No Jumper - Mama Duck on Losing FBG Duck, King Von, Lil Jay, Wooski, Lil Durk & More

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

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No jumber. Coolest podcast in the world. I got my boy Remo with me. And today we're sitting down with the unstoppable, lovable, iconic mama Doug is in the building. How are you doing? I am good.

I don't thank you for having me. I'm all that to you. Yeah, of course. You're an icon at this point. Oh, my goodness. I've never seen a mom quite like you. All right. Well, I'm quite sure there's a lot of them out here.

They just probably ain't got the balls to do it because they worry about what somebody going to say or how they feel. But I'm different. It hit different when you hit when you different. It do hit different. We'll do our homework on that. No, but think about it, there's so many rapper moms

that we've been introduced to over the years. And most of them, whack as hell realistically don't be calling nobody mama whack man okay not whack

but you know they're not star they don't deserve a say cheese interview really most moms I think yeah I'm different for real

I deserve all that shit no for sure lost a lot I deserve it all so definitely okay can we can we start from the beginning

the early days of Mama Duck let's go historical Well, I got from state to lake We're at the Ivy Wells Projects, one of the rawest projects Chicago ever had, so I'm sad I'm 37, Lake Park

to 37, 39, Cottage Grove, King Drive, State. Yeah, I was all through there by new bishing. Okay. And what were your parents like? My parents, well, my mom was one of nine kids, so I'm one of 57 grandkids from my grandmother. Right, I heard you do this math on Vlad. Yeah, so, like that one seed, had nine kids, 57 grandkids, and when she died, 2008, she had 151 great-grandkids, and that was Bricknell.

My kids, all her great kids, kids. Yes, a lot of us. We need no gangs. One in our own. Everybody, if you ain't knew a weekly, you had a baby bi-weekly. You was close to a weekly. What's a weekly? That's our last name.

Oh, okay, okay. Sorry. Yes. I did know that. I just, the way you were saying it. Yeah, it's powerful. You know, I brag about it all the time, and now I get to see it on your phone.

platform and my granddaddy made Sweet Baby Drain's barbecue sauce so y'all kissed my ass to that. What's that like some famous as barbecue sauce? You don't know about, get on him. So your grandfather created sweetway? My great grandfather. Joseph Mance.

Actually, we don't. But y'all created it? Well, he did, like in the early 80s at our family reunions, we used to actually get it from the scratch. They used to call him. His name was Joseph Mee. but they called them boss.

And if you notice on the bottle, it would say the sauce, that's the boss. And my grandmother was his only child. Like, his only daughter, I think he had adopted son. But, you know, he had nieces and stuff that took the patent because he actually died in my mother's house. Like, we had to get him out the old folks home. My sister Tamika, love you, baby.

You know, she took care of my grandfather, you know, even where my grandmother couldn't. And he wound up assing away. So, yeah, we used to get that shit off the bone, like straight up marinade for a week for you put it on the ribs. They took the pattern. I don't know why my granny ain't never trying to go after these people

for stealing her deady shit. Really? But she was just like that. You know, it's an iconic picture of my grandmother in the wheelchair. Uh-huh. Ph. F. Rahim, his dad, name was Walt. And he was murdered, unfortunately, by the police in 2005. Oh, wow.

And they threw a big old marks. Like, we really fought the police. And my grandmother was, like, literally 76, 77 years old. in her wheelchair, leading the pat with about at least 300 people being out. Really? It's a real iconic picture that actually my sister sent it to me, and I'm going to post it, but, yeah, you know. There's a lot of history there.

A lot of history. A lot of history. A lot of shit. So you said you're from Aida B. Wells, right? That's considered the low end? Yes. Low end or no end for sure. Idaby Wells, their homes, rockblah.

Extinctions. I was born and living in five. 34 East Browning. That's when my mom had me. And what was the environment like? Was Chicago crazy as fuck then compared to these days? No. No. At all. Like, we had stuff going on. But, you know, back then when I was coming out, like, if you want to talk about real street niggas, these kids that call themselves street niggas now could never in our time. What were they doing that made them such high-level street dudes? For one, women and kids was out of limits.

Okay? Women, kids, old people was out of limits. You did not hear about nobody. Grandma and mama's sister getting shot, you know, like. And I guess they want to blame it on the drugs, but it ain't no worse than crack and dope back then. Them people, you know, I'm going to us people, you know. So do you feel like that taboo is like totally gone at this point,

the no women and children? I mean, yeah, because it's sad. We are definitely in our end of days, y'all. I get real spiritual. I don't hear with y'all, but we are definitely in our end of days because when it comes to this, to what, and it don't just happen in Chicago, like this stuff is happening. All over the world, all over the United States.

States, like we could actually, like, like that, we're doing this interview. Somebody getting robbed, rape, stab. Like, it's happening. Right. But it's just, it's the world we live in. So if people just don't worry about the bad and do more good, you know, I think society, the world will be a better place. Bad stuff going to happen to.

Right. You know, I'm known that's the strongest one. in the world, but I just thank God for the endurance that he gives me to deal with the life. I see if you make me cry, I was going to be mad at you. Well, because you never... I'm not trying to get on here and cry, but it's a real emotional time for me, so... Really? Well, I mean, you never know, I've seen a bunch of interviews with you, and there's a couple

different wavelengths you could be on. There's, like, a more contemplative, sad... version of you and I've also seen the very like upbeat happy version of you I'm sure it could be tough to stay in one mind state or the other I have my ups and downs you know they give me medication for that but you know I try to stay boundless and if you know the word of God and no matter what's around you know every saint was a sin and every sin I want to be a saint so you know when you they're telling me the poor of my hair back Her beauty team

Okay It's just one girl That's all I need I don't want to say a whole team That might make you sound crazy But I just think There ain't no more big mama's out here No

I think that's what it is And people Can't nobody tell me what I can't say When I can't see it God put it on my heart to come out my mouth. It's going to come out. Sometimes I hold my tongue. He put that on me to shut up.

Don't say nothing. You're doing too much. So it's a lot of, if I could say the things that I say so freely, just imagine what I'm not saying. Really? What are you not saying? What are you keeping in, keeping bottled up? Well, I'm really an open person, a free spirit.

Like, you can't shame me. I do that enough myself. Like, you can't embarrass me. Nothing you do. My thing is, what I eat shouldn't make you shit. You know? I have heard that same before. Yeah, definitely.

But that's the world we live in. And it's internet so ridiculous. Yeah, for sure. Okay, when did you start having kids? Or when did you get out of high school? Well, no, when I start, we're going to keep it real. I'm going to answer your questions. It's through the timeline.

Sorry. You can get into me. I was 15. A lot of things happened to me at 15. I was in love with a boy from 12 years old to 15. I finally gave him some. And God prayed me with Jermain. Y'all know I missed Brick.

That's what I was about to say. And I was only 15 years old when I had him. He was born in 90. when I had my second son in 91 and I had my second son in 93 92 and I had my third son I had my first son in 90 so I lose track it was so many

but it's okay though we ain't going to trip us out there 15 had Germain Sheldon I was 16 Jvine I was 17 Duck, I was 18. Will, I was 18.

You know, I actually got average 20 years to going on 19 because when Duck make 30 this year, him and his brother would be 29 at the same time. That's my youngest boy, William. And he was born in 94 November, and Duck was born December of 93. So I was working, y'all, like, seriously. From 1990 and 96, I did not know what.

feet looked like because my stomach was always in the way and these are all with the same guy hell no oh okay sorry hell no all different guys or all clank well well wheel and brick got the same and of course the twins got the same deity but um nah the rest of them niggas they was just niggas what kind of guys are you running around with at this time real street money nick money ass niggas see my grandmother right i had one of them grandmothers who knew i had all these kids she allowed me to be a kid so basically brickman was raised by my grandmother you know and when she got sick in 2007 i got on my shit and i got my babies and she passed away and i was six months clean and i'm going on 17 years You know.

Everything? When you say clean, what do you mean? From cocaine. That was when I was younger. Your main vice? Yeah, that's what had me stealing money out of my granny purse and shit. Like, we never caused those type of problems.

So I don't, you know. But I was younger, and back then that was what was happening. These was million-dollar niggas. I was around it. Then got 20 and 30 years from the feds, and they're out now. Really? looking at me like do your shit.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They bagging me. They got me because they knew I always been thorough. If I wasn't getting paid to beat their baby mama's up, I was dipping off with somebody nigger. You were getting paid to beat, you were like an assassin,

but you would like beat a bitch up? No, I beat the fuck out you. For money. For money. You're like a hit man. Nah, a hit woman. Hicks your ass with these. But, yeah, that's how I feel myself.

That's how, you know, I wasn't a bully. Wasn't a shit started. Like, it was strictly, I had to fight all my life. Like, I remember every fight I lost. About four or five of them, my whole life. Really? What was the worst one? The worst one?

I don't know this girl named Ann. Beat the shit out of me. And the same mood she did on me, I did on somebody else. What was the move? We called it the helicopter. You want to see it? I didn't know it. Like you grab some like this.

That's what I was thinking. You're holding onto the hair and spinning them. Jesus Christ. So she did that to you and then you did someone else? Is this common in women's MMA? I don't know. I bet she ain't beat me up no more. Why did you fight in?

Was you sent the fighter? No, because I was a problem Tice to fuck with people sometimes And she got tired of me fucking with it She's like three years old and then So you're kind of a bully? Not a bully Play too much

A demon No, stop trying to make me saying Like this horrible People love me for real Adam We're just trying to figure out You know, there's a long history Of Shirek savages As they say

We're just trying to figure out How you fit into the landscape I wasn't a savage. I was just, when I was street, I was obedient. To these guys, these Coke dealers. If that was you on account or nod to these real street thrill niggers who was in it to take care of their moms and their kids. And, you know, I had to probably do some foul shit like street niggas do. But, I mean, I live through it.

I ain't on nobody paperwork. I ain't never been to no penitentiary. Last time I went to the county, since in 19, 2014, because my baby did and his ex-girlfriend sent me. Like, yeah, shit like that. Ain't no family. I never been to the penitentiary.

I don't do, yeah. You were just mixed up with a wild crowd. Yeah, yeah, we was wild. We was a little group. We used to call ourselves the fo' fo' foes. Really? Yeah, and they used to call us Fofo Ho's because they was bad. Wow, foo, though.

Is it like 44th Street or something? No, like the reason we came up with this name, we used to call ourselves Fofo Foll Foll Foll. Scandalous. Like Wendy's? Because that's where we was coming up. We was this group of girls from the projects that was just, we hustled, we was lawyer, we was in it.

Like, a lot of our cousins and our, brothers, you know what I'm saying? Like, made sure we was good. Like, my sister did some of the gangsters and shit you are ever seeing your life. And I thought I just witnessed my sister cut somebody's throat. Really?

But the girl has stand her in the shoulder. I love you, Tasha. We're friends now. She probably watched me see this. And there's no blood, no blood. But this is why we learn from my mistakes, and I'm able to sit here and talk to y'all about this, you know. Right.

We didn't made amends. We were kids. We lived through it. Nobody died. Like, from 94 to, like, 97, I think I went to over probably 75 or 100 from them. Really? It was bad like that then, too. Like, I was in the era of the Englewood serial killer.

Really? You know? I'm saying. My cousin Ashley was the last person that he murdered. You knew multiple people who got killed by the same serial killer? No, I knew one person, which is my cousin, Millicent. We called a peanut. But, yeah, she was wanting those rough-ass crack heads.

She ain't played with her. Don't get it twisted. She'll fuck you up. So she was wanting them, you know. The serial killer, was it like a, just was he killing random people? Yes, he was killing, like, people. He was killing people with, who was on crack. Like, you know, back in the day,

persuade women who were addicted to crack was horrible. That's the worst thing, like, that ever could have happened to black men and women. So you were just hooked on Coke, or were you smoking crack as well? I smoked primos. They called them primos. And what is that?

that again? Where you lace your cigarette and weed with crap. Right. I ain't never two to nothing. I ain't never free base none. I ain't never tutored. No.

You never snorted it? Never. Really? Wow. I have a phobia about my nose. Like, I just can't. I was stuck on the alley. Today was a hell of a day, Adam. Like, it's just.

What, with the traveling? From the moment I got to Los Angeles. And I'm like, is it really this important that I appear on this man podcast because it was so much stuff that was trying to prevent me that could have prevented. And that's what I say is a must that I've been here. I got something to say.

Yeah. And I sure got a lot of questions for you, too. I ain't going to love. I wish I had some premos we could smoke right now. No. All right. I'm cool. You said brick was your own.

oldest son, right? And then Duck was your fourth son? Yes, Duck was my fourth. So in between, where's your other two sons? My son Sheldon. That's Duck's big brother. You'll see him a lot of the video, Thadarski. Your skinny boy, that's always on the side.

He actually is the one that established Big Cloud Entertainment. Okay. BC. So that's his, his product, his work. He put it all together by itself. he invested because this was something that Duck wanted to do. So he was playing on doing, like, in his own label and doing a lot of stuff. And Big Cloud is a little different from, because at first he had FBG,

which was I thought you had Big Les who helped found that, or he was someone that you were doing business with? Who less? My cousin? Yeah. Who was, because I remember one time I seen an argument that you guys had on live about the business stuff. No. That wasn't, you're talking about Manny?

Might have been Manny. It was Dutche and Young's father. He was talking about Young and Dutche's father. He's a dad stepfather. Yes, he's young's real father, but he was cash stepfather. And he was a man that Duk Trust. Like he, that's how Doug got introduced to 63. Because when I went and got my life together, that was in 2007.

Okay. That's when you got sober? Yes. That's when I got sober. And, um, duck had to stay with my sister, Taffa, which is Bost Trills, Mom. Because at the time, he was a boy. He was too old to be with us. So it was just me and my girls at the time.

So after my grandma left and then I wound up losing my two-month-old son. And I think that kind of like made Duck because Duck was a granny's boy. He would ride on the back of my great wheelchair. He didn't come outside. And I do kind of take accountability for that because of my drug, you said. But the two-month-old thing was the thing with the fire? No. Oh, that was my sister.

Oh, right. It's 2014. Now, I was clean when I lost her. Okay. That was the first tragedy happened to me since I was clean. And what happened with the two-month-old? My nephew accidentally suffocated on why they were asleep. Oh, shit.

I'm sorry. So, you know, he didn't know. And my sister was getting ready for school. And she kept asking like, where's the baby? Where's the baby? And my nephew was still sleep on him. And when they moved him, he was under him. So that's how I lost.

