No Jumper - L.A. Eyekon on Stealing Cars, His Wife's RICO, Directing Music Videos & More

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

Eyekon talks about his upbringing, getting in trouble at a young age, music career, podcasting, rap beef with Lush, and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 1:20 Eyekon breaks down his upbringing, growing up in East Los Angeles 2:10 Eyekon on being a 5th generation American, his ancestors being in America before it was America 4:10 Eyekon on being able to do whatever he wanted as a kid and being a**icted to weed and cr**k 5:20 Eyekon on getting him and his mom kicked out of their apartment and out of school in the 7th grade 6:40 Eyekon speaks on his past a**iction 12:00 Eyekon reminisces on being in the streets at 13 and stealing cars 15:40 Eyekon speaks on going to juvenile hall for fighting and being snitched on by his girlfriend at the time 19:00 Eyekon on breaking up crack on his mothers entertainment center and his mom walking right in the middle of it 22:00 Lush on how smoking c*** back then was way more normalized and sm*king a "Pookie"  25:40 Eyekon on being skinny when he was younger, talks sleeping in stairwells of expensive condos when he was homeless and getting his GED in juvenile hall 27:45 Lush asks Eyekon if he held any resentment toward his mom for partying  30:00 Eyekon on seeing homies that became homeless that never bounced back and feeling bad for wearing his jewelry around them 31:10 Eyekon breaks down tagging at a young age, his involvement in graffiti culture and referred to himself as a "bus rocker" 33:40 Eyekon on being one of the first people that sold weed to dispensaries and when he first started rapping 38:20 Eyekon reflects on going to Project Blowed, meeting Omar Gooding and rapping with Almighty Suspect's father 40:20 Lush and Eyekon discuss whether or not things are more dangerous now compared to back then 42:00 Eyekon speaks on having a kid when he was 16 and not being able to see his son 51:00 Eyekon on shooting behind the scenes for a Jay Rock and Mack 10 video and realizing he could shoot music videos 53:00 Eyekon speaks on things going really well for his rap group, going on tour with Phora and reacts to people calling him a snitch 56:00 Eyekon reacts to Lush calling him an actual MC at the time and not lip-syncing while performing 57:30 Eyekon breaks down why his rap group decided to go their separate ways 58:30 Lush asks Eyekon if he feels like he's more known for his rap or video career, Eyekon explains what "Brownside" is and Brownside being signed to Eazy-E's label 1:02:00 Eyekon on being offered to go to Mexico to shoot videos for Toker from Brownside and speaks on the beef between him and Kid Frost 1:08:00 Lush asks Eyekon how he initially met Brownside, shooting videos at Rosarito in Tijuana  1:18:00 Eyekon on being the only one involved with Brownside that's not from their hood 1:24:30 Eyekon on how Toker's k___ing impacted him in the midst of his rollout and addresses rumors of his passing being caused by money being owed to the cartel 1:30:40 Eyekon on quitting the label after Toker's passing and stopping his album rollout immediately  1:37:40 Eyekon breaks down starting a show with his wife and her being indicted under a RICO charge 1:38:40 Eyekon on what he thinks about 30 dudes pulling up to No Jumper  1:45:00 Eyekon tells a story about performing with Busta Rhymes at a charity event and calls him a "busta" for not giving Eyekon a drop 1:47:50 Lush asks Eyekon what makes him think that he's a good podcaster, denies rumors of Lush bringing Eyekon to No Jumper  1:50:40 Eyekon asks Lush how he feels about his Lush diss track Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper, back with another installment. And this is highly anticipated. Because we've been seeing this guy on the platform, kind of just for all intensive purposes, as far as y'all know, popped up out of nowhere. They're like, is this Duno's Tio? Who is this guy? You can say that.

But L.A. Icon is actually an L.A. icon. I'm glad you feel that way. That's tight. I mean, known about you for a fat minute as an artist. No pun intended, I hope. Yeah. Minuto Gordo. As an artist, as a videographer and director and just purveyor of the culture in general,

if you've been around L.A. for a while, you know, in the hip-hop scene, in particular, in like the Chicano side of things. He's unavoidable, putting in a lot of work. I think that's a fact. And now, he's found his way onto no jumper. He's actually getting paid by no jumper. I don't know how he finessed that. They know.

They know it's me. But there might be some high-powered threats being made that we're unaware of. We don't talk about any higher powers other than our Lord and Savior. But, yeah, ICON. let's talk about your origins. You're from East L.A. I'm from the east side of Los Angeles, not to be confused with East L.A.,

but I mean, it's like five miles away or some. So I'm from a town called El Serino. El Serino. So that is the furthest most east city of Los Angeles before it becomes Alhambra, which begins the San Gabriel Valley. So, yeah, I'm from El Serino. I grew up there my entire life.

Yeah. And that's a predominant. That's predominantly Mexican. That's predominantly Mexican place. Yeah, I had a couple of different race friends, you know what I'm saying? But it was mostly all Mexicans that are there. Barely any black people. Barely any black people, yes.

But one of the token black guys was one of my best friends. Rest and peace of my boy, 5'7. Okay, shout's to 5'7. Yeah. But you, and also, like, what's interesting about you, you're a fifth generation American. Yeah, I am. My family's been in America before it was America, if that makes any sense the way I phrase that. Yeah, so before, like, since the 1800s, 1700s.

Yeah, something like that, definitely. That's crazy. Yep. And they originate from what I guess would be called a Cavila de Tejas. So, like, the Texas area, and then maybe 120-some years ago, they came over to California. And set up shop. And set it up. Is El Serrano?

Is that like a dangerous place to grow up? High crime. Someone just died there the other day. It was on the news. Definitely high crime. Definitely a lot of murders take place there. A lot of high profile things have taken place there. Gang-wise.

It's a crazy place. But I mean, it's home. I mean, it's just as crazy as South Central or just as crazy as Compton or wherever people think it's rough at. It's just another part of L.A. Yeah. Not to water it down, but also not to over a... You know what I mean?

I'm not that guy neither. I mean, but it's crazy. Growing up in areas like that, though, people don't understand there's a real community vibe as well. No, absolutely. Everyone should know everybody. Not like that, like it's a small town. But, you know, if you grew up in the hood, then you know everyone in the hood.

Oh, that's so-and-so over there from school or so-and-so we grow up, et cetera, et cetera. So as dangerous as it is, it kind of feels like a little fortress to you, like at the same time? I would say that because there's not very many other rival gangs in the sea. There's rival gangs right there, but, I mean, it's not like, it's not like, it's not like, South Central or somewhere else where there's a lot of gangs every single street. There are different gangs, but they're different cliques of the same hood, you know what I'm saying? Would you say like the biggest difference between that and South Central is the fact that

there's not other races and things like that too? Yeah, we're definitely not having race wars in El Serena, you know what I'm saying? That's a fact. So what was your childhood, like, close with your family and all that? My father left us when I was young. I lived with my mom. My mom did her best. I'm the youngest of three kids.

During my childhood, she used to like to go out and party a lot or whatever, so I would do whatever I wanted. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I'd do her thing. I wasn't really tripping off it. I would pretty much, like I said, do whatever I want. I was in the streets a lot with the homies doing my thing. I was addicted to, like, eating crack.

You were addicted to crack. I was addicted to crack. But not basing because I was, like, wasteful to me. I've seen people base it in front of me, and I was just kind of like, oh, that shit could have lasted like two blunts. Smoking pee dogs. I was definitely paper. Yeah, absolutely.

Wow, okay, so what age did you start smoking crack? Probably like 13. I was smoking pea dogs, not just crack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep saying it like that. Nah, so look. I'm assuming Shirm as well. I have smoked Shirm, but that's more of an East L.A., not east side of L.A.,

that's like a State Street thing. That's the side. Again, two miles away, maybe, a freeway exit or something like that, I guess you could say. Yeah. But I started smoking weed as a young kid. or whatever, and then eventually my, I got my mom kicked out of our apartment that we were living in because the neighbor was the manager

and I was, I don't wanna say I was smashing because I was still young, but they caught me with their daughter in their house or whatever, so that was like a perfect excuse because I was always throwing ditching parties at my house, just always smelling like weed. How old are you at this point? This is like six, seventh, eighth grade.

I got kicked out of school in seventh grade, so by eighth grade I was already non-existent in school And that's when I got kicked out of a, that's when I got me and my mother kicked out of our apartment. She wasn't in the best financial situation. So when she relocated, I couldn't go with her. I know that sounds kind of fucked up or whatever, that I couldn't go on my mom. But just for whatever reason, like whatever her housing situation was, like, you know, you can't have extra people when you rent a room or something like that, I guess. It was what it was.

So I just did my thing or whatever. So you were, okay. I don't want to make it seem like I was just right there fucking, I mean, I have slept on the, the streets in my life. I've slept on a bus bench. But I mean, I was still able to go to your house, not your house, but I could go pull up at your house, eat a little spaghetti, maybe spend the night, play a little, you know, fuck around. So you're bouncing around. Yes, I'm bouncing around. And when I couldn't bounce around, I was in the hood. And then eventually, yeah, go ahead. So what are you going to ask? Well, I'm curious about, there's so much to impact

already. Yeah. But when was, so you started smoking weed early, how quick was the, you Pea dogs. I don't even know how I got. Oh, no, I know how I got involved. My older homie, Molo from the hood. They call him prime time. They literally call him prime time, which is another word for P-Dogs.

Exactly. So, I don't know. I can't really remember. That's a lot of brain cells ago, right? But I think I was probably with him. He took me to steal my first car. He was at the first. And I don't want to say what other first things I've done with him or whatever.

Pause, you know what I'm saying? but yeah, he took me on some wild rides. Shout out to Big Molo, you know what I'm saying? Freemalo. He's no, Bueno. He's cool as fuck. Yeah, no, no, he's a great guy. Honestly, he is.

Free Molo. He's just an activated-ass man, you know what I'm saying? Free Molo. He's all good. But with that being said, yeah, I'm assuming he was the first person to smoke me out with a crack joint or a crack joint because he didn't smoke blunts. He's older. But people don't understand either.

We're around the same age. You're a few years younger than me. Yeah, just a bit. But our generation is everybody, if you smoked weed in L.A. in the 90s, in particular. You might have accidentally smoked some cracking. Well, in particular with essays, you know what I mean? Like, there's a very high probability that you were either smoking pea dogs or smoking shirm. You know what I mean?

Yeah, shirm is clearly a different high. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That whole scene in Friday is very accurate. Pretty accurate. Like, you literally start... Tripping. Yeah, it's a weird...

When I smoked shrimp, I thought I was like... Like oozy. It's got like a weird, like, psychedelic element to it. Excuse me, absolutely. People don't realize. I remember I stole a bike one day when I was smoking shirm with some girl. Sounds real wild. I said I was smoking shir with a bitch, but anyways...

That was common back then, though. And her mom had a stash, and we dug into that. But anyways, when I was going home, I stole a bike from my front of the car... apartment complex like it was a fucking rental. Like, oh, perfect. And I was riding down, and I remember flipping over on the bike, and I didn't even feel nothing. I just got up like, oh, shit, that shit was crazy.

And I just continued walking. That gives you super strength. There is, like, high speed chases, like, fools would get in a car accident and get, like, pinned against the wall. All shirmed out and push it off? Yeah, like, this is like really. That's super strength? We've definitely heard the tails. Yeah, it was like a real thing in L.A. back in the day.

I'm not going to say I was buff off the shirm But I definitely Accepted that bike flip over pretty well Yeah and that's part for the course And like people would You would cop like a dime bag And think it was just weed But that shit sprayed up

Yeah and it's a wrap for that ass And your pals for a little while for sure Right like I moved up to the bay When I was 19 Grew up in LA my whole life Moved to the Bay when I was 19 And at that time in like 2001 fools were smoking Rade.

What the fuck is Rade? You mean Rade? They called it Nade. Fools were spraying Rade on fucking buds. They're wild. They're wild as fuck. That's crazy. Sprade bags.

That's crazy, fool. And I had certain homies up there that were so sick that they would go to the weed spots that had purposely looking for the sprayed bags. I don't know if I'd ever smoke Rade. That's a little out of my league. It was called Nade. As soon as you would open the bag And you would know what fucking time it was

Yeah yeah Yeah it's fucking raid You can't mistake that smell Yeah That shit caught me off guard Being from L.A. I had never seen that before And even like later

By the time I was like 16 years old 17 It started to have Because at first I didn't know I don't know about you But the first weed I smoked Was brown as hell No the first weed I smoked was stress

It looked like oregano I looked like regular wheat I remember when the orange orange hair weed came out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The New Mexico. Right. The Arizona or New Mexico.

It had orange hairs or whatever. California green bug. You feel me? Yeah. And I remember, again, my brother's much older than me by like maybe 15 years. So he would say stupid shit like we're gonna go smoke hashish or Acapulco gold. Right. You're like, fucking cornball shit is that?

