No Jumper - Melvin Farmer & Ayatollah Marv Expose Charleston White as a Snitch

Episode Date: August 15, 2022

1,789 views Aug 15, 2022 Shout Out to our Partners over at BRANDMYDISPO. Go to http://www.BRANDMYDISPO.com and use our code “NoJumper” to Save $50 and get free shipping on your first order of custom packaging. ----- Melvin Farmer, along with Marv, talk about their upbringing, the work they do for their community, Charleston White and more! 00:00Intro 2:20 Garth Brooks gave 1M to Compton, Marv met him while on the run 3:09 P__ was the awakening dr__ then they invented cr___ 6:38 Melvin has been a Crip since he was 14 y/o 10:55 My Dispo ad 15:09 OGs are barely giving kids guidance but kids don’t really listen anyways and have terrible role models 27:25 Nipsey's passing gave an opportunity to have deeper dialogues 29:20 Melvin has been active doing civil rights interventions before the internet 39:20 Marv on his son being in jail since 2008, says he did his best as a dad until he turned 18, after that, it’s f__ you! 41:00 So how do we make kids stop __ each other 47:11 Cops' target practice boards are black and brown people only 49:17 Video games are also a big influence on kids, parents shouldn't buy these games 53:00 Melvin’s son has 500 years sentence, told his daughter to not pick up the phone when he calls from jail 58:19 Melvin’s relationship with Charleston White 1:00:40 So Melvin invited Charleston White into his radio show, which was his first media break 1:03:35 Melvin brought Charleston White to Nipsey's funeral plus remembers all the VIP that was present 1:06:10 Melvin says Charleston White is infatuated with him + Saved Charleston White's life 1:06:40 Charleston White was robbed and tied up for his weed 1:08:19 His attitude changed after he got robbed and became entitled 1:12:28 Charleston White was also a _ for a while, one of his girls had 2 kids with Charleston White 1:13:32 “A buster will come into your life faster than anybody else” 1:14:20 Says Charleston White gotta be an infiltrated agent or something 1:16:12 FBI called Charleston White asking if he needed protection, and told Melvin he was working with the police, Melvin hasn’t talked to him since 1:19:00 Paperwork shows that he asked to be a state witness, says he’s not a snitch he’s a rat 1:22:18 Charleston White makes sure his old partner he snitched on stays in jail 1:32:06 Charleston White's antics and dissing Nipsey, King Von, etc, that’s his ticket to go viral 1:35:19 Melvin reads Charleston White's paperwork, he snitching and rats on his own people 1:41:29 Says there’s a misconception regarding Wack100 running the Piru, says he doesn’t know what Wack is 1:42:42 Melvin says Charleston White RAN OUT of that interview 1:48:08 Adam: “Free Suge!” - Marv: No! ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! nojumper.com SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And we're back with a very, very important episode today. I got a co-host in the form of Sedi Nash in the building. Visionnash, what are up? Let's go. And across from us, we have two absolute O.Gs. It's undeniable. You can't question it.

We got Melvin Farmer and Aytol Marb in the building. How you guys doing? Hey, how you doing? Thank you for having us here, man. It's an honor and a privilege. It's what our voices can be heard. Yeah, extremely honored to have you guys in the building. I don't know.

Maybe we have so many things. things to discuss today, but maybe each of you could give like the one or two minute version of who you are and what you're known for because I don't know if we have like obviously there's a ton of information out there if people want to really dig into you guys's life stories, but let's try to get some basic background information out the way. Melvin Farmer, Los Angeles, California. I'm an author. I wrote the book, Three Strikes You Out, Not In. Also, we work with credible messenger. I'm a certified credible messenger. I'm a civil rights activist.

I'm a former inmate that did over 30-something years in prison. I changed my life around. We've been trying to redefine the communities where we work with, mayors, lawyers, children's, organizations, and we've been doing this since 1998. So before podcasts and the Internet came out, we've been just trying to get back to the community so that other children and people wouldn't live the life

that we live. Beautiful. Well put. Marv. My total, Marv, bomped in California. oldest pyru it is in the world. My background is

working with the city of Compton to try to redefine unapologetically black. Whatever Mexicans do, that's what they do. Whatever L.A. do, that's what they do. We in Compton, California, in this 10 square miles, we make a difference.

I've been teamed up, me and Melvin Farmer, with credible messages before that. After the riots, we started youth education town in the city of Compton, and I got $1 million from Garth Brooks on Rebill Compton. I did the first youth council in 1970 and made the Dollar Hyde Center. Garth Brooks gave a million dollars to Compton? So that just threw me off. One million dollars to Compton. How did you even get in touch with Garth Brooks?

I wouldn't even think he would know what Compton was. I did 25 years in prison. Right. And I was on the run in Oklahoma City. And I was procuring chemicals. And Garf Brooks' brother went to University of Oklahoma. And he smoked shirn. Wow.

I met him through that. And when I got a relationship and one day I went to dinner with their family for Thanksgiving. And I never had duck and mince meat pie. before I'm from Compton. We have sweet potatoes and macaroni and cheese and turkeys. Right. Duck wasn't my trip. So we dipped the cigarette and kicked it with Garf. Do you think I missed out on anything because I never tried Shirm? No. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. I missed something. You missed out on a great eye opening. I mean, PCP was the black man's gift to an awakening situation. And when white America found out what they were doing, they invented crack cocaine to put you on your back.

Really? You know, everything you heard about Shirm and PC. I came out of prison in 1976, and I went to prison for $1.38-robbery that I had more money on me than I got out of the robbery, right? Right. And so all I knew was Compton robbed and riding horses. I got out in bicentennial year, and everything had changed. Right.

But all of my OGs were selling heroin and cocaine, and it wasn't mine. drug of choice and one day my girlfriend's brother introduced me to angel dust. Right. And they was like making $8,000 a night. No complaints, no, and I'm like, shit, I need this business.

Right. And I start learning how to procure. But it said, in that time, it said PCP gave you superhuman strength. I've heard that. Police could not contend with black folks. You've seen videos of people off the term fighting five cops at once, right? that you had on your inner self, come out.

If you thought you were King Capone, that's what you tried to act on. See, that's what I'm trying to tap in with. Yeah, so then they put... Adam, you running around L.A. That's why I only do Sherm in the crib. If you get on the street and run butt-necked, he was always in your head of mind.

You wanted to be... Right. So it seems out to me that you guys are both in this very unique position where very, very few people can speak as authoritatively about the origins of gangs in Los Angeles and the origins of the streets really in its entirety because, I mean, L.A. has sort of rubbed off

on the rest of America and really the world. How do you view your responsibilities and the role that you've kind of come to take in terms of this thing? Because, you know, it's like in the media now we have people kind of constantly making content about, you know, the history of different neighborhoods and stuff like that.

But most of these people, myself included, are people that couldn't tell you jack shit about what was happening in the streets 10 or 20 years ago. Like, you guys have seen the full entirety of this picture. You know, that's what America does. It dilutes situations. I don't never say I'm an ex-gang member. I'm continuing because before the Democrats and the Republicans, they were the Whig in the Federalist Party. They were a gang against England.

And that's what brought the Boston Tea Party. They said, fuck England. We're not giving them nothing else, and we're going to fight about it. So we, gang, crips came into it 50, 60 years ago and just become 50, 60 years, and you look at their organization, it's a lot tighter. Bluzz and Pairoos, we're just getting started. And now it's diluted against, now today you don't have Crips killing blood, you've got Bluffs killing Bloods. Right. And you got Crips killing Crips.

So we allowed it to get back. and that's the track we're on. I'm not trying to dilute anything. I'm trying to build an empire. And so we need men to build an empire, but they have to be properly influenced. Right. For me, I started at 14.

West Side Crip with Tuckie, New Raymond, when they were east side, west side, Compton Crips. So I've been in the game over 51 years. But what I tried to do, I've seen it expand from a Cripps perspective to where As for me, I feel that I was part of the problem.

We didn't know no better. We didn't have the Crips when we started 14, 18, there was nobody over 19 or 20, particularly on the west side, as opposed to the east side where you had Slausons, businessmen, on the west side, which was being integrated in 69, 68, 70. We were more cliques, the cafe boys, O'Neill Brown, them, they were the smacks, the outlaws. We had names like this, but they were more cliques they were in gangs. So now I feel it's a responsibility as a parent, a adult, a black, that I feel that I owe it to get back to the community to make sure that people don't follow the same path as us, 35 years in prison, over 60s arrest.

So I'm on 20 years parole right now from five years. in Georgia prisons for an 83-year sentence. So we just try to give back, you know, we got our boots to the crown when the camera's not around. And in 2015, when the 100 days, 100 nights, one of the most despicable displays of disregard for human life, where gangs pitted on the west side and all over, where we're gonna kill each other one day, one of each every day.

We started bringing awareness where I was working with the LA Times. Then I started noticing that none of these kids had insurance. So then we started getting them and showing them how to get their victims of violent crime quickly, how to get the funeral paid for. We used T. Rogers, I told him, Marvin, because a lot of people don't know in Los Angeles when you get murdered and got attached to a gay member, you can't get buried at the big five churches. Wow. No, you can't get buried there.

And it's very hard to get buried when you're not a celebrity. or something in Los Angeles because they want to charge you 17,000 for security and stuff like this. But no, it's very hard to get buried in Los Angeles. The churches won't do them. So the coroner has to keep track, or who keeps track of what exactly constitutes a gang tattoo? Police typically would do that too. Oh, police typically. A lot of your criminal record?

Yeah. And it's not actually a criminal record. You could just be an associate. Right. And it's just like in prison. if I kill you and the Aaron Brotherhood say well he wasn't Aaron Brotherhood but he was white Right

So that's all they're going to claim me Have the dead body And sometimes just being in a situation And a kid can be adjusted as His mother don't know anything about it But now he's a gang member Because he's dead You know and people don't look at them the same

Right You feel what I'm saying So you're caught up in a hell of a predicament But I mean, when you're dead, you don't care what's going on whether you get buried or not. When it's my turn, y'all going to keep me out long as you want. And then that's why they create those divisions of the gang tasks and everything like that. Because, you know, we stand on the block. They just lift your shirt up and do some weird ass shit like that and everything.

