No Jumper - Krayzie Bone on Shooting Wish Bone, Forming Bone Thugs, Migos & 21 Savage Beef & More

Episode Date: October 28, 2019

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today, I'm doing an interview. I never thought I would do. I'm going to be honest with you, I've been listening to Bone Thugs since I was like 10 years old or some shit. Never really even thought about the fact that I would one day get to meet one of the minds

behind some of the most, I don't know, influential stuff I was listening to as a kid. Yes, indeed. Crazy Bone in the building. How you doing? I'm good, Ben, how you doing? Great to have you here, man. People have been talking about you. Past couple days in particular.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. crazy stories going around. Yeah, man, a lot of crazy stories. So I'm hearing. Is it okay if we sort of dive into that just to start? I do want to talk about just the overall musical legacy and everything. But right now, people are talking about you because they're like, damn, fucking sounds like a crazy person.

You're just shooting the homie by accident? You cheddar bob the homie or what? Man, no, man. It was, you know, it was some of the dark days in our past. You know, we was actually out doing some things you weren't supposed to be. doing. Well, it sounds like it, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. You know, man, man, you know, we just,

we were just intoxicated. You know, whenever you got alcohol involved with firearms, you know, it can just be disastrous, you know, and that's just what it ended up being. You know, it was, it was crazy, though. Wow, that is the fucking, it was a savage story just because, what, you guys

were out just doing robberies? Was this just kind of like an average Friday night for you guys back then at that time? Man, what's so crazy to see, wish actually amped everything up you know what I'm saying because me lazy and busy you we was of a busy father house you know we was eating dinner you know and wish come over there drunk talking about you know I'm getting ready to go to let's go out let's let's let's let's let's let's go to jail tomorrow you know what I'm saying so we all went out and us drinking

turned into us robbing people and all kind of stuff man man you know what I'm saying day just got out of hand you know just so happened It was a carjack, and so just so happened, the dude, we had a 12 gauge with one shell in there. And we was doing all our dirt with a 12 gauge of one shell, all our dirt, you know what I'm saying? So when we got the first victim for the van, robbing for the van. And this is totally random? These are just people you're just seeing out in the about. Yeah.

You guys were wild. Totally random. You know, a dude was coming out, coming outside of a store or something. And, you know, we saw him. We jumped out the car, took his keys to his van. And when we got inside his van, he happened to have a box of 12-gauge shells. So, you know, that just took the level up a notch. You know what I'm saying?

Because we started loading the gun up, just busting out the window. Like, dude, I was, I told everybody, I felt like Tupac in the movie juice. Shooting out the window. Yeah. So y'all are really not worried about the cops. No, not at their point. Why we wouldn't? So you're making Ohio just sound like this completely lawless place.

Were you guys just in the total, total slums where pretty much anything went down and the cops just weren't coming around? Oh, yeah. We was in the, we was definitely in the hood. We was in several different neighborhoods, you know what I'm saying? But it was late night too, though. You know what I'm saying? So it was late night.

Yeah, man, we was violent that night. That was a crazy night for real. Because a lot of places, you know, if there's one shotgun shot into the air, that's like a reason enough for the cops to come. You guys were just riding around shooting. That was pretty wild then. Man, man, but you know, as crazy as it sounds, when he got shot, I'm thankful that it stopped there because we were heading to do something else that could have went terribly wrong. Right.

And he wasn't even in our right minds. You know what I'm saying? So that halted that whole situation that we were going to do. You know what I'm saying? Which is thankful because like I said, it could have went way worse than the did, you know, so thankful. it didn't go that far. Wow, crazy. I'm just going to take a quick break to send a shout out to our sponsor, Eagle Energy.

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Getting back into business here. So I'm just interested in, like, the timeline, because I'm just interested in, like, the timeline, I spent a lot of my childhood, like, really misguided about bone thugs where I think I thought you guys were just from the West Coast because you just were so closely associated with that. A lot of the sort of similar style of dress and stuff. You guys had a lot of the flannels and the braids and everything. So I'm like a 10-year-old just sort of confused about exactly where you guys were coming from. I'm interested in, like, timeline-wise. So did you graduate high school?

No, I didn't. Okay. But so how do you get from, like, you know, your childhood years to actually being sort of, like running the streets and doing stuff like what was described in that story. Like I'm just interested in exactly how long you were sort of in the streets living this life before the music stuff started to call you. Man, so we, we, I probably hit the streets about 16. You know, I was on the streets like doing, we was on the streets like doing what we was doing like about 16. 17, by the time I was 17, I was homeless on the street. So I was living on the streets.

So you didn't really have, like, a family unit that was... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. But, you know, the family wasn't the unit no more. It was broken. You know what I'm saying? What was it that broken? Was it just like divorced or was there drugs being done? Man, man, you know, the usual epidemic they hit in the 80s to get in the drugs, you know what I'm saying?

The crack cocaine. So that hit both of your parents? Oh, yeah. Really? It hit everybody's parents in the hood that I can remember. Wow. Everybody's parents, you know. and our whole thing.

So it was like, you know, the things that we saw, you know, because we went from having things to, like, not having things due to this epidemic, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, we vowed to each other to like, you know, man, when we get older, we're not going to never go down on this road. We're not going to never be like this. We're not going to never be in poverty like this, you know what I'm saying? We're going to do something with ourselves.

But in the meantime, we was on the streets just trying to figure everything out. Wow. So the other bone thugs members, though, like, did y'all click up at a very early stage in terms of, like, the actual criminal element? Or how did you guys sort of come together in terms of, like, running around doing this sort of thing? Well, man, when we, when I first met them, I met lazy and flesh first. I was actually going to junior high school named Franklin D. Roosevelt. and um they were uh i had a home economics class with lazy bone and i had an english class with fleshing bone and lazy used to do the beatbox my mother i was in a group with another dude named

k chill and we used to sit in the back of the class and like rap you know what i'm saying and when lazy came into the class when he got transferred into our class he started like supplying the beats with his mouth you know like doing the beatbox he was crazy with it right and then like i had english and Flesh did the same thing, but I didn't know they was brothers. So I got the bright idea to have these two dudes battle each other. Wow.

I was like, yo man, you should battle this dude just in my English class because he's dope with the BVox. So I set the whole thing up and then I brought him to my lunch period and then Flesh was like, man, that's my little brother. I was like, what? And they was like, yeah, man, that's my brother.

And then from ever since that point, we formed a group called the Band-A boys and we just started rocking in, um, rocking in school, like doing music and it's just spilt over into the streets and we just kept hanging and just got tighter and tighter and the bond never broke. So basically music was what initially created the bond, but then not being successful immediately with the music was what basically led you guys to be running around in the streets. Yeah, um, yeah, um, yeah, that and, uh, you know, when we got to hanging around each other, but we found that

that our grandparents had already knew each other and our parents knew each other. Right. You know, like, so, so we had been, like, around each other and not even knowing their life for some time.

