No Jumper - Lil Shine on Being a Teenage Internet Sensation, Rapping About D****s & G***s & More

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

Lil Shine talks about doing sold-out shows, making music at 10 years old, Pluggnb, and more! ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumperofficial     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And my man Remo has lined up an interview with somebody who's creating a lot of noise. Just had his first sold out show in L.A., an entire audience, knew every single word. Lil Shine is in the building. Yeah. A little Sean in the building, man. Hell yeah. And you haven't done an interview in many years.

I've done one interview, but I wouldn't consider it like a real interview. I hadn't really created any buzz at that point, so this is like my first real interview. Right. What were the circumstances of that interview previously? You were just fucking around? Yeah, just fucking around. Basically, it was some people from my city. Right. But I don't know.

I didn't really like the questions they asked either. It wasn't a good interview, in my opinion. It's just like the first interview with like I can really reach out to my fans and tell them, you know, everything about Plug and B and the other community. Hell, we're honored. How old were you when you did that first? because that was like, well, four years ago, right? Well, yeah, that was like, yeah, three or four years ago. I was like 14, yeah.

Because you've been making music since we're super young, right? Dude, yeah, like 10, yeah. 10, yeah. And, okay, so for the people who don't know, where are you from and give us a little bit of your childhood experience? So I'm from originally Minneapolis, Minnesota. Getting into, like, music, I guess. It was from, like, my dad.

He listened to, like, a lot of Led Zeppelin and stuff like that. I grew up playing the drums with him. He played the guitar. I listen to a lot of Michael Jackson, Marvin Gay, like, stuff like that. And a lot of my influence comes from surprisingly, like, Michael Jackson and music and, like, that type of scene, like, 80s music, stuff like that. My parents played a ton of Michael Jackson and The Beatles and Marvin Gay for me. Dude, I still listen to Michael Jackson to this day.

Like, it's like one of my favorite artists, like, forever, yeah. It's kind of hard for us to even judge his impact because we were, like, I wasn't even, I was kind of like alive during his run, but like a lot of his run. but a lot of his run was before I was really like even paying attention to music but like I mean that's kind of like one of the most outsized impacts on music oh yeah no yeah I mean like honestly dude there's like not like a single artist like specifically that like influenced my music career it's like all types of music like R&B like I like music like I like music like per more you know what I mean I just recently got into them because I with Olivia Rodriguez so tough my girl was like no you

need to listen to paramour that's where this shit's just fucking fire yeah I fuck with that shit I but all types of music. So, yeah, I don't know. Like, I can just, a lot of my fans have said, like, an emo, like, type of, like, spin on, like, the plug and B that I do. Like, I kind of see it a little bit, but, like, yeah, like, that's, like, where a lot of my inspiration comes from, like, that really melodic type of sound.

And were you just always perpetually online? Yeah, yeah, honestly, yeah. From very early on. Do you ever go outside and play in the dirt or anything? Hell yeah, yeah. Of course. I mean, like, I wasn't, like, an iPad kid or anything, you know what I mean? but like I was always like technological.

Like I know my way around like a computer and stuff like that. So like learning how to make music was I guess like a lot easier than like other people could figure it out. You could say I guess. But I'm really technological person in my opinion. But did you ever learn to play an instrument or anything or everything was just learning online? The drums. The drums. Yeah.

I can play the drums. But I never like really tried to learn how to play like any other instruments. It's just like the computer is like easier. Okay. Yeah. But so you start being online like what kind of? kind of shit are you delving into on there and was like music part of it from the beginning? Yeah, so when I first started like getting into music online, I was like taking like three six mafia vocal chops and like creating like sample beats out of shit like that.

I don't know if you know like DJ Smokey's. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had him on back in the day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, shit like that. It was like what I first started with. So like I was like a producer way before. I was like an artist.

Um, that's why I started with. And then like it branched out into like the rapping when I started skateboard. actually. So like that that got me into like the plug scene of everything because the people I was around At the time they were listening to like early cardi, you know like with the plug beats Mexico drove Stuff like that and just like the underground plug scene in general and that that kind of just introduced me to the whole side of things and from then on I really I wanted to be a rapper just seeing how like yeah the whole thing unfolded but you were like 10 Yeah no that's that's the craziest part about it right but was there ever part of you that was like shit I'm a 10-year-old white kid from a city that a lot of people don't know much about.

Maybe I shouldn't be a rapper? That didn't occur to you. No, no. It really didn't, honestly. That's a beautiful thing that you had that confidence. Yeah, yeah. What age did you record your first song? I want to say probably like 10, 11.

Yeah. And what's funny about it is my first song ever was on a Mexico drove beat. So, like, it's been plugged since, like, the root of everything. So break down what plug and B is for the people who don't know what's going on. It's hard to like put into words exactly what it is. If I could like explain it, it would be like plug drums on like R&B melodies. Like it's R&B and plug mixed together. So that's the name plug and B.

And what's your definition of like plug for the people out there? I feel like I kind of know what you mean just because I listen to a lot of, you know, those Mexican music. I mean like it's like jug drums. You know what I mean? Like just really like upbeat. drums, I mean, like, it's, it's had, like, melodic aspects to it for, like, the majority of the time. Plug and B's been a thing, but, you know, I don't know how it would describe plug by itself. I mean, like, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, Cardi, early Cardi describes it all. Right. When I listen to your music, it feels like I'm in a house and the house is burning down, but instead of flames, it's auto-tune. Hmm. It's interesting. I feel like I'm being consumed by the, the auto tune, like when I'm listening to it, like, it's inescapable. What's crazy is, like, auto tune aspect, like, I use just as much auto tune as, like,

majority of artists. I don't know if it comes out in my voice more because, like, the way I sound, like, more, more, like, high pitch type of voice. Right, and I mean, actually, I'm kind of, like, oversimplifying, too, because it's, like, the distorted beats and the drums and all that shit kind of just comes together to just make it feel like it's kind of, like, almost like an end of the world type thing. Yeah, I understand. Also, I pitch up my music a lot of the time.

Like, it's not, like, my, like, natural. voice like 50% of my music is like pitched up to like a higher octave just because like it sounds more melodic in my opinion. Do you think that the desire to do that early on came from the fact that you were like, you know, so young that maybe like your voice hasn't developed fully yet? And so you were looking for other ways to make your music kind of stand out or sound like the way you wanted it to. Yeah, I guess. I mean like it just sounded better to me. Like I was I was playing around with it and I don't know like it just I like the melodies more when it's pitched up detuned. You know to me in. I like my normal voice, but honestly, when I was younger, I hated it, like, the high

pitch side of things, like, the amount of, like, negativity that I got just off of, like, the fact that I had a high pitch voice and I was younger was insane. Yeah. Damn. So in high school, though, you had to be the man, because if you were dropping music early on, like, what was the perception of you at school? I only went, like, to actual school for my freshman year. I went to alternative school. So, like, it's hard to explain what that really is. but like for me honestly they try to say it's for like like bad kids. Yeah, stuff like that

but like honestly like it was just easier for me. Like the learning experience is like a lot easier in alternative school. There's a lot less pressure and I felt like just the setting like being around other kids that were like like me and relatable to me it was a lot easier

to learn. But after my freshman year that's when like COVID like started really hitting. So I did like online school through that school and I just never went back. Like I just continued online school all the way through my graduation through that alternative school. But was it a situation where you were forced to go to alternative school or it was like a decision? No, it was really a decision because it not only was it an alternative school, it was a music based alternative school. So there was a lot of music aspects to it.

They had, you know, studios in the school and there was teachers there that were knowledgeable to music. So I don't know. It just felt like it was a good setting for me. But if you're going to like a music school and your music is as out on guard as your shit is, like, how do the teachers react to it? Do they like try to understand what you're going for? Or are they kind of like, no, you're doing it wrong. This isn't how music is supposed to sound. They let me like do what I want for the most part. A lot of them like were into like boom back type of like old. You know what I mean? Like a lot of like older style music. So like they don't really understand like this newer like underground generation of music. Um, but like they liked it. Like they didn't have anything against it. It's just like it's not what they grew up listening to. So it's like like night and day difference. So I mean, you know, it's like a completely different spin.

