think it was called or whatever. He would make them all read this book by Pimp and Ken that basically explained to you how you break a woman down and bring her to the point where she's not going to, you know, stand up for herself or whatever. And it's super disgusting. Like, the more I learn about pimping, the more I hate that culture. I'm not going to lie. Like, when we would see homies with, like, the iceberg slim or, like, the pin, we would, like, make fun of them. Right.

What the fuck are you doing, bro? Because you had already consumed them and already knew these lessons. No, because it was like, you could learn a lot from the pimps when I look at your last relationship. She was the Pimp. I've been on both sides of the game. A lot of dudes are getting pimped by women and don't even realize it. Facts. Yeah, man.

He just looked at me. No. We all are. I don't realize. I think I think you're the highest form of man when you're okay with somebody else your girl. Yes. Thank you.

Me and Diddy. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, Craig, please explain. Please explain that. How does that the highest level? Okay, look. Because you have no, uh, how can I put this? So like, in India, they have these yogis and shit, right?

And the highest form of these yogis are these thinkers are the dudes that are bombs that sleep on the street. They have no ties to anything, no woman, no finance. Everyone's just. You know what I mean? So the reason that's the highest form of man is because you're not, you're not controlled by your desires to control people. You're just letting the shit happen how it happens.

And if you're in that state, nobody can ever get to you. You know what I'm saying? So allowing people to fuck your bitches one step towards Nirvana. Well, no. You are genuinely unbothered about the thing that like almost every dude would be like extremely upset slash terrified by. It does say something about you the same way that the guy who's happy, you know, eating barely anything and like sleeping on the street or whatever when you think about like a monk. I understand how that is, you know, a thing.

Like for me, it's purely capitalistic. It's purely like, oh, this is like profitable. And maybe we should do this for a few years. But I mean, I could understand. I mean, that is the weird thing about it is I know couples like we are like that for content. I know couples that are like that all the time. meaning the dude could be spending his Thursday night just a couple of random girls out on the town or whatever and his wife is totally cool with it, thinks it's hot, she's getting digged down by a variety of different guys throughout the day and they're a unit and they genuinely are either excited by it or are just like fine with it and I don't understand really. Cracker want a poly. Yeah, I just don't. That to me is like a lot, you know?

that's hard for me to imagine having that kind of communication. When you think about it and you break it down, not saying that I'd be okay with somebody, you know, smashing my wife. I don't know. But when you think about it, though, it really is hypocritical by men because most men. Hit a cripple. Hypocritical by most men because most men would be like, I'd never let another man.

My woman, I'm a man. But those same dudes probably cheat on their chick. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? So you'll go out and be able to bang your chicks behind somebody's back and be dishonest about it. But then you'll be mad if you're mad if you're, your chin is honest and tells you.

I agree with the honesty aspect of it, but there is like physiological differences between men and women cheating, right? Like, clearly. Women can get pregnant. Well, you're just based on our anatomy. Right. Well, I'm just saying just based on the fact of saying

I would not be okay if other men slept with my woman, but I would be okay sleeping with other women. That's just stupid to me. What if it's forcibly? Well, that's never good. Like, what if you make your girl lay in bed with you while you cheat on her? Stop crying, miss.

What if you do it in a really nice way? You get her a whole little setup. You got a little recliner. There's like a foot massager. You make her a long-out-in-lice-see. A little bowl of bonbons and pretzels. She's at gunpoint. You do it in like a really, really nice way.

Because I think everybody's like used to thinking about this on some ditty shit where it's like some weird abusive shit. There's got to be a way, right? Yeah. Some women like abuse. I know that's stupid to say, but like domestic violence is not always abuse because some bitches like to fight. Have you ever dealt with a woman that was very physical?

He has. Never. I have no clue what you're talking about. Well, I have. It's very uncomfortable. Where that's just like their language? That's just how they get down. Something dramatic has to happen in order for them to feel some shit.

Yeah. No, 100%. And then, like, with her, I think, and that's not the only one. I think I would say are probably the vast majority of, like, Latino women that I've been with Got squabbles for sure My last definitely was like The most prolific

She could give Tyson a run for her money On Angry Day We can't normalize that We need to take the sexy Latinas Who are abusing their men And we need to deport them Or at the very least imprison them For sure

Kind of like a hot element to it two degrees Say you okay that's what I'm saying That's why she's your pimp Is because you liked her beating you Until it got so extreme That you couldn't come into work for a week No, I definitely like the feistyness and the spiciness. I think you're just like knowing that she likes you.

The passion. Well, yeah, there's probably an element of that as well. Like, because that's the quickest way to know a bitch don't put you no more is when she don't care when she's not tripping on. But is that care or is that grooming? No, I mean, I think she's trying to turn you into a bitch. It's definitely predatory. I was once in a relationship where a chick put her hands on me a couple times.

But in my mind, I thought like I was okay with it because it was only in times where I got caught. around. So I was just like, well, if I wouldn't have been out here on bullshit, I probably wouldn't have got, do you know what I'm saying? Most women are horrible people, dog. Most women are horrible fighters, which is why we let them get away with it. It's because if my girl punched me in the face as hard as she wants, realistically, it's probably not even going to leave a mark unless she, like, really connects with the eye socket or something, you know, like, spit on you. Well, but I can spit on her. It's not going to, like, damage her. You know, it's really just all about just disrespecting them when you're

spit, right, right, right. Not that I would ever take part of that. It's not bad. Her breath is, like, if you. Not bad or breath is, Louie in your eye. Yeah, like to be honest, I think, though, like, you kind of hit the nail on the head earlier, like a lot of people, like, that's their love language, because that's how they were raised. They don't, they weren't taught communication methods and things like that. So physical, physical tats. And that's like an expression of love in their eyes. So for me, I think I have. have like me having that understanding

I was probably more tolerant than I should have been in certain instances. Definitely. Yeah. I really like suggested that you had no self-respect at a certain point. Like how does he just keep letting this happen? And then he's coming on the podcast

and he's lying and telling stories about oh, these Mexicans were fighting in the park and I tried to break it up. And one of them slugged me and shit and it's like we all are sitting there like uh-huh. Yeah. Okay.