My first baby that died before I had duck, I was actually protecting. Jermaine and Sheld him because we were in a park. And they used to shoot up everything. Like it was, like I said, it ain't like it is not, but we still had shootouts and gangs were into it with each other. and they would come shoot the store up. And there was a liquor store in the park right across the street.

This one we had the C-H-A police station. We had our own police. Like the Chicago police, we had our own police. You know, so somebody rode past, I was on 37 and cottage, 38th in Codings. And the people that know what I'm talking about, they know it. And a car drove past shooting. And I got Brick and Shell in the park. Now, this was for Brick's birthday,

because Brick's birthday was the 19th of August. So I got them in the park, and somebody came out. So my first instinct was to grab them. I didn't know where to shoot, so I dived on them. But I fell on my stomach some type of way, but I went in no pain or nothing. It's like seven months pregnant at the time. So I wasn't in no pain or nothing, but the next day when I woke up,

my granny's whole bed was like pink, so they let me know my waterbed busted or something, and they rushed me to the hospital. And it's funny because after I had them, the doctors was telling me, because he didn't want to come. Somehow I was in labor, but it was left to like they probably had to give me a Cisterian or something. If he didn't come in a certain amount of time because the contractus was coming. So they're telling me, well, the next, if we have to give you a sincere, if I had any more kids after that, that's how I would have to have them. They would have to cut that.

Like, I could never vaguely deliver any more kids. By this time, this is my third child. And I'm, what, 17? Yeah, this is my third child, 17. I remember you, I got the best grandma, not so perfect mama, a lot of uncles. I got structure, but I'm just doing what I want to do. Doing my own free will, so. He wound up coming, and then Duck was born after him, and I vaguely had him.

Like, the doctors, them doctors say, like, if he don't come within the next hour, we're going to have. have to give you a Csarian and if you got pregnant after that that's how you're going to have your kids. For now, shit. That baby came on about that thing, baby. Let me get on

up out of here. My mama got out of these goats. I ain't going to mess up like that. And I had them and he was born August 20th. Now, Brick birthday was the 21st. Y'all, y'all tell this story. That's why I'm saying, I think I don't want to say I'm a prophet, but I have such a spiritual connection with the God of my understanding.

Like, I literally don't fear nothing. Like, not afraid to die. Don't want to die. But if that's my time, that's God's will, it was written. We don't know how our life going to be. That's why I said, Kyle to DeQuine Weekly ain't die for nothing. because his death gonna bring down the flood

gates of Ricos, gangs, how they're doing shit, how they're moving. That's all because of duck. But, okay, there's a whole thing in the streets where you're not supposed to be happy when someone that you hate on a street level gets arrested or gets charged with something.

But you've been pretty open about the fact. Because I'm not a street person anymore. Now, if I was still street, speaking of my street self I probably would have been active out there but with 18 grandkids and who two of them ain't got no father

that ain't the type of image that I want to portray when I found out that I had the power motherfucker motherfuckerger all you got to do is say this and it's done I'm like is you serious like I don't want it like that you know what I'm saying

I don't want to be like this lady who know because I knew what my son was. Like him and Brick, everybody would be like, you don't talk like the fans that we're trolling. She always talk about Dup, she don't talk about Brick. There's so many reasons why I don't talk about Brick. Because even though that was my son, like it got so bad with me with Brick.

Like our relationship was so, like, me and my son, man, I just sit here and just think, like, in my addiction. I would do security for him Why he sold drugs When Duck really said in that song On Dead Bixies

When he said when you was When you, wait a minute What he said? Why he was selling rocks and blows You were somewhere swimming Yeah Yeah That's them is

That's great rap Them facts So because Because Duck was younger He got to see a better version of you? Yes, like my son is the reason I got clean. My son, he was duck.

It was like, you ever saw the blasts at with Sandra Bullock? Mm-hmm. You ever seen how couldn't nobody keep that boy away from his mom? Even though he was in different fun. Now, that didn't ever happen to duck. Because like I say, my granny raised my kids I wasn't an absentee mother. There'll be one house.

I'd be across the street or at my auntie house. It's one big community, so I wasn't like. I take accountability for, I was just dealt the cars. I was dealt, but I'm glad I had the type of grandmother that I had because she enabled me a lot. So I was able to get out here and just do the shit and just. But Doug, after I lost his brother, That was real traumatic

because a lot of people don't know and this is the first time when I ever spoke about this. But when I lost my son... Brick? No, at Tonyo. Oh, Atonio? That was Ducks first at Tattoo.

Now, he was like 13. This was when he was going to hint it because my sister stayed on Saturday 1st in Parnel. So this is where he met Jojo and Kenny Mack. They all went to the same grammar school together. So while I was in treatment, Duck used to have, they would allow me to go still be a part of my kids' life. Like, I'm their mother.

They would let me go. Like, if the school was called, they would let me go teachers' conferences. Like, because I was real, you know, we just lost my granny. She was the rock. And we actually lost Antonio before we lost my grandmother. So, you know, Duck, see. and all this and it sent him into like

I don't want to see a depression but this is where he started acting out of it. He was in heart growth. That's a behavior hospital. He was in Rivers Higgs. That's another behavior's hospital. He went to the audio home a couple of times.

You know what I'm seeing? Just because he was acting up so bad in school? Yes. Like one day they literally had to wheel him out on a stretcher because he had like seven pencils in each one of his hands. This carlton. Now, this before 63rd.

This was before any of this stuff. And my baby was put in a behavior hospital, and that was the first tattoo that he ever got was my son's name. Wait, what did he do with the pencils? He just was holding him like he was going to stab whoever touched him, but he was restrained. He was in restraints. He was like,

And he got over there. He was actually, you know, he got over there, like, because I was there. He won't know anybody but his mama. So he had me. And he told me, say, I just, you being off-roads, it's the best thing you could have ever did for us. Because he was really the reason. And I smoked primos, y'all. I wasn't a free base or a dophine.

and I didn't see some horrible shit. That's why I say like that crack in the 80s and the 90s, baby, it was horrible. Howard just took the community by storm. Oh my God, like I've seen, when my addiction, I've actually seen men giving each other oral sex. Like I've seen two men. Men who wouldn't normally do this?

Who would never normally do this. Really? See, and I learned when I was in treatment, like when you caught under the abyss of addiction, you don't care about nothing. And then meaning you got a problem is the first step. That means you are willing allowing yourself to get help with this problem that you know you got. But you got to be the one that say, I got the problem. I need some help. How did you get help?

Was it just your kids that made you push through or did you do any type of rehab or anything? Look, Duck came to me one day. like him and my sister, him and his sister. I had too many kids too young, y'all, I said. Like, everybody think I'm 50, 60 years old. I'll be 49 years old when I'm. I just had kids young. I'm not old, ancient, like, unappealing.

Like, I only mess with younger guys for the reasons. I mess with younger guys. And don't be for their money. Like, if I find a nigga, my kid. age and can keep up with me, I'm cool. Like, we're good, we good. But you seem like you have a real thing for street guys. Has that changed it all over the years?

I wish the fuck. I ain't never had no nigga take care of me. Okay. The niggas that I used to fuck with back in the day, they had main girls. So I was a side piece. And I was cool with that. Really?

Yes. I would rather, because, you know, the main bitch has had too much to deal with. Like back in my day, Like, if they bought you a couch, bitch, you better sit on it and don't get off of it until I tear you to. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I've always been independent. Never had, none of my baby daddy's never paid child support for none of my kids. I actually had to pay child support when my granny had custody of them.

They got like $14,000 out my dumb ass for child support because I started working. And she was deceased. Illinois fucked the fuck out of me At least they thought Yeah they had got up And they got to where they Took $14,000 for child support That was ordered on me

But my granny died And it was just You know it's all messed up But Yeah so when Duck came and found me Y'all I was in the stove On 39th in Vegas I mean 39th in King Drive

And one of my friend I was scared I don't mind sharing because I share my stories not for sympathy. I'm trying to just let everybody know that you ain't the only one been there. Everybody got their vices. But if I'm willing to share man with you and you can take my mess and try to not do what I did, like everybody got to go through their own storms, y'all. Like you can't want nobody.

Like I couldn't get clean for my kids. I had to get clean for me. Like, we'll say we're doing it for, no, you can't do nothing until you do it for yourself because if you're not right yourself, how are you going to be right for your kids? So, Duck and LeShay came on 30-night. My granny was living on 9-9th in Lafayette. They called the King Drive bus from 95th and rode all the way to the stove. Now, I'm in the store.

This was right after I lost Antonio. I was mad, y'all. Like, I felt that was my bottom for me. Like, it didn't take me to go to jail. Like, none of that. That was my real bottom for me. And my baby and his sister getting off the bus, and I'm in the stove and the cast,

the last food steps that I got child, just so I can go get high. And duck, and they say, he comes duck. Now, I remember he, like, 2007, he's like 13. Like, 13 going on 4th because he's birthday in December, so he was 13 at this end. And they like, become your son and your son and daughter

because it took a village. Everybody knows who kids was who. So they're like, come your son. So I'm like, all right, I'm trying to hide it. He came in the stove, and he out his finger in his mouth, and this is the truth. story with Lord, have mercy. And he was like,

Ma, I'm hungry. Now, I remind you, I just spent the last food step out. And I looked at my son. And I looked at my daughter. Now, this time, my granny is like sick. And my brother stayed on 35th and roads.

So it's like one area. Can you drive roads? All this, if you look at the map in Chicago, you'll see. and I called my brother y'all and I just was crying because I couldn't even feed my kids and that was the day

October 7th 2007 was the last day I smoked the briemo and that was just after I lost Antonio so now I'm clean and I lose my twin in the fire Seven years clean Lose my twin in the fire

It was one of the twin Yeah And how did the fire start? She got a hold to a lighter Yeah She was progand You know, doing typical kid stuff And I think she found the light

In my coat pocket or something But somehow You know, I took accountability for that I gave that to God for five minutes I wasn't paying attention to my child And this life was clean you know and she wound up because my daughter got two kids by FBG butter y'all know that right okay my daughter got two kids by her her only two kids is bad he's your son-in-law

that's my son's son that's my son's son okay man his mom been friend 40 years like I never knew like And my daughter, a big old gay person. She don't even like boys. Like butter is really the only boy that she really messed with that I know of. She had a kid with him, right? She got two kids, ma'am, 10 and three. But you're saying, do you think, like, did he just have that energy? Or was it once she was done with him?

Like, she discovered she liked women while she was with him? She just, I guess he just made her not want to fuck with no more niggas. I don't know what the problem. but her kids are seven years apart now she went back okay so he went to jail and i guess that's when she started messing with the girls but she always meant like she was really her and jikair was like the best of friends like she got chikaira tat it on her chest like these kids i when they come to drill mammas i am her I'm so serious and I'm not saying like they go out and shoot people when coming I'm cooking steak and potatoes no nothing like that when I say all them kids been around me I raised practically all of young and duchy they'll tell you the line that's my baby okay mellow that's my baby too young that's my kids was my baby I wouldn't know none of them

if it wasn't for duck. I wouldn't know none of them kids. These are the friends, because when I left treatment, I moved on 66 and rose. That was my first department, y'all, first time. I paid marketing. And around what year is this?

2008. All right, so 2008. 2008, I stayed in treatment nine months, y'all. I saved up enough money and got a job and paid market rent. All the way up to 2014, so I got low-end. Yeah, I use all the serfs that was available.

Y'all are looking at me, but I'm just telling y'all about the street life growing up in Chicago for me. No, I appreciate it. We need this perspective. You know, and we had leaders. You know, they like the out leaders and the people we up. So they felt that, but now they wish they hadn't because this is the destruction that they left behind. So that's what they do. They lock the black men up.

Like, I was in the era. My mom was on public assistance. Like, she couldn't even have me in that. Because if you got public aid, you couldn't even have that. That movie, Claudine, you ever seen that movie with Diane Curle? No, I didn't have to. That shit is real. Like, caseworkers used to come to your house.

You know what I'm not. I'm saying to make sure that whoever living with you is really the people that. So I grew up with a drug addicted mother in the 80s. Mm-hmm. This is the syrup. What they drinking that? This is the syrup like my mama used to have a grandfather clock.

And when I was a kid, I just see numerous of two-liter bottles. But they were Hawaiian punch two-liter bottles, just full of purple stuff. Mm-hmm. Whole time, this shit was lean. What they drinking now? The promethazine and shit. She was like, I don't know what she did with it.

I just know I synced it. And I know back then, I know now what it was. You know, like, she had prometezines at least 12, what I seen. Hawaiian punched two-liter bottles. This was in the early 80s. Right. Some things never change. So now, you know, they have.

had the Heron and the Karachi and all them drugs so you know it's different now you got to deal with the Zans and the percocets and the what is it what else what's that shit? Mali

those kids is fucking they self up with but you you kind of like drew a line there between the crack era and the current like gang situation in Chicago like you take away all the dads lock up all the fathers and shit

and this kind of like these kids just turn against each other? Yeah, because it ain't even about no GD or BD in Chicago. Because you got BDs, killing BDs, you got GDs, killing BDs, so it's no structure. You know, and they just free file. Now, a lot of these kids really be guilty by association. You know, you can't be a certain person friend. If you fuck with him, you can't fuck with me.

That's how Duck was. He picked this at. It was either your money or STL. Because all the motherfuckers used to be in my house, and I come home from work and come in my house. There's about 15 motherfuckers in my front room, and I walked straight through the front and out of the back and go out of my boyfriend out of the down the street.

All right, so you said in 2008 you moved to 66th Street. And when exactly did you move to 63rd Street? In 2010, I moved. I stayed in the area, 66 a row. That's like... A few blocks over. I think that's where I stayed either... It was actually 6607 was my address because I stayed on the side street.

And it was like actually on the block where Jay Money was murdered at. But I wasn't living there for years then. But it was like right there. And I moved on 62nd in Wabash. Now this one I wind up. This was the 2010 before I moved on Evans.

And I can remember I'll never forget this day. And if y'all out here watching this, please don't hold it against me. But this is just how I protected my baby. It's like, it was this boy and girls' club. You asked, take 600. He might remember this because my son said he was there. It was Limron and 600.

And we stayed right across the street from Boys and Girls Club. And we was about to move, but a big old fight broke out between my kids and 600 in limo. That shit was so crazy because my antennas instantly went up,

came across the street, from across the street, and they're in there arguing and shit. So my little kid, this scrap brother, he's shooting the ball, they talk, You know how they play by. He was like, you're a bitch. I'm playing my tough cookie ass in there. Like, who you call him the bitch?