Mm. Yeah. Definitely. What, so from the very beginning though, were you kind of talking about having ops and porn foes and shit like that? Or was that something that came along down the road? Yeah. I mean like, yeah, I think I was talking about stuff like that. But like when you're so young, like you don't even understand like what the

the fuck like half of that shit even means when you're saying it. You know what I mean? Like when I was like, like really young, like 10, like 12, 13. Like, I don't even know what the fuck have for that shit meant. Like, like, like, a fucking off. And like, you know what I mean? Like, porn foes and shit.

Like, I had no idea what the fuck that shit was. You just have fun with it. Yeah, yeah. You ever, like, getting trouble in school or anything for maybe talking about adult subject matter? Not really. Like, I was pretty good in school. I mean, I graduated with honors. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm a smart kid. But, like, I mean, I had my situations in high school and stuff. But, for the most part, I was pretty good in school. You ever getting any serious trouble? I mean, like, there was, like, a couple, like, suspensions. There was, like, a situation where, like, I smoked a wood in the cafeteria. That was a situation. Your friends howling laughing out there?

Slump is out there as well. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, that was, it was an interesting. I didn't realize that was. It was on the, yeah. My bad slump, sorry. Yeah, it was on the first day of school, too. I mean, it was alternative school, though, so, like.

Hey, great minds think alike because that's how little. Jumex got signed back in the day was smoking a joint in class. Yeah. You know who little Jumex is? No, I don't. You miss that era. Okay. Do some Googles. Yeah, no, I got suspended for three days for that, smoking a wood. That seems pretty good. Smoking a wood and the cafeteria is f***ed up. Oh, no. That's pretty bad. Well, like, then again, it was alternative schools. Like, that wasn't really, like, like, you know, abnormal to them, I guess. I mean, like, what's funny is after I smoked it, the day I came back from suspension, the teachers had it pull it up, like, on the, the, the, the, cameras like watching it and they're just like laughing like one of the teachers like not only were you smoking you're smoking a wood like yeah know they knew what it was oh yeah brother yeah they were hip like okay that's hilarious you know my uncle quit smoking cigarettes he smokes purple backwoods no weed in it just just the backwood now just a cigar

I'm like bro you are a fain savage I'm like I know a million people smoke backwards with weeding I don't think I ever really known anybody just smoked it like that he's like 60 years 50 years old he's doing that shit. I couldn't believe it. That's savage for real. So your parents were all... So for them that transferred you over to an alternative school

from music, they were kind of behind your music career? Yeah, yeah. They supported me 100%. They always have. They don't support, like, the bad things that come with it, like the stuff that I talk about and stuff like that, obviously, especially with, like, the age that I was talking about that stuff at. Like, they...

Like, what... Like 13 year oldies, you know what I mean? Like talking about shit like that. So that obviously like made them think that I was troubled at a young age. But, yeah, they support me. Yeah, they always have. So when do you think it was the first time you started seeing success from dropping any of your music? Honestly, probably around like 13, 14.

That's when I started seeing success. And it was, I think, primarily just based off of the fact that I was so young. and like I'm white and the shit that was being talked about and the fact that I was so hip to like the underground scene and making like these these plug you know songs and a lot of people my age had no idea what the fuck plug was and you know some people like 21 Savage and shit like that and you know what I mean?

Were you posting your shit online trying to like get noticed or was it something? Oh yeah yeah it was bro SoundCloud all that shit like yeah promoting my shit just like I am today right yeah what about eating grass and getting suspended for that That's a real thing? Huh? You ate grass and got suspended for it? No.

Oh, okay. I watched this like little documentary video about you and they said it. All that shit's bullshit. Like all those documentaries. They make memes and troll you a lot. Bro, this is like the first interview. Like I'm really gonna like dive deep into shit. So like all that shit is just fucking guesses.

Like people are just like making up half this shit. And like these documentaries like I don't even know where the half the information comes from bro. Like wow. It's actually just bullshit. Because the dude mentioned you eating grass two different times in the video. So I started when I'm like, oh, he was really eating grass. Like that's disgusting. Like how could you even continue your day after that?

Yeah, I'm not eating grass. That's funny. So were you using like Triller back in the day? Like that was that the main thing that was helping you like, get your family's up? Yeah, yeah. I definitely was using Triller. I don't really use it much anymore.

But yeah, that was like a big part. Yeah. So once you're actually making music and starting to like get your shit together, do you start getting less interested in the Michael Jackson? of the world and more focused on like the chief keefs and like all the shit that was going on in rap or what i mean like no i i i just put it all at once like today like i'll play a chief keef song and then play a michael jackson song right after type shit you know what i mean like i like all fucking genres of music and i always have like i never just been like solely focused on one genre and like only listening to that

like i take inspiration from every fucking aspect of music like real shit respect i seen somewhere where you were you said you were a little keed fan you're a little keed fan you're a little keith you're a little Ed fan? Maybe I was like back in the day. I didn't listen to him in a while, yeah, but. And Y and W. Melly? What about what you think about him right now? Oh yeah. I mean, I don't listen to that type of music right now, but like, shit's fire. Like, I fuck with it. I like all that melodic shit. Okay. So who are you listening to like right now versus... Right now? Yeah, versus... Honestly, bro. Right now I'm listening to like a lot of L.A. rap. I've been listening to a lot of L.A. rap for the past year. Like,

Big Sad, you f***. Shot the big sad. Fire, bro. Like, all that shit's heat. Like, I've been listening that shit, like, steady for the past, like, year and a half, two years. Okay, a lot of L.A. rap. I don't listen to a lot of Plug-N-B, honestly, just because, like, I make that shit, and, like, I don't know. I don't find, like, much interest in listening to it as much as I used to, but, like, I'll still put on, like, some old Plug-N-B music. I listen to, like, a lot of old Cardi and shit.

I don't really listen to, like, a lot of new Cardi. I don't listen to, like, that opium shit too much. Really? It's just not my style. When did Cardi lose you? Like, how do you feel... When you just listened to a whole lot of red, it was... It was a letdown?

I couldn't even name, like, two songs off it. Like, and that's, like, just, like, respectfully. Like, I don't listen to that type of music. So, like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know much about it, to be honest. Like, I'm, like, I'm in tune with the plug shit. You know what I mean? Like, when that opium shit, like, came out, like,

I didn't really pay attention to it. Like, it's still kind of new to me, bro, because, like, my roots are fucking, like, plug and beat. You know what I mean? Like, that's, like, all I know, like, for the underground shit. Let's break this down because a lot of people are probably going to be in the comments. and they're going to have different opinions on this yeah who do you credit for creating plug plug and

be so like okay from an artist's perspective like when i'm going to make a song the first thing i do is pick out a beat you know what i mean like that's like the first step you can't make a song without a beat so like i'm going to give full credit to like zan honestly yeah like zangangang like producer wise just because like you cannot make a song without a beat you know what i mean like it's impossible so yeah like Like artists wise it's so controversial bro like people really take that shit serious like who created that You sound I don't know I don't know I have no idea I don't know I have no idea If you had to give me two people who would you say so we didn't just I'm just gonna like follow what everyone else is because like bro like when I was making like robin making plug and be honestly since like 2017 and like back then it wasn't even called plug and be it was it was just melodic plug that's all it was like that name I don't know who like I don't I don't have receipts of anything you know what I mean

Like I can't confirm like for sure but like like like definitely like at the beginning it was really like Corey Lingo and like like Summers just like you know like those two people like those are the two names you hear a lot when you like talk about who started it so I'll probably go with that All right and at one point you were in a group with Summers and can can Yeah, yeah D1 D1 yeah I don't know I mean like I was I was like I was like 13 so like I took it serious but like I think to them like it wasn't really that serious how did y'all even where did y'all build a friendship at just online yeah online it was it was all online based I didn't really meet any of them in person um around that time but um yeah all online yeah was there shows that you were excited to go to growing up or did you have to like kind of wait

until you got older you could travel um shows i mean like other artists i've the only show that I really been to is like that I've been I went to an X show really yeah when you were super young I'm gonna oh yeah like like 11 was on that revenge tour I think so because that's probably the only time that he would have played yeah he came to Minnesota um you played at a pretty big venue in my city and so I think that's the only time he came to my city that was the tour that got canceled halfway through because there was so much fucked up shit happening every night he got knocked out on that tour crazy yeah that was a wild type period yeah that so because I was gonna ask that is like what's

perspective on like you know the the prior sound cloud rap waves whether it was like X and I listened to that shit bro I did I definitely listen to that shit when I was growing up I didn't take influence like in an aspect where it's like I want to make music like this but like I enjoyed listening to it and like it definitely was part of like my growing up experience just because that was like what was popping at the time mm like a little pump and like you know smoke for X all that shit like so it was big so yeah I definitely listened to it Yeah.

