No Jumper - Kyd Sway on Being a Failed Soundcloud Rapper, Battling Addiction, Becoming a Viral Star & More

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

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No jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm bringing you a conversation with somebody who I've been slightly obsessed with on the internet over the past a couple weeks. My boy, kids swaying the building. Hey, you feel me? Yo, it's good. I'm just very thankful to be here, bro. Shout out to Adam. Thank you to the whole team for having me here, man.

Shout out to 916, free little J2 gang. You already know what time it is. I love you, my family back at home, man. It's a trip to be here. I'm just very, you know, I grew up on this shit, bro. That's sick. You know, it's so crazy. You know, my stupid little videos got me on no jumper.

Like, look, Mom, I'm on No Jumper. You feel me? Like, it's crazy, bro. I really appreciate it. It's a humbling experience, man. It's like a whole full circle thing. I remember when you had messaged me, I was tripping out, but I scrolled up and I seen 2017.

And that was when I was a kid. I was like 20, maybe 21 at the time just turned. And I was I'm going to be on there one day. And back then I had different intentions. I just wanted money, girls, be a rapper type shit, you know? And to be here, it was kind of like a whole full circle thing. You know, now I'm preaching sobriety. I'm trying to help people.

That's genuinely what I'm about. I just want to put a positive message out there. That was part of what made me so fascinated by it is as soon as you started saying the sobriety thing. I'm like, oh, shit, there's got to be like a crazy story. Yeah, for all that all that all came together. Okay, so where exactly you're from? I'm from Sacramento, yeah. Sacramento, right? Yeah, 911, 916, baby, yes, sir. Okay, and like, would you say you grew up in like a normal environment, kind of a hood environment, or what was it like? Not at all. That's why, you know, I may look a certain way. It's just a part of my story and how,

you know, just I would, we never have money, first of all. I never come from that. I still don't have that. I'm not making shit off social media. I still work a normal job and I'm blessed to live the life I have. But yeah, definitely it was, it was hard growing up, but not necessarily in hoods or nothing like that. My dad, he was from that, you know, he grew up in L.A. and then moved to Sacramento and he was in, like, gangs and things like that. But he manned up and made sure we didn't have to go through that, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I'm blessed with the life I have. My parents did their best for sure. So both your parents were around, like your whole childhood? That's, you know, for the most part, by the time I turned, you know, 12 years old, I got back

into my parents' care and everything. I don't want to go too deep onto that. But, you know, my mom had me when she was 15. So that comes with a lot of, you know, a lot of shit. So you know just being in the system sometimes and things like that you know damn so I don't know how much trying to get into it but in terms of the system like I've talked to a lot of people who like grew up in foster homes and shit like was that a really tough part of your life uh you know just being a kid you don't understand why it's happening you feel me like life's weird uh you don't really know how to ask what's going on um you know I just missed my mom you know at the time that's all I was thinking and you know before I knew it

just years went by you know you get into a routine and you're a kid and you just you know a lot of things can be used to distract you. Like, people can buy you off. You know what I mean? So it was, it was a weird, time, bro, but when my mom came back immediately that's when I was, you know, I was old enough to make my own decision when it came to the court when I was like 12 and I was I want to go with mom. You know what I mean? So, you know, after that, it's, you know, had it's up and downs, but I'm very blessed. Man, I love my family more than anything, man, without them, I wouldn't even, you know, I wouldn't be here. Do you graduate high school?

Yeah, I graduated high school. I went to college too, you know, despite the way, you know, I look at everything. I'm educating, things like that. What was your high school experience like? Um, man, that was tough for me. That's why this whole thing I keep telling you, bro, it's a whole, it's a trip. Like to be here and to be somebody, you know, to have a voice and have a positive message. And every time I get noticed like back at home and things like that, it's always a positive interaction. I have not had one person try to like press me like, oh, you're that fool from Instagram. Like, because I don't put myself out there like that. You put out really good energy. Yeah. So in high school, it was completely different. I was like just a nerdy kid, bro. Just someone like I was easily taken advantage of, bullied a lot. Just f*** with. You know what I mean? And, you know, you know, know, to go from that and, you know, took me many years and I'm just finally coming into just being Anthony and being myself. And it's a good feeling. But yeah, definitely high school was hell. I know a lot of people can relate to that.

It's a hard time in the kid's life. But yeah, man. Did you have, like, a good friend group or you kind of alone? Now that I was a loner, bro. And that's the thing, you know, now that I see that the world isn't all bad because, you know, like I said, I grew up in like the system parts and shit like that. And I didn't have my family. So during that time, it kind of really made me, like, you know, introverted bad.

Like I was just in my own space and it kind of made me socially awkward in a way. It was hard for me to make friends. So I know it's not like those kids fault in high school or anything. You know, it was a part of me just, you know, always thinking like, you know, everyone's out to get me, you feel me? When you started getting fucked up? When I started getting— Alcohol, but were you doing drugs and everything? I was doing drugs.

I'm proud to say I'm officially four years clean off of the opiates and the pills and everything. I never got into hard drugs or anything like that. But I was on the perkeys and shit like that heavy, you know what I mean? RIP juice and all that. You know how that goes, you feel me? So I was on that heavy. But how did you get introduced to that? And you got introduced to drugs before alcohol?

Yeah, that's a funny thing. You know, usually it's a gateway. You know, you're a young kid getting drunk all the time. Me, I was clean all the way through high school. I didn't go to no parties. Like I said, I was just a nerdy kid, man. I'd rather be at home with my mom than kicking in. That's just how it was.

It was when I moved out and went to college. That's when, you know, I got to see a whole different side. I had freedom. I live on campus. You know, I'm just like, oh, fuck. Where did you go to college? I went to a small college out in Monterey's, Monterey State University

it used to be like an old army base so it was really small it's literally like a little bit bigger than my high school just a lot of young kids live there now and it was just like a whole party thing bro and that's where I got introduced to like rap

festivals and raves and that's where I was like oh okay the psychedelics the mushrooms the Molly the perks the everything I was just like I couldn't turn that switch off when I was away from those festivals so it was just kind of like

everything all at once yeah yeah I was just like boss oh fuck it I've always had an addictive addictive personality even as a kid if I was like super interested in say like you know Pokemon or sports cars I would just get hyper fixated and whatever the case was when I got older it became you know drugs alcohol and I didn't know how to control that because I've always just been like that it's a sickness not just when it comes to substance you know but when you went to college like did you start to feel like you kind of came into yourself in a way like you had more confidence or you like found your group in a sense or you're still not alone no no for sure the first year was kind of I went out there. I was trying to hoop, so I was trying to play basketball because that's what I wanted to be a basketball player, you know. My whole life is a kid, and that's what really got me through. But it didn't work out the way things were, but, you know, I got,

you know, close with a lot of kids out there. And then we moved off campus and that's where it really, you know, I started turning up and then, you know, smoking a lot of weed, doing pills and fucking just living that kind of fast lifestyle, you know. But yeah, I definitely kind of got out of my shell in a sense where, and I wasn't just me anymore. I'm able to, you know, I have homies now and it's, you know, so I'm glad because that is rough, bro. When you're alone, that's why I tell kids out there, man, you're never alone. You're never alone, bro. You don't let yourself feel that way. You know, sometimes it's not you're the problem, but get out there, you know, put yourself out there. You never know who's going to, you know,

be there for you if you, you know, are just too scared to ever try and then you'll never, you'll never really see what's happening. Yeah, like a lot of people kind of take it for granted that they just have like a base of friends that they grew up around and everything like that. I didn't have that at all. I get envious to that sometimes. Like, I have not known someone for more than five years out of my life that I've been close with you feel me like it's always been changed like as a kid we moved around a lot like my said like I said my parents um they were young so you know I don't expect them to fucking you know be doctors and shit when I'm you know 12 13 they were growing up too they're still in their 20s while I was you know about to be a teenager so

they're getting their shit together too so sometimes I see people who are like bragging about like yeah I'm still with the same people I was with since I was a kid yeah yeah and that sounds dope but When I think about it, like, I left my hometown when I was like 19. Yeah, shit. I moved to New York for seven years. You're doing the BMX thing, huh? Yeah, yeah. And I moved out here.

