No Jumper - Morray on "Quicksand" Getting 50 Million Views, Industry Plant Accusations, Jail Stories & More

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

North Carolina's own Morray talks about having one of the hottest songs of 2020, how being discovered for his music changed his life, the J Cole, JayZ and Dababy cosigns, being a nice guy who can still square up if you try him and loving his fans! https://www.instagram.com/morrayda1/ https://twitter.com/morrayda1 ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today we have one of the hottest up-and-coming artists on the scene. Marais, how you feeling? Hey, I'm feeling blessed and feeling good. How you feeling, baby? Great, man. I'm a big fan of the music. And as soon as I started to see you on camera and shit, I was like, wow, this guy's a

fucking rail light. I like it. Hey, I appreciate it. Hey, I'm just trying to be different. Smile more than you've been able to this. Where does that positivity come from, though? It feels like so many people in the rap shit are kind of like consumed with the tough guy image and everything.

You seem like you have a big. bit more of a jolly vibe going. I ain't going to front to you. Like, everybody can be tough. It's easy to shoot the guns. It's easy to get the gun. It's easy to be the gangster. But it's easy to smile.

I feel like that's hard now to be like, you know, I'm fucking happy. Nah, nigga, like, I grew up in church, so I got hell of love for everybody to begin with. So I love myself too, so I stay happy that way. I always smile because when you leave respect, you get it back. Definitely.

So do you think the church should have a huge impact on you? And was it musical as well as just sort of social and cultural? I think like with the church, it'll help you deal with the good and the bad because it's probably like super nice and sweet but it's also brutally honest and I think when you are 16, 15 and you sing in the choir

somebody tell you, hey, they ain't your damn song it's easy to be acclimated in the real world because that's how everybody is. Everybody thinks they have an opinion and give you an opinion. It's crazy because you think in a perfect world that you would have schools pushing kids to get into music.

But was that your memory of being in school or is like I know a lot of schools probably have almost no budget for like music class and shit. No, in school, I was, I wanted to play sports and mess with the girls. So, like, I wasn't really focused on music too much until, like, I got a little older and started realizing I got locked up, but couldn't go to school. So I had to find something else to do.

But while I was in school, it was just like girls and sports, I just want to play football. Right. Like, real rap. Right. For sure. When did the, so when did your football dream start to fade away? Like, I was like 16. I got arrested.

I ended up going to a place called Glenn. mills and I came out of I came out of it I got my god I got my GED and I was like y'all trying to go at school and I forgot if you get a damn GED you can't go get a high school diploma oh you can't even get one I didn't know like and I was the stuff that I was doing in my city they kind of like ban me from my district of schools so I would have to like move like super far and I couldn't afford that so I just said fuck it what else can I do why they ban you from all the schools in general when I first moved to the city like I got I got kicked out of the school and they put me like in the trailers and the back

of the school. Oh, okay. And then I got kicked out of those, and they created a school for other kids like me. And then, like, I got kicked out of that school. Right. So it's like, the nigger ain't no more chances for your head. But we didn't get you all the goddamn chances. It sounds like you kind of had like two lives where you had like the clean cut version of your life where you're playing football and like going to school and shit. And then you're also like simultaneously just finding ways to get in trouble and shit. I was a follower. Like no kids. Like, bro, I was one of the biggest followers. I just want to be down. I just wanted to be cool. I just wanted to be that nigga.

So I got myself in situations where I probably knew I shouldn't have been. into, but fuck it. They're doing it show them. I don't do that shit. And it took me to like really be fucking up and be like, oh, I got nothing left but me to realize, like, let me just chill the fuck out and slow down. That's crazy because like there's so many kids who are followers, but they just will probably never realize

or never be able to verbalize that. Because that's like pretty much what happens as soon as you start going to school, is that you just sort of keep getting introduced to all these new ideas of like what you're supposed to be like. And then it becomes very hard, I think, for a kid who is unique to really, like, you have to be so

strong will to not give in to the crowd. Yeah, and I wasn't. I understand that now. Like, looking back on who I was, I was definitely just trying to be accepted. I didn't really give a fuck about perception unless it was accepted. And now I'm, I understand I'm 28, so I'm like, if you don't accept them by now, fuck you. Like, I want to be cool. I want to be nice. I want to be a good dude. I got kids, so, like, we all compete gangsters. That's the easiest shit to do. Like, it's easy to sit across somebody and steal them or slap them or rob a nigga. But is it really easy to turn the other cheek. It's easy. Like, you know what, bro, that was, it is what it is. You feel me? It's easy to get a million views saying fuck somebody's dead homies.

Okay, because that's the nature. That's the narrative nowadays. Fuck your homies, gang, bang, kill, niggas, shoot, niggas. Bro, like I said, that's the easiest shit you could do. It's not hard to be a thug, but it's really hard to be a good person. And I think that shit is like, no matter what kind of music you make, whether you make that kind of music or not, you still can be a fucking good person. You make the fuck you, you make songs for niggas who really still doing the shit you used to do. Like you give them motivation. But nigger, as your own person be,

nigga, you still could be nice and be gangster. Why not? Definitely. So what was the arrest for that you actually got locked up there? I was in school, like, and funny story, I was, I had just got arrested for some shit that we did a long time ago, and I was actually already

on probation at the time. I was in school, writing my girl a little love letter, like no kidzy. Like, she went to the regular high school, so I was getting ready to walk it up to and do some nice shit. Like, I just wanted to, you know, fuck a good. High school was great, man. I used to write notes too.

Facts. I was like, hell yeah. I was like, yeah, I love you. Go on a date. Yes, no. It was chilling. My girl would be so happy if I wrote her a note. I hope she didn't see this.

So, like, one of my teachers, no Kizzy, we was in a school and we have intervention specialists. Like, they were able to, like, they were able to, like, they would, like, they were scared straight shit. Facts. It was really hands-on. Like, you damn they'd be scrapping in there. So, like, I guess one of one of the teachers was upset because I had free time.

I'm like, I always did my work fast, and then after that, I bullshit it. So I was like, back, says I don't want to get in trouble. Let me just do this from my girl or whatever. He kept throwing it away. I'm like, bro, I got permission already. Bull, I wish I could do it. So, like, stop. Like, stop throwing my shit away because you're going to piss me all.

