No Jumper - Munna Ikee on Growing Up in O Block, King Von, Rod Wave Comparisons & More

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Munna Ikee stopped by the store for a new interview, to talk about his upbringing, Meek Mill cosign, Chief Keef, Von, FYB J Mane, and more. ---- 0:00 - Intro 3:10 - Being 7yrs old when the drill scene popped off he grew up in it, says he grew up listening to Boss top, Sosa and Dirk, etc 5:44 - Says he realized there was something special going on with music from O block when he heard the Keef’s “Sicko” 8:23 - Munna says “scoon” came from T Roy, says right now the true “scoon” is his homie Baby Scoon 10:03 - On his block it's just a family it's not a gang, it's a clothing brand, record label, etc, anything but a gang 11:18 - Munna says the youngest generation of O block around 14yrs old is focused on Sports 12:07 - Munna breaks down the eras of Chicago drill, says the younger generation only wants to do sports, says they do still think about the street stuff 15:36 - Says he looked up to Sosa but not really, says he lived in the same building as Top, Munna says he used to be scared to be around Top when he was younger 16:54 - Muna says he was 15-16 when Von was doing his thing, Muna says Von and another homie taught him how to shake up the block, says Von got rich and was handing out money on the block 18:18 - Munna says he went to the studio after Zelle past away, says he made his first song called “Think about” 20:01 - Get back gang is a label and only a label, says it was Von’s label, says he listens to Rod Wave, Lil Zay Osama 20:54 - Says he didn't want to be in the same bowl as all the other drill rappers 24:40 - Munna says he met Durk back when he was younger but just recently met him again when Durk had a show 25:26 - Munna explains how he used a Meek Mill line that he memorized and Meek ended up seeing it and reposting it and showing Munna love 27:03 - Munna says he'd sign to Meek but needs his Dreamchasers chain to incorporate O block 27:21 - Munna says nobody should get the big O BLOCK chain besides Von 28:28 - Munna says he wasn't outside the day Von came through O block and gave out a 100K but came back to the block and it was lit 29:44- - First person Munna lost that really hit home was hit homie TQ 30:41 - Munna says you can rent a Airbnb on O block for $50.00 34:17 - Munna says Doordash is safe in O block, says he doesn't go to the store he’ll send a lil bro to the store 35:04 - Says he wasn't offended when J Mane went to Von mural 36:33 - Munna says his big brother Don helped and guided him in the right direction in the music 37:19 - Says he talked to Muwop one of the days after the trial, says their manifesting that Boss Top gets out quickly 38:30 - Munna says he f**** with Gleesh, that's his big brother, says if it has anything to do with money Gleesh is with it 39:01 - Munna says Shoebox, Munna, DQ, Muwop, Duke, TY And more rapping from O block, Munna says he'd pick him, shoebox, G nuk, Big chubbs, Cam slam and Buck 41:24 - Munna is surprised to find out Riemoh and Adam found out he doesn't drink or smoke 43:33 - Says he'd want to do a song with Meek Mill, Drake, Durk, Polo G, Chance the rapper, says he started listening to Chance when he dropped “No Problems” 44:38 - Munna says he's into country music after listening to Durk and Morgan Wallen, says he likes country artist Ryan Upchurch 46:12 - Munna says his Chicago Mt.Rushmore is Kanye, Lil Dirk, Sosa, Von, says if he could put Herbo on there he would 48:03 - Munna says he used to be in Atlanta a lot before he was rapping 49:44 - Says his moms favorite song of his is “V Roy did” a God Did freestyle, says Munna Ikee “Hope in my hood” out now 50:29 - Munna says he wants wealth and success, says in 5 years he wants to be the one helping people change their lives 52:21 - Munna says their always recording and working, says people call him the O block Rod Wave Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm sitting down for another important Chicago conversation. Shout out to my man, Remo. We're doing the money-a-key interview today. For me, y'all on. Let's go, gang. What's you on, gang? Shit, I'm chilling.

Just landed last night and shit, really? I'm just out here working, you know? Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, yeah. That's what's up. How many times you've been out to L.A.? Just like my second time. The first time I got flew out back.

I like to see these little label people and shit. I was just out here in October and then I left. This is my second time here. Okay. Yeah, because that's one thing about you is that I'm sure the labels see you as somebody who has a lot of potential in their mind. Like you could definitely take this shit far. For sure. Definitely.

You think about signing? Yeah, yeah. That's always going to be the goal to sign though. But like right now, I ain't forcing it. I'm just being humble, you know, wait my turn type of shit. Like, I ain't really trying to be like too. thirsty or nothing. It's just trying to keep improving musically before you get super focused on that side of

things? Yeah, yeah. Definitely. So tell us a little bit about growing up in the, oh, where were you born and everything? Well, I was originally born that? Yeah. I'm originally born, Parkway Gardens, O'Block, you see what I'm saying? Okay.

I've been there since I was six months. Six months, that's right. I'm 19, so you do the math. Right. It was really decent. Like, we just had to grow up faster than, like, a normal kid I had to grow up, like, by the time like you 10 years old you gotta have a man like you 15 by the time you 15 you got to have a mind set like a 20 year old you see what I'm saying but they don't play foul in the streets you know

so like growing up for us it was fun we still was able to do kids but we had to end that quick though because starting to get serious at like a real early early like early age for us you see what I'm saying yeah so do you have memories of seeing some wild when you were real young and sort of starting to have this realization or like oh they're saying just a normal place. No, I didn't, no, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I ain't really, you ain't, you ain't, you ain't, you ain't really supposed to speak on, like, wow, what you're saying. Mm-hmm.

But I didn't say some shit, though. Yeah, I ain't gonna talk on it, though. Really? Yeah, I ain't, but, yeah, for sure. Damn, you got people and places in mind, things, things that, like, were real serious. Yeah, yeah, I didn't, yeah, I ain't, you know. Yeah. But you did, like, you had a child for a little bit before shit got real, like, what type of shit?

Yeah, I had a child, like, bro, I'm being honest, like, all us had a childhood, bro. It just, when you get a certain age, you know what's going on, you see what I'm saying? Like, you know what time it is. Like, you ain't, you ain't no kid from our block done to not know what's going on, you see what I'm saying? Even the ones younger than us now, they know what's going on. So they got to move a certain way, you see what I'm saying? But you're young enough that, okay, if you're 19 right now, you're born in 2004? Yeah, I was born in August 4th, 2004.

So, I mean, like, the drill wave really pops off and, like, 2011 and so you're like seven so that's like a different vantage point where there's a lot of the dudes that we're talking to are like well into their 20s or 30s even so they were kind of like grown when they seen the drill pop up whereas for you you pretty much just grew up in it yeah grew up like all around it like i grew up listen to boss top salsa dirt prince jay you know like the people like them like we um i was out there me and my homie like it's so crazy when boss top shot he got a song called 30 choppers him in my little dirt it's like 2013 this when they had um they shot it behind our elementary school me my homie jc my homie g look we got our ass what for going for rad down there on

the bike really yeah it was busing like i ain't gonna lie l a la was out there dirk sosa came the helicopter was outside that like the police helicopter i remember like it was yesterday here yeah they were shutting it down like you can go to it right now you'll see like helicopters everywhere like police all down the back of the school Did you think that that was some regular You're watching all these guys film a music video There or did you kind of already understand Like, oh, these guys are a pretty big deal out here

No, yeah, I looked at like they rap Like top was a rap for you, you see what? Like that shit was raw to me But we ain't had no business being down now, though But that's your mom in them? They what's your ass for going on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got our toes up, I ain't got allowed to you. So you had like protective parents

They tried to keep you away from all? Yeah, like all our parents was protective My mama, a cool-ass mama, bro, like she don't My mom was never strict. Long as we finished school, like long as we stayed in school, shit like that, we was decent.

