No Jumper - Michael Blackson on Impregnating his Sidechick, Kevin Hart Roast, Katt Williams Beef & More

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

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You're among fans. What are you doing, motherfucker? Here we go. What's going on, man? How you feeling? Good, man. We're rolling? What's you cooking up there?

Some peppment tea with lemon juice. Nice. And you ain't got no honey on here, man. You're on the budget or something, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No honey available at this time. Well, I don't know. I feel like you might be like the first guest who are like,

Cooked up for the... Everybody would drink liquor? What they'd be doing asking for? Uh, lean. What the hell can I fucking guess you'd be having, man? Like serious dude. Killers, drug dealers, etc. Serious?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had one of our regular hosts just went to jail for murder. Oh, that's why I saw that. Yeah, yeah. We don't think he did it, though. We think he was just there. Just happened to be there. He just pulled up to the liquor store,

a couple guys beating the shit out of somebody, possibly killing him. All of a sudden, he's locked up because he's in no junk. So they automatically assume he's like a mob boss. So they might make the same. He says cold hosts. They might make the same assumption about you.

Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. So we don't think he did it. You don't know your home boy? I mean, every time I've been around him, he just sat there and smoked weed and he was like a real chill guy. He's not a killer. Never gave me that vibe, but you know, anything's possible.

Has ever killed somebody before? Me? Or him. Him. As far as a killer? Well, you know what I'm not. You're not like a good guy, man. Yeah, but I could kill.

I could kill. I've thought about it, you know. Well, I'm sure all I've thought about. It's easier the second time. Is that a napkin? Yeah, exactly. Let me wipe this off, man. I want to, like.

Oh, you want to wipe out? I think you want to get him some napkin or something. Yeah, well, in the words of Tupac, I'm not a killer, but don't push me. You know? Okay. No, no, I'm sure anybody could be pushed. I mean, sometimes you look at, like, for instance, was there as kid that were just in court and, you know,

that killed their feet, Was it a rapper from Jacksonville that they murdered? Oh, you're talking about Fulio's killers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, the little kid, he seemed like he was a good kid. One of them, like, you know, his parents, he's from like a fortunate neighborhood, and his mom took him to Europe. And this, you know what I mean, looked like a killer.

And all of a sudden now, he's about to go to jail. I think that's the allure of the whole drill rapper thing, you know? I'm saying, yeah, bet, you know, it's sad when it just shows you that anybody could kill at any moment for whatever reason. Yeah, I mean. I think it's like a peer pressure thing. I think it's like... When you're a friggin' teenager or you're that young,

I think that there's a lot of social pressure, you know? It is. Trying to prove that you're tough. Exactly, yeah. I always hear that once you get past that like 18 to 21-year-old age range, that's tough. That's when dudes are liable to make terrible decisions. What's all your life away?

I'm a do-la. I'm not got that, right? I got that from that movie. Water boy. Water boy. Is this thing in you that make you feel like you're, you know, don't want me feel like you don't be bullied you want to feel tough I'm not sure I mean I don't find out what I'm gonna do like I'm the got that's what

it means I forget I heard that over the years yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's something and it happened at that age like 19 to like 22 you think you're tougher than you are you can't you know you can't look bad in front chicks you know you you know you try to look you don't look bad in front of your peer you're like a bitch yeah and I hold of you now? I'm old. But the thing about Africans, like me personally, I really don't know my age. Uh-huh. The internet might say 51, whatever might say, but do I really know my age? I don't. 51. That's what it says. We look great for 51. Thanks. That whole blog don't fact thing. I'm not really sure if it's real. I could be 39. Uh, only because I was born at home. I was born at home, and

where I'm from back in the 70s and 80s, most parents in Africa have the kids, we don't have, hospital is expensive. Okay. So you have your kids at home. And then you have them at home and nobody's there to write shit down. You don't think about it. So 10 years, we don't celebrate birthday every year. Those who celebrate birthday are like rich kids.

I feel like I as an African parent would probably still think like, hey, let's write down this birthday. All right, my mom had seven of us at that time. And she don't know nobody's birthday. Really? Don't know. It could be a year or all. It could be two years old.

Who knows? It's just the only time to be one. you worry about a birthday is when, okay, you're about to travel somewhere. Now you have to go and put something down on some paper. And then my God, one year with this thing born, shit, motherfucker. I remember I was

eating chicken that day, but I don't remember exactly what time. And a lot of time we don't motherfuck-no. That's a good thing about the iPhone, is that you wouldn't even have to write it down. You could just scroll back, find the birth. It was no iPhone in its 80s or 70s. So, unfortunately, I'm between 39 and 51.

But you're Liberian, right? I'm you know I rep all of ECOWAS ecuwas is economic communities of West African countries okay I'm ECOWAS guy meaning like you know the thing with Africa most part of Africa is I'm about where you're born it's all about where your parents are from okay you become you would choose any citizenship that you want you know if you have parents from Ghana and they go to Liberia and give birth to you yeah you born there but you're really gonna

name because that's where your parents are. Okay. Or, so I really don't claim, when I do interviews, I try not to claim any particular country. I claim all of West Africa. Okay.

You know, mostly, of course, Ghana and Liberia. I mean, even though I got my discipline in Nigeria, I was in Nigeria for about three years, and there's three years. You know, I was young, I was between age eight and 11, their three years really molded me to help me become who I am.

Okay. So because of that, I rep all those countries. Are we rolling already? Yeah, we've been rolling. No, but I have a particular fascination with Liberia because of the OG himself, General Butt Naked. Oh my God, what you know about General Butt Naked? Well, in like 2012, I watched the Vice documentary about him, and me and my group of friends were temporarily kind of obsessed with him because of all the tales about him.

There's a documentary coming out about him, I saw. Wow. Because they took a clip of me talking about him on the podcast, and they're using that in the marketing for this documentary. which I didn't give permission for. I don't care at all, but I was kind of fascinated about when I saw my face pop up on like an Instagram ad. Liberia, you know, and I try to encourage a lot of black Americans to go to Liberia. Because Liberia, first of all, when slaves were left free back in the 1890s, whatever it was,

about 5,000 of them were resided back in Liberia. Right. And then because of it from American descent, there were more educated. educated, they were smarter. Because of that, those guys where they weren't running the country back there. From 1890-something to 1980,

all those presidents were all from black American descent. They had names like Torbred and Johnson and stuff like that. And that all came from, you know, coming from the States. And those people didn't have a tribe. So they called them conquer people. All right? So the conquer people where they, you know, a lot of them were

like lighter complexion because they've been mixed, you know, whether the great and grandparents were raised by whites or whatever. They were mixed. So most of them were light complexion. You know, and over the years, it became brown on browner because they started mixing it with the regular Liberians. And I remember like in 1980, right? My 1980 as a little boy in Liberia, we lived on his farm.

And its farm belonged to, the president at that time was tall. Tarbert was the president. Also another black, Tarbbaugh, an American name, once again, there's a concoma man that his family originated from United States, from whatever amount of years ago. Okay. So Tarbert was the president, and Tarba had a son.

He had a few kids, but I remember Abie Tarbett, I met his particular son he had, and Abbe Tobu had a farm. When somebody somebody has a farm, it means usually it's a whole town. He has a whole town, and he had like a zoo there. zoo there he was there he was really you know he was he was he was he was he was he he was he he was he he owned that town that whole city was his all right um and um I remember uh my mom is an evangelist she still is she I mean she's 80 3-84 now you know but she was an evangelist and she preached the gospel and he took a liking to my mother

and say hey you know can you um stay in this town and like you know we really like uh we really like you and you'd be good for this town, whatever. You know, whether you're just an advisor. It's just something you could do to, you know, help this time become better people. And I remember after you told my mother that not too long, maybe a few years, few years might be long.

Mind you, I'm very little. So I would probably say about six months, maybe six months. It might be long, maybe six months later. But mother said God spoke to her and told her to her to her. And we never understood why because we know, it's a kid, you know, my mother, like I said, she was an evangelist. All my mother had been doing since where kids

was like preaching the gospel, going different places. We never stayed in one place for a long time. We kept moving around. And then he said, God spoke to us. He said, you should leave. And as soon as we left, a week later, there was a coup.

Right? A coup took place. That's when Samuel K. Doe and his crew killed the president. Right. Killed Taubberth. They made through that farm and killed A.B. found his son. Killed, murdered him.

Killed everybody. Anybody had anything to do anything. Right. You know, and just my mom just being a church woman of their town, they probably took her out too. And so these are the Africans from America who came and did this coup? We're talking about 80 years later. We're like 80 years later.

Oh, 80. Okay. We're about 80 years later. Got it. Because, I mean, I think those people came to America, came from the state back in the 1890s. Right. So we're talking about like 1980 right now.

Got it's about 80 years later. So no, no. So the locals, Samuel Kedo was a soldier. So the locals got at that point where I guess I don't know much of the history. I'm just saying from what I know. The locals got tired of the conquer people

and they went to take over. You know, and they murdered Talbot and his family, and I think they let the mother, their wives, they probably let the women go. For some reason, one thing about those coupes back home when it happened, thank God they don't happen as much as much now, because back then, too, what also caused coupes was did they have a time period for election?

A president goes in office, this motherfucker is there as long as he wants to be there. Unlike now where they all got these four years or five years or six years term, where if they, you know, they have to read, be re-voted back in. Because imagine your president for 10 years and the public's tired of you. Like, damn, my people won't want you no more. And when are you going to leave?

And you don't want to leave. They figure out you up there, getting rich and enjoying the goodness and having fun and everybody else is not doing well. And that's what else. That's not just in Liberia. That happened a lot of places, a lot of president, whenever the public or the people felt like

he wasn't good for the country anymore, if you don't step down, they'll take you out. Yeah, well, I always heard this like, Like, I'm sure it's like a giant oversumplication, but I heard that like Liberia, they basically like handed it over to some former American slaves and that then they essentially f***ed it up for the native Africans who had never had to go to America. You know, I don't know the whole thing on it, what's fucking up. I'm not sure what you want to call it. You know, I just knew, I'm not even sure how the relationship was with those 5,000 so up. black Americans came to like, I have no idea what happened or what, too much of the history.

