No Jumper - Lamar Odom on Starting a Podcast with Caitlyn Jenner, Diddy, Kanye, ODing & More

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Lamar Odom linked up with Adam to talk about his brand new podcast with Caitlyn and their cohost Zach, his past challenges, reality TV, and more! ----- 0:00 Intro 0:22 Lamar and his associate Zach present their podcast "Keeping Up With Sports" (like Keeping up with Kardashians) 3:30 Are the Kardashians really mad at the pod? "The show is not about them" 4:40 Why Caitlyn is not doing press with Lamar? 7:30 Adam is surprised he didnt see them at the P Hub awards, Zach praises Plug Talk, Adam asks if there's any chance his pod takes the same trajectory lol "NOPE!" 9:20 Lamar is single: "I enjoy m****bation"; Adam asks what's his ritual? "Get up and do it" 11:25 Lamar says ex NBA player Larry Sanders started doing p, Adam remembers shooting his shot with Keysah Chavis 13:05 Lamar says he used to play with Joe Smith and that he can rap too 13:55 Lamar says he jumped in the pod scene coz it's poppin so he was like why not, while reality TV is scripted, he says his show with Khloe was not at all, "Lam Lam" was his nickname 16:00 Adam explains his April fools prank and how the roll out/build up came about 17:28 Zach keeps repeating what Adam says 18:38 Lamar says he wants more kids 21:05 De Niro had a kid at 80, how do you even have sex at 80? lol, The 3 ask Adam's dad who's in the room 22:40 Lamar interview with Bootleg Kev, Kev is so knowledgeable on basketball 26:30 Lamar recovery homes project, money is tight he's looking for investors, Lamar says he's the best person to do this coz he lived it 28:40 Lil Peep od kinda woke a few ppl up from using 29:28 After the coma, Lamar never tried any drugs again, says he had 12 strokes and 6 heart attacks after the coma 29:55 Adam asks who would have been motivated to harm him, says he gave the owner of the place, Dennis, $75,000 soon as he walked in, dude was sketchy 31:30 Rumor has it that Lamar tried blow during a wild night, a dude left Lamar with his girl to be w her that night 32:53 Adam tells a story of a podcaster who wanted Adam to F his wife 37:50 Adam talks about his friend who od while in rehab, Lamar wants to start his own facility, 39:30 Lamar talks about enablers, his best friend was one of them, his "get high buddy", however that friend didn't survive 40:00 Says they were hangin out one day he took his shoes off and Lamar says it smelled like death 42:37 Adam recalls the Blackout Girls episode w that girl talking about Tristan Thompson and Khloe sending a cease and desist 45:25 Adam says he has a scene later on that day, Lamar asks if he can watch 46:30 Adam asks if Lamar is still a s*x a**ct, long pause/laughs 48:30 Diddy parties, you're safe when it's a big party not like 4 ppl type thing 51:50 Kanye’s fall from grace? Lamar says he looks up to Kanye coz he's black, an owner, although they haven't really been in touch since he woke up from his coma 55:30 Lamar guests on the pod, Sugar Ray Leonard was a guest and talked about ab***e 57:55 Lamar says it was a wake up call to be in a coma coz he might still be wild if it hadnt happened 58:40 Lamar wants to be surrounded by ppl who motivate him, who are smarter than him, that he can learn from 1:01:45 Lamar wants to help the homeless/clean it up, but he doesn't know how, seeing kids on skid row is heartbreaking 1:05:05 "1 + 1 = 1 not circle" huh? lol 1:07:00 Zach and Adam tell Lamar what Soft White Underbelly is 1:08:05 Lamar is hungry at that point, he wants to eat not "Baja Fresh" lol, Zach wanna bulk up 1:10:40 Lamar keeps looking at Lena's flash light "she got a nice box" lol 1:11:40 Would Lamar give a t***s a chance? "This guy's crazy" Lamar walks out Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper coolest podcast in the world and today we're making history Lamar Odom is on the podcast along with the co-host of his new podcast Talking about sports did I heard I you just gonna about sports keeping up with sports keeping up with sports You chose to go with the most non-specific name possible like easily Google a no we didn't choose that name We think it's kind of corny because it's like keeping up with the Kardashians but because it's like Oh, exactly. It's a spin-off. Come on, man. You're sharper than that, bro.

No, I thought I was sharper than that, but that's a pretty good point. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Damn. So, okay, I'm kind of almost more interested in how you became a part of this. For the record, for the record, because I was watching Lamar Odom content for like an hour or two before I came upon a piece of content that made me realize, oh, Caitlin Jenner is also part of this podcast. Yeah.

I'm like, now that kind of adds a whole different element. That's the hook. Yeah. So how did you get involved in this? A guy, Steve, who knows both of us, had this crazy idea to put me, Caitlin and Lamar together. You know if you know one person in the entertainment world,

you really know like... He's on a couple of reality shows. You know what I mean? Different shit. And he put this together, got us together. Once I heard that Caitlin was doing, I was like, yeah, I want to do it. I haven't seen my family a little bit.

So... Okay. So what are your prior qualifications to be doing this podcast? I did Kiss in the Miss with Jada Kiss. Oh, really? Yeah, World Star Hipop. I think we're the number one.

World Star Race. show and then I do Pac-Mzac with Pac-Man Jones. Okay. And a couple of another show, Rashad Evans, the fight guys. But mainly the one people know me for us with Kiss. Yeah, I'm going to do the late show. I got a liquor podcast, too. He's got some podcast stripes too.

Because I'm so not a basketball guy that I was really surprised to realize that a lot of people out here are watching entire basketball games and then listening to two-hour podcasts about that basketball game. That's crazy. That's normal, though. You guys are not even slightly surprised to hear that. I don't think I have enough hours in the day to. consume that much content.

Yeah? Yeah, Draymond Green does this podcast like right after the game. Does he? He got ejected the other night and then he went straight to the podcast. To the podcast? To talk about how he got ejected. That's incredible. It's awesome.

It's called double dipping. It's almost kind of crazy that NBA is even allowing that to happen. You feel like at some point the more prolific this gets, the more that they might want to shut it down. I shot a full-blown reality show in season. That's a good point, too. In 2011, I think it was. Yeah.

It's crazily allowed that too. Well, it's the Lakers. Yeah, that's dope. So I think they understand the Hollywood impact. They were, like, in the locker room, right? Yeah, everywhere. They're open-minded. That was cool.

Definitely. But I don't know. I feel like if I'm the NBA and you're playing in my game all fucking day, it's like I want to also own the content of you discussing that game. Because, okay, a lot of players are kind of salty about having to do all this required media shit after the game, right? But then they all gleefully go off and do podcasts because they own the content, so they feel invested in it, right? Yeah. Yeah, taking ownership.

Right. You already own me on the court. You can't own me every fucking thing I do. Every player is a podcast now. Stoobers fucking fucked up that they even call them owners. Yeah, like it's hard to even imagine what the lane is for the like sports expert when you can get shows that are potentially going to have like experts and ex-players who come with like massive amounts of celebrity.

Yeah, you have team up. I need Lamar. You think? You think? Yeah. or Feta, whoever, you know. We need each other. Yeah.

Definitely. So is the Daily Mail pushing fake news when they say that the Kardashian family is very, very upset about this and that they're terrified of what you're going to say on this podcast? Yeah, I think they're pushing fake news with that. You think? Yeah. Because I know Bruce is still really, excuse me, Caitlin's still really close with Chloe. And I think he had a conversation with her about it.

That's what I was thinking. They can't be just blindsided by this. right? I mean, you know, business is business. If our business doesn't, you know, include them, then it doesn't. But, you know, the show is not about them. You know what I mean? It's about life, you know, in sports. How structured is it? How structured is it? How many episodes have you filmed already? Six. Okay. And it's exclusively available where? It'll be YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Oh, but it hasn't actually launched it. No. Okay, I was making sure because I couldn't find the episodes.

