No Jumper - Lil Woody on Why He Told, Riding For the Dead, Rich Homie Quan, Gunna & More

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

Adam made the trip to ATL to sit down with Woody to catch up on all the latest situations he got himself into, plus talks about Wack, Young Thug, Gunna, Rich Homie Quan, and so much more! Follow Lil Woody on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/woody_selfm... ----- Promote Your Music with No Jumper - https://nojumper.com/pages/promo CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://nojumper.com NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. We're clocking in at 3.50. And we're officially in Atlanta. I'm with my man Remo. And we're having a conversation with the talk of the town, Lil Woody. I don't recall. How you feeling, bro? I'm feeling like money.

Yeah? Yeah, for real. It feels good. You're just running around picking up bags every day now? You see, I'm confused about it. I don't even know who the hell I'm picking up money from. Yeah, yeah. You double book today, right?

Hold on you damn shit. out there on the duck my damn pants oh it's because you got this crazy you got the crazy pants good now that's something stuck on me what kind of jeans what kind of jeans oh alababasas oh yeah you got the vallabasas well they need to start paying me yeah yeah you're rocking them dang in that pocket full too it's not empty i need y'all to fill them up yeah well it sucks everything's electronic now right it's still fill them up you would rather get paid in cash or via one of the payment apps. I already get paid.

Don't matter. Don't matter. Right. As long as I got it. You know, a lot of people when we're moving around here, the conversation is like, damn, how is Woody just moving

around the city becoming such a star so casually? Like, to what would you explain that? If people ask me, who am I? I'm just trying to figure out myself. So it's kind of confusing to you why people even want to?

Ain't that confusion about their money. Right. That's all I'm focused on. Right. But does it ever, surprise you that your presence in videos is almost like a guaranteed millions of views? To be honest, which I don't really pay no attention. I just collect the one. I don't want to know if you have a million views if somebody sent it to me. Right. So you don't do the follow-up work after the crazy viral 20 versus ones like the you're not interested to go read the comment section or anything like that?

I got I got any issue. So if I read the comments, there's people I will never see so I ain't no purpose me make myself mad for no reason right now I respect that for sure um okay so there's a lot of different ways that we could take this uh you want to start with a little bit of the early days let's start from the beginning where's the beginning you tell us all right so you born in olena right born and raised for sure mechanicsville right is in my face all right so break that down for people going from olena where is mechanicsville mechanicville by the old turning field zone three rap david avonet Not the other side.

Yeah. Yeah. Matt Daniel. Yeah, all the speech. I don't know. No, we're still trying to figure out, like, exactly what, what every different part of Atlanta is like. So would you say it's more of like a lower quality of life out there than like most of the spots we've been out in? Oh, you're trying to like how the community is?

Yeah, yeah. Tell me how's it about that. Oh, man. bed hood in the lima we gonna go get it what zone is that considered three oh that's on three yeah yeah yeah there's on three yeah yeah there coming up in the hood though you know we had people out there they they showed up how to get our own money right so so from day one that was always a consistent presence you were taught to hustle um not from day one but from when i got on my got on my

own yeah i had older people around me teach me how to get it yeah i know the ski low um we're gonna go get it. What do you think are like the main things that help turn you into the person that you are? Because I know you had 10 brothers and sisters, but that's one thing that young Dros said to me yesterday. He was like, if you're going to sit down with that man, fuck all the current shit, fuck all the drama or whatever. I want you to just find out what made that man who he really is. Who, um, losing my mom. At what age? Huh? What age? I was 17. Okay. Yeah, when she was died she died unexpectedly like she just died it was quick so it was like I felt like the hospital killed her and then I had a vendetta I guess you know the hospital and anybody who

pissed me up so they would draw me down the path that I took because I didn't care but I started care once I had my little girl which was in October I mean June 2014 so I was already like I had did so much stuff that my country It was at me. It was like, dang, I got beer for my child. So then my friend had just got killed. I ain't letting that go. So you feel like losing your mom made you lose some of your humanity

and then having a child brought a lot of it back? No, losing my mom made me feel like I was in the word by myself. It was just me. And I had a point in food. Can nobody tell me nothing? With that attitude, that was I did. I took to the street harder. It was already when I was a little kid, I grew up with my family.

I didn't hang with people in the neighborhood until when she died, then I started hanging with niggas in the neighborhood. Was your pops in your life? Yeah, but he died on 2000 when. I was standing born home at the time. He died for council, but the same night he died, he had a car rate. He flew out the window. Yeah, he died.

And you got 10 siblings? Yeah, I got six sisters and these four boys. How do you think that impacted you? What you mean? In terms of just like having that many different people around you, did it make you more responsible because you felt like you had to help take care of them? Or did it make you feel like you had to fight for attention from your parents? So when I took it to the street, I removed myself from my family.

I mean, like, I just stayed away. I hung out in the streets all the time. I had my grandma, you know, I mean, and my grandma were with me. Nobody couldn't control me, though. So, yeah. So where did you and your siblings live once you, lost your mom. So when my mama died, I had

stayed, started moving. I had moved with my oldest sister. She was staying in a banked head court, like the last little party they told her. When she died, that was like 08. And everybody had kind of scattered up.

But when my mom was alive, most of the time, we all stayed together. Yeah, and how's our relationship to this day? Who? Like your all your family? Well, I always feel like a special child because I have a, you know, a relationship with all my brothers and sisters. It's not one on that I don't get along with it.

I might not like them for some time, but the way I see them treat each other, I feel like going to special one because they all treat me with love. And they still all alive and around them? Hell yeah. All right, yeah, for sure. But is it weird for you to have gone from, like, I can assume, like, you were probably the dude in the family

who had the most criminal problems, and they looked at you as somebody who was in kind of like a fucked up state to now where, like, you're running around, you're, like, celebrity, you're making all this money and stuff. Like, is that change how you fit into the family? Well, I never even took time now to just pay attention to that. But, man, before all this stuff turned in my favor,

I was baking their mindset. Like, it's just me, you feel me? So, that's still my mindset now because I feel like a lot of people pick sides. You feel what I'm a lot of people jump to the conclusion. I'm a hustler, you feel like? I think the money is going to ever start. It's never going to stop with me. So when people feel like I ain't had the money that I was used to having,

I didn't benefit them. Family and all, so. Now with the situation, you know, I got a prayer heart, so I still going to help my family out. But when they come to people in the street, a lot of people trying to call me an effort for money now. I give a few of them on some money. I ain't going to lie.

But I really don't fault with these niggily. So. You feel like a lot of people turn it back on you? I don't give a fuck. But it's just like, they're trying to come back. That's what angered me. Like, stay with y'all at? Because I gave y'all the shirt off my back.

Can't nobody ever say they did more for me than I did for them. So when everybody's pit side, want to eat a nigga dick, eat that motherfucker. Stay where you at. For sure. Do you feel like you were somebody, were you more motivated by, like, doing things on behalf of your hood? Or do you feel like you were always, like, hustling selfishly when you were in your younger days? I just did things. I like to see people happen.

So I did stuff from my heart. Anytime, anything I ever did, was just because I wanted to do it. So, yeah, but I, after I went through the process, I felt like I was buying friends because I looked back on stuff I was doing. Like, damn, they were none of that one gym. You feel?

Like, inside of the people already know the risks that I don't talk. So it's like, are you? You couldn't say so. You can't hang out all alone. You know what I'm saying? But you know me. You know you don't want to piss me off.

So that's why I just leave these niggas alone because they piss me out. I promise you. They better hope, I mean, they cast. For sure. Okay, so what was the environment like at your mom's house growing up? Shit, it was 10 of us in the two-bedroom. And we had bunk beds, two bunk beds in one room. And my mom didn't play about her house.

So imagine a sparkly clean house. with 10 people trying to live in here and can't about to sleep in the living room. She wouldn't allow that? Yeah, no, she wouldn't allow that. Wow. So what kind of environment did that create for you where you had to be like super organized

but then also it was like everybody on top of each other? No, not. I thought it was a situation where you said you grew up in a trap house kind of. It was. All right, so it was a trap house. So Jacobs is a trap house. I didn't mean they dirty.

No, I'm not saying dirty though, but in the sense, though, you grew up around seeing that type of made you want to be a hustler? Nah, I felt like there wasn't my, yeah, there wasn't something that I like, I didn't, selling drawers was never going to be me. But the hustler ambitious was, like, how could I put this? I found a new hustling, we called a smash and grab. So that was my motto.

When did you figure that out? Some people taught me. And once I, once I learned that, they were better than, anything. Uh-huh. Yeah. What was it about selling drugs that you weren't attracted to?

I had love for the people that I seen buying it. I grew up with them. And I didn't judge them because the choices did they choose to make, but I wasn't going to poison them. So. Now, that's like a sign of intelligence, I think, because a lot of people are able to kind of, like,

sell drugs for a long time without necessarily thinking about the impact that's having on their own community. Right. So somebody that knows, I ain't going to say too much about this person, but somebody I know, his whole life was based off of hustling,

and now he lost, he don't, he don't want to do that anymore, but he lost now. He don't know how to get no money in no other way, because he don't did that for so long. And he's trying to change his life around, but it's hard for him to do anything else.