Right. And everybody knew who I was. Like, just chill out, bro. Like, I'm trying to have a good day. Like, let me have a good day. I go through a lot of shit every day. Let me have a good fucking day. Right.

He didn't understand. So when he grabbed it the last time, I grabbed him by his shirt and I headbuttered him. and then we just started, we started mixing. I would not want to get hit by you. No, it's hard. You got a strong looking neck here. That shit is crazy, bro. That shit is crazy.

But I look, it's been through some things. It's been through some things. It's been through some things. I would say, though, I do regret doing that because he was a good dude. I was in a different space, and I felt like he was, like, pressure me. When I probably could have just, like, you know what, fuck I'll just tell her when I see her. I could have just told her in person. I made a lot of teachers' lives hell.

And I can look at that now and say, wow, that must be such a fucking hard job. The hardest. You're getting paid jack shit. And you got to deal with all these kids who all got their own issues going on. You know what they've been dealing with at home and shit. Oh, my God. I don't know what camera it is, but if any person that taught me in school, listen, hey, I'm sorry. I fucked up.

I wish you nothing but the best in success. If you write me, I will apologize to you like verbatim again. I don't care. Just sorry. You can organize that for sure. No, I'm sorry. I'm probably watching. Wait, so, okay, that happens, and how long you get locked up for?

I was in there for, like, I want to say 18 months, or close to 18 months. And then after that, I got out. I was like, yo, like, this is whack. Like, I get tired of seeing niggas next to me every five minutes, like, get away from me with the girls at. This is weird. So that's how it affected you as you were like, I never want to come back here? Yeah, like, I didn't, some people go there and they get a persona like, oh, that shit's

hard. Like, I'm a gang-shin out. Some people love it. That shit, whack. Like, it's a growing man telling you when it's something. sleep, I want to eat, want to shave, want to shit. That's whack. Like, stop telling me what the fuck to do when I can be free.

Be a good person and still have a good life. And then I'm lit, like, bro, you keep the bullshit. Like, a lot of niggas don't even be like that. Like, bro, we can just scrap. Like, if you think about a lot of niggas who will be like, I kill you, if we face to face, I'm like, bro, let's scrap, it's going to be different. I kill your ass now. Let's scrap.

I blow your, let's scrap. Why you keep avoiding the fight part? But did you end up fighting a lot while you're like that? Of course. Because of my person, like, I always been like, it's weird when you grow up being bully, then you become the bully, and then you're trying to change. Because then, like, certain situations, you'll be confused of who you want to be. So I got to a lot of fights because of my own actions, but also because niggas, I'm a nice guy. They're going to try you, bro.

And you kind of like, prison is a place where, you know, in the real world, ruling by fear and making everybody afraid of you and just trying to have this power over people and shit, like the way that you kind of have to move in prison. is just like not a great idea. And in the real world, if you're shook night, then it's not looked at as a good thing. In prison, you kind of have to be shug night. Yeah. I mean, I ain't ever been in prison. Right.

So, like, so the niggas have been in prison, y'all doing y'all some real shit. Like, that shit is crazy. But, like, whether it's prison, whether it's jail, whether it's anything you ever been in. You got to find out who you are. And it's hard to find out when, who you are amongst a bunch of fake motherfuckers who also create narratives.

So it's like, damn, if we all creating a character, who the fuck is this person really when we by ourselves? Right. Like, we're cool now. We're talking over dinner. In the next five minutes, somebody got some money. Now I'm stabbed the fuck up because I don't know your narrative, bro. I don't know who you are because you're pretending.

I'm pretending. We're all fucking pretending to be safe. So you were locked up in Fayette, though? No, Pennsylvania. Oh, they moved you all the way over there. No cap. No, actually, I went to school from PA from 12 years old until 18 years old. Oh, okay.

From 2018, I was in Lebanon, Pennsylvania. Okay. And so culturally, like, was it? That's what fucked me up. It was just a different type of dude out there? Like, that shit. Like, the city is so fast. And I give so much respect to like people from the country that move to the city because it's a big difference from like the niceties and the the normal conversations.

Like I mean, granted, you know, down South High has this shit too, but like it's easy to talk. That's why I'm so easy to talk to people because like I'm from the South. But from the city, it's like there's a whole bunch of stairs and like I'm foot with your whole. It's a lot that I didn't know how to do. When you have that many people crammed into one space, I feel like they don't end up being as friendly to each other because there's so much competition for. everything, whether it's a job or a hustle or a girl, et cetera, when it's more spread out and people have a little bit more room. Because you're right, when you're down south, there's a completely different energy.

Completely different, real. But I definitely understood that, like, me living there for six years and I understand like, yo, I know why they're like that. Because it's hard to build friendships and hard to build trust with people that will change on you in a second. In the city, it's progressive to have different outlets and maybe switch up a little bit. like, oh, nah, because right now I'm a, but now you can't switch up at all. So it's like, now what's the narrative?

Like, I can't be, did it, or now I gotta be. It's just a lot in the city to keep up with when you're from the south. And I just, I just love the country, but I love the city too, but I'm just more home in the south. For sure. When you said that you had a thing that you had gotten caught up for that was from years prior, was that the breaking into houses shit? Yeah, that's the, that's the stuff that I don't want to talk about. But, you know, like, that's shit that I should. I shouldn't have done that I know better now for that I've had my consequences for that

if I had to go back, I would never do. So, but when you get out of prison or a jail that time, did you just decide, like, I'm going to completely change my life and was music already floating around in your head at that point? Not the first time, like, it didn't. I didn't really, like, getting locked up didn't bother me at first. Like, at first I was like, all right, I'm going. Like, for two weeks, I came out, I was like super different.

I was all you all, yeah, what's up, man, yeah. And then all of a sudden, I was like, fuck it. Like, I'm back in the hood. And then the shit with the teacher happened, like I got locked up again. And then like now I'm like, yo, I'm about to be 18. Niggas is trying to chew at me now.

This is weird. I got beefing. I got the fuck out of this city. This shit is not for me no more. Like, this shit is crazy. Did you notice people treating you differently after you did that 18 months? Like, treating you like you're a real man now all of a sudden?