Yeah, yeah. What type of stuff you was on as a kid, though? When I was younger, I really was just on some being a kid, like, chilling. When I was younger, I went to be an actor. But I always had a love for music. I just never, like, took it to see it until I was 17. Yeah, when I was younger,

like, we used to do bad, burn garbage cans, set church parks on fire. That. bus windows it was just shit like the normal right definitely would you consider yourself like a good kid or a bad kid during your younger days I was a good kid you do seem kind of mild manner like you seem like a nice kid but I was a good kid but when I get with my homies I was a bad kid if you get what I'm saying

around my mom and I was a good kid like certain grown-ups I was a good kid but when I got like with my homie them he was different certain dudes who grow up in certain environments they can't let it up for a minute. They can't ever pretend to just be like a polite normal dude. No, yeah, no. You've always been able to get along. Yeah, I'll be chilling. Definitely. Okay, so your early memories though of music coming out of Chicago and stuff, like, do you remember when it kind of clicked for you that there was something special going on

from your neighborhood musically? Yeah, yeah. What was the song, the siggo song, Chief Key when I sang, I'll broding them in video. Like Big A, no, that song. And he was saying O Block shit that. And I was like third grade. I remember I got in trouble for, I had printed out a picture of Sosa and put it in my notebook.

I was writing like GVE, O'TF, 300, O Block. I got suspended for that shit. For that? Yeah, yeah. Because it was like, it was busing around that town. Right. So the teachers knew what was going on. But the teachers aren't taking it as you just being a fan of this rapper.

They're taking it out. I was like, nah. Because they know where I'm from. Like our elementary school is right behind our block. So they see where you go home every day Yeah So how involved were the teachers Like to notice that

Like how do they even know what's going on With the GVE and stuff So like I don't know I can't even because they all no They went to the school too Like these same things went to the school Like the same elementary school

They all went to us Like your teachers seem old as fuck to you When you're young But reality is Like a lot of people who are teaching First grade are like early 20s Yeah like my first grade teacher I thought she was old

She was really, like, in like, 20, 21, 22 when she was teaching me. But now she's old, though. I think about that, too. Like, some of my teachers were probably, like, hot, but I didn't really know because they seemed like old ladies to me. Yeah, no. Hmm. Interesting. So, okay, you start to get more, you start making music when?

Or, like, when did you realize you were going to actually get involved with the shit? Like, right after Zeal passed away when I was 17, yeah. Okay, and what's your relationship to Zell Munner? That was my boy. Like, we grew up together. that type of shit. But me and Zell was really just starting to get super close, like,

probably like December 2020. Because we was getting, like, because we was younger than him, but Zill was always hanging with older people. So it was like, basically, like,

we weren't even on his level. We weren't in his, like, type of people to hang with it until, like, I was like 15, 16. Then we were starting to really hang and shit.

Right. So what's the money come from? That comes from Jay Money, one of the guys. That's really my, that's my homie uncle. Actually, my homie Blitz. He locked up right now.

But yeah, Jay Money, that come from, the money come from Jay Money. Okay, but when did you guys all take the name on? I had money, I ain't got a lot. I had money in my name since I was, I just called myself that since I was like, I keep money. I keep money. Azale has Zeele money. And my homie, everybody had that in our name since, like, probably like 15 years old

when we started catching, like, I had, like, man, like, either it's either money, schoom, six-fold, like, that's the names. Well, from the O. People just switched up the name, like different name. Who owns the rights to Scoom? Scoom. Schoom. T. Roy. Really?

Yeah. Because we were just having the conversation with a... T. Roy, that's... Oh, you're talking about, all that, Skom. Well, Jose Osama and M.A. Fiske. Kind of going back and forth about who exactly is Scoom. Scoom is Scoom. Scoom is T. Roe.

So T. Roy was saying the first. T. T. Roy, go look. Search it up. Yeah. Look around. I didn't know we could go back that deep with it. You can go back.

2016. And it's just like videos on him on like live. Periscope live. Yeah, yeah. Because he ain't rap, I think I seen video. I do you every one I rap. Yeah. Who's the true schoon right now though?

The true scoom. To me, like my- I mean, just like, how do you see it? Who's got the rights to it? To say like they scone. Yeah. Scoomy schoom. My homie scum.

My homie scum. You know a schoom? Oh, so there's a schoon. Yeah, my homey baby schoon, yeah. That's my dog, for sure. So who got like that, the scoom? I feel like that the scoom, I feel like it's a, from.

us like T. Roy. So I don't know about all the other that scum, but you know, niggas get older people, you know. People forget people move on. Yeah, I don't trip over that shit, though. That shit ain't about nothing. Because even Tiski was telling us that he wouldn't have started reping that if he knew that there was already people from Chicago. Like, he didn't do it on purpose, which is kind of crazy because a lot of people are wondering why the fuck with so many different people would be saying, scoom. Now, we never caught ourselves like schoom gang and I'm like that. We, it was just

scoom, scoom, scorn, because that's what T. That's when I was younger. too so he'd been sitting there for a minute got it makes sense like before all this other scones right yeah this a new school schoom thing school school meta yeah um so oh you still live in obloat because you always in obloat like yeah my mama still stay there i just want to like to be like when i when i do what i do it's gonna be bigger because my mama on the block still so when i move my mama it's gonna be like epic type shit you see what I'm sure so does oblox seem like a crazy dangerous-sized place to you or do you just think of it as home just home it ain't dangerous or crazy it's just home on the outside looking in it might be dangerous

crazy but on our block we're a family we ain't no gang either we just a family right the record label family clothing brand whatever anything but a gang yeah like when I first went there that was kind of a big part and I've actually had this feeling a bunch of different times going to different people's hoods where it's like oh this place is famous for murder crazy-ass gang activity but then when you actually get there, it's like, oh, this is a bunch of kids, a bunch of family members. They all got hell of love for each other. They all known each other for 10, 20 years. And to the public, it's a violent thing.

It's a crazy war. But to them, when there is a thing going on, these are just a bunch of people who are unbelievably close to each other. Right. Yeah, for sure. We like family. We all been around each other for a little minute, a long time. So you're like the younger generation of O'Block, though.

I ain't the younger generation. It's a generation. but, like, closest to the youngest. Because, like, you got different eyes. Three-four generations up from the youngest. You said what? The youngest generation is, like. A bunch of nine-year-olds or something?

No, not even nine. The youngest generation right now, all they focus on is sports. That's the younger generation. Then you got. And what age group would you say that is, like, 16? No, hell, no. 13. Oh, for sure.

Like, my little brother, them, they're youngest. Like, they don't, they don't, they ain't, but, like, when they get older, they ain't going to be doing this shit, though, like, none of that. I do shit. But they, it's like, you somebody's just generations, period. I said that to say this, because you got, all right, you have the Chief Keith error. Right. Then King Vaughn, which would be, would you consider King Von get back gang error?

Is that? And then you got J-D-O jump-out boys. No, look, this is what you got, that's what you got, right? You got, you got my manager error. You got Donner area. You got OD number, right? Yeah, and that's the same error. Yeah, that's what, Top, Vaughan, Nuop.

Top, Von, B, J, E, D. You got them. Under them. Then you got HK. You got Rondo, now. You got HK. NUM. You got Rondo now.

Under them, I think other than them, what you got, Ocho now? OBM, Bouch, them. My Boy, Boots, no. Then on the boots, them, you got, you got B.S.G. You got Deschino now. DQ. Then on the DQue name, you got Jado jumpouts. But Jado was hanging with DQ.

