No Jumper - Lush vs Brandon Debate on Race, Gangs & Hip Hop

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

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What's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? People be coming at you live and direct. We got a special one for y'all today, man. Lush pulled up. He said he need all the smoke. He'd taken any competitors.

And, of course, Brandon, aka Uncle Ruck, his fan favorite, going for rookie of the year. He said he's taking on smoke. So we got a array of topics. They're going to go at it. Match intellect. Because, Brandon, you just came off a debate. Clean sweep, by the way. Which was actually supposed to be a one-on-one.

And it turned into a chat GPT. and a less intelligent white supremac versus you. Let's see what you and you and Luskipu. So, okay. We got a real white supremacist in the building. Yeah, yeah. Obviously, obviously Booty Bear smoked boots on that debate. Like, it's undeatable.

Boogie came out swinging. He, like, but then again, you're dealing with somebody who's intellectually inferior to you. And Adam 22 wasn't really helping his case. So you, so I faced the white supremacist. supremacy soldier. Now, this is the white supremacy master. I got nothing to do. I'm not a white supremacies. But you, but you can to run the back page, right? Yeah, he running the back page for the white foot. Hell not. Our fade was already set up. This is what, this is the back pay that I'm running for the entirety of no jumper. Oh, because. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doing this for no jumper.

Because you came over here, right? And I thought, hey, this is a great, talented new podcaster. He's showing a lot of promise. I'm going to let him cook. You feel me? I didn't realize that he had an agenda of destroying systematically each member of the no jumper cast until he could go back home to

Long Beach to you guys and be like, yeah, I just ran a one-man train on the entire fucking squad and displayed my intellectual superiority. I was like damn, I didn't even realize we was catching a page. Shout out to Long Beach. Hey, look, before we get into the topics,

we're going to give y'all, let's say, like minutes to go back and forth. Y'all can't be going on for 10, 15 minutes trying to get your point across. Let's ping pong it back and forth. First person to throw an insult in a debate typically loses, but, man, fuck all that. We just going to go by the street. Yeah, yeah. Do whatever you could.

I can roast as good. You feel what I'm? But before we start, let me introduce bro. We got my boy Messiah over here. Go ahead and let the people know who you is, man. LBC Messiah are great, man. Y'all know what time it is. And this is going to be a good one for y'all, man.

Because let's say he got the intellectual side. We know where Brandon coming from. He's shooting from the hip. So we're going to see what's up today. I mean, Brandon against his own people. Turing the sheet hate this fool. You feel me? He reps FBI.

And like literally the poster child, the star, the cornerstone of FBA movement. You had a lawsuit against, bro. You feel me? You had a whole, you had a whole issue with him. So you feel me? You said, I'll rep FBI? You're not, you don't rep FBA? I don't rep that.

You're not a foundational black American. That's ignorant. That's a cult. That ain't no damn identity. That ain't no lineage. But you was rocking with that for a long time. I was never rocking with that. But then why was you an orbiter of treating the sheet for so long?

Because FBA is a divisive movement among black Americans to separate ourselves from black continentals, African continentals and Caribbean people. Pan Africans. All this would be pan-African. But it's basically like, you know how you have like Asians? there's Japanese, Cambodian, Vietnamese. Okay. But when they all come to America, they're all categorized as Asian.

Well, a lot of them are categorized to Pacific Islanders as well. Asian slash Pacific Islanders. So you're already down one point. No, I'm not down. No, because it's Asian Pacific Islander. But if you really knew the culture like you think you do, a Pacific Islander is like a Samoan, a Tongan, they don't consider themselves to be Asian.

Correct. They all exist within the Pacific Islanders. Pacific Ocean, but they are different. Even genetically. That's why I corrected you when you said that all of them are categorized as Asians. No, but Asians. Continental Asians. And then there's a difference.

Cambodians, Vietnamese, Chinese, they really have no genetic difference. Well, hold on. You said Japanese, Cambodians, and Chinese have no genetic differences. Not really. No. You're 1,000% wrong. So first of all, Cambodia is, they have way more similar genetically with Vietnamese. Okay.

who are significantly darker in appearance, have... That would be phenotypically. Phenotically. Can you explain the difference between those things? Phenotype is the look, the appearance. Genetics are determined by genetics, but your genetics determine your phenotype. Phenotype is not necessarily... Their genetics do play a role in phenotype, but a lot of phenotype can be determined

by just your geography. You, exactly, and you would have been a lot more on point if you would have said Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese... No, what do you mean? You're like literally mislabeling an entire race. I'm using this. They're completely different. There's only one race.

There's only one race, the human race. Okay. We're going to stop with your ethnicities. Ethnicities. Right. Like Kendrick said, Fiskew as ethnicity. But, however, if you know anything about Japanese people, they're probably amongst the most racist people in the world. Okay, that's true.

Okay. And they believe that they're ethnocentric. Correct. Thank you for Korea. Okay. No, no, that's a better term. They're the most ethnocentric and believe in the superiority of their own people more than any others. They have a hierarchy.

And Cambodians are very, very low. Like similar to the way Europeans had the caste system back in the day. The Japanese have a similar outlook amongst different Asian ethnicities. Cambodians are not even remotely similar. Why wouldn't, if you go into a question real quick. do you believe that thinking that you and your race is superior is racist? Because the first word you used was racist. So your ideology to that way of thinking had to be, okay, that makes you racist.

I think that it's difficult for any race to be quote unquote racist other than the one that's had that systematically oppressing the rest of the races of the world. So by definition, racism is pretty much only applies to white people. in my opinion. However, prejudice has no color. Okay, let me get back to my point I was making. So basically the FBI stuff is calling for the separation of African Americans within the United States, meaning the black Americans or the descendants of slaves. Ados.

Ados should be separate, their own category, separate from black Caribbean, black continental Africans, or American, you know, those people who have come over to America. Pan-Africans, we don't believe in that. We believe all black people should stick together and work together for our own, our collective empowerment. Okay. So, so if you really fuck with black people, you can understand why someone like me can't

rock with that division because it's always divide and conquer. That's what it makes sense. So Tareka is working for the white man and he's an agent and he is attempting to use divide and conquer tactics to weaken the black community within the United States. Wouldn't Tariq argue that he's actually pushing for the advancement of the black people in the United States and you are an agent of chaos that has been unleashed upon the FBI movement to try to make them, like he kind of had the same argument about you. Tariq has been grifting black people for decades, 20 years or more.

He stands to profit off the division. We know that because Tariq entered into the ADOS movement, American Descendant of Slaves. He co-opted that movement. He fractured that movement under this guise that he was going to be able to help African Americans or descendants of slaves get reparations. Once he splintered that group, profited off that group, right? then he changed it to

I'm not the leader so you're giving the name FBI which he stole from Dr. Claude Anderson you're giving the name FBI you copyright the name FBI

you give the guidelines for what is or is not an FBI and then when people ask you well where's all the stuff you said you were going to deliver to us you say well I'm not the leader What were the promises that he said he would help them get reparations? He literally said, I'm going to show you how to get reparations.

Do you believe in reparations? No. Why is that? I don't believe reparations ever going to happen. Do I think black people deserve to be compensated for the work that was done for free, the free labor from slavery? Yeah. Yeah, you should get some type of reparative justice for that.

Do I believe black people forfeited that when they agreed to the civil rights agreement? I also believe that. So you can't tell somebody we want money from you or reparations from you. Then go in and say, well, we want to have this situation where we're all equal and no one's better than anyone and have like a brotherly bond. And then later on, when that doesn't work, come back and say, oh, yeah, but what about that money you owe us or that we want it before? It's just literally buyer's remorse. It's retroactive justice. That's a crazy way to look at it.

Buyer's remorse. We want it to be with why. More like Steelers remorse. So let me ask you all one thing. So with this Tariq Nishid, they say he just founded the Black Museum. Do you feel like that was beneficial for us? Will he still be considered, what do you say? Not an agent of chaos, but somebody that's against the culture or is that somebody pushing for the culture?

It's not a museum. So what is it? It's just a comedy lounge at this point because that's all I ever see happening there. It's closed every single day, all day long. They have hours of operation listed. they're never open during those hours. On top of that, I think it's 11 to 4 Monday through Friday.

We go over there right now. It's close. What's your thoughts on reparations? I think there should definitely be reparations. I don't know what the process of actually achieving it looks like or how that affects the actual economy and things like that. But there definitely needs to be amendments made for the wrongs that were done. 1,000%.

