No Jumper - Masika on Sharp Walking Out On Her, Her Baby Daddy Fetty Wap Getting 6 Years in Prison & More

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Masika talks about her upbringing in Chicago, moving to LA, becoming a mom, why she hates Vlad, Charlamagne sniffing her chair at the Breakfast Club, and more! ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. It is 540 for the record. Okay. And we're here today with Maseka. How are you? How you doing? It's actually Maseca Kalisha. But you said it great. I have to say the full thing. Yeah, like Angelina Jolie goes together. Okay. Well, if you're going to talk about me, I want you to call me Adam Grand Mason. Wait, who? Well, that's my last name. I was like the old thing. Said again. Adam Grand Mason. Adam Grand Mason. G-R-A-N-D-M-A-S-O-N. That's a secret eye in there that nobody ever expects.

That's amazing. I mean, we can just, I can do it. You're into it? A lot of people don't like it. A lot of people think it's like kind of creepy and white supremacy. Ah, is it? No. Yeah, I didn't get that.

It's just French for Big House, which, you know, I have like an okay-sized-sized house now. I mean, it's your name. You can't help that. Well, when I was living in a little apartment, that's what we keep me going on. Yeah, that was probably funny. How could I fail with the last name like this? Like when people say you're a home wrecker, but you guys live in an apartment. Right.

I'm an apartment wrecker. Yeah. You could be. And it's like if you have roommates. Oh, yeah. Do you remember the roommate part of your life? Did you have a roommate part of your life? I've had one roommate my entire life and that lasted four months.

What age were you? 26. And what were you doing in your life at that point? I had just moved to L.A. from Atlanta. So, you know, I'm like moved across the country by myself. I'm all my money. You get a roommate. Yeah. So one of my best friends, still one of my best friends to this day.

She was nice enough to give up her one bedroom and we moved into a two bedroom together. And that was my first and last experience with a roommate. You hated it? I'm not going to say I hated it. I've just always lived by myself. So it was like one thing I did hate though, she would blast like Celine Dion. See, just blasting music in general. As soon as you have a roommate, just playing loud music becomes like a very complicated decision.

So we like loud music. It's just like Celine Dion. Like really? Like I want a ratchet. Right. Yeah. She has a Celine Dion tattoo on her. her wish, she's different.

But it's just like in general. Like in college, like I only went away to college for one year, but I had a roommate who would very loudly play video games while I was sleeping sometimes. Insane. And he was one of these kids. We're talking in 2003. He would scream the N-word at the screen when he would die in the game or whatever.

And that is ultimately why we fell apart is because we ended up getting in a huge fistfight over that exact thing. Well, that's a good reason. I'm not saying that's like virtue signal and be like, look how anti-racist I am, but that is actually what happened. That's a good reason, though. That is a good reason. It kind of comes off a little d-hackerish, so I'll be honest with you.

Well, I don't have one to suck, so thankfully I didn't take it that way. That's so a move. That's a move that I would do, though. Go on a date with a black girl and just start telling her all the, like, anti-racist stuff up done in my life. All the ways, I stood up for you guys. Oh, yeah, and one time I fought in the Civil War. Have you ever dated a black girl? I wouldn't say dated, had sex with the shirt, yeah.

Nothing to never really hit that stride, which is a I live with that shame every day. Oh, no, I don't think it's shame. It's just, you know, it is what it is. I just feel like that would have been what could have, like, catapulted my career to the next level. It'll make you or break you. There is a BET. There's BET. There's BET. There's B.T. There's a Shade Room.

There aren't really, like, Armenian equivalents. I mean, well, I guess it's true, but the Kardashians have taken over. I know, but it hasn't really materialized into, like, the general. public caring about Armenian life. You know, I think that's a good thing and the bad thing, because unfortunately, the networks and the station stuff you name, they're known for being ratchet. They're known for being ignorant,

and they're known for being stereotypical of what you would think black people are, not, you know, what most black people really are. So it's cool that, you know, we have taken over so many things, but I just hate that we're known for all of this ratchet stuff. That's, that's, so. But okay, you're somebody who probably went into the love and hip hop experience with a lot of preconceived assumptions about it and how it, you know, because it, even being around for a couple of years, it was pretty obvious that this is basically like entertaining. Right.

But it is really probably to the detriment of black people in general, right? Right. Right. Now, when I started, of course, I've seen, you know, Love & Hip Hop Atlanta and New York at the time. But, you know, being in my 20s, not. really knowing what's going on I'm really thinking oh this is really what's happening in these people lives you know I'm thinking that this is just cameras following people around and that this is what's happening I'm thinking oh I wouldn't do that and oh why are they doing that

not realizing that it was all controlled listening to you talk about this to Sharp made me fully realize what that it must be like yeah because I've had the same thought of like well they can't misrepresent me like I'm my own person I'm not going to do anything lame whatever but then obviously like through editing through whatever I mean it's so easy to make you into whatever they want yeah and even let's say even without like the super crazy editing um because one thing you know like I did I did mention on the show with sharp growing up hip hop did the craziest edits love hip hop didn't do those crazy edits so much but they put you in the crazy situations and it's like okay you're filming you know with who they bring they take you to the place half the time you don't know where you're going you don't know who's going to

You're just kind of thrown into the situation. So it's like even when you are making your own choices, you're making your own choices based off of this little box that you're put in. So, yeah, when I went into Love and Hip-Up, I thought it was going to be something that I could control. Right. But, you know, you can only control so much, but I still tried my best.

But, you know, at that time, too, I was young, 26 years old, you know, no kids trying to make in Hollywood. I just moved here, shipped my car, shipping stuff. Any opportunity, you're going to look on the bright side. And I'm like, you know what, hey, cool, I'll run with that. I'll roll with the punches. We'll do it. You want me to get crazy?

Let's get crazy. Ah, you know. And, you know, then it gets to the point where, you know, once you have children and you have things to lose and things like that, where it's like, okay, I was doing this, but now I can't do that. So let me ask you this. Is there a sense that when your career involves love and hip hop or at least, especially when it begins that way, is that kind of like a story?

scarlet letter that is just kind of, it brands you for life. Like, could Beyonce have become Beyonce if she had done a couple seasons? Oh, yeah. You think? Oh, yeah. You don't hear anyone categorize Cardi B with love and hip hop anymore. Yeah, but she also has like a goofy fun, like thing about her. So it's kind of like, like, I don't know if she was like super serious as an artist.

Never, no, no. The love and hip hop thing kind of is in conflict with that, right? Which is very true. what I've learned from the position that I'm in, people remember your biggest negative. Right. And to you outdo it with something so grandiose that they're forced to talk about that.

Right. You know, so even though I've done things that have made me way more money, I've done things that are, you know, way higher in the hierarchy than love and hip-hop, that's the biggest negative that people know me from. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, it's okay.

I don't mind if that's what you remember me as. at this point, that just means maybe I got to do a little, work a little harder. Or if that's what I'm after, if I'm after the public acknowledgement, sure. But I've accomplished so much more than that behind the scenes that, you know, it is what it is. It's just when people like, yeah boy, your son's sharp, try to put me at a box that I don't fit in it at this point. How do you feel about how that interview went? You know, honestly, when he stormed out and did the walk of shame like a bad bitch, does in the morning after she got

sorry I'm trying not to curse Lord put a watch from my mouth Jesus I'm working on that I'm working on it sorry sorry we remind that simmering hot after he stormed up I honestly thought it was kidding I was really just kind of waiting for a minute like waiting for the because it was there was nothing that was said that I felt like was personal we were talking about a hypothetical situation about a show that hasn't casted me, that I haven't turned down,

that I haven't asked to be on. If you would give them game, was somehow what you started arguing about, and you were basically like, I'm not going to just give random people game for free, and he's like, no, you should. And I'm watching it, just kind of thinking, like,

that's what this argument is about. Like, what the- It just seemed like a weird thing to argue about. Like, does he have private stake in Zeus? Like, is he a stock? Holder. Oh, so that was about a Zeus show hypothetically? Yeah.

So, you know, we're just talking about, you know, reality TV and things like that. And I was thinking the conversation was going really well. And then, you know, he brought it what I do bad is. And I said, no. And he made a comment something like, oh, you think you're better than them. No, I don't think I'm better than that. I know I'm better than them. And that's not even like, that's not a dig or nor is it shade.

Like I was at a place in my life where certain things like that were appealing to me. And that doesn't mean that I was wrong for that. That just means that's where I was in life. And people grow and people evolve and people change. And now where reality TV is, even when I was doing love of hip hop and growing up hip hop and to me, that was super ratchet. It's gotten worse now. They've digressed to where when I was on the show, like, you weren't supposed to fight. Like they had four big security guards, you know, per person.

And, you know, there was a scene that's been deleted that never aired. Where I walked up to a girl. It didn't say a word or not. Punch her in face. Wow. What was that over? So, super long time ago, there was an episode where I was the face of this club called Ace of Diamonds in Hollywood. And one of the cast members, Nikki, her parents owned the club.

And I was hired to do the photo shoot and the billboard and all that stuff. So I had billboards all over in real life on Sunset Boulevard in Las Vegas. in Las Vegas, all over. And they tried to make an episode where they pretended like they took me off the billboard and put my mugshot from when I got arrested at 19 years old up. Now, that didn't really happen,

but they rented a billboard outside of the boom boom room, not too far from here, where everybody records to put this mugshot up of this fake billboard to make it look like they replaced the billboard. And, you know, again, I wasn't exactly sure what I was walking myself into what the scene was, but they wanted me to walk up to this billboard

and meet Nikki there and pretend like she, she had the power to get my billboards taken off sunset boothbar. And I was like, oh, you've got to be kidding me. Right. You know, so of course they told me what was happening once I pulled up and they're like, what are you going to do? And I tell him, Mona, I'm probably going to punch her in the face. And she's like, Maseka, don't, don't, no,

I said, I'm probably going to punch her in the eye. And I hate to even talk about this. Me and Nikki are cool now. Like she just had a beautiful son. I sent her nothing but well wishes. But, you know, it's history. It's like you were both pro wrestlers. Yes.

That's just like part of what you do when you're a pro wrestler. It doesn't mean you hate the person forever. Right. You're caught up in the moment. Right. So, you know, the scene comes. She's coming from this. And I'm coming from this.

And I walk up to her. And I was just so libit that they tried this. I didn't say anything. I just punched her in the nose. And I remember Mona said, you said, you weren't going to punch her. I said, I said, we're going to put her in the eye. So, like, they had to delete the scene because there was no dialogue.

You know, Mona was so furious that she was like, you guys didn't even have a conversation. Like, at least talk about it because now it's crazy. You just walked up to the girl and punched the girl for no reason. Like, I have to get rid of this scene.

I have to make it go away. And, you know, she was like, we're going to dead the billboard. We shouldn't have did it, da-da-da. But then some of the other hating-ass castmates found out about the scene afterwards, came up, took pictures of it, and posted it.

So now the Shade Room posted it. Now people actually thought, that there was really this billboard it was a prop for for an episode but back then you couldn't just walk up and hit somebody you had to do a scene you had to you know what I'm saying they tried to they tried to get a conversation at least yes they wanted the drama and they wanted the beef but and they wanted more of an educated ignorance right I feel like where we've gone today I hate to say we've evolved because we're digressing now it's just you walk in and people start

fighting what happened I haven't really watched any of this you're missing Do you keep up on it? No, I only see it because it's on my timeline on Instagram. Right. Like, you can't open your phone without seeing it. I'll see some shit if it goes viral sometimes. And to be honest, the Krashon and Blueface thing has kind of like brought me closer to like knowing about what's going on on Zeus, even though I have not actually. I want to sign up and actually watch this shit because I hear so much about it.