I need to look more into it. I should really get really involved. Right. And look more into it. But it's in the past. I think, I think, you know, currently now, I mean, after that coup, you know, the locals took over, you know,

the local soldier guy took over and he stopped, and what happened? Let me see. This was like 1980. what happened. I think 10 years later, in the 89, 89, hey, and karma comes back. You know, karma comes back and I think Charles Taylor took him out. You know much about Charles Taylor? Uh-uh. How do you know about Butt-Naked, but you don't know about Charles? Charles. Charles was before Butt naked. Really? Okay, yeah. Yeah, but he said, but-naked,

he said, right? Well, okay, that's when I saw this documentary about him, which, for, like, the people out there who are wondering who the fuck is general butt-naked, he was, like, this famous Liberian African warlord who there was a lot of you know very clickbaitable things about him for instance like the fact that he would kind of brag about how he used to eat babies before he would go to war and all these other things that like really like that's why we became infatuated with him at that time was because of all these insane things that he claimed that he did that made you like feel well the connection I mean it made us interested him at the very least This is Jeremy.

Are you Jeffrey Dahmer related to? Who fuck this nigga I'm talking to? No, I am adamantly anti-eating babies, in fact. I think that that is really like the bare minimum as a society that we need to be opposed to. But, you know, I mean, I guess if he believed that at the time, I mean, he was raised in a society where maybe that was sort of normalized to some extent. I don't know. Yeah. So, Karma came back and Charles Taylor, once again, if he listened to the last names, you could give him.

Taylor sounds like, and I didn't know about, I didn't know Taylor was conquered. till like in the past 10 years or so I never thought about it. I was a kid. You know what I mean? So now I'm trying to like read as much on it as possible and it seemed like it was a revenge,

which I could be wrong. Don't get it wrong. Liberians, don't get mad. I don't know. I'm just learning this as I go because, mind you, I came to the States at 13 years old. So I really didn't know what all this thing was about.

I was just a kid. But now I'm doing the research. I'm like, okay, Samo Kiddow was a local soldier from, you know, from Liberia and, you know, he made his crew. sure Samuel Caddo did it killing himself or his right-hand man, whoever. That's still a mystery of who really took out Torbert. You know, but when fast forward to 89, 9, 10 years later, you know,

people felt like, okay, Samuel Kiddo is having too much fun, yada-di-ya, and what happened? Charles Taylor. As far as I know, Charles Taylor came and did a revenge on Talbot, you know, Tarbert. And then Charles Seller took over, I guess. And then I was like, that was the, is that one of, that was the first civil war was like running the time. Right. You know.

And so there's a dude who works for No Jumper who is from Liberia originally. His name is Poetic Flacco. You ever heard of him? No. I wonder if he ever made a video about you because he's basically just does these videos about sort of celebrity drama and everything like that. All right, okay, it's been a while. But, yeah, four years ago, he made a video called Michael Blackson and Kat Williams beef publicly over MLK.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. No, no, so it was, um, my doubt's four years now. But you know what me, me and Kat beef was goes way before that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Kat just, me and Kat B before that. So when I made a post and when Kat saw that post, you know, I ought to be jumping on this shit. Mic up.

Oh, okay. And then not too long after that, it was probably longer because it had been like 2000. It had been like 22, it was four years ago. Okay. Because in 22, end of 21, beginning of 22 is when I lost my best friend. So my best friend died. All that thing that, the internet coming after me died down immediately.

When I lost my best friend, all that went into the trash. Okay. So let me give you more talk about that. Let's talk about that for a little bit for a six second. So it was MLK and I'm shocked. Every MLK year, whatever day I give, a shout out to Molinth King for all the great things he's done. But I'm also a comic, so I got to like, you know,

I got to find some jokes. You got to roast them. I mean, I'm not about roasting, but I got to find something. I always find a committed part of everything, you know, and if anything, you know, whether it's good, bad, whatever. It's a comic, you got to do that if you want to stay relevant. And that's what's kept me relevant in my whole life. I talk about everything that happens every time.

So I shout up monthly thing for the MLK birthday. Shout out for the great thing she's done, yada, y'all. And then my next post is like, you know, all this stuff King went through with white people. The best would have to get over in white people with the white woman. Because I think if you could look in the history,

King had the white girl. Did you know that? Yeah. Okay. So I made that comment, right? and then Cat called me a cune

and you know and then of course then DL like I think looked at it and I made a post out of what Kat said about me so it became like a little cancer and started to spread

slowly and right before it really spread is when not too long my best friend died from COVID okay and it kind of killed the whole thing but me and Kat

beef goes way before that right maybe a year maybe a few months before that I did an interview with what is it Norriega what is it called Drink champs. The drink champs.

And I thought I was complimenting cat. You know, I was talking about comedians. And I said, I think the most lovable comedian on earth is Cat Williams. I don't give how much crack you, I think the thing is smoke. And then, boom, he just took that. Somebody told him, Mike, all your crackhead. But deep inside, I meant it as a compliment. Like, I'm like.

Click Bay will even get your friends, you know, these days. Like, your best friend will see the Click Bay and not bother to watch the clip. Exactly. Just get that part. Hey, cracket, cracky, crack. Now it's all cracky. Yeah. I'm like, I was, you are like the dopest comic because no matter what you do, people still

would love you. And that's all I meant. I meant it from the good part. I put the crack in there because I'm a comic for me. I got to make, I got to make you laugh somehow, some way. Crackhead is a funny word. Just a funny word. I'm not going to, I'm not obviously capable of crack.

Yeah. That K sound. The K sound is the funniest sound. I recently heard somebody say that and I looked it up and I guess it's true. Cracket just sounds funny. Crack had has multiple k-sons. Even when it happened, when he became a problem with beef, and I told Norriga, when Norig is like,

yo, what's this thing you and cat beefing about? I said, it happened on your show. He said, when did it happen? He didn't even understand that became a problem. Right. He didn't even see it in it when I said it. Nobody saw that. But Cal Williams is a weird one.

He claims he's never done drugs, but then if you actually observe his life over the years, there's so many different instances that lead you to believe he must have been on drugs. Of course. Right. But I never saw it, so I can't go always claiming it. Yeah.

You know, I mean, yeah, we had this, there was a time between like 20, 2010 and 2012 where he was like performing. And he used to go, he used to start doing a bunch of crazy things on stage. People boom, went their money back. In fact, I had a friend of mine booked them. And I was a middleman in his booking. You know, he said, hey, man, try to get me cat. And I knew his, his manager at the time. I forgot the lady's name.

And I called them, you know, this was like 2012. And we actually booked like three shows, paying him like $100,000 a show. And he took the kicks right away. One was in his hometown. Well, outside his hometown, he's from Dayton, Ohio. One was happening in Cincinnati. And I remember that show, because they put me on the show as well. I was the feature for the show.

I was the guy that went away before him. I mean, I went up there, did my thing 30 minutes. And then he goes up, you know, cracks. I guess those crowd didn't really know what he was going through at that time. Because there was stuff on the Internet that he was like, you know, he's not giving a good show. There's something going on with this guy at this moment. Okay.

And I remember he was going to stay for a few minutes later. He ain't talking about much, nothing at all. And he just pacing back and forth and they booing him. They didn't want to fight him. They wanted that money back. It was bad. Wow. You know, and that was Cincinnati.

So I think my bed was two shows that was booked. Two or three. I know the next one, though, was a few months later in Birmingham, Alabama. And by the time, and when we did that show, for some reason he was almost he was getting back to normal it wasn't as bad and I was like okay thank god I'm not sure what that was but to be sorry man I'll have love for this guy you know what I'm saying and then um so we're going fast forward to like the whole thing with the cracky thing now me and him has this beef you know and then um then we happen to be on wild and out at the same time

uh okay right we're on wild and out and you hadn't had any chance to speak about it I mean The thing about it, at that time, the public don't really know. Right. You know, it's just more like an inside beef. If you're not online every day, reading comments, you're not going to know. As far as I know, look, and while I

is a small audience, you know, TV owners are like 2, 300 people. And then the cast members, you know, it's us. I'm like, between the cast members and us, nobody knows me and this guy's beefing. You know what I mean? So I'm going to, like, just be chill like nothing happened.

But all his roast towards me was, like, career roast. Like, you know what I mean? I'm making jokes about him. Like you're a loser. You know, I became a star. You did it, you did it, you did it. If he was going to think of the thing

that would probably be the most likely to hurt your feelings, that's probably what he would go with. So you took it personal. Is that the word to use? No, I was expecting more like, do where everybody is doing. Make fun of how black Michael Blackson is.

You know what I mean? Or how you African, you've been African for 30 years, we ain't going to become American. But saying you're unsuccessful is like kind of, It's designed to get at you. It is designed to get at you. But am I unsuccessful?

Not from what I could tell. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, to me, I always tell people, so it didn't really bother me. I just knew that he was more, it was more of a jab. It wasn't fun. When you know, while or not it should be fun. It's not like the Kevin Hart roast where you up there doing a lot. These motherfuckers going hard.