But these people don't want, they don't want, they don't want, They don't want reparations in the sense of repairing the damage caused by slavery. These people want money. So whenever you try to get them, whenever you ask them about, like, actual things that could be done to help repair the harm done, they're like, oh, we don't care about that. Just cut the check. They got a little slogan that says cut the check. And if you try to discuss reparations outside of that with them, they don't even. want to entertain your conversation.

On top of that, they don't even have a number. For example, if you say I owe you money, right? The number one thing you need to do is determine how much money I owe you. And it's pretty difficult to quantify when you're talking about transit lending slave trade, right? Exactly. So what was done during slavery was

generational harm. Right. So you need generational repair. How is me giving you a check of an undisclosed amount that you haven't even calculated going to help black people going forward when you're saying, when if I tell you, why don't we put this into like black education? Why don't we create scholarships or economic infrastructure?

You say, no, I don't want to do none of that. I just want to check. Again, I don't have a problem with the methodology of how it's dispersed or anything, but I definitely think it needs to exist. But what's the amount? They were $17 trillion. Well, I'm not mad at that either. But what I want you to see, what I want you all to see is this, though.

That's a good number. This is the reason why. I feel like he had an agenda with coming over to no jumper because he, this was a big dude in the FBI movement. He's over there pushing the line in all the conversations, showing up to rallies, super involved in Tariq Nishis dealing to the point where you, I mean, you admittedly showed up to his spot because you were concerned that it was being vandalized, right? No. But that's what you said. That's not why I should. But I have you on a lie of saying that right now.

I showed up to the spot because people from. outside of California, asked me to go by because Tariq was collecting donations saying that he was up against white supremacists who were vandalizing his property.

Right. So black people coming together, right? And this is why a lot of black people don't like to donate to shit now. Because a lot of times it ends up not being what people claimed it was. So they asked me to go check as someone who's in this area. I went to check

everything I talked to the person was a tenant there. The white lady. The white lady. She was Mexican. And when I talked to her and posted it, people said, wait a minute. Tarreek was supposed to be opened up a museum. How was this lady saying that he just extended her lease until the following year? And that caused him to get blowback.

And he got mad and he sued me and tried to file a race straight order against me. I never sued Tarita. No, I understand. I understand that. I think both of y'all made a great. point because y'all blew past the reparations i still was processing what both of y'all was saying i think both of y'all have a point i think money definitely has to be involved because money was directly stolen and taken from the black community that's just a fact they actually have numbers on how much was

stolen i'm not going to say strictly from the transatlantic trade slave and all of that but i mean like through taxes alone they estimated about 15 trillion just from tax money stolen not to mention that the money that they invested in certain banks, and then the banks go belly up, and all of a sudden we out of money. So to sit here and be mad at the black culture for wanting money that is rightfully owed to them that was stolen would be idiotic to say,

you guys are crazy to want. Call at your boy. But his point to the infrastructure also does have to be rebuilt as well because that is another systemic obstacle that's invisible to most of the world if you don't have to face it. but it is something that's real. So I think both parts have to play,

come into effect when we're talking about reparations. Not just money, because most niggas is just going to blow the money. But some people say, so what? You got the money. That's your reparation. That's your get back.

If you blow it, that's on you. But I'm with you, too. Like, there does need to be some type of infrastructure built. I just think most people look at it in the sense. It's like, well, since we ain't getting nothing, you need to start somewhere. So start here with the money.

Like you said, now to keep that going from future generations, what you said has to be put in the place. I just think most people are just like, well, y'all need to start here before y'all do anything else. All that trying to rebuild for years down the line. Start with the money. Then we can worry about rebuilding and doing everything else. Like if I owe you money, Brandon, right?

Let's say I owe you 20 bands, right? And I've been ducking you for a long ass time. And then I'm like, you, if I keep in you like, oh, Brandon, I'm going to pay you soon. You ain't going to take anything I say seriously. You're going to want to beat my ass, right? but then one day I shoot you two bands you feel me and I'm like hey I'm gonna work on figuring out the rest but just so you know I'm serious boom right you're probably gonna uh you're probably gonna be a little

more receptive to whatever solution I have to offer correct yeah but but here's the thing is it's not that's not an accurate you know description of what's going on for one if you had kept your economy separate that's why you heard me say desegregation is the worst thing that happen to black people because once you desegregated you eliminated a lot of your claim to that stuff and the reason I say that is because

if you still had your separate black economy and your separate white economy it would be much easier to say you owe me this pay me this amount over this amount of time but once you integrate it which black people did willingly wanted to do it went and fought and marched

and this is what we want right white people finally said all right y'all out there going crazy. What do y'all want? Wait a minute. But how does this have to do with reparations, though? I'm explaining it to you. Because that is completely. I'm explaining it to you. When Johnson, Lyndon B. Johnson.

As black folks. Okay, y'all out here marching and fighting all that. You're getting bit bit by dogs, water hosings. America's on your side. What do you want? Did black people say, we want reparations, we want money, we want repair for slavery? No, black people said we want equality.

Well, right. So we saw what we did was... Again, is a step towards the inevitable goal. No. What you did was you forfeited the reparations to get equality so you could be looked at as equal to a white person in the United States. Here's the thing. When you say that's a good start, it's not even a start because black people have yet to determine a number. And you can't say $17 trillion because, one, if they gave you that at once, that would bankrupt the country. Hyperinflation will make us all broke.

We would have our money would be worthless. Two, you got a bunch of Americans paying taxes who never owned a single slave. They didn't even come to America to 20, 30 years ago. Right. How are you going to convince them to allow their taxes to be raised so that they could pay a bunch of black people reparations? No one's gone for that crap. But obviously America says the pace for the global economy, yes or no? Okay. So obviously, black people in other regions and other parts of the world are still affected by what happens here.

Okay. But no, I think you're missing my point. America is way too diverse and there's way too many different types and groups of people. Way too much mixing blacks and whites having babies. Mexicans and blacks having babies. All this, we're all mixed up. if you give black people reparations, that means the United States government has to levy a tax, raise taxes to finance that, especially $17 trillion. Correct. So you're not going to, we're in democracy, whether black people like this or not, you're a part of a republic that is ruled by representation. It's a, it's a republic with a democratic system of election. This is a long way of saying you don't believe that black people deserve more money about what happened.

No, this is very much. No. No, I'm wrong. Hold on. Let me say what I'm saying. It's not a long-winded way. You're trying to run past my point because you don't have an argument for it. You have many different races here now. How are you going to levy attacks against them for what whites, old blacks,

especially when black people willingly integrated into this situation? It's not about, it's not, it's not about other people being deprioritized. It's about making right, whatever. happened what white people and the United States did to black people. But they don't want to pay for that. That has nothing to do with it. You're saying they don't even deserve it. Because this, at the beginning you asked me, I say, do they deserve it?

I say, yes, it's not feasible because those people, whether they agree with blacks or not, they never own slaves. That is why reparations unanimously, if you look at the polls, 95% of Americans do not agree were reparations because I don't know about the accuracy of that. Okay, well, look it up. And I think if you looked within the black community, those statistics would be very different.

They can only look in the black community, but there's Asian communities, Hispanic communities, white communities. There's all these communities. You hate Mexicans. I don't hate Mexicans. We're talking about black reparations, right? So everybody else's opinion on that is low-key irrelevant. No, it's not because they got a vote to pass it.

But so you're, but I understand you speaking on like the unfeasibility of it, which I agree with. I have to vote to pass reparations into law. If all these people be like, hell no, that means those politicians that represent them, see, this is the issue. You guys don't want to accept that we live in America. Representatives are the ones who vote on what gets passed and not. If the people who y'all say don't matter, because that's just a lazy way of approaching it, if they don't matter, why would they ever allow their representative to vote for you to get reparations?

I think you're arguing two different things, though. Because you asked him, does he believe in, like, cash reparations, right? Like money. I think that's where the debate was, not really so much, how are we going to make it happen, how much? Correct. It was really, do you agree, blacks are owed cash reparations? Everything else could be ironed out later. And I'll say that I think that was the original topic of the debate.

Correct. And I'll say that all Pan-Africans should be privy to that, not just a victim's slay. African-Americans support reparations. Like, we believe that reparations. are old. I feel like you turf hop, though. We do not believe reparations will be, we don't believe that's a hill

that we should be trying to, we should be dying. But you hood hopped from, you was FBI gang or don't bang. I was never in the FBI. But you was, no, you was though. Like, you got to acknowledge a reality because you're pushing the line.