Then the High Times magazines and I saw Alcapulgo gold. I was like, whoa. Or Maui, wowie. Right. The old fucking... Northern lights. Yeah, yeah. These are old vibes.

what we're talking about right now. When you first saw, like, if you look back, you could look up like high time centerfolds from the 70s. That weed... From the 70s? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit looks trash.

They literally are promoting stress. Straight stress. They even had cocaine centerfolds back in the 70s and high times. Damn. I'm not privy to that. That is a different story, though. But, yes, as... As soon as...

As soon as, like, I started to get consistently good weed, like I wasn't smoking. That ever again. Remember when grams of Cush were 25 bucks? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it was an eighth for 60. That shit was wow. And like, so that's why like when I moved to the bay,

we're seeing sprayed up bags. It was a foreign, alien concept to me. But so age 13, you're on your own, essentially. Eighth grade, whatever age it is. 13, 14. And are you already, so are you already a member at this point? Are you already from where you're from? I'm already definitely participating in street activities.

Yeah. Was it kind of like, at what age did you first feel the pressure of like, I have to be from the barrio, it is what it is? You want to know what we just grew up amongst everyone so it didn't feel like anything. I just felt like natural or whatever to just kick it with the homies and do whatever you do. You know what I'm saying? I have my very particular group of friends.

We grew up on Eastern Avenue and Templeton, you know what I'm saying? If you're familiar right next to El Serino Junior High, it is what it is, baby. And then I lived on Lockstead. Well, I didn't live on Longstreet, but I definitely was on Lock Street every day. What my brother lived there, and Lock Street is, Lock Street is Lock Street. So it is what it is. So you guys all kind of, I mean, obviously, we grew up there. But there's older homies that are like, that you look up to.

Like I said, I had, I had Mike, I had Molo, you know what I'm saying? And then above me, I had the homie named Chico, and Chico was a wild-ass dude, too. And around the corner was my homie sharky. I don't know. It's just who I grew up with. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't kick it with Trevor Potter and, you know what I mean? It's just who my friends were. Catch him astray Trevor's the homie But you know what I'm saying I didn't have like

Like belt didn't like that He's looking I didn't know belt's name I tried to process belt's name I didn't know it But long story short It's just who our friends are You know what I mean

You don't think anything of it at the time Looking back now like damn I went hiking with Chico We went like It's gonna sound lame But we were young smoking weed We would hike or walk From our house

In Elserino To like pass it to the Rose Bowl Yeah And then we would go to That's far as fuck Yeah and so he would be like you want to go hiking, fool? And I'd be like, well, okay, let's go.

Urban hiking? Yeah, so then we would go to, like, where suicide bridges under there through that little terrain or whatever and go swimming and come back. Little weirdo shit, I guess. I don't want to call it weirdo, but you know what I'm saying?

Like, little, obviously we weren't fucking hiking. Childhood activities. Yeah, childhood activities, exactly. We played outside. So some of it was wholesome. Some of it was wholesome. Some of it wasn't. Some of us stealing fucking Accur Integras from South Pasadena,

you know what I'm saying? And driving them to the hood and partying. Let's hear that story. Tell me about stealing an accent. Okay. Someone picked me up. Hey, what are he doing? Oh, nothing. Let's roll. Like, where are we going? You'll see. So I went, we went to South Pasadena. Clearly, it looked like a lick that had been hit before, you know what I'm saying? Because he went to a very particular place, got off, popped it, whatever. Alarm blaring, rolling down the street, gone. At some point, the alarm stopped. Got where we were going. Then someone else, was chasing one of the whips and a pickup. That was the first time I ever heard a gunshot. So you're getting busted at?

Nah, we weren't getting busted at. Someone else was getting that. I don't know. So we're rolling or whatever. We are getting chased. Not for very long. And then, yeah, the car got parked. They opened up the car.

There was like a firearm, like a little 25. That was my first time I ever seen a little 25. Like, you know, the little pocket pistols. a little bit of bread, some random shit. And then all of a sudden I had a fucking car radio on my house, all kinds of other little miscellaneous things. And that was that. Interesting.

So roll down the street with a car alarm going. That's hot boy shit. That's kind of wild. You know me. I never play tough. I never talk about gang shit. I never push that agenda. I'm just in my normal self.

But certain instances have been crazy, dog. Like, just really crazy. You know what I mean? You never went to Juve? or anything like this? Absolutely. I went to Juvenile Hall and fucking camp

and adult jail and everything. And juvenile hall I didn't have anxiety yet. I didn't get anxiety until like until recently

but I could only imagine having anxiety as a young kid in juvenile hall because it's way different than adult jail you know what I'm saying? There are no cells

their doors with small slivers like almost like a hospital I guess you could say very cold very fucked up sterile environment very very

government institution vibes, you know what I'm saying? What did you go to juvie before? I think I beat somebody up and I and they caught me. Okay. And yeah, I sock somebody up and then it was right in front of my house and my girlfriend at the time I think became a witness and she even said that I did it or something.

Oh, thanks a lot, baby. I mean, it is, look, again, I never really pushed the whole crazy, I said about the local vibes, you know what I'm saying? I've just been through whatever I've been and I'm just myself, right? And since I didn't, was like, oh, she's a fucking snitch, bitch.

It wasn't that vibe either. I mean, she was. I mean, we were young. We were very, very, very young, and she wasn't like that. You know what I mean? She was a nice girl. She was a nice girl.

She was a nice girl. I always got pretty nice girls. Right. Because all the home girls were just activating us. Like, damn, bitch, I don't know about your ass. With the Sharpie eyebrows. With the crazy vibes. Yeah, I never know what a Sharpie Eye, bitch.

I'm not mad at them. She has to the Sharpie Eye bitches. No, they're nice. They don't exist really anymore. That's like... No, they do. Not to the same degree. No, not at all.

They've graduated to getting their eyebrows microbladed. Right. Like my wife. Like, I'm not going to say that they're unicorns, but they're... They're rare. They're rare. They're like ligers. They existed.

The legend remains. They exist. It's just very infrequent to encounter one now, unless they're over the age of 35. then you'll still see some Tias with the Sharpies. And then you already know how it goes. Once you're already in the system and you're a bad kid, you're going back. And they put you under gang file and all that. No, I always lied and never said anything.

Okay. I've never said anything. Smart. I try my best, you know what I'm saying? So I knew that much, at least. Yeah. So the point is I would just get in trouble, get in trouble. Dirty tests, dirty tests.

I remember one time my mom took me to East Lake Juvenile Hall, probation right there. Mm-hmm. And I would shamelessly do the piss test. I would never miss out on it because, you know, who knows? Who knows if it might come through, cool? You weren't even trying. You're not taking the golden seal or doing nothing.

No, no, not then. I was still a kid. I didn't really care. I remember the first time I tested dirty for smoking a pea dog. And my mom, well, they obviously didn't say your son smoked a pea dog. They said your son tested dirty for marijuana and cocaine. and I was just like She was like

You sniff cocaine I was like I don't She was like you fucking liar No I don't sniff coke I smoke crack Mom Hey I remember one time Just real quick

This is your world baby You're taking us through your world I was in my living room I lived in that apartment That we got kicked out of It was a one bedroom apartment When I was young Just to give my mom credit

When I was young We had a nice house in the hood I had my own room I had Nintendo I had all that shit. Then whatever happened... You fucked it up by smoking weed, right? No, no, no.

She got canned, and then we moved into wherever we moved into the apartment shit. And then I fucked it up. And then I fucked it up. Absolutely. That's not her fault whatsoever. She was going to work doing her shit. You know what I mean? It's like if I'm gone right now and I go back in little cupids right there smoking weed at my house.

Like what? He's getting fucked up. But anyways, it's a house, not an apartment, right? So anyways, my mom, I had slept in the living room on a futon, like any other ghetto kid, I guess, right? So, um, I remember I was breaking up crack on a CD case. My mom's short. My mom's like real short. Like, I don't know who's short here in the office, but short, short, short, like.

Bassa? Shorter than Basa. Typical small Mexican lady vibes. You know what I'm saying? Right. So she's like right here to me. Like Salvadorian height. Well, she's not Salvi, but short, a short lady.

Um, the entertainment center was high, obviously higher than she could, than she could see or reach. like it was a big entertainment center. So I'm breaking up the crack up here on a CD case. I'm crushing it, slicing and dicing. I have the weed already right there in the blunt, ready to rock, so I could just, you know, scrape it in. And she comes out mid-fucking, cluck, cluck, cluck.

And I was like, and she's like, what the fuck are you doing? And I was like, watching TV. She was like, what the fuck is up there? I was like, nothing in my head. I'm just holding the thing. Like, if I'm holding like this, you know. Like, holding the TV down, make sure it doesn't fall over? entertainment center. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, I don't know. I don't know why that came into my mind

right now, but I felt like, now I feel shame about it a little bit, but back then I was just like, close call. So you got away with it? Absolutely. And then I went outside and smoked a fucking fat-ass p-dog. Well, the best thing, the best place to hide things are in plain sight sometimes. Exactly. That's always been my, my fortune. And, you know, what I noticed with, with parents a lot of the times, she knew, they see what they want to see. And they don't see what they don't. I remember I would even smoke cocoa puffs, which is tobacco and crack. They don't know about the cocoa puffs.

Tobacco and crack, guys. So my mom smoked big cigarettes. So I would, damn, I'm such a dirty-ass little kid. I would go to the restroom because at that point I was already stealing my mom's cigarettes, right? In junior high and smoking.

And she would know, I'm going to like, let's just cut the shit. I'll steal it my brother's shit. Like, let's just cut the shit, mom. Give me a cigarette. She'll be like, you're fucking stupid. I'm like, I'm going to steal it

while you're asleep or you're going to give it to me right now. You know what I'm saying? So. So I would go to the restroom and smoke a cigarette, but I had, well, I mean, it wasn't a cigarette no more. It wasn't a zigzag with crack on it, you know what I'm saying? But I would go to the restroom and smoke when I was like a real little,

when I was all the way in my crack bag, I wouldn't even go outside no more. I would just smoke a fucking fuck and fuck. And I know this sounds so crazy to people. When they see this, they're going to be like this fool. And especially looking at you now, you have your shit together. You know what I mean? You're very well composed.

People see me. They can be like, yeah, this fool used to do drugs. You know what I mean? You're cool, no. But people, I think the effects have lingered a lot longer. Even with these, you know, new teeth, they can still tell. You, I think it's a lot harder to tell. But what I think people don't realize, and I just want to kind of like, I don't want to,

it was way more normalized back then. People don't really smoke that much crack anymore. Crack's not even like. I've seen someone smoking crack recently, but they were also on the Skid Row. And they're probably older. Yeah, they're definitely older. Yeah, like there's not, like, nowadays they're going to be doing. Not an 18-year-old.

Yeah. And that's another thing. That's what kind of was crazy to me. One of my best friends. Well, maybe my, yeah, one of my best friends. Because we're still all the same friend circle. We're all in a group chat now. Everyone's doing whatever they're doing.

Some didn't make it. Perform Cholo group chat? No, everyone. No, these were late bloomers. They're all fucking Coke heads now. Okay. Sorry, guys. So, um.

Sounds like my kind of group chat. I'm not down. But they definitely are not hungry at the parties, right? So, um. No catering. That's just disrespectful to my fucking head count when I'm getting fucking food, right? So anyways, that's how you got fat? You just ate all their portions?

Yeah, absolutely. So, um, so, um, my boy chose to go the meth route instead of the crack route with me. Well, he was already on the crack route with me all the way. We were fucking smoking big pea dogs all the time. And, um, he started doing meth. I don't know how he, oh, I went to, I just had gotten out of, was it a count? I don't know. I think maybe I got it. It was my first time going to adult jail. And I got out after like four or five months. And I came home and I was like, all right, well,

let's get it popping. Let's smoke a ditty. That's what used to call it a P-DDDDDDDD. You know what I'm saying? P-Ddy. You know what I'm saying? So I'm fucking funny. So I was like, hey, so let's get it. And he was like, nah. I looked and I'm like, what you mean? Nah. All of a fucking sudden. I got something better now. He was like, yeah, check this out. And then he pulled out of Pookie. And I was like, I never saw that before. Not to act like dumb, but like, I mean, there's a point of life where you've never seen a pooky, right? So I saw the pooky pipe and I was like, or the oil burner.

And I was like, what the fuck are you going to do with that? He was like, check this shit out. You know, fucking these fools are blowing out massive clouds like vape people do. Every time I see someone vape, I'm like, damn, you used to smoke fucking meth, huh? So that just tripped me out. And I was like, yeah, well, you're not going to smoke this crack because that's clearly going to counteract that and it's more powerful. Don't waste my bread.

Right. And he went on to catch a life sentence. Ooh. Strong arm robbery. No stolen scanty valour. He was a real free my boy Vega. Genuine warrior. But yeah, so that's my drug childhood history.