Boom, now we got you. And that's enough for us just to, you know, kill you basically. And it's one other caveat with that that a lot of people don't know. If you got any tattoos or a record of something, you can't get victim of violent crime. I knew a young man that was at a car watch, had his child in his hand on his way to go to Disneyland, not a game member or nothing. And he got a, he was a former game member, but he had changed his life frame during 100 days, 100 nights. He got killed. And that's how I found out he couldn't get no victim of violent crime money because they had him labeled as a gang member, even though he wasn't.

So it goes ten fall in two different ways out here when it comes to these type of things. and we're trying to make a change on that also. All right, so a quick word from our sponsor. Do you want your packs to stand out? Well, our sponsor, Brand My Dispo, is here to save your boring packaging and take your brand to the next level. You can create your own custom bags, boxes, jars, and much more full of that good good. You're going to have to supply the good good, though. You can join over 50,000 brands who trust our friends over at Brand My Dispo with our exclusive offer.

Go to BrandmyDispo.com. and use our code, no jumper, one word, to save $50 and get free shipping on your first order of custom packaging. Every time we launch a new product, we use custom packaging to stand out. And brand mydispo.com is changing the game with its one-of-a-kind packaging. So shout out to Brand My Dispo. Go to brandmydispo.com and use our code, no jumper for $50 off your first purchase. Thank you. Haven't seen, you know, gang bang and unfold from the beginning when you see something like the 100 days, 100 nights thing, which was for the, I remember hearing that it was a rumor or that was a myth at one point, but you can confirm that this was a real thing?

Well, let's put it. When it started, I get a call from a boy out of Vegas, hey, man, and this is where we addressed the Internet also because it started off the misuse of the Internet where they said such and such got killed. And they say, man, they're on the internet disrespecting everybody. So they say, can you call? So I called the opposing and said, and I say, hey, man, bopty bam. And that like that. So, yeah, it was very true. And in fact, Karen Bass called me in there and offered us $500,000 to help come in,

help filter down the situation. it was Karen Bass, Marquis Harris, Dawson, Janice Price, all the local elected officials. They offered you half a million dollars. Right, and then when they got the money, they told, because they had to go see how they could procure it and take it from here or there. We met with them. Then when they did get the money, they told me and my buddy who they called to come in there, we overclassified because of our gang record and gave it to some youngsters. So they pretty much Philly busted us.

whites as they all. But why the bigger thing is, then I'm going to let it go. We don't get paid for intervention. They got the grid program and everything. Why would you have to call us in there? Why we not work in there? Because we don't play. That's why me and more.

We eligible to get the jobs. We're more than qualified. But we don't play the game one foot in, one foot out. You can't do that with us. We're all the way in. How realistic is the idea that you would be able to make some significant dent in that kind of violence? Well, we did because right after that, if you looked at it, crime went down for the

lowest in L.A. County since 1966. But what happened is, just like with the L.A. gangs unite where we didn't have 30 days of shooting on the west side, politicians fell back and didn't give us the needed resources or the platform to continue to dialogue, which usually doesn't occur against war in factions, particularly A. Trey gangsters and the rolling 60s when they allowed us to come over there. That was the time to really make something happen. And we talk all the way around the United States from gangster disciples, vice lawyers, growth and development, Philly Black Mob, Antonio Tester from the Luciano Gambino Crime Family King Tong, UBNs. We connected. And we work when the camera's not around because this won't be revolutionized. and shown on no internet. Right.

So things are being done. But the misuse of the internet where you get platforms like Charleston White where they up here, buck dance and thinking they, a house nigger better than a field, nigger. And that bullshit is hindering what's going on really in America

to bring on a change in public safety as well as unifying the community. For sure. And we're going to get all into Custerson White at some point here. But okay, just one more like big picture question. Yeah, do you say?

So you always hear about, you know, young people in general, but I guess in particular, like, gang dudes and stuff. You hear these young dudes, they're fucking crazy. They don't give a shit about. They're OGs. There used to be OGs that could instill wisdom and tell them how the game is supposed to be. But now people are just going crazy. From your perspective, how true is that? And how difficult is it to get young people to acknowledge?

It's real true. I mean, we're the only race that dropped the ball. When I went to prison, I caught a case in youth authority, and I went from YTS to San Quentin. I wasn't allowed to talk for two years. I didn't even have a mustache. So if you don't have any background, we listened to the OGs at one time because men stood up as men. So we talked about PCP. When the crack epidemic came along, we lost 90% of our OGs.

Either we were in prison or they got on crack. And so you got kids that grew up without fathers that grew up with their mothers. If my oldest children, if they had it depended on me, they'd be sitting down to pee because they saw their mother pissing sitting down. So they attribute these techniques and these lifestyles through their mother, right? So a man wasn't around. And then when we got back, most OGs tried to intervene themselves trying to be a youngster. This is how our children got We didn't get time out

We got slapped out Now the thing Here we go with the situation again It was a time that juvenile hall Took your children away from you Put them in juvenile hall now After 30 years They tell you that's your problem

But they didn't told the kid If your mother does anything to you If your father call 911 Now they call 911 Now they call 911 they say Melbourne That's your son That's your problem And if we have to take care of them, you're going to have to pay for it.

It was a time when you were incorrigible, this county and the state would take care of it. But now if you say you can't handle your child today, 2022, you have to foot the bill for me taking care of them. You dig what I'm saying? So we take this out and send it the same way with the gang element. We got 30 years of kids couldn't even go in the park. So now you have a whole different mindset of a child.

Killer ain't just automatically their culture, right? I started off burning red ants with a magnifying glass. Same. Then I start shooting chee-chee birds with a BB gun. I would dump the salt on the slugs. Okay. And then we started, I'm from Compton, so we had Jack Rabbits, so we used to shoot Jack Robbers with 22s.

Then we killed cats, right? And then we started shooting dogs. I shot my first dude at 16. told me he would knock me out at a party, and I just stole a 22. And my dad said, if you pull a gun out, you better use it. And he's like, well, what you're going to do? I shot him in the leg, skit.

That's why they stopped house parties. Did you feel like messing with all those animals over the years prepared you for that? That prepared me to be a killer because they couldn't come back. See, the mystery is, I tell people a lot. I can tell a woman that's had an abortion between a different woman. You feel what I'm saying? Wow.

Teach me this. I'm looking for you. I'm like this bird man hands. Once you take a life, it changes your life. But it doesn't affect your life. Once you do the first killing and you find that ain't no boogeyman in jail, when you go to prison, do you think it get easier? Because somebody is mad about that dead body.

I got stabbed three times in prison for my ill deeds. Really? You know, three different occasions. You know what I'm saying? And it's something that wears off in your life that you ain't the same no more. Really? So you think everybody who takes a life

ends up having that like fundamental transformation of them as a person, really? Unless he's just a straight devil. They were already like that. Anyway, here's some people that are just killers. I was too scary to let you know I was scary. Right. So I survived.

You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. So in that survival, it made me callous to certain things. You feel what I'm saying? Now, a woman that has never had an abortion and may never, it's certain sex she ain't all that you do because it's about the unknown. Right. A woman that had a serial killer, then had two or three abortions.

Do whatever the fuck you want to do with it because she can kill it in the morning. Called her a serial killer she'd have two abortions? If she told you, she'd tell you about two brus, she had six. You think after a woman has an abortion that she has that same effect on her mind where she feels like a killer deep down inside? Oh, shit. I got some serious killers in a month. You taking a person's life, I could never take my own son's life. I don't think.

I might have. It depends on what Sherm I took. But it's kind of hard for you to say that you will kill your child. Right. I've had a female told me one time she had an abortion. She didn't know I know she had an abortion. But when she found out I knew, I said, and some years later, I said, you know what? I say, when you kill that baby, you was killing me, huh?

She said, that's all I thought. I hated you so much. So it's a reason a woman don't have a baby for you. Right. That's because of me. So it's an effect on her, and the next victim that come on, he's going to have to take it, and he don't even know how it's coming. Right.

So that's the situation that we're blind to. You dig what I'm saying? So being a killer is a killer all the way around whether you kill yourself. And you've got to be a hell of a guy to kill yourself. He'd be talking about a cow. I thought about killing myself one time real quickly like, fuck that. While you're locked up or? Yeah, I had to be locked up.

Right. You know, I was in the hole for 22 months and I just started going. I had Joe Morgan from the Mesca Mafia on one side of me and Tokyo from the area in Brotherhood on the other side of me. So I didn't have no company. You weren't talking to either of? Hey, they kill you on site. You know, California is the only state in the United States that segregate.

Right. And so in California, they teach segregation starting in the prison system. I don't been to a couple of prisons, so you don't been out of the state. But most people don't know because they're uneducated that in the state of California, you got Mexican mafia, you got Northern Familiar, you've got BGFs, you got Aaron Brotherhood. But is that ultimately for the government? good because there's less violence. No, that's because the racist, it's so much violence in there.

Well, they basically run the prison. They run the prison, but it's basically so much violence. And see, now the blacks are being attacked because of the color of their skin. So we all have to stick together. You couldn't have no black in a white sale and a racial ride occur. Right. Now, I'm wondering you could sleep at night. So, but the point of it is, we're the only state that segregates, and that's really illegal.

I mean, it may be illegal, but it's functional. Yeah, it's functional. In the jungle, any but two things in the jungle, predator and prey. Because if I'm a Crip and I'm going to prison and they say, oh, like you could either be in a mixed dorm where it's everybody else, including people that don't fuck with you,

enemies, other races, etc. Or you could just be with all your own people. You're probably going to want to go with all your own people because it's similar, right? No, when you're in a dorm, particularly like when they opened Wayside Max, we had a ride there. We was there when it first opened and had a ride. You're going to have all the races, but what happened, and Marv can contest it is, you're going to have, say, the black's going to be in this corner where no other race are coming there. The Mexicans might have this area, just like the weight pile, the dining hall area.

Everything is specifically where the races sit in their section and no other races. should be coming over there at all. That's what I mean. This ain't like, oh, they over here and there. No, this is totally all the way around from eating, shower, everything else is based on race and staying together as a group and as a whole. But just like you say, as a click, though, I came down from San Quentin in 1984. I was supposed to go to Soledad, and they sent me to Tracy did DVI. When I got there, it's called Blue City,

Crip Heaven. I had a red TV, a red shirt. They say, Who's Warbin Kenzie? It's me. He said, Cus, you can't stay here.