And it's kind of like every time you move somewhere, you're just naturally going to get further apart from your sort of friend group that you were with when you were younger, you know. Exactly, right. It's like a restart. So that happened a bunch of times. I went to a couple different, you know, elementary, a couple of different middle schools, a couple of different high school. Like, it was just like that.

And on top of being just socially fucking awkward, it was hard for me to, you know, you know, just develop connections and be close with people like that. if that makes sense. I just got more comfortable with just, you know, being by myself. Right. I feel you. So you were, were you like a ladies man? No, no.

I'm still not really, but I'm so shy in real life. Despite the way I look and everything or my videos, sometimes I, you know, I tell people this all the time. What's in front of the camera is literally just me. I don't have editors. I don't collab with people. It's just me in my car making a silly little video. So I'm able to play kind of a character. My message is true, 100%.

I stand on my sobriety and I'm trying to really help people. Well, I would think the hose would be all over you. No, bro, I promise you. I promise you no. It's funny enough Not even with TikTok That's like a big platform For you like advertising your services

The funniest part is It's mainly gay guys in my DMs I fucking love them though Shout out to the gay guys But no but they be the most Friacobological things They won't even say hi Nothing to be to like

Show me that or something crazy I'm just like damn You know yeah But no for the most part It's more that than than girls man I don't know if it's just because where I live Or I don't know I'm definitely not

Now more than ever before in my life I get that Like I look at Instagram Or on Twitter and I'll just see dudes being like, yeah, I want to just, I want to just,

I want to shuck you off. And I'm like, yeah, dude. It's like, it's like, take me out to dinner before you,

me, bro, like, for real. I don't want to say that because I feel like they're going to take it serious. No, yeah, yeah, exactly.

But I'm, I'm like, you know, I make some funny videos and shit where I say, you know, gay jokes and things like that.

And it's funny, the straight people would be the most offended by it. Like, because my following is mostly gay people. I don't know why. LGBT, whatever.

They're like, bro, how would you say that? You're going to be canceled. But those people are the ones that aren't even offended. You got to love woke people. Yeah, the gay people aren't the ones offended by what I'm saying. They know I'm joking and I'm so comfortable with my sexuality as a person that I can say some shit like, oh, I'll take 100 back shots for a fucking a million dollars. Like I say shit like that all the time.

They know I'm joking is my point. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I fucking, I don't know. So, okay, you're in college. You're kind of like in this whole world going to festivals, getting loaded, etc. Would you say that like SoundCloud rap or like that sort of air? music hit you real hard. Bro, I'm a failed SoundCloud rapper.

I watched a couple of your old videos. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. People re-uploaded, though. When I started getting heavy, heavy into drugs is when I, you noticed the complete drop in like the music, like it got shit. Like, it was terrible. It was decent at first.

At first when I was, and then you could tell when I was perked out making songs. And I'm just like, damn, it's embarrassing. So I try to wipe all that off the internet. Unfortunately, you know, there's been other people trying to re-upload it on YouTube and things like that for it's been like eight, 10 years before. Like, I haven't been doing music in that long. but that definitely was a huge part of it, man. Like, I remember my Baccet phase,

I found Juice World and he had like 750 followers on SoundCloud. And I was like, dude, this is a fucking, this is a shit right here, bro. And everyone I showed, I played it at college parties. Everyone's like, turn it off, blah, blah, blah. And literally months later, it's Juice World. You know, no one knew that. And I was just like, dude, watch. And then I did the same thing with another fucking artist.

And I was just like, bro, Trippie Reddit was. I played Love Scars. It's the first, like, hit hit. I played out of a party. And someone told me to turn it off. I'm like, this is the shit, bro. You don't even know what you're talking. I was heavy invested.

Like I was always, you know, keeping up with no jumper and you guys doing whatever you interviewing and all that or whoever's the hottest SoundCloud rapper at the time. I was, yeah, I was in that shit, but I was really living that life too, just I wasn't known. You know, I was still, you know, living that kind of fucking fast lifestyle and that's what, yeah, really got it bad and, you know, got to a point where I was just rolling by myself in my room at like 5 a.m. You know, watching rap videos, not even partying just by myself.

And that's- That sounds kind of fun. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, but that's just where I knew I had a problem and I was like, I couldn't turn it off. I dropped out of school, like college, you know what I mean? And I just let it consume who I was. Really? So you were just like in the crib just getting fucked up for a long time? Or how long were you able to pull this together? It was years, bro. Like I, that's why I try to stand on my message so heavy because don't waste your youth, bro. I wasted all my 20s damn near

being fucked up that I don't even remember. I have any good experiences to tell, you know, like because I was just so, like, you know, out of it, bro. And it's sad. But no, I, I, dropped out of college and then I stayed out there in Monterey. It's a really nice fucking white neighborhood by the ocean, you know. So I was trying to stay there as long as I could until I had no money. Move back home to Sacramento. And then, you know, I continued. I met a girl, obviously.

And we were living that lifestyle together. So it kind of, that's what spiraled me like to the darkest point in my life. So you guys were just kind of feeding off each other and doing drugs together? Yeah. I mean, it's sad because that's the only person I've ever really loved. You know what I mean? And I know that now. I've been sober so long and I've been out of that relationship for many, many years,

but I know that feeling was the only real experience that I've had. The sad part is it wasn't reciprocated, you know. So I loved her in that certain way and it was never loved for that. It was just the drug thing we were on, you know. She was in love with that lifestyle. And as soon as I wanted to not do that anymore, I went to rehab for pills and everything, I got out and it was over. Like, you know what I mean?

Yeah. So that's what I'm, you know, I'm just, as I get older and learn how life works is, you know, some people are meant to only be in your life for a certain amount of time. Dude, I have, like, memories of one time going over Juice World's crib and him and Ali Lottie were, like, crawling out of the room. And, like, it was, they had said, like, they were in there for, like, 24 hours plus just fully, like, detoxing off perks, trying to get their shit together because they had gotten, like, really bad.

Perks are hard, bro. Just seeing the way that they were just blatantly, like, feeding off of each other. Like, at that moment, they were trying to get off of it. But, you know, I'm sure it only lasted, like, a day or whatever. It was so hard. Dude, perks are so hard to get off, man. And it's, ah, it's so hard. It's because it's a withdrawal phase.

I tell everybody this, too, because my sobriety shit that I do online, it's not just, like, with alcohol, it's not just with drugs. It's, like, you can be addicted to other things, like, things of the flesh and things that aren't good for you anyways, like smoking. I'm trying to stop that. You can be addicted to sex. You can be a variety of things that aren't good for you, if not applied in the correct ways.

So I try to tell people, I'm like, bro, it's once you fix your mentality up here, you start looking at life differently and not everyone's out to get you. And, oh, poor me. You know, I mean, that's when you develop, you know, a sense of change in your true self. And you're like, you know, I'm just now finding about, like, who I actually am and growing into who I should have been this whole time. So what led up to you going to rehab? Like, how bad did it get before you made that choice? It was bad, man.

I remember I woke up and I was in a field. Oh, wow. Yeah. You know, I had, okay, let me backtrack a little bit before I get into that. COVID, right? That hit. And it was the best time in my life because I had my daughter. And I was very fortunate. Thank you. I was very fortunate because, you know, COVID really affected a lot of people in negative ways, lots of businesses, or made things hard in terms of money. I was very fortunate that I got to live with, you know, the baby mama's family and take care of my kid that whole time, you know? So that was just be a stay at home, you know what I mean? So I get to look back on that. And that was one of the biggest blessings, of course. But I wasn't able to, you know, fight that drug addiction. I just, it was always there. But I never got fucked up in front of.

of my kid. I was never high around the house. I would always just disappear. So that brings me back to I woke up in a field. You know what I mean? I was and I just didn't know what the fuck was happened. I had no shirt on, no shoes and it was like five, 10 miles away from, you know, the house I was staying at with her family. And I was just like, what the fuck, dude? And it was like broad daylight too. And I was just like by like a little highway people are driving by and like, I'm just like, what is happening? So I just, you know, walk my ass all the way back there. And by that time I got home, it was, you know, evening time. It was dark. And, you know, I came in through the back gate trying to sneak in, you know,

hop in the window or something so no one would notice, you know, because I've been gone for a couple days or something at the time. Her mom comes outside and it's emotional, but she tries to like, you know, say where I've been. She's trying to take after me. I just fucking start season. I fall back and just knock myself out. And I don't know what happened after that.