I was just like, I just want to make sure I'm not totally, that would be a problem. That would be a problem. That's why we're going on. It's like a little run tour thing.

Right. Trying to get somebody to pick it up, I guess. But you guys are doing the media run just you two. So to me,

this kind of like reveals a potentially fatal flaw of this whole thing. Do you worry that the celebrity level of Caitlin is so immense that she's not going to be down to do the grind

like going and doing no jumper. She's doing some PR money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Caitlin is incredible as a host, though. I mean, just think about it. You know, a relationship with the Kardashians,

Olympic gold medalists. Draft of the NBA. Drafting the NBA. You know. But your transformation from the most masculine guy to a woman. Right. That's enough to talk about it, I would think. Have you ever talked about that with her?

No. Talk about on the show a little bit. We don't know a little bit. Yeah. You talked about some surgeries and going through some hard. times that is a good part about being a podcast you get to really find out about the trans experience you can talk I mean why is that so funny it was a joke that's well no I'm not I'm not joking I'm having a shit low conversation like every podcast is about the

guys okay we're members of the trans community mostly yeah I'm not having this conversation with just like every heterosexual man but like as heterosexual men we're interested in it yeah well you can bring up a topic of your choice. Right. On your own time. Do you want to know what blew my mind that I found out the other day? What's that? If you or you were to want to turn your penis into a vagina,

it could cost upwards of like $150,000. It should cost more than that. Yeah. The barrier to entry is maybe a little higher. That's crazy. I don't know. I mean, you know, you know, yeah, that's a real psychological thing. That's what you would have to be.

What does Caitlin call it? Hormone, not hormone dyspharmia. What does he call it again? Gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria. She talks about growing up with gender dysphoria and being, you know, a young person and dealing with that and how it motivated her to train so hard. It's in the back of her mind.

Oh, well, that's really interesting. Pushing her, yeah. So that comes out on the show, too. Damn, that's fascinating. Yeah. I don't know, though, like a set of tits is like 30 grand. So I guess I was kind of surprised to find out that the vagina is like, Five X that.

Going from a man's chest to a woman's chest is $30,000? No, just like a woman getting a boob job. Oh, a woman's a boob. I don't know. I think there's chicks doing it for five or ten grand probably too, but some legit boobs, maybe 20, 30, no scars or anything like that, right? You don't want that. No, you don't want that.

It's not ideal. Okay. But a lot of that has to do with how dark their skin is. The really, really pale chicks, they get the scar under their boob, and I noticed that you can't really see it that good. Yeah? But I know some women are like Filipino different like a little bit darker and it stands out more So that's my expert analysis of that I'm surprised I didn't see you guys at the Pornhub Awards last night

The what? The Pornhub Awards. Yes, last night The Pornhub awards. Yeah, this guy's gonna pull up. Would you have gone? 100% I would have pulled up.

I would have pulled up. Big L porn hub. I mean, you know, everybody got me clever. Did you win anything? No, I don't think I was nominated. Oh. I think it was fan nominated. But also, I don't even know.

there's any categories that would have been like applicable. Best porn podcast? No, we won that at the Avians, but I'm, porn hub I don't think they're doing that. All right. You got a porn podcast, huh? Yeah. Plug talk.

They interview the girl. And then they fuck the girl. Yeah. Any chance that your podcast ends up taking a similar trajectory? Nope. Can't do that piece, kid. Can't do that piece, kid.

Okay, but my question is it seems like for any future, relationships that you end up in the fact that you now do a presumably extremely successful podcast with your ex mother-in-law that could be strange to your future ambitions of being in a relationship right I don't think so you don't think so no how I make my money you face like crazy I don't think so but I don't know if that logic's going to take you that far because what if you decide you want to be a porn star

like how I make my money it's none of your business I'm a man I mean, you know, I don't know. So if you end up in a relationship at this point, it needs to be on your terms. I think so. I mean, you know, 50-50, I would say. But she can't tell you who to podcast with. No. That's telling me, like, where to work and how to work.

I don't know for that. Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. What is the status of your love life right now? Single. Fully single? Yeah.

Like fake single. What's fake single? You gotta... I have friends or like, you know. What is what you would call it? I just like, if I'm Lamarck. Do I have sex? Yeah, let's answer that first.

Yeah, what's a sex life like? Once in a while. Once in a blue? Yeah. You're not like... I enjoy masturbation. I tell you the truth. Really?

Yeah. What's your ritual? Get up and do it. There ain't no ritual. How many screens? Because I've become a two-screener. Two screens. Two porn windows pulled up.

Oh, you're addicted to the same time. I don't know if I'm addicted. You're a point guy. You just like it. I mean, I just, I want to be inundated for those five minutes, you know? And if I'm just staring at one scene, it's just, it's not enough. Two scenes? I didn't get that bad.

I didn't get that bad. When I missed my girl. Yeah. I was in Vegas playing the World Series of poker. Yeah. Not baseball. And, yeah, you know, it was kind of like missing her. It's like, I want to go revisit that sort of context.

Yeah. They're slaughtering me in the comments right now for the record for for talking about sex with you guys so much It's all right. It's kind of a stare at ready It happens. I was probably I was gonna bring it up anyway Yeah, really I'm gonna be at my favorite I'm like I'm like I'm like in like this guy's the man over here. Oh really? Okay So normal we respect it Terrestrial men look up to NBA players but then the NBA players look up to the adult stars We have somebody look up

to right yeah the stereotype I look up to people that's living their dream and watching your podcast it seems like you're living your dream what podcasts have you watched in recent memory of mine this morning the um your sex podcast with uh your your wife wife yes you watched an episode facts which one um I forgot which one it was one girl with blonde hair she got a fat ass sounds about around to this yeah Because, like, the stereotype is that the rappers want to be the NBA players, and the NBA players want to be the rappers. Yeah. It's a ex-N-Ba player.

It just got into the porn, too. Really? Yeah. Yeah, Larry Sanders is his name. Really? Yeah. That's dope. No.

Just got into it. I had a... Take some balls together. Like, you know what I mean? He's like seven feet. No pun intended. Yeah, I got to tap in with that. I got to see what he's looking like, Paul.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't see what he's looking like, Paul. See what he's working with. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he's like shack size I was really shooting my shot with a

What's your name? Kisha Chavez? Joe Smith's wife Oh, I saw that ex-wife. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, I believe they're still married. They were like going to turmoil and she was like... Do you remember that? Yeah.

They get into the argument about her starting an only fan secretly And then it comes out that she actually had this whole adult career in the 90s and everything. And then now she's just kind of frustrated with their relationship getting a little stagnant. So she started up in O. You think that was real or promotion for the OF? Man. Did it work? I don't know if it worked, but she...

Because I went to, as soon as she went to, as soon as she went to, I went to write to her name. I went to her name. I look right to her name. Porn, and I couldn't really find nothing came up. Yeah. Yeah. I was feeling for her during that conversation. It sounded like she's been unhappy for quite some time.

I don't know exactly where they're at right now. You tried to hit? I threw my hat in the ring, yeah. Yeah? What was the response? Not at this time. She said I'm a married woman. Which I respect her holding on to that.

She gave camera on a massage. She did. She did, right? Yeah, I saw that. Apparently, that falls within the parameters of their relationship. You ever met Joe Smith? I played with him. How was that?

It's cool. He raps. He can rap, too. He wraps. He's a little older, huh? That's interesting. You usually think that's the terrain of the younger guys. Well, I mean, well, shit, you know, Jay's is.