You ain't no bitch? And I blanked out from that. When I came to, they was like, you stole on them, Sheena. That's why we had to fight. You started swinging on them? Stolled. I couldn't even remember the baby. I couldn't even remember the baby if I don't know who it was.

But I just saw somebody call him. My little cousin of a big. See, I'm really. real family-oriented. Like, blood is really thinking of mud to me. For real. Like, my family is

everything to me. So I try to, you know, hold it. If I call you my family, that means I love you. Even if you're not my family. If I call you my family, that means something.

Because I don't really fuck with people like that. I'm a Virgo. what I'm saying, and I give off the same energy that I get. You know, it's just... So you were, like, I just imagine being a parent growing up in Chicago or bringing a kid up in

Chicago that as they start to come of age, they're 12, 13, whatever, like, you've got to be thinking about, like, you know, just being worried about them being, you know, getting involved with gangs and stuff. What was that like for you as a mother, kind of just seeing him slowly and deeper into it?

I was done to the fact like it ain't nothing because I wasn't aware of none of that shit that was going on. Like I would throw these kids the lavest parties because I don't care what they were saying about me. I even have, y'all heard the story of Macadoo

like him and Scrap will used to be the best of friends. Him and my little cousin's a little cousin's scrap show. I threw my daughter a black and yellow party. This one black and yellow song with ooh, duck loved the shit out of weed's Califah. And that's crazy how he always represent my baby. Shout out, Wiz, I love you.

And that's crazy. He didn't even know how much of a fan Duck was his. Like, you know what I'm saying? Duck listened to shit like Silken. You know, R. Kelly and Silk and, you know, old school shit. He can sing. He actually was one who can sing. I don't know where this rap shit come from,

but then I thought about it with 18 people in the house. And everybody, mama's in the street. You can't do nothing but roast each other. So y'all really having a family roast section. That's where the shit comes from. Right. So with you living on 63rd, when was the first time you realized, like, all right, this might not be the best area for us to be living? I moved in 2012.

Them kids follow me everywhere I went. No, not the year, but, like, what was the first incident where you was like, I don't know if this is a good area for us to be living? Like any altercation started happening When did you notice like, I don't know about 63rd? The first thing, because when Tuka died, we weren't living on 63. I was living on 602nd at Wabash. So when Tuka passed away, we wasn't even living over there. We was living past 600, past O'Block, like 62nd in Wabash.

But I would say when Kaira died, because she, dad, like when my twin dad, the one that passed away, she was like the mascot. Like, she threw up eos. Like, she was so spunky. Her name was Leandro. So that's why she threw up the eel for her name. I wanted to get it confused.

Like, the baby gangbanging and shit. No, it wasn't nothing like that. She was so smart. Like, and everybody loved her jukai. with Dilan, like, she would fight. Like, if y'all try to play with Dillon, she was like, no, don't touch him. Like, this is how she was.

Like, they really babysitted them kids while me and Rody went outside and shit. There ain't no telling what they used to do while we was gone. But they were in the house. They weren't bothered than nobody. So I figured it was like, it was okay. I know I stayed at.

in them kids' life for a reason. I didn't know it back then, like the day Taquan got killed. My last speech to them was like, guys, we'll, we'll be done, y'all. Y'all be careful out here. And then 30 minutes later, they calling me, seeing Taekwine been shot. Is Taekwon the little kid that always used to be with Jakari? Yes, the little boy with the ring, yes, yes, who stayed at my house, like all these kids. all of them

all right so a question I do have so who was like Ducks main friends that you used to see around all the time coming to your house like who was his main pack of crew that he was with? All the motherfuck don't get me started like okay

where was always him to line and DJ him DJ are young because they went to school together they went to him and teal together and it was a lot of was always there and came up with the Fly Boy game because they want to rap and they fly

and freaking all the girls were going with three friends and they fighting over them and shit like that. That was, you know, but I don't know where this shit came from. I remember one day I had to go to High Park and get my son with my brother because he hadn't got into it with Vine. He got into it with who? With Vine. All right. So I had to go and get him. And this was the first time you ever heard of Vaughn? Yeah, this was really the first time that I ever heard of him around that time. When he got locked up, people were safe shit in that era.

When King Vaughn got locked up. Yeah. You know, when he got locked up for that little incident and all the other hitters that was left out there. You know, as history goes when it comes to drill stuff, you know what I'm saying? It's just, I didn't grow up like that. My kids ain't grow up like that. I'm going to fuck what people try to say. They grew up with respect, morals.

I ain't fin to be, ain't nobody fend to blame me for no shit for what no grown-ass kids decide to do with their own will. They knew right from my own. It wasn't like they weren't tall. So, you know, I was a bad day. I've been running since I was two. Like, I got lost in the blizzard of 79, Adam. Read about that.

The Chicago blizzard of 79. The snow was taller than that fucking stand right there. And it got so bad to where I was four years old and my mama used to have to put the bar stool on the door because I would literally wait to everybody go to sleep and just go out. and two men found me one day. And before they called the police,

they followed the footsteps to the fifth floor. And my mama realized I wasn't in the house. And from that day on, anything, I didn't been through some shit, but just that, from that, and I still remember this. And I'm 48 years old. I remember this. Traumatic stuff you don't forget.

I don't care. I still remember stuff when I was two. Yeah. So traumatic stuff that's traumatic in your life, you will never forget that. And the fact that these men could have did anything to me. See, that's how I was going. You couldn't do that now.

Motherfuckers found a little baby out and looked fucked up. There ain't no telling what they'll do to the baby. But I was blessed to run into some men that followed my footsteps back to the building. And when they finally, we stayed on the fifth floor. When they finally got to the floor, my mama opened the door and they were like, man, we felt this baby just

in the park trying to swing on the swing. So she like, she ran in the back. She saw one there. She came back. She snatched me out their arms. First thing my mama did was looked over me. I would never forget this. Just to make sure. And it's like, no, ma'am, we went to the day

I'd be rapping their coats because it was so cold. And they was like we just wanted, before we called the polo. We just was going to knock on every door in this building before we turned her over to the police. Anybody could have grabbed me. That's a crazy story. That is crazy.

You know what I'm saying? Anybody could have grabbed me. And so that let me know I got a purpose here. I didn't know that I was going to lose all these kids. I didn't know that I was going to lose all these loved ones. But I'm just glad that I'm not about it either way with a cup. stopping traffic like you know what I'm saying

I pray for them people because you never know what they went through in their life they got them to their point so you said your first incident you said duck and Vaughn had an incident at Hyde Park they was fighting back then this was before the shooting shit started you know and so

do you remember what like how he described the situation just because it's kind of crazy given that they ended up playing such big roles in each other's lives no they they was And, too, you know, once he was over there with the Whig, it was called Wick City. Mm-hmm. But I lived on roads.

Like, I'm right in between O'Block and St. Lawrence. And your money down the street, so I'm around in just like, but I'm from 39th Street. I don't give a fuck about, it's a neighborhood I lived in. My son been a gang. He's been a chief. The fact that he went to a whole other set and made of his own, wouldn't nobody be talking about no motherfucker 63rd

if it went for Duck. That's probably true. If it wasn't for Tuka, damn. If it, you wouldn't be hearing shit about no 63rd, not now. How often was Tuka around? Because you, I heard you said that he wasn't living on 63rd. I was living on 62nd. Like, he would be like I would come home

and he'll be sleep on the couch. And I'd be like, Duck, who is there? But see, me and his mom used to be together younger. You know what I'm saying? She's from 49. About Sid, his mom, Tuka mom. You know what I'm saying? She's from 49, house from 39.

We always been cool and cautious, but once our kids started hanging in. He got to the point Doug spending the night over there with them, and he took her spending night at my house. So that's how it used to be all. Little Jade, all of them. Like, oh, my God, and I used to be like, but that was something in me, maybe I'm feeling bad, you know, because I wasn't there.

It's my guilt trip fucking with me. But that's the situation or which situation in particular. Just period. Leaving my kids and allowing their friends to come around me and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Because I would rather box them than have them in the street. If I know I'm monitoring these kids,

if I'm doing them parties, I'm monitoring them. They ain't killing or shooting no motherfucking body at that time because they got, they're having parties. They're doing something. I'm very respected. I ain't never been disloyalty to no motherfucker that didn't deserve it. And even after that, I fell bad about it. So I have a conscience.

You know what I'm saying? I really do. And I think that's how we can reach. these kids. What was it like the day Tuka passed? Because like he's the out of like

in the drill culture he's one of the guys the names that get brought up a lot. The only reason they mention Tuka because they know how much he meant

to duck and them guys over there. So they ain't had no other thing to talk about. You know what I'm saying?

So you know they weren't doing that at first. Like well I know LA mentioned

Tuka in the song Al A. Capone? Yeah. Shandie or something. But Doug also dicks L.A. in the song. And

me and L.A. dad, like, he was one of them gangstass niggas that I grew up on them. He was from my area. Their homes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

That's crazy to hear so, like, PMP. them damn guys like that but when you see something like that like the whole smoking tuka thing that eventually turned into such a common meme is like what do you what do you think of that

and how pervasive has become it's sad because people not knowing that you know this is a real person at first you know you saw the incident with young and me right yeah she apologized for it you know what I'm saying

like who wants to be Duck being mad at a little pumped for saying it back in the day. Yeah, he apologized for it. Like, this is a real person, but they made it trend. They made it popular, and they knew it was disrespectful. But Tuka never did. I probably fought them a couple of times or something. Like, they used to fight that I know of.

I ain't fin to be sitting up here talking about what nobody ain't there, but I know I'm almost certain that. Because Tuka carried their little pocket knife in his extra pocket, you know, that little third. He carried a little knife. You know what I'm saying? I never seen him with a gun. I never seen them talk about guns.

You know what I'm saying? So for them to take that narrative and run with it, the only thing I could say because they know how it would make duck feel. They knew how I would make people from 63rd. feel. Why do you think there's so much hate and beef with people from 63rd? What's the root of all this? Because a lot of people say that it started from Ede and Duck going back and forth.

A billionaire Blackie and Duck had a song called Ede Is You Serious? Yes, yes. Because one of Ducks ex-girlfriend stabbed them. And E-Day was talking about E-Day was older than them. Like, that didn't make no sense for him. 26, 27, I agree with no 14, 15 year olds, you know. But, hey, that's how they do. But Ida was actually pretty cool.

You know, I was familiar with all them. Like you knew Ede? I've seen him. I knew of him. I've met him. He knew who I was. We inboxed and talked. Nothing like, it was basically like,

stop it. We need to stop this. Like all these people, like I believe if Duck and Vine were still here, I don't think this shit will be going on right now because they're my two main voices that I know for a fact. that a motherfucker would have listened to. When they come to this culture that they do it.

But like when you look at how it kind of played out, does it seem like, you know, Vaughn was like the opportunistic one who was kind of like using Duck in his songs. And like, you know, he was reaching this like really big mainstream level and he just like continued to kind of use Duck and 63rd as like me, like the supervillains in his fucking songs and shit. And like he kind of took it to a different level than it has.

been going on before that? Well, Doug, he listened to his mama. Like, I could tell my son's something and he'll listen to me. You know, and it was a time. I felt like Vi was given an opportunity to get his family out of anything

that would stop them from being anything but great. And I feel like he just fumbled the ball. Like he was the bag. Like there's no way you don't protect the bag. There's no way that you don't make sure the bag ain't secured. Like that whole situation with that baby is ridiculous. Okay, like that shouldn't have never happened. And that just goes back for me like, if y'all look, and I'm going,

I'm going to speak on this. Like, if y'all look at these songs that these babies be rapping about, and I'm talking about my son and his oppositions or the people he genuinely was into it with, I just feel like that baby was out. This is how I feel as a mother,

because there's no way Duck would have did the things if he was in the position that Vaughn was in, he would have never fumbled the ball like that because if you realize, Doug McRabber since 2010, I just heard of Vaughn in 2017. So Duck had 10, he had seven whole years on him in this. He knew what it was like to work your ass long term as a rapper,

whereas Vaughn, it kind of happened super quickly. And I said a prayer a long time ago when he made that right now song. I ain't trying to box right now. I say with the stuff that's going on and I was like, you know, I'm real spiritual. My God and my understanding, he might answer my prayers probably not when I want them to, but they get answered.

And I said, if my son got to sell his soul, I hope he never gets sane. It was in 2014. 2016, Doug came to me. if I'm not saying about, now 2015, if I'm not saying by 2015,

I mean 16, I'm stopped rapping. I say, well, shit, what else you're going to do? You don't do nothing else. Like, you're going to work,

get a job, you're not a drug dealer, like, like there's nothing else for you to do. And then when I lost his brother, his protector, I protected,

by some four scenes, some unseen circumstances. Talking about Brick. Yeah. Yes. That's what made Doug go harder with the music. Yes. Like he always took it serious,

but he could have went ape shit. Because I can honestly say, hadn't duck would have died before a brick. This should have be so different. This should have be so different. What do you mean by that, though? If Duck would have died before, like if Duck would have died first,

Brick was still here. Like, for instance, like, that famous picture, y'all, I'm so serious, it went viral of my son and THF Rahim's grandmother were hugging me. That's my auntie Sharon. It's my mama's baby sister. That's my mama's little sister. And I was telling duck because I could just see my son just flipping out and just fuck everything.

He lost Brick. He lost Kobe at the same team. He got all this shit. going on and I'm thinking back like, Lord, please don't let me lose my son to this shit. Because I say, duck, I need you. These my exact words, I say, when the police came and told me that they identified brick

because we were out there for a long time. And they asked me to describe some things that's on them. So I described, and they let me. No, I literally fell out and hit my head. I fell. My head hit the ground like, and that's how I ended up on the ground, and they picked me up. And I just telling Duck, like, please, baby, I can't lose you. Like, no, please, to no streets, to no jail.

We got to do this. And that's where all that pain music came from, that afraid and. And I lost Brick and Kobe in the same day, make him want to get on a, put on a mess and go shoot up Parkway, like shit like that. You know what I'm saying? But he put it in his music. And they kept fucking with him.

It's like poking a bee half. Keep poking a bee half. Like the bees ain't going to fuck with you unless you swing at me. you're agitating them now. But like the fan base of drill music doesn't really reward you for being mature and responsible. I know.

And that's where Duck was trying. It could. It could. Right. It's not like it's a hopeless situation. Look at Dirk. He's sitting down with politicians. He wanted to do something right for the...