So. Who are the blue gene bandits? Me? Is it just you, or is it a squad? I'm only going to speak of myself like that. Yeah. But that was the smash and grab era They're what the news say

Yeah Are those fond memories Or is that a time that you look back on And you're like, damn, what was that doing? I stay reflecting on them Because it was fun We didn't know In the whole neighborhood

Going in and get their free money Yeah Politi chasing us They never scared of us We'll go get five-seat cars Because we want to polly the chase us Yeah You're like an adrenaline

And shit right? Yeah Yeah, because I seen you got a vlog You recently did where you was driving The Hellcats and shit Man, but they loved it Everywhere I go people bring up their video You know, it went viral and shit

So when did you start like Learning how to drive cars and shit Because it seemed like you woo-uping that shit Like fast and furious Yeah, I had like Probably like 20-some courage What do you blame for that? What do you mean?

I'm prepared So you know what I mean? Like I ain't scared So they're high That's how my driver skills got better. So when the police chase me, they cut the lights and sirens on and get close up on me. I don't panic. Because I know the police can't do what I can do.

He cared about it. I care about my life, too, but they're more scared than me. So I can't let myself think that I'm scared because I'm going to panic and do something stupid. So when you're in the high speed, it's all about just pure confidence and willingness to take extreme risks or what? No, it's just about. I got on high speed chase. and when I pulled over to get the police time

and get out of the car it's just how you do it you feel like I pulled over give him trying to get out and get out instead of me taking off I just busts you turn and go the other way he got to do the same thing

by the time he turned around I don't hit two three streets I'm out of the other it it's just the strategy that you put in it don't try to take them on the long high speed

because if I'm riding and he close behind me I know he don't want to see me on feet so I'm just going and get him the feet you're going to get me out of the car you ain't get him both of him

holy shit you ever got caught him on high speeds though never Never? I got caught on one high-speed chase My whole entire life Because everybody followed me

But I got away And it was on my birthday Damn, it was on your birthday What year was this? 2009 Oh yeah, it's early on Yeah So what's what's 30 deep

I hear you say that's like Your crew he was running with? This is my neighborhood That's the name of the neighborhood Yeah And that's the mechanics bit, right? For sure And you was in bone homes

because it ain't shot of low from out there yeah he's just right around when i was standing out there yeah yeah he had uh uklin truck whatever it was with big rims on there tvs out in yeah i grew up around a lot of people joe i mean right before joe got famous we was on cooper street together now i mean i just left at joe he's funny and cool the hell but yeah see like i watch him blow up the next day seeing him the day the next day he got them shoulder lean and all over the tv so seeing all the these people who are successful off music and everything, did that make you have that motivation to do something

in entertainment early on or were you still just solely focused on the streets? You didn't start rap until later, right? Yeah, but thaw made a believer out of us. Because, you know what I mean, we watched him for so long, tried, try, but we're like, man, after so long ago by you, like, man, give up. But when he made it, like, oh, damn, you can really make it. And then what really inspired me, though, was when I was in the feds,

and I heard a little baby on the radio. Like, I just, this nigga don't want them again. This nigga rabbit. And then, you know, see him go out of the way through the roof. It's just like, oh, wow, this, this real. How close were you to a little baby prior to him blowing up? I wasn't close to him. You know, I'd see him around, like, begging that time.

I wasn't friendly, so, you know, if I see you with us, I lock your face in and just know you with us. But I didn't really, like, I didn't really engage with him much. That was just, like, a survival mechanism that you learned to just like not get too friendly with people that you met? No, it's just, I grew up different in my neighborhood. I watched so much slime shit, like, from a little kid. So I just, I didn't embrace people from other neighborhoods.

So quick. You feel, but people from other neighborhoods show more love than the ones in your own neighborhood. But it took me a minute to realize that. Yeah, so when you start brushing out from your neighborhood? Like when you said you started like, When I started like... Just rotating around the city, like, all right, I'm gonna start kicking it with other people. My best friend got killed.

Man, I was doing so much stuff, and then I met some dudes that were like, man, we got your back. And then they start doing stuff. When they start doing stuff, that right there was enough for me because it's like, people taught that. But for somebody to actually ride for the dead, they mean more to me than anything. Because I see niggas, oh man, I love my niggie and your niggie dead. getting no strain. So as it has somebody tried to get to smoke about my friend. It meant a lot to me. So I started, I locked in with them and just so happened, they would lock them with a lot of other people from different hoods. That's crazy. I've heard that sentiment from a lot of people is that

when it comes time for revenge, that's when you really figure out what people are made of. Right. Because I be laughing at the internet. All these dudes who will be talking about me, I'd be laughed like, you got so much said about me, if you're a pint of got smoked. Oh, you got pumped out. But you're the same one trying to speak to me. You feel what I'm laughing. But can't about it. Anytime I am when my friend got smoked, I would death

in self of threat because I know they're watching me. You know what I mean? And Threat recently passed away? Is that? Because I've seen you posting it on your story just a couple weeks ago? Yeah. I don't even follow the story.

I ain't never asked somebody with habit to him or none because it's like I can't say I'm a change and then go back into that mindset. Dirt knew the life. I had a conversation with Threat before he died. And like, look, bro, you can't, J be out here doing what you're doing. You feel what I'm saying? Threat was a type of person.

He liked to intimidate people. Yeah. And then you put yourself in a hard way. I ain't trying to intimidate nobody. I'm going to tell you out there. Let me leave me alone. If I feel like I got intimidated you, we're going to go and get it out of the way. I'm going to let you know we got a problem.

So you feel like Threat had a whole much people scared of him. No, he did. Yeah. But he played with people. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't. Even though I don't want to skip to here. The only reason I'm going to bring this one up is because recently

you know your trial was going viral on the trial you said uh you and threat was sliding and y'all shot out rich homie quorn barbershop and that went viral yeah like rich hummus said i was in line yeah so what's your thoughts on rich homie quond passing yeah it's sad man it's sad rich i had a lot of potential you feel like he just made wrong choice in the past where could have that hurt his career and he didn't have to make their choice

but sometimes people got to learn how to stand up for themselves don't be intimidated by no group of people because them group of people man, they ain't known that for real you feel me?

They're a group of people I had to do it stay by itself he would have been successful and he would have been bigger than what he was but you don't feel like he had to pick sides it seems like a lot of people in Atlanta had to pick sides at one point or another

be you you feel like it's your life it's your heart you already made it you don't need what size it's my side

right now I'm telling nobody I feel about me I pick my own side if anybody wants to smoke be for real with me

but you wouldn't have been able to say that you were just going to be a lone wolf back then right I was I was doing

I always been on my own doing what I wanted to do people just tie me to why I see right you know what I

I mean, I was doing well. Otherwise, if you ever pay attention, I always, I'm from McCannibill. I go to what with whoever. From your perspective, though, what kind of person was Rich Hohman? Like, a lot of people right now are reflecting on his life and his legacy and everything. Rich Hone was a good person, man. Like I said, he was forced in a certain position. You feel?

I would never post him if I didn't feel he was a good person. You know what I mean? It's just like, you know, the page came in between everything. I had a whole conversation with him and you know he was telling me like he was telling me like certain stuff you feel I'm saying where it's like he wasn't running his he wasn't the ball wasn't in his court I guess he didn't know how big he was I don't know so because like from a fan perspective it felt like he was one of the biggest rappers and then shit just all of a sudden just turned off yeah because he's seen he pitted the wrong side yeah so you feel like all right so you're saying

So you saying that he was signed to think it's a game, and I know they hang out with while offending him. So you feel like that kind of hindered his career, him not being able to be as cool with Doug. He ended his career when he choose to go against Doug. But how did he choose to go against Doug? Oh, making that. All right, so there's two different things.

He said, yeah, all right, what's your perspective of him going against Thub? Because you know more. So he started going to shows and started talking about Doug. See, Thud was always, you know, rich home and my boy. Yeah. And then he went to saying told somebody Get away from me

Looking like a young thug And he went on stage All that it does Packing jokes on him a little bit Yeah Yeah And one thing about Anybody who knows

Thuth he got a great heart And you know him All that Missing him With all that other stuff That rainbow stuff Like that ain't him So when you go to speaking on him

Like that And he know you know him Yeah He just You know what I mean He just prefer to move His cell from him But was that

Was that rich homie Doing that Because little shit Was having him Behind the scenes So he had a reason to be mad Like, is dad barbershop being shot up?

Or that's, like, way before that he was just on their business shop. That barbershop don't have nothing to do with. Nothing. You know what I'm saying? That barbershop just on some bankheads type stuff. Yeah. Like I told, I grew up and born home, so. So he didn't have a, he ain't have a reason to go out and just go on stage and say that he was really just using sides.

So when the barbershop happened, Doug and Richelma was cool. All right. To be honest, that's how me and Thur got together. Yeah. So how did you mean? I guess he didn't get him. Through rich homie? Break it down again?

It's still an open case. Alright, for sure. Yeah, man. But, yeah, me and Thur, you know, he called me out of blue. Yeah. And, you know, we talked and this one, me and him, I always, you know, we already knew who each other was, but me and him never hung, hung, like, I just going in and house shoot ice.

My brother was ticked, slug, so we just, So we started going, they started to brain me around. And at the time, my best friend had got killed. So I was out there on some, who won't smoke? Yeah. Yeah. And who was Tick to you? How you meet Tick?