So then, you know, we just started hanging like, I stayed over, like, lay in flesh house, or, you know, they would come over my house or whatnot, and, man, like I said, the bond just grew and as we grow, like I said, everybody, parents went through, like, something similar,

similar with that whole epidemic. Right. So, you know, that brought us closer. Right. That's what made us like, you know, we're never going to be like that. We're going to make sure we stay straight. We're going to keep our heads on straight and do this and do that. And, you know, that just brought us closer.

That just made the bond. And you were seeing a ton of people your age who were getting wrapped up in drugs? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody. Yeah. Everybody. Did none of you guys ever really got into a young age?

Like, nobody even tried it out, really? No. man, the furthest we went and it took us a long time. We used to actually think smoking marijuana was stupid. Really? Because we drank.

You know what I'm saying? So we was like, why do we go buy that little ass bag of weed when I go buy like 540 ounces with $20? You know what I'm saying? Well, did you know? More than that back then.

You got to put them together. Yeah, you know what I'm like, but we used to think it was stupid so we didn't really start smoking weed until I started smoking weed. like when I was 19. Yeah. Damn. So you said that you organized that battle.

What was hip-hop to you at that point? Were you just hearing rap on the radio? Did you have enough money that you could be going to the store and buying tapes and shit like that? How deep had your love affair with rap music gotten at that point? Man, I was a fanatic already. I knew every artist that was out, whether it was the East Coast, West Coast, the South wasn't even popping like that,

but I knew every Southern artist that was bubbling from the guttle boys to Point Blaine to Kay Rhino, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So I found I was a real student of hip hop, you know what I said? So I knew everything. Right. Were you reading the source? Man, I had a source.

I had word up. I had yo, I had spin, I had every black beat, everything. And it's crazy too because it's like, you know, you know, I had a source. too because it's like, I know because I grew up in fucking New Hampshire, that growing up in an area like that, you know, Ohio I would put in sort of a similar category where it's not like a real established hip-hop tradition. And it's like you guys were probably,

like the idea of being a successful rapper out of Ohio probably stood out to you as, we don't even know if it's possible. Nobody's really done this. Yeah, exactly. Man, we always knew that when somebody heard us that that had the power

to do something with us that we were going to get signed. We didn't know how long it was going to last, but we knew that once people heard us because people in Cleveland, they should tell us, they was like, man, after they finished sharing us rapping, they'd be like, yo, y'all is like broke millionaires right now.

As soon as somebody here, y'all, they're going to snatch y'all up. That's crazy, because normally, I feel like when you see an artist pop off, there's a period of time where nobody fucking believes in them, and it's so hard to sort of cross that barrier of people believing that it makes sense. But when you think about bone thugs and what you guys were bringing to the table, it really was

revolutionary in a lot of senses. It was way more musical and melodic than almost all rap music out at the time. Definitely. It was, you know, it was revolutionary. And people didn't even almost have, like, the language to explain what you guys were doing at that time. It almost probably seemed to you guys, like, this seems amazing, but we don't even know if the world's ready for it.

Man, no, no, because, uh, you know, I mean, we done a talent show one time in Cleveland. One of my dudes named Flossie Ross, he took us to a talent show. He was like, man, I want to take out to this talent show, man. Y'all are killing. And we actually went down there to the talent show, and we did, we did, we started off with Mr. Weezy. And then we tried to rap, and they were like, and we got gonged immediately. They was like, get that Oriano sound and shit out of here.

We don't want to hear that. Like, like, man, that dog does you know what I'm saying? And we got into a fight because of it afterwards and everything. It was wild. Wow. It was wild. That's hilarious. So when did you, I mean, I guess we could even put it in context of this.

You guys, what extents were you going to get your music heard? Like what exactly were you guys doing in terms of just trying to find any way to get acknowledged? What was the path at that time? Are you playing a lot of local shows or trying? Yeah, man, we was doing everything. We was doing everything local. any local show, which weren't that many in Cleveland, but any talent show or local show that we could find to get into,

you know, we hunted it down. You know, those are the days. We didn't have Internet, so we had to stay with our air glued to the radio station, mainly the college stations, because that's what you find out about all the talent shows and stuff like that, you know, and as soon as we heard about them, we, like, signed up. Like, we had to, you had to get up and physically go down to the spot and sign up, you know what I'm saying?

You had to, you know, you had the money to get there. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, it was crazy. Like, we, we was doing everything. And then we had met, we ran into so many people that sold us dreams in the city. You know what I'm saying? Like, they was like, yeah, we're going to do this for you. Right.

who on the record store called Diles Rapid Creations in East Cleveland. And he signed us to an independent deal. Well, I really don't know what kind of deal it was. We never saw nobody from it. Some bullshit deal. Yeah, you know what I don't even know if it was a deal. You know what I'm saying?

But, you know, we was just desperate, so we got into it and we dropped a local album. Right. Called Faces of Death. And after we dropped that, well, before we dropped that album, it's why I went to prison. What was that for? That was for, it was all in related to shooting with, not shooting which, but they didn't, because Weston pressed charges, but they charged me with having the weapon.

Oh, but how did they even know that you had the weapon? Because didn't you just bring him to the hospital? Oh, yeah, but they got me, though. Oh, so you didn't just try to, like, push him out and drive away? Man, man, man, no, he actually, when we put up to the emergency, he actually told me to get out the car and run. And I was so much in shock. I was like, man, just drive to the hospital. just go just go because he was like they gonna know you shot me right you know what

saying so man so it was just like um we just uh I went to jail that night for that wow went to jail for that and um it's crazy because the police officer came out when they was trying to get me to tell the true story right he was okay you can allow you want to but your friends just died my heart dropped I was like oh my god I'm like evil fucking pigs man yeah yeah yeah yeah wow he told me the wish had died you don't sand but then I was in the, um, when I was in,

man, yeah, yeah, I thought it was a done deal. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, so, but,

but then like two days, no, like a day later, I called home and everybody was just telling me the wishes in the hospital, you know what I was like, I was like,

yo man, they told me he died. It was like, what? No, he didn't die. Like, he could,

they can save his leg and everything. Holy shit, and you believe it for days because it's not like you got a cell phone to just tap in. Right.

Oh my God. So I was in there stress I'm like, man, this is worst day in my life, for real. That is so crazy. Holy shit. So how long did you end up doing for the gun? Well, all together, I did 18 months. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? Like I said, he didn't press charges. They charged me what happened because it was a sawed off shotgun, which is illegal. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that's why. And it was my first offense, man. They didn't give me no love.

You know what I was saying? I was looking for some love. Were you sitting there in jail mad as fuck they were in jail or were you sitting there like, well, at least I only got like a year or so in comparison of what could have happened given what actually happened. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thankful that, you know, I mean, I wasn't thankful that it happened, but I was thankful that it happened to the extent to where everybody can bounce back from it at some point, you know, and come back from it. So, you know, we're here now. When did the names come into play? When did you guys come up without idea?