But when Duck was doing it, oh, no, fuck him. Big's ass. Ain't no peace treaty. Like my son called a lot of black backlash from his own people from that Chicago legend shit. He didn't care about what nobody thought. He's trying to get his motherfucking mom and family out the motherfuckahood.

He don't care about it. He put all that to the side and focused on his craft. But they ain't going to stay that part. You think when he made Chicago Legend, did he genuinely mean it? Or was he trying to clean it? He genuinely meant that. shit. But if a motherfucker

started, of course you got to make a scene that was about business. Come on that. This is image. This is image that they playing with. So of course my son would tell me like, why he keep mixing in my brother?

I'm like, fuck them, Doug. That's what you focus on. They're going to talk. There's like that whole DM between Vine and Duck. When he say I'm mixing in you now, everybody want to know who you is. Boy, stop.

He bent him. He bent him. You just made it about that. Because you're trying to get your way up in the music shit. And he was like, I can honestly sit here and tell y'all, it's a couple of songs in that boys that you cannot help but to, like, like that I am what I am. I found myself, like, my kids wouldn't even know

that I'm listening to that. Vaughn's on them? Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I don't know. Yeah. They wouldn't even know, and they'll be like, and I'm just listening to him. And you can hear it in his voice, like,

and I just thought that baby was just, when he was locked up and T. Roy got killed because it's allegedly that brick drop T. T. Roy's low. In the drill. In the drill room. How you feel about that? I think it's a bunch of bullshit knowing my son.

You know what I'm saying? But hey, I wouldn't put shit past nobody but me knowing my son. I just couldn't see that because if he would have saw that boy knowing how this shit is. Brick? Would it get on them. Would it get on them itself? That's why I can't shake that. I'm not saying it didn't happen.

I just know my son. Because he was the one I was ribbed about. It wasn't duck. It was brick that I prayed for every night. This baby got a belt with two guns. He had made a holster with a belt and got two guns on his side. What's it like being a mother and going from seeing your kid just being a real kid, a child, and then like them getting to the point where you know that they're living like that.

Like what's that like as a mother? It's scary. You have to pray a lot because people are being put at risk. You know, like killing Duck ain't hurt nobody but us and his kids. Vaughn died, it ain't hurt nobody but his mom, his kids, his family. These people are in heaven. You know what I'm saying? And the afterlife, I'm spiritual.

I believe in this stuff. Okay, so I'm a speaking. I feel it. Like, it's like, it don't make no sense. It's senseless. I be so lost. I'm so consumed with this shit to where I don't even have a life. And I'm not going to get no proper rest, no grieving, no nothing.

Until I know for a fact that these motherfuckers ain't going to be able to shoot nobody else down. called no son going no bitch you ain't fucked with in 10 years. Did you know who was responsible or did you have some kind of hunch before the RICO came out? Of course. I investigated a lot of shit myself.

Right. Like, who would want to do something? Duck got along with everybody. They tried to say motherfuckers was ops and all this. Duck ain't had no ops. That's song. That song. Fuck them boys up.

so bad to where they risk it on. What song are you talking about my dad, bitches? Yes. So you feel like that was the final straw where, like, that song took everything over the edge? No, that wasn't no final straw that, yeah, that was like the tip of the iceberg, yeah, yeah. But it's like, why y'all study mixing in his brother?

This is what they won't, right? This is what the fans like. Duck would have never liked. Duck, my baby didn't re-in-in-in-to-ops, They didn't ran and left their kids to get away. He didn't ran. And Duck would be like, you see what type of nigga you fuck with,

but baby, you ain't never got to worry about me doing none to you or your baby. Put him in Uber's, yeah, but you see that big-ass nigger you fuck with, though. He just ran and left you. You know, shit, that's the type of nigger. I've never seen, like, it was an incident one day where,

Young Money and 4-6 was like this and couldn't do nothing. Because, Doug, this particular person from 4-6 that everybody wanted decided to follow my damn daughter, which who she was messing with at the time, to a party where that number 51st young money up in there. And Doug telling them people like, she with my sister. I can't do nothing about if y'all catch her any other time,

she wet my sister. And they respect my son enough. They didn't do nothing to her. That's the type of nigger duck was. He would have motherfuckers beefing and would be in one room and won't shit happen. Yeah, because we just spoke to THF Bezoo and he told a story about THF Rahim's funeral

and how he basically told everybody. that, like, Duck was going to have to go to the funeral and that nobody could do anything to him or whatever because he had their respect for him. Yeah, they was, like, of course, like, that's his whole blood little cousin. Like, Duck ain't beefing with no 4-6. 4-6 was considered another part of his family.

Only two sets raised me, 4-6 and 30-night. My cousin's an original 4-6, not the THF-4-6, 4-6 line. This, they do this. You know what I'm saying? So I guess the younger generation came up with the THF-406. I don't know.

You know, but I know the old heads. They know, you know what I'm saying? A lot of these people, that's why I hadn't heard of me so bad to know that somebody from 4-6 actually dropped my son location. Me knowing his mama. Mama doing my hair.

I'm fucking with his uncle the long way. You feel what I'm saying? Not like sexually, but like... But just relationship, friendship. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just gonna see it. And to allegedly put a hundred thousand dollar bounty on somebody here over a song, like Duck never did nothing personally to know.

none of their ass. All right, so do you believe that King Vaughn actually did put 100,000 on the head? They proved it. They tell them on their self. Y'all, everybody wants to talk about trenches news and butter the schnicks and the formists and all this shit. Stop it and knock it off.

And that's what I'm saying. They be reaching. These bloggers be reaching so bad, but there's this one blogger, y'all. Good educated. I don't know if y'all watch them. Have you ever? I don't think I've seen it. Adam, when I tell you this man

is so in tune with this shit, I found out from him because I didn't even know this information. I'm going to look it up right now. Quite an endorsement. Yeah, but somehow he was able to get the paperwork on the body cams,

duck last words from the body cams. And that's how I found out that my son last words was, where are you shot young man? And he'd say, everywhere. So they asked him again, like, where are you shot? Because they didn't see no blood. But my baby was hit with a Draco 16 times. And the bastard who called the location and really stayed downtown

and recorded my son on the fucking ground. so even in death they couldn't fuck with. That's how I'm getting with this shit. Even in death, because y'all thought he was going to die dead then. But he was pronounced at 506 after being shot at 426. All right, so can you break down? All right, so for people here, he was going downtown to actually go buy some socks or something for a son? He went to get, they left my house.

I didn't see Doug that day because that night he went home. And my son last words to me, I say, you're going to go home? He stared at me for like three seconds. He was like, yeah, ma, I'm going to go home. That was the last thing Doc said to me physically. Home to him wasn't in Chicago at this time. No, he stayed in East Chicago. He stayed in East Chicago.

I lived in the suburbs at the time. So every year, August 5th, we celebrate my grandmother. That's her birthday. play cards that's how we did you know Doug started fanning out shit

and he just started separating itself from people and he really basically made his self family oriented he had

nothing but his 57 cousins and his 151 great-grand could like literally he was cutting motherfuckers

off completely and it's just so happened it's tragically all right so welcome Walk us through, you said he told you his last words that he was...

That my baby said to me was, yeah, mom, I'm going home. Because we had got into a little fake argument because he was disciplined his son. And I was like, you're not going to whip him and make him stand in no corner. It's going to be either or. But my door was like, Mom, go get your grass on because he already whooped him and now he got him standing in the corner. So I came in the back and I'm like, you whooped him?

He's just looking at me. I'm like, if you whooped him, he's not fin-standing no corner. This is my grandma voice coming out. And he said, this is my motherfucker son. You can't tell me what to do. And I looked up at that big motherfucker and I said, you're my motherfucker's son. I can't tell you what to do. So he's like, you're right, ma'am.

You're right. And we had that little, it wasn't nothing. I cooked some chicken rings, I think, and some french fries. And he started getting his kids, CJ and my other grandson ate and ready. And I say, you're going to go home now? He looked at me for three minutes, and he's like, yeah, ma'am, I'm going to go home. He said he's just like that. So that was the last words my baby said to me.

But I had to get up early that day of the day he actually was kicking. That's why I wasn't at the house. He was there, but I was out with my daughter because that's when I found out she was pregnant. Duck never even knew that his little sister was pregnant. We didn't get a chance to tell him because he got killed. That's why I wasn't at the house. And they say he was laying across the floor in his phone, smoking the blunt. And he's like, because he didn't know, because he ordered him something online too.

But he didn't know if it was going to be there about time his birthday. So he's like, when I'm just going to run down, everybody was trying to go with him, the whole house. He telling him, no, stay here. I'm coming right back. We're going to play cards for Granny. Like, he didn't want nobody to go with him, man. He didn't want nobody to go with him right here.

He didn't. He made, he told everybody, he told him, Juan, one, one, come on, drive me out, woo, woo, that's when he went to the KFC on 75th in state. Mm-hmm. And that's when his female friend picked him up from right there. And that's when he went down to him. All right, so he was with the girl, too, as well. Because I heard a girl got shot.

Yes, the one who got shot with him. She was also injured. And the stand is bad and the line. And do you believe that the dude from THF who allegedly dropped the location on him? Do you believe that that was over a girl? It's not alleged. And I singed the video, Adam. Oh, okay.

It's not. And what it was, see, the first store was Mulanis. See, I did a whole big old press conference. The first store was Mulanis. That's when I'm assuming he saw Duck. You have to be buzzed in there. You have to be buzzed in. It's not a store you can just walk in.

You have to be buzzed in and they have to buzz you in and out. So Duck and two more people were in there. And this guy, And the guy that was with him apparently came in the store. And they approached me acting like fans. Now, Duck never even knew who this guy was per se. He wasn't no op-duck, no opera ducks, because Duck didn't know him. You know what I'm saying?

Two years before that took place, Duck used to mess with his baby's mother, who he ain't messed with for 10 years. So that's why it makes it so weird to me. I'm not fend to believe like, yeah, and I'm seeing this boy lie to these damn people, whoever he's talking to on the phone by the security guy who secretly recorded him. And I heard that boy say out his mouth. First name he asked for was D-thing. Dirk's brother.

Because they were like this. That's what fucked me up. My sister used to do these things. I ask Mayzu. If you ask me, I ain't like, I ain't no cap in what I'm telling y'all. These are all facts. That's why they don't want me to talk.

You know what I'm saying? So he just was a bitter bitch-ass nigger. He was point-blank period. Ugly ass. He looked like an alien. I don't give a fuck with him. Because if that man would have never deal what he did, my son to still be alive,

so I don't blame nobody but his ass, the most. And they got to be the dumbest motherfuckers in the world to take their ass on Oak Street and kill somebody. At 4-26 in the fucking afternoon. So they can't blame nobody. That's why I don't understand this fucked-up-ass culture. Talking about snitching and all this shit.

How's that snitching? You either a witness or you're a motherfucker, um, assail it. Which one you're going to be? Which one you're going to be? I mean, it strikes me that one of the things that makes you unique is that like a lot of parents of rappers who lose their life or whatever, the parents are kind of oblivious or they're not like tapped in like the way you are. So it's like extra painful for you because you actually like know so many of these people from these gangs or who end up rapping or whatever from early on in their life and stuff. So it kind of like hits you extra hard.

Yeah. And it's hard to deal with, like, it was so much stuff that was trying to prevent me from coming here today. Adam, like, from the moment I got off the plane, my house flooded. Really? My house flooded. My basement flooded. And you take these things to heart. Like, you take that as, like, a little bit of a message?

Divide intervention, man. And I know every, it's just, it's, it's, it's. I don't know how to see it without nobody feeling no type of way because I'm going to speak, my man. And it's facts, like, to be oblivious to not see the fucking facts in your face, I'm really wrong with you. Something really wrong with you. And I've been around these kids from Bostril to Jekira to Lubby to Crap, to Mona Lisa, to Kayla B, all these. kids have been in my house.

And I used to throw parties for them. And they used to have fun. So, the reason they're coming at me knowing how thorough I am lets me know, like, what's the problem? Because y'all know me.

I ain't with that internet shit. I got million-dollar stories out. I don't want to clout that bed. I don't want it that bed. This is my. life. This is how we used to live. And the minute my son get on the phone and talk to Jay Prince about getting him out a contract that he thought he had with Sony, when it wasn't with Sony,

it was a dis, a furnishing deal that Cloud Boy ain't got because of Duck. But he's not knowing this. So before he can get his affairs together, I'm left to have to deal with this shit because everything that's he is going to be his. Everything that belong to my son, he's going to get it. What motivates you to be such a public figure when we're not really like used to seeing, you know,

deceased rappers, moms necessarily like take on the mission of like continuing to like spread their, their child's thoughts or music or whatever. But, like, I mean, you have the personality for it. But I think, like, a lot of us were kind of surprised when you sort of popped up and started doing all these interviews and streaming. That's why, Duck, I've been on, I have my Instagram

since 2012, okay? Like, when people say, Duck ain't want her on the Internet, it wasn't because a bad thing. He didn't want me going to his shows. I never knew the way that the world was on my son's shoulders. to after he died. He only wanted me to be safe.

But me being hood and me being, want to be there and I don't want to miss a moment. I want to be there for every moment. He would have to tell me, no, you can't go, Ma. Sit down. Because he didn't want people

that potentially know about you, like, put you in danger. Exactly. But me being the boss that I am, I'm... You want to pop up. I'm her. I am her.

I solidified that trail for Doug. I solidified that trail for Brick because they have leadership in them because they come from under leadership. Never had a father. Doug Dead did he was gone his whole life. Brick Daddy was out but didn't give a fuck. All we have all they have is they mind.

You ever see that young boy interview when he says, how he a gangster when his mommy ain't a gangster. Oh, wait, when I tell you, I shared it on my story, you had to say that. I didn't know that, no. And that man said, if your mama ain't no gangster, everybody wanted to play silent, throw the brick,

and hide their motherfucking hand. No, we're not doing that over here. We're not doing that. I ain't perfect item. I didn't did shit. I ain't committed to seeing God want, but I ain't getting people hurt. I ain't fucking with the government

I ain't doing however way it's for me like my only fans oh my God this mama Duck got the only fan so motherfucking what so what so you think Duck would approve

if you had only fans what he gonna say I'm his mom but if Duck was here I wouldn't need no only fan but what was the content because I tried to find it before I couldn't find it what was the you got to subscribe babe

I couldn't find the link, though Yeah, I'm a sent it to you So it's not in your Instagram bio You're trying to make it like a little trickier for the people? No, they gotta inbox me for it What the thing? You're kind of Because I don't want like, I want to monitor

Who is able to Okay See my only thing Okay, that's fair, I guess We recently had Trenches News on here Are you familiar with him? Of course, no He said, Trenches News said that him and Duck

used to live together Any truth to that? You know about that? Like, I told you all the kids considered stayed at my house. I was like an orphanage. I was like an orphanage. A lot of them kids' moms didn't want their ass around. A lot of them couldn't do the shit at their mama's house that they did at my house.