You're a Tarik Nasheed orbiter for a long time. I was never a Tarik Nishit Orbiter. I literally stopped talking about Tariq on my channel because I was like, I don't want it to become like a Tariq Nishishish hate channel. Are you sure it wasn't the Bucci Bear Ethering? When Tariq sued me and tried to put a restraining order on me, obviously it forced me to talk about him because he was suing me.

Once that was over, even after the Bucci Bear stuff, I stopped talking about Tariq. Listen, I'm a journalist. Because he smoked you and ran you about the scene, then you had to turf hop to Pan-Africanism. No, I was a Pan-African way before I even had any involvement with Tariq. Because I've seen you pushing Ados ideology before. you feel on me. You've never seen me.

I have. You know what I mean? Like, look, bro, I can pull up different, um, I mean, like,

sure, but I can pull up different Twitter spaces right now. Give me an example of something that I said. Something that you said that. That was pro FBA A DAS. I mean, like a lot.

Just give me one thing. Can you give one example? Let me think of an example. I would say that the best is, off top, you just being in the Tariq Nasheed community and pushing his,

line and your whole entire vibe switched from being a staunch supporter. I was never a supporter. So you were an antagonist the whole time. The FDA hates me. But they didn't always hate it. They've always hated me. And when did this start? Since the very first video I made about ADOS.

Okay. Because I made a video about ADOS saying that they weren't going to vote Democrat if they didn't get reparations on the table. And the Democrats, all you now. said, we are not going to give you reparations. Every Democrat candidate, this was in 2016 when Trump, no. Hillary versus Trump. They all said, no, this was actually in 2020, right before, yeah, it was 2020 before Biden beat Trump.

Every presidential candidate on the Democrat side said, we are not going to even consider reparations, except for one lady, Marianne Williamson. You know what the, you know what the ADOS leaders, told those people at that conference, they say, you know what we're going to do? Because they don't want to talk about reparations. Well, we're going to vote down ballot. And then Antonio Morelien's over and says, Democrat. So I said, how are you going to make the Democrats

consider giving you reparations when they said they're not going to do it and you're still voting for them? So essentially, you're always just an agent of chaos in the, in the ADOS slash Black Foundation. Hold on. Let's close out the reparations, right? Y'all both made some points. I'm in agreeance with you. We're old reparations, but

the money that they owe us was taking in blood. So unless you're going to take it in blood back, you're not getting it. Trying to ask and beg for it and put it up for vote in a country where the minority and everybody's programmed to hate us anyway, we know it's going to get voted down. So I always

tell people, if you're not willing to do what it takes to get it the way they got it, you're not getting it. Trying to go, please give me reparations. They fucked you over already. You're actually the same people who put you in this position, essentially, to help you out of it. It's not going to happen.

So we could close off on that because this is going to be a circular. Unless you're willing to fight. But everything you said about it. I don't know. I don't think about it, bro. Because we're going to close it off. No, I agree. I agreed exactly what you're saying.

It makes no sense to keep crying about reparations. They're not giving reparations like you said. They took it. Anything that we tried to create from Black Wall Street to everything else when we thought you was trying to separate or do anything for the people. they came and tore that motherfucker down. So like you said, if you ain't getting it back that way, it's not going to happen.

They're not going to do that. They're constantly showing you they're going to keep their foot on our necks, unless you're doing something aggressively to go against that. And as far as segregation, are you saying you're in favor of segregation or against it at this point? Both of y'all. He's a separatist. Just as a side note, reparations was actually paid following what happened in the Tulsa massacre. Black Wall Street, they did get paid reparations.

for that. But separatists. What's the value of a human life? Even them, even you saying them getting paid for it, but everything that they built, like you said, if they're separating, ain't getting built back again. They built it back. And there's several lives lost. And who owns it? Black people. Black Wall Street is still there. Go look it up.

It's called the Greenwood District. And it's in Tulsa. It's in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And are you in favor of segregation? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I think that racial... Who would he glaze? Yeah, who would I raise? Let him get his bars. Who would I glaze? No, real talk.

I mean, like, first of all, if I was a, if I was, if I was in favor of segregation, I wouldn't live in Los Angeles. One of the most culturally diverse regions in the entire. You live in bad, I don't know black people are there. I live in MacArthur Park, all right, is one of the most diverse. I literally live in the most densely populated region in Los Angeles, the second most diverse city in the United States. MacArthur Park is right there by LAX? Is that where? No.

Wait. Oh, what is that called? No. that is called Inglewood. So are you in favor of segregation, period, or just like business-wise, educational-wise, health-wise, or you're saying to separate all the way? The thing with me is I'm not a separatist, and I don't necessarily believe in segregation. What I believe is that black people in America and all over the world need to reconnect

with Africa economically, politically, and even spiritually, if you throw that in there. that's what I believe in. We have to come together because if you look at the way the United States is shaped, the groups that dominate the economic plan field are groups who have ties back to their homeland. Correct. They can get money from there.

They send remittance back over there. And if push comes to shove, they can go there and do business if they need to. That's all I'm telling black folks to do. Let's just reconnect back where we came from. You can stay in America. Pan-Africanism means black people all over the world, not just in Africa.

I mean, Africans have, sub-Saharan Africa is typically like black people, but North Africa, they look a lot more like Middle Eastern. There's parts of Africa where there's hell of white people that have been there for. Which parts of that? Zimbabwe has a large white population. South Africa. Large, they're like 3% of the population. It's not large. It's white Africans.

There's white Africans. And South Africa has a, not proud of them at all, but they definitely have a significant white population. This topic always confuses me when racist, like the idiot. they had up here last week said segregation is the answer because we've done that already. And every time black people segregate, start to build and start to succeed, they start to infiltrate and impede on that success to try to slow it down. So it's like, do you really want segregation or do you want us to segregate and starve? Because when we segregate and we start to prosper, we always get infiltrated.

And something tragic always happens that brings us back to square zero. So that's always my confusion with them telling us to segregate. We do that. Like Brandon made the point of when he made the debate. Yeah, we do that just fine. You want us over here? Cool, we start building. Right.

Second, we get to 50% of your wealth all of a sudden, oh, man, we need the simple rights. We need this. Y'all need to give up your businesses. Come integrate what us. Or you start to clans. Or you start bombing shit. So, so, you know what I'm saying? I'm getting that.

I'm not. Are you against racial mixing as far as, like, reproduction and things like that. Do you feel like, okay, let me rephrase that because I know that's such a vague question. Do you feel like it waters down the DNA and the genetics of the black race when y'all mixed with other races? I wouldn't say it waters down the DNA or the genetics. I'm not even against race mixing.

I'm against race mixing in a certain situation. Like you can't have 20 million. Because you're a reformed bunny hopper, right? No, I'm not. Yeah, you are. I'm not. You literally, you're just going to,

hell the white girls. Where? In high school. What? I had a white girl for the high school. Hell yeah. Bunny Hopper.

Hold, you got, you got, okay, race mixing, we talk about having kids. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. So to get to the point. Bunny hopper. So, yeah, nah. But, um, so one white girl

in high school, that's crazy. Probably a few. But the thing is, you know, when you have 20 million, black. Bunny hopping is reparations,

people. I just want to let you know that. I'm not that. It's a formal reparations. That's great. I'm not mad at that. It's a reparations. I'm all about black love, man.

But when you have 20 million black babies being aborted since like the 1960s, yeah, it does make me wish that black men and women would come together to make children a little more, with more exclusivity. So I'm not against race mixing. I am just looking at black people saying, look, we're up against it. There's Planned Parenthood in all of our neighborhoods. You come out here, I don't see no plan parenthoods. Where do white folks at?

Isn't that more of a socioeconomic thing than a race thing, though? That's more of a socially engineered thing by what, that's social engineering by white people, like Margaret Sanger. She literally said, guess what, I want to get rid of black people. I don't want a lot of them being born here. And there, to this day, is a Margaret Sanger award. So for you to even imply, which is what you're doing, that I am being like radical or unrealistic about the agenda against black people.

I never said that. I felt like it was implied. No, no, no. If anything, I'm a strength in that. Hold on, hold on. Do you believe a race mixing? Because he said, hell yeah. He said he's cool with it.

I think it's vital. I think it's vital. Okay. What makes it vital, though? Well, there's several things. They're like, number one, like this. You want to make the basketball team, huh? Yeah.

We're trying to get that melon in. Well, look, I think that every... Look, the number one thing is genetic diversity. Okay. Okay. Break it down. Genetic diversity is the foundation of genetic advancement. You know what I mean?