How old 50? Yeah. You don't do a lot of rapping these days, though, huh? We can still do it. Yeah. He's the greatest of all the time. Yeah. But part of why he's the greatest of all the time is because he knew when to sort of step away.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. We still... You got so many pockets. You can't figure out where it's coming from? Yeah. I'm hearing it.

I'm like, I'm hearing it. I thought I turned it off. I'll turn it off. For sure. Okay. So, besides... I normally would like kind of start from the beginning, like proceed along, but I just feel like, you know, there's just so much, so much energy in the air right now. There's so many current topics. I'm just so fascinated by like where your life is at right now and what made you want to throw your hat further into the podcasting ring. Well, podcasts are like they seem like really popular right now. Yes. You know what I did the reality TV and it's kind of not the same, but maybe like in the same lane a little bit. A little bit.

So I said, why not? But I feel like podcasts are the rawest real. form of media, whereas reality TV might be one of the fakes. But I'm a real type of dude. And you loved the reality TV experience, right? Yeah, but I'm going to be honest with me, me and Chloe's show, it wasn't like scripted at all. Like, that was the most realistic reality TV probably ever. Right. You know what I mean?

Interesting, yeah, because I was talking to my sister this morning and she was... Because people loved it. She was referring to you as lamb lamb. Lambie. Yeah, I didn't even, you know, I'm not really. like a reality TV guys. I didn't know. That was like my nickname on the show.

They called me Lammy. So a lot of people still woke up to me like, lambie, lambie, lambie. I guess you watch the show. Do you often order lamb when you go out to eat? Always. Always? Playing, bro.

Oh. I feel like the lamb is underrated. Yeah, play. You like lamb? Lamb chops are big on Atlanta. A lamp. Atlanta. A lamta.

A lambta. I'm not like a pun guy, but we could do that. Um, no, but I mean, you look at like the whole, the whole entree menu and it'll just be all these different stakes and then there'll be like one lamb thing. Yeah, there's always that one guy who gets it too. Yeah. Yeah. I like to be that guy. Yeah, you're that guy. Or the veal. I like veal arm. Now we're talking. Goes hard. I'm trying to eat healthy. So, I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm not going to eat healthy. You work out? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You lifting? I'm a lot of pain right now. And legs are really sore. A leg workout? Yeah. Where you workout at?

My garage. Your garage. I do that too. You go hardcore. I have a personal trainer, and then I have a male porn star named Alex Legend from France. And we're buddies, and we work out together every morning. Is she a male porn star, seriously, or is just being sarcastic? No, he is.

He's been doing it for a long time. Alex Legend. He's just kind of like a regular guy to me, but that is, in fact, his career, yeah. Were you guys walking together? That was a different guy. That was different guy. Okay. Actually, you know what?

I can tell you guys this because it's not going to be out yet. But basically, I'm doing this really long, drawn out April Fool's Day prank. Yeah. Where on April Fool's Days, I'm going to announce that I'm doing my debut gay porn scene. Now, I'm not, I'm not doing that. Lamar, I'm not doing that. All right. But that's going to be my April Fool's prank.

But so all this other stuff like me leaking that clip of me walking with the gay porn star dude Yeah that was just to like build hype build it up yes I've never done like I've never done like an involved April Fool's Day prank like this before this is kind of like that's a big one oh that's a Thong too the thong yeah like that that's gonna go viral yeah I bent over on the podcast and I was wearing a thong what made you put a thong on from the beginning it was all part of the prank okay it's April Fool's yeah yeah you don't got the defend me to him. I feel like I don't want to have a conversation.

We're going to talk after too. Who? Me and Lamar are going to break this down for sure. Why, you think that there's some parts of this that he's having a hard time with privately? No, we just got to... I just told the world that I'm masturbate on a radio.

Probably so, but that just makes you a normal human. Yeah. Especially because at one point, you were taking down a prolific number of women. Yeah, I was. And I don't really... I don't feel like that's like the best for the average man in terms of like your overall quality of life usually i think that's

kind of indicative of you going through something right masturbation no a million girls oh i think masturbation is the healthier option yeah um yeah probably so it'll be pain before i got in this relationship i'm in now is way too many girls and when i look back at it now it's like that was indicative of something being missing from my life yeah healthy relationships so much better Trying to fill a void. Oh, yeah, but you've got a different type of relationship. A little different. You know what I mean?

But from like an emotional perspective, I think it's better to have that one person you really confide in, right? Yeah. Yeah, mental health is important. Is it difficult for you to get into a relationship at this point because of kind of like the enormity of you as a person that it's hard to find a woman who's going to treat you like a normal person? it's like they're fans or they're like maybe like other celebrities who kind of have a lot to gain

from the association which you have to be worried about you know I think I'm not really trying I'm not afraid of meeting someone like organically you know what I mean if it happens organically then I'm worried I'm down you know what I can really

kind of see through bullshit that this time might be a fan or you want some money or something like that You know what I mean? I've been dealing with people long enough. But that's got to be kind of isolating, right? I mean, yeah, it is. But it's life.

It's my life. You know what I mean? Do you think that if you end up in a public, long-term relationship, that it's more likely to be a famous woman? I don't know. I don't know what, you know, God has in store for me as far as relationship-wise. It's hard to relate to the Dairy Queen manager.

Yeah, I mean, you can't be. Right? When you're the morrowdom. Yeah, I mean, but you never know, though. You know, you never know. You can always find a diamond in the rough. You don't never want to block a blessing just because of what the person does or all that background or anything like that. You know?

It's going to be a complicated week for the dairy queen manager when the news comes out. It's just like, she's probably not ready for that. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people don't want to be, like, thrown into the celebrity spotlight. You know what I mean? A lot of people are not even with it. Some people, especially today's in this day and age, you know. If she's 23, 24, then she probably most likely would want to be famous, right? No, that's a problem.

If she's 35, 36, then she probably might, you know, so you never know. Maybe. But if she's 35 or 36, she probably wants to have kids. And that's the other worry as a rich man, right? Yeah, I want to have more children anyway, too. How many got you got now? Two. One in heaven?

Okay, right. No. Yeah, so that's the big decision Do you feel like you're in a hurry too? Like your clock might be kind of running out in a sense No, no, no, no, no. But do you want to be the guy who's creating a kid at like 65? I don't want to be creating a kid at 65.

I want to play with my youngster. Right. But, you know, in guard's time. De Niro just had a kid. He's 80. That's what I was thinking, though. I can't remember the name. Yeah, I don't want to do that, though.

That seems bizarre. I don't like that. I don't want to be grandpa daddy or daddy grandpa. Right. You know what I mean? You have to be able to play. Yeah. That's too crazy.

I don't even imagine having sex at 80. He's doing too much. I could. That's graphic. You could imagine? I can't imagine having sex at 80. I just wonder. It's got to be different.

I'm probably less as axed of you. You know what I'm saying? It can't be that. It can't be that. Standard is really well. You know what? For real. And that's what you're looking for.

Just like some uneasy out so you don't have to put too much effort in. Oh, girl, whatever. It's over. Lay there. Less is assed of you. Right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

It's just hard to imagine what 80s like. I could probably ask my pops who was actually in the room right now. But how old are you, how old are you? 76? 73. Seventy-old. My apology. 73.

73. The older you get, the more offensive that is. Even though to us, it's all the same. You're an older man. Yeah. That's okay. Would you rather talk to, because I was watching you do some interviews

with my man, Boulai Kev. And his basketball nerd status is pretty significant. He's got like strong feelings about all these players that he's never met and everything. I don't have that. I'm like, I've only been to or slash watched a few NBA games. in my life.

Are you from L.A.? I am from New Hampshire. New Hampshire. So I grew up Larry Bird, Jersey. On my chest. Oh, yeah. And aesthetically, very into it. In terms of actually watching the game,

never really appealed to me that much. We hate the Celtics. I don't like her. Right. That was for, you know, different reasons. Do you think they were like a white supremacist team? No. But they kind of had like that vibe.

