No Jumper - Martina on Why Pimps Are Important, How She Became a Hoe & More

Episode Date: August 13, 2022

Martina tells her story and how she wanted to be active since she was a young girl. https://www.instagram.com/tha_sharp_one/ https://twitter.com/theonlysharp ----- 00:00 Intro 2:22 - Martina on how Don Juan’s party led her to appear on Soft White Underbelly 4:45 - Sharp and DoKnow on the misconceptions people have about SWU 6:15 - Martina “I always wanted to be a h*e.” 12:15 - Martina breaks down the difference between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string h___ 15:45 - Entering the game as a 1st string using all the clothes she stole from shoplifting 16:30 - Having a baby with a Spanish guy who looks like DoKnow 19:30 - Deciding to turn out because her post office job wasn’t enough 22:20 - Sharp and Martina break down how “the ism” has influenced rap and pop culture 27:05 - Martina can’t love a man with no money 28:50 - Martina wants Jeff Bezos to help her be the first h*e to go on the moon 29:55 - The difference between a h*e and an OnlyFans girl 34:38 - Setting DoKnow straight on his misconceptions about the game. Martina calls Sharp “the Shakespeare of this ism” 42:30 - Falling in love with the money the game provided ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! nojumper.com SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Church, we're going. Yeah, we're going to go ahead and sound on off, man. Because there was lessons and blessings going on, man. And we need to go ahead and capture this. Facts. The Sharp Tank. No jumper. No jumper.

Sharpest, coolest podcast in the world. In the world. Yeah, Church. I like how you had sound that off with me, nigga. That's a live right there. I appreciate you. Most definitely. I got my co-host today.

It seems like, man, it's bring everybody to work with. week. So I got my co-host, do know from the crew. Of course, prestigious. We know already. And I'm gonna tell you this. Today, man, we got a, Martini, you okay, baby? Yes, I'm finding my zigzags. Okay, yeah. I'm getting it together. Yeah. Go ahead and get your weather together, man. You need to get you some. I'm just, just, I need some water. You know what I'm saying? You need some water. Very parts around here. Can we, can we get her about a water? Thank you so much. Speaking on this ism today. What you need, church? Oh, we got one right here for you. right there we got one right here for you baby there we go i have the yeah we get her and call one too

church you won't want to call one for the side i'll take this one from you mama there we go yeah church it's all love hey man listen we got martina i knew a man shit just of the game and just where she came from i knew a resume man but you know she did jump up off that soft white underbelly she's one of the first i've got to interview other than mark who runs the channel man Shout out to Mark Lait from man, from, hey man, soft white underbelly, man. You took care of us, church. Yes, he did.

You know, what's known don't even need to be explained. 100%. We got Martina today. A real one. Stomp down. Mother him to the game. Ooh.

Did you get that? Yes. We got Martina from, Soft White Underbelly. And you know what? You was, before the cameras it came on because we had told you to talk about, you know, what Permanent Hall did.

Rituals. And what this ism is, like people want to know what this isn't is. It's a culture. It's a vernacular. It's a lifestyle. Well, before we hop into that, how did you get brought on to soft white underbelly?

How did you land an interview? I was at the legendary Bishop Don Juan. Juan's birthday party. And he's known to give the best parties. And I didn't even know that I was going. I never even heard a soft white underbelly, first off. All I know is Kenny Redd said, go in room 419 and won'ty-wombed, you know,

say a few things about our lifestyle. Say a few things about our lifestyle. So I, he wanted me to go up there earlier and I had a sweatsuit on. And I was like, no, wait until I get dressed. you know and everything so I got dressed straight out the bath went to Mark and he told me his name is Mark knock on the door so I walked in and I seen all these lights and I was like oh man is my titty's right what is my hair right what like it was just like action I didn't know it was like that and so it was no scrimmage it was game time and all the questions was just straight off my dome

like I didn't even know what I was getting into And so they were like, watch soft white underbelly. And the first person I ever seen on soft white underbelly was Ju Sharp. Oh, legend. Everybody kept saying, she passionate about this game just like Sharp. That got to be sharp, bitch. And they was like, no, the age difference. He's a young, you know, the PI.

And she's a mature, you know, a mature older one. Is it her son? Is it her son? Yeah. In another world? Because the man looked like my father. Yeah. My father's Italian and black.

Yeah. And he looks like you. He was a passer. Yeah. In the 60s. Oh. Yeah, he was. Frye died and laid to the side, was he?

Cab Callow. Oh, shit. Like yours. You're the new millennium Cab Callow. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying, baby. I'm trying. So back to you getting on soft white.

Everybody. So that's how I got on. It was destiny. It was just fake because I wasn't looking for that, you know. I didn't know I was just there for, you know, Bishop. Well, you know, a lot of people. Right, man, shout out Kay Red. Shout out to Bishop Dara Magic Wand.