And I listen to some of the clips of academics interviewing the CEO of Zeus. And it was pretty fucking funny to hear him media trained. as fuck just trying to like kind of explain you know of course of course you don't want to get to sued which which which he's getting sued by plenty of people he is rightfully so apparently he's like unbelievably rich so that's probably inevitable yeah so you know when you know you learn how to tell beautiful eyes right actually he had like 15 security guards with him well that seems a little excessive to me it is you know I mean it's kind of like the uh what what is his name the lord The president? No, the rapper with the color hair. Oh, six nine. Kind of like how he used to do. That was funny when he was on Melrose with like the most insane security squad ever. That was so funny. Well, you know, when you know that you're intentionally ruining people's lives. Right. And you know that you're setting people up for failure so that you can make money off of them. You gotta kind of be scared. I'm not I can't like really fully pass judgment because I'm only familiar with like the things that go viral outside of the content on there. So that's what I'm judging based.

on, but it feels like the Zeus network is like love and hip hop with no adults in the room. Because it's like if you just have a streaming service, there's nobody to tell you not to do these things. Whereas if you're VH1 or BET or whatever. They have to follow certain guidelines. Yeah, and they're big corporations. And ultimately, like, they have to answer to stockholders and all this kind of shit. So there's like things in place to basically make them not do the most extreme things possible.

Even us, we're on YouTube. But if you have your own fucking streaming platform. like that you can really probably do whatever. Even YouTube, like you said, there's certain things you can and can't say, can and can't do, you know, they'll take you down. Right. You know, but yeah, what streaming platforms like that, like they'll set you up, you know, unbeknownst to you to have a fight and things like that.

So, you know, when he was just suggesting that I should be Mother Teresa and go frolic, like we're at Woodstock, you know, barefoot and hold hands with girls on the show, It was just ridiculous to me. You know, I'm not here for that. I've passed that. And then, you know, his point was, well, you did it before. Okay. I used to use baby powder.

And then I found I gave people cancer, so I stopped. You know, like there's a lot of things that you may have done at one point of your life that you don't do anymore. And to use the fact that you did it before is crazy. And even the fact that I have done reality TV, again, it was not like this. So I was just very confused as to what set him off. You know, I remained calm, stayed poised, kept my composure. And he was just, I don't know if his drink had something in it or if the wheat was laced.

But whatever it was, like, I was so like, what just happened here? Like, are you in a private relationship with someone on the show? He seemed a little frustrated with you throughout it, though. Yeah, I didn't get that. I got that energy, but I didn't know where that came from. But a lot of times with men that are narcissists, when they're talking to a level-minded woman who is not acting a fool, they don't know what to do. And a lot of times when a man feels like he's challenged, whether it's a challenge or not, if his ego sets in and they can't tame you, they run off. It was kind of because like early on on No Jumper when Sharp first came here that was kind of like his thing like he was just end up getting in these huge arguments with girls and like they would walk out or like you know crazy shit.

And it would just go viral all the time. And it's kind of hasn't happened in a while. Yeah. But so that was why that was kind of like a throwback of like oh, okay. Yeah. I haven't seen this thing in a while. Yeah. It was just it was it was weird.

It was weird. I've never been on a situation where someone walked off their own show. Yeah. That's pretty rare. But you know, hey. I think he might have done it before, though. Maybe. I just haven't seen it.

Okay. But so, wait, all right, just to rewind a little bit. You're from Atlanta or where you're from? I'm from heaven, as I mentioned. Heaven, right, right, right, right. Born and raised in Chicago. Right. Right, right, right, right.

So you're a GD or a BD? So I'm neither. I have a lot of, well, let me not snitch on nobody. I have a lot of people around me. You've been associated? You ever been to Oblock? Yeah. Really?

It's not even that big of a deal. I mean, depending on what day you go, I guess. I mean, here's the thing. Like, I mean, I grew up in Chicago. So, you know, hearing people talk about O'block and 63rd and all this stuff is like, I used to walk past that street. Like, you know, when you grow up there, yeah, okay, it's a thing. But like, I remember as a kid when we were drive from, you know, one side of the,

my dad's side of town to my mom's side of town, my dad would tell us, take off your seatbelts, get on the floor. and he would be driving down like this because like people, there's GD on one side or folks on the other side or Latin Kings and I don't remember what it was but like they're just shooting across the highway at each other

you know so like unfortunately these things were so normal I remember seeing my first dead body in the alley when I was nine years old and I came home and wrote a song about it. A song. Were you writing a lot of songs at the time or did this just bring it out of you? I think that was the first song I remember writing. Wow. Yeah

and like I had no emotion behind it because that's just you know it was so normal it wasn't until I moved away and was like oh that wasn't normal right oh that might have traumatized me a little bit maybe you know but again I didn't think of it

like that you know I just it was just like oh yeah someone's getting shot let's go open the fire hydrogen and play in the water right yeah it was just a thing and it's just crazy to come from there to now I'm the bougiest bitch I know Really?

Yeah. So did you have like a pretty good home life though? I really did. I really did. Like, you know, I have very young parents. They got married to 18 and 21. And I didn't know that I was missing anything. I didn't know we were poor.

I didn't know that, you know, like I had everything I wanted. And then the things that I didn't have, I didn't know about them. You know, so like we never had the news Jordan's until I started working and had my own job as a teenager. But I didn't even know that there were new Jordans. I had clean shoes from Payless. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I played with my friends.

I played with my cousins. We were outside every day. You know, I had Barbies to play with. I had clean clothes. I didn't know that there was a luxury life that I didn't know about. Right. You know? I think that's what's different now is that every kid as soon as they get TikTok or Instagram

can just tell like, oh, this is how the Kardashians live. Yeah. And I don't have that. So therefore I'm kind of poor or definitely poor compared to them. Yeah. And so then people like spend their whole life kind of. of obsessed with this ideal, which I didn't know about when I was a kid either. I didn't know what the fuck.

I didn't know a single luxury or designer brand all through high school. Yes. I also didn't know anything about drugs, which is really good. I couldn't have told you anything about like cocaine, Adderall, Xanax. I didn't know anything about all that, which I consider myself very lucky that somehow didn't know about all that. Yeah. And I didn't really know about gangs either, which is good.

It's not like there were gangs around. I grew up with the gang. I could have commuted and maybe joined a gang. Yeah. I avoided that. And you know, one thing I want to say, like what you're saying about not knowing the luxury and stuff, my kids go to my kid goes to school with the Kardashians. Like what people would think is the complete opposite. The most humble down to earth, sweetest people, you know, so I just, you know, it's not like, oh, they have this and I don't have that.

They don't give that at all. But like I could see why you would think that. Like, you know, it would seem like, oh, this kid has this and I don't have that. the school they go to, it's really good about that. No one, like the kids act like kids. I don't really see it. Of course, my daughter, she's in second grades. I don't know what happens in the older,

upper class, stuff like that. But yeah, there was a time, you know, where when I moved to Atlanta and went to school in a different area where there were like, oh, you have Gucci shoes, I have Payless shoes. You know, but elementary, I didn't really experience that. But yeah, that definitely can make a kid.

feel a certain way designer to me was like Abercrombie see I can't even pronounce Abercrombie I remember all I know about Abercrombie as a kid is that the store when you walk by the store was a really strong smell yeah that's all I knew I we didn't even go in that and then I moved to New York and I would walk by Abercrombie and there would be like a chick in like you know jean shorts and like a bikini top and a dude in jeans with his shirt off and he was like super buff in the window they would just be standing there like that was the people that greeted you when he walked into the store and I was just like what the fuck I wonder what they got paid to do that I know imagine being that dude just

standing there with your shirt off all day just flexing yeah so I just stand out that I'mbercombe and get paid I know he's pretty hype too those Abercrombie fragrance is so bad it would it's not pretty good I was never been like a clone guy but I was thought like they smelled pretty good see I'm a clone grown now I just like have never even thought about it yeah I have a clone in my house. I never even think to put it on. Do you have a favorite one or you just, you're just not that guy? I have Versace clone in my house that I wear maybe like two times a year when I notice it

staring back at me on the counter. Okay, so note to sell for Christmas stocking stuffers, no cologne. I stink. No, no, no, no, no, no, you're thinking to give me a Christmas gift, that's good to know. No, no, I didn't say for me. I was letting people know. I need more relationships like that that come with Christmas gifts. You know what? I'm terrible at gift giving. I actually don't want that responsibility. I love gift giving, but the problem is I always

forget until it's too late. Yeah, and that makes me feel like the biggest piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, well, I decided something today. I'm going to start doing, just getting, like, gifts, like, for my daughter, for, like, her classmates. So it's ready. Boy gifts, girl gifts, because every time they're the birthday party up in the morning, I'm like, ah, got to get a gift, got to give a gift. I'm just going to have, like, Valentine's Day cards on deck, birthday cards on day. Just, you know, I got, I have to be that mom.

I got, I have, because there's no way. I love my girl's birthday in June because then there's a gym and I. There's nothing else until Christmas. So I don't have to think about it. June what? Gulf first. I'm June 7th. Really?

She must be really cool. Yeah. Jim and I and women are the best. Wait, how old are you? How old am I? It just depends on what day. I'm not supposed to ask that, right? Yeah, I haven't decided how I'm going to turn yet.

Okay. I'm thinking 29. Is that? Fuck, now I'm going to. Should I Google it? I mean, Google has me from 30 to probably 75. I don't know. 75 seems outlandish yeah yeah I'm mid 30s okay we'll just say that is that I'm 39 I'm like

right around the corner from 40 that's a cool age it's scary it's like 40 it's like you're still in your 30s but it's like wait a minute it's like something has to change in my life yeah my brother my brother he'll be 40 in November really yeah and like to me we're still kids I'm like how did did that happen and you've seen has he has he has he had to like grow up because like I'm I'm certain that if I was still living the same life at 40 that I was living when I was 32, that that would seem like a failure to me. It's just, it changes so much happens so quickly. Yeah.

And it's like, you know, you still feel like, okay, wait a minute. Loki, I still feel like I'm a kid, but wait, I'm almost 40. Right. It's crazy. Yeah, but then, like, think about people you know who are 50. Like, I think Joe Rogan's like 55. Well, you know, I mean, we'll get there. And Joe's like someone I've been paying attention to for forever.

Yeah, but he definitely seems distinctly old in my head, like in a way that I don't feel old. Yeah. Most of the people I hang out with don't feel old. And when I think about all the dudes I know who are like 55, that's like the old homie. But you know, when you think about it right now, like at 25, 40 just seemed so old. Now it's like, wait a minute, that's not old. But the other day I was, uh, had to do something with this woman and I was thinking in my head, like, she's old. She's like older and then I realized she's quite a few years younger than me

And it's like and then I'm just like oh dude like that's fucked up like you you you can't just be thinking of this person as like an older woman When she's younger than you yeah you have to recalibrate your brain a bit how We naturally think of women over 30 as like oh she's old You know, I'll get girls like girl you're too old to do that you too old to that do that Meanwhile, baby you're 28 right I'm a handful older than you. Like, do you want to die when you turn 30? Right.

Like, do you think that that's the end of life? And it's just the comments are so, she's too old to breathe. She's too old to wear that. She's too old to say that. Right. Well, what is the age where you stop being yourself? What age do you turn where you no longer get to have an opinion? Right.

And what I think a lot of people miss is that to make it far into life is the goal. Yeah. That's your reward. Exactly. You're like, like, I try to am constantly thinking about the fact of like how lucky I feel to still be in a position where I get to do stuff I'm excited about and my job is fun and I haven't had to like retire away to this like boring ass existence. Like even just to be able to keep that going because realistically with the hip hop side of things, I didn't really like get going until I was like 32, 33. So I already felt old by the time I actually like kind of got a shot in hip hop, you know? Right.