So maybe that's probably why they stayed around. Respected to the utmost. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't play with them kids. But you don't believe that he's one of the informants? Who? Trenches News. People assume that he's cooperated on because of how it's detailed.

They say that he lived in O'Block from like 2006 to 2008. They set his age on there. So like a lot of people, the lawyer right now, is that... Y'all worried about trenches news. Not worried, but... I mean, about being a conspirator or a cooperative... A cooperator one in the F.EG duck case. I'd be more worried about the motherfuckers

who I'm on the case with telling than French's news he wasn't there. That's the whole thing. It's like, why would he even, what would he have to say if he's not there? I think that's what they want people to believe. You know what I'm saying?

Because if they're putting out this much paperwork, just imagine what don't nobody know. The Feds is funny, man. I don't fuck with the police, period. I left. But I believe, and I'm going to say that If Doug hadn't got killed downtown, this wouldn't be happening. You feel what I'm saying?

Eventually, the killers would have got caught. But by being in such a high profile, like Brick was killed on 630 St. St. Louis, seven years ago. And you've seen the level of attention that those sort of killings get, and it's nothing like what happened with this? No. Since it was more on like a predominantly white area. Yes.

It's like a whole shopping area. Yes. High-hand stores and shit. If this shit would happen, duck and brick, I mean, brick and Kobe shit, still ain't soft. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? It's about the situation. And then the mayor, she gets her buck-eyed, turkey neck having ass. She ain't the mayor no more, so I can grill her ass. I can roast the shit out of her ass. Get on the fucking national TV

and say he was a gangbanger who fancied himself as a rapper and couldn't find not one fucking dirty thing about Duck as an adult. Like the fact that she had that to say about Duck and then met with Dirk is like you couldn't make that up. It's that tone deaf and fucking stupid. And granted she was like... Like what press release?

And then I'm talking to people like real high people and politicians and they're like, she's not going to apologize. She's not going to admit she's wrong. I watched that video. of that woman and there's a mother who lost her child after what, when I saw what she said about Dirk's mother and father, oh, I can tell you were raised with love and... You took that as a direct shot?

Oh, my God. Knowing down where if he wouldn't contribute whatever he contributed to your ass, you wouldn't be saying none of that. because you tried to find dirt on duck, and you couldn't. Every mug shot that duck is out is driving with no license. Not no drugs.

Not no county. The most he had been in the county, he probably ain't dressed up. Duck ain't due jail. They used to have my baby in the police, y'all, when he was a kid for three days, I used to literally have to call OPS to have them release my son.

So it was like they was out to get them from the. I had moved off Evans for four years. They were still coming at time. I duck mama live there. And they got mad at the neighbors because they ain't telling them where we moved to. Y'all don't know where the fuck they moved to, where they moved to.

This is how the police would start with eyes sucks. Really? Early in an interview you said something. You said if Vaughn would have never got released from jail, a lot of people would still be a lot. So do you feel like a lot of... No, I didn't say that. I say a lot of people

who ain't died while he was in jail. Like, why nobody dying as long as he was in jail. So when you saw that King Vaughan, or the Traplor Ross documentary, was that stuff that you mostly thought was true? That man need a fucking Oscar

and drill dynamics, okay? He need an Oscar. Because whoever's telling him some shit, that's good research. That man, shout out trap lord Adam, I'm telling you. You paid for the Patreon.

I paid $5 just to watch the uncut version yesterday. Well, me too. I just watched the Patreon version of the Young Boy documentary and it had a lot of shots that you probably didn't get in the main one. Like, Litt Yoshi fucking shooting a Drakea

with one hand at his ops, crazy shit that's in there. Yeah. Just as an aside. But it says, it don't make no sense. Like, you feel like Vaughn and a lot of the people

that came up in the drill, era we're doing a lot of self-snitching. Like how to travel a ross get all over time. Come on now, use your common sense, man. See, you're not from Chicago. So you just want my opinion about the situation. Yeah, I just got to ask the question. Okay, yes.

Well, like, me knowing what I know, like, those crazy stories used to have me cracking the fuck up because of me doing what I know, I'd be like, how do he know that that happened? The only way you could know that that happened like that, you had to been there. Like, you know what I'm saying? But when he did the took her to the old, I was done.

You know what I'm saying? That let me know. I saw the white lady, and she was like, like, I said, it's a rap duck. You got to do some shit now, baby. Really? Because he got him. You knew that the music was good and that it was going to take off?

He got them. It ain't the music was good. It was just like if, Duck would have the type of backing that Vaughn did. Ain't no telling what he would be. I mean, it was a huge moment and an opportunity for him, too, because it's like you're being cast as the villain. So you might as well lean into it and go for it.

Yes. And it's an image. That's what I'm saying. Like, to not separate the image from the real person, that's where people get lost at. They fall in love with the image. Because a lot of these rappers, It's not like that.

And the ones that is, they're going to tell on their self. Right. I wanted to ask about this. So can you recount what happened with Lil J and FBG? Like what was the circumstances that he left? Well, from when I can remember, like, back in the day, like many wanted him to sign a contract with Cloudboy Inc. but he never did.

He never sang, like, I don't think Billy Sam won't, but I think Duck ain't saying it until Slag got so big, and he used that as an excuse. Like, how could you say you own this? Because I know how I'm learning the business more and more as I get in tune with it. And how can you claim a catalog that you had no parts of? How can you be,

getting residuals off something you didn't have a part of, something from word or mouth, because he trusted you. You were like a father figure to him. So he thought, but then he started learning, and he slowly started pulling away. He's asking for his contract. How I'm going to email it to you?

These were the excuses that were given to him. And then he got on the phone with Jay Prince in my house. why Easy was sitting right there. And he said, well, what did you want to do, Duck? And Duck said, get me out there contract. So Jay Press called Sony and was like, yeah, you got however way they do. And Sonny was like, well, we ain't signed Duck.

We sound the whole label, Cloud Boy Inc. So Duck was leveraged to get Dutchy and Younger deal as well as what you. man. Cloudboy Inc. got a furnishing deal. So Doug could have just released music as a solo artist but he didn't know that. He thought that he was

and that was like... For like years, he thought that? No, it didn't happen. It happened in 2018. He had them and then 2019. He started realizing. Oh, okay. Like Duck last show was August 1st, 2020.

Uh-huh. And he had a show in Kokomo, Wisconsin. And this was the time, I guess, him and Mani, everybody jumps ship on my baby. Why Dot? Then he had to get DJ Skinny to fill in for YDoc because that was the official Cloud Boy, Inc. DJ.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, we at the house, everybody, they meet up at my house before the shows. If they're driving, like, they would leave literally like 10 cars deep, go to the show. Everybody don't come back, but Duck will come back probably with KG or, you know what I'm saying? One tray, you know, one tray stayed with me. So, you know what I'm saying?

It was like, okay. But other than that, I just be young. I just thank God. I just thank God every day for my sanity. Because once I lose that, I don't know. The fact that I haven't lost my mind yet is what keep me going, knowing that I have a purpose and whatever God is using me for. Yeah, what does keep you going?

Because you've seen so much more death, especially like people really close to you than the average person. I couldn't even answer you. I couldn't even answer that. All I know, I know the devil be mad is here when I wake up and my feet hit the flow. because he know he can't touch me. Like, even in death, my son, the impact that he put in and on this real

is never going to be forgotten. I don't care how people don't want to recognize. Real is real. You see what I'm saying? A real person is like, you can know them, genuinely, you know, it's a tree with players me. Y'all ever heard that saying, like, you see, it's a tree when players

me, because, you know, for one player to another. So, man, be so everywhere, like, right now, I was in the middle of a question, y'all, and I can't even remember what the fuck it was, because my thoughts, they just be coming in my head, Adam.

Like, they just be coming, and I'd be trying to say everything all at once, and I have to, like, just slow down. This is what I do therapeutic for me after slowdown because once you say it is out there. Right.

I ain't never said shit that I couldn't see again. What was your relationship like with Kayla B? She was used to be at parties at my house. Like, we never beef. I remember it was an incident where Jesus Christ, Lord. I'm really fin to say this. I threw the kids a party

and they were in their Ackinah wild and stuff and somebody popped a balloon and it sounded like a gunshot so I grabbed the gun and I ran out and Caleb B was in the corner with her leg up

and I'm like, who the fuck? Who the fuck doing? Who the fuck? And she's like, Mama Sheena because they used to call me Mama Sina and now they're calling me Mama Duck before Doug died She had her leg up.

She thought I was going to shoot her some. Oh, okay. What was she doing? I guess taking cover. Like, taking cover, like, once I heard the balloon pop, I ain't know what motherfuckers was in my front room shooting. I was stupid and shit. So that's what that was about.

Like, me and Kayla, that's why I didn't understand why she came at me like that. You know what I'm saying? but Vines her brother, can't nothing change that. You know what I'm saying? But then my facts. Before you was your brother, you were sister crazy.

He's like, fuck the odds. Fuck O'Block, all that. That's happening. I ain't fined how you, or think you got to go against your brother. Hell now, be sad hell to the now. You better ride with your brother. So when did you think,

when did the change happen? Like, because she was hanging out with y'all a lot on, Was it after Vaughn got successful? Last time I said Caleb B was when Liljie stomped her. Little J stomped her out. Stomped up. What happened?

I'm throwing my daughter 18. Like, I just threw the parties for the kids. And we was at my cousin's house. She was actually with Corey, Ducks ex-girlfriend, that's style. that stops him. Right. Who, who, where is, where he at?

Town of the ring here. He can hear you. Yeah. Yeah. I said I want to look our ratch and get on here and smoke, y'all. Well, that was two hours in. You'd be all right. I need, yeah.

She smelled Donnie smoking. It triggered her. Yes, it did. Send me dead off. I'm like, hold on there. We got to hear this story, though. So it was a part. party for her? Yes, for my daughter Le Shea

but the baby mom. And she came with Corey and Corey wound up fighting another girl that dumped mess with named Peaches. And I asked Corey, I say, look, Corey, don't come here. Y'all going to have to

leave if you're going to come here and think you're going to be fighting. She's like, I ain't on that, my machine. You know, she had Kayla with her. This was after the fact that when she found out that Vaughn was her brother. So, yeah, he did. That fight broke out, and he stomped her ass the fuck out,

all because she was Vines' sister. Oh, really? And she was at the party. He was like, that bitch can't come up in here. And I'm like, hold on, slow down. What is y'all? Because I'm already fighting Corey, because I asked Corey don't come there fighting,

so she wanted to play, so I had to put paws on. on her. Then after I did that, I took her upstairs and put it in the bed and let her go to sleep. So did y'all all find out that Caleb B and Vaughn related at, like, one time? I mean, it came out. I can't even remember. It really didn't make a difference to me. Like, I'm not holding nothing.

I like her. Actually, she was through that big beating motherfuckers up. She was a wild little motherfucker. Fucker, gee. Like, that's the Kela I know. She was going with the real. Were you mad at Little Jay for doing that? Huh.

Or was it kind of? I mean, why would I, I mean, I didn't have no feelings about it. It was wrong. I told him, why would he do that? Because I'm thinking, like, you bring a conflict to my cousin, crib now because you just did that to her in here. So if she go back and get her brothers in them, but see, Vaughn was in jail.

So that's what I meant about. when vibe was locked up a lot of motherfuckers stopped dying like when nobody really getting guilt there's only so many people that are as committed to the war as he was right I just feel like there's no way I would have 50 platinum fucking plaques and just still have that mass set that's why I felt it was personal with him and my kids

it really was everything he did from the trod and after his death like he was he was satisfied they were so happy everybody was happy that boy was dead but when you watch that young boy documentary don't you kind of get the vibe that when Vaughn wanted to beef with young boy

that like maybe he had some reasons but ultimately I think he understood the value of beef him with a high profile enemy right and I think that with young boy he had kind of like seen the limits of how far he was going to get dis and duck. And he had decided, like, this is the next person that I'm going to use to basically, like, further my career, right?

Who, um, so he was dissing. You see, I didn't know that. I said, no, and the young boy duck man. I know I saw the video, like, I'll be, free, come fix this, baby. Real, I don't know. Y'all got to do better than that. I need a wrong cone. Who got one of them?

Oh, you want this? It's got tobacco in it. I don't know if he'd like it. So they really do. do that mix tobacco and weed up here? Yeah. Y'all tweaks. That's it.

That's your worst in the world. Now, I don't know. Nobody mixed no weed and no tobacco. Sorry. It might as well be. We might as well do so. Right now you're smoking a your head going to hurt

and you hit it. Well, you can tell me if you like the way it smells. But you're smoking a blunt, it's the same thing. No, see, what I'm talking about is straight weed, straight drop. Weed. It ain't got no mix or no tobacco. I smoke cigarettes. Okay. I'm a Newport.

Do you have one, by the way? Who smoked Newports in? None of us, unfortunately, yeah. You didn't used to have them in the vending machine? No, I don't think so. Somebody said it was Newports in the vending machine. Wasn't no cigarettes in there? I don't think they were.

There was like, oh yeah, you can't buy Newports out here. Isn't that fucked up? You got me fucked up. I got to go back to, I can't get no... You're going to be smoking marlbrows or something out here. They're smoking shit. And if I don't have a squinting.

in the next eight hours, I'm just might as well stop smoking, man. Yeah. I got to wait until I get back to Chicago to smoke a cigarette. Hey, given that you were around Little Jay so much for all those years, what, like, how did you feel when you saw the leaked footage of him

with the transmission sitting on his lap? Man, they didn't this here. Y'all can believe that's him or not. Like, it'd be so much trickery. Like, me personally, because me and this boy, like, this is like my son for real. told him the wrong with this shit.

I say Thug did it. Not like actually, though. Gee, thug was something about I ain't gonna do nothing with the bicks. I would do shit, but I ain't gonna do nothing with the bics as long as, what do you say? What's that song?

Did a lot of shit just a little and a lifestyle. That's song. He's like, wait a minute. If she does shit, I ain't gonna do nothing with it. No way or some shit.

There's something in that world. I love you thugger. I ain't trying to say nothing for you till it's backwards. He might have used some like feminine imagery. But, gee, I had the man in pink hair. Like, he ran with that shit. He was still, like, in relationships with very attractive females throughout his whole career. Did you see that amp up?