Look at me. You can't stay here. So, man, we ain't got no slabs on the line. I'm like, well, what I'm supposed to do? Big Swan from 7 phone

and Book of Tea. I said, well, bro, I said, the same bus brought me, brought you. So, like, man,

you ain't going to make it over here. Right. But I walked their line. Would nobody come in the cell with me? When I went to chow, I ate by myself. Now, I had help, you know, undercurrently, but I rolled that line, and it was segregated because this is, you know, a couple of my little homies out of Compton, Bam from Front Hood, Santana Mike. And like, man, that's my own. If y'all want to kill him, you got to do it one-on-one.

But, yeah, it's a segregation, you know, and it's real. Because ain't nobody going to take the chance to losing their life messing with me. You know, just, man, every day, why don't you just transfer? Get one out of here. You know what I'm saying? Definitely.

So how do you, what have you learned about how to communicate with the younger guys that you're trying to get through to? Well, what I do, like I got two young men inside here, the homies, stay out here from Georgia, make them Georgia. And what I do, I practice what I preach. I just tell them it's a different way.

I don't step in their lane because I understand. If they, because you got those that are active gang bangers, then you got those that are gang members. Right. Those are two different things. So I deal with both, but what I do is I lead by example because I've done so much time, so much shit, and everything to where if I could change my life.

And then also another thing, my name is credible, particularly because I'm one of the founding members against the Crip, but all the sets on the West Side, pretty much all the sets I knew they OGs. And our friendship has continued to be friendships over the years. So I just try to show them and lead by example. I don't get in, they swear. I stay in my lane.

I understand those that got to go out and protect the area and protect those that are active that's doing the killing, the candlestick makers. And I know the ones that are changing their life, this morning. I've seen a former damn fool and I seen him getting married. He's raising his kid. And I wrote and I tell him, I'm proud of you.

He texts me back and they say that really means something from you. So I always praise them. I don't look down on nobody. I always try to uplift them and build them and I get that respect because Melvin's always played fair. Like

the 100, when the 60s and they trade started getting into it 7980. I knew both. factions from 1972 when they basically started my name in the sets after East Side West Side. But because I knew family members and everybody from around the board, I backed out the game. Right. And pretty much been in exile since 1979, 80, to damn near when Nipsey Hustle got killed until they got some type of little bit of understanding to create that.

So in that city of Los Angeles, everybody know, Melbourne Farmer stayed out. out of it and played fair because I knew everybody before they started at war. But then how did things change for you once Nip got killed? Well, what happened with Nip got killed, the A-Trey gangsters and other gangsters' allies never had won over to Slotson and Crenshaw since the A-Trey and the 60s war started really in 1980, 79. So that event was pivotal to where when Nipsey got killed, it gave an opportunity. but people don't know, and I got the pictures that I'm going to send you,

I had been talking to the 60s before that. Because if you think Nipsey deaf out of nowhere made the gangster Crips come over there and other allies, how could they even have dialogue like that? Right. So we had been secretly talking. I had made a deal with Little Soti to do a song with Nipsey talking through Big Youth. This in 2016.

So when 2019 come, in fact, we was filming before they blew the day before Nipsey had. I had went over there, Cowboy and all of them. So the day before Nipsey got killed, I had been over there filming. So when Nipsey's murder happened, that gave the West Side a chance to come together as a whole. Our side wanted to pay respect because at the end of the day, there ain't nothing but across the street from us. That's what just separate us. And my friends are mad bone, little sooty, and everybody, they finally came to me and say, homie, we want to go over there.

Whereas the last 40 years, I don't see them fighting, killing each other, and I just set back. And so when that happened, it gave us a chance to create dialogue with them, not only us, most of the gangs on the west side. But so did that, you know, attempt at reconciling things between those two groups, did that make you decide that you wanted to be more of a public figure and start doing interviews and all this kind of? No, I've been doing interviews and been in the news since 1998 after I was the first one to ever get out on three strikes and I'm going to send you the pictures. Then in 2020, I wrote the 2003 strikes initiative that went on the ballot with a political action committee. I must

author of a book. I did civil rights where I did Tisha Miller. Amadou Diallo, Prince Jones in Washington, D.C., Margaret LeBern Mitchell, the homeless lady, Cherise Iverson, the young girl that got killed in Vegas. I did the death roweering in Chicago that helped put the moratorium. I've been doing civil rights in some of the most highest profile cases before the Internet. So you can't look on the Internet. You have to really look at the news, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune. I had a show in 1999, 2000, where I was staying in Washington, D.C., touring all the black colleges,

but I had a show back then called The More Better Man Blues Show. In fact, I covered the, what March was that in 2000, Mark, for the Million Man with Farrakhan? A Million Man March. No, that was the family, million family. Right, and that was where I was with Geron. 1996 was, 1995 was the Million Man March. So in 1999, 2000, 2000. thousand I was staying on East Capitol in Benin and I had a radio show so I was with uh

Cloretta Cox King Corretta Scott King uh Dorothy Hyatt the first black lady to own uh property on Pennsylvania Avenue boys to me and Geronimo Pratt and all them because he just said got out so it's not new it's a litany news articles on me before this come out so there's a lot of people who like like I feel like I didn't know about you until I saw the Vlad interview and I feel like to a lot of people on YouTube shit doesn't really exist until it's on YouTube which is yeah but that's because of the times back then you have to remember and remember most of the shit that's on the internet it don't make news right that's not news that's entertainment yeah

it's a big difference most of these guys on here what are they doing to get back to the community I don't see nobody doing nothing right we are Definitely. So they need to stop and clean the slates and give those if they're really talking about giving back. They need to start letting those that are doing something, let their voices be heard, and then they can start creating the dialogue, not just here. Our words carry across in other countries, other nations, local, national, federal. It doesn't matter.

So we've been doing the work before social media has got to the stages that it has now. Right. But before we get into the conversation about this other guy, this is the biggest part, the biggest thing I wanted to ask you about is like people are constantly asking me what is going to have to happen for the streets in L.A. and outside of L.A. to become less violent, for killing to become less cool, for, you know, the gang culture to stop being so rooted in. killing and stuff like that. My answer is always, you're not going to get rid of gangs, but you can take incremental steps to make killing less cool or to make people individually have less beef in a city, like what you're talking about between the Aitras and the 60s, it's like if that one conflict were to formally come to an end, and I know that sounds optimistic, because even if it does come to an end for a year or two, who's to say that it's not going to pop off five years later,

general, I do think it's a reasonable objective to think that the temperature could be brought down in a city like LA. Of course. I mean, it could always be brought down because the only thing that makes conflict is the lack of economics. So we go into all of these programs, like we're talking about credible messengers. We've been all over the United States with credible messengers, and they came out here in California, and they set up a credible messenger program for a $190 million and never influenced either one of us, but they recreated the probation department and made them feel like credible messengers to dilute the system. You feel what I'm saying? So we're getting monies, but they're not going into the places they need to go to.

So it's amazing that we live in this concrete concentration camp and not for the city. I can only speak for Compton. I got to go to, he's the authority of L.A. And I 10 square miles, we were the first black run city west of the Mississippys. To date, after 6 o'clock, if you're not going to the Jack in the Box or McDonald's or Tarco Bell, it's not one black restaurant that you can go to. If you want to go to the movies, you have to go to Carson, you have to go to Cerritos. It's not one black. When I grew up, we had two movie theaters. We have a skating rang.

But when White Flight left, they took the economics. So now everybody is fighting over nothing. So when you create economics, you create a different dispensation. So California, we talk about California, this is the only state that still praxis slavery. So they don't care about killing gang members of. They want to incorporate them. They're taking 16-year-old, 15-year-olds, and get them what they was given in Texas in 60, 100 years, 100. So you took all of this youth's life away from him and he'd get out at 60.

What can he do? That's right. That's right. You know? You know? So yeah, the main thing to create a different concept, I don't, rehabilitation means to take you out of one situation and put you in another one. So if I put you in prison and you got a bunk every day, every place you got to go to eat,

when I first got out of prison, I don't, everybody that I knew woke up in six of o'clock in the morning. My parents walk up at nine o'clock. I'm sitting on the side of the bed, nobody to talk to. Every in prison, everything is clockwise. And anybody going counterclockwise is the enemy. They took me to the Del Alamo Mall. I almost had a nervous breakdown. I wouldn't used to the street like that. White folks walking by you like no regard. What the hell? Well, calm down. So when you have this situation and you put me back into the same How can you do anything but recidivism? So now you've got to employ in a man's mind.

You can go back to the same place, but you don't have to do the same thing. Good shit. Good shit. And our likelihood for survival is we had caring parents. You know, fuck what I did if my mama wouldn't believe it. You know what I'm saying? Right. And I never told I did it. I never told I didn't.

You know what I'm saying? Right. I let her make her opinion. It was not always good for her, but she stuck by me for 25 years. When I didn't have a girlfriend, I was telling some dudes yesterday, we were talking about when I were being my crime partners

in San Quentin, and you country boys, we rode horses and the pimps and the dudes from up north, they was talking shit, and we shedding penitentiaries down at that time, and they were, I'm, man, I could have got a visit,

but you've been there 52 months, you ain't never had a visit. And you stayed right in Richmond in San Francisco. Oh, y'all mama's boy, so you got your mama so mad she won't come visit you across the Richmond Bridge. And my mother comes 600 miles, once a month to see me whether she can or not.

So we have to get back to the business of our business being the village that we are. But also, too, yeah. When y'all talk about it, y'all have protection in there as well. Y'all knew exactly what you're supposed to protect and exactly who the enemies is. Now, I mean, your enemies didn't look like y'all. You know what I'm saying? Y'all had, what, the spook hunters and all that said?

And the police, you know, go against and everything like that. So typically all the ones that was after you, it was wearing a badge or it looked nothing like you. But then again, it's still the same way. I mean, in prison, we just haven't got the knowledge of the younger generation. When I was in San Quentin in 83, all the Crips was in East Block. 60s didn't get along with eight trades. You had nine affiliates. All the BGF and the Bluffs, we was in North Block, North Block facility, right?

So we were segregated from the street gangs to prison gangs, right? So we went, they had five different yards, five different black fractions, all of us black. We were in five different yards. The Mexicans and the whites, the Mexican mafia and the Aryan Brotherhood, they was on the same yard on. And they identified all of us. We battling each other. When I got to Tracy, they told me I couldn't come to the yard,

but you had white boys wearing red sweatshirts. You never said shit to them. You feel what I'm saying? So when you get a, when we don't understand that it's, and they're starting to get it. Now, because the death rate is going the way it's going with corona, with everything. I got a son doing 24 years. They're starting to see, like, man, I understand.