It wasn't the girl. I've been abused by a woman. I've been beaten the fuck out of you for the last couple months. It's okay. No, once I'm like making up excuses, like battered housewives, like, oh, like, I was trying to clean up the dog shit and the pooper scooper fell out the sky and gave me a black eye.

I fell down a flat of stairs. Yeah, yeah, literally. Like, I fell up a flight of stairs. That's why I have a black eye. Wait, that doesn't be rude. I've been in that situation so I can relate. It's very embarrassing. You don't want to tell people.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, also, like, you have a protective instinct, too. Yeah. Yeah. Beyond that, it's like, yo, like, like, it's damn near. It's like, you don't want to snitch. on your crimey.

Right. But I don't really see how I could be in a relationship with a woman who was really doing damage on me because before I get my ass beat by her, I'm going to beat her ass. Right. Like I was just like if if I was in a relationship with a woman and she punched me as hard as she could in the face, I can't help but think that like my animal instincts would just make me punch her pretty hard as like in the face as well. Like I feel like and then boom, the cops get called and I'm going to change.

But add this caveat to it though. What if you got caught? So what if she catches you in the actor? I don't care. And then that's my seat. I kind of earned this. Like I, yeah, she wasn't to hit me.

There's nothing to that for sure. She was getting mad over legit things. Right. I say like 90% of the time I was on bullshit. Right. It was, you weren't cheating, though. No, it was a bit of a crass reaction or harsh reaction.

She got super mad at the 20v1. That didn't even happen just because you promoted. You were already broke. Oh, right, right. Okay. Yeah, there is a. We did a 20 versus one with an extremely famous. star Adriana Chechick and he was on it and I don't know if some people know this but sometimes

20 versus ones can be rehearsed and faked and you know lush comes in and she's kind of hamming it up a little bit acting attracted to him but really if we were to go watch your performance on that it's it's nothing but I went on there the first thing I said is like yo I might have SDDs I smoke cigarettes and I'm an alcoholic like I literally was trying to get eliminated and then Adam thought it was funny so he's like no like make him like rap do that have a freestyle about you did so she attacked you over that yeah no like literally bro

I came home and the door was like the extra lock was on the door so like just like to track you know like predatory tracking surveying my movements and then as soon as I open that door bow upside my head oh wow you feel me and you didn't fight back

did you ever fight back casamigos I'm sorry the cranium oh really bro house of the homies spank. No, did I ever, look, is, okay, when you were talking about, did that instinct kick in, that instinct is like survival instinct, like stop hurting me. Once, like, the threat is subdued, I wasn't, like, trying to get my get back on a

five foot two Guatemalan. If the threat is actually genuinely subdued, but also, like, a lot of times, the best way to make sure that you don't incur more damage would be to show them, like, hey, I'm going to hit you back. The cold part is like she's been in other relationships that were abusive and I wasn't gonna That's the problem is all these Mexicans are letting her do that shit

I wasn't trying to Perpetuate those patterns Did you think about going and beating her after Wack Exposed that she was his friend? Why would like why would I give a about what first of all wasn't true And why would I give a fuck about what my bitch does After we're not together no more

Everybody gives it We all care Not really. Like sometimes you're like happy about it. You're like, take her off my hands. Nah, I'd be gone crazy. I wouldn't even given that any reaction. The reason why I did was more like, whoa. I kind of, I feel like what Brick Baby was going through.

People are going to go to do whatever they can to try to attach themselves to this motion because I got a name. So whatever you got to do, you feel me? So I'm more like, damn. And I'm more looking at my bitch like, oh, you stupidest f***. You feel like me? like to even allow this to happen, allow this conversation to exist because now somebody else is entering the chat that would have no business being there.

Do I give a fuck about someone on her? No, I hope she's happy. I wish her the most orgasms. We're not together anymore. I'm doing me. She could do her. I had an ex-girlfriend that I dated for two years when I was younger, when I was like 22 or whatever.

And she would like try to upset me by hitting me up periodically because I like dumped her in a pretty dramatic way, like really hurt her feelings and, like, fuck her up by leaving her. And she would hit me up anytime she did some whore shit and just tell me.

Like the first time that she let a guy in the ass, she just like, straight up, text me, tells me all about it. Just to make me mad.

And, like, even like, I remember after we've been broken up for like a month or two, she told me like, so I've had sex with 23 guys since we broke up. And she wasn't lying.

I knew some of them. Some of them were guys that was like hanging out with the bar and shit. It was pretty awkward for me. And she wasn't lying. That didn't piss you out. No, it did.

It made me super mad. But also, like, I wanted to be free of her. That I, like, she was telling me this stuff. And then in the same breath, would basically be like, so if you're so mad about it, why don't you come over her fucking me right now. But I was so determined to get out of the relationship that even though I, I'm, like, I have a thing where the bigger a whore she is, the more turned on I am by it. So when she's trying to upset me by telling me that she's 23 words in two months,

I'm literally like reading this. the text message with a throbbing owner. Like, oh my god, this fucking pig. Yeah. Is that weird? She had bitch with a tiger or I'm weird because like my last relationship, the last serious one we broke up like a year ago,

a year and a half ago, whatever. Like I had like with envision because I had heard because she was from Sacramento, I had heard that she was fuck with somebody that I knew. And the thought of that shit was driving me just because I would not want to, but I would just envision her. And I'd be like, I would be losing my shit. see his ass in the vision? No.

Wait, but okay. Let's say she left me and she tells me some shit like that. Or even if I just like knew about her a guy or two, I would have been hurt. I would have been sad. I would have been upset. But because I wanted to be free of the relationship so bad, I was actually kind of hyped because I'm like, listen, if you've 23 guys since we were together, to me, that really tells me that like, you're putting a lot of space between this.

Like, I'm, I'm free. I have to do a lot to get over this. Yeah, yeah. So we had different mind states. No, but don't wait. There's, there's ex-ism. I have ex-bitches. I wouldn't give a fuck if they're getting blow-bangged right now.