There's been many things, many shootings. My homies getting shot, throwing bitches on the floor because we're getting shot at at parties, packouts, fights, normalhood shit. So I don't really care about covering that so much. But, I mean, just every other guess you've heard here. here talk about scrapping in the hood or getting packed out or packing people out or throwing bitches on the ground during shootouts. Well, you know, like, because there hasn't been that many guests from East Los like that. You know what I mean? There's been some for show.

I just mean like the shootout, pack out, it's just a different, it's just a different type of experience that every hood experience might have common threads, but it's like. I remember an instance where I freestyle wrapped at a party. It was amazing. Everyone cheered. Because, you know, when you're in junior high school, high school, especially in LA, there's not very many people that are rapping. And if you do rap, you're good for what it's worth and at least their opinions. It's a vibe. You know what I'm saying?

I've always been a cool little popular kid. I'm not, I'm only fat right now. So you were skinny when you were younger. Yeah, they used to call me pretty boy, you know what I'm saying? Like I was a dashing young fellow. Right. So, long story short, I was always, Mr. Poplar. I see a handsome guy buried in there somewhere.

But, yeah. Try to hide the double chin. But not, so yeah, long story short, we can. we came out of a party there was a tussle and the blowers came out and it was pop, pop, pop, and I remember like, what the fuck?

It's just one of the instances where things happened too fast. I was with a girl. My girlfriend at the time, I had to throw her down on the ground. We were crawling. I'm looking around seeing what homies are where, doing what, da-da-da. She's terrified. Well, she lived in the hood too. Okay. But she lived in El Serino

there's a place called the Hilltop Colony which is the expensive condoms. That's the condos. Yeah, yeah, it's a gated community. And, yeah, that's where she lived. And when I was homeless, just to touch on that real quick, when I was homeless, I wasn't able to, obvious, we were kids. I couldn't just go to her house to spend the night every night,

but I would sleep in the stairwells of the expensive condos. Okay, so how long were you doing the homeless or like couch surfing? I'm like for a long time. All of high school? For sure, I didn't even go to high school. I got my GED in Juvenile Hall. And when you got, when you would get caught up, And your mom would have to...

Well, that happened once, and I never lived with her again. Did I ever live with her again? I don't think I live with her again. But they notify your parents when you go to June. Oh, no, yeah, absolutely. But I mean... I definitely was a runner. Like, if the cops are going to come grab me, I'm running.

But I wasn't running from the cops like that. Only, like, two or three times I got away from the cops like that because I was on probation. So I would go report to try to, like, still not have warrants. You know what I'm saying? I'll run from the cops, but I'm not running from my PO, which would be why I'd always go back. go back and go back because I was fucking paper basing.

Do you feel like, um, did you have like a resentment towards your mom? I had a resentment towards my mom for her going out and partying because she would be a drinker, you know what I mean? She would be a drink. Well, she's not anymore, but she would go out and drink and have her fun. You know what I mean? And yeah, I remember like as a small kid, like I would cry for her type vibes.

This is going to sound horrible, but I would like call the bar. Okay, she's not there. call the cops, hey, did you guys get my mom? I'd call the hospital. Hey, is my mom there? Like, type of life. Damn. Life as a shorty shouldn't be so rough. Let it out love.

So, so. But there wasn't resentment of her, like, not having you live there anymore. Oh, no, because I already used to it. I already, I understood that I fucked minds off. Yeah. And I accepted that. But again, like. You also probably kind of liked it because there was no one to answer to.

Well, no one, I had no one to answer to anyway. She would just kind of talk shit like you and all your friends ate the fucking food today type vibes. Right. But, like, at that point, I would go to the local supermarket and peel a million luncheables. Or we're going to eat steak tonight, my G, because I just look what I got. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know what I don't even know how to cook it.

No, yeah, yeah. Someone knew how to cook it. Yeah. But it wasn't my little ass. Just like crack. Yes. The butter boy. But not, yeah.

I don't know what to say about my. childhood. To me, it seems normal. Right. I don't think it is in like all of America, but I mean, to me it was my, it's my life, it's normal to me. And for where you grew up, it's a lot, I mean, not every kid out there turned out like that. I remember one

time when I was releasing a promo for one of my albums, I put like a little story blurb, like a 4-4. You remember the 4-4-4 promos? Yeah, yeah. I did something like that where there was an iteration and visuals to it of the hood or whatever, for me at least, and I remember someone said, you just had an average

childhood of any Mexican growing up in the hood. I was like, damn, okay for sure. It seemed normal and that, but I don't know how normal. People would just be saying shit, though. But I remember that and it just kind of stuck with me like, I'm not that special, I guess. Well, I mean, look, some people turn out like that. There's a lot of, I have so many homies where they might be goons,

choloed out, whatever. I have some very good friends that are in very high places. I have some friends that are major trappers. I have some friends that are completely homeless and never balanced. back. Yeah. And it sucks when I see the homies I never bounce back because I'm right there like wearing my chains and my nice stupid cars and the watches and the, you know, the normal typical show offy shit. Because let's be real. Like rap is show up. It's a popularity contest. We're always showing off. Right. So, um, although I do definitely, um, covet and like treasure my little Rolex

because I never thought I'd have one or my little diamonds. A hood trophy. You know, I'm, exactly. It's a hood trophy to me. Why you wear your fucking Rolex all the time? well, because I paid a lot of fucking money for a bit. Yeah, put it in work for it. But my homies never questioned me or anything like that. There was a point in time when they would start to call me Hollywood, like just to be condescending, like, oh, what's up, Hollywood? But, I mean, I've always been welcomed in my area.

Because I'm sure you got homies that are very rarely venture west of downtown and are just black bunnies. I mean, I got a lot of tagger homies too, you know what I mean? These fools are getting around, baby. That's what I want to touch on your hip-hop origin. obviously like you know you were from like actual hood I'm from a tagging crew too that I was gonna ask represent so yeah I'm not gonna say that on air because I don't want the ops hating on the chat you know what I'm saying but you started tagging at a young age too yeah

absolutely I was a popular ass little tagger I thought I was the shit can you say what you write or no uh I write I used to write I won't say all the extra shit but I used to write okay I used to get up I used to do serious damage all over the buses were you more of like a bomber or were I was a bus rocker okay I'm not necessarily that artfully inclined to be doing masterpieces, you know what I mean? Like the AWR, T-K-O, M-T-A dudes, you know what I'm saying? I'm just crushing shit. I'm vandalizing.

Serious vandalizing and that's it. And you were getting up, though? I would think so. Yeah. I would think so. Not to toot my own horn, but I did a lot of damage. Could you even freak, like, bubble letters and throw-ease and shit? Oh, yeah.

Little easy throw-ups, little burners, yes. But I'm more of a, I was more of a bus rocker. Like that was my thing. I would literally go on the bus just to tag. Rock off the floor, fat scribe vibes. Yeah. Facts. Fire.

Or little razors in the wall. I used to make fake bus passes, like the school bus pass. Yeah. Take the little shiny thing from the top, photocopy your monthly sticker. Fake or just fraud. It's just straight up fraud on the bus pass. You know what I'm saying? But it was tight.

It was a fun time to be alive. And you were hitting up on the back of them too. Oh, yeah. Fast scribes and all that. Like, well, strictly fat scribes. mostly. That's fire. Like sometimes a bus driver wouldn't even pick me up.

Like, because when I got kicked out of school, obviously I had to try to go to a continuation before I went to juvenile hall. So I had to catch a bus. The bus driver wouldn't even pick me up sometimes. Like, if it was that particular bus driver, like, he would just wave at me and pass me right by. Yeah.

Because I was the only person at the bus stop in that particular spot most of the time on the 252, that rat bastard. Was tagging before, like, the gang vanging? Of course. Yeah. It always is, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

For most, I mean, people. And just for the record, I'm not some crazy claiming to be, or was I ever some crazy killer. I was more of like a little drug dealer-want-be type vibe. You know what I'm saying? Because I got caught. As an adult, every time I try to sell drugs, I got caught. I never rat it on my plug or my crimeies, though.

That's how you're supposed to be staying on all 10, man. No, yeah. But so. I still owe one of my plugs. Like, he brings it up every time I see him. Well, he ain't the plug no more for me. But the homie would be like, hey, for you know, you still owe me $150.

bucks like we shut the fuck up like two decades ago petty it's love though right i almost want to say who it is but i can't but i mean that with inflation to be fair that 150's probably more like 220 now might be more it was for like a whole a whole pack so i mean and this was like when selling weed was like still taboo you know what i'm saying i'm part of the first people that sold weed to medical dispensaries when they were medical dispensaries right so obviously that didn't go very well for me So I gave it up. I left it to the real trappers. Shout out to all you trap lords

that are still surviving. When did you first realize you could rap? Do you, like, grow up, loving? 12 or 13. The first thing I ever did was I would record, the first song I ever memorized was nothing but a G thing.

How about that? Great. And then I would change the words. You know, a little stupid shit. You know how it is. Elsa Rana went East Lowe's together. Now you know you're trying. Exactly.

Yeah. Perfect example type vibes. And then. That's so funny. You said that because me and one of my homies performed. One year was jumped by Chris Cros. That's tight. And then the next year was nothing but a G thing for the talent show.

Exactly. So in Juvenile Hall, they had talent shows occasionally. And I rapped. And I always would win my little, whatever little stupid shit it was. I think they got us like a cheeseburger from where was a fuck. Yeah. This was in McNair and Camp Challenger in McNair a long time ago. Crazy.

So, but. So you knew that you were lyrically inclined. Obviously, you probably liked hip hop your whole life. It was... Yeah, yep. Absolutely. Were you hearing that more than like... Oh, no, absolutely.

Because again, my mother's a real Chicana lady, which is like an American-ized Mexican lady. Right. So, and she's full-blooded Mexican. Her parents speak Spanish, but... So she's not knocking, like, cordials? No, she wasn't. For whatever reason, she was.

I can't say I had that type of childhood. Yeah. I was listening to oldies. I'm an oldies kid. I'm an oldies and gangster rap kid. Right, right, right. So it was Dr. Dre Snoop Dog and The Temptations and Brenton Wood and Rocky. I mean, you get it.

You get the vibe. So your mom wasn't really even speaking Spanish to you grow up. Absolutely not. My grandmother would, my great grandma, but, uh, nah. Interesting. So when did, like, the rapping become more serious? I made my first song when we were like 16, but here's the thing. It was on a, I don't want to tell you it's Adobe audition because it was something before that.

Like Acid Pro. That was one of the programs that I had available to me, but it was before, it was something different. Hip-hop. Cool Edit Pro. Cool Edit Pro. Thank you, sir, for reviving that brain cell. Cube As, Cool Edit. Yes.

So it was Cool Edit Pro. And I didn't know that we could do takes. You thought you had to nail it. Just, yeah. So it wasn't just me. It was me and my homies. We called ourselves the wise men because it was three of us. So you thought all these rappers were just amazing?

Oh, we dropped disc tracks on other tagging crews, disc tracks on other hoods. Distracks on disc tracks. I've been doing this disc track thing way before yours, baby. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, just. I wouldn't have known. That's crazy. So, yeah, we would, you know.

Oh, shit, oh, shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was crazy. So it became pretty, like you were taking it seriously. No, it was dope. It was dope as hell. Someone gave me like $1,000 when I was like 17 to like sign me. Oh, really?

To ghost town productions. This kid ended up being from like La Puente. He was like, I'm not saying he was a nobody, but clearly he didn't advance, baby. Right. So, but yeah, it was cool. And that's when I got that program of that program, that CD of programs. He gave me a stack and he gave me a CD of all the programs, Cubase, Acid Pro.

So before, you had never even made a song And you had people putting money in your hands No, I had already, I'd already started that And if you remember, you're older than me, so you definitely remember Like text, key styles Yeah, yeah, key styling. We were on the fucking internet typing out raps battling each other on there.

Something called capital hip hop. Okay. Capitalhipop.com and I can't remember the other one, but Let's Beef for your own, Let's Beef. That's the original text battle website. And then I remember there was a form for audio and I would be like, whoa, these these are making songs. Then I asked

how. Then they told us about cool edit. Then we figured it out. And then eventually I went to a real studio many, many, many years later and realized we could have been punching and doing takes and all this shit. Yeah. Because it's not like it was real to real. It was digital. Right. Right.

So yeah. That's crazy time, huh? Yeah, no. Oh, of course, I'd go to Project Blode. Oh, you were going to the Blode. Yeah, I remember when Cuba, not Cuba, Omar. Is it Omar? I remember when Omar Gooding would go over there. The first time I ever met Omar Gooding was there.

I was like a young pup. There's all kinds of celebrities popping up. So like when I found out Suspect's dad is who he is, like, yo, I've wrapped with your dad, pal. But I mean, obviously I don't rub that in in a weird way because I mean, not who cares. But that was a long time ago, you know what I'm saying? But freestyle fellowship. I'm a real L.A. baby, fool. You know what I'm saying?