Well, man, you know, the name bone thugs and harmony and then everybody having bone in their name. Well, first of all, you know, after high school, you know, is when we really turned up in the streets. You know what I'm saying? We got like really, really hot boys. And it's crazy because he wasn't no jug kingpins, but we just doing the hustle.

We hustled to survive day to day. But you guys were mostly robbing. You weren't, like, actual drug dealers? No, no, we sold dope. We sold weed. Okay. And if we didn't have it, we took yours and sold yours. You know what I'm saying?

That's just what we used to do. Right. But, yeah, you know, so by that time, like, we on the streets hard, and they, lay in which, they, they hitting the block. They, like, scraping the block every day. They, they're, they're being confronted by some, by some, real like king pins you know what I'm saying so I think lay get knocked uh um with like with like a thousand rocks on them I'm sitting at home watching with my parents and like

watching the news and they show this dude on the news and my mother like see I told you about hanging with them I'm like I'm like oh my god it could have been you yeah so so after that lazy gets since uh he gets sent to juvenile because he was like 16 17 for a thousand rocks Yeah. Jesus, that's lucky. Yeah. He gets into juvenile, and, you know, I ain't heard from him for a long time. And then I heard the only way he could get out was if he went to go live with his uncle in Texas, in Dallas, Texas.

So, Lazy went down there and lived down there for, like, a year or so. And I ain't hear from him, like, at all. So, like, I was still doing music, but I was still doing it with other people, like, just, like, just making music, like, just randomly. And then, like, after a year or so, Lazy came back. And, um, uh, lay said he, him and his dude had something called Bone Enterprise. Uh-huh. And Lazy Bone was actually Busy Bone first. Okay.

Yeah, Lazy Bone was Busy Bone. And, um, he was like, we should use this name for our, for our little thing. You know what I'm saying? I was like, cool. I'm down with it. And, um, we all have a bone name. But at the time it was only me and Lowe name. lazy bow. So I was like, cool, I'm gonna be crazy bow. And he was like, I'm gonna be lazy

and like, it was just crazy and lazy. Right. You know, that's the whole foundation of bone. Like, you know what I'm saying? When it first started, it was crazy and lazy. That's why our name's rhyme. Let me ask this. At that time, nobody was actually saying bone as slang for having sex either, right? No. That's interesting that that came in later. Just because it's like always weird to have like the name of a thing all of a sudden become a slang term for another. Yeah, definitely, definitely, man. Could open up lyrical possibilities, though. Definitely.

I'm thinking about it. Definitely. Right. So, okay, that's how the names all sort of came into play and everything. Yes, indeed. And then, you know, busy. It took us a minute to let busy in the group. And then I had to convince Lay to let the dude in there.

Ladymaker's one of the ladymen in the group at first. I was like, bro, let the little nigger. the group, man, damn, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Because I thought he was dope, you know what I'm saying? And he had been hanging around us a lot. Busy actually didn't start hanging around us until, till high school. Okay. So we was almost about to be out of high school, drop out of high school.

Right. Yeah, but yeah, he was the last, he was the last member of the group to come into the group. How overall, in terms of all the years combined, how hard has it been for you guys to stay a group? Because when you look at the history of rap groups, there's so many amazing groups that if they had stayed together would have been able to make absurd amounts of money.

NWA Wu-Tang are considered all day. You guys have held it together better than most in terms of really keeping that unity, which is weird because it's like realistically four dudes that meet when you're 16, all of a sudden you're in your 30s, what the fuck do you have in common? Not a lot.

It takes a real commitment to keep everybody on the same page. Man, well, you know, we consider ourselves to be like real brothers, you know what I'm saying? We weren't brought together. Everything about bone happened, it seemed like it was meant to be. You know, like the way we met, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't staged. It wasn't put together the way we met and everything, you know what I'm saying? And we bonded together.

We went through some real life struggles together on the streets where there was, whether it was everybody watching me go through my family situation or me, watching them go through theirs, you know what I'm saying? And they were all similar. So we bonded and we was all we had for all those years when we was grinding, we was all we had. I remember when we first came out here

and Easy saw how close we were. We was in the studio one time. You know, we are in LA. We don't know nobody. It's just us from Cleveland. You know, all we got is us. So when one of us would get up to go to the bathroom, the other four would go stand by the door.

Really? Wow. Easy would be like, yo, y'all. dudes is like tight for real he was like I wish me and my dudes would have been like that because it had been cracking right like for real because like he he he knew that like we was real brothers and it's still like that even though like like you may hear in the media that this one is arguing or this man that's what brothers do that's what family do but you know we vowed to never had this money situation have us at each other still we'd rather stop doing business together and still be family really because you see so many rappers who

are just straight in the dirt with their homies and then they get famous and six months later they hate each other and they can't stand each other. Oh yeah. It's like they forget about the fact that they were there for each other when they didn't have shit. That just disappears from their mind so quickly once they start having things. Yeah man you know what I mean well you know what they said about money you know like money and friends but you know it's just like it's never that serious. It's always about the family you like I mean we love making money you know and we very fortunate to have a 25 year run to where we're still in demand across the globe. Right.

You know what I'm saying? That's a blessing in itself. So everybody understands, you know, like, we over all that, everybody should be over all the egos and all the dumb shit you go through like earlier in your career, you know, because we're in our 40s now, man. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, we blessed to still be here able to do what we do. Yeah.

Is it easier to get along now that you guys are adults, you have families? You got like a reason, you know, if you go, and do a show. It's kind of like just going to a day at work, right? Hell no, it ain't. No? No, it's family, man. Like I said, and when you're that comfortable with people, your brother going to always try you.

You know what I'm saying? Right. When you're that comfortable, you're going to always, you're going to always, you're going to always, a person's going to always, when you're that comfortable with people, I'm sure it's something that annoys you about each and every one of them. I've watched interviews with you and other members being interviewed together, and not even just you

but just everybody in general where I felt like I could read emotions on people's faces and I could almost tell who was a little annoyed with the who who was having a bad day who was maybe just not feeling this who got a little annoyed

when a certain member started talking too long I'm sitting there thinking like this is interesting yeah oh yeah yeah because it happens though right you know what I'm saying you had your days

where you'd be like man when you just shut them let somebody else talk I see it all the time with different rap groups and everything. And that's always what I'm impressed by is their ability to, you know, I was interviewing ICP. And I felt like I fucking felt that vibe between them a little bit, almost like they both wanted to talk a lot. But they never let, even though I could tell that they sort of was jockeying for positions so much that they didn't let it bother them enough that it actually became a thing. And I think that's what is kind of like the sign that a group is going to be able to last for a long time,

as if they can have these little disagreements and you can just sort of brush them aside. Yeah, yeah, because we never really had no, we never really had no major money disputes. You know what I'm saying? Everything was always broken down evenly. Right. Across the table, you know,

because we started just journey as brothers. We're going to go through every single bit of it as brothers sharing everything equally from day one to now. Yeah. No matter who rapped on this song or who didn't, everybody still didn't get the same thing. And you always just got to like keep in mind that you guys created something together that's bigger than any of you on your own. And that's got to feel crazy.