So, yeah, that was the first time I got like a scare like that. I had many seizures since then. But it's when I knew I had it really bad. And also, you know, it's not that I didn't want to get sober as soon. as soon as I held my daughter for the first time, and I know you can probably attest to this, bro, it changes you. And I just wasn't man enough to take care of that at the time. And it sucks.

It eats me alive to this day. I still, you know, regret the things I should have got sober. I just didn't, man. I wasn't ready. Everyone has our own time, you know. Yeah. It's such a bad feeling, like choosing something over your kid. It's the worst thing I've ever done in my life, bro.

You know, and that's why I'm so strong about staying sober and I'm adamant about, you know, just what I do now is she's the reason I'm alive. If I didn't have her, I've been gone, bro. Like 100%. I mean, a lot of young people, like, just don't really feel like they have anything to live for. And then once you have a kid, it just becomes, like, this massive pressure to, like, get your shit together. Yeah, I was nobody. And I was born.

Excuse me, she was born. I was 24 years old. And, you know, that's not that young, but it's still, I wasn't ready, you know. It doesn't matter what age you are. If you're not ready, that's a huge responsibility. And it's so sad because I, you know, that was my best friend. She was my everything, bro. I had her on the baby bejean all day, you know what I mean?

That was my little homie. I just, you know, like I said, I didn't man up and take care of her and get some. sober. So then how did you actually end up going to rehab? Like were you able to just afford it or somebody have to help you get in there or what? Yeah, they helped me. They helped me get out there. I made sure I went out of state because, you know, I know all the plugs out where I'm from. So I'm not going to be able to get sober if I'm just like, you know, withdrawals are bad. I've tried to get sober many times. So it doesn't work if you don't want it to work first of all. Second of all, if your relapse or excuse me, withdrawling, the only thing that's going to make that go away is to fucking pop another one,

you know? So I knew how to leave the state. I went out. to the south. I went to Kentucky and stayed there for 90 days. Do you have family there or? Do you know anybody there? No, I didn't really know anybody there. Like I said, I did that for a reason just so I went fresh start kind of thing. Got a little job at like a pizza place or something. Just a, you know, past time. Also, at the same time, you got to understand I lost my kid. I know because all of a sudden I'm, you know, raising her and I'm going to go to rehab and they cut off contact that day. Really? And I was just, I was thrown off. I thought it was going to be like everything was going to be.

Okay. So they were basically like, hey, you're not seeing this kid anymore until you get so. Yeah, I guess they had no idea that I was fucked up all the time, which like standing from the outside of the, how can you not know what I mean? But if you don't really know about drugs, like, true, they were older, yeah. When I think back, like, there was a girl that I used to kick back, used to kick it with before No Jumber took off who was like blatantly a meth head. And I did not know because I just didn't know about meth.

You know, it's like I just didn't understand that that's how she was acting. And I could never be tricked like that again. Like for sure now I would be like, oh yeah, I could tell what she's got going on, you know? Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah. It just threw me back. I was like, I just couldn't believe they had no idea. I'd been living there for a few years at the time, you know, by then.

And once I told them I needed to get help, man. Like instead of supporting, kind of, it was not necessarily that, you know. It was like, how could you do this? You have a kid to take care of? You're a loser. You know what I mean? Get the fuck away from us. Kind of.

But that first, it kind of eased me into it. But, you know, as I stayed longer and longer than months went by and rehab, they stopped FaceTiming me and they stopped contact. Oh, so at first they were kind of more supportive and then as you got to me. It was like kind of getting me out of the picture, you know? My daughter, she's Korean. So it's like that kind of life. It's just different.

You know what I mean? The culture, everything, that you're supposed to man up take care of your shit and, you know, I understand where they're coming from. But just at the time, yeah, it wasn't, it was one of the hardest things ever, bro. Even harder than getting sober is just the fact, you know, losing my kid. She's still here. I'm just, but I don't have her.

Yeah. How often are you able to see her? I'm supposed to be seeing it right now. I don't want to talk too much. I'm going to court. I've been going to court for the last three and a half years. I'm trying my best. I'm sober. I've been sober the whole time.

I've had a job the whole time. Just doing what I can. I've never, you know, I'm 30 years old. I've never been to jail. I've never even got a speeding ticket, nothing, bro. And I pride myself on that because I come from a place where that's normal. My uncles are both in prison right now. My dad's been, you know, through his own thing with jail.

I just grew up in that. So I'm very prideful on the fact that I, you know, my dad taught me better. And I have never been in that place. even on drugs, I never, you know, would steal or get into fights or I wasn't that. I was just a self-destructive drug addict, you know? But so you go to rehab and it just, it works? Like, you- It scared the shit out of me, but it scared me. And I told myself when you had the little circle meeting times, when everyone's sharing their

story and you see people that have, you know, just been in and out this rehab thing for like 20, 30 years of their life and they're still, you know, telling the same thing. Like, I want to get my kids back. I want to do this. Like, but I just, I relapsed yesterday and I'm here. You know, now it's just. Dude, it made me cry, bro. At the time my daughter was one year's old, and I was just like, how?

How did I let myself get here? Yeah. So I promised myself and I talked to God. I was like, I'm never going to come back here ever again, you know? So it just scared me straight, if that makes sense. I just never wanted to be in a place where I allowed myself to, you know. But it was a, like a respectable rehab because I hear stories sometimes from people about going to rehab and there's people doing drugs eating the rehab and shit.

Yeah, no, no, it was a very good experience for me. Of course. There's stories like that. I've heard many, you know, meeting people in that, you know, that have been rehabilitated or, you know, gotten sober. They have a lot of stories I've heard that are, way narlier than mine. I was fortunate enough. It was, it was pretty smooth.

Yeah, because, like, I have a friend who's actually on this podcast who has serious issues with drugs. And, like, we talked about, like, getting them into a rehab and stuff. And it's kind of, it kind of takes some of the motivation away because he'll be like, bro, I've been to rehab like 15 times. Yeah. Like, it doesn't work unless you're ready for it to work. It's the same thing as like church or whatever you want to say.

Or therapy. If you're not ready to go and actually, you know, they're not magicians. It's not going to magically make your problem go away. It's if you're ready to put in the work and, you know, actually change. That's what makes the difference. So I was at that time, like I said, it scared me. And I was like, I'm never going to come back here. And I'm never, never touch a drug since then, bro.

Like that's amazing. Yeah, that's just, you know. And then it became alcohol later. I was like two and a half years sober completely. And then I started because I never had that. Alcohol was never the part of it. I never had an alcohol phase ever. Like, you know, in high school sometimes, like at family events, I would get drunk.

But that's a normal high school shit, you know, and I'm with my family. I'm safe. I never went and partied or went to high school parties, college parties, and drank ever. You know, I was just, you know, by the time I got to college, I was popping pills and smoking weed. That's what I would go party of. So the alcohol thing was completely new and that quickly got out of hand really fast. Were you just cocky?

Like, I have already beaten this drug thing? Because I know people who like beat, you know, meth or, you know, meth or Coke or whatever, and then they still drink and are able to kind of manage that, which is kind of crazy to me. I was hoping that's what would happen. And not like I was cocky or anything like that. It was like I was still going through this whole new, you know, I lost the love of my life, my daughter's out of my life, her whole family that I had gotten really close to, you

know, they're no longer a part of my life. I was really depressed and I was just fighting, fighting in court, nothing happening. You know, I'm working. I'm sober. And then it's just, you know, nothing was going my way. And it's just not an excuse, but I allowed it to become one. And that's, you know, I started drinking. And there's nothing other than that's a decision I made.

And, you know, I have to stand on it. But we all make mistakes, man, you know. Yeah, definitely. But so how bad did the alcoholism get? It got bad quick. You know, I make these videos now and it's, you know, it's satire in a way because that's, I used to drink these drinks. You know, now I'm making videos where I pour it out and shit.

