No Jumper - MLD on Feud With Destiny, Getting Cancelled, Lipo, & More

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

Flakko sits down with Jonathan Hoogwood aka MLD, about Angela Knight, the “endure” clip, lipo, and more. ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jump at coolest podcast in the world, man. And we're back with MLD, man. How's going? Yo, how you feeling, man? Good, good. I was just in London 48 hours ago. I did London, Tokyo. Yeah, I did London, Tokyo, L.A.

Get here. London, Tokyo, L.A. Yeah, in 48 hours, but I made it. It was, you guys asked me to come on the show while I was in London, so I... Yes. I moved to schedule around and make it here on time. Yo, listen, like, maybe it's the broke in me, right? That I'm thinking about, like, London, Tokyo, L.A.

That's like, bro, that got to cost at least, like, what, 10 grand to just, like, get... Yeah, but it's a right off, right? Because it's a business expense because, you know, traveling for work. Yeah. Wait, wait. Oh, okay, right? So now, hey, right, so listen to it, right? So, like, here's the one thing, right?

There's a bunch of dudes who, like, who, like, fake their wealth. Oh, yeah. But, like, we can actually tell that MLD has money. Right? I'm not even trying to flex. It's not, I'm not even like that. I just like you dressed well for, uh... It's a big podcast, you know?

It's a big podcast. Yo, you can't miss. smelling nice, with an expensive suit on, and you got on, like, a watch that I can't even pronounce, you feel me? Right? Man, bro, wait, though, right? So, oh, okay, but, like, how long have you been rich for, though? I don't know if I'm rich.

I'd say, like, I'm probably comfortable. All right. So you are definitely richer than most of us, though. No, I don't know. No. Right? I do okay. Man, I wait through right, so, all right.

So now just, okay, so like when trying to introduce you, right, I was having a hard time trying to like find a title for you, right? Author. Not yet. Soon, right? Well, wait, though. Like, we count, like, the YouTube shit, though, as like, right? So, like, yeah, right? So are you like a teacher, educator, content creator, businessman, entrepreneur?

Like, what's your title? I would probably say, if I said anything, educator. Because I run something called the Masculine Empowerment Network. Yeah. And it's just where we teach guys how to level up and kind of get their act together and be, you know, a respectable man. Yeah. Self-respect first and then get the respect of other people. Yeah.

And what does masculine mean? I just think like in the traditional sense, protector, provider, leader. You know what I mean? I just think people, you know, kind of love. a little bit of the way when it comes to like understand like what a traditional masculine man is because it seems to me like a lot of people are wanting traditional masculine men these days like companies women say they want that for like dating yeah I mean so I just think it's important to like try to help these

guys out who want to get who want to level up because there's a lot of people who want to level up but we live in such like an information overload society like you just some people just don't know where to start there's just you know a wide array of things to do Now, how did men become less masculine, right? Because my theory is that as life got easier for us, right? Because like 90 years ago when we had to go out and actually hunt, we couldn't be fat, right? Right.

Right. So why do you think men have become less masculine? That's a number of things. I think definitely the environment has something to do with it because testosterone levels are dropping. That's for sure. and it's a lot of these like phytoestrogens and like you know BPAs and plastic and stuff that mess with your your endocrine system so I think that's a part of it but I also think that I don't know I think this is my personal evidence and my personal opinion but I think there's like a growing number of

single mother households I just think that a single mother although they try their hardest and I was raised by a single mom so I definitely know it firsthand experience I just don't think that they are equipped to raise a man just as like a man is really does not a teacher woman how to be feminine you know what I mean? Facts. And I think that's something that's a little bit more ingrained in Western culture rather than other places in the world because I live in Tokyo and I've been living in Asia since 2012 and so you know I see every time I come back to America I feel

like America is more of a foreign country to me yeah when I come here you know I'm like the facts. So it's, but there's a different respect for masculinity in Asia, like in Korea, in China, in Vietnam, in Japan, in India. And these are all, this is like the developing nations, you know what I mean? So it's just really interesting to see the two sides of points. Bro, since 2012, that's, like, that right there, like predates the passport bros, right? I'm the original passport, bro. Man, listen, though, but I talked to us about that, man.

What went into you deciding? I want to go back What I'm back But I want to move to Japan or Tokyo And leave the West I don't know I just liked You know

First of all I was like 26 when I left Oh wow that's young So I was yeah it's 26 I had $2,500 I just put in my pocket cash Yeah Had no bank account

I had like my AT&T Nokia phone Yeah That would you know Work overseas there for a little bit And then it would get cut off And I just went out there To challenge myself as a man You know

I think going back to your question, right? Back in the day, they used to have these things called right of passage, like R-I-T-E. You know, like the Indians would send someone into the woods to, like, kill a wolf and bring back the floor, and then you'd be a man. So I kind of want to do my own right of passage. So I said, if I can live in Japan two years by myself, completely financially independent, like, that is a massive achievement that most people will never do in their life because it shows resilience. Absolutely. Because some people, some of my haters, they say like, you know, oh, he couldn't make it in America. So he moved to Japan because it's easier in Japan.

And if you've ever been there, like the language. No, no, yeah. The language alone has three alphabets. Yeah. You know, and they mix all three of them. And it's extremely hard to speak the language. So it's really hard, but I wanted to challenge myself. And then also, like, honestly speaking, I think there's a little bit of a dating crisis in America.

I think, is it safe to say that? Do you think most people would agree? Definitely dating crisis, meaning like, for example, like, most women have kind of like out-edged, like most men, right? Like, like, for example, like, the average, like, girl right now wouldn't want to date, you know, like the average guy, bro. Yeah. Right? So, yeah. Yeah.

Wait, though. So you couldn't speak, like, Japanese or, like, you, like, taught yourself how to speak it? I taught myself how to speak. I started taking some lessons. Yeah. So I'm a, there's five national certifications you can get to show how good you're at the language. I've taken the N5 and passed it. I'm ready for the N4,

but they only give the test twice a year and it's in summer or winter and I'm going to traveling. So I took it last year and passed. Before moving there, though. No, no, while I've been there, while I was there. Yeah. Before moving there, no, nothing. Wait, though.

So you cannot speak the language. No, nothing. Had 2,500 bucks. So how did MLD go to Japan and make it essentially? So I've always been a hustler because I grew up really poor. So I would always be selling stuff on Craigslist. I used to have like a small sofa delivery company. Okay.

And I would sell a lot of things in Craigslist. So when I went, my thinking was this, if I sell somebody a sofa, they don't need to talk to me for like two to three years. But if I sell someone an English lesson for $50 an hour, they're going to need me next week. Yeah. You know what I mean? No, that's fact. So I just, I was growing up poor. You know, this is like my limited money-making ideas.

So I went out there and started teaching English. And, you know, like 2013, I got a job at Honda. They were paying me $80 an hour. Wow. And I was a 27-year-old kid. In 2013, $80 an hour. It's not bad. No, that's like, even now, that's like you are like top, like top 5%, right?