How y'all been rotating and shit? So I actually got real cool with Tick through my nigga Eia. Him and Tick was locked up in juvenile together. And they burned it. I was on there. I ain't hanging with nobody type of time. But when my best friend got killed, you know, and Tick was just, I don't know how we really just locked in, but we locked in and, shit,

it's been there ever since. Yeah. Yeah. So you and Tick still got like a relationship to this day, or? For sure. But, you know, I mean, due to his freedom, I mean, there's no communication with us. So, yeah, so, how do you feel with the jacket that's been labeled on, you know what I'm saying, with everybody, the interrogation videos leaked and everybody have this, uh, um,

have their way of thinking about you now and shit. Like, how do you take that? How do you feel about people who call me, labeling you a snitch? It's all, it's only on the internet. I haven't ran to one person. They said it to my face. And I ain't saying like on no gangster store. Like, I pray that nobody don't provoke me.

You feel what I'm saying? Because I ain't miss for nobody. I ain't looking for trouble. So if I see, if I'm out and somebody walk up and say I'm a snitch or whatever, I'm going to shut up, I'm a bus from one of the other. When did all, when did you actually have to start, like, going to the police station and they started contacting you. Yeah, what was that decision like?

Yeah, when was this decision? And, like, what year would you say? Like, they started really just, like, contacting me a lot? When it, you know, when they, when they, when they, when they search stuff to a place. Yeah. So after nut passed, that's when really there was on you. Because you got picked up that same day, right?

Now, they didn't pick me up. So, um, something happened and somebody called me, like, hey, the investigators wanted to talk to you. And I'm like, what are they going to talk to you for? You're not, man. He's one out of the talk to them? Yeah. But somebody else was like,

nah, you know what I mean? Whatever, whatever. So I went. And then this thing ain't know, they let me go, but they started, everybody in the London started saying, I did this. That's why I don't care.

Everybody in London said, I did this, I did this, I did this, I did that. They get kissed my ass. Y'all be talking. Everybody's, everybody's dry snitch. It wasn't. One person from Atlanta wasn't saying my name. So it's just like, y'all, the police out the real.

Fuck all, y'all. So you felt justified in talking to the cops because there were so many people talking in general? No, I didn't feel justified. My whole thing is get them off of me. So it wasn't being justified. I didn't believe in none of the stuff, but it's just certain stuff. Like, I ain't no fault guy. You feel what I'm saying?

And I'm not going to let nobody treat me. Like, I have an own independent mindset. I'm going to treat people how they treat me. So that's what really led up to a certain point. But you probably never in a million years thought that those The tapes would come out either right? Right, I knew they would Oh, you knew it would

Yeah, but I didn't think they'd be they'd make an arrest So what I'm saying? Anytime somebody talked to the police It's almost impossible that it's never going to come up You know what I'm saying So And I'm a type of person I'd ready to be prepared I think things too

So I'm gonna think about 10 steps ahead Just to be on the safe side in every which way but and all right so did any of your homies know because I've seen somewhere where I think Muntu he said that uh Doug actually advised you to go down there and talk to the police

that night because they said y'all we ain't got shit to do with nothing go talk to him that's what he said on the stand still an open case yeah yeah but he's not that's what he said on the wild cell trial

standing like the other day but that's what I just he said but I fear you on that yeah but I'm not going to speak on there because that's I don't recall Yeah, I feel it. So, yeah, early days, when did you start, like, really going to the studio and just being around the gods? Like, what year would you say? 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, it kept me at the screech.

It gave me something to do, it started being fun. So, I was around the time you started rapping as well. Right, this one I did, started. What made you even make that choice? you even make that choice after just being a dude in the streets for so long? So I was in jail and everybody knew who I would hang with like, man, you might wear a rap. You got a story to tell. So a dude, I would lock the way with.

They started seeing me down trying to show me how to rap, teach me. Then, you know, everybody act like on fire there. They'll cite me out. And I just really went for there. Yeah. When I got out, I had made a ditch track. I dish one of them on suckers over there. And everybody acted like they liked it.

So. You didn't really believe them? You sound skeptical of if they really liked it. Now, they liked it because we played in La Cora one day, and they played like three times, made me keep performing. And, you know, I was going out to people, you feel you, so. Well, you snout, because everything I said in the song was a great fact.

So, like, given that you were already, like, toying with the idea of doing the music thing, it must be kind of crazy to have such a level of fame with out the music thing being the primary thing driving it. Right. So a lot of people are trying to get me to do music, but, man, I was one of them kids growing up,

they listen to the music and hear, like, little Boosa had, like, I always bring a Bucer because, you know, Busa was my role model. Boosier had these songs talk about what he rapped about, and you could hear it in Bucer, and it made me want to do that. So when I just go out, well, Buses and the son, I want to try it.

Yeah, you said, mine in the many act, made you want to slide. Nah, I was sliding. There's a difference. Yeah. Yeah, these niggas want to do stuff. I'm doing it. I pull up at the club one weekend, back to back.

Friday and Saturday, out there, and the police went locking me up. So everybody said I did. The police went locking me up. It was rid of going to my head, psyching me out. I was just getting careless about what I did. Yeah, because I've seen that.

You said that y'all was somewhere and you trying to make an example out of somebody on stage in front of everybody but the gun jam. God, it's real, man. People don't understand. I just hear people tell their story and I don't want the people like, yo, whatever.

And it actually did it. And it did it. I gave it to you. And it did it on you. I'm in, the security got me and chicken when I'm going out the door. I'm watching you try to add a clue about.

And we're getting in the car. I'm cursing a nigga out. Man, boo. I hit the one to go down. He shot the gun in the air. Yeah. So it was that, your anger was that mad where you wanted to make an example

out of everybody in front of everybody you didn't care? Who's seeing it today? I got that attitude right now too, though. That's why I try to be peaceful. That's why I try to stay away from negativity because these boys be playing. You feel like, just leave me alone.

I've been through too much for y'all to be out here picking at me. And if you ain't for real, I'm telling you, I won't stop. But a lot of people have the thing in their head where before they do something that is essentially them crashing out, they will think for a moment

like, fuck, well, I don't want to go to jail for 20 years, so I'm going to not do this. Do you feel like you're kind of lacking that check on your behavior? No, I might get worship because all this stuff is irritating me. You feel my audience's attention. And when these boys, I see a lot of people trying to mention my name, hope I respond to them. And I'd be praying that they stop because I'm like, okay, I'm not running to you. You don't think you have the self-control to just see somebody who was hating on you and just let it go?

it depends on high field because we see you rolling up with like 10, 15 people today it feels like you've probably got enough checks and balances to be like no Woody it's not worth it like you gotta chill

there's got to be some people in this crew who are able to tell you that right some majority of the people you've seen what were the kids right well as a bunch of kids too yeah right so I had them kids with me because it's about them

and I can't lead showing that I want to be stupid you feel what I'm saying so I try to just show them where I was showed There is more to life, you feel me, so I discreet myself. The way, if you see it, I bowl every day,

I go out I spend money. Like, everybody's talking about me. I'm in the streets. I'm spending money. But so those kids are probably like 10 to 15, I would guess? Right. Are those people you know from the neighborhood? They're my nephews.

A couple of them from the neighborhood. But they, they group, you know what I mean? So. But having them around will make you stop doing some crash-out shit more so than having your homies who are just looking out for your business and trust and everything yeah because i focus my attention on them i try to figure out ways to make them happy make them you feel what i'm saying get alone and just teach them so that

when they grow up they ain't got to make the choices that i made and other people made because it's a cycle and the only way you break that cycle if you got to you got to school these kids and they all look up to me so like i had to show them man um the rules on the apply until they apply yeah because it's like in terms of the new generation of atlis There's like a lot of viral memes that be going around about, you know, rappers who are like crashouts who are kind of making that shit sound cool and their music and you see all these kids with the whippets and the drugs are getting crazier. Like what's your perspective on the new generation of kids out here? Like I tell them, I say a few people can be my, most people that make it in the industry, they made it because they was two feet in. they was not here

doing what they're talking about they see that other people do it and they rap about it everybody who try to be one feet in the one feet in the streets they're going to jail just look at them

and they're stupid because I mean the object is to make it out why would you go make it you on main screen and you still want to do stupid stuff so

I mean that's what a lot of people watching the trial and shit would say about somebody like that say that again That's what a lot of people watching the trial would say about somebody like thug. Really, this has been dead with him. I mean, there's some personal stuff with these people, man.

This is real personal. And it's draining. I mean, for real, for real. Do you still have to go back? Can they still call you back on the stand or are you done with it? Them people better leave me alone. That's what they better do. So as right now, you kind of don't with the trial?

I'm done. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm done. I ain't nothing he's talking about. I already told my lawyer I'm done. They caught me back. They're going to regret it. It feels like most of your time spent on the stand has been trying to make them regret calling you in there in the first place. Because they knew I lied. You feel like I can't speak on it, though.

You know what I mean? Because they be watching everything I do. They already, they just took my car the other day. And I wouldn't even driving. I was on the four wheel. They took your car. I had my manager driving my car while I go drop my four wheel off. So the police was on the side of me.

