No Jumper - Mc Magic Talks 'So Fly' & 'Pretty Girl', Meeting Lil Rob, Labels Taking Advantage Of Artists & More

Episode Date: August 20, 2022

Mc Magic talks about his early days, becoming a DJ, producer, labels, Bootleg Kev, Snow Tha Product, and more! ----- 00:00 Intro 0:44 - MC Magic on why he’s so passionate about making love songs 2:08 - Taking it as a compliment when everyone thinks he is from LA. DoKnow was heartbroken when he found out 3:57 - Watching his older sisters run away with their boyfriends after their father left 4:52 - Teaching himself about music as a kid by studying pop music on the radio 6:23 - Magic sings the first song he ever wrote at 10 yrs old 7:18 - Being one of the few Latinos in a band in high school, became a DJ after getting kicked out of the band. Making his own turntables 9:27 - Lying to get his first DJ gig. Experiencing “Rappers Delight” and the beginning of hip hop in the 80s 12:45 - Bringing out 2,000 kids to Teen Night every week at his first club gig in Phoenix 13:38 - Originally DJing as “The Magic Mixer” and shortened to “MC Magic” when he started rapping 14:03 - Life changed after “Lost in Love” in 1990. Holding on to it for 2 years and recording the final version in one take 15:45 - Origins of NB Ridaz. Accidentally formed ‘Nasty Boy Klique’ with his second album. Leaving his record label forced him to change the name to NB Ridaz 17:05 - Rejoining his original record label with better terms after NB Ridaz's first big song “Runaway” blew up in 1999 18:18 - Magic explains how he wrote the legendary intro on “Pretty Girl" 25:26 - The difference between music today is the people try to sound like whoever’s hot 26:05 - Being inspired to do talkbox Roger Troutman. Borrowing 10K to get Roger on his song. Being blessed with a talkbox from Roger’s family after he passed away 29:12 - Working at the same swap meet as Bootleg Kev where he would bootleg MC Magic CDs. Magic admits he also bootlegged CDs as a DJ 30:24 - Dominating LA radio in 2004 led to the first NB Ridaz show in LA in 2005 32:36 - Magic remembers recording “Love Again” with Jenny Rivera and shooting the music video with Estevan Oriol 37:53 - Only regret from his career is that Twista couldn’t be in the music video for “Diggin” with Snow Tha Product 39:10 - First meeting Snow Tha Product and giving her her first shot when she was still known as Snow White 43:33 - Magic explains how his label cut him out when he tried to get Lil Rob signed. Got no money after producing some of Rob’s biggest hits 46:54 - How labels taking advantage of artists, and force them to tour to make money 54:36 - Magic breaks out the Talkbox 56:14 - DoKnow and Magic sing “Pretty Girl” and “Lies” together 58:42 - Magic brought special gifts for DoKnow. Turning his songs into makeup palettes ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! nojumper.com SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are back with another interview with your boy, do no wheel right here, all this motherfuckin-no jumper. And we got the legend, the mid, the one and only, the one that makes the Tia screams, the grandmas, the girls, the young girls, the older girls. We got MC Magic in the building. How you doing, man? Do no, thanks for having me, brother.

I'm blessed. Man, I just want to start off. Thank you for what you did for our people, man. You've been holding it down, making love music for, I guess you could say, like the Latinos are raised in, in the States and stuff like that. You're mixing up English and Spanish. And just, thank you for making so many songs that I cater dedicated to so many girls,

even though I didn't know half of the men until I got out there. I appreciate you for that, man. You're welcome, my brother. You know, making love songs has just been something that was just born in my heart. It was born out of being Latino, really, you know? Yes. You know, my mom and my mom playing Los Terricolas in the background, Jose Jose, Santa Fernandez.

Okay. You know, all that good stuff. It just, it gets in your DNA is what it is. Most definitely, I was raised with immigrant parents, so I grew up a lot on like, well, my parents didn't really grow up too much, but for sure listening to some Jose Jose every once in a while. Yeah. Some Hongrabeil in the Saturday morning, Sunday morning while we're cleaning it. But definitely grew up on more like love forgar rock and Spanish songs. That's fire.

Fire. Fire. Yeah, exactly. All that good stuff. And I actually grew up in the process. projects in Arizona. In Arizona. And so in the projects, you know, we're blended.

We're Chicano's and blacks. And so the R&B became a real big part of my influence as well, you know, listening to some to some key sweat, way back in the day, like Morris Day in the Time, everything that babyface produced, all that kind of stuff. And so all that music also became part of my influence. And that's why my music has that mixed up sound. And then, of course, Zapp and Roger, we, you know, with computer love and more bound. and always love the talk box.

So a fact that I was able to bring talk box in and make it part of my staple, it just came amazing. That's crazy. Can you hear you, one, I want to let you know that I was heartbroken when I found out that you weren't from L.A. I was heartbroken, bro.

I was a kid and I was like, he's from Arizona? And they were like, yes. And I was like, you're lying. That's dope, man. That's actually a compliment. That's actually a compliment because L.A. and Chicanoism is like the pinnacle.

Yeah, most definitely, yeah. And to me, that's a compliment for people to say, I always thought you were for MLA, but I get that a lot. You do you. So you do get that a lot. Yeah, I'll be in Texas and Chicago and Florida and they'll be like, man, I miss L.A., bro, right there on Normandy, bro. That's why I used to kick it. You'd be like, where's Normandy?

No, and I know now because I'm always over here. Yeah, I was over here. How was your upbringing in Arizona and in those projects and just being Latino and for A-Z? You know, it was dope. I was the kind of person that actually listened to my mom. Okay. That actually listened to my mom. You were scared of the whippins.

I was scared of the ass whoopens. And not only that, I saw my mom and my dad break up and the toughness that she went through. I'm like, man, I don't want to make her life worse. Okay. Because my mom, seven kids, right? And then my dad left when I was 10. So she said, if you do this and this and this and this,

and if you do this, you're like, I don't want to go to jail. I definitely don't want to go to jail. So I try to listen to what mom said, and I stayed away from. from the craziness, but I think God gave me music to kind of be my dad, because my dad wasn't around, but music kind of guided me through like all kind of good stuff. Are you the middle child, the youngest, the oldest?

I'm exactly the middle child. I have three little sisters and three big sisters. Oh, so you're literally the middle. Oh, you're the only guy? I'm the only boy. God damn. You know what's crazy because I'm the only boy too, but I mean, I don't have six sisters, but I have three of them, including my mom because I don't have a dad, so it's literally

for a woman and just me. That was crazy, right? Yeah, it is crazy. And, you know, the older sisters, what I watched, what I watched my older sisters do was, as soon as my dad left, they're like, forget listening to mom.

I'm running away with my boyfriend. All of them. All of them. All of them. And I'm like, damn, is this what happens? But I guess that's what happens, you know? Most definitely, I think, my older sister definitely ran away

with her boyfriend. I like at a pretty young age. My other, but both my older sisters, the two oldest ones, the minute they hit 18, well, I think when you're already a product of the environment and you're like, my older sister went through a lot.

So the minute she was already an adult at the age of 15, 16, in reality. She was already in a dog. But the minute she had 18, she was definitely like moved down. My sister, until the minute they hit 18 and my mom was like, you provide me the GED or the high school diploma, you could move on with your life. Do what you do. And that's exactly what they did. But your sister's leaving or in doing their thing,

did that affect you because it affected your mom? you know I kind of I kind of was in my own world I've always been a loner okay and because my best friend was the stereo you know I was listening to and I was listening to all type of music as a kid I remember that we had a boombox in the house I don't know who belonged to but we had a boom box and I would take that boom box and I'd listen to like the AM station back in Phoenix when I was a kid yeah no R&B music or black music was on FM it was all like Puro like classic rock the eagle

pop like, you know, whatever was popping back then. Yeah. And only AM station had like black and R&B music. It was 1060 KQ AM. So I would record 1060 KQ. I will record Copa. Copa was the pop station that had American Top 40. Can you remember the artists that were playing at the moment?