Right. You know what I mean? But wild and not should be more like fun, where everybody, a joke, about to get not jokes that's like you know you could tell the some of the of the catma guy this guy's doing too much you know but I still try to brush it off I keep I try to keep my jokes on his height and him look like a pimp and whatever whatever whatever try keep it physical you know but this guy was going at it so I'm

like I he's probably so I'm saying and don't get it wrong I also try not to go career with him I could have easily went career with him too I mean we you know he fell off as well at that particular around that moment but I could have went career roast but I felt a little guilty because I felt like you know that whole cracker thing maybe I could use a better word to describe him so because of the slight guilt that I felt I try to still keep it cool man he wasn't keeping it cool right all right niggas really pissed so I know I'm like and we're not in me when this happened we're still like in our 40s though we are like we're not kids we're grown so you know I'm like so when we was done filming and I was actually there

my lady at that time and she was like you know just go knock his door and say something to him i'm like listen for the way this guy's acting and the way he's you know ego he has i'm wasting my time i'm not she said mike go go knock his door and just have a talk with him i trust me sometimes you know people i mean i work with cat from you know he did it the friday after next we did the movie we did together was called repo that was like our first time working together he's a movie with mastipy i don't Have you ever seen repo? I saw like a trailer when I was researching for this. Yeah.

Okay, it's a DVD movie. Oh, it's like it's a whole classic. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the freaking streets love that fucking movie. And you would think that when you work together on a movie with somebody and you spend all this time together that that would form enough of a bond that your relationship would be a little bit more durable, right? Not even just that.

Just being on the road, them two days, we worked together, you know. Prior to that, comedians, we have mutual respect for each other because we know this is the hardest gig and entertainment. So when somebody make it, you respect them, you know, because it's hard. I mean, there's so many guys that we all started same time, and these guys all fell off and then homeless and broke with nothing. But just still surviving this business without giving up your booty, it's even hard, you know what I mean?

So I know. Metaphorically. Whatever they'd call it. Without Luminati sucking your d'I, or you playing with his boss, whatever, whoever Luminati is. I'm not sure who this thing it is, but I'm sure it's a guy dressing red somewhere with God out and he just have to go visit him, whatever.

I'm saying, by making it without those things and Kat made it without that. I did without it, you know, and becoming successful entertainers that we are. Till today, we're talking about we've been doing stand-up since we're like 19, 20 years old. Right. You know, we're talking about 30 years of doing jokes

and we're still making a living. So because of that, we have this mutual respect for each other And that should just be enough to like, you know, to show each other respect. You know, to not take things personal. Like, I'm the type, man, can't know. Besides the whole cat thing, can't nobody.

I can't record nothing else. You know, and sometimes you might, you know, have some kind of do a show, somebody might hear something and you talk and you squash it right out, man. We have relationship with every comic. Yeah. That's how it should be, you know.

What are you talking about? Just the urine cat beef. Okay. Yeah, yeah, so. You knocked on his door. I knocked on his door. I didn't want to. Trust me.

I'm like, I knew I was wasting my time. So I decided to knock on his trailer in between shows and while and now. His fat, greasy security guy comes to the door. This guy probably hasn't. He probably, like, two sandwiches away from, like, a stroke. You know what I mean? This guy ain't work out. He probably, this guy probably goes to the gym just to pick somebody up and take him home.

Okay. Right? So he comes to the door, breathing like he needs a sandwich. And then I'm like, hey, you know, I want to talk to Kat. So he said, okay, one second. He goes back in there. He comes back, Cat, I don't want to talk to you.

And that's it. And they've been like that. And then, but, and, but we'll go back. And then I think I made another post, another peaceful post. And sometimes peace ain't, I made another peaceful post, and Kat reposted it. I'm like, okay, we're cool, right? I'm thinking, okay, that, you know, and we're good.

And then he goes on fucking, Shannon Sharp and then I'm back in there again. You were part of like the biggest comedy podcast, maybe ever, like 50, 60 million views, something like that. Yeah, yeah. My name came up again, blah. I guess we'd be a shrewd nigger. Yeah, yeah.

So don't you hate that, though, when you try to do the humble thing and apologize or come show affection, show love, and they're not receptive to it? And you're just like, damn, how am I going to try to be the mature one and you're just stuck on it? And then with that happening, like, you know what? But don't get it wrong at the same time. beef sales yeah beef sell

whether there's comedy where there's rap but at long as you don't get it all turns to the two-buck biggie stuff where people lose lives and whatever

there's nothing wrong with beef but you feel like beef sells in comedy as well because in hip-hop for sure beef is like a marketing

strategy and I feel like comedy and hip-hop are like similar in that way where there is so much animosity

between different personalities but then in hip-hop there's the precedent of violence and then meanwhile in comedy that has almost never been the case historically.

Yeah, but beefs. All right, let's go to beefs, okay, and comedy beefs. Yeah. Prior to Kat Shannon Sharp interview, he probably wasn't selling as much. After he went on that podcast and these clown about five, six headliners, he started to sell out again.

Beef sales. Chris, why I get slapped, what happened? We anticipated his special. Beef sales. at one point I even had beef with Cabin Hart and Cab beef for a while and even with squash it it didn't mean

did it feel real I don't know but whatever it is when I was beefing with Cab we stole more tickets but people don't know what you're going to say about this little motherfucker so beef always sells and whether is that reason why some people don't want to like end beefs because I'm like

all right what damn now that Cat and Cab had this fake fucking makeup on Netflix, right? You saw it, right? Yeah. Is that going to stop Cap from talking about Cab anymore? How does that feel? Did they even feel real?

Right. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of day, beef sells, and especially with black people. I don't know why it is, why it's like that. I'm not sure it's a black thing. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of beef within, like, the white world as well. If you look at tech CEOs, you got like Sam Altman and Elon Musk go into war

with each other and everything like that. But I feel like it quite often doesn't necessarily become entertainment to the audience. Like the fan base is not as excited about it. But I mean, even like my wife is a massive Taylor Swift fan, which has kind of resulted in me becoming a Taylor Swift fan too. And it's like her animosity towards her ex-boyfriends or rumored beefs with other female singers and stuff. Like even for white women who are kind of like on the opposite end of what we would expect to be so interested in beef, like they're directly tied into the shit as well. Like when people can find it, that's, you know, it's quite often the hook that will get people out of their seats. You know, I think sometimes too, if entertainers were cool enough to hate, man, me with these guys private lead, let's privately squash our beef. They're like publicly being beef.

to sell tickets, you know what I mean? If they could, I mean, I'm not sure do any of them do that or not to just keep their money coming. To do like a live show together? I've seen it in the class, but very rarely. No, not alive, no. Like, if you have real beef with someone,

you call them directly, meet them at the house alone, you know what I mean? That's quiet or whatever. But, you know, if I'll keep selling, let's just keep it peaceful. Yeah. But let's still, like, we've got this beef going on. It's possible, but I haven't really seen it

firsthand. I mean, I remember all the way back the diplomats, Jim Jones and Cameron, it was rumored in, I think, I'm going to say maybe like 2000. Who did the beef and went? So around like 2008, Cameron said that at one point Jim Jones came to him and said, hey, let's fake a beef for publicity and attention. And Cameron was like, what the fuck? Because of 2008, this is a long time. 20 years ago, people weren't necessarily thinking about beef in the way that we're talking about it, where it's a promotional mechanism. And that always kind of stood out to me as the first time that I ever heard.

Considered maybe these beefs are not always real. Because somebody like 50 Cent, I mean, he beefs in a bloodthirsty manner. Like, he wants to ruin your career for life. He never wants you to do well again. You know, to me with him, it seems 100% real. It had to be. That's why, what I was saying, I went at people that had real beef already. Not just two motherfuckers when I'm like, hey, oh, man, let's pretend we've got a beef.

Right. I mean, if real beef is there already, you know. But, you know, to my good friend, 50, I mean, yeah, he's been beefing ditty for a long time. But, I mean, now I guess we see why. True. To me, Youngbuck is the most extreme example because Youngbuck is not a ditty who's like a billionaire. He's like a guy who realistically is kind of probably paycheck to paycheck. He's not exactly killing it.

And 50 has just over and over and over throughout the years just done whatever he possibly could do to, make sure that his career did not make any kind of comeback because he felt like Young Buck was disloyal to him in the early stages of his career. And on one hand, I understand it. You know, this is a person that you essentially made famous and now you want to make sure that you can't really capitalize on the momentum that you gave him by co-signing him. But, I mean, at a certain point when it's 20 years later, it's kind of just shocking to me to see the way the 50, like, holds on to that.

I respect it. Yeah. And there's a sad part about it where a lot of time beef is always. It's within the team. Always, yeah. That's the bad part, man. Like, you know, this person I helped put on one day is going to turn against me.

It's kind of like a marriage and a divorce, I guess, you know? Yeah, I mean, it's... A thin line between love and hate once you switch over is what it is. Okay, let me ask you about that Kevin Hart roast, though, because it feels like because of the enormity of it, because of the facts that it was stream live on Netflix, that it was like three hours live on cut, because of the fact that Kevin Hart is such a giant star,

It felt like so many people who don't normally concern themselves with comedy were kind of, it felt the desire to weigh in on this. In particular, the black community who were very, very offended by some of the things that were said about George Floyd in particular. When you see that situation playing out, why do you think that this sort of became kind of like an inflection point where a lot of like non-comedy fans are being forced to reckon with how offensive, a lot of things that are said in comedy. particularly in roasts are? What's my guy? What's the guy name again? Fuck, the guy that said a joke. Who's the guy?

Tony Henscliffe? Tony, Tony, Tony. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tony's a great roaster. I did a roast for him. Me, at the Snoop roast. We had a snoop roast. And he's landed in this sort of situation many times.

Many times he has. I think because we, you know, I mean, if he watched the show, without that joke, he probably had got to stand up because he's just that good at roasting. Right. He did not need that. He didn't need that. a joke. It wasn't even like, I mean, there was nothing too clever about it or funny about it.

And he was, he was, he was a standing old without it. He would probably, but why did he say it? He said it because it would create a controversy. You got a special coming out. You want to put a talk about him. Yeah. You know, and don't get it wrong. A few racist people, because every, you know, there's a racist memory, a few racist people, of course, appreciated a joke, you know. And so, hey, fan base is fan base. So he did it for whatever purpose he was trying to accomplish. He accomplished it, you know, because not everybody's talking about him. Like I said, it was an unnecessary material.