He didn't bother me. But when I went through the light, he noticed that the car behind me. He pulled the car over, snatched her out of the car, took her phone, locked her up for regularity driving and impounded the car, and said, was that Copeland? Nick, you got a problem with me, nigga, you should have put up on the side of me. You saw my face. I ain't had no helmet on. Why do you think they're talking to her in? Because it's me.

And I told her she got a lawsuit because you write them on camera. on north side drive. It's cameras that they're right like right here. You got proved that you went reckless driving. They're false imprisoning me. Girl, you better go get rich. I keep telling people, y'all need to learn the law, man. Because these people do stuff today every day. And if we don't push the issue, they're going to continue to do it. The lawsuit hustle is a real thing.

A lot of people out there getting rich off that shit. But it's a lot of people that could have a better life if they had somebody to tell them. Like, now, I knew. Police walk up and be like, him, snatch my hood, shirt up, tape hits my tattoo. That's a lawsuit. But I didn't know that at the time. So I'd be trying to tell my nephew and look, man.

If you walk in the street, the police pull up on you and say something, you just keep walking. They can't bother you. They only can't if you stop engaging in conversation with them. If they're not investigating a crime, they can't pull you over? What crime did you commit? I don't know.

I just feel like if I told the cops like, hell no, I'm not stopping to talk to you. that it probably wouldn't go that good. They could pull you over in a car. Why can't they pull you over walking down the street? Because you ain't doing nothing. Like, if you ain't broke no law,

they can't mess with you. Yeah, they're going to have to be able to claim like some kind of probable cause, I guess, right? Same way that they pull you over. They can't just pull you over for no reason. Exactly. But they do it because they know if people don't know the law, people don't want to push the issue.

Right. Can I just ask this? Was there anybody who influenced you or gave you any kind of advice about how to act on the stand? Because I feel like all these years of like, observing trials and shit that we never seen anybody take the route that you did. I didn't communicate with nobody just for that purpose.

I didn't open up and talk to nobody until I had got out of jail from pleading the field. Nobody never coached me or talked me about it because I don't even want to hear nothing about it. That whole situation, I didn't have that plan. You feel me? This is how I feel. Can't say much about it, but. wrong is wrong. You feel?

I'm just trying to correct my wrong. I mean, my wrong is right. You feel what I'm saying? What I did was wrong. And, you know, I just ask God for forgiveness for what I did. Can you talk about what actually happened in the ex parte meeting that y'all had? Because they, because, yeah, Brian Stee said that they took you out to court, Judge Glenville, Ms. Love and somebody else.

And y'all had an ex parte meeting that wasn't supposed to be. had and they were trying to like influence you to say certain shit I don't know what there was I just know the whole treatment was it was different it was scary because it's like damn I'm thinking I'm I'm thinking I'm in jail I'm thinking that I'm in I'm in good hands yeah but what I saw was something different you feel man it wasn't it wasn't thinking I was in good hands thinking I mean oh man something about it happened to me and I'm in the police because you so you can't talk about what was said during the meeting I don't think I can right now because it's an ongoing matter yeah but a lot of things

that was disgusted that it's crazy you see my attorney you was scared to speak up on what it was said yeah so I know I'd be a fool if I open my mind yeah all right can you say this what's your opinion on judge Glenville you feel like he's a cricket I'm not going to gonna call him cricket but i i think things got personal with him and that's what i meant by i was intimidated by him yeah yeah i was um because i seen it i didn't think there's a role of judge should play i never seen the judge be so involved in a situation as much as he was trying to be yeah yeah because they would do things like make you like just come down

to the station or come to the interrogation room where you'd be locked up and shit like they were applying a lot of pressure um man it's it's so much stuff that was going on because you have to understand choice so it's like what you call the self-preservation shit you know i mean because those people were doing stuff you're like how's y'all able to do this just explain to your lawyer like this what's going on it's just like man i don't know how it's You got no win with them. It's their game. It's their rules and all of that.

Yeah. So. Is that a party that wants to leave Atlanta and get out of this whole rat race? Yeah. Now it is. And the only reason it's like that because it's like I'm watching stuff. People are more jealous of who I am than the whole situation. They just mad as me.

And they know that I would hurt somebody in real life. I think that I'd be provoked. There's somebody that really don't want to do that to me, but they want to try to trick me out of the street. And I had went to Fort Laudder there about two weeks ago. And I was kicking out there with some kids called Logan, Whitewood. And I seen how they were living. They showed me that.

I was like, man, you know, I got to live like them. You feel you? Just being ducked off away from everything. But does that appeal to you? Because I feel like you could already be. in the crib not really having to be out and about being a man of the people but instead you'd rather be bopping around Atlanta hitting all these different spots and moving around with your team I had to discrep myself you know what I'm

saying because it's so much pressure on me and I it's my country's you feel me like because people don't understand y'all said I told so why I took police 10 years but I ain't into explaining myself I just let the dudes say what they want to say some shit you feel like you are because a lot A lot of people say that you, this is the thing they say on the internet, they say either would you be slow or what you're a genius? That's what they're saying. They're saying that you're spinning them and shit.

However the case is, either whatever you said. You feel like some shit you said in interrogation, you probably said a little too much, no interrogation rooms. Do you regret saying any of that? I'm free. Yeah. And I'm slow. All right.

And another thing is, like, because a lot of people would be looking at like, damn, like, how you're still moving around Atlanta, safe, like, you're still moving around Atlanta, safe, like, You don't fear for your life or anything? Hey, man. We live and they die. Whoever want to be stupid and come crash out on me, that's on them. You feel? They better succeed because they got family and they got people

that they care about it if I can't get them. Because that's for sure a conversation I've heard a lot of people having while we've been out here is like, how is Woody really moving around like this? I respect everybody. See, like I said, like how none is, right? I don't walk around just saying, FD niggas or FD niggas.

I respect y'all. I respect y'all. Even if somebody's mugging me, I just look at them, watch me, and go by my business. You know what I'm saying? Because, like I say, I grew up in a lot of hoods, and a lot of people in other hoods know how I get down, just like I know how they get down. And that's just it.

You know what I mean? I ain't looking for problems. That's why every time I get on an interview, I say, hey, don't bother me. You feel? I know. I know there's some people laying in the cut. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Everybody praying on something happened. I ask God, remove out, even for my path, and look what happened. Niggas is dropping dead. There's not a dish to every trauma, I'm just saying. They just, you know what I mean? That's all I do. I pray and I have faith in God.

But I assume there's a lot of people that you would probably enjoy shitting on publicly, but we don't really hear you do it. Because they are relevant. They haven't lived. They haven't walked their path I have. So it's like, I know how real things can get. and if I got a problem with you, I'm not going to shine no attention on it.

Yeah, that is kind of the crazy thing about a lot of the drill rapper type personas is that they basically end up glorifying their ops and turning their ops into celebrities. Because they're letting clout crash them out. I'm watching people that they're just like, you was good with me. I don't care.

But now you want to get clout. Now you better watch over your shoulder. Do you know what I'm saying? But I ain't living like that anymore. You feel? Like, I don't carry no guns, nothing. I really believe in God to the extent where

I just, because I know the police waiting. Everybody said, I'm snitching. I've been working with the police for 10 years. They're so stupid. Look how much time I spend in jail? Why do the police have they informing in jail? Y'all got to understand. People don't people don't, they just see stuff and just take it and run with it. Yeah.

They were saying that you, the police letting you do anything out here so they can get the, that's what they were saying on the internet. So I had to spend so many years in jail. Yeah. You feel? So it don't make sense. Like, police thought it was smart. I thought I was smart. When did they grant you full immunity?

Like, when did you start hearing about that? Man, what did you get me feeling? I don't want immunity. Because one thing I ain't able to do, I ain't got to self-incriminate myself. Yeah. I don't care what you said. We had heard you said a lot of crazy shit, though,

all right, you said, all right, on the stand, I heard you said that you got mad at thug and you almost killed him. I almost killed him. Oh, you wanted to kill him? I wanted to kill sitting there, too. Tell me. Why?

He's on the internet talking. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. That's the only YouTuber you ever felt like that about? He's the one who made... It's somebody on TikTok now, you know what I mean? But I ain't gonna shine no attention on him.

You know what I mean? Like, people just be talking, like you said, want to response. Yeah. But you ain't gonna get the right response you want out of me because I'm telling you come to Atlanta and you get caught lacking. Like, I ain't the ones who be just talking on the internet. Yeah. I'm gonna walk right up on you. But what happened with you?

on your thaw where you even felt like you wanted to kill that niggins like where y'all fell out of he wasn't like doing features for you and shit or no i wasn't not though was always a good person like yeah so that's why you ever see me like i get um because i were going through a lot i had a lot of wrong people in my ears you feel like and i just felt like me and her had a certain bun where i thought that it was both ways you feel what i'm saying but i didn't know what he was I didn't think about what he may have been going through. I was only thinking about myself. So, with peeping my ears, poisoning my mind, you feel

me? It was hard, especially with going to war. I had to go to war with so many times by myself. It was just like, it get tired. You feel me? Like, man, you ever get tired of you? Oh. I know y'all, because y'all ain't even like that. I don't know how y'all is, but I know you're freaky.