So I've like formed a brand that is bigger than the sum of the parts. Yes, it is. Man, and that is crazy because I tell people that all the time I'm like, one member doesn't make the go. We can, we've done shows, bone shows, you know, with three members in this, in one city and the other two members. in another city the same night, and they both shut out in different cities. Wow, really? In different cities.

Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's like as long as people hear the bone music, the music is bigger than us. It's bigger than bone. Like so regardless, if I'm tired of doing it, tired of getting on stage doing the same songs, it's in full demands. Yeah.

That's crazy because there's very few rap groups that are like that. There's usually a Beyonce. Yeah. You know? Definitely, definitely. Like if we say, and talk about Wu-Tang, I mean, you could name the Wu-Tang members that are world-famous, and there's Wu-Tang members who really just mostly the hardcore Wu-Tang fans know them.

Yeah. That's kind of crazy. That's interesting. Do you feel you're wearing the Wu-Tang hat. Is that like a group that you always felt a close sort of kinship with? Yeah, man, you know, because we came in around the same era, you know what I'm saying? I really didn't, like, start listening to Wu-Tang until, like, later to after they came out, you know what I'm saying?

But we was cool with meth, resists. You know what I'm saying? Meth was one of the first ones we got cool with. You know what I'm saying? Then we made like Ray Kwan and, you know what I'm saying? That's the little drama we supposedly had back in the day. Right. But then what was that?

I can't remember. Man, it was some deaf jam Christmas party, man, that jumped off. And it was just like a, it was like crazy, man. It was just like boned against the whole East Coast that night. It was crazy. Really? Yeah, man. Because, you know, we went there.

I don't know. I really don't know what happened. All I know is we got to the party too early. We was young. And as soon as we got there, we started drinking. And we was drunk by 11 o'clock. And, you know, when we get drunk, we just start getting wild, like, for real.

Right. That's basically how to happen. But, you know, like, everything got squashed, man. Those dudes is cool. Every time I see Ray Kwan, I'm like, yo, man, we need to make some kind of collaboration having with Bone and Wu time, man. We need to be crazy.

Because every time we see each other, man, we mention it. Like so we we gotta make that happen through a tour or something. Have you been watching the TV show? No, no, I haven't watched it yet. Yeah. Yeah, I like usually when I start watching shows, I like to let a couple episodes go past,

I can watch them back to back, you know what I? I only seen the first one, but it's really interesting because they basically like, it's not the story of Wu-Tang. It's all these characters that are based on Wu-Tang and then there's different storylines happening. Like the beginning of it is like a big shooting and then like a guy who shoots up somebody's house

and then he goes and he's like hanging out with Riza and shit and you're like, who is this guy that did the shooting? And then at some point you have to realize, like, that's not a member of Wutang. That's just a character in the show who's supposed to exist within the Wutang universe. So that's kind of weird, right? Like to think that it could be a story

that's set in your neighborhood, you guys have characters based on you, but there's all kinds of wild shit. It's not attempting to tell the actual legitimate story. It's to tell a good story in the universe. It's kind of interesting because we did a movie like that, I tried. You know, like a few years ago when we were signed the Interscope and we released the Strength

and Loitty album, we did a thing like that because we tried to shoot, we were going to shoot something in Cleveland, but what happened was, we decided to shoot on the coldest day ever in Cleveland. It was like a, it was like 30 below zero. The cameras was freezing. So we was like, yo, let's pack this shit up and do it in L.A. And just changed the story around. So it was supposed to be about, it was about what if we came to L.A.,

to meet easy, but we never met easy. Uh-huh. What would we be doing? Wow. And the shit was just like crazy. Like, we was like getting into all the type of shit. That is really interesting. Yeah, like an alternate universe.

But you know, what's interesting about it is it's almost like, you know, now they just make superhero movies over and over. Like we've seen like 15 different Batman movies that are like different versions of the Batman story. It's almost like, I wonder if they'll just start treating rappers like that. We'll have, why have one NWA movie when we can have a whole bunch of NWA movies? different versions of it. There's just so much content that comes out now

that that wouldn't even surprise me if 20 years from now there's like four different bone thugs movies that have come out. Man, never know. If for real. That's weird to think about, huh? For real.

How'd you feel about this fucking Japanese kid that came out all the way to America to try to meet you guys? Yo, man, this, man, when I first heard about it because Ashley had told me about this before it even hit the press because you got a call one day, we was on the road

and one of the home. homies, one of the homies, a dude named Big Age, he hit late, and he was like, yo, man, this is this dude from, from Japan down here. He don't speak no English. He said he came down here to meet y'all and to get something about y'all, but he said, dudes that robbed him. He was like, and I don't want to leave him in the hood down here because he's looking, he, he's looking like a victim. Do we know who robbed him or like what that scenario was like? Man, I don't know who it was. Could have been anybody. Could have been anybody, you know what I'm saying. So my dude took him in and some of other homies,

I guess they wouldn't snatched him up or whatever, you know what I'm saying? But I really thought nothing of it because it's fans that come down like from all over the world to that street. People have sent me pictures like a dude from Australia sent me like somewhere from Europe and like people have come from everywhere like to take pictures on that street. And I'll be taking them back up and okay, you got your picture and not run for your life. Right. Don't hang around. And I'm assuming you don't spend a lot of time there these days. I mean I mean every time I go back that's where I go right okay I always because that's

that's everybody I know that's where they are so I always go but that's when you go back it's like at you as a successful person with an actual recording career you don't have really have a reason to be on the block that you grew up on but but this Japanese kid is just assuming that you haven't moved in the past 30 fucking here exactly and I'm like that that that was a thing that was kind of strange to me I'm like bro like I mean I mean I'm like man first how did you even like find out how to get here to this place. Right.

I'm like, if you go to the sloss and swap me, you're not going to see Snoop. I hate the brigatee, but that's just, you know, things have changed in his life. Man,

but it's crazy because somebody told me that he told them that he found our street from the little map that was on our album. Wow. I say, bro, like, I don't even know how to read that,

man. I don't even know what the map say. How did you do that? What the fuck? Like, no bullshit. I'm like, man,

it's crazy. But certain people, like, when you go to Japan, And there's certain people just develop like a passion or interest in American culture to the extent that is almost just bizarre by our standards. Like I remember being out there and seeing like somebody pulls up on us in a crazy low rider that's just bumping up and down and shit. And they're like just like California. And I'm like, yeah, not like this guy's just driving this.

This is just where he drives every day. I'm like nobody does that in California. People have collections of these cars and they bring them out for events and shit. But nobody drives around in that. People drive around in fucking Tesla's and civics and shit. That's true. Real talk. But it's just so crazy to think that this kid had that passionate of a draw to you that he,

I mean, he might be crazy. Man, I mean, I mean, well, I haven't, from what I hear, you know, he doesn't even want to go home. Right. He's saying he don't want to go home. I want to, okay, well, it's going to be kind of hard to, you know, tell ICE that when they come looking for you. But, I mean, if you got a plan, but, like, so far, he got people down there. like this happening from from what I hear. I haven't been to Cleveland yet,

but if he stood and wanted to go out of Cleveland, I definitely want to meet him and sit down and just like, I just want to hear his plane and what his plan was. Right. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I haven't listened to his music. I'll listen to him to see what he sound, like, you know what I'm saying, but.