I might be a cholo, but I'm a real hip hopper. But that, I mean, that's, and that's something that people don't understand, and I really, it's a point that I've really tried to drill in since I've been on a no jumper is like, like, essay culture post-193. There's some, exactly. It's very connected to hip-hop. Absolutely. In L.A. In L.A. Like, there's a huge connection.

I know there's some people that have no idea what the hell Project Bloat is unless you hear it on a podcast like ours, but I was there, gee. If you would go, like in the late 90s, early 2000s, if you went to hip hop shows in L.A., it's predominantly Chicago. Urban underground, all these places. Mainly Mexicans there. I mean, of course there's black folks there. There was like the Sean Healy shows that have always been around, but the urban undergrounds like at the air line. Well, yeah, Sean Healy is like the pay to play joints and shit.

Yeah, yeah. There's still all kinds of different versions of those now. Right. There is still Sean Healy still. Right, right. But, yeah, I've done it all. I've paid to play. I've been paid to play.

I've signed autograph. My freaking face has been on posters and kids. Well, we're going to get into all your accolades. Like, this is still like... Oh, we're still in adolescence. Well, we're... We're adults now. Yeah, we're right before.

So, you know, you're getting love for rapping. You're probably, what, like 18, 19 at this point? Yeah. The homies are taking me to other homies houses. Like, hey, check out this little fool. He'll rap. Yeah. Like, kick something that, fool.

And I'll say my little bullshit and they'll be like, you know, so if you want to blaze it, like, all right, cool. Yeah. So you're getting love. little local celebrity rapping and all that, but you're also still in like the game. We're still right there tagging. We're still right there doing drugs.

We're still right there being shot at and doing whatever other extracurriculars. You know what I'm saying? Right. So that's kind of, um, kind of overwhelming. I feel like it's nothing though. Like if you live there, you know it's not a big deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is a big deal. I'm so glad my son doesn't have to grow up like that. Right. Because I'd be like really worried, you know what I mean? But like, It's not different time now, too. There's not kids with skinny jeans carrying freaking extendos back then. Right.

It's little pocket rockets, little 38s. It's less dangerous, but it's also more dangerous. It's more, it's... It just depends. It's different because it's not technologically advanced like that where I could just hit you on a cell phone like, yo, I just got shot at. Yeah. I have to go to the neighbors like, hey, I just got shot at.

Can I call my mom? You know what I mean? Like type vibes, you know what I mean? So I never did that, but you get what I'm saying, the example. We got pagers, fool, in two ways. Well, like today, there's way more surveillance. There's way more. It's way harder to get away with things than it was back then.

Yeah, I have like seven cameras at my house. My mom, like, what a camera at the house? Like, what are you fucking talking about? But people are way quicker to, like, bust nowadays. It's like gun. People are way quicker to go to the strap than they are catch fades or any of that shit. No, absolutely. It's a whole, it's more dangerous in certain ways and less dangerous in other ways.

But, like, did you kind of, was there a crossroads at a certain point where you're like, I could either lean really far into this and like become like a full dope dealer or. There's one part that I'm not mentioning, which is I had a son when I was 16. Oh, okay. So in between that homelessness from 13 to 16, I was doing whatever I was doing or 14 to 16, whatever it was, I don't know, eighth grade. Eighth grade until I was 16. Then I lived with my baby's mom.

So you have a son who's like 21 now. I have a son that's that old, yes. So I was staying with her, but even her mom had, well, after she got pregnant, obviously, that's when I started to stay with her. But her parents also had rules, and they were Italian. Oh, really? Yeah. So my son's half Italian and half Mexican. Okay.

It's going to be what my son is, too. It's crazy. Shout out to that girl. They even had little rules. Like, yo, if you're not fucking here by 10 o'clock, pal, you're not going to come sleep in our house. which was pretty fucking reasonable. Where'd you knock an Italian girl at? She grew up in the hood.

They own half the block. They own their particular block. I'm not going to say which block, but they own, like, different houses. Like, it's crazy. But, yeah, they had very specific rules, and it just is what it is. And I would not come home at 10 o'clock every day,

you know what I'm saying? Because I was out smoking crack. I remember one day I tried to come home, like, at one in the morning. And it's so strange because they knew I had, someone knew I had an A ball. They're like, hey, come over, fool. so I came over. I smoked out a couple of people.

A lady, a lady pulled up with a guy, like a pretty lady. And he was like, hey, give me half of that rock, and I'll give you this bitch. And I was like, yeah. Here you go, pal. Because you're hoarding his fuck at that point. And it was just so crazy that that even was a thing. And after the crack was gone, the homie then invited me,

was like, all right, fool, you got a did. Okay, because I was upstairs doing whatever I was doing with the girl, right? Right. And I still had all the bowl. on me, well, whatever was remaining. And then we went back downstairs and I chipped them off. It was like, all right, fool, I talked to him a little bit. And I was like, I've been, at this point, I've already been homeless.

So I know what that fucking man, time of dip. I was like, all right, cool. So I tried to go home and I couldn't. Well, I went to try to go to my baby's mom's house and I couldn't. But yeah, I don't even know where that was going, but. No, so, you were just talking about having a kid at a young age. So that kind of... Also with that, like, it was just really really,

really rough because like when we broke up after I got out juvenile hall a couple of times now I'm an adult I try to come home and I had met some little girl at some point and I don't know I guess I was drunk or drugged out or whatever like cracked out this bitch left gang of hickies on me so my baby's mama at the time was like yo what the fuck are you doing right here right now with all these hickeys on your body I didn't do this and I was like well I don't remember I don't want to off an Italian girl like that. They're activated. Was she like a cholid out Italian girl though?

Did she like... I want to tell you something like that, but she was definitely a spicy one. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So she definitely was not accepting that shit. Her mom was a beautiful, nice lady, super nice to me till this day. But yeah, my baby's mama wasn't fucking with it. So that was one of the instances where I couldn't see my son because of the other

bitch. You know what I mean? like, oh, you want to fucking be with someone else? You can't see that fucking baby for it. Right, right. And like, so it went on like that a little bit. And I'm not trying to throw you under the bus. bitch, but

it just is what it is and that's how I see it from my point of view if I'm wrong I blame it on the crack Right But um There was instances where we were cool And if she ever got into a tiff

With the other bitch Couldn't see the baby Just is what it is And you're And this is just ongoing now Right right For until he's 18 or whatever Until I got on my wife

Okay Which was like seven or eight years ago Right They got along Very peacefully and nicely. And then I had my new baby and then now my other son's in college.

I think he probably has like a little thing for the new baby or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Jealous? That's where we're at now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because now I'm a responsible adult. And even to this day when I'm doing nice things

with my small child, like I feel like a bit of regret. Like, fuck, I wish I would have my shit together back then. You know what I'm saying? For little Eric. You know what I'm saying? Well, I'm sure there's certain, he's very strong probably as a result of growing up that way too. I would think so and again, like the household he grew up in,

I'm pretty sure he was still spoiled. And now I don't mean that in a bad way. Like, I'm glad. It's never too late to spoil him now, too. He's definitely not happy with me right now. But you could, you know. No, absolutely. I've definitely go out of my way to chop it up, whatever.

Get him a PS5 so he doesn't have to eat out some old lady. He's absolutely gotten all those items easily, for sure. Um, So you're rapping, still involved in activities? Absolutely. Got the kid. Is there, you're like maybe 19 at this point. What is the catalyst for the decision to make hip hop a career

and fall back on the other shit? Or did you all just continue doing it all? I'm trying to think, yeah, I just kept fucking as it comes. I'm trying to think of when we actually started doing the campaign shit. That's what was my little rap group. It was called the campaign. and it did really, really, really well because we were a bunch of different

homies from different areas. Excuse me, it was like a Mexican Wu-Tang kind of vibe. Right. And y'all are like lyrical. It was like street hop because we're talking gang shit but like hip-hoppy. Like West Coast Mobb Deep type shit. Yes, that's a perfect example

if I've ever heard one. Yeah. That's why you're you lessy. But yeah, something like that. But I'm not even trying to fast forward is just I went to jail a good couple more times and then when I was with a girl that tried to go to makeup school, again, I'm always rapping this time,

we went to some little Hollywood party, and there was a big-ass camera, and I was like, what the fuck you guys doing with this huge-ass fucking camera? And they're like, no, we use it to take pictures of the models. And I was like, that makes perfect sense. And this bitch is paying thousands of dollars to go to the premier makeup school in Hollywood. So I was like, I was still selling a little bit of weed. So the next day I bought a camera.

So I bought the camera and now I'm taking pictures of her little makeup shit Or she is or whatever But I know Lush One Like hey fool take a fucking hey that picture you took of that bitch was bad fool You could probably take pictures of us Right so now I took pictures of you Took pictures of Riley took pictures of fucking Chris Sour Apple over there So on and so forth you know what I mean

Taking pictures of everyone around you All the rapper homies Did you um that have like a studio have merit Now I'm taking pictures of Mac 10 Now I'm taking pictures of J Rock which is how that's stemmed from that Kendrick story. So you're pretty good. Like, not everyone that picks up a camera is good at it.

No, yeah, somehow I ended up being good. You had an eye. I have no idea how. I have no idea why. I just know how to take pictures. It just is what it is. I don't, I'm not going to claim I have the eye. I'm the best.

Because, you know, there's still a Stellan Oriole walking around these streets. You know what I'm saying, the being the legend. So, but I took a lot of dope-ass photos, fool, and it just is what it is. And I want, I'm also a greedy bastard. So I got a camcourt. I'm going to get to the rapping. shit. So it all was he like an influence

as stuff on Oriole and shit? Not really because I've always had my head up my own ass and I never was really like... Tripping on anybody else. Yeah, it's just always been like that. Not to even sound... Have you always had like the same personality of being like a nice, like kind of funny,

like laid back dude even when you were in the streets like that? I think so yes, except when I would drink alcohol, which is I don't necessarily get drunk now because it just makes you feel uncomfortable. But I used to be like a snapper drunk. Like just a snapper. I'm not saying I'm over here beating all kinds of people, but I would become aggressive.

Weren't fun anymore. I was still fun for me, but it wasn't fun for the party. But, or even my homies when we weren't snapping, because if I wasn't snapping, now I'm emotional. Hey, homie,

I fucking love you, because remember my group. I like that kind of drunk better. Because remember, my group of friends have always been my group of friends. So these foods have been with me since before the homeless vibes

from your high. Some all the way to elementary, one of my closest friends, snapper from the hood. Tron, part of the wise men. Rest and peace to my boy Joseph, he's been with me since I was in elementary school. You know what I mean? So I'm drunk with my closest lifelong friends.

We're still friends of this day. So I've been through a lot of horrible shit, I guess, right? And I guess it would come out. Hey, for that fucking love you, dog. Thanks for letting me stay with you all those times. Whatever, right? Or whatever the case may be. Right.

Thanks for that fucking thank you. Thank you for that P-Dog. I was mostly the food supplying the crack because I was selling the crack and smoking the crack. Most of smoking it. But, yeah. So anyways, the camera shit led one thing to another. I got a camcorder. I started interviewing fools while I was doing the photo shoot.

So now we're in the middle of downtown. I'm laying in the middle of the street with you to get the bank shot in the back. Fucking laying on the ground. And this is like what, 2006? 2009. 2009. 2009. So you're like 23s and shit.

Like. Do the math. Something like that. Something like that. Right. So, yeah, long story short. It just progressed from there. I was shooting a J-Rock, L-Boy, and Glasses Malone video.

Obviously, L-Boy was a homie, so I was there because of a homie. He was signed a Hu-Bangin, which is Mac-Ten's label. Mac-Ten was there. I was doing the behind-the-Sys. Mac-Ten, right? Is he? I think so. I don't know.

Shout to Mac-Ten, period. He's cool. West Coast Legend. Shout to Mac-Ten. I mean, shout to Ice Q, right? But shout to Mac-Mack. Dubcy. So, I know Debcy.

He's cool. So I'm right there, filming the behind the scenes of the video and snapping photos, I hit up Elboy and whoever else are glasses and they send me the song. And I'm right there editing at home. Somehow or another I learned how to get a fucking editing program for the video to edit the fucking cornball interviews, right? So I magically synced up the lyrics that they were kicking live to the song and I was like, I can't fucking do music. Obviously I never shot a music video with a fucking Sony handy cam.

Right. But I got a Canon T2I, which was the first hybrid of video photo camera and the rest is history. And was it difficult for you to find a balance between rapping and...

The video shit? Yeah. No, absolutely not, because I just went full force at all times doing my thing. I've always had multiple things. Like, as you know right now, I do the indicted thing for my wife.

I have my own little fucking podcast. We're here freaking weekly. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, you're here more than me, but just all these things. I'm always all systems go for. I'm just trying to get it at all times as much as possible multitasking.