So then you got Jado, NEM, TQ, Jado. Them like, then TQ, that was our big brother, but we, we take, we take TQ like with us, you see what I'm saying? But TQ with them too, though. Then you got Zell, then you got too hot. That's my homie. Like, that's my crowd. That's us.

We did. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So too hot boys, that's us. When you say about your younger brother that you don't think they're going to be on the same type of stuff that a lot of other people were on, you mean that to the younger generation, you don't imagine that they're going to be as interested in the whole gang thing. and having conflict. They're not already.

They only just want to do sports. But isn't that kind of like part of that is that when you are 12 or 13, you're not really at the point where you're probably thinking about all this other shit? Or do you think that they're really just different than prior generations? No, they do be thinking about it. I ain't go allowed to you. They do, but they're different, though. They still different.

They focus on sports. That's all I see them, like sports, whatever. Like, they starting to get on that with little females, stuff like that. Because when I think about, like, even my generation, like we were looking at rappers and we were looking you know like a lot of people you look at drug dealers

you look at criminals as if that's kind of the thing whereas I feel like the younger generation a lot of them are looking at Twitch streamers and YouTubers and just it feels like they have more of a variety at people that they could look up to and they like whereas from a younger generation

maybe there was a time period where the only thing that they thought that it was cool to be was a gang member or a drug dealer or some shit right that's really how it is with us with Dr. Younger like they got it's it's

it's a variety of people they can look up to. Like you got someone that look at the rappers, football players, basketball players, just content creators, Cassonet. Like, they'd be looking at to people. Exactly. If you can look at a Casinat or a KSI or a Logan Paul or something and be like,

oh, this is how I want to end up as just like a cool dude. Yeah, like you got kids on the block that'd be saying they want to stream. Stream, just play the game, like be games, stuff like that, yeah. Because even like podcasters and YouTubers, in a lot of ways, that shit's bigger than the rappers.

There's only a handful of popping rappers out of a city at any given time. There's a lot of fucking YouTubers that kids all over the world can relate to and can look it as like a positive influence. It's kind of an awesome thing. Yeah, yeah. Definitely.

So who you was looking at to when you was coming up? Like, what you're just on the block? In general, yeah. Who I was looking up to? Yeah, like. You can name Michael Jordan or something, too. You can name whoever. No, when I was younger,

I was looking up to people like, um, like I was like, I like, I like, I like, I like the actor like actors. Like Michael B. Jordan. I like them because I see in the movies. Rappers, it was always like topping them, though. Dirk, you know.

Lil Wayne, you know, people like that. Definitely. So Saucer was never, like, an influence for you. I know you had the least witness. No, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to laugh. Like, with me, though, I don't know. I can't remember.

Like, I really can't remember. But I was, yeah, I looked out to Sosa as far as, like, when it came to, like, the drill. all that doing bang bang shit like that but like not really though like rappers like if we if we talk about rappers it was because I've been around I went around so I was around top so top like rappers that I used to like listening to was like yeah top now then you got like L.A. Capone um like them so you and top had a real close relationship me and top lived in the same building mm yeah and his mom and my mom

mama lived in the same bill. Toppe used to pay me to take out his mama garbage when I was little. Really? Yeah. Just to give you something to make a little money or what? $1.00, yeah. I used to be scared to be around, Topped though, when I was younger. Why, you just thought he was already crazy?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you hear a lot of, when we're having these conversations with people from Oblock, Top's name keeps coming up over and over that he was somebody who was super influential on people there, not necessarily as somebody who just got successful and moved out, but just somebody who was always around and always kind of had a, Bit of a leadership role and shit, right?

Yeah, yeah. Y'all got cool last time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. What about, what about Vaughn? No, Vaughn, it was, um, when Vaughn was just doing what he was doing, like when he was alive, we was, like, 15, 16.

So, like, we had been, we was around, though. Like, he had handed us, like, Vaughn and my homie too hot told me how to shake up the block. Like, when I came back from Iowa for my daddy when I was in eighth grade, yeah, they told me how to shake up and shit. um you got rich we had seen handing us dollars on the block like just passing our money

that's what's up well i think we was too younger to even hang like with them for real because we we we weren't able to hang with them like bro the first party they had through a party for j money like across street from the block we was like 16 they had just see murder had told us we could come bro my homie b0 fucked it up for us because he got too high and fell out so that's why we invite y'all to no parties and i'm like y'all act like look like look kid. Yeah, yeah. He just smoked too much and he couldn't handle himself?

Like dancing or whatever, like just chilling. They had to know his face hit the wall. You're on the floor. I'm down. They're going to send us home. I knew they were finishing us home. Yeah, he got, yeah. That's like, man, y'all can't hang with us, bro.

Y'all be a dance time got, went over. We, yeah, we get, people mature every day, you know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. That's what's up. So when did you decide that you were going to really try to a musician as well and like when did you kind of start to develop your style when i was like right out of zelle passed away um because i was saying like i see um no right out the zeal passed

away i went to the studio with muwop now they was in uh it was him e mario that he'd be doing the camera that's yeah big brother Mario now like they was in there and i'm like damn we could do this too i'll tell him like we could do that too but my homie g nook he'd been rapping before all us. So, um, G. Nook had got out or whatever. I think he was like, I don't think, I don't know. What's he? But G. Nook had started come back around or whatever. But right before

that, I had just, my first time in the studio was September 2021. That's when I made my first song. It was called Think About. I had posted that. All brooding it was like under my shit going crazy. So it went from nothing. Yeah. Um, after that, we was outside talking about that.

They like, they was telling me like, man, why didn't tell us? how to rap you know how to rap ooh-woo I like rap I'm like I don't like rap I'm like man I like to sing ooh so then I'm gonna sign you to get back in like right but right right right after that he got locked up I think like some days later that's what was so crazy about it I'm like damn he got locked that right after that shit but yeah from there I dropped my first song it was letter to zeal whatever then I thought I dropped like my song and two we meet again like that's probably my best song y'all gotta go get that bit like that bit like that bit now that's probably like that's what gave me like all right I'm gonna keep going up to

yeah yeah but I ain't never like before I was 17 I never thought about rapping the doing under that I used to play around but I never thought about like actually you know doing the shit so he was actually trying to more I was trying to make get-back gang on an official label it is a label who's who's on a get-back game right now um you got d ray in Paris yeah they still sound to that shit really everybody we all Family so yeah it ain't really like you sign we just but that's move-ups label was that Vaughn's label It was a label period yeah yeah yeah that's all it is a label that's all so what Who were you listening to the made you want to go in the more emotional melodic direction

Rye way Lisea Osama smirk Who else? Damn who else I'm missing? I'll polo G too. I like polo g the legend was it were you conscious of like realizing that maybe if you became a drill rapper that that shit could only go so far and that if you focused on singing and shit that that might be able to really

do something for you? I don't want to like no offense to my brother and like I love all my brothers that do drill rap like they do raw drill rap but I just didn't want to be in the same like bowl as them like when it came to that because it's like you could you could be a drill rapper but it only go go so far

like that ain't music that's going to be everlasting Like when you like I'm gonna just do the same shit because I know like melodies and shit like that that shit can go on and on You see what I'm saying? Like that's music that I never die out. You see what I'm saying? Because it's like it's a voice behind it. It's kind of motivational to see somebody like you who's young and you get that or even like watching shoebox kind of develop over the years and realizing that he is young, but he's still smart enough to see the game and realize that he doesn't necessarily want to base his whole career over talking shit about guys. on the other side of town or whatever and I feel like that's it's cool to see young people who are kind of aware of that because for a while in Chicago it was just a

formula like you're gonna rabbit about a bunch of people you don't get along with and that and you're gonna all have the same flow when you go back and listen to Chicago rap from 2012 2013 it is just such a crazy blast from the past it just be like damn this was like all there was for a period of time yeah that was a thing like that was my whole like my whole reason behind like even doing the the choosing like the melodic route and the singing route because I'm like man everybody in chicago doing drill like bro drill that shit don't you gonna you ain't get no i've been saying this before i'm gonna say i swear to god i've been saying this before like you be

seeing all these posting out niggas saying drill rap don't get you nowhere drill rap ain't no money in it i've been saying this way before all this i've been saying this when i first started but do you think that's true though because like look at vaughan i feel like bro this one i'm saying came from it's true now because bro the niggas debas deb is doing a they made it already bro like Just think about it. You got Sosa, you got G Herbo, you got Dirk. You got niggas, like, even Lil Risi, like, Risi, you see what I'm saying? Like, Vaughn, they made it off the shit already.