But, you know, you weren't there because you was a hoe off of Skid Row. You know, and I think people need to get that straight right now because a lot of people think that, you know, Soft White Underbelly. I know you've watched a few episodes. everybody that goes on soft white underbelly is nine times at a 10 off of skid row right outside the man's building yeah i think that's maybe the perception that a lot of people have of your guys's lifestyle like you know like the super tweaked out yeah grown ass man just whoopi somebody that that's that's that's a perspective and and and and and i'd be want to say that that was probably the perspective that i had

but damn you know because that's real that was big of you to say that's real that was big Yeah, because you automatically assume that every man in that world is a piece of shit. Yeah. That you look down upon women. You spit, you fucking make them feel less of what they are. But then the more you hear people talk, the more you learn, I understand that there's a whole other world.

It's kind of like the perception of like, it's kind of like how the white people will see a Latino. Like they only see the drug dealers, the rapist, but they don't see the hardworking and shit like that. So I think when you guys do interviews like a you interview, I think when the interviews like that come out, it's like, oh shit, I didn't know this. Because when she walked in talking,

she didn't look depressed. Right. She didn't look sad. She didn't look like you had trauma. Like, like, you've been trying to kill yourself for a couple years. Like, and then when you see some of those interviews, it's like, you kind of feel bad. And then you start questioning the behind the scenes.

Like, Mark Hart, you're still asking all these questions when you know she's scared. It's like, damn. But then obviously when you see certain interviews, you're like, oh shit. Like, you know, there's more to it than what it's portrayed to be. You know what I mean? I wanted to be a hoe. And that's real fucking talk. I used to see my brother's bitches and they were so fly and raw and just, I used to be like,

ooh, yeah, I'm going to be just like her. And then the punk bitches, if you look, maggots that they be mad at, I'd be like, ooh, I don't want to be no maggot. My brother mad at that bitch. I'm going to be a good bitch. But in my head, it's kind of sick if you think about it. but if you're in the environment, I'm a product of my environment. Like, my dad was in the service for 30 years.

He was a meteorologist, but my mom had a lot of children, and I was like that baby, like that, keep that nigger baby, but it didn't work. You know what I'm saying? My mom and dad was split up during the pregnancy. So they didn't have daycares in the 60s. So my mom worked like three jobs, you know? And my brothers, you know, they like,

15 years older than me, like very much older than me. I have a sister that's 18 years old than me and a brother that's another brother that's 17 years old than me. So you get it? So I grew up with my nephews and nieces. Like I was a young aunt. I'm the young auntie. So I used to see a lot of things, you know what I mean? And hear a lot of things.

And when my brother brought my mom money and me and my sister was sharp, you know, for Christmas and stuff, I looked up to that. my brother Rico, the pimp, he was the first man that ever gave me a ring. Oh. And put it on my finger and got on his knees and gave me my first emerald, my birthstone, and my sister, Jackie. And he told us, don't you ever let these niggas run through you. Like, he always was, like, gaming me up.

Like, you're going to be hella pretty. And don't, see, God must have knew he was going to die at an early age. Because he gamed me up. He showed me how to play chess, told me not to be messing with him. with these dudes because all they're going to do is hit it and quit it, get something out of them because if you get something out of them, they won't go back and tell and trash your name. And then they're going to come back and give you some more money

because they're invested. They invested in this pussy. You know what I mean? It's a mind thing. You know? And it's real. It's real in my life. Like, it's real.

This is and it's real. Like purse, motherfucking first. And it's just about that. And, you know, I came out the wound with a shovel in my hand. You know, I was a gold digger. You know, looking, I want the money, want the money, got to get the money. Yeah, yeah. But with rubbers, I ain't being no broke baby around here.

That shit was like, ugh. Like these young girls, they doing that, you know, I can't judge them and stuff. But, baby, don't do that. Yeah, I wanted to know. That's nasty. Martina, what you really felt about, like, some of the chicks. because, you know, me and you spoke and you said you watched some of the chicks

that have came on my show. I got to ask you as, you know, a real veteran, a veteran to the game that doesn't really stay down and didn't know she has something to take care of. What do you think of these chicks today that you saw come

on this show or just chicks that you just see what they do on their Instagram? I think y'all turning into some real witches. Like, this Instagram shit is like, you fucked up and it'll get you mesmerized. It's kind of like voodoo. It's like the cup, you know what I'm seeing? Like on, um, you know. Like some witch said, like some witchcraft. Yeah. Like these bitches just do anything for this money like, um, I don't let nobody talk about prostitution

because Rehab in the Bible, Joshua chapter two, she was a part of God's plan. And when the spies came to take over Jericho, they came to the whole house. Because you can find more loyalty in a whole house than you can in the church house. Because Deacon Jenkins over there might be a child molester. You know what I'm saying? But a real whole house? We ain't fucking with kids. Because that's when it becomes sex trafficking.