If you take... So let's look at like the white people in the hills, for example, right? Let's look at the Appalachian Mountains, right? Very little genetic diversity. The same people have been fucking each other for hundreds of years. Eventually, you get a subhuman... version of that race because they are not just race, but that type of people, because they mingled with each other and everyone's eventually humping on their cousins.

There's no genetic diversity. So that means that those genes are only going to advance to a certain extent. Now, when you mix genes with other types of genes, it actually has more of a chance of that offspring having more mental and physical capabilities. You mean in general? You mean black people? No, no, in general. I'm talking.

Asians mixing with Mexicans. Black's mixing with Arabs, whites mixing with Mexicans, whatever. Like all genetic diversity. But black people are the most genetically diverse people on the planet. We have more genes than every other route. So you're saying that there's no need to... We don't need to do that. That's what everyone else needs to do.

Well, eventually any... Look, if there's a concentrated area and people are stuck there, no matter what, eventually the lack of genetic diversity is going to wind up watering down the gene pool in a negative way. Well, that's the thing. We still got Africans and everything else coming over here who share our genetic makeup. So, like, if you look at the genes, like, black people have the most genes, white people have this. Can you fact check this for me, Danny?

Yeah, I was actually going to ask about that. I believe black people have the most genes and then his next is whites. I said African populations have the most genetic diversity, which is scientifically significant. Yeah, we have the most genetic diversity. Yeah, I don't think black people have to mix with other races to get the enhanced, diversity. Like we're pretty diverse people. And then when we got light and us, it made us even more genetically diverse.

So right. But I'm curious to know under what circumstance you're against it. Because you say you're for it, except certain circumstances. Are we talking financial? Where you got a wealthy black guy? Like, what are we talking? But real quick, not to cut you off. You literally just kind of acknowledged my argument because you said black people mixed with white people and became more genetically

diverse. No, we, no, I'm not. I'm saying we were already genetically diverse before we ever met you, but the black people during slavery where, you know, our grandmothers were raped, then we got more genetically diverse because of that. So the genetic diversity argument, that really only benefits. That's a one-sided thing. We don't need any more genetic diversity. First of all of it.

But what do you mean when you met us? Because remember, all life started in Africa, right? Yeah, we met you guys later. We was here first. Correct. All life started in Africa, right? Yeah, but you guys migrated out of Africa. Correct.

You guys started sleeping with your cousin. The genetic recessive trait. Your genes became recessive. And then when we got dragged out of Africa, when y'all came to slave us, that's when we met y'all. First of all, so the genetic diversity, I mean, the genetic recessive trait of albinism

or light skin or lack of melanin started in Africa before that's what forced the white people to get up out of there. You feel? me. In fact, that's actually the origins of racism. Matter of fact, it's the first example of a caste system in history of the world. I don't think that was due to genetic recessive genes. I think that was a mutation. It is a mutation. And then they got ostracized. The same thing. They got ostracized. He's like, y'all was created.

No. What I'm saying. Niggas created them in the lab. We didn't finish. They had that man scientist came to create a show. Shout out to Billy Carson. I'm not going to want. I'm mad about something about that.

And they said it was a nigga that did that. Just create the go out. Enunaki. Shout out of Anunaki. Shout out of Anunaki. Shout up with the two friends. Nibiru. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. But under what circumstance are you saying you're against it? Because you cut yourself off there. I'm against race mixing. Yeah. Because you say you're for it except certain circumstances. I said I don't mind it.

But I'm saying what makes me lean towards being against it. The moment, because you know at different times, you feel different ways. So in the situation or the circumstances that we're in in America where we got like our women, there's literally a campaign for our women to get abortions, right? And they're not running those campaigns in any other community. I would say black love has to be the message and the, you know, the mantra. not the mantra black love has to be the movement

or the priority are you you're for it right yeah absolutely okay how about you what race mixing you for it or you against he not supposed to be yeah he not I am you crazy but I ain't I ain't against it but I do I do it is what it is

you mingle what you mingle with but it's like that that shit is that shit is is sketchy because the more they mix the more that we start to die off so So it's a little... You think black people are better than Asians in math? I think Arabs created math, so they're the best.

I think we can't be. We're all fighting for second place. Can be? I don't think they created math, but go ahead. I'm just saying, like, so there's nothing about any other race that they might have the ups on... I literally gave it to Arabs, bro. I said Arabs and Venet, what are you talking about? You're not.

You're not twist of what I'm saying. No, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm leading you a greater point here. I think it's up to the individual. So, which would mean... that there might be an advantage for mixing with that blood because it might make black people more advanced mathematically. And that's just one small example.

That means you would be associated. No. I'm just saying that black people might not be the number one at every single aspect of life. Because everything is about need, right? So what need did black people in Africa who basically was hunting, farming, and fucking? What need do we have from math?

We literally... I got two wives. I got three. We literally had the perfect life. And then it was ruined. And you want me to tell you how I know that was the perfect life? We're going to tell you how I know that was the perfect life? Let's talk about this.

Because now the richest of the richest white people, they will give up all their riches. They'll separate themselves from their riches or use their riches to do what. Go somewhere way out isolated. I'm moving with my family to the hills of Appalachia or to the freaking Ozark Mountains. They literally are searching for the life that Africans had in Africa. I got to correct both of y'all because mathematics actually started from us. Okay. Language itself, music, mathematics.

I mean, damn near everything that we use in the world started from us. So that debunks everything. And math. Hold on. I'm not being biased. I'm just strictly speaking facts. You're good. You're good.

Now they're going to say we jump. No, no, we're not jumping them. No, no, we're not jumping them because he said the A right. and I said I disagree because I know for a fact, I remember I was researching this, the origins of mathematics itself actually comes from Africa. The origins of life comes from Africa.

So everything comes up. But them being... Who do you think is superior right now, though, at this moment? Who's the most advanced in mathematics? You can be learned. You don't need to procreate with an Asian to be good at math. You just have to practice math.

But he's just asking who's the best. Just we got to look up who won the math Olympics or whatever. Man, you can't even pronounce bro name. It got three Xs in it. You feel me from China. I promise you. We don't go to the next topic. I don't want to drag on that.

But my view on basically crossbreeding, I don't view people saying that they only want to procreate with themselves as being racist. I think white people, they get a bad rap with that or any race when they say they want to procreate with themselves. I think you should. I think it's smart. I think black people should start doing it more, especially wealthy black people because of what we start to notice,

when wealthy black people procreate, their kids usually start having kids. with the other side that they procreated with, meaning that wealth eventually gets washed out of the black circulation. That's why a lot of people like Dr. Umar is against it. And we actually start to mate ourselves out. So if I procreate with a white woman, then my son go procreate with a white woman.

Well, shit. Increase the likelihood of that. We're about to take ourselves out of the game. But what you start to see, other races and other countries are actually desperately trying to procreate with black people. They're actually paying black men to impregnate their women. because they want to get the melanin in their genetic gene pool because they think without it, they'll eventually, they're going to die off.

So this is all stuff you can fact check and research, too, by the way. With the dissemination of our ozone layer, shit. Melanin is worth more than gold, by the way. Melanin is a valuable tree. They used to literally eat us. Can we go to the next problem? Destruction of the black nuclear family. I just had to drop the bars real quick.

No, so with that being said, Brandon, do you think that I have white savior complex? I think, no, I think you just want to be accepted by every, maybe you experienced some trauma in the past with your own group, maybe your parents or your brothers or sisters. Like what Tarinacchi when he abused you? Basically. Yeah. So now you kind of look, maybe you were shown love, treated good by other cultures. And it makes sense because, you know, Mexican culture, black cultures, were very hospitable, very accepting and welcoming of other. groups. So you

just have this like, you just like, nah, they did right by me. So I'm a right, I'm a do right by them in any situation. I'm a ride for them. And that's why I think you're at with it. Correct. You're 1,000% right. I don't look. So to. And I'm here to tell you, I don't give a fuck

about all that. You ain't black. No, here's the thing. Here's the thing. And black people arguably with me way more than you. That's the crazy part. Like, you feel me? Like, that's the crazy part. But I think that there's a big misconception. I feel seen right now because I think,

I thought that you had this concept that I feel like I know how to solve the issues of the black community and I'm like in a position where I'm able to speak. I don't believe that. You feel me in any capacity? I don't think you believe that. Okay. Because you've alluded to me having white savior complex on multiple occasions.

