No Jumper - Mike Rashid on His Murder Case, Going on The Run for 7 Years & How He Beat It

Episode Date: October 27, 2022

Mike Rashid talks about the ups and downs of his life, beating a case, urning his life around, fitness, being poly and more! ---- 00:00 Intro 0:00 - Mike Rashid compliments Adam on his fitness journey 2:15 - How fitness is linked to depre**ion and how other people view you 6:45 - Why people are intimidated by muscular guys 15:22 - Mike is polyamorous 17:04 - Fresh & Fit fans called Mike a simp because he likes loving committed relationships 20:10 - Why men should pay their woman’s living expenses. Weird experience flying a girl out 24:42 - Mike on being upfront with women he hooks up with. S*D testing 25:30 - Mike and Adam grew up terrified of getting A*DS 29:38 - How Mike handles being around people he doesn’t like 35:20 - Why people don’t like strong and confident people 42:30 - Mike on finding out that there is no sl**ery in his ancestry 43:47 - History of laws separating black men and white women 52:15 - Being exposed to r*cism after moving to Arizona. Learning not to fight over __ 1:06:45 - Mike and Adam react to “Defund the Police” and the history of police as the slave patrol 1:09:20 - Mike tells the story of going on the run after k*lling someone who broke into his house 1:20:25 - How Mike stayed on the run for 7 years 1:22:30 - Getting caught after accidentally getting popular on social media 1:33:50 - How Mike finally got caught after 7 years 1:38:30 - Mike explains how he beat his cases and avoided prison time 1:52:47 - How Mike kept his legal troubles hidden while fighting his cases 1:55:10 - Mike’s thoughts on Fresh & Fit and his place in the “Manosphere” 2:07:50 - Adam explains his and Lena’s relationship to Mike 2:08:52 - Mike admits to making many private p*rn videos --- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today, very, very excited to bring everybody a conversation with Mike Rashid. How are you doing, man? I'm excellent, sir. How about yourself? Excellent. Good, good, good, good. Having a great day in the middle of this fitness journey. Had a nice weigh in this morning, so I'm feeling extra good. How's that going for you so far? Excellent. I'm down like 13 pounds or so. What's your weight? 27. And what you start at? 240. And what's your height?

6-3. Okay. That's good. Trying to get 200. What time frame have you been so far? About a month and a half or so, I would say. So that's a nice, steady pace. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you want.

You don't want to lose a bunch fast. It's not sustainable. That's part of why I want to do this is because I got a lot of people who work here who are telling me, oh, I'm going to lose weight because I'm going to do this juice diet or I'm going to do this cleanse or whatever. It's like, oh, I'm going to work out super hard today and then not for two weeks. And it's like, I just keep telling them it's not about doing anything extreme. It's about just making.

intelligent decisions and having a game plan for every day and being able to repeat it over and over and being able to fuck up and just take it to the chin and then just keep going after that, you know? Right. You want to, it's about finding a sustainable means of clean eating, you know, and exercise. And people think they got to be lifting weights or got to do this and do that. You can play basketball. You could do Zumba. You could dance. As long as you're moving the body. Yeah. People die, drop dead in this country. Two reasons. Diabetes, type two diabetes, and heart disease. Right.

And it's because people are not eating properly or eating too much and eating the wrong shit and not exercising. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Also, just the depression rates are super high. Right. All of that because people are not mobile. They're not moving. Definitely.

I mean, I personally see my happiness level basically align with my weight, where if I'm depressed and I feel horrible about life, then I'm going to fucking gain weight and be. eating shitty and if you're just putting shitty food into your body every day and not exercising, how could you even expect yourself to feel good on a day-to-day basis? Like, not the fat shame, not to shit on people, but, you know, when I see people who are just at a really extreme weight level, it's hard for me to really see it as anything other than like depression that's basically manifesting in front of our face, right? 100%. Think about sex being obese.

And here's the thing. I talk to so many people and you have an overweight cat and I be trying to talk to my body. his stuff, his situation, he'd be like, but I'm good. I'm like, you're not good, bro. You might be good for like this week. You're not good, right? This year. He's not good. He's lying to herself. Right. But it's like, it's so many benefits to being fit, right? Right. Um, you know, your mind operates better. You don't have that brain fog. You have energy throughout the day. Sex drivers through the roof. You know what I'm saying? And people treat you different when you, when you look the par. I mean, it looks like you take care of yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's a bit. Yeah, I feel like that's a part of what's driving me to get in shape too is just the fact that I believe that when people look at you, they tend to gravitate towards the most obvious parts of your personality, the most out there things about you. And they base their impression of you on that. And so I think when I look at somebody like Dan Billsarion, I look at him as a marketing genius because he stays in super good shape. And so people notice that right away. And then they see him with tons of girls. And then they base their entire opinion of him on that. And as a result, he's basically been able to paint himself as kind of like the

premier Playboy slash dude who's really in shape in America these days. In terms of followers, everything like that, you know, he never entered a bodybuilding competition. He's not trying to compete on the same metrics as everybody else. But when he, the way he presents himself is like he's really, really good at these two things. And then nobody cares about anything else. You know, like once, if you can demonstrate mastery of. a couple things then a lot of people will completely turn to their back to the other things that might be lacking as part of your personality correct correct see it's like there's a whole other

component to it too right i look at it like this like stress right stress to me is my best friend i'm like bring it please right you get to like when you work out on a regular and you know are on top of your nutrition you know that's stressful working out is literally stressful you're causing and stress to your body, right? What you're doing is you're teaching yourself stress management, how to handle it properly, right? Stress is stress. I don't care if it's in the gym, at work, at school, whatever, right?

So, and if you're doing this every day, you're learning how to properly mitigate stress or the negative effects of stress and making it a positive. Now, you do this every day, that carries into your everyday life, right? You're a more disciplined person, you see things through, you know what I'm saying? You become a harder person,

in a sense of like, shit don't affect you as much as the average person, you know? Listen, bro, I'm called to the aid of many, you know what I mean? And when I get there and they're crying broken down, I'm like, all right, what's going on? And when they tell me, I'm just like in my head, like, God damn, that's it. You know what I'm saying?

So it's a lot that I've gained over the years just being in the gym all the time. And honestly, my reason for training wasn't nothing other than I liked it. You know, I was a kid looking at Hulk Hogan and Mr. T. and I wanted to be strong like those guys, you know what I mean? And that was just the vibe. I'm from Brooklyn.

That was a vibe in my neighborhood. Like, we was super competitive. Everybody played football, raced, like, whatever, everything. And, you know, you just want to always try to have that edge, that advantage. Yeah. And I mean, that's kind of the thing about lifting weights or staying in shape that is so impressive to people is the fact that if you look at a guy and he's got like a big built-ass chest, you know, or if you see him in the gym and he's throwing up 315 for 10 reps,

you don't need to know anything else about him to know that he has spent a very significant chunk of his life, torturing himself and putting himself through real pain and hardship in the gym. And that just tells you a fuckload about a person. Like the one thing that I'm always trying to get across when I talk to people about dieting stuff is like, this is just the process of you making little good decisions, little healthy decisions over and over and over,

And to really have like a tremendous amount of muscle on you, people don't even realize. Like to be skinny is one thing. To actually carry around some significant amount of size, I mean, putting muscle on is a fucking massive challenge for most people, even people who are pretty genetically drawn to it. I mean, it's still just a very difficult thing to get and to maintain. So anybody who looks at a person like that, they kind of know right away. And anybody who I think would like joke on a person for that is somebody who recognizes immediately. like, oh, this is a person who's sacrificed a shitload to look like this. And a lot of people might be kind of challenged by that.

Yeah, for sure. People feel what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer, so they think. You know, and listen, look, it's funny. Like, they put me on Shabron one time, like, like, smash your pass type shit. Like, they just put me on there, right? Just randomly. Yeah. And you should see the girls that were like, you was fat girls.

Yeah. I'm like, right. Sure, I'm you. You know what I'm saying? Right. You know, people automatically reject what they feel like they can't have. Just like people who say, oh, money is evil. It's not about money.

It's because they feel like they can never have money. Right. So they have to condemn it. Like, why don't you just try to get it? Or just don't say anything. Right. Just sit over there. Because, look, I don't push my lifestyle on anybody.

Right. I provide it's people that follow me for inspiration on all kind of things. So I try to give them the best information that I can give. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I'm not shoving it down. anybody's talk because I don't care if some like plus size woman wants to leave that comment about you it's kind of weird because it's like it's so bizarre it's just like it's so bizarre like why like if you

if I did that to her yeah but if you want to not like me based on my personality or my ideas or something I've done that that's one thing but like to look at a guy who's in real good shape and be like ew it's like and it's not like over the top 300 pounds right five four 300 pounds you know if they said about Ronnie Coleman when he's on stage I understand yeah I get that it's a Yeah. Have you ever seen him? In real life, yes. I got his autograph in 2008 at GNC.

Okay. He's kind of weathered down now, but... Now it's rough, yeah. I do. Look, people think that, see what he gets? I'm like, nah, he don't give a fuck. He lived the life that he wanted to live like a fucking savage, and he's writing it out. Right.

Because he's an innovator. He, uh, I was just watching, like, the trailer for that documentary about him because I watched the documentary years ago. And, you know, it's just the fact that he really, like, took bodybuilding to a totally different level in terms of, how much he was lifting. And the fact that he really didn't give a fuck about the long run. Like, he just went for it.

I don't know. I fucks with that. Yeah. Because me personally, like, all my years growing up, I never thought I'd be old. I'm like, I'll just go too hard. You know what I'm saying? Right. So it's interesting because now, because I have that mentality of like, I want to live like a lion.

You know what I'm saying? Lions don't live long. And just, you know, I don't want to be an old feeble man. They're patching me together. Right. Take me out to the desert, put a hot one in my head. You know what I'm saying? How old are you now?

Forty-five. 45 okay so i'm 38 um yeah that's something i think about a lot like when i was having the conversation with dan bilzerian about testosterone and he was kind of like he's like you know you could you could have a Lamborghini and it's not gonna last forever but it's really fun while you got it or you could have a honda that lasts forever and it's not particularly exciting while you're doing it that was his argument and i'm kind of like bro i have a kid i'm planning not having more kids yeah i definitely want to live to be an old man if at all possible like i definitely want to stretch this thing out, you know? So, okay, so my perspective have shifted over the years, right? Because, like, for my size, I'm really strong, right? So, and I got a big-ass ego, you know what I mean? So I ego lift, right? But I do a lot of things based on my ego, but it usually benefits people, you know what I'm

saying? So I don't think ego is necessarily bad. However, I'm a real, I got a real dominant personality. So if I'm in a gym and somebody's getting after it, I got to go near them and do more than them. Really? Even if I ain't on that part, that body part. You know what I'm saying? I'm stupid like that. Like, look, I'd be in a backyard of my dog. He'll piss, I piss. He'll piss, I piss. I try to beat him. And then when I'm out, I make him go in the house. Wait, an additional piss? Like, you'll take one piss and then just have another one ready to go? I'll save it. I'll save it, yeah. But I don't have that much. Like, he's unlimited. So I make him go in the house. It's stupid. But it's just, you know, it's silly shit. But in real life, you know, I'm a very competitive person. You know what I'm saying? But it's a healthy.

competition like for instance me and my business partner it's like we battle to bring value to our company you know what I'm saying and as a result of it we just our growth is crazy you know what I'm saying right it's not like a I'm never jealous of anyone or trying to up uh outdo somebody unless it's people I don't know I don't really give a fuck right you know but yeah I'm a it's like like male peacocks showing if others right I'm not motherfucker see okay I remember reading about dating when I read the game back in like 2008 or something like that yeah and I first found out about the whole pickup thing and I'm reading this book and they're saying like oh what you do is

you pull up to the club with a red leather fucking cowboy hat and this is called peacock and all the chicks will have to pay it hell no I was like that's the gayest shit I ever heard of my fucking life but I was like looking I'm looking down to my arms I'm like damn you got all these tattoos you already been peacock and like you already you already understood that before you read this in this book that you wanted to make yourself stand out. I just, I feel like I respect a guy who lifts weight so they can get them really good shape or a guy who gets tattoos or whatever to look a certain way. Like that I feel like is more respectable, whereas I just never really want to be the guy

who's having a rock, a designer fit every single day so that I can let people know what kind of person I am, you know? Well, here's a thing. When you're in shape, like I don't really close, whatever, I'm not fashion guy. I wear simple shit. When you're in shape, you don't have to get all dressed. up. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I care about accessories only like a nice watch. You know what I'm saying? Some glasses. I'm cool. You'll never see me scarce and all of this shit. When I see dudes like all fucking crazy, right? I'm like, bro, you been using the mirror for how long.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think that's weird. Very weird. I think that's weird. I don't let my son be in the mirror. I'm like, what are you doing? Get out the mirror, boy.

What are you doing? Yeah, I think our culture might like over exaggerate the value of fashion. And the reason why is because that's how corporations make money. Yeah. So people are, most people are consumers. Right. You got producers and consumers. Most people are consumers.

See, like me, if I see some fly shit that I like, I'm like, hmm. And I wear it and it's on the gram and people are like, yo, where did you get that at? I'd be like, if I got enough interest, I'm going to make that shit. I'm going to sell it myself. You know what I'm saying? That's how I think. Right. I can't help it.

You know? Definitely. That's that competitive nature, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, yeah, I like this. I'm going to make money over the kind of shit. I've always been the way that I am too is because it was like, how am I going to go

waste all this money on a bunch of Supreme shit when they're like a skateboard company that yeah, they're cool but I don't feel like y'all are cooler than me and my friends even though realistically when I was young I was totally full of shit. They were way cool with me and my friends when I look at it now but I have my own thing going on

and I'm like, I'm going to wear a shirt from some fucking band that I saw play last weekend or I'm going to wear a shirt from a bike company that I fuck with or my friend's brand or whatever. Like I always wanted to wear shit that was more representative of what I was interested in. And a lot of times, and there's not an attack on the Da Vinci shirt. Because I got plenty of a shirt, shit.