And Vaughn, it was dreary rap, but he was storytelling. I'm talking about Drewa rap, like, how Sosa was doing it and how, like, how Toplin was doing it. That type of drill rap. It's like, the motherfucker who was doing Drew a rap, the originators, like them, like, them, like Drey and them, Prince, too, because he was one of them, too. They already made it, bro. Like they already in a better place right now. You see what I'm saying? Like they better than, like, they already had their time to like,

to like, they broke the poverty changes in their family, basically. I feel like Vaughn kind of like took drill rap to such an extent and was so good at it and managed to like, like, a lot of those fucking chop squad beats were so good. Yeah, I like, I fuck with them beats. He just managed to like make probably like the best Chicago drill that were ever here. and also kind of like as he was doing it was also like making shit that was better than drill music and then you even look at dirt it's like dirk got famous for making drill music and then as soon as he graduated out of that he spent like many many many years grinding and wasn't really as popular for a while but then eventually he got so much better and and just kind of like graduated past that shit and managed to do the thing that so many artists fail at which is graduating out of like street music into real music Right.

Not to Dennett great street music. He just, like, worked on his craft. Like, he better it so. Mm-hmm. That's all it was. Yeah. To the point where it almost feels unfair to call Dirk like a drill rapper. He just kind of just so much more than that.

If you go back, though, to the old, then you'll know. Like, my, niggas probably don't be listening to, like, the old smirk. Yeah. I'm definitely not. Like, when I listen to Dirk, I'm definitely not going back to 2014. It's just like, he just got incredibly better over the years, you know? A couple classics from that era, though. You got to give it to him.

What's your relationship with dirt? You ever met Dirt or he was? Yeah, I just, I met, I met him back then when I was younger, but I don't think he remembered that shit. But recently he just had a show in the rack at the United Center. He was walking out and shit for him to go get ready to perform, had a whole crowd behind. He stopped out the crowd, turned around, walked back just to shake my hand.

Like, what you want? That's real. I was chopping up with him and shit, like, at the show, like backstage and shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you have like, yeah, because the same thing sound like a lot of people not coming, how you're coming from Chicago. Like, so I think, I think dirt, because I even see Meek Mill other day. He reposted one of your songs.

Shout out Meek Mill. Did it really? That's awesome. Yeah. Where did you meet Mill? Like, where did he stumble across your music or you met him? No, look, what happened is I had, after I made that song, I was sitting on the song for, like, a couple days.

And then when I, um, like, it was, it wasn't even done all the way. then I was like I'm just gonna record like rapping over the song whatever so I did that then I post the video then I had got like the first the when I in the video when I I mean in the song I say last nigga sleep and the first nigga woke because the first nigga sleep would be the first nigga broke meek meal got a freestyle on his YouTube turn there's like eight minutes long I know the whole freestyle word from word I was listening I was listening to it for like five days straight and I just I took that in then I'm like when I post I'm like tag meek meal my boy twin o tl twin he sent it to him and shit he like but he twin bents sending him my shit though

he's saying it through twin and shit and he like he reshare my shit he started liking shit on my page shit like that that's dope yeah because i mean meek even uh when we interviewed reese reese had like a part of it that got reposted on some meme page where he was basically talking about meek flying him out and basically showing him a bunch of love and kind of showing them what the rich life was like and like what life could be like if he kind of got out the streets and got more focused on the music or whatever and Meeke actually reposed that on his story and was clearly like hyped to see Reese paying his respects for the fact that he actually like took a chance to show him what life could be like. Yeah, you always got to pay your respect though. Definitely. Yeah, we need a Mickmill interview.

I wonder how many years I got to grind interviews before we can make that happen. Oh, me'd be crazy. Yeah, that'll be hard. If y'all game on, y'all, damn. Yeah, would you sign to Mee Mill? Then what did he wanted you? on the chases yeah yeah i'm gonna meet me yeah that'll be a good look but my i want my dream chaser chain a oblocking and there's some half speaking about all right so with the obloch chains did all right so are you going to the same jeweler that vaughn went like how do that work yeah yeah i'm getting bro i said i was gonna do put damage in my mouth like folks yeah i just i just feel like

i just like nobody should get the big old block chain because i feel like that'd be bro just let him have that you see what i'm saying like let him had the big old block chain that's like legendary so he should that he should be the only one that had that chain nobody shouldn't go get out there out there nothing like that you know who has his shame now you know i think his family got his chain yeah yeah like he the only one like he deserved that chain like that's so i'm saying like five like me i won't even go get a bigger oblock chain nobody should go get one but i get damaged in my mouth i'll get watches like you know racist shit like that really so you would tell a young dude from o block who's real proud of where he's from that just getting that chain is a weird

look? No, not even a weird look like it's just like, oh no, because you know, he ain't hit almost. So it's like, I just feel like nobody shouldn't get that chain. Like, that's just how I feel though. Like nobody shouldn't go get that big chain. Not even, don't even get one bigger than here. Like here should be the biggest. That's all. You know what I'm saying? But y'all take the same design that he had. Yeah, you could take the same design. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But don't go get the big one though. Right. You there the day that, uh, Vaughn came to the hood and gave those out and everything? Like what was that day like? He didn't give out the chains in the hood.

Like I think he gave them their chains. They were out of town or shit. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I don't think he gave him out in the hood. No, it's a- I was just seeing him. Broome.

When he passed out some money in the hood, that's right. Yeah, yeah. I was just seeing Brodum come back with they changed, though. Like, I'm like, damn, I'm like, raw. But even that day, there's like a famous vlog of King Vaughn. He got Asian dollar and old block.

He passed out of $100,000. Were you there? Like, how? No, no, I went outside that day. I ain't gonna lie. I went out there. Shoebox was out there, though. I went out there.

But I know when you came back, the block, everybody lit. Yeah, well, I came out. I seen, this nigga move out. Just not in this pocket. I'm damn. All brodom had money. They had showing their money and showing me. That's raw.

That's motivation right there, right? Yeah. You go, I'm gonna do the same thing, though. Probably a little better though. But I'm gonna do the same thing. As far as like, there's like, a lot of people in Chicago like take losses as far as, like, losing people. Who was like the first person that, like,

that you knew that you lost that it was like this one actually hit on um first person like around that that you were actually friends with like you know oh like friends not no none of the big bro like just like something that was like when you were real close to somebody it was my homie tq he was the first one i passed away like that i was like that i was like super close with that that was my big brother homie but that was my homie too though like i hung around him you see what i'm saying then it was after tq was my it was my it was Jado. I used to spend out of Jado.

Me and Jado and my brother, we used to go to church together. Jado used to make deep-friad Oreo pancakes for us. Like, when I was here. Jado all cooked. Jado used to know how to do that shit. So you deep fry the Oreos and then you put him in the pancakes? No, look, this is what it is. He had chopped the Oreos up, put him in the pancake mix and make them.