Like, literally, I don't give a fuck. And then there's others I still, like, have a degree of affection for it. But I still really wouldn't. I feel like once you're out of that sequence and there's no reason to really give a-up. But yet, my ex still is hopping in Instagram comments of random bitches she thinks want to fuck me in threatening them. So for someone. when that's so over shit, like, I don't even know.

Clearly, she's at a level of derangement that nobody else can compare to. She should be imprisoned and or deported. Do you feel like it's really over now? Do I mean, do I feel like it's over now? Like, we're not together. But, like, that's the thing. That's been my friend for a long-ass-on, like, through multiple relationships and shit. She's going to, like, always be in my life in some capacity.

Would you let public perception, all sway if you got like would you ever let that stop be like man my folks going to look at me like I'm a weenie if I get back if I if I gave a fuck about that I wouldn't have gone with her to begin with got you feel me because she had out there and stuff just like both of us

have a lot of baggage she banged like be real probably or like both of us have baggage you feel like just as long as it wasn't DJ Moogh I almost said that and I'm like DJ Moog's not like recognizable of us so in my mind I pivoted to be

Now I'm not a joke of me. I imagine the my Eskimo brothers would have. You know what's crazy about that? You probably don't feel it this way, but this is probably she's trying to destroy you. But people don't look at it like that. She's literally hitting up me and Josh and telling us

like telling us that you're smoking fentanyl. She sent us videos of her going around the house and showing us like a bunch of like used up drug paraphernalia. Like that's what she was doing. She told me, Jackie say it wasn't me. She told me you guys used to go fishing at MacArthur Park. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Deep sea diving. Deep sea diving with the icicles. Carved a little circle. Not germ actually is a great person. Oh, my God, bro. No, she is. That's her name? Germ.

And yes, she has them. I think it's free. No. But I think that I just did not bring out the best in her. and it was just a combustible relationship. You need to be you have a delicate woman who will not beat you. I definitely think that the love language that I respond to is a little bit less violent. That would be good.

You know what I mean? I think that's like more conducive to my growth. But I also understand that like I'm very aggravating. So, you know, it is what it is. But I don't want to like perpetuate this negativity. You say you understand that you're very aggravating? Yeah. Because she's convinced him that.

She told you that. My bad. I mean, He's convinced him he doesn't deserve any better than her. Don't do you get a matter to the field technique? Huh? The field technique. What's that? So it's psychological torture.

A lot of bitches use, especially like pretty bitches. So it's an acronym P-H-I-L. The P is for, what the F-S-T stands for? The P is for, God damn it, I just had it, I went blank. You want to look it up? No. Not punitive. It'll come back to me in a second.

But it's basically how bad bitches get dudes and shit. Like they use this technique to hook you. You know what I mean? So now it's called Instagram. Yeah. So they just basically use guilt. I can't think of what the acronym. Phil is for.

The P is for. God damn it. I'll come back to it later. Essentially they manipulate the thing. Yeah. But basically they attach hooks to the things that you do. So they'll use your word against you. So like if you say, hey, baby, we're going to go to Disneyland later on.

I'll pick you up at five. And then something happens at no jumper. You don't get there until 6.30. Instead of just understanding the situation, she'll just rise you. Well, you said you would be here by six. And if you loved me, you would be here by six. I mean, by five. You get what I'm saying?

So it's just a hook that they use to get you. And a lot of times chicks deal with guys that they're smarter than and they use this technique. But I f*** had a brain fart and can't remember all the words in the acronym. Well, she's definitely significantly smarter than me, but the bar set pretty low there. What the fuck are you talking about? You're like, you've said yourself that you're the smartest person or jumpers. You have clearly, like, as much as you are a in many ways, you are like something akin to a genius in some ways. Yeah.

You're like Rain Man. Like the guy from Lutang. You got it? Oh, he found it. He found his acronym. So the P is for protector. So they'll put themselves in a lot of situations where you have to protect. where you have to protect her.

Like, it'll be some shit like, yeah, I'm having a lot of trouble with my boss at work. He's always asking me to do things. I don't know how to f***ing I'm going to do it. I think he likes me. I think he's like he's almost harassing me. They're always in these situations where when they tell you about them, it's prompting you to want to protect her. And it's on purpose. It sounds a little bit familiar so far.

Right, right. The age is for hero. So once they get you on the hook for trying to protect them, then they say things to prompt you to want to step in and be the hero. You know what I mean? My boss is giving me less hours because I won't. I don't know how the fuck I'm going to pay my rent. You know what I mean? So now she's low-key prompting

you to want to step in and f- It's a K-ball. Right, right. The I is for integrity. So the integrity part is well, you know, they'll start using your word against you, like I said earlier. When you said you love me, if you love me, you would do this. You don't really love me. You don't really

care about me. If you did, you would do what you said you would do. And the L is love and they lock it in with the love. But it's called the field technique. A lot of bad bitches and I've dealt with a lot of bad bitches. They all use this shit. Guess what? The ugly ones are doing.

Yeah, the ugly ones too. Yeah, I would know. The tortas of since adopted this behavior. Because they're the weakest sex, right? The weaker sex physically, not mentally. They're smarter than us. But imagine being the weakest nigger in your crew. And imagine being a scrawny dude and all your crew is big ass six five,

300 pound monsters. How are you going to get these niggas to do what you want them to do? Statistically, I don't think they're smarter than us. You don't? In what way, though? And everyone? You know, when you look at like almost any field that requires like immense knowledge and education, that men typically rule those fields.

And I can see that. Also, aren't they kind of, like, restricted from a lot of education for, like, hell of centuries and stuff? Not in any of our lifetimes. So do you think that men are better at getting their way from the opposite sex than women because I feel like they get their way with us they get their way with us more than we get our way with them in general I don't know if I would agree with that I feel like if anything that men seem like they're way better at manipulation and coercion which are kind of like key components

of getting your way and like you know I know it's like a sample size this is anecdotal but I'm always watching those jubilee debates where they'll do the 20 versus one basically where they have like one person surrounded by people. And I don't know if it's just like smart women want to do other things with their time. But I'm always kind of astounded by the fact that the women are always like noticeably like 20 IQ points lower than the dudes. Right, right. Like it really stands out to me a lot and it really like makes me. But I also, okay, I feel like, Jubilee debates can't be the barometer.