Oh man, lots of artists. It's funny that you say that because like I'll just, I'll listen to random radio stations and I don't know songs that I, damn I haven't heard this since I was 10 but I know the song by memory because as a kid music just gets into you bro yeah you were just so invested in it yeah yeah yeah and I was listening to

everything like tears for fears like the early George Michael that song I have no clue you're talking about magic but I definitely know it they did a great inspiration on you George Michael is careless whispers bro I'm still confused I was born in 2000

yeah in 2000 I was already dropping music bro my first album came out 95, man. Okay, so let's get into the music. Can you remember the first song you ever wrote, whether it was good or bad or whether it was just something you knew you wanted to do? Can you remember? I do.

Me and my homie Marcos, we were living temporarily in Tucson at the time in some little apartments, and me and my homie Marcos would bang on like the white drums, the five-gallon drums. And I wrote a song called We Fell in Love. And I still remember the melody used to go, We fell in love. That's crazy.

When we made a mistake, something like that. I think I was probably 10. You were 10? Yeah, yeah. Okay, and then throughout high school, were you invested in music? The way, obviously you're a fucking legend now. But were you invested in, like, were you doing, like, was there, like, programs out of your high school or middle school or was stuff like that?

I did. I joined the high school band when I was like a sophomore. And I figured, you know, if I can learn to play an instrument, then maybe I can make music down the road. Because when you're a kid, you have dreams, but you really don't believe they can come true, you know? Yeah, most definitely. I thought I was going to be an NFL player,

but little that I forget that I'm 5'9 and, like, can run that fast, and I ain't like tall as fuck, but I... Yeah, so when I joined the band, because it was, I lived in a little suburb called Avondale, and in the band, first of all, there's very little Mexicans in the school that I used to go to, Agua Fria, and then the, and even less Mexicans, in the band. You know, they were mostly the Gringitos that were, they were in the, you know, in the band. In the band. And so the white teacher would give favor to the Gringito boys.

That was a thing. Yeah, it's always, it always was that way. And so I was on snare, snare, and I was just trying to get my snare. And there was a kid named Scott Leach. He's like, you know, you don't do it very well. Let me show you. And so Scott Leach would always take over and wouldn't let me even, like, learn. And he was kind of a bully.

So when I pushed him once, he fell all the way down the thing. Down the bleachers. It was not the bleachers. I'm about to say, you committed into salt magic. In band class, they have levels. It's like stairs, but you have like the flutes, the clarinets, the trombone, and then the drums were at the top. What age was this? Man, I was probably 14, 15.

Okay, so he was like, man, fuck you, Scott. He went down. He went down. And then after that, he just let you do your thing? No, I got kicked out of band. Oh, you got kicked out of band. So after you got kicked out of band Where you kind of like, man, I don't want to...

Music maybe isn't for me. No, I never gave up on music Because music never gave up on me. And so I said, I got to do music one way or another. And then back in that time, like Grandmaster Flash, UTFO, Rappers Delight, all that stuff was coming out. And I'm like, I've got to be a DJ. So I couldn't afford to buy turntables.

So in woodshop, I made these square boxes and I took the turntable from the living room. I put it in there, screwed it in, figured out how to wire it, and I made my own turntables. That is fucking crazy. The fact that you made your own... And at what age was this? Like I said, 15, 16, around there, yeah.

And can you remember your first DJ gig before your any music, any, like, music making gig? I actually do because I lied to get the gig. I had just moved to that new projects in Avondale. And this girl, our neighbor, Shirley, she said magic. She didn't even say magic, because I haven't even magic yet. You know what I'm saying? And so she said, I'm having a birthday party. Do you know any good DJs?

And I did that. And I did that. And I did that. Yeah, I'm a DJ. I'm a DJ. She said, for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She goes, because I have a birthday coming up on Saturday,

and I need a DJ. And I'm like, I got you, but I just need to borrow your mom's stereo system, you know what I'm saying? Because my equipment is way back where I used to live. That was a lie, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so I said, and if your mom gives me like $20,

I'll go buy some records, because back then it was seven-inch records, you know what I'm saying? And so I went and bought, like, cutie pie and Zap. Cutie Pye. Y'all got a reason. Oh, that party was going nowhere where the fuck you was at. It was that one and Let me see you groove it on the dance flow, baby

Did you get any hip-hop ones? That was hip-hop. That was hip-hop. That was hip-hop. Wow, that's crazy. So at the moment, there was no Snoop and all that. No, Snoop didn't even come out until way a year later. That's crazy.

Imagine going to a party like, hey, man, we go to a hip-hop party. And then you just walk in and it's like, cutie-pack. That's crazy. See, but back then, hip-hop was just starting out. Like when rapper's delight came out, to me, that was like the beginning. of hip hop on a commercial level. Yeah, okay. And that was probably, I want to say,

uh, 80, 86, 87 around there. That's crazy. Can you remember how the party went and how good you did? It was dope, man. I was addicted. As soon as I started DJ and Shirley's party, I was like, this is it right here. This is what I need to do.

Yeah, yeah. And then after high school, you just continued the little gigs like at clubs and private parties or was it like, you were already kind of stable in the city and you got the radio gig? I know you did the radio too. Yeah. The same people that. that kicked me out of band, hired me to DJ the school dances.

And so it was weird that they kicked me out of band, but then like, well, here's a free DJ that goes to school here. And so when I started DJing dances, I figured it out. But then I was doing them for free just to get my name known. And I were also DJ for free at the park on Thursday nights. And we would get a crowd. And I started handing out my little business cards. And so that's how my business started.

Wow, you were a DJ at the park on the OU. He's at Friday night? The way I figured that I was if I DJ Thursday night, I got Friday, Saturday, open to make money. Oh, so it was a Thursday night. It was Thursday nights. Can you remember, like, how did that come about?

Like, hey, I'm just be at this park and let me connect my shit here. Yeah, there was a lady that worked at City Hall in the city of Avondale. Her name is Linda Tyler. If you're still alive, Linda, thank you for giving me a shot. Shout all Linda, man, for being a great woman. Yeah, I went to Linda, and I said, Linda, I'm trying to keep the kids off the streets. I want to put music over there and just play so people can have a good time. I'm like, you work at City Hall.

Tell the police to go guard over there, that way there's no problems. and she laughed at me she goes who are you trying to keep off the streets I'm like you know like the young kids she goes how old are you I'm like I think I was 14 and she laughed at me she said we're gonna give you a shot and Thursday nights the first night we did it was just me and my friends it probably we had 18 20 people

but it got so big that the police said there's too many people coming out we got to stop Thursday nights but by that time I was already popular in Avondale you were already popping and then can you remember the first club you did yeah yeah I used to DJ this This club called Studio West and Phoenix. It's crazy how I remember we used to try to beat our record because I had Sunday night, teen nights. Yeah, Teen Nights.

I did Sunday night, Teen Nights at the club and Studio West. We used to get up to 2,000 kids every Sunday night. God damn. It was cracking, bro. Can you remember what the songs he was bumping? It was the same like agenda, like the cutie pints and all it? Like Bust the Move by Young MC. Wow.

Bust a move by Young MC. What other songs were, Tone Low? Let's do it. Oh, wow. This shit is crazy, Magic. You really like... You really went through every step to the shit. Yeah, that's...

That music was good. And, I mean, I was there when JJ Fad came out. You know, Super Sonic. That was hard, you know? Oh, because I'm literally born in 2007. Some of the shit, I know, like, maybe one or two names. Where does the name Magic come from? Oh, was your name already Magic while you were DJing?

I started as a DJ. I named myself the Magic Mix. I figured I was magically mixing music together. And then when I decided to start writing songs, when actually when I wrote Lost in Love, I said I need an MC name. And my initials were already MC, Marco Cardenas. So I said MC magic. Wow.