So what wound up happening with that first rap group? It went really, really, really, really well. I think we got like a little bit of airtime. DJ Julio G and Tony G. Hip hop West Coast Pioneers hosted our mixtapes. It went really well. But everyone just started kind of doing their own thing, taking a break, you know, females, hip hop,

when you start to get a little cool. start getting a little jealous and shit not my bitches you know what I'm saying but um maybe a little bit but they didn't hinder me from going out and fucking I've always

been down to take my bitch to the studio let's go to the show I'm down to take my girl wherever we go you know what I'm saying not on some weirdo shit but just like I don't be cheating on my bitches like that I did when I was younger but as an adult I don't got your relationship kind of guy

yeah I'm cool with it you know what I'm saying so um yeah I didn't fall off I just kept going. So I toured with Fora, if you heard of Fora. Of course. From the beginning. From maybe just right after the very beginning, like backyard shows, like from there on. Because I did backyard shows too with that film.

What are your thoughts about people saying Forre as a snitch? I think his mom definitely said what happened to him. And he was right there. But I don't remember the paperwork. So I don't want to say he definitely told. Because he can't post anything on the internet without rat emoji. being, you know. That's what happened when you're super famous.

He could have, I mean, that dude, as successful as he is, I feel like he could have been a lot bigger. Without that hindrance? Yeah. Do you know, I don't remember, does the paperwork say he absolutely told? The paperwork was definitely, I've never read the paperwork. I remember, and I'm not calling him a snitch for the record. I remember really reading the paperwork, like actually reading

Marco Archer's paperwork, and his mom told, not him. He may have told his mom. I mean, he's a fucking little kid getting stabbed. Mom, they fucking stabbed me. Right. He doesn't strike me as like someone that's getting from the fucking hood and gang banging and killing a million people. So I want to say he's a civilian.

But if you want to rap and you want to just some other shit. I feel like he could have been like another little West Coast baby Drake. He's definitely rich. He could, you know. Yeah, he's done. And he's definitely still getting heavy duty features. So I mean, shout out to Forra. But so I tore with Fora.

His Forra snitch, I don't know. I read the paperwork, his mom told, not him. And if I'm wrong, correct me, I'll go fuck. I'm not for her. If you didn't know him, you might have a different take on this. Probably. Well, again, I've been to jail, fool, so I mean, I would have to read the paperwork

to ultimately confirm someone's a full-blown-ass snitch. Not that I want to sit here and read people's fucking paperwork all fucking day. I don't give a fuck if you told you didn't tell on me. You're my homies. Get the fuck out of here. Right. I also tore with King Little G a little bit, did a gang of shows with Little G.

Shout to him. and so I mean and those crowds are very welcoming yeah very welcoming I'm not gonna say I stole those fucking fans I definitely acquired some though you know what I'm saying and like I said there's posters on the walls

them singing along there's shit on my Instagram highlight things and you're like an emce well I'm definitely riding the wave of like street hop so I'm talking gang shit on hip hop beats and you're like you're actually

but not gang member shit just like Good shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Psycho Realm type shit. A little bit more commercialist than Psychoalum. A little bit more mob deepish. Right, got you. But even then I started to gravitate towards the times, which was more commercialized.

Type shit. But you're also like you're not lip syncing when you're performing. No, absolutely not. We're rapping. I mean, after I started to learn some of the tricks of the trade from older people, I would leave my ad libs on so I could take a breath. You could leave ad libs. Maybe leave the hook. Yeah, you could leave the hook.

But no, I was rapping. But you're actually performing. If you miss a word and you can't catch it, you're choking on stage. It's audible. I've choked once in front of an auditorium of children because we were doing a high school tour. And I fell off. Obviously, I fell off. And then I kicked a freestyle, but I know I choked.

Like on the spot, I know I choked. And the kids that actually knew my songs probably knew I choked. Which is cool. I mean, they didn't clown me. At least you freestyleed. You got it off, right? No, yeah, I'm definitely not. I'm definitely not down to fall off and go out whack like that.

Yeah, yeah. Respect for that. So this group winds up. Oh, just deteriorating. Deteriorating. A lot of members, I assume, wanted to, weren't getting, no one's getting enough money from it. But fuckers need to get jobs.

Yeah. And in that instance, Empire was just barely cracking. Not barely cracking, but it was cracking. I knew someone from out of state. I was shooting videos again. So my video connections are making other rap connections for features, for this, for that. Like, I got a song with Rap and Forte. Who the fuck has a song with raping Forte?

Amazing. I have songs with a lot of people, right? But the point is, is I got an empire deal. And I gave, instead of me being like, yeah, it's my deal. All you are under me. I got my shit. I got you your shit. I got her, him, him.

Everyone got their own shit. You know what I mean? I was never the, it's all mine vibes. I've always been a good team player. Whether I was the leader or not, I've always been in a good position because of my camera shit to help supplement the rap shit

and I always was willing to share with my people, you know what I'm saying? Would you say you're more known for the camera or the rap shit? It depends who you ask. Like if you're in the scene, you're gonna definitely, I mean, you know what? Probably the camera shit. Because even though I got put on with Brownside,

they will always be like, yo, I didn't know this who fucking rapped. even though I had a prolific, maybe not prolific, but I had a great rap career, you know what I mean, prior to Brownside when I kind of fell off. Like after the tours died, I just kind of just kept shooting videos and I didn't really make it back to the studio per se,

you know what I'm saying? So for those that don't know, what is Brownside? Brownside is a gangster rap, maybe the first Latin gangster rap group ever. Legendary. Founded by Toker with members like Wicked and Dane. Now for the record, I didn't listen to them growing up, and I always made a joke to talk to talk about that. What was that one song they had back in the, like 94 that was super legendary?

I love the gang related. Is that what it was called? That's so horrible that I don't even know my fucking homie's fucking big hits. I think it was before that. Edit this out, guys. I don't want to look like this. Not you good. Brownside hits.

There's a couple big brown side hits. Was it gang related? Was that the one? I want to tell you. Yeah, yeah, gang related. Thank God that I was right. Right. And then there was like a rest in peace to my homie song.

Yeah, yeah. That was big. But that gang related video I remember was huge. Because they were signed to Ruthless. They were signed to Ruthless. They were signed to EasyE record label. And that's another joke I used to make. I'd be like, yo, I'm on Dr. Dre side in that war.

I used to say that to Toker like, I didn't listen to Easy. I was on Dr. Dre side. I'm tripping. It's just what it is. Yeah, yeah. Tupac, Dre. Yeah, the whole Deaf Road shit. That's when I was growing up.

So, but yeah, so Brownside, Brownside, very, very popular. very popular so they were a group then they wound up i guess ruthless they the situation easy died easy died easy died a lot of artists wound up leaving after easy died although ruthless remained a label for several years jerry jeller and kept it popping and stuff but uh it was never the same yeah i don't think so no bone thugs left and all that like no yeah they became their own little thing right yeah but uh yeah from my knowledge browns i kept doing their thing and then eventually Tolker. Because Easy died, I want to say

95 is when Easy died. I was a little ass kid. Yeah, yeah. He died before Pock and big. He was like the first major death in hip hop that I remember. Fax. The whole conspiracy behind it and everything.

Yeah, crazy shit. Toker said all kinds of crazy stories that I can't necessarily remember, but he visited him in the hospital when he was there. From one day to the next, his food was good, about to get a hospital. Then all of a sudden he was about to die.

It was crazy shit. Damn. Yeah, I don't know. Very crazy. That's some shit right there. Yep. So they wound up, their situation with Ruslith's deteriorates and not all the members stick together to it. Don't they kind of break up?

I think there's members that come in and out. Like, Wicked and Toker stayed forever. Those are the founding members besides danger. Big Danger died. Okay. I think he died a gangster's death. I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong.

But he died, and those were, like, the main members. But I wasn't, I mean, like, again, I was a little kid, so I wasn't part of that particular era. So I can't speak too, too much on the historical facts. I also don't want to fucking be wrong and get ate up in the comments, you know what I'm saying? Right, right, right, right, right. So then at a certain point, Brownside comes back. Yeah, so I'm shooting videos, as always.

So I'm shooting videos for some dudes from the Inland Empire, called the Empire Writers from banning, highly activated, free Diablo, just caught a life case for murder. Shout out to all the homies. So, one of the gentlemen, Big Sanch, he knows someone else that's related to Toker, and they want to do a comeback.

They're like, yo, we want you to go to Mexico and shoot some videos. I'm like, okay, cool. Who's it for? They're like, Toker from the brown side. And I was like, okay. You're not tripping because you don't really know who that is. I have no fucking clue who that is.

I'm like, he said it like I should give a big fuck. And I was just like, okay, cool. He probably thought I was the cockiest motherfucker in the world. You know who a lighter shade of brown was. Kind of. You knew what Kid Frost was? Obviously, I know this is for La Rasa. Yeah.

And me and Kid Frost have had our little encounters. I've had good encounters with them and bad ones. You know what I'm saying? Well, so, I mean, I don't know if this had already been a thing, but there is a beef between Toker and Kid Frost. And I think... Oh, yeah, from back in the day. I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong,

but from my perspective, my perception of it was that Toker felt like Frost was like the first to get a real national spotlight as far as like, you know, like Chicano gangster rap. I think it's just one of those things where like one dude is fake and one dude is the real. Well, and I think it was like he didn't put anybody else on. He didn't shine a light on any of the others. That could be a thing. I saw him basically say that in an interview.

I'm like, yeah, I mean, review the Brownside lives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? and there's jokes that he would say about him or whatever, but yeah, I mean, I've even had spouts with Frost, you know what I mean? As a result of that? No, way before that. Just me being me, just like coming up in the scene.

Who was your issue with Frost? I was shooting videos. And shout out to R2, though. Long story short, I was shooting videos from my guy, Osovicious. I'm right there at the legendary Hennessy. I know so, yeah. So I'm right there at the legendary Hennessy Lounge, where all kind of Julio G, Tony G.

so I'm there at their studio I'm shooting a video for also featuring Frost Frost doesn't know his lyrics this is not my first time encountering that I lean in I tell him like hey dog I got you I've already taken pictures of this man like he's traveled me to Vegas to take photos of him and all kinds of other shit

so Frost has already giving me bread yeah I mean cool but in this instance I'm not just beginning shooting videos but I'm not quite me yet I mean I'm me but I'm not icon the video guy. I'm icon the photographer who

also can shoot videos. I'm not just fucking icon the video guy yet, right? So, long story short, I tell Frost like A4, I got you, don't worry about shit. He's high as fuck, he's still old. So he doesn't know his lyrics at some point during the video, I guess he gets tired of not knowing his shit. He's like,

you know what, I call? I love your photographs. But I don't like you as a video guy, man. Your videos suck. And I was like, what fuck? I'd already shot in countless videos for Oso, but this was, Oso's my boy. You know what I mean? Shout to Osso Vicious. He says this in a room with about this many people,

like Tony G's right there, Oso's right there, someone else, Kiki from the Hennessy lounge is his house, who's right there. And I look at these who's like, what? It's just because you don't know your lyrics,

who I already told you, I got you, don't trip. He's like, yeah, we're going to reshoot this, man. Oso's looking at me like, who I already paid you, we ain't reshooting shit, and I'm like, exactly. So whatever, right? So, um, that happened.

happens. There's another... It's a good Kid Frost imitation, by the way. Yeah, man. So, um... I start moving around and shit. So, um, long story short, we have another encounter. I guess he heard that I was like, fuck Kid Frost after that, you know what I'm saying? So we have another encounter at the Green Turtle. You ever heard of the Green Turtle?

Yeah. Hip-hop staple. Yeah. At least an underground Latin hip-hop, right? So, um, we're at the Green Turtle. Have you been there? Yeah. So we're in the restroom area.

That's clearly a small... small corridor. He's with X amount of rappers. I've shot videos for all these fools. Everyone knows me. I've always been the same. I have a stupid mouth. I do whatever I do. Again, I've never played tough. I'm just always myself. I talk my stupid shit. Take it how you

want. Take off. Accept it. Laugh with me. Do whatever you want. So we're right there. Frost says something to me. I said, what? And I don't know exactly what words were said back and forth and for how long, but I do recall just saying Frost. You're old, man.

shake my hand and we'll just call it even you know what I'm saying I said something along again I'm not also hyper disrespectful right right if he said something you know me fool I'm just gonna quib that's a nice way of saying I'll beat your ass

so like just shake my hand foo and he shook my hand and then like continued the day you know what I mean like the evening we were at right whatever later on down the line me and him reconnect

on some positive shit cool shit and uh he mistreated his camera guy in front of me. I see a pattern. Yeah, so like he said, oh, this is before podcasting was a thing. We were going to do an interview. He was going to interview my group because we were fucking the hot stuff back then, right?