A lot of teams have that vibe. Utah has that vibe. Yeah, a lot of teams have that way. I think that's unfair. But, I mean, you got to look at the Celtics as like the place where the greatest white basketball player of our lives did what he had to do. So I feel like some people might throw them in that category. Larry Burr was a bad mother. Bad.

And that taught me as a young dude that you can get respect from the brothers. You're just going to have to really perform. He's got to come with it, right? Yeah. Like anything you do. Like this. This is what I'm doing here. Larry Burrow, we get offended if a white dude would come out to guard him.

He would. Yeah, he would. Like, disrespect. Really? Bust their ass, too. I was never that fascinated by basketball until I recently found some YouTube channels where they, like, really break down basketball in extreme detail. Like, it's like DJ academics for basketball.

Yeah. And they're putting together, like, little compilations of, like, this is why this guy never amounted to shit in the NBA. And then they're showing, like, this part of his game sucks. Look at his shooting. Look at the, look at it. And what channel is that? I fucking forget.

I sent him a clip to it. I can find it right now. Those tattoos on your head hurt? I'm thinking about getting my shit tired of. Yeah, definitely a nightmare. They hurt? Oh, hell yeah. This guy, I'm going to shout this guy out.

Latest Hoops is his YouTube channel. You took me out of it. NBA legends explain how crazy good Larry Bird was. Oh, yeah. That's like, those are good videos. That's a video. That's a video. I watched the other day.

And I'm like, really getting into it. Like, oh, okay. Now that I'm having these narratives, laid out for me, that's helping me to kind of comprehend better. That's dope. Yeah. I don't know. Okay, where are we going here? You got any interest in BMX or skateboarding?

That never really appealed to you? That was always my time. I never really had the balance for that type of shit. You know what I mean? Being tall and lanky. Yeah. That never was my... I mean, I like dirt biking and stuff like that. That's cool. Yeah, but... Skateboy. No. There's a lot of money in skateboarding them.

These days? It's not like basketball, though. Still money. Some. You'd be surprised how little lot of these dudes are making. Who's my man who got the, um... Niger? Nijia's the... For some reason, I'm assuming.

Wilson ain't had a lot of sponsors. Still, though. Oh, Tony Hawk? Paul Rodriguez. There's a lot of the show with the, um... Oh, Rob Deerick? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

He's all over the place. You watch MTV. It's all him now. It's literally only him. Yeah. And they're paying all those people like 50 bucks for their video. clips yeah Robin Big was he's everywhere goaded show yeah he really like ridiculousness is kind of big too right yeah oh yeah oh yeah all day more outrageously successful like the only like the

longest running show on fucking TV at this point shit like it's just so low cost for them to produce and it does really well consistently so that MTV basically just relies on it massively MTV ever hit you up no no would you do a tv me oh a YouTuber I'm a YouTuber I'm a YouTuber I'm too a But my whole existence is too offensive for terrestrial radio or TV. So what's going on with these recovery homes? Is this project still underway? Yeah, I'm trying to get them. What's the holdup?

What's the biggest challenge? Money. You know what I mean? That's it. You're looking for an investor? Yeah, you know somebody want to help people? You can't help themselves? I don't even understand the business that well.

You build these buildings and then it's kind of like a hotel, but you get the insurance companies to pay for it. Medicaid and all that shit. You know what I'm? It's good money. Do you think you could do a better job of that service than what exists already? Yeah, because I lived it. You know what I'm saying?

So my heart is into it. A lot of people since 2005 should have OD. More deaths from 2005 from more deaths than World War I, World War II and Vietnam combined. It's a lot of people. Yeah. The drug shit is just out of control these days. It's crazy. Marijuana is the way to go.

I would say marijuana is probably the healthy high, I would call it, right? The healthy alternative? I would say. I definitely feel that way. I mean, I left all the other drugs behind and the weed just, I don't know. It's just stuck with me. Yeah? Yeah.

I used to have some crazy, crazy times. Like I was when I think about it I'm like I really kind of skated without having to deal with almost any consequences and still managed to kind of dip out before I got a little too real Yeah, well life's real especially when you're doing drugs I call it people still call it getting high I call it getting low Mm hmm when you're getting out of it. I mean nothing right when I do cocaine I don't feel like I'm getting low No I'm getting high like too much energy yeah you have to do a lot of it for it to become like a low experience right but I've definitely known those kind of I'm just talking about what the cause the you know the consequences

with this all this all this shit like can't really why would you even take the risk yeah no I kind of bailed out before that became too much of a thing but a little peep passed away in like 2017 from a fentanyl Xanax and that was kind of like this real eye-opening thing

for a lot of us of like oh young ass kid yeah still got got by that shit and thought he was just thought he was just taking the Xanax Yeah. Got it from a fan. A fan? The fan didn't know it was fentanyl.

The fan, if I had to guess, probably had a higher tolerance. Because a lot of people want the fentanyl pills. They request it. Yeah, there are people addicted to fentanyl. If somebody tells you that they're addicted to taking perk 30s, they're probably not talking about some medical shit. They're talking about some fake shit. That's crazy because I let you know how far from the drug game than I am.

You never got back into it after the coma? No. Just wasn't even an option in your head? Just on to totally different. No, somebody tried to kill me, bro. I didn't even do drugs that night. Okay. Somebody put something in your drink or something?

I went down, went to the bunny range, sat down, had a drink, woke up three days later. They said I was never going to walk or talk again. Who do you feel like could have had the motivation to do that? I think about this thing about it to today. One of the chicks in the bunny ranch, perhaps. That dude, Dennis Hoff, the dude that owned it. He was a sketchy character.

Yeah. You think he might have a grudge against you? You're probably a pretty good customer. Yes, I gave me $75,000, so as I got to. Right. You know what I mean? So when you look back at that time, though, like, as you're coming out of the coma and everything, is like, are you having this realization of, like, I need to change my life?

Like, I just can't go back to the way. that I was before this because a lot of people did. I mean, I had 12 strokes and six heart attacks. Hmm. You know what I mean? So I wouldn't even fucking around. We're putting myself in that type position again. Hmm.

How many, uh, how, how many months or how long was the rehab to get back to some sort of normal? You know, I've started to, um, heal,

um, a lot faster than expected. And, um, which made me not take, some of my um my cognitive therapy so serious and um it took like maybe like six months everything together from you know they're thinking i'm not never going to be able to walk and talk again and walking and talking again maybe like six months seven months maybe i can't even really remember right and like one thing that is crazy to me that i found out while research

searching for this is that you first tried coke basically in a scenario where you were you were cuckin some dude yeah some random guy is basically like inviting him to do coke with with his wife yeah he left oh he left yeah he didn't stay right there but he left well you're with his girl yeah where i was in miami he did some good research pretty good at job. What is it weirded you out if he was sitting in the corner? Because that's how, that's how this proceeds a lot of times. Yeah, at that point in my life, probably

so. I think so. It would have weirded me out. I would have made them leave. But once you got deeper into it, that might not have bothered it. But now, once I hit that, once I hit that cold, it probably wouldn't have, it probably wouldn't bother me. That shit did change after that, yeah. She did change after that.

Right. Damn. Probably wouldn't bother me, but we should probably find out where she's at right now. She's part of history. A little blonde woman. Nice rack, brown tits. Yeah.

Can't remember her name. She'd be a good guest. I would love to talk to her. But any woman could just lie and say that that was numb. No. That wouldn't be a good interview anyway, by the way. No, probably not. Just some random co-keette lady.