We fucking with bitches by choice, not by force, that are seasoned. Yeah. So, yeah, so fucking, I'm other question. Like, see, that what you said right there is like the perspective that people have. Yeah, and it's not like that. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying, but I think that's why when this conversation, like, between you and Sharp or what you did on Shopify underbelly, it's like, oh, shit,

we thought it was like this, but then this shirt and rotten apples that fuck up the whole game and makes the whole thing look like a whole fucking community is just a fucking, like, you know, like, it's just looked down upon. I've seen not trying to even, people may say, try to talk stuff about me, but I'm going to keep it 100 and funky. I didn't seem pimping change a bitch life. like real pimping not these

whole hustlers I mean like the baby daddy ain't shit the family ain't shit ain't nobody got no money in the house and this bitch ain't got nothing but her pussy like bitch you better

you know hoe up a blow up and the whole family got everything she's like a celebrity when she comes home every three months you know what I mean for holidays and stuff like pimping and change

whole's life you know I wasn't that hole that got into pimping and got into this game because I was molested. And God bless y'all who've been through that. You know what I mean? I'm not taking nothing from y'all. But that didn't happen to me. You know what I mean?

I ain't never been molested. My refrigerator stayed full. I stayed in the nicest clothes. You know what I'm saying? My pimp brothers had nice Cadillacs and, you know what I'm saying? Nice vines, as they would say in the 70s. And, you know, it was good. Life was good.

You know what I'm saying? My mama didn't ask no questions. She used to get the money. You know what I'm saying? My brother used to give my mama a hell of money. Like, that was their life, they little sisters. And so I had it real good. And so I used to see all these beautiful hookers and, you know, different stages,

first string, second string, and third string, because my brother didn't, you know, discriminate with this pimping. You know what I mean? It's a place for everybody. in this game. So you know, you got the top notch, you know, ones and they can get in places where other holes can't. And they got ones

that's on the track that, you know, that's where they're comfortable at. They don't even want to elevate to go to the carpet. And they're comfortable there if it's not broke, don't fix it. And they get good money. They reach it. And what about the third strings? The third strings are

some dukey boodies. And they come in all shape, sizes, and colors. Now, George, I told you was in for one. Dookie.

Keep asking a question. No, but a dukey booty could be a white girl. You curious. A dukey booty could be anybody.

A Mexican girl. A dukey goody could be a black girl, a red bitch, a mixed bitch. If you're crusty and you ain't about your money and you just

a dukey booty, crusty-ass bitch that ain't trying to elevate your game, but you're just sticking around. Do you, fucking,

do you allow your first strings to interact through your third strings? Of course. Oh, you do? You do? Okay, I mean. But we need cross-country. What you mean? It's like one might be in Hawaii, one might be in Vegas. It ain't like we all together like a football team hollowing up. I mean, I'm

just saying like, I mean, like, my thing is I mean, if I don't know how it is. What if the police get all your bitches? All your bitches are done? You gotta put them different places, me. I don't know. Who do I say he's just, or she's just, because he's just asking a question and she's just trying to

Tell you one fucking ass. 100%. I'm trying to give you some on-the-job training. No, no, of course. I'm soaking it all in. Soking it all in. Yeah, I was just wondering, like, what's the, like, what's the conversations with the third string and with the first string?

Obviously, I'm seeing that a perspective. When you put it like that, I'm thinking, like, the first string is the ones you treat different. No. No, uh. Oh, no. No, no. No, everybody gets treated the same, but you know what I'm saying?

Them dukey booty's going to get cussed out. They're going to be called a bunch of bitches. You funky-ass bitch. it's all you got. Like, bitch, you can't even buy subway. You know, that's like... Oh, shit. Extra luggage and shit.

You know, that's if it's February and it's Black History month and the pimp feel bad. You know, I'm just playing. I'm playing. No, but everybody's important. You know what I'm saying? Everybody played because, you know what I'm saying?

That Duky Booty might come across a Rolex. You know what I'm saying? And the Duky Booty is the ones that run to the store, do everything. Like, something like a golfer. But they just want to be a part of an organization And you don't want to kick them out They're going to learn

But I tell you later They ain't going to stay a ducky booty forever Okay, okay, okay They ain't going to stay a ducky booty forever Because they're going to learn So we're going to learn shit Okay, so there's So there is room for elevation

It's always room for elevation And that's why we always The first train got to keep it into fifth gear We can't just sit back with our feet up Like you know what I'm saying We got to put it in the fifth gear Because we have to show them an example.

You know, get up at this time, wash your ass. You know what I'm saying? Eat your food. Then scram. You know what I mean? Get your money. You know what I'm saying? When you first entered the game, were you automatically your first drink? I was automatically a first drink, so let me tell you about me.

So before I was home, I used to be a booster. I used to be a booster. So I used to be still in hell of clothes. I used to put a girdle on in a sundress and go in the store and I rode the clothes up. like a blunt, it'd be like this, and I put it all in my pants, all up the side of my legs, and just clothes.