So it's kind of a little message because it's like who puts a fucking, you know, whatever they're addicted to right in their face and doesn't do it. You know what I mean? It's like giving Coke to a Coke addict. And they're just like, oh, I'm not going to do it. But do you just start making those videos before you go sober? No, that's the thing. Okay, the whole thing, I never wanted to be a content person or whatever.

Like, whatever I am now is amazing. It's a blessing. I love doing it. I fucking love this shit. It keeps me sober. But it never was in the cards. Like, I wasn't like, I'm going to do this. I randomly just pulled up out of fucking stoplight one day.

And I was drinking these drinks, like I said before every day. Like, I was just getting fucked up. But your way of getting fucked up, like, just for people who don't know what we're talking about in your video, sometimes you'll take like a. big gulp cup. Oh, bro. Oh, shit, no way.

Bro, bro, I'm gonna make- yeah, okay, here we go. You know. And you'll dump like a whole bottle of tequila in there and then like the red cul-aid packet. Bro, I'm about to put you all on. This was one of my favorite ones of all the time. But, you know, long story short, this is how the very first video I ever made was

when I'm about to make you guys right here. And I did it at a stoplight. And I just uploaded it randomly to TikTok and I got like a million views in a day. Like the next day I checked out. I was like, what the fuck? Just, but I just. But I jugged most of the drink while I did it, you know what I'm saying? So that was the video back when I was fucked up.

And I just, I don't know what got into me that day. I was just like, I'm going to fucking make a drinking. But when you were drinking, this was your way. Because I feel like the more like, okay, the buzzball. Yeah, I'm going to put you all along. Even like my boy that I was talking about, like he drinks buzz balls. And it's like he's been getting fpped up for so long. It's so crazy to me that his way of drinking is like something that involves this crazy.

It looks like it's for a kid, you know? It looks like it's a children's toy. I promise you this. Okay, you start with the sour patch kids, bro. You put that like that, right? Yeah. I'm going to put all this shit in the trash. Be respectful.

Nah, but it was so random, like I said, bro, I wasn't ever trying to be a content person. I was doing this type of shit and just fucking every day I got off work, this was what I would do to get fucked up. Just crazy, wild drinks that I just made up, you feel me? And then, yeah, I just, my bad, bro. No, that's cool. Just go crazy.

All right, and you put the ice like that. And then fucking, and the Titos. I got a little one because you don't need a whole bottle. It'll fuck you up. Usually, dude, what I would do, get a fucking, you know, the Kool-A packet and I get a regular-sized bottle of this and I would make the drink with a whole bottle of vodka. That's the type of shit out of going. Sugar fiend? Because, like, how much sugar is in the fucking Kool-A?

There's no. There's no sugar in the Kool-A. You have to add sugar. Oh, really? No, you're not from the hood. You got to add sugar to the Kuley, brother. I probably haven't made Kool-Aid since I was like eight. Nah, I'm from the hood either.

But, no, it has no sugar in this. But, yeah, definitely, that's what they were telling me when I went to the doctor because I eventually, you know, got health issues because of drinking like this. Or I would do stupid videos I'm just chugging a whole bottle of alcohol Like I'll crack it Chug the whole fucking thing Steve will do it method Yeah yeah exactly

That's like Steve will do it man Full sin that shit you know And then But I kind of did that Kind of like Did a speed run on my liver You know

So I was only drinking like this For like nine 10 months That's it You know Before I started getting sick Really bad Were you always a sugar fiend Like

No no It's just I found a way Bro It's like sip as syrup bro Like you know what I'm saying Like I found a way To make alcohol

Not taste like shit And then you know people that tell me they try the drinks now they're like bro this shit is gas and I'm just like I tell you I'm trying to put y'all on for those of you who don't need to get sober you know not everybody has to get sober yeah it's all good to have fun yeah you know what I mean so I tell those people I'm like bro I'm trying to put y'all on bro I'm trying to put y'all on so you put the kulek in the fucking vodka you know what I'm saying and you dump the whole thing with the fucking sour patch case you know oh yeah it's already looking right and tight though it's already looking right and tight oh yeah and the fucking little buzzball

Do you ever drink like the virgin versions of these with without the alcohol? I do now, yeah. Yeah, I do. Sorry, this takes concentration, bro. No, for sure. Some lemonade just a little bit, bro. You don't need a lot of lemonade, but yeah. And this shit right here, we'll get you right.

And I'll have you nodding, bro, I'm telling you. And the thing that also really killed my liver was I would do all this and I'd probably have like a red bull with it too. And I'd put it in there. And that's what really f***ed up because that's like an old school for a lot. You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, dude, you're killing your fucking kidneys and your liver right now. That's an era that I'm very thankful that I survived was the OG for local era. Yeah, I'm trying to fucking make a mess on a set, bro.

Go crazy. All the ice, my bad, brother. That's a vibe. No, I had homies who were like going out drinking with me and waking up in the hospital and shit. I'm like thankful I never hit that. Yeah, no. All right, who's going to try it though? For sure, I'm going to try it.

All right, bet. Also, I'll clean this up if you guys could give me something though. It's cool. I feel bad. I didn't figure it out. I do this to my car. My car, my car smells like a straight casino, bro. It's fucking straight alcohol and fucking cigarette smoke all day.

It's probably strong. If you're not a drinker, bro, it really, you know what I'm saying? It'll fuck you up. Yeah, that's pretty strong. But I got, you can fucking add more of this throughout the- Throughout the gummy bears to, like, travel to the top of the sour patch kids. You know what the trick of the Sour Patch kids is soaks all the alcohol in, so it's like a fucking little surprise at then.

You start eating them and get more fucked up, bro. I'm telling you. So you get to the end and it's like way more intense? Yeah. But if you're not a drinker, but it's definitely. fucking, it's potent for sure. Oh man, I wish Lush was here so I could have him. This is like his dream comes true.

Holy shit. But so you would make something like this in the morning and that would just be your day? Or do you got to like re-up a couple times? No, so that would pretty much be my day. The curse was I had night shift for about a year and a half. I was working night shifts. I work construction. So like in that industry.

So what we were doing was working on freeways. And I started at like 6 p.m. And then we'd get off at like 7 a.m. And that's when liquor store is open. So I'm straight to the liquor store. store and I'm able to get f*** up because I didn't have to be at work till five you know what I mean so I can be fucking blacked out all day long and still be good to wake up for work and just be normal I was never like um drinking on the job or fucking it didn't take over me like that but I was definitely getting

fucked up any chance I could if that makes sense no yeah definitely that was like actually my first exposure to drinking is when I was like 16 17 there was a there was like a landscaping company in my town and they would call you when it snowed really bad if you if you signed up and you would basically go out and like help shovel snow, but they'd call you like two in the morning and yeah, yeah. And I would be out there with these dudes who are like in the 30s and 40s and shit and they would have beers tucked and like whiskey bottles and shit. The Lodella time is real, bro. Yeah, they would be getting loaded. And that's like the first time that it ever kind of got introduced to me. I'm like, oh, people don't just drink at parties.

People drink while they're at work to get through work. To get through the day. People's lives be hard and dude, this should be sad, bro. We're just all trying to survive for real. And that's what I start to notice as I get older. It's like, bro, my life isn't at, as hard as I used to think, you know, we all deal with stuff, black, white, rich, poor from the hood from the fucking suburbs, bro. Like, death is real. We lose someone that hits the same, you know what I mean? You know, so I'm just learning how to navigate through life, sober, not relying on a

substance to be happy and just understanding that the world isn't out to get me. So can you go to a house party where everybody's getting loaded and you're just having a good time hanging out or is that the kind of thing you need to avoid? In the beginning, I'm going to be straight up. I was a straight hermit crab first 10 months of getting sober from alcohol. I had to be. And it's funny, you know, because I was a drug addict and I have been an alcoholic. And the hardest thing for me was getting sober off the drink.

Really? Simply because it's literally everywhere we go. Gas stations, grocery stores. Like at my house, literally back where I'm from is anywhere. Liquors are everywhere, bro. And all you need is your fucking ID. So that shit was so hard to get sober from, bro. Like the pills, I just cut off the plug, you know, kill the script.

I'm done. You know, it was a little bit easier for me. And I know that sounds weird because drugs is very hard as well. But it's like, you know, if you don't want to be around. Yeah, yeah, you don't have to see it. It's not in your face. Out of side, out of mind. Alcohol, bro, it's socially acceptable.