I'm wearing $700 Monclair pants for some reason right now. You probably worked out in them. No. No, no, no, no. I got to take a shower before I do interviews in here. But I don't know. Just in general, I feel like when, like, because we all know mad people who are millionaires. Like, if you go to clubs and shit, you'll see a million dudes.

They're 50 years old. They're millionaires. They pay bitches to stand around. with them, et cetera. But ultimately, like, they got to rock all this shit because otherwise, nobody would look twice at them. Nobody would ever think, oh, maybe this guy has money. But then he throws on a Gucci track suit and all of a sudden people think, oh, this guy got money. Right, right. It's just a sad state of affairs sometimes.

So it's interesting because I think it's kind of goofy, right? You know, I've been making money for a long time. So it's not, it's nothing to me. It's something, but it's not like, hey, everybody, look at me. If I have some fly shit, it's because I really fucking like it you know so you know it's interesting but when I like when I was young I used to think like when I see the old dude in a Lambeau or whatever I'm like fuck that I want to be young driving that shit yeah so I always had a certain it's interesting bro like when you when I experience certain things in life or see these things I got it that I like I got to have it I figure out a way to get

it you know I mean it used to not be the right way that I was getting things but I still got it. And I never, that drive has never left me, you know what I'm saying? What's your attitude on women at this point in your life? In terms of what? In terms of how you approach them? Like what do you think your best setup is in terms of, do you like being in a committed relationship?

Do you prefer to, you know, have a roster going? Well, I believe I prefer a committed loving relationship. I'm Polly, so typically my relationships is multiple women. but it's ethical. It's no, I'm not lying to the one. I'm not doing anything by my woman's back. So they feel comfortable. They feel safe, you know what I mean?

So, because the reality of the situation is this. Like, typically, I'm not saying always, but typically a man is as faithful as his options. You know what I mean? So I have friends that are also very successful, good-looking dudes that's good with one. You know what I'm saying? But most people are not.

Most people want some variety, you know? I am no different than most people. I want variety. However, I don't, I want love to. I love loving someone hard and 100% and them giving it back to me. Not that broken love that, because I've done that before to have cheated,

get her back, it ain't the same. You know guys who are in relationships where they cheat all the time, they got domestic violence going on when the chick finds out, they're screaming each other's face, throwing clothes off the balcony. See, I like to like,

the people that I fuck with that I love, I wanna be a person that brings value to their lives in whatever way, especially a woman, even if it don't work out, I wanna be a good example of a man, you know what I'm saying? They'd be like, well, fuck, he was real, he never lied to me about these bitches and, you know what I'm saying? And I'll never like, like, cause girls are like,

one time, I used to not like put my private anything out there, right? So I did fresh and fit in their community, Look, I didn't know what their thing was. I didn't know anything about red pill, manosphere, none of that shit. Was this a couple years ago when you did it? No, this was last year. Okay. We did, they came on mine.

I can't run on this, a lot of debating. So I did their first one, and they're asking me about girls, and I'm just saying my normal shit. Like, nice shit. I didn't know what it was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing. Only time I heard red pill was the Matrix, you know what I'm saying? So I noticed, like, later I'm looking at the comments,

and motherfuckers going in on me. He's a sim. He's a this. Because you didn't say anything about being polyamorous. You just said... Yeah, just love. Right. Yeah.

And they very much don't appreciate that. Right. Well, they do fresh and fit. Right, right. Their community don't. Yeah, yeah. Well, they just don't know. You know what?

They can't know. Right? So I'm like, this is weird. What? Me? I wish y'all would say that shit to me. You know what I'm saying? Right.

So, all right. So then they come to Cali. They do mine. And we just fucking. fighting debating it was healthy healthy dialogue you know what I'm saying so go back to theirs and this time my for no I think they did my twice they did once with just them and then another one mr. organic and then I went out there I'm like I'm gonna fuck all your eyes up I took both girls on so and we talked

about it right so the night show they had a bunch of girls on all asking questions so and academics was on there too so every girl they asked would you do would you be in a polyamorous situation like especially mine like just me and the women and it's just me they don't do anything outside of this right so everybody was like no right by the end of the night they asked the questions again everybody like yeah I mean it sounds great you know I'm saying right because when it's when you're a mature person and I've I've touched on all facets of life I've never had a problem getting girls so that's not a focus of mine you know what I'm saying And I'm a confident person, so I'm not girl crazy for one.

So, and I, listen, I have really good women in my family that I love and I respect and I appreciate. I love being around women, you know what I'm saying? Even in a plutonic situation, I'd rather ride with girls than guys. Because shit, girls are stand up for you, you know what I'm saying? Right. So I'm explaining everything in a very normal and rational way. My girls are smart and they're hot. They're not like, you would expect girls.

to be in that situation to be bimbos, you know what I'm saying? And they're not, you feel me? And they're attractive. So all that gives more credibility to the situation. And all other girls are like, I get it. I get cheated on it all the fucking time. It sucks. And like, if I wasn't in a position to comfortably take care of my women,

I wouldn't be trying to have all these women. You know what I'm saying? So if you're going to have a woman, do you feel like you should be paying her living expenses to some extent? Yeah. if we're really together. Right. If I'm with somebody and I'm really with somebody,

I'll pay you your whole life. Like, it don't. But I got to know that you're really down. I don't come at girls like, yo, I got this. I don't do none of that shit. You ain't get nothing out of me. You know what I'm saying?

Right. I remember one time a girl came out. I flew her out from Costa Rica to chill. And we had to go to the mall to get a shirt for dinner. She picked up a bikini. And she was like, so when are you going to spoil me? I was like, what? she said, spoil me.

I'm like, what do you mean? Like, shop. She got uncomfortable, right? So I'm like, oh, this is one of those. Because that shit don't happen to me. Girls don't come in me like that. So I'm like, wow, so okay, is that what normally happens? I said, I don't do that.

I'm not getting you anything. You got a nice flight out here. You got a nice suite. And we're going to have fun. That's it. So we get to talking. This is fascinating to me. So look, I'm not the type of person that shut shit down.

I want to, when people say wild shit, I want to know more. I want to see how they got to that. You know what I'm saying? So we're talking, going back and forth. And I was like, yeah, the more I'm listening to her and going back and forth, I'm like, yeah, it's kind of weird now. Right. She's like, is it, is the, is the vibe gone? Like, kind of, you know what I'm saying?

Right. So I dropped her back off. You know what I mean? At the airport or at the hotel? No, no, at her hotel. and we went to dinner and all that shit but that was it I was so not interested after that

Really? See I'm gonna be real with you I have I did not have any money When I started my current relationship So I have no idea what it's like to be single With a significant amount of money Like where a girl can tell you're a millionaire And what they try to get out of you Because my whole time that I was single

I would like take a girl to dinner And they would always act like This was like some fancy ass shit Like I'm bawling because I just spent like a hundred bucks on dinner and to me, you know, I had money, but not like that, you know? So 100 bucks for dinner is cool, but I wasn't like bawling out. Like no girl ever asked me to buy her a bag or get a table at the club or anything like that. This is the first time that's ever happened to me. I don't.

Really? It was so weird. You know what I'm saying? And I think that I don't carry myself like that guy. Right. Like, hey, baby, I got this. That's just stupid. Because a lot of dudes, that's like their hobby.

They get real used to it and they like the feeling of kind of having that control over a way. woman and especially these like crazy rich basketball guys sometimes i'll hear about them having a different chick in every city that they have games in so they they pay her living expenses and they basically like you know realistically the chick's probably fucking whoever she feels like fucking but they have the idea in their head that they got the situation when they're in cleveland and you know i'm not with that i'm not with those vibes that's a lot of work i think yeah first that part i don't want a phone with 20 different chicks and i got my my chick from ohio hit me today my chick from new jersey She hit me the next day.

That's just a lot. There's a lot to keep up with it. Yeah, dude. But my thing is like I'd rather be consolidated, concise, and we just know what's going on. And I'm not trying to have a chicken every, it just come with me. Right.

Or meet somebody here's, fill out the vibe, whatever, but nah, I'm not that guy. See, when me and my girl met, we would just have threesome with girls randomly and she would find girls on Instagram and have them come over the crib and hook up, whatever. And then over time, that kind of turned into us being like, well as long as we're going to take an hour or two out of our day to have some girl come over and hook up,

why don't we just make content out of it and make a fucking only fan so that people could see it? So now it creates kind of a weird scenario where I don't almost ever fuck a girl with my girl unless we're filming it. You know, it happens a few times, once in a blue moon, but for the most part, we don't really do it because now it doesn't even, like why wouldn't we pull our phone out when the amount of money that we can make off of this shit is just ridiculous, you know? And it's kind of made me realize that I don't aspire to have a bunch of different emotional connections with women. Like I used to. You know, I used to kind of like that. I like the idea of having 10 different chicks I'm talking to and maybe I fucking once a month or whatever.

But I like the idea of just having all of these little connections going. And now I actually feel totally comfortable, just only having an emotional connection with one person and then having this sort of arena that I'm able to go into and be able to, in this sort of controlled environment where I don't have to think about any of the shit that people normally have to worry about when they're fucking some random girl for the first time. Interesting. Typically, when I'm courting somebody, you know, I let them know everything up front. I don't want to lock you in and then, hey, by the way, you know what I'm saying?

And they usually are like, they don't want me to have an emotional attachment to someone else. They're like, well, why don't we hook up with girls? But my thing is, I don't want to work condoms, so I don't want to be fucking a bunch of girls or making everybody get tested. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather find somebody so we could just, you know what I'm saying? Focus on us.

That's the best thing about doing this content is that legally they have to be tested. So once you got a girl on scene, you know that she's good, even though I have got SDDs from that exact situation because sometimes they just be fucking other people before, like right after they get tested and shit. But for the most part, it's like the cleanest environment

you could hope for, which is nice. You remember like in the 70s? They didn't have a name. They just had to clap. Yeah. That was it. That's the worst or get somebody pregnant. Right.

Now you get shit that don't go away. Well, they got AIDS. That too. Pretty unlikely though, right? And then that hurts. So I was reading, it's funny, because that shit terrify me, because that's... AIDS came when I was a kid, and I'm like, when you're a kid, everything scares you or you or it scared me. I grew up thinking that if I had sex without a condom, I was going to get AIDS and die.

Bro, when I was like 20, I smashed a porn chick, right? And I remember looking down. and some of the condom was rolled up. So some, you know, I was exposed. I was so fucking scared. Same. When I was 20, I fucked a girl and the condom broke. I don't even think I netted in her.

I think I just fucked it without a condom. And the next day, I'm texting her freaking out, thinking that I might have AIDS. And she's like, like, I'm scaring the fuck out of her because she's a normal-ass chick from Texas, not thinking that there's any possibility that anything like this could happen to her. And then she got me tweaking out.

I saw AIDS commercial on TV, so I'm thinking I might have AIDS. Oh, man. Yo, it's crazy. It's crazy how magic is healthier than everybody. Yeah, right? What is it going on with him? Is this, you know, I mean, I feel like it's so much research. It's impossible.

You can't tell me, and I like science. I love that shit, right? You can't tell me they haven't figured that shit out by now. I mean, I think they figured it out not to the point of you not being able to get it, but to the point where they can kind of control all the everything around. Now you take one pill, you're good forever. One pill a day. Right, right, right.

And you can't spread it. Yeah. But here, this is interesting I was reading. I'm like, how does his wife not get it? So for whatever reason, it's very difficult for a woman to get it from a man vaginally. Because it's mostly spread through blood. That's why gay people get it so much just because they're fucking each other in the ass. It's an asshole disease, really.

Yeah. So when people was like, that's a gay disease, it literally is. I know. And people got so much trouble for saying that in the 90s and shit. Right, but it is. You know what I'm saying? Because now it almost is. and some really fucked up shit is that I've read some studies that they've done where they basically go incognito on the gay dating apps and they try to figure out because like it's AIDS is so common in the community that they'll like have it right in their bio and then there's a whole community of guys who want to have unprotected sex with other guys with AIDS and so they've done the sort of undercover shit of realizing that a huge percentage of dudes on those services are down and are like out there spreading it's crazy celebrate the process um just like we just we hear

fuck it. I'm not sure exactly. But it's also like there's another drug that you can be on that I think makes it almost impossible for you to get it. Oh. So that's like a whole part of, yeah, I'm not taking that drug. Because it's just sex. Yeah, right? I don't want to, if I died having sex, whatever, but I don't want to die because I was fucking

dirty bitches. You know what a way to go, bro. It's a scandalous way. Look, I feel like how my grandfather passed away, that's how I want to die. It's an honorable death. He lived a long, successful life. successful marriage. He did so much for all of us

and he passed away peacefully in his favorite, sleeping in his favorite chair at home with my grandmother in another room. His favorite lady there. You know what I'm saying? That's how I want to die. I respect that. Both of them. Definitely. Yeah, that's it. Man, if I die sliding on my ops, that's one thing. If I die from a dirty

bitch. That's facts. No, thank you. Do you be sliding on your ops? I don't, but I would like to leave the door open that maybe I could in the future. You know it's interesting something I want to do. I don't want to do, but I would like to do. I'm not aspiring to do this, but if I ever have ops again,

I want to slap, slap them. Have you ever slapped a man? I don't think so, no. Yeah, I never slapped a person before. I want to slap somebody. Right. Yeah. Can we get the AC on?