I don't know. I mean, it was good enough for me because I was just like, you know, trying to keep the lights on. So I had multiple jobs. So I was working multiple jobs. jobs. And while I was working these jobs, I was always studying, studying finance, studying business, studying marketing, because I just always knew in my life I wanted to be a financially successful person. Not that's. I just, because I grew up poor, and then we were zoned right on the outside of the richest school zone in Orlando, Winter Park. Oh, that must suck. Well, it opened my eyes,

you know. I had a white friend. I went to his house, and I was like, you guys just always have food in the fridge? You know? Listen, though, because being poor is bad, but being poor and knowing you're poor is even worse. Right. I never got mad, though. Yeah. I never got mad. I just, um, I always started

working. I was, I was working at pizza shop when I was 15. Yeah. Chick-fil-A when I was 16. I was working I've been working my whole life. Now, all right, so at 26, you moved to Japan. Yeah. You started to work. Now now, when did you

I guess like come across the red pill So that's interesting question right I just were always in like the men's self-development space As I grew up And so the red pill was just one faction that I looked at Right yeah I think I've been kind of You know put in with these guys I used to do a lot of work with them

Dating back to 2018s when I Started making public appearances with Rolo You know Rolo's gonna be here later And Rolo's a great guy He gave you know he he when he when they call him the godfather of the Red Pill, right? It's because he has been part of this community and laying some of like the

almost the theological foundations. Some people take this shit really seriously. But really he put down a lot of the intellectual knowledge, a lot of baseline knowledge. That's why his book has sold so much, you know? The facts. And he has a series of books as well.

And so we kind of knew that the Red Pill community was going to grow. But I think now the public perception of the Red Pill community is animosity towards women. I think that's what the public perception is. Definitely.

So it's not. That's definitely not what I agree with either. Absolutely. Because recently after going viral, a lot of American women reached out to me. I've talked to a lot of these women. These are some beautiful women too. And like, you know, I hear him

hearing both sides of stories. I think men are fucking up. I think women are fucking up. I just think that both people are just going to, I think both people's standards are too high. Of course. I think people need a little bit more realistic. Hey, no, facts.

And just get one. It's not, I'm trying to get multiple on each side. You know what I mean? Just get one each. You see? You see, listen, like, that's what kind of, like,

drew me to, like, you, right? Was, I think you was on, I think it was Pearl when, I'm not sure if it was Pearl or not, right? When I heard you say, listen, Like, that like, like, to get like 20 women shit. Yeah. That's whack.

No, no. Look, that's something that's being spread around right now. Yeah. I got to sit up for this shit. Yeah. Hey, speak about it, man. No, okay. This is absolutely fucking terrible advice.

This whole one guy walk up to your up like, listen, bitch, I'm a high value fucking, I'm a high value man. You better become bisexual. And we need to have three sons. You need to find me girls. Like regular girls. who'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. You know, regular girls with, like, self-respect,

they're not going to really, you know, want to be down for that kind of thing. Yeah, of course. And the same thing for a guy. If a guy, if a girl's like, yeah, you know, I'm going to fuck you on Monday and Steve on Wednesday and this, they'd be like, no, absolutely not. So I think that's something that's being spread around because I see a lot of guys, like, kind of ruining their relationships, too, by herding this shit that they really have no idea about the consequences. because I've juggled multiple women before, and, like, it's just stressful.

Yeah, I, like, her, like, her, right, that, like, you had, like, a Chinese chick. Oh, no. Who told you this? Her? A Japanese chick, right? Right? And, like, what was, like, the, like, third one again? At one time, I mean, there's a lot of girls out there, but, yeah, I mean, I used to date a lot of girls at the same time.

Wait, though, man. wait through, right? So, okay, so like here's the thing, right? For guys, okay, again, right, like, for guys like me, right, who haven't been in that situation yet, right? Oh, yeah, right? Right? How do you, listen, how do you fuck three women consistently, right, because I would, listen, right, because I would imagine, right, that they would want to fuck you probably, you know, once a day, if not every, every other day, right? Yeah. So how do you manage fucking three women, like, on a rotation?

Well, I mean, it's just... Hills, right? Like, it got to be like some, you know, like, like, you know, like the honeypack, Viagra. Yeah, it's just, honestly, it's a negative return on investment. That's why I stopped doing it. It's a negative return on. It's not worth it, right? No, I think you should get it out of your system as a man if you have the ability to.

So you're not thirsty and you're not kind of like. Like, because a lot of guys are so thirsty and they don't know how to get another girl. So they'll stay in a relationship that's not necessarily beneficial to them. Absolutely. And then, you know, the guy and the girl are both kind of miserable with each other. Yeah, man. Because they just had a, you know, they don't have an abundance mindset to just walk away from something. Yeah.

Here, but like, it's hard for most men to have that abundance mindset, right? Because most men are not able to just, you know, like leave a chick and go grab, right? Right. Now, wait, okay, so like back up a little bit, right? So are you a red pill or no? I guess I'm part of them, you know what I mean? They've collected me. I've always said that, you can see this on my live streams in 2019, 2020.

I said, I'm just the me pill. I'm just putting me out here. And it's funny too recently how I've gotten popular or whatever. I feel even cringe saying that because I never set out to be popular. I never set out to. Oh, you're popular now, man. Well, not as popular as you guys. I'm trying to get on your guys level.

This is... Hell not! This is amazing. Bro, listen. Like, you're almost like everywhere right now, bro. And like you like have like what? Had like 250,000, right? Just 220 on the YouTube.

Just come on now, right? Right? You're big. Myron and Pearl, you know, they big brother and big sister me with their digital channels. Yo, so wait though. So like, speak about Proto. Have you seen the Pearl and E50 Bay? Yeah, I was there when she was doing it in her house.

Wait, were you the one who was, like, feeding her, like the talking voice on the scene? Like, hey, listen. No. He's right here. It's wrong about this, this, this, this. No, no, no, no. It was, I don't know who it was. I was just, I was there because she filmed later that day.

We were there. Man. So, all right. So, okay, so, like, speak on that, man. So, one, how do you feel that debate went? I looked like, you know, I think, because Pearl was just there thinking it was going to be an interview. And he had like a team ready. He had a team feeding him studies.

And you could tell that he really wasn't fully read up or on this information. It was just kind of, I think right now it is trendy to like dog pile on the red pill. And just to shit on men right now. So I just think that's like what's happening to an extent. but I mean I don't know I'm just going to keep you doing me like I said I never

set out to you know come out here and prove anything to everybody I've just been doing my thing you know I went viral because that girl just was genuinely disrespecting me on the whatever podcast that was the big thing

yeah right and I feel like that was the first time I heard you cuss right yeah yeah alright right so look right so speak on that right so

I don't know what the girl name is like she's, you know, like she's not nobody, right? Yeah. But, you know, she was, you know, like, she was going at you. And I think you said what, like, bitch, right? Yeah, I just slipped up. Yeah. It was just straight to me.

Because she was like, point her finger. Yeah. You're intimidated at me. Like, if I pointed at some of your guests like you're intimidated. Yeah, of course, yeah. That's going to be a problem, you know? So I was just like, you just met me 10 minutes ago. Of course.