Not even the case. I think when I got out, I separated myself from everybody used to chill with it. Because I felt like I came out the first time. Chew the same niggas, did the same shit. Came out again. If I did the same thing,

I'm gonna, I don't want to be around a bunch of people with my appendage all day just talking in the shower and shit. Now, I'm sitting, I'm taking the shit. You sit next to me having a full-blown conversation. Like, I'm uncomfortable, bro. Like, I don't like being uncomfortable. You got to wonder, like, I wonder about people who are comfortable in that environment just because me as a person, it's like, when I think about what I want in our life, it's like, you know, yeah, like, just freedom. Like, like, being able to just do whatever you want. And, like, to even take a risk, like, to fucking.

rob a bank or shoot up somebody's house or whatever, just knowing that the likely result is that you're going to lose all your freedom and just be stuck in this fucking box. It's just like, I would do so much shit before I put myself in line of that happening, you know? And the thing is, some people don't have a choice. This is true, yeah. And that's why it's like you have to understand that sometimes like robbery, say boom, you worked all day. You worked all day, eight hours shift.

You made your money. You're going home. It's a dude that's been looking all day how to feed his kids. He don't know no other choice, but you coming down his block, what you got. It ain't because he know who you are.

I ain't got no choice. You there, and I need it. So, like, I definitely understand certain decisions, but, like, it's, once you make your mistake, you got to learn from it. It's like, you're going to come out and do the same shit.

You're going to do it again to go visit the same niggies you just seen? Like, it's a YouTuber. I think his name was Dr. Mr. Carnivore, I don't know the name, but he always said, like, never home, just visiting. Like, it's funny as hell, but it's a mindset that most

niggas who go to prison and come out really just visit them when they come home. Like, because they're going back. And a lot of niggas understand that shit, so, like, boom, I'm already a gangster. I already been locked up twice. I already ain't got nothing going for me. Fuck, I'm going to say last down. No, nigga, you can still change your narrative.

Work harder. If you get locked up, go to prison, you're telling yourself that you're going to be at the mercy of everybody else because when you come home, you got to work harder than you've ever did before just to be normal. And it sucks. And they set it up so that you only need to fuck up a little bit for them to send you back. And you're dealing with people who clearly already have an issue with fitting in and following

instruction. There's probably a reason why they ended up in prison. They're probably at least a little antisocial or dealing with some shit. So, like, I mean, the idea that this is the best way to treat people who have, like, committed a crime is just, it's crazy. It makes it almost impossible for you to re-assimilate. It's so weird. If somebody comes home, bro, get him a shot. Like, nope. I'm not saying be oblivious to the major concerns. But what I'm saying is like, if you see a nigga really trying to do something different, why hold that man back? It ain't even by being black, white,

you don't anybody. You see if somebody's trying to do better, why would you hinder them? Yeah. Bro, just let them succeed. We pose to fall. Anybody perfect? If I fall, you telling me, you greater than God, you're going to tell me what the fuck I can and can't do with my life? That's weird. Lock me up, okay, I fucked up, but when I come home, it should be a clean slate. I don't know what the fuck going on. Right, wouldn't that be nice? Like, bro, it could be a little more different, bro.

I just feel like it's like, who owns water and electricity? The government, I guess. But how? Why the fuck I pay for it? I don't understand none of that shit. So why the hell are we still making shit? We don't understand. It's just, I don't know, it's weird to me.

I feel it. But okay, so when did you start really thinking about the music thing? Were you thinking about it all along the way? Or did you have anything that you really thought you were talented at, that you might be able to make something on yourself doing? Music always been a part of my life, whether I was just singing somebody else song. Music always did something different for me.

But, like, I didn't understand what I can do in music until I got a little older. But, like, the last time I did, you know, my little situation, I was writing songs. I was singing a lot. And a lot of niggas didn't take that way. A lot of niggas didn't take that way. A lot of nays, oh, you must be soft because we're saying. I got to a lot of fights because I was singing a lot.

Like, don't think because I sing, my nigga, I won't punch on your shit. But was everybody around you just doing straight gangster shit. I mean, everybody around me was themselves, but singing was just, I'm locked up with niggas. And I'm a singer, you feel me? I'm not rapping with y'all. Nick, I'm singing. They should appreciate that, though. I remember P&B Rock sitting on this podcast and telling me about how that song with Kodak that I loved

that he was singing that in prison for years before he fucking got out and was able to actually recorded it and became a hit. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the fact that being a singer is always labeled you as like, oh, you're softer because you sing. And I want to change that narrative because, bro, I ain't never been soft or a pussy or scared in my life, but I'm still a good nigga. Like, I'm still happy, bro. But I ain't got to sit here and wave guns in your face and no, I'm not playing with you. I got guns in my house. I'm from North Carolina. It's legal, bitch. Yeah, I know, right. Fuck is you talk about. It's such a different decision. Oh, br, bruckers get walked on the street with two guns. It's normal. So, like, but I still can smash. And like, nigga, how you're feeling today?

Like, to strangers, bro. Right. To strangers, bro. I just want to change a narrative, bro. That's it. I feel it. So you get out, though, and how do you actually start really pursuing the music thing? I just start pursuing the music until I moved to North Carolina, at 18.

It took me a couple years to really get, I met my wife at 21. And then I was like, yo, I'm happy now with her. I'm stable now. I got a car. I got a house. Well, I got somewhere to stay. Let me try to follow my dream now. But it was hard because when you work on a job

and getting $7.25 an hour, like, you can't really have a crazy career. So it was, like, a bunch of years of me saving $40 to get an hour in studio time. And, like, believe it or not, like, me and my wife, when we first got started, we used to bump hands a lot about me going to studio because I was spending money that she made. Like, no cap. Like, I wasn't shit, bro. Like, it took me a while to become the man I am today.

Like, she took care of me. And that's why I will always be solid with her. Because at the end of the day, what man going to say that out loud? Like my woman damn there raised me bro Like no cap And just for that I'm gonna stay solid

And I like that you say that Because I feel the same exact way About my girl Where I look at my life now And I'm like damn You love me when I was nothing Bro And that means a lot to me now

Broke I'm talking about bro No kizzy Like I met You know I tell you a funny story And it's weird

When I met her I had one to date her But she was like Nah Like let's be friends First I don't want No fucking friends

like she's she in the building yeah yeah oh god i just want to make sure yeah yeah so like yeah um i was like not one of more friends but we ended up like talking and getting back and talking whatever trying to try to be together she wouldn't make me wait 90 days like and i ain't go a lie to you that shit was annoying 90 day wait to do to to have the regular shit okay now we kiss let me kiss on her little booty and shit and like rubber feet and shit but like no what the fuck i'm from the hood i want to fuck like what the fuck going on here like it was something different I ain't ever experienced. But the fact that she made me like wait for it was like,

yo, it got to be crazy because I, any girl who, that shit baking over there. It's like three months. That's just unfair. That's like an information warfare. Like,

you know what that's doing to my brain. They can me wait this long. And it made me keep coming back. I was like, what the fuck's about this girl? And then she can cook. I'm chubby. That shit was crazy.