So to even like I still kind of feel young in that sense of like, what? y'all have not known me that long so i still feel you exactly very true like you know i think it's a blessing at 30 35 being able to still have you know a foot in the game right here you know there was never a point where i had to go sit behind the desk and and do some paperwork i don't want to do you know god has afforded me that opportunity and to still be relevant to where these younger girls are running their mouth about me because if you weren't still talking about me it wouldn't be broken, honey. You're telling me that what I should do makes more people care about what I'm doing. So, you know, at the end of the day, like, it is what it is. I'm just, I'm grateful that

someone still cares. So, okay, you moved to Atlanta to go to college and- No, my parents moved to Atlanta when I was still in high school. So I graduated high school there. And what was that culture shock like? You went to public school? Yeah. So I went from, I was in private school up until, uh, a little, 11th grade. Okay. So I was in private school from kindergarten to 10th grade. Oh, okay. And then when I went to public school the last two years, I thought it was awesome, but I was like, these kids are stupid. Just that was your main observation that was kind of dumb. I remember I was in AP English in 11th grade and they were teaching something that I learned in fourth grade. Really? And I was like. I guess I'm not really surprised. I was learning about like Maslow's hierarchy of needs and like the Dewey Decimal system. Things that I learned in elementary school. Right. And I'm like, okay, this is different.

But it was cool because that's when I kind of first started getting around, you know, kids that were rapping at the lunch table and like super creatives and stuff like that. Where I felt like before then, you know, we were kind of put in to like more tamed. Like we couldn't really express ourselves that way. You know, that's the first time I got to lunch and like, oh, we're rapping. We're singing. and we're this, we're that. You know, we're dancing.

So it was a good experience. I'm glad that I had both, though. Like, you know, when I was in private school and I got to high school, I begged my parents to take me out of it. Like, I want to go to public school. I want to go to public school. I want to be my friends.

And when I got to public school, I was like, okay, I get why they didn't. They didn't put me in sooner. But I'm glad that I got to see both world. Yeah. Right. And so you were on track to go to college? Yeah.

So I ran track. I did volleyball. I played basketball. I sucked. But I played basketball to keep in shape. I was doing ballet. That's a lot. Yeah, I was doing a lot.

A lot of physical activities. Yeah, I had a 4.0 up until my senior year because my dad thought it would be a great idea to make us stop playing sports to get a job. A job. Which was crazy because I could have gotten a track scholarship easily. Really? But. Why do you do that?

He was just hurting for money? No, you know, I just think it's kind of like how he was raised. You know, I think you're a product of your environment. And, you know, I know, I don't think it was anything malicious. I think, you know, I was raised where, you know, you go to college and you this and you dad and you have to be practical. You have to be practical. And I think for, you know, my dad was like, okay, playing sports is cool, but they need careers. And, you know, I think it was more of him just trying to, you know, do what he thought was best as being practical.

Right. And I get it. I get it. You know, I wouldn't do that now that I have my own children, but I'm not going to fault him for doing what he thought was right. Right. You were playing football, like, could have to hold her life. Damn, that sucks because it's like, you know, you're doing those sports or you doing like extracurricular activities

when you're that young is so valuable? Yeah. In comparison to like, you know, working at fucking Michaels or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I was working at a shoe store called Jets for Feet. And that was the first time that I had the New Jordans. Really? Yeah.

You became a sneaker head. So it was all worth it. Oh, man. I mean, you know, yes or no. But like, that was first time, like, I had the matching Carolina blue sneakers to go with the Carolina blue shirt. You know, like before then, like I said, I didn't have any of that. So then I decided that as soon as I graduated, I'm going back to Chicago.

And I visited L.A. for the first time and said, oh, this is where it's going to be. I got to move here. I remember being at a college party in Laguna Beach. I looked at one side. I saw the ocean. I looked at another side of saw the mountains. I looked at another side of saw the skyline. And I was surrounded by black kids pulling up in Rose Royces and Bentley's and, you know, all

cars and like they were dripped in jewelry and you know I'm like these are rich black kids at that point that was my first time seeing that really I didn't know that black people could have money I didn't know about you know the the most affluent black family I had ever seen was the Hux Bulls or you know Family Matters or something like that so this was my first time at 17 18 years old seeing oh wow and I don't know if it was so much that it was LA that did that or that is because it was LA that I saw that, that I just decided in there, oh, I'm moving to LA. I'm moving LA. Now, as I traveled back and forth, you know,

visiting friends and just things like that, then I'm like, okay, the opportunity is out here. You know, at that point now, there's more, you know, studios and sound stages and other places. But at that point, like, if you wanted to be an actress or anything, you had to go to LA. And you already wanted to do entertainment? Yeah, yeah. So when I... But you hadn't, like, modeled or anything? You were just thinking about it? Yeah, no, I had.

But, like, I mean, I used to do, like, King Magazine and, like, Black Men's Magazine and a lot of music videos and stuff like that. So I was considered a video vixen in Atlanta. So you're already known as that. Okay. Yeah. But, like, my first actual job was a small role in a movie called Three Can Play That Game with Vivica Fox and a lot of other, you know, a lot of other actress. And I went from that, then started kind of doing music videos and stuff like that. that so I kind of hardly been in it but I just you know there there was no big

agents in Atlanta there was no like you know all the auditions and the jobs I wanted it was in LA right so I was like okay I just got it I got to save my money and move and that's and so the roommate situation yeah but so then all right how long were you in LA before the 11 hip-hop thing happened not long at all so I moved to LA in September of 2011 I want to say I think it was 2011. August or September, 2011. And I was, you know, going to auditions and just every audition that I could get,

whether it was a TV show, a music video, a commercial, you know, I was just everything I saw. And I remember it was in January of the next year. So maybe not even a full five months later. I woke up and two of my best friends sent me a write-up that was on Bossip saying love and hip-hop is coming to Hollywood. it. Right. And they were one, one lived in Miami, one lived here. And they were like, my older girlfriends was like, girl, you gotta do this show, you gotta

do the show. And my immediate thought was, I ain't doing that show, I would never do that show. And then not even a split second later, I said, would I rather be a working actor or act like I'm working? And I said, I'm gonna get on that show. Right. And I kind of, you know, told Sharp, kind of how that came to be. So, you know, not to be redundant.

But yeah, so for me, it was, this is a solid job. Right. And I thought that it was a solid job that would propel my music career. And that and even my acting career. During that time, a lot of producers and directors didn't want to take a chance on reality stars as far as serious acting roles. That has completely changed to where now they're booking more reality stars for serious acting roles. So, you know.

It's crazy because, all right, so I watched the Breifest Club interview that you did, like seven or eight years ago. And I'm somebody who has previously said like, oh, you know, I miss the old Charlemagne or like, you know, he used to be all edgy and offensive and that was sick. And I watched that episode and I was just like, okay, I'm really glad that he left this fucking persona behind because it was like, and not even to put it on him because envy was doing the same fucking thing. And I'm not even going to act all high and mighty because I've definitely done episodes where I was disrespectful to the person I was interviewed. and I'm obviously like viewing this through the lens of having respect for you. So like to me it just came off crazy. They're like making everything about sex. Every dude you mention they're just like, oh, you fuck to him.

And it was just very like hard to listen to. It was gross. It was gross. It was actually fucking weird. And I actually like so now when I think about because I watched a Vlad actually did coincidentally a flashback clip today of Charlemagne kind of talking about the fact that as their show grew, he had to kind of leave this like, you know, over the top shock jock persona behind.

But holy shit, does your interview with them exemplify that? That's enough of me white knighting. Do you agree? No, definitely. Black can go fuck himself, by the way, but we'll talk about that later. Oh, really? I'll get to that later. But anyway, so, and I said that, you know,

I felt like Sharp probably should have watched that interview to realize that there's nothing you can say to me it's going to take me off my square. At the end of the day, at that time, my objective was to go on Hot 9-7 to get my song played. That was my objective to get the radio spins.

So I already knew that they were going to be coming at me crazy. And, you know, like when Birdman was on air and, you know, walked off the set and told him, what do you say? The tree, this,

I don't remember what he said, but. He said, it was, fuck. It was viral. I just watched DJ envy talking about it. Well, we know, that moment.

Put some respect on my name. Yeah, put some respect. respect on my name. Like, you know, that part. Like, for me, it's like, okay, your objective is to try and see me act like the person that you hope that I am or you think that I am or that I've been portrayed to be. My objective is to play my song on Hot 9-7. Right.

So I'm not going to allow you to shake me. And the crazy part is, like, if your persona, your image is a sexual image or, you know, You know, I saw the porn podcast thing up there. Like if that's what you're into, then great. Right. That's what you talk about. But we're in society that we become so normalized with just talking to random people that we've never had sex with about sex.

Right. Why doesn't matter who I've got in bed when I'm sitting at a table with you? Like the tone of that podcast would be kind of normal if you're a porn star. Right. But it was like just the fact that you so clearly didn't really want that to be the tone of the conversation and made it like super hard to listen to. Yeah. And that's just like pre-me-to,

pre, you know, woke era where everybody kind of thinks about, you know, women and what they want and a lot more detail. And it's like, I don't know. It's just really like that's a remnant of that era that would be hard to imagine these days, honestly. You know, it's so common to disrespect women, especially black women. And coming from black men, it's like, how dare you? And then watching Angelina just kind of sit there. You try to fight back in a little bit, but she was kind of powerless.

Yeah. I mean, I get her position too. Like, you know, it's only so long that you can jump in the cage with buffoons. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know if that's the reason why she branched off and decided to do her own thing or not, you know, but good for her. You know, DJ envy. It's just, it's comical to me when I come somewhere that I've been invited to go on.

And clearly, you know, as you know, you have to, even if you don't know who's coming, you have to do your research so that you know what to discuss, what to talk about. Even if you've never seen me before in your life, when I come in that, chair you know who I am. Even like, you know how mortified I would be if I accidentally like said that you had a baby with somebody that you didn't have a baby with? Because that's how it starts.

Is there just like, oh, you have a baby with Youngberg? You're like, no, I don't. It's just like, I would be hell of embarrassed if I did that, but they clearly like really like really didn't give a fog.

Like they know that's not the case. So they're hoping that that happens for the big aha moment. And it's like, I already know that you're trying to do that. So I'm not going to give it to you because again, You're about to play myself. Shout out Young Berg. Huh?

Nothing wrong with having a baby with Youngberg. I mean, hey, I don't have one, so I couldn't tell you. Right. But all the women who do. I don't think he has to get. No? I don't think so. But, you know, I'm also not keeping it.

One day. Hey, you know, it's a great thing. I was supposed to interview Youngberg a one time ago. I should hit him up. Sure. Well, because he has a producer name now, too. I forget. He's like a big producer at this point.

Yeah. Put some respect on Youngberg's name. You can. So you don't like them. Oh, shit. Okay. I just realized I walked in on somebody. I have nothing to say.

All right, all right. My bad. My bad. I didn't mean to do anything here. No, no, you did it. You did it. I just, you know, yeah. Was that that Breakfast Club era, though, was that the vibe in a lot of situations as a woman coming up around that time?

Oh, for sure. You know, again, I felt like disrespect was what people got attention for. And again, you know, coming from a show like love and hip hop, there, hoping that I'm going to act a fool. And, you know, that's just not the case. I'm very well-versed. I'm very well-spoken. I'm very educated.

You know, and when I, whatever it is that I'm trying to do, I'm going to get that done. You know, so I'm going, I think I'm one of the best interviewers. I can address what I want to address, dance around a question and do a backflip on it and still come out on top. You're a politician.

Pretty much. You know, without even being media, train. I know I know what I need to get done. I know how it needs to happen. And 19-10, I know how it's going to be portrayed. That's one of my favorite things in the debates and stuff is when they ask them like a question and then they just don't answer the question, then just start talking about something completely different. That is an amazing skill. Yeah. And a lot of times I find myself on podcast and I answer questions too literally where I'm like actually answering the exact question that they asked me. And it kind of like, which is great. It's it's just because.