Okay. But when it comes to debating, when it comes to like this sort of like, fierce conversational. Like debating, once it gets to like a really extreme degree, it's basically like a sport. And when it comes to like, you know, a strategy games or whatever, like I play poker.

Poker is like almost every great poker players are dude. You know? 95% of the people who play the game in the first place are dudes, but then when you really look at the upper echelon, it's probably even more. It's probably like 99%. Except for that one girl that cheated with the thing in her butthole or whatever? She,

that is so not even close to what happened. But also she sucks. She's the home girl, but she doesn't know what the hell she's doing. But like chess, you could say the same thing. I'm, like, pretty into, like, scrabble, scrabble, like, everyone who's good as a dude. Like, when it comes to, like, applying yourself and, like, taking something so serious that you make it, like, your identity, feel like men gravitate towards those. So even if women could have, like, an average higher IQ, because, let's be real, also, a lot of dudes are so stupid that they could barely get out of bed in the morning. But I think like men's intelligence tends to be more polarized, like idiots and geniuses, whereas like the average woman veers more towards the middle of the graph.

That's like what I've read in the past. I see your point. But I see bitches are dumb as fucking. But I do think women are more manipulative than men, though. So women speak fallacy, bro. They don't speak logic. They speak fallacy. And they get men to accept it.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And so like when you argue with a woman, right, there's many fallacies, but one is called an ad homonym. And that's when instead of sticking to the point that you're arguing about, you talk about the faults in the other person. You get what I'm saying? And us being smarter, we actually buy into this shit. Right. Like if I'm right about the toes being burnt, what the fuck does it have to do with me fucking the bitch to you?

It's two separate conversations. The average woman will rely on all of the fallacies of like bad arguing. like so consistently, like anytime you argue with a woman, you will try to speak about like the average person, the average person does this, and they will always respond to you with some anecdote that they think disproves what you're saying. And then you have to explain,

I'm not saying that everybody does this. I'm just saying that on average, even this conversation right here, like the average woman would be listening to this, I think, and they would probably be like, well, I know a woman who's really, really smart. And I'm like, okay, well, that doesn't really change

fact that I'm saying that the average one is like this and like you just have to explain that multiple times anytime you argue with a woman it is stunning do you do you think that um do you equate like the ability to be manipulative and like in a superior manner is that what intelligence is defined by more than anything i don't even really think that women are like better at manipulating than men it's no they're not the reality is is that women have their sexuality that they can weaponize and use against you and we are essentially powerless to it. Well, they have to, we're all used to that. They have to manipulate to be in the game.

Yeah, they do. For sure. Yeah. They have no choice. But then also think about this, how many female cult leaders are there? Barely. Barely. But how many of the followers?

How many people are cold followers? Tons, yes. Same. Because they speak. Fallacy. That's what they speak. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm going to get tested. Yeah, you can't spell fallacy without fallace, bitch. That's some funny shit. I'm not making it out like I just actually think all women are. I just think that like if you have a woman in your life, you have to like enroll them in college. You have to like, listen, like I'm going to work. You can raise the kids, but you're also going to have to go to Harvard

in order to compete with me. Most definitely. Mentally. Or don't compete and just be like, yeah. For show. Hey, I wanted to ask you this, Craig, because, you know, Adam is taking a serious interest in possibly doing stand-up. You, I think, are making it sound like it's more serious than it actually is.

I'm trying to give him there. I want to give him. What advice would you give him into starting stand-up, and how can he get off offensive jokes without coming off offensive? Oh, man, that's a great question. For somebody like Adam, see, I started comedy at 27. I started late. I don't know how old you are, but...

42. So you have an advantage because people already kind of know how you think and you got a lot of content out there. So my advice would be write jokes from the content you've created. Don't like, you know, especially shit that's more personal to your personal life. Because if you figure out how to just talk about your life and make it funny, then it's going to come easy to you. You know what I'm saying? But if you try to be funny, it's not going to be. It's not going to be.

Just talk about your life. And don't worry about laughs because people laughing doesn't mean something that's funny. it's really about being understood and having a point of view like a solid point of view on a topic even if it's something that people would disagree with or agree, it doesn't matter, just as long as they feel a certain way

because really telling jokes, being a comedian is really an argument. It's really you trying to prove your point to somebody. And then the funniest secondary. So let me ask you this though. I'm always interested in the creative process because his question was based on a lie, which is that I'm like thinking

about getting into stand-up comedy, which is not sure. But what is your, like creative process like in terms of writing down jokes like do you stick to a schedule of any sort i mean yeah when i have time i do but it comes from conversation like this okay comes from life i get out and like try to experience things um me being an emce first so i'm really good with bars so i may just write a funny uh roast here and there and leave it and then come back and like reverse engineer into that you know i'm saying um and then podcasting is a part of it once i have

idea I like. I try to see if I can talk about it like we're doing for a couple hours. If I can talk about it for a couple hours, then I go back and watch it. I'll condense it. You know what I mean? And then I go to the open mics. I work it that way. So, and then I just build it that way. And that's where you would have a good advantage over a lot of comedians in the game because you podcast 20, 30 hours a week. So you talk so much about things. That's why I, maybe I am pushing him into something that he doesn't want to. But I think, I think he'll be good because he actually makes me laugh. He made an interesting point, though, about like the audience already kind of being familiar with you,

which will kind of lubricate them just to be... I think it'll probably have the opposite effect, because I'm like so polarizing. A lot of people hate me in our... That's good. That's good. That's good. You want them to feel something.

Fuck these bs, man. As long as you can get them to understand why you say shit, the shit you say, eventually they're going to be like he's the greatest. I think that Doeboy thinks that I want to get on stage at a comedy club and say,

Well, you know the thing about black people. White people are violent, right? They're violent. They're more violent than white people. Let me tell you all about it. These guys on the podcast are in a gang. That's some funny shit. One of my podcasts co-hosts, you pulled out a gun on the other one the other day.