So for me, I had to literally just, I was going to work, coming home, making videos, going to bed. That's it. For 10 straight months, that's all I would do because I wasn't strong enough to be around it. Now, you know, I could be around. I'm good. What kind of videos were making at that time? Because I'm interested in how your content sort of evolved to the state that is now. When I started getting the liver problems, you know what I'm saying?

And it was nothing crazy. At the time, it's like stage one, you know, failure. It's nothing crazy. But I didn't, I wasn't educated on that. So it scared my out. I can't take myself out the game. I have a daughter to be here for, you know, I'm not going to go out like that. I'm literally nobody.

Like, I've done nothing with my life but be a drug addict and alcoholic, a loser, somebody who's, you know, just allowed the world to take over who he was. And I can't go out like that. So I started making my sobriety videos, bro, and I never, ever could have thought, you know, it would be anything. It's not big by any means, but to me it's fucking crazy. Everywhere I go in my city, people know who I am. And they take pictures.

You go $350K on TikTok or something? I don't even post on TikTok. Oh, you don't. That's not you? No, I do now. I had a million on TikTok before. I got banned. I had another 500 pay.

It's just because I was drinking at the time. So I guess I don't know, I don't know, I don't get reported a lot. I don't fucking know. That was what I was thinking about. I was like, TikTok typically, I'm pretty sure that they like, they know what bottles are alcohol bottles and they don't ban you for that. But I see people that, you know, pop off on there that were doing the same thing. And they're still doing it. And I'm just like, there's like cut the activist, Johnny Sips.

There's people on there that'd be fucking making drinks and just, you know, talking about alcohol. the time and never get taken down but i definitely would have had well over a million followers if they never deleted my thing but we're gonna hit a million on instagram we're at 700 000 and that's only i started posting in january of 2025 so it's all fairly new like i literally had a couple thousand followers on instagram and then it went yeah and then it went to fucking what it is and just from my my silly little videos bro and it's just i'm on fucking no jumper right now just from you know making drinks and pouring them out but it's bigger than that it's the it's what i'm trying to put out there into the world it's never too late to change it's never too late to

recorrect the wrongs you've done in your life. If you want to be anything, you can. No one's better than anyone else. We all have the ability to make what we want of life, you feel me? For sure. How do you keep it like, or in terms of like the videos, like, how do you keep it interesting? How do you, because it's kind of like you could just do the same thing over and over, but at some point you got to like switch up.

That's where I'm at right now, bro, for real. I'm just like, I don't know what else I can do to continue, you know. That's why this thing is, this means a lot for me, bro. It's a big blessing. I've never been on like local podcast, nothing. my first one to be no jumper, bro. It's super sick, bro. It's like, it's a huge blessing.

I just want you to know, man. It's like, not like fanned out or anything, but I grew up on this shit, bro. And it's like, I respect everything you've done and what you've built, bro. It's fucking amazing. And to be here is something so surreal to me, you know? So, yeah, but I never, never thought it would, you know, do anything, bro, never. People really rock with me and they want to see me stay sober. Whereas, like I said before, you know, you're asking about high school.

I didn't have no one. I was alone, you know? And I know it's just the internet of people could say, like, it's just strange. But they really rock with me, bro, and they really support what I'm doing. And like I was saying also, bro, I've never had a negative interaction. No one ever tries to press me. No one's like, oh, you're that fool from Instagram. It's good, you know, because I'm not putting myself out there like that.

I'm just, you know, I want to help people and I'm sharing my story and they're navigating to that. And I'm only being me, nothing else. You know, I don't have money. I don't make money from social media. I'm still just a normal guy. So no money from social media? Because I don't think Instagram, they got like the reels bonus, which I've never really been able to part-econ.

I promise you, bro, absolutely zero dollars. I have not made shit. Is it, have you tried? On TikTok, I was making like three, four thousand a month, but I was, the thing was, I was just reinvesting it because alcohol is expensive as shit. That's what I was thinking too. So at that time, I was just, you know, that's when I was drinking everything. So I was like, I'm drinking for free, but I'm getting paid to also make these videos

and hundreds of hundreds of videos of me just getting fucked up. That's what I was doing. And then, ever since then, no social media has paid. It must have been depressing, though, to lose out three, fours a month. It helps a lot, bro. Like I said, that to some people might not be anything. For me, where I'm from, I never grew up with. But, you know, that was a lot for me on top of my normal job, which is, you know, I was chilling, you know, I was fucking eating wherever I wanted, buying whatever kind of shoes I want, you know, I was, it was a good time.

But you haven't been able to get re-monetized on TikTok after that first time? No, I have one now, like you said, it's almost at 400K, but I haven't posted there in, like, in fucking months. It's because I don't know what it is. Like, I'll get the views. It's just I'm not getting paid for them. And it's like, I'm not going to put on all that work, you know. And I don't know if being lazy or not, because I still do it for Instagram and I don't get paid. But over on Instagram, it's more so of I'm trying to.

actually help people. And so I'm, I'm in the DMs, I'm messaging people. I'm thanking them for everything they do because they literally help change my fucking life and save me from something much more valuable than money. You know, that doesn't mean money ain't shit. We can't take it. You know, they've actually helped me in a dark place just by being supportive. So I try to take the time and make it, you know, my thing to show love back, you know.

But so when it comes to, have you tried YouTube shorts? I haven't. No, I've seen some fake pages of me on there, but I've never made my own and tried it out. I think I should. I mean, the money is not great, but it's, It's like, you know. It's better than nothing, you know. I feel like you can get, if you get a million views, you might get like a couple hundred bucks.

Yes, yeah, that's cool. It's not bad. Yeah. I mean, it costs me, what, like 40 bucks to make one of these videos? If that, maybe like 20, 30 sometimes. Right. You know, so if I'm making that much of a profit, then that's all that matters. I'd be doing some shady shit if I were you.

I would take the same tequila bottle. We don't fill it up with water. No, no, I have people hell of doing that, you know, saying that I'm like, no, but I promise you. I'm really, I'm really serious when it comes to my sobriety, man. Right. And I think it's a huge statement, like you said, when I'm just, you know, pouring out the alcohol. Yeah. Because that's not me, no more.

I don't need that shit. But I feel like you have this sort of, like, method that you do where you start the video off with, like, a crazy attention getting statement. And then it goes into the rest of it. And then all this already is clickbait. Just looking the way I look, you know, could be clickbait to an extent, you know. So I know sometimes I'll be saying outlandish shit just for the views. But at the end of the day, the message is the same, you know, and the people that take the time to not just judge me off the appearance. And they're actually understanding, like, what I'm about.

or just even, you know, give me a chance like you are just to, you know, share my little piece about who I am. You can see. When you show you're not that kind of guy. I had full fucking sleeves and everything. My whole neck, my whole face. Everything was done before the black. And as I, you know, got sober off alcohol,

in a weird way, it became like my therapy. I don't know if that sounds corny or whatever, but it literally got me through, you know, just being able to maintain stings. Getting tattoos. Yeah, just getting the blackout. The blackout is the most painful fucking shit I can ever. Like, I can't even.

explain. So like I have everything from the fingertips to the fucking the jugular. That was, you know, he's holding me down. I'm just like, oh, you see God. I mean, it's bad enough getting tattooed, but then like to get the all black of just dragging it over. I'm telling you, you see God when you feel that kind of pain. I was just like, oh, it's like a, it's a whole life experience for sure. Yeah. And I don't, I don't, I don't pop pills or anything. But if I was going to, it would be getting tattooed. It was so bad. I'm such a, too, when it comes to get tattoos. It's like, I don't like it. And I'm a, bro, I'm straight up. I'm, I had everything tattooed before. And so if I have a chance and my artist is cool with it, I'll use

numbing cream sometimes now when I'm doing shit like the ribs or the fucking stomach. Like, I don't care. I've already felt everywhere before without it and just being fucked up and young and just getting any tattoos I can. So I already experienced all the fucking pain in the head, everything. Like all the face was, no numbing shit. So now when I do heavy sessions like black,

yeah, put that shit on, bro. I remember the first time I went to get tattooed and the guy was like, hey, I got some numbing cream you wanted. And I'd never even heard of it. I'm like, for real? This is like a long time ago. And I was like, yeah, I'll try it. And as soon as we started going, I'm like, what the fuck was I doing getting tattoo without this shit? I'm telling you. But then it's like a curse because in like three hours into the tattoo, it all comes.