Miami, baby. Let's talk about it. So that was one of your first songs that kind of like... That song definitely like, like, opened the door to like a lot of all the artists I know now type shit. Like Ron's so cold. He like, he helped introduce me to like a lot of the people I know now. That song definitely like is very, was very helpful to my career. I don't really like the song.

Yeah, I've seen you say that. Why? Just bro, like the baby voice shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like it sticks with me, bro. because like that song it came with so much negative backlash bro just like the baby voice shit like I kept hearing it like and like bro when I would go to school and like Miami babe for people would always be singing that shit like you know what I mean like yeah there was a time period where

anytime you'd hear people talk about Cardi they were pretty much talking about the baby voice yeah like that was like a different baby voice you know what I mean like he's like forcing that but like that was like my natural voice so like I felt like bullied by the fact that like people were like You know what I mean? Like coming out my voice type of shit. Right. And it's crazy that you connect to Ronso Cold like that because he was a big person in the sort of sat-plows scene

and he had a bunch of videos on No Jumper in like 2016, 2017. I remember, yeah. Yeah, hell yeah. That was crazy because I hadn't heard his name in a few years. Yeah, he's cool. But that's dope that he got involved. Yeah. How do you reach out to you?

Instagram, I think, yeah. And like at the time he was like, he was connected with like Summers and all of them in that like that D1 shit. Like I think he was part of it. Yeah, and he kind of got me, like, locked in with them, I guess you could say. Like, that's when, like, the D1 doors, like, open. Like, that's when, like, I started, like, gaining actual traction in, like, the SoundCloud community for, like, the plug-and-bee shit.

And, like, people started, like, noticing, you know, like, that this little kid is doing all this shit with the plug shit. You used to do a lot of features, but on your last project. You know, I haven't done a lot of features. I've been focusing on myself. I feel like I overdid the features when I was a lot younger. But, like, it's because, like, I don't know. Like motivation is hard for me. I feel like I lose motivation with like making music a lot of the time.

I don't know exactly what it is, but like I start songs, I don't finish them. You know what I mean? Like I'll start a song and just scrap it and come back to it. And five months later and my voice will be changed by then because I'm still fucking growing. So you know what I mean? Like I can't finish it. So I was just getting all these fucking artists, every artist that wanted to make a song on the fucking, you know, the shit. Yeah.

So I don't know. I definitely overdid the features. But yeah, I'm focusing on. So that's why now you just focus on. just not doing music with anybody. Yeah, I'd rather be known for me, you know what I mean? And then, like, feeding off of someone else's fans and shit like that. Like, I want to build my own fan base by myself.

So the other day we was at your show, and that was, you and Richard and Mary's show, that was your first performance ever? I had done a little performance with the same, like, group that interviewed me that I was speaking about from my city. And, like, there wasn't really any traction there. I mean, like, it was a smaller show. And years ago Years ago

So like I hadn't really Gained like a real fan base yet But yeah This is the first show Where it was like real like D-Hard fans You came out to Gene Sog Wasn't it

That's art And the crowd was singing it Word from where I was so fucking surprised Like I was so worried about that show Bro I thought like it was gonna be like an awkward Experience

But like right when I got on the stage Like the adrenaline just took over type shit And like I was like a whole different fucking person The crowd knew like Damn there every song Every fucking word Every word. So I'm, for this to be your first show in LA, like, how did you feel after you did that show?

Like, you was like, I'm really. Oh, adrenaline high, bro. Like, I felt good as fuck. Like, I, I knew that, like, I had a fan base, but, like, I didn't know that they were like, you know, like, locked in like that, bro. Like, they, yeah, they blew my mind for show. He sent me that clip and that just seeing that level of passion from that many people just made me like, oh, fuck, I got to actually. You don't see that a lot anymore in the underground. Like, that's fucking rare, bro.

Like, yeah, it was a lit moment. Okay. We always talk about how the underground's kind of dead because artists get signed and kind of blow up to. Yeah, and they go in a whole different direction. There's not like enough time where they're underground and they're able to really like build that fan base up and shit, but it feels like that. I felt like, oh, I'm witnessing something special when I observe this. Yeah, bro, I don't want to be one of those artists. Real shit.

I want to stay like with this underground sound. I want to turn that into something else. Really? So if a label came to you and offered you a million dollars right now, you'd probably be confident and turn it down because you want to build more organically? it depends like what would like come from that like because like bro like if it involves like like staying with my sound type shit and like turning plug and B into like something bigger like I'm all for it you know what I mean like that shit's cool but like I wouldn't want to branch out to like a mainstream side of like you know what I mean like that's just not for me like I always

want to make this like this underground sound because I mean that's kind of the question is like would you rather be someone who's less rich but super true to the culture and what you believe in or do you want to be somebody who maybe gets a lot of money but you have to basically compromise who you are along the way yeah i feel you yeah bro i don't know i just want to make plug and be honestly bro that's how i'm interested in doing you know what's funny i just realized is that the one interview that you did was with water wave tv who i know because that's what that's what i'm talking about i know because i went to a kandama event in your city at one point bro i think i saw that and he slid on me while i was outside the event because he was hitting me up trying to do an interview and

I was just kind of ignoring it or whatever, and he pulled up and fucking took me into an alley and interviewed me. That's fucking hilarious. I saw that. I remember seeing that. Yeah. It was Waterway. Yeah. That's who I did the show with and the interview.

You got to respect someone trying to do content in a small city like that, but doesn't have as much going on, you know? Yeah, no. It's definitely nothing against them. I was being like 100% honest. Like, that wasn't like a good interview in my eyes just for me and like the size of artists I was. You know what I mean? Like the questions. Like they just weren't correct for me.

You ever play Condama? I have. Because you grew up around there. Sweets. Yeah, I never got like into, you know what I mean? I've been seeing like, yeah. But yeah, that's just cool. He's from like the most prevalent Condama City, which is not something.

Are we really known for that? Well, that's where the biggest company is from. Minnesota? Sweets. Oh, I know what that is. Yeah, that's them. I think they like pulled up to our school one time. Oh, yeah.

They do all kinds of demos and shit. Yeah. Crazy. Small world. Did Maddox have any influence over you? Not really. Not really. I fuck with bro.

Do you get compared to him a lot? Because, you know, like, he was early on with it. Well, only people that would be, like, comparing us is, like, the corny-ass, like, things, you know what I mean? Like, we're in our own different, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's a whole different lane type shit, like, whole different sound. So, yeah. But people do be doing that, but, like, it would be, like, his fans that, like, will, like, come across me on the internet type shit. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And try to compare us, but, yeah. Why did I name Lushan anyway? Hmm? Why then, how did you get your name? My name? Yeah. Honestly, bro, you know, my mom came up with that shit.

Yeah. That's not something I've ever heard someone say. My mom came up with my rap name. I like that. Yeah, yeah. So, like, bro, like, I was struggling so hard to, like, think of what the fuck of my name myself. And, like, I don't know. She just popped into her head.

She's like, Little Sean. It was as simple as that, bro. Like, there's no meaning behind it at all. Where I was just chilling my mom. And I was like, I need a rap name. She was like, oh. She spas. It's fucking hard.

Yeah, that's hard. Like, damn. Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, I just went when I was like, shit. It's fucking hard. You know what I mean? Like, damn. No, that's just hard.