You gotta stop saying. Never happened. No, that's like just a sin. I just like cook that up. That's a fake scenario. Gotcha, gotcha. Craig, I'm very curious about this. What are your thoughts on?

on the blowing up and now like seeming implosion of the Rogan sphere, you being like a comedian. This implosion is overstated, right? Like, what is the implosion? Yeah, I don't know what's super well. Well, I mean, like, you, you just see these American redacted or whatever these commentary channels are who all want to push this narrative that the Rogan sphere is over. Okay.

I think it has been overstated, right? So, no, what are your thoughts just overall on the fact that this was like a whole brand new avenue in comedy that kind of was that that Joe Rogan created and there's like this whole scene that kind of exists outside of traditional comedy. Right. And a lot of these people didn't get their chops in the same way, just like you did. So I think they're amongst the most successful in the world right now. Yeah, I think it's needed, man, because, you know, good comedians, whatever you're supposed to

say, you say the opposite. That's what a good comedian does. It's not about like being agreeable. and having everybody like me. It's about like, what are you saying? Like, what does your comedy say? What's the message behind who you are and why the you say what you say? So the fact that Joe Rogan was able to be successful, should I applaud it?

I don't agree with all the shit that some of the cast say, but I mean, it's free speech. I don't give a, you know what I mean? It is what it is. So hopefully it doesn't implode any further. We need more sleeper cells of counterculture communities that people that say what they want to say. on for that. So I hope it doesn't blow all the way up. You want to like, would you perform in Austin at those kids? Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I like, you know, I mean, everybody was tripping on the Kevin Hart Rose. I wanted to get your thoughts on that. What were your thoughts about that? Because now he's getting a lot of backlash because he came out and said, hey man, I didn't know what everybody was going to say, I didn't have no control over these jokes. I couldn't take nothing out then they found out, yeah, you did.

You took out 18 jokes, but you left in some other jokes that were kind of offensive. What were your, what's your take on that? But it seems like the jokes that were removed were not removed because of things that Kevin Hart would have wanted removed. When we looked up what jokes were removed, which I forget if we did that in front of you, it was like some stuff about Trump and Melania.

Some short jokes. Which doesn't really seem like something that he would have cared about. And then the short joke is like maybe they removed that because it was repetitive or something. You got to imagine that's like the thing that Kevin Hart is the least sensitive about. He's been hearing it since he was 10. This is for sure like the edgiest thing I remember.

Right. Yeah. How do you feel about some of the jokes that was even said on it? You feel like some of the people cross the line? Man, here's the thing, man. Cross the line as much as you want. If it's funny, I don't give a fuck. But the glaring thing is like, and I hate to speak on it,

but like white comedians don't have to be as funny as black comedians. So you get certain white comedians that blow up and get to this catastrophic level and they're talented. But it's a nigga tap dancing playing the saxophone, building tents and managing 10 kids. and doing comedy and he can't get a shot. So when I see shit like that, it doesn't bother me,

but it just reminds me that damn, this shit is really political. Because even the host, he's one of the funniest dudes out here, but to me, it didn't make sense him hosting the Kevin Hart shit. Yeah, but like literally what you're talking about

is perpetuated to the umpteenth degree by that whole Rogan sphere scene. That's like everything that we just, that you just described, but magnified even further. Yeah, yes, I mean,

and the thing is you got to, the thing is the current, right? So it's all about being in the right place at the right time. So if you just happen to be an okay comedian and you get involved with the right movement, then it's the movement that blows you, you know? So it's like, you know, those politics are difficult. You know what I mean?

Because, like you said, there's people out here that can do way more than what we can do that have nothing, you know what I mean? So in the, in the Rogan, I'm sorry, in the Kevin Hart roast, I answered the question. I felt like it was a gray roast. I felt like the gay jokes were a little bit more like

disrespectful to me than the black jokes What? Really? Like the rock That was a gay man? If I was gay, my boyfriend would be here. If I was gay, I was a Chippendale's dance right now.

He kept talking about Kevin's girl and you know what I mean. I thought that was kind of like that was kind of hacky, surfacy, level shit, you know what about when I was out while and out the other day, we were all there episodes Lush, she was in a K-hole. But we, we,

DDG, his joke, he only, I think, got off like one or two jokes on Nick Canaan, but one of them was basically like your baby mothers are all whores. Right, see, that's hacky. That did stand out to me. It's like, wow, I feel like if there is a line, that kind of crossed the line.

I don't know, though. Isn't it kind of how you say it half the time? Well, I think it just crosses from trying to be funny to just being mean. It's like, nigga this shit you with a joke, but that bitch is a slut. Like, that's not funny at all. To be fair, it was like the rapping part. So it's like, you know, I feel like the standard is lower when you're rapping the bars

because part of the humor is the fact that, oh, they just rhymed those two things together. And that's kind of funny because like the actual bar we were looking on paper would be like something, something, something store, blah, blah, blah. Your baby mamas were all horrors. It's like if that was just a joke and it wasn't forced to rhyme as like the rap thing, then nobody would even considered it even sort of a joke but you put it over a beat and rap to it is you know it's kind of kind of lit well not all fake though man because all this shit seems so rehearsed now that i've actually been in the it's not rehearsed it's all improv

you know what i just got my dick back lovable loser oh yeah i'm gonna wait wait can i i wanted to read the rest of those archetypes this was i was really into this before all right the neurotic anxious, tightly wound, and worried. They demand that things are done their way and often use manipulation to control their environment. Who does that sound like? Josh?

Josh can't laugh at me too? He's not really like an on-camera personality. Not Josh is part of the shit, though. Like, that's Josh. Oh, okay. The dumb one, naive and oblivious. They often misunderstand situations literally and provide comic relief through pure simplicity. Who's the...

There's I mean there's a few pretty obvious examples. He quit three years ago. I was even thinking about him. That's funny as fucked up. I'm trying to think. Who's like the morons among us? Who is the morons here? I mean, it's hard to.

Really? Is it true? Morons among us. If it's me, then we're doomed. Who is it? I don't want to say it. Because it's mean. It's cool if you don't say because I agree that is super.

Yeah, it's mean. I'm not going to say. We know, we all know who it is. Tell me off camera. No, like you know. Like you know who it is. Like, is for sure the dumbest person you know. It's not really jumping out to me.