When my son first went to prison, I tell you brought, that should be the worst thing you ever thought about. Everything you are working, prison is like getting shit thrown in your face. What's that like seeing your son going in to do such a long bid, given that I'm sure you spent his whole childhood hoping that that wouldn't happen to him? No, I never thought about it. We never thought about the possibility of him giving it. I mean, you know, like, I told you before, before I told you before, it's something that is taken away from a killer. I don't have a cinemas like that.

I can give you every, I try to give my children everything that my dad did for me. When we talk about making a difference, I'm in the street every day. I go through my hood. I go through the park as a grown man. I got a car, I got a responsibility. I have a nine-year-old, a 12-year-old that I take care of. And I fuck with them until they turn 18. You got one time, you can go to college or you go to jail.

I'll bail you out one time. After that, fuck you. You understand what I mean? You don't have nothing to do with me. What's your life is your life. Take that lesson. To my sense that immediately. Yeah.

So sometimes a parent, can hinder you. They can pray for you so much, man, you ain't give it a fuck about it until you want to change. Now my son has changed it. I told him, he's like, damn, man. When did he go in? In 2008.

Oh, shit. He's the only man in California. The only man in California got an attempted murder on my John Doe. He never even have a victim. How's that work? Tell me how it worked. Wow.

Wow. I ain't heard anything like that before. Melvin, same question. How do we make these kids stop shooting each other in the long run? Well, a lot of times it's really isolated incidents that turn, conflicts that turn, that should have a different resolution and they turn deadly. But a lot of these things that are being claimed gang activity, gang violence, gang murders, they're really isolated incidents where others get involved as far as that. my homie, this or that. So we have to really look at the dynamics of what's going on.

But I think at the end of the day, you have to show them, and for instance, they took away the trades in the inner city schools. I believe that if you had a nail gun and a job as opposed to a handgun and a case. Right. But a lot of times, the only thing stronger

than a man's pride is a mother's love. So they'll go on and they want to be swallow their pride in certain situations where you should be able to walk away from it. They don't want to walk away. So I think the main thing is the start is in the right direction to where it could really make a whole difference is that what doesn't happen in intervention and prevention in the state of California because you got state, you got county, and I'm talking about LA, the grid program with the mayors is that you might have the nine-o's but they working with the sheriff department.

And the city council members there where across the street you got the A-Trader Rowland 60, we're counting. So they never can interact to where you got warned factions. You have to create dialogue, not between allies, because the way the intervention is set up now, you might have a grid on Western and 83rd. But everybody over there that's in the program are allies.

to where you have to have warned factions where you can create some type of dialogue to get to where you're trying to go until you can create that, a universal platform to where they can talk, and then have some type of understanding, guidelines, rules, and regulations because nobody gonna turn their gun in

for no concert ticket. And then you also have to remember the racial tensions that occur. What if black stopped killing and not We still going to have to protect itself because you got other races that kill us because of the color of our skin. But blacks only kill blacks

because of the areas they stay in. Proximity killing is how they are. They proximity kill it. And because of the years that has been taken 50, 60 with more than them, like me and more, we know the same people. And we ain't even from Compton.

But these youths nine days because of the 50 years of segregation, most of them don't know each. other and it's very easy to kill a stranger. But it's very hard to kill somebody that you know and kill them then got to kiss their mother at the funeral. It's a big different ballgame. A lot of people out here are strangers. We have to make it to where they can create dialogue and get to know each other. We don't do that and it can be done. But local elected officials, they tend to stay out of it and let

this foster. I blame it on the local elected officials because that's where the funding come. And I know quite a few of them that it gives certain organizations money because they will bring in the votes for them. But let you say, hey, I don't like your politics. I don't like it. You're not going to get no grant money. And that's what I mean by. I never done it. I was in the first gang intervention program ever in the city of Los Angeles, which Ruth Russian, I mean, Ruth Washington that owned it the Sentinel newspaper. That was the loan table. And then somebody got killed there and that ended that.

But they've always had gang interventions. Well, you hear a lot of people say that in large part, the gang problem and the violence and stuff comes from the broken family units. Do you agree that the death of like marriage and, you know, families just not staying together and men not feeling any kind of obligation to take care of their kids? Would you say that that's probably one of the biggest factors in terms of this? No. Really? I wouldn't say that because we, we. We've had broken families for years when you have different types of scenarios that are

acquired in our different part of society. And you can blame it on, well, it was a broken home. And all of us had broken homes. I had a mother and father. I didn't know that I lived in the ghetto until I got to W.A. I thought Compton was Baybury, you know. And they told me I lived in an urban ghetto. Like, I had my own room all my life.

Right. I didn't, I never went to the refrigerator. There was no food there. I never, my shoes was never run over. And I still psyched out. So it's when you tend to look at it. I mean, our situation right now, it's been planned and preceded that, like I told you before, they made it so impossible for you to control your child.

And they put an economics up so much that a mother couldn't be at home with their children. And so then we started the latchkey kids. Once the latchkey kids came, now we came into computer games. Right now, in the ghetto specifically, I told you, we started off with ants and magnifying glasses. Now it's San Andreas fall called to duty. You got a four-year-old shooting every day. what you think this dude going to do when he's 16? So when it comes to those type of situations,

you have a whole different concept. And, you know, we look at the police. I worked for Mike Tyson for two years. And we went to Langley, and they have a feel about Biggest Compton, and it's where they go and practice for targets for hostage situations. and all their hostage situations, and if it's a black or a Hispanic come out, it's a good kill. But if a white man comes out, you shoot him.

You got to start it over again. That's how they break down the game, basically? No, that's how they. No, he's saying this is how they hit the field that was training. This is a target. So now, in the police academy, you go to the police academy, go to the sheriff academy. All their targets are black or Mexicans. They ain't got no white.

So when they shoot you, they're not shooting you. They're shooting the target. And they empty on the target because they're programmed to that. Right. Right. So now we got youngsters growing up. They've been this, and once they get a real gun, it's just shooting. Right.

That's why a lot of times they'll be like one of these school shootings and you'll hear Republican candidates or whatever, try to say stuff about how, oh, we got to blame it on video games or whatever. and it feels like bullshit because it's like there's a lot of things that can influence a kid to shoot somebody besides playing fucking Fortnite. But at the same time, I do think... What else? When you look...

Well, the music, the movies, etc. I mean, I had a murder robbery on Beauty's Only Skin Deep. So the music, you know, you can say a lot of shit. But then again, they've been doing school shooting since the avid and guns and shit like that. Like, this is always... Yeah, it's not nothing. It's not a new.

But when you take GTA and you... you look at it and it's a game about basically where you're basically rewarded for being the type of person that is going to land in prison for 20 years. Is that kind of irresponsible to just allow kids to play that? I can definitely see that. Maybe they put a mature rating on it for the Let me say that it's about the video game. What's the problem really is this. When you look at these video games, they got a certain tag on them that say. Permanent. advisory. It's the parents that aren't monitoring what they kid

watch is to blame for it. Not the kid like to me. But that's a pacify. I mean, just because most of the parents now, they're so uneducated. And I can tell you first had experience. I went into my daughter's house one day. My grandson's like four years old, right? And he's playing this San Andreas Falk, car theft. Right.

Yeah, Grand Theft Auto. And Achilles just and he's wrecking in this stuff, right? And he's just running, I'm like, and so I sit there and watch him about 10 minutes. And he's breaking these cars and he's jumping out. And I said, Keely, you ain't No, Granddaddy, you don't know. This is.

So if this dude is doing this at 4, when you give him a car at 16, do you think he's going to ought to drive? He's been practicing this that I can run over something and it's all right. That I can just hit this and just take it and jump out. Yeah, but how much blame go to the parents, though, because

you just basically came in as a parental figure and then told him basically he shouldn't be playing that. So in your mind psychologically, you know he shouldn't be desensitized to accidents and murder and everything like that. That's just coming from the guardian perspective. So then

it becomes how much blame are we putting on one, how did the game get there? It had to be bought. How did the game system get there? It had to be bought. Who got the goddamn money in the house? Because I don't think the government or the video game company should be expected to not put these kind of games up because the reality is is that if me at 38, if I want to sit around playing GTA-5, hey, it's a fucking free country.

I should be able to, you know? But at the same time, if my kid is watching a R-rated movie or my kid's playing an R-rated video game or whatever, I mean, that is on me to be on top of this situation, right? It's on me when I'm educated, when I'm not educated, when I'm not educated, when I grew up on welfare, when I grew up seeing this as an everyday occurrence. And I have a child, I think it's normal.

I'm just, all she don't want is him bugging her. Exactly. And she's right there. That's the way to where they sit. She's a parent, like, go ahead, Marr. She's sitting back smoking a blood talking shit to her girlfriend and AIM got a job and got crystal stairs. I got friends who their kids have been on TikTok for years or months or whatever.

And then finally they tune in and they get. pissed off because they're like the whole TikTok feed is girls with huge fake asses shaking their fake asses in the camera and I'm like well how the hell did you let your kid look at TikTok for two years before you figure that out and I agree that that's probably not a great

thing that your fucking nine year old daughter she thinks that this is what women were put on earth to do because this is her form of medium she thinks that these are the best women on earth these are the most well-known women on earth because they're popping up on this app and if you want your kid to grow up thinking that a woman is meant for more

that you should probably have an active role in what kind of media your kid is consuming. Right. And that's the thing is they let technology babysit these kids. I walked into many of the houses and the kid got a tablet. Just boom, boom, boom, can't even speak a lick of English.

But know how to pop up the app that they won't, get the exact videos that they want, and watch it over and over and over again. And I'm like, yo, is you going to get your kid a coloring book? Get some buying roast motor skills or something like that. Like, because they learn then how to consume media but never actually create anything.

Right. You know? And I want to say something because a lot of times people Melbourne about, and I didn't get to answer about how I felt about my son. Right, right. Because people know when you Google me, you're going to Google my son. He got 500 years where he was attacking the elderly

people running into their houses. And people always say, well, Melbourne, ain't nobody never let me address it. So this is what happened with my son. My son was the number one ranked bass basketball player and he got his leg broke with Tashon Prince, Terry Prince, which was his brother. Marup's son was on his way to playing pro basketball, broke his leg where Tashon had brought Terry a car and they got in a wreck and it shattered his leg. They put him on medication.