Secondly, you know, my opinion on the Rose, I mean, I was invited to the Rose, but I was working anyway. I had a show booked in Chicago. It was Mother's Day. If I wasn't working, I probably would have showed up and went in person, you know. I mean, I was invited to be on a panel or nothing. for whatever reason. I think when you're doing roast like that, it's great to have Star,

because it's Netflix, it's Star-studded, and you want to have as many names as possible. But, you know, a lot of those people are independent, you know, Kevin personally. You know, like, who knew Naeem might know him a little bit, even though Naim, you know, met him at the hype, almost the hype of his career, you know.

Spank was from Philly. I'm surprised like, you know, they didn't allow a spank. You got to have guys that really know this guy personally. Like me, Kev, and three other comics, two other comics were all arrested together in one time. We all got locked up and spent over like a few hours in jail. And what was that for? For some dumb shit. Like nothing that we in Kev did.

So we, um, 1999. We knew comics, right? We are new comics traveling from Philly to New York. to go do a show. Okay? We all met up. We all broke. You know, I'm driving, this time I'm driving,

um, 99. I had, um, a 90, 2-4 Torres. Kevin had no fucking car in my time. Torey had a piece of shit.

That's the other comic. And then another guy, and then the only guy that had a nice car with this one guy named Buck Wilde. He's, local Philly comic. Buck is like real big with like anything, everything scamming. I mean, he has

counterfeit money, fake jewelry. This guy once sold me a fake Rolex. I didn't know any better. He saw me a fake Rolex. Help me on a payment plan on a fake Rolex. Wow. Yeah, that's Buck, if you're listening to this, I'll fuck you again. Right? So we all on our way to New York,

we all decide to meet in one place in Philly, park our car and hop into one car. happened to the most reliable car got it. The guy with the most reliable car was Buck. Buck had like a this is 1999. He probably had him like a 96th

Nissan maximum. You know what I mean? I'm sure he sold a bunch of fake Rolex to get this car. So we all happened in his car and unfortunately Buck being so fraudulent this guy had, and we didn't know

we found out when we got pulled over by the state trooper New Jersey State Trooper. This guy had a license plate that belonged to another car. Oh. So what happened back in the 90s? And I was, I came in, like I haven't done it, but I did as well.

Where if you get a lot of parking tickets on your car, you report the license plate stolen, you get a new plate. Just that simple. You start fresh, you know. So Buck must have had a plate that somebody must have reported stolen. Like somebody probably got a lot of tickets, got rid of that plate,

and Buck took that license plate and put on his car. So now if the cops, it's a statue of following you and then read a license plate, first thing that comes up is stolen property. So they think that whole car is stolen. That's exactly what happened. So here we're all about the drive. We all made up at one place in Philly, downtown Philly.

We leave our cars there. We'll hop into this Nexon Maximum. you know and buck obviously you know he don't want to drive because he know his shit ain't together his license in together his license players together so I'm the volunteer dumb ass to drive this car

so we're on the turnpike very close we're like Newark New Jersey like exit 13 on the turnpike we write almost in New York about to go do the show for a fellow comedian in Brooklyn Mike Brooklyn booked us on a Tuesday night you know me

Buck to Ray this this particular night he has all the Philly guys on the show tonight. So here we are on our way to go pick up this $100 each, because I was all going to pay was $100 each. All of a sudden, I see a state trooper behind me. I get nervous. Mind you, I'll be in America 10 years or so. You know, cops just scares me for some reason.

I live in the hood. I live in the southwest Philly hood. And when we see a police, it's just never good. So I see police ma'ami, I'm nervous. I'm like, mind you, speed limit is probably 60. I'm probably like now slow down to like 55. So now I'm looking suspicious. And then all of a sudden, in the state you put you started,

read a license plate. Next thing you know, light comes on. I'm like, oh my God, what the hell? What's going on? Pull over. Pull us out. Pull out with guns. Like get out the car.

Guns pulled out on us. All four of us. driver put your hands up walk backwards i've never had this problem i never i've never been into this situation before i don't even know which direction to go they're like might you're gonna f***er and get shot you know i'm gonna make a long story sure we all end up on the floor we like you know buck in the meantime has like counterfeit money

in his pocket he's like throwing it away on the side the police state trooper saw like hey i think you drop your money get that shit right back to this motherfucker right he's trying to get rid of counterfeit money So, where you guys going? There's a stolen property. Where are you going? I said, I'm going to New York

to do a show, please. I'm a comedian. I have my head shots in the trunk, you know, pleading my case. And Kevin is laughing his ass off, right? Because I'm talking this African accent.

And I'm pleading my case and I'm a comedian, you know, have head shots. Yeah. He's just cracking the fuck up. Non-stop. This little midget, motherfuckerher,

laughing his ass off on the floor, right? Right. While I'm going through fucking, I might get deported, the motherfucker. I don't know what's going on. I'm driving. They said, whose car is it? Before they even put us over, Buck said, listen, if they asked you who car it is, tell them you don't know.

I said, Motherfielka, what do you mean? They said, who cars? I'm saying, this motherfucker's car. Buck, wow, okay? Right? Right. So, make a long, so sure, we all end up in a holding cell in Newark. And I guess they realized it was, you know, the car not still needs a license plate, whatever it is. Here we're on the holding cell.

Buck is still nervous. So this guy still discounted fit money in his pocket. He's afraid. He's about to get a search. Now he's like chewing the money and spitting in the damn toilet. And his mouth is turning green. He's asking us to like

chew some money with him. I'm like, look, motherfucker. I'm not hungry. I'm not chewing a fucking money. Right? So, Mickey Loans to be sure. We end up going home. They drop us up at the train station

at like four in the morning. We missed the gig. Like, completely missed a gig. We ain't had cell phones to call ahead. it was going on. We might have had our cell phone. Who knows?

I don't remember. Whatever it is, Brooklyn Mike was pissed. We didn't make it to work that night. And the funny thing about it, the day that we had a court date to come to court and clear this up. The day that it happened to give me a court date

was the same day that I had to come to L.A. to do my audition for the movie next Friday. Oh, wow. So I remember me and Kav, the only motherfuckers that decided we were going to record. To Ray and Buck, I don't know why this decided

you got things to do. They ain't coming. So me and Katz ran at a car at the Philly airport, hopped in the car, drove that morning to court. At 9 a.m. was done about 10 a.m., 10, 11 a.m. We made it back in Philly by 1 p.m. for me to catch a 150 p.m. flight to make it to my audition. Right.

You know, so things like that. You have to get people that really know Kav. Yeah. to find committed part in the way the guy got arrested, how he worked at Fort Lockup. Like, we know him, we watch him grew up. Like, I was doing comedy maybe two, three years before him. You know, he came right afterwards, you know, after us.

He's like, after me. So we saw him grow up. We saw him working and selling sneakers and stuff like that. I think a lot of times you want to get a real good moment roast, go get motherfuckers that really know this motherfucker. It makes it even more fun. I feel like one of the prevailing sentiments from people sort of outside of comedy is that Kev is that he really kind of like

failed the black community by allowing a white comic to make jokes like that in his face without reacting and I feel like that they're kind of like fundamentally misunderstanding how the comedy world works because I can't think of a worse look for Kev as a comedian than if he had like visibly been offended in that moment if he if he had stood up and and clearly been disgusted. I feel like a lot of people who aren't really fans of comedy think that that would have won him points or that would have been a good look.

I feel like in comedy, that would have been frowned upon so much. You would have been viewed as a diva who couldn't take a joke. Like, do you think he should have done anything in that moment? In that moment, it's kind of hard. You can't, it's hard as a comic. Right. But let's, especially him being a comic as well. Yeah.

But let's go, let's go to the time Brady bros. The one in the rules that gave them, was Tom said, y'all cannot talk about Robert Kraft and that whole massage situation. Okay. When, what's the boyhead guy named? They always roast. It does every roast.

Jeff Ross? Jeff Ross. Yeah. When Jeff was doing a joke about crap, what happened? Did they edit it out? No, no, no. Do you know what happened? I forget.

Tom Brady got up and said, don't say that shit again. Wow. Right? Because he's not a comic. He's a football guy. Right. I'm going to tackle, you motherfucker.

I worry, you had his rules. Don't say, that. Did they make rules on what not to talk about? Who knows? I think the only thing Kev could have done to save himself in the black community when he did the breakfast club interview, hey, listen, I'm sorry this guy said this, you know, I wish he never said it. It wasn't a great joke. And when I see him, I'm going to let him know how I felt about it. And I also made sure that it was edited out of the show after it went live. Because after it went live, they edited a few things It did.

Yes. Interesting. But that one was not edited. So that, he could have saved himself that way. Interesting. You know what I mean? Because it was really out of his control. Right.

But that's the only thing he could have done afterwards. You started to say, like, he knew it was comedy, is this and that. Yeah, it was comedy, but that was not comedy. Right. That particular thing that happened wasn't comedy. Yeah. So he could have, he could have did that. He went fine.

Yeah, it feels like the more offensive of the subject matter, the more important it is, that the joke be undeniably hilarious. Like, same deal when they made the joke about the lady whose husband killed himself, even though that was like 20, 30 years ago or whatever, it's still like, even for me as somebody who, you know, engages with a fair amount of comedy, still really stood out to me of like, wow, like that just really feels like a fucked up line to cross.

But I feel like once you get all these comics in the same room, like that's just understood that we are here to cross as many lines. lines as possible. Yeah, but at least it was about her husband. She's on a roast. Choice floor had nothing to do with the show. Exactly, yeah. Like his brother was there.