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Little Jay got bitches. Oh, he does. He has a million and one fucking bitches. Do you hear me? Like, he got bitches. Right.

So I feel like whatever his sexual preference is, I ain't the one to judge, but I'm not fin to sit up there and agree with some shit that I don't know for sure because of some shit that a motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's chasing it to me. I'm a factual person.

Have you talked to him all the time? There might be him calling me that. I can email him like I talk to him all the time. But it's kind of like a witch hunt until I get to the bottom of it, right, when you see DJU interviewing the trans woman that he used to spend time with, allegedly? Everybody walked to cloud.

DJU, let a motherfucker put some bogus shit behind my name. What was that? He let one of them, y'all ain't seen it call me a rat bicks, a fed bicks. I think it was strike that. You edit that part, don't you? We'll bleep that. Yeah, bleep that.

I was going to ask you about him anyway. Yeah, bleep his name. We can talk about it. We'll let the people figure out who the fuck I'm talking about. Okay. But, yeah, he sucks a clown. You don't care for him. Not at all.

And I don't know why he played with me. Because I saw how little miss the beat the fuck out of him. So I saw how brick. Like, I'm waiting, like, you see how all the Fikes tapes being getting released. I'm waiting on them to send bricks. Yeah. I really want to see because they say that's how he did was for all. every day he beat motherfuckers up.

Every day that's why he vowed to me. He's saying, if next time I go to the state, it's going to be in the bag. Like, my son told me out of his own mouth, like, I'm thinking that he's going to be on suicide by the police. How long the brick doing you? Four years. Four years.

Four years. Some dirty-ass police. That's another story. I'm going to say that for part, too. Y'all got to pay me to come back out here again. Talk about that. But, yeah, man, seriously, like, I had some wild ass kids.

Wait, so wild ass kids. Wasn't it a rumor that Duck tried to kill I guess we could bleep it again? Yeah, bleep that, but I'm gonna talk my shit. And there ain't no rumor. Okay.

What do you know about it? What do you know about it? Because this bitch-ass-thuddy want to fucking play with my son named. And Duck took that real personal. Uh-huh. Okay. And the rumor is that a motherfucker

seen him and called my son. Right? He was fucking sad. Talk about they seen him. I don't give a fuck. Let them be, nigga. We ain't got shit to be risking or losing. So yeah, I gave him a pass type of shit.

I ain't give him shit. I don't know what happened after that. All I know, can't get why he got killed later on at night. So, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. That was the same. But I don't know why he wanted to play with me. What was your relationship with the Can't Get Right?

What's he coming around? I ain't never have to worry about bringing groceries up as long as Mr. Wallace was around. Never. You feel what I'm saying? So, like, these boys genuinely looked up as to me as, like, a mother figure. What happened to Lucky? He's another one I used to see out there as well. Lucky.

I don't know. I pray for lucky every day because he's really going through it right now. You know, he just lost his sister. And I think another family member passed like it was back to back. And I don't know, it's just, I just pray that people have the strength of a lion like I do. Just to deal with life. So doing life is, because death is, what the hell? I'm choking. Give me some water.

Sorry. This that shit shit. Is that some call weed or? I ain't bringing none on the plane. Yeah, yeah, this was some colloquy. It's legal in Chicago too, though, right? Yes, it is. I'm going to do a bathroom break.

I don't know if you want to keep talking. Okay. Whatever you guys want to do. Yeah. I've seen somewhere where you said that, or how do you feel about this? How do you feel about Ducks switching up? What deck?

Famous Dix. What are you switching up? Oh, you saw what I said while he. and get duck. Yeah. Because as rumor has it, that he was only using them to get famous.

And once he got famous, he went fucking with him. And that's what actually happened. Because how Dex famous than Duck. He was really blackballed. Like, I look at a lot of L.A. videos. Dirk was the hype me in the L.A. videos.

You know that? You look at it. LA Capone videos, Dirk was a hype man in his video. And that's cool. Like, Duck was a hype man in Young videos. So you think Dax came around just for the clout and then after you got the cloud here?

I think Dax was really just a kindric spirit. Like, when Dex was around me, he was funny. He was respectful. Like, I can't say nothing bad about him. I'm not going to get on here and make him. But at the time, I was at my feelings. Because I felt like I remember they had a show. Little J. billionaire Decks and Duck.

This was like 2014. It was like one of their big shows. And they was playing Chief Keefe. And Liljah literally went over there to the DJ people and took their shit off and broke it. Like y'all not playing that shit up in hell. Like, this is how serious these babies was going with this shit. So duck dance

And he's in the middle of the And all along just Brum up to stay He stepped back And gave him they shine That's just the type of person he was Yeah He stepped back

He wanted in by the heat But I wish he would have had You know He didn't want to leave nobody He'd been out of Chicago I've been out the hood Like people say I ain't lived in the hood

Since 2012 Well, so, you know, they take this near to you from the Internet and they run with it. I know I wanted to double back. He was saying something about snitching. Oh, oh. I'm sorry. He was saying something because I told you. I was trying for.

A proper snitching for Chicago. Yes. Yeah. You know what I'm thinking? What show? I mean, what do y'all think about that? I think, uh, me as a blogger, I think definitely, uh... They make it easy.

And make it easy for us to blog. Very. And to get mad at child. Now, you know the boy got my channel took down because I posted a video of him watching a man twerk. Oh, really? So this is an individual who say he had sex with me. He posed to be one of the duck ops.

First of all, you will have to know Duck and want it to be his op. Like, y'all will have to have some type of interaction or seeing each other, like how is Doug? You're a op because you diss Tuka in the song. You're trying to chase clap. He's spread the whole moment. We had sex. This is a while back.

I think I've seen it. Who was it? Who did this? We're going to say his name for real. But he was a younger guy, so people were giving you a little, I think he was. My baby dad. I'm 15 years older than my ex-nigger. So, you know what I'm saying?

That ain't nothing. I met him. He was 20. I was 35. Now, a child, he knocked me up with twins. That's what a young nigga do. When the old big fuck with a young nigga, they're going to knock your ass up with twins.

Stay the fuck away from. All right. I also seen somewhere where, this is after Vaughn and Doug had passed, I think you said you were at like a barbecue or you were at some function. All right, at Donnell Jones. And I believe a shootout happened or something,

but you, it was Kim Von. We was at the point. Now, this is the shit Jay Hood ass going to try to spread and say, like, 39 is just so iffy and weird. That's why we don't fuck with 39 like that because they just so opt-a-fat, like they fuck with everybody who was against Duck. But Duck is originally from 39th Street. So that's what fuck my head up, like, these people not even from here. Like, everybody is flipping and doing this and that. And y'all are going to try to say that.

My son can't fucking come down here. Guess what? You don't even want to come down to this motherfucker. His family ain't down here no more. So y'all ain't did nothing slick by, you know, you just showed your true colors and who y'all dickwriters. This is the only... Because wasn't there a thing where you had some kind of concert or show

and there was a shootout as well? Play-yo. There's a couple situations. Yeah. I was supposed to do the Big A, Fedet, he had the show. J.H.E. Fedet, he had a show. So I was a special judge there, like I'm networking that. I got my security with me.

Like, I'm on the stage. I'm watching the talent. I'm just here. I put me on this plug, like, Mom Duck, you will come out. I say, yes, I will support you, baby. Anything positive, I will support you. Whole time, they opts from Jolly Ed is up in this motherfucker. I'm sitting on the stage.

I just see two people are doing this. So my antennas went up. You know my hood antennas. Everybody should have them. You know, keep your head on the swivel. I feel like you have better than average hood antenna for sure. Yes. So I say, okay, now this time I'm on the stage.

I just see two people in each other face. Security entity got so when a shit. shot went off, I was already in a closet. Oh, shit. So now I'm thinking, Lord, please don't let me walk up out of here and see one of my kids laid the fuck out with all this shooting. It was, like, literally over 200 shots to sound. Like, it was literally over 50 shots in the club, but it was more shots outside the freaking club. So I'm like, Lord, when I come about this client, now the security, like, you can't go know where Mama Duck you got.

I'm like, let me. But they cock, cock, it was nonstop. So when they finally stopped, they let me out the closet. I'm still not knowing what happened. I see somebody

stretched out dead. Now they throwing me in the car. They're trying to get me up out of there. So the next day I see it on the internet, they was trying to kill Mama Duck at Playholt. Right. Yeah, I seen. Crazy.

It was just a coincidence. Crazy. Just some crazy shit. So I said I ain't fucking with that no more. Just being out doing events like that? Just a normal event and some ignorance. I even told him if y'all know some shit like that, don't be going down.

Don't invite me to know stuff like that. Now, I'm looking at the birthday. Like, I just do duck show. I just do the stop the violence concert. Jay Main was mad that he wasn't on there. No, Jay Main wasn't mad. Don't y'all let. it hit different when you know the real J-Man

versus the J-Man. Tell us about the real J-Man. The real J-Man. I want me to tell y'all the real J-Man. Before he sold whoops. Before he sold whoops. Do y'all want to hear the story about how I first made J-Man?

Oh, yes, of course. I was first introduced to J-Man. Stain on Evans. And Duck had a room because I let them make a studio in my enclosed back ports. Him, Ducks, and them, They really used to be like all them videos

that I'd see 2010, 11, 12. Them videos, a lot of them was in my enclosed back porch because I literally let them, they say that they can do the studio stuff. So one particular day, everybody was over there. Everybody was over there. So I, Brit and Duck had a room because my son shared he was at college.

This was he was at college. So Brick and Duck with Sherry one room in the front I had my own room and the twins and my girls would share a room because Brick and Duck were the only boys there

so they're in the room and they got he got some girl in the fucking room right so I wound up coming in the front now I know Duck probably told them yeah go on crack right quick

my mama better not kick you crack now remind you I never met J-Main the day in my life, okay? The first day I met was in 2010. No, yeah, like 2011, 2010. So I go in my front room when I open the door, he's whooping.

In your house. He whooping, baby. I'm talking about whooping, wapping, dip, and flipping, and I'm like, what position? Duh. No, I don't know. I don't want to kill a visual.

I'm not even trying to think back that far. But I just know he was sweating. I will say that. And I'm like, Doug! So, of course, he walked up in there like he didn't know what was going on. Jamie, for real. You ain't here cracking motherfuckers in my OG crib. You know, the whole time I'm knowing Jayman,

not that disrespectful, just going to crack somebody. He got manners. You know, that's actually, it's because of this duck's baby mama. Uh-huh. You know, Doug baby mama got a baby by his first cousin. I mean, Doug got a baby by his first cousin. But we've established that you love street dudes. There wasn't a little bit of you that was aroused when you saw Jay Main getting his whoop on?

This must be the end of the interview. This got to be the end of the interview, my friend. No, no, no, no. That was just. But like I said, Adam for real, who educated, he is, he let me really. I fucks with him, like all of it, because he's only one scene like he's not chasing. He's genuine. You know, I give up to all the blog, especially from Chicago, that know they shit.

A lot of these people from out of town, they be reaching, they be trying to figure shit out. And they also have sources here that be paying for information. A lot of it be false, but they'll run with it. Really? You think YouTubers are doing that? I know they're doing it. Really? That makes sense.

I always wonder why none of the, like somebody like Traplore Ross, he kind of like refuses to do it. Man, Traplore, he's a goat and shit. Look, he, he wrong for the coach. But he doesn't like do the thing where he just starts talking to somebody who's like a spy. in the neighborhood. Like, I think he avoids doing that. He tries to only work with stuff that's publicly already out there. He paid millions for that info, so that means he made 10 times as much.

He paid a lot. He had to. Like, it's just too accurate. Like, a lot of that stuff that I know for sure is too accurate. But he said everything in the Vaughn documentary was already out there. He just put it on a timeline and made it made sense. And then, let me say it's the line. And then that's the funny part about it.

Like, he opened my eyes to some shit. I really watched it, and I say, well, I'll be damn. Okay. What's your thoughts on Charleston White? Because I know y'all had a huge jacking for it. You know what? She comes a real thing, child, for real. Some real shit.

Scott's honor It's my right hand of God Right When I met Charleston White Like I'm never I'm never wrong With judge characters

Like people Like You know I have that type of aura Where I draw people in You know what I'm saying And at the time like Charleston I still don't know why he blanked out on me

Like real talk I still still don't know because I ain't never been disloyalio to that man I've never even when he was coming at my people

I had to call him and say Charleston no and you didn't get me in the mix of some shit because since that my people that used to fuck with me from Chicago

do not fuck with me no more behind Charleston White and it's cool we can keep it causal you know You're just talking about just fans? People, period.

No, not fans. You need trust him? Why had that much power to turn people against you? There was rumors out there like, yeah, she telling that nigga all Chicago business. First of all, shit he said about Chicago was true. Uh-huh.

What business is he saying that? Why would I discuss? If it's not the topic of Carlton, fucking weekly wives, I'm discussing anybody. I really don't care at this point. Have y'all met in person? On an interview, he said that he used to give you money

and a whole bunch of shit like that. So, like, what was y'all a real relationship? Like, how did you even get in touch with him in the first place? He reached out to you? Yeah. He reached out to me. He did say she's interviewed after Doug Day where he was getting on Dirk.

She begging y'all to stop saying her name. She begging out to stop dissing her son. Like, motherfuckers made millions off trouble. and my son after he died. But I'm like, how are you a hero, and you won't even make shit right with the mothers that's affected by this shit? That would be the first thing I would do,

being an armory person. Like, fuck the image. I would get with these ladies and sit down with them and be like, look, I apologize. It's nothing that I can do. But how can we be doing? How can we make this right?

How can we move? Like, I think that needs to be done because before you can try to say the city, I think you need to make it right with the people who were affected by what you were saying. You know, that's just my opinion about it. But, you know, everybody won't, I don't hate dirt. I'd be a damn lie to say I don't dislike them.

He has given me reasons. Not to. And I don't even know him personally. You know what I'm saying? I don't hate nobody literally. I don't even hate the killers that killed my son. I am the reason they didn't get the death penalty. Okay?

So I believe life is hard. Death is too easy. A lot of these motherfuckers don't even deserve to die. What do you mean you're the reason that they didn't get the death penalty? Because it was solely my decision. Really? Yes. Wow, I didn't know.