Who do you feel is that like? How do you feel about SoundCloud rap in 2023? It's definitely died down a lot. But I mean, like, I'm not giving up on it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm still dropping consistently on SoundCloud, just like any other platform. And what's funny is I didn't even drop on, like,

platforms like Spotify and iTunes until, like, just a year ago. Like, I was all SoundCloud. Like, that's all I dropped on. And I, like, gained probably, like, 80% of my fan base that I have right now just off of SoundCloud. Like there was no like you know like Spotify action something like that I didn't do that until my most recent album Yeah sound called still kind of cracking because that's a certain point I realized that because I love 4-1 out of Brooklyn and like a drill group and Like at a certain point I realized if I want to hear their shit that they haven't got approved because of certain samples and shit

I got to like read download SoundCloud and like be on there because that's where they put all their rare shit that They'll they'll make TikToks and reels to it and then I go try to find it out of on Apple Music and I can't find it in a certain point I realized like I gotta go back to the SoundCloud it's been a while I noticed a lot of people are going to like Spotify and iTunes I don't know if it's because like fucking like simplicity or whatever but like people just aren't on SoundCloud like they used to be it's just because people want to make money off it you know but it used to be remember like Kanye would just drop a random fucking song on SoundCloud and it would get like 20 million plays and it's like I don't know even though like Apple Music and Spotify like damn me or

everybody's got it and it's not that expensive it's still like hits a different hits the audience in a different way when you give it out on a sound I don't know. Yeah, I feel it. I don't know. I'm always going to stick with soundcloths. Like my roots, I was brought up,

you know what I mean? Like driving music on soundcloth, so I'm not going to give up on it personally. The plug scene is still big on it. Yeah, like I feel like plug is like holding SoundCloud up, like a lot of plug rappers still drop on SoundCloud that I know personally,

you know? Right. Yeah. It's got a, it's like a good recommendation engine, too. So it's like you might get exposed to a lot of new fans from people just, it just plays your shit after other people's shit. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah, they also do like that playlisting shit. They have, like, the plug playlist and shit like that shit like that shit. Yeah, they'll put my music in that shit. That shit's cool. I'm fine with that shit. And all the Joe kids use samples and shit.

So that's why I feel like they fuck with SoundCloud as well. SoundCloud's like pretty hip. I feel like to like the plug community and shit. I've been seeing like they're like a lot more hip now than they used to be with the underground sound like the plug and be shit. Who's your like biggest friends in the underground? Friends? Yeah, like are you, you have friends in underground? I see slump out there.

Yeah, no, like I fuck with a lot. I mean, like, Bro, I'm friends with everyone. Like, I'm one of those people, bro. I don't have problems with, like, really anyone in the underground. Like, I never really have. Yeah. I fuck with everyone.

Like, close friends that you could say, like, I'd hang out with, like, in person. Honestly, bro, like, you know who Lebanon is? You don't know what that is? I think I've seen him. Yeah, it's like another plug-in-be artist. I fuck with him, like, young friendy. I fuck with Summers. Summers is cool as fuck.

Can-can. He's cool as shit. Yeah. I fuck with everyone, bro. How you feel about all? oh, what happened when summer's at Box Fest? I know you've seen that. Everyone's been talking about it. I don't got no comment.

I won't be honest. It's a new level for the Underground scene. We haven't really seen. Definitely interesting. Too much of that in recent years. I mean, like, if anything, it benefited him, like, he's going up from it for sure. I've been seeing.

Yeah, but that's just definitely crazy. I like that he did a, like, a response track and basically just made it sound exactly like a young boy song. Like, that to me was an amazing move on his part. Like, that was fucking genuinely. hilarious that he just did that. Yeah, he's been making that young boy shit. Yeah.

That shit's hard. Oh, so he's got other shit like that too, so I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, bro. He's been doing that shit. That shit's cool. Yeah. It shows hell of versatility. Yeah.

But y'all still, like, I have a friendship to this day. Like, y'all talk, chop it up? Yeah, hell yeah. No, I was with him in the studio, like, a month ago. Oh, early? Yeah. So, y'all got some music. Coming soon, maybe?

Yeah. What about Autumn? Because you and Autumn used to, you and Autumn used to, you and Autumn used to be friends, or y'all was in the group too? Yeah, we were in the group. I don't know. I haven't talked to bro in like years. He like says some shit like about me

and like a comment and some shit like that I didn't fuck with. Yeah. I missed that. What did you say? Nah, like someone says some shit like you should work with a little shrine or whatever. And then he was just like,

he was like never or some shit like that. I was just like you know what I mean? Because like I don't be certain problems in him. You know what I mean? Like I fucked him, bro. You know what I mean? Like I fuck with his music and all that shit. I don't got nothing against no one

So like that just kind of caught me off guard I was like you know I don't like when people do that weird shit bro You know what I mean She's fake You feel like you get haters Just because you've been kind of blowing up quickly And a lot of people have been working their asses off

For a long time Yeah I've been working my fucking ass off Like you know what I mean Like no cap eight years bro Like yeah I'm glad it's starting to finally pay off It's just hard for people even fathom Because they see you you're young They figure that you must not have been going for it

For that long But I mean you have like a crazy catalog of shit out there from Hell, yeah, I got a fat-ass catalog, no cap. Is that part of you that everything's about taking it down or is that

100% bro but like I feel like it's part of me like I can't do that it would be like unfair to the fans that actually enjoy that shit bro because like back then

it was like really 50-50 on like the hate and love like really bro like it was 50% of people really just showing pure hate bro like just the fact that I'm white and like my voice is high and I was young

and all this shit but brother's just surprisingly really people that actually fucked with that. that shit out there and like it got them through hard times so I've heard so you know what I mean I'm not gonna take that shit down I thought about it though for sure when I've seen that live show clip I was just like damn there was a younger generation that this just clearly speaks to on a totally different level which I know it's just it's just motivational as a person who's loved hip-hop

for a long time even if this shit is obviously like way outside the realm of like traditional hip-hop but just anytime I can see young kids being that genuinely excited about shit it just kind of gets me hyped that that that shit still exists bro what's crazy is when I make these songs I don't have meaning like when I create it you know what I mean like these kids like create meeting out of it you know what I mean like I just be like punching in like just like not even thinking about what the fuck I'm saying like I just be saying the first shit that comes to my head that rhymes with the next bar you know what I mean but like these kids really create meaning and like it it helps them apparently yeah I make emotional music type shit you know what I mean like a lot of the

shit is really heartfelt music but like like I said it's inspiration from like Michael Jackson and shit like that bro like that's like one of those artists that really made like music that touch people so like maybe my lyrics but you say you make emotional music have you experienced enough with girls and shit for that to be like a major source of what you're making music about I have but like it it's not really just females bro like just like mental health in general you know what I mean like I've like struggled with a lot of shit like depression and anxiety like my whole life type shit I don't really speak about that a lot on the internet because like I tend to keep like the personal shit and I tend to keep like the personal shit outside of the internet, but like, yeah, bro, I'd be dealing with a lot of that shit all the time, but I'm not the type of person I go talk about it, like, openly, like, and, like, boast about it on the internet and, like, be like, I'm depressed, you know what I mean? Because depression is, like, a pose for a lot of rappers and shows. Yeah, I don't want to seem like I'm like, I mean, like, bro, like, I don't need help with any of my, you know what I mean? I definitely be, like, going through it, you know what I mean?

You have a history with drugs? So, I mean, like, bro, like I said, like, I was getting into, like, all, like, the SoundCloud shit so young that like I fucked with all the drugs and shit at like crazy young age like I was fucking with psychedelics and shit like at like age 13 14 like fucking with acid

and mushrooms and all that shit I mean I don't really fuck opiates like that I've I've like dabble around with all that shit and I had like my time period where like I fucked with that shit but like it never really was just for me right now bro like I'm 100% sober like I don't smoke weed

I don't do nothing like yeah my life like is shifted downwards like right now is like the age I should start like experimenting with shit like that but like I was doing all that shit the experimentation when I was like yeah somebody who's done a shit little drugs saw my life I'll tell you that like it's like when people offering me fucking drugs right now I'm just like think about this trade off like I could feel real good for a period of time and then I'm gonna feel like shit afterwards for longer like I don't feel tempted at all when somebody tries to give me to do coke because it's like I feel fine right now and I

don't really need to experience some like peaks and valleys to like just have an extreme experience and I feel like the earlier you figure that out as a young dude the better off you'll be because like even though it might feel good in the moment like being out in public or just being fucked up and shit it's like it's going to make you make bad decisions it's going to make you look like a fucking goofy I have a lot of recollection of meeting people that are kind of important in the music industry or the rap world and I was fucking loaded on zans or mollie or whatever and I just probably made a total fool of myself in front of people even if I felt like I was keeping it cool the yeah I don't you mean the earlier you figure out that it's not worth it the better

I feel. Now, facts, I feel you. Honestly, bro, like, psychedelics, bro, they really did, like, benefit me. I feel like, like with like the mental health shit, bro, like,

like, microdosing, like mushrooms and shit like that. And like, just going through like, honestly, bro, I've had some like pretty traumatic acid trips, like real shit, like some like pretty,

like crazy experiences. Um, because I was doing that shit so young and like, I don't know if it's because my brain was underdeveloped or whatever. But like, that shit was, was hitting me a little. little bit different than other people around me for sure.