My brother would have teared here, you don't tell him. Folks just do that shit. He and his mom used to get us little dress clothes for church and shit like that. Or tithes and shit like that. Yeah, yeah. Damn, that's fine. What's the average rent of an apartment in Oblo? I don't know, bro.

I don't call out to you. I don't know. I know. I know, my boy. No, he knows, yeah, he knows. I don't know, though. What? I've always wondered that.

Have you seen, like, uh... Remot got to be there one day. They got the reviews. You know, you know they got B&B. You can rent apartments out on the block. Or are you can rent an apartment of a block? I'd be seeing people post that shit on Airbnb. That sounds like a viral YouTube video.

I rent to the Airbnb and Oblox. Yeah, you should do it. When y'all come to the block, go on Airbnb, just rent the Airbnb on the block. Next round in O'Bloggers. Probably like $50. Yeah, yeah, it can't be that bad, right? $50 for a night.

Be a decent little bathroom. They're going to kick me out. I'm throwing a party in there. All right, but how does that work? So, y'all, some random niggas say, man, I'm staying in O'block tonight. I just rent at that Airbnb. No, hell, hell no.

That's for y'all, though, just for y'all. Not them fucking. But I'm saying, what if you got somebody in there trying to rent out the apartment for the night? And then somebody ran them. If we don't know you, you can't get, well, come on, bro. We ain't doing that, right? We ain't. It's like, I don't know how that shit going to go.

I would just be, I was just talking, really, but. I'm about to say it. Because I know they ain't just, niggas. Yeah, I'll be crazy. Yeah, I'll be crazy shit like that. You like, you can go on Google reviews. They were like, this the most beautiful place I didn't ever say. You seen them trolling?

They're being sarcastic. That's beautiful. It was pretty before once, though. When he was younger, they had big-ass trees, green trees. big a it'd be they know how to clean up outside though right every crib be starting off clean don't give me wrong but it'd be like when the trifling holes and shit come through that's what they do they fuck the careers up on their own just being alive as long as i've been allowed though i've seen that a million times where a city will open a skate

park and it looks so nice and then you fast forward fucking three four or five years there's a shill over graffiti there's cigarettes everywhere fucking the the trees near it got burned down and it's like anything you put in a city where people are just going to be hanging out all it's just going to get fucked up at a certain point. It's just a matter of time. Yeah, like our parks, we had nice parks. We fucked our parks up. I ain't allowed to you.

Y'all got most of the park's a whole block? Because I always see the main one. We had, when I was, I didn't go, I don't know, like, I mean, when I was younger, we had, like, I don't know if it was, like, a park. It was, like, a brown, it was brown parks done, like, brown parks with the dirt, the woodchucks. We had them. That's when I was younger, though.

Like, I was probably, like, four years old. I remember them once. Yep. And then we ain't had no parks for a minute. It was just concrete. Then, like, 2012, we had got parked. Like, they put swings and new slabs and shit like that. But they went.

Parks never last over there. I ain't go left. Parks ain't going to last, I don't think. So, like, you, because, like, you said you still living old block and always in old block. My mom's still living old block. All right, but, yeah. But, now, you over there a lot, though. Yeah, I'm over there.

That's my block. Like, that's my, bro, I got, bro, we got slots all through the block, bro. Like, me and my homies, we got slots out. I'm just saying, like, we got, slots through the block. Like, that ain't nothing. Like, females. A female's a slot? Yeah, like a new female move on the block. Bro, them would get on that with them just to get the slot.

Right. Yeah. I've been trying to figure out how many baddies there are on O Block. I don't know, bro. It's all right? I don't think they baddies. If they're really bad, they'd be out of there pretty quick. No, yeah, no, it'd be bad. It'd be some raw shit that'd be in that something. No BBLs, though, huh?

They'll be raw until you get to know him. He'd be like, man, hell no. That shit did. So you get to know them and then you realize that they're shitey as fuck? No, they just trifling. Yeah. They're just for everybody. Any Oblock chicks ever, like, fuck with any of the ops or anything? Yeah, yeah.

That's the thing. They do it now. The younger ones do it, too. That's gonna be crazy, bro. That's weird. Damn. Yeah. So say, like, are you in Oblock?

Like, you order DoorDash? Like, you can go to the normal, the local McDonald's. How did that work? Like, is that just saying? No, that shit will come. Yeah, yeah. We'd be chilling. This is a regular place to,

a lot of people around them. Yeah, yeah. Nah, but I'm saying though, like, just to even just be on some safe shit, like, do you, like, you making store runs and shit, or no? No, I don't go to the store, I ain't go, huh?

I don't even, because I, like, when I go to the store, I'd be liking to be moved militant and the police be right there and shit. I don't go, I'll send one to the liberal now. Like, not saying, but, like, give them dollars to go to the store. But we had walked to the store here and now, though.

Like, you will see y'all some lab probably walk to the store, something like that. No, I do be seeing y'all. And y'all be walking to the mirror and stuff too yeah shit like that yeah i when people be bro like maybe people like hit me like ooh-woo i just want to take a picture with you not we'll walk over that to the mirror we would walk like 20 deep though over there yeah yeah were you offended when jane went to the

mural yeah yeah we weren't feeling that because i just felt like he was trying to be funny right oh no because i just like if it was the other way around i feel i just like if it was a mirror party one of his homies and one of one of one of bro them went over there and did that day was don't take it a whole different way yeah well I don't know kind of undermine the whole pushing the piece thing yeah oh I ain't how you feel about the pushing the piece moving like you can stand on it I don't stand behind my people's I don't care about that I don't be thinking about that I ain't we push positivity I mean that's what e-dogs say so we push positivity right I mean yeah that sorry they're doing a little construction next door but so in general

general though, like, are you in favor of peace overall? Like, like, because you kind of seem like you have a level head on your shoulder. Like, you probably aren't really concerned with any of the fuck shit. Yeah, I don't be with all that. I'll be chilling, bro. I'm probably most, I'm probably one of the coolest ones you with me, bro. I'll be chilling. Yeah, yeah, just be chilling.

I chill with my guy, T.S.G. Too hot boy. That's why I cheer with me and my guys, we just be chilling. Definitely. Um, so, okay. Did anybody, like, come to you or, like, you know, embrace you early on and, like, help guide you into the music shit? Or from your perspective, was it just like, you kind of just on your own?

Like, who kind of led you in the right direction? My big brother, darn. He's real to two y'all got to get up with him. Okay. The show, man, he got to, why are you shaking your head, bro? He got to get out with, man. Buildings, come get some buildings, crib, whatever. Yeah, Kavanaugh.

Yeah. The last interview, y'all. Yeah. Yeah. He's the first one believed in me for real, though. Like out of air, he took me in. He ain't never managed nobody, and I ain't ever been no rapper, but we made it look what we're at.

How did you trust him to manage you, though? Like, what made you like, yeah, you could do this? We're from the same block, bro. It's like, shit. It just be like, oh, no. We just locked in, like, locked in from the same block. That's just how it is. Definitely.

The last time you talked to, like, move-up or bust up. I talked to move-up, like, um, I was just going to the trial, so I would talk to Mua, like, one of the days after the trial, I talked to him. So you actually went to the trial, like you was going, like, every day? Yeah, I was in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You seen FBG butt on the stand? No, I went that when he did that.

Oh, what about Trenge's News? I don't know nothing about that. Oh, right. Yeah, no. We ain't talking about that, though. But I talked to the top, like, last week, I want to say, a week or two ago. Yeah. Yeah, he was telling him.

I talked to him through shoebox, I think. or past the one of them. How long you think it's going to be until boss top gets up? Should we going to manifest? Like, quick, you know what I'm saying? Right. Quick. It could be the day.