And it was just kind of, it wasn't supposed to be some viral moment. or whatever. It just happened. And then now I'm known around the world for that. Yeah, listen, though. And, like, do you feel, though, like, that moment got you the right attention or the wrong attention?

I think, for me, from my personal experience, it was a monsoon of positive attention. Like... Men was feeling you, yeah. Dude, a lot of girls, too. A lot of girls. Actually, the ones who said them was savage shit were chicks.

Like, I'm so glad you told this bitch shut the fuck up. Who does she think she is? And she's wearing that, you know, Kmart dress. Like, I heard the most savage shit from women as well. So yeah. Yeah, it's a wild ride. But it was a lot of good positive attention.

You know, that was really interesting. With a question, though. So then how do you and the whatever podcast link up initially? They reached out to me like you guys did. Oh, really? They're just like, hey, we're the whatever podcast, you know, we'd like to have you on. And so when I do these tours, my philosophy is pretty simple. just going to wear a suit.

Just in case, if I do go viral, I'm wearing a suit no matter what. So there is some kind of decency on my end. And, yeah, I just suited up, went out there. Rolo had me on his show. I was on Fresh and Fit. I was on the Purple Pail podcast. You know, was on Jedediah. You know, she does a good show as well.

So I just did my tour. And then it's funny because after I did it, you know, in the heat of the moment of that exchange with me and her, it didn't feel good. It was, like, kind of toxic. Oh, really? It didn't feel good at all. And I was glad it was over.

And then it just a couple days later, like, you know, the... It went wild. You know, those Indian dudes, like, Manosphere, red pill Instagrams, like, they cut it all up and... Y'all... It went viral.

You listen, though, like... How do you feel about, like, those clips channels, though? Because they be taking a lot of your shit... Yeah. And they make either bang off it or are they get, like, a bunch of... subscribers and cloud just off of like your content. Yeah, well, I mean, hey, it is what it is, right?

I can't stop them, so, you know, I just tell them like, just clip me up in a good way, not a bad way. Yeah, right? But yeah, all the attention is pretty weird, man. Everywhere I've been going, like I was just in London, yeah. People knew me in the street. It was pretty weird, man.

I've never. Oh, man. I'm not used to this. I was in Hiroshima, Japan, so I see me in the street. And yeah, I've just been Toronto all over the place. People keep recognizing me. Where do you be famous now, right? I'm not that famous.

I don't want to be famous. Wait, though, listen, because I heard when you get famous, that's when you start getting, you know, some eyes and, you know, attention from people who are outside of this plane that, like, we operate on. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, so being famous is probably what, like, what nobody wants, right? Right.

But, though, like, now that you are actually known and you're prominent, though, Bras there been a influx or an increase in quality of females that's you know that's now you know being you know more attracted to you? Yeah for sure. Is this some, wait until, is this some, you know, like something like celebrity chicks? No, I just, you know, just I, okay, here's a good way to put it, right? So when I started doing my thing, I never set out to like please women with my message. I'm very harsh to my male audience because, you know, you can speak to men harshly

and they respond better, right? Yeah, you have to. So I always thought my message would be like kind of niche and I had a little bit of like a complex about my content to an extent. Yeah. Like thinking like, women would never get on board with this, whatever. But then when this whole thing happened,

my analytics shifted. It used to be like 97% men. Yeah. Now it's 85% men and 15% women. Why more than me? So, yeah, I mean, they're, I mean, I'm just, looking at the numbers. So women are talking, reaching out to me. I think, too, is because I think I'm a little less vicious with chicks on my channel, because sometimes I'll see other

guys, and the women will say something, and the guy would be like, no, you mean this. And she's like, no, I just, I just told you what I was talking about. And I think you just need to listen to the other side a little bit more, because I just think ultimately, it's not a competition, right? Just think men and women are better together than a part. The sex, man. Just this whole animosity. And it's like, you know, I live in Japan, so it's like very zen everywhere. And like, causing a stir is really socially frowned upon in any, in any context.

So it's a very, like, chilled out, yeah, in culture. But when I come back here, like everybody likes fighting, everybody likes the drama. Bro, B sells now. Yeah, I know. So drama sales now, man. I know, I know. Listen, man, what's a high value man? I say a high value man.

is a guy who focuses on the core four, okay, which is money, muscles, game, frame. That's what I want people to know me for. I don't give a fuck about me. Wait, gain? Game. Oh, game, okay.

Money, so I tell them, make money, make muscles, learn game, and hold frame. Okay. Core four, I think if you do these four things above average, you'll be considered a high-value man. Wait, though, so when you say above average, so, like, above-average money in this country, I think it's about like 60 grand per year, right?

Yeah. So 60 grand per year, I lose some way, I gain some muscles. Now, what does hold frame mean? Hold frame is about having self-esteem, understanding what your personal boundaries are. Yeah. You know, how are you going to let somebody talk to you, how are you not going to let somebody disrespect to you, right? And knowing when a situation, whether it be business relationship,

friendship, familial relationship, serve you and it's causing problems with like, you know, your foundational boundaries, it is okay for you to walk away and create the life that you need to create because I think a lot of people don't have a good concept of boundaries. And I think developing your own is a really helpful tool for living in above average life, in my personal opinion. That's what I teach guys when I do. I think. So when I run the workshops, the virtual workshops for the masculinity. empowerment network, we always focus on make money, make muscles, learn, game, hold frame.

And then the money is just make sure you have your money, make sure you have your finances and order, right? You don't need to be bawling out of control. But, you know, at least manage your money, not be hard up for cash in your 30s. Because as a man, in my opinion, in America, if you're after the age of 35 as a man, you're kind of broke, like,

you played your cards right. Like, it's America. Yeah. Bro, bro. That's reasonable, though, because a lot of these, you know, a lot of the content creators who operate in the space, like they say you have to be a six-figure earning man to be a high-value man. But like you, but you like disagree. I just think the concept high-value man doesn't necessarily have a monetary value attached to it, right? Yeah. I think 100,000 is a good thing to

shoot for for sure because it's an accomplishment for anybody who can pull that off. Yeah. But I just think ultimately a high-value man is a guy who is dedicated his life. to self-improvement, to being a student forever, having mentors and trying to level up, you know, age gracefully. There'll be such a fucking embarrassment to your family. Yeah. You know what I mean? Have some dignity.

That's what I want these guys to do. Man. Now, is there such a thing as a high-value woman? Yeah, of course. Yes, yes. Yes. So what's a high-value woman? I think Kevin Samuels, you had him on the show, right?

Kevin Samuels. Well, yes, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I think his definition is pretty good when he says, says fit, feminine, friendly, and faithful.

You know, I think that's good. For me, I just don't want a combative woman. A woman who wants to debate me or... Yeah, talkative.

Try like, no, no, talkative's okay, but, I mean, if she's just like, if I become her project, you know what I mean?

Like, she's just trying to tell me what to do and micromanage me and I'm like, listen, this is not, it's not the place for that.

You got to find another guy. just someone who understands conflict resolution, cooperation, harmony. And for me, the biggest thing is, because I think a lot of guys, they get, they're so thirsty, right? Because the thirst is out of control. Super. The thirst is absolutely out of control. I'm thirsty. I'm for sure thirsty, Moldee.