Yeah. Psychedelics are definitely something where it can have a positive impact on you, but it also could easily not. And a lot of it has to do with how much you take and what kind of mental state you are. Of course. And especially when you're talking to being really young, that's just like a roll of the dice. Yeah. You don't know what the fuck's going to happen. No, no. I was out like, I would have like amazing like beautiful trips when I was around like other people that like had like a good vibe type shit. But like there was just like a select few times where like I was around like the wrong crowd of people and you know what I mean like it just it all went bad type shit so like those traumatizing situations I feel like made me stronger mentally type shit

and like honestly bro like they opened up like a part of my brain that I didn't know was like you know like so like creativity wise like this shit just helped with the music I feel like for sure I remember like even the first it was not psychedelic but like the first time I ever did ecstasy I was like oh I've I've never felt this good in my entire life and I got to like I know I can carry some of this into the sober realm I've done Molly one time. You know what 100 Gex is? Yeah.

Yeah, I did Molly on my 15th birthday at 100 Gex show. Wow. Yeah. And how was that? Oh, dude, that show was fucking amazing. Because I meant to ask Hyperpop Daily if he was a fan of them. Because that's like the original Hyperpop, right? I don't listen to that shit.

I don't listen to that shit anymore. I used to have like, but like, I don't know. I didn't really consider it Hyperpop. I mean, it is. But like, I just like the melodies, bro. Like all that melodic shit. Like, I don't really care about, yeah, like the name or anything. But I fucked with them.

I don't listen to them much anymore. but they were popping then like around that time yeah when I was like 15 that sure was lit though bro yeah you had a car and you crashed you what kind of car you had a Chrysler 300 how you crash it that okay so the Chrysler 300 that was the first car I ever had um I got that before I had a license so like I didn't know how to drive it all when I got the car like the first time I ever drove the car was my first time driving ever type shit so like I had bought the car just because I wanted a car like I needed a car really bad and like I was sick of being like emotional You know what I mean? Like I wanted to be able to move around. So I bought the car

I guess I re-rended someone when I was driving over a bridge and like young boy was playing, right? I swear to God. Got to crash the whip to the young boy. I swear to God. Like no, it's like, bro, the song was playing like low. Like I was just like on my phone not paying attention. I turned the young boy up all the way and just fucking like pulled off type shirt just like running everywhere like I don't know what I thought. Like you know what I mean? Like the young boy just had me. Young boy took over man. Well, the young boy took over, right? So, yeah, I was driving. I was, like, going through my neighborhood, bro, just, like, fucking, like,

I was driving, like, the police were behind me, but they were not, they definitely weren't behind me. Like, I was just, like, being stupid. And I, like, jumped the curb and crashed the shit into a tree. And, like, yeah, like, started a little fire and shit. That shit was bad. How did you explain that to your parents? My mom pulled up.

She was, like, a block away at my house. And I called her, and I was like, you need to come down here right now type of shit. I was only 16. She pulled up, and she was crying, and all the, shit and police came and yeah that was a whole ordeal and like apparently the yard that I crashed into the old guy that lives there

was mowing his lawn like 10 minutes before that like in the same place I crashed so like if I would have like done that 10 minutes before like you know what I mean like you want to be right here right now yeah yeah and then the YouTube documentary is about you would be like Lil Shine the rapper who killed an old man

at 16 yeah exactly that's a dark narrative yeah oh yeah career would a yeah good thing didn't happen right yeah great yeah yeah hell yeah he comes out of jail shout my boy st cloud

because he definitely has some questions for you he said were you aware that one of little Wayne's sons like reacted to your songs really one of little Wayne's sons I think I did see that I don't know I don't even know what he said like I remember looking at it like glancing at

but I don't know what the fuck he said I think it was support I don't I think it was support yeah it was like half support like I don't know I think he said some shit like he folks at it, but he doesn't know, like, I don't know. How old even are Lowell Wayne's kids at this point? I didn't even know he had kids

that old. He seemed like he was like 13, right? He's wrong. I know he has like 10 and 11 year old or somewhere around there, but they're old enough. He seemed pretty young, bro. Yeah, he seemed pretty young. You still Lou Tracy reached out to you before? Yeah, I've spoke to Tracy a couple times. That was a long time ago, though,

bro, like a long time ago. We haven't spoken a while. But yeah, I know we talked on the phone a couple times. I fuck her, bro. That was an underground rap pioneer right there. Especially in the niche that you're in. He was fucking early on that shit. That was one of the first rappers that I was tapped in with, honestly, doing this shit. Bro, yeah, I used to listen to him heavy too, bro.

I used to listen to everything, gang. Okay, all that shit. All that shit. I fuck with that show. Rest and peace. Did you get your chain first or your veneers? I was wondering if those teeth were real. I was thinking that.

Which one you got first? I got the chain first. I definitely got the chain first, yeah. What did you get it? What year was this? Uh, this was this year. It was the beginning of the year. Yeah.

It was about like, yeah, like, about a year ago now. Yeah. I got the chain first, yeah. Shout out of my jeweler. Mir's smiles. No cap. What made you want to make that move? You felt like you had to do it to be a rapper?

Of course, bro. Kid to me? That shit. It's, bro, definitely like, I don't know. It changed, like, the game for me. Like, just walking around with the chain on. Like, it's a whole different feeling. You feel me?

Like, it's bust down shame. Like, what? Give you superpowers when you put it on? Hell yeah, bro. Behind the microphone. all that, I started making better music. I feel that. Do you feel like more of a target

or like some thirsty person might feel the needs to do something? Yeah, I guess, but like, I don't really be thinking about that, bro. I'm not really worried about that. You know, a lot of people think you're from California. Yeah, they probably do. Bro, my fucking...

Los Angeles is my top-placed city. Like, I'm always here, too. Okay, this is why they think that. Because I only post pictures when I'm here. Because, like, there's not shit to take a... picture with in Minnesota except the fucking snow you know what I mean yeah so like all the

pictures I post are here and I put the location Los Angeles so like everyone's just created this like narrative that like I'm from Los Angeles and I'm not from Los Angeles I'm from Minnesota you remember the first time that you heard Yadis say it's cold like Minnesota I do and that shit's like shook you to your core bro it's made everyone think that Minnesota is always fucking cold right you know what seasons like it's literally like bro it's just another Midwest fucking states like Chicago fucking New York like we have a winter and we have a summer and the summer it gets up to fucking like you know one 10 you know what I mean just like anywhere else but I'm from

New Hampshire and so I always have that conversation too because I highlight the fucking snow because it was traumatic growing up at that much fucking snow like it's just lot of snow in New Hampshire oh yeah like during the winter it's crazy but then during the summer it's like unbelievably it definitely gets crazy in Minnesota but like I think like people like created the narrative that like Minnesota's insanely cold just because we've had like like crazy moments in history where like Minnesota's got like fucking like 10 plus feet of snow and like people have been snowed in

like their houses like because we're like right next to fucking North and South Dakota type shit so like we're like close to like as cold as it can get besides Antarctica but people who didn't grow up in that shit don't know what it's like to wake up and look outside and see like a five foot tall pile of snow on your

whole yard on your mom's car shit like that so whenever I talk about the weather or whatever I was back home it's like you didn't like that shit though? I mean I mean, I personally love nice weather. That's why I fucking moved here more than anything else. I feel you. I just like, I love going to fucking Hawaii.

I do not like going anywhere where there's snow and the ground. I love it. I've been to, like, Russia during the winter and shit. And it's just, it's not worth it. It's just terrible. Yeah, I feel it. I don't know. Like, every time I come to L.A., and it's like winter back home, I always feel

relieved to, like, land back home. You know what I mean? Like, the snow is just, like, turned into, like, my comfort type shit. Like, you know what I grew up with that shit. But do you like going outside a lot? When I was a kid, I did. I mean, like, not now, obviously. Like, there's not shit to do outside.