It could be tomorrow. It could be a few days. I mean, he got a five-year sentence, but that was a couple of years ago. So it's, like, realistically within the next year, it wouldn't be that surprising if he got out, right? Yeah, yeah. You're going to get out. Definitely. So, okay, is it, well, I'm going to leave that alone.

We're not going to ask about the truth of the shit. You don't want to talk about that. that bro. All right, we can edit that out. What's your relationship with like with Gleesh? I think I seen you and Gleach doing an interview or he was sitting next to you in an interview? Yeah, that's my big brother. I fuck with Gleash. Yeah. Gleesh is crazy. He got the, you know, Cain Vaughn got the iconic

the Gleash's place on. You was ever chopping and, like, chilling over there. Gleash do anything. If he got money involved, Gleash, Gleash with it. That's how Glees. Gleash, like, all around. He's multi-tax. He can multitask. He's one of them type people. He'd be everyone doing everything, whatever. You know what I'm doing? How many rappers I got in O block right now?

Because I know. I knew you from the X. You got a name. We got, um, shit. Like, in the, like, just from our air. Who rapping right now from the O? You got, you got shoebox. Yeah.

You got me, I'm on the Aiki. You got DQ. Shout out of DQ. You got Mua. You got big chubs. You got G Knuck. You got Cam Slam. You got Buck Munner.

Who I'm missing? You got Edo. You ain't say Duke. You said Duke. Oh, yeah, you got Duke, too. That's my big brother. You got Duke. Free Ty, Y.

We got TY, too. Blitz. Yep. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to do, like, an O-Block cipher here. Oh, yeah, we can do that. So if we were to be picking, let's say, four rappers, and you're one of them,

that represent the best talent from your perspective of who's coming out of O'Block right now, I feel like I got to also put my boy Shoebox in the mix. Yeah, yeah. You got two more picks, and maybe I'll give you three. Maybe we're going to have five people in the cipher. Who are the other three people that you feel like would be good representatives?

Bro. You're going to offend somebody. No, hell no, bro, because it's like you're trying to make me say who better and who's not. Ain't nobody better than nobody. We are all the same. We equal. But, um, and five, like, I'm going to just say this

just because we're the younger ones. So, like, big bro, then won us, they want to see us win. So if it was me and shoebox, after them, after me and shoebox, it'll be G. Nook, big chubs, and it's hard to pick, be,

bro, it'd have to be Cam E and Buck. It'll have to be them, too. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, just let them know. We've got to make it happen. Yeah, we got Prince Drake to, me and Prince Drake from the drop some shit real soon.

Do you count him, even though he kind of moved on a while ago? Yeah, and Drake birthday the same day. Right. Like we locked in, been locked in since I was a little boy. But you're going to throw him in the mix, even though he don't stay there right now, and he kind of moved to a different state? Yeah, he's still Oblock, though. Okay.

He's O'Block. And he's got a book out, too. You seen his book? Yeah, I've seen the book. I ain't read it, though, but I've seen it. What's it called? What is it called? I don't know.

But y'all go to Prince Drake pages on there. Yeah, it's like surviving. Survivor. Is it Surviving? Obloat? Yeah, Survivor. Yeah. Might be survival.

I got to go get his book. It's on Amazon and shit, I think. Definitely. So how did you grow up in that environment and never be tempted to drink or smoke? Bro, I don't even know. How do you know I don't drink or smoke? I told you. It says it on the list.

Remo figured it up. Oh, damn. Y'all got it. Damn. Y'all figuring me out shit. I don't know. I just felt like if I was to drink a smoke, it would make me feel, I feel like less of, like less of a person. Like, I don't care about myself or something.

But you got people who do that shit just because they go through shit, though. Like people have real reason to do that shit. I just feel like it ain't got no reason to do that shit. Like, I don't know, bro. I just don't never see myself being drunk or half. I just can't let it happen. Like, I ain't, don't get me wrong. I didn't, I didn't bend around broding them.

Like, they didn't have weed and shit. I didn't try to hit the weed, but I don't inhale it for once. And if I be around them for a long time and they're smoking. Starts to freak you out a little? No, I never get hot. Like, bro, they blow smoke in my face. I just don't get hot. It's not for me, I guess.

Like, no, I don't see myself doing that shit. And I ain't even going to start. I feel like most people probably use it as like a coping mechanism. Yeah, for sure. So what would you like say your coping mechanism is like if you're not drinking? Making music. That's what I do. You put your all in.

Like hell yeah. Like if I like with drinking and smoking and shit, I just can't see myself doing it. And I ain't going to start doing it because you know you got niggas that be, but I'd be seeing niggas bro like, niggas don't never smoke, drink, do none of that. Niggas start rapping, getting a little money. Now they just want to do it just to, because they see everybody else doing it. You ain't got no reason to do it. I've seen that many times.

Yeah. Honestly, like, especially when you're young and, like, really grinding and hustling and your focus should be on making your music as good as possible and meeting people and all that kind of shit. A lot of that shit just kind of seems like a backwards approach, you know? Whenever I see like 16, 17, 18 year old kids and they just high as fuck, and I'm like, bro, you didn't even. You didn't even start your life yet. You don't even know what the fuck you're doing. I ain't go like, well, weird, though. You see kids, damn, 11, 11.

They be high. I haven't even off the weed, like, Zans. That's wild. But it's different, like I said, when the age we was 10, we was thinking like we was 15. So just imagine how they think now. Right. For sure. Definitely.

If you could work with any artists like in the industry and shit, who would you want, like, to do a song with? I got a couple of. Your name was like who, they see this right now, like who you want to work with? Meek Mill, Drake, Smirk, Polo G, Morgan Wallin, Jay Cole, Lisei, Ler, Lisee, I mean Lusay, I already got the shit from the come, whatever. Like, mainstream, right? We're talking mainstream. Chance the rapper.

Who I'm missing? How'd you get turned on a chance? Because I feel like a lot of the dudes. I started listening to Chance Rap when he made that, it's a song, you don't want no problem, I'm no problem with me. I was younger though when that came out. And then he was on that song with Justin Beaver now. Like that, I'm the one song.

And he got that blessings keep, it's like blessings, keep. but I just keep falling. So you always had a real appreciation for all types of music because I feel like a lot of the street rappers. Yeah, different music. When I mentioned some of the other dudes, like even Kanye or like Common or Chance, they don't really know.

Common too, yeah. I like the common when I was. My old teacher went to school with him. So she knew him. Like, well. Are you a person who grew up with a lot of music in your household? Because it kind of feels like you wouldn't have

this appreciation for music if you didn't kind of get it from your parents? In my mama house, my mama listened to like girl music, like female artists. But my grandma house, hell yeah, been around. My grandma didn't listen to hip-hop. She listened, like, all type of shit. Like, but my mama, then I just been around.

Like, I was always on YouTube or on demand, like, On Demand, like, Xfinity, shit. I go to my homie, we never had cable. I go to my homie J.C. Crip. He had that shit. So I'm assuming that you were, you're listening, everything Dirk puts out, and then you hear the Morgan Wallen song, and did that kind of just send you being interested in country music? Like, how did that go?