And if you could go three months of hanging out just the fuck and then you dip out, you're a real savage. Like, you're a real killer. I don't trust. You were gangster. I waited three months and we're married now.

Really? Real shit. We've been together for seven years. That's amazing. Seven years. Oh, yeah. So how old are you now? 28.

Okay. Wow, that's fucking awesome. Yeah, it's crazy. That's, that's my baby. When did you guys start having kids? We had our first kid January 6th of 2017, but I had two kids from a previous relationship. Oh, shit. Okay.

So you've been doing it. Yeah. Yeah. So at a certain point did you start to feel like, wow, I got to make it doing something because this shit ain't going to be cheap. I always felt like that. When I had my first kid and now I worked at a construction site,

I had to walk to work, like three hours walk to work. And then three hours back, after working eight-hour shifts, like, I said, bitch, it got to be something else other than this shit. Like, my feet hurt, my legs hurt. Like, I'm sweating a year. Three-hour walk? I walk from Brack Boulevard in Fayville and Philcrest to Fort Bragg.

Wow. And like to, what's that, like, from LaBerea to, like, Beverly Hills? Yeah. On a regular highway, I was walking in the middle of the medium to fucking get to work. Like, it was. It was so annoying, bro. What was going through your head during those times?

Like, you just knew that you just had to keep grinding and that someday you were going to make something out of yourself? Hell not. You ever lose faith? All the time. It was a depression-ass walk, bro. Like, when you got that much time, I didn't have no headphones or no music, my phone was off.

So it was like, when you're walking for three hours, you have too much time to talk to yourself. And it put me in this mode of like, nigger, you really ain't shit. Like, I don't give a... I wasn't even paying my bills on my checks. I was going to the trip club. I was buying weed.

I was having a 19-year-old life. I didn't know what to do, and I had a son. And it sucks, it took me so fucking long to get my shit together. But I was fucking up. And that's all I got to think about it was like, you ain't going to be shit. It's like everybody else you be around. So when does all this start to turn around for you?

When I met my wife. Right. Like, nope. When I met her, I got my first, like, good job at Smithfield. I was getting paid like 15 bucks an hour. And like to me, if I'm getting paid $7.25 to like 15, I said, bitch, I'm rich. Right. Ain't shit you could tell me.

Like, we was buying Halloween. I was smoking good. I said life was good. My kids, Christmas was crazy. It was just super dope. And then like having somebody like that in your corner, even though I kept fucking up and I got fired a lot and smoking weed was a problem. But I still wanted to do more.

And I just had to. But that's so good to hear because that is the exact thing that when we have conversations about like how relationships should be is it's like two people who like two people who are not really on shit should get together and try to make something out of themselves, you know? Not a woman just demanding

that a rich guy is going to come and rescue her whatever. I mean that shit is a fantasy like fucking two people who are willing to actually support each other and build something is like the most beautiful thing that you could do and that's actually amazing to hear that work that's so good for you. I love it bro. Like that that's my stanker dang dang dang dang.

You feel? Definitely. Okay, but so when does the music start to actually kind of click? Okay. Last year, no cap. I wrote Quicksand, and that's when, like, everything started going crazy. I was writing plenty of songs. I'd write something about fucking, songs about bitches

and cars and clothes and shit that I didn't have. And when you want no success? None at all. Nothing. Okay. Like, I had some shit on SoundCloud, but it wasn't doing anything crazy. Like, I'm getting no plays. So my wife was like, yo, like, maybe you start making the bullshit, just trying to be like, everybody write something that you feel like, you feel. And

like, my music, I'm very sensitive. So I felt like she was trying to play me. Like, don't tell me I ain't got no talent. But that's not what she was doing. She was like, just do something different. So I went in the bathroom, smoke my last blunt, closed the door, and I wrote big decisions first. And I was like, I like it, but let me see what's happening

with another song. And then I wrote Quixan and it was just crazy. Right. Crazy. And stylistically was Quixin kind of similar to a lot of the stuff you've been doing before? Because you have a very nice singing It's super different.

Slash rapping flow on it? Most of my other songs, which I was either strictly rapping or strictly singing. Quickstance is the first song when I like really combined them both. It was like I could do both to see what happens and I think that's what the problem was it was either I wanted to be a rapper or I wanted to be a singer when I realized I could do both so I'm not fucking do both. Yeah. Child the, the drizzy. I said this shit and every time I'm asking about where I got started from the album so far so gone with brand new and all those songs on it really made me believe singing and rapping is the shit and that's my lifestyle. I mean you

have to thank Drake for that because, like, looking back on it, it was very hard for a rapper to just sing and for it to be accepted as normal. And then Drake made it the fly of shit in the world. And it has completely changed rap. That's why when I sit here, like, I said to someone the other day, like, he's the most important rapper of our generation. And they were like acting like I was bugging. I'm like, you are blind to how much music has changed because of him. Especially of my generation. Like, no, I didn't grow, listen to, I got put on to the real hip hop later on in life because I wanted to search for it myself.

Like, have I heard rap? It was like, I was young, like, buss around, red man, but like, only because my dad would play that, my mom played, like, gospel, so I didn't hear a lot of Tupac and Biggies until I got older. So, like, Drake is like the first artist that I heard that really went like,

I said, oh, I fuck a bull. Like, yo, I want to listen to shit every day. Right. And my favorite song is, say what's real. Like, it fucking resonates my life so much now. Like, it's just crazy. Right.

It's fucking crazy. Where did you end up shooting that video? Do you shoot it soon after? you made it or was that did more stuff have to happen between that it took a little while i think i think to like 30 days or like 60 days i had to find what i had to do i recorded the song the dude at my job i worked at a call center he was like yo i shoot videos i was like no we all shoot videos he was like no i do when we show him his work i was like what nigga we can just try something and see what happens i was like bray ain't got a whole bunch of bread he was like fucking i like the

song just do free really i was like you bullshit you got that video done for free for free wow this amazing video everybody in the videos my homies it was it was literally a free-ass video. Like, I called my homie, like, what you're doing? My shit, pull up. Bet. And the nigger just pulled up like that.