Yeah. Yeah. I know, but I have a crazy memory and I won't, out of respect, I won't name the person, but there's basically like a person who was like a big figure in the podcasting space. And my last time seeing him before he died, he invited me to his hotel room and I started to feel like it was the scenario that you're describing and I said no and then didn't take long but lost his life

that made me wonder like I should have done it would have been an honor right I'm not to die with him not to die but the did he die that's an honor no he died of something completely unrelated oh okay I thought I was about to say he died that night off doing a cold night but it made me feel like holy shit I could have had this incredibly intense experience like where I probably would have got to know this motherfucker on a real totally different level when you close with him kind of close but not like do cocaine with him and potentially have sex with his girlfriend yeah not that close oh he wanted you to have sex with his girlfriend potentially that's what you feel from your gut

was telling you he didn't say that but he said like do you want to come back to the hotel room and do some coke with me and my girlfriend and I'm kind of there's like an older guy I'm kind of thinking like oh yeah and I had never done anything like that before so I was and at that point even I was I was done with the coke so I'm like no no I'm good I can't it scared you basically it kind of like weirded me out a little because I was I hadn't really been exposed to that sort of thing yeah I wouldn't have been down either oh come on Zach just I know people watching like think I would be the type of guy to do that but what What do you think it is about you that allows you to sort of be the person helping to maintain these conversations with these famous, powerful people?

Yeah, kind of a lot better. Just be myself. I think it's allowed me to connect the best, not putting on the front, not trying to fake, you know. I've just developed such a relationship with some of the people off camera, with Pac-Man and Jada, like, some of my best friends, literally. Me and Jada are like that, and me and Pac-Man are like that, and me and Lamar like that. I think that's number one. Right. Where's Jada kiss right now?

He's in New York He just gets bags Mm There's all kinds of random shit Hell yeah He's got a nice Legend spot Where it's like nobody's ever

Gonna be able to take that away from him Hell he gets to the bag He does his thing Minds his own business After he battled After the block battled Yeah DIP set

I was there I was there I was there Really I was with Hellrell Shout out to Hellrell Shout to Hellrell Got to Hellrell

Gave gave me a shout out on this show and all my friends are calling me like Yo hell rel shout you on no jumper Hellroroo's hilarious Because he talks so much in that interview And like the other dudes at the table Could down get a fucking word

And he was running that shit Legend shout to Hell rel Hilarious human being But that pissed me off because I remember On Twitter everybody was having this like Epiphany of like oh Jada Cis is so good at rap it And I was like where the fuck were you guys

In the 90s when this guy was like the dudes You gotta understand because Jada's You know I got to stand by Biggie Smalls, man. Right. Enough said. Top. I've done it a lot. And every single time I listen to Get Richard

Die Trying, I remember all the other hard they came from Yonkers. Which was about him, even though they ended up beefing like two years after that. Yeah, checkmate. Yeah. And DMX from Yonkers too. That's crazy.

They got a whole, they got like a crew up there. Mentionary. Rappers and entertainers. You wanted to be a rough rider at one point? Nah. I'm from South Jamaica, Queens. Oh, so you're a G-Unit all the way, huh? Lost Boys and G-Unit.

Wait, what year were you born? 1979. Oh, shit, okay. So you were a little older than me when the G-N explosion was taking place. Yeah, I was dear. But you remember the 50 lore prior to his explosion? Were you a fan, like, even during the early mixtape days? Facts.

Facts. Facts. You connected with 50 at all in recent years? Nah, I would love to, bro. He'd be dope to having the show. Hell yeah. That would be insane. I feel like he doesn't do people's podcasts besides like the breakfast club like once a year.

Yeah. That's what I hate about these older rappers that they just get set with like they pick like two media personalities that they like and then they just do interviews with them. I totally understand. You feel like you have a safe relationship with them. It's like no, get in here. Get in the ring with the young dudes. Hell yeah. Relatively speaking. But nobody like to be questioned. It's going to make them feel uncomfortable. Yeah. But at this point, salute to you because you're out here taking chances doing. podcast with random white boys who will ask you about God knows what.

I don't really, you know, I don't really have nothing to hire. Mm. I respect that. Okay. I saw, okay, so basically, I wanted to ask you if this is a common scenario. So there's a girl I know who apparently, she's in like a coma right now, and apparently she overdosed while she was in rehab, which I was kind of shocked by, but then some people could get the drugs in rehab.

That's what I'm saying. But then apparently that's not that uncommon that this actually... What rehab? What? I don't know. I was not there. But when I heard about this, I was just kind of shocked. And that made me...

Then when I heard you talking about your desire to start your own facilities, I was like, well, apparently there's something going on in these spots that is not appropriate. Oh, shit, that can't be going on. You know? So that's totally foreign to you? You didn't really heard about that? No. It should be more secure than that, right?

Yeah, people doing drugs. You know, people... You know, people go to rehabs to get better. Obviously, that was somebody that made a decision that they wasn't ready to get better. Yeah. You know what I mean? So when you're addict, you know, and you're caught in your addiction, you're going to find a way when there's no way.

Right. You know what I mean? So in the rehab, you would think there's no way. But that addict found a way. One of the greatest rehab stories I've heard on a podcast as well is when I heard Ban Margera talking about how he, he, like, basically hurled him. over a very tall fence to escape from the rehab and then he's basically like running down the street and a bunch of skateboarders happen to pull up alongside him and are

like bam get in he gets in the car with him goes to their crib and proceeds to get up but like instantly as soon as he leaves the fucking rehab a bunch of fans just swoop him up and like are excited to bring him into their drug layer that's crazy that's I love bam it shouldn't be that easy that's the problem of being a celebrity everybody wants to get you f*** up yeah what do you call it um people that help you in a bad way what's the word for that enable enablers a lot of enablers a lot of enablers you used to have that problem well my get high buddy was my best friend at one time at one point you know what kid I board out here from New York to live and try to do what you kind of doing in the entertainment world

We got high in every rich way. Mm-hmm. And, yeah, he didn't survive it, though. He died from a flesh-eating disease. Seriously? Yeah, I guess he was shooting heroin. Oh. It fucked him up.

The last time I seen him, he, we went to get high. We were in this hotel in the valley right here, and he took his shoe off. And I never smelled death before, but I smelled it that day and I guess he was shooting the heroin in his foot

and it must have got like infected and he was all up in the head that was the last time I seen that was my friend Jamie Shingleta my brother damn yeah but it takes people out

and I could have been one of those people you could have been one of those people definitely I got on the subway one time in New York and there was like a lot of times out of the whole subway car all of them will be packed and then there'll be one that's like empty

do not go on to that one never because there's something going on I did I got onto it there's a fucking dude with his whole leg is like infected it's huge crazy it's a worst smell ever and I have to stand on the car for like I think I hopped out right away

I don't think I actually like really but it was like this guy had turned one car of the subway into like his own personal like laboratory where they're like inventing new flesh eating disease You know who dealt with that too is O.G. Maco. His whole, he got a crazy flesh-eating bacteria on his face,

and it'd like f***ed him up for like years, years, yeah. Bitch, you guessed it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew he'd won. Really doesn't get the credit they deserved. Who's this, a rapper? O.G. Maco. You heard that.

He was, like, the first dude signed a QC. And he, really, I feel like a lot of the rappers from Atlanta in particular who, like, scream into the mic. Yeah. They owe him a huge debt. They realistically probably don't even know that they owe him a huge debt because it was like 10 years ago when he came out. Yeah. But.

Shot to him. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. How do you get the rash or to shoot heroin? I honestly forget. I don't think, I think he was maybe doing a little bit of drugs, but I don't think he got it from the drugs. Oh, he probably had a dirty pillow or something. It's like pink guy. I don't remember.