And I said, no, why would I agree with a system that I'm against killing black young men for whatever reason what's going on? I'm not with that. But you'd be happy to say him to do 30 years? 50, 70, 90. That's my satisfaction. I'm going to tell the world because it ain't going to bring my son back. And I don't want nobody else to kill them. But I want them to see how I feel to lose loved ones in jail

and can't do nothing about it or to lose a mama or a deity or a sister or a brother. That can't be life. It can't be to deal with no shit like that. So that's what I want for them. That would be, I don't want none of that blood on my hands. Vengeance is mad, said the Lord's, and that's who I'm going to leave it with.

That's who I'm gonna leave it with. One of the main guys that we always hear about too is Wooski. What was your relationship with Wooski? Was he around? My son's son, like, when that happened then, when Wooski first woke up from his cone, I was the first person he'd seen. I didn't leave his bedside when he got shot.

Because you was actually there when he got shot at the funeral? Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, yeah. And this was a funeral for Dusky. Yeah. And I hear shots like, and this is the crazy part about it, Adam.

Rest, a lonely a big, lonely effesuity, I promise you. Like, I come out the church and I say, and these is my exact words to a fatuity. I say, is y'all got your antennas up? Because you know I'm a hood with it. They know I'm the hood. Mom, I say, but I was really joking, but I was serious. And I say, y'all got y'all antennas up. And I remind you, I got my daughter who was like 16 at the time, 16 to 17 at the time.

So Fetch Shorty, like, yeah, Mom, we got it, we got it. Because I'm like, you know, they shoot up front of us too. And as soon as I stepped around for Big Shorty, that's when they got the five. I was like, fuck, pop, fop, fad. so I didn't duck. I didn't got up under the frontal car with the casket, where the casket go with. Was it from the car or did they run up?

I didn't see where they was coming from. I just heard shots. And my ghetto survival skills told me to drop low. Because if you know ain't nobody shooting that chew, you don't want to be a moving target. You drop where the fuck you at and try to roll or take cover. And that's what I did.

I rode up under the funeral collar. But now my daughter didn't ran off, because she didn't run a separate way, but I didn't run. So now I'm like, Lord, I don't want to, you know, but it was like eight people got shot. And Wooski got hit with a bullet that hit the ground and ricocheted and hit him.

He didn't get shot in the head, like a person who walked, no. You know what I'm saying? So you're saying he wasn't the target of what they were doing? Who? I don't know who was no damn target. All I know ain't nobody

walk up to him and shoot him in the heat. Everybody was running. You don't know who was shooting at him. And that's sad that you got to bring guns to Godhouse. Like that's right. No, we're in the end of days, babe. But is that?

Mona Lisa, let me tell you what she did at Tutu Funnel while her ass wants to sit up here. and tried to come at me. She brought guns in a church against the aisle. Before she started messing with Jay Money, I had a baby man. Who was this, Mona Lisa? I don't think I know her. Jay Money's a girl?

Yeah, this is who claims she's vying, granddaughter, whatever her name is. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So she, we recently asked some words. You know, her dad from 4-6. I grew up with her mom from the alley. Like, we grew up together.

These are people, though. So that's why she was always welcome in my house because I knew her parents. You see what I'm saying? But I guess when she went to the other side, you know, and how could you diss duck? Like, duck ain't never dis you. Like, duck ain't never.

He'll see you and be like, what's up, Mona Lisa? Like, he would never, like, Do nothing to your soul, and that's how you knew it was a clock chase move. It was a dick ride move. This is somebody who would have protected you if it would have came down to. I have people riding on walking up to me right now telling me, like I was in the hospital, they said, your son one day some boys was jumping on me. And this is an older lady and said duck came out the alley like,

Is you okay? Is you all right? Come over here with me. I'm going to make sure you good. Ain't nobody else over here going to fuck with you. That's the type of kindred spirit, duck was. He was a protector, G. Like, he wasn't with the bullshit, but he was with all the bullshit.

I'm just saying all that. Right. Have you ever ran into Cheekee Keefe? Because initially the beef really started with duck and Chee Keefe. So, like, have you never seen Cheekee Keefe? I had done. listening to text. He came, I got the blasting in the crib one day.

He came home, he bobbing in the house, he's going through the crowd, running through a text, smoking on that, other, I saw something on this. So you're a fan before all this shit? I like the music, Adam. Right. I don't like the dissing or the dead.

I like the music. Text for Nito, oh my God. I don't. Yo. I said I was going to crack a joke about with you about Lena. Like, she liked BWs, maybe. Mm-hmm. I like the best about the world.

Yeah? I rock her shit. I don't want to be going on the Shireakology Reddit and seeing them talk about you flirting with me, so I'm not going to say anything. All right. I'm scared. Ring on Lena. That's her name? I can send her over for sure.

Linda. Lina. Lina. Yeah. It's our meme. Shane in. Shane and Lander. That sound good like Alamo.

With Adam Sandwich in the middle. So you down to collab on a plug salt? Oh, make Adam Savage. You down to collab on Onlyfans with Adel? Hell, no. I don't do nothing on that damn. Oh, so you ain't really doing anything on the OnlyFans.

I'm going to be talking about Duck Case. I'm going to be doing exclusive promoting. Right. Like, I'm going to make OnlyFans positive. They're going to hate me. Yeah. He would dope to them free people that's positive, but... It's just a platform.

You can do whatever you want on that. I mean, who wouldn't want to see Mama Duck doing anything sex for a life? She'd go. No, we got to root for Mama Doug, right. See to go. If you don't support Mama Duck's only fans, you're not for the culture. You're not fucking around. Glad we got that cleared up.

So go promote, go join, go follow, do it all. I got to feed my grandkids. Another question, I got to ask you about What's so with Ann Gleazy? The dude from Birmingham or something? He's from Washington, D.C. He's not from Washington, D.C. He's from Maryland?

Some ball in. Baltimore. How do y'all get in the back and forth? Where did that even come from? I don't even know him. He actually looked like a little Richard reject. Like he could have played little Richard in his biography, like his lips, his mask.

For him to be a man, he have an ugly-ass mouth. Like, seriously. That man don't know me. He don't know me, see, because I black out and chin check his ass. Like, for real, though, Adam, no bullshit. Like, I was even hoping I saw Brick Baby. I just got off my next question. There you go, yeah.

To ask him. Like, we have a. an issue. Talk about your issue with him. I don't have an issue with him. What was his main criticism of you? Was it the fact that you were all supporting Duck's music, dissing ops while

he was alive and now you're talking about who said I was support singing my son? Am I correct though? This is what Brickbaby said. So, I never dissed the op. Okay, I remember they pulled up some old tweets that I was arguing

with double old money or something from Obott. It was like 2011. They was fucking with me. Like I say, I trolled back. Yeah. They mentioning me, even Vine, called me a fat nasty ass-ho.

Oh, Lord. Because rap catcher made a post, like, because of the Tuka shit and the bridge, like, he, and they got the fans like this, and we're not from 63rd, so Reddick, not ready. Not ready. rap ketchup

made a post and was like no he shared a post somebody was saying you need to stay in your place you're just a fan and I commented and say

yeah trying to turn everybody against the goat you know what I'm saying some of I'm going to do and his reply he retweeted my tweet and call me a fat

and this is how I pictured them saying. Right. This is a real true story y'all. No bullshit. The man say fat nasty asho

ooh. Rick, boo. No. Vine. Oh, Vaugh. Fat nasty assho, ooh. So I'm picturing

somebody like and I went in so bad on him, y'all, and I had to forget that I'm really arguing with an alleged killer

like this nigga jump out of bush on me for real. I probably need to slow down, but I was so manic and I was so like, and I say, you look like a fan-ass dyke. This is when I'm arguing with

Vaughn, like literally, I say, your pen's so tight, they look like a fed-ass pussy. Your balls look like a fat-ass pussy. This me going at it with this man on the internet on Twitter. Jesus. That's a bar.

And I say, I'll duck used it. He said, where you're going to put your gun, your pants tight as hell. We're from C.C. 3? Yeah. And so I say, my son, listen to me. And I told that man, and I say, you look like a fan as dyke. Your pants are so tight. Where are you going to put your gun?

You can't even carry one. Like, I'm letting this shit pull, then I had to snap back over to reality. Like, you're doing too much, but that's how much, that's how I protected my kids. That's how I can't speak for no other mother. I'm quite sure they're like that too. I'm quite sure my mama want to say her shit.

I'm quite sure Durk mama want to say their shit, but they don't this. And I'm looking like the ratchet ghetto hood mama because I'm speaking my mind. Well, you got the gift of gab. You got to do something with it, right? Yeah. So that's what I'm on your platform for.

I want to shout out my mop movement, Mothers of Peace. We have to talk about that. I got Mama Doug L.E. So we're going to do some shit with that. Mop. We're going to change the meaning of mop. Yes.

Because now people are always talking about having the mop stick and shit like that. Yeah. My mop stands for mothers of peace. And my logo is actually a butcher mother's hands on one mop. Mopping up the blood. I like that. That's been shed it on the street.

Would you collaborate with FYBJ Maine and Tay Savage on their peace movement? I've always wanted peace. Hell yeah. And I'm affiliated, not affiliated, but, you know, I'm affiliated. So, you know. Who do you think would be the most powerful person for you to come together with

that were actually, like, show people that we're really pushing the piece? I think if the mothers just come together, everybody loved their mama, man. I don't care how they're going to try to act like they don't. Everybody, especially if you saw your mama's struggle and not give up and not give up on y'all and just persevere through anything that life dealt her

and still came out shining like a brand new carp a penny baby that's enough to uplift somebody now if you don't listen to the mothers who have lost their kids and don't want it to be this way because I can honestly say God's will will be done when they come to these boys in this trial with my son. Do you think the BD mothers would be open to this?

I've extended her olive branch already. Nothing. No response yet? L.A. Capone's mom. She's rocking with me. You know, me and Tosh, I know her. We grew up together. You know, her, like I say, her L.A.'s

Dad, Big Lenard, was one of our heavies where I was from. Like, they used to, because they didn't honor GD. Bixies where I was from. You know, they felt like girls talk too much. So the area that I was from didn't honor GD. SOSs. So you were a GD?

SOS. Oh, what's that man? Sister of the struggle. Okay. We were sisters of the struggle. Right. So you would be willing to sit down with King Long's mom or Lil Dirk's mom? I mean, they probably figure like shit.

They ain't got no reason to sit down and talk to me about shit. So, I mean, like, on a sociable level, like, it would be something. Nice. Fars as mothers who have lost their kids due to this senseless gun violence. I should come together to save. Like life, life hardships supposed to make you better, not bitter. So that's what I believe in.

It's steady the things that happen to me in my life. I don't let it make me better. I try to be better from it. Like, I look at the positive and everything. Like, right now, like, it was so much negativity trying to stop me from being here, y'all. Like, it was coming from everywhere. My kids.

It was coming from everywhere. My kids. My family. The people who I thought love me. The people who I know don't. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't have nobody to uplift me. So besides y'all, my fans, I ain't going to say it like that.

But people that are supposed to genuinely support you. Shout out to my baby mama, Taiwan, who I needed to be here with me. But because she's at home, taking care of my business that I need at home, she's not here. But you bogus. I'm bogus?

Wait, why? Yeah, because I supposed to have an entourage. I was supposed to buy more flights. Yeah, I have a six-seven. I got a few more questions, too. Did you really think J. Cole dished you on that song with Dirk? No, that was not the... See, everybody took that craziest hell.

I'd say it's not a coincidence that J. Cole said what he said on Dirk's song. Right. That's true. Did you listen to it? How he said he never heard a little buddy until somebody murdered a little buddy. Now you find itself in the room listening to a little buddy's tunes. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, he's at least acknowledging that this is the world that Doug comes from. People getting re-goed. Yeah. You know, that was my point. Never said he was dissing duck. That's just some stupid-ass people who don't, who got an effing comprehension because they, clearly don't know how to understand

and confidence. Saying it's all about Doug is to ignore the fact that there's 30 other rappers from the past couple years that you could put in that category where we had never heard of them and they got killed in some insane fashion. I can relate to that. So that's why I spoke up on it. Yeah. He was talking

to me, he might have been talking about 30 more different, but he was talking about Doug to me. Yeah. Feel what I'm saying? Like, he said he pray, everybody died. Oh, age. Yes, like that verse

is me, fits me. The hook. And I found myself singing it. Like I say, I don't have no ill will towards these people. Yo, so all right. So we seen a video on live

recently and it's like you got ran over by a car, but some people were saying it was stage. Some people said it was real. What happened in that video? Let me show you some. Now, it's this leg, right? Yeah. This leg. That happened June 30th.

I mean, July 30th. Let's see. Because they might have to be in the area. Okay, that happened July 30. Uh-huh. Now, I was really trying to, because I didn't think that he would bag up on my leg. But he did. Because I'm trying to, now, I'm just a ducked's fiancé.

She just got her 20-23. We had to get her another car because she crashed her the car. So he's bumping her car Now his car only go 40 miles an hour That's why I was in my driveway You couldn't even fucking get on the highway with You feel what I'm saying So he's so disrespectful

And he's such a liar And when you deal with a narcissistic For 14 years you tends to know You know what I'm saying And this is, you know The man that I loved who I was trying to, like I would always say, if I'm up, this nigga.

Only thing I ever asked was respect, which he never gave. He felt entitled. You know what I'm saying? He's never put me in a position of when. He's probably been trying to inbox you because now he's making postings and shit. Oh, nobody wants to interview me.

And you're a fine as being known as Mama Ducks Baby Daddy. Like, come on now, get your own way. Is he actually done any interviews, or is he just trying to? No, I mean, he's dissing me to blow up. What Fonnes Tuthan say, stop trying to dish your baby, mom. Like, I'm saying stop trying to dish your baby mama to blow up. You know what I'm saying? I wish him well, my daughter, love her daughter.

I mean, her daddy. I don't want. And I actually tried to make it work. I couldn't see myself loving nobody but him, but now I look like a damn food. Now, he smashed my leg. Now this is what I want to see. Feel right here. Don't get your love.

Where you got me feeling that? Look. It's right here. All right, sure. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Do that look like I stayed?

The blood clot is still right now. All right. For sure, so, yeah. Do I look like I stage? He literally was smashing my leg. Yeah. He didn't run me over. So your leg was like pinned up?

Yes, in between Jasmine bumper and his bumper. And I'm beating on the collar like. You, my leg. My damn leg. Can you get a roll of a bike? They made the whole TikTok. I say my leg, my leg. Right.

And I only posted it because I was actually recording him because when he get manic like that, I have to record him. So I have my, I'm all recording, the whole thing. And I only posted it because I bust his window out with my hand. smacked it. The motherfucker's, shh. Hold for a windshield.