It was just like that. And then we started shooting. It's crazy because, like, everybody in the video is mad chill, rolling blunts and shit, and you are like maximum high energy just swagging around that place. That was tight.

That's my, that's my energy, bro. Like, I like the dance have a good time and chill. Like, my nigga, he was going crazy and they do with no shirt off. He was like, dude with him.

Right. My nigga, it was lit. And I think that's why I kept being turned out. well, he turned the shit, I'm turned up. Let's fucking we let. But do you feel more comfortable being this version of yourself now rather than when you were broken, like, really struggling? I'm sure that that kind of saps some of the energy out of you at times, right?

No. I always made somebody laugh, even when I felt like I had nothing to fucking laugh about. Right. Because I, in a way, I kind of care about other people's feelings more than my own because I know what it is to be sad, and I don't want nobody to feel that shit. So, like, if I'm in the room with a bunch of niggas who upset,

I'm probably going to start doing some weird shit, like dancing or something shit or like saying that joke or like dragging on somebody else or like pull a picture. Like this nigga, ugly is hell. Just to get that right there. Like, you're crazy. And then, okay, maybe your day might be a little bit better because I just did that shit. You could definitely like open up a room if you start just being willing to be funny, just talking about some random shit. Sometimes I feel like with the internet people that have forgotten how to just be in a room with a bunch of random people and just start talking about shit. No.

All it is now, even kickbacks party is this. this. Oh my God. It's the worst. Like, start Snapchat and ha-ha, we live. If I want to be on my phone, I just, like, if I'm at a party and I want to be on my phone, I probably should not be at that party. When you step into a party with your friends, the phone, you ain't even probably worry about your phone,

unless you got kids, you got to check on them. Like, oh, you did good? I bet. Nah, fuck it, tell that. Hey, give me a drink. But we'll be having a good time. You're not posed to be sitting here, worry about your Instagram followers when you had a party with your homies. Enjoy your life.

I think COVID has kind of made me realize that is like the time you spend with other people is pretty valuable. You should really make the most out of it and there's just certain times where like you know you can look at your phone literally all day. If you're at dinner with your friends, looking at your phone basically means you're a fucking weirdo

because that's just not like enjoy your time with other people. It's kind of a foreign concept of these days. It really is because if I'm at dinner with my friends, who do fuck am I texting? I've chosen to be with these people. They're here I thought. Never mind. Wrong motherfuckers. Like, just, if you're looking at Twitter or Instagram when you're around some of your friends, you're basically saying that, yes, I'm with my friends, but I would way rather being paying attention to Kylie Jenner.

Facts. Honestly, like, unless you're, like, scrolling and you, like, showing people, like, you could be on your phone, but get them involved. Like, yo, this fucking TikTok is fire. For sure, yeah. Or whatever, but, like, bro, you. But some people just introverts, and they just, they'd rather be on their phone and have a conversation. Definitely. So, okay, that song, what do you do with it?

Like, how does you start work? Did you realize, like, well, this song is way better than every other song ever? made? No. I thought it was just good. So I put it out. I put it out like March. Mo called me like April and was like, bro, I heard your song. I found you through your director. And I was like, who the fuck are you? You're talking about Mo Three? Mocializi. Oh, okay. I wish. Shout out Mo Three because you were a big fan of him as well. I fuck with the three, bro. Like the gospel, the rap, all that together is fucking phenomenal, bro. Rest and peace.

God always. Rest in heaven, always. For sure. But most Shalizi, the one that's time for pick six. Okay. He facetined me and I was like, this man got blonde hair, a quaff, who the fuck is boy? He's shining, got diamonds on. This nigga must be legit, man. If a guy who looks like this likes my son.

He might be. You feel me? And I'm like, yo, low-care. It was like a two-hour conversation of figuring out what was going on. And like, I felt super comfortable. And then like, he niggas sent me the contract with Pick Six. And he was, he let me read over and sending him my lawyer. Like, he didn't even like, usually when people trying to sneak you,

they try to like. Hodge some shit. He told me in the beginning, like, bro, you're not about to get rich. You ain't about to be, you're going to work my best. We're going to do this shit together. We're a team. I was like, that shit sounds better than a nigga trying to sell me a dream. There's like a management company deal or like a label deal.

He manages me as well and then like pick six is the label. Okay. Hell yeah. So like it's all way through like I fuck a boy. Like the fact that he picked me at a time where my phone was off. I had no job. We were in a different state. Like niggies was really trying to figure out the,

next move and the move like plopped in my lap because of a song I put out that I didn't think was going to go nowhere. But that is a very like fair thing to say if you were to say like you're not going to get rich overnight but if we work on this I can help you get to that point. You got to fuck with that. Like you have no like he didn't he never sold me a dream and he always told me reality and no cap. Everything he'd been saying and the way we've been coming to fruition the way he'd been saying it because at the end of the day you got to be willing to to to to believe in yourself, but also believe that, you know, okay, you let.

Like, what you're saying right now ain't wrong. I'm gonna fuck with it. Definitely. Oh, yeah. So how does your life change after that? And how do you start, you know, what do they start doing for you? And do you start, like, being a more serious studio, studios, you're recording a shitload more?

What started happening after that? I definitely kept recording in the same studio I've been recording in until I met Mo. Like, once I met Mo and realized there was different stuff, because I really wanted to do it my way until I met him. We started talking and everything was like I want to stay with the same same studios and the equipment wasn't what it was proposed to be So he was like you can definitely keep the same people, but we got to get their equipment and at the time They couldn't do it. You feel me? So I had to go to a different studio and I realized that the CA 200 is like the mic I'm supposed to be using

I never knew what the fuck that was until I found out in LA Really? So the vocals on quicksand you're not totally happy with or did you redo them at some point? I I redid them in LA Okay, because it sounds better on a mic. This mic is fire like even this mic right here like I love this shit sound. It doesn't sound like that in different studios when you're in the closet or when you like in the styrofoam and the sheets and then the microphone is like from the pawn shop. It's a lot. For sure. So, but that video hadn't really gone viral yet. No, I think I had like 3,000 or a couple of thousand before he hit me up and I was fucking

happy about that shit. I thought I was the man having like 3,000, 4,000 views. I thought that was a little ass city. I got 3,000. I noticed my whole city. Everybody know me now. Definitely. Because you didn't know any successful rappers up until this point? No, no cap. I never met anybody or talked to anybody. And believe it or not, I sent my video to a couple people when it first came out, like a couple people. And nobody came back.