So fucking, he's going to interview our group. And he's like just throwing things at the, I mean, not throwing things at the camera guy, but like, instead of handing me these headphones, he's throwing him at him or throwing him on the ground at his feet. And he looks at me. And I'm just thinking to myself, like, are you trying to tell me that you just treat, all the fucking help like this or like what are you fucking trying to do you know i mean we carry on with the interview and ever since then we're cordial east side rendezvous is a classic i'll say that so kid frost east side east side rendezvous classic record i know the guy they wrote east side rendezvous

i'm a big fan i'll t the saint oh wow okay now we're we're okay i see what we're doing here that's an appropriate everyone no no no no i just i see what we're doing here and i shall see his son Scoop DeVille. Oh, man, Scoop DeVille. Very dope producer. Yep. Produced that, uh... He's produced some big hits, right?

The recipe for Kendrick and Dr. Jerry. Um... Money, weed, and weather. Yeah, yeah. Women, weed, and weather. With that being said, so how did you initially meet Brownside? At this time, you're still doing video stuff? Okay, yeah, to circle back to that.

I, uh, I was doing video stuff. I got a phone call from one of my clients, from the Illinois Empire, Empire Ryder. Big Sanch plugged me in with the homie Lewis. Lewis introduced me

to Toker so I get the phone call, hey, if you're going to Mexico to film, all right, cool. Well, it wasn't like that but like, hey,

would you be willing to go to Mexico to film? I've been there to the film before. So cool, let's do it. How does this go? They call you pocho? Not the homies there, no,

but yeah, for sure. I know I am. Yeah. One, you know what I'm saying? So he says, I'm going to be in a cowboy hat. We're going to meet at the last exit. before the border.

I mean, at the gas station, I'm going to be in a pickup truck with a cowboy hat. Sounds mad stereotypical. So I get there, and I'm expecting to look for a fool in a pickup with a sombrero. I call this fool like,

dick, where are you? I don't see no freaking vice of homies in a pickup with a sombrero, and he was like, foo, I'm wearing a Dallas Cowboys hat. I'm right next to you. I'm like, dick.

So we go over to Tokers. My first experience, literal very first instance I take my girl at the time with me by the way this all comes into play I'll explain so when we get there there's a family house there's a party house right on

Rosarito Beach the party house the front yard is the beach or is it the backyard depends how you look at it either way it's the beach you're on the beach I could Hakalugi from the thing to the beach amazing the other house is right across the street it's small streets It's Mexico.

It's not like this fucking major intersections right there where we're at. We're in a residential on the beach in Rosarito Beach. So the family house. So I go to the family house first. My girl's talking to Tokers, girl. They're up there chopping it up, getting acquainted, showing them the living quarters. Nice house, great house, beach house, right?

The homie Lewis takes me across the street where there is a very voluptuous hooker. They're awaiting my presence. I was going to ask you about Hong Kong. Oh, we'll get there. So, um, Tokers right there, like, Hey, what's up, big doc? So I shake his hand, whatever, whatever. If we start talking, he was like, hey, uh, just in case you, boy,

that's all you right there. He slaps her legs open to open her legs. I'm like, oh, shit. I'm like, fool my. But you got your bitch with you. Yeah, I'm like, yo, I'm like, and again, I don't really be cheating on my, on my girls and shit. Yeah.

Um, so I'm like, nah my girl's across the street he's like sure I'm like I'm good full I highly appreciate I'd rather take the bread he's like nah this is on me gee you can have this I'm still paying you for the videos and I was like I just laugh

you know I'm always laughing right so I thought that show was hilarious so I was like now my bitch is across the street but I can't do it he's like I'm at at you the homie loose he's like hell yeah I can't confirm nor deny that because I realize that his lady might be watching this so You just put him on a blast.

Lewis, we know you fucked her. No, I'm just playing. Lewis is the man. So, um, anyways. Yeah, that's what happened. Okay. So. And so now I'm there shooting music videos and fucking Rose Reed on Tijuana.

So was Brownside records based down there? No, it's from here. That's what I thought. And he was not deported. Everyone thinks he was deported. Because he's from South Central. He's from South Central. Then he moved to the IE.

and I think something happened, law enforcement related in the IE, and he fled to Mexico where he lived a good life, you know what I'm right? He had a great life over there based on what I saw, you know what I'm saying? Well, so the folklore of what happened to how Brownside Records got founded, or I guess they had already, the story that I heard is the revival or the original? No, no, like they had launched and then in a certain point, they needed some finances and he went to

those businessmen south of the border I don't think so because Brownside was already Brownside this is the story that I heard I don't know if this is accurate or not I don't know too much I know what I know

but I don't know anything about him owning bread or anything like that I was told or not by any individual this is just like from being a fan because I like Brownside you know what I mean and just

hip-hop and all that. For sure. Capper. Go ahead. Am I? I? I'm just fucking around. Go ahead. You're not going to pull my

Chicago hip-hop card. Go ahead. You know what the fuck I'd be doing. Go ahead. You see what the fuck I brought on this damn network. All right? Okay, for the record.

Okay, we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. Go ahead. What? Go ahead. Say your brown side shit. All right.

So apparently, they took out a loan, took out a million-dollar loan from some businessmen south of the border. And that's what got them relaunched. I'm not privy to that. All I know is when I got there, we were ready to rock.

You know what I'm saying? I shot music videos. We've shot music videos in Cabo. We shot music videos in Mexico City. We've done shows in Mexico City. Did you see any lump sums of cash? The very first time I went and we shot a music video, I did see a million dollars cash for the first time ever in my life.

I've seen a fucking hole. You're a dumbass. Interesting coincidence. I've seen a 100K in person. I've seen a quarter in person. I've never seen a mill in person until that day. And it was real money. It was real money.

I even made a comment to him like, you know, you can get fake money. You know what I'm saying? And he laughed at me. He was like, yo, people do that. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, oh, man, this rap gave me what he used to be, man. So did you see at that point,

like you saw a lot of money going out. I never seen him do anything outside of rap, and I don't mean that on some life. No, no, no, no. I mean that like actually, genuinely, I never personally seen him move a pack or move this or move that. Well, you saw a lot of money being spent on the label.

Like you said, there's all these shows. I mean, I know how much I cost. You know what I'm saying? There's videos being made and all that shit. Did you see, was there profit coming back in? Toker definitely makes a gang of bread off of just his catalog alone. So Toker was making dough.

Toker makes money off of his catalog. Like, that's a known fact. Like, if you try to even buy a hard copy of fucking Brownsider, now it's $100.500. Oh, perfect example. See, I even undershot, just to not sound exaggerated, but it is like a lot of money. Yeah, it's, you know, rare out of print, you know, tapes and vinyl.

No, yeah, I've even heard him talk about, because, I mean, I talked to him about, like, music shit for sure. So he would name drop, like, whatever person was trying to, like, still act like they had publishing rights or some, shit like that and yada yada yada and da da da da but lo and behold this was collecting like fat royalty checks monthly from publishing and not to mention the new shit that he dropped he was collecting bread off of that too you know what i'm saying those were stacking millions of views and when that's something else that people don't realize there's a lot of artists brownside being one of them

that sell 80,000 100,000 more units independently out the trunk and where that we're that where they don't have to break off a major label. And, like, artists that are super famous in that scene, like, you know, all the Diablos and Mr. Shadows and Mr. Lil One and even, like, you know, SPM back in the day. Don't fuck the devil. Yeah, I'm just saying, though, you feel me, like, Chingle Bling, Capone, like all these dudes, Mr. Criminal, you know what I mean?

Yep, they all. High power as a whole thing, because we all know that Toker didn't like high power for whatever reason. I still don't even know why. Right. I don't care. But they're one of the most profitable, like, reigning, supreme-ass Chicano rappers ever fucking Copponian criminal. That's what I'm saying.

You can't take certain things away from certain people, right? I'm not fucking dick, right? I'm not kissing ass because, I mean, I was with Toker watching them say fuck these fools. And I had to kind of be on, I wasn't on the same shit. But I was kind of like, well, yo, I'm from Brownside, and I'm sure they're not going to appreciate my presence. So not that anything ever happened because I have encountered a criminal once or twice since. And it was cool. From what I heard, he's a cool ass dude.

Criminal's cool as fuck. And I've been around people that speak to Capone on the phone when I'm doing their videos. And I mean, he's never said anything bad about me. They all seem cool. But. That's probably the only fools I've never shot a video for is Capone and criminal ever. Not too late.

But my point is that these dudes, like there's a whole self-sustaining scene with a huge fan base and market. That ecosystem, just that racket alone is. Right. So just because there's fans that are watching this right now that are no jumper fans that have no clue about any of these artists we're talking about, you have to understand that they're famous within this context. And in the southwestern United States.

Exactly. You know. California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas. Maybe even Texas. Maybe a little bit of Colorado. Maybe a little bit of Utah. For sure. That whole region.

Even Seattle. That whole region. Or is it Washington. Whatever. Yeah. Washington, Oregon. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, the whole western, but really the southwest.

No, absolutely. Cali to Texas. And Mexico itself. And Mexico itself. So you are hired as a video guy. Yeah, so I'm doing the videos, doing the videos, doing the videos. Eventually, the younger homies that Toker wanted to put on from his hood, because I'm the only person involved in Brownside that's not from their hood. Right.

Which is cool. I didn't. Obviously, that could play a certain different way because, again, I don't advertise where I'm from. or anything like that because I don't really push the gang shit narrative because there's other things that come along with that when you do that. Right. So I don't pump that. But everyone knows these fools where they're from, you know what I'm saying?

Because he's highly pumping that shit. You could see fucking placasos in videos and shit. Just for the record, we filmed, if it was for Toker, we filmed the video in Mexico, and it was my job to make it look like South Central. Right. So he tagged up the walls. He did whatever we did. Then I would go to South Central, get a couple of street signs,

a couple little things he mentioned, a couple little acting scenes that the homies would pull off, then put it together, and lo and behold, Toker shot a video on South Central. How? We don't know. Right. Movie magic. So throughout those whole, that whole period of time,

Toker was never in America? No. And he wasn't deported. And he wasn't deported. He was just like, I guess he felt like he was on the run or wanted or something. That's another thing I didn't really go deep on with him. I just know that he was hoping to come back after a certain amount of time had passed.

actual limitations. Facts. Yeah, yeah. Again, he never told me why he was on the run. And yeah. This is fucking interesting stuff. I can't lie. So the whole time we're right there, like he has a beautiful home. Everything's cool. But when does he realize that you're a rapper? I'm at his house like at two in the morning editing something at the crib because I'm staying there for days at a time. I'm going there bi-monthly. And he treated us really good. Just for the record, like we would have Hong Kong budgets. Hong Kong, for those don't know, is the greatest... Amazing Chinese food.

No. Hong Kong's not even in China, is it? No. Well, Hong Kong's its own country adjacent to China. So anyways, long... Hong Kong is the best whorehouse in Mexico. Yeah, slash strip club. Slash a slice of paradise.

So, yeah, we would have budgets. $300, $900, night of your life. And my wife and me have been there, me and all of us have been there together, going hard, making like, like they tell you specifically don't go to Mexico and flex like this. Yeah. And we went to Mexico and flex like that. And somehow we got away with it.

So it was dope. But he realizes at a certain point, you're a rapper. So I'm at his house in the middle of the night, editing. And he comes in, he was like, hey, I'm kind of good at rapping, huh? And I was like, what the fuck makes you bring that stupid shit up? I did a song for my mom. It was my first song solo that I put out.

to the public that don't know about like my previous shit that was called Mama. It was like a Tupac Dear Mama kind of vibe. And he was like, that song Mama, man. They're damn good. I'm gonna do a song just like it. I was like, don't fucking copy.

Again, so I don't know how people look in Revere at Toker, but I talk to that fool like he was my brother. Like, shut the fuck up. Like, you're not going to copy my shit. Like how I talk to everyone. Right. We're all equals.

So I talk my stupid shit and he laughs. We laugh. And he's like, hey, um, we're all gangsters right here. that aren't really rapping. I mean, whatever, right? What he was alluding to is these foods, I'm picking up the homies off the street

and trying to make them rap. They're not rappers. But you, on the other hand, actually rap. You've been through the music industry by yourself, yada, gotta, yada, gotta. If you want to be down, I'll put you on. He's like the only other actual rapper that's on there at that point.

That's been through the gauntlet of the music industry, right? So, um, and obviously I never saw his sort of stardom per se. Right. Like, of being to a major label. I've only done my little personal, empire bullshit, which is still dope in its own right, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, so

he basically alludes to saying that he'll put me on again under the flag and he'll pay for this shit. And I was like, well, I know how this works. So I was like, you don't necessarily got to pay for my shit. You could just pay for the, you could just pick up my slack. Because I know throughout

all my years of rapping, I could finesse this for that or this for that. Oh, you need a photo shoot for your little fucking artist? Okay, I need infinite studio. field time. Obviously, I'm me. I have some kind of notoriety, whatever. Excuse me. So that works out in my favor. So I get a brown side bonus. He chips me off thousands of dollars for signing with him. Technically, I never signed, but I was definitely right there flying. I was there from the beginning. I created the fucking YouTube channel, right? Like, I am part of that camp without question.