Okay. Wow, Lost in Love is crazy. When was Lost in Love written? It was probably like, it was written in my mind on the New Year's Eve. I remember it was New Year's Eve that I wrote it in my mind, but I couldn't make it music until later when I learned how to make it. later when I learned how to make music. But when I first wrote it, it was like a New Year's Eve.

I was sitting there and just, you know, imagining the perfect girl. And I wrote the chorus only. I want to get lost in love with you. Yeah, and I wrote that. And I stayed in my mind. I didn't write it on paper because it stayed in my mind. And so finally, maybe two years later back in like in 1990 or 89, I met this girl Tracy. And Tracy had a pretty voice.

And I'm like, Tracy, can you sing this little hook for me? And I made just some BS music real quick on my keyboard. And Tracy sang it. And it's still the song that you hear today, that very one first one. 1990, dog. That's 10 years before you were born, bro. It's crazy to know that. And this is me giving your flowers that you still are torn off these songs that were made so long ago.

Yeah, it's amazing. And such legendary things. was Lost in Love the first song that you the first time you knew music was like forever going to be you? Yeah, yeah. It definitely was the first one that I saw that I saw the crowd react and I was like oh damn they're singing my lyrics and the rush that you get

through your body is like a calor frio you know what I'm saying? Can you remember the first time you performed it? Nah, I don't. It had to be at a lowrider show had to be at a lowrider show. That is crazy. Lost in Love is a trip And you wrote that as MC Magic. As MC Magic. MB Raiders came down the line? Yeah.

What happened was I came out in 95 as MC Magic. MC Magic. In 95, when I dropped my first album, Lost in Love was on it. Lost in Love was on it. It was like one of the first songs that I wrote a few years before that. So in 95, that came out. And then I started to work on my sophomore album, which is my second album. Yeah, sophomore.

And when I did that, I met some other dudes from the neighborhood and from Glendale. And back then, features was it. a big thing, you know? It was just you do your own thing, everybody does their own thing. And so because I had so many features, I thought, man, I can't call this an MC magic album. So I just named it after my record company, Nasty Boy Records. I named it Nasty Boy Click. It was supposed to be a compilation and people thought Nasty Boy Click is a group.

Yes. You see what I'm saying? And so then Nasty Boy Click came out and I made a contract with this one record company out of San Jose and I just wasn't happy with how things were going with them. and so in 98, after our second album, I told the owner, John, I'm like, I want to leave. I don't want to be here no more. I'm not happy with you make all the money.

I don't make nothing. And so he's like, yeah, you can leave, but under the contract, I own the name, Nasty Boy Click. For Nasty Boy, Click. And I'm like, keep the name. I'll make another one. And that's when I changed it to NB riders. Wow.

People stand up for yourself against these labels. Look what happens. The legends, legends are made. And then, and this was, was 98. 98 is when I left. And then Embryters popped off 99. And then the first single of Embryder's was runaway.

We can run away and spend some time. Yeah, okay. And so because now I knew people at radio stations, I could send them my record directly. And so when I started sending it to him, John up in San Jose, he's like, magic. He goes, what's this song that you got? And I'm like, yeah, we're called NB riders now, bro. And he's like, I need you to come back. Come back to the label.

I'll give you some money. I'll take care of you. And so we made a deal and he gave me a good little amount of money and I brought the whole group back and I said, but this time whenever we break up again or we have a fallout,

you don't own the name anymore. He's like, see more magic, whatever you want. And then contracts were written. Yeah, exactly. Okay, yeah. And actually, that was a handshake deal that I made with John.

That was a handshake. It was all the word. And he kept his word. He never tried to take the name MB writers. He kept his word, John Lopez's name because he came to Phoenix actually to meet with me.

We went to a little burger joint called Lenny's Burger, and that's where we made the deal. That is fucking a trip. Like, your life moves so quick, and the love of music is just so fucking like, can you remember when you guys wrote Pretty Girl? I do remember when I wrote Pretty Girl. When I was doing The Hook to Pretty Girl as a rapper named Diablo from San Diego, he sent me some beats. He's like, Magic, I want to work with you, bro.

Let's do a collab. You know, he's got kind of like the Chicano accent because he speaks more Spanish than English. And so Diablo sent me a few beats. And when I was listening to that beat, the pretty girl beat, and I just jumped in the box and I started freestyling a whole bunch of stuff on my talk box. And then I came out of the studio and I listened to everything and I'm like, that's the hook right there. Something about you, baby.

I cut everything else out and that became the hook to the song. I think that intro is just so fucking legendary. That part is crazy. Okay. So let me give you this one about my. life now about this song pretty good, right? I remember the first time I heard it. Um, the hum girls were playing. Obviously, we're growing up. So it's like, kind of like we're listening to. We listen to some my era is very big on like the YGs and like the school boy cue and like

Casey. So we're like very entitled to hip hop. You know what I mean? No doubt. Yeah. But as also being Latinos, all of our older like sisters or tias or moms are fans of you guys. You know what I mean? But I remember like there was a point in the time where like a lot of Latinos probably would and listen to Latino music, maybe because it was like, not like down upon, but it was just like, that's not really what we grew up to, you know what I mean? Because, and then, but I think you guys and like, obviously, Little Rob is a big, Summer Nights is a classic. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? But I think pretty girl is just one of those things where, like, if you're dedicated to a girl, it's something that hasn't been dedicated to a girl at your, at my, at least in my, so you know how many times I've dedicated this song, bro? Magic, you don't understand. I just want to put that out there. I've gotten so much pussy Because I know word by word

And I don't only know the hook Magic I know the Fuck I know the verses If you superiors Yeah I know what I shit I know the verse So That song is just a fucking

That's love bro You know I think the reason Music becomes part of your life Is because it reminds you Of a special time in your life Most definitely I definitely had a good time And I want to let you know

Obviously we're gonna have more We're gonna get into more this conversation but every time i like host a club and it's like a latino club i always make sure before i leave your song is always the last one come on thank you brother thank you and then i'll show you i have a mix that i did for a whole reggaeton thing and your song is the last one before before i yeah before i done i'm seeing i appreciate the fact that that that that you were able to to be a part of my music when it was coming out yes but here's here's someone that i hardly ever give credit to and i want to give credit to because if it wasn't for her, our songs would not be as big as they were.

Like Pretty Girl was a B record. It wasn't the main single. The main single was, So Fly, so cool, baby girl, can I talk? That was crazy. I'm only in time for one night. These songs are so fucking crazy, but continue. So So Fly was the single. That was the first single from the NB writer's last album that I produced. And every hit, every hit was recorded in my house, bro. in my little home studio. All of them. So it's crazy, you know. And was there a reason why you guys just, okay, obviously you guys put the tape together, right?

You and the nasty board, you, what, fuck it was it called? You and NB. Reddy's you guys put the tape together. And obviously you guys go like, we want this to be track one, track two, track three. This isn't what, 2000? No, no, I did everything. I did. I was the executive producer, the director, the manager.

So you're killing it, right? So you're sitting there at your house in your little studio and you're like, yeah. Okay, this song, this song, boom, boom, let me put this here. This is what, 1999 or 2000? 2003 because the album came out in, yeah, it came out in 04. Okay, 04, right? So you're sitting, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And you're like, so flight's the one. I promise you, and correct me if I'm wrong, you did not think Pretty Girl was going to be Pretty Girl. I didn't think Pretty Girl was going to be such a huge record. Wow. Yeah, and even Lost in Love, every time we released it, it was on the back of something else. It wasn't the main single, even Lost in Love. Like, and the first time, well, first we released it, it was on the back of a song called

Summertime. And then on the back of a vinyl called Just a Groove. And then on the B side of down for yours. And so, lost in love just went by itself. Yeah. Same to pretty girl. That's, that's, I always thought, because obviously I was fucking four when it came out. So my sister was in her, in her teenage.