Yeah. I mean, I grew up around BMX, but, like, so to me, Snow was always the enemy. Oh, yeah, yeah, when I was skateboarding, yeah, when I was, like, a lot younger. Because, bro, I used to skate crazy. Like, that was, like, a big part of my childhood. So, like, obviously around then, like, yeah,

like, I always wanted to skate outside in the fucking winter. Do you think that the skate culture and the experience of skating did that kind of help shape what you're into as a person? Oh, yeah, like I said before, bro, like, like, being around, like, all these older kids that were, like, skating and shit, they were making, like, skate edits and shit to like Cardi and like all this like plug music so like that shit turned me up to like you know like it introduced me to like the plug and bcine and all that

shit I would have a way less eclectic sense of taste with music and everything if it wasn't for the fact that I grew up watching all these BMX and skate videos and just getting turned on to rappers and bands and shit like left and right just so much different shit that I wouldn't have figured out about if I had just kind of been listening to the same shit I was used to yeah that like the BMX and skate scene is like super hip to all that shit okay you wasn't making a plug because I heard you say that unlike you experienced with a lot of music but you're only putting out your plug and B songs yeah if you wasn't doing plug and B what genre would you actually like focus on

bro honestly like probably like like 80s funk to be honest I've been making shit like that recently that shit's hard I fuck with all that shit like if I bro if I could like be like any type of musician it would be like Michael Jackson shit like shit like that bro like yeah but that shit's so hard to make like it takes real talent to make like music like that bro like you can't do it with the auto and it doesn't sound right. You know what I mean? Like,

you need to really know how to sing. But you could be like the Taylor Swift of your generation because she started out as a country singer and then transitioned to like pop star, indie rock. Like she really kind of surpassed multiple different genres to become the biggest superstar of all time.

Yeah. Or at least our time. Well, I've already created like this fucking plug and bee shit like around my name. You know what I mean? So like I feel like that's the genre that I could really like bring to like mainstream.

Like a lot of people say like plug and B can't go mainstream, but I feel like it definitely could with like the right. You know what I mean? But do you feel like you're kind of in a box where if you really wanted to experiment and try different things that your existing fan base might not accept it? Honestly, bro, surprisingly, my fan base asks for like that other shit all the time like they want to hear the versatility. I feel like they're going to support me no matter what I do honestly like I'd be psyched myself out type shit like I'll like convince myself that they won't fuck with it. But like really bro like they definitely would all that shit like anything with me.

Yeah. Well, because the first time I really seen that was with X because he came out. with all this like rage music that got him super fucking popular and then he puts out an album and it's all like campfire sing along type shit yeah i remember that i was like you can do that you could get popular making one type of music and then just immediately switch it up and they're still they're gonna love it more than the shit that you got famous for like that kind of blew my mind bro yeah no bro yeah my fans fuck with like all the other like genres that i made like the glow shit like the chief keef shit i made hell of shit like they'd be fucking with that shit like but like 50% of my fan base is like solely off of that too bro like the Chief Keith shit like yeah that glow shit's hard as fuck I love making that show you gotta be able to get him in the studio with Chief Keith that would be fucking iconic Bro it definitely would be it can't be that hard He likes a lot of strange music he makes very strange music when you really pay attention to his recent outfit yeah it's like a big inspiration you've been to a store yet low game store no I haven't bro no rose no rose yeah facts but the other side the other side of Fairfax

St. Cloud told me to ask you about your CBD backwards. CBD backwards. Okay. There was a point in time where my mom was like really pissed off that I was smoking and all this shit because like I was like 11-12 like smoking backwood. Because like I was like like 11, 12 like smoking backwards and shit. Like you know what I mean? That shit is like ridiculous. So she was like drug testing me and like I was smoking like CBD backwards.

You know like that CBD weed? You know what I'm talking about? Like that like flowers. You know what I mean? I was smoking that shit. That's like an inside joke. I know who asked that. Yeah.

That's funny as shit. Yeah. I like pulled up to a studio one time in New York, like blowing a CBD back with him like. Well, St. there. Yeah. All right. But I remember the first time somebody offered me CBD weed and they were like, this is like smoking pain pills.

And I was like, okay. That sounds amazing. Like, because it's like it's not supposed to get you like high. It's just supposed to give that cool, chilled out feeling. Yeah, it was basically what it did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Real weed smokers are going to act like elit us about it. That was like a one-month thing that I did, but yeah, I didn't really fuck with that shit. I didn't really do anything. It just made me, like, lightheaded, honestly. Have you got any label deals or people offering you, like, a deal right now? No, I signed a distribution deal. Oh, really? With who?

It's like a collaboration deal with, like, Alamo and Hollywood Media. I don't know if you know where there. I don't know Alamo. Hollywood? Yeah, Hollywood's super cool. Yeah. Fire people, yeah. And how did you get with Harry and Nissom?

Honestly, bro, through Lebanon, the person we were talking about earlier, I think he, like, showed them my music, and Harry was saying he wanted to manage me and stuff, and we just made it happen, yeah. That's all right, yeah. Harry, and you're definitely in the right hands because the boys are moving, man. Hell yeah. How long they've been managing you?

Like seven months now, six, seven months, yeah. tight shit yeah what's your friendship with rich and mary i seen you guys like hop on live and like chop it up a couple times yeah rich mary's cool as fuck it's like cool people i fuck with him i got any music on the way shit maybe we don't really have anything around we have like one old track type like some plug-and-b shit from a while ago but we'll probably eventually make some shit hell yeah of course even though i know you say you're not really focused on features if you could get a dream feature right now who would you want to work with dream feature yeah just like anybody I don't know,

I'll probably have to say like either as of right now like future or Chief Keefe I feel like that would be super beneficial for the plug-in B shit like if like Chief Keefe got in a fucking plug-and-b bro like it would be like game-changing or future got in a plug-and-bbeat

that should be fucking insane. Yeah, if you're going to go dream feature you definitely can't choose somebody low-key you gotta go for the fucking yeah. Yeah, yeah game-changing. Okay. Definitely.

So when you look at your career it's like you do kind of make some of the most out-of-the-box music that I heard in a long time, but where do you see your career going over the course of however many years? Are you in a hurry to blow up or you feel like you're happy to kind of bide your time and let this happen organically? I want you to be as natural as possible, bro. Yeah. Like, I don't know.

I want to make plug and be mainstream. Like if that's possible, bro, like, yeah. That's like for sure the goal, like the end goal to have like plug and be like a top genre type shit. Like, yeah. Yeah, 100%. Who do you feel like is at the forefront? on a plug-and-bee, besides yourself. Besides me?

Yeah. I think, like, Summer still has, like, his name with that genre a lot. Like, when you say Plug-N-B, like, summers and autumn, like, come to mind type shit.

Besides Summers, I don't really know, bro. I'm not going to... Cory Lingo, for sure. It's another one, Lebanon. There's not really a lot

of plug-and-be artists these days, bro? Like, there's really not. Like, there's not many left. Yeah. We're a small group. We all know each other. Real shit.

Yeah. Are you friends with Lalsi? I think I've seen Lossie at the show. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, bro. I fuck with Lossie. Yeah, Lossie used to make a lot of plug-and-b shit too, but now he got his little, uh, the Sex and B shit or whatever, you know, that R&B sound.

That shit cool, too. I fuck with that. Yeah. I'm in a hotel. Y'all-A-M in a hotel. Y'all used to be my shit back in the day. You know that song? Bro, that.

Yeah, hell yeah. Of course I know that song. Yeah, you know what's going on. How often you record? Bro. Honestly, I record. I've been recording a lot when I'm out here. Like, but like when I'm home, bro, I'd be lazy as shit.

Like, I record like twice a month, like, to be honest. Like, I'll have like those little like, like weeks where like I'm really locked in and I'll make like five songs in a week type shit. But like, bro, I don't know how people record every day. Like I can never do that, bro. Like I lose so much. Like plug and bee can only go like so far, bro. It's like it only branches out. You know what I mean?

So far. So there's not like a lot of variations of it you can make if that makes sense. So like it's hard to find inspiration for like just that one genre that I'm. focusing on. Yeah, like when people tell me that they make five songs in a night that they're in the studio every night, it's like, I respect the work ethic and you might land on something dope doing that, but it's also like, unless you're really going out of your way to make shit different and switch it up, you're just kind of grinding out the same shit over and over. No, exactly. I spend like real time on every song. Like I spend like fucking weeks sometimes,

like just perfecting one song like the mix. Like I'm like, I'm such a perfectionist with that shit, bro. Like it's got to be like spot on like all that shit. Like, like, if we're, one bar is fucked up. Like, I'm gonna keep, you know what I mean? Going back. Is that why there's not that many songs on Love Sick? And are you counting that as an album? Because I seen you say, yeah, I mean, like, bro,

originally it was supposed to be an EP, but, like, people started, like, calling it an album. Sorry, just, like, I went with it. But, yeah, I don't know. I fuck with Love Sick, but, like, I definitely feel like this new music, I'm about to drop soon is about to be a lot better. Like, I got some, like, crazy shit on the way, for sure.