I'm not true I'm sure Yeah Yeah You get tired As they're going to war Yeah Nah I feel it

Freaky is fair Just don't say zesty I don't know if you got to say that I hear yet But freaky's better than zesdy Yeah It's the same ain't it So it's more so like

A thing you felt like He could have just been doing more for you Like what kind of poison was getting in your ear Um It wasn't about doing more I was doing for myself Like you know what I mean but, you know,

what you wanted from him in the sense? What was you getting in return that you felt like, damn? Be a man of your word. It's a conversation that we had, you feel him? And he always said this certain thing,

and I was like, okay, when the time presented, show it. And when the time presented, it was like, I was like, dang, you feel you feel like me? So now it's just like, the mind,

the survival mind kicked in. Yeah. You got to protect yourself. You got to, you got to, you got to do what you got to do because it's like I don't put so much into a certain, you know, I put so much into these where it's like, you feel me?

Where you're over, yeah. Well, all right, what was the word? What did he didn't do for you? Because you said, he told you he's going to do something and he just said, fuck it, he didn't do it. No, he didn't say after he didn't do it, it was just like, it ain't about what he, it just like, oh, oh, got cramps, the damn four-wheeler.

Like, for instance, right? Me and you, oh, okay. Hold up, you're trying to come up in my leg. I thought you were going to pull blick out. I was like, what's going on there? I'm a different person now, man. I'm just talking shit. No, cramps are the worst, though.

Yeah, they're especially, but they're trying to come in, too. But people can't probably tell, but these chairs are high up, so your legs are kind of sitting in like a weird position, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, they don't even touch the ground. Yeah, yeah. So for instant, right, if me and you're rocking, yeah.

If you fall short, I got to be there to help you lift up, you feel what I'm saying? Yeah. So you feel like there's a couple times he left you hanging. Boy, is it a financial hanging? Like financially? It just in a time of need. So if everyone with my friend go to jail, I'm making sure that they have lawyer paid and all of that.

So it won't have to be known of that. When they lock my manager, I call to the bun company. Can I pay out extra money to get her out? I'm on it. You feel what I'm saying? I didn't, I know he's a busy person, you feel I'm saying? but they just led up to me allow these poisons to get in my ear

and a fit, not mean what made her head going on. But wouldn't you feel like what year you got started falling out? Because it wasn't the thing where he started falling back from you because the niggas were saying what are telling, let me fall back.

So when people say he needed to tell him, right, and you know what's going on. You ain't stand what nobody's talking about because you know what's going on. Yeah. So I don't know whip point it got up to or whatever the case was because I got

mad, you feel what I'm saying? Because it's like I told you get tired of doing certain stuff. Yeah. And it's like man, it's still over the case, so I can't really just say it like how I want to, I like to be blunt. Yeah. You know what I know that y'all be on the police type of time.

So, yeah, I ain't. The fans will interpret it as they want to. Yeah, exactly. It's not really even matter what we think. They're the judge in the I ain't mess with them people. The fans? I thought you said feds.

No, no. Yeah, I ain't hanging. I'm just trying to stay free. Yeah. 100%. So how do you feel like, or how do you feel about Gunna in general and how do you feel about the reaction

that he's gone since he's been back out? It feels like people that mostly, maybe Atlanta and maybe the people around you are a little bit different, but it feels like with the fans and shit, they've largely just accepted him back. I admire Gunner because he didn't let this stuff destroy him. He didn't let it break him. He kept pushing forward. You know what I mean?

He had to show. He had to show people like he him. Everybody's so quick that criticized him and try to say that. But can't nobody in this case can't nobody come show no statement they're gonna make at any point. Can't nobody show that he sat down with the police at any time. Okay, that plea agreement or whatever, you know what I mean? Everybody who don't have a co-defendant don't play guilty to it. Nothing going to deal. using this trial. They're not going to say that, oh, well, going to play a guilty to

and why they sell a game. They never going to play none of that. I don't know where him and brother had going on. I don't get in other people's business. But I feel as in this their whole thing, the state is, if we can't convict them, we can destroy them.

That's why they're trying to expose everybody. When they lock other people up, you don't see them leaking out. Interrogation footage of them. You don't see them putting out discovery anytime any games get locked up they what they do to the game members they show everybody statements against each other but they kept they keep other people stuff on the reps like even if we're not going to be able to lock you up we're going to basically disrupt this organization one way

or another yeah and they and they and they're saying it's gonna destroy why it's yeah and i'm i'm 100% against that because it's like uh people came for nothing like you feel what I'm saying like um y'all gave certain people leverage when they have they've been in the worst situation than thug thug ain't thug ain't got no violence he didn't there's no record before this right and he didn't he didn't he not actually locked up a pushing the dead by not the car uh doing that to nobody you feel what i'm saying but y'all want to send him the prison 20 and 40 years but y'all let other people go so why is other people getting favoritism but it's no favoritism right here

and they're just something you something that's weird to me. Because they want him to be the top of the pyramid. They want everybody to tell on him so that there's nobody left for him to tell him. Man, I don't know, man, but I just pray that God continue to protect him. I mean, because at this point, it's crazy, you feel it?

I can understand. That's why I was so surprised. I wasn't on the case. You know what I mean? Because so many people mention my name, bring my name up. Y'all let all the violent people out. A lot of people say that you're not on the cases because you're like,

no one star witness and use it to help build it. But I'm slow. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. If I build a case, ain't no trial. I'm wood it. You feel it? Ain't no trial.

Everybody's trying to take the best deal they can get. Yeah. But the line and just trying to, you know, maneuver. You know what I mean? Like I said, get to the same point. You got to have an ace in your back pocket. You know what I mean? Just the fats are the fats.

and what the fat thing is not. Yeah, because there's a lot of stuff to this case. All right, one more thing that I've seen too was you was dating a police officer and she lost her job and all this behind it. You said you seen that. Yeah, that's true, right?

I knew this girl that I guess they were her job. Yeah. How did you meet her? I met her through another friend. Yeah. Police pussy hit different? crazy you gotta be thinking the whole

time like I've been living my life in fear of people who look like this I actually never seen her I seen her with her clothes on her uniform once I woke up on my shoe like what the hell she's like a whole other person

that's how you found out what she told you in the vents no I didn't I didn't find out like that I knew but you know like I said I had respect for her you know her job and all of that so I didn't interfere with it

so when every time I came around she had already had her regular clothes and stuff like that. I'd be trying to hit while she was wearing the police officer uniform. You see, you're not freaky enough. Now, it's not, it's not dead.

It's just, like I told you, when she had it known, I woke up, I was like, it scared me for real. So it's just like, you think something until you get it. You feel me? It's a little too real. Huh? There's a little too real. Brought back some bad memories.

No, he's just like. He had a couple of other ones. Oh shit What is your girl Situation since you've been out though There's probably a lot of opportunities Man There's so many girls out to me man

And it's scary though Because these girls are crazy as hell I don't want no girl that are attracted to me Because you gotta be crazy You ain't crack any from the 20 of you once No What? Because you've been running it up

There's some talent in there Yeah but I just think They're like I don't know man I want a girl. I want a girl that I can say, this is mine. Not none, I admit, on 20 versus 1. You know what I'm saying?

So if she's on 20 versus 1, she already used up? Now, I ain't going to say she used up, but it's just like you do that. It's a different if a female just can't. I can't on here only just to try to be in the facility with you. Well, I can not mean. But it's just like these girls come up here, it could be anybody up there.

And then most of them, they come for their check. So they get paid to come do that But when I've been doing These girls, they be in their feelings So that's why I don't really be wanting to do it no more Because I don't be wanting to hurt their feelings Wait, you think that they're really trying to find love with you Yeah

Wow The last one I went like eight girls tried to leave with me Yeah I said y'all must tell you a high road I get them back in, I'm out of the dough But you're just not trying to fuck A random girls that you met in a white room My life ain't my life ain't right

For me to be in a relationship right now So, and I ain't trying to play with nobody Or play on no female And then like that I would think that the relationship Would be the only thing That would be making you not fuck the random Girls from the 20 verse 1

Say it again Like, I would for sure Be fucking all the girls from the 20 versus 1 Unless I'm in a relationship And then maybe I could like have the stoicism To say no to him That's why I call you freaking But I feel like most men here would agree

Man, you let a man hit your wife man I know how you feel about that? That's the white people activities. Yeah. You're letting me eat your girl? Puffy was hiring male porn stars to fuck his girl. Who will? Puffy.

He did it? Yeah. Look who you're talking about. I know. It's not a good example, but I'm just saying there are black people who do this. I don't think he's black at this point. Oh, come on. That's black excellence right there.

Who? Did he? I'm saying, I love Diddy. I mean, I don't believe everything I see on the internet. You feel? I'm saying, but I'm just saying, like. I ain't letting nobody here, my girl. My girl can't even...

Man, I wish you were entertained somebody. He could have you. Believe it or not, though, that's the strength of our relationship that we felt comfortable doing that. But how you sleep at night knowing, like, she had this black thing up in her? Fine. I don't even think about it. And you kiss her and everything.

Yeah, of course. And you're crazy, man. You're crazy. So you're willing to make all these bags doing the 20 versus ones. Is there a number? another bag that would be bigger that would get you in the porn game? Man, they've been going crazy because they seem on their fan bus.

Yeah, you're just on the bus. Man, none of these girls like, man, forget the 21, they're going to make the only fan. See? That's a possibility for you. Man, I'd be scared. Man, these girls catch feelings too quick, man. On a porn set? That's like the number one place where I don't think they're going to catch feelings.