I don't know why it's a goal of mine. Right. No, yeah, but I mean, that's kind of the problem is that these days, when you have ops, it's like damn near some fucking Middle East shit where all of a sudden, like, they're not letting you get within 500 feet of them without having the gun on them.

Yeah, that's true. It's always a way. It's always a way. How do you treat people that you don't like when you're around them? Yeah, it was like the vast majority of the time when I have somebody that I don't like, I just don't talk to them and just basically ignore them because what the fuck kind of, what reason do I? Unless I want to be cool with them again at some point in the future, it's kind of like,

why do I even have any reason to engage in this at all? And then, yeah, I am kind of a pussy sometimes because there'll be somebody around that I don't like and I'll just kind of ignore them, you know? I don't like bring it to their face and confront them. Yeah, that's not necessary. But I got tactics and I like, look, I'm a nice person. I'm a very loving person, right? But I look at love and hate as the same energy.

It's just where is it out on the spectrum? How are you going to articulate that energy? So as great as a guy I am and how loving I can be, I can be that much hateful as well. I'm aware of this. So when it's like when I'm dealing with people I don't like, it's got to be a legitimate reason why I don't like them. It's typically because they fuck me over

or someone that I care about, right? Or there's just a person of really fucked up character. Now, what's weird to me is if it's not cool, they know it. Like, I don't hold my tongue. Right. I am pro-confrontation, right? Not saying a fight. I think that's barbaric.

Right. But we could talk about it. You know what I'm saying? So they're going to know where I stand. But it's weird when they try to shake my hand still. Like, they see me. It just happened two weeks ago. Right.

A guy came in. I don't like him. He knows I don't like him. I've called him every kind of name in the book, right? I don't respect him. And he walks in. He comes in my office to see somebody else for something. And I'm in and out.

So he is assumed that it's not likely I'd be there at that time. I was there. I was like, oh, hey. So he tried to shake my hand. So shake my hand, I'm going to show me out there. Oh, with the left. Ooh. And then what did you do?

Walk him out of the office? I said, how you doing? I call him a name, like a nice name. Right. Yeah, I call him a stay-at-home dad. Really? He's a stay-at-home dad. Specific allegation?

Yeah. He's going to know that you're talking about him when he sees it? I want him to know. I love that shit. It is what it is, bro. Maybe I need to grow out of this, but I want people who I think are evil to be uncomfortable around me. Right. I want them to be uncomfortable.

Well, you see how some people have that kind of energy for their opposition in the sense of like, you know, I've seen people who maybe they fire an employee. And then that employee goes to work behind the scenes, shitting on them at every fucking possible turn, trying to spread bad information about them or whatever. And I feel like that kind of stuff is sort of standard in Hollywood and entertainment and shit. That that's how people will get revenge on each other. It's not like they're going to just walk up to your face and say, hey, I think you're a bitch in the club. nah they're gonna go behind the scenes and every person that they meet they're gonna try to spread some narrative about it and i've had people try to do it to me where people just hit me up like over and over and over like yeah that guy said that this this and this about you i don't know why

the fuck he thought that i was a good audience to be saying that about you too and i'm just like but again i'm hollywood because instead of showing up at the person's door to be like hey why you're talking bad about me i just said yeah whatever they're gonna wear it don't wrong with that that hurts them too there's so many tactics Um, there's times when people will make videos about me on YouTube and I'm just like, and they'd be completely wrong, right? The shit that they're trying to say or allege. And I'm just like, there's no way I would utter this person's name. Mm-hmm. Because that's what they want. Right. I'm not giving them no like, I don't, I'd be, I be praying that I run into them somewhere. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna ever go out of my way to do that. But if I do, we're gonna have a nice conversation. Right. But I would never, I think it's so scummy to sit and make a whole way. video talking about somebody you don't know and you're wrong, but that's how you're making money. You should thank that person for being interesting enough for you to have something to talk about.

And from a real journalist perspective, you're supposed to reach out to the person that you're writing about. Like even if the Newer Times was going to write an article about you, even if the purpose of the article was to say, Mike is the biggest piece of shit and he did this, this and this, is still considered appropriate and necessary for them to reach out to you and try to get statements about whatever. Yeah, so they can spin your words. That true, but like the vast majority of YouTubers are not giving that to the people that are covering. Are they journalists? I hear a lot of people saying that, you know, us is journalists. I hear a lot of that nowadays.

You know what I mean? I think there's a lot that most YouTubers are not doing that journalists actually are doing. And we might be able to say like that there aren't many modern journalists who are respectable left. But the standard for them publishing information in the New York Times about you is a very different standard than what you can get away. way with saying on YouTube where to get a video removed off YouTube you basically have to be saying something that's like a straight up conspiracy theory or hate speech or something like that whereas for the New York Times or the Washington Post to write so-and-so is a bad guy it has to like kind of clear a bar of that seeming factually accurate right right I don't even try like I remember back in the day when I first started I'd be like I was with full screen and I would ask my rep yo how do I get this shit taken down but no back then it was more like people re-uploading my videos

you know what I'm saying and they were like it's the internet you know what I'm saying once you put it out there it's out there he says they won't get paid on it but at least there's more people

knowing about you right okay I get it but then as I as time go on as I became more successful then it comes with the slander and all of that shit so I became a target and plus I'm confident

and people don't like people don't like strong confident people you know I think it's weird I love confident people strong people even with Donald Trump one I was like that was some dope ass shit like he maybe he was strong and confident in a

way yeah I mean I don't care about politics so this that shit bothers me right but I'm like yo I really admire his fucking his power his strength you know what part of it is is that if you're a strong confident person who's presenting that to the world there's going to be a significant percentage of people online who are just going to want to poke holes in that yeah if you present yourself as being somebody who's flawed like it like if you were to say, listen, I used to be a heroin addict. And now look at me, I made it here. It's going to be a lot less people trying to poke holes in your story because you're kind of admitting that you are flawed right there. But then when you see somebody come out like Andrew Tate or the liver

king or whoever, who are really not giving you anything negative about themselves, they then will then try to hone in on anything negative that they can say, whether it's you got arrested for this or I don't believe you about this, this, this and this, you know? Yeah, that's what that's what people do. what do you think about what's going on with all the censorship? You know, it's just bizarre to me because let's say, let's say Andrew Tate, for instance, I'm like, I get it, I get it, right? And he's also, you know, he's using a certain degree of hyperbole to make it more appealing, make it more exciting for people to tap in.

Right. Okay. I don't see any misogynist rhetoric personally. I've yet to see it either. And I've looked for it and I'm trying to get people to guide me in that direction, but I don't see a lot. So if it is, though, is that illegal? Right. It's not illegal.

If the worst thing that he can be proven to have done is basically having said like, oh, girls are dumb or like guys should be in control in a relationship, that kind of thing. I mean, okay. I think YouTube should be an open place for people who want to have those kinds of opinions. But masogynies is to show hatred for women. Right. He's not doing that. Yeah. He seems like he loves women.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, but if someone, you know, I hate women. I don't, so I know somebody gonna chop that up. Right. I don't, I love women, motherfuckers. But if someone hates women, that's not illegal to hate somebody. You know what I'm saying? Like, there are things that we all could agree that people should get their YouTube channels taken away for.

Like, if you were, like, I don't want to live in a world in which anybody who's in the Ku Klux Klan gets to start a YouTube channel and just make vlogs. I don't mind. You don't mind. You don't mind. But I do. But I respect that YouTube doesn't feel like it's their obligation to have those. people on their platform because otherwise let's be real if that stuff was allowed then you would have massive communities of white supremacists gathering on youtube to make content oh yeah because it was

like that before they started taking them down i don't think they're savvy enough to have all of this shit you know what i'm saying there be it's camera phone vibes but if youtube was being used for them to mobilize and create this community then i think that you would be amazed at how much more organized the white power movement would actually be if they were able to use these platforms freely i'm gonna use some pushback All right, think about it. Like, I think, and I get a lot of heat for my own community because my views are not the standard views on like racism,

this and a third, right? You know, me and my brother shout out to Fahim, that's my bro. We were having a conversation and I was saying like, and it was on YouTube and people took this clip and ran with it, but I said, the question was, do I like black people more than white people?

I said, do I, this is the clip. Do I like black people more than white people? No. I said, I don't like black people or white people. I don't like anybody. I like people I know. And what I mean meant by that, because nobody wants to know context, right?

I don't like anybody arbitrarily because of how they look or dislike anybody arbitrarily because of how they look. I like people if they're cool. I'm saying? It's people with my family I don't like. You feel of me? So I like people if they're good people,

they're people of character. And that's how I judge people. I can't say that I'm going to, just look out for XYZ just because they look like me. You know what I'm saying? So I hate how normalized it is to basically just have to be an advocate on behalf of your marginalized group and that that has to become a huge part of your identity and your existence because I would much rather live in a world in which everybody

kind of like went out of their way to not acknowledge their group when they make a statement. Like I hate when there's a real argument happening about an ethical issue. And then somebody says, well, I'm a black man, so I feel this way. Right. Your personal status should not have anything to do with what's right or wrong in this conversation. The fact that I'm white or the fact that you're black, we should be able to have the conversation regardless of that. Right. Now, here's the thing now.

Now, I don't deny that it's a lot of bullshit going on, right? We have a history of institutional racism. It's a fact, right? It's deeply embedded in the consciousness of a lot of people, you know what I'm saying? But it's not in a lot of people, you feel me? I have friends across the board, and, you know, I don't think that inherently anybody is good or bad. I don't. I don't put all the heat on, they're going to get mad at this, on white people during times of colonization.

Because it was black people selling other blacks into slavery. However, they were not aware of the brutal nature of slavery from Africa. You know what I'm saying? So I give them a pass on that. However, it was a business. It was an economy, right? And I can't be mad at see, I'm not one like, yo, y'all always, no, I think reparations is a valid conversation that need to be at or real conversation because it's a lot of shit. Like I love history and I dive deep into history. I never I never subscribe to any fucking concepts or no. that's just put out there in society. I do my own research. Right. And it's a lot of egregious shit, right? Well, think about it, like a lot of people who look like us, a lot of black people might say,

to me, you enslaved us. Right. So there's like hundreds and hundreds of years removed from this actual crime that, of course, I'm not trying to disparage this or act like this was in any way okay. But the idea that I should be held accountable because of my skin color for something that realistically, not my ancestors, people who, yes, maybe have the same skin tone as me who lived in this country hundreds of years ago

that realistically I'm not related to in any way. The idea that I should be held accountable, I mean, clearly I should not be held accountable for the sins of my father, right? If my dad murdered three people, nobody would be wise to look at me and think that I'm guilty for what my father did. And it's just like so many people waste so much time

on this kind of thing. And it's like, yes, the remnants of slavery, and racism are very real and racism is very much alive today in many contexts but a lot of people just waste a lot of fucking energy on trying to like fit themselves into these victim groups that they realistically have almost nothing to do with but and also this is this is further like i've done my ancestry right on my mother's side my mother's side of the family is from georgia i assume that there's slavery and it's not i went all the way back right i haven't done my father's side because they're not from America so it's harder to trace.

Right. But I can say, as far as I know, I have no slavery lineage. And I've done extensive research on the matter on the subject. A lot of black people in this country were not here via the transatlantic slave trade. Okay. So indigenous people of what they used to call Turtle Island or America were black. So when we see like, well, what we consider black, dark-skinned people. Native Americans, but people that we would have thought.

basically looked black? Correct. Okay. A good portion of them. Now, they had what was called mulatto, and people could look this shit up. Mulatto Indians were like the ones mixed with Spaniards or British. You know what I'm saying?

So they were lighter and some people keep getting washing the cycle. More whites, more whites, more whites, more whites. They're going to become like straight hair. You know what I'm saying? But a lot of them were black. Now, here's the thing. This is interesting. I'm curious of what you feel about this.

One night, we all go out and, group of people at my house afterwards. And there was two white girls there, and they were like, they were smashed. And, you know, when people were drunk, they say the real shit, right? Yeah. And they were like, y'all are so cool. Why do white guys hate you guys so much? I'm like, it's interesting.

You know what I'm saying? Now, when you take it back to like slavery days, right? You know, there was weird things that the managers of plantations used to do, right, to black men. They would mutilate our genitalia. shit like that, right? You know, they would make, the only thing we were allowed

or black people would allow was marriage, right? But they would fuck your wife. Wow, yeah. While you watched, right? So it's like, why this? And then when we were, quote unquote, emancipated, there was a group of laws that could put us right back in slavery

called Black Code. And all of this shit had to do with black men and white women. Do not compliment a white woman, do not whistle at a white woman, and do not offer the light the cigarette of a white weird shit bro i'm like why that you know what i'm saying and i feel like it was some kind of insecurity they see us out here you know what i'm saying muscular whatever and you know i felt like it was some form of uh of a inferiority complex you know

i'm saying another another thing like porn you're in porn industry kind of right you know i know i know girls that do porn and they always say like yo if you do scenes with a black guy you get knocked down you don't get paid as much yeah I mean I've heard that but then also I feel like that's kind of on the way out like I feel like there's only a tiny percentage of girls that don't shoot with black guys at this point I feel like the vast majority of the market that's what they want to see so I don't I don't know the current status of that stigma although I understand it's still a thing to some extent right right but things get better right so I think humans over time get smarter and become better people

that's why slavery doesn't exist anymore you know it was a time that people I mean, most white people didn't have slaves. People were poor, too. And there was a lot of white slaves. You know what some people don't know this shit. But the ones that did have slaves and the ones that turned a blind eye to it, eventually they're like, yo, this is not cool. It's so fascinating to think about the fact that America, you know,

the one thing that our country had a civil war about was this topic. Correct. And that thousands of thousands of people killed each other for the war. and mostly white people versus white people over the war of ideas. That's such a fascinating concept, you know? That's the broad, that's the story told to the macro. Right, and I'm sure it's much, much more complicated. But the story to the micro is a little bit different, right?