So she was going, wow. Like, she was like, bro. And she said, when NB writers came out, she's like, you don't even understand. Like, like, if you knew soul fly, word by where, you know how much. pussy irrigating you know how much shit was going on my like the hardest motherfucker ever was listening and singing this shit word for word that's amazing to me that's amazing to me because you know we wrote them with sincerity i wasn't trying to make it here and i believe you because there's a reason that's what i'm trying to say right i think um music in nowadays everybody just trying to go for

was was was popping 2004 hip-hop was probably at his fucking highest doctor dr dray snoo Come on. When the chronic came out. That whole arrow. When doggy style came out. Because you could. Listen, when NWA came out. Oh my.

I was there, bro. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Anybody could have been like, you know what, let's rap. You could have easily been like, fuck this love shit. Let me follow the trend. But you continue to do what you did and what you loved and what you knew and what you knew you had a passion for. And you fucking released and made shit like, lost in love.

Even though Lost in Love you made a little back back then, you brought it a little more back to life. Yeah, what happened was the upstairs re-released it in 98. Yeah, re-released it. And that's when they called it Nasty Boy Click. Nasty Boy Click. Yeah, because they asked me, do you have any other hot love songs? And I got this old one called Lost in Love.

And they're like, let's release it as Nasty Boy Click. And so that's actually how we got signed again, because our first time we got signed, it was Mercury Records, and then we signed the deal with Upstairs Records. Okay, yeah. And then you guys, that is a shirt, bro. That is crazy. And then can you remember?

Obviously your life had changed already with Lost in Love. But I want to back up a little bit. You said even though all this rap and hip hop was going on, you know, I had to be real to who I am. Exactly. You know, I never been a gang member, never been violent. I mean, I had to whip somebody's ass once. You got to tell me that story about you. It was just in high school.

I had a bully. I had a bully named Alberto. He used to mess, mess with me in welding class. Fuck, Alberto. I was welding one time. And he hit me in the Costco and it messed up my welding and I was like, man, I'm tired of this shit. So I got some welding rods and I just beat the crap out of him. Fucking Alberto.

Got your ass will from playing the wrong person. Yeah, but God bless you, Albert. That's all love. Hell yeah. That's crazy. That's what I'm saying, like staying true to yourself and all the love, great music you make. And not just love. I'm talking about like, because music is not about making the music.

It's about having the passion, you know, putting shit together, like like tapes and stuff like that. Yeah. And you know, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I'm talking about, because My opinion, that music tape has gotten away from being original and more like let's sound alike. Exactly. Let's sound like Drake. Let's sound like, you know, whoever it is that's hot. And so, but back then, like Snoop said, everybody sounded different.

I didn't sound like Nas. Nas didn't sound like Jay. Jay didn't sound, you know, like NWA. Everybody was one of a kind. Like think about outcast. Nobody sounds like outcast. Nobody, to this day, nobody sounds like that. And that's what I'd be trying to explain to people.

But when I explain to people about you, I'm like, bro, nobody sounds like magic. I mean, yeah, it's just like a lot of love music and shit like that. But I think the way you, the talk about shit, I know other people did it, but the way you did it was at a whole other level. Yeah, and I was inspired by Roger Troutman because you know what Roger Troutman is. Because you're young. Let me educate you. Okay, go ahead.

Put me on. Project. Roger Troutman is the creator of Zapp, the band. And he's a producer of songs like, Computer Love, I. I want to be your man. I don't know him, but I know the song. Yeah, so Roger is the dude behind everything. Okay.

You know, he's like, I'm the magic of M.B. Riders. He's the magic of Zapp. Okay. And so Roger, I got to work with him. I made a song called Down for Yours, and I knew it was a great song, but I wanted to feature Roger.

And this is around the time when he had already done California love for Tupac and Dre. Wow. Like Roger, that's him. That's who does California Love. That's Roger. That's Roger. Okay. That's him.

He died already. RIPP Roger. Rest in peace, Roger Troutman. Roger inspired me so much just working with him. Like I heard somebody say the other day, to be great, you got to rub off of somebody great. And I think being in the studio with Roger Troutman, it just put something in me that made me say, I got to keep doing this and I got to be great like him. Yeah.

He's so amazing. And watching Roger perform was just amazing. Zapping Rogers is what they used to call it back in the day. Yeah. And more bounce to the ounce. dance floor, girded through the Great Vine. You probably don't remember

none of these records. When you and Zadrater linked up, how, how, can you remember when he first co-signed you and you were like, fuck? Unfortunately, he didn't co-sign me.

He charged me. He charged me. He said, magic, listen, Dr. Dre paid me 18 racks to do California love. Now, this is 96, bro. And I'm like, damn, Roger, I can't afford it.

He goes, let's do 10. And I had, like, like $800, $900,000 in my bank account. And he wanted 10 racks. And I'm like, fuck it, let's do it. I didn't have the money, but I knew I had to get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got it.

It took me a few days. I put my resources together. I sold a car. I went and applied for loans. I borrowed from my mom from the homies, and we pulled 10 grand together. So Roger could be on down for yours if you're down for mine. Ooh, nasty boy.

That's Roger, right there. That is fucking crazy. It sought up you for supporting the business because you usually could have been like, I'm okay, I don't want to have to do it. I needed it though. It was real. I had to have it. And then after he died, like I didn't play the talk box.

But after he died, I was like, shh, man, I can never feature another talk box record. That's crazy. This is before I wrote Pretty Girl. Yes. And I can never do another talk box record. And just one day I got an idea in my mind. Call his brothers, call Zapp and Lester,

and asked him if they will make a talk box for you like Rogers. And I did. and they did. And that's why I got that gift handed down to me. That is crazy. The history that comes with your, the greatness you make

and the greatness you've done is just so fucking crazy, bro. That shit is, I said, Chip, I also want to let you know. Did you know that Bullleg Keb used to bootleg your CDs back in the day? Oh yeah, yeah.

We worked at the same swap meet. What a piece of shit, huh? Hey, but let me be honest with you. There was a time when I needed to make money so I bootlegged a lot of motherfuckered songs. I saw mixed tapes. I saw mixed tapes at the swap me for a long time, bro. Yeah, man, I seen the interview I did,

and then I remember I seen him when he was like, man, somebody would tell me that you were going to come and I would have to hide all the other ambi riders. He's a homie, though. Yeah, he's a homie. Yeah, he's a homie. Yeah, you got their book for Phoenix and shit like that. Yep, Phoenix Suns forever, baby.

I don't know about all of that. Y'all motherfuckin'all fucking stay talking. Get rid of Chris Paul, y'all. Y'all need a real point guard. Y'all bullshit. But I could be honest with you, even though I've been invited to perform at the Phoenix Suns during the playoffs and all that.

Sports is not my thing. I don't know analytics. I'm a bandwagon. I'll tell you. When we're winning, I'm wearing the judge. Anything says Phoenix, I rock it because I rep the city. The city, yeah. But I don't know stats and who's getting traded.

My son will tell me all that, but I don't care. I'm all about the music, you know? Dan, that's a true. But yeah, I seen that, I was like, I was like, boo, like, no wonder your name is such. You should have such a piece of shit name. And he was just like, you know, he's a homie, so we'd be talking shit at each other. But when I seen that, I was like, fuck, that is a trip. Can you remember the first show you did in L.A.?

Yes, yes. I remember we did a show in L.A. It was NB. Riders. When we had our song called So Fly, and then our second single, Pretty Girl, had come out. So we were like all over Power 106 back when Big Boy was in the morning at Power 106. Okay. What year was this? Like, 20006, Southern 4?

It was 0, 0, 405. 04, 05. And so we had, we're dominating L.A. Radio. For some Arizona boys to dominate L.A. It was rare. It was crazy. And so they put us on a concert called Powerhouse.