So I stayed with clothes, I stayed fitted, you know? So the first time I went on the whole job, I wore like I had on suede and leather, I was the shit. Bitches thought I was a veteran cross country, and I was a turnout, because I knew what to do. I was pretending, I was like, mm, had a cigarette in my hand, acting like I was grown, but I was 20 years old when I turned out, but I been breaking on guys, you know what I'm saying?

I've been breaking on guys, every color. You know, I have a baby by a Spanish man. My daughter is Mexican and black. Your daughter must be super beautiful. She's hella exotic and pretty, and you kind of look like her daddy a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I'm Mexican. You got to look like her daddy.

Yeah, my daughter is hell beautiful. She made this nigga blush. She was like, you know, I was all for real. You must like the Husky man. I did, you know what? I did. I did. Well, we're all going to tell you the truth, turn.

Because, look, in school, I didn't deal with the black dudes because I knew that they just wanted to hit and quit. And I spotted the Mexican dude, and he had a car. He hit around the corner from the school because, you know, he wasn't allowed to have a car because he wouldn't, you know. But he had weed. And I used to, like, help him roll, like, 200 joints so we could sell him at lunch. And that's who I went with, because my brother's always taught me, don't fuck what motherfuckers. they're going to try to fuck you and, you know, leave you for dead.

So I used to be looking at the big picture like, I'm going with the Mexican. He's the shit. Hell yeah. And guess what? I made him black. I don't even like this conversation. I know, I did. You know, he used to take me shopping and I used to buy.

He's like, yeah, nigga, you hear this? Right. He won up now, nigga. Right. He won up now. Yes. Brown boys up one. Blasie.

You look at Blasio over there, smiling like a motherfuckeruggy. Right. And I took him to the store, bought him all kind of out. office, well, he bought it, you know. But I picked out stuff. And I just had him fly. And he didn't talk to no girls. He was in check.

He already knew. Martina, my girlfriend. Damn, but maybe I need me a black girl. You do? Maybe. What you think about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think about dating outside, you know what I'm saying?

Well, I'm open to everything. I was tall at a very young age by my mom and my dad when he was around. So never, you know? Whoever you fuck with is who you fuck with. Right. Just because you ain't black like this. Don't mean you ain't black like these. Right.

I have a question. When you decided to get into the game, were your brothers around to see it? They were cross-country, and I turned out in San Francisco, and I turned out with this white girl and Italian girl, and they was like top-notch bitches. And I went to San Francisco with them,

and the first night, I made $500. It was June 1st, 1985 on a Saturday. And the city was lit. I wasn't even boring you. And guess what? Bitches was dating for two-digit midgets. I was asking for a hundred. So that was like big money back then.

I was getting white girl money. You know what I mean? And I was like, like I was saying, I was a booster. So I was like dressed. I was like fitted. And I looked like money. So, you know, tricks knew they had to pay the money. Yeah.

Yeah, pay the price. Yeah. For you, you coming into the game, Who was Martina before you even thought about even stepping down on a hostel? I was a booster and I was a mother and I was a good mother, you know what I mean? What made you turn out? I needed money and my job at the post office, store and mail wasn't doing it. So these girls, I knew the white girl and Italian girl, they kept going out of town.

They was coming up. They had money. The girl bought a continental, and I was like, hmm, what you? I didn't know what they was doing, but I was like, I'm going to go with y'all. So I went with them, and I was going with them on the weekend, and the weekend went from just full-blown home, and that's when I met Kurt. You know what I mean? God bless the day, Curtis Good out of Berkeley.

Yeah, he was my folks, you know, and he was a finesse pen. Yeah. He was real cool, calm, didn't, you know, he wasn't guerrilla. Yeah. But he was, he treated me so good. like, oh my God, he treated me so good. And then he got really sick, and he had a heart transplant, and he passed away.

So Kenny Red, I got with Kenny Red. And it was a whole other ball game. But it wasn't like I couldn't take it because my brother had bitches like Kenny Red. You know what I'm saying? My brother had a cold-blooded thief. She was so cold-blooded. Her name was the terrorizer.

My pimp brother, Reggie Rose. And she used to be stealing. He used to be having, like, big old fat traps. And then she used to be teasing his other whole. and calling them flatbackers. Like, bitch, you're a flatbacker, bitch. You'll never get money like me, bitch. Oh, damn.

So she was like dumbing them down, making them feel like shit. Yeah. Yeah. That was, and I'm, and she was a ducky booty. That's the name of the game. So you have to understand something, man.

Even when Pymns got into it, man, it was word smiths. It was, nigga, who can cut who amongst gentlemen. Uh-huh. You know, you put your game to the test. You know, you put, nigga, all your tools and all your jewels, everything. See, when I watch the niggas sit there and want to just put it in the camera,

nah, nigger, come put it in the streets. You might get beat. That's what's going to hurt a, nigga. See, it's easy to put it on the camera and niggas want to sit there and floss and do all that extra shit. But, nigga, come out on the street and see what that shit really do for you, man. When you see a nigga ride up, yeah, you might be riding 550. But watch this nigga come up on you, nigga, S-6-3, nigga, AMG, and bust your motherfucker head and tell you, nigga, you ain't working hard enough.