I smacked it. And the motherfucker just cracked, like, exploded. Yeah. So now he didn't went live playing the vehicle. Oh, I'm this and I'm that. And this is what I get for trying to help somebody. I got mad at him because he said, I keep my hygiene bad. And all this and that, like, how could you do that with somebody?

you've been with 14 years off and on because he left me for a woman two years older than me. So while I'm 15 years older than him, he left me for a woman that's 17 years older than him. So this is a type guys that go for the older ones. Yeah, I only mess with guys who like old to win. So you can't fuck with a guy your age? I would.

They don't do it for you. It's not the speed you're looking for it. I need to find me a male me I find me a male me is bust They chill out too much By the time they get to No I'm old, not shit I'm trying to believe these damn kids

Because my bones and my back and shit Be hurting all type of stuff It's weird because I feel like almost any guy That you could start dating or whatever It's going to be less tapped in With the streets and shit than you So it might be hard for you to respect And that's the problem

That's the problem And I always would depend In this relationship like I pay the bills. I'm the provider. And I shouldn't have to clean up shit if I'm doing all that. So why I got to be considered lazy or messy. You know, I suffer from bipolar disorder.

If I see something is not, if it's organized to me and might be messy to you, that's your opinion. But it looks, but this is my shit where I can reach it and get where I want to, you know, he's like that's what he does he's very immaculant he's not a dirty person so if i'm allowing you to clean up because i don't need you to do that but i want to make you feel like a man in some type of way he's a ass when we fuck real talk you know what i'm saying so i try to give him the benefit of the doubt and i tolerated so much for him and i just feel like I'm at a point in my life,

he can't go. My blessing is not his blessing. And that's when a lot of stuff started going bad for me when I allow him back in my life. Since he's been gone, I'm getting booked for interviews. Like, so it's evident

that I don't fuck with him. Yeah, that's good. Where was all... I've seen a... I might have been a tweet or are you ran into King Vaughn's kids one's on. Oh, true. I love that baby so much.

I'm like... Was this in Chicago? Yes. In our area, I stood from 39th Street. Vines' baby mama, brother used to hang with Brick. They were beating team. They were best. I grew up together.

So, Vines' baby mama, we were out in the park one day and I'm just standing there and this baby just ran up to me. And I looked there, and I

remember you, I've never seen pictures of vine kids. Like I say, I've never, like I didn't, like, know who his kids were or to know. And I say, I'm standing there, and this baby

ran up to me and grabbed the bottom of my, she just grabbed my legs and wrapped herself around my legs. So I'm looking down and I'm like, who baby is this, y'all? You know, and

Lee Lee say, y'all don't know who Lee is, but y'all got to know who Liddy is. That's Luma, y'all. Y'all need to know Liddy. Oh, my God, do your homework on Lumairewa. I'll do my research. Period. Do your homework on Lugame, period.

That's why my name Lusine on Facebook, I ain't changed the chat. My real name Lachina, but I put the Lou infront it because it's still for Lou game. Lunatic game. That was our little clique we used to call ourselves because we used to get Lulu. Katie got bands.

All us. We was Lulu. You're in the same crew as her. What? Wow. That's crazy. I ain't know that either. You're letting us in on some fucking lower right there.

So wait, wait, break that down. So you and Katie got bands? Me, Jim, Katie, Lumaira. Like, it's like 12 of us. We just came together because we just used to get Lulu. Long little Drew. Lou Drew, we just made him Lulu.

Man, and this baby grabbed me. So, Lou Myra, like, I say, who baby is this? Now, the whole time, Vaughn's baby, Mama, is standing right there. They know who I am, but I don't remember who they are. Just know they were some little girls from the hood. They used to be in the hood when we was in the project. Now that's not in no block hood.

I'm talking about on the low ends. So I looked down and Lili being funny and she said, that's Vine and Misi, baby. So it was like some in me y'all, it jerked me and I looked down and she smiled at me and I just was like, y'all, first way, I say, y'all fucking shit me. And I'm looking at around, this baby don't know me

from a can of paint. And the fact that she ran up to me and grabbed me and embraced me like that, that was the vying the wishing to me that whatever I'm doing got. Vaugh gave me his proof. That's what I believe in my spiritual self because this baby ran up to me.

And when she did it, she didn't do it once, she did it twice. So I say this, who baby? So I asked her mama, say, can I pick up? And she said, yeah, Sheena, you can pick up. I know you. I'm not with none of that internet stuff. And I'm like, cool.

So I'm like, can we take some pictures? She's like, yeah. So we actually took three pictures, but I only posted two of them because the other picture had her doing up three. It's like cheap as beauty or something. going up to train. You aren't

fucking with that? So I didn't want to put that type of narrative out. I didn't even post that picture.

I just posted us throwing the piece in and me holding her. But when I took the pictures, I didn't post

them to three hours later. And I made sure I have a thousand witnesses and I say, can I post them?

She said, yeah, she gave me her permission that I can post her daughter. And I say, well, you sure? Because you know how the internet is, baby.

They're going to be trolling and getting... She's saying, I ain't with none of that internet stuff. Sheena, I know you. As sure as shit's thing. I posted it like 12 something at night. Y'all, when I woke up to the next morning, oh, my God. She didn't let them get to it. She said, can you please just take the pictures now?

Oh, really? Wow. And I say, that's why I ask you. But she let a lot of people who didn't know or did know her. She probably was getting that stuff from everywhere. Bix, you letting them hold, you letting her hold my grandbabies, or you letting them like family like, they didn't like that. But they can't stop what God is meant to happen. God sent that baby to hug me.

You understand what I'm saying, y'all. God sent that baby. So I call it divine intervention. I've been hearing you talk about your spiritualology a lot, this podcast. It seems like a lot of people in Chicago are converting to Muslim. Are you Christian or Muslim? I am very religious, okay? I'm not Christian because I don't go to church.

I don't wear dresses to my ankle. I commit every sin probably around besides murder. You know what I'm saying? So I ain't trying to, but I'm spiritual with my shit. You know, because them be the most. Devils in the churches. You know what I'm saying? I'm just, I come from a Baptist,

from my great-grandmother being an evangelist. So the seed was already planted in me. And if I got to be the pastor of the family, I will. But once I get to the point to where I'm not cursing, I'm not drinking, I'm not smoking, it's a rock. They better watch our baby. That anoint is going to be.

they already feel it right now. And I, you know, I'm one of the biggest sinners in the world. But like I say, I ain't committed to seeing God, ain't going to forgive me for it. I got a few more questions for you before you wrap it up. So what's your relationship like with FBG Young and Dutchie right now currently? Maybe you need to ask them what their relationship with me. I love them kids.

I mean, you would think out of everybody, they would be the main one checking up on me. calling, you know. You're all right, Mom. Mike, I just recently ran into them at Mikey Dollars Pool Pariety was off the meat rack, might I say. But that was the last time I synced them, you know, we were skiing them.

But they say they were going to come to the show, but they was telling to everybody else, you know, they'd come back and tell me sneak this and shit. I don't know why she put her name. on there because y'all told me it was okay but you know it's fine you know right now I'm fake beefing with his daddy over my son contract and you know what I'm saying I never beefed with them like my beef was never with them ever you know thank God for cash because he don't want before he died he made sure that I was on the right path to making sure my son get what's right for

then that happened to him you know so I'm like I can't win for losing how do you feel about butter recently saying that I guess he's like dropping his flag and no longer he's not gonna... Duck made butter FBG man duck gave butter that name

butter was FYB at first butter was FyB butter fuck your bitch like J-Main fuck your bitch he F YB B at first at first. Duck made butter FBG. You know what I'm saying?

That's my grandkids daddy. So you take offense to him removing it? No. As long as he's a father. I'm with everything he's doing. I'm not against none of that shit he's doing. Whatever they think he's doing, I'm riding with my kid's grand, my grandkids,

my grandkids daddy. You know what I'm saying? He never did shit wrong to me. Mm-hmm. He never showed no disloyalty towards me, and my son loved him and was going to fuck with him. Like, if Duck was alive, him and Liljee would not be beefing. But then Lilj was not, like, Duck even said it on the song, Let's Talk.

You all here, Duck song. Let's talk. We say, GD, son of BDs, BDs, something GDs, what the fuck. You know, let's talk. How are you a Duck fan and you don't need it? Sorry. Yeah, I feel something. My bad.

You think Duck would have embraced butter even after all the snitching allegations and all the videos that just recently dropped from inside of Cook County? Wait a minute. Let me tell you some. Why would he be mad at him for surviving? Well, you see when you do shit for niggas in the street

what they do to you. Leave you stuck. Don't answer your call Ain't taking care of your kids I ain't feeding your mama Making sure they're straight That's what street niggas these days do Send your ass

I'll give you a perk or some Molly or something Send you off to do some dumb shit And when you do it They dislocate their self from you They unblock you They stop doing They just don't even want to be seen Like they was even with your ass

But y'all are the same motherfuckers sending these people out So people need to get their kids you know what I'm saying because Duknell was grown as kids they ain't make fuck up decisions like this every decision that they made

they did it while they were adults right now as these kids 12 13 14 14 15 gets our fucking kids so that's how I feel about that all right and one more question I did have that I wanted to what was scrap like

because scrap's one of the guys that we were out here about early on My favorite little cousin. And I got the same last name here a weekling. My favorite little cousin, baby, baby. We ain't going to play because I was with my cousin at that time. Y'all know me and Mimo be talking to him.

That's big there. Memo called me, text me, check on me. You good, Mama Duck, I'd be like I'm good. You know what I'm saying? I want to bring his mom to the mothers of peace round table. It was a little table just like this. Wow, got microphones in front of it. Shout out Dreo.

You know she's the found of it. I don't know. I'm quite sure y'all. No, I know Dreo. Shout out of it. And where you go, you're going to see Dreo. Yeah. Yeah, and she the one gave me, she was the first one that gave me the spotlight to tell my story.

Fides is after Doug that. I can say I'm better because all of them interviews. that I did, I was straight pain. Straight pain, man. That first Vlad one is, it's tough. Like, this is a woman who's going through it. And I didn't understand it.

I didn't know, because I never been a, my, my, my, my, my, my, my six self want me to think shit like this only happen to people that deserve it. You know, like to, to, to, to bury five of ten of your kids, you would think like, what is God punishing you for?

Like, you didn't lost. But the way God is using me, he wants me to conquer something, I believe. He gave me the will, he gave me the might to endure the life that he prepared for me. And I'm cool with that. So, you know, I just

roll with the punches, man. That's it. Day by day. I don't really make plans no more. They're different from God. You're going to be real disappointed when they don't turn out how you want them to. So I just, I'm writing a book. Really?

Y'all want to know the name? Yeah, what's the name of the book? What's the name of the book? Tell me if I like it. Damage's goods. Damage goods. That sounds far. You working on it already?

Yes, I almost finished with it. It's like your life story? Yes, it's part of it. You need the world. What is that big-ass book in the world? The Bible. The longest book in the world. The world are the world.

War of the worlds. You know, that's one of the biggest book. That book is like this fucking tall. It has probably a million pages of that motherfucker. But, yeah, I'm going to need some chapters, baby. I can't get all this in no one book. So we're going to have to break it down. Now, our miniseries, I can deal with that.

Life story, autobiography or something. Yeah, we can talk about that. I can sit. So all the youth watching at home, all the people that's in Chicago that might never end up in the street situation or might find himself coming to a decision where they might do something that you wouldn't want them to do.

Like, what's your message to the youth? After everything you've been through, after you're just telling us your struggle and your story. grow up enjoy it while you can stop letting these stupid ass old to me and send y'all off tell you y'all are you a juvenile you gonna get out you know what I'm saying um listen to your mother when it all bore down like right now I feel sorry for everybody that's locked up mother they think they feel sorry for me because my son is dead no I feel sorry for y'all, because y'all's alive,

and y'all gonna have to be some stand-up-ass bitches for every last one of. If I was in the same shoes, hell yeah, I'm gonna promote my son. I'm gonna support my son as a mother should. But that don't mean I agree with the shit, because I'm feeling sympathy for the family that my child took. So that would make me like, this wasn't no self-defense,

situation. This wasn't no situation where they were trying to defend that this was an ambush. This was a straight up hit. So it's different. I will tell them this a cautionary, Doug's story is a cautionary tale about what's going to happen to you when you do stupid shit in the street. Those are going to be your consequences, dead or in jail. that's powerful right there yeah I mean now if you want to be dead in jail

go here and right now it's like everybody their favorite rappers and everybody they love is getting locked up so they're gonna be in jail with their rappers buddies

and like that's how I think like my mind it's just like it's so crazy like out of everything that's going on why I would like I can't understand

how the killers is still happening in Chicago knowing that the fierce presence is so heavy. I would be scared. I wouldn't jaywalk. Like, but these kids, they don't give a fuck. And that's sad.

Yeah. I'm glad Mama Duck came, man. This was a powerful interview. Yeah. We make sure don't edit it. too much. We ain't editing shit. Besides you spitting on yourself.

Right. Please edit that. I was brutal like motherfucker. Adam. We just got to blur it. I don't want to edit it too much because that's when you were mostly like hitting on me too.

So we can't edit that out. That was pretty fucking funny. They say Adam going to get you on there. He's going to make you blush and he's going to do all that. That's my reputation amongst the the VMA community in Chicago. Talk about me like I'm a Casanova. Yeah.

That's sick. I am so happy to hear that. Yeah. Wow. You're a honeypot. I'm going to go home to my wife tonight and tell her that I was in the presence of a queen this evening. Oh, same here. Two kings.

A white king. You're a black queen. My heart. But you're all kings. Nah. We all are kings, y'all. We all serve a purpose. Like, y'all's purpose, they might not think it, but it's to bring people like me to share their stress, hardships, and problems to the world.

Like, y'all have a purpose as well, too. So, you know, it's all genuine. It's all, it's coming from a genuine place. Hugh Coole is here, Adam. They really tried to make me like people's in my head. Really? Adam is this. Adam instead.

God, damn. And don't you let them, and you better get him, Mama Duck. If he play with you, you better get him. Adam ain't played with me, y'all, so I couldn't get him. Never would I ever want to play with Mama Duck in such a way. Hell no. You got too much respect. This is honestly amazing.

Thank you. Incredible conversation. Thank you. Very heartfelt. I'm sure Remo agrees. 100%. Thank you so much. Thank you all for having me, okay.

Long live duck and brick. Yes, for sure. Everybody else. And everybody. Long live them all, y'all. Long live a mile. Mama duck. Mama duck in the building.

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