Yeah, yeah, that's what this is. send me to I ain't go laugh and then I did a song with I don't know if y'all know who kid he is he a country artist I got a song I don't know yeah yeah that's like to I like I just couldn't wait to work with no country artists but so was that when you heard Dirk doing the song with Morgan Wall and did that that was the first time you had really heard country music like that and then country music that sounded raw though right from listening to that and then listening to some other popular country music I kind of just started to realize it's a dude there's a shitload of overlap between hip-hop like they got the same fucking drums

It's just a different style of acoustics, but it's like, really, it's very similar. Yeah, then it's the country artist's name like Church, upchurch or something like that. Oh, Ryan Upchurch? Yeah, I interviewed him, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like his shit. He'd be having a little motorcycle crew with him. Okay. And that shit be raw upchurch, yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, it's really good. I always be everybody from Chicago, I put, uh, I asked him, who would you put on the drill Mount Rushmore? Oh, my drill right, Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. Oh, Chicago. You ain't even got to be drilled just like Chicago. Chicago.

Yeah, like the artist. Yeah. Kanye West. Yeah. A little dirt. Give me two more. Have me on that, four? Yeah, four.

Kanye West, little dirt. Sosa. Cane Vine. No. Damn. If it could be five, six, I'll put G. Herbo on that, too. Yeah. Yeah.

What is it about Herbo's music that you think makes them important because I feel like he's a very very influential rapper that people don't discuss it enough yeah um like the stuff he talked about in his songs he'd be talking about like like real shit in his songs like I'm telling like the song like friends and foes I like that song like all that rhyme with it he'd be talking about real shit in his song so yeah I feel like he'd been doing it for a minute like his flow has always just been ahead of its time too he's just been doing like a weird disconnected It sounded flow that people really fuck with, like, before a lot of people got on board with that style.

Sure. We actually just found out the G. Herbo ain't going to jail, so that was nice. Because for a minute, the headlines were, like... Oh, then he ain't going to jail? No, they said he got three years probation, which for a while there weren't the headlines all saying, like he's going to jail for five years and everybody's hating on him, acting like you about to go. They be wishing that on people. Like, I don't like people that wish jail on people.

Right. And then it just came out. He got three years probation. So, I mean, that's still kind of sucks with him. I think at one point he thought he was going to jail, too, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good though. That's amazing, yeah.

Her come forward with us, man. Yeah, yeah, go fuck with them. Facts. Um, okay, so how much time you spend in Atlanta at this point? Do I spend in Atlanta? Yeah. Bro, I used to be in Atlanta, like, what I used to be in Atlanta? Like, 22, 2021, I had a little bitch, but, oh, that's over there.

I used to be out there at her career, like a lot, like, I used to be out there. But this before I was rapping, then when I started rapping, I come out there, I go to Topping, on DQ House. Be with them shit, being around, like, studios, rappers, shit like that. Did you appreciate being away from Chicago to do you like being laid back out there? I ain't going to lie. I really just started leaving, being there to leave Chicago when I started doing music. I'm like, yeah, I's always like, damn, I ain't, I ain't never been no way.

Like, my mama never even been out of Chicago. really that's why i said i gotta get rich bro i gotta do something because i'm gonna show my mama something whole different so she ain't cause she ain't never been out of chicago so shit like that you still got real good relationship with your mom and i'm probably my only kid that ever been out of chicago my mama got six kids no i'm never been on planes out of town seeing like like it's dark here and light there like shit like that oh yeah yeah me and my mama that's all i know is my mama my mama my grandma my uncle my biological school father went around but my little brother and them did he was around me i call him my pops but

yeah all i know is my mama i ain't go lie to you like it's always just been her and her six she made it happen from nothing i know she proud of you too though right yeah yeah my grandma has too they know all the music all the songs really yeah yeah my mama had what's my favorite song my mama favorite song about me yeah probably vroy did that bitch bro y'all got to listen to that too it's um the god did it's like i used That was probably like 150,000 views. Your last video, Locker Film, shot it? No, he ain't shoot it. My husband was on the...

Yeah, he presented it for me. Oh, for sure. That bitch, what is that? Like, what it said? Don, like 30, 32, $31,000 in like three days? Telling the name of it, too, for it who ain't heard. Oh, yeah, Muna Ike. Hoping my hood.

Y'all got to go get that. It's from the drop on all platform. By the time this, coming out, it's going to be on all platforms. So, yeah, yeah. Where do you see yourself five years for now? Just being... I see my... Five years for now?

What I'm 19? I'm 19. Young as fuck. 24 years old. Or what do you want? What I want. What I want? Yeah, what you want out of this?

Wealth, success. Like, I just want to be, like, better time. In five years, I want to be able to put my people's, like, put people in a better position than they is. You see what I'm saying? Like, I want to be the one people could say, like, oh, yeah, he helped me change my life. Or, like, he, I could lean on him. You see what I'm saying? Like, I want to be like that.

Like, just wealthy, really. more wealthy, being at a lookout for the hood, like, shit like that. I've always been a caring person, though, so that is, like, what I want to do. Like, five years from now, I just see myself probably being, like, over mainstream, really. I'm going to put the work in, for sure. How much time do you actually spend working on music? Like, are you a person who's always working on it? Like, I ain't go a lot.

I'm not going to allow to you, bro. Like, I'd be getting two of my manager because I, bro, it'd be me sometimes. Like, I get distracted quick. But it's like, he had just be trying to teach me a lesson. It's like, because when I be wanting to work on the music, like, it'll be like, I want to work on the music. Then just because before I was acting lazy and I hit him, like, man, let's go to the studio.

He'll spend me just because he'd be like, I want focus. So I just got to stay focused. I feel like a lot of the best rappers, the most successful rappers, are people who are fucking pathological with recording, the type of guys who like blatantly are like not, spending as much time as they should with their girl or their family because they're recording so much. The rappers I see who are literally like in the studio, the night that they get out of fucking prison and shit, like they just have like a dedication to it that I feel like

just recording a lot is a huge part of it. Because if you make 100 songs, I guarantee that song number 100 is going to be a lot better on average than song number one. And it's just a matter of making all those fucking songs and like really figuring out what you want to do. Yeah, yeah. So if I was like recording, we always recording, though. Like, we always working. Like, even if it's from home, we're still doing something. Like, it could be a day we don't go to the studio, but we're working. We work and we're doing something.

You see what I'm saying? I feel like people are prime. Like, they want the O Block Rod Wave. I feel like you could be that. Yeah, yeah. Now, they got it already. They say that already. Like, that's what they say.

Like, even though I used to fuck with that comparison. But then it's like, I know how to do other shit. I could do different shit. You see what I'm saying? saying like so yeah they got it though people always say like the old block rideway whoa yeah like they got the shit that's just what it is so what are those conversations with labels like shit we we be talking man we we gonna have some shit coming soon like with labels it be like they just be tell like yeah you different like oh so send music

send the music they get in the act with me shit like that you know yeah I'll be talking like people be a lot of people reaching out now since like me me every posting my shit that's why I say I appreciate him for that too yeah yeah that's crazy he didn't have to do that just a repost from him could kind of send your career in the right direction bro it could be one thing that has just changed your life like if you were artists

like I'm telling me like a pain could change your life for you one of them type of artists or one song one song one painting one one clothing line one raw ass brand that shit could change your life bro yeah yeah me or I fuck with him for that though he looked out Hopefully we do some shit or reach out sign the motherfucker.

I mean, so you have offers. You just want to make sure that you do the right offer? No, yeah, yeah. I've been getting, bro, I was getting offers before I even had a song out, game. Really? Yeah, yeah. Like, I had like two songs, I want to say. I had two songs out.

I was getting offers before that. What you on? He's a regular on this couch. He's your third time here this month. Yeah, no. Say third. The boy, damn. Yeah, you've been putting the work on the pod.

So folks with that clothing brand just say you got some fun me when I get back. Hmm. Um, so okay, you tell us, you think this kid's special? I for sure. I was there talking about him. Why is this in my interview here? Right. Yeah, for sure, yes.