I'm sure you've been to like 12 step and stuff so you learned all about like the things I can control, things I can't control. Right. Wisdom of your prayer. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think you're like that.

My thing is like there are certain aspects of black life or the black community, like gang banging type shit. You defend that stuff. And I'm looking at it like, nah, that stuff, we got to get rid of that shit for our community to truly get back healthy and be on the path forward or on an upward trajectory. And so you got to see it from my perspective. This guy's defending shit that I really think we need to get rid of. So obviously I look at you as like you in the way.

I understand that. But now, who do you frequently pod with? The two other gentlemen that are sitting at the stable with us right now. Come on. Let's talk about it, Lus. Because, you know, I don't know how they identify as far as activity, but these are both, you know, admitted and proud members of a community. You feel me?

Yeah, the black community. The black community as well as the Crips in Long Beach. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like babies. Shout out too sick. You dig. So with that being said, these guys are epitomizing what you are against.

They're really not epitomizing it, but they know how I feel about the situation. And deep down inside, they know that what I'm saying is true. Every black person knows we're going to have to address the gang shit big time. Because if we're talking about our numbers dwindling and all that stuff, even drill music. Like people would say gang members support drill music, right? You would say they love it, right? For the most part. Okay, but if you ask this, do, if we could get rid of drill music, if it meant eliminating a lot of black deaths, he'll be like, get rid of that shit.

And I agree with that, too. Exactly. So it's not that they're epitomizing this negative thing. It's that I'm cool with them because I understand that when it all comes down to it, they agree with what I think. Maybe not the way I deliver the message, but they know, like, something has to happen. something that change is necessary. Sounds like selective politic. No, it's not at all.

Because you know that, okay, these are intelligent black men. They might be gang members, but they're able to, like, thrive in other capacities. So you really can't say shit. But that kind of defeats the argument. But they're not out recruiting kids to join the gang.

Their kids, they're not like, yeah, you're going to be a Hoover Crip. There's ignorant niggins out here doing that. So they're just, but I'm just, I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to mention their supposed to gang. But they're not, there are people who raise their children to being gangs, right? That's a problem. That's not a mutually exclusive problem in the black race either, by the way.

I'm not saying this mutually exclusive. There's many people do it. But what I'm saying is there's a difference between a gang member, like, I'll give you an example, like Melvin Farmer, right? So I had a conversation with Melvin Farmer. And I asked him a real question. I said, do you believe, because I asked them, do you think gangs need to be over? He said no. I said, is the reason that you feel gangs don't need to be done away with?

Because is your reasoning for that that if we do away with gangs, you lose your importance. See? A lot of people hold on to gangbanging because if gangbanger were to be done away with, they would just be regular people. But I mean, especially the OG. But here's the thing. But inherently in their inception, gangs were meant as a. were created as a means to protect the community. Hell no. Absolutely.

Hell no. From racist outsiders. No. Don't say hell no. So I'm a history. Community revolution in progress. That was later. That's the community revolution in progress.

Shout out to the Panthers. Exactly. From the Panthers, the Panthers was a game, but we heard us all about. The Panthers were a political party. They was a gang. They was moving together. Political party. They wore a certain jackets.

They had, they represented certain things. They was a gang. Maybe they movement and their goals was different about the way they moved about it. they still was a gang. We don't hear too much flack about the cartels when they whack niggas every fucking day. You don't speak on none of that. Who me?

Anybody. In general, niggas don't say get rid of the police force because they're out here smacking niggas. They're another form of a gang. The army, the Navy, it's just different aspects and goals about how you're going about it. That's what needs to change the trajectory of where it's headed. Most game members don't have no end game. Most game members don't have no goal or no foresight to see where this is going to get you.

And some niggas don't really just don't give a f***. But that's the biggest problem with gangs. Gangs ain't just the sole problem of where we at. Like we just said earlier, when black people come together on some positive or some different shit, the other, the forces that's unseen still come after niggas at the end of the day. I would encourage y'all,

if you happen to watch a documentary called The Bastards Parties about the creation of the Crips and Bloods. Yeah, yeah. That's for all of them. I know y'all might have seen that, but yeah. Because it pretty much substantiates everything. that this guy just said and everything that I said. I said this on another podcast.

I don't remember which one. It might have been this one. But I said that 600, the dude who everybody's calling a stitch and he's the police and all that. I said, I had a lot of respect for 600. I'm sure you do.

Because no, what people don't realize with the big you and 600 shit is that 600 is kind of like he's the evolution of the gang gang member in the sense of like white gangs were once in the streets fighting with each other killing each other you saw the movie uh we gangs in new york well eventually those gangs they went into the police force they went into the fire department they went into the unions they basically went legit to a certain extent the black gangs have to go through that same evolution they have to find something else that kind of keeps the spirit of gangs a lot but it channels it into something that's that's beneficial to society.

Like hip-hop? Like gang-sor-ratt music, though? No, hell no. Like, 600 being a cop, like y'all say, or campus police or whatever he was. So are you four gangs or against gangs? I'm against gangs. I'm against gangs. I'm against gangs.

So you're against gangs. Are you four gangs or against games? If we're going to make it as base of a comment as that? Yeah, you're not in a game. So are you saying he's a hypocrite? He doesn't matter. Like, cool with us? Yeah, he's a huge hypocrite.

Because, like, it's just like when Conrad was here. You were terrified. You wanted to suck him off. You feel, me? Like, you didn't want to, like, actually push back at any of his points. And it's almost like you were doing it in a demeaning way. You're like, you're like playing. So I was glazing him, but I was demeaning him at the same time.

Let's come with the blood. This thing is Lusknoticed. He just said I was glazing him. Yes. Let him finish his story. Yes, because you were playing with him like Kigloves. You're like, I was about to interject. You're like, you know, let him finish.

Let him finish. Like, it's a fucking baby taking his first steps. Oh. Let him walk across the room. And then afterwards, you want to be like, oh, of course. Like, what did you say in your super chat? Why would I fucking take Conrad seriously? He's whacked out of his mind on drugs.

Well, for one, I never said, why would I take him seriously? That's essentially what you said. He was so high he could barely talk and I could barely hear him. So. So. Obviously, he made the most coherent points out of any of us. To you, to you. I see that, you know, birds of a feather.

But the thing is, I was just telling you to wait so I could actually hear what he was saying, because he was talking kind of low. glazing him. I don't even know, I don't even know George like that. His name is George, but I don't even know George. What's funny is after I was done with that, my hobby called me like, man, I do that dude forever. It ain't about glazing.

These people are big mythical figures to you. To me, they're just regular people. How do you have a big mythical figure? Well, you were scared of him. He must be something if you think I was scared of him because that's great. No, I was just like feeling your aura. Why would I be scared of someone's high? Because how come you didn't have this energy

talking about gangs or paramount. of the destruction of the black community. If he went to come in talking like, he was talking about. I would have said the same thing. Bro was barely getting his words out. So I was just like, and he ended up agreeing with me on a lot of shit. He did not agree with you.

Yes, he did. Like when he said, he said, we reached the point where ain't nobody holding black people down. It's just if you want to put the work in, you could do whatever you want. That was in agreement. Can you contextualize that?

That's literally what he said. You can text you. I don't get what that means. The fact that a lot of black people played a victim. Oh, the man's holding me down. And I can't move forward because the man. Kyle Rap basically threw that shit all the way out the window.

He sat right here and said that. Ain't nobody holding black people down. You got to put it in the work. You got to do it. And I actually respected that about him. I said, okay, bro, I said, despite bro, try to defend the gang shit, at the end, he, at the end of the day, he knows reality. And that's what you're going to find with most gang members.

And most people defend gang shit. At the end of the day, they're like, when the rubber be thrown, they're like, nah, man, this shit ain't really stopping the nigga from doing anything. Yeah, I think gangs are actually. need it, just not the way we're gang banging. Correct. Like bro said, like bro said, everything is a gang. No matter when you want to look at it

that way or not, if you're a Christian, you're part of the Christian gang. A football team. If you're a Democrat, you're part of the Democratic gang. They just call it the Democratic Party, but it's a gang. The gangs out here, they have no end game. That's what black people need. An endgame. A positive end game that's going to lead to

success. Then we all bang that. But every time we start those gangs, what happens? In finance. A different gang comes, interferes it down, and we back to square one. Contele pro, the police, et cetera. But is that not what I just said about the evolution? The gangs need to evolve.

That would be the endgame. We need to find a positive. And if you look like the hell's angels, they ain't running around here fucking people up no more. Hell yeah, they are. Well, some, there's still that element. For sure. They just got a diet a few years ago. They all just kept in solid.