He was part of the roast. You know what I mean? And it'd be one thing if it was a black comic making that joke. But it being a white... I know. We've been a white guy that definitely made it bad. Yeah. But I don't think a smart black comic would make that joke

because he'll probably lose his black audience. A white guy saying that, he's not going to lose his white audience. Right. I mean, there's an issue of, like, like what is too soon. And I guess the George Floyd thing was like six years ago. So I guess now, like I don't think you would have heard that joke in 2022. Yeah, probably.

Now they feel like there's a little bit more room for them to be able to do it. The same way like the Holocaust was obviously horrific. It feels like World War II and the Holocaust is, you know, generally up for grabs when it comes to comedy, right? I don't know much about it. Anything me, I try to stay with death. I just don't, I don't do death jokes, man. I'm so scared.

I just feel like I'm, you know, that somehow, some way, it's going to come back on me. If I do anything has to do with death. Right. You know, I just can't. Yeah. Kids.

It was like a big thing for me that I feel like I just, no matter how bad we're beefing, I don't really want to make jokes about your kid. Or even like Jay-Z is kind of like, in that new freestyle he did at the Roots Pick Dick, he's kind of gently poking at it. Nicki Minaj about one of her kids allegedly. Did she they really?

Yeah, but like because one of her kids I was like a learning disability apparently. To me that's just like, wow. Also said that Jay-Z kids. Which I didn't know this at the time, but I said something about how offensive that was and I had somebody said to me like, hey, there's a reason why these kids are never on camera.

Like the older one, I think she's like 18, she's on camera. They'll walk the runway with her. We haven't seen the boys. Yeah. I don't want to make light of it, but I guess when Kanye said that, it's not like he was just making something up with a thin air. You got to know them personally.

I mean, obviously he does. Yeah. Yeah, man, so it is what it is. Definitely. But do you think, like, would you say overall that you would side more with, like, the people who are offended by it or the people, or the people who are more free speech absolutists who think that everything should be up for grabs and comedy?

Me personally, I'm not, I don't do, I'm not, I'm not making fun of nobody's dead family members or whatever. George Floyd was not issued him in Mexico, George Floyd family was not on the roast. Right. You just picked somebody out of the blue and you're like, you know, because he knew that this person, you know, happening the whole thing.

I don't know. I always sighed for those who felt that he was wrong. And it was, it wasn't, it was unnecessary. Right. Definitely. But, you know, he did it for his personal reasons. It wasn't, it wasn't.

And did he write himself? Did the writer give it to him? I mean, if the writer, just gave me Joe, you could reject certain jokes. But, you know, Hickliff, that's what he does. It goes hard. Yeah, because, I mean, I think, like, too, a lot of non-comics or people who aren't, like, terribly familiar with this,

they think that people are just kind of cooking up jokes on the spot. And I actually, because it was kind of during the whole Netflix comedy's a joke festival thing, and I had actually gone to a show the night before the roast, which was, like, Andrew Schultz and Jelly Roll, where, like, the headline. and Tony Henscliffe came out and a bunch of other people who were on the roast. And actually it came off to me. It was kind of lazy, but they were like reading their jokes. Oh, yeah, they were trying them out.

For the roast. They were reading them at the show the night before. And so I had a little bit of a sneak preview of that. And a lot of those jokes were like the same ones that made it into it. And for me, I feel like that kind of killed at least a little bit of the shock because I kind of... For you? Yeah, I already heard them like the night before. And so I was a little bit surprised.

Was a Joy Flood joke in it? I think it was. I think it was. You don't remember? There was a lot of deeply offensive jokes that I was like kind of shocked by, but, you know, it felt like a different environment because it was like mostly white colors. I'm almost thinking if it was in that joke while he was trying on his material. I was hoping somebody's like, man, you sure you want to do that joke?

Right. But like a jelly roll Andrew Schultz crowd is going to be like the whitest crowd you could probably ever get. So it's not going to be the crowd that would be offended by that. But you know how white people are when they hear a joke that they know is racist, which is like you're laughing but you're also kind of Jesus Christ hope nobody knows I just laughed at that one dude um so I mean it was a little bit of a different feel in that venue I think yeah um so okay when we were going to do we were supposed to do this interview maybe six months ago and then you ended up canceling at the

last minute because you were having a little bit of a PR debacle because you I guess impregnated a friend of yours that was outside of your primary relationship And you maybe didn't want to confront that at the time? Like what, what can we say with this? Yeah, it was, well, you know what? I guess when the news came out, you know, the internet was, you know, on my ass about it, you know. So I didn't, I wasn't feeling it was the right moment. I need sometimes things happen.

You need things to calm down a little bit, you know, fix your problems before you go talk about it instead of doing it in a moment. Right, because you put out a statement about it, which you got some shit for because people felt like your statement was sort of comedic in nature. It wasn't serious enough. I mean, yeah, like I said, man, I'm a comic. So even doing a hard time, I still try to throw a little comedy in there. Is it comedy necessary every time?

Probably not. But goodness, what am I if I can't throw a joke in there somehow or some way? But yeah, I mean, that situation is fixed now. I mean, the kids are like, Mikey is about a turn a year old and like next week and the other one is like 10 months old. So, you know, things are calm now, you know. And then I'm, I mean, I guess open to talk about things now.

Okay. So your primary girlfriend is okay with this situation now? She's understanding about it because I gotta say, I feel like my wife would be able to forgive me to a certain extent for cheating. I feel like she would probably not be able to forgive me if I impregnated another woman. I feel like that would cross a big line in her mind. You know, with me, my relationship with my fiancé

from the door, from day one has been honesty, you know. And she, I mean, and she knows that I, you know, I'm allowed to go out and play occasionally. and longer as, you know, keep it safe. Right. Condoms, which that sounds horrible. I don't know how you could possibly do that. And the thing about condoms too, man, after like, after three, couple of years of sleeping with somebody is going to come off.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Really after night one for me, it's the things, even night one is a stretch. It's hard for me to fathom. But yeah, so eventually it's going to come off. And because of that, things happen, you know. You know, so she couldn't get too mad because she knew that I was allowed to do certain things. I mean, she was mad that I had a whole baby, you know, and I can understand what she was going through with that.

You know, but it's not like I was a dishonest person. I felt like I was honest from the beginning of this whole thing. So I didn't feel too much of her cared, you know, because Mike has been doing his thing for the, you know, since I became single. And I was like, you know, even though I was in a relationship with her, she said, I told us, Listen, if I'm going to be this relationship with us, I need to be free. Otherwise, I can't be in a relationship. And she was okay with it. She was going to be okay with me, you know, impregnant somebody, you know.

But she's definitely was a bigger person. She was very mature and very understanding. And she, you know, she accept the other baby and loves it like it's her own. You know, I said, I got to give shout out to her. And, I mean, now the babies are like, you know, baby form. Like one is about to be a year. The other one is 10 months. It's like they both put a smile on my face.

Even when I scare you and everything, I make sure I FaceTime them at least every other day if I'm not around. You know, and baby just bring new life to you, man. Yeah, it's amazing. You have any kids? Yeah, five-year-old daughter.

Oh, okay. Just one. Yeah, a lot of my guys, you know, like I'm a boy maker, you know, and my guy's like, damn, how you make a boy? I mean, I just, I don't know. How many kids you go at this point?

Let me see, what state is? California. Okay, I got one here. Little babies in Arizona and I got twin boys in Pittsburgh. I got 19 years old and I got the 27-year-old son. So all boys?

Oh, boys. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So all boys and like I'm a boy make it. So I'm like, damn, man, how you guys make girls? You have to like bend a fish over like on a balcony and like, you know,

twist the leg to the left side? Yeah. Like, how you make girls? What did you do different? You like, did you like... That was my first kid and... What did you do and... Did you like she got on top and she went up the roof and jumped on your do?

That's something like what happened? I was just coming in her and it just happened. Was you, was she on top or you was on top? I don't remember like the specific. Did she come first or you came from? Probably me. Usually it would be me. So if you come first and it was done.

I'm the only one to guarantee come every time we have sex. With her, it's a little bit up in the air, you know? What do you do? Every woman dunk, is your girl, your lady, a wife? I mean, I'm going to be on your wife business. Is she a cumber? Is she a cumber? Some of the time.

Okay, like... Not always. You know, some girls, they come, you know, you fucking for two minutes, they come. Some girls, they require the vibrator, and, you know, they want to do the DJ set while you're banging her and shit like that. No, no, no, but, like, you know,

with me, it's different, like, you know, riders are coming. I'm a little business out there, but she has come every time we have sex, so she comes first, then and I come second. Right. You know, and I got, you know, the other, like, other people is like,

they don't care if they come. just want to satisfy you or whatever. Or, of course, women are much harder to come. Yeah. You know, I used to date years ago, eight years ago when I did it someone, like, she came more from oral. So my fucking mob was like numb every fucking day. Really?

You know, because I had to make sure she come. I'm very selfless when it comes to sex. Okay. Like, if you're a comer, I got to make sure you come. Because if you come and I go and then without coming, and then where are we going? Right. I've never been in a relationship with a woman who felt like she had to come. every time.

Nah. You have? Yeah. My, my fiance has to come every time. I feel like I might start to resent her. Yeah, it's defeat.

The sex is completely used it if she doesn't come. Really? You know? And there's been time. All right. So, because she knows that if I come, I'm going to put your business out there rather.

But listen, right? Like, she know if I come, what's this nigga back there laughing, man? Yeah, right? Fucking Jamie over here. Cackling away.

If I come, I'm probably at my age now, if I come, I'm done for the day. Really? So, even times where she won't have sex three times. When I'm with her, with my schedule, I probably spent, I see her three days every other week. Okay. So she tried to come as much as she could. So because of that, I got at least make sure she come at least like two or three times a day. So that means that when I fuck her

The first come Right I'm not gonna come If I come Ain't anybody coming anymore You know So I'd be like I would ask for permission

I say hey Is it okay for me to come She's like nope So then I'm dumb So now I'm like I fuck without coming Really Right

See I'm the opposite of you I think where I can come really easily But then I got a couple of rounds in me For the day Yeah Like later, though, right? I mean, can you come back to, like, man, I could probably do it an hour.