Pills. He got hooked on pills, but he was so depressed because he never had a tattoo played basketball this whole life. Then they had this when the three strikes come out. They had a scandal at Compton College to where they were bringing in ringers from other states, and they won the national championship. My son had got a scholarship to go to Utah State. I had one and signed a letter of intent, and then they seemed that he had been going to a Whittier, J.C.,

where he was the leading scorer in the nation in college basketball, but he wasn't being forced to go to class. My son had seven PE classes. I went up there one day and all his friends in the classroom. So they were using my son. So after he got injured, he started using drugs, depression. And so I see him one day. I'm watching the internet.

I see he doing, coming up with money that he wasn't working for. See, I'm not an enabler. Right. So I call him and I say, look here, young man. Don't think I don't know what drugs you're on and don't think I don't know how you're doing your, getting your money. But I'm going to tell you this, that drug you own.

Whose phone is that? Oh, can we turn it off or something? So I told my son, look here, young man, you're going down the wrong path to where these drugs and what you're doing. You're going to wake up one morning and ain't going to know what you did and your whole life going to be over with. Right. So my daughter called me.

Dad, look at what Melvin doing. So I say, don't worry about it. I say, when he call you, collect from being in jail. Don't answer that phone. See, I'm a firm believer in. You do the crime. You do the time. Right.

So they don't listen. We've been down these paths, but people are trying to think they can skirt around it and all this and that. So at the end of the day, he gets 500 years. But this is what I did tell him, because he had other defendants with him. Right. Girls with little kids.

I'd say, you ride this beef, young man, and plead guilty and let these girls and everybody else go. My son wrote the beef. Really? Yeah. And I told him, because I had to do a press conference, I'd say if I'd have called him first,

you wouldn't have had to worry about having a trial. So that's about me and my son So did anyone get hurt in these home invasions? Yeah, he was sexually assaulting him because he was using fentanyl or whatever that he is And sexually and all of them But it wasn't just him, it was other ones too But if you look up what the drug does

That's what one of the things That it occurs off a meth You also got yuck mouth And that's what happened You go to geek and these are things He's not the first to do it You got a lot of them that do it off that. But I'm not held responsible for a grown man's action.

Right. So that's how that go. Don't come label me about what he does. His ass is in jail. And that's how I go. Right. And I don't stand for it. But if I had called him before they called him,

and then people are talking about, I'm Melvin this. But people didn't know because he was leaving DNA. I'm under investigation. Oh, wow. And this, when you hear that cluster right, I'm elven, and have nothing, but he didn't know, Buster-ass, Negro. I had just got raided behind his ass,

where they told me to put on my backpack, and that's what you're taking with you behind this. So perception and reality, that's one of the reason I don't like a lot of these shows, because you'll have it instead of being 360, you'll have 180 where you're doing sound bites and likes, and you never had the same two people up to where they can combat what they're saying,

refute it and then that's how I go. So it's a big problem with me about a lot of these shows that are one-sided, looking for sound bites and lights, but they never call you up there. They hide in them. They're good and go. And that's why I don't like the misuse of the Internet now. We are basically misusing it. And I don't hear nothing positive coming out of it.

But here we are. We doing the work in other people. And then the fake, you know, these fake cats up here, all they doing this, waiting for the real to expose them like we're going to get into later on today. We might as well hit that. So tell me your first introduction to Charleston and White because you said that you were actually managing him at a certain point, right? I'm going to send you a video where you'll see Charleston White came to L.A.

where he had been following me on the Internet in 2018. 2018, because he said that he went to Nipsy's funeral. He went through me. Okay. But before that, he came and say, man, I watched. you're the only game member that talked the truth and helping the community and I just had to meet you. I got the video. Right. I said it right after this. And how did you mean them before that? Were you seen in my line? No, no. I don't even know him. Okay. He's following me. Gotcha. He's following me. Right. I don't send friend requests. I don't do none of that. You got to send a friend request to me. Then I'm going to check you out. I don't have three or four pages closed. 20,000. Uh, uh, uh,

members, viewers, and all that. That's just on YouTube after the 5,000 or whatever. So anyway, he'd come up to St. Andrews Park like these young men, out of Georgia, and they come from all over. But they'll come to St. Andrews Park to meet me because I've been there. That's the maker of where the Westside Crips started. But that's also where we've been helping youths and protecting the park because most parks in Los Angeles, Compton, they're ganging.

can't everybody enjoy the part? So we had it to where we always protecting the elderly when they're in the morning and because the police don't be there. So we've been doing this since 1972. So he come up there. Yeah, I just had to meet you. You guys can come back because you're the elders and your wisdom can come back and help the community. Gang banging can't stop unless we have you and other guys. This is on the video, I'm going to send you. So after that, I introduced him to the A-TRAs and the other ones because he's from the 60s at this time. Why are you coming to A-Tray? Why are you coming to me? Right. And you're from the 60s because he couldn't go. Okay. He ain't big enough for that.

Who going to know him? They're going to punish him. But I'm humble to where I welcome anybody that come, but I don't mess with him. So we started hanging out, and I did a show. I'm producing shows for kids. KPFA, I had a show called Conversation, Pete, voices from the street. These are real radio shows,

by the way. Prime time slots. Me and Alex Alonzo during December, because I'd give an annual Tookie tribute from December, his birthday to 28th, executed the same month. So I'd say, Charleston White, you can come on the show with me. This gave him his break.

I put him on the show, and I you that video. Then we did Althea Moses, the Olympic track star. She had a program in Englewood at Darby Park and needed a program written. Me and Charleston Wright wrote her program. Then Nipsey Hustle get executed, a shot, rather, pardon me. Nipsey Hustle gets shot, but the night Nipsey got shot, Charleston White was with me when barefoot, Pookie, Bob, Lou, and they come over to tell me, Melvin, this isolated incident, because I'm on the internet to keep the rumors because of how to misuse of the internet. And we knew from 2015, shit could get real hot from them saying, gang. In fact, I was getting called. Hey, Melvin, they said to A. Trey Gangster

Crips did this. And I start putting out, if you're looking on my old page. I said, uh, uh, Nipsey's been shot at the beginning. Then the next thing you'll see me. say is what did I say after that? And if she'd been shot, but I knew he was dead at that time. But I also said I think he'd been shot.

From your perspective, you had a lot of people basically throwing out rumors acting. No, they cut them because the word, at this time, I had another social media outlet where my word was pretty good. Don't forget, we don't went from

20, 100 days, 100 nights, to where My word is pretty much the news of the street. That's how hidden corners started. So we had to quell the rumor. And then we put out that it was an isolated incident. Because at first, nobody really knew. Nobody really knew at least the first day. No, it happened way.

We knew way like 10 minutes later because, don't forget, I had already been talking to the 60s, one of the tops. So they called me immediately. I mean, Cowboys right there, and he knows exactly what was going on. Yeah, but not cowboys, other ones that you never will hear their voices that are heavy hitters that you won't see them. But I was talking to one of the top flight ones that you don't see on social media. Because don't forget in 2016, I told you, I had been talking to them anyway about kind of swatching what we got going on, Atray, and the rolling 60s. And so then after that, Mipsey get slain and it's come now.

going to the Staples Center for its funeral. Right. I'm Charleston White with me. We got Perry Mania. We got Barefoot Pookie. We got Byron Logan. We got Peek, Windbush. All these are 60s.

I'm from A. Trey. So I'm doing interviews with the Nation of Islam. Charlene Mohamed. That do final call. I'm with Snoop in the back. I'm with a Battlecat. I'm in the VIP. So we get in.

And if BattleCat from the Termin. of two. Yeah, battle set from the 60s. What's the boy name who just got a DJ Quick was back there. Usher, Westbrook, who else, what's his name, Buster Rhymes, all of us back there. So I'm kicking it with Snoop, Coach, Ward. And so Ray Shana, Washington, Raymond Washington daughter was there. That's who Charleston went with once we got in because you couldn't get in. We went through the VIP section. I went in there with Steve LaBelle to be with big you and them. All of us get in because I get us all in because we knew somebody at the gate. So now, Saheed and them come. You remember when Faircon came to speak? So I knew Sahi through

Marvin and I went up to Sahe and I went on backstage with Faircon. When he got ready to talk, then I had talked to Black Sam in the front when they first came out. If you look at the video, you see me, I'm the flyers one in the whole stadium. So Charleston got, oh, yeah, I got the pictures. Respect. Yeah. So Charleston, he's not doing what he say where he was looking. Charleston was running his ass right up around up under the crypt, happier than a punk in the Peter Tree to be there.

And that's what I mean about people would say something and then they don't get to rebuttal it or nothing. I don't need no long distance sitting right here. So after that, now he talked about he went and got a job here. He didn't go get that job where he went to no halfway house. I told him after I heard he didn't have no record. I said, man, you can get any job you want out here. You black and ain't got no arrest record. Look on the Internet.

That's when he started getting $3,000 a month. So then he said, man, I need to do a little shopping. What was he trying to do? Is you trying to be a YouTuber through? No, he wasn't even, he was coming to run and be with me. Just hang out. He wasn't telling you what he wanted to be. No, he wanted to run back to Texas.

I'm the boss. He just up under me because he was admiring me. He was fanned out. He was fanned out, but I'm humble. Because one day they almost was fit to kill him and he called me. And I make a call wherever they, he was and that saved it's like.

So after this, I'm trying to help him get money because he'd say oh, Melvin didn't have this. But Melvin, remember I told you? You got to be 360. You can't play halfway in the game where you're talking about changing lives instead of he's doing crime. So I hooked him

up the way he could buy weed. That's when he got robbed later on. Who robbed him? I don't know who robbed him. He just told me. They robbed him and tied him up. Tied him up. for some weed? No, the way they had been getting it started off, he was buying maybe one pound. Okay. Then some dudes came out here. That's when Babelieu went to Texas because they were

bloods out there. And I hooked him up with Babelieu, where when they come in to meet Babelieu, they paying $500, tried to give me something. I didn't want it because I didn't want to be involved. So at the end of the day, what I'm saying is I was hooking him up to do illegal things, but I wouldn't do it because that means I'm playing both sides. So when I took him, I said, man, let's go down to the garment district because he wanted to get something, which he lied, and he didn't even know what it was where the other day he said, I'd start selling clothes from off rodeo.

It was the garment district. So he's saying, man, all these bootleg purses and stuff, I can sell. So I say, well, why don't you do this? And really, I got the videos of that too. Didn't he wear his own purse too? So anyway, I say, man, look, why don't you start going live and showing them the products down here, then basically getting the money and buying what they want and taking it back? And that's how he started blowing up.