You're at them. Right, but I mean, all the girls who do porn, they know what it is. You think you'd get stage fright? Who? You? Man, no. I've seen better men than you not be able to perform on camera. Like, people who do this for a living.

See, that's why I call you freaky. He already starting. I'm just saying it. A lot of guys can't do it in a room full of people. I won't be doing it in a room full of people either. Well, it's got to be like a couple of cameramen and shit. Make camera woman. That is a good idea.

Why don't you like Wack 100? I don't, I don't dish. I just don't like for people to speak on me. Y'all don't know me. They caught me a killer. But it came to my name, two people I killed. I mean, one person I killed. I mean, when you talk to people behind the scenes,

that that's like a big part of the conversation is like, let's talk about who we think would he did it to. But see, Watt is in L.A. He needs to mind L.A. business. You feel? I never seen Wack a day in my life. You know, Brick, baby. You know, everybody has heard of him.

You feel what I'm saying? Stenig has. My grandma was. house was right across the street from him. I mean, so I don't mind him speaking on the land of beating him because he's here with us. Man, all the thing I hear about what is he laying in the bed.

I think butt naked or something. Yeah, but you don't get out the shower and lay down on your bed naked before you get dressed? Why are you on camera? It was a girl that he was fucking with who took that photo. Yeah, she snuck of family. He's freaking like you. No, not like me.

How many times you watched it? probably seven or eight times but uh no but then that same girl lied and said that she put three fingers in his ass how you know she lied you tried my OG would never your OG would never

yeah yeah that's my guy now I don't got anything to get sweat though you know what I just don't like I just don't like no because I don't know for me to be speaking bad on him or speaking on him period yeah I don't know nothing going on with YSL

but if you became like a lifelong podcaster at some point you're gonna end up in a situation where you have to talk about other people's legal drama and other shit that they got going on. That's kind of the position of waxing. He talks about L.A. shit all the time. But if there's a big trial going on in Atlanta, he's probably going to end up talking about that too.

Right. But that's why I won't be no podcast. Because, I mean, I ain't trying to be getting it and other people being this. That's why the 20 verse one thing is so crazy. Because it creates an environment for somebody like you to make content. People go crazy for it. But it doesn't have to be about your street shit or whatever drama you've had in the past. Because I really have an issue with even coming on here speaking because why is y'all putting street shit on these type of platform?

Then I don't watch one. Two, three people don't live and got locked up for murder and stuff. Let's show how it's where we are when we get on here and just go to talk about things that we should just keep where it was. But I've interviewed a lot of people who got picked up for murder at some point afterwards, but it's almost never like they said anything in the interview that. I ain't blaming on it. I ain't say that if I choose to sit right here and. say some incriminating stuff that's my fault i ain't saying that because like i said you ain't got to

answer where they're questions you asked so i ain't blaming y'all but i'm just saying that hud's say that they screech and they get on these platforms they go to drach snitch they're my whole issue with this whole situation everybody drashnish on me i could read the comments right now they're gonna say how will you saying that shit but then you went in an interrogation video and said those shit you said i'm free yeah but what's the difference though i'm free that's the difference my my plan worked it um What is y'all talking about? Y'all got to be slurdy me.

I'm on the street. And I ain't bragging like I'm happy that people in jail or anything. But I'm slow, though. What's your thoughts on YSel Mando? Because he had a whole bunch of say. Who? Yssel Mundo. Who is that?

So you, you ain't seen him around? You seen what he said recently, though. Who is YSF Mendo? Well, he was claiming to be around from when YSEL was founded. He was around back in the day. Well, I'm from Cannesville. Yeah. So you ain't ever seen him in the studio or anything?

I don't think I ever seen him a day in my life. Yeah. So for him to be trying to speak on me, if he is, he just joined the line. Yeah. What was your relationship with people like Olai Player and like Bloody Jay back in the day? I don't really know Olai Player. I heard of him. I've probably been around him a few times.

And what you said? And then Bloody Jay. because he's somebody I seen Thug around Like early on there was like a vlog with him Rocko Ola like they were all in the hood So you know Blutter Jay was out there in the midst He was out in the streets and stuff like that

Yeah I guess Oh yeah yeah yeah So he was nobody you was kicking it with back in the day I'm saying you know Howe Lennon made you know we not We all right people You feel what I said You respect you respect you

Back then before all these other stuff Start happening That's how we all rocked So that's why it was okay for us go in other people in neighborhoods and kick with other people and do this and do that because it's it's just the respect you give and blood of jay he was hot he was blood i don't know if he still is or whatever but everybody rocking this or if you blood won't care where you're from what hood you is that's how he was until they started divided you feel yeah yeah and pause for a second

another 25 to make it a full hour and a half i thought it would be an hour oh i thought it was supposed to be Two hours. I thought I'm going to be two hours. I got some more questions, though. Some good shit, then. So what you just say? Well, he was trying to say we got to wrap it up, but I thought we were doing a full two hours. So what you were trying to do now?

Anywhere between an hour and a half and two hours is cool. How much you're trying to pay? Well, what we already paid? That's an hour. So what did you ask for? 20 more minutes. All right, they do it. Cool.

All right, well, listen, stay away for those questions y'all trying to go around. And we're not doing the mechanics business. Because that's extra fun. But y'all have to follow him in the hood. That's two. That's too personal. Going to Mechanicsville? I mean, I don't care where we'd vlog.

We were just supposed to go out and do some shit. You're only paying for this. No, the deal was this ending. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got to tell you this. You talk all that? I want to take them to Mechanivis. Okay.

This on me. That's on me. This on me. I've got to tell you. Okay, that's cool. Cool. All right, cool. But you gotta have access to that footage.

When they go to the Mechanics, girl, you gotta have access to that footage. Oh, yeah, we'll send you a draft to make sure you cool with it. Yeah, we don't want to show any. If you realize, don't give a fuck by none of that. Yeah, but now you're right, though, my bad. I first told you that.

They're my fault. Because they could turn that into a, I'm saying, this is the truth. They could turn that to a whole documentary on you. That could be a whole, this interview could be one project and them going to Mechanistville and all the other shit. That could be fucking $100,000. That's a whole other situation. I'm explaining, I'm explaining.

You're right. I'm explaining to you my mindset. Okay, cool. You feel what I just wanted to put that out there. All right. Yeah. Like I said, I'm explaining. You got it.

Yeah. You got you. Did you ever feel worried when Thug would put your name in certain songs? Or was that always just like you were hyped on it? Did I feel worried? Only one time I was just like, what the hell? In half time? I can't remember what song it was.

You said something about what are you going to pop at your noggin? What about it? Did that worry you at all or were you just complimented? It wasn't true, so I didn't. I didn't really think much on it. Definitely. You said earlier you're like don't put thugs name in anything Rainbow but do you feel like he kind of like pushed it up to the limit of like trying to like almost tempt people into doing that with like the dress shit and everything I don't know because if a person gonna do it they already had in their mind anyway

You feel me so he was smart but I just me saying that was basically off People that knows him you know what I'm saying I heard him say out his mouth did he was real offended about somebody who knew him call him gay. So it was just like, it offended him to a whole other level. And I just didn't know that's something that he don't like. Yeah, like your friend's saying it is so different

than the comment section saying it. Right, because it's like, everybody, like, for instance, you know, oh, we're snitching, we're the snitching. Yeah, I don't know me. So it don't matter. Yeah, it don't matter. But somebody you know, say, you're going to fill it with.

If somebody who I know said, it's just like, okay, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, is good, be like. So what was your thoughts? song when you seen Thurrward of dressing shit I never seen a way that's the craziest thing to me yeah I never seen her wear no weird nothing that he posted on social media and we could be together I still didn't see when he was headed on you ain't seen on the album cover this that's what I'm saying I think I

was in jailed he had to see the album cover at least by now I was in jail when he saw but I'm saying in person like when we was together I never seen him dressing like this not one single time but even if you ain't seen in person you ain't ever just like what you what you're doing with this like he or he told you was a marketing play like you go around though it It doesn't matter what he do this in that nature, you're going to know, like, yeah, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't, because his whole, his whole demeanor is just let you know, like, he's smart and creative. I mean, be real, like, when you're just hanging out around the house, you're just going to be wearing fucking sweatpants and jeans of regular shit. And then if you go do, like, a crazy photo shoot for an album cover or whatever, that's when you're going to put on, like, a tux or a weird outfit.

It's like, that's when the stylist is bringing you clothes. And I feel like the thug is like That was probably where that came from But you want to know what? I interviewed him in 2019 And he hadn't done an interview For mad years before that And he said in the interview

When I brought up the dress thing He was like, I had to I had to hide the stick And I remember just being like What the fuck? Like that sounds so crazy And then he puts out the album And that's one of the lyrics on the album

And I'm like, what the fuck? That's crazy Like previewed the lyrics From the album during the interview That was hype I was a fan of time I was crazy I understand what he means about it

I mean, yeah, it still kind of don't make any sense, right? I used to ask him sometimes, like, what did you say? You know what? It sounds cool in a song, but it's like... But then, you know what? You do see it in Chicago. There's, like, been some killers who would, like, pull up in women's clothes so that they could get their guy.