Right. So I don't know. I don't know. Definitely. Yeah, I mean, North Carolina is kind of a crazy scene right now in the sense that there's just a bunch of town sort of bubbling up. All over the place. Like, all over different cities, especially in my city in Fairbills. And there's some town in Raleigh, Greensboro.

It's a lot of talent everywhere. And the fact that me and J. Cole from the same city and then the baby from Charlotte is widening our horizons. Definitely. And I love it. Because just like every kid after you or after the baby or after J. Cole is just going to have a little bit more of a understanding that this vision is possible. And like, you know, like, it's hard if you're in a smaller city or town to like be able to look at L.A. and think, like, oh, I can do that. Yeah. It's going to be hard for you to do that if you don't have other artists or an industry or producers or men.

around you, like people in Atlanta, like, it's almost like a bad thing that you're just going to have some randomized gangster trying to be your manager after you're rapping for two months. Like, no, you're 100% right. Like, I think people think you're going to make music and just, just get on. You have to build relationships. You've got to network, and it sucks to say you've got to know somebody. If I've never met Mosheleazy, you wouldn't be talking to me right now, bro. I probably still be building my shit slow as hell.

probably had like 20,000 views by now. Right. 30,000. I don't know. Something like that. But, like, the fact that I have help. And I love the fact that I have help. Right.

That's my dog. Because you get to be the artist. Facts. I don't have to do anything besides rap, write, sing, and enjoy. That's why I'm always happy. I do my part because they do their part. There's no quarrels. There's no riffraves.

Like, we have a clear understanding. It's love. And that's why I'm always just always happy, bro. Because I'm happy as shit. My shit is lit, bro. Right, no, definitely. So how does the song really start exploding, and what was that like? I think when it first hit 100,000 views in, like, October, that's when it went crazy.

Like, no cap. My team, my homeboy gutter showed me the video was like, yo, you hit 100K. And I'm like, nah, you bullshit. And I looked at it. I damn that cried. No cap, I did cry. Like a big bitch on my mom. I was like, yo, I can't believe God bless me with 100K views.

And like, now I'm looking like, I got 47 million. Like, it would be hard to fathom, bro. Some people when they're like they get a bunch of views and they're like 18, they just don't really like understand how crazy that is. But at that point, you have been grinding. You're almost 30 by that point. It's like you really were probably thinking in the back of your head. Maybe I won't ever be shit. No, I knew that.

Like at the time where I received the phone call, I knew I wasn't going to be shit. Really? I was looking for a regular job because I was just a regular motherfucker. I was going to do some regular shit, never doing anything great. Wow. And that phone call, shade my life. I know I can be as great as I want to be. And the fact that I don't have a limit on my creativity,

the fact that I don't have a limit on who I can be, who my kids can become, who my wife can be, what business I can start. My future is a blur, and I love it. Because when you know what your future is, it may not go that way. I love that. I can paint a different part of my future every day.

Okay, I did this show, and this one, I built this relationship. Oh, a new part of the picture. Oh, I'm this guy, and I just saved him. Oh, this part of the picture. Oh, I made him smile. I made her smile. This part of, like, now my life is,

coming together slowly but short and I love that shit. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. So how much has your life changed? And like, you know, signing that deal or whatever must have been dope, but then to have one of the songs actually start exploding, it's got to be like a different feeling of like, oh, okay, like getting signed is one thing,

but that know that hundreds of thousands and millions of people are enjoying a song that you made, that must have felt pretty wild. The best feeling is the people that listen to my music. Like I love going to the store now in my city because I always get stuff for pictures, Always stop for hugs. Somebody always, and that's my favorite part. If you ever see me anywhere and you see Moray,

Moray's not a too cool rapper at all, I would never tell you no for a pitcher because that's my job. I live to please my boss, which is the fans. You're my damn boss. A pitcher? Yes, sir, here come here, come here, come here. Let me hug you, make you smile a little bit.

I love that part of my job. Definitely. No, yeah, that's amazing. But so has it been, weird having all this happen during COVID? You can't do all the shit that you probably wanted to do in terms of shows and all that kind of stuff? No, because at the end of the day, I am doing exactly what I thought I never would.

I'm acceptable with everything. Slow, fast, it doesn't matter long as it happens. Right. I'm happy that I'm on a show with you, and I just watch OT Genesis being a show a couple days ago. Like, this is ridiculous. The big leagues, yes. That's crazy to me, like, to be doing stuff that I watched, to be on a vote for

double-exil when I watch that shit every fucking year to talk to rappers that I've listened to my whole life every the smallest thing to somebody writing on my inbox, yo, your song has did this for me. I fucking love that shit. I love that shit.

I love that shit. Okay. So on that note, here comes a question that I guarantee is going to get an interesting reaction. Given that all that you've been through, how does it sit when people try to say your industry plant? I think it's, we're talking about academics, of course.

He's one. I saw another YouTube video as well. That's the one I've seen, it's him. Right. So I would say this, he's doing his job. Right. So my job is to prove him wrong. The fact that you think I'm an industry, I would love to meet him, have a conversation,

explain why do you think I am? Right. And I explain to him why I'm not. It seemed like his explanation was mostly like a song could never do these kind of numbers on YouTube or Spotify as an artist's first song or write out the game, which is probably, you probably had stuff before that, but you kind of clean up the YouTube. Of course.

I mean, honestly, it's baffling to me too. So I definitely understand where he's coming from. Oh, shit, this is weird. Yes, sir. But is it happening? Most definitely.

It's reality, bro. Like, if you came to my house, academics, industry plant would be the last thing on your mom. I live in the same fucking crepe when I started this shit. I think you guys would get along.

But I think it would too. You drink Henny? I don't. But I'm a smoker, so I'm lit. She's not going to like that. You might get along better than me, actually.