But what I'm saying is. And you make it sound so easy like, like it don't play a difference of being black trying to get accepting to somebody police force versus a KKK member, ex-KKKK member going to sign up and getting in those spaces. It's not going to be the same for niggas as it will be for them. Any situation, bro, if you go to places like Atlanta, Mississippi, Tennessee, all those places, there's whole cities where damn near the whole police force is black.

Those are in predominantly black areas as well. But guess what? Guess what? Black people can go to predominantly black areas. They can enter into the political. situation there. Absolutely. So what I'm saying is the same thing like what viral just said. It has to evolve out of what it is now.

But I believe what's stifling the black gang's evolution is people like you sitting up. Yeah, I'm the reason why the gangs are killing each other. People like people like you who don't want the gang culture to change because you are entertained by

and you have gotten to the point where you identify with it. I never say industry. I never said that that gangs don't need to change. What I said is that in their core essence, gangs are not inherently detrimental to the black community. They really are. In fact,

the reason why they started was a mechanism of community, of brotherhood, and of combating racist white gangs. Because if you know, South L.A. was a predominantly white region, right? Right. Compton, Watts, all predominantly white cities, right? Black people started,

black people were allowed to buy, island over there, you feel me, they started inhabiting these areas. We made it so bad all the white people have to move. You know about it so bad. You made it bad showing up and being black. Yeah, that's cool. So, you know, y'all know what the fuck white flight is.

Y'all know a white flight is, obviously. But before it got to that point, all the whites and those areas predominantly like Englewood, Lynnwood, all these different areas would. You notice that reoccurring theme in all their names, you feel me? Crazy, right? They tried to, they was,

bullying black people. They said you can't be outside past a certain time. La-da-da-da-da. And that is the formation of gangs. Shit, guess what? They should have bullied their ass. Maybe the errors would still be nice and they would have kept enforcing that shit. He's tweeting.

He's wild. Hold on. This is coming out. Oh, God, this is ruckus. Y'all keep calling the brand. It's Uncle Ruckus. Listen, you made a great point about black people legitimizing what we're doing as far as going into the police forces, becoming judges, becoming lawyers.

But you got to add nuance to that, too, because it's just not that. easy. If you don't change the culture of the system that we're joining, it doesn't matter. I could be black and join those systems, but guess what? Those systems rules were built off of what? But numbers change. Hold on. I know, I get it, but they were built off of what? I mean, racism. Yeah, racism. White supremacy, right? So I'm a part of that system still. We've seen examples of that where judges did things that wasn't in favor of that and they were taken off of cases, where cops did things that wasn't in favor of that

and they were taking off cases or suspended or given death's duty. So until we address those issues, just joining it is not enough. That's only half the battle. But what about the culture that's already in place? What about the culture of systemic impression? Because you named

Atlanta and all these predominant black places that usually those places they grew up with their cops. Like a lot of them be from their neighborhoods. You see them out there playing with each other and they actually know these people. When you come to cities out, here, they go go grab a cop that on nothing, don't know. Nothing about L.A. gangs or Long Beach gangs and nothing like that.

Bring them in here to enforce a certain way. They don't come here to protect and serve nobody. Police don't do nothing but react out here. This is why don't nothing change anyway. So even that being in a stance, they're never going to let you migrate and accept you as one of them. And for the record, Atlanta is no longer predominantly black. The article just came out.

It is no longer predominantly black. it's been infiltrated, it's been taken over, people have been moving, so y'all can look those stats up in fact that's right, but this is the same playbook, like we said. You get a black city now, what do they want now? They see it's too many of them prospering over there. We need to infiltrate this. Regardless of how you want to look at it.

But the thing is, you know, Atlanta, there's a lot of places down south where there are police forces that are predominantly black. And also, you can go into different other police forces. my whole point is that you can't just say oh well the police you can't really judge the situation

based on racism you have to just look at the situation based on what's around you if you flood the zone you then change the culture I'll give you a prime example look it before it used to be illegal to set up burrito stands

on the corner the police will literally come and snatch all your shit you remember when he's younger they'll snatch all your shit do you got a license do you got this And they still do that? Man, listen. Now it's to the point where certain cities are giving these niggas equipment.

They made it super easy to get a license. You know why? Because once that group of people, Mexicans, became such a large population, they're the majority now. I mean, it wasn't this their land in some point? I'm not talking about that. Once they became the majority again, let's say that again, because it was their land, they sold it to us.

Once they became the majority, again, they were able to what change the culture it's crazy you say us like an american but then you want to switch like oscillate between american and pan-African depending on the talking about whatever confirms your ideology like what the father i'm a pet wait a minute also also i'll say this what's up with your separatist ideology i want to say i have a question of you've already proved that i'm not a separate no but do you think that your ideology is peppered by the fact that you're from the most racially contentious part of southern california no i'm going back to your first then I'll address that.

So I am a pan-African person. Genetically, ethnically, I am an African. Nationally, I am, yeah, nationalistically, I am an American. I am American national. So you're pro-American, but you don't believe that it's in black people's best interest to even be here.

No, I didn't say it's, you didn't listen to me before. You own property in Africa, don't you? Yes, I do. Why would I be anti-American when I am an American? That's my nationality. So I can be both. I can be a pan-African and be an American citizen.

That's what I am. But isn't it kind of contradictory to be pro-black and to the extent that you are and represent the nation that enslaved your people? But how am I representing? It's on the backs of slavery? Make it make sense, player. That should make me even more proud to be an American. We built this bitch, I'm taking ownership.

That's like saying you built a house and they made like, so many bad things happened. I'm going to just give it to somebody else. It just seems like you switch your argument up when it's going to be in and your ideology. No, the thing is, black people are not monolithic. Black people can have different opinions. But you said black people were the most monolithic people in the world. You fucking switch on this is the biggest.

Brennan, you're a smart dude, but you be fucking yourself up. bro, could you contradict yourself all the time? I'm not contradicting myself. Call it. He literally, he literally said two podcasts we did ago. I think it was the news two or three pods ago. He said black people are the most monolithic people in the entire world. Now he just said black people are not monolithic.

What I, Houseway. So what I'm telling you is black people in ignorance are monolithic, are thinking. So just the negative aspects of black culture. And we are monolithic in a negative. boy, but what I'm saying monolithic, when I say, we are not monolithic in a positive way, meaning black people can have different opinions. But if you talk to black people, like, say something like, hip hop is black culture, right?

The average black person is going to be like, yeah. But in reality, a smart black person will be like, no, hip hop is a genre of music. Started by black people. It's going to throw in shots. It's a subculture. First of all, it's a subculture. It's a subculture. When you think of hip-ah, what do you think of?

There's black people who don't even listen to hip-hop. When you think of hip-a-black culture. When you think of hip-a-hip-hop, what do you think of? I think of hip-hop is not black. Hip-hop is not the definition of black culture. That's what people are arguing. Yeah, but a lot of black people think that. No, I'm not.

A lot of black, I'm trying to explain it to you. Black people. A lot of black people. black people think hip hop is black culture. Like that's what the definition of black culture entirety, right? Yeah. And I'm like, no, that's stupid to think like that. Of course.

But there are a lot of black people who think like that. So when people tell you, like, you eat like black people like chicken or watermelon, what do the people attach that to? They attach that to racism because that's a racist statement. But is it more that black culture? So when you think of hip hop, you think more of black people. The same way, if I think of a damn taco or burrito, I'm going to think of Mexicans. 100% mariachi music.

But that's not the entirety of their culture. No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is to debug what you're saying low-key, we're going to say that's Hispanic or Mexican culture, even though we know that's not the entirety of their culture. And they got that shit from somewhere else. But hip-hop is... The biggest problem I have with what you said is hip-hop is not just a genre of music.

Hip-hop is a sub-culture. It has become a subculture within black culture. Correct. It is not the epitome of black culture. No. For sure. But there's been, like, you know, is one of the most successful genres of music.

It is the number one genre of music in the world who was created by black people and has provided black people. It's the number one genre of music or that's the number one. It is. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I think pop. Pop music is the number one. Look it up. You look it up. All right, bro. But, um...

Hey, Donnie, can I get an unbiased? What is the... Hold on, what are we judging by being number one? Number one most popular genre of music. Hip hop is number one for sure. No. Hip-hop is number one by far. Most influential genre.