And we were on that and we just ripped that show down. It was amazing. A powerhouse at the Pond Center. It was an Anaheim Pond, which is now called something else. Is it the Anaheim Pond? I don't know. Riley, can we look up with the Honda Center? The Honda Center.

Oh, so it's the Honda Center now. It's called the Honda Center now. Okay, okay, okay. That is crazy. You said, what was it called, the Powerhouse? Power 106 Powerhouse. So hold on, Big D's calling me. Yo, we're in the interview.

What's up? I've been outside for 15 trying to get in. Nobody's the doors locked. Can you have them let him in? Yeah, yeah. On this one, on this one. Tell them, go to the alley. They'll get him in the alley.

In the alley, they'll let you in. All right. All right, my God, yes, sir. That's my manager, Big D, man. We ride together forever, baby. Yeah, yeah, my God. That is a trip, though, bro. The shit you've accomplished everything you've done is crazy.

Did he ever live out here? I never lived out here. lived in Arizona. Always lived in Arizona. 6.02. That's still my area of Co. Favre. That is crazy. Yeah. For the reason you never moved out here? You know, I love L.A. It's so dope to visit, to come out here, to go to Disneyland, to go to the beaches, but home is home, you know? That's home. And so I remember Estevan Oreo, congratulations Estevan. He just got that collaboration with Dickies. Yeah, he's crazy. Yeah. And so, Stefan Oreo, he said, he's like, magic. He goes, if you could live anywhere except Phoenix, where would you live? I'm like,

No, no, he said if you could live anywhere in the world, where would you choose? And obviously he's pro-L-A, so he thought I was going to say L.A. I'm like, Phoenix, that's home. And he's like, you wouldn't pick L.A., bro? And I'm like, I love L.A., but it's a great place to visit, you know? Do you have any crazy stories with Estevan Orio or maybe like a funny one? I love Estevan. He's dope, man.

The stuff that, the stuff that, yeah, I do. I have an amazing story. I have an amazing story. I have an amazing story. My homie Chino Brown and me had started to talk a little bit and work on music. And Chino Brown told me once, he goes, magic. He goes, you think you could do a collaboration to feature Jenny Rivera?

And I'm like, fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, I can. Yeah, absolutely. How you doing? How you doing? And so, and so Chino Brown said, okay, I'm gonna talk to her because I know her. You know, this is my Chino Brown exit.

Sorry, Chino. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Chino went out and reached out to Jenny Rivera, and she said, send me some music, miho. That's the type of girl she was. And so. And are you guys around the same age or you're a little older? Then Jenny?

I think I'm older than Jenny. Yeah. So it's kind of weird when she was like, send me some music, me. You were like, you're like, we're the same. I tell you what, bro. I still feel 21. I still feel 21. You look 21, man.

I'll give it to you, man. So anyway, so Jenny said yes. And it blew my mind. I didn't believe that she actually was going to get on her record with us. I want to say 2008. 2008. She was the fucking. She was at her.

And I'm guessing. I'm guessing. Was that right? Love Again 2008? Yeah, this is my manager, Big D. He's LA forever. Yeah, I can tell, man. So anyway, and when Jenny Rivera did that song for us, it's called Love Again.

I don't know if you know the song. That should probably have to, I have to probably listen to it and just get my memory back a little bit. Amazing record. Amazing record. I sent her the instrumental of Princessa with different lyrics that I had written. I know Princess. Yeah, yeah. It's the same music of Princess.

just wrote different lyrics. Different lyrics. And I had Nicole sing the hook, and I sent it to Jenny, and she loved it. Matter of fact, I sent her three songs, and she picked that one. And so we got together with Edub and recorded it up there in Van Nuys at his studio. And then after that, Estevan Orio shot the music video for us. He brought out his camera, him by himself, just one camera. And this is back in the day, DSLRs weren't what they are today.

No production, just him and his camera. Just him. Estevan Oreo and his camera. And if you go see that video today with Jenny Rivera, MC Magic, and Chino Brown, it is fucking amazing. Can we pull it up? We don't have to put the music, right? But I just want to see, because I don't think I could remember seeing this video. Just put Jenny Rivera.

Yeah. And then Jenny died like two years after, I think, something like that. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy, man. It was such a blessing to work with her, bro. I mean, there's four legends in one project. Jenny Rivera featuring, I mean, whoa. Just put Jenny Rivera on MC Magic.

Yeah, it'll come up real quick. It's called Love Again. It should be that one. This first one? That's it right there. Okay, yeah, you can mute it. I just want to see all the video. That's the downtown in the alleys.

See what I'm saying? That's in L.A. So I really am part of L.A. And Long Beach, if you have to end the event on a song. Yeah, for sure. Wow, Esteban recorded this? This with one camera all by himself, and I was blown away how beautiful it came out.

I mean, that's why he's a Stevan Oreo, bro. Wow, okay, right. Let me take it down. That is fucking crazy. Because you would think such a big artist. you are such a huge artist Jenny DeVezer. You guys would get a production team that would be a location.

Yeah, and it's crazy because at that time she was filming her show called I Love Jenny. I love Jenny. Yeah, and so she was filming that, and she brought her camera crew to do the behind the scenes. And so it's on one of her TV episodes. Episodes and shit.

Yeah. Can you remember where you were when Jenny DeVetta passed away? I don't. I can't remember where I was. I think my wife woke me up and said, did you hear? You know, I heard on the radio that Jenny passed away.

I think I was home that day. That was such a crazy time for Latinos. Man, so many people crying. Bro, my tias through a party, no cap. Is that right? Like my mom and my sisters in them. Even to this day when, you know, because my family, when they drink,

you know how most families into like Vicente and stuff like that? My family drinks and, like, starts bumping like the regettone. I mean the rock in Spanish. They bump a lot of El Tris, Aragon, and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Revelde, Rvde? R.D. Maybe not Rebelde.

To them, that's fresas. So they listen to more like El Tris, Al-Aragan, Jahuarez. Fuck, Los Angeles del Inferno and shit like that. And then the skull will start cracking. Yeah. But Jenny Rivera is definitely one of the, you feel me. And then when women, when, especially, I mean, because my family's Mexican, so when

Mexican women get drunk, you know, so I'm, fuck, I'm de las bevotes. And when she's a muera, a dama, yeah ching her to my mother. That's right. That's right. And Jenny was about it. And Jenny was about that. She was full off. You know, she's, shit.

Ovadios type shit. Ovadios type shit. Ovadio was crazy. Yeah. Do you regret never working with a certain person? No, uh-uh. I don't regret who I've worked with. I don't regret passing up opportunities because I'm a firm believer, above anything, God.

And God guides me. Like I told you earlier, God gave me music to be my guide. And so if it was meant to be, it was meant to be. But like when something falls through and it doesn't happen, I'm just like, okay, God's time, it'll happen. Was there a feature or a certain song that never came out just because it just didn't come out? It was like, not like there was any in bad intention. It just like, I don't know, maybe you had a song with a certain artist and it just never dropped.

The one thing that I'm mad about that never really got full scope is one time we collaborated with Twista. It was Twista, MC Magic, and this little artist, a hardly nobody knew named Snow the product. Wow. Okay, continue the story. I'm excited for the story. Yeah, we did a record called Diggin. And, you know, I booked the studio time. I booked the expensive video crew.

Cost me, you know, like $13,000. And back then it was a lot of money, you know what I'm saying? That's a lot of money, yes. And so I booked the crew and everything. And Snow the product showed up. MC Magic showed up. Cameras were there. The music was there.

And Twisters people called in and said, 106 and Park called and Twister won't be able to make it. And so we never got Twista on that video. Damn. But you guys have to be. the song. But he murdered the record. Murdered the record. Did the song ever come out? Yeah. The song came out. But the video never came out. Visual never came out.