Yeah, well, I think both sides, the thirst is out of control. I think people need to just chill out, have a drink. My facts, man. In, I'm from what I was saying. Yeah, right? Like, what's a high-value woman? Oh, right, right, right. Just, yeah, being cooperative.

Yeah. You know, wanting to build together. You know what I mean? And then, yeah, just feminine, too. Because I think a lot of girls are kind of forced to, like, be a little bit more masculine because they're working. It would be competitive in the corporate world. Wait, though.

So a chick who wants MLD's attention, whose broke has no degree has no wealth to her name, has no assets, just as long as she's pretty, feminine, fit, faithful, and friendly, she can date NOD? No, no, no, you've got to have like a baseline

of like societal credit credentials, you know, you got to be trying to get some kind of skill to add to the economy, you know, you need to have basic money management skills, time management, like, could you date a girl that lives like a pig? Could you do that?

No, man. I can't do that. No, no, no, no. If she lives like a slob, I'm just like, I got to go. Like, sorry, it's been real. Yeah, right? Wait, though, right? So, here, right?

So then, like, that's my next question, right? Is, well, one, like, what's hypergamy? Well, that's what Rolo talks about, hypergamy, and it's just, I don't fully agree with this whole hypergamy. Yeah. Like, women are just sitting around, like, like, oh, just looking to upgrade my new man.

Like, you know, I don't think that women are, because women naturally, when they get something, women are happy when they're comfortable, in my opinion. You know what I mean? They're happy and comfort. They don't like when the job's unstable, the money's unstable. You know, the guy is kind of wild. You know, they like stability to like comfort.

So I think, where was it going with that? Yeah. Here, rest of look, right? right so look, rest of look. If men, right, if we don't require

for females to have money, right? Right, right, right. Then why are we upset that women are somewhat hypergamous, right?

Because for example, if we don't want to deal with chicks taking us to the fucking cleaners, then we should date chicks who are also wealthy, right? So going back to the hypergamy statement,

yeah, okay, So they're enjoying the comfort, so they don't necessarily have to jump and level up. Yeah. I mean, there are women like that, but I feel like those women are just perpetually miserable. If, like, you just have to, like, constantly upgrade somebody like they're an iPhone, you know? Well, here, right? So, question for you, right?

So, now, there's chicks are not dumb, right? So, like, for example, if a chick is dating, let's say, like, a guy who's, say, like, he's up, less than like $5 million, right? And he's faithful to her. He has made her the main chick. She's a wife. She's not going to go ahead and fuck no billionaire who is trying to make her a side chick, right?

Because she's already the wife of, you know, like a guy who's, you know, like who's wealthy. Right. But if a guy who's a billionaire wants to wife her up as well, then, you know, she's more than likely probably going to, you know. Yeah. Choose up, right? I just don't think all women are for sale like that.

I know, yeah, yeah. I think some women do have a moral code. Yeah. You know, and that's the biggest thing for me right now. Like, you know, the super hot, all this shit. Yeah. For me, it's like, do you have integrity? Mm-hmm.

Do you have integrity as a woman? That's what I'm looking for. Like, a woman who says what she's going to do and does what she's going to say. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just that alone is something I think that's going to be beneficial for both people in relationship. Yeah. bro, like,

you're so pro women. Like, why do you fuck do people have an issue with you, man? Oh, because all they do is they, they... The clips. Yeah, you could, you know, they just want to fucking drag you in the mud.

But if you, if you watch, I've been doing a show called Free Consultation Friday. Every Friday, since 2019, you can call me in, I sit on the phone for two to three hours. And you listen to how fucking harsh I am on these guys.

I tell them, you need to stop me pussy. You need to stop crying. Gaining what? Lose weight? No one's going to come save you. And if you listen to me when I give these guys coaching, you can see I hold them to extreme accountability, you know?

I do to women as well, but like my specialty is helping guys from a man's experience, you know? Yeah. So I just help them get what they want. Man. Now, what's your take on marriage, man? Should men be gay marriage? I think the governmental marriage is just a bad deal for everybody. Well, not everybody.

Yeah. But, you know, I work hard for my money. I don't want to put that up for grabs. I think it's a red flag if someone doesn't want to marry you. If you have a bunch of wealth, and you say you want her to sign a pre-up, I think it's a red flag if she's like, no, I definitely don't want to sign a pre-nup.

Now, what if she says, hey, Bay, like, I have no plans on ever cheating on you, or whatever, you feel of me, like leaving this. Why do you want one? I would just, I don't know, man, it's just bad, it's a bad business deal, no matter, no matter how you try to spin it. Yeah. Just signing a contract that at any time, if you decide to back out, any time, you can take half of everything. Yeah, right.

Bro. That's a little bad, that's a bad deal for anybody involved. Now, that's in here, right? So I, like, also and her, too, man, like, that, like, that, like, print us mean, like, absolutely, like, nothing now, right? because like Dr. The Drey had one, and he got taken for like a hundred million. Well,

I don't know. I've heard, I mean, I wouldn't say prenups are for nothing because I've heard cases of some of them working. Of course, course, good.

You know what? I think you only hear the cases of them not working because they're so devastating. But the news was like, oh, yeah, this pre-nup work. Like, nobody wants to hear that.

He wants to see going and somebody get fucked over. And the facts, right? Man, I mean, so you actually made this video where you actually said, hey,

listen, guys, I've been working. working out for a long time now. Like there's still some little, like, road spots on me. I'm gonna get, I think it's called LIPO, right? Yep. Right? And get rid of these low spots on me.

Yeah. Now, people took that and ran with it to kind of like, body shame you and character, assassinate you, man. So speak on that, man. So, one, what was the process in deciding to get LIPO? And then, like, speak on, like, the backlash for some of your, your enemies. So I guess they think they're like hurting me

by commenting on this documentary, but I just think they didn't really calculate like I've planned a whole documentary around this thing. I know. I didn't. I've seen that too. I wasn't planning to hide this. There was literally filling me on the surgery table.

You know, for me, look, I know everybody's trying to be cool and everybody's trying to be amazing and all this stuff. I'm trying to be anti-cool. I'm just trying to be as authentic and as real as possible. Because if you like me, you like me. If you don't like me, just let me know. I'll leave. You can leave too.

So I'm just trying to be as real as possible. So yeah, there's critics all around. Some people saying like, oh, you know, you lack discipline. You're not a real man. Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, great. Great. Go watch somebody else.

Yeah. I don't regret it. I fucking feel like I look fantastic. Look great. I'm happy with how I look. And I knew that people, I guess people think I'm dumb like I didn't expect back backlash

of me standing there post surgery I knew this was going to happen but I don't care you know what I mean I just don't care Who leaked it? You fucking You tell me Yo what the fuck

Do you like have like some secret Like government spies just Like just like follow you around Trying to find I'm not no no I wish my enemies were that smart My enemies are fucking retards Yeah, right?