Get away with it. That's some of that shit. You better be smart about it. Yeah. I mean. Did you ever hear the rumors? Because, like, recently there was rumors that they said, Nutt was dating Fonnie Willis or had a relationship with her.

Did you ever see the... those rumors or do you know anything about that? Oh, I seen the rumors that I don't know what Nutt was doing with his personal life. Yeah. Like I said, our rumors ain't, it's rumor. Yeah. So, but something going on. Yeah.

So it could be a possibility? Oh, I don't know. You know, none of everybody, I know everybody. Yeah. So I don't know what it's going on with his situation. What was your relationship with Nutt before things went, where it went? Like, did you know him personally? Yeah.

I knew him. Yeah. on him. Yeah. I wasn't like friends or anything. He was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was cool. Because they say a lot of the drama shit happening is because you got jumped at club crucial and that's when a whole bunch of shit just... Somebody put your hands on you? What you'll do?

You just said you weren't like that early though. Which one is it? I'm just saying I feel where you're coming from as a street nigger? Somebody put their hands on you like... So if somebody put their hands on you, you're not claiming to be a scrutiny, right? He's going to call me. And what you're going to do, get free? Yeah, I got multiple signs to my personality. Come on. Man, first, so I ain't for you to let you just do anything to me.

You know what I'm saying? I'm going to defend myself. Right. And this is coming from a civilian, right? Yeah. But they say because you stole nuts chain and shit. I don't steal. Yeah, so yeah, because there's rumors they're saying that you broke in the nut car,

stole some money and chains and shit. But the door was unlocked. I saw it wasn't really no breaking. It was just... I'm just... You ask me a question. I'm answering. Yeah.

But now. No, I have respect for Nutt. I mean, like, if an opportunity to present itself, anybody going to take it, you know what I mean? Did you know it was Nutt's jury? I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about.

No, I feel it. Because it's another thing because, like, Nutt brother Shelfale, his name gets mentioned all the time in the Wassel Trough. He did a song recently where he had, like, put your old. like interrogation shit at the beginning of that shit. So is he a big part of like the beef and shit?

You know, anytime you put interrogation, are you speaking on me or you just putting me, you're putting more attention on me. Everybody chase the clout, you feel what I'm saying? And making people want to figure out who I am in, who am I? If I'm this snitch, why y'all so focused on me? If I'm these, whatever y'all want me to be, clearly I'm more than what y'all trying to make a scene like it is.

Because y'all, everybody wants to put me in videos and get attention with it like I want. That same boat who, made that son. You know what I did? I made some girls beat him up in real life. Like these boys be playing. They know not to play with me. In real life, many females beat him up. Shut up. Not that boy. That's my other video.

How many girls are... That boy been popped. I ain't got a hole in me. So if you can hit up, go get some smoke, bro. You hear me? Yeah. Yeah, man. So that's why I be mentioning people. Like, hey, man, the boy got bullet holes in him. Don't forget that. A lot of real ones got bullet holes in them. make them real because they got bullet holes him no I'm just saying okay they're real and they have been shot yeah fool now I mean but you can't respect somebody who's been shot

I don't I don't disrespect him I'm just saying bro you've been pop you been hit up so all they talk of you doing you for the bench stop dead do some you've been shot you've been shot so you think if you got shot you would move around differently and have a different level of human being shot at I've been shot at a lot I move how I move you think I'm like why you think they missed every time. God is good. Yeah, because you had the one situation where you had your baby in your hand and you shot back at them. And what was that on my way to?

The hospital, right? Yeah, you was on your... Hmm. Think I'm neckin if you want. Who take a... I went taking no gun to no hospital, but I'm just saying. Yeah. But the dude who shot at you, he had been over your house two weeks before?

No, it's kept. That's not true? Yeah, it's kept. That boy ain't anything to do with me getting set it. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's part of the lies I was telling. So I tried mislead the police. So if Elder did something to me, and I know Adam did it, I'm going to put it off on him.

So 12, we look for him. Why, I go get my get back on Adam? You feel what I'm saying? But the police played a dirty game. All they were, they feel like they could tie me to much bigger stuff. So what they do is try to leak this out. So it now it can turn people against me so now I can just bat down to them. I don't care how nobody think of you with me.

I live the real life. I don't deal the fate. I'm not pretending. So that's how they played up. What was that actually like Lincoln with Charleston? Why you guys seem like you hit it off perfectly? I had a lot of respect for him. I just watched the interviews, you know, on YouTube and stuff.

This is the way he talked. But it's seen now, he's like, he's doing the interviews and I don't like him. You feel him? Like, he gets on the internet, somebody, I'm a killer, and all of it. Like, damn, bro. Like, me, you don't talk about none of this stuff. about none of this stuff you're going to do on these platforms. Like my respect for you, I'm losing it because it's like, dang, I got real genuine love for you.

I thought that you had that same thing for me. But you want to get on these platforms and say, I'm a killer. And I walk around Atlanta, like, you're trying to provoke it. Like, even with the bussy, boosin don't respond back to the woods. I ain't trying to have problems. I ain't out here trying to mess with nobody. I ain't trying to have beef with nobody. I don't did that for, like, too many years of my life.

You know what I mean? I'm trying to move forward with it. And I ain't trying to be dragged into nothing because I know how I can get. And you plan. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, and like I said, I didn't expect you to be doing this.

You feel me? Because the respect I had, I put you so high up in my, you know what I'm saying? I don't respect people that much. So he kind of hurt my feeling with doing the interviews speaking on my situation.

You know what I mean? I ain't proud of this stuff. I ain't proud of none of this stuff I went through. So if you were sitting down with Busy on a podcast, what would you want to ask him? You said, Bucie? Yeah. What you mean?

Like, what would be the most interesting thing for you to ask him about what he said about you and what he puts out there about you? You said Bucet or Charles White? Charleston what? I was talking about Bucie because you just brought him up, but I guess Charleston, too. Oh. Well, Charleston White was the one who said those stuff where you lost respect to him. Right, but you're saying that he lost respect for Bucie for talking about him.

No, I didn't, not, because they, you know, I mean, who don't expect Bucer to react? You know what I don't care how Boussa Bucer look at me Charles White look at me and none of them you know what I'm saying I only care about the respect I have for people

you know what I'm saying so I didn't lose respect for Bucer because he said something I would have said something if you're provoking me to but I don't want I don't like that Charles White are putting me in

a certain light and I didn't expect him to do that to me because all that I've been through how did you make that there's a list that had like the top 10 most dangerous people in Georgia.

You don't feel my energy? Yeah. That's how I made it. So when you've seen that shit, it made a lot of people just feel how this preconceived? It surprised me when I seen it. But it ain't really like,

it ain't how they try to make it be. You know what I'm saying? I'm not a top violent defendant because if I was, I'd be up under the jail. They're just another way of they just try to paint a bag image of me out there.

What's your relationship like with Dolly White nowadays? I know y'all used to be real cool. I don't speak to nobody because the simple fact is I just don't care to kick it. I don't have anything against nobody, not even share care. So if anybody got smoked with me or mad with me, they could shoot me in the head or they can leave me alone. You did say that you feel like the police purposely put out the interrogation videos and shit? And did. They did?

Yeah. It don't take a rocket science. I told you people think I'm stupid. And before they lost, I'll tell you, you play a fool to catch one. What was the moment when you seen that viral video, when you checked your post, the niggas was, because that's the day when it

really went viral, there's like, that nigga went crazy in the interrogation room. So why is it a trial? Why they interview never been played in the trial? So you have to understand. If you, if you watch me in the trial, you see this is my personality. You think I didn't know they were recording me in them?

Look at the stuff. If I'm saying somebody for the die, right, and I'm going to jail. Yeah. Why did nobody, why did the club didn't get shot up? Because I was making it all up. So that's why they try to put it out there, expose me. I didn't care. Yeah.

It's a different when you, you somebody just around, seeing what's going on. You're somebody that's getting at it. How long you did in prison, like, how many years of your life you feel like you spent the prison anyway? So, all together. From 2012, I got out of my birthday. I got out a month after my birthday. So from 2012, 2013, I did 13 months. From 2015 to 2019, I did 51 months.

From 2020 to 21, I did 14 months. From 21 to 23, I did 16 months. Damn. So this is like the long as you've been out in the minute, right? Just as long as I've been out since my mom with dad. Damn. So when everybody said, I've been working with police for 10, 15 years, stupid, I've been in jail.

Do y'all research on me? Y'all want to know everything about me. It's on the internet. Explain the jail conditions, too, because I heard you said it was bad over there. Which one? Rice Street. Rice County. Rice Street.

Right Street. Yeah, right around the corner. You're actually right around the corner from it. Yeah, it's bad for people that's really nobody. When I mean by nobody, I'm saying, like, don't have their support system. But living-wise, it was bad for me because they put me in and protect the question. I guess my will. I mean,

because a lot of the people knew my family, you feel it? So they prefer and they knew other people so they prefer to keep me away so that I wouldn't be getting caught up in other stuff. So a lot of the people there

were trying to keep me out of stuff but having me locked down 23 hours a day and then sometimes 24 they're just different type of crazea there. You would have way rather just been around normal people out there?

in the jail. Yeah. Right. Because when I'm in the door, like people are saying all this, you know what I'm in the door, man, everybody wants to chill and kick it. You feel what I'm saying?