No twist on it. We just did like a small edit. And I was like, damn, I'm cheating the people. And I even reached out to him recently. I said, well, we should just go back and film your part and re-release the video with you on it. You know? He didn't respond. Damn, Twistler. You got to come back. That's crazy. Can you remember when you met Snow the product? Yeah, yeah, I do. When we first worked together, it was all through. email. It was all through email. So I sent her the track. She made me the verse and she sent it back. She was really grateful and humble. Back then she lived in El Paso, Texas, I think. El Paso, Texas. Around that time. And it was a homie name Romeo 602 that told me, magic. There's this

chick out there name, name, uh, Snow White. She was actually called Snow White before Disney told her she couldn't be called Snow White. Okay. Oh, wow. I didn't know that story. That's crazy. Yeah. Disney put a cease and desist on her name. And so she had a change to Snow the product, which turned out even better. Yes. You know, and so I featured her just on talent. She had no name. She's not the snow from today.

Yes. And I featured her on talent. And I've heard her say in a couple of interviews, yeah, you guys probably never heard of MC Magic, but yeah, he gave me my first shot, you know? Yeah, that's crazy. That is such a trip. You know, the first concert I ever went to was MC Magic concert.

No, for real? The NB writers. Yeah, MB writers, when you guys did the tour, when you guys did the tour, at the Novo, 20... Oh yeah, we did the reunion tour. The reunion tour. 2018.

That was the first time I ever went to a concert. Yeah. I went to one before, but there's the ones before we're like, hey, you want to come, we have an extra ticket. This one, they bought me my ticket for my birthday because I knew I wanted to go see MC Magic and then be right-ish. That's dope. You should actually come to one of our concerts now and be backstage or hosted.

Yeah, man. Oh, yeah, man, I got to come bullshit with you, bro. Because I'll be seeing you with my boy Concrete in them. I love Concrete. Man, bro, you let Concrete, use your talk box. that that that did I yeah for the skit you definitely let him yeah oh for the skit that we did actually it was his own mangarita it wasn't mine I was like magic you want some shit right now I wish that was me yeah yeah he had his own mangarita that was funny that was a good skit now yeah yeah the first time

I seen you um you have some openers obviously um somebody opened up for you and then I know um just right before you was little rob yeah yeah me and little rob been working together for a long time and then so we'll get into that right now and then um and then it was the mby writers one and i think did you guys bring out kuko that day or you just played the song uh no kuko was it was a different was a different time was a different time when we did the mb writers uh thing was in 2018 i think i brought out kuko at the novo and maybe like 2019 or 2020 okay no no no it wasn't 2019 because 2020 we had no concerts yeah it was COVID how was that seen another latino do what you do and i was a different genre i was blown away that someone

Somebody from Hawthorne, as talented as Kookel said, I was inspired by Little Robin MC Magic. That shit blew me away. Really? Yeah, he's the one that found it. He's the one that sent it to me. This kid likes you. No, he literally, like, when I first heard him, it was 20-16, when he had the song

The, Oye Carino, so Lopezzo, Antina. I was like, oh, shit, this motherfucker is awesome shit. And then, and then obviously now, both of us with our success, we got to connect to work. and we're really good homies and shit but I remember I told him too I was like I was a fan before I met you and obviously like

that's not really always my type of music but him being a little indie and like and then you know it's dope when you see people's interview and you get to know about them like he was in a ska band and I love ska music I go to Scot shows to this day

go fucking skank it out and shit so we had a lot of dump of connection and then my home girl played you guys song and I was like get the fuck out of here they made a song she's like fool they made a song Burley, you guys, Berley released it.

I went to go get that motherfucker and I was like, oh, they did some shit. Yeah, yeah, search. I could search this whole world. That shit is crazy. Yeah, I actually. Never find a nada. That shit is some shit right there. I wrote that on my way to L.A. to record with him.

I was in the car thinking I got to be something epic, something all the girls in the whole world. And that's what I wrote. And so Kuko sang that. For who produced that song? I produced the whole record. The music was done in collaboration with my homie. D. Salas. Oh, okay, that's dope.

And that's dope to see two different, two different generations coming together for the same type of love and music. I thought that was dope, and I think including Little Rob was just epic. Yeah, it really was. And, in fact, me and Little Rob be working, I got probably two records in the can with Little Rob that we've never released yet,

just waiting on the right timing. And then we're about to record another song together. It was really dope. Can you remember when you made Little Rob? That's a trip, just because the fact that you guys were just, you guys are both super monumental in our culture, but like you guys going on tour and doing so much together. It's like, fuck.

Can you guys drop some more music together? I got the whole story of how I met Little Robin, how I got did wrong by my ex-label. So this is what happened. He had a manager named Jerome Stevens back then. Little Rob. And yeah, that was Real Rob's manager. And Jerome would call me all the time.

Yeah, man, let me hook up with Lil Rob. He's this and that. And I did more research on Rob because I knew of him, but I didn't know how strong he had a hold on the streets, you know? Fucking before Summer Nights. Yeah, way before summer nights. Okay, way before summer nights. That's when he had a Mexican gangster.

That's the only album he had out. And so I researched Little Rob and M.B. Riders had a show. It was a promo show. When I say a promo show, the record company sends you on their own money to that city. Nobody gets paid. They pay for your airline. They pay for your hotel. You visit the radio station.

The radio station might take you to a club and make a lot of money and nobody gets paid. And then they send you on home. So that was a good promo tour. We'll continue to play your song. on the radio. It's rape. It's rape is what it is. Oh, shit. So we was on a promo tour in San Diego, and I was already talking with Jerome and with Little Rob. And I said, and I said, while I'm in San Diego, I'm going to make time to sit down with you because I want to work with you. Yes. I want to work with you. I want to bring you as one of my projects into my label. And then the only up label that I knew

had distribution was, was John. And so I talked to John. That's from upstairs record. Yeah, upstairs. And I told John, I go, John, I got this project I'm working on. I want you to listen to it. And when I sent him the little Rob songs that he had before, this is before summer nights. He's like, ah, he's too cholo magic. I don't think that's going to work on the radio. And I don't know. And so the VP, the person that works radio, the day that we met little Rob in San Diego, it was at a pizza hut. It was at a pizza hut. And the VP was like, I don't want to be seen with that cholo, right? This is the VP of Upstairs records. Her and the other guys that used to be in my group, M.B. Riders, they sat at another table, and me and little Rob, we sat

the table by herself chopping up business so then i brought him to phoenix and recorded two songs together i sent him to john and john was like i don't know magic you know like i said this is two cholo stuff it's not we we work radio things and uh and i'm like pull up the sound scan on his album so he pulled up the sound scan and uh and then i called him like in two weeks i'm like so what's up what we're going to do with little rob he goes we already signed him i was like what you already signed him that was our project, John. Nah, magic. I thought you, no.

So I got burned on that one. Fuck, bro. But it was that first album that had summer nights on it, the album. No, no, that was neighborhood music, I think. I don't remember the songs on it. That's crazy. But the song that I wrote on that first album that he had on Upstairs Records was, I was raised on the streets of California.

Yeah, I produced that music and I did the songs as well. Got no money from it. Nah. These record labels You fucking wilding You know how many stories I've heard of You were a little older Obviously still learning the game

But if you know how many stories I've heard of like Young ass kids getting 360 labels Yeah I mean 360 came out I think I think when LimeWire came out Because LimeWire was taking so much money From the labels You're like we got to do something to make money

And I think that's when the 360 deal came out Where they own everything Even your tour money Your shows your T-shirt money And all that stuff So the way you were making the most money was touring. All artists. That's why the Rolling Stones will tour until they die.

It's because that's how most bands make their money, especially bands. Because labels, man, the big labels, they've taken advantage of a lot. Even the small ones, they've taken advantage of people, you know, like no statements for years and all kind of stuff like that. Wow, that is a trip how that whole thing works out. And it's just like, and it's just honestly about knowing it. Because if you don't know and you just sign a paper, it's like, well, shit, what the fuck do I do now? You know what it is? When you love music so much, you just want your music out there.