That's how my brain works, but then meanwhile, like, I could have took that question in any kind of, you know, you have to kind of go into any interview or any conversation thinking about like what you want to put out there. Exactly. Exactly. Have some objectives in mind. Exactly. Exactly. So at that time, my objective happened. And, you know, the funny thing is like, I feel like people don't want to like me.

And then they accidentally like me. And, you know, when I played the record I had at the time, it was my single car undelay featuring FettyWOP, obviously. And it's just so we're calling that. And, you know, at that time, what, it was like 2015, 2016, I want to say. And, you know, that was his big year. He did the big one. You know, he was every, you couldn't turn on the radio without hearing him. He was obviously one of the hottest artists of the year.

So when we played the record, they wanted to hate it so bad. And I just remember the look on their face was like, I mean, it's not, we don't hate it. It's not bad. And the funniest thing is like, you're both huge fans of Feddywop, huge, especially you, DJ Penny. which was what I was calling him because he pretended like he couldn't pronounce my name. You know my name. You've said it 10 times.

You probably stayed in your sleep. You know my name. So, you know, and he, like, I knew how much of a fan he was of him at the time. So when I played the record, the song starts with Fettywob. It doesn't start with me. So before I even came on,

they were like, I mean, it's decent. I mean, I said, that's how I know you're a hater. You didn't even listen because you haven't even heard me say a word yet. You just want to dislike it because it's mine. And then, like, they're like, uh, okay.

Oh, okay. Okay, keep playing, keep playing. You actually didn't realize that you accidentally insulted somebody that you're a fan of because it's affiliated with me. By the end of the interview, I don't know if you watched it to the end when I got up, Charlemagne sniffed my chair like a weirdo. Oh, I didn't watch like the last 10 or 15 minutes, but. It was like, I love you, I love you because nothing you did to break me.

He used to do that a bit, I think. It was weird. And that was weird. Stop doing a certain point, yeah. It was weird. I'm all about offensive jokes. But definitely, I felt like when the girl isn't putting her out there to be like in an explicitly sexual role, that kind of stuff comes off weird. Exactly.

It does come off weird. And then, you know, we all have jobs to do. But for two married men to be talking to someone like that is just weird. It's just weird. Married or not. But that part is just, it's just weird. But you kind of get hit with the double whammy too because you're the, like our culture has a lot of assumptions about the rapper baby mama. Oh, yeah.

So you kind of like have to deal with that as well. Yeah. The love and hip hop assumptions people might have about you. And then the, that whole thing too. So I heard you like tell the story about how you met Fetty Wop and everything. And you guys ended up because you weren't really like ever with them for like an extended period of time. No, we were.

How long? I mean, on and off for some years. Okay. On and off for some years. It sounded like it was kind of rocky from the beginning. No, it was a blast from the beginning. Oh, okay. Um, um, um, let me see.

I, I like to be careful about what I say because we, we have a daughter who is at the age now where she'll come home like, mom, someone told me such and such. How old she? She's seven. Okay. And, you know, so even though she's not like on Instagram like that, like, you know, she'll go on YouTube and she can see TikTok and things like that on, on YouTube. Shout out to all the clippers. Everybody who's going to take this and put it on TikTok. Oh yeah, oh, you know it will be.

And make money off of us. That aggravates me. But like, you know, she'll go on YouTube and like, Mom, I want to watch my birthday video or mom, I want to watch this. And she'll type in her name and all this stuff will pop up. And, you know, so I have to be very careful. I don't ever want to say something that can change how she sees her mother or her father because it came out of my mouth. Respect. So, no, when we first met, we had a blast.

We had a great time. whirlwind to like we were at the peak of our entertainment careers at that time you know like he was the top guy I was on the number one reality show one of the number one characters on the show you know I was booked and busy everywhere he was booked and busy everywhere like our relationship was like a tour you know so we had a blast were you like touring together most of the time or were you kind of booked separately a lot so we were booked separately already like we we we met in the middle of him touring. I don't know if it was the actual tour, but, you know, he had a bunch of fun of me.

Especially in the middle of a moment, like the one he was having. It was crazy. On the road. It was insane. You got to get the money while you can. It was insane. But, you know, like, we did what we could, like, together. Like, I'm filming this day.

You're here this day. But, you know, we would, I would go with him more so on his stuff, his shows, his, you know, performances or, you know, we went skydiving. He did, he did this young and reckless thing. And, you know. So I would more so accommodate his schedule at the time because I was filming stationary for the most part. You know, we had we had a great time. Things kind of went left.

Well, again, I got to be careful what I say. Like, let's just say he wanted to have a baby night didn't it and he didn't like that. Okay. And that's kind of what started like our little bickering back and forth. but but then you did yeah yeah and you weren't really hyped on how it went down um you know i mean who would be yeah i don't i don't think anybody this young and unmarried wants to have a tumultuous situation whether it's one day or one week you know the the thing is we had our little beef we had our little bickering back and forth childishness but that was just a small

moment you know what I'm saying that what that wasn't the duration that wasn't that didn't categorize our actual relationship at all but because again people remember the biggest negative I still hear about it today you were like 23 maybe 24 25 no 28 28 28 he was 24 okay and so you end up having the baby was there any thought of not having the baby once you got pregnant no no no not an option for you personally no no I remember the moment I thought I was pregnant I froze and then when I came to I think I passed out a little bit I think my my first thought was okay I'm just gonna have to make some changes like I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to make some changes and it was never a moment where it was like there was another option

were you partying at that point in your life was I partying I mean, you're on tour with a rapper, yeah, I guess. So, I mean, I'm not going to say I was on tour. You know what I mean. Okay, so the day before I found out of pregnant, I was in the studio at party next door. That's the biggest thing that you got to change once you get pregnant, right?

Oh, yeah. You're like really assess everything of throwing into your body. Yeah. So. Unless you're Christian on rock. Yeah. Oh, Lord.

Lord. Fix it, Jesus. Lord. Pray for that baby's hernia. We come before you today, Jesus. Pray for the hernia. Okay. Oh, my God. I can't even.

maybe late. Anyway. But the day before I found I was pregnant, I was in the studio a party next door and we were drinking gin. And I never had gin before. And I'm like, this is an old man's drink. And I got so sick, so, so, so sick.

And I was like throwing up, like crazy. And I'm like, that gin messed me up. It really messed me up. And the next day, I was getting back in the studio with him. and I had a consultation to get a breast augmentation, and then I had a hair appointment. So I went to my, no, not a consultation. It was my pre-op.

It was like a Friday, and I was having my surgery on a Monday. So I had to go get all my lab work and stuff that done that Friday just to make sure, you know, they. Before you get a boob job, you have to make sure you're okay. They're having any type of surgery. They're supposed to check all of your vitals, your levels, your iron, your blood. Like any board certified surgeon or anybody that's operating on you that they have they have to do that if they don't Don't like any anything can happen if your iron levels are off they can operate on you like unless they're unethical Obviously right but so I went in on that Friday and they're like yeah everything looks great your lab's gray you're ready for Monday just one little issue

Your pregnancy test came back indiscriminate I was like what does that mean they're like oh don't worry it could just be your HGC levels or something I don't remember exactly what they said verbatim, but they're like, we've only seen this where one time the lady came back pregnant, every other time it was just, you know, a glitch or da-da-da-da. So I was like, okay, what do I need to do? They're like, well, you need to go back to the lab and get another blood test so they can do the pregnancy test, and they gave me the prescription or whatever it is. They write for me to go to Lab Corps or wherever the heck I went. I don't remember. And it was already almost five, so the lab was closed. So they're like, okay, well, you can just go Monday morning, like just go 6 a And as long as they have enough time,

we can still do the surgery Monday. I'm like, okay, cool. So she's like, is there any chance to get him pregnant? I was like, no, no, no. So I had a hair appointment after that. I go to my hair appointment, and on the way, I stopped at a CVS across the street and got a pregnancy test.

I was like, just for shits and giggles. Like, I know I'm not pregnant. And I got the one that tells you how far along you are. Let me just get the most advanced one. So I'm sitting in the hair chair, getting my hair done. And I'm like, I'm going to go to the bathroom real quick. I go to the bathroom.

and I take the pregnancy death. I'm taking it in a bathroom in the hair salon because I know I'm not pregnant. Like if I knew it's pregnant, I wouldn't be in a public bathroom. You forgot about the prior shooting the club up? Well, I mean, I thought I took not precautions, post cautions of my own fruition.

Okay, but those don't always work. I found that out. Really? Okay. See, if I already have administered one of those, I would just be thinking like, okay, we're good. I'm thinking, hey, I did what I needed to do. Right, because the truth is that you can shoot the club up and not get anybody's over and over and over. Like, once you actually start trying to have a kid, you kind of realize like, oh, this is not as easy as you assume.

Right. So then especially if you take something to. Right. Right. And, you know, at that point, I was just being a grown woman now, just sounds so stupid. I was sneaking Plan B pills, like when he wasn't looking, when he wasn't paying attention. and I was like finding ways to go get them instead of just being an adult and be like, hey. How many babies did he already have at that point?

So at that point, I only knew about you. But there was a bunch more? There was only one more. Doesn't it have like seven total or some shit? Five. Five. Five. Really, everybody seems like they're kind of not doing too much compared to a young boy.

He got 12. And he's like 23 or something. Isn't that like, oh, he can do the whole 12 day of Christmas, my truth? love gave to me. A kid can get a different day. All his little elves, yeah. That's crazy. That's gonna be cute one day.

So at the time, there was only two that I knew of. The numbers have gone up and down. But, you know, whatever. Anyway, so I remember someone bang on the bathroom door. And I don't know how long I was in there because I blacked out. And they're like, you're okay? And I'm like, oh, yeah. So I came back down and now, like, I'm getting my hair done.

And I can't even text anybody because I don't want the hairdresser to see what I'm saying. what I'm saying. So I'm just sitting there like in a fog. Like I don't even remember. And then I left the hair salon and then I just drove straight to the studio. Again, I had a session with party next door. And I'm just driving. And I'm just sitting there like, I just walk in the studio.

And he's like, shots up. I'm like, oh, ah, e! I can't take one a day. It made me so sick yesterday. And I called, I called Carrie's father. And he didn't answer. And he texted me. I think he was like on a plane or something.

He was like, I'll call you in LA. I was like, we kind of need to talk. And so I was just sitting there. Party was in the booth and he called me back. And I just left the studio who got in my car to talk to him, tell him what was going on. And I just drove and left and never came back. And he was like, he was going to leave the studio. I don't know.

But so at that point, from that day forward, like everything changed for me. Like literally everything, I had to just, you know, decide to put on my big girl panties. and yeah. And your relationship with him deteriorated from there? No, so we had broken up before I found out I was pregnant. Really? Yeah, everyone thinks, oh, he left me because I was pregnant. No.

It was already falling apart. Yeah. And, you know, but, I mean, at that point, like, we would break up for three days and then, like, go on a weak binge, you know, just madly in love. And then, and then break up again for two days. and then break up for two, you know, so at that point, like, we were on one of our little things, and I'm thinking at that point, he was the one that wanted to have a baby. So I'm like, well, at least, at least when I tell him he's going to be happy about it.

And he wasn't happy, he wasn't unhappy. He's just, you know, it just didn't go how I thought I was going to go. You thought he was going to be ready to settle down more so? No, I didn't think he would be ready to settle down because, I mean, he was 24-year-old rock star, you know. become more serious with you? No. I mean, he had expressed wanting to be serious from the beginning. I just thought that maybe the on again off again was going to be less.

Like, you know, like the highs were very high. The lows were very low. But what I, one thing, you know, that I realized, and we've even discussed this, you know, as time progressed. You know, being that young and being at the pinnacle and the peak of his career, I think that he decided that I'm somebody he wanted to keep in his life, but not at that time because he wanted to go do what we want to do. So I think for him, that was like, oh, great. And you weren't a woman who could just be like, listen, I understand you're a rapper. You're at the top of your career.