Yeah, give me an hour. Give me two hours. And I'll get up, man, I'm not. If I come, I'm sure about coming in an hour. Now unless it's some new coochies there. New coochie will really get you going, yeah. But you ever find out with the dick pills? No.

Oh, you got to try it. It's the best. Ah, my God. What if you take that dip in the bids you don't show up? Then we went working on a hard dick for the all day, for what? Yeah, you're going to have to rent the porno movie or something. I'm not doing that to my right hand. I've never had that situation.

Well, okay, so I do porn. I don't know if you know this. No, I mean, what one of interviews is this, man? You guys in? It gets worse. You still do. Yeah, still, to this day, I'm actually doing it Wednesday. Yeah.

But so my wife and I have a podcast, plug talk.com, where we interview a different girl every week and then have sex with her. Wow. Yeah, it's quite the business model. But so when we film, we don't want to have to do like a whole day of filming for each individual scene. So we'll do two in a day. So after the first one, I'll take the dick pill And then I got a whole other New life has breathed into me after that

Which pill do you take? Uh, I've been trying A lot of them recently. The honey packs? Like honey packs, right? I have a box of expired honey packs in my office that I've been doing, yeah. You've been using it?

So you're not using them? No, I've been using them. Somebody gave them to me in like 2020 and I didn't do it back then And then recently I ran out And I found this expired box And it worked? Yeah, and I looked it up on chat GBT too.

I was like, do these go bad and said yeah don't do it it's not safe and then it did it anyway and it was fine so I just refused to believe that anything was happening chemically within that packet what could happen really right right make it not get hard ever again it just seems unlikely you know but you know in the porn world dudes like shoot their dick up with like a little needle that'll make it like rock hard for a few hours yeah I've never done that but I've had like a natural one of you I refuse to take anything that's like not now I've had like a natural thing before

where it was like last three days you know what I mean but that's too much three days yeah it will last you for three days but it's like a natural thing I don't want a three day boner no no no no no you're not just hard for three days meaning like whenever you get horny it will make you it'll make you at least harder longer right or make you much harder than normal

so now the the honey packs and the dick pills have become so normalized that I know guys who will take it just to go to the club just to go talk to girls Oh, now with a hard. Which I guess they feel like it puts them in more of like a sexual, sensual mind state, which to me, I just, I don't want to be walking into the club with a fully loaded weapon ready to go.

If anything, I want to go the other way. I'm going to jerk off like before I go to the club so that like I can have more of a clear head while I'm there. What we mean, do you have, you've been a point, whatever you want to call yourself. Clear?

Sure. Okay. Do you, um, Is there like, is there a certain type of woman to turn you on? I mean, nothing thing that's important? Really all. Seriously? Skinny bitches, fat bitches, ugly bitches, doesn't matter?

Yeah, yeah, it's all great. Seriously? Oh, yeah, yeah. Many bitch are you get a duck off? Fat, maybe not so much, but, you know, elderly, maybe not so much. What's elderly for you? You know, that's one thing. I'm 42.

Okay. And sometimes I'll be fucking like a milf porn star and I'll be thinking of... Milt, I'm sorry. It seems like a mom. Okay. Mom, I'd like to fuck milf. And so, you don't remember American Pie? I don't remember word for word, bro.

That was a lot of time ago. But either way, like, I'll be fucking a girl who's a milf, and I'll be thinking to my head, like, wow, like, this is so cool. I'm fucking this old lady. And then I'll look it up afterwards and realize she's actually younger than me. She just look old? Like 39 is, like, you know, for a porn star. So the women you guys, any of more than 20s, like younger women?

Yeah, 20s on average, yeah, maybe early 30s. So you know the fact grew up before? I have. Okay. It's not really my preferred. No, no. Actually, I would pick a fat girl or a skinny girl any day.

Really? But how fat we talking? I've had some really fat. I mean, the more popular I got, the more the weight went down. Yeah. But when I was like just coming out, I was one of those entertainers

that didn't get a lot of coochie. It's a teenager, I mean. So when I became kind of famous, I was making up for everything. everything I didn't get. So I was just fat chicks. I was mostly into fat girls. I was desiring and undesirable.

I was like the movie, Shallow House almost. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, in fact, I'm one of the biggest chick I banged was, what really was this? Probably 2006 or something like that. And I'm in my crib and I had like a metal frame to my bed. And I'm banging this chick. You bet the steel?

The steel. Like, all of a sudden, we're on the floor, like, the still bent. Wow. And then I had my role manager, actually, because I think the next morning was catching a flight out. And I live right by the airport in Philly at that time. So you stayed at night, so he could catch an early flight. And he was in the guest room. And I guess when I was hitting his joint, he said, all he heard was,

blop, blop, blop, blop, blop. So it was like, I think my stomach was hitting her stomach. Yeah. So the faster I went, the more, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop, blop. And he'll notice, he, he's listening. Because he had when I slow down, you know what I mean? And all of a sudden, I pick up again,

blop, blop, blop, blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden, the bed broke. Right. And then, I mean, the girls, I'm sure she was embarrassed. Hmm. I mean, she knew what she was getting into. She's not just walking around all huge for no reason, right? Yeah, but I don't think she ever broke a metaphor.

Yeah. Well, okay, when you're fucking a fat woman, I'll tell you something, is that you really understand. I'm not. Now, with everything going on, at least go put that fatness into some kind of a shape. Right. Like back then it was like, now I would, I would do a really thick woman that's some kind of shape.

I don't care how big you are. Right. Just shape it up. Go see Dr. Crenshaw, Dr. Miami, whatever you have to see. Right. You know, Dr. St. Louis. Just go see one of them guys and put that shit together. Yeah, the whole new dynamic where they suck it in in the middle.

So the woman is huge, but she's still much smaller in the midsection. and then the big boobs and the big ass and it's a whole different type of fat woman. It's attractive to me. Yeah, I'm into this. Yeah, I'm into it. Yeah. We still have a lot in common, man. Yeah, we're both horny.

Not for each other or anything, but, you know. I'm not gay. No, yeah. Okay, I just wanted to double check. You do a point you never had like, have you done like, what's it called? When you put a train? Have you done that?

I've done, yeah, scenes with other dudes where we're banging a girl together and shit, which is it's a really like kind of wild way to get to know another dude yeah especially having a conversation yeah you guys need to talk through it oh no you don't really talk between the men but sometimes like you'll be fucking a girl together and he just like blatantly is like better at this than you or like going harder than you or at the very least has a bigger than you and sometimes like you know the guy will be freakyer the guy will be like holding his balls and it'll be smearing his dick over the girl's face,

like super aggressive and shit. And you're like, damn, well, I wasn't going to do that, but maybe I need to fucking adjust my style a little bit to, like, keep up with his intensity. So that's weird. Yeah, that's got to be. Right. And it's, I mean, then you can probably notice

where she probably rather prefer him more than you. Well, that's another thing, too. That sometimes you get that vibe, yeah. How doesn't make you feel? I mean, really, I'm just there to do the job. So it's like, if he's doing a great job, And, like, you know, there's two ways to think of it, which is, like, on one hand, I'm enjoying having sex with this person. And on the other hand, well, I'm really just here to do this and get it over with so I can go smoke weed and sit on my computer again.

So really, if he's going to, like, kind of take the lead role here, I mean, all right, sure. Well, he might get a race. The porn world not necessarily the most equitable when it comes to men. For real. The women make a lot more than the men, yeah. Yeah, because it's more. I guess. But meanwhile, if you're, if there's no man, nobody cares.

Lesbian porn, not terribly popular. Yeah, I'm not. I'm, I just, for some reason when I, even, I don't watch porn. I guess I used to. Okay. Back when I was, in fact, I got married one time. I was very young, like 22 years old when I got married to my oldest son, mother.

And, you know, me and he used to watch porn together. Right. You know. You know, that was good for the relationship? Yeah, yeah, it was kind of cool for the relationship. And we actually end up, you know, you know you have your wife's might do point and you meet them like oh my god i watch you you know so i've actually met somebody um the one girl used to have this long tongue black girl from back

in the day and even the one black guy that got with the hat on what's his name the guy was a hat-off who mr marcus mr marcus okay he had a hat in fact i used to do a podcast and i interview him once and i'm and i'm i'm like damn i've been watching you guys you know but i actually went to a Porn Award, it's way back. I mean, now I'm not even. What year was this? This is like between like 2005-ish. Oh no, no, hold on.

No, my bad, I was married. I'm married very young. No, no, this is like early, late 90s, 98, 90, between the 99 and 2002-ish. Okay. You know, it's when I used to run into those porn people, you know. But I don't do it as much. And like, now if I'm gonna watch anything

because I'm like, you know, I don't wanna see no other guys I watch like girl on girl. Okay. The dick freaks you out a little. No, not there. I'm just on, I'm just, I think it would turn me off to see another man's penis. That's up.

I'm the opposite of that. I need that in there. If there's no, I feel like she's not really complete in the assignment. Yeah, that's true. But it gets weirder, the older I get because the more of where I know the guy. I did a scene with a dude the other day with a girl and a dude, not just a dude. And, uh, number one, as soon as he took his shirt off, I immediately knew what gang he was from. So that was kind of interesting. Like the shirt comes off and I just see it across his

chest, which on the LA level is important information, you know? Not like a gang or like a real gang. No, he's a real gang. Yeah. He was a porn star as well? Yeah, well, a lot of the guys from L.A., you know, you grow up in a gang because you're from a certain neighborhood or whatever. You know, you're probably, you know, it's not like you're out shooting people. You're fucking on camera. Yeah, that's better. That's bad. That's bad. But then he wanted to keep his sunglasses and his hat on during the scene. So he's for his identity? I don't know.