You just want your music. You want to be heard. And nowadays, you can be heard because you've got the platforms. But back in the day, there was no platforms. Most definitely. The labels are the ones that got you heard. They got you on the radio. You know, before social media, radio was king, bro.

Yeah. I know you said that you don't regret working with anybody or, like, if whoever you worked or you don't regret it or if you passed up on something, you don't regret it. great as well. You regret signing any of those deals? I can't regret it because it's brought me here and I learned from them even though I lost money I got taken advantage of, ruined friendships, all that stuff I learned from it. And that's why I went back to being MC Magic because I know that I'm not going to have to be yelling at someone that's late to to sound check. Someone that's stayed out too late now they got hung over

the next day. Someone that's getting in trouble with the police because they're chasing a girl that's under aid. All type of shit comes up when you have a group. And so you just got to, I just had to go back to being MC Magic. That way I can control everything. I see what you're saying. You can control your personal shit

and not do with everybody else's shit. Because it comes with a lot of dangerous too, man. Yeah. Are you signed now? I'm signed to my own label. You're signed to your own label? Yeah. I am the record company now.

It's nasty boy records.com. Fine. Okay. And you have J-Rox on my label. Is that the only one you have right now? No, I also have El Terricola, One of the artists that I was a fan of growing up, I met him at a festival, and we signed him to my label because he was not signed anymore. And we're producing stuff with him as well.

How did you find J-Rock from a little city next to the border? Jay-Rawks, I know about you, girl. We should. We're going to get the interview in soon. Yeah, we'll get J-Rox on here. I was on live. I was on Instagram live, and I was just, you know, fans go live with me. I talked to them a little bit, and she said she wanted to sing.

She pulled out her guitar, and she impressed me. I really liked her energy. It wasn't so much that she did this amazing song, but it was good, and she had the right energy. I'm like, I like this little Chicana. She's got something. And it turned out to be real, man, because we released her two years ago. And, I mean, she's doing like 27 million TikToks, you know what I'm saying? 27 million numbers on TikTok.

She's bananas, bro. She's kidding. And women support women like nothing else nowadays. Yeah. And right now, it's a good era for Chicanos right now. it's cool to be brown right now you know for latino that's why companies like dickies are reaching out to stevan orio

that's dope by the way stevan what you're doing is dope and i think what you're doing with j ryehrys is dope because i know is it difficult when they're younger trying to explain to them that like because she's on tour with you guys right yeah yeah she's she's open there's her little robin and you right is it hard to be like this is like even though yes this is your dream is also a business it is a business

but but also her dad is her manager and we're really close we work closely with the family with her family and so J. Rocks really wants to be a superstar like that's that was one of the main reasons I brought her on board because I saw she had the Ganas. A lot of people want to do it but they're too busy you know partying too much they want to be famous but they want to go chase this and holes and this and that like J Rock still you know is not about having a boyfriend and all that kind of stuff she's about the music you know she's what like 1617 she just her 19. She just turned 19. And we signed it two years ago, so she was 17. Yeah. I met her during the

pandemic. Okay. Was there an agreement? How does the agreement work? Like, when you sign somebody, is it like, you need to go to school. You need your G. High school diploma. Is, like, is there certain shit you got to write down when they are underage and you sign up to a label? I met her in May the same month that she graduated from high school. Oh, so she was already, okay, so you didn't really have to deal with the motherfucker you got to go to school. Yeah. No, her dad did though. Her dad said you got to sign up for college. And she did one semester of college until he saw that this music

with Nasty Boy Records was really going to work and he let her quit school after that. For they didn't believe in the dream at first? I mean, they're fans. They grew up with the music too. The mom and the dad, shout out to Freddy and Lucy. Shout to Freddie and Lucy. Yeah, they're fans of it too.

So they believed in it. But one of the things they told me is everything you told us, we didn't believe you were going to do it. And like a year later, two years later, they're like, damn, magic, Everything you said, it really happened. Yeah, you weren't just talking out your asses, I think, what they were trying to say,

because a lot of labels would do that or a lot of artists that have their own labels would do that, especially with somebody like a success like yours. No doubt. And because I'm a small label, you know, I'm definitely not Interscope, nowhere near. Because I'm a small label, you know, there's only so much we can do. Most definitely. You know what I'm saying? Like those companies, like the Grammys is their Kinseñera.

It's their, you know, their homecoming. It's all them, you know. like they control all that. So we never have a seat at that table because we're independent. We're on the outside. You know, like fuck nasty war records. You know,

we got to survive for ourselves. But the one thing about us is that we're organic and we're really about the music, our movement, and our people. And that's what's what's very well needed. And that's what fucking pushes the whole team together. Yeah, yeah, of course. You got to be real, bro.

Like I told you earlier, I couldn't do gangster music. I was never a gangster. Yeah, most of the shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so even though it was the most powerful.

popular music at the time, I was that little boat that could. I was like, I know this little love son's going to go. I know that shit. It didn't just go, motherfucker. That shit. Yeah. That shit is still somewhere up there still, like just going crazy. I'm glad you're such a fan, bro.

It's warm as my heart. My heart's broken because I did a video a long time ago, and I'm going to look for it right now to show you and you just liked it and it broke my heart that you didn't repost it because the moment you were reposted a lot of video. I try to repost it. I try to repost it. You were singing lies. I remember.

With the homegirl next to me. I don't really care. what you feel inside that's my shit right there i tried to repost it but i couldn't it didn't let you yeah well send it to me magic you that shit would have changed my life magic well actually don't talk to her no more so i probably won't send it to it too but yeah man i was our shit and like i said because i used to work at polloo loco you did yeah i worked at poe loco and we you feel me like i was i like i like all types of music you feel me so you know a lot of my fuck is one listen to certain shit because it's like oh it's corny i'm like fool shut the fuck up fool

so you don't know what bitch is like obviously you know I like all types of music too you know what I mean so when I sit there and get in a car and I bump something be riders and I know the because motherfuckers know the hook that's it but motherfucker do you know the part when you're telling her you want to see your eye to eye across from the fucking rooftop you don't and that shit ain't going to go nowhere

so that's love man but yeah man it's it's been a pleasure can we bring out the talk box yeah absolutely let me set it up right here okay go ahead go ahead hey can we call him in he's going to do something off the talk box so we get the angle of it you know what I And then we gotta do a TikTok from my TikTok you're singing on the Talk Box.

So, man, how was the driver's cool? Right down the street. E! The Talk Box. Hey, Gina, you seen this shit before? The Talk Box? You gotta listen to this shit. This shit crazy. OG Suicide, you've seen one before, right?

Oh, yeah, see? OJ Suicide now. That's dope that you came to our show at the Novo. That was a long time ago, bro. 2018. 2018. That's when I did the NB.

Riders tour. The reunion tour, yeah. Have you talked about ever been left at the airport before? Oh yeah, they've lost it. The airlines have lost my top box. Is that okay if I plug this? Oh, shit, they've... I just want you to be walking around with it with a handheld and trip over it.

Nah, fuck, they left it before? I mean, fuck, they've lost it before? We've had to do a show without the top box, which is crazy. Fuck. I know that shit could be stressful. Fucking with a cop of a lot of the musician, homies, when they do the, when they, um, when they, um, fucking, they be at the airport and they lose. their guitars and they'd be mad but obviously a talk about it's different like you could get a

guitar down the street yeah you really can't you just go to guitar center you can't get a talk box but i i have gone to guitar center and and and you know rig some little shit together just to get through a show before yeah i had to do that let me see here come on magic we got some crazy shit sure why why would you lie to me we've been through after the the love that I gave you. That's crazy. Okay, we're going to do Pretty Girl, but I'm going to record and then you're going to do the... I'll start it off, but you can do the rest.