And it makes sense in that time for those people. So let's say Abraham Lincoln, people always say that he was the great emancipator of black people in this country. Yeah, but it wasn't because he gave a fuck about slavery. and he's written, like, I don't really care if they're slaves or not. I just don't want them motherfuckers down to getting all that free labor. You know what I'm saying? Because a slave don't benefit us in the North, you know what I'm saying? So it was more of them trying to even the plan feel, you know what I'm saying?

Because at the time the South was getting so much money, they was trying to, like, be their own country, right? But that's an example of how these simplified narratives sort of take hold. Because if we lived back then, if information was not as streamlined as it is now, gay people, would be going around saying Barack Obama made it legal for us to get married. And the reality is, is that the whole early part of his career, he was saying that he didn't believe the gay people should be able to get married. And then once it was politically convenient and the masses seemed to agree with him, then he pushed that shit through.

The thing is, is that we have Twitter. So we know exactly how this played out. Whereas the simplified narrative of, like, Abraham Lincoln fixed slavery is like, there was no communication at that size. So it's kind of easy for that simplified narrative to go. people to celebrate that. I'm like, fuck that. Yeah.

Fuck it. I don't, it's not fucking, I don't give a fuck. Right. What I do respect though is the founding fathers of the Constitution, the way that they wrote the Constitution, the framework of this country was created with enough headspace that at a time when women had no rights, black people, there were animals, whatever, shit, everybody's pretty much on an even plan field. And a fucking person can turn into another gender if they want to, you know what I think

it's weird, but I think it's cool that if that's what they want to do, they could do it. You know what I'm saying? How you feel about all of that shit? Well, I want to say first that the woman getting drunk and saying, oh, I don't know why white guys hate you. I don't know that I've really known any white guys in my life who would have actually said that they hated white people. Like, sometimes I feel like through me being so connected to hip hop, even when I was much

younger, it was just obvious that that was what I was into, that I've really been shielded from a lot of the really blatant racism because people just realize. that I wasn't going to be a captive audience to it. It's like when you do Coke, people just start offering you Coke all the time. They could smell it on you. They know you do Coke. So it's like you're in the secret club. Everybody's going to offer you Coke.

You're in a club? I used to be. And when I was, people could smell it on me. And I would be at the bar and they'd say, let's go on the bathroom. Was that a dope club? The black or the Coke Club. At the time, there was a lot of bonding going on within that club for sure. You create like very strong friendships when you're sort of like doing this shit that makes you feel like you're experiencing the most ecstatic, you know, pleasant experience of your life, even though it goes away relatively quickly.

Or even if you're with somebody and you're sort of experiencing that decline where your dopamine is crashing down. It's like there's something about that that will really make you closer to a person. But I'm saying like the racism shit is kind of like that. Where if you can tell that somebody's not going to flip out on you for saying something racist, then there's a lot of people that will. will choose to let it loose. Whereas anybody within their right mind, if they were to have a conversation with, they're never going to say anything racist.

They know I've got a million black people I'm associated with, I'm friends with, you know? Yeah, I'm sure you're in a bubble. And as a white man, you're in a bubble of white men that don't give a fuck about that shit. And I try not to let that, like, color my impression of how people are on average.

But I will say that even just growing up on the East Coast, that even at that time, like, my parents, from the very beginning were like, everybody's the same. Your race doesn't mean shit about. you're not better than a Jewish person or a black person like my parents were just on that from day one so I never really would have been able to have any of those kind of views without at least getting a shillot of pushback from my parents yeah see we never had those conversations per se

I grew up in Brooklyn and it's super diverse so I was in best die at first and it was just blacks and Puerto Ricans it was no reason to say oh white people or this or that it was just not not talked about but then I moved to kanasi and there's a lot of Jewish people right and no one really considered them white you know what I'm saying because in New York in Brooklyn they're a different species altogether because they wear the dress completely different they talk a different language you know what I'm saying so it really hit me when I moved away for for college I went to Arizona State right and as I'm going out there I'm a very like I've always been the same my study shit I was research shit right I wanted to know what I was getting myself into you got my food at the door

real quick sorry a good chick filet I want to know what I was getting myself into and I'm seeing like, oh, skinheads drag type of black kid, drag them behind, the pickup truck, kill him. I was like getting turned out. You saw that at college? No, no, no. I read about it before I moved to Arizona. Oh, shit, okay.

So I'm like, okay, that's where it's at. It's in a predominantly white place, right? So I'm one edge, you know what I'm saying? I'm young. I'm young, like aggressive because I started boxing at a young age. So, and I'm not just that, but. We was aggressive growing up. Like, in Brooklyn, New York is overcrowded.

It's hard living. It's cold. You got to really fucking claw and fight to get hurt or seen or get what you need. You know what I'm saying? Brooklyn produces the opposite kind of kids that the rest of America produces, honestly, because you've got to be so fucking tough to survive in that environment that it just teaches you incredible coping mechanisms. Correct.

It's not like that now. You don't think anymore? It's a different place now. It's a different place now. But anyway, I grew up in the, I grew up during the crime wave, the New York City crowd wave. New York was bad, right? But anyway, I'm glad that I made it out of that.

But getting out to Arizona, I was on, I was like, okay. So if I saw a white dude like that looked like you, I would assume you was a skinhead because I didn't know any better. I was ignorant. So I remember sitting by a guy on the bus, he looked like you, but he had, he literally had a Hitler tattoo on this. But I was like, that's great. I'm gonna sit right next to him.

You know what I'm saying? staring at him, right? And he's acting like he don't see me staring at him. And then he looks over. He's like, hey, what's up, buddy? I was like, don't say that shit to me. What's up with that shit? I pointed his arm.

He's like, oh, man, that's old. That's old. I said, you a bitch. I'm trying to antagonize him because I want to fight. You know what I'm saying? And I got called nigger twice at school at college. Neither time did it bother me. It did not hurt my feelings at all.

But I had to do, I had to do what I felt. I felt like I had to do it. Like, oh, great, here I come. You know what I'm saying? So he didn't actually say anything aggressive to you? He was being a pussy, but then, oh, but you didn't fight him? No, I love him. Okay, this was before.

Yeah, you got to do something, some kind of aggression. Right. But back then, I thought it would be justifiable to sock this dude up for calling me a nigga. You know what I'm saying? Twice. And I did, you know what I mean? Didn't feel no way about it, you know? But as I got older, I'm like, how, that's fucking stupid.

You know what I'm saying? You're going around looking for trouble, for one. right racism first of all racism that kind of racism is such low-level shit it's poverty mindset state type of people right and it typically don't stand up in person right that them guys that said it was drunk as fuck you know what so it's like why would you why are you gonna go out outside of your character because somebody called you a name a word you know what so i decided to divorce myself from that and that shit don't bother if a white boy call me me nigger, I'm gonna call him a nigga.

Oh, you're a nigga? I'm gonna flip it, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't bother me, don't hurt my feelings. It's weird because growing up, I would go to a lot of punk and hardcore shows, right? And like, on the East Coast, we all knew that there are Nazis and there are skinheads, but you would never see him. That wasn't punk a Nazi thing? It was, it has always had, like, a Nazi contingent within it, you know?

But I would say that the vast majority of punk has always been, like, very anti-racist, you know? Right. If you go to metal is where you could find a bit more. people who are like kind of willingly being racist together i think but you know we always knew that and there was always like crews and like basically almost gangs of people in the scene of punk and shit that were basically like if somebody comes to this show and they got a swastika on their shirt we're gonna beat the dog shit out of them until they're scared to come back and i seen it happen many times where somebody would try to come and fuck around and that was always the mentality and i i can get

behind that mentality because realistically if you're some 18 year old jewish girl who just came to see her favorite band and you've got to sit in the corner and look at this guy wearing a swastick on his shirt and I'm your friend and I fuck with you and I'm going to let this guy be in this building and make you feel uncomfortable and I do think that it's it's prudent to take some sort of violent action against that person or that's how I was at the time at the least I'm with that I'm not against violence you know let me not say that I am against violence I think that should be the last resort you know what I'm saying I was interviewing this rapper ASM bopster the other day on here who's from LA, he's a gang member, and I asked him, I said, if you see a skinhead, do you feel like

you got to fade him? And he was basically like, nah. And this is a dude who realistically, like, his neighborhood has been at war with other neighborhoods in LA for years and years, black dudes killing each other. And for some reason, the dude who basically his entire ideological system is based on the idea that you are inferior to him, that he does not seem worthy of a fade. And I feel like that's kind of very, very telling about what the gang shit has turned into as opposed to in a prior era gang making might have been we beat up Nazis and that's it. Maybe he's been to the joint. I've been to the joint. It's very racial.

However, nobody's tripping on each other unless it's an issue. You know what I'm saying? So we all coexist. As long as no issue is all good. Matter of fact, I was here. I was in L.A. And I had to be moved to Arizona. and they were trying to invoke the politics.

I'm like, no thanks. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. Like, I just came from LA, bro. This is not politics. And so my sely was a white dude. And that night I got there, we just talked. He was a cool-ass dude. So in the morning, he had a meeting, the woods had a meeting.

And he's like, hey, bro, I'm just let you know that anything pop off, they're going to jump you. I said, cool, thank you. It didn't bother me. I'm like, I'm just, Please jump me. You know what I'm just always down for like I'm a person that rise to the occasion. I need a formidable opposition to be great. You feel?

So I'm like I'm not worried about that shit at all. So never any drama. The first Friday there, we're getting a spread made. So spread for those who don't know, it's like, you know, it's commissary day, store day. I always had them. I was like jail rich. So I had all the items. So they would come to me.

Each races would just feed their own people. you can't feed the other race. So I gave it to do the ingredients. And then he was like, how many you want? I said, bring me to and bring him to the white boy. And he was like, okay. And he did it. It was fine.

Nothing. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't a spokesperson in my dorm, but they all treated me like that because I was level-headed. They perceived me as a formidable guy, right? So, but I wasn't on no dumb shit. I treated people with respect. I didn't bother nobody.

I wasn't in no shit, you know what I'm saying? And when there was about to be like little silly wars over dumb shit, I would mitigate it. I was like, you really want to fight because he called you a bitch, but you were cheating in chess. You know what I'm saying? And dudes were really, bro, it was sad because dudes would really be like, damn, I didn't think about that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's sad, jealous, so sad because you see people who nobody gives a fuck about. Right.

You feel me? Like, I'm in there with dudes who's. when they're getting arrested, their wives change the phone number. You know what I'm saying? As soon as they get arrested? People are relieved that they're gone. Oh, man. So I'm like, yo, this shit crazy, bro.

But listen, there's a huge, huge part of the population. I'm sure you can see this on social media that are just not, they don't even try to think. Right. It's interesting. A lot of people get locked up before they are even at the point where they're able to have a logical thought process about what they want to be doing with their lives, which is the really sad shit. Like when you see the dude who killed Pop Smoke, and it's just this like teenage kid.

And it's like on one hand, you want to look at them like, oh, you are a terrible person. You're the worst person who's ever lived. You did something unspeakable. Think about how many people you fucking hurt with this one selfish, dumb crash-out action. And then the other hand, it's like, you were a fucking kid.

And what were your influences that made you think this was normal? How do you ultimately feel about that? Something like that. a child can do something like that. I mean, I think it's the kind of situation where it's easy to look at a 40-year-old guy who's a serial killer and just not feel any empathy for him. But, I mean, when you look at this young kid, you've got to be like, I mean, his brain a couple years before this was that of a pure child.

And yes, he's like maybe on the transformation to being a man. But it's, it's, you can't just look at him as an evil figure. You have to look at him as somebody who's been seriously impacted by the community that grew up in and we'll probably never know who put him up to it or who helped him get into this position or he made him think that this was normalized or whatever but and i mean we could have the same conversation with the dude who killed p and b rock who his dad apparently was the driver and infinite different situations that don't involve famous people but you know yeah i i i struggle i sit and thought on a lot of these things man over the years and my my mindset always i try to

elevate and it changes when as I grow I travel the world I deal with more people and I have more more context to life in general you know what I'm saying the first time I left the country my mindset was like man fuck America you know what I'm but as I got you know spent time in other countries I'm like yo I want to go back home yeah we got a pretty fucking good a lot of these countries are way worse than here yeah so then when you go to like you you break down certain communities and and and how people come up and they're raised, I'm like, I don't care.

I care, but I don't care. And what I mean by that is, yeah, I wish that everything was better. However, I understand life, right? And if you look at every creature on this fucking planet, every creature, it has an innate desire to, like, be comfortable to mate, reproduce, pass his jeans on

and have a place to sleep, shit, piss, fuck. You know what I'm saying? That's the ultimate thing, right? So, but we're the weird ones, humans, right? Because animals, they just get their little fucking routine, and that's it. They sleep all day. They're not thinking about kill a bunch of deer and save it, you know what I'm saying? They just kill what they need for that day and chill and sleep, you know what I'm saying?

Until someone trip up, kill a little baby, whatever. We, once we get comfortable, we want more, you know what I'm saying? And it never stops. That's why I always tell people like, yo, God is your money. I think for most people, God is their money. because there's nothing a human won't do for the right amount of money. Right. You feel me?

Let me ask you this. What were the things that you grew up thinking were normal that you now look at and think are abhorrent? Or is there anything like that? Because a lot of these young kids who grew up in gangs, literally from the time that they're becoming cognizant of the world around them, they might be being taught, oh, there's this group of guys and they wear this color and they're four or five blocks away. And if you kill one of them, then you will be a hero to our neighborhood.

Yeah. Look, I seen that. That was normal. My life was different, though. My mother was married to one of the biggest drug dealers in New York. So I was a rich kid in the beginning, right? So I was accustomed to, like, knowing this, oh, so-and-so just got murked. They just killed him, whatever.