And you're like, oh, and you feel it 10 times worse. But, nah. But what tattoos did you have initially that you wanted to get blacked out? I had like a dragon ball. Zee little sleeve on the half sleeve here. Just a bunch of shit that, you know, was just young and I didn't have any money at all, just getting filled up wherever I could, you know. Not necessarily bad ink.

You know, I had a cool portrait of a line here. I had like prayer hands. It wasn't bad, but it just wasn't, you know, I don't know. So I just started to get blackout. I didn't want to be that person anymore. I didn't want to see that dude in the mirror if that makes sense. You know, I had like 20, 30 little face tattoos before the time. I mean, tattooing is so crazy when you think about it because it's like, if I showed you a photo of you or me from 10 years ago,

whatever shirt you're wearing probably is not a shirt that you would think was all that cool right now. But like when a girl goes and gets a chest piece, like above her. her tics. Yeah. I mean, what are the odds that you're still going to think

that that shit is dope 10 years from now? And now people do the traditional tattoos largely because it's like, okay, this is the most classic thing that you could get.

But like, I mean, so many chicks when I think about it, like, when I was 21, the girls I thought were super hot with chest pieces. I'm like,

that shit probably looks so stupid now. Thanks, bro. And I'm no better. Dude, I'm the first one to say, like, I do not think I look cool. I think I look ridiculous. Most days I wake up

and I'm like, bro, what the fuck did you do? Like, damn it, bro. Like, I wasn't that half bad looking before all the tattoos, you feel me? So I'm not like, I'd be adamant about telling, you know, people out there like, don't get face tattoos, bro. It really does affect your life. I'm blessed and I have a job because my resume is good. So I'm able to have, you know, a decent job.

And it doesn't affect me in that way. But if someone that doesn't have that, especially a younger person, it will fuck up your life. You know, yeah, just don't do it, bro. It's not something I walk around thinking I'm hard. No, I don't. It's crazy, like, looking back at that Santa Cloud era because it was like I was meeting a different kid with a crazy face tattoo, like every week. Yeah.

And there's some notable examples of, like, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, Frank face tattoo. That really stands out. Yeah, that was crazy. But then, like, you know, I remember, like, going to Honehounds with, yeah, shout out, my boy. I remember going to, like, Whole Foods with my girl, and there's, like, two, like, kids with just hell of face tattoos, and they just looked like Lil Zan wannabes.

And I'm just kind of looking at them, and they're, like, looking at me. And I'm just thinking, like, bro, the world is being taken over by these little but you don't really see it that much anymore. No, it was a fad for sure. Yeah. For sure. And unfortunately, I had so many of them that I tried to get them some lasered off. That shit hurts so bad.

It hurts so bad. So I was like, let's just start covering them. You know, I'm too far deep now. It's just I'm doing a bunch of tribal over it. We call it goth tribal. I don't know. We made it up. But just working on a bunch of just shit to cover the old ones.

And I'm not even halfway done. It'll be a bunch of layers and layers. Yeah. It'll be something, you know? Are you going to black out like your whole, I've seen you have a bunch of chest tattoos and shit. You're getting that blacked out too? The old ones? Oh, like on your chest, yeah?

Oh, yeah, I'm working on... We're doing the whole torso, bro, so I'm working on the chest right now. But you're going to cover up that... No, I'm going to keep the Hanian mask. This is Japanese traditional right there. I'm going to keep this, black out all this, and just... I have my whole back piece, like, you know, is blank, so we're working on something crazy sick. So I'm just going to be, like, just blacked out everywhere and just have a dope-ass leg pieces and fucking back and try to make it, you know, salvage as much as we can.

You know, I don't know where I'm going with it. This is, like, creation of my madness of just getting sober. just my life. I don't know. It's funny because somebody like MGK did like the same thing. I was already on it. I just don't have money so I can't do it like as much as, you know, he just did it in a couple sessions because he's rich and he's able to do that.

I've been working on mine for years, you know. I don't know what tattoos he had before, but like him having been, you know, famous and rich like a long time ago, probably had a bunch of gay-ass tattoos. That's what I'm saying. You know. Yeah. I can relate to it.

I have, yeah, I had a bunch of what do they call on Pinterest. You know, I think that's what my sleeves beforehand were considered. a bunch of just basic shit, you know, that anyone would get that wants a tattoo, butterfly, fucking sword, a fucking heart with the name or something, you know what I'm saying, just basic-ass shit.

Yeah. So I just wanted to cover it. That wasn't who I was anymore. And like I said, with the face tattoos, I had so many little ones. And that just reminded me on my like drug addict phase, bro. I just wanted to, you know, it's not that I look any better now, but it's, I don't see that kid no more. And you never became a weed smoker during all this?

No, I don't, I never really liked weed. And unfortunately, never really helped me out, like, in ways. that it does chills people out. It always made me super anxious, super fucking paranoid. And that's the only experience I've ever had with weed. You know, I hit the wax pen sometimes at night now. And it does chill me out. Like I said, all this shit's new to me, bro.

But everywhere I go, I'm going to a grocery store. I go to the gas station. People come up to me and they know in my town. Because it's so small, it's not like content creator. It's not like L.A. where it's just normal to see someone. So they actually are surprised and they want pictures. And that shit is cool.

And I'm appreciative to all those people out there, man. I love you guys. You did help save my life. But at the end of the day, I'm still that, you know, very introverted person. So I'm just figuring out a way to, you know, calm down and just be cool. Because my thought, you know, is growing up where I came from and everything. It's like, okay, was that person out to get me, you know, now that they may think I have something. I don't just because I have a following. I don't have shit.

Nothing in my life has changed monetarily wise, you know, nothing. My life's a set. That's the weird thing about this short form content era is that it used to be like you would know somebody who was a YouTuber. And they were making like a significant amount of. money every month and now it's like with the short form shit you have to be gigantic yeah bro that profitable dude like fucking 100k back in like 2016 is like can you know 10k now you know what i mean or like vice versa whatever it's like it was so like you're walking around with 100k back in 2016 people were like thinking you're the shit you know now nowadays 100k is like 10k 5k it's like nah it ain't

nothing you know because it's so easy especially on ticot that's the easiest shit to grow on yeah it's so easy bro it's so follower inflation it's yeah exactly Exactly. It's all you literally need is no secret sauce, nothing. Just be consistent and post every single day no matter who says what. That's it. That's it. That's it. And eventually it's going to be somewhere, you know. I look back at our analytics from like 2017, 2018. And there's so many factors.

But like, okay, number one, there was no short form content. So it's like if you were a YouTuber, like that was kind of it, you know? And then like in addition to that, it was like I would interview a rapper. And then that interview would keep getting views over and over a long period of time. time and now that doesn't happen anywhere near as much. Like a couple weeks maybe. Yeah. And then it just tapers out and almost every, like there's some interviews that still will do

a decent amount of views, but it's just the short form content just took away the long form content to such a crazy extent. I still feel like I'm like figuring it out, you know? There'll be clips on yours that go way more viral just on short form. Like I see it on TikTok. It's not even posted by you or your team or nothing. And it's just getting millions and millions. You know what I'm saying?

And it's like, you go to the interview and it's like, damn. Like, you know, that shit kind of killed certain things. in a way, especially when it comes to YouTube. That used to be the only source of, okay, I'm going here because I want to watch this. You know, now it's just everywhere and kids can blow up from being clippers and, you know, just posting shit about their favorite artists and they're getting rich off just posting an interview with someone. The clipper wave is- Yeah, yeah.

It's just fucking over-killed everything, bro. Because it used to be that people clipped just to like grow their social media accounts and now people clip as a job. Like that's kind of, and as a result, our shit, unless it's like unbelievably obviously viral, it's just not going to really get clipped in the same way. It's fucking strange. That's why I have to say certain things sometimes when I do videos are just fucking, you know, that dark humor should are just, you know, do something different.