All right, ready? We got to do this shit. Gina, just no little me was getting so much pussy off this, Gina. That was fucking so many bad bitches. I was like, bitch! You ever heard of any riders? All right, ready? Let me do the intro and then you come in after that.

Okay, like, check that. Okay, okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. We'll do it. Can I run away with you? I want to get lost in love. Baby, two of all my preachers, this one's for you.

That's crazy. Okay, ready, ready? We're gonna do it again. All right, ready. Should I do the intro just so I could surprise people that you hear? You got it, go. Okay, okay. I'll follow in.

All right, ready? Ready? One, I'm nervous right now, you feel me? Legend right here. All right, I'm gonna just say, can I, and then I'm just boom, ready? You got me? Yeah.

All ready? All right. Can I run away with you? I want to get lost in love, baby. To all my pretty girls Do nose in the house Something about you, baby drives me crazy

Something about my pretty girls Close my mind Something about you, baby Drives me crazy Something about my pretty girls Yes sir, that's crazy Can you do them? That was fire. Can you do lies?

Yeah, absolutely. Lies is crazy. Go ahead. Go ahead. You good? Yeah, go ahead. You ready. After all that we've been through.

After the love that I gave you. That's so crazy. That is amazing. You can tell your lies. I don't really care what you feel inside. All you ever did was make me cry. I'm telling you. Maybe one day you'll really.

Realize. That you had a good one in your life. That was my shit, man. This has been the MC Magic interview. It was a blessing. Just no little me is so thankful for you, for all the panties you got me. And for all the great music you made and for all the people that just, I know your soul are still so impactful. And I can't wait to just one day we just got to go sit down and have a beer or something and just conversated some shit.

I got you. On me, brother. On me. I don't even drink, but I drink one with you, brother. Yeah, my God. I brought you a couple little gifts because, you know, I actually thought, I actually thought Lettie was going to be here, so I brought some more makeup too. Oh, you brought some makeup? Oh, you got some makeup.

I did bring some makeup. Okay, yeah, yeah. I started turning all my songs into makeup palettes, pretty girls. I've seen that. Yeah, sexy lady. Yeah, all that shit, deaf. You know what I mean? I definitely, I think I actually bought one of my little bitties one.

You did. I think I sent her the thing. Check it out. This is the MC Magic Bluetooth, the Magic Box, brother. Wow. Oh, my. A little something you could keep. Yes.

A little something you could keep, baby. You got to sign this for me before you leave, though. Yeah. And then the album, I saw you were singing lies. Remember you said? Yeah, lies my shit. And so I brought you the CD that Lice came out on in 2006 is when I dropped Magic City, and I just got a new office, so I'm definitely going to.

This is crazy. I feel like I'm in my Nardware moment, you know, and I'm over bringing out shit that you love so much. Wow. So people don't even bank CDs anymore. I'm definitely going to go. Go buy a CD player. That's a limited edition because we don't print it anymore either. My God, this is so amazing.

I just want to put it out there that this right here is just one of these. Wow, magic. That's a Bluetooth speaker. The box has the cable and everything. And I brought you one of the Dream Big hoodies too for one of your little breezes. Oh, yeah, man, I'm definitely going to get it to one of my little breezy. I'll send you a picture, too. We're on a date and shit.

I'm definitely going to be like, you got to wear this shirt. Oh, let me pull out the makeup too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll take the makeup. You can give me the makeup. I'll give it to one of the breezes too. There you go. Letty you lost out.

Letty you lost out. Right there. That's a little makeup box. Oh yeah. We got to open this. Fucking makeup tutorial real quick. Yes. Yes.

Because I've seen how much work you put in and it's just so amazing. And how is it doing your own makeup? It's amazing, bro. It's amazing. Bro. I cater to Latinas. Come on now. I'm already knowing.

Hey, keep it a buck. How many? Would you ever make your own hot Cheetos strain? I don't smoke, bro. No, hot Cheetos. You said Hot Cheetos strain, right? No, hot Cheetos. Like, like, would you ever make your own version of the hot Cheetos?

No, absolutely. Wow. You know, I'm into... Riley, you like makeup? Right, he's like, fuck, yeah. Give me one of those palettes. Show her that pretty girl palaces. She's like, wow, this is a nice palette.

Because girls really like the earth tones and stuff. Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know too much of it, but definitely... I had to learn, bro. Yeah, you had to learn. One of my little breezy's one time was like, hey, because she had seen that you were already following me. And I was like, motherfucker, I ain't going to ask you for me.

You feel me? It's business. And we cop that, motherfucker. I do remember that. Hey, you got some more of my merchandise. I hear my brother. Look at that. I'm keeping all this.

My mom might take this motherfucker, but I'll come to this shit. My mom, see, my mom don't even know English, but she definitely knows who you are. That's dope. That's dope. I love these names. How'd you come up with the names? It's just awesome, like, we already know what it is. Those are my song titles.

Yeah, the Chula. Oh, okay, okay, yeah. Oh, you're talking about the names of the palace. The name of the shades. Yeah, those just stuff that I came up with that I thought would be cute to the culture. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, the chula's crazy. Brown eyes, ooh.

Brown eyes, chula. I like all this shit. Rosie. Man, I appreciate your magic. Me meeting you is like full circle and just great moment in my time, great moments in my time and just still great moments. Like I said, every time I do some MC or hosting at a, like a regitone or something, I said, I always more definitely. The first time I met you, somebody said, do no's doing night of the black skin. Do you want to, and they want to know if you'll call in to the podcast.

Remember that? I do. And you called in. I did. You called in. and then I sang word for word your song. And I remember everybody was so excited. But I think you were a little tipsy that now.

I was definitely a little tipsy off some bullshit or something. This is crazy, by the way. This is keep you feel me, take this to the club. It's a little too sparkly for me, but I'll definitely use it at the house. You know what I mean? I still use it. I like glitter, bro. I love how cups smell when they knew.

That's a thing for me. Man, I appreciate magic. Let them know where they could find you in. And what you got going on right now. I know you got the tour. This might be, this might drop like in two weeks. But are you still going to be on tour? Yeah, we're on tour.

We stay on tour, brother. Okay, yeah, come on. Let them know what you got coming up. Any songs, any people you want to put people on. That's very much. You can leak everything right now. Definitely check out J. Rocks. My new artist, El Terriola.

Everything that got to do with MC Magic with us concerts, merchandise, contact for a quinceaniera, because I still be showing up at quinceaneras, too. Damn, what's that time? You did it, yeah. Man, when's the last time about two weeks ago? Three weeks ago. Wow.

Yeah, yeah, we did a quinceaniera. And so everything is that nasty. nasty boy records. Nasty boy records. And just the way it's spelled. Some motherfuckers don't know how to spell it. They're going to have some type of nasty A-N-A-N-A-S-E-S-T-Y. A N-S-T-Y.

N-S-T-Y-Y-B-O-Y-S. No, B-O-B-O-Boy. Nasty Boy. Oh, nasty boy records. Okay, see? You motherfuckers like me going to smash a delivery. Make sure you guys go get your little breezies. The palis, you feel me?

This. I don't know if you're setting this online. You are? Yeah, that's on my website too. But just know I got it for free, so you cannot be like me. But make sure you guys go get all of that. And yeah, man, this has been Duno's world with MC magic. Oh, forgive him the IG.

The IG, MC Magic official. MC Magic official. And, you know, TikTok is really popular. for me right now too. So get me on TikTok, MC Magic Official. Can we get a goodbye on the talkbox? Absolutely. Let's do this. Can we do something for Riley? Riley is our fellow white girl and Latina. So maybe we could go out by singing Bye to Riley. Let's do. I'll do something for Riley. This was called All My Life. Yeah, Riley. Tell me, can I talk to you? Pretty, pretty Riley. I love that pretty color on your eyes.

You're gonna be mad Man shout on emcee magic I love you bro It was such an honor and blessing Can we wait to take these pictures And facetime My mom and my sister's because they love you too And we're out of here

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