So that was, I learned early that life is cheap. Right. Because I never heard a sentence like that growing up, and that really colors of what you think is possible or acceptable, you know? Think about being on the, I remember me and my grandmother on the train. And, you know, you would see a dude standing by the door, old lady sitting right there. As soon as they're open, he's snatcher chain. You see, my grandmother's gotten mugged.

You know what I'm saying? So this shit was normal. Like, you learned fast. Well, I learned that, yo, fuck people, fuck people up. So you don't get fucked up. Don't be a victim, you know what I'm saying? So, and then I went down to Florida to visit family, and I hated it because they live in them.

hood they live in not just the hood but the deep south Sanford that's where Trayvon Martin got killed you feel me so that that place shouldn't even be there you know what I'm saying so there and the projects where my fan was at motherfuckers got killed every day and people you know and then the dude that killed your big homie is walking around free you know what I'm saying so it was a big business on insurance like there was in the hood every day a white dude in the pickup truck I don't know why they didn't insurance guys drove pickup trucks, but they always went there doing policies with mothers, because the kids die so often.

It's egregious and it's horrifying thinking about it now, but back then it was just, that's normal. What I'm saying? So, however, I was exposed to really good education. I was in private school, right? And, you know, I was a bit of an intellectual growing up. I was always a valet Victorian honor school, honor student. I played piano, saxophone. So my mind was more broad, right?

So I understood that life is cheap, but I also understood that prison sucks, you know what I'm saying? Because my father was in prison at the early part of my life, right? So we used to go and see him. And I'm like, damn, he can't go nowhere, he can't do this? Can you go in a refrigerator? Like, we were asking all these questions, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, fuck that shit, you know what I mean? So, you know, and I've done, I had my fair share of bad decisions growing up, like, over the years.

But for some reason, I would never go but so far. far or there was something protecting me from doing too much right you feel me but I was always an authentic person so when I was in the streets I was in the streets I was making money and I was very violent you know what I'm saying come I'm that guy I had an army at one point right of goons like real soup tasters right and I would still hop out on front line you understand because I got to show them I used to think like what's stopping them from doing something to me. You know what I'm crazy as them. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's how that shit gets established ultimately.

You know, when you hear about there being like power vacuums and countries where the government has been killed and taken over and stuff and you just realize that in lieu of law and order, the biggest, baddest motherfucker who's down to kill at the quickest pace is the one who gets to be in charge, you know? Listen, listen, bro. We have like, Our country, I mean, we're the kings of this world, United States, right? We're the most violent. Yeah. I feel no qualms about that.

We have the biggest army? I feel no qualms about that. Make it bigger. You feel me? This is what this world is built on, like, society and civilization is built on violence, extreme violence, people getting wiped out. It's not nice, but it's necessary because money is God, and people will do anything for something.

certain somebody would do anything for the right amount of money. Facts. Yeah, I mean, that shit's scary. And you can justify it, bro. It's for my kids, my grandkids. Right. That makes it noble. That's why it's so hard to get the government to slow down on defense spending.

It's not. Because ultimately, and same thing with cops. When you look at what percentage of average city's budget is spent on cops is because ultimately it's almost impossible to tell, no, we need less protection for our people. That's why the defund the police shit was so crazy because it was like the first time in our history that we ever heard somebody saying like, we just don't need these guys at all.

Right. How do you feel about that? I think it's fucking insane. And I think the fact that this slogan, which was basically thought up by a bunch of far left extremists, was presented as if it was the opinion of mainstream normal black people in America

is the craziest shit. When you look at the actual polling on how black people feel about the conversation, like should the question should there be less police in your area by and large almost everybody says no they don't want that because the police are you know and and not when we say policing the policing doesn't need to mean oh there's cops barging in your fucking door but sometimes when i go to these like projects in l.a that are like the most famous ganghoods in l.A. and they got cameras on every fucking street light and sometimes dudes will even tell me like she used to be crazy as

fuck around here but now the cameras or they got this or they got you know everybody snitching yada yada now the crime just don't happen like it used to I mean that's intelligent policing that doesn't nobody's supporting like you know every black guy getting their car pulled over every time they want to drive

to work clearly there are excesses that are being done but I think the average bi person probably realizes that the police are the thing keeping them from getting their house robbed more often or whatever the case may be you know yeah I'm all about personal Sovereignty. I'm all about real freedom and if you think about if you look at like back in the day in America

There was no cops right right I mean people don't know this but police started as a means to police black people Black men freed slaves you know what I'm saying really so yeah as a fact if you look at anybody can google this shit like Police badge uh and slave patrol it's the same thing you know what they should change the shit you know me but it's literally the same little star you know I mean back then it says slave patrol now it says police there wasn't you did bounty tank it was just people like him back then right that you pay up a bounty he go and gather a criminal dead or alive whatever he get paid and that's it that really is interesting i'm sure the like early origins of what police were is really fascinating yeah yeah people will protect their own land they own shit they pop somebody it's stupid now because

here look i had a big case back in the day right because someone broke in my house and i defended my You know what I'm saying? It ain't that easy. It ain't that simple. And in California is even worse. You kind of body? Yeah. Damn.

Yeah. And you just beat it on self-defense right away? Not right away. How long it take? About eight years. Eight years sitting in jail? No, I went on the run. I didn't sit in jail.

And then how long we locked up before you went to trial? Oh, no, no. So initially it happened. I bond out. And then over time, they dropped. it without prejudice, meaning they could bring it back. Then I catch another case. I mean, I was in the streets, right?

I never got in trouble for anything. But the situation where this happened wasn't some you being in the street shit. That was like a home invasion? Yeah. Wow. So, make a long story short, and the guy was like a lifetime criminal. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, about a year later, an incident happened, right,

where somebody tried to jump me drunk, you know what I'm saying? I got one out, the other one run. I get in my whip and the security try to grab me over my car door. And I have my strap and it's legal. You know what I'm saying? No prior? I'm like, yo, the fuck out of here, whatever. You know what I'm saying? He back off. We leave. We just go down the street to another bar. I ain't think of another. It's a fight.

And we see fucking ambulance and all over-the-top shit. And the dude just bust his head open who fell, who I punched. the guys when they were taking the police part you know you get the discoveries you know all this shit and he was like look I don't want to press charges I shouldn't have been bothering him you know what I'm saying and the other guy you don't have the right to open somebody's car door however they said fuck all of that and they charge me with aga-s-so deadly weapon right so they're like oh we got them now so they bring back the other charge and that one so then they like they got me because on paper it looks horrible as bad as it gets

Right. So they rearrested me. It was over the top. Like, I'm fucking El Chapo in the middle of the street, unmarked cars, shotguns. I'm like, this is unnecessary or whatever. So they arrest me. I bond out again for that. It was a lot higher that time.

And, you know, I had a plan. Like, I'm going to fight it. I'm going to try to fight it. But, you know, me being ignorant of the system. Like, I paid my retainer for my attorney. but I had to fight a charge, not a charge, but they put me in a gang unit, right, which enhances your anything that happens by 10 years, right?

So if you did a crime as a four-year sentence, but you're classified as a gang member, it's 14 years. Now, Draco, the ruler and his brother, Ralphie, they got hit with, like, the gang enhancement on stuff like Ralphie, apparently, like, used a stolen credit card to do some purchases at the mall. And they said, like, oh, you're part of a gang, even though really the gang that he's part of

is like a rap group. Right. And then they use that to try to throw him away. So now, most people don't even know you could fight that shit, right? Right. First of all, most people tell them that, yeah, I mean, they'd be like, where you're from?

I'm from so on, so. I'm like, I'm not anything, sir. You know what I mean, nothing. And I had a crew who's rap shit, whatever, and it's not a gang. So I had a whole, trial for that alone to they had to prove that I'm in the gang that I'm a gang leader or whatever so you sit down for a long-ass time to go through all this shit I'm out oh you were out during it okay

so they couldn't it's silly it actually was eye-opening because that was my first time in a criminal anything right I had a civil case before but I was nothing probably spending a ton of money on lawyers I'll tell you so I had like money and I had enough money for a $50,000 attorney back then right which was a lot for me but that ain't shit for these big cases. You know what I'm saying? If you really want to beat that shit. Right. So at 50 grand

you get a really solid lawyer but he ain't got no connections you know what I'm saying? He don't know the tricks they're not really afraid of him right so we beat that and I was shocked at the gang detective knew nothing about gangs or street life.

I was like how the fuck is he the gang detective my lawyer beat him up that he knocked that out the part right? So I get a call like, all right, so I need another 15 round. I'm like, for what? I paid you. I didn't understand a retainer. Every time he talked to me, he's charging me.

Right. That money's getting enough. I was like, oh, shit. So I'm free, but I had an ankle brace at arm. So my business that I was partaking at the time, I put somebody else in charge to run it back, whatever, whatever, just bring me my cut. So, bro, all this pressure was on me, like, I'm nervous, right? Because I'm like, fuck, prison.

I'm talking to all my homies that's been, like, what is it like, obsessing about it? You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, fuck, okay. Just getting those information. I'm dreaming about it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm having to get back active because the guy put to run shit,

he's not doing it right. So I had to get back active. And then the people I was sending the product to on the East Coast was playing me. So typically, like I had an address, one address, I had a two, three year run, no problems. All of a sudden, it's just phone books. Because sometimes in the FedEx UPS, them guys know what's up. So they feel something like, okay, they stick something through the box and pull it out to see what's on it. So if they see, you know what I'm saying, the right thing, they'll kindly take it out, take out the contents,

put something heavy in it and deliver it to the address. and they came up you know what I'm saying so it's never happened to me I know about that happening but all of a sudden it happens I'm like damn so I'm like far out I need this money so send another package saying thing I'm like this motherfucker plan me so I had to do I had to take some I had to do some shit I did some really stupid shit I'll tell you about that later but I needed to like prove a point you am saying so then I'm like getting like fuck I'm running out of money you know saying I'm about to lose my house lost my girl like shit is just collapsing and then I get arrested again for something stupid so I had my ankle braced on so they were like so it was like some misdemeanor shit but still I

ain't supposed to have no police contact so the bond was like a thousand dollars right so I'm like yeah I post bond and the judge was like well you can post but I don't know if you want to get out you know your situation so I'm like I do it anyway I take my chances so at this point I I have been arrested before many times, but never, I bond out I'm out of there. I never even changed clothes, right? So this time, it's taking longer. It takes about 10, 12 hours to get out, right? So I'm getting moved through every little part.

This in Arizona, Maricopa County, it's a horseshoe. I don't know if you know, but Maricopa County, Dade County, and L.A. County are the three worst jails in this country. Like the conditions fucking suck. Right. So the horseshoe, you got to go all the way around. You see the judge. And after that, you still there, then they move you to your crib where you're going to be.

Yeah. So I keep getting moved. I'm like, I'm getting anxious. And they changed me out. I'm like, fuck. I never had this shit on. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm in his little tiny two-man cell before I get housed, right? And it was a dude. I didn't know him, but he knew me through my people for the street. It's cool. So he's like being cool and shit. I'm like, yo, bro, I can't talk to you right now, bro. Like stop talking to me. You know what I'm saying? Like my brain was going into a dark place. You know what I'm like? Am I? Am I like, why the fuck is? he happy you know what you see people in jail smiling you're like what the fuck is wrong with you right so so so i'm like i'm in the streets bro and i'm a person with a heart that's down to do whatever however i still had like a clean life growing up you know what i'm saying i had morals and you know what i'm saying i just was in a weird spot at the time you know what i mean so my mind went to this all right they take me in there the anybody that say anything to me i'm knocking out for no reason. I don't give a fuck. There's no logic to it. It's the stupidest shit ever, but that's, that's, I've reverted to primitive fucking behavior. Right. So I'm sitting there

like fucking hot, but because I'm thinking like, I'm going to sit in here until a trial and I'm going to fight trial and I'm running out of money. So I'm not going to have a lawyer after a while. I'm not going to see my kids because the plea was 10 years. I'm like, fuck that. The plea is 10, but the presumptive was 14. You know what I'm saying? If I blew trial. Why are they doing this to a first time offender? You know what I'm saying?

So anyway, man, at the last moment, King, roll up. Now I'm happy out of, hey, bro, stay in touch, you know what I'm out of there. So I was on pretrial, right? So pre-trial is where the court give you an ankle bracelet. Right. Not the bail bondsman. So my pre-trial, like, she's kind of like officer. she liked me she was mad cool so she was like she called me like that Monday because it's over

the weekend said I need you to come in I heard what happened I need you to come in and I'm like what's up she said I'm not going to arrest you I just got to give you another bracelet I'm like she said trust me and I decided to trust her you know what I'm saying because I'm look I've been like I said I've done all kind of grimy shit to make money no things that were outside of the scope of the law to make money. Right. But I never did foul shit to nobody. And I'm always, always been a man of my word and of character.

So if somebody give me their word, I believe it. And she said, trust me. So I trusted her. So I went down there and she didn't arrest me. She gave me another ankle bracelet like, man, I don't know what's gonna, I had court like that Friday or Thursday. I don't know what's gonna happen in court.

The prosecutor's gonna know. So just letting you know, say less. So I had a contingency plan. in place because my plan was to go to trial. And if it wasn't looking good, before the last couple days, I'm out of here. Right. But that got pushed up.

For one, I didn't have enough money to fight it without taking some stupid chances and getting caught. And for two, I'm not gonna sit in jail for trial. You know what I'm saying? Because it's impossible to really properly fight your case or get your affairs in order before you gotta sit still. Right. So I said, I'm out of here.

So I had this girl from, from here, meet me, Nazy, had on my shit ready to go. Here we go, these cars running. Out in the car, never looked back. Right. So I was gone for like seven years, you know what I'm saying? And was life tough having to be real secretive and low-key? No.