So I didn't do nothing but helped a young man. But he wasn't trying to be nothing. And then after he got robbed, then his attitude changed and he felt, I'm going to call it envy. where he feel that he need to be in a place. Because when you really look at it, what has he done? Nothing. A bunch of interviews. But they're nothing.

That's about it. But that sound bites and lights because these blacks, they ain't worried about saving their life. All they want is sound bites. They look at it like a hustle. And that's got to change. Well, and, I mean, and two, you know, like he came out here with a plot in the plan because this is way deeper.

then this dude is really a psych patient. And if you look at everything that happened to him, he knocked his own eye out. He was trying, he said he had a pencil, and he stuck his eye and fractured his eye, and then he went to a circus running at some clowns and had to have eight surgeries on his eyes. So he's a failure in trying to even navigate himself through life.

Wow. So then when he went to the juvenile, detention after he ratted on his on his on his crime partners and and he know he know big bill one of the guys one of the kids that was in Gideons with him that how he became a 60 Crip when they found out that he had told on his crime partners they had Charleston why he was the littlest the you know looked like Jimmy the cricket so they had him doing different deeds in in in the reformatory and he would and he was on on

something, 85 West or South with D.G. D.C. Young Fly. And he told D.G. that he couldn't do. He never been to prison either. He was in a facility with girls. And he acted like a girl. He got pressured. And he went into a facility, went into what they call it sensitive needs now. But it's PC. Protected custody. He went to protective custody and stayed in protective custody for nine months until he went and testified. went to court at 17 and testified against his crime partner. I know this is fucking up the timeline, but let me just throw this question in here. If a man gets into a confrontation with another group of men in a public place

and he chooses to mace the other people, is that some, is that acceptable or is that some ho-ass shit? I mean, if a man gets in... He did that to Soldier Boy, for the record. I mean, that's what they allegedly, and nobody got maced. They said it was.

in there. Ain't nobody put it in it. He's not, he can't even shoot straight if he did it. Right. But if you knew that somebody tried to rob me yesterday and I pulled out the mace and smashed them, like, like is that, is that respectable or is that some weird that shit? That's cool shit. If you come and try to jack me, I'm going to shoot you. I ain't going to have no mace. That would be the question is why are you carrying? But you got to have your hand on a mace. You got to understand this is a man that talks about weapons and has all these guns and he never shot nobody. Right. So talking about it is one thing.

Completing the act is something else. So he's talked about all of these things. And just like, and that's the formulation of a retarded mindset that he's from little old town in Texas. And he's a 60 Crip. He comes to big old California to meet Melvin Farmer, 8thray Crip, gangster Crip. And he didn't know that the 60s and the Crips were worn for 20 years.

The most famous gang rivalry realistically in the history of gang gang. He didn't read that in Monster Cody's book. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that didn't come in the pages. So he went to, they say he came down there. He said he came down to St. Andrews Park looking for, where is skull? He walked right up to me.

And they said, well, man, what? And I say, I don't call me OG, bro. Who in the hell is this dude? And he's saying from 60s, he's got to be the police of the biggest bull of Melbourne where he's from Texas. Right. So he came and infiltrated. And he was always so mad about the way he got situated.

And the things that's happening as well. Like Melvin said, he's tried to sell a weed. Then he tried to sell crack and he got robbed. He started pimping. And he had this white girl that had two trick babies and a real pimp took her and she left the two babies. So all the tests he's getting, he need to get a DNA test on them kids. She left the babies. Yeah.

And that was behind the dudes that took him. They had rented a yacht in Marina Del Rey. When Charleston White, they're the ones that were fronting Charleston the money. When Charleston got robbed and tied up and lost that, he told me this. And he said, man, I say, did that hurt you? Was it a big loss? He said, man, it hurt me with them dudes. And the same dude went back and took Charleston wife and everything else and left

Charleston with the kids. The same dude who he was getting it from. Yes, sir. What the fuck? Let me ask you this. I'm sure you've had a million weirdos try to be cool with you over the years. And so your radar has probably, like I feel this way,

that my radar for telling when somebody's talking to me if they're a weirdo or if they're a cool guy, I feel like I'm pretty good at making that judgment call. How did you let that one slip by? When you look back on it, should your radar have been a little bit more precise to spot that he was a weirdo? Let me tell you this.

Busters get in your life quicker than anybody else. Real dudes. You don't want to fuck with him because we ain't got nothing to say. Right. But they all got, I got another little Billy Barty-ass guy that he has all these claims and he knows all these people. Right.

But you're from Pekoma. Oh. Oh, shit. And you know. And so you have, but you have all these associations. I've been gangbanging since 1959. I've never met Big Hugh. I've never.

I know Dale Dogg and Stutterbox, but I never did business with them. So how do you come in from 93 to 2000 and you get all these hookups? You got to be an agent. You better watch Scorpio and, you know. But let me answer that question about it. It wasn't no slip through. It wasn't no slip through. Charleston was a good dude.

No, he wasn't. No, I'm just saying from my, I'm speaking for me. I'm speaking for me. He cared with his hands out. No, he didn't come. See, we keep it 100. Charleston isn't the same guy, and you'll see the videos, until after he got robbed. Everybody at that park, he talked as sensible, we was having fun.

He didn't have the same attitude that he had now until that robbery occurred. Then that changed his outlook as far as what he's read in the books and all that. So he didn't come like, oh, playing old dumb. We was doing a lot of little things together, and everybody accepted him. He come, he bring his weed, and everybody knew him. So after that, because he told me, man, I was in Texas right when they had the cold in Dallas. And I knew the plot he was doing. He told me, I'm right there.

He say, Melbourne, I'm going to go the opposite of everybody or what everybody's saying. And that's what he's doing right now. He told me this. But he also told me, I guess he had talked to say something about George Floyd. And remember, I don't know, I didn't look, but I'm in the car with him after we just did a show. And I'll show you the pictures where I'm in Texas where we don't do it. something because he ain't went crazy yet. Right.

See, this didn't just start till after this, after about 2020 or somewhere up in there. So anyway, Charleston tell me, man, because I see somebody with a gun. And he said, man, that dude carrying a gun. And I say, carrying a gun. I say, this is an open and carry state. He said, yeah, because I didn't know it.

So when we go to the car at the gas station, he pulled out of 45 and he said I got one so I said well God damn me I need two of them this exactly what I do I don't did it with Gucci Man when I found out Georgia why don't I'm gonna be running around with all the gun

and everybody else got one right so anyway he say the FBI called me I say call you for what he said behind George Floyd or whatever he said like I say I ain't never seen it he's telling me I guess it had happened with George Floyd and...

He was clowning George Floyd, basically. Yeah, I guess that's making light of the situation. I don't... But then Stephen Jackson, too. That's what he told me. He said, man, I did something with George Floyd and Stephen Jackson, and he said the FBI called me and asked me, did I want protection of this and that?

So I say, the FBI called you. And he said, man, if I was you, I work with the police. I wouldn't be around me. And that's the last time I've been around me. So that's how that went. He told you, I work with the police. He told me the best. thing to do, man. You know I work

with the police. Don't be around me. And I ain't ever said nothing sense to him. Wow. And so then how do you go about getting the paperwork to basically show his involvement with law enforcement? As far as this one. Yeah, we've got some paperwork right here. I know there's been a lot said about him

snitching. Welcome to Sadlock. This is me and Mark. We did our due diligence because on Hidden Corners, which we co-host, we have a program where we call the Innocent Projects, as far as Barry check and all them, they need DNA. We do the research and the paperwork to where we can look

where your civil rights might have been violated. And it took us how long, Marr about five, six months of digging? Hard digging. Hard digging. Because he didn't think, he thought because he was a juvenile because he'd been lying about everything he said. But me and Marb dug him out. And now you fit to see the result. So he's in his 40s and you got paperwork on him

from when he was 17 or something? When he was 14. 14. 14. 1991. Then that paper, that's the transcript of his court case when he, after three years in Gideon, it shows the sign of declaration that he made to be a state's witness. Right.

Against his crime partner, and he testified at age 17. Because you guys were clarifying to me that he's not a rat in the traditional sense. No, he's not a snitch. He's a rat. Right. A rat. It's a big difference. when you hear the word snitch.

What's the difference? Put it on them. Well, I'm going to say this. Snitching is not uncommon. But when you're a rat, you don't want to do it a crime. Like in this case, you got a young man where they all were 14 and 15. One of them had to take 99 years.

Another one still incarcerated at 15. He's 45 now. He got 75 years. And this rat got caught. In his earliest release date is 2006. 66. And Charleston out here. talking about I fight juvenile and trying to change the laws, but you've got your own crime

partners put in as juveniles, and now he's going up under a program called IVSS Integrated Victim Service System, where he go as a witness input, impact statement, to where he go to the own crimey that he snitched on and go to his parole hearings and tell the board, do not release him. I fear for my life. And that's Doolittle, right? Yes. Yes.

What's Doolittle's first day? Antoine. Antoine Doolittle. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, yeah, that's how he started off, and he has the same, like, you say, like Melville was alluring to snitching. It's like, you don't want something to happen, so you just, you know, I'm telltelling.

Right. everybody, if you got some problems and you need to get rid of them, if you can't find me, call the police, man, you know, since you just take it this year. That's only a certain level of involvement, whereas what he's done is he's had this ongoing consistent relationship with the same.

We're in the same degree of crime. We're in the same degree of crime. And I turn over on you to save myself. That's a difference. Right. He got arrested first. at 14 to where you hear, oh, I killed this man. Because we're fired and fiddle of Frippaal of Ritter Havis Corpus behind this because all on the radio.

I killed a white man. I kill the right man. But when you hear these transcripts and him telling and singing like Ray Charles, that's not right what this young man do. And nobody should have a platform from him after they hear this. In fact, we're going to give anybody a warning that put him on his show because we filed the Ritter-Habius. corporates in federal court. If he go to threatening, clowning, we're going to file because we are retained by federal

attorneys that are filing this. That means you're trying to influence or intimidate local, as for its lawyers. And we will have your show up under investigation for allowing that because now you're tampering with federal law. And what about the victim's sister? What does she want? She, for 10, her name is Sherry Blood. 10 years ago, this young man's been eligible for parole since 2006.

10 years ago, Sherry Blood said, I don't mind a young man getting out. Charleston White keeps calling up there because of this program that's run by the Department of Texas, Texas Department of Correction, which is called IVSS, which means that any victim, witness or concerned citizens, send us your information, and you will always know if you testified against this person, you will always know where it's location at when he's going to the board to make a witness impact statement, and that's what Charleston do.