It's worth a shot. That could be a good story. Yeah. But, but he's doing good. He's, his social media is on fire right now. Really? You know, he got over a million followers. What?

From that? He got a, from what I hear, there's a label, there's a record label in Japan that wants to talk to him when he gets back. If he goes back, he said he ain't going back, but, you know. Imagine that that happened and his name was like, you know, Chan, Bone. I don't know what his actual name is, but like Japanese name, Bone. And then you guys just co-signed. That'd be like, T.I. signed an Igiazalia. It's like, yeah, I'm from the trap.

But I'm going to take this fucking insurgent Australian girl and just make her go and just talk with it. Yeah. Atlanta accent. For real. Crazy. Geez. Man, so when we talk about the greatest group of all time conversation, this is something that you got a little bit wrapped up in earlier this year.

Is that something where you felt, like, is it actually really important to you that you guys are considered the best group of all time, or is it just a respect thing, where you just want people to, when they have that conversation, to give. bone the respect they deserve. What's your thinking on that? Man, it's like I really don't even give a damn what people think. Like, I really don't. And that's really truthfully for my...

It means more to certain people than me. Yeah, it's cool when people notice notice what you do. You know what I'm saying? And like, but I know what we did for hip-hop. Our fans know what we did for hip-hop.

I always look at it. at, I always got my solidification from the fans. I don't look from like how many awards we got or how many times, you know what I'm saying? Like, well, going platinum was, let you know how many fans you actually have. So, you know, we did watch that a lot. But like, once we found out that our fans was behind us and they was ride, ride or die through thick and thin, it was like, I always went to them. I never went by what, you know, the accolades you may receive because, you know, like I tell everybody all the time, like the best reward to me is when the fans come up and see you and say, you helped them from committing suicide or, you know what I'm saying?

Like your music helped me get through life. I was going through it. I was thinking about committing suicide or stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? Like that's you're actually like, our music is actually helping people like in those kind of ways. So that's the whole blessing out of it to me. Like who's the best? Everybody is supposed to think they're the best.

if you have success like bone with us in harmony or the megos or public enemy or any other group that has been successful you're supposed to think you're the best amygos they're they're in they prime they're supposed to think they're supposed to feel like they're the greatest right now you know what i'm saying so it's like and i understand what lazy is saying you know he feel like you know that stems from a holden not just with the megos but just us like people never mentioned in bone like we never existed I'm like they, you know, I guess it gets to them, like when he hear rappers talk about their favorite rapper, but they rap just like, boom. But they don't say their favorite rapper is, bone. That's what the crazy part is, is that rap has been around so long that there's hugely influential groups that came before our time. Like, for me, like, I started listening to rap like a couple years after Run DMC, kind of had their run. So I'll never really be able to properly understand what their influence was in comparison. to Wu-Tang or Bone Thugs where I was actually listening to the music or even now, I've been watching

Migo's career as an adult where I actually really understand what's going on in the music business. That's an even entirely different thing. It becomes very hard to, and I don't think that there's any value in being a current rapper having that kind of conversation about how you compare to Tupac, how you compare to Biggie.

There's no value in you even trying to have that conversation because nobody wants to hear it. Yeah, man, I just feel like, you know, why can't Everybody just be great within their selves. You know what I'm saying? You know, if you were blessed to get the attentions of the masses, then just be happy with that. Just be great.

Just keep doing what you doing. You know what I'm saying? That's the whole thing. Everybody got to look at the next person, but like, oh, no. It's always like a competition. I understand competition could be good. There's just nothing wrong with it, but I don't go about everything like, oh, we got to be knowing that's the best.

We got to be, I know I'm one of the coders and niggas can't see me on the microphone. if they tried. You know what I'm saying? I know that. You know what I'm saying? So I don't but I don't have to run around and yell it and scream it. I go in the studio and I put it down on the song and I let them know. Like I'm not just a rapper. I'm an artist. What guy you pissed off enough that you wanted

to actually do the disc track at The Migos in 21? Bro, that's the whole thing. That track was recorded way before that whole thing with Lazybone jumped off. Whoever went out there made that album cover with me holding it, I had nothing to do with that. Oh, okay. Because I was thinking I'm like, that's a little extreme. That's a lot. I had nothing to do

with that. That song I made was way before that beef even jumped off. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't like I was talking about dudes wearing dresses in the song. I never seen Amigos with a dress on. Oh, so it was just a different sort of overall fuck new school bullshit type song.

Not fuck the new school. I was just saying, you know what I'm saying? Like just wasn't, wasn't so much riding with the agenda. You know what I'm saying of like just basically saying, you know, like that ain't where we come from. We real dudes. We're real men.

You know what I'm saying? We're going to carry ourselves like real men, bottom line. Has it been weird for you to watch hip hop change so much and to have so many of the established values that you came in the game with, whether it's musical, whether it's street stuff, respect stuff. So much of that has eroded over the years is hard for you to watch that. And like you stay roughly the same and everything around you in the hip-hop world changes so much? man not really because you know you really can't expect everything to stay the same the world changes people change times change like

it's been you're i mean we've been we've been we've been we've been running for a long time but it's going to eventually come a time where people gonna be like sit your old ass down right you know what i'm saying that time comes for everybody so i'm sooner than others you know what i'm saying but it's like man i sit back and i just watch the game for what it is you know i'm not mad at these cats for what they do because these dudes is doing the same thing we did. It's just like when we was coming up and we was doing our music and our parents were telling us, that ain't real music, what y'all doing?

You're saying, what am I? Man, y'all, oh, y'all tripping. We're seeing the same thing right now. You know what I'm saying? But what the younger generation should understand do is like, we're not always trying to come at them, you know, like, oh, this is wacky,

you shouldn't do it like this. You know what I'm saying? We've been going in the same direction with this hip-hop thing and the artists have always been getting the short end of the stick. But what we're trying to say now is it's time to change. It's time to break that cycle. It's time to become bosses.