So rapper wise, he just let me do what I want to. He always had, he was used to the little home He's not a, well, they're not little homies, my little homies, but he wasn't used to the homies rapping by themselves, so he would bring all the homies and have them in a studio in Mexico, and he would be right there, you know, coaching and orchestrating, however, that he wanted the records to go. I, on the other hand, know how to do my own thing, right? So, and I already have my own studio etiquette, I have my own program that I follow, whatever, right?

So he wanted me to go to Mexico as like, I would never, ever, ever do this under any circumstance, except for the fact just to show you what I can do, so I'm going to do it for you. So we went to the studio, spent a couple hours there. I made like three songs. I think I only kept one, like for the actual project.

And it was like, yeah, you clearly don't need me to be there. So just do whatever you want to do and show me the shit you're doing. And if I fuck with it, we're good. So that's what I did. And then you wind up getting, you know, he kind of makes you, other than himself, the premier artist on the label,

essentially or one of them. We're all taking turns. It's like a real label. So it was the 13 boys up first, the 3ce boys. They did their thing. Then I think it was going to be Clever's turn or someone. But basically, whoever's turn it was, all you. It was all you.

Go ahead. Do your thing. And when you had your turn, you're pretty much. Yeah, I drop my, I drop one, two, three, four videos. And it's time for my, during my rollout, you know how it goes. prepping, doing promo. He got me a publicist. A shot to that nice lady.

Long story short, I'm getting ready to drop my album. I do drop my album. I do a nice sold-out. I don't want to say sold-out because it was like a free concert, but we packed out the entire flagship store in downtown Los Angeles.

It was a great turnout. Different other local Mexican rappers showed up for me, hands, shakes, whatever. You know the vibes. Everything's going good. And then a couple of months, the tragedy strikes and he gets assassinated. You know what I'm saying? Okay.

So August I drop. He dies two months later. Wow. I still have a rollout. You're mid-rollout. I'm mid-rollout. But, like, again, I'm always myself. I don't really like to capitalize or take advantage too much.

I'm a giving kind of guy. I'm a team player. You know what I'm saying? So in that instance, I thought it best to not drop. So your shit never came out. My shit came out, but I mean, I didn't continue the vicious rollout that could have took place and the vicious push that could have came with it, you know what I'm saying? And you're in L.A. when he dies?

I'm in L.A. when he dies. I'm actually shooting a music video for one of the newer artists that he had put on jokes. I'm shooting the boss bitch video. If they're into the scene or into Brownside, then they know exactly what I'm talking about. So I spoke to him that day at 2 o'clock. And again, I talked to him like he's my bro. So, I mean, he is my bro. He was one of my groomsmen's in my wedding.

You know what I mean? That's my dog. So I talked to him that day. We talk our stupid shit. The day carries on. I get a phone call, like five phone calls in the middle of the night. My phones are on Do Not Disturb.

I've gotten like a million phone calls this whole time. And you never know. So I wake up and I look. And I'm like, what the fuck? So I call the homie like at 7 in the morning like, yo, what the fuck happened? They're like, yo, they got the homie. And I was like, well, what the fuck are you talking about?

got the homie. They got B. They got B. Like, damn, they got B. Like, damn. Because B is his hood name, Beaver. So I'm like, damn. Um, well, why don't you foods just go bail him out? Like, stop acting fucking stupid. Go hit the fucking get the bread and bail him out. He was like, nah, dog, they got him. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm coming over. So the homie comes over and he hits me with the news, dog. And that shit was crazy. Like, So again, I'm not. I'm not. Chills to this day. I'm sorry, RIP Toker.

Yeah, RIP Tokes. Go ahead. I'm not saying anything that's not already on the internet. No, absolutely. Nothing I've said this whole interview, just for those in case people think that I'm being loose-lipped. This is all information. No, this is all things that have been speculated on the internet.

Aside from him, obviously, clearly not being with us. That's not speculation. That's a fact. So the story is that the folklore is... I can honestly say, I know what you're going to say. I could honestly say I don't know if he actually owed bread. That million dollars that the businessman gave to him.

I honestly never heard that prior till after he died and then even in that instance I didn't know that that was a thing. Like honestly, I would tell you. But it makes sense though. I don't see how, but I mean, I guess. I mean, you can see that somebody... I could understand if you're in the game

and you're fucking around, then yeah, maybe. But I've never again, I've never seen that fool do anything outside of our music shit. And I've been in the comfort. Well, you know businessmen. This is my dog. And of course, if he's conducting other business when I'm not fucking right there next door, that's his shit.

But to be in debt that way, the way we moved, the way we played around in Mexico, we were like, it's high risk behavior that we're doing. I'm right there with all my jewelry on. We're all right there doing whatever. We wanted drunk, slip in, and major metro, major metro. areas. Sounds like you might have been under the protection of businessmen. So with that being said, even with that being said, like after he died, there was conversations that were had behind the scenes. I'm not going to get too in detail with that. But one of the

homies had even told me like, yo, they said it was business, nothing personal. Otherwise, they would have did all of us. And they, you know, his wife and kids survived as well. Yes, they did. They abducted him from his home in the middle of the day. I talked to him at two. They took him from his crib like around five. Wow. The story is that, again, because I didn't see footage, but I mean, his wife isn't going to fucking lie. She doesn't give a fuck about this rap shit whatsoever.

The story is the cops came to the pad. Ten deep. They entered the home. And they basically abducted him from his house. And Toker was like, yo. The cops objected him? Yeah, allegedly. because the cops are

the cops are the cops in Mexico, right? Whether they were the cops or not is something I don't know, right? Because I'm not on the other side of that. But they abducted him from his home and one of the things that he said was because his little boy was big enough to understand like,

yo, why the fucking cops are here in my house? Like, don't hurt my dad. Because remember, I even shot videos for the little boy, you know what I'm saying? Little tokes. He said, nah, papa. These guys are just here for a music video. They're not going to hurt me.

This is a music video, right? And again, part of the story that I was told was like, they're like, nah, we're not going to hurt your dad. We're just here for the music video. And then they gave him the cue like, hey, put your fucking bitch and your kid away, homie. Yeah. And they took him, and they found him on the side of the road with contusions on his head, his arms and legs broken. And I believe, 63 rounds through his body. I saw the coroner's report myself

because again, I was close with the family, you know what I mean? So, yeah. Unfortunate. Yeah, definitely kind of crazy. One of the most underrated talents in, you know. A lot of people say a lot of things. He was too crazy on his lives. He was this.

He was that. Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. Like, it seemed like when he, however. That's definitely not the behavior of someone that owes bread, though. Well, whatever. the source of funding was whatever he there's money in the label the label is doing good at a certain

point and a lot of people say that he got too focused on beefing with Kid Frost beefing with Caponi I think he was just fucking around because it's not like that ever materialized into like street gang no not on some rat beef though I mean he didn't go out of his way and drop a diss song

you know what I'm saying but he was he was talking his shit he would talk his shit when he was bored at home like we all do you know what I'm saying I guess and he kind of was insinuating that he's that dude from you know of Latin rap and these other fools are not and he would definitely talk

a lot of crazy shit and it was hilarious right these are lives you can still see a lot of them are still like yeah there's like hundreds like 100 episodes he was going to ham on actually it was Facebook live it wasn't even Instagram live a lot of them like it was YouTube or Facebook yeah yeah yeah it was like before Instagram Live

was even popping like that it was like the early days of IJ live. Exactly. Because then I remember we started getting screen recorded and that was all the rage like, damn, that fool fucking recorded it da da da da da, yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, so they killed them and then we buried them and then

I quit. People were like, yo, if you quit, okay, so you quit rapping altogether? No, I quit being from the brown side and then by default I just didn't rap anymore. Not because I couldn't, like I've made a song with Swiftie and Doob, well, I made a song with Swiftie Blue and Dooboy 9-0-0. So, so my dog, Dooboy. Those are the homies. Yeah, those are the homies. I made a song with them.

I've done a feature theater there. You checked in with Swifty? I don't need to check in with Swiftie. We're cool. I got his blessings. You know what I'm saying? So, he checked in,

the other side, not the other side. I mean, like whatever, but fucking Swifty School's cool as fuck. But long story short, I just told everyone like, yo,

because again, we're super cool. Everyone comes to my son's baby shower, so I guess this is about four and a half years ago at this point. I'm like, yo, I quit. I don't need to be a part of the label no more. I mean, like, I completely stopped my album rollout.

Completely. Like, I didn't even make a peep. I didn't even post the video no more. Like, that was it. When it happened, I told myself, I'm not going to be the guy that capitalizes on this moment. Was that a smart thing to do? Probably not.

But was it the honorable thing to do to me, it was. And I haven't said that. Beyond honorable, you were probably just, like, soured by the... I was dead. definitely sad. You know what I'm saying? The whole toker for everything. I'm the one that, you know what I mean? The wing picture, like that was, I'm pumping all this shit out. You know what I mean? That's my dog. You know what I mean? So I just quit, dog. You know what I mean? Like, it just is what it is. It wasn't on no scary shit. You see how I roll around. Not to say it like that. I'm not a tough guy. I'm not a killer. But you see,

like, I do whatever the fuck I want everywhere I go. I'm still in the streets, shooting videos in all different hoods every single day. It's just tooker was the glue. Toker's the one that financed everything. And the glue when the finance was gone, dog, and that's just what it was. Don't get me wrong. I was friends with these guys. I still hold them dear to my heart. We have a lot of good memories. You know what I'm saying?

But it is what it is, and everyone just went their own ways. You know what I mean? So I told them all individually that I was going to quit. Toker's brother was like, man, shut the fuck. Thinking I'm playing, because I was my dog, too, like closer than mostly everyone else. Thravi G., the super dude. Super G of the squad. That's my dog.

You know what I mean? Me and that food have done crazy little shit together, crossing the border together, getting pulled over, da, da, da, da. That's the homie, you know what I mean? I would give him my advice about little rap shit here and there,

whatever. He was like, yo, it's going to look like you're being a bitch. And I was like, well, yeah, because it's like, you're scared because there's, you know, these rumors going around. But this is months after already, though.

And I already, like, again, like, days after his death, things are being said, like, from real sources. however that information came about of like, yo, it's, again, it's not personal, it's business. Otherwise, we would have got this food when he was eating tacos with his bitch.

We would have got chew right there drunk at Hong Kong. We would have got this and this. You know what I mean? So they were watching y'all the whole time. No, yeah, they're always watching everyone in Mexico. It was just, that was just unknown fact given to us. Like, could do whatever we wanted, which you stupid ass food is right there slipping.

Yeah. So, I mean, cool. But I mean, I've gone to Mexico since. countless times. And I don't mean to say that like, oh, I'm still in Mexico, homies. I just mean like, it wasn't for me. Yeah.

Like, it wasn't meant for me. No one was tripping on you. I don't think so, no. Otherwise, I'm sure I would have gotten got by then because I've still filmed countless music videos in Mexico. And this is what, six years ago that happened? Yeah, absolutely. But, yeah, to get to the quitting shit, I just quit.

And it is what it is. And then later, you know how shit gets twisted and turned. All of a sudden I got kicked out and other people got kicked out. And other people got kicked. out and da-da-da-da-da but I mean I didn't get kicked out you could ask any single one of them my quit There's a video when they talk about the shit and they just said I they're clearly talking shit about other people saying yeah that food got the boo he can't come around And they just said and they live chat they're like well what about Icon they're just like well Icons out too They didn't go out of their way to say fuck Icon he's a fucking bitch

None of that which they would have maybe if if I indeed had gone marked out like a bitch and kicked out. Yeah, I'm sure they would have said that especially Thravi. Thravi's the wildest one. That food don't give a fuck about what he's going to say. That food's all the way with the shits, you know what I mean? But they were upset that you left. Definitely. I believe, I don't know how much everyone gave a fuck,

but Toker's wife definitely wasn't pleased with it, to my understanding. And I understand because, like, again, we're super close. I went with her to go get the coroner paperwork. I went with her to the fucking funeral home. I'm not saying I chose the home. He's casket.

I'm not saying I chose what he was going to fucking wear when he was getting buried. but I mean, I was definitely a support person right there, you know what I mean? Like, whatever I can help with, you know what I mean? So, yeah. So there's that. And so I quit and that was that, you know what I mean? And I mean, I've seen some of the homies since then.

I mean, like, I think not too long after fucking I seen, I seen the Thresi boys somewhere because, I mean, they're still outside fucking around. I'm still outside fucking around. I bump into them. They were eating fucking marisicles. I walked up and took a fucking piece of the fucking Moneiscoes from their plate. Like, you're not going to just... It was cool still.

Yeah. I think it's still cool now, you know what I mean? Because there's no reason for it not to be. But the video thing's been your bread and butter. Yep. Let people know about your lady, your wife. So, okay, I'm shooting videos, whatever, whatever, whatever. Most recently, obviously I'm the video guy, right?