And, he don't even know what you did to get that. Come outside and come play It's a little bit different church When you ride up nigga You think you King Kong nigga Nigger donkey Kong nigga And a nigga showed you nigga who Godzilla It's different bro

It's funny Because like I noticed that You know squares and motherfuckers like that Right there laugh And motherfuckers like you know Who I came from Or people like herself came from But nigga we had moaning everybody

Yeah It was niggas even rappers Knicker biting off the jewelry Or how pimps and people like that Holes and And bitches they even act like they thought about today, nigga, they took the game from somewhere. The isn't been around before rap. You know how long the isn't been around?

Yeah. The isn't probably been around longer than the Illuminati. But we have different rituals. You know, it's always a ritual to a secret society that we live in. Isom is a secret society. It's a culture. It's a vernacular. But it's a ritual that goes with it.

and it takes money. You have to have money. You have to have choosing fees to get with that pimping. For who's allowed to teach the ism without approval? Who is allowed to teach the ism? Because like how you were just saying this motherfuckers, I think they're doing it, but they're not doing that. Like who's allowed to be able to, like, what makes you?

You can't stop nobody from thinking that they know what they know when they calling themselves kicking something to somebody. They don't really know no business or even have any business even talking about. Church, all you can know is how to separate the real from the fake. You know, if you've been around it enough, man, everybody make mistakes. Church, you're going to make mistakes even believing in the people. That's why I say, man, your best game at the end of the day is you. Because you can't live like me, Jack.

You can't live like her. You can't live like the next or the rest. All you can do is maybe take a piece from us and go and make it on your own shoe. utilize it to you know what I'm saying you you could never I can never be you church I can land in the same fucking position that you landed in tomorrow and it might not happen the same for me even though it's the same type of situation definition it's not going to be the same outcome because different people I'm treating it different or I'm doing something different you know what I'm saying in that mix that I that you did that I might not have did or something that you did I didn't

I didn't do or could it probably got me out who knows you know what I'm saying but I didn't do what you did. You know what I'm saying? We're all different people for a reason. And that's why I thought to tell people, man, like for the game itself and for people that came from it, man, nothing was by force. You know, people need to understand that, man, you know, especially when I played it.

It was never by force. You never forced a woman to do anything. Because I wasn't forced. I wanted to be in the organization. I loved, I loved it. Kenny was just so fly with his cars and his raw holes. He had thieves. He had first, second, third, string. and he had fun with his bitches

and we was getting money in the 80s, it was like, it was just getting money and Mary and Barry was over there in D.C. smoking crack with Rashida, you know what I mean? So we was just the city was open, the police, they were tricket, everybody was just cricket. You know what it was just getting this money

but it's totally different now. Yeah. Totally different now. It's like these people make their own rules and it's like everybody used the word pimp and holes so loosely. And he's like, oh, she's a hole. That bitch is fuck for free. That bitch is a slut.

The fuck? I don't like that. That pisses me off. That really just grinds my gear when somebody called a bitch a hoe. And she ain't getting my. Holes get money. Hull is short for hooker. Okay?

Damn, I never knew that. Yeah. That's crazy. You don't know now, Judge. Yeah, no, that's crazy. You know, I hear from somebody who does it way before we ain't. Because your holes get money and they clean and they use brothers and they smell good. There's whores out there that just be fucking for blunts and Taco Bell or a purse, you know, some shit like that.

Them is some slut, some whores. Why would you give your coochie for free? Like, that just bothers me. Like, even if I was married, my husband, he don't get my new car I want. I'm turning my back on them. So love doesn't play a factor in your life? I'm jumping off his dick off of the chandelier

and I'm going to do a hard wheel and land on his dick if he do me right. I pay the cost to be the boss so I know how to freak up. Yeah. I know how to do the main. You ever had that church?

A chandelier? I've never even had a house. Hey, pretty much she asks you, church, you ever had your dick suck from the back? I bet you ain't never had that. Close, close. He's looking at her like, damn, she'd do that? All that.

I never had that. I never had that. I never had that. But a number at that point, huh? Damn, she sucked your dick in front of that. Yes, you'd be like, baby, but you want what you want, what you want. I'm telling you. So love doesn't play a factor?

Love does sometimes. So this makes a guy that you fell in love with. Like, I loved him. But he had to have money. He did. Oh, but he did it. But what if he did it? I wouldn't have fucked with him.

Oh. Think about that. church? She's kind of fuck them. I need, you know what? No, I get it. I get it, but what I'm saying is like, I need some therapy, you guys. I do need some therapy, but I'm still going to be a happy hooker.