I told you, I all of them are. How old are the people are named? People you named? Yeah. So if we do an O-Block cipher here, you're going to be on it? For sure. What's up? 100%

Okay. That's one of the... We got three spots filled, though. Yeah, yeah. Well, we gotta talk to Shubox. No, Shubbox's under my wing. That's my guy. That's my guy.

That's my boy. That's my boy. No, Shubops is mad. We just had a little flare up about the... Yeah, Shubbos don't be with all that, bro. He's mad that you, bro. I forget that he all grown up. He called you Adam 21, not even Adam 22.

He's a gangster as fuck now. I forget, you know? Oh, yeah, he's true. The transition from like, you know, you meet him young, and then, Like they're all of a sudden they're grown as far. They don't like you joking about them. I'm like, all right, I got to respect the transition. Shubox, you my guy.

Yeah, yeah. You be out here now a lot though, right? Yeah, DQ can wait to get out of house around shit. He got out of house where it's been gone since. Oh, or so that's what was stopping you from moving around, right? I was on a band. I was playing my case two years and shit and I just beat it. Yeah.

That's love. So now it's up, right? Because you're outside, that boy would be. Yeah, I'm out here. I ain't gonna lie. I'm coming. So you looking to sign to anybody or are you? Yeah.

You look in the sign to a label? I mean, yeah, it makes sense for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like, that's another thing. Like, when they come to labels, bro, labels are thing, like, me just because I'm young, like, that I'm just money hungry. Like, oh, bro, I'm smart as fuck, bro.

Like, you can't even outsmart me because it's like, I've been mature. So labels are trying to hit you with, like, labels will try to hit you with, like, um, I try to hit me like with money, bro. money don't it got to be made it got to make sense for me it got to be the right thing for me you see what I'm saying like I ain't just looking just a sign just for some money I'm looking like for some shit like that's going to work for me in the long run you see and so saying and also like y'all have like the the chief keep deal that's like a standard of like because back in the day y'all probably didn't she keep get signed for like three million six million I don't know

well I don't know but I don't know but I feel like everybody at one point then he got he got a couple of me he got a couple so you know what I'm saying so like back then that was a lot harder to come by because like by the time you get to like 2017 2018 rapper start getting a lot more money but back then it was a little bit what you are we talking to my little brother take money I don't know okay how many monas are there right now shit a lot see and half of the block let me see hey put your face in the camera hold it up to the mic can y'all see yeah talk say something say something you on the mic you say what say something you on the mic you on the mic you say something you on the mic

They jumped out T-A-2. They got you. Yeah, they got you. I'm at my little bro, baby school, man. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm talking about baby school. That's the school I know. You know?

That's who got the school name. Who's the real school? Who's the real school? T-roy. Told you. Who's the real current school? Baby school. Oh, okay.

My boy's school. People out there are Googling school. Left and right. Baby, bro. No, Ross. Yeah, for sure. Right. I'll be tight.

Now, yeah, I got to do it. I got to do them tape, there enough. All of them on that, for sure. Type shit. Can't see it. Definitely. Shit, you got anything else, Rima? What are we talking about?

We're chilling, man. Shit, uh. So, yeah, like, you be recording yourself, or are you always in the studio, though? I'm trying to learn how to record myself. But my manager bought me a studio, but I had to feel like, yeah, I still ain't learned.

how to use it. Y'all got songs together? No, yeah, we got one song. Like one, no, I got to do some more with him. He just did some. When he got out house rest, we used on house rest. I ain't really been, really was in a stew and shit like that, but I got time really getting a store a lot now.

When he was on house arrest, you wasn't recording anything? No, not really. I was recording a little bit now, like, I suppose it was, though. It was just, like, I couldn't probably go to certain studio because of shit like that. It'd be different because it's like, bro, when you in a studio, it'd be a whole vibe, bro. vibe, bro, like, recording home and shit. Like, you got to be comfortable, bro. Like, you got to be in that mode.

So, yeah, I'll get what he's saying about that part. Like that, all that. Well, no, for sure, y'all got some, y'all going to do some shit. I have some shit on the way. Yeah, we got some. I need to put an O-block compilation together this song. Not for sure. We're definitely going to work on that.

We're definitely going to get everybody together. Who's going to be the fucking ringleader to actually, like, take the reins and put that shit together, though, because it's probably a lot of work. It could be any one of us. We could just come, bro. We're doing it together. man stinker like so we all come together and come up with some raw or shit that'd be hard

like an o-block compilation and song yeah yeah I'm gonna make the cipher happen yeah make that sure you can do a-sail we're gonna be gonna get on top of it the fast or the better okay okay and we're gonna do the freestyle too though yeah for sure I'll do it nice nice let's get it we got an unreleased song I got a block in the building all right perfect anybody you want to shout out what do people need to remember Shout out. O'block. Shout out the whole game, man.

T-SG, two our boys. I'm litigas. J-O jump outs. DQ, send them all the guys. Shout out, everybody. Send him a song to go stream and shit. Well, then you go check out right now. Man, I ain't a lot.

I got a lot of shit on YouTube. Half of the songs we got. What's your first song you got on YouTube right now that you got? Somebody even never heard you before. The favorite song I got ain't out yet. My shit, though, you go. go like my shit I got some shit I just dropped hoping my hood I got that bitch

that bitch going crazy I got him until we meet again that's probably like one of you got listening to we meet again I want you to go listen to Adam like personally go list to that I got Vroy did that bitch hard too play I heard yeah yeah I got shit called Venn it's coming soon like that bitch hitting like yeah you're from to go up you see what I'm saying yeah I need y'all go go check all that shit up now you got mainstream appeal too so you're gonna hit the right one sooner or later yeah it could be any day yeah yeah yeah yeah You're a Juice World fan?

Yeah, yeah, I'm a Juke's world fan. That's another. See, when you said the Mount, the Mount, he was going to be on that, too. That's a fact. Yeah, for sure. Jusraud, definitely Chicago Legend. Nah, that's crazy.

Man, I really wish that we got to see what he was like at 30 or 40. Like, he would have, because he really, like, thinking about it, Young Thug called him the greatest freestyleer of all time. I'm with it. Like, I think he's probably, like, one of the greatest freestlers I ever seen in my life.

a superpower that I never seen anybody else have in real life. And I've been around a lot of talented musicians, but I've never seen it like that. Yeah, he's raw. Folks was raw. He's beyond, bro. I ain't. I fucking do a hard. Mess around in the studio.

If I would have got to met him, I fuck, I'd be on his ass about doing a song. He was hell of passion. He probably would have just offered to do it right away. I've seen him pull people in the studio. I definitely know some Chicago. Yeah, he definitely would have fuck with a Chicago shit. The show. Damn, man.

He probably would have embraced a lot of Chicago talent by now. Yeah, yeah. All right. Any other shout-outs? Anybody we missed? Shit, shout-out to my manager. Shout out to my mama? The whole, everybody that help us and...

Yeah, shout out. Actually. I'm forgetting about that. Who's the greatest Chicago content creators that you fuck with? People that you're down to watch on YouTube. By YouTube? Or Instagram, TikTok, whatever you want. Shit.

Got a shout out our content creators. Let me see. Like YouTube's type of shit like that Anything could be an interviewer Could be a comedian could be a I got one of each then I got one of each then Okay

Um interviewer DJU Okay 16 Falked him to Comedians We got What's his name

The Uncle Hank nigga I fuck with him His shit The Uncle Hank nigga Nigger Rio One of the guys Rio

Yeah Who else you doing the funny shit I'm trying to think Corporate Skin bone Skimball. Yeah, I fuck a corporate. I'm gonna one of corporate videos.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Um, did. Like, just YouTubers type shit? Sure. My boy, Q is Shiammey Q. I fuck with his shit. Okay