For all the fucking cool fucking Mexican guys in Southern California, great. I stop rapping. I don't really rap no more. Again, the little features here and there. Cool, great for me. I start a new show of my wife and is doing fairly well. It's called Indicted TV. My wife has done, was indicted under the RICO Act in 2008 for a very specific popular gang in the Northeast L.A. area. And she went down for the RICO for five. So she has a story. One day we were just sitting around. She's like, what can I do? I was like, well, you definitely ain't going to be a singer, bitch. You know what I'm saying? I know how that goes for girls in the industry. So I was like, what can we do for you? And I was like, I know what. Let's tell your story. So from one day to the next, we were sitting on the couch

just like this, what you want to do? Let's tell your story. The next day I went and I go collect all kinds of different prison clothes or what have you. And then... And she's also the L.A. tooth fairy. And she's also the L.A. tooth fairy. So she does teeth winding and tooth gems and shit like that. Shouts to her. Dope-ass lady. So Indita's going up.

Indita's going up. What are your thoughts? Because I know your homies with Duno. What are your thoughts on all the controversy that happened with the whole American Cholo incident over here last year? So, you know, everyone's entitled to their opinion. That song was definitely the way it was portrayed was kind of out of pocket for sure. The Tiger song. Yeah, the Tiger song.

Shout out to T-R-R-L. saying. The target song was awful. The videos. It was definitely a thing, right? So, Duno's my boy. I've known Duno for a few years. Like, I don't know, maybe four or five years.

And before he was cool Duno, he was just a little fat Duno, you know what I'm saying? So I know him, right? So, long story short, basically, I knew they were coming up here. I know most of the individuals that were coming up here with Bozo and Gil. So I just came to be by Duno's side Like, hey, fool, you know, alone don't trip, it's all good Not again, I'm not tough

I wasn't gonna fucking kill everybody there If they try to hurt Duno But I mean, at least it's a familiar face With the little homie, whatever, whatever, right? He's being very humble, by the way. Yeah, so I mean, it went down, how I went down. Bozo came up there, he said his peace, he said what he meant, and Adam was at home

on a poker tournament. Everyone was like, yo, Adam ain't no fucking poker tournament. He actually was on his laptop. Right. And this was clearly betting big bread. Anyways, I'm not sticking up for Adam. They're going to be like, oh, you're fucking worshiping the white man right now.

I mean, fact is, Adam is a fucking gambler, and he was gambling on his fucking laptop. Who knows how much money he had invested? I mean, he had no idea that fools are going to show about the office like that. I think work definitely got around pretty quick, you know what I mean? Because AD pulled up, whatever, right? AD didn't have to be there. Duno didn't have to be there. Flacco was there.

That was my first time ever meeting Flokker. they definitely kicked him out of the office. The office was definitely not this big. The office was like just this. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, what do I think about it though? I mean, the homie showed up. You know what I mean?

All the homies showed up. Not all the homies showed up, but homies definitely showed up and they definitely said whatever they wanted to say. And I mean, I think it was pretty respectful, right? I think so. How it could have gone was a lot. Could have gone a lot. It could have really far left.

Very far left. But, I mean, it didn't. And it was cool. And from that instance, yeah, that was my first encounter at No Jumper. What are your thoughts? Second, because I came up to see Krip Mac. What are your thoughts on black and brown relationships in L.A.? I mean, I guess it really just depends on where you live and where you grew up.

For me, it's not a thing at all because, again, like, one of my best friends was black. And I hate to say I like that because, you know, I don't know, people just say that stupid shit. but it's facts. He's tattooed on me right here. Like, he's my dog, my best friend. Was he like a... No, he wasn't a black homie. He wasn't a black friend

that turned into a Mexican gangster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just... Regular black dude. A black homie of ours, you know what I mean? That grew up where we grew up. I mean, he was definitely part of the tagging crew and all that shit.

Right. But, I mean, he didn't get all the way put on onto the hood and all the extra shit, you know what I'm saying? So, but I mean, yeah, as far as black and brown relations, it's all love. It should be all love, right?

I mean, again, certain people have different outlooks because they've done bigger prison stints or they've had to go through vicious race wars or whatever, whatever. I haven't had to go through that, so my outlook on that isn't the same as everyone else's, you know what I'm saying? It just is what it is.

So I think it's all love as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, being a part of hip hop culture, though, and like... Oh, yeah, I don't want to say we're visiting because it was started by blacks and browns in New York. Right. Not Mexicans, but Puerto Ricans, right?

Right. Right. But, I mean, I don't find myself as a visitor. I find myself as a contributor, you know what I'm saying? Because, I mean, I'm not saying I've shot Drake's latest video, but I've definitely done my fair share of contributions to hip hop, whether it be through music or videos and helping all these fine young gentlemen follow their dreams. You know what I'm saying?

There are certain areas, though, where there's a lot of tension between black and browns and browns. Absolutely. But, I mean, like Long Beach maybe, for instance. that's highly activated. I've shot a music video in Long Beach in front of Das Dillinger's auntie's house with RIP badass, Frank Nitty, Pilot P, D3

the Rockstar, all popular Long Beach human beings and we got dumped on severely. Damn. Severely I've been shot at right there. Like you could feel the sonic of it, like the sonic waves of it that close. Like, oh shit. I've been shot at,

across the street from a nipsy store on a slostening Crenshaw, right across the street from one of them popular halls or whatever. It's on hood, is it hood stories? Not hood stories. Street gangs? Well, what's his name? Alonzo? Yeah, yeah.

Alfonso or Alonzo? Alonzo, I believe. I don't want to sound racist. I believe it's an Mexican thing, right? Anyways, long story short, the story, I'm not going to say his name, but the story that I'm about to say is we, basically, bottom line, we got sprayed up right there, too. I had to take my black client to the hospital.

Why the one Mexican, the only Mexican guy there out of all the 30, 40 black dudes that was right there, hopefully from his hood too and wherever the fuck else, why am I the guy that took him to the fucking hospital? So, I mean, I'll be saving black people too, man. That's a stretch, but... I feel like this gave a lot more insight into your character and your past.

There's a lot of stories you've already told. I don't even want to get into the Buster Rhymes thing because you've already low-key told that story before. Go to the no-jumper clips. It's not even on no-jumper clips. I got robbed of that one. But it's definitely on the news, right? So, I mean, it's on one of the news clips. Do you want to tell that story?

I was sent to New York as a rapper by the publicist from Brownside. It was in the swing of the Brownside stuff. I was there in the summer. They flew me out to go do a show of Buster Rhymes and X amount of other people. I think Fad Joe was on it, all kinds of other people. Fat Joe didn't show up, though. So I'm right there in the trailer, whatever. I have my own little trailer.

Not that I'm super special, but I mean, I had a trailer. Cool, good for me. Buster Rhymes didn't have a trailer. I said coming to my trailer, he came into my trailer, he did his thing. I needed the publicist, not required, not required, but wanted me to get a drop like anyone would. Like any publicist, like a... Your little video drop? Associate yourself with all the popular people there.

You're outgoing. Do your thing. Do what you usually do. And I was like, okay. I hit a Buster for the drop. He said, no. He didn't say no, he said in a little while. I asked him again before I was getting later.

Before I rapped, I rapped. He said after you come off, whatever. He saw me clearly rocked the fucking show, the kids, the autographs, the pictures, whatever. You cannot not see that. I'm the only fucking Mexican there as well. Rocking the Mexican flag, you know what I mean? So before he goes on stage and it's on camera, it looks however it looks.

positive. So I ask him like, yo, I'm sorry to ask you this, but could I get that drop before you go on stage? Because I'm going to dip out after. He was like, if you're sorry, you shouldn't have to ask. And I was just like, I have a fucking crazy sense of humor. So that was just hilarious that he told me that. And it's hilarious that bust the rhymes told little fucking ghetto homeless boy me, that shit.

So I was like, I think on camera I even said, I. Well, I held back my laugh. And, I mean, I still got on stage with Busta. We still, I mean, whatever, right? It was a fucking charity event. So I dipped. But yeah, I definitely think Buster Rhymes is the fucking Markass fool for that. Can he beat my ass as a big old guy?

Maybe. But I mean, you're still a Buster, Busta. Damn. You're still a legend, though. Cannot take away from the fact of that. I still got on stage with him. I don't really work with a lot of pride, fool. So why you ain't give the homie a drop?

Hey, but Spliff. Spliff start, cool. Spliff star, baby. You know, I've heard a lot of horror stories about him. I've heard mixed. I've heard some people say he's cool, but I've heard a lot of people like. I don't know what maybe he was going through at that moment. I don't really give a fuck.

It's long gone. I mean, I got footage of it looking real, real fucking fly with me next to Buster Rhymes. He spit on someone's car. He's beating up random people, fans, all kinds of crazy shit. And what's the last chapter of this story for me, being here? Being over here, what makes you think that you're a dope podcaster? I think I'm myself. I don't act too cool on the camera.

I give my genuine opinion. I'm just genuinely me. I'm highly self-aware of the stupid shit I say, and I don't give a fuck, bitch, pull up. So, I mean, and again, I also don't say disrespectful shit. I have an opinion. If I don't like it, I don't like it. Sue me, bitch, what you're going to do? But, yeah.

And just for the record, Lush did not bring me to no jumper, although he said that recently. that's a job. Although Lush was pushing hard. Lush did. Lush did. So look, even did this punk-ass interview. Facty facts.

So just a long story, just to abbreviate this story of the No Jumper Saga for Icon, long story short. The thing happened, whatever, with the American Cholo stuff coming up here.

Is that, by the way, you're going to say earlier in the interview? Earlier, something along those lines. Yeah. I don't really remember, but it was something.

Because I was talking about my contributions to Chicano or my love for Chicano hip-hop. I was going to say some stupid show. I remember earlier on the news. But point is, Duno got my wife an interview up here.

I came on camera with my wife because Duh, I'm the executive producer of the show. And she died my ugly ass T. So that was before, though. The T thing was after. That's the new building. Before I was at the old building. I was on camera with Duno.

Duno did the interview my wife. We got off camera. Josh, Vice President of No Jumper, decided that me and Duno on camera was really dope. And we should explore that. And so after weeks of me harassing

Duno and moving into the new office, I made it. And I don't know, 20 news episodes later and a million Duno's T-O, who's Duna, who's the fucking transformation of Lush and Duno combined? That's a good one. I've

made it here. That's a good one. And you know, Josh was nice enough to put me on, you know what I'm saying? And now you could catch me every Friday on your music stream. Make your donations. If you want your ship Played. And the news, right? Whenever they tell me, well, Friday's for sure for the news and whatever other days.

And whatever else I got going on. I got a lot of cool, big interviews coming up with Adam, somewhat lush. Yes, sir. For what it's worth. I think that you are a great addition. I like to see it. I'm your affirmative action hires since do no is that Power 106. Shout out to the brown guys.

Beyond like, you know, like. Who's the only other Mexican here, Riley? Yeah. Besides filling and me by affiliation. But as far as beyond you feeling that very important niche within, you know, a Los Angeles hip-hop network, just you as a personality and just contributor, it means a lot of... Yeah, yeah, I think you make a lot of sense. How did you feel about your disc track? Be honest.

Now that AD's not here. You did good? You did good? My people liked it. You feel me? Everyone fucked with it. It was cool. I thought it was hard.

You did your thing. Thank you for allowing that. to take place. Yeah, and I think people would like to hear some more reps from you. Gina, hit me up. Yeah. You're ready for these Mexican bars. Go crazy with it.

You feel me? Although I do feel like I got the W over, you know, everybody. Everybody? I can't be mad at that confidence. Yeah, that's how we do. Regardless, I can't any final words before we sky up out this bitch. If you ever want to be a podcaster, be yourself. Don't fucking be tough.

If you ever want to be a rapper, be yourself. Don't be fucking tough. If you're from the hood, bang the hood. but you don't got to make it everything, you know what I'm saying? Because there's a lot of twists and turns that come with behaving a certain way in front of these cameras. Don't let the cameras and the bitches and the bread if you even get that far. A lot of people don't even get to the bitches and the bread. But if you are lucky enough to acquire some of those accolades, just be yourself, you know what I'm saying?

Because you could lose friends and relationships over this rap and this podcasting bullshit. Like just don't let shit get to your head, you know what I'm saying? Just honestly be yourself, you know what I'm saying? I'm from East Los Angeles. list, the east side of LA. I rep that shit proud. And that's it. Shout out to motherfucking hip hop. Hip hop saved my life, I guess. That part. I hate to sound corny, but... No, I can relate. Here I am being a responsible adult, fucking doing whatever I got to do, and it's all based off of hip hop. I don't trap. I don't do nothing on the side. It's all

music money, so shout out to the music gods. From the west side to the east side, locking it down. Come on, you know the vibes.