Charleston goes personally to the board meetings to keep its own crime partner in jail. That ain't right. Who was 15 years old at the time of the crime? And he's eligible for parole right. right now and he's still going to court to argue that he should not be able to. He go to the parole board end. The young man is eligible to go up to a parole.

What happened is Melvin got, Antoine's brother got in contact with Melvin. And a lot of times we'd be in prison. That dude don't know the law. You know, he don't know what his options were. And Melvin gave his brother identification of what his options are. And some of the things that happened. And he probably heard about the stuff that a dude was saying on media and how he's this and this and that and how he orchestrated

and how he gave him the gun and he ordered him to kill him. I didn't even what the transcripts say. You know, transcripts say something all together different. So now Melvin gave him an option where we're trying to challenge me, You know, and just like in the court of law, they're going to ask you, was your memory any better then than it is now? And what I say may be a lie, and I may justify. But with community pressure, this dude shouldn't still be in prison, you know.

We're going to start a campaign for him. Michael Levy's sister and their family forgave dude, you know. And they say the mental status of a child, a kid doesn't mature until. he's 26. Right. This boy was 15. Right. You know, and why is he still? Because he said, I'm going to fight the case because Charles, he went to youth authority.

The other little, big twine, took 99 years. And he felt like, man, I'm just, I ain't got nobody against me. And who pops up two years later but his own crime partner and IDZing? Yeah, Charleston White did he hit. That's one of the motions with. filing. He wasn't on the witness list. They didn't know Charleston White. See, Charleston White, they all were tried up under what they call a certification hearing. They all, by, the case happened 9, 1891, by the start of 92, they went to what they called a certification here

where you get tried as an adult. Three of them got certified. Charleston never got certified. So Charleston never was looking at no prison. He was looking at a juvenile sentence. Tell he was 21. And that's when he got out. So all these are false propaganda and statements that he's been making. How did you feel when you saw the clip of him saying that he's raped to white women? Me?

I don't even look at the internet. I hear it. But I feel like this. That felt like to me, anyone who's in business with him should probably take a step back when he's out here blatantly bragging about doing something like that to a woman at any race, right? I mean, but it's just, that's the character. Yeah.

Okay. But now here you say, and justified, I call him public enemy number one to every black young, youngster in United States. Because you say, yeah, yeah, I rob white, I rape white women. How do you speak in front of children, you know, and you claim this is what you did? I killed a white, but it's all false allegations. Because doesn't he work for a church or some youth organization? He doesn't work for nothing.

He's never worked for nothing. Because I was thinking that seems like that would be an obvious thing to fire someone for it. He doesn't have no intervention program. Look up hype. It's never had no money. In fact, when he talk about, he talked about, oh, I change laws. That's an MVP program in Dallas, Texas, where you could go for 90 days. and if you qualify

and they pay you $1,500. In fact, they wanted me to join and say, Melvin, you would be a good candidate. So all this shit about he was changing this and doing this, you ain't seen him at no school when he was in Memphis. That was me that called up to that school and say, how you got him? And we put the play to tape.

And then when he did the Dallas thing where they told him and he said that the police told him he got to lead to campus, that was us that call up there. Wow. and told him how you got him. And then when they heard that, he can't work nowhere with no kids. You ain't seen him with nothing.

In fact, you ain't seen him do nothing in six months but run its mouth. Sitting the car on his phone and all that shit. And the only time he did with the kids was with Big James. Rick James, I mean, with Mobb James. He liked to go by Big James and he goes to come right out. But don't forget also Charleston White and y'all, y'all, careless listeners, then here when Big James, Mobb James say, that he was disgusted when Charleston White tried to jump on a 16-year-old,

but y'all didn't listen to that. That's Jojo. Charleston White could be charged with aggravated assault on the 16-year-old, but they don't want the public scrutiny. Right. Yeah, so don't forget that. They didn't even know how to do, like, the creation of, like, making fires or stuff like that, but, you know, they was already doing that when they was youngings

and, you know, the scout programs and all that shit. So not only that, calling the kids all type of homophobic slurs and shit like that. That's one of the things that turn Big Jones off of him, too. I feel like I could list off 10 reasons why this guy would not be okay to, like, work with kids or working schools or anything like that. Like off the top of my head, I could think of 10 things. And don't forget when Marvin's niece was murdered, he talking about. Okay.

No, I just saying how he ran his mouth. Yeah, but he always do that. Okay. So on his paperwork, right? right here right there was a video made by Charleston white that says let me get the exact word out I got 25,000 yes sir for any paperwork on say cheese can we can we can we go to January 2nd 2020 right right we got 25 grand yeah yeah this right here is the official paperwork right here but there's a bigger document that's bigger than two Bible

sitting down where this man jumps on this goddamn stage a.k.a. the witness stand and says I don't know. You got a case number in a matter of Charleston DeMond White and a 30

23rd Judicial District Court of Tarrant County, Texas. That's your case right there. He said right here Look how many pieces of paper he got. Look at this file. So that's a phone book right here. Where that?

one where he said he pointed to the damn I walked out. Yeah, here we go. Right here. Out of his own words, I saw as I walked out into the apartment patio, I was scanning the roof where the information was that the weapon man had been picked up on the roof, where he says, we went to the location, reported a weapon and pointed to the roof. That's Detective Parker. Detective Parker interviews Charleston White in the car when he gets arrested.

And Charleston White tells him to go to this apartment. And the gun is right there on the roof. So what I had to ask is, where that money at? Yeah. Yeah, we want it. I won't say cheese. Yeah, we want our money, man. His handler is because, like you say, where does he make his money?

He's on the Urban Witness Protection Program. Really? Yeah, so, you know, when he goes into the fairs, he debriefs every month. You know, a lot of these cats is talking that they do this and that. the grid program, whatever the programs they aren't, they're hired informants. And so he made that, that was, the only reason I ever got in contact with Charleston White,

I didn't know him from a can of paint. Right. Mob James and him, they get into some little situation, and they get to beefing with each other. Right. Mob James is not a hell of a thinker. He don't know to really do word gymnastics. So in the, in the art,

argument that they had, Charleston White went on Vlad and told Charleston White, fuck him and his dead, and his dead brother, Bunchery. Right. So when he said that, the way Buncher was killed was political. And a lot of us from Compton, we hold to that. And so one day he got on and said, man, ain't on you, California niggas, ain't ever coming to Dallas. I'll kill so and so. So I got in contact with Melvin.

So Melvin, I got to go talk to the bro about, you know, ditch. I don't, what do you say, L.A.? I'm not in LA. I'm from Compton. Right. So I said, we need to go out and hollering him. So remember, like, sure. So we went out to Dallas, Texas, to Boss One-on-One, and interviewed him.

And he did the talking, because he won't dialogue with you. He want to do all the talking. And he ran off his own studio, you know. So I came to get a clarification and let him know about somebody he knew nothing about. Bunch around, man, bro, this dude here's, he got. the heart of Pyruz. And for you to disrespect him, then the same people that he honored through a book, he said,

fuck Nipsey Hustle, fuck Monster Cody, fuck Tuckie, fuck Raymond Washington. And it's like now that maybe some of the shock factor has worn off on him saying that kind of stuff, now he's going viral saying, fuck King Vaughn, fuck all these modern rappers who've died more recently. It's just so obvious that he's trying to run this whole little into the ground. Of course. I mean, like he said, he's a shock job. Yeah.

So you said, I just got him on it when he said the other day that he wasn't a snitch. Right. That when gangster told on some dead people, man, that's the most. No, we just had to. That's the most, that's the most gangster thing I ever said. And I'm just a character. And I talk, but I don't snitch on nobody. You said that two days ago. But I got 400 pages, 70 pages of you. in court testify. But also, doesn't him calling King Yeller's

parole officer, I mean, how is that not snitching? No more different. He, no more different than when he go to the parole healing,

but that's because we allow it on these shows. No more different than we were talking about parental discretion than what you watch. The same thing,

these hosts should be held accountable just as well. Right. There is just as well some busters too. Well, but it is interesting, to see so many people in rap,

and I mean, I'm part of the problem because we offered to have them on the show at one point. At which point, he made it clear, I don't fuck with non-racist white boys like Adam. He basically said, you clearly fuck with black people too much. He said, I like white boys who are racist. And I was like... That's what he said?

And I was like, okay, I mean, like... I guess, I guess, thank you. I'll take it. I guess, like, I feel like you just accurately described me, so I can't really be mad at you for it, whatever. But a lot of people in rap are hooked on the best... views that he brings in because I would argue that he's probably like objectively one of the worst people that is being platformed in this world saying things you can't defend but people

love the views so much and they keep having them on. We have to after Corona, the beginning of Corona, we become a introverted society. And everybody lives. I mean, my friend, everybody's on this. I'm not dealing with podcasts. Talking about on YouTube with shit. Yeah, YouTube. That's how my channel is.

When he told me yesterday, I was at my barbers and I told him I was going on 21 Jump Street. I'd be like, 20-1-2. Hey, let's get back. That's going to be good, though. Yeah, it's going to be good. Let's get back to Charleston so we could hear these testimonies. This is the beginning. And here we are, whereas Charleston White desires to admit to his role in the killing of Michael

Levy and to provide full, true, and accurate testimony concerning the roles played by do little A. Jackson and D. Jackson in the killing of Michael Levy. So this is him for to open up where they're saying what he's for to say is true. He's snitching, ratting on its own people. Because they even say on this one, they say, are you doing this for an exchange of testimony, basically for an agreement? Right. And what is saying?

Assigned agreement that he made. Exactly. And he said, no, I'm doing it for the love. No, he's doing it to stay out of the president. He said, may I publish this orally to the jury. Yeah. Yeah. So look.

You know what that mean. So he said the number one, white will be put, will appear before the 223 judicial district or the tearing court and will be stipulated to the truths of the allegations contained in the paragraph two and three. So in other words, you also have to remember when they start getting two, or the dude that took the 99 years, only one person was the gunman. You had four people. One got killed while out on bailing the chase in Oklahoma.

Duane Johnson. Duane Johnson. The Rock. So now, why is it Charleston White? He gets to get juvenile and rehabilitation, and he wasn't a gunman, but on these shows, he said he did the kill him. Then you had to want. He never said he did the kill him.