Yeah. Because I'm a happy bitch. I take lemons and turn it into lemon aid. I'm not no bitter bitch. You know, that shit make you look old. That shit would rot you in the inside. You got to just leave it at the altar and keep it moving. Stay prayed up, paid up, and keep it moving.

Because it would take you down. You know, God give you only 24 hours in the day. You're going to use them 24 hours to be negative, be crying, over a door that's closed, and he got five more doors open for you. You better tap into the spirit world, May. I got to, you know, I got to go ahead and chime in with you on that one. Because, you know, I notice a lot of people get stuck on things that they think that are going to be for the rest of their life. But you have to understand that, you know, sometimes.

things are only a stepping stone or what you really make of it. You know, even if you feel like your value ain't getting held, man, where you at the time or whatever, it doesn't really matter, man. You know, as long as you know your value and how you can really see your foreseeable future come fit. You know, people don't really do that, man. People don't, you know, oh, I'm only as good as what the next person say I am.

Man, fuck that. No, yeah. Fuck that. Fuck that. Fuck that. I want to meet Jeff Bezo. I want to be the first hole to go to the moon. And I believe I can.

Yeah, why not? I want to be the first hope. Manifest that shit. To be on the moon. Jeff Bezo, take me there. All that man. Bezos. I'm going to get you right, baby.

Don't worry about it. That's why I'm here. And he likes the, he has a Mexican girlfriend, and I like him. And he goes to the, you know, he goes to the, you know, the urban areas and find smart children and give them good opportunities. You know, I like that man. But I just wish he would just let me go to the moon and open up a magnum. Jeff Bezos, man, you got somebody that's out here looking for you, church.

If you thought, man, nobody loved you. Hey, man, this woman right here, man, she's looking for you today, tonight and tomorrow. In the daytime with a flashlight. I'm going to ask you, you know, because people think that it's so watered down. You know, and it has become a watered down game. What do you think of the only fans' chicks? Like, you know what I'm saying? The chicks that are doing only fans and, you know, things like that, you know, porn.

I was watching this show called Badass's with Natalie Nunn. And one girl was on there and she was like getting at the white girl. Like, are you an escort? But she are only fans, like sucking things, doing all kinds of stuff, I guess, because no one's touching her, it makes what she's doing not gross. Because what you're doing is gross. But you want to try to knock her because she's an escort or she is stripper and she gets to the money. As long as she using safe sex, I say, do your thing.

Safe sex is everything. Safe sex is everything. All that doing something strange for some change. I don't believe in it. Martin, has there ever been a time that you've slipped up, and you know you just being out in the game when you was, was there ever a time that you slipped up, you know, and you let a trick hit it with nothing with no rubble?

Hell no! The fuck! I thought I was expecting a different angle. That shit. Hell to the, no, I'm in control of my tricks. I don't let no trick just do me. Motherfucking, get on the, lay on the bed. Put this thing out, put the rubber on it a couple of times.

Come on, you ready? And I was looking at the ceiling like, ooh, yeah, Kenny gonna be happy. Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, here ya. The fuck. Got a miss day, hey, man. The miss here and this shit. It was like, we always had that one little filthy bitch that would do nasty stuff with tricks in my day.

But all the holes, I know, they was like real, full-fledged holes that didn't use rubbers and didn't do certain things. Like, it was just certain rules that you just didn't do. Yeah. Did you ever fall in love with a trick? Hell no, I'd be mad when they stopped fucking with me And the money gone Then my heart be broke like, fuck, I missed that trick. Damn!

Go ahead, churchmore and ask him all. Anything he was curious of my eye. Anything he was curious of all. Especially if he was a good trick and was giving me good ass money and then he cut me off like I had a good ass trick that was giving me good money and he went to Japan and left me and he served me to news. He served you the news and I'm not going to be able to give you no more money

This is going to be the last money I give you I was sick What was your And for this is a question I always wanted to ask Sharp as well Like What was your guys take on

On Fuck, what's that movie Where they made pimping look super Like damn this is not it Is it hustle and flow The rap flow Is it that one? That was a

When he had the bitches and all that, that shit was not. The Whop that tree. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got nothing to listen to me, homie. Shout out to Memphis. Shout out to Memphis, man. You know, and culture is culture. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

You know, I just think it's different cultures for how certain things land. Okay, so that was, so I was gonna be my, so each state has his own thing. I mean, they got their own culture. However, they feel like they, they, that was on some third string shit. They got some first class.

They got some pimps about a Memphis that's, They got some real, hey, man, they got some real stop downs, hey, man. Shout out to Memphis, Tennessee. Because I know some of the real ones around there, man, really is moving. That shit was just a movie.

That shit was just a movie. Yeah, yeah. Fucking, that's always, because, you know, let me tell you. They got some shit like that going on in Oakland. They got some shit like they're going on in L.A. I was doing it before that movie even came out. So all the little comments and shit that you'd be seeing

that might have made you even ask that question, trust me, we could dead that one right here now. Nigga, I was doing it before that movie even came out before it was even thought about. Yeah, because I always assume, like, damn, why don't they, why don't they just leave that house is hot like a motherfucker?