You can fuck other girls. I'm just going to like ignore it. Yes and no. I think at that time, I would not have been open to a. relationship like that okay but I think we could have definitely been more cordial to like where we had gotten years after like again I you're he was a 24 year old rapper at the peak of his career so not saying that I don't deserve a respect you know absolute loyalty but like let's be real here like it's a respectful way to do

things a respectful way to handle things and And, you know, one thing he would do, I'd say we would be, you know, on rodeo shopping or, you know, family time or just hanging out. He'd be at the house and, you know, just doing everything. And, I mean, having the time of our lives. He would have a show. I would drop him off at the airport. He would land some random girl would pick him up from the airport. And he'd be on her camera throwing up gang signs and just like, you're not even trying to be discreet.

about it and then shade room will post it oh yeah and then I would hit him like what the fuck and he wouldn't say anything and the next day it would be a different city a different girl and more gang signs and then it gets posted again and the next city another girl and like you left three days I dropped you off at the airport and you and you haven't said a word to me in those three days no text nothing nothing ignore me completely wow then day five day four pop my back at the house and just expect to hit up holy shit drop a stack of money on the counter, I'm like, oh, babe, I had a long weekend.

It's kind of badass, though. What? Admit it, it's kind of badass. And, like, for me at that time, I'm like, are you shitting me? Right. I'm going to count this money that you just put on the counter, but are you shitting me?

But, like, I think just being that young and that powerful and that wealthy, he just didn't know how to handle things. Like, we didn't have to be in a relationship to still co-parent. and just, you know, be adults. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So, man, the stories I could tell that I won't, Jesus. No, yeah. I feel it. But, okay, so after that, though, how long were you single, doing the single mom thing? And what was it like dating in that? I mean, so up until Kari was about three, almost four, we were on and off. on and off. You know, I dated a little here and there,

but my priority is always my daughter. So I'm not one of those people that have been around my kid. You're not pulling up at my house. I'm not coming to your house. So for me, like, I would kind of entertain like an ex-boyfriend or something

or, you know, somebody that I felt like was worth the time because I just always, I'm such a mom. You know, so for a long time, I didn't really, you know, do all the things that I would normally want to do. Because it's like, how far can this really go?

You know, I don't see you as a stepdad. So unless you're possessing those qualities. And then I'm with my kid all the time. I'm not going to be running in the streets without her. And you're not going to be around my kid if I don't feel like you're in, you know, so dating was interesting. It's a tricky role. It's a tricky role.

A lot of these like men's rights like red pill type podcasts, like the way they talk about single moms. just comes off so mean to me. And it's so weird because most of their moms are those. Right. And I mean, I get it. Like, I understand that it definitely is like a very big decision to start dating a woman seriously who already has kids.

You know, it's like it's just like you kind of have to be at the point in your life where you're ready to, you know, take on some small percentage of the responsibility that being a dad is, realistically. If you're going to get serious, it's just going to become more and more like they're your kids as you spend more time with them. But it just feels so like shitty to just like talk about them the way. that some of them do. And I realize that I'm only saying this probably because I'm in the state where I could imagine like my wife being in that position if something were to happen to me or if it didn't work out, whatever. And it's just like, I don't know, it just feels so shitty to kind of talk about single

moms like that. You know what I've noticed just in my personal experience and with a lot of my friends. I can't say never, but I've, I've never personally experienced a man that was like, oh, you have kids, bye. Really? You know, and I've always, like Beyonce said, I'm everybody's type, okay? You know, obviously, I've been married for almost three years now. But like before that, like I've always been approached by very affluent men and the garbage man too.

Pretty privilege. Talk to us about pretty privilege. What's it like? I mean, what do you want to know? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just saying it's like that clearly probably like colors your life story in a way when you're like, oh, like, guys. treat me like a certain way throughout my life because I'm assuming you look pretty good

when you were 18 or whatever. You know, okay, this is what I will say. I'm not going to, I'm not going to act like it does not exist. I'm not going to try to be like, oh, it's not, you know, no, pretty privilege is a thing and I use it to my full advantage as much as I possibly can. I absolutely do. Yeah. I feel like, you know, Marilyn Monroe said it takes a smart brunette to play a dumb blonde.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I've had people like, oh, you're too, you're too pretty to use your looks. you're you're are you stupid no that I'm smart you use what you got to get what you want to a certain extent now now I'm not going to exploit myself to the point where it becomes you know something else but at the end of the day like we know men are physical beings you know I'm saying so a lot of times where you may they may be interested because of how you look but your brain or your ability or your mouth will close the deal. You know what I'm saying?

So there's a lot of rooms and doors that open for me or places that I got into because I was the unassuming pretty girl. Like, oh, she's pretty, but she don't know shit. And then they found out, oh, it speaks. Oh, it thinks. Oh, it's smart. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, I've been approached by, you name them, all the blue checks. You know what I'm saying? And all the blue collar workers. Right. You know, so nothing really surprises me or impresses me or, you know, anything like that. But yeah, it's, I don't know, it's a thing. It's a thing.

Right. I mean, it's just like, as a woman, you have this sort of like passport that can get you wherever you want to go, if you look a certain way. True. Very true. And, you know, it's just kind of crazy because it's like women just can do that. But they also are kind of potentially sacrificing some amount of reputational damage that they might be doing, especially if it becomes this public thing. You know, men have the same passport.

They have that money. True, true. So a lot of doors that I can get in because of how look, you can get in because of you can pay for it. Yeah, but it took a lot of work to get to that point. Whereas you've had that superpower, presumably, since you were very young. Yes and no. Yes and no, because I've seen pretty that ain't put together. Right.

Okay. And that's, and that's country pretty. And that's cool. That's unrefined pretty. And that's fine too. But like there's certain places that, you know, you need, sweetie, you have to use a pearl spoon for the caviar. Like, see, I wouldn't know that.

You know what I'm saying? Like there's certain places, you know. So it is different categories of it, too. You know, and then again, a lot of times you may be in the room because you're pretty, but I don't keep you in the room. Or if it does keep you in the room, you may be in. in a difference behind that room, maybe in the bed in the room.

Right. You know? So pretty is the introduction, but are you intelligent? Can you hold the conversation? Do you know what the hell you're talking about? Right. You know, is there something else outside of that?

And some people care about that. Some people don't. Right. You know, I just want people to start, to stop trying to vandalize women who are pretty that are with affluent men. It's not like she tackled you and beat you down. The affluent men that look like King's,

Cooper or or God knows what a villain they're going after the pretty women. You know, I heard Irv Gotti, he was on a podcast. And I was just sitting there like, are you mad? What, the way he was talking about Ashanti? Oh, God. Or are you talking about something else? I wasn't even talking about that, but that was. That was wild.

Men used to deny the stuff he was making jokes of. Right. And like, just kind of laughing about victimizing and womanizing and womanizing and, and misogyny and making a joke of it. Like that was gross, but that wasn't even what I was to, that's a whole different topic. Okay. But it was like maybe a week or two ago

and he was saying something about how he, I don't know how old he is, but I think he was, I think he's like 52-ish or something. And he was saying how he was dating a 25 year old Dominican girl, he couldn't believe she wanted $25,000 for him. You just said that you're dating this beautiful, drop-dead gorgeous, 25 year old girl who was more than half of your age.

I don't know if he has kids, but if you do or don't, your child could be older than her. You're with her because she is beautiful and supple and young. You have the audacity to be using her for her youth and her body and her looks and youth that you couldn't believe she asked for $25,000.

Well, I mean, these are negotiations. Maybe he's already given her stipend for the month, right? Well, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. It was just the way he was so appellation. But what if she said on a podcast, yeah, this old 52 year old washed up man who used to had the audacity to ask me to sleep with him. Well, she already made that decision, presumably, right?

She had her own free will to not sleep with them. Of course. And I'm not saying that like, let's be honest about an even exchange here. Right. If you're, if you know, if you were, if you were broke, that girl wouldn't talk to you. Right. And if you know that, then you know what you're bringing to her. And if she was fat, you wouldn't want her.

So you want her for what she looks like. And she wants you for what you have. If that's what the exchange is, then what are you opposed about? Now, if it was something different, like, oh, I met her at Bible school and she's just a genius. Or, you know, she's, I can't, like, does she catch you off guard? That's the weird thing, though. if you're Irv Gotti like like what kind of fucking relationship are you going to end up in that isn't kind of predicated on the fact that a relationship with a woman his age who's well established

he doesn't want that right well i mean it's a free country why not right right but in the same it is a free country you don't want a woman in your age bracket that what is interested in golfing you want a bad bitch that wants money right so don't go ahead do you look down on a Leonardo decaprio that chooses to just date like 20 something year old woman I'm not gonna say I look down on somebody but I it is a little pedophilic it's a little girlfriend's 25 that's not pedophilic well that's seven years removed from her being of age no no no it's not pedophilic because she's 25 because he do be having some 18 and 19 years right when she was 10 how were you right but he

didn't know that's the weird part to me to me that's the weird part it's weird it's definitely a weird thing if you knew her when she was super young Like if you knew her when she was a baby and then one day 20 years later she's 21 and you end up dating her I don't know I'm like I can't say it's wrong because I've just never been in that position but holy fuck that's got to feel fucking weird so who is it that god which actor is it is it Robert De Niro oh he's like 70 and who is it it's like two actors in their 70 to 80s that just had babies with like women in their 20s and then broke up immediately that to me like that is a that's sick because you lived six decades before this person was born five six decades you on your 50th

birthday where they even conceived that is weird right that's weird yeah and that makes me wonder what did you do that we don't know about with children because you've got a ticking time bomb tied around your neck when you're that old like it might not be tomorrow it might not be next week but you're dying soon selfish having a kid when you're like presumed to be dead in five or five to ten years I mean, I don't know. Like, yeah. At 82 or whatever it was having a kid. Like, God bless you with long life longevity, please.

But like, you're not going to be 110. If it's weird to have a kid and then abandon them, it's also weird to have a kid when you know that you're going to abandon them soon by dying. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean. The question, the only question is, is how late.

is too late for a guy to responsibly have kids. Exactly. But then also, I mean, at 82, you probably don't think you can, you, your swimmers are swimming. If I'm 55 and I still have a good amount of money, I'm definitely assuming that I'm probably going to want to make another kid, right? Because that's, five is an old. You gotta be fun.

Yeah. But that would be a great way to spend the last 20, 30 years of my life. That's awesome. Yeah. You know, that's a different story, but like 80 something, 70 something. Oh, hell, that's crazy. That's crazy. It's insane that a guy could even get a girl pregnant when they're that old.

Yeah, that's crazy. Like, how the fuck is my come going to still do anything? I feel, I think maybe like he had no idea that he could still do that type of thing. That's, he's probably busting everywhere. Right. Like, like, I just don't see in his, like, let me get you pregnant. I don't know. I don't know.

But also, once you have enough money, it's like, whoa. You're set for like kids. I mean, that's clearly why something like the rappers that we've been talking about are okay with having so many babies. They just feel like they can afford it forever. And yeah, whether you can afford it or not, your kid needs you. Here's a question you probably want to answer, honestly. How does it feel having your baby daddy getting locked up for trafficking drugs? Oh, it sucks.

Is that something you knew about while it was happening? See? Listen. Listen. If you weren't involved, I don't think you could catch a case. What an Elcroft's wife say? She knew nothing about anything. There you go.

That's good. You know, I know. I know. how it affects my daughter you know so you know we had a little time to kind of prepare but even in that you know how do you really how do you yeah how do you do that like how do you and then I'm not gonna say we were blindsided by it but But, you know, my daughter had no idea. And even leading up to it, you know, we're trying to figure out, okay, what to tell her, how to tell her.