Do you think that Yeek can go aura for aura with Playboy Cardi? It's an interesting question. You wanna who would know the answer that Hyperpop Daily? That's good. That's where that's where you got to ask. We interviewed him and like I looked at his Instagram and like kept seeing the aura for orah shit. I'm like I can't wait to bring that up.

And then people on Twitter like there's a tweet like 20,000 likes roasting us for having aura for aura in the title. Yeah. And it's like obviously I would never say that if I wasn't talking to Hyperpop daily. But I've been thinking about oral a lot now. Yeah, you know, I watched the, bro. I watched the clip from the fucking interview. He was saying that shit a lot.

It's like a new thing. Before that, it was Ohio. He was saying Ohio a lot. Ohio, this, Ohio, that fucking Riz, Riz this, Riz that, you know what I mean? But now it's, now it's that shit. That's just funny as fuck.

There's a whole new wave of slang taking over the country. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You consider yourself a Sigma? What the fuck is that? It's like a badass dude, like the guy who gets all the girls and shit.

Hell yeah. Not mid. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know any of that fucking suburb. I feel like an old head. Just because I've been like in the like underground shit like I mean it sounds like

fucking tense like eight years I mean yeah I don't know I saw a TikTok that just had like all these different slang terms jammed together and I knew like 20% of them and it forced me to fucking have to go and just look up the rest of them because I was like I can't be having this like

all this new shit has happened all these new slang words I don't know because I really am genuinely an old head but I'm how old are you 40 that's all my dad is my dad's 40 Jesus Christ that's crazy that's scary that's crazy that's crazy you can be my son that's pride holy shit

who'd you like go to producers and shit like who do you producers? Yeah like Shit bro I put with Zangangang heavy Salam I don't know if you know that

He produced like fucking like 70% of my music He's a crazy producer Honestly bro Like majority of my songs are produced by like Solem Like that's like all the hits Like that people know

Except losing myself That's produced by Zangangang Gene Soaked is produced by um And that's Jay 2K. That's a really hard producer, bro. Jaylen is super fired, super talented person. A lot of my songs are produced by really underground producers too, bro.

Like, I don't really work with, like, any of these, like, bigger, you know what I mean? Like producers. So, yeah, they're all, like, in my little group type shit. We all be working with each other. How did you and solemnly link up? Was it, like, a on-on? Yeah, yeah. No, he sent me beats to my email, bro.

Like, I'd be periodically, like, going through my email and, like, listening to all the beats. People send me and, like, his shit just stood out, bro. Like that shit was so much different Like it was like bro he had like his own spin to it You know what I mean? Like it was plug and B but like it was different type shit So I feel like we like have somewhat developed our own like plug and B sound together bro Like it's not just plugging me it's a little bit different like you know like a like a shine and solemn type of song You know what I mean when you hear it

How much lean have you sit in your lifetime? I don't know I really don't know If I pulled out some lean right now would you drink it? No I honestly He's sober right now but like Good answer Yeah, no, I'm 100% sober, bro.

Like I said, I've had my fun with all that shit, and, yeah, I'm just not interested in anymore. Smoking, bro, like, as I've gotten older, like, it's just, it's made me, honestly, bro, like, more anxious. Like, like, in public settings. Like, when I was younger, bro, like, I love to be fried. Like, just, like, everywhere I go, just, like, smoking all day, like, doing nothing. But, like, honestly, bro, like, it lowered my creativity. Like, when I stopped smoking, like, I instantly had, like, a boost of creativity. Like, all this new music was being made type shit.

It's weird for me when I go to the skate park and I just see like 16 year old kids just smoking so much weed Well, that shit's fucking normal these days. Yeah, it's totally normal, but I just feel for him because it's like bro You're capping your like potential yeah Like it's just you don't want to be numbing your brain at such important years No, yeah, I definitely feel like it burnt me out for a little bit Your parents had to be aware of your drug usage somewhat right? Yeah, yeah, no they were I mean like they weren't aware of like The other like the psychedelics and shit like that like I didn't start telling my mom, like, what the fuck was going on with that until I was, like,

17, 18. Like, I was telling her, like, the shit I fucked with and all that. And, like, she, like, my mom is a smart person. Like, I think she knew the whole time, but, like, there's nothing she can really do about it. Like, there's only, like, a certain extent of parent can, like, go, you know what I mean? Like, yeah. Ain't that the truth. What about, like, in Minnesota?

Like, how's the love and, like, how are they perceiving you back home? Like, are they catching on to what's going on? Bro, surprisingly, like, a lot of people hit me up and they're, like, do a show in Minnesota. You know what I mean? Like I have a lot of fans there, I think. I didn't know that I had a lot of fans there. Like, I used to get a lot of hate there, bro. Like, a lot of people from, like, my middle schools and shit like that.

Like, yeah, they were just straight hate. But, like, now, like, yeah, it's crazy how the table's fucking turned. When you're young, doing anything outside the box is just going to make you get that fucking reaction from people, I feel like. Especially with my image, bro, like just being young, like white artists and all this shit. Like, yeah, people were just making a joke of it for real. Well, I was like a serious. Yeah, the pressure to stand out when you're in high school. and shit is, or to fit in

is like so intense. But meanwhile, like, as you get older, you kind of realize, like, oh, if you really want to, like, do something with yourself, you kind of need to figure out how to make yourself stand out, you know? Yeah, no, 100%, bro. Yeah. What are some things that you might want to clear up that people

on the internet think about you that's not true? Just like he thought you ate grass and that's not even a fucking a thing. Honestly, bro. I think, no, a lot of people have, like, created this, like, narrative that I'm, like, this 13-year-old, fucking drug addict like you know what I mean like that like all I do is just like do opiates and like all this crazy shit like I'm like I'm like I'm actually a smart

person like I'm not like cocky but like I just know my like self-worth you know to me like I know I'm a smart person and what I'm capable of doing so yeah it's probably the only thing I would clear up like I'm not a drug addict like right now at least so my boy Loshan is not on drugs for the people I'm sober right now yeah right now do you feel like the neck beard is part of your success 100% yeah so you got something it's like a sneaky beard where It's weird, right? You got to see it from the right angle to keep it.

Bro, it's like only coming in down here. Like, I'm just waiting, bro. I mean, the rest will come in for sure. No, yeah, it's going to come in yet. I'm going to keep it too. Have you been grown now, or is that just for no shaving? Yeah, yeah. I just, like, I don't find any, like, purpose in shaving it.

Like, I don't really care. Kind of, like, stands out now. That's a weird thing about being young is you just get, like, hair in, like, strange places. I remember being, like, eighth grade and having hell long nipple hair, but no hair on the rest of my chest. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know anything about that.

I'm not kidding either I feel like a lot of people have that maybe and I definitely I haven't experienced that one yet yeah no but with the facial area

though I mean like yeah when I do get a beard though I'm gonna keep it for sure I want to grow like a like your shit no kettle yeah yeah yeah shout out the beard

so like are you recording yourself nowadays for the most part yeah no I've never used an engineer I don't know yeah not even in LA because you know when you get to LA I go to the studio but I record myself

like I set up my computer and shit and like pull the mic you know what I mean by the computer and it's punch in yeah yeah so I was always been I don't I don't feel comfortable with someone else mixing my shit bro like I feel like my sound is so like unique like an engineer couldn't copy it type shit like my shit like does not fit studio standards bro so the whole love sick album is completely every album like every every every song I have on my sound cloud my fucking spotify all the shit it's like all you just written engineered by me like all that shit yeah mastered yeah That's hard.

You think the label's going to ever try to press you and getting like other people to step in and... No, not unless I sign like a fucking like a full label deal or something like that. Like with distribution deals, like full creative control type of shit, which is like the way I want it. It's the way I need it. Yeah. What's the plans for Lil Shan in the future?