Or why it's just, it's just, what is wrong? They were sweating and my perspective, because when you read certain books so when I was in juvenile hall, I read like a lot of books, right? So there was books about like Malcolm X and shit. When he was doing the,

what you guys say, the Islam, and then I read other books. Did you read, uh, film or did you read, um, Iceberg Slim? I didn't read that one. Okay. Did you read Donald Goins?

You might need to read that one. I might need to read that. So when you assume, you always assume like, yeah, it's business, but you also got to take care of show and provide. And then that movie just made it seem like they were all down bad. Like they need to get a job at the store. Can I ask you a question for you? Yes, yes. What if people just so happens, right?

Off the whim actually did the things that we might have talked about. or have portrayed through these cameras, right? What if people that were doing things like that actually did it just to have a better life? What if we were actually doing it to try to live normal? Because we see how doctors and lawyers live. We see how politics and governors and, you know, politicians and governors and people like that.

We see how they live. What if we just want a piece of that too, but we don't got the same type of resources that they may have had because it seems like to me, and I don't want to get too deep into politics. But it seems like to me it's not about what you know. It's who you know. You don't have to go to college for eight, nine years, man, to become something like that.

You can be somebody's long-lost relative. And as long as you was in the bloodline and they cousin grew up with your cousin and all, and we're all family and all that. They bring you in. Me and you will never have that same type of outlook. So that's why you're like, damn, you know why do certain people do what they do. We know why we do what we do, man. even when you might not always understand it.

100% you know. Like, oh my God, that's why I call him the Shakespeare of this. Even when you might not always understand it. So you're asking me. Yeah, yeah,

so you're asking, your question is basically like, what do you feel about people do what you guys do and have done. Yeah, and have done. Because I'm retired. Yeah, yeah, I think.

I'm just speaking on it. I'm retired. I think just like, I think like even like example, like I think the, bro, for every game, there's going to be a rotten apple that's going to make everything look bad.

How I said the example earlier, I remember, like, I remember, like, Trump always used to say about Mexicans, like, they're drug dealers and they're rapists. And I'm like, motherfucker, my mom work hard. My mom clean houses and she worked hard. Pays her taxes and then shit like that. And then, you know what I mean? I think, I just think when you,

I was taught to never look down upon or what anybody does. Do you 100% have to agree? No. Because look, look, I'm going to keep it a book. I was raised by only woman. I was raised by three auditions and a single mom. So when back, when somebody mentions pimping, you think about a motherfucker just slapping a bitch

and telling her what to go do. And it's like, motherfucker, I wish a motherfucker would slap my sister like that. Or my mom. Well, when you think about, you could say the same thing for a ho. When you think about a hoe, you just think about her being a slut, and she's just flatbacked and then she's just laying it down and she don't really care if she had a condom that day or not. Exactly.

But that's not necessarily true. Exactly. So I just think, I ain't gonna lie. I think motherfuckers like you are needed in the world to talk about what you guys call the ism, right? Because it's just like, like how I was saying you, when you think about something, you think about, you see certain movies. Like, I even seen the Medea movie when the girl was, she was like the prostitute and she's like, she hates it. She's crying while having sex and you think, well, motherfucker, that's nasty. That is.

That sucks, bro. Like, how, how could a motherfucker feel good about himself? telling the bitch to go fuck some motherfuck that's gonna rape her, you know what I mean? And then you're understandable. And then when you see like, even like the movie we were just talking about where I'm like, okay, well at least if

you're like, how are you there? You're sweating you in a 30-ass house. And no, not looking down to Palm Memphis because I'm pretty sure the movie would just portray like that or whatever situation is. But you do feel bad, but when you learn or when you hear a conversation,

when you understand people's life and you open your eyes to not just yourself or just your universe, but everybody else's universe, you're like, oh, can I fucking get it? Like, I mean, I might not agree or I might not 100% agree. Like, if I was being honest, I'm like, what damn, I'm like, why didn't you just try to move up

at the postal office, right? And shit like that, but then when you should talk about it. Yeah, yeah, come every two weeks and it was crappy. Yeah, but that's a man. That's a man. Yeah, but that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, so.

You're doing that? You're going to go play that when you. you know, nigga, you then made it already easy for yourself? 100%. So I think... You're not going to do that. Yeah, so I think it's just a perspective you see it on it. When you let people...

Because sometimes people tell other people's stories and they're just... And they're just writers. Like, being a writer and being a storyteller are two different things. Because you could tell me a whole thing and I could write it and be like, sharp's a piece of shit. Right. You'll never tell it the same.