Not influential. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, okay. What is the most popular genre of music in the world? It's hip-hop. It's not hip-hop. It's hip-hop by far. No, it's not.

For sure, it's hip-hop. Hip-hop don't even got the most views on YouTube. Number one, pop, number two, hip-hop rap. This debate is over. Hold on. What is it judging by? Is it judging by album sales and views, or is it judging by influence? Yeah, so, okay, this is also like a very...

Can we acknowledge, Donnie, that I was right? Exactly. Listen, how do you know? There's nobody in Africa trying to be a pop store. No, there's real music in Africa. Of course you use chat GBT and say popular and pop is going to throw that in there. No. Yes.

If you go to every region of the earth, they emulate American hip-hop culture. They're not emulating pop culture. To be fair, it is hip-hop. I said, no, no, no, no, no. I did. You asked him and he gave you the answer. He gave you the facts. He did answer and he gave answer to.

No, no, no, no. But also pop, you can't say is a single solitary genre because that has a different meaning in every country. And every country is a different idea of what pop music means. It is very distinct from hip hop. And actually, most, most pop music contains, but most pop music nowadays contains elements of hip elements nowadays. Yeah.

But even like Michael Jackson, he was like a pop artist. Right. He was. He was. He's the king of pop. He's the king of pop. Again. Popular.

Yeah, that's what pop means. Exactly. But Michael Jackson was heavily influenced by hip-hop, R&B, New Jack's swing, disco, soul, all different black genres. Hip-hop is not at the top of any global music charting system. Well, that's not true. There's a rap music artist that's number one in several different countries. I mean, first of all, there is a time when...

Internationally. Drake was... number one in multiple countries at the same time on multiple charts. As soon as you put him in the world music charts, he's not even in the top five. That's not true also. But here's the main thing. Look it up right now, world music charts. Currently, it's a slightly different landscape.

However, there's been a long time. No, but there's been times where hip-hop and hip-hop artists were number one. They got close. They never were number one. The problem is is pop isn't a genre. Exactly. argued, but... Pop is a genre.

Now, that's facts because you can say, because you can say Drake is transcended to pop. He is. Yeah. Pop is 100% a genre. We just said Michael Jackson was the king of pop. So it has to be... King of popular, like he said.

We're not, we're counting Michael Jackson. You're going to count Michael Jackson as a singer. If you have to break it down the context, you're going to count Drake is a rapper slash singer, but he's still popular. Yes, but pop is the number one most popular genre of music and it has been on top of the charts over hip hop for decades. Okay, so we, so charts, let's take the charts out of it, out of influence, which one

would be more influential to you? Probably, probably, uh, by a significant margin. You know the answer. You know the answer. So if I go around the world and I see almost every culture in the world emulating black American hip hop culture, I'm going to assume that's more popular in pop music, even though they might be streaming pop music more. They still do.

They still. Like those people will be emulating hip-hop and also emulating popular culture. Okay. So would you- I'll be doing both? Is there a single genre of music in the world that's created more wealth, opulence, and prosperity for black people than hip-hop? No. No, no.

Okay. Of course not. Okay. So would you say that like- Is there a genre of music that has led to more death in the black community than hip-hop? I would probably give you the same answer. Okay. I'll probably give you the same answer.

Yeah. So that's kind of what makes, so would you say that hip hop is a destructive force for the black community? It has a destructive force. How so? Because it's just been, the problem with hip hop is there was no true gatekeeping. There was no real gatekeeping around hip hop.

What does that mean? That means the dudes who are the progenitors of hip hop. The dude two are the pioneers of hip hop. They let it, they allowed it to be infiltrated by the negative people who were bringing in negative elements. Like, no, no, every rapper who is not a drill rapper should be speaking out against drill rap. Why? Because, or especially artists who do drill rap and then go out and live what they rap about in drill rap.

Or encourage people, like I got the little kid saying, I want people to slide to my music. That guy should automatically be ostracized from the hip-hop community. Well, yeah, it's like straight like genocide agenda. That's genocide, yeah. I don't disagree with that. So do you agree that hip, you. group. Well, he's saying hip hop is negative for the community? No, I don't believe that hip hop is negative for the community at all. I think in its extremity,

when you talk about things like drill music, it's difficult to find the silver lining outside of the fact that you look at certain examples of individuals. I'll just use Chief Keefe as an example. I use G. Herbo as another example. These are two guys that came from the impoverished inner city of Chicago and were making really negative music that was perpetuating violence. Perpetuating violence. However, they then transcend. it removed themselves from that area stopped making music that was pushing those specific agendas

and they immediately became way less popular. Well, not. Yeah, but do you all think Chicago would be as highlighted if they never spoke about the stuff in their music? Absolutely not. Because them kids still had to live that life before they even got into doing drill music. Absolutely not. Nobody cared about Chicago in a hip-hop landscape at that point.

There was literally Kanye West. There is common. There is Brad. You feel me? Bumpet. Lubei. Lube. And that's a great starting roster. And that shit wasn't really happening back then. But there wasn't like a movement for Chicago. There's way less outlets for young, poor, black artists to get recognized on a national scale and transcend the region.

So drill music was helpful in that regard. It was the people that wound up falling victim to the propaganda and the negativity and kind of got lost in the sauce of the message that didn't transcend. So is it safe to say this is one of those arguments where two things could be right at the same time? Because if you look at the inception of hip hop, it started based off positivity. It started at bucking the system. It started at knowledge of self and fight the powers that be. Right. Once they monopolized hip hop and started to make money off of hip hop and then started to invest in private prisons, then using the drill music and the gangster rap to usher us into those private prisons to make money.

That's where the negative aspect comes from it. But then on the flip side, you can't take the positivity out of it. But that's where you, that's what I'm saying. The people were the pioneers of hip hop. That's why I say it's negative because they allowed their genre, their music that they created, the music that they popularized the genre that they put on the map. They allowed it to be turned into something that became a negative, a tool of basically destruction within the community.

They did not speak up. And you want me to tell you this? Those rappers, they literally, will just co-sign anybody. Like, it don't matter if the rapper's gay or not to have a problem with gay people. But, like, if it's the drill rapper or whatever, they just,

you give me a check? Yeah, this dude is next up. It's like a whole culture. Like, whoever got the money, I'm going to co-sign it. At that point, it's no longer in your control. You're totally capable of being bought out and it's negative.

It's to be torn down and rebuilt to something. So who infiltrated and whose fault is it that hip hop wind up going in that direction? And what would you say was like the turning point around what year? I would say the record labels had a lot to do with it where they were

promoting and marketing shit that was speaking about negative things, killing and all that drug use, right? And we just didn't keep ownership of any of it. So you could it's not even who entered it.

It is black people. who mishandled it. When you were the NWA come out. I would say that's the turning point. Yeah. And so the, their first, like straight out at Compton, I believe 88 is like the actual,

but like really they came out in 87. I want to say, dope man by Ice Cube dropped in 86. 87. That's when Gangsta rap really caught the steam and really. So the first gangster rap group, artists ever is School E.D. from Philadelphia. And then there's a group called three times dope.

And then I see, who's actually, from New Jersey, but came out in L.A. in 83, six in the morning, a lot of people credit is... He made the right move. But what I'm said, but I want to say this. I wouldn't even say NWA was like the turner point

because NWA was very much about maintaining control. 100%. Retaining control of their intellectual property or IP. I think Q was the only one. Q, but the EZE started his own record label. Easy. He was an entrepreneur

straight up. Easy. People don't know this, but Jewish guy who was like over that Easy, he had a very lucrative contract with him. Oh yeah, yeah. Him and Jerry he was fucking arresting his people off the same. Exactly. But the thing I'm saying, and whose fault was that? Well, that's, they fault because they didn't read their contracts.

But this is also kind of easy for being janky. But think about this. But EasyE at least had the awareness to maintain a controlling interest in what was going on. After Easy died and then like, you know, Ice Cube, he was always about controlling his stuff.

It just became this like, I'm a sell my soul for a couple hundred thousand dollars and you do whatever you want to with this music. You can only blame him. And then Ice Cube started doing movies about like being like a dad and a cop and all that. At the end of the day, the onus is on us for selling it. But at the same time, you still got to look at, okay, if I'm dead broke in the fucking projects,

ducking bullets, moms can barely make ends meet. Jewish guy shows up with a check or whoever, whatever race guy owns the record company shows up with a check, I'm taking the check. Most of them never seen a contract in their life. So it is more nuanced to the situation. Then when you look at, I believe it was both of those,

they talked about the secret meeting in 94. Yeah, yeah. It was talking about the private prisons and the record companies actually invested into them. Yeah. Then you start to see the landscape of the music change to just drill, drill, drill, kill, kill, kill. And that's all we're giving the checks to. Facts, but you guys understand.

that is not just black artists that have been fucked by, it's literally artists in general have been fucked by the industry from day one. But y'all realize that this isn't a mutually exclusive problem by the Jews.