That's not, it's just sad, bro. You can't just only be yourself and expect it to go anywhere. I keep seeing like skate clips that will have text over the screen. Yeah. And it'll say, like a lot of it's gay shit. It'll say, yeah, bro, I'm telling you. It'll say something about getting pegged. The gay stuff will go crazy.

And then they'll have like, you know, 150,000 likes. And it's just like a dude doing a kickflip down a five stair. And it's got a caption about that's it's kind of funnier like shocking. Like saying some weird gay shit. And then like somehow that just works now. I'm like, what is this? What has become of this? Bro, I'll notice that especially when I was first starting to actually go viral like on Instagram when it came to that.

I was noticing like when I started my videos, boom, I'll slam the cup of eyes. It goes everywhere. I'm hey, I'm a recovering alcoholic. I'm this many day sober doing that kind of video compared to boom, I'm a recovering alcoholic. And I also like d. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just saying shit like that, that goes way more viral. Just the first couple seconds mean everything to it, you know?

Yeah, that's something aware. It's just such a toxic thing at the same time, you know, because views and everything, like, it still blows me away. I looked at the analytics at the end of 2025. I had 650 million views just on Instagram for the year. That's fucking crazy for me. Like, bro, I've never done anything like with my life in terms of social media. So almost, you know, a billion close to just in one year off of views is crazy to me.

But have you thought about, like, starting a YouTube. channel and doing like, you know, I don't know how to, I don't know how the algorithm works on any of these things. Like I said, I just got lucky because Instagram kind of flipped and kind of made it like a TikTok to where the short shit's blowing up on there as well. So that kind of, I was like, okay, I understand TikTok. I'm going to just bring it over here. The last time I got banned on TikTok, I was like, I'm just trying on here, you know, so. No, yeah. I mean, I was looking at, for some reason I came across like some old Instagram posts of mine from like 2018. Yeah. And I was saying to my girl, I'm like, how the fuck was I getting 50,000 likes on a random

shitty photo of me in 2018. And she was like, don't feel bad. Because everybody got so much more engagement at that time. Because think about it, the only thing to show you was your friend's post. And now when I go to Instagram, I barely see my friends post. I see real of people I've never met. Everyone wants to be a creator or something's that, like, you know what I mean? Or an influence or whatever you want to call it.

It's so competitive. So it's very hard. And I notice a lot too, when they switch the algorithm, bro, it's not about how many followers. you have. That's more so like a ego boost. It's like it's cool to have, but it's not really, uh, it doesn't really, you know, go into like hand to hand with how many views are likes you get. It's completely random. The internet's random now. Like a video will pop off, get a million in a day and the next one I post will get like, like, fucking 100,000, you know, views. And I'm just like, what? It's the same video. I was just looking at this, you know what I'm saying, that I, uh,

am aware of and like, you know, he's got three million followers. Yeah. And he'll have a video here and there that gets a couple million views but then in between that it'll have a lot of tictox to get like 10 15k or whatever exactly bro so that's why i noticed too i'm like bro it's not all about that because you can get you know lost in this shit you know it is cool to go viral and it does pump me up and like i'm gonna wake up tomorrow i make five videos but that's not what it's about if i can even help you know five 10 people i've already and i'm you know if this gets deleted tomorrow i have to be happy with what i've done already you know because i never thought i would be a person that would ever be an influence to anybody being where i came from jog out of it going through alcohol abuse all that

shit. I never thought I would inspire anybody to want to get sober or help them. I've had people come up to me while eating or being with my mom, shopping, whatever. And say, I've changed their life with my videos. My stupid-ass videos, that doesn't even make sense to me, bro. It's not me. It's God put me in a position and I'm trying to, you know, just, you know, do whatever I can with it. And I've already done more than I've ever imagined. So I've already won, you know what I mean? I don't care if this goes anywhere. If it does, it's awesome. I'd like to do for a living, go and do motivational speaking and shit like that. But if nothing happens for me, I'm already happy. I feel like you could do a lot of different things. Like, I feel like you should

try to start figuring out what your 10 minute YouTube video type content would look like. And I also, have you ever thought about boxing? I only say that because I'm kind of like associated with this now. Brother, brother. It seems like a real opportunity. You probably know a little bit of me, yeah. Brother, my 16-year-old brother and my 21-year-old brother back at home, love you guys. He told me, he's like, bro, you got to find a way to get into that Aiden Ross boxing thing.

I was like, bro, all right, I'm going to try to bring it up to him when I get on there. I'll try to think of a way. I was like, bro, maybe I'll call out Charleston White, you know, I'll see him. see the hands, bro. They're trying to put Charleston in this big aims right now. But like, no, just I think that would be awesome or just for more exposure or anything like that. I'm not a fighter by any means, but I'll just have a good time and I'd love to do something like

that. Maybe take both the Island Boys at once or some shit, you know? You know, you know what I'm saying? Or, hey, Y. K.O. Cyrus was good. And I'm saying, no, it's all love. It's all love at the end of the day, bro. But I think it would, you know, just being in a space is somewhere I never thought I could get.

And, you know, once now I'm getting my toes in the water. It's smaller than I thought. You know, the circle once you're in it, it's kind of like, oh, you know, I'm on no fucking jumper, bro. And then you've, you know, you're a fucking goat in this shit, you know? So I'm saying, like, there's so many, you know, ways you can get into it. No, because you know, when I really started thinking about that was when I was at the Aiden Ross fight. And, you know, he's introducing some of the fights on the undercard. And it's like, this dude is from XQC's community.

So, like, SQC, one of the biggest streamers. Yeah, yeah. He's not going to box, but he's got like a dude who's like a really legit boxer that's part of his whole little scene. And then he's got like another guy and it's like, oh, this guy's from stable Ronaldo's fucking community. See, I'm not trying to fight someone who knows how to fight like that. But I just started thinking, I'm like, maybe that's what I need to do is like have like the no jumper community of boxes. Oh, I'm on it. So I can help them to like get more into that world.

You know, because that could really help like grow a lot of people's careers and shit. Like everyone. Yeah, everyone can eat off. I don't really know how I would make money off of it necessarily, but whatever. I think it would just be sick. It would just be cool. They'd revamp some shit, you know, get some motion, you know. But yeah, that's funny that you brought that up, my littlest brother, he's, bro.

He'd be tripping out that I'm on no jumper, bro. He's like, you definitely got to get on the boxing thing. You can do it, man. I was like, I'll try. You know, I don't want to. I'm not like I said, I don't move like that. But I believe things happen for a reason. And if, you know, you're the one who brought it up, so I was figured I'll open up and tell you about it.

You have a lot of the years? I have a lot of what? Fights? No, that's the thing. I've gotten my ass swept when I was a little kid a couple times by like bullies and shit, like I said, you know, middle school, high school and things like that. But I was never, now I've, what one kid's ass bad.

Okay, I'll tell you this story, bro. I was like 20. Me and my family were just kicking it in the garage in our house. Literally, we're just, you know, having a good time, just a Friday night, you know, chilling my mom and dad, just family, you know, and I'm just in there. And some van pulls up, bro.

And this is at the time I was trying to do SoundCloud rap. I was just trying to make something myself. I just dropped out of college and, you know, just trying to find myself at 20 years old, you know, you know how that goes. They're not going to make the best decisions. But anyways, the van pulls up and he's like, hey, your kid's sway.

I was like, what the fuck? I literally have no followers. Like, a fucking thousand at the time. I'm like, yeah, what's up? And then I go up and he's hell of cool to me. And I just dapp him up. I'm like, what's good, bro? He's like, I like, I like, I like, oh, that's lit.

Dude, I didn't see his homie got out the fucking side of the fucking sucker punches me in the back of the head. For no reason? And while I'm talking to his friend in front of my family's house, bro. So I was like, oh. And then my dad hopped out. He fucking, you know, goes in the house, hops out with a baseball bag. He's all getting a truck.

Because these fools drove off. And I was like, no, no, please. And we found these fools, and he made me beat his ass. And he's holding the bat the whole time because there's three of them. He's like, bro, any of you jump in, I'm going to beat the fuck out of you. It's one-on-one with the dude who, you know, sucker punch my son right now. And they really just did this just on some cloud chasing. I don't even know because I didn't have nothing.