You didn't have to be all that low-key? No, I was in the beginning, because they look for you about, they look for you for about a month. Right. And just, they're at your people's cribs and sitting out there and shit like that. Then they go away. And this is what year? 2009 so it's very early social media it's not like now where everybody lives on social media yeah it's facebook so i had a facebook account that i had like a silly name that i made right just for my

family to keep in touch and then instagram came and i was i had to get a job like because i wasn't gonna hustle because people when people want to run it get caught fast you know what they're doing because they do illegal shit right so i'm like and look i was a criminal but i was smart so i research the fuck out of everything to see what I could do how could I move can I fly or whatever so and I was flying I was doing all kind of shit because you got a fake idea no I no fuck no that's that's a 10 year sentence right there I'm going to get caught at some point you know right and my thing is like try to make a bunch of fucking money having a fake idea is a 10 year sentence when you're on the run no period um identity theft is a is a 10 year sentence

these days wow yeah okay back then because I I've reached research the shit right so anyway so for my what I was charged with manslaughter it's not murder so it don't murder rape and shit with children is the highest so you're looking for you anywhere right everything else they're not is just if you do something stupid to get caught or somebody tell right so I was able to travel because there's no connection from TSA and cops right I mean I was even out the country bro you know what I'm saying that shit was scarier first because I went to Dubai

and they scanned your eyes and in jail they scanned your eyes I would like fuck Do you think this would be harder to get away with now the traveling and stuff when you go on the airplane it feels like they're gonna figure out if you're on a database

I don't I mean listen I don't think people should be going on the run you know what I'm saying but if a person got a little bit of intellect with them they can bro I could have never got caught but I was on social media.

By accident, it started blowing up. You know what I'm saying? So you got caught because you started getting views on YouTube? Bro, first of all, I started social media, this family, and then Instagram, I'm like, that shit, cool. And I was working as a personal trainer. Right. And I'm going to tell you, this was so demeaning, getting paid like $3,000 a month

when I was used to getting 30, 40, a week, you know what I'm saying? So, but I did what I had to do. So I'm working as a trainer so I will put my clients little Progress on my IG and talking about the workout because I whatever I'm into I'm all in and I only do things I really like doing right So people seeing how much I cared about it and the results was fucking sick and it was helping me get more business Social media so every now and then I put me doing a lift to doing something crazy up there and shit and people just loving that shit and the shit start going viral and then I started getting like a fucking just a fan base of cops. Cops and military dudes, you know what I'm saying?

And because they're fucking... They're like workout shit. If I wasn't like the typical black dude that's in crime and doing thug shit would be a cop if he was in a good upbringing. You know what I'm saying? Or in the military, you know what I'm saying? So because just like think about street life and military life, right? It's people that just need somebody to guide them

and give them direction. And that's what both sides are going for. And they're really doing the same type of shit. You know what I'm saying? Like military, like, eh, no different. A motherfucker growing up in the hood is just like a person going through the military. The stakes is high, high stressful. You're dealing with multiple high stress events and elements.

You're managing yourself and being cool and hot situations. You might have to take lives. You see your friend's lives die. You know what I'm saying? You're a soldier. You feel me? So it's really the same. It's just one's considered legal and one's not.

Killing legally, killing illegally. You know what I'm saying? So it's really the same, honestly. Doctors and drug dealers are all the same. You're selling drugs, you know what I'm saying? And the shit I used to sell is legal now. You know what I'm saying? So it's so weird.

Well, if you're a doctor, you're at least hoping that the drugs that you're selling people are going to help them. Whereas if you're a drug dealer, you kind of know from the get-go, like you are permanently damaging these people's bodies and minds? You think so? You think drugs damage people's bodies? If you're selling meth, yeah, you know what you're doing. Okay, meth, all right. Yeah. But then you're selling weed. It's like, whatever.

Nobody's going to really feel bad about that. You're selling Coke. It's like, we all know people who do Coke and keep it pretty manageable, and it's just a party drug. And then we know people who Coke have completely ruined their life. If I was selling Coke, I would be thinking about it 24 or seven. Drugs don't kill people, you know. Drug addiction is nuance, right?

Now, I'm very interested in drugs. It's fascinating to me, right? and I like drugs, like psychedelic drugs, right? I never touched anything until two years ago, though. Really? Yeah. So even alcohol, never fuck with nothing. I was an athlete, and then I was selling drugs,

so I'm like, I'm not going to do my shit. Great advice for drug dealers is don't do drugs. Don't do drugs. That's probably the best way you could not get caught, yeah. Especially marijuana, because you ain't going to be on point, you know what I'm saying? But anyway, I've done extensive research in a lot of this shit, and then me having a big YouTube channel, you know, I had access to a lot of people. And are you familiar with Hamilton Morris?

Sounds super familiar. He's fucking dope. He has a show on Vice. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's kind of stopped just to do chemistry. Right. But he knows a lot. We podcasted and became cool, and we talked a lot.

So I picked his brain about a lot. I've done a lot of research. And he was bringing down to me like how, like, say, the crack epidemic or opiate epidemic. He said it's not an epidemic. It's bad in certain areas. You know what I'm saying? He's speaking of opiates. He said, 90-something percent of people that do opiates

are not addicted to it. You know what I'm saying? He said, you probably did it. I said, I've never done opiates. Oh, fuck love, yeah. He said, he says, morphine. I said, be in the hospital. He said, that's heroin.

I'm like, what? Yeah, but you're doing it in a very controlled arena. And it was incredible. It felt great. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm like, can I get one more heroin? Just one more? But, you know, he's talked about how most people

that do drugs is fine. You know what I'm saying? Right. It's where, like, I guess in a Bible Belt where it's not a lot of jobs, automobile industry left people ain't got no work no social status life sucks

the best thing you have is that drug that made sense to me especially like the first time I did LSD like around that time I'm like this shit I was like mad at the government like why would they call this a schedule one so fucking ridiculous right but outside of that I remember like the next day

your trip was great it was great I'm a grown man though once I did it you know I didn't do it as a kid you know and I understood it And I understood, okay, if I'm uncomfortable, this is what's happening. So a lot of times when you talk to people who, their first acid trip story is like, oh, I took five tabs or I took it every day for a fucking week or some shit like that. That's like, oh, my God.

Like, how could you possibly have a good experience? Here's the thing. The worst thing that happened to them is they'd be uncomfortable. Yeah. And maybe do dumb shit and hurt themselves. But it doesn't hurt your body. Right. I can't overdose on that shit.

But there's a lot of people who have had really bad acid trips. Like I remember Richard Dawkins, who's somebody I really respected. intellectually at one point and he's like damn near 80 years old I think he went out and talked to all of the professors that he knew who knew the most about acid to try to make the decision of if it was a good idea for him to do it given his age and just to see what it was like and he ultimately decided that it was too much of a risk and he didn't want to do it which I can understand as a guy who's like in his 70s for sure I think if you're in your early 20s it's probably worth a shot when I'm in my 70s I'm gonna run it up I'm being all the steroids take all the drugs because I'm about to die. So let me see what it's like. Let me just go hard. But I'm a go hard person anywhere. I used to work out at this personal training gym in Beverly Hills and I would see guys

who were probably like 65, 70 years old on straight testosterone. Like weird. Your muscles do strange things when you're not actually that strong and you're on mad tests and your veins look crazy and shit. And I'll be looking at them like, I mean, honestly, you could die any fucking day now. So if this is making you happy, go. right the fuck is that's facts but it's interesting though you see young guys who ain't strong just do a bunch of fucking juice and it's weird I don't want to look strong right I want to be

strong as fuck yeah and I'm usually the smallest guy the strongest guy right I really fucking I want to be strong for me it's an addiction like feeling that heavy shit knowing I just can do that shit you know once you get into that feeling it's a great feeling my problem throughout my life has always been that I'll have these long stretches where I'm being positive I'm loving the feeling of lifting and eating good and sacrifice and discipline and not minding being hungry for an hour while you wait to get that next healthy meal and whatever. And then I just inevitably sort of lapse into these periods of time where I'm just being, you know, and it's never, it's never nothing. I'll always keep working out or I'll keep eating okay, but then I start to snack or I eat too, I order a fucking burger for for lunch instead of a salad and all this shit. And it just like the thing I've realized with myself though is that it's about the structures.

that I set up in my life surrounding list. The fact that I have a personal trainer who comes and meets up with me every day at 8 a.m. It's like I'm just not going to turn my back on that relationship that we have. You know, I'm just, I show up and I fucking do it even when I don't want to. And he's on vacation right now for two weeks

and I'm fucking up. I'm still working out, but not as consistently as I would be if he was here. Here's a thing, bro. It's like, do this. Put a piece of paper and write the word discipline and tape it on your bathroom window. I'm here.

You know what I'm saying? Do little shit. Like I used to do. anything that can help me stay on point you know what I'm saying even my merch would say like don't be a pussy because I got to look at that shit in the mirror like don't fucking be a pussy like I say these things like out for as fuck yeah I'm that motherfucker go handle that shit I really it's like this idea of this fucking awesome man in my head I do everything to be that to stay that because you could become it and then fall off I do everything to stay on that shit you know

to where my kids love me and they're proud of me my girl my friends you know what I'm saying so I'm really like motivated by by being respected and being treated a certain way my problem is is that it's easy for me to get into the mind state of losing weight and getting in good shape when there's pain there and when I and from throughout my life I've found that when I get to that like 250 260 area that's when I really start to look in the mirror and be like this has gone too far you you got to get it. get in shape. And then I inevitably will just lose like 20 pounds, get down to like an amount that I'm happy with. And then at some point, there's not enough pain there. And I just start to like look

in the mirror and I feel fine. And I think, okay, I can slip. You're a cool looking dude. You're an interesting looking character, right? I get away with being fat too. Yeah. I don't like look super fat even if I am fat. This is part of the problem. Yeah, that could be an issue for a lot of people. A lot of people are like, what are you talking about? You're not fat. And I show him my gut. They're like, Okay. All right. But you start getting your body, like, more streamlined. That shit is that, that, get to that point, Adam, do that one time.

Right. You're locked in, bro. You're fucking locked in. You feel me? Like, because me, I've always been in good shape, like, muscle, but I never ate, gave a fuck about how I ate. You know what I'm saying? And as you got older, I'm sure you had to figure that out. Well, the first time when I was in Cali and around people, like, bodybuilders and shit,

I just tried a real clean diet. in like two weeks I had abs and everything I loved it I loved it and that became my life now you know what I'm saying when you see yourself in such a light you're like fuck because bro it changes everything it changes a lot

you know I'm saying look a dude being in shape first of all there's not one thing that is the thing like just having money and shit just being in shape and shit but these things make you it just increases your stature right so much you know what I'm saying

so even if it's only one if you can only do one, at least do one. You know what I mean? Definitely. And us being in shape, us controlling our physicality, something is in our control. So a lot of things we can't control, but that's something we can control. Because like running a business, a million dollar a year business, whatever,

and being able to handle that responsibility and control that, to find a hole in the market and fill it, that's very challenging. But at a certain, like, it's going to take you a while in your life. If you're 18, chances are that you're just not going to be able to start a business that's that successful right now at this point in your life. But what you can do is have control over the stuff that you can control in your life, which is like what you put into your mouth and what you're doing in the gym, you know? So even if you're like starting out in life, that's the thing that you could do.

The guys in the club, they have money. You can't do that yet. They have fucking nice-ass clothes. You can't do that yet. They got jewelry. You can't do that yet. But you can be in good shape. That's something you can control.

And you can do all that shit? Run it up. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? We really have to get to the point of how you got caught in this whole thing. We left that story behind. I mean simple I mean I'm everywhere right it's funny because like when I stopped being a trainer because I started my online shit and YouTube money and everything else I was still trained people

once in a blue just a one-off session but I charge like 2,500 just for the experience and I feature that video on my YouTube channel or whatever and they loved it so a lot of guys that will come in for them one-off sessions with cops or military because that's the that's my my demo, you know what I'm saying? And I fuck with them. I respect cops, bro. Like, that's a, that's an honorable position to have, right?

But with that honorable position, I expect a lot of these motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, um, yeah, so I was like, yo, maybe they just don't give a fuck. I don't know, right?

Because, you know, every day, now, I'm gonna tell you this. Now one day went by that, I ain't about getting caught. Right. That sucked. So I had a dark cloud over my, head forever you know what I'm saying um and there was times bro bro it was one time like I would

envision like I had a apartment in San Pedro I would envision me getting off the elevator walking around and then boom turn a corner and seeing the cops at my door one time it happened wrong door yeah right so what happens is this time's going on I'm fucking enjoying life I'm having fun I rebuilt this incredible life I got incredible friends people People from my past, I didn't fuck with no more. They were all losers anyway. Like, it's funny because when I was with them around them, everybody was up.

You know what I'm saying? Here, I'm gone all these years. The motherfuckers were trashed. And they shitted on me when I was on the morning. They loved it. Because people hate, they love to see a strong person down. Right. Like, see, yeah, I could do this.

You know what I'm saying? You're lucky that somebody from your old life didn't turn you in. Nobody knew. Even on YouTube. They knew after a while. But, yeah, you're right. But here's the thing. What I did was like very few people involved.

Now, I had a crew when we partied. We went out and shit, but nobody knew my business like that. You know what I'm saying? And somebody from my past did give a lot of information on me. You know what I'm saying? But it is what it is. Now, when they came and got me, you know, I'm a boxer, too, but I stopped boxing for a long time, but I was still trained.