Y'all know that Barry Gordy. We never said that. You brought that up. No, no. This 4 o'clock, by the way. Yeah, yeah, we got 15 more minutes. No, hell, no. You said, you got a hard start.

Stop it for it. I said, you're saying, if you are luscious girlfriend, just know that we literally told him to come do whatever he had to do for you, and he's talking about he got 50 more minutes. I got 10 more minutes. But if you want to wrap it up,

blaze his ass. But I won't say that. You said you ain't done. You got something to do? I ain't trying. We got a million here. You have a white flag? If y'all hire me at no jumper,

you could talk to me every day about this nonsense. Nonsense. I think I smoked your boots, frankly, to be honest. You lost. I think I lost, what do you guys say?

I think both of y'all made good points, and I think both of y'all missed some points. points. But I can't say neither one of y'all smoked each other because the topic's low key bounced around. Y'all never really stayed on any topic. I'll give you like the biggest WU you took because I didn't have a clear response to you being an FBI.

Oh, yeah. He smoked you on that. Yeah, yeah. He's been Pan-African. Yeah. So you got me on that point. You feel me? I was really trying to get you to try.

But that's the thing. But I do feel like you, you'll switch your, your agendas and your ideology for a conversation for the convenience. of your argument. I mean, we've seen you do it three times today. I'm fully invested in Pan-African-Africa. Why do you think he's an agent, though? Like, are you saying, are you saying, he's coming here and switching up his whole, who he is as a creator to figure it. No, no, no, no, no, I don't think he, I think he, uh, his presence over here is the same thing he did in the FBI movie. No, let me say this. Let me say this. The reason you know that that's not

true is because I be on a day pot, I argue with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The difference is they're mature, suspect. is immature. So he's jumping up because he's a loser. They are accomplished men. This is a man child. So because he reacted the way he did and then subsequently reacted the way I did,

you guys are like, he has an agenda. No, I'm just dealing with a child right here. I don't think the suspect thing has anything to do with the That's what started this. Stop. That's what started everything. But okay, so my childish, am I able to debate you? You got some, you got some child

you got some childhood trauma. And Lesnar to answer it up No, but you would admit on some things you are immature about. Of course. Okay. But, but do I... But you are also mature enough to come back,

sit down with me, let's have a discussion. Yeah. You're not like, whenever he's there, don't have me there because I'm scared. I'm not PC enough for anybody in this month. So you said, so you're a minute suspects in PC. Both of y'all are, you guys are separated. You guys are separated from each other.

Donnie, you just admit. No, no. I'm separated. I asked to be on that show. Somebody rolled it up. The other day, the other day, I got the text right now in my phone. I told Adam, you should put me on the news at 12. Adam said, oh, I can't have you in there with suspect unless I get his permission.

I would like you know who rolled up. Who wrote it up? I didn't see him rolling up. I would like to see y'all have a debate of this nature that I moderate. Listen, suspect is there right there. I will come sit in the chair. I won't even touch him. Here's the thing.

you know like I know the minute we say something suspect doesn't like just like Donnie knows the minute we say something suspect doesn't like what is he going to do Donnie you got a mic right there what is he going to do Donnie but yeah I mean he is

he's going to start flipping out so the reason he's not going to be incorrect about what you and bro got going on no that's cool but what I'm telling you is that's the difference we can all sit here like men you could say something I don't like yeah okay I don't agree with that but I'm not going to go crazy

this guy just be exploding. Well, yeah. I mean... I would say... But also, I feel like, you tried to use tactics to bait, bro, you feel me? You tried to do some shit

because you know, like, when you're going against, what's the retards name that you debated last week? You feel me, that fucking J-Cat. A dude's like that. The white guy? Yeah.

He's a fool of a fucking socially inept a moron. So you feel me? Let me ask you one question. If I bait it, cuss, why did I ask him a question off camera?

Bating would have been done all. It was right before the camera went on. I didn't know that. Look, look, look, here's the thing. You know what time the show started. Jump in, nigga. No, I'm going to keep it real, bro.

You get a PC version of him here. I think he's trying to acclimate to the culture here. This niggas way worse on our team. We get the worst. We get the full uncut. We be wanting to strangle this snake. I want unsurgenized. So when I watch him here and they're like, oh my God,

he's a rockin' I thought what this niggas p t over here yeah this nigga bro I'll be chilling over here he be tilling over here I ain't a lot and ask him and even Josh said I don't think Brandon meant anything by it he was just asking because he thought because I honestly thought I misheard him no but you also know like look you're used to debating with like the Nick Fuentes arc of mother because right you're and you know the number one talking point that these racist white people have to say is oh black man that poor impulse control da-da-da-da-da-da-da and suspect

proved shit like that. Boom, but you like wanted him to prove it. No, I didn't know him. You did it on purpose. I didn't even know. To try to like, listen, listen. To try to be like, look at these guys over here. No.

No. No. He's supporting the low vibrational type of black man, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's get some. Let's get suspect here. Let's get Brandon here. Yeah. And let them hash it out. We could do that.

Let them debate it out. Are you down for a part two? Because we barely even scraps the surface. I'll bring, listen. I want me. These dudes will guarantee peace. Guarantee you won't do no one. I'm with that.

And we put suspecting you on this side and me and Vibe on my side on this side. That's cool. I'll do it. I'm with that. I'm with that because I can also smoke for three of you guys if it come down to it. You know we can jump his ass.

No, no, no. That's why Lest didn't stay on one topic. Don't let him fool you. He didn't stay on one topic because he felt like he knew he was going to get cooked. No, no. He was constantly around. Hey, that's why he didn't want to go down that topic.

Nothing going on. That nigger, look. We have. You know, here's a thing because Brandon has a tendency to do filibusters, aka talk, make 17 points,

not even refute the first one you said, and by the time it's your turn to respond, everybody's fucking falling asleep. Did I do that? But you should be able to pay points is so worrying. That's why every shot you threw in him, he just, just brushed it off because he knew it was bullshit.

It was like it was nothing really, it was nothing, it was no grounds right there in sand. It was based on gum at the wall. It was sad. A mean, yeah, a mean son's first,

three. We're a smoke down in this shit. One question before we go. Let's go melt down all the way. Because I got to know. The duty debated last week was a idiot. What's your view on Nick Fuentes? He's an idiot too.

Okay. I'm gonna tip my hat today. Yeah, he's an idiot. He's unintelligent? Or he's an idiot because you don't agree with him. I agree with nothing he says. Nick Fuentes. He's a bitch.

I agree. Record label and a motherfucking crew. I don't agree with that. There is no except. I know you guys both can suck Republican 24-7. I think he's an articulate idiot. He's a Griffin. He's a raised-bader.

He just said shit about black people. He significantly, he has to give me more information. And like this dude that you are debating, he's clearly like a Twitter baby that doesn't even know I have proper social interaction skills. So do you feel like I filibuster today or I did? No, not at all. No, not at all. I think this was a fair conversation. And you still got your ass with.

I smoked shit. We know what's up. You got yourself in a trick bag like three times. W's in the chat for us, you know. W's in the chat for us. That's crazy. But. But, but, but, but.

He's on the suspect shit now. But I will say, you feel me? That shit was dope. You feel me? I'll fuck with you. Okay. And I'll fuck with your mind. We jump in your ass next time.

No, yeah, yeah. I'm going to need that from all three. Because I was being unbiased today. We come back. We smoke a shit. I think that you guys, I think that these guys know that I won. And they were, they was on my side until I said it was three against two. And then all of a sudden it became a long beach versus LA.

No, I was on, I was on his bumper about more. Exactly. he was on my side. That's what I'm saying. We know that. We know the truth. We know the truth. You got to add nuance to these conversations

because you can't just make blanket statements without giving the background to what you're saying. I thought you had the video loaded up like used for the show some. You know what I mean? No, I do got videos loaded up. I just don't want to get us copyright strict. Yeah, I dig.

It's a good podcasting right there. But with that being said, there's all that. We didn't get, we're done. But next time the primary, one of the primary topics I'd like to discuss with you is anti-Semitism. With that being said, Lush versus Brandon's show

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