You come in an artist, but you leave a boss. That's the whole mentality everybody needs to have. You know what I'm saying? It's not necessarily, you know, and just be a little bit more aware of what you're talking about. Whose agenda you push? You know what I'm saying? Because like the people, you know, like the industry that used you up for

their agenda and when they're done they'll drop you off like you never existed so you know what saying you got to be always you got to be always like alert and like watching out for you and yours for real right yeah see this is one thing i'm really interested to ask you about because you guys have the kind of catalog like i talked to a lot of newer artists about streaming and how much money they make from streaming and blah blah blah i mean you guys have the kind of catalog where i'm sure you still stream like outlandish amounts oh yeah all the time you're on the radio videos whatever the fuck it is. Do you still make enough money from just like the streaming or the licensing type stuff? Are you totally chilling? Like you make enough in a year that you don't have to do shit

because that money still comes in so good? I don't think I'm going to never make that much money to where I don't have to do anything because I'm like I'm not, it's hard to say it because like people think I'm crazy, but I'm not, I'm not desperate in a haste trying to sack a, fights everything just to make money. I'm happy with the revenue we got coming in. Like I said, we're blessed because a lot of people, like, they came out during our

era and, like, you know, it ain't that many left. The only person I see really doing it is, like, people like snoop and nize and them are still out there, you know what I'm saying? But it ain't that many that came from our era, they're still able to to steal on their two legs. And there's so many people who around the time that you guys were at your

height, they were around that level. But they don't play, like, you don't hear their songs anymore. Yeah. You know? Yeah, because shit ages differently. Yeah, because it's not, it's not even so much about, like, me making money.

I love doing music. I love being an artist. I love creating stuff. I love, like, just like getting this music to people and relaying the messes to people, because that's more important than anything. And if I make money doing it, again, I'm blessed, because I'm going to do what I always want

to do and get paid for it. So, it's like, man, I'm cool. I'm good. I'm not hungry. my belly ain't grumbling you know what I'm saying my kids is eating they are good you know what saying so it's a wonderful thing how many kids you got I got nine kids geez nine kids how many moms four four moms okay well at least you're not future where his baby moms are all forming together creating a coalition against him oh yeah no no you're on good terms with them oh yeah all up yeah all my kids and they are cool so yeah what are the age range

How are you? 20, 23 to 12. Wow. Yeah. Damn, so you've been a good guy for a while now. You've been holding out. Oh, yeah. You learned your lesson?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Man, that was, you know what I'm saying? It was like, I mean, everybody, why when they're young, you know what I'm saying? But I don't regret none of my kids, but I love them all. They all fun, you know, they all, they all very, very talented. They sing, they rap, they dance, they're very talented. Is that stressful to not be able to be as involved as you might want to be in their lives?

Oh, yeah. Just because there's so many of them. And you're obviously focused on your career doing your thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It is stressful, but I make sure that I take time when I bring them all in. Bring them all. They all come down to their house.

You know what I'm saying? They stay at the house. Or, you know, I go see them all the time. So it's like. Right. Yeah. It's just like having a army of friends. Uh-huh.

It's always done what you ride or die. Do you ever think about the fact that one day you're going to be 80? And because you have nine kids, It's like one of them has got to have a good job and they're going to help you out no matter what. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, she's all nine of them better have a good job, you know, because I want all mine back. But you're safe because it's like if I, say I have one kid and that he just ends up fucking up.

Yeah. You got nobody to rely on, but if you have nine, that's a pretty good bet that one of them is going to figure something out. That's true. That's true. So I just hope they're getting their sales together. Yeah. There you go. So do you feel like, is, do you think that Migo's and, do you think that Migo's and

21 and them think that there's animosity between you? Like, is that something that's even worth trying to sort of squash or settle or something? I mean, man, I mean, bro, like, I think, I don't know, because I don't know with the whole situation. That was, that was like pretty much lazy was doing that, you know what I'm saying, or whatnot. But from what I hear, he had some dialogue with, I think, 21 Savage. If I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, but I think he had some.

kind of dialogue with him. You know what I'm saying? I never really got involved with it because the whole thing it came about, you know what I'm saying? I guess lay had words with him or whatnot, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, I'm going to stand behind my nigga, you know what I'm saying? Like wrong or right, I'm standing behind him, you know what I'm saying? Because this is the camp and I understand

how he feels. I understand why that ticked him off and it made him like flip. Because like I said, like a lot of things were building up, you know what I'm saying? He just felt like just overall, we we haven't gotten a respect that we should. Right. Yeah, sometimes people just, you know, it's easy for people to fall back on the same

when you have the best groups conversation. It's just easy to not think about it that much and just sort of name off the first ones that come to mind. And Bone is kind of that kind of group where maybe they're not the first one to come to mind, but then when you actually think about it, and you actually compare the accolades and the impact and everything, it's like,

oh, well, clearly they belong in this conversation about top groups. But I don't even really blame, like, a lot of artists because like when you're not you when you're we're not informed or you don't like always tell people like just don't do music just because you want to do music like if you really love love it you know what I'm saying like you should study music you should learn music you know because it's a lot it's it's it's a lot of our music they can help you like just don't get into it you know what I'm saying like you really should know and I really don't blame the artists because

nobody has really said and taught them. When you look at athletes, they go to school, when you look at athletes, when they, you know, athletes are, they're trained from an early age from, like, junior high school. They go through the high school program. They need to go to college. So by the time they get to the pros,

they've had a lot of training. You know what I'm saying? You know, Dave, people have told them how to be a professional. We don't have that in hip-hop. People just get in and think they know what they're doing. And don't want to hear nothing, don't want to hear no advice or what people that went through similar situations as you, how they fucked up and how they didn't fuck up. And in reality, it's like, you know, if you join the NBA, it's like the coaches and the teens, there's this whole structure to humble you, to force you into a structure.

You have to actually work and focus on your career and everything. And I'm sure there's plenty of guys who kind of fuck off. But for the most part, there's this structure. And it's the total opposite. music where the people who sign you the label, it's really in their best interest to just give you whatever you want, treat you like a fucking giant grown baby and basically not, there's no incentive for them to really get you ready for life. Man, no.

No, they just give you all this. They give you all this money. That's why I say, like, we'd have fared much better. We'd have fared much better and went through less, I think less of the things we went through had easy not passed away because that was our mentor he we he was with us every day right and I can tell he he was going to be there telling us like no no no don't do that don't do that you know what I'm saying like and then but when he passed away we didn't have nothing we was just there's just some wild dudes with a whole bunch of money you know what I'm saying and we just like

we took the money and we we tried to imitate as much as we could what we saw him doing with ruthless records when we like came with mothug records and you know had the office and you know what so we tried to emulate all that like for real do you think that easy in a lot of ways wanted to write the wrongs from his own career like he had he had saw what happened with nwa and how it didn't turn into what it could have and he was looking at you guys really thinking like i can be an industry guy i can help them be great where maybe n wa wasn't as great as it could have been oh yeah he was definitely looking at that looking at it like that and And he was also looking at trying to get NWA back together, you know,

because him and him and I ask you was having conversations. Like he would, I mean, we was around like when he was having similar conversations. He used to tell us, he was like, you know, trying to get this NWA thing back going together. You know what I'm saying? So he had, he had plans. Wow. He had plans like when he went in and got rid of like Jerry Heller and, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, because, you know, he told us like, I'm about, I'm about to like just switch everything up.