Here in the, no. Chat. Who are you? Who do you all think? Chat. Who's the dumbest? Let him know. Who's the dumbest?

Let him know. Anyways. You should just say it at this point. No, because it seems so mean. Because they'll for she and though for sure hurt me really bad. All right. All right. Okay.

The bitch slash bastard. Selfish, cynical, and highly critical. They use their, this sounds like me too. They use their sharp tongue and wit to point out others' flaws often making biting remarks. Yeah, I can see, I see some of you in that. Yeah. Oh, T. rel was the dumb one you're saying? Well, I think that's the chat is suggesting.

No, I think the bastard is T.R.L. more like that. He's like had the snarky remarks and contrarian. But he's combined now with the dumb, the dumb part too. But I feel like it would be like not, it would be like purposely oblivious to try to like ignore. He's not really dumb, but you play dumb for the situation sometimes. Okay, and then you have the womanizer slash mananizer, which, or manizer is the word that they wrote, which doesn't seem like it should be a word. And it says, superficial and overly fixated on sex or short-term romance.

They're incredibly confident in their pursuit of partners. Now, I will say, obviously, I'm probably the most openly horny person, but I'm not like seeking out additional relationships. I don't feel like that's like a big part of my character. I was going to say he's a brick baby. Oh no, but that is, that sounds actually a lot like sharp. That sounds like sharp. Sharp fits that one anyway. It's like sharp that I could think of, okay, the materialistic one, spoiled entitled

and immature, they focus heavily on wealth, status, and luxury often whining when they don't get what they want. I don't know that we have anyone. I don't know if we have no real materialistic. We're all too broke. I feel like that would not play terribly well in this. Right. I feel like I'm super materialistic, but I don't.

just don't like have the means right to get the right yeah the mind of a materialist time I would have day I don't have money it just I got timing issue in their own universe quirky spacey and disconnected from reality these characters marched to the beat of their own drum I don't know that we have that Ricky but that is this is like very useful to me because I feel like anyone that we like thought about bringing on the channel we could kind of like put them into these categories, these baskets. You did. Yeah, because it creates conflict. It creates conflict.

Right. Yeah, so, you know. But so do you want, do you not want more than one of each person on a podcast? Well, as the host, you can kind of morph into whatever it is you need to do to make this shit go. Boom. But if you have people who have those qualities, it's going to create the next, because this is for TV. Right. This is character archetypes for TV writing. I mean, this goes all back to. of vaudeville, right? Yeah, right.

But if you got four people on a pod, you don't want three lovable losers. It's all about the whole. Right, right. You got to have a mix of a pool. A magic Johnson type dude that, oh, these two are, right.

Let me do this for the joke. Right. You get what I'm saying? Like, look at the Ninja Turtles. They had very clear defined personalities. You know what I mean? Like, Leonardo was like a leader. Michelangelo was hell of goofy.

Yeah, dude. Yeah. Donatello was hell as smart. And Robbill was all aggressive. And those archetypes are really, like, clearly defined in these dudes. Absolutely. A.k.a. the pinnacle of greatness in modern writing, the Ninja Turtles.

That was my shit. When one came out, I was excited. But Ninja Turtles, when I see the way that the boys in my daughter's school are still so fascinated by the Ninja Turtles, I'm like, whoever cooked that shit up really landed on something that is just so universal. You know, like, my kid will ask me questions about Ninja Turtle lore. Like she will ask me like how did the Ninja Turtles live in the sewer? Well that's great and I'm like I'm like in reality

Nobody would want to live in the sewer it's all pooping yucky stuff down there Like y'all was kids y'all didn't use to like try to like go to man Yeah, yeah yeah, hell yeah never yelling Donatello Never said I couldn't fit through the motherfuckers I didn't fit Oh somebody made me the AI video of dobo way halfway through the man the manhole. Pause.

Yeah. Well, look at us. Breaking down character. I'm going to be thinking about this a lot. I'm surprised it took me this long to be exposed to this. They got to show love to your loser, man. That's all the thing. Okay.

L. L. L.J. Yeah. L. L. yeah. But this is also, if you, like, look deep because we were talking about the Voddville character archetypes. And then it's just the different roles that people play in society, like the, the healer, the hero, the the gesture. Right.

Exactly. These are the same archetypes that are repeated in everyday life. Indeed. Plus in common, like if you're cooking at them or you're cooking in a situation and it's clearly your day, a real comedian is just going to support you in that moment. They're not going to try to chop you down and override you. You know, this nigga is hot. Let's make this.

Give it in a rock. Yeah. I do feel like no jumper more often than it has a different personality that might fit into one of these, but I'm not sure which, which is kind of like the gangster who talks about prison all the time. Right. That's materialistic. Because that has that's currency in society being tough. Okay.

You know what I mean? You know, and then also the fade is currency in prison. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's metaphoric too. It doesn't have to be literal like spot on. You can replace it with things that culturally make more sense in these scenarios. But also like this table, these microphones are a leveling factor where a lot of things like

physicality are out the window. Right. And that could be very frustrating to people who's like a huge part of their identity. Just to go fight. Right. You weren't thinking a Krip Mac as the dumb one, were you?

How'd I ever know? What are you thinking about Duna? No, he's a dumb one, but that's not disrespect. It's not disrespectful in the world of comedy. But he's our Chris Farley. Yeah, because he's fat. He's like, everything he does.

He's like kind of hilarious, like without even hearing a word he's saying. Just him moving around is funny. So he's the dumb one and he's also the, in your own universe. Oh, yeah. Yes, he's for sure the, yeah. And this is, remember, these are only for the, story aspect of whatever you're watching.