And he wanted me to do it. And I was like, get somebody else to do it. You do it. Like, no. What did you tell a seven-year-old, yeah? Right. At the time, what she's six? Or was she seven?

No, I think, well, I think she was seven when he actually went, went in. No, she was six. So she was gonna miss his seven he was gonna miss her seventh birthday and that was the first birthday that he would actually miss well he missed her fourth birthday because of quarantine hit right then Right he still you know paid for her party we ended doing a quarantine tea party at the huge party planned and quarantine hit Two days three days before her party so we did the party with all her stuffed animals and no guess and she loved it But yeah so we you know we were getting prepared for that and um you know when he first went in And we didn't tell her for a couple months.

And she's like trying to figure out what's going on. You know, we're doing the phone calls. And, you know, as he's talking to her, she's like, want to FaceTime you. And he's like, oh, daddy can't FaceTime you. And, you know, something's going on. And, you know, and then they have the whatever that thing that comes in. This is a call from a federal prison. So every time that would come on, like, I would try to, like, distract her.

You know, so we just, it got to the point. And we're like, okay, you got to tell her on this day. But like, then it was like, okay, wait, she has this coming up. She has this coming up. Just trying to figure out the best time. There is no best time. Right. You know, so.

Because you just know that they're not going to be able to understand. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, he tried to explain it like, you know, daddy's in detention. Yeah. Type, type thing. And, you know, every little girl, you would want their father to be their superhero. You know, so it was hard for her and it's still hard for her.

But, you know, thankfully, you know, my husband takes. A lot of that, a lot of that, you know, he's very active with her. He's very hands-on with her. You know, they have their own little special bond. And, you know, so I'm very appreciative for that. Even before, you know, he went into jail. Right. Okay.

It's got to be weird for you to have gone from getting involved with this guy and he's in a certain position in life. And then having things end up like this. Weird is an understatement. You never could have expected this in a million. Oh gosh. If you have told me this, I would have called you every type of liar. Yeah. Every time.

If we could go back in time and we're having this and I was telling you that, you would say, what the fuck are you talking about? This guy is a psycho. Get them off the stage. Literally. I would call you names. Yeah. You know, because, you know, from taking your daughter to see her father and sold out arenas to now,

do I have to take her to that prison? Who would? Who would think that? You know, but, you know, it is what it is. And, you know, he's going to do his time and he's going to come home. When you make plans, God laughs. Man, doesn't he? Not really a big God guy myself, but it's a good saying.

Yeah, I mean, it's so true. It's so true. There's moments in my life where I'm like, this is going better than I could ever imagine. Thank you, God. Right. And this time I'm like, well, hold of God, hold on, wait a minute, God, God, God, hey, hey, hey, hey.

But, you know, it's life. So what happened with the guy that you ended up getting married to? How did you meet him? I don't know who he is, by the way. I don't know if he's like famous or anything. I'm probably going to something crazy about. We met 13 years ago at a club I was hosting in Houston. 13 years.

13 years ago. So right before he moved to California. Yes, literally. And he told me he was moving to California too. And when he did it, I was like, don't have time for you. And we just kind of stayed in touch, like, platonically. And then, you know, three years ago, we just accidentally, literally accidentally started. Right as quarantine started?

Or during quarantine. Yeah. Not right as quarantine started, but like, again, for me, like, I didn't allow people in my personal space. I didn't, you know, allow people to come to my house and stuff like that. So for me, it was like, I couldn't go on, couldn't go out on dates and I wasn't going to have men coming to my house. Was he pursuing you hard though?

Because you probably have to work kind of hard to make it happen. I mean, yeah. Definitely. Doing the mom thing. Yeah, definitely. But like, during that time, like, he was, he was my friend. So, you know, he had been to my house plenty of time. and stuff like that. So I was only having people that I knew that I was comfortable with to come over my house. Like it wasn't like a thing. So he was really your friend like you didn't feel like he was low-key in love with you during this time? And was there a part of you that felt like that towards him? So during the 10 years that we knew it was there that time, we flirted a little, you know, here and there. But like me, I'm one of those people like if if on the day that I'm into you or the day that I'm

considering it, you don't meet the criteria. I'm out, I'm off. I'm out of here. Like, I ain't got time. You know, like, I used to be such a, as a woman, you kind of got to be like that to not get walked all over by guys. Yeah, yeah. So you end up with all these hot girls who have like the thickest skin and they just are

impossible to communicate with because they're so used to fuck boys. Yeah. Treat them a certain way, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you got that armor built up. Exactly. And especially during that time, like,

I mean, you know, I felt like I could pick anyone I wanted to. Right. You know, well, not I felt like I could. And if I wasn't married, I still would, but I, you know, we don't have that. When you're a babe, the world's your oyster. You know, so as, as, you know, during quarantine, you know, we started hanging out more. Because again, like I said, okay, you know, there's someone that can have around. And during that time, that was probably like the first time that, you know, we started.

I actually took to like get to know him and deeper than just hanging out in public or deeper than like oh we can go to dinner we can this we can do that and as we started to have conversations and things like that I'm like oh he's he's really smart oh he's really talented or he's really this he's really that and you know just started to get to know him in a different way that I never never had before and just kind of you know change the whole the whole perception the whole idea and Um, yeah, we just accidentally, like just kind of accidentally, hey. Right.

Woke up one day and it's like, we're in a full relationship. And you got married. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Where'd you do it? Um, Las Vegas. Oh.

We got married during corns during COVID. You had like a big wedding there? No. Oh. So we are still, we're, we have the big wedding planned. But we got married, the world was still closed. But you just wanted to do it really bad? Yeah.

Yeah. So we just decided we were just going to do it. Right. And the crazy thing is I got COVID the day before or the day we got married. I'm not sure. I woke up the next morning half dead. Really? Yeah.

After your wedding? Yeah. I was dying. Like it was it was like we didn't get to. Well, we couldn't really honeymoon anywhere because it was COVID. But. I had COVID once, possibly twice and the shit was fucking. Yeah.

I had it definitely once, maybe twice. Same. Yeah. I thought I was dying and was miserable. And the day, the day after we got married, I woke up like. It took me months to feel normal. Yeah. It definitely takes a whole.

Yeah. For sure. That's a hell of a thing. But, okay, so what do you, like, actually do in your life at this point? Like, we, because, you know, obviously you were getting a little annoyed by Sharp, like, bringing up the reality TV as if that was like yesterday. It wasn't that that was annoying because, again. You don't like being reduced to it. Exactly.

Anything I've done in the past is what I've done. And even mentioned something like, oh, so you're proud of that. I'm like, this is the road I've taken to get to this place. It's not a sense of pride or a sense. sense of grief or anything like that is just this is the steps I've taken to get to this place. So yeah, I quit love and hip hop in 2017. I quit growing up hip hop in 2018. Since then I've done quite a few things.

I am a singer and actress as well. I've done quite a few movies, commercials and, you know, things like that, TV shows, sitcoms. Since love and hip hop that didn't, I guess the people don't know about as much as love and hip hop, But the craziest thing is when I go on sets to film these movies and these shows, I'm with way higher billed actors that have way less of a following or way less popularity. However, they've done a million, you know, movies that have way bigger accolades, which just goes to show you again, people only care about the negative. It doesn't really translate into your like social media following. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

But their IMDB page is stacked through the ceiling. You know what I'm saying? these amazing actors and actresses that I've been blessed to work with, whereas, you know, me, my resume is still good, but it's not as extensive, but I'm the one that people know because of the drama or whatever, you know. But, I mean, it is what it is. You know, I appreciate what I've been able to accomplish because of it. I'm a singer as well, of course.

You know, I'm still making music. I have new songs that are dropping that I can't wait to put out. We're putting out a whole EP. and I have a single called Narcissus that I'm dropping followed by a single called Done Now. It's about Sharp? It's actually not, but I- Well, you did use that word to describe them earlier. You know, it was very narcissistic.

It was very narcissistic. I have never, nor will I ever write anything with the Sharpen Mind. Oh, really? You know, but one thing, I've never wrote a love song. Really? I've never wrote a love song. I've never been in the place where I felt like, I could do it justice. I'm an amazing writer, which I think people don't know about me yet,

and I can't wait for them to realize that I'm amazingly talented musically, whether it's singing, writing, rapping, or just listening, a and Ring, vocal arranging, piecing things together. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a different person when I'm in the studio. So I've been working really hard and I'm really excited, you know, to get into more of that. So yeah, Narciss is my next single. I have two singles with some really cool features I'm super excited about. So I'm dropping three singles, three videos, and they were dropping the EP. And I have so much music recorded.

I'm just going to be putting it out. I wrote my first movie. Really? Based off, roughly based off of my life, my lifestyle before kids. We didn't really get super into that. Were you really wild? I wouldn't say I was wild with anybody else, but I mean, I just, I lived my life. Right.

I lived my life and, you know, what I tell everybody, before you have kids, be as self as as you can be. Because when you have children, it's about them. They didn't have to be here and suck it up. No one cares what you want to do anymore. Like, yeah, you should have to have a life, of course, but your children become that priority. Right. So, you know, before having kids, I went wherever I wanted.

wanted to go hop on a plane any second, date of whoever wanted to date, I just had the time of my life. So I wrote a movie kind of based off me and the building I lived in and the experiences that happened and just kind of things around it. So look for that.

Now with the writer strike and the actor strike, I'm not gonna get too much in it because I do wanna respect SAG and things like that. The dates are gonna be pushed back a little bit because of that. Yesterday, they finally reached their first agreement with the writers, thankfully. Hopefully, SAG will be following in suit because we should be starting production very soon. But again, we are going to respect the strike.

So as soon as that strike has been lifted, we will be starting production. I will be doing castings. I'm super excited. I'm also one of the main characters. And this is my first movie that I wrote. I wrote four TV shows as well. And, yeah. So I am now a writer and a producer as well as an actress.

That's exciting. Yeah. Are you like, okay, your one kid is seven. I have a seven-year-old. I have a, oh, my baby girl will be one in two weeks. Oh, okay. So you did end up having another baby. Yeah, she'll be one and two weeks.

Really? Okay. So how's that going? I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. It's, you know, different starting over. Like, you know, Cardi's a big girl. So now it's like, oh, wait, I have to start everything over.

So it's definitely a challenge because, you know, I'm super mom. So I'm with my daughter all the time. Right. You know, but thankfully, you know, during COVID, I picked up another side gig that I didn't mean to. I didn't even know about with the stock market. So, you know, I'm an avid investor. And I wrote a workbook called Stop Market Tips from a Bad Bitch. You can get it at stock market from baddrich.com.

And it teaches you the easiest way to learn the stock market. You know, I was investing before COVID, but I had my financial advisors. And after when COVID hit, I looked at my accounts. And after four years, I made $10,000. Mm-hmm. I make that in my sleep. I'm like, that's like, at that time, that wasn't even my day rate was way more than that. Like, in four years, I made less than my day rate.

So I'm like, there's no way. Like, how am I making, you know, and again, I had advisors that were investing for me, but I didn't really understand anything. So when COVID hit, and I had five TV contracts that were on hold, and I'm like, how the hell am I going to make this type of money? Like, I have Carri Barbe beating my cosmetic line. You know, I have my music. I have residuals, but nothing is going to make me money like it does when I show up to that set. So I was like, I got to figure out this investing thing. So I just kind of got on Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, just started doing my own research and

getting in the market and opening my own accounts and doing my own trades and just learning and figuring it out. And within four weeks, I made more than I made in four years. Right. You know, so I just started kind of like tweeting tips and stuff and people started like asking me questions and they were getting really aggressive like,

tell me what I do and I'm like, okay, I tweeted about that two weeks ago. Well, if you ain't gonna tell me then, I don't work for you. I'm just giving free tips guys. And I got to point, I'm like, okay, I'm not giving you all free tips anymore because people were really being nasty.