Oh, okay. So I have a narrative for you. What's that? Chloe could end up feeling some type of way about me interviewing you. Why is that? Because I once got a cease and desist from Tristan Thompson because we had some random hose on here. And I'm so like when I tell you that I'm really cut off

from the reality show world and the NBA world, she starts talking about how she's fucking him. Who? This random chick on the podcast. She's fucking Tristan Thompson? This was a few years ago. And I'm sitting there like whatever I'm drinking on this episode for some reason and I have no clue about the fact that she's saying something that is very Controversial so I ended up getting a cease and desist from him basically saying that we had to take the episode down or cut that part out or whatever because

This was somewhat destructive to his life at the time I don't want her to think I have a grudge against her Because I'm interviewing all of her ex-lovers I don't think so I don't really speak to her or anything like that you know what I don't really? I don't really I don't think we have anything to worry about. The media really seized upon the idea of you having these feelings for her still, though, huh? I don't care what the f***ing.

You know what I mean? I don't know how I live my life. I'm realistic. When I'm watching you do like dateline interviews, it seems like they're just, like, kind of wearing you down over the, like, it's like hours of, like, interviewing you to finally get you to the point that you'll say something, like, slightly out of pocket. Because that's, like, a whole different world that I don't understand. That's what they wanted him, hear me say. That's what they wanted him. He said, oh, I want a bag, please come back.

That's what I was saying. I'm like, there's no way that Lamar Odom is that pressed. I'm not pressed for women. They're everywhere. Right. You know what I mean? You know how, like, as a man, like, the odds are on my side. Like, anywhere I go.

There's women. For you in particular. Right? I would say. I remember I interviewed Sugar Sean like a long time ago before he was a UFC champion and I remember him saying to me because he's like in LA for not maybe the first time or second time whatever and he's asking me like where do I find a girl for me and my wife to have a threesome with and I'm like I don't fucking know maybe go to the beach like maybe go to the club let your girl lead the way right and it happened I think he was leading the way you know what I mean that's the problem that's harder it You feel I'm saying? Yeah, you gotta let her do it. Take a girl gotta wanna be in.

Well, you know. Take it in a new. Yeah, yeah. This is the guy. Yeah, I'm gonna add a little advice for him. You should have had a little bit of advice. Okay, you think I'm some kind of ladies man or something shit. You should put them on game.

This is all business. Like this shit is in my calendar. I got seen today at five. Where at? Right here. Well, not here, but on the other side of the facility. You know, somebody on the other side of the facility right there? You heard her here first.

Can I watch? I swear to God, I'll watch. The tables of turn. I swear to God, I watch. I don't know if I really want to try to have to perform in front of you. It might be a little. Like, we're just getting to know each other. I get it.

I get it. No, but I'm saying, like, the natural, like, game that it takes to just, like, meet chicks in public. and like you know like sort of make them into you and all that like I have so little experience with that at this point because it's like you know I meet I meet girls and it's like oh let me get your number I'll give it to my team so we can see if you can fit you into the schedule to work together it's not like yeah let me get your number I'm gonna sex to you and then just like hang out and take you out to dinner like all this is like extremely foreign to me if my wife left me I feel like I would be back to square one as like a male trying to meet women Like it would be very overwhelming And I feel like I might take a vow of celibacy A vow of celibacy Maybe for like three months All right

You ever do that or that's impossible I've never even Brought that up seriously in my life You know what I mean? Like if it happens If time goes by You know I don't tell something up

Then time went by By and say, yo I'm not going to do it Because I'm going to be celibate You didn't need like a reset period in between the crazy sex addict period of your life and whatever normalcy that you might have going at this point?

I mean, for all I know, you're still in the sex addict part of your life. I mean, I'm not a, I don't know. What's a sec addict? Attic is a lot. Ack's a lot. They threw that on Tiger Woods. Then they made them say sorry and all that

for being a sportsman. Everybody knows sportsmen are going to get late. Yeah. He's Tiger Woods. But then when you find out the details of the cheating, even though the details might really be kind of mundane, it still is kind of shocking to people of like,

oh, you were getting a hotel room so you could sleep with some other women. That's because it was clean-cut tiger. Exactly, yeah. Right? If you could have, would you have been the clean-cut guy? Or would you be more comfortable with the world knowing the real you?

I'm more comfortable with the world knowing the real me because there's no fall from that. You know what I'm saying? Living a lot, that's I can, that's going to end. And if it ends publicly, and as we're all seeing right now with my man who I used to look up to,

Puff Daddy, look what he's going through. No, did it? Publicly. You were going to have those parties? That's crazy, no. Never. I wouldn't want one of his parties, but it was like a lot of people there,

shit like that. I went to one of his parties, but it was a lot of people there wasn't. You know what I mean? It wasn't like me, him, and for all the people, you know what I'm saying? I think it goes down, like,

when it's like, smaller numbers. Yeah. Oh, for sure, you're getting called into the other, room away from like the main party. Yeah. If they trust you enough to get into whatever kind of deviancy they're exploring. Yeah.

You got to resist that. If they, if they summon you, you got to say no. Yeah. No. I think. Yeah. Gotta say no. That is, that's a wild one though.

It's wild to think that like, okay, I went to Texas for a wedding. And the, it's like literally all white people. And then there's one cool black guy wearing like a fucking. sparkly red suit. And he's, he immediately, as soon as we get on the bus to go to the wedding, he grabs the ox cord, boom, R. Kelly. And he like announces to the entire bus. Hey.

I f*** with it. Like, this shit hard. Like, I'm not going to not play this. Like, and then he plays Step in the Name of Love. And it's like, okay, like, I don't think as a society that we could really get away from that one. It's just too good. It's like perfect for the moment.

Like, and I kind of feel like, with Diddy it's like there's some of that It's got like some songs that I just am not comfortable with saying like oh I'm never going to listen to mo money No problems again. It's not happening There's bad boys right there's but it's gonna be a joke. It's gonna be there's like a punchline associated with it whenever that song comes on No matter how much it meant a lot to you as a kid. They're already breaking the lyrics down. Oh yeah But a lot of that shit is not really honest, right? Yeah, no yeah Yeah, what is he charged with? You know really nothing yet

Nothing yet. They're just examining and exploring. They came in like really hard. Like, damn, like, are he looking for Bin Laden or Puff Daddy? Like, damn. Hmm. Like, shit. They came in like he had all the guns, coke, atomic bombs.

They raided Jake's house right after I was staying there. Jake Paul? Yeah, Jake Paul, yeah. Like a gun or something? Oh, really? Yeah, and then they raided. So I was there, and then I went to Las Vegas. He was looting the mall?

Yeah, I guess he was like walking through the mall He picked something up Well, it was why it was after hours the mall was closed There were other people looting it He went in there with the video camera It was filming and it's like okay well I mean you did trespass And you're the only famous YouTuber here right Yeah

Um yeah they raided his place in L.A and then I was in Vegas Graffiti Mansion where I saw him get married to Tandamundi Shout out went to that so very weird to go to a fake wedding Very weird But it's dope um I was there and someone told me he was going to get raided I got out of there and the next day they came put everyone up and questioned them it was crazy I was 18 right they came aggressive though they came super aggressive and he didn't and it wasn't did he shit they want to make a statement yeah I mean they

searched his house when he wasn't there as well so they yeah they probably like knew what they were doing in that regard we were in Vegas for training camp hmm definitely um how do you feel about the state of what's going on with Kanye because he's kind of had like like a fall from grace minus you know some ditty type shit you know we still we've never really had heard those types of shit but in general like do you kind of admire him marching to the beat of his own drum or do you do you feel like a boss he's an owner i look up to he's black right on his own shit i for him he's a genius as well probably the biggest artist that we had in my generation best discography ever music clothes

fashion. He got it together. Had a beautiful wife, beautiful kids. He'll be all right. You spend much time around him? No, I haven't been around him since, probably since I woke up from the coma or whatever.