This doesn't mean it literally stupid. He's very smart. I'm not a loser. Yeah, for people to follow what's going on, this is how they're perceiving him because this is how they're trained to watch TV from years of watching TV. But also I feel like a doughboy,

I wish that you would have told us this shit beforehand because you're like educated in comedy. Like the way Craig broke it down, you would have been like, yo, by the way, kind of my thing is like, I say goofy shit and like I'm halfway series and it's funny. And I guess it took people a little while to figure that out. I kind of

already knew that, but I feel like it would have been a bit of a softer landing. Because like the Rick Ross, like, gangster persona and like, blood dope. I watched it, bro. I watched that episode. I'm sitting there with my glasses on and the grill. And they're gonna' keep calling me a bitch. Why are you calling

me a bitch? I ain't call you a bitch. Man, fuck this. I don't even how to talk to right. I didn't call you a bitch. I didn't call you a bitch. I didn't call you a bitch. I ain't call you a bitch. Are you going to call me a bitch again? You're going to keep calling me a bitch?

Why but keep not calling you a bitch? How about that, that, nigga? That was really, really funny without trying. I feel like I missed out on a lot in society. I feel like I missed out on a lot in society because last night I watched Patrick C.C.'s new video about Key and Peel, who I could have walked by them

on the street prior to yesterday. I wouldn't have known who they were. I never saw it prior to watching that documentary. I just had never been. exposed to it in any way. Like, and I was looking at it's like 2012. It was on there for like three years. Just never saw it.

You for sure know who Jordan Peel is. Yeah. Now, yeah. Like, but you like didn't know. I knew he was a director. Okay. I didn't really. That's crazy.

Yeah, I never got exposed to. Really? Yeah. You never seen Get Out or us? I actually found out about what Get Out is about last night. Watching this little... Such a dope movie. Yeah.

It sounded insane, which now I understand a little bit about why so many people like mentioned it. to me over the years, like, accused me of, like, being something from that show or something. Basically, it's just, like, a complicated way of calling me a racist. You know, a lot of black people really think you work for the CIA. Be careful, man, I'm telling you. Jay Hover is his uncle. Like, man, I don't know about it.

And it doesn't help that my family actually, like, worked in politics. Yeah, yeah. And, like, but then I did, like, people always would tell me that my dad was, like, a Mason, a Freemason, whatever. And then my dad, as he came on the podcast, And it was like unbelievably obvious that he was not a Freemason. And somehow that didn't really like stop any of these. I think the last name thing kind of throws that off of it. Yeah, yeah.

I just have like a cool last name, yeah. Even though really it's just like a French last name that means big house. For sure. Really doesn't designate you being part of the Illuminati because you have a last name like that. It means that you're at the Bohemian Grove. Does the white ouminati have to get, do they have to fuck you in the ass? Because all black people do they make it. You're not getting away from the ass sex.

It's all Illuminati is doing. It's got to happen. I was penetrated. So I was wondering, so how long have you been on Corey Hocom's podcast and like what is, how would you describe your role on that? So I'm just a co-host. Okay. No, Cory Hocom is a legendary comedian, you know.

Man, he pretty much is like counterculture at his peak. You know, whatever you're supposed to say, he doesn't say it. So I've been with Corey on his show for about six. seven years. You know, we met at the improv. One of the traditions in comedy, we all go to the Hollywood Improv on Monday nights, and we just roast each other for hours.

Most of the time, we don't even go in the club. We just be outside murdering each other for hours. And that's how we met out of time. Yeah, that's fire. Yeah. Yeah, so that's how we met. He invited me on the show. And I've been co-hosting ever since. That's like his show.

You know, I'm just a co-host. I'm just like the voice of reason on the show, kind of. Okay. Yeah. Because I'm going to be honest with you, like I don't really think I knew who Corey Holcomb was until Flacco started making all these videos trying to attack. They have a really evil beef going to.

Corey, the type of guy where if you started, he's going to finish it. He don't give a fuck about, you know, about none of the bullshit. Who do you think is up in that beef? I ain't really been paying attention.

You know what I'm saying? Here's the thing. The 5150 world is we always got something going on. You know what I'm saying? So the shit that Flacco was saying. saying is just exaggerations and lies. You know what I mean? So like accusing somebody of being a PDF when that's not true. We say jokes and shit, but ain't nobody no PDF.

That's like the worst thing you can be. That's a murderable offense where I'm from. So to accuse somebody of that, not be in their face, not have no paperwork and just put it out there. To me, that's bitch-nigger behavior. Now, I don't know Flocko personally, but I'm just speaking on any guy that accuses somebody of something that heinous without paperwork. work, that's a problem.

I don't know that I actually tuned into the video in which he tried to paint that picture. Oh, he made a couple of them. It was a lot of it was like remarks. He is his commentary on remarks. Right. He was taking the content of things that he said and this kind of painting. Switching up the context. And that shit went crazy.

You know it went crazy. So, I mean, that's a political strategy. So in politics, they have this thing called context to me. That's when you take a fact and you spin a narrative around it and make it seem like it's something that it's really not. So he's taking a conversation like we're having today and taking one piece of it, extracting all the context from it,

and then creating his own context to go around it. And that shit went viral, but the shit is simply not true. Okay. You know what started that beat? Because I knew Corey from back in the day being funny as fucking that one roast. No, it was that All-Star weekend.

Yeah, yeah. And he just went crazy. He's drunk as hell, just unhinged. And he was just making fun of everything in sight. And that was one of my favorite, like, clips on the internet for years. Yeah, indeed. That's what I knew of him. He's one of the rare comedians that tours and sells out.

He has no ties to Hollywood as far as like he did. He's independent. So if he was a rapper, he would be like, uh, what's to do for Kansas City? Uh, tech nine. He'd be like tech nine. Well, he don't answer to nobody. Can't nobody tell me what the fuck to say. I do what the fuck I wanted.

And he really is having his own. You go on the road with him a lot? No, no. I got my own thing going over. Yeah. But like, okay, was it kind of, when the controversy hit this year, did that, like, how did that affect you? We're like, okay, this is my dog. I got to stand tall.

Like, what did that feel like? I mean, it was a lot of people saying crazy shit, you know what I mean? But I'm built for it. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, my resume speaks for itself, like, in the streets and with comedy. I mean, I got a long way to go comedically as far as this is a lifetime journey. But for me personally, like, I would never be sitting next to a PDF. You know what I mean?

like they wouldn't even be able to be comfortable around me. That's not even something. As you notice, he keeps sitting. I'll be quiet, don't wait. I went to a comedy show the other day, and it really, like, occurred to me that, like, if you want to take on this pursuit, you're pretty much taking it upon yourself to, like, stay out going to these clothes until, like, midnight, one in the morning, like, every night. That's early.