Like they thought they paid me for this information. And I'm like, I'm just one person just trying to help you guys. I'm tweeting what I'm learning as I'm learning. Like I barely even know. So then I had, you know, a lot of people were like, no, this has helped me so much. Like I've made this amount because of what you said. And you told me to buy Apple on this day. You said, you know, this.

And so they're like, can you at least make a private stock club? So I linked with only fans. I made a private stock club by only fans. And that was going really well, but they wanted more. So I ended up turning my chicken scratch notes into a workbook. And, you know, that did really well. And, you know, one thing that's really important for me is I don't want to just be somebody that's made it and my fan base or my following or the people that support me haven't.

And they're, you know, they're sitting at home poor with no money just watching me eating caviar and champagne whenever I feel like it. You know what I'm saying? Like, yes, that happens. But, you know, it's not too often that you see somebody. that has made it to a certain level of success that tries to, you know, make sure that their fan base does too.

You know, so I remember the first, the only concert that I've ever paid to go to, my first and last concert ever buying tickets to was a Ushar concert. I was 18, me and my girlfriends, we saved up money, we paid like $214 for these floor seats that ended up being shitty. And, you know, we got our outfits,

we got a driver and all this stuff. And, you know, that's the reason why is the only concert I ever paid to because after that I became famous. and now I never had to pay. I just always went. But Usherwood was like my favorite artist. He had this song.

What did you say? Dinner reservations. And Noble, Mr. Child, you just picked the location. And I used to sing it, but I would say, and do, but do, but do, but do, but, um, mm-mm. Kiddick-Kin's always saying. I had no idea.

It wasn't until I moved to L.A. And got a little money and started dating men with money that I was sitting at Nobu one day. Gotta go to Nobel. And I was at Mr. Childs one day. And it just hit me like, and Noble, I was too poor to understand what he was on.

I was too, I was at Applebee's. I was at, I was at Steak and Shake. Right. You know, so my favorite artist that I've saved up months and months of my summer camp money to go see.

And I'm singing these songs and to my, at the top of my lungs, and I don't even know what he's saying because I couldn't afford to even understand. I never heard of Nobu. I never heard of Mr. Chow's. You know what I'm saying?

So it wasn't until I got to financially able. I never want, and never is a strong word, but I want, you know, the people that support me, the people that spend money with me, the people that buy my products, the people that listen to my music, I don't want them to scrape pennies to be able to afford to support me.

You know what I'm saying? So the stock market tips thing for me and teaching financial literacy, that was something that I wanted to do to give my following, my fan base, the people that support me like, listen, I want you to make money too. I don't want to be seeing about champagne and caviar and you drinking ginger ale scraping up bills. You know, the choice is yours. Obviously, you can't force anyone to do anything. But, you know, it's just really important to me to try and give opportunity for

people to you know find it a better way how how sticky is the fan base that you get from doing something like 11 hip-hop since you've been away from it for many years like do you feel like they still follow you or is it or do they have like short attendance band a lot of them are still here a lot of them are still Instagram deleted my page like 10 times they oh really they hate me I had to start completely over from scratch 10 times what are you posting nothing do you have powerful ops I wouldn't say powerful it's just so many of them sometimes I I think that, well, especially in the past however many years,

it felt like if people just didn't like you, then they could get your Instagram taken down. And now it feels like maybe it's not as much like that. If enough people report you, they can't. But there was a while where it was so bad. Yeah. Honestly, like Instagram made up a fake reason why they deleted me. Really?

And I got to the bottom of it. Like, I actually know people there. And it was a whole big thing. But basically, if enough people report you, they can delete you. And there's a policy that says public figures cannot disparate. private people, but there's nothing that stops private people from disparaging public people. So they can attack me all they want all day long. And if I say, shut up, I can get deleted, blocked, restricted, my monetization taken away from me, anything. It doesn't matter what they said

to me. You can put a bull's eye on my head, which has happened, photos. You can say all types of disgusting things about my children, which has happened. If I say, yo mama, Right. And they say, oh, I get deleted. Hey, why did you say you hate Vlad? I didn't say I hate him. I said, he can kiss my ass or something like that, I think. Why?

You know, I was talking like I talk about a topic that had nothing to do with him. And it's kind of like that narcissism thing, like the Sharp did. We're talking about the top of that, nothing to do with you, didn't affect you whatsoever. I can't even tell you exactly what it was. It was something about a Richard Millie. And I just said, me personally, I think they're ugly. Now, that's a very expensive watch, extremely expensive watch. Right.

I just personally don't like them. I said that it looks like a fancy G-shock to me. And it was just something I was saying on Twitter. And he jumped in to tell, to say what I could afford, what I couldn't afford, and don't speak about things, you can't this and you can't that. And making comments about like, I don't, it just got to the extreme, like, like how I, where I live. And first of all, I bought a $2.6 million.

house by myself. Like comments like just just being ignorant the fact that I personally don't like the way Richard Millie's look how did that affect you? I have to read the receipts on this because that doesn't really it was weird. I would think that Vlad would have a similar attitude. I would think just because it's expensive doesn't mean you have to like it. He came for me and this was a it was a topic like it was I don't know I think meat mill it posted of Richard Miller.

I don't remember who or what but again it was a topic that everyone was commenting on. So why you'd felt the need to come and attack me is crazy, but I personally know that you've given people interviews specifically to talk about me when I never met you. And it was people that you would never interview that you gave a platform to just literally come there and rant about Maseka. Who? I want to see it. I'm not giving none of your fellow attention. I'm going to search Vlad Moseca later. But I've never, I've never been on Vlad's show ever. So it's like, how did me talking about a Richard Millie on Twitter?

But it was weird and I I went the fuck off on him and he never replied. He never responded but like I feel like Vlad's a culture vulture. In what way? I feel like he exploits black people as much as he possibly can. The man won't even show his face. He's not even on camera. He's a voice. He goes on camera, get him out.

Maybe. I'm not, I'm not, okay, I'm not pay attention enough to know. I mean, well, what is what he's doing? How different is it from what everybody else is doing? You know, I'm not going to say how super different it is. I just feel like he was one of the leaders of it. He definitely kind of invented a lot of things that became incredibly commonplace. And now when you look at what the average creator looks like in the sort of hip hop space or whatever, whether it's a math offer or an academics or a me or whatever, we're all kind of following a very similar blueprint to what Vlad was doing in 2010 or whatever, which is pretty incredible when you really, like he kind of just like saw how things were going to be going to.

play out but he definitely took a lot of shit same way academics took so much shit for like a lot of the more like gossipy shit or like just like posting about people who died and showing videos of whatever whatever he kind of got known for with the whole war and shirac thing but that that shit like is so normal now yeah his act took so much shit for being like one of the first people to do it yeah yeah i think that you know that was probably one of the pioneers of what is so common now um but it's just it's just so strange to me when men attack women for saying their opinion that has nothing to do with them. I can understand if I tagged you, if I mentioned you, what did me not liking a Richard Millie do to you?

It was just weird. It was just weird. He's never addressed it, never said anything else after that. But it was just so weird. How did that bother you? I got to find these receipts. Yeah, it's on Twitter. Okay.

It's on Twitter. How like on the scene. you feel like you're at this point because it's like partially it seems like you're probably like kind of focused on the mom thing and everything. Are you outside like at this point? Do you want to be? Because I feel like I'm so removed from that. I'm super removed. But you know, when I need to be, I'm, you know, obviously I'm still an artist. I'm still an actress. I'm still, you know, promoting different things. So there are times where, okay, you know what? I got to go. I got to go do certain things. I got to do press. I got to do this. I got to do that. But I'm so far like I'm,

I'm really far removed from the scene. You know, I like to go to fancy restaurants have champagne and caviar with my friends. I like to, you know, eat a medium rare bone and filet and go home. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't really like doing the club thing anymore unless it's conducive to something.

Like if I'm hosting a party or friends hosting a party or, you know, something like that or my friends own the club or, you know, we're doing a launch. or a celebration, but I'm, I'm usually in bed in my jammies, you know, with with a baby foot in my face or something, you know, so I mean, I'll pop out when I need to. And, you know, but don't get a twist when I'll pop out, it pops out. Really? Okay. Would you do reality TV again? Or is your life too boring at this point?

Do you think that it would make sense? It has nothing to do with my life because my life was never really on reality TV. Okay. You're kind of like signing up to have a bunch of exciting storylines, even if they're not really related to your real life. I'm just not there in life. What I told Sharp, the only show I'll be interested in doing is real housewives. But even with that, I don't want my real family on TV. I just don't.

After, you know, being exposed to what I've been exposed to and seeing how it changes people and seeing, you know, what a tough skin you have to have. just because people are so judgmental while they're sitting on their floor on their air mattress, you know, eating a can of sardines. They want to judge people that are in a position they can never be in. I don't ever want my child or, you know, someone in my mother, my spouse, or whatever the case may be, to be like, I didn't sign up for this. Why are they saying these things about me? You know, when I first got on love and hip-hop with the first three weeks, I was mortified.

Like, why would they think this? Why would they say this? And people are nasty and evil. And they just like, like, you gotta have a tough scare. Like you, if you don't have a, you'd be suicidal reading some of this just grotesque, disgusting, despicable things that people say about someone they'll never meet. And for me, it's like, I can handle it. But I can handle it.

Like to put my kid in that position. Absolutely. Fills fucked up. Yeah. I remember the fourth week that I was on 11 hip hop when those offers started coming in. The hosting gigs and this and that and the amount. that I'm like, say what you want. Say what you want.

You know, but my mom can't handle that. My mom, my mom to this day, like, mom, turn my notifications off. Like, because if someone comes at you crazy for you trying to defend me, I'm going to look up their IEP address and then we all going to be messed up, you know? And then, like, so I just don't want to involve my family in that type of thing. So everybody, oh, you need your own reality show. I don't want it. I don't want it.

Yeah. Yeah, like me and my girl did the family vlog type stuff a little bit for a while and everything. But you can control that. Yeah, but then it's still like at a certain point, it's like, okay, why am I doing this? Like doing this, like taking your Sunday, hanging out with your family and also making it partially about like setting the camera up and filming a bunch of shit. If you don't have to do it to me, it's just I would rather not do it and have my days with the family just be based on just having fun. Right. Yeah.

I respect people who kind of have to basically like. whore out their family life in order to make money. I understand that, you know, if I was in that position and I didn't have anything else going on, I'll probably be doing that. Yeah, yeah. I don't have to do it. Yeah. It's not going to do it.

You know, my daughter, she loves making little YouTube videos and she just does it on our own. And I just made her YouTube channel two weeks ago. I don't know if it's been this case for this year, but like there was two consistent years where the highest pay YouTuber was this little boy named Ryan. Yeah, yeah. Like a Nickelodeon kid. He's getting too old, so they made a cartoon version of it. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Okay, kind of like Jojo, right? Yeah, yeah, because she's like 16 or 17 or something. She's like 19 now, I think. Really? Yeah, because she was like a little kid YouTuber right now. Yeah, she can't really. Yeah.

And she's like, she's like, she's like, her whole little thing. It was a whole wild card. I wonder what happened to, well, yeah, I wonder what happened to her channel. Like if she still has. I'm pretty sure she does. It's probably still just her personality. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she does.

But, you know, so it's like, there's a lot of money on the table, obviously. But, you know, I've never been, I'm just now getting into, you know, YouTube and posting videos and stuff. and people have been asked me to do it for years. Like, I have a cooking show called Felicia's Kitchen. With the TV stuff, it was kind of like you just couldn't really like find it within yourself to like do all that work yourself. Yeah, like, who the hell wants to do that? Right.