Right. Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of fascinating. The idea of like really going out of here. Like, you know, we all know that we could say and do whatever we want, but we all act a little bit reserved. We all hold back some opinions. And he's someone who kind of just got to the point where he was feeling his power so much

that he just sort of started saying everything that he thought, sometimes without, you know, much consideration for what it might do to his life. And now we get to see what that looks like, but he might be like the one guy who's able to actually really pull it off. Yeah. Well, he can continuously make shit. Right? Other people would just, when he sold his sneakers for $25 and made a shit load of money,

something like that the other day? Hmm. And the number one song in the world right now. Yeah. Billboard number one. You can keep making, keep producing. You know what I mean? You can't stop that.

You can't stop. It was great, I don't think. Mm. No, definitely. Okay, so what is your weed smoking regimen actually like? Me? Yeah. You smoke blunts?

Joints? Backwards, if I'm a smoke. Really? What flavor? Favorite flavor? Hell, man. Sweet iron, I go dark leaf. The backwoods got better over the years.

Yeah, you know, you're less likely to get trash. Wash it. You know what I mean? Wet it, wash it. Take that shit off, whatever that's on it. Make it less harsh. When I think about 2014, you were getting a lot of really shitty woods out of that pack. And when I see it now, it seems like they've got it a lot more consistent.

They got, yeah, yeah. I remember Red Man told me I'm not addicted to backwards. I'm addicted to dark backwards. backwards. Well, you know, like, the darker they are, the harder they hit. And sometimes you open that pack, and it's just... I like the sweet aromatic, though. But those, those too.

I mean, like, all of them. All of them have, like, varying levels of... As long as there's gas in there. How about that? Can you put the gas in there? We got to put the gas in there. You got weed string? What's you got?

Not exactly. What you got some weed in here? Something. We definitely got some wheat in here, but... Is there? What are you pointing at? Oh, yeah, right here? Yeah.

No, but he said he doesn't smoke on camera. He's still trying to be brand friendly. He hasn't gone full Kanye yet. He's budding you? Yeah. You want to break your own rules? No. Just take it.

I can see it right here. Hit for something. Yeah? I mean, they gave us these, because this is the same one that Orlando Brown, like I was saying, he took it out of the case, and then he proceeded to smoke it.

He cracked him Odello as well, I believe. Okay. What else is it important that we discuss while we have this time here together? We got porno in We did do the plot of porn. Got Caitlin in A little bit, yeah.

A little bit, yeah. Maybe a little bit more about like Got some NBA. Yeah, so we've interviewed on the show or something. Who we interviewed on the show, we interviewed what, Sugar A. Leonard, that was dope. We talked about, like, being sexually abused.

And that was a total surprise that he started telling you about being molested or whatever. Our show is very like, therapeutic. You know what I mean? Create that kind of environment? That's the goal. I don't know because we didn't even talk about the environment.

We're just kind of like being ourselves, the way Caitlin delivers, you know, the way I deliver. I think people feel at ease and kind of like let go. I mean, but I was really surprised. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, I was. Because how many interviews has he done in his life

in which he didn't divulge this and he just decided now's the time? He's been a superstar forever. Right. Why my show did you pick that? Oh. I mean, my theory is that when it comes to interviewing, so much of it has to do with respect

because there, you know, a lot of times when you're doing an interview, it's the same fucking boring-ass questions that you answered a million times. But if you were doing a podcast with Jay-Z and Jay-Z said, hey, told me about overdosing, which I guarantee you're kind of sick of talking about, probably going to give them a full-throttle answer and tell him whatever he wants to know, you know?

Whereas you're doing an interview with some fucking dickhead off the street, it's not really going to compel you to really give them the full, the full nitty-gritty. Monty, right? I mean, for me, though, that whole conversation for me is kind of like therapeutic as well, as well. I mean, it happened. It's sad.

You know, that people don't cherish life like they should or someone else's life. But I could have like woke up with like the whole like pop mentality Of just everybody everybody who tried somebody try to kill me I'm gonna get them first Mm-hmm you know what I mean so I'm like that's probably the biggest blessing and lesson I learned From it I can forgive your enemies or mm right? I mean it was not forgive your enemies or but just It's not empathy, but... It was a wake-up call,

even if it wasn't the perfect wake-up call. Because if you had just partied and ended up in that situation or some situation, then... Yeah, I'll probably still be doing it. Because you felt like you had it under control for the most part, right? Yeah.

Addicts all do. It could have got a lot worse before it got better. We have to submit to being an addict, you know? I'm an addict, I need help. I want help. I don't want to live like this anymore. Right.

I'm hurting people. I'm hurting myself. So many things that you've got to admit, intimate to. Until you get help. I just remember that I started a threat of this conversation before, and then we got distracted. But I was going to ask you before, like, is it more interesting for you to do a podcast

with somebody who has encyclopedic basketball knowledge? Or is it interesting to you to do one with somebody who doesn't really have that knowledge? because to you, I mean, presumably you know a shitload of people who have that kind of knowledge. It's not as interesting. I think the best thing about the podcast is I'm doing the podcasts with, you know, two people that I respect and two people that I can learn from. And two people in some senses, you know, are brighter than me. I want to like continuously learn from whoever I'm aware.

I don't want to spend my time, you know what I mean? So if I'm with you, I'm going to learn about the porn game or how to get into it and how to shoot some content, how to get paid. Oh, we're getting you into. No, but I'm just going to, I'm just going to, like, just continuously learn. Old joke aside, I think that's important for me and, you know, for my cognitive therapy. Right. And it's, to me, if I were you, I would find it refreshing because it's so raw in comparison to, like, the reality TV thing where, granted, like, yours might have been more real than other people's, but ultimately it's like, you know, you're kind of having, you know, you're kind of having. your actions and your words twisted to fit these narratives that'll make sense for a 30-minute TV show, right?

Yeah. You know, we could just, you know, podcast, you could just go on, tilt her and get back on this subject, come back to it like we've done in this show. So I feel you. I like inviting them along for the ride of wherever it happens to go. I like the idea of doing like a documentary and like really trying to shape a narrative, but I don't know. Even that feels a little bit constricting. I like documentaries as well.

What's a good one you've seen recently? I haven't, um, it was one on shit, it was one on Netflix. I can't remember any name of nothing. What was it about? Black history. Black history?

Hmm. It was a real, an intelligent speaker. It was a lawyer. A guy. But it was really good. It was really done well. you know about channel 5 on YouTube

no it's this guy Andrew Callahan and I was just watching one that he did about the mole people of Las Vegas they live under these bridges in Vegas I worry about these people and they got their own little society everything right yeah town bank and everything

well I don't know about a bank they got everything this bunch of fucking homeless dudes is living under a bridge if they started a bank they should probably also graduate no they got everything They got everything.

Back under the bridge. But it's like, you literally can see the strip right there. And then they're right here under this ridge. And apparently the cops just let them live. One dude's talking about he's been down there for 10 years. Who wouldn't? They got bank. They got everything.

If they have a bag, yeah. Chill, yeah. They got to clean the homelessness up here. It's crazy. What would you do? Me? Yeah. I'll be my run for governor if I,

tell you my scheme to help. I can see that. You know what I mean? Yeah, why not? Hell yeah. Well, I think they... Skip straight to president. Yeah, I think you've got to clean it up.

But I know the state, you know, wants money. Yeah. Right? Like, they get plenty of it, no? They get, yeah. They're just incredibly inefficient in spending it on things that will actually help people. $14 billion. You have fucking potholes in the street.

So I would say just scoop all the homers. families up and put them in like a um of a form i'm not going to say there's not like not like prison but prisons make money they do let's put them all in prison no no if you put them all in a like um drug and mental rehabilitation center and kind of run it like how they run prisons that make money yeah i don't know how they really actually make the prisons make money but prisons make a lot of things that we wear, use. Well, you want to know the most depressing thing that you'll see when you go downtown is the children. Just the fact that people are having kids and that these kids are growing up in fain tense in the middle of Skid Row.