Because I'm like, bro, one, like, how did anybody and, like, have the picture of MLD? Yeah, no, it was somebody on my inner circle, you know, because, you know, when you, sometimes when you become successful, people that you used to hang out with, yeah. Yeah, they kind of get salty and turn on you. Man, with the, like, like, okay,

so, like, have you ever, like, found out who did it, or, like, you're, like, completely, like, in the blue right, that's what? No, I have a good idea who did it, but I don't even, want to give this person the time of day because, you know, they can just stay where they are because they're never going to get up here with me. Bro, listen, bro, like, I'll be, like, scare shitless, bro.

Like, if I had, had, like, friends who I loved, it was great to and stood by. And then, because now, like, I have some fame or some light on me now, now they're coming back to try to, like, destroy me just because. Was there any type of, like, argument like you guys had, or they just did it, you know, just to He's fucking spiteful. No, no, just we had a group of individuals that were all high performing. And we had a chat group and then this person. Most, yeah.

It was just losing his mind. It's always talking to some crazy shit in there and we're like, all right, we have to remove you. And he went off the deep end. So he just, he just- Bro, that's a weirdo though. But that's a fucking weirdo. He proved us right.

That's a, bro, a nigga crashed out because he got removed from a group chat. Yeah. That's the, bro, that's the biggest weirdo I've ever seen. in my life, bro. Yeah, buddy. No, no. It was a good judgment call on my end, though. It was a good judgment call.

He was grown or he was like a kid. He was a man in his 30s. Listen, yo, I don't know who you are, bro, but like, bro, like, you're wrong for that, man. He's going to watch this. He stalks every fucking thing I do. It's a psychopath. You dead-ass wrong for that, bro. You crashed out and lost a friend because you got removed from a fucking group chat, man.

I've listened, man, but like, past that guy, man. Let's talk about the valutainment, right? So there's two moments, though, and on value attainment. No, no, sorry, no, just one moment. You, like, took time and out of your schedule to do a panel, and you was on there with a lady called Angela Knight.

Yeah. Now, when I watched it, it came off as an ambush, and here's why, right? Yeah. Because the lady who was on, like, the computer, when Angela Knight brought it up, she now started like speaking like, oh, you know, yeah, yeah, you feel me?

Like, oh, you know, like, oh, you know, like, don't deny it. It came off as of her and Angela Knight has spoken prior, and it was planned to kind of like confront you. So speak on, yeah, them confronting you and what was like going through your mind when you, you know, like when that happened?

So the biggest thing for me was I was so confused because I legitimately, no one believes me, but I legitimately don't remember this girl. Because she got upset because I wrote something in a chat group. Yeah. Like a chat, like a live stream chat. Yeah, yeah, of course. And then the girl at the computer, her name's Natalia.

She loves me. Oh, really? Yeah, she's my number one fan. Yeah. So she took the chat messages, showed it to Angela. Oh, wow. And started instigating it. And then they invited me for the show.

Yeah. And then they also invited Angela because wow that's what happened so the biggest thing that confused me

though was because I was backstage with all of them and I saw her and she didn't

say anything because I figured if you want to solve something with me come talking to me

one of one of one of right and so then the show

happens and they just ambushed anywhere and I told Adam too

at the beginning show I had to go because I was on at 6 yeah

I had to leave at 6 because the offices are in Fort Lauderdale I had to

get down to a podcast with Brandon Carter. Oh, welcome. At 7 p.m. His show Victory Talk. And I already told them ahead of time. I said at the beginning episode, too. So a lot of people were saying, like, oh, I ran off in fear or, like, Red Pill Guru owned, bro. You know?

Oh, man. I mean, I just knew. I was just like, the biggest thing for me, I just felt, it felt inauthentic because we could have squashed it behind scenes. Yeah. And then, so, yeah, she did her thing. And I was just like... Question, no. But if Valu team in, they hired Natalie, right?

Yeah, she works for them. So if that's their employee, how do they allow their employees to kind of like collude with a guest to kind of like to kind of like in ambush a guest? Like, the Adam tell you like, hey, bro, you feel me, man, like what she did was not cool? She's not going to be here no more? Or like, did they kind of just, you know, hey, you know, a bar moment? It was, I mean, you know, I was just confused about the whole thing. Yeah.

Yeah, I just, I said my piece on it. I did an episode called The Truth on my channel. You live on it. Wait, wait, though. So like, have you heard talk, like since then? Natalia? No, and Angela. Yeah, I made my response because she was saying a bunch of stuff about me that wasn't true.

I made my public response about everything. Yeah. I reached after her, I said, hey, look. Like, if you genuine, because, like, you said you're a piece. Yeah. No, I said my reply to all the things you're saying. Yeah. So we're done now.

And I said, you know, do you want to just? Squash it? I said, you want to get on a Zoom call, talk. Like, I'm willing to talk about this. Yeah. And she said, no. So I said, I said, I said, I'll. God bless you.

Well, amen. Wait, here, right? So, like, pass her, though. Let's go to the whatever clip, right? So now, listen, man, I know when you're like in Dornney's podcast, right? No, like we just, again, like, it gets like real easy, right? You know, to just talk, right? Right, right?

Right, like. Yeah. Like, if there was a bunch of people who saw a job was to clip me and out of context, then I would be looked at as the worst, the worst motherfucker and on the planet, right? Yeah. So now let's speak about the

indoor clip, right? Now, there's a clip that was going viral and on the whatever podcast. I brought, Adam, preached, did a video on a destiny, right? Yeah.

Where they essentially said that you said, again, this is what they're saying, that you said that if a woman is being abused that she should endure this day. So this is, the Florida just kind of, you know, to just, like, react to that and debunk it or talk about it, you feel me?

No, I just didn't even know that people would be so quick to try to drag me like that. Yeah. I was caught off guard, too. Yeah. Because when we met some of these people in real life. I was, like, really cool, cordial with them. Yeah, friends, yeah. And then, like, same now, I'll go home.

They're just, they're, like, smearing me. I just like, damn, I know people can be, like, that malicious in me. So, because I don't go around doing shit like that, you know what I mean? And so, yeah, when that clip happened, I was just saying that I think in general, one of those things is that people give up on everything too easily. And then she kind of just slipped that thing right at the end.

And I just talked to, I was like, just endure! You know, because I just wanted to say, you know, just push through things if it gets hard. Not like if your husband walks through the front door and, like, hits you with the chair, like it's WrestleMania. Like, I'm definitely not saying stick around in those kind of situations. So yeah, I just think it was taken out of context because I wasn't like, but that's what they try to do.

Like, you guys really think I would like put on a suit and fly to another country. Like, yeah, like, if you're a woman, you get your ass beat, just fucking endure a lady. Push on through, sister. You know, like, what the fuck, you know? Of course I don't support that. That's just asinine. Yeah. And I have a track record on my channel talking about it, too.

Of course. I mean, so the people who were swayed by this or who had negative opinion or whatever, that's fine. But I feel like it really cleaned out the ranks of my friends. And I just kind of see who everybody was when, you know, because you see who your real friends are when you're getting dragged in the mud, not when you're getting cheered. Yeah, here, right? So even, like, for example, right now, I'm not sure in terms of the status of you and the whatever

dudes, like, right? They're cool. I love Brian. Brian's a, dude, Brian's a. Dude, Brian's a smart guy, bro. Of course. He is a very smart guy. He optimized that system and, you know, made that thing take off very fast.