You have to make that part of your routine, pretty much. When you're working on your act, but if you, like, are somebody that's established, you could really have it your way. Like if you got a big fan base, you don't have to do shows at night. You can say all my shows are from 12 in the afternoon to 6 p.m. And then I'm out. You're doing what, it's your fan base. Okay.

These comedy clubs want to sell food and drinks. So if this is when you, if they can use your audience to sell food and drinks, you dictate what you want to do. You know what I'm saying? So that is all you think it kind of takes away from it when it's like these giant, like, arena stadiums. I said that about music too. Yeah.

I think, I think it's a disconnect. Because when I see people do stuff, I mean, as proud as I be in some of these cats, like, you know what I'm saying? Like even like when Kevin Hart was doing like football fields, I was just like, and you chime in how you feel about it. I just don't know how you can connect to 18,000 people. Like, you know what I'm saying? Way more than that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You're sitting in the middle and it's 360.

Normally when you're doing comedy, it's front facing. You can see everything in front of you. I don't, I mean, I'm not, I look up to it for the accomplishment of it, but just on a technical standpoint, do you feel like it's a harder. connector to perform in front of that many people at once? I think so. I think so because, you know, comedy is an energy transference and shit. So if I'm in a smaller room and I'm murdering that room, that shit feels like power. It feels like you could actually do like an a dual kick.

What was that shit called? You throw the fireball. It feels like, am I tripping? You know, I'm not really. It feels like you can actually do that. Like you can feel humans power in a smaller room, you know? So, I mean, but, you know, to make that real money, nobody wants to do 100, 200 dates. Right.

What feels crazier, though, because you've been a rapper, what feels crazier that or being like this and then having all, like, thousands of people? What feels crazier? So I would say the joke thing feels crazier. How come? Because, you know, you can't hide behind the beat. You get me? So, you know, in our era, you could be an okay rapper, but if you had a drape beat, nigga, you were a f***. And a hook.

Yeah. We had the argument about what's harder to be great at, stand-up comedy or battle rap the other day on the podcast. and I noticed a few battle rap pages kind of clipping it and had in that argument. And one thing that I found kind of compelling that a person said was basically like, when you do a battle rap, you do that one time and you are never telling those jokes again. That is the end of it right there. And then meanwhile, in stand-up, you're working on the same set over and over and over a year. By doing hundreds of times, right?

So that is one thing that really, like, everything is on the line in the battle rap world, Whereas like you're doing your set at a club and comedy, you know, the consequences of you having a bad night are pretty low. You can't have a bad night. It's like comparing a dunk contest to an actual game. Battlewrap is like a dunk contest. You've got two Vince Carter doing amazingly verbally acrobatic shit. That's a talent in itself.

But to do comedy for an hour and a half and have a linear thought and take people on a journey is the hardest thing to do in entertainment. There's nothing, in my opinion. that with that. I was falling on the side of battle rap because I've seen both, I've done both, and just the memorization

of not only the raps but the act, so I'm just talking about just like in a soul, just in a soul performance. One is doing stand-up, one is doing stand-up comedy. Like, as a stand-up comedian,

I know, I know these jokes, I've done it before, I'm comfortable if I need to go off page, I can go off page, I'm cool, whatever. With this other thing, it's just like, like you were saying, like you got this one time to get it right.

You don't get to do it again. You're not going to be able to say this to another rapper. If you repeat a line, you know, it's a carnal saying. You replace some shit. And don't fuck around and forget a line and just wait like three seconds. Oh, he's choking. Comedians got pressure. You can't bite.

Like, you don't want to get all of that. All of that. You know, filmy, Carlos Mencied and all that. All of that shit. There's heavy pressure for comedians too. But out hazard to say that what Craig was referring to, like a 90-minute set where you own the world, Chappelle type shit, whatever. that is like that is such a high level to get to

and in order to achieve that the only real comparison in battle rap would be like the loaded luxes yeah mooks or disasters of the world which in essence are doing the exact same thing that you describe connecting coherent ideas for like this with the added pressure of somebody tearing them down right in their face I mean that shit is a test yeah you know what I mean

it's really difficult to say I think the deciding factor too is like who are you I can hear you rap for every day, and I still don't know who you are as a person. So as a comedian, all great comedians, they let you into who they are at their most vulnerable space. So no battle rappers are going to get up there and be like, I was molested.

My uncle f***ed me, and I still came up here and killed you like Chucky. You get what I'm saying? Everything is about cool. Me being a rapper and a comedian, I understand that there's some weird delusion in rap where niggas feel like they have to be cool. Well, the way that is framed.

And that shit is, it's not, I don't mean to cut you off. And that's just not corny because it's necessary for the culture, but that's something that won't make you a good comedian. And so to be uncool and make people laugh at your uncool for an hour and a half, to me, is like, that's some hard shit to do. The way that is framed in battle rap when they don't want to look, like, seem like they're uncool, but still be vulnerable is. how hard they had it growing up.

Right, right, right. Like, I had to, like, I never had, like, a cereal bowl. We had to just, like, cut the carton and half. Right. And everybody has guns, but no gun license. Like, where's your license, right? Oh, man, that's real. Yo, so shout out to Craig Smith for coming on here, man.

I'm glad we got to connect and everything. Much respect, bro. Dude, hilarious, man. And gave us a little bit more of a perspective on Do Boy and his unique blend of and comedy, which we've all kind of been in awe of the past few months. Shout to you guys. We will be back at 4 o'clock for the No Jumbers show live with some new characters. So make sure you guys tune in.

Also, the Edgars are eating McDonald's just so everybody knows. They're not going to starve. They've got their neurotoxins on deck. I think chicken nuggets, huh? What'd you get? What's your order? Chicken sandwich. I would have respected you more if you got a Big Mac.

but yeah shout out to Craig shout out love shout out doughboy this is a good one appreciate you all smack the like button and we out