You know what I found, you know, that. that same vanilla photo that they had in the movie where he found out all his business wouldn't write, no lie. Like, he had the same vanilla folder and he told us, he was like, yo, I'm about to make a serious move and I need y'all to just like,

just buckle down on the ride with me. Because he had had us out here in California and like, you know, he, like, easy would, like, disappear for like weeks at a time. What was he doing, you think? Not working. Oh. He's working around like doing him, you know what I'm saying?

But sometimes he would just disappear and I can get gone, because I guess because of all the stress. You know what I'm saying? You know, but in the meantime, we'd be in the hotels, like with no money, like starving. And then, you know, he would come through and drop it off, you know what I'm saying? But then we got fed out.

We like, yo, eat. If we, if you need us to go back to Cleveland, while you did whatever you're dealing with, man, just let us know because at least we can hustle back at home. This is LA. We don't know nothing about, you know what I'm saying? We ain't trying to go on these streets and do none of that. We don't know nothing about this system out here.

we can get home and hustle and he was like and that's when he showed us the photo and was like, no, I need y'all to chill and just buckle down. I'm making some big changes and y'all are part of it. So I was like, you know,

so we just fell back after that and then, you know, a few weeks later he disappeared like for for like more than a couple weeks. Do you think he was sick and that was part of why he was disappearing? No, man. Easy was always moving.

Like he was always like doing like always doing stuff. I don't know if he was or not But you know he was always moving if he was he was always moving still Right you know what I'm saying so Like I said like you know like more than two weeks went past like Like four or five weeks went past we hadn't talked to him or seen him And you know we got a call up to roofless records you know we got a call up to roofless records and

They wouldn't tell us where he was they was like easy's fine you know what I'm saying And they they gave us our first uh what were they like royalty checks or advancement checks, I guess. Right. Yeah, they gave us our first checks. And after we got them, we packed up and moved back to Cleveland. Really? Oh, yeah.

Uh-huh. So you guys didn't really, EZ didn't really get to see much of your success. No. Not at all. The only thing he saw was the success of creeping on the come up. Right. So he wasn't even around for the second album, okay, because I was so young that it's kind of, it's weird for me to even think about this from that age.

Because I remember 95. Was it 95 or 96 when he passed? I think it was 95, I think. Right. Yeah. I remember being in school when I found out about it and being distraught and nobody else understanding. The fact that I was really upset about this rapper in California dying.

Yeah, yeah. Man. Yeah. It was crazy. That was crazy. Do you feel like, because, okay, I was just at the show over the weekend with a Snoop game exhibit, Warren G. It was like 90s sort of revival type shows.

It was called How the West was won. Do you guys end up doing a fair amount of those where they sort of bring together like groups from the 90s and shit? Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. How is that?

How is the vibe with like that group that was his name? You ever booked on that kind of thing? Man, it's always a family vibe, man. You like, everybody be outside of their dressing rooms just talking. You know what I'm saying? Smoky atmosphere. The backstage area was, yeah, it was mind-blowing to me because I'm just like, dude,

It's like the most G's I've ever been around in my life. And everybody's smiling. Everybody's having a good time. Yeah. I mean, no matter what the past was, no matter if you have beef with this person, it's everybody is older and matured now. So everybody's just thankful to still be here,

be alive, and still doing what we do, for real. Yeah, it was a beautiful, beautiful vibe in the air. Yeah, so that was one thing that struck me, though, is just that so many of those people have, like, stuff built into their performance where they still, talk about Easy and still remember him and stuff. Is that something that you think is particularly important

to just like literally go out of your way to keep his name alive? Because he's not, you know, there's a certain amount of attention that Biggie and Park are always gonna get because they were such big stars. And Easy was more of a rapper's rapper in a lot of ways where he's like more of like the hardcore fan favor.

It's kind of easy for people to forget about him sometimes. So I feel like it's even more important for people to like really keep his name alive. Oh yeah, man, definitely. That's why we do it. You know, that's why we always giving his name out. We always paying homage to him at every show. And we're going to do that, man, until we ain't doing it no more, you know, because like he saved us. He saved us from a lot of things. You know, he's saying it's from prison. He saved us from the grave. You know what I'm saying? He saved us from ourselves. You know what I'm saying? So we owe everything to that man. That's crazy. Unbelievable. Can we talk about the Crossroads video just a little bit? who conceptualized that was that just an idea that they brought you because this is like for those who don't know what I'm talking about you should definitely go watch it which is amazing that has a hundred million YouTube views in 10 years given that it's been out for like

20 something years yeah yeah that's amazing yeah man you know um man that man I forget what the who came up with the concept you know what I'm saying but um it was just I know I was chipping off of it because they were talking about they were spending that's when they're spending like them crazy buddies And I'm like, man, we spend what? I'm like, man, we can put that in my pocket, son. Yeah, for real. You're all tripping.

Right. But yeah, you know, it was, and then when I look at it today, I'm like, man, it wouldn't look like no $600 video. Yeah, I know, right? I don't know what y'all talking about. You can definitely make that video for $20,000 now. Exactly. Real talk.

Yeah, man, but it was something different, though. You know, the whole, the whole song, the whole song in itself is just like something special because the original song that we did, we didn't, we just did it for our homies that passed away. Right, it was about a lot of your homies you passed, but not easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was actually about one homie that passed away. Okay.

Because at the time, we had only lost, like, one homie back in the hood. So it was like that first homie that you lose. It's like such a big deal to you. Yeah, yeah. You're just saying RIP all the time because you're not used to this feeling yet. Yeah, and this dude was Wooders like, He was actually like the sixth member of bone because he was our transportation.

He took us everywhere. He promoted like he was in the group. You know what I'm saying? So like when we lost him, you know what I'm saying? It was like it hit us hard. So like we did that song. And then after we got on with E,

like you know, we started like losing a lot of our other people. You know what I'm saying? My cousin was murdered. Wishbone Uncle Charles was murdered. Right. The homie from the hood. Boo was murdered, you know what I'm saying? My brother-in-law, Tombstone, was killed.

Murdered, all shot in their head. It's crazy. You know what I'm saying? So it was just crazy. We was like, yo, man, like, every time we do something good, something bad, always happened to us. So we started thinking, we was cursed.

We were like, man, I don't know. Bone might be cursed. Right. Like, for real. But, you know what I'm saying? So, like, when we did this song and it blew up like that, man, it was just like, it was just crazy.

Like, did everybody take to it? Because I guess everybody was like, dealing with this you everybody deal with death you know what i'm saying so i guess that song just reached everybody and still to this day they're gonna they're gonna feel the song because people still dying right you know what i'm saying you tell me anything about uncle charles man uncle charles was like the dude and and wishbone's family every time the show we did he was there front row and he was a clean dude he'd be there with his life with his suit on he drove a jaguar He'd be there with his suit on, with his trench coat, with his leather gloves on, and the front row just like...

When you're a kid, a dude like that and make an impression on you, like, damn, he's just slick as hell. How you live like that? That's crazy. He was a real clean cut dude, for real. Wow. There's something about the delivery on that bar that just made everybody in the whole world just all of a sudden remember and think about it. Who the fuck is Uncle Charles? Yeah, because a lot of people got Uncle Charles.