Very fast. Yeah, right? Yeah, because, bro, like, I'll be 100% with you, right? I never knew about the whatever podcast until, like, your clip, like the bitch clip, right? Yeah. Yeah. So when that happened, actually, that was his highest-fewed live stream. That was his highest fewed clips.

Like, we broke in all records. We broke live stream records on that show, wrote Super Chat Records, and we broke, you know, replay records as well. So that thing really, because I think a lot of people just saw how, I think really the girl was in Star

because she was so obnoxious. And I told her like, yo, you're just loud and obnoxious and you're rude. And I just called her out, and I just was just being genuine. And I think a lot of guys, I think it was a lot of catharsists for some guys who are like being bullied by women

or like, yeah, that's what I would say. That's what I would say to my ex-examines. of my ex-wife or something. Of course. So, yeah, that was it. Here, right? So, here, right? So after the indoor clip, like, went viral, right?

Yeah. Now, I'm gonna be like 100% with you, though, man. Like, when I seen other dudes who were on a panel with you, instead of y'all kind of just, like, sticking together and maintain and frame, like, they were going on other podcasts and saying, hey, listen, you know, you know, like, he's him. you know, that's not me, I ain't say it, right? Like, kind of, like, kind of, you know, like, they were kind of like, you know, like,

distances themselves away from you, man. So did you even feel that way? No, you know, I just focused on the people who were there for me. Myron was down from day one. He's like, I got your back, bro. He's like, I know what you meant. So big shout out to him. I just feel like the people that mattered knew my perspective because, again,

I'm not, like, going to get on a huge show and be like, yeah, If you're getting your ass beat, just like to rub some dirt on it, sister? No. Yeah. Now, and which critic do you think had the most asinon hip piece on you? Yeah, I don't want to give these people a time of day. I don't even give these people a time of day, you know? Listen, all I know is that I've been doing a good work.

I've been putting in the hours, you know, I run my business super legitimately. So, you know, I'm just putting out a good word. talking about these guys, you know, make money, make muscles, learn game, hold frame. Focus on these things and just be smart when you're choosing a chick. Not, don't be overly critical. Don't be overly optimistic. Yeah. Be a healthy medium.

Be realistic about your outcomes too, I think managing expectations because both men and women, the reason they're complaining is because they do want a partner. It's not that they hate each other. But a lot, you know, a lot of people on both ends, too, have been just dating shitty person after shitty person. They kind of just have a jaded experience of dating in general. Yeah, of course. And so they think just like, oh, I'm just going to give up, you know.

Yeah, man. Bro, like, what's the difference between an in-cell and a simp? Or are they just both the same thing? I think an incel is a guy who just, he wants to get laid, but he can't. That's what it means, involuntarily celibate. Yeah. The simps are the biggest problem with America. Oh, really?

A sense are worse? At least the insales are not contributing to the problem. Yeah. The simps, you know, some simps get rewarded some sex after years of simping. Years of simping. After grovelling and begging. She might slip up. She might slip up once or twice, but these guys will just finance a girl.

And all you're doing is just financing bad behavior. It's like the government. Anything you get subsidized grows, you know. Wait, though. So look, so, am I a simp, man? Listen, because look. I don't know about that. Look, because look, right?

Look. So, hey, right? Like, you know, me and my girl has been together for about like four years now, right? Okay. She knew me before I had some money. So now I do have some money. I like to, you know, like reward her. Yeah.

That's not simping. Because she knew me, you know, before the money. That's not simping. Ah. In my opinion, that's rewarding a female's loyalty for taking care of you, you know. Yeah. She supported your dream. Yeah, facts.

I guarantee she was a big part of making it happen. Absolutely. You know? Yeah, right. See, and that's a lot of things some of these red pill guys don't get. They have never had a positive experience with a woman. They build something together or that he does something great because he had a good woman in his corner.

You know what I mean? I think a lot of red pill guys miss out on that because you do have to be a certain character of a man for that kind of woman even to give you the time of day. Absolutely. You know, there has to be some kind of standards that you're meeting there. Yeah. She's not going to just, you know, submit to you.

because you're a man and like, you need to work at 7-11. Yeah, hey, hey, listen, Rachel, look, like, one of my, like, my, you know, like, like, biggest, you know, like biggest flexes, right, bro, was, I got a girl who was fit, feminine, submissive and friendly. Okay. Way before any type of, like, internet cloud. Yeah. You're friendly, right?

Now, now, here, a question for you, right? So, let's say this. Again, hypothetical, right? If a multi-billionaire, right, came and said, A, M-L-D, I want you to fix my son, right? I will pay you whatever it takes to have a one-in-one session with him, right? Now, if you have to choose between a simp or an in-sell, who could you fix from being a simp or an in-cell to being a J-J-Chad stud within six months? Six months is a lot of time I have it before an actor photo

I could show it for one of my guys This took about two years though Oh really? Yeah But he did a really good job Right But I don't think it I think simping is a sign of like mommy issues

Yeah That's what I think I think it's like I think it's a symptom of something Worse You know So I think the in-cell As long as he has the

desire. Yeah. He just doesn't give a shit. Yeah. You can't help anybody doesn't want to help. Like, this is a guy. Two years.

Oh, shit. Yeah. There's the same. Wow. Yeah. Yo. Yeah. Yo, listen, yo, like,

listen, like, dude went from... Here, you don't have to show this on the camera. You can see his face there. You don't put it on the camera. No. He's a good-looking guy, too. Well, now he's good-looking.

Yeah, he turned it around. He turned it around. God damn. Yeah. Listen, Paul's like, I'm not getting it. Yeah, dude went from like, like this fucking dweeb to like a jitter chat, right? Like, wait, how did you do that? So again, I told him that because there's a little bit of a backstory.

You know, he was in L.A. He's a good looking guy's jacked and stuff. Because he was working on himself to go from that nerdy state to like, you know, getting better. And he kind of got caught up with this idea of like being an actor and like being a celebrity star. I was like, okay, like, I said, honestly, you should probably focus on, like, getting a solid skill in your life. Absolutely. That you contribute to the economy. And then make sure you have that.

And then, like, pursue the acting on the side because the chances of you making it big. And I'm not trying to shit on anybody's dream either. You know what I mean? It's a delicate balance, but you have to be a little bit more realistic about what you bring to the table as an individual. So I said, I think you should just look into getting solid employment. So in my network, we have two guys that teach how to code and also how to teach how to be pen testers in cybersecurity. Yeah. And so we actually are a little bit of a job core too.

Really? And so he ended up getting a job as a computer programmer and he's on his way to make six figures and he's in his 20s. Oh, man. It's inevitable in his career path. So stuff like that. And that way now he's got a good job. He's Jack, he's smart, he knows about game a little bit. His life right now is like...

No, he's getting a lot of girls. Has dramatically improved to this point, right? Right, you know, instead of like chasing this actor dream. And again, I'm trying to have a balance between, you know, trying enough to shit on people's dreams, but also being realistic. Yeah. Because now everybody's going to be a star. Yeah, of course.