I was just like, maybe that's his disguise, his alter ego. Like he helps him get in the zone. Yeah, I don't know how he feels about me making jokes about it on the podcast after the fact, but... Did you? After the fact? Well, I'm kind of doing that right now. And just in general, yeah. But what you want to know what his name was, I'll just shout him out, chocolate god.

Okay. Chocolate, chocolate. That's a good name, right? If I was a porn star, star, I could see myself in, like, chocolate. sexual chocolate or like midnight train to Georgia. Yeah. There's a, you know what I always thought was astounding is that there's a guy, a porn star named T.T. Boy.

And he is retired now. I always thought he's white, but I guess he's Puerto Rican. And he didn't use dupils because he's from a prior era where there were no dupils. And he was doing four or five scenes a day almost every day. You know, like I say, if it's a new woman, Not unless you got this, I mean, trust me, I've had a relationship where I've, like, you just want this girl every moment.

Yeah. You know. Porn is not that. The passion is really kind of out the window at some point, you know, you're just doing the job. So with porn, I guess as long as it is switching up the women, I could see that happening. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay, I wanted to ask you, how do you feel about this ongoing Chud the Builder saga? You're familiar with this guy?

I have no idea what that is. Oh, really? Okay. He's a live streamer. I guess I should just show. show you his face, so you're really good an idea what I'm talking about. But he's a live streamer who's basically built a career off of basically like going out in public live streaming. And he would kind of- Say like racist words. Yeah, he would find groups of black dudes or women, I guess.

And he would, you know, use the N-word, called him chimps, this type of thing. And that kind of had the internet on the edge of their seat because everybody was kind of- Was he like a rest of beat up recently or something? Right. So he had a court hearing and on the way out of the court hearing, a black guy basically was heckling him, antagonizing him a little bit and kind of got up close to him. And I think he hit him first. And Chud pulled out his gun, shot himself in the leg and then shot this guy. The guy's fine. The guy was not killed or anything like that. But now Chud, the builder is basically facing, you know, attempted murder charges and they're bringing up his old tweets and everything where he basically. predicted this outcome, making it extremely hard for anybody to really feel any kind of sympathy for him or anything because he basically said that this was his goal. And yeah, it feels like this is kind of like a whole new domain that we've crossed over into. It's just, you know, I mean, obviously this guy has nothing else to stream about.

So he figured this kind of streaming would bring a lot of attention. Look, we're talking about him. That way his goal was. He went from a total nobody to like world famous. So a lot of time, he's got to just find something that would make him famous, and that's what his dumbass found. So you saw what you reap. You're going to, if you're going to choose those route to go and talk about that, then it's consequences you have to pay. So that's, I'm not, it's just dumbass.

Yeah, yeah. It's like really, I think the thing that stood out to a lot of people was just that it took a while. You know, it took like months of him doing this sort of content before somebody was even aggressive enough to lay hands on him, which made him pull out his gun. What state is he living in? Tennessee. You can walk out with a gun over there. Yeah, they have like open carry. So you can just have that on the outside of your pants and everything like that.

But he was also showing it. Yeah, yeah. And he was also pepper spraying a lot of people. So like before he ended up shooting someone, he ended up pepper spraying like a lot of different people who attempted to, you know, do anything aggressive to him. And really like he pepper spread a bunch of people who really didn't seem like they were like a threat or anything like that. That's a wild world. We live in. Yeah, man, it's crazy.

You know, related to that too, I was just reading about these, if you heard about these, like, sort of white only communities that they're attempting to build down south? It's real? Yeah, there's groups of people who are basically, they want to create communities where they feel, not only just white people, but white people who like have corresponding values. Like everybody's got to basically be a Trump supporter. You got to be opposed to gay marriage. You got to be whatever.

All these sort of Republican values. I don't feel like Trump supporter are racist people. I mean, I don't. Well, I think it's like every racist is a Trump supporter, but not every Trump supporter is racist. I've said it again? Like, if you're racist, I got you.

For sure, you're voting for Trump and not Kamala Harris. But, you know, if you're, just because you're a Trump supporter, doesn't necessarily mean that you're racist. I mean, there's a lot of black and Hispanic people voting for Trump, so you can't just say that everybody's a white nationalist. But so that's the, that's the, this new world that we live in, the New York Times actually just put out this podcast about it a couple days ago where these people are creating these communities. And so there's actually like a lesbian

Jewish woman who wanted to buy one of the communities, one of the houses within this community. And once they realized that she was Jewish and gay and oh or I forget her, no, yeah, yeah, she's gay. And so once they realized this, they basically rejected her application and now she's suing them. So now we're going to really find out if legally this is something that America is going to allow. It's almost like, I mean, can you, I mean, can't compare. I mean, that's still racism when you pick and choose who could live in a neighborhood. Right. It's not like a certain, you know, community where it's like, I'm going to put houses here that costs $10 million.

If you can't afford $10 million, you cannot buy this house. Right. So I guess it's over there's different. Your $10 million is not good over here pretty much. Whether you have it or not because you're black or you're dis-and. I mean, it's wrong, but nothing surprises me anymore. The people who are in charge of it, they own the land. And so then they're in charge of, like, you know,

selling these plots of land to people. And then they're making the decision about who they feel it's fair to sell this house to. Okay, on one hand... Yeah, I mean, Isaac, where you compare it to, like, Bussi's party where he don't want transgender women to come to the pool party? So I don't know if it would be like...

that Boosie would be sued over that. I feel like for a party, for a pool party, it would be pretty easy to justify saying, hey, we don't want whoever we want. You go to a nightclub, they don't let ugly girls in the nightclub, right? So again, he don't want no girls in a pool with a, basically with a, on the side or whatever.

There is part of me that, as much as I'm opposed to racism, that I feel like if you want to live in a community and, you know, regulate who lives in the community based on like anything, if you want to live in a Jewish community and you don't want to rent your, houses within that community to anybody besides Jewish people. I mean, I feel like that's okay, right? Would you think it was okay for a black community to say,

hey, we don't want any white people living there? I mean, our person will not go nowhere I'm not wanted. Yeah. That's, you know, if somebody don't want, why would you want to go anywhere that you don't want to know, you got worried about people doing shit to you? And who has the energy? Life is short.

I want to live my life as long as possible. Right. If my husband want me in that neighborhood or whatever, I'm not going to get. Fuck your neighborhood. I'm going to go away. wanted. Do you have the right to do that? Of course you don't, you know, but if you don't want me there, why should I come to prove what? And when I first started hearing about these white-souling communities,

I thought that there might not be that much of a challenge to it because of the fact that like what black person would want to live in this community. Exactly. But the woman who's suing, she was attempting to buy this piece of land because she felt like it was undervalued. Like she didn't even want to live there. She wanted to just buy it and rent it out as an Airbnb. Or whatever. Oh, that's a real, real neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. Where's it at what state?

Oh, let's see. We got about 10 minutes, motherfucker. So let's get to the good part. It was a while ago. Where was this? Remind me so I don't go get a house there. Maybe I should get a house there. No, for sure.

I mean, they wouldn't want anything to do with me either, for sure. Why, because you're tattoos and you... I feel like the whole porn thing probably goes against... whatever they are trying to build as well. Oh, it's in Arkansas. Okay. So, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, man.

I do. I mean, you know, I don't know. I just believe, like, you know, don't go into where you're not wanting to, man. Yeah, definitely. Okay, why do you feel like the comedy movie thing kind of came to a close that the comedy movies just don't really exist anymore?

And is there still part of you that would love to create something like that? Or is there a part of you that sort of resents that you don't live in an age where comedy movies are still so popular as they were in the 90s and 2000s? It's a shame now. But you know, it's the era we are in. People are into these little phones and these kids and all the, I mean, so our attention span is so bad. You know, and because of that, you know, if your movie is not going to be outstanding, nobody's going

sit for an hour and a half and watch it. Yeah. You know, because we see home, we watch movie at home. You got Netflix and if it's corner, you switch it up to Prime or you switch up to Hulu. Our attention spent, it's just a bad time. So, you know, you have to put something out there. It's going to be

extra unordinary to make people to go out there to sit down for an hour and a half and pay attention to your thing. And it's a shame, you know, but I'm going to actually shout out to the Wend Brother that did their thing with scary movie's sakes. I'm about to go film my own movie which I would film 90% of it in Ghana and maybe 10% of states.

Really? It's a comedic movie, kind of like a comedic version of Scarface, you know? So yeah, and I'm going to try to make this the funniest movie. I think that's the goal because we haven't seen nothing funny in a while. Like, but who's out there who could give us a funny movie? What comedic? But are you going to Ghana because it's much, much cheaper to shoot there? I would assume.

Because I want a different environment. I want to make it stand out. I'm like, I shot this in a different place. Right, yeah. You know, of course it's my land, but I wanted to make, well, it's part of the script as well. It's part of the script where I get deported and I have to make ends me somewhere else. But are you going to mostly be flying in American actors or are you going to be finding local talent? Both. I think my main, maybe my main three to five actors will come from the States and then I'll combine it with some local actors over there. I would be intrigued to see that.

For sure. You're going to do this on more of like an independent level. or are you going to do it through a studio? I'm going to stick my own money and pay everybody and film it and sell it to like whoever wants to pay the most money for it, whether it's Netflix or Prime or Hulu, whatever. Okay, yeah, because that's kind of the ultimate dream these days to be able to just sell it directly to your fan base, but you feel like that's not necessarily it? I'm going to sell it to the big boys. I wanted because I wanted to be seen.