We get along now. Roll up. Oh, God. Hey, you already said. Fucking time that. But, yeah, I mean, that is a weird thing because now, I mean, there are a lot of artists who basically kind of are industry planted into the game. But, I mean, as soon as I heard that song, I was like, well, I mean, I'm sure the label's helping him and stuff. But this song is a banger.

Like, that song is going to be a hit regardless. I think once people found out about it. But what is the label supposed to do? The label's supposed to get you looks. They're supposed to get you on playlist. They're supposed to help promote your project or your videos, whatever. I mean, it seems like sometimes people throw people in the industry plant box a little loosely. I never heard an industry plan until, like, somebody call me one.

I'm like, okay, injury plan, like, what the fuck is that? If somebody's helping you to your goal, that means you were planted. Okay, so if someone's not helping me and I don't make it, what does that mean? So you want me to not help myself just to make you feel better. Most of Leezy is dope as fuck. He found a young nigga who ain't have shit and maybe who the fuck I am today. I don't care what nobody else got to say.

You can call me, whatever you call me, just call me genuine. That's it. I mean, you got to call me nothing else. When everybody meet me, my last day on earth, I just want you to be like, yo, Moray, a solid nigga. But it's pretty interesting that you had never even heard of that term, so you didn't even anticipate that that was going to be the kind of smear that people would throw at you, whereas someone like me

who was like perpetually online, whole life. I definitely, like the first thing that comes out of my mind when I watch a video, like that seems like it has a decent amount of views or whatever, it comes up very quickly in my head. It's like, who's behind this? Who's making this happen? Who's pulling these strings? I definitely don't. Like, no cap, bro. The reason why I don't, energy plan is just weird to me because I sit in my house that I've been, I've been living in for the last two years. Before that, the house I was living in was fucking the worst. So for somebody that called me industry plan and I'm looking at holes in my window,

I'm looking at me living in the same situation that I've been living in forever. It bothers me only this much because your opinion will never make me or break me. Actually, you got me a lot of attention to academics, so appreciate you, my guy. Thank you so much for sending people to me to check if I was and build their own opinion. I love that shit. You did your job, and your job low-key help me. Thank you, bro. Yeah.

I have no ill will. I have no. Thank you, bro. We let it. I think we need better terms than just industry plan or whatever because somebody being extremely talented. Like he even said in the clip I saw him, he said, I like his music. I think he's very talented. Fact.

You know, it's like, but I mean, that's what the label is supposed to do. It's weird. The weird thing now is that we get to see it, you know? Because back in the day, it was the labels petitioning double XL to put you on the cover or trying to get your video played on MTV, but we were all blind to the process. Now it's like we kind of are up front row of seats for art. artist development so people feel like they can kind of have viewpoints on all that shit, yeah.

And they can. At the end of the day, it's an opinion. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. You shouldn't be mad at someone because they felt a certain way about something that they've seen. He's seen me have a video. He's seen it hit a lot of views. It's weird to him. He's got to be an industry plan.

Something's up with this guy. But it's interesting because then now you've had all these crazy cosines and shit and it's kind of easy. Once you throw that industry plan a term out there, people start to see everything. as evidence the industry plant thing. Of course, Jay Cole must have got the cash app for shouting this guy out.

But I mean, you're from the same city as him. It just makes sense. We don't have any evidence of you guys being signed to the same label or anything in common, really, right? Besides being from the same place. We're not signed to this. Like, I'm not Dreamville.

Right. Jay Cole is just like one of the coolest people you ever meet. Like, if you, if people talk to Jay Cole, like he's a humble-ized, realistic dude. He's not going to give it to you no way besides the truth. and the fact that he took his time on the right, amazing. When he never says anything about anything, ever. I thought somebody was pranking me, bro.

I said, ain't no fucking way, Jay Cole. He from my city. Nick, that shit was fire as hell. Like, bro, what the shit? Like, I wish I would have done a nigga before that. I probably would have been signed then. He probably would have been shaped me. I'd probably been at music and been rich.

Right. It's weird that people think you knew these people. Then why have I been living in the same shit dealing with the same money? he's already had these connections. Stop playing with me. That's weird. Jay Cole probably wishes that he had noticed your talent earlier. Nah, he got enough time for his own.

He lit. This is true. He'll need more. But J-Col to me is like the definition of who I want to. I mean, like, there's a lot of difference between us. But a certain part of his personality is like what I want, which is he's the, like, he came to my store. One dude that was his manager, not a fucking security guard or whatever.

He's dressed in totally normalized Nike Tech outfit, whatever. He's got sneakers on. The most normal shit I ever seen. And everyone, everyone who saw him could not believe how regular he was moving around. Like, you are, like, one of the most important rappers of this generation. You are ridiculously rich. And you're walking around here, like, it is all good. That is, nobody does that.

His energy, bro. He don't give off bad energy. So why would he get bad energy? Like, J. Cole, his aura is like, you're welcome. Right. So you give him the same response. Like, I fuck with Bull, like, no cap, like, I really fuck, I fuck with cool. He ain't cool, nigga.

Definitely. What about the baby co-sign as well, too? I guess that kind of had to happen, right? It was dope and shit, like, no, he was on his live, I guess, and he played my mouth. I was just listen to goddamn Kurt. You know what I mean? I fought with that, ditty. No cap.

That's amazing. That was a fun one for me because, like, I've listened to the baby since, like, a wetter. Like, he made me and himself called wet back in the day. Like, I probably, 2008, 2018, 18 or 17? Okay. Super dope. Like, I fuck with the baby. I listen to his music a lot, though, no kissy.

Right. Hell, yeah. He's super talented, too. And he's, I mean, those dudes both when you really, like, have, I mean, I haven't spoken. Well, I guess I'll speak to the baby from time and time. But they're, like, the nicest, most friendliest approachable. I mean, obviously, the baby is going to, it's got a tough being the baby right now. There's a little bit too much energy at times.

But I think what the baby is the shit that I say, like, he kid cool niggins. But, like, don't try the nigger. You feel? Like, he going, it seems like, when I, when I, when you look at this, baby, he gonna treat you with respect until he feels like you being disrespectful. Now he's gonna get Uber disrespectful. And that's a dope individual

to me. If I'm giving you respect, you give me respect, really. I mean, that's a guy who has seen the effects of having random as negative energy from people in person. Like, it's not like a guy who just fucking left the house for the first time. Like he's been living his life.