It at least occurs to me, like maybe we could just really go out of our way to deal with the women and the children first. Yeah. And then maybe work on the dudes as time goes by, right? Put them all together, school them up and put them to work. The kids? Two-year-olds? Everybody. It's better than...

They're homeless. Right. You can get, like, a big hamster wheel, and they could walk on it, and it could generate power. No, they're homeless, though, bro. Like, this is, like, real serious, though. Right, yeah. It's like a black guy on the city, probably, right? Pretty sure L.A. is, like, losing because of this problem.

Well, we're way different than most cities that we just take them and put them all in one place. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. You got to do something. Get them some help and... Of course, you're not going to have a two-year-old work. Right. You feel what I'm saying?

But ain't up. Ain't out. Give the money to the city. I think it's a great idea. A big part of the problem is that nobody wants low income housing being built in their backyard. What? Like, okay, if they were going to build, like, you know, extremely cheap apartments down the street from your house, what are your assumptions? Like, oh, there's going to be a shit a little more crime.

It's going to drive the property values down. so you'll see these super progressive Democrat voters going to the town meetings and basically saying We don't want this It's a lot of land out here Oh you're saying we ship them off to somewhere else You don't have to ship them off But there's a place where you could probably build it

But that's what they do places or build facilities You want to build facilities Governor Abbott he'll take the immigrants And then he'll just ship them up and throw him in Kamala Harris's front yard No we ain't gonna do that Gotta make a statement But first of all you want to like A lot of these people like have

you know serious drug habits and like yeah mental health disabilities you know you ain't going to help nobody that don't got to yeah head on straight yeah you know I mean one is one plus one is one not circle one plus one is one I mean one plus one is two you know what I'm not circle a lot of these people can't even really think straight what's the YouTube channel that he interviews the people softwater underbell yeah yeah yeah shout on Mark shot to Mark I interviewed him many years ago and then Joe Rogan and I'm getting him after that shit's crazy He like interviews like homeless people and like like different people like

Crackheads Pimps Assassins like you'll see a title on that You'll be like how could anyone possibly be like discussing this You know like I can't grievous ganderers yeah yeah He'll interview anyone yeah It's called softwood underbelly it's basically this guy Mark who's like a photographer

He's like a very professional like he's made a shitload of money over the years shooting photos for all these big brats brands and stuff and he basically like wanted to take photos of a lot of the homeless people and like downtown and shit so he starts doing that but then he starts interviewing them as well and then he starts a YouTube channel where he just basically puts those interview clips up and now on YouTube there's are there's a shit lot of people doing basically like interviews at truck stops with homeless people and crackheads and shit but I think Mark does a very tasteful job of it you know he does interviews that don't come off as exploitative yeah which because when I when I started

this podcast I was in downtown and people would tell me all the time you should interview homeless people and I was like I don't want to do that because it's gonna come off like I'm You know using people that have nothing to make money and content But he he does it in a way that I think people find Yeah, I think helps fund some of them to like you know Oh now yeah he told me when we did our interview He told me that maybe like 20 people had come to him that day asking for money He's he's way too giving he needs to like lay down yeah hard parameters with these people people because they clearly are taking a minute.

I saw one with the prostitute and she was giving the money to the pimp and it was like a whole thing and What they care of the kids was that I think her name was exotic. Yeah, that was a wild ride I was in a I was in a two hours I'm watching these videos And then I got to that point. I was so upset Yeah, that's a saga right there is a lot of the people that he's interviewed have like died and just like kind of documented like He's had people who are like a ticket to drugs where they did 10 interviews and every single interview they look like a completely different person. It's fucked.

Wow. Yeah. It's a wild thing to dip your toe into. Okay. What else do we need to know? What's what's what is there on the table? Anything, any random information,

anything you never shared with anyone before that you want to share with us? Um. Your deepest secrets. Okay. Or you, Zach. Yeah. You're a little bit more of an open book here.

Yeah. Am I? There's probably a lot of things we don't know about you. There probably is. Probably the first person I had on with a backwards hat in a while. Really? Someone told me like, Zach, you should wear a backwards hat. Am I the first ice spice shirt too?

Is it a Miller shirt? It's like a Miller light hat. I got it in Puerto Rico. And it matches the ice ice shirt. Oh, that's a dope shirt. What I really want to do is I want to go eat and possibly have a conversation with that blunt because is a good flower in there?

I think you're going to love it. If you could go to eat anywhere right now, where it would be? Baja fresh. Baja fresh? I don't know. I don't really do like Chipotle and all that shit too. No. No?

No? We had Roscoe yesterday. I was fine. I never had Rosco's before. Oh, that was a treat. The Obama special, they named it something else now, I guess. Yeah? Why?

Well, no. I would have gotten it. It's been that since 2010 when I first had it. I don't know. I just want to go have a beverage and... Sweet beverage. Do you eat, like, normal-sized meals, or do you have to eat, like... You order, like, two meals?

I don't really eat it a lot. Really? I eat way more than him. You're a growing boy, Zach. Yeah. Three thousand calories, yeah. He's already settled in. Oh.

You think you're taking 3,000 calories a day? I am. You are? Yeah, on purpose. You're trying to bulk up? Exactly. Really? Yeah, I've gained 25 pounds.

What are your aspirations? You're trying to be like a power lifter? Like, bodybuilder style training. No, I box, and I was like kind of like a skinny fat, 165. You just want to look athletic. Yeah, it wasn't optimal. It wasn't optimal for athletic. So I want to look better, fill out my clothes.

My arm's getting bigger, right? Just how I left a little. All right. Thank you. You're like a crossfit guy. CrossFit guy? A lot of girls do that. Do they?

Oh, yeah. You want to do crossfit? Pick up chicks. Hardest workouts I ever did in my life. Yeah, I don't think I can do it. It's not rather fight some lot. It's hard, pretty hard. Really?

I'll fuck around, bro. I heard hot yoga is like the hardest thing in the world. Hot yoga's a motherfucker. That's tough. Yeah. But Pilates is tough. Someone told me they would rather fight Mike Tyson than do hot yoga. No different types of pain yeah

Shows your mindset yeah Yeah, I can't do that shit I had an experience doing high yoga where I had been through a breakup and it was like a few months later I broke up with the girl and like I was much younger, but I felt like a lot of guilt about Breaking up with her and like really breaking her heart and I was doing hot yoga and somehow like all of a sudden my brain process that like I had not like allowed myself to feel that emotion of feeling like a fucking asshole for you know breaking this girl's heart and somehow the hot yoga unleashed it in me therapeutic never done a sense it's scary yeah that sounds good breath work meditation I see you keep looking at my wife's

fleshlight yeah she got nice box thank you okay this has been a good Exilarating Lamar. Very, very nice to get to know you. You too, bro. Incredible that my dad actually came for this. This is the first time my dad has ever actually been interested enough in a guest. He didn't come out for the Dennis Rodman interview. Oh, my God. Thank you. A pop seen me play before in college. Yes. His level of fanatic interest in high school and college football has always been really crazy.

So we go back. Just like me. He definitely probably like saw you play when you were still going through puberty. College. Probably not in college. Thank you, Zach. Very much, best of luck with the podcast and everything. I'm definitely interested to see how it goes.

Let's go. It's going great. Definitely. Oh, yeah, I forgot. I wanted to ask this. Are you, do you think that maybe you'll end up giving trans women a chance due to Caitlin being such a part of your life? Trans women of a chance as follows a chance is, I mean, they all have a chance.

You got to follow your heart, right? No, no. No, no. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. He walked out. He walked out. You saw it. You all saw it. He walked out.