Well, that's true, too, yeah. We've got Uncle Charles. But just the delivery of the way he says that. And it's not a line that on its own is anything that interesting compared to the rest of the song. But the delivery just made everybody just, that's crazy. You know, because, you know, he was one, he was real close to his uncle. You know what I'm saying? He felt that when he said it.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So the way he delivered it, you know, that was real raw emotion right there. Real talk. Crazy. And then you guys almost won music video of the year, but you were beat up by Kulio. Oh, yeah. When? When?

I don't know. I forget what year. but I just saw the Culeo one. Oh, okay, yeah. I don't even know. That's weird, because I feel like that song has aged better than Gangsters Paradise. Or was it fantastic voyage? I can't even remember what Culeo song it was.

Yeah. Now, Coalio had some hits though. He did. And I don't know if he's still doing it, but the last time I saw it... Oh, yeah, he is. Well, but I mean, he still has that haircut, but there's not a lot of hair to work with. He's got like three things going on up there.

Yeah. That's rough. Yeah, he's going out with them. Yeah, he was with ICP for a while, too. I don't know if he still is. Also, why am I mentioning ICB twice in this interview? I don't know. Them, them.

They are actually cool as fuck. That's another group that, like, people thought they're crazy. You actually meet up with them. They're just super nice, chill guys. Man, we went on several tours with them, their fans, it's crazy. Yeah, that's a fact. For real. I've seen people.

I went to their show in downtown LA. I did not know that there was people who looked or acted anything like that anywhere near L.A. Oh, yeah. They, man, they're crazy. Yeah. Mind-blown. People might not know this, but do you actually, what's in your cup? This is the, this is the THC syrup. What's the name of it? The Ben Baller, THC syrup?

BBSS. Yeah. Right. Shout out Ben Baller. I'm still going to the Ben Baller podcast soon. Yes, indeed. You like that stuff. I don't know there many people to drink it. Oh, yeah? Yeah. But I always see it. It's because they can't handle it. It's too strong for them. That's true. You guys, fuck. I've tried that shit before. That shit gets you fuck. I had to make the homie drive home one time because I drank some of that shit.

Yeah. Man, I'm used to it now, though, so, you know. Right. So you still have a strong love affair with cannabis, or what do you thoughts on that? Man, you know, I mean, I love the smoke, but I can't, you know what I'm saying? Because of the situation I have in my lungs. Oh, okay.

Yeah, you know, I really can, so that's why I transitioned over to the edibles and the drink. And they used to tear me up at first. Really? Man, I'm talking about it because I used to eat. The first time I ate an edible, man, like a real edible, I sat down and ate a cheesecake, and I ate the whole damn thing. I sat down comfortable with like a glass of milk.

Like I'm just, like I'm eating regular, you know what I'm saying? 20 minutes later, you feel like you're going to die? I'm talking about, yo, I've never been, had a marijuana hot to where I couldn't sleep, brother. Oh, you couldn't even sleep? Bro, I couldn't even sleep. I'm in here like, yo, this is torture. I never had one that I couldn't sleep off, but I definitely had at least one or two where I slept for like 14 hours off that shit, yeah. Yeah, bro, it's torture.

Then everything in the fridge I ate. Really? Oh, yeah. Definitely, that'll happen. No lie, for real. That's like a real drug when you have the fucking weed syrup or the edibles and you just take too much. Yeah, oh yeah. But I learned how to balance it out now, so I'm good.

That's so, man, that's fucking good. I feel like you're actually making me triggered enough that. I think I have some of the weed syrup in my closet at home, so I might have to get involved with that. Oh, yeah. I got some real lean, too, but I'm scared. Oh, no, I never mess with that devil. No, no, no. I don't blame you.

It's the devil's juice, but somebody gave me something. I got it in my house. And it's just, every time I think about it, I just remember, I'm like, you're going to feel real groggy, and then you're going to sleep for a really long time, and then you're now going to feel that great in the morning. So is it worth it?

Not to me. I hear you. What do you got coming out? Anything you should keep an eye out for? Well, man, I just released a album called the Quick Fix Level 2. Music's the Medicine. It's available right now on iTunes, Spotify, on that stuff.

You know what I'm saying? I'm working on a few more. solo projects. I'm working on a project called Crazy Melodies. I'm actually getting ready to release Thug Mentalities on iTunes because it's never been on iTunes. Man, fans been asking me about that. And when I release that, I'm releasing a bonus

CD of songs that didn't make the Thug Mentality album. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? It's like 12 songs that didn't make it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm working on that. Working on a working on several things with the group right now, you know what I'm and and and and i'm pushing a lot of artists i'm i'm developing artists right now for my label to life entertainment that's what's up working with an artist named kane this like really bubbling right now you know he he he got a lot of traction okay from cleveland uh a cat named position you know what

saying get a dick to mafia it's a it's a group with a husband and wife duet you know what Oh, wow. And another homie from Cleveland, Nova the Rebel, you know what I'm saying? So, man, just making traction with these dudes and just trying to get more behind the scenes of the artists, man. Like trying to get some artists out here with some substance because its young artists out here does not follow in the same path of everybody else's. You don't have to make the same music that everybody else is making to be successful, trust me. Yeah, be the change you want to see in the world. You'd be surprised when you come different, how many people follow you?

That's the truth. And really, if you want to make an impression, that's the only option. Exactly. If you come out sounding like, you know, you could sound like an all right little Wayne. Yeah. People probably still rather listen to the real old way. Exactly. But if you are an authentically weird and different you, then.

Yeah. Yeah, I bought you a little package too, man. Oh, shit. The bagged the album and everything is in. Nice. I love merch. Bone hats and Hell yeah. This is sick, dude. Yes indeed. I'm excited.

Yeah, we're going to get the whole. Got you together. Woo-hoo. The bone hats. This is lit. That's a fucking fire merch right there. Hell yeah. Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. Oh, good, bro. Honestly, it was an honor getting to talk to you. Man. Same here, man.

Appreciate it. I saw this podcast one time, man. And I definitely heard it by the way. I tell me, I want to do this, man. Let's do it for sure. That's dope. Honestly, that's like the big. biggest thing that I could ever imagine getting from this is just to get to have conversations

with so many people that grew up looking up to, you know? Man, I hear you. I appreciate that. Yes, indeed, bro. And also, fun tidbit that I learned while getting ready for this interview is that, because I always had heard that Method Man was the only person who did a song with Tupac and Biggie. And then during this, I found out that, in fact, Bone Thugs did a song with Tupac Biggie and EasyE, which is even more of a bizarre accomplishment.

Yes, it is, man. It's a blessing to get to work with those three legends, man, iconic legends, you know what I'm saying? They was all responsible for something, you know what I'm saying, in hip hop. So it's a blessing. Crazy. RIP to all the fallen soldiers, both from the older generations as well as everybody lost over the past couple of years. I appreciate you. Thank you so much for coming on.

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