I get it done for me. Yeah. Editing. But like then like the thing that I realize that I'm missing off, when I go on YouTube and Google like, oh, Kari wants to see a birthday party before I can even type the full name, a million videos pop up. And people, it just aggravates me. They take clips from my live, clips from my story. And they're monetizing this. Yeah.

And it's like, oh, God. Okay. Like, it's almost like, well, if I don't do it, obviously everybody else is. Right. So it's a catch 22. You know, that's the era we live in. So it is what it is. Definitely.

Okay. So, yeah, what else you got coming up? What are you excited about? Well, again, as soon as this sack strike is over, I have movie and four shows that I've written, produced, and two of the shows I'm in, two of the shows I'm not. I have a huge, huge announcement to make, again, when the strike is over.

I've partnered with some amazing people for a particular show that I'm just, I'm super excited about. So maybe when the strikes over, I'll come back to drop that bomb here. But again, be looking out for my single narcissist, please, it's coming next. I just feel like it colors so many. relationships of so many friends and people that I know I think it's just going to be super

relatable we're working on the visuals for that now that's dropping in four weeks can't wait for that and then my next book options trading tips from a bad bitch is coming that's dropping Black Friday and then I also have my book for children financial literacy tips for good kids so we're doing like a whole financial literacy thing and we want to start it early Like, your first time learning about bills and dead and credit and all these things should not be when you're in the real world. You know, I feel like a Western education teaches you to be a worker, not to be entrepreneur, not to be successful. I really truly think that the higher-ups are the agendas to get rid of the middle class altogether. I think they want it to be the super rich and the super poor.

That gives more control. You know, so I just, I'm so, you know, proactive about just constantly educating. I wish I learned earlier what I know now. I would be so far ahead. And, you know, thank God I've been able to, you know, make quite a bit in a small period of time with the investing and things like that, you know, that I've learned to where, you know, I'm able to take the jobs I want to now. And whereas before I was like, oh, I've got to get this job. I've got to get this job. And I was like, I don't need it.

I take the jobs I want, not the ones, you know, the lights are going to be on. Definitely. So, yeah, I'm excited about that. Oh, and, oh, this just in, Adam just offering my own podcast. So that's coming soon. Well, I was going to say, you did mention that. Is that something that you're kind of like looking at getting into? Well, here's the thing.

So right before COVID hit, me and Monise, who was also in love and hip hop with me, we started our own podcast. And this was before the whole big podcast era. but then COVID hit and the studio shut down that we were filming in and we couldn't get any other editors we filmed like two or three episodes and it was just kind of you know the world was closed

so it was something that we had taken from this idea we created when we were on VH1 and they created this segment called Messiness and Mimosas and it's on VH1 on YouTube you can Google it we were the first to do it and then they had other cast members do it years to come I don't know if they still do it now or not but we had created a show called the clapback recast

And again, like COVID kind of shut us down. Then I pitched it at NBC Universal. They loved it. They were picking it up, but we did not have our releases from love and hip hop. And that's actually how I got out of my contract. I didn't know that I needed one. And it was a hard fight, but I got out of it. It was a hard, hard fight.

It took years. So anyway, cut to I have my daughter and I'm like, I'm going to be home more. My husband buys all this podcast equipment. and you know I just kind of start recording but then like I don't know it's just it it was just I'm at my house with my daughter I don't want to have guests come into my house and I don't want to lead so you know but I've had a million people ask me like we need a podcast can you give us a podcast please give the podcast I've had some you know pretty big people reach out to me about hosting a podcast but what I will tell you after that sharp interview now it's like girl you have

to do one you have to do one you have to do one I don't know if you saw like the comments and stuff like that but I mean I get comments every day about everything but I can honestly say this is probably that had a nerve oh man like I've I've never seen so much love support from people like usually people try to find anything wrong with what I say it was it was just nothing but like positivity it's funny as soon as you mentioned the idea of doing something with no jumper because you know how Joe Budden has had Melissa Ford on his podcast so what's going on with that well I'm not sure exactly like where it's at because I've heard there's a little bit of turmoil

and everything, but it does occur to me that that would like, to the people, that would be like, oh, Joe got a legendary video vixen. So Adam goes and gets his own. Look at that. Hey, I mean. Not the worst I ever heard. I mean, I don't, I can think of a lot worse. I mean, yeah, but okay, the whole thing, my perspective on podcast is because I've, I've done the thing

where I've had, I've just like got somebody who, there was this guy, Long Beach Griffey, We gave him a podcast. Well, okay, it's Sharp. I'm just teased. In the streets. But Sharp already had a reputation because he came on the podcast and it did crazy numbers. I don't have a problem with Sharp. I'm just teasing by the way.

But so when I like I've done the thing, there was this guy Long Beach Griffey. I gave him a podcast. He's got millions of subscribers. Never died a podcast though. Gave him a podcast on here and it was just like him and his friends kicking it. And it didn't feel like the fans really got into it because it's like this is no jumper. If there's going to be somebody on the channel, they kind of have to to like make sense in regards to me, I think, where it's like, and I think it's, it's like that on a lot

of different podcasts or networks or whatever, where it's like, if they're going to really like care about somebody, like the best things that we've had going on as a channel is basically when we have a bunch of people that it actually feels like friends and they actually have like real relationships and like, you know, there's ups and downs in those relationships where they can come on camera and kind of talk about it. But I don't know. That would be kind of the crazy thing because I'm just thinking about all our hosts and I'm like, oh, well, we already know how the carpet music, dynamic works out.

But I wonder how that could go. Yeah. How much you know about drill music? I mean, I know a little bit. I know a little bit about drill. A lot of bit about Mickey Mouse. I don't feel like you have to know that much about, like, the music as long as you're

kind of willing to, like, tap in. Oh, yeah. I mean, like I said, I'm off the scene and on the scene at the same time. It's hard to kind of, like I said, I can tell you the latest cartoon that's popping. but I also got my ears that Daniel Tiger would be going crazy son right right period like we went to the Paw Patrol movie premiere oh really we just did

but then I'm also at you know the the adult premieres my kid keeps asking about the Paw Patrol movie yeah it comes out on the 29th I think I showed her the Mario Brothers movie when we were in Hawaii she was going crazy for that almost three oh oh oh she's yes she's talking about Mario so much and you know what stage of her life she's in like so there's a girl next door that she hangs out sometimes and she's older like a year

older than her and they hung out and my kid realized that this other kid tries on dresses all the time it's it's dress up all day every day so my girl ordered like five princess dresses and shit now my kid literally gets out of bed and puts on a fucking pink princess peach gown that is my favorite thing in the universe the fact that my seven-year-old still wants to to dress up in her costumes. Really? Like I'll order her a thousand of them because I like you know it at it only lasts for so long and then they're like there's a certain amount of time then boom

they don't want it anymore and all of a sudden like they want the latest sneaker and they want this they want that my daughter's like mom can I get this yes you can you can wear whatever costume sure right yes it's the it's the sweetest age you know what I like about it too though is that she loves the whole princess thing but she doesn't get that the whole thing with a princess is that they're like trying to find a prince or whatever like she doesn't really like know that boys exist or anything so it's like and even though like the Mario movie with the princess in that movie she's just hanging out with Mario she's

like a plumber like she really like hired him or like enlisted him to help save her kingdom it's not like she's like falling in love with him yeah so she's she's very like independent but not like a weird way yeah it's all about keeping kids innocent if you think about it like if you think about all these like great fairy tales and princess stories you don't realize to you're older but like it was all like a after a guy or after a girl exactly yeah but you know we didn't realize that as a kid but that wasn't but now a lot of the movies really kind of go out of their way to not make it like oh they're it's just like some girl and she's trying to find a guy to save her yeah they go out of their way to throw in um non-binary person or two dad's kissing or two moms kissing or two moms kissing you're about to a

Cisco moment or who wasn't Cisco who Gloria Ville does interview the other day I don't know I don't I don't give a shit because at the end of the day like keep kids kids right I don't I don't want to I don't want my kid to see a mom I don't want my kids to see kissing in a cartoon period right I don't care if it's Tom and Jerry or Tom and Samantha or you know I just don't think that we need to sexualize children especially with with things that are confusing you know like it's easy to explain procreation when you like oh a mommy and a daddy can procreate and you know make the you don't have to sexualize that you can just you know but like when it when it's not scientifically be able you now you have to start explaining things to

children that they're not even thinking about children don't know anything about like there was a cartoon I don't remember what cartoon it was but one of the kids had two dads in the cartoon okay and some some kids said something to my daughter about it and she was like what's wrong with that I have two dads you know in her mind it is nothing sexual about it she's like I have a dad and have a sub dad right you know kids don't even think like that I've yet to see like a Disney movie that I thought was too woke but I'm not like fully into it like I haven't seen a lot of them so I don't really know what it's what's out there you know a lot of times it'll be on when I'm really paying attention because it's a cartoon I was making dinner one day I just happened to look with the TV I don't remember what it was it was some fish, like fish, it was like a Finding Nebo type cartoon, but it wasn't Finding Nemo. And there was a girl fish that was saying, I don't want to go with you. And there was this big fish thing. You're going to come with me.

And she was like, I don't want to go with you. And then she had little fish friends that were just kind of looking. And the fish, she tells him no, he takes her under his fin and swims off with her. And she's screaming, help, help, help. And then another little fish swims up to one of her little guy friends and like, why didn't you help her? You just showed a woman being abducted against her will on a cartoon? Like who writes this? And it's I just so happened to be glancing, you know, you know, I don't pay attention to the cartoons all the time because it's a cartoon. And I'm like, you just subliminally told children a woman can say no. A man can still grab her and everybody can just watch. Right. And a cartoon with fish on what? Do you ever see this one of the princess and the frog? I think it's called. I saw it last night. See, I haven't watched it fully, but I've seen it. It's interesting because it's basically like telling kids about like racist. and income inequality because it's like these it's like a black dad and daughter and then a white

dad and daughter and there's like the rich people and the poor people and their storylines are playing out side by side and then at some point the black girl becomes a frog and that kind of colors a lot of it I won't spoil too much of it but I was watching last night I've seen parts I've never watched the full thing yeah I was I was tuned in last night and I thought that was pretty interesting because it's like important shit I'm all for good life lessons yeah I'm all for you know a little bit of a life lesson mixed with some entertainment. Maybe not a fish getting abducted against her well.

No, for sure, yeah. No, but when you watch a lot of the older cartoons, too, like, when I'm watching Pinocchio, it's like, holy shit, they're really showing them smoking and stuff. And stuff that we never showed them. Yeah, which I never would have thought that that's bad. I guess that's probably what made me think smoking was kind of badass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Pinocchio did it. Yeah. I think it might have been Japo. Or Trombole or whatever, but. Pinocchio was all my kid talked about for a while. Really? Oh my gosh, you would not shut up about it constantly and then again he's a liar That's very true. He's a bad life lesson I wish every time someone lied their nose really grew Well, let me not say that because we lie to our kids all the time. Yeah, right like it would be hard to

I wish like every time your significant other lie Mm hmm only that that'll be great I'm trying to think of like a defense mechanism that you could Would you have a long nose? No I don't lie to her. I kind of believe that. I kind of, I kind of significant.

I kind of believe that. Yeah. But you got a lot of the kid all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. That's terrible. It's true,

but it's weird, but you have to lie to the kid constantly. Yeah. If that was enforced strictly, it would be tough. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of things would change.

Okay. I appreciate you coming on. Thank you. And thank you for staying in your seat. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I should storm out of here. Yeah. Let's,

That would be great for the content. I think we should just do it. Why not? Yeah. Fuck this. On the kind of they, fuck the shit. Can I flip the table? Maseka, no jumper.

Hey! Get the hell out of here. What the fuck this shit, everybody? You have to stay there and yell at me for 20 minutes. Wait, where are you going, Adam? Adam? What? Really? This is gotta be the clip that we play too.

This was awesome. Thank you.