I was just, you know, just a kid just trying to, you know, just make his stupid videos like I do now. Sometimes I do shit like I chug raw eggs and I'll just do silly viral shit sometimes now. And I was trying to do that back then. I was trying to learn how it works and everything. And it was so off guard. But like I said, I didn't want to, and I'm not a fighter. And my dad, you know, you made me do that. And I beat the kid's ass.

And afterwards, I hugged on him because I'm just not like that, you know. But he's like, no, he can't, you can't have someone come to our house and disrespect you in your house. You know what I mean? So that's the only like real, real fight that I've actually been in. But no, I'm not much of a, you know, a troublemaker as a kid. Like I said, I've never been to jail or anything. My whole life, I'm 30 years old. So, you know.

For sure. Um, shit. So, okay. Do you have a girlfriend at this point or? No. I've been, you know, like I said, I've only loved that one person in that way. You know, there's been others after that, and I've tried to, but I've noticed I'm too, you know, if I'm not ready and healed as a human being or as a man, it's not going to affect anyone in the right way when it comes to a relationship.

And getting older, I realize that. And I still am just, you know, at this point, I've been hurt so many more years than I've actually, you know, dated the mother of my child. Like, I've been affected longer than I've ever, way longer than I've ever been with her. That's how fucked up it, like, really hurt me. You still communicate with her? No, I haven't spoken her in years, but only in court. You know, I'm not supposed to talk about it. I have nothing bad to say about her by any means, you know, she did what's best for our

daughter at the time. It's just I hope she sees that I'm trying to be a better person now. And my daughter's my everything. I just want to be a good influence for her and just be someone she's proud of when I'm, you know, when it's all said and done. That's the goal. That's all for my daughter, man, that's it. But I hope, you know, one day, if things good with that.

Like I said, I have no animosity. She did what's best for her at the time, and that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. So that's to deal with those consequences and that's, you know, this is my karma for, you know. I respect it. I mean, I'm sure she'll understand as she gets older and shit. No, for sure.

I just hope she never has to, you know, understand. Like me, like I said, I was in the court shit as a kid. It really fuchs you up, you know, seeing your mom after years and years for the first time, but you have to sit in front of an agency who's writing everything down. That shit, dude, that made me, that made me a weird kid. And for the lack of better terms, excuse me. It's just it's hard I don't ever want my daughter to have to go through that

She's only five right now And you know She's still at the point where she's young enough to You know Still I'm daddy to her You know if I'm allowed to be back And she's still young enough And it just hurts because all those years

That I haven't gotten to be a part of her life I'll never get back But like I said that's my karma And you know I believe God has a plan for everything And if this is what it's took To get me stronger And someone who can take care of her

And provide for her And actually be somebody For my daughter Then that's what it is So, yeah, that's heavy shit, but I feel like you're, you're definitely going to get back into a better role. I'm way better. And it's only been a, I'm about to be a year and a half sober off the drink on February 13th. So it's still new, you know, I still have a long ways to go.

I'm not sitting here saying I'm a good person by any means. I've done a lot of dirt bag shit on, you know, when you're a drug addict, that's what comes with it. You can't be a good person living that kind of life. So I still have a long ways to go, especially my relationship with God. But I'm working on it. That's all we can do is humans, bro. Just start, you know? Sure, man.

it. Anybody you want to thank? Anything we need to know about what you got planned or anything like that? By the way, I like aesthetically. Oh, yeah. You feel me? The Big Gulf, the buzzball. I didn't know if I was a lot of smoking here, so I haven't smoked. You can do it.

But yo, what's, I should ask that first. What's your relationship with nicotine at this point? Has that always been a thing? Yeah, I smoked since I was a teenager, but as I got sober, I'm smoking packs a day now. It's like the only thing I have left. I don't be drinking energy drinks, really nothing. Like I said, I only hit the wax pen at night.

Sometimes, like it's rare. couple days of a week just to chill me out, but I literally do nothing at all. I've been off 18 and tobacco for like two months. Oh, for real? God damn it feels good. Yeah. Just breathing so much better. I want to get to that point.

Like my brother was saying, it's like, bro, you got to do on the boxing thing, but you're going to have to quit smoking. You're going to gas out, bro. And I was like, yeah, it's true. I don't know. I think it'll be, you know, like you ask you, excuse me, what my plans are for the next, you know, step. I really want to, you know, focus on trying to live a fully clean life, cut out the nicotine,

try to exercise more and work out. Just try to do that whole thing. I've never been like, you know, ever since college, I was an athlete. I was doing that kind of life. I want to get back to, you know, treat my body better because I've put in years on it that, you know, just by being a drug addict, fucking up my liver with the alcohol. Like, I need to start, you know, I want to be here. I want to live life.

I don't want to take myself out the game, bro. So that's a big part of it. I don't know. But in terms of content, I don't even know, man. I'm just taking it day by day. I'm fucking, you know, doing little things like side missions. Last two weeks ago, I got flown out. This is a crazy store.

I got flown out to Vegas. second time ever being to Vegas, Alex. Flew me out there to be in a music video. I'm like, really? It's so random. You know what I said? Just random shit like that's happening. I was like, this is so fucking cool.

And I got there and I didn't know what to expect because, like I said, you know, I'm not from that world of, you know, content creation and all this. So it's all new to me and being in Vegas, you know, this is my first time really going out and being sober and being around it and seeing if I'm okay. Other people are getting fucked up and I'm not. And it was, you know, it was way better than what I expected. I didn't know if I was going to go out there and she's going to try to get at me or it's gonna be like that kind of vibe everyone was treat me like one of them but it was so cool like yeah it was

it was tough bro we were just walking around like he the shani shout out to shani man he's dope he uh he just treated me like one of them he you know they got me a hotel but at the end of the night when the music video was done he's like bro just crash at the house bro you're cool and i was like that made me feel like you know like that's dope yeah just just have friendships and shit like like that's my whole goal for 2026 man do a bunch of side missions i'm on no jumper in the loop on the Alex music career. I didn't watch your stuff on where I was so random to me. Like she was like, you want to be in a video? And it was like on a Thursday. And I'm like, I've worked tomorrow. Like I work a regular job. And she's like, it's tomorrow. Just fucking

come. I was like, ah, fuck it. So she booked my flight and I was like, you know what? I had my little brother cover my shift at work and, you know, I made it happen. It was, it was fun. And I was really, you know, just FaceTime on Mom and I got out there. And I was like, dude, this is, you know, they live in like a little mini mansion and have arcade games and fucking hell of like shit in their house that I've never seen graffiti walls. I'm like, this is so We don't have this back home. I was like, I was so glad my mom, like, made me do it. Because I was like, bro, this is cool as, like, I'll never have experienced that unless, you know, I just fucking said, let's do it, you know.

It was so random, though. And then, like, with you guys, you know, reaching out to me, I was just like, so juice. It was so random. Like, why? I'm not that interested in the person, you feel me? I feel me? I'm supposed to be thanking somebody who told me to interview you, but I can't remember who suggested it. Maybe I figured out.

For real. It's shout out to whoever that is, man. Much love. It's fucking amazing. I can't believe I'm on this podcast, real. I'm excited to read the comments on this one for sure. Yeah, I mean, just all from, you know, just being me. And that's the first time in my life where I was able to be me and people like,

with it, you know? Like, I'm just, you know, I don't play a character. I'd say funny shit sometimes. But that's just me. I'm funny guy. Like I say that the type of videos I'd be making, I'd be saying jokes like that at my work all the time. You know, the gay shit, all that. Like, I'm just like that.

You know, it's just, it's cool to see that people actually accept me for me and they're rocking with it. No matter how big I get or whatever, I fall off. I don't really care. Like, it's just all fun, man. To grow up being a shy kid who got beat up a lot and, you know, didn't even have confidence to fucking talk at all to being this. For sure. It's all good.

You got the right attitude, man. Yeah. Hey, it was dope meeting you, bro. It's nice meeting you, brother. Thank you so much. Hey, and I don't know, maybe something around the office is going to want to finish this off. Yes, sir. That'll be slump, boy.

Shit. Yo, kids sway, man. I appreciate you coming through, Doug. Thank you so much. Sway, you ain't got the answers. You ain't got the answers, sway? You ain't got the answers. Shout out Kanye, man.

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