And guys, me and some of my friends were spar at my gym that I used to work at, right? I would train at. So I had just bought my dog. He was a little puppy. Me and my boy in a sparring, going at it. Take a break. I take the dog outside to take a piss. And a black dude walk in the gym, and it was out of place. Because the gym is in north side of Long Beach. So it was a very specific crowd of people in there. Gang bangers or cops. Or bodybuilders or power lifters. Everybody got to fit in that category, right? So this dude was a normal black dude, and it was weird. And I was like, And I, I cordial, I speak to everybody, like, how you doing, man? And he, he was a little nervous.

He, like, didn't say nothing, but kind of, like, nodded his head. I was, weird. So I'm sitting out there, you know what I'm saying? And you could tell it wasn't a cop? I didn't know, I couldn't tell, but I could tell he was a weird. I'm guessing he is a cop. I don't think he was a cop. I think he was an informant.

Okay. Just to identify me. So to let him know, like, yep. So I seen the sheriff's car, on Mark Carr, Sheriff's Car, Sheriff's car than more unmarked cars I was like bro I wasn't like scared I was kind of relieved I was like fuck this is it hmm this is it you know what I'm saying so the marshals US marshals come hard but they were gentlemen you know I mean you got I think at a certain point they found me and they just watching me and tracking me you know I'm saying

right so and then when they was trying to get me there was like a day or two behind me So they were on me for like two weeks at this point. It took them two weeks to just give me because I was moving around a lot. Not trying to be evasive, but just happened to be busy. You know what I'm saying? So they got, he came and got me. He said, um, what's your name? I was like, you tell me.

You was that? I ain't saying shit. So he said, I know you are. He says, you know, we got to do this. He said, look, man. So he, maybe he was a fan, but I love this guy. But he was like, look, man, I hate to do this. but, you know, he said you're a good guy.

You do a lot of good for a lot of people, and just get this behind you and get on with your life. I was like, I appreciate that. But in my head, I'm like, I'm wrapped. It's a rap. And so you never got to find out the verdict in that trial because you just dipped? Yeah, no.

So they can try you in absention, but that never happened. Really? They just kept it kind of open to find me. I'm glad that that didn't happen. That's the best thing in the world. So I'll tell you why. So they got me.

They put me in the fucking towers and the max security bullshit. You know what I'm saying? They kept me there for like a month. And then, because you can't bond out when you have to, when your case is in another state. You got to be in that state. So I had to sit there. They got to kick you out if they don't take you, extradite you within a month. They wait till the 30th day.

Fucking took me to Arizona in a fucking van with no windows. but other motherfuckers and we like shackled like this I felt like this must be what slavery felt like it was so humiliating get out to go to the bathroom back at the McDonald's

and people looking at you it fucking suck bro but I was like I knew this was coming right get to Arizona they put me in max security there too I'm like yo fuck this shit

so I wrote a letter like yo it was my white man voice like I thought I was supposed to be consider innocent to proven guilty. I have no priors. I have successful businesses. I need access to the phone so I can, you know what I'm saying? I don't know why you have me in here. Because everybody I was in there with was going away forever. They didn't give a fuck about no rules. Right. And my biggest fear was just, I'm not, I wasn't afraid of anybody in there, but me just

defending myself and fucking somebody up and getting more time, catching more cases. Because I know mad people that did like 10 years starting out on a misdemeanor because they'd be fighting and shit. You know what I'm in here with the worst people. You know what I'm saying? So three days later, they moved me into a little three unit, which was great because I had freedom, but it was dangerous because everybody moving around. First night at child, I hear somebody strapped for it.

I'm like, fuck. I can just feel that shit stabbing me. You know what I'm saying? It's just an unsettling feeling, you know what I'm saying? This is my first time in jail for over a month and all of this shit, right? So my bond was a half million dollars. So I'm like, let's run it. So my father found an attorney for me,

but this guy was nothing. You know what I'm saying? So he's like, no, no, no, no, let's wait. You know, I'm an expert at constitutional law, and this is unconstitutional. Let's wait till the next date. So that came, another excuse. I'm like, yo.

Oh, so then the next time when he really said, we want to get that bond reduced. Because I'm like, yeah, that's a lot of money. It ain't that bad here. You know what I'll wait? He acted scary and it scared me. They came back to me because the inmates were in his room. He said, we cannot ask for a bond reduction.

That prosecutor wants you. I mean, da-da-da-da. And I'm like, I'm sitting there like stone face. Like, wait a minute. First, my heart raced. I'm like, nah, there's no prosecutor yet. It doesn't happen like that. You know what I'm saying?

I just got here. So I like, okay. So immediately bonded out. I had my dad have my people get the money, got me out, fuck that guy, fired him. I had money, money now, you know what I'm saying? I already had multiple businesses, legitimate businesses. So, you know, I ran out the bag. I spared no expense and I got the best attorney that I can get.

You know what I'm saying? The one that I heard about before that I could, it was a dream that I could get to him. You know what I'm saying? And my first day with him, this time they give me another ankle bracelet, but a metal GPS bracelet. You can't cut that shit off. So that shit digging your skin every step, right? So it was a year of the adjudication process. While I'm out, had to plug my shit up to the wall four hours a day.

It sucked. If you drive past like a Greyhound or airport, they call you from the thing. And they're rude. Like, what the fuck are you doing at the airport? Like, I'm like, you got to just fucking humble yourself and don't say, right? Bro, I'm just driving past. They call you from the fucking thing. You know what the fuck?

It was so humiliating. So. So we fighting and we fighting and I'm fighting two cases now and my attorney I love them because if I would have went to prison at the end of the day At least I wouldn't have been stressed during that process because he was so confident He was like a meat of a lawyer. You know what's saying? And I first sit down. He was like so was okay sir. What's the strategy? He's like nothing. We're just gonna beat this shit I like his style. You know what I'm saying? So anyway his strategies he just make them work. He just hit him with motion emotions, emotions, emotions, and they just, he wear him down.

He got the first one thrown out, boom, like gone. Because it was bullshit, you know what I'm saying? Both of them were bullshit, but on paper they look bad. He got the manslaughter thrown out. No, that was the second one. He worked on the easy one first, the agassault. So the manslaughter was an agassault at first, because it took the dude a few days to perish.

You know what I'm saying? Then they reclassified it, and I was like, I felt defeated. But anyway, so he got the first one thrown out. Then he started working on the second one. When the first one got thrown out, I got the thing off. I'm like, this is great. It was great because I got to come back to Cali, like, travel. And people with people at my gym that I took care that I looked out for, that was happy.

Because people had my paperwork, like, he's done. Like you said, showing my friends. You see this happen on YouTube all the time where somebody gets hit with charges and you see a lot of people doing a little victory lap. So I went back. I went back to the gym. It's bittersweet. I love that place.

But there's motherfuckers in there that I hate it now. And I went in there. I made everybody uncomfortable. They had to leave. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, it's not cool. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, so fight,

fuck the case. So he kept getting it better, better, better, got it back down to ag-assault. I'm like, okay. But ag-assault is still, ag-assault, deadly weapon, danger tag. It's still a mandatory.

prison right so he says I'm like a year's gone by now you got to keep in mind I'm still thinking about the fact that it's not over if something I don't know if something from the past going to come up whatever I could still get wrapped the fuck up you know what I'm saying so I'm like stress right so I'm like so I said why is it prison he said because it's a danger tag I said how much prison he says it's up to them it could be a year it could be three years you know what I'm like Initially, in my head, I would have did three years. So I take three, you know what I'm saying?

But now it's like my life is good. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, fuck. Because when your life ain't good, you don't give a fuck. It's like it is what it is. It's a stripe. But when your life is good, you don't want to be a story. Like, he could have, you know what I'm saying?

Right. So I was like, I'm thinking, thinking, thinking, I'm like, can you ask them to take the danger off and I'll take it? He said, they don't do that. I said, sir, can you? please ask him to take the danger tag off. I'll take the felony. You know what I'm saying?

I take my chances if it's not a mandatory prison system, a sentence. He's like, in his mind, I can tell you, he's like, it's not going to work, but he asked him, they took it off. So I was like, cool, I'll take the plea. He said, no, I want you to, I want to get this all the way thrown out. I said, sir, I appreciate everything you've done, but I want to move on with my life. I want this to be done, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, you go to court every month, and it's just, it's very stressful every time.

getting dressed up, all of that shit, you know what I'm saying? So, took the danger tag off, I'll take a plea. So as sentencing, I don't know if you ever been to a sentencing. On the defendant's side is his family. On the state side is cops, right? This time on my side is my family and cops. You know what I'm saying? LAPD SWAT, L-A County SWAT, LAPD guys.

One of my best friends of federal cop down at the prison in Yuma. couple dudes in Arizona they all came to speak on my behalf of my character you know I'm saying and the judge was so mean but I was so as a woman like a Texas white lady you know what I was like fuck and I'm the only black it's like I look like a criminal I look scary to them you know what I'm saying even though I'm not well maybe I was a little bit but I see how they see me tatted all of that shit right so she was like all right mr. King if This was getting adjudicated closer to when this happened,

you'd be on your way to prison right now. But the court seated, you're not a criminal. Get out of my courtroom. What? Bro. Wow. When I'm in an elevator, I was in an elevator by myself. And the dark cloud was gone.

And that made me uncomfortable. I was so used to having that limit to happiness and shit. It's like your little friend, yeah. Right, well. I've been there. Yeah, man. And so that process, that process, says it did a couple things for me one it killed my joy I don't have joy but it's

all right at least I'm free you know what I don't have the capacity to feel joy but I'm a happy person I'm just not excited you know what I'm saying but two it taught me how to really fucking live because back then every day is potentially my last day you I'm saying so I learn how to max out on life you know what I'm saying like do everything you know so and I still have that it hasn't gone away I don't think it ever will So that was a hell of a fucking ride, bro. Right. It was a hell of a journey.

I can't say it was all bad, you know. It really taught me how to, here's an interesting thing too. That's why I'd be telling people about like when they down and out. So my father, he always told me this. My father's the fucking guy. He said, um, he said, we people are characters. So you don't show character, you don't develop character when everything's fine. Is when you lose your job, when your girlfriend leave you and shit ain't cool.

How are you going to act in? You know what I'm saying? You did yourself out of that shit. You smile. You don't complain to nobody. And it's going to make you so much stronger, more powerful. And that whole process, it wasn't like I was consciously thinking about what my dad said, but he instilled it in me so much just to be a man and take your shit.

And take responsibility for your actions. I did. In jail, motherfuckers would be like, man, they fucking violate and not rights. I'd be like, bro, we don't have rights. We're in jail, motherfucker. Just come on, man. It's interesting when you said about, you don't have joy at this point because that's one thing that my therapist has sort of busted out on me is that she's acknowledged that a lot of times i'll be talking about something that i have reason to be genuinely extremely happy about and then i start adding caveats to it of sort of like well but this negative thing's probably going to happen or i shouldn't get too happy about it because this might happen or whatever and it's like i am kind of like mentally scarred from like accomplishing things and then sort of having them to be

taken away from me even in situations like YouTube where you make a bunch of money and then all of a sudden they take ads away or something like that or you know I've just haven't been through that shit so many fucking times that it's like it's hard for me to just live in the current happiness of the moment you know and she'll always try to remind me of that and got and tell me like you know you don't have to think about what might happen one day you can just be happy about this thing that you're experiencing right now and especially in fatherhood it's like the ultimate thing where it's like you need to just relax and just enjoy this because you're not going to get this back this time with them.

So with my children, that brings me to, I feel the most accomplished when, you know, I look at how dope they're turning out, but I'm on edge. My son is 16 and right now it's such an important, because I remember myself at those ages, that shit was like, man, it could be all bad or all good. And my son is fucking smart. He has a real powerful brain. He's his own man. And I love that, right?

And I just keep kind of, I don't want to do too much. And I don't want to do enough. And then he just fucking, you know what I'm saying? So just enough, just enough. It's a constant, like, game of me figuring out. And my youngest, my daughter, she's seven. She's fucking dope, bro. And she started a new school today.

And I'm just happy because she's, her brain is so good. so much personality and so smart challenges me you can't I can't just tell them anything right she's like that doesn't make sense so I have to explain because you know when I was growing up my parents didn't try to explain shit to me it's like because I said so and I talk about the challenge of you know being able to really be still and just enjoy the the joy of appreciating your kids and like think about trying to do that which you've got plenty of experience with of trying to do that while having this potential 10-year sentence hanging over your fucking head

that you don't know what's going to happen. That was my great motivator, though, to not, I couldn't fathom being taken away from my children. You know what I'm saying? Now, I had a contingency plan for if I did have to sit still. You know, I would do my best to constantly stay in touch with them. But me personally, I've always been a fan of learning and being educated and I educate myself to a great extent.

But if I had to go to jail, I was going to be Malcolm Xx. You know what I was gonna just try to be as powerful as I could mentally because I have nothing else to do You feel me like matter of fact when I first got to jail You know one of my business partners Natalie shout out to Natalie. That's my dog But she was trying to give me to write e-books for my training And I'll yeah, I'll do it, but I'm making when you're making money all these other places You're not thinking about that one extra stream and you're busy But when I was in jail I'm not busy so I started writing the e-books and making mad money from jail

So I'm like all right Jail is a very dope place if you make it dope you know what I'm saying so my I made that shit work for me you am saying so if I had to go away for a long time fuck I'm gonna become so fucking intelligent you know what I was getting at was like the year that that that I was fighting it finally right I had an ankle bridge I'm not exaggerating it was this big digging my skin when I walk so what did I do I still did my YouTube videos I started taking more these one-off clients

You know what I'm saying? I'm being positive. I never mentioned anything that I'm going through anything to nobody, right? And I proceeded more my life like it was no issues. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I was hurting on the inside. You know what I'm saying? Whenever I downtime and quiet time, you start thinking about shit, what can happen, what can happen.