You know, it will be cool to just put on YouTube and make your money, but no, I'm not spending $300,000 to do that. like, you know, give to YouTube. I want, I want at least get, you know, most of my money back. Right, right away so I could work on the next thing. Right. Yeah, yeah. So I'm looking forward to that and,

let's see what happens. Do you feel that, that, do you ever feel torn when you reach the end of the day and you're thinking about watching a movie or you're thinking about watching something long form? But then you also have, like, you know, you've been looking at Instagram or TikTok throughout the day and you can feel that there's this like push and pull between both sides of that.

Yeah, I mean, don't get it. When I'm home and I want to relax and back at work and I watch. There's nothing been funny at all, so I'm being watching a lot of those. I'm big in documentaries now. In fact, when I had COVID, when I had COVID back in 2021 or whatever it is,

when COVID came out? 2020. 2020. I got into March of, I got it, come on 2020. I got it like a year later almost. Mm. Something like that.

So I remember when I got it, I was home and what, and I started watching, like, what the Netflix series called I'm a killer, and then also the Steve Avery stories. I got into documentaries, like, real true stories. I'm like, these motherfuck ain't making me laughing. Let me go find out what really happened to people. So I got kind of like I started watching those and forensic files and stuff like that, you know, studying people.

I feel like there's been like a documentary made about like every murder ever. And after a while, it just starts to feel like slop, because you watch it, it's kind of engaging while you're watching it, but then pretty quickly you forget about it and you move on and you can't even remember any of the details about what you watched.

And it's like, it's kind of depressing. It kind of makes you a little bit like weary and scared of the world around you. Oh my God. It definitely makes you scared. But I think those killer documentaries also make you aware, like study people, you know, what a study killers and stuff like that.

So if you come around them, you check from their behavior, you can kind of like, hey, that's acting like Jeffrey Dom. My brother, I'm going to help you spot the killers. Yeah, man, kind of, you know what I mean? I don't see killer. He's staying with you.

You don't think I got it? Kind of a little bit, man. This is like the interview coming full circle because it started the interview with me telling you that I could kill, which I don't actually really believe. I think I could, it's a difference because I feel like if I did kill, I would probably need like a lot of therapy to work through it, you know, so I don't know if that really counts. If you got to go to therapy, I don't think you can call yourself a killer. Exactly.

Yeah. Okay. Final question. So Druski made a huge splash when he did his Erica Kirk skit where he dressed up as a white woman. And then that sort of lent itself to a big cultural conversation that I've seen a lot of people having, which is basically like, is there a white person alive who is funny enough that they could pull off a similar skit doing blackface? Is that a frontier that anybody should even be thinking about? fun of it, you mean, like in a comedic way?

Yeah, like, is there a Theo Vaughn doing blackface skit that could be funny in the same way that Drusky doing Erica Kirk was? And who is the white person who could be most likely to pull it off? And be acceptable as well? Yeah, I mean, in order for this to like be analogous to the Drusky Erica Kirk thing, it would have to be something that was so well done and so funny that, you know, culturally everybody just kind of agreed. Like, oh, that was that was so well done.

this is the one guy who was able to pull off blackfish. I don't think he wants to smoke at all. I'm saying, I think he's the only one that could, because he's a great actor, a comedic actor, you know, and he would probably pull it all probably the best. I mean, I can't, who do you think? We've talked about it a bunch on this podcast, and I can't really think of the white guy who would be able to pull it off and who would actually want to give it a try. Because I feel like that would be essentially the end of your career on any kind of like professional or Hollywood level.

If it's in a racist way. I mean, it kind of has to be at least a little racist. Like what are they making fun of? Well, so Jake Paul was the one who kind of initiated this conversation and he started suggested that he was going to do it. And Jake Paul is not funny. Right. But I'm saying, when he's just saying it that way, all remittance like it's going to be racist just to get even. Yeah.

You know, so we need somebody that's not going to, we need somebody that's just lovable. That could probably make it funny. And I think, well, Farrow, I can't think of no other white. And he's not even a stand-on comment. He's just a comedic actor. Right. Shane Gillis. Well, Shane Gillis, I mean, I guess with the, with the Kevin Hart wrote, you know, he already got some haters already.

So he probably won't work. But I love his Trump impression. His Trump premise is incredible. Right. He does on a Kill Tony show. I mean, notably. when Drusky did Erica Kirk, he wasn't really like roasting her whiteness in any way.

He was just impersonating someone who happened to be white. But he said he wasn't, he said he wasn't her. Yeah, I would probably say that to him, I guess. But, I mean. He said it wasn't her. He was like relying on all the jokes that had been made over the years about her. Man.

The thing about it, I don't, unfortunately for me, I've never heard of Charlie Kirk that he died. Yeah. I didn't know. Because I didn't know him, I didn't know his wife. I don't know nothing about these people until he died. I'm like, who is this Charlie Kirk guy about he's talking about?

You know, even with that, I still didn't go watching his videos to see what he talks about. It never, it just wasn't my thing. But I guess he's, you know, he's big with the younger audience and people know him, but I just didn't know him. So it was so hard from to get involved until, like, oh, my guy, you know, his wife, because I don't know nothing about Charlie Kirk. I remember I was actually sitting here interviewing somebody and it was like a young rap. like the exact type of person who wouldn't know or care about Charlie Kirk. And I'm like looking down to my phone, seeing my group chat explode with people sending screenshots and videos of Charlie Kirk getting shot through the neck and shit.

And it was a strange experience to sit here and hold my composure and just do the interview normally without reacting to it. But I already knew he was because I was at one point I was supposed to debate him about porn because he felt that. Paulie? Yeah. He felt porn should be illegal. And I was supposed to debate him on that.

And I actually, as I was going to the debate, I was really feeling like I'm going to get my ass handed to me regardless of the fact that I believe that I'm right. But he's just like so smart and so well researched. And I had been doing what I could, but I only had a couple of days to prepare. But then he like backed out the last minute. So why he was going to really do it? He was supposed to. But also like there was part of me that I believed that the person who was organized in the debate might have been trolling me. So I don't know if that was actually ever a real thing.

I didn't know about resting piece of that guy. And to anybody that just died. tragically like that are just horrible. It's like, you know, a lot of time you do these things, whatever you speak your mind, you just do, and people just take everything personal and they wanna just take your life out because, you know, but at the end of the day, man, it's like, you know,

you're just talking, you just, you know, people are just crazy out there. He's got, it's weird. I mean, the irony of the fact that he was basically lamenting black gang violence at the moment that he was shot in the neck by the, like a disturbed white leftist. I mean, like I said, I didn't even know him, so I don't even know what he talked about. You know, I didn't go, and I'm not about to take time to go watch videos and get to know

who he is. I respect that. That's probably the right thing to do for your sanity. Yes, 100% man. Protect your energy. Yes, thank you, Jesus. For sure. Okay, so Will Ferro is going to do blackface?

Yeah, I think he might, I think he will put, he'll, he's a comedic actor and good enough to do it. Drewskiy is not a comedian. he became a comedic skit guy well I mean the definition of comedian is pretty wide open right he makes comedic content yeah yeah but he's not he I haven't seen him stand on stage and tell a joke

but that's a stand-up comic right that's like a different well I mean that's you have to be a comedian you'll be a stand-up comic no you could be a comedian and do TikToks or TV shows or so I mean anybody who called himself comedians

well if you if you make content that's intended to make people of laugh. The only reason why I'm even thinking about this is because somebody recently asked... I've got to Google up comedian because I thought the comedians guys that actually go on stage and... Right. Well, somebody recently said like, during an argument with me, they're like, you're not a comedian, so you can't make this kind of joke. And I'm like,

well, I sit on a podcast and quite frequently, you know, we spend our time attempting to be funny. So I looked up the definition of comedian. I was basically like, I feel like I fit this... Did it say you was a comedian when you looked up a comedian? Well, it didn't say that you have to stand on a stage. So... It did. Yeah. No, I don't. I don't really want to call myself a comedian, but I do want the cover of like,

if I say something offensive, trying to make a joke, I want that to be like my excuse. So whatever. Good luck, man. I appreciate it. What else you got going on that you want the people to know about? Let me see.

When will this thing air, though? Does it matter? A couple days. Oh, okay, cool. Let me see. Well, this Saturday, June 13th, I'm live in Boston at the Wilburth Theater. Nice.

July 4th weekend. Third and fourth, I'll be in Atlanta at the City Winery. City Winery for two shows. After that, Eric, you know, the schedule by in 11th the following week? Am I still doing... You're in Orlando, but that's the end of the... Oh, that's it.

Orlando, June 26 and 27th. I'll be at the Orlando Funny Bomb. And then so we got Boston, Orlando, then we got Atlanta. I know Naples, Florida. Then I go to Africa and film this movie. And I come back, and then I mean, like, New Bronswick, New Jersey,

at the Stress Factory. and then Richmond, Virginia. Okay, Richmond, Virginia. Just, you know, hey, let me just go to my social media, follow me. For all those who went to a public school, I spell it for you. It's M-I-C-H-A-E-L-B-L-A-C-K-S-O-N. That's my Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok,

Christian Mingle, where black people meet, Black Planet, MySpace. Is Black Planet still active? I don't know. I don't know either. I recall, I think I looked at it in, like, the late 90s or early 2000s. They probably sold it to somebody and they probably, that person probably just like, my space was sold, right?

Yeah. And what happened to it? The guy doing it for something else? They sold it to like Fox and then it was considered like one of the most disastrous mergers of all time because it basically imploded soon after. God. They left more money on the table than anybody because look at how much Facebook is worth now. Yeah, Tom, got, he sold that crap and ran it all up and got millions of dollars. And now he's a photographer.

He's probably very happy. TikTok. He probably makes TikToks if I had to guess, yeah. All right, Michael Boxan, I appreciate you, man. Much love. Thank you for coming through. No Jumper, coolest podcast, where I like, comment, and subscribe, and make sure you check this out.

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