I get what you're saying. You'll never be able to tell it the same as the actual narrative. See, but that's like a narrative. for like every movie like there's something you know like or even like shit that from what i know is that when you reach certain shit right or when you see certain movies but i'm also a millennial kid right so we're we're we're accustomed to oh that movie that's just say it's based on a true story and i automatically think like damn damn motherfucking some assholes but then when you i like where you at with it because and i don't mean to interrupt you because i like how you said millennials

so i want to i took that word out of your conversation and i want to throw it over at her 100% How do you feel about the millennials today? And like even listening to him and like listening to his insight of what he thinks it is because he's seen a lot of it on TV and you know what they might have portrayed to him

or what his homies have said to him throughout the time. Like this is what a ho is. What do you feel like, I want to hear your get back to what do you feel like these millennials are, these new up and comings? They do anything for clout, okay?

100% They do anything for fame I wrote a poem About the power of pussy compels Talking about the Instagram bitches And how Just all kind of deep stuff You know what I'm saying

The game is messed up And we need to make Ism great again Or get out of it Quit calling yourself a pimp Quit calling yourself a ho If that ain't what you're really doing You know what I mean?

That's like calling a giraffe of bear To make And I think And fucking I think Stop being an imposter Yeah And fucking I think

The imposter Hope posth Yeah And I think that's like a big thing Because I think if you're gonna do something I feel like You gotta be happy with what you're doing

Like if the game or the isn't for you Which I'm pretty sure you got I'm pretty sure you both seeing a lot of people Not make the cut Right didn't make the cut You You gang banged You did all that

I didn't get me. Tagger for sure. Okay. Tagger for sure. Okay, cool. You came from a certain circle that not everybody might necessarily agree with at one point in time. But you're still 100% loyal to it and you still stay true. Yeah.

No matter what anybody said, only because everybody's going to always have their fucking outlook. Everybody's going to have their perspective on what they think something is. Even if they've never touched it a day in their life. They've only seen it like we said on fucking TV. Yeah. But society got the ism messed up. You know, like I said, it's a secret society. And they tried to make us like we're so bad and we're so this and that.

But like I said about that other organization, look at the crazy stuff they do. And it's to keep your mouth shut. I come up missing you guys. You know. No, I'm just talking. But I'm saying, like, I would want to be into this ism. more so than I want to be into these other societies, you know? What did you, I'm going to ask you this, Martina,

what did you cling to, and using your words, the ism, what did you cling into the ism that you felt like you didn't cling into working a regular job or doing something else? What was it that you felt like your soul clung to? It's just clung to getting this money. I was just wanting to go cross-country just for the hell of it. Just hit every state getting this money. And I just had that mentality, you know, being around my pimp brothers.

And it's kind of bad, you know what I'm saying? I still got PTSD. That's pimp trauma stump down. Yeah. Pimp trauma stump down disorder. You know what I'm saying? I hear certain songs. Man, I didn't expect that one.

Look it. I hear certain songs. I'll be ready to put my heels on and go. Oh yeah, got to get the money. Misses it. Yeah. No, you know. That's crazy, right?

It's in me. It's in me. It's in me. I am just a happy hooker to the day I die. And I don't care what nobody's saying. I want to ask you, why did you decide to be a hoe instead of a pimp? Well, let me tell you something. I never wanted to be a pimp because first off, I don't even like Coochy.

And I'm a woman. And I respect it. I mean, I thought, I respect this ism. Listen to her, church. Second off, a woman that does have an escort service is called a madam. And yes, I'm a madam. Okay, I was that. Okay, you were a madam.

I didn't do my girls bad because I knew I was up under ism. And I used to have to break myself. I mean, no money. You know what I'm saying? All my money went to my man. So when I had my escort service and I turn a girl onto a date for $1,000, I just want $300 service fee and they keep their money and

keep their problems and do it moving. Because when you take somebody's money, you take their responsibilities and I wasn't going to be responsible. And this is a whole old school game. Got some cold shit. And then told you something into why may not every listen to me, not every person

who would even consider themselves allegedly a pimp or whatever the case may be would even want to take on every problem because see it's about a vibe. You don't just look at a woman for her beauty. You look at her for her duty and her vibe. Right.

What she can vibe on you with. What she can be with you for. How she can really come and consial with you. Just really just be on some other shit. Other than just sit there just trying to be on some, oh, well, you know, I'm breaking on you because I'm pimping and you're hoeing. No, it don't work like that. That shit's never going to last and it's going to be some, it's going to be some ugly.

But you're not going to want to take care of responsibilities of, a woman that you don't vibe with. You got to vibe with her. People think... Just like, hey, I'm gonna be real. Don't mean, Martina, we gotta say this. Even for you, you had to love something

about the nigger that you was fucking with to pay him. Don't know average bitch. Just pay no average nigger. Right. No, I loved his last year dirty draws and drink his dirty bathwater. She's got to upgrade. Yeah. She can't be downgrading.

Love my pimp. Love my pimp. We're gonna cut this shit, brain right where the fuck is said because Martina hey we ain't got the vents open and it's getting a little too hot in this motherfucker you need

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