Like he fucking knows exactly. And when you see him now and you see him with surrounded by this army of security and they're moving super fast between your shit. I mean, he's just, it's self-preservation at a certain point. He's a lick waiting to happen, and he knows it. Hey, that didn't pack out like a million on his neck. So, I mean, hey, would you walk around with a million on your neck by yourself?

I don't know. No, hey, especially not in the hood. You need an army for sure. On the gang. Okay, last one, though. What about the Jay-Z playlist edition? That must have been trippy. No, that was crazy.

When you have somebody like Jay-Z who's a mogul, who's a legend, who's an OG, who don't got to look at you at all, like literally insignificant to him. Like, you just heard how we just talked about J. Cole and the baby. I mean, J.Z is the emperor above everyone in hip-hop, right? That's what I'm saying. Like, he's the OG. So for him to be like, yo, I play you on my playlist. And no cap, the number 27, I love it now.

That's like one of my favorite number because I'm 27 on his playlist. So I'm like, yo, what the all fuck? Like the first thing, I, I, The first thing I thought about was I would have been like, oh, I don't know, I don't know what I was going to call that. I'm like, what's that there? I wonder when the last time he did that was. I don't even know it's the rock.

Is it still the rock? Rock Nation? I hope so. It makes sense. For sure. Now, that's ridiculous right there. Okay, so, but how do you view where you're at in your career right now in terms of like, you know, it's very easy to have like one massive song

and to sort of just not be able to reach that peak again. I'm sure you're pretty focused on making sure that's definitely not the case. Where do you view where you're at right now and how everything's going and shit? I really feel like I have a lot more learning to do and I'm excited for it. I'm excited for the new things I'm going to learn with music and the new pitches, the new tempo, the new terms, the new this. I just want to learn as much as I can to be as good as I possibly can. Because I feel like now that I have made it after trying to move so long, now it's up to me to perfect it and work harder than I've ever done. Like, I hope this mixtape that come out, it really helped people get to know exactly who I am more and feel more closer to me.

So when I stopped dropping this album, it's going to be crazy. Right. I can't wait to drop over to me. That's dope, though. Like, you just feel like you've learned so much about music and about what kind of music you want to make that, you know, you've only been famous for the short period of time. But, you know, there's a lot of work that you want to do behind the scenes in terms of just making your shit as good as possible. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I really want to learn how to engineer myself. Like I've never tried it before

Like ever It looks like Chinese reprimatic to me A lot of the goats Young thug He'll have the mic right here And he'll be just like Sitting there engineering his own shit

Like At the same time And then he'll like whisper like one bar And then go You know Punch himself in And all that stuff So it's

It's kind of crazy Like how many people do that Yeah I'd yeah Yeah I want to do that I want to like No cat That shit is crazy

Yeah I was talking about simple As like press and recording EQing But that sounds even better Yeah, I mean, I'm sure at some point, maybe he gets some help from somebody else, but I guess he's so tapped into what he wants to be doing on beats that he just kind of handles himself. I really look up to, like, now that I'm in the music, I look up to, like, you know, those thug and breezy and future and dreazy.

Like the way how you can be in the game for so long and still be creating so much dope-ass music, their brains are fucking immaculate. Like, it's, I don't listen to music. Oh, that sounds good now. Now I'm like, oh, this thing is a genius. Right. Like, what made you think about this shit? Like, it's like a pretty flower when you listen to no new music and it blossom and now

you got other flowers popping out. Like, how the fuck did you even come up with this combination? And the more into it you get, like, I feel like when I kind of came in the game, mostly just interviewing underground rappers, but then pretty quickly, it just forced me to like really realize like how great a Drake or a thug or a future is. Like, the level of progression that they've done, like how good they continue to be. Once you really get used to working with a lot of smaller artists, then you can really see, like,

oh, there's a reason why all these guys are considered the goats. I promise you, like, no cap. I was at the studio, I walked in a whiz. And, like, to see him in person, I was like, oh, this nigga really tall his hair for one. That shit crazy. But, like, hearing the process, like, you're still making this fire-ass music.

Like, I still remember black and yellow. Right. And now you got all this hot. You're still making hot shit. Like, what the fuck? I got to keep up. This shit is hard. work.

It's just trippy too because he ended up basically having the heights of his career where like mega pop smashes and like his day-to-day style is basically, you know, he's a chilled laid-back rapper or whatever. But he's like some of these songs like his hit fucking monster pop hits, it's ridiculous. Incredible, bro. Definitely. So you stay out here now or? No, I started living in Fayville.

Okay. I can come out and working a mixtape, make sure everything is straight and line everything. You think of moving at some point or you're trying to hold down the energy? See? That's smart. I think, you know, I think, like, living out different places is dope, but there's nothing like home. I want to walk outside my door, smell that country, dirty-ass air, stretch, get my little

back in the crib. LA will change your spirit, my friend, is a different vibe out here for sure. And that, that hometown vibe of just having, like, you know, like, just, I mean, it's just different. The energy out here is the same energy that everybody's feeding off, you know, and it just, it can get stale pretty easy. It's palpable of like how the air is... I never had a rapper say palpable on the podcast before I don't think.

It's very thick in the air. Like, it's very different. Like, when you come to L.A., like, it feels like, okay, work. Got you. Very businessy. North Carolina, where I'm from, when I get off the plane in favor, it's like, okay, shit. Take my shoes off, put my foot up, order some fucking barbecue. And let's get crazy.

Let's go grill. And I love that I can just be myself there. I can be like ratty shorts, ratty t-shirt, go take out the trash. And I love that shit. For sure. I love that shit.

Yeah. Much respect, man. Okay. Anything that the fans should be looking forward to? Anything you want to have them ready for? I'm definitely trying to drop this video for Trenches very soon. Okay. So I'm working on that hard.

It's a song that's going to be on my mixtape. Please look out for that too. It's coming very soon. I'm working hard for just being looked out maybe end of April, early May. Definitely. Hell yeah. Big, big fan man. And, you know,

shout out to every. everything you have going. It's a very inspiring story. And your, your personality, I think, will guide you through whatever bullshit the industry you're going to throw you at, because you got that good-ass personality and a good energy. And I think that that, like, the fans will gravitate towards it and the people will just resonate with that shit, man. I appreciate that. Thank you for even having me. This shit was fun as fucking interview was dope. Good questions. Where I felt like super chill about it. My pleasure, man.

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