He said he handed Twan the gun and ordered him to shoot him. No, but I've seen another video that he said, I killed a white man. I got that. He said that. In fact, it was on Wack 100 where he wouldn't let talk, whack speaking. All he kept saying was, I killed a white man, I killed a white man, I killed a white man. So you're right, too. But in this one, he said that.

But at the end of the day, Charleston White is a rat. He's doing this, and we need to not give him the platform the need to be done. We have the information, and we ain't going to even show the. part at the beginning where Marb has analyzed this more than me because Marb is more of an expert when he looks at it and it's really we need to address this because

this could affect because it could affect other people's life but more importantly this could open the chance for us and others to address the juvenile fitness here and across America which we've done before. Somebody like you you were hanging out around them

I bet you wish that you knew about all this shit in advance no because that's not no that's not No, that's not the first time. Let me tell you what come along with this game when you're meeting people from out of town. They could be informants like I met another guy, but I never get involved in nothing they do. I met another guy, North Carolina kid.

But I can tell he's trying to be slick, get the connections for the drug. Call me, Melbourne, but I never called him. There wasn't no need to call him. I just introduced him. He ended up being wide all the time. Everybody's indicted behind him. So it go with the territory, but to get away from that, you just introduce them, you meet them.

That's what I do. But I don't get involved in nothing they do unless they're around me, the way I can control it. I don't want to meet nobody. I'm not doing that. So this isn't nothing new. So, you know, and like I say, the quickest remedy for these type of thing, let's go back to that $25,000. Yeah, please. Because say cheese.

All right, cool. You know, because we always, we always did. especially in the black community, I always tell people we only use two things to sorry, right? And we say sorry and we feel sorry, right? But in white America, there's three things to sorry, huh? When you get busted, you feel sorry, huh? When you go to the judge, you say sorry, huh? And then you have to pay a fine.

So we don't pay the fine. Restitution. You know what I'm saying? Restitution. So Charleston then put it out there. So he just did a podcast He made 30 grand a month off you stupid niggas You know

They pay him So you got 25 somewhere You know you live in Generally free I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that was a lie Yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a lie too Maybe one month Maybe there was like one good month

Okay for what Let me ask you this because I'm just curious I'm gonna have like 15 minutes left But What are your thoughts on WAC 100? You brought them up a little bit earlier I have a problem with somebody that is in the media. Like I say, we have enough problems in Compton.

Compton business. Pairoo business. If I have something in L.A., I deal with Melvin or G. out of L.A. Belize it. Pyru's don't get in L.A. business. Okay. This guy has never been to Compton without an escort. He's putting it on Pairoo.

But you never see any films of him in Handsome Damn. He ain't none of his hood parties. You never see him with no Piru's unless they're in Dubai or Jamaica. So why ain't you in your hood? It's something that he put off too. It's like Messy Marr or something like that. Yeah. I mean, he ain't got no free.

And he's involves himself in Piru business that he's not even privy to. So I have a problem with a dude He was just on the media last night And on clubhouse Was it clubhouse? Yeah, that's it. That's all he going to pop up on. And he says that he got 500 pages of testimony

about Charleston White being a snitch And he got 70 pages of him snitching And he'd been researching that for five months. Never happened. Awfully convenient, too. You know? So but people believe that. I got people from all over the United States

said, man, Wack 100, he run Piru? No, no, one person run Piru. We don't, we, we, we never been hooked up in a Rico act because you ain't got no gang leaders. I'm an oldest of Piru. I'm from Nightmare on Elm Street. I was born in 1950 in Compton, on Elm Street. We ran Freddie Cougar out of Compton, California.

Before it was a and I don't run nothing. Right. You feel what I'm saying? So when you have people with these, you know, false scenarios on who they are and what they did, we ought to talk about it. Right. You know, we just got to talk about it. So is Waka Pai Ruh yes or no?

I don't know. And we're getting ready to find that out. And on our next situation. I got somebody on him, just like we did to Charleston White. Oh, yeah, I heard about that. Because now, if you've been to prison, one thing about it, I'm getting ready to find out. If you're not on gang, file, you ain't a gang, remember. And let me interject something about it, because people had a misinterpretation at that time,

when we went to Texas, Marb and him, Marve had written out questions. Remember, you stayed up all night, prepared to ask Charleston White about things that he said. Right. But I had told E at the beginning, man, I don't even, they called me up there. And this was the interview where he walked out, right? He was going to interview when he ran out. Yeah. I ain't talking about Walt.

And then if you really want to know what happened, when he went outside, he kept fudging to go. Because if he'd leave in the attitude, the next time I see him, it ain't going to be no talking. because we didn't have no understanding of what's going on. So if people had a perception that we came there to, oh, buddy, no, Marv asked me to set it up, because at that time, Charleston White, if you look at prior to that, had been using my name, talking bad about people he met through me.

And then now later, people saying, well, Melvin, you brought him here. So I had to go out there when I waited a couple months to see who all was still. So that's why I went out there because he was talking about nipsy hustle, who I knew, Monster Cody, took he. But at one time, he was praising them. But everybody knows. The only reason you survive is because you met me.

So now you're going to sit and talk shit about the people you met through me. I got the step to the plate. But I had said, I'm not going to get involved because Marv said, I just want to ask the questions. Because Marv have a different approach as opposed to me. me when they come to resolutions. Marba would want me to talk it out and say stay out of trouble, but I want to eliminate the problem. Right.

So I tell you're the one keeping him calm? I guess so. Pretty much. Pretty much. Now I get the dynamical a bit more. Okay. So anyway, I tell E, let me just start with me first. Marble will tell you, I'm

sitting in the middle. I say start with me first so I can introduce them both and set the perimeters on guidelines on the language that is talking. In other words, I'd have said, no saying fuck this, fuck that. Because I had told Charleston out there, don't sit in front of me and say, fuck you or else we're going to fuck this. It can't happen with me sitting here.

So the first thing, instead of he coming to me, he going to be with his non-good ass, going to go and ask Charleston the question first. That's why Charleston started off. when in fact it should have started off with me explaining the rules. And that's why the situation developed like it is, because I had told him earlier, after I've seen him, Marv never even said a word to him until he got ready to get up there, and Marv stepped to him.

I'm such and such and introduced and stuff like that. But outside, I had hug Charleston White and went around his back to feel, did he have a wire? And when I come out, I went around this waist, see did he have a pistol. So I know he didn't have shit. But what kept me really off his ass it was a lady there that was probably a FBI or a police that he introduced as his wife. Other than that, he wouldn't have been able to walk out. Because you made that talk, we come from, do you think we're coming to play and we're from Texas? So he started it. I wasn't even going

to get on the stage. Wow. In fact, he tried to call me yesterday. Yesterday. I can call Charleston White right now and he's going to answer that phone. Should you do it until you're over with? No, I don't do it because I don't want Wait till this interview drops it. I don't know about it. But you know, I just keep it.

I'm a humble guy. I try to just man, do what's right and give back but lead by example. I'm not going to say I don't want to see nobody get hurt. Nobody. It ain't that serious. But don't sit up here and hinder other people that are trying to help a community

and you blackballing in these sucker-ass careless listeners running their mouth. He got up D'Otschapel arrested, who actually came to the section. He actually came in the 60s and took it back out there to Fort Worth. And he really was doing the work that Charleston White is talking about doing.

We're talking about actual youth in development, all of that shit to the point where he had a bunch of homeless kids and a whole entire house and everything like that where he was taking care of him. But yeah. That's crazy. There's a lot of problems out here. Anything we should touch.

Sean, before we wrap this up, I got a hit to a doctor's appointment momentarily, but anything else we want to throw out there? No, we're just trying to give a full picture of really who these people are and what to look for and know, you know, once you get a clean glass of water, you'll know what the dirty water is. And we're just trying to clear the water out, you know, and I just want to, I got another announcement. When I was, on the 28th, when Shug ran over Terry Carter, I was there. And people make statements are making statements right now that we're getting ready to clear up real quickly. Free Shug? No. No.

Going the other way with it. All right. Interesting. But they said he's getting out soon, maybe. They said he might be getting out soon. You know what? I heard. One of my partner was telling me that Jimmy Hinchman was getting out soon.

Really? Yeah. That's an in-demand interview right there. And how did that work out? They said the Supreme Court said they don't care what Trump did. He's not. Oh, he got free by Trump? No.

Wait, really? Who? Jimmy Hinchman. Yeah, just before Trump left. He got a pardon as well? He got pardoned. I didn't love it. I didn't know.

He heard that. pardoned he gave him a pardoned. Trump just got right about it. Yeah. Pardoned Harry O. Okay. And so he said, no way. So, you know, I wish the best for sure. Right. It looks bleak. For sure. I mean, it shouldn't because it was all that, it was actually a terrible accident. Really? It was I was there. And you think if it happened to a random person that they would have got off? It would most definitely. If they didn't have Shug's reputation? Most definitely. Or it's priors. See, that go back

to the three strikes law to where he probably I would say would have beat the car case because I got 75 years in Georgia and I know the laws when you use a vehicle as a weapon. You have to prove intent and I don't think intent would have been

proved that because up under the vehicle statutes you can run through the police could be chasing. You you can run through a stop up to post or something where they got it set up to stop you, and you might hit somebody, you're not going to get no real case because it wasn't intent. So I don't think, I think because of the other case that he had sitting, that made him where he would have got found out. No, actually what happened, when you talk about being a gangster, Shug and even a gangster,

but he didn't keep it 100. He ain't told on nobody. Everybody tell on him. And he took 28 years so somebody else wouldn't go to prison. Damn. That's real. Facts. You do what I'm saying?

Okay. Appreciate you guys so much for coming on here, for real. And I want to just say one message when you threw at the end about what I want to say. I just want to say to the youngsters to, oh, listening is learning and history is knowledge. And to the gangbangers, we always say don't set trips, set trends, man. That's right. To the 4-15 and the fish trap homies. stay up.

It's out of Dallas, Texas, and the shooter blocks out of North Carolina. That's real. Appreciate you guys. Sedi Nash, of course, sub to him on YouTube if you need some more content. Thank you for setting this up and everything. And thank we want to thank Setti Nash

because, like I would say, he's from the 60s. He didn't set a trip. He'd say, Mel, I can make this happen. And, you know, we don't acknowledge people. We always want to take credit. But I like to give knowledge to SETI for doing this, man. It's an honor and it's a pleasure for you to have us on here because we've been silent, but it's silenced because we've been working on that.

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