So, but I have a way of mentally protecting myself from these bad things and thinking glass half full type shit. And that shit kept me in a good space. I also started was meditating at the time you know what I'm saying that shit is so much for me bro so much right so it made me so honest it made with myself first and foremost you know what I'm saying and when you're honest with everybody else it's like yeah this is the situation you know I'm saying so there's nothing's ever that bad so you know I weathered that and still and kept working and doing the shit that my father told me to do like this is how you develop character

when shit is fucked up and you still smile. You still treat people good and you don't steal shit and you don't do this and do that. And that's exactly what I did, bro. And Adam, it was many times where I hit little forks in the road emotionally and I wanted to go hurt people. Like people I know who ain't shit, but celebrating and talking shit, I wanted to just...

You know what I'm saying? Right. But I didn't. You feel what I mean? So... That's a big part of becoming a public figure is having to learn to just let people talk about you and not react. You see it. You don't say shit. You just let it happen. I mean, at the end of the day,

here's my experience with people that I used to be very reactionary. But reaction, that shit puts you, it gets you fucked up, right? So when I started really understanding that, I'm like, all right, people do things to me, you know, from afar say things or whatever. I hate it, but I just leave it alone. And they usually unraveled themselves. Something bad happened to them or they just disappear or whatever, not disappear like that, but I'm just saying like their careers, don't work out and I'm always still good. You feel what I? So I learned that like, yo, fuck it.

It's something fortunate that he has to resort to that. Right. This is one thing I really wanted to ask is you talk about how you got that reaction when you want a fresh and fit. And at that time you didn't know anything about the Manosphere or whatever. You're just this sort of lone content creator. You didn't realize that there was like this whole other world developing of different channels. How do you see where you fit into that?

Well, like I told them, because I did a video like discussing my experience with them after the first time in their audience. I'm like, look, honestly, I'm the archetype of which I want to be. You know what I'm saying? I think it's silly to, for me, I don't have any interest in just sitting around talking about girls, right? So, but I get girls. I've gotten girls when I didn't have money. I understood my position as well. Like I was telling my home girl I heard Carla

Like back in the day I was young I had no money I was banging bad chicks but that was it I couldn't afford to take them on dates I knew that shit so I didn't even try to have a relationship You know what I'm saying? Right And I understood that when I you know as you level up and boss up You like because a real flex is having a your woman be a dime

Like not just you fuck the dime you know what I'm saying For sure maintain that shit you know what I'm saying So I always understood that you know what I'm saying And I also grew up in the nation in Islam. And my spiritual father, Ms. Farrakhan, said that he was giving a speech to young men. I never forget this yet because it hit me right in my fucking spine. He was like, you do not have the, I'm paraphrasing, but he said, you do not have the,

you do not get the right to enjoy the pleasures of a woman's breast if you can't take care of her. I was like, fuck, he's right. Because he's breaking it out, like, what is, what are you providing? You know what I'm saying? And in this world, I don't get a fuck with nobody say, men are not loved unconditionally. And we shouldn't be because we'd be soft if we were. We have to become something before we get that.

Before we get treated that way, whereas the woman just off of being young and attractive, they get to be the prize off right. So why I fit and I told them, I said, look, I'm which I want to be. It's sounding cocky. But I'm like, it's true. And then as time went on, I would make more appearances.

I would understand their perspective a little bit. bit more, but they would see my life more, too, like, their audience, like, fresh and fit in my homies. Like, I like those guys, right? Right. And I, I understand what they're doing, you know what I'm saying? However, I just didn't understand that there was such a vast group of men that never got girls, you know what I'm saying?

So what they're doing is necessary because they're Jesus to a lot of motherfuckers, you know what I'm saying? I just didn't relate to those people that needed that. But people will, like, their fans will listen to them talk about. how to get girls because they look at those dudes and they realize that these are dudes who maybe in another timeline would not have gotten girls but somebody like like uh myron like grew up in this like conservative ass muslim environment and stuff and and created this big ass fucking empire and decided that he wanted to get girls and he wanted to be in shape etc and he just kind of like

created this lifestyle for himself whereas i think that they look at you and maybe to an extent me and they think, oh, these just seem like confident, cool dudes who would be able to fucking get pussy no matter what because they just would be able to automatically have that rapport with girls. They look at fresh and they're like, this guy's getting pussy. He had to figure some shit out to like get himself into this position. Oh, for sure. And listen, you're right. But that's the plight of every man.

You know what I'm saying? To an extent because regardless of what people, how people viewed you, I'm sure you had your phases where you didn't feel comfortable with person girls. I had times where I was in the bar frozen. I wanted to talk to all these hot chicks and I just didn't have that fucking confidence at times in my life where at times when you go through a breakup and it's hard for you to get your swagger back

of like really being able to be free and talking to women or whatever or being able to break that ice. I mean, that's why there's such an audience for this manosphere shit is because... You figured it out, though. You figured out a thing. Going up to a girl in a public place

and starting a conversation is one of the most anxiety-ridden, So the guy will ever have to do. Some of the craziest, like, adrenaline moments, honestly, in my life are when I cold approached a girl in, like, a bar or a coffee spot. What would you say? I remember one time there was a girl. You like latte.

There was a girl that I had exchanged glances with a couple times in the coffee shop, but she's with her mom. She's sitting with her mom, right? And I just decided in my head, I'm like, fuck it, I'm doing this. So as I'm walking out, I just... Watch her mom's right there? I slide right up to the table, and I just introduce her to my... I introduced herself to the mom and I just say, I was wondering if I could get your phone number, if I could take you out some time.

And you see the mom immediately just like gushing, like she's loving it, you know? She doesn't get this attention from dudes anymore. So the fact that I had the balls to do it and that then I was raw dog and her two days later on my couch was just like, God, the best fucking feeling. Kind of a foot a week. You're creating pussy out of thin air in that situation because there's no reason why I had to make communication with this girl. Here's the thing. She's from a totally different world. She was going to some Christian university, whatever.

That's such a good feeling. Here's a thing. There's a phrase that's so accurate. Fortune rewards the bold. You feel me? Just do it. I mean, just do it, Nike. Just do it.

They're right. Just do it. They say, no, fuck it next time. Now, there's people that play the numbers game. I don't like that shit. My ego, I don't like that kind of bruising. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just not, it's not that important to me.

me you know what I'm saying and I truly believe like if I see somebody that I'm attracted to I got a the vibe got to be perfect for me to go up through and say something you know I'm saying like I remember I was as a trainer not making much money at all I live in downtown Long Beach it was a bad chick and I would see at the gym but I happen to see her at the restaurant and I'm out with uh no I was there I was going to meet a girl but I went there to get a drink and I liked her so I ordered uh bottle of wine for the table because wine is cheap, even in a restaurant, but it looks like a grand gesture, you know what I'm saying? And it's a nice thing to do. So I told the waiter, I said,

don't tell her it was me. She's going to figure it out, you know what I'm saying? Because we caught eyes or whatever, but I didn't want to just go say nothing. And I usually don't call, just go up to girls. So I sent the bottle, dipped out. So at the gym, that next week, she was like, hey, Saka, come here. Did you send that bottle? I was like, what bottle? I play stupid, but I play stupid, but it's obvious

that I'm playing stupid, you know what I'm saying? And that shit worked out. Right. So I'm not that guy like, hey, what's up? I just don't want to bother nobody, you know what I'm saying?

I feel like we're gonna, I'm gonna find a way to make it, we connect. I don't like stepping up to girls around people either, you know what I'm saying? Because it's gonna, I feel like it decreased my chances

because she wants to have a certain perception of her, you know what I'm saying? There's a thing in the in the in the in the manisphere or whatever there's like there's a way that they look down upon guys who are in relationships

and it just seems kind of bizarre to me because and there's also this obsession with like girls have a mileage on them you know and it's like when you look at the most successful people in our field whether it's hip hop or entertainment whatever it's like the vast majority of them end up in a relationship and yeah some of them are cheating

and some of them have open relationships and shit like that but at the end of the day it's the most human thing on earth to want to have your queen and build something together, right? And I mean, when you, like, dudes will talk about a girl just because she's slept with somebody that they know

as if she's completely done. Like, she's off the fucking sexual marketplace. And the example... I think that term is a weird term, sexual marketplace. Right, well, I mean, just the way of describing the incentives and stuff. It came down from Kevin Samuels. Right. But just the fact that, like, you look at

Travis Scott. This is a guy who's got his pick of, realistically, probably every woman on earth if he wanted to be relationship with him. And he's with, realistically, one of the richest, most famous girls on earth. And he knows a variety of different people who've slept with her at some point before them. It's been rumored, even like his peers, like Drake, etc. He's over it. He doesn't care. He's put two babies in her. He's publicly aligned with her. And then you sort of see, like, a lot of these Fresh and Fit fans who, if that was their friend who was dating some dope chick that had

already slept with a bunch of their homies. To them, that seems like a mortal sin. And I don't really understand that mentality. Well, people, like I said, like we were talking about earlier, people fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer or hate what they feel like they can't have. That's an opinion that's also easy to have when you're young and you lack experience. By the time you're in the 30s and 40s, you just take it for granted. Like, of course you know that these girls have been around the block before most of the time, right? You accept a little bit more.

Yeah, for sure. Because you get it. You know what I'm saying? Because you've been around the block. You got to think about yourself, you know what I'm saying? Right. So I don't think it's one in one. I don't think it's binary the same.

True. You know what I'm saying? Women and women. But I do understand and can appreciate a woman of modesty. You know what I'm saying? It's just not a lot of that shit these days. You know what I mean? And I do have a certain perspective on this whole dating shit, right?

I'm a person that do shit with intentions, right? Now, I'm a guy. Hornier's fuck like girls. However, I care. I like I'm a lover I'm a care bear and I have a daughter you know what I'm saying so if I'm and it's always been put in my mind like if you have this woman do treat her great like you know what I enjoy that I enjoy that that whole process so I prefer to be in a relationship I don't I don't like being single you know I'm saying I like to have somebody checking up on me when I'm out of town you know what I'm saying or with me my rider die like all of that shit a best friend or two best friends you know what I'm saying or you know what I'm saying or you know what I'm saying or you know you're three or four not four that's too many but i'm just saying no like that's this my little family you understand i'm a family oriented guy you know i mean so i think my views are very traditional you know i mean it's just in our country in our society is weird that they look down on that shit because it's

not a christian thing and this is quote-unquote a christian nation even though the found and fathers was like fuck religion you know what i mean so i mean the shit was written in the constitution right I mean so but people run with shit and this is that's weird oh that's gross so many people I've talked to first of all any girl that I've ever fucked with and I sit down and give them the spill they get it and they with it even if they're not at first I make it normal to them you know what saying and they're they're they're with it now people I'm not really interested in we're just talking having conversation and shit comes up and they be like never never done I said I'm not with that shit I said oh you tried it and you didn't like it no no I never tried it oh but

monogamy works because you're single you know what I'm saying you got cheated on you know I mean like or you know it's like when you have a person that you're attracted to that can do all of the things the fairy tale shit that you would like and will never lie to you yeah he's gonna have sex with her too but you know this it's we're good we have trust and respect right What's the problem? Because I feel like the most charitable thing that we can give to each other is honesty. Right. When you got somebody you can rely on telling the fucking truth.

Look, I don't fuck with, I don't have friends that cheat on their girlfriends. I'm not with that shit. Because just how happened to I'm at an age to where I don't have time just to be friends and hang out. Right. I'll hang out with my friends, but we make money together too. Right. So that's, now I do have friends that we don't make money together. We don't see each other that often.

And that's fine. I still love them. but typically the people I'm around we're making money together and we just happen to travel together and have fun and all that shit like my relationship is that much stronger because my girl has seen me fuck

hundreds of chicks in front of her and she comes right to her and she realizes that then she sees me sitting on the couch chilling afterwards not trying to be all up in this girl's shit and trying to get her number and try to talk to her right after that I think gives her like way more confidence

in our relationship you know or the fact that even like we could be out of at a restaurant and I could say oh look at that girl like look at her ass like look how good her ass looks or some shit and realistically she could say oh the waiter was so handsome

or some shit and I don't fucking care and that doesn't it's not the kind of thing that would get to me does she and y'all y'all do the scenes do she do stuff with guys? Nah no you wouldn't be with that nah I feel like that's a so that's a bridge too far it's weird I mean listen if she was the only

breadwinner in the house then I have no choice I feel like maybe I would just have to stomach that but being that you know and it's just the fact that like we went to get six years and to be honest for like the first five years we never even had the conversation and then we kind talked about it and ultimately it was just like I don't want to be in a relationship like that and to her she's not really pressed about it either I mean I think that emotionally we both like yeah you talk about having an open relationship um actually no we've not really talked about that at all I don't think either of us is really interested in sleeping with people outside of the content thing.

But I feel like also we just kind of made enough money and got to the point where I'm like, I've told it many times. Like, you don't have to do this shit anymore. You can just have kids and just chill at the house. You have still do it? Porn stuff together? Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's dope.

It sounds fun. Oh, that's a great time. I can't lie. I've done many porns for home. Keep it on the PC? Yeah, private, you know what I'm saying? but never no shit out there you i'm sure you probably do pretty well but if you if everything went to shit you could probably hop in that game yeah

i'm guessing that's real that's real you know i got a budget of the shit on the schedule so we should definitely do a part two at some point though too or actually i'm gonna go on your podcast soon right yes sir yeah out in orange county do see let's do it oh yeah used to go loci all the time it's been a minute cool cool yeah but thanks for having me on bro no doubt man Yeah, I appreciate your time. There's definitely a lot more shit that I want to get into, so I'm sure that we could do a part two even after I go on yours. Let's do it.

I'm with it. Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. Thanks. My guy. Thank you, Mike. Everybody check out his channel, subscribe, all that shit. Appreciate you, man.

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