But I have been in, like, a dorm with the enemies. You feel what? I got junk to him. But I didn't get on their door. You feel what I mean? What do you mean by that? So I got a tour with one of my ups.

But he really went on the up, you feel what I'm saying? He got some help. But I was, He was a part of something and, you know, we were getting into it, but now he got two, three more people to come to help him, and then he wanted to pump his chest out. But it's a matter of fire.

I should have to do what I had to do to him before he got the help. But one day I was asleep, they came and woke me up and get on the door. I like, let me get out of the bed. They wouldn't let me get out of the bed. I punched him in the mother. Long story, so I punched him in the mouth, and let him beat me up and still stayed in them. Then after they beat me up, I waited on one under split up.

They stayed in their group. The first one walked out of their group when he got on the phone, I went over there and snuck him. and beat them up in the day room because, like I said, numbers, these game members, they want to hide. I'm beating them up in the day room the same ones, y'all, y'all jumped me in the room.

Why y'all ain't jumped me in the day room? Because they're scary. Y'all ran about the police like y'all love getting caught for. I beat them up in the day room. They took me on to the hole. They took, they took on the dude I jumped onto the hole and the dudes they jumped on me because they wind the whole camera back.

But I ain't care. Would you say you're scared of going back to jail? So I plead the fifth. So you dislike being in there But would you say you live in fear of it I plead the fear of and I was willing to sit in jail two years So what you tell me I told you came pay attention to the comments

Pay attention to where it comes out my mouth Definitely We always end up having this conversation on the podcast Like are the streets dead Like Would you advise a young person to even be into that way of life Because a lot of people say with all the internet shit And all the normalized

telling and all the, you know, securities, the cameras everywhere. So if you're looking at the streets, right, the streets repeats itself. The same dummies are dummies. The same gangsters are gangsters. So that's why I had to realize the discrete rules

are not to apply to fools. You right here, you got to live your life how you want to live it. Remember how somebody's view you or think of you? That's stupid. Like you said, y'all up here, y'all are doing podcasts, y'all interviewing street niggas y'all paying street niggas come on here and talk about their

business so like like i tell my nephew now man listen man don't get caught up in their street stuff do what's beneficial to you uh make better the choices for you don't don't let nobody encourage you to go do nothing stupid if you got to go do something somebody go by yourself because there's on where i'm free um all this stuff right here man people people i I see people do something to you all the time. You do something bad. They go, even though they don't go tell, they go, hey, man, he did this and here

so that work get out in the street. Oh, man, please, man. I ain't standing streets. I'm living. I got one life. I'm going to live there more. Yeah. How are you taking to this newfound fame that you got?

I know you're fucking with it. Yeah, because the love is crazy. Like, man, girls be jumping out the car. You walking through the mall, people stopping you? And they all won't hugs. Y' up. You feel me? It ain't.

And I need that. because I'd be on the verge of crashing. Yeah. I mean, like, because people, they, sometimes people get to me. Especially people, they'd be doing like $400 interview. Yeah. You feel me?

I give you that, just watch my car. You know, boy. People would be trying to get an interview for 400 bucks? Not for me. But from people that really need it. That was a Y-Sel Mando reference. Clearly. I heard him say that.

That's what they offered him. Oh, so, now that was funny. Yeah, because it's like, I get on the internet. Like, I'm being trod. I ain't even respond back to nobody. So why, why my, because I got mad at you. You posted something to say,

I responded back to money, though. I didn't respond back to money, though. So, like I said, that nudge makes it difficult for me to post on the internet because I'm not entertained no negativity. You feel me? Like, it's no secret on my side.

If anybody want problems with me, they could DM me and be like, hey, punk-ass, nigga, where you at? I'm going to say, all right, here, wherever I'm at. Bring your bad ass over here. I don't care about the police catching me or doing nothing to me.

You ever did anger management? Damn, bro, I seen anger? No, you said you have anger. Man, you definitely be, you said you can get there, but you said you got anger problems. So, like, how you deal with your anger problems? We ain't really seen the angry side of you, but we didn't see the angry side of you.

This is the angry side. You seem capable of it. That's why I keep discreet to myself. Really? Because if I don't discreet myself, I've been at, I wouldn't cause a lot of chaos. Right. Because I don't done it for years by myself.

Yeah. And let everybody just take credit for it. Did you go through a phase of you getting fucked up? to deal with shit like that or you're just not into it what you mean did drugs alcohol whatever no anybody tell you I don't do no drugs I never appealed to you huh it just never appealed to you my uncle being poison so like I said I lay there by thing I'm stupid I'm okay with it respect um so what's next for Woody like besides the trial and all that after all this is over like what do you want in the future whatever God got in stores for me

I just wake up and just follow the process with whatever help God lay it out in front of me. I believe in God with all my heart. I trust in. And that's just it. Yeah, you go to church every Sunday because you hit me this morning said you was at church. I tried. I walked out today, though, because we had a sister to a preacher and he went to mind nothing. Yeah.

Yeah. Is this the same church you've been going to for a minute? Yeah, man. I got to ask my preacher why he went down. He should let me know. Yeah. Yeah. I had them with me.

I've been taking people from the neighborhood. Every weekend I try to take somebody different. I mean, everybody invited. You a celebrity in the church, too? I tell people, don't start acting different towards me because you'll push me away. I'm already about to go back into my shell. I mean, because I don't like people treating me like,

I want to be treated equal. You feel what I'm saying? That's why I take pictures with people. And I tell, like, one dude, I just had almost do it to him. No, you're chasing a clout, bro. The first boy took my picture and acted like he knew where I stayed. If anybody with my address, I was glad to give it to them.

But another boy just made a video. He would put me in and I'm laughing. But he'd go behind my back and whispered something out. We took his phone. Little boy, you get yourself hurt playing with me. Don't let this internet play with. Don't tell you y'all, this end of his left. Don't do that.

And that boy, he didn't want to. He thought I was playing with him. Hey, boy, you feel to get yourself hurt right here on his camera. At this store. And took his phone, delete that video of his phone. and told him going by the bin and don't come back around his area. Don't care where he's there.

People need to stop playing on me like on somebody to play with. I keep telling them, like I don't bend in them situations where I had to take it there and I would take it there and I would not think twice about it. I would go home and sleep peaceful as hell

like ain't nothing happen. So how you deal with all the new fame because sometimes you never know who's looking at you because you got a whole bunch of people coming up to you to take pictures and shit and make you sometimes like, damn, who are these people looking at me? No, not really because I look at the eyes.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And like I said, If anybody want to cause me in the pain or harm, you know, I can't prevent it. I'm not going to run from it. What was that the other day? They invited you to a college to speak? Yes.

That was in Texas. Therogood martial school. Man, it was amazing, man. The college girl, good gracious. They got them. So you never went to college or anything? No, and I'm ready to go back out. I didn't even want to leave.

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's why we were asking people yesterday why there's so many fine-looking women. around Atlanta and that was one of the reasons why is like there's so many colleges and colleges and mostly women so there's just like a higher percentage out here man you wouldn't believe me I show my my neighborhood I post on social media every day I get flared down by people that don't drove to this area looking for me I'd be like oh I gotta stop posting like this the thing

because I got I drop my location in a heartbeat and fans are actually pulling up I'm just like, dang, they bring their kids and everything. They be flagging me down. So if you're posts up on a random blog and you'll just post it on social media, because I'll always wait until we leave. No, I post like, you see, I just post it in the park. Right. Once I take a picture, I post it right in and in there.

It ain't me trying to provoke nobody to pull up and that like that, but what I'm waiting to leave for? I'm still right here. That's why a lot of people pull up so quickly pull up because they know I'm still there. For sure. What are the main things you want to accomplish with your life? I want to

I want to see us do better as a race and people, you feel what I'm saying? So if I can help, you know, make people open their eyes and learn how to embrace each other, they mean more to me than anything. Are you voting? Can you vote? Because I know, I can't remember her name,

but I guess Fannie Willis, the lady who's competing against her on the Republican side, she said if she gets elected, she's going to drop the wires to trial. immediately. What's your thoughts on that? Yeah, I highly doubt you could do that, right? Right. I started out of this stuff.

You see what? Because like I said, our votes really don't matter. Yeah. You know, I don't believe in the voting system at all. This is like with the president, the popularity vote always go to the person they lose. What's the purpose of everybody voting then? I don't know how it works. I don't care about it. Anybody can be the president. I don't care.

But you call it cap? You don't think shit? She would drop it if she was elected. Because you have to understand. People say anything to get in their position. And what are they doing when they get in that position? Give you their ass kiss. What's your thoughts on Ms. Love? His love?

What you mean. Isn't she the prosecutor of one of them? You've seen 1001 Dimitia. Yeah, Ms. Dauph? Carrella DeVille. That's funny. All right. Woody, thank you for your time.

Appreciate you, man. Legendary. I can understand why you're so in demand for interviews as we sit here because it's just something like, you just never know what the fuck this guy's going to say. It's amazing. And I'd be holding back. Yeah. Because I know so many people watching waiting on me to slip up, say the wrong thing.

I bet your interviews are going to be quite different a few years from now too. Once you're a little bit more free with what you can say. I can't wait to dispose everything that deep people don't dead. Damn. So we've got to do part two in the future. Woody. No Jumper. Coolest podcast.

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