Like, where do you want to be in next year at 2024? What's your goals? Fucking big-ass rap, really. I don't know. I mean, you're on your way. I'm like, yeah, I'm on my way, bro. It took a long fucking time. long time, long time coming type shit.

But, bro, like I said before, I want Plug-N-B to be like, you know, I want to push the Plug-N-B narrative, bro. Like, I want people to, like, recognize, like, you know, like how fucking cool of a genre of the shit is, bro, because the shit's really fire. I just think, like, not enough people know about it, bro. You got to respect somebody who goes hard for their genre above themselves because he's not even, like, talking about himself as much as he's saying,

like, no, I'm trying to put on for this fucking wave. Yeah, the whole thing, bro, not just me. Everyone that does this shit, bro. There's a lot of talented artists that don't get enough recognition with the plugin B shit, bro. Yeah, like Cory Lingo. It's one of them for sure. Name like two, three more, so everyone's watching. They might go tap in.

Yeah, y'all got to tap in with Cory Lingo, Lebsenon, and a young friendy. Like, all fire artists, bro. Like, it's just crazy. Like, yeah, the plug-and-be shit is so slept on. Like, really. Everyone's focused on the opium shit right now, bro. Like, opium this, opium, that's all I hear. But, like, I mean, I got nothing against it.

It's just, like, People need to branch out, you know what I mean? So if there was a Ken Carson show in your town, would you go? I don't go to shows. You don't? No. I mean, not now. I don't want to seem like a fan boy.

You don't even want to just like scope the vibe? See what's going on? I mean, I go, like, it was like some like personal cool shit where like I'm like chopping it up like the artist that's performing. But like on some like fan shit where I'm like just watching the show. And I'm like, I'm not going to go. Respect. Yeah.

Not even for like any of like OG artists and shit. Like maybe like artists not in your room. Like you want to go. to like a Drake show? No, no. I don't really listen to Drake. Yeah. I dig it.

Yeah. I mean, like if Michael Jackson was still alive, yeah. I'll go to a Michael Jackson show for show. I'll fuck with your obsession for Michael Jackson. Bro, because he's just like, yeah, he's such a big inspiration to me, bro, like, real shit. Why do you think you were so inspired? Was it the music? Was it the fashion?

Like, what drew you to Michael Jackson? I don't know, bro. I think it, like, just the melodies, bro. Like, I'm not going to lie. I can moonwalk, like. Oh, word. Real shit. Like, I can like.

You got to bust some moonwalk for us, man. I will. I got you. I used to be able to like really dance like him bro, like spot on. Like when I was a kid, like I was so obsessed with that shit, bro. Like I learned like his like stage performances like to a tee. Like I could like recite like a full concert of him like performing. Like yeah, perfectly.

Rap needs that. Yeah. I'm gonna start like busting out like all these like hidden talents for the internet. I just did like the cup stacking shit you saw that. I like stack cups. You know like speed stacking is I can stack cups like hell. hella fast. I did that shit they posted on Twitter that she went viral. How'd you learn that?

Uh, internet. Yeah. Seeing that shit, bro, like, found interest. I got a pretty good. Did you have, like, a bottle flipped phase? No, I definitely didn't have one of those, no. I'm trying to think of it. I mean, yeah, like, just to, like, play around with, yeah, but not, like, seriously.

The cup stacking shit, like, I really took serious. What's another hidden talent that no one knows that Lushon has? There's cup stacking. There's the, the moonwalk. Um. I don't know. I think that might be it. I mean, any sports? You play any sports? Oh, I mean, like, yeah, I played, like, basketball and football and shit when I was younger. Like, like, middle school type shit. I played basketball and football. But, like, I was never, like, fucking, like, crazy good at it or anything where I could, like, become, like, a professional athlete off doing the shit. I just did it, like, for fun.

There's no party that still kind of wants to skate and shit. That's just a... Yeah, no, yeah, no, that's another hidden talent. So I can really skate, bro. Like, I really was doing that shit. Like, that was, like, every day, like, go to school, like, right when I'm done, go to, like, skate park type shit with everyone. I definitely could still skate right now. Like, if I had a board, like, I could probably kick flu.

I mean, it's crazy seeing the rise of BLP kosher because he's probably the best skater. Bro, I was watching him. He's fucking cold, right? Super good. Yeah. You guys got to play skate. He was. Before him, people were talking about, like...

He would kill me, bro. He's like, he knows how to skate, skate, like... He's got real footage. Like, before him... They're talking about Rich the kid because he could like do a tray flip one time like I mean Yeah, P Coach I wonder how hard he still goes because he's still in there he's no Like there's no like going back like with the skating like that shit like that shit's like muscle memory bro like he probably could do that shit he literally still goes like to skate park here goes to like random city and em and oh yeah it probably does They go like make sure they hit his I was watching that shit bro he's fucking tell him would probably bring him on tour just to skate with him because I know some dudes who have been brought on tour with little wayne just to hang out at the skate park at night when the show's over I forgot little way

He could skate. I remember that. Yeah. I think his board still hasn't really, like, left the ground. He does, like, roll on grinds and shit, but, I mean, it's better than nothing. Yeah, yeah. That's funny. Okay.

Anything else that we should have hit? Are you still obsessed with strawberry milk? Strawberry milk? Oh, what was the brand? True moo? True moo? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I haven't drunk that shit in a long-ass time, but, like, there was a phase where, like, I would get fried and just, like, drink strawberry milk, brother. That shit was gas. Okay. Just makes me think about what my stomach would do if I drank a bunch of strawberry milk right now yeah definitely ended in yeah you only imagine yeah

for sure more uh what is ocean gang ocean gang yeah that's like cardier god's shit you know what you know what cardier god is that's like uh like reptilian club boys like that little like group that's like his like that's like his like group ocean gang i'm not part of it you weren't oh you know i was part of that reptilian club boys shit though

oh all right so that's where the yeah it's probably where like the question comes from like but like I've only seen like Ocean gang like that name like surfaced around like Cardi or God like that's like his shit like that's like I don't think there's anyone in it though besides like him and maybe like another producer but that's like his yeah you were in multiple groups before like the D1 then what else what other group were you in no it was it was literally just like D1 and then the reptilian club boys shit oh yeah it was literally just those too yeah but I was like for the RCB shit the Reptillion Club Boys it was like it was so brief Like, I wasn't really, like, in the group type shit.

Like, I was just, like, friends with, like, some of the members in there. We'd hang out and, like, the name, like, like, people started, like, automatically assuming that I was part of the group. And, like, yeah, they, yeah, the internet just automatically put that label on me. So, I don't know. I ran with it. Give me another little random, uh, random little Sean fact. A fact? Yeah, just a random.

Hmm. I don't know, bro. Honestly, bro, I'm smarter shit. That's literally just another fact. Like, on the computers, bro. Like, I'm so technological. Like, if I wasn't a rapper right now, like I would probably be doing something like tech related

or I become a doctor. Yeah, I was thinking about that. Like, I'd probably become a doctor. It seems like a very different skill set. Like, it definitely is. Just sit in medical school for like eight years and then be able to like fit into this super regimented lifestyle versus being a rapper where you kind of just get to like hang out.

Yeah, I feel like I don't know. I just like, I can always picture myself like being a doctor, like popping out on the doctor coat. You know what I mean? Like, it's just hard. Like, I feel like all the work would pay off. You ever listen to show. Shine, the rapper from the 90s?

Shine? That's your OG, yeah. S-H-Y-N-E. No, I didn't know. He stabbed somebody for Puffy. No, I thought, didn't Black Cray go by a little shine? You might be right. Yeah, I think he did.

Black Cray, I had a legendary Black Cray interview. Yeah, he's a fucking legend, too. Yeah. It's another one. Okay. Shut up, Black Cray. Black Cray got you in the rapper? Bro, like, partly, like, around that same time,

like, that I was introduced to plug shit, bro, like, Lil Tracy, Black Cray, like all that shit. it was surfacing. Like, that shit was a big inspiration, bro. I used to listen to hella Black Cray. Like, Black Cray's fucking a goat, no cow. Thanks. All right.

Appreciate you. A little shine. Thank you so much for your time. Yeah. Thank you so much, Adam. Tap in with my man. Thank you to Remo for the play. Sean in the building.

Let's go. I spill water on my jeans. Now my jeans soaked. Come on, man. Tell them. Little Shine. Remo. No jumper.

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