I think everybody thinks they're going to be CEO. Everybody thinks they're going to be this top G and everybody's going to be this and that. Of course. You know, I think you just need to be a little bit more realistic and just, sit out to live an above average life, but don't, like, don't be grandiose with ambitions. Listen, so Destiny, so, listen, I try to, listen, I try to build a bridge. Oh, did you?

I tried. Oh, God. Right? I try. Now, he told me, though, that here's why he don't like you, right? Is he feels as if you were really nice to him. I was. And then when he wasn't there, you were mean to his wife.

No. I was nice to her, too. Like, when I seen her backstage, gave her a hug, even though she was, like, in the middle of putting that indoor clip out. And then, but then on the stage, she started getting nasty. And then he says I was being mean, try. I said, that's just a destiny debate tactic when they just try to, like, talk fast. And, you know, I was just highlighting what she's doing. And I guess he took that as a personal attack.

But I was just like, dude, you know, I don't know. This guy's like obsession with me. He's a little weird, you know. Hey. Wait, though, right? So, wait, wait. So like, oh, wait, okay. So you really have no issues with destiny.

I mean, now. This, just what he did just was, in my opinion. Wrong. Just a sign of low character, you know. And I'm not about like that. I made my rebuttal, but, you know, this thing recently that happened, I just don't, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I'm not doing beef. I just, it's not my, it's not good for your mental health. It's not good for the business.

Like, these beef things, I'm just not all about that. Yeah, man, wait, sorry. You're good. Oh, here, man. Yeah, man, yeah, brusely. Here, right, so, you know, I can't remember this and say, say, hey, listen, man, you know, just wait for him. y'all can talk for like five minutes before we start you feel me you know but you know he really wasn't interested in having that conversation he didn't want to see me face to face oh really damn

now wait though like it hasn't gotten like that toxic yet right to where you feel me right like it's you know i just i just really got nothing to say about that guy yeah man just sign a low character in my opinion you know and i'm i'm i didn't set up to this internet thing to like fight people online and get clout and all this stupid shit. You know, I'm here to help guys out. That's what I do. Yeah, man. Now, now, all right, man.

So, like, you made like a six-hour response video, right? To all the bullshit, to all the hate, right? Yeah. So, yeah. So what was the biggest misconception that happened? Like, bro, listen, because there was like a week where it was like the album and preach video. discontent creator where there was leaking like, oh, group time I'm not seeing, blah, blah, right?

So what was the biggest misconception that took place in that week'span where it was canceled and ban MLD? I mean, whatever they can get their hands on, right? Yeah. I mean, I think the endure thing was the biggest thing because they were just just trying to say that. I'm just telling you to stay in there. You're getting your ass beat.

It's so funny. It's really comical, too. And I know, like I said, right now, it's the trend to, like, shit on the red pill guys, the masculine self-improvements, influencers, whatever you want to call me, right? I know it's a trend. But I also know this is eventually, you know, blow over. And I'm still going to be here doing my thing. You know what I mean? This is just they've been doing it to everybody.

So I kind of saw it coming. Well, here, right? So I feel like you will last, like, because you're more. you're more moderate, right? The other dudes who are like, you know, who are extreme. Who do you define as extreme? Pearl is definitely extreme. Really? You think pro is extreme?

Like, pros are women should evolve. Like, that's... Right? Right? So, like, extreme... That's not realistic. That's the thing. I don't want to talk... Because the name of my company is modern life dating and the subtitle is Better Solutions for Today. Because I'm about solving the problem.

And I think the people that sit around and complain about the problem, that's all they're mentally capable of. They actually don't have solutions. You see there, there's 1,000 plus other guys like this who have turned their lives around. And so that's what I care about. I don't care about all this, you know, sit around complaining about the problem. Because I know some content creators make a big audience complaining about the problem. And then eventually that turns to shitting on women. And then now you have a toxic community.

The facts. So I'm not about that. You know what I mean? And if I'm critical of anybody, it is definitely men. Like I said, look at the track record I have. Yeah. Now, all right, man. So, now, what do you think is the status of the current state of the Red Hill movement, right? Because here's my thing, bro.

Like, every oppressed group, right? Like start off here in terms of the pendulum of, like, justice, right? Right. Even feminism, right? you know, there was chicks and who started here and they were fighting for their rights fighting, fight, fight, fighting.

Then it got equality and then they kept on pushing, push and pushing, right? Right. So with the incels, the men, right? So it started off here where, yes, we understand the message. Yeah. Then it got pushed, like, like, like, now is,

we passed, we passed, like, the death center, right? Like, now it's extremist talk. So, like, where do you see the red pill going? Because I'll be real, bro. Like, guys like you were more than likely, you know, like survive, right? But do you see the extremist red pill talk being a thing? Like, would that last? I think that's a good question.

I think the people who are being extreme too, they're doing it just for shock factor to, extent. So we'll see how long it lasts. But I just think like, I don't know, the extreme stuff is just not good. But at the same time, with the Redfield community, right, it is growing. And probably at its largest it's ever been. Absolutely. And it's not because a bunch of guys are just like commiserating and like trying to like form a hate group. It's like a lot of these dudes are getting burned. Yeah. You know? And there's the other side of the coin too. is a lot of these single female shows

and stuff, and they dogpile on men all day. Absolutely. A lot of these chicks traumatized, they just think no good men exist. So I think, I say this to my people all the time, right? Quality women are hard to find, and quality men are hard to find. The number one thing women ask me is like,

where can I go to find a good guy? That's the number one thing women ask me. Like, where can I go to find a good quality man? Yeah, what, Jim? I would just tell them, I would say, I start with places not to go. It's like, don't go to bars, don't go to clubs. Because if your objective is to look for and find a quality guy,

at the club, you know, you're not going to, your chances are not as good. Yeah. You know what I mean? At bars and stuff like that. So I just say avoid places that they wouldn't be. Now, where should we go to find high-quality women, though? Like, what?

Yeah, that's hard too. Now, that's even tougher, right? It can't be the gym because the gym is like It's self-absorbed Influorce chicks It can't be a club Right? Like it's not tender

Because holds me lying Yeah You got to find I think you just find Normal girls Quality women Doing normal stuff So they have a daily routine

Absolutely They have a job They spend time with their family They're involved in some kind of community You know girls that are always going out Partying Or always out You know

Trying to catch a hide or some shit. Yeah. You're just inviting trouble into your life. Like, it's hard. Again, I would just tell people, make sure you're going where you're going to know that the high-vali people would be,

not where they would avoid. You know what I mean? Clubs and all that. I hesitate to say church because, like, church is 50-50. But I would say I would rather take my chances in a church than a nightclub. What, wait, though.

So, like, speaking of church, right? So what's your take on? Because it seems like some, you know, like the Red Pill dudes now hijacking the Islam movement and it's coming off as disin, genuine, and they're doing it like just because it's now trending to.

Yeah. So how do you like feel about the hijacking of religion now for, you know, for the rap hillshouldership? I think if you're not genuinely a believer of Allah, then you shouldn't pretend to be a Muslim. Yeah. Hey, that's facts.

You know, it goes back to integrity. Like I was saying, really, integrity for men and also integrity for women. So I just don't like fakeness in general. Absolutely. I just don't like fakeness. Yeah. If you hate me, just hate me.

Hate me to my face. You know, if you like me, like me in my face. It's fine. But, you know, this, that, I just think that's how bad it's gotten, though, too. Because at least now they're like, at least I can kind of hide under the blanket of religion. You do it.

But, dude, I just got back from London. Have you been to London? No, man, never been. Bro, I was surprised when I saw how many Muslims were there. Oh, yeah. Wait, would I, like, like the brown Muslims or like the white, you know, like the white Muslims. I saw Muslims of every color. Really?

I saw white ladies. I saw black ladies. Yeah. I saw Africans. I saw Indonesian Muslims. It's a surprising, large amount of Muslims. And you're a Christian, right? I guess you could say, I was, I bet you didn't know this.

Did you know I was in school to be a pastor? No. Yeah, when I was young. See? Wait, though. And that's where your Immacclis suit game come from. I would say probably maybe my public speaking a little bit more. Yeah.

I just started the suits as a hobby about two years ago. Really? Yeah, so. I like it. How do you afford, like, here, right? Because you wear a bunch of nice suits and like, I hardly see you repeat. So how do you afford so many suits? I only have six.

Really? Yeah, six quality suits. Bro, we can't tell. I alternate the shirts and the guys. I try to keep it fresh. Six. This is a fresh look. This is the all-black look, man.

This is custom for no jumper. I've never wore this outfit on a podcast. Yeah. Hey, question though, right? So now... The podcast in the world, right? Hey, listen, listen. Well, bro, I feel bad now, man.

I came with sweats on. I feel bad because I got still little subscribers. I'm trying to make you like that. No, man. No, man. Wait. Question, man, right? So the last question for you, man.

is in five years. What does success look like for MLD? I want to be, I want to be bawling out of control, as Brandon Carter would put it. I want to be living in a way that, you know, I have assets that are covering all aspects of my expenses.

And I would like to start teaching a little bit about business to guys and making money. Because I have a background as a recruiter, so I know how to optimize resumes. I know to optimize negotiation for, higher salaries because right now the market is starting for quality candidates.

A lot of people think like there's no jobs. There is a desperate need for quality people. If you can show up on time, you have skills. You can make money, especially in American. You can live good. It takes you, you can just apply yourself for like three to five years and you can never have to worry about money again. And listen,

I need to hire you for like my next no jumper contract negotiation. You feel me? Right? Right, man. Oh, wait though, bro.

I forgot to ask you, right? Go ahead. Andrew Tate. Yeah. So how do you think his situation is going to end? I just, I wish nothing but goodwill for Andrew Tate and Tristan. I think this situation they're going through right now is awful. Yeah.

I think he's hell on earth. Yeah. I feel bad for them. They don't need anybody's picture. but I see them getting terribly dragged right now. And I just genuinely, I wouldn't wish that on my worst thing, you know. Well, listen, I for sure wish that order. I for sure wish that order of my worst headings.

Right? I don't know, man. Karma is real. Karma is real. Shit, listen, man, LOD, as much as these, as much as like some of these guys done like drag your name in the mud, man, you for sure, but you for sure, But you should for sure wish the worst on them, you feel me?

The worst. No. Right? I just, yeah. I just, honestly, I just, it's just devastating to see what these guys are going through. Because it doesn't, it does seem like a political move. It doesn't seem like a justice move. Yeah.

And like when you watch, like, what's going on with them, though, right? Yeah. Does that, like, caution you, like, listen, man. Like, there's, like, like, there's obviously, like, a ceiling of how much, money I should make and how big I should get, right? Because I think Andrew said is he had no problems when he was a millionaire. But the minute he crawls over into the billion, that's when the issues are coming in, right?

So for you, is that like a caution of I should never be a billionaire or fuck that? I'm going to try to be one if I can't. No, because even the amount of notoriety that I have right now, I'm not a big fan of it, honestly. No? No. Like, even it's, any time somebody has seen me in the street, it's always been positive. Absolutely.

Positive, respectful, pretty educated people, too. When I do my meetups, you know, great guys come through. Everybody's just on a life path of self-improvement, trying to make themselves a better individual. But, I don't know, I just like having my privacy. I think it's like, I know, I feel like people that want clout, they're like, mom didn't hold them enough as a child. I want clout. I need, I need all the calms. Hey, NOD listen, right?

Well, here, listen, though, if I could choose between your money or cloud, I'll probably choose the money, right? Right. But, listen, your clothes nice, too, man. I guess so. You know, because it's hard for me to gauge, too, because I live in Tokyo. Oh. You know? So I'm just having my little rants in my bedroom in Tokyo, but then it's going everywhere in the States.

and I don't see a direct, you know, correlation. I just see when I go back on my trips because I come to America, probably like three to four times a year. Wait, wait, so like, how diverse is Tokyo? Like, do you like... There's no diversity in Tokyo. Japan is 98% Japanese. Really?

Yeah, and then the other, like, one percent is, like, Chinese and Korean and a small fraction of one percentage. It's white, black, doesn't? Black people, Africans, Americans, you know, Europeans. Wait, the, so did you ever, like, missed, though, like, being able, like, to date, like, the black chicks and the white chicks and, like, the Cambodian and the Hispanics, like... Recently, when I went to London, I met a lot of nice girls. Yeah. Of all assortments, too.

British girls are softer than I expected them to be. Yeah, and they're more, like, eloquent, too, right? Yeah, it's the accent for sure. Yeah, right? Listen, though. And tell me if I'm wrong, right? I've always, like, hey, right? So, like, for example, in 2015, where Milo Yonoplas, right,

I always say, brother, the British accent is a cheat code because they just sound smarter. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Brough. Listen, no, man. I need to head London, right?

Yeah. No, no, but listen. I need to come to, like, totally. Right. And listen, and do like, listen, like a pickup artist thing with you, feel me, right? No pickup artist thing with me, but I'll give you a good tour. I'll show you, yeah, man.

I'll take your clubs where they're looking for black guys. Hey, man, hey, people, man, bro, listen, yo, listen, man, this was a good interview, man, right? You got me on. Right? You know, I'm just happy, bro, that you finally got a chance to just speak your peace to breathe Thank you. Without being ambushed, without being yelled at. You feel me?

Right. Thank you. Right? Thank you. Hey, hey, listen, bro. Listen, bro, like you're a really friendly guy. Thank you. Right?

You feel me, man? So, hey, listen, man, folks, man, follow him at where? Modern Life dating on YouTube. And then my Instagram is Hot Dude Life. Hot Dude Life. Yeah. It started as a joke and it took off. Hey, hey, listen, man, hot do life on Instagram.

Yeah. And Modern Life Day in on YouTube? Yeah. Is there like a Twitter kick, rumble? No, that's pretty much it. Those two are the most important. Okay, yeah, man, folks, okay, man, listen. No Jumper Quill's podcast in the world, man.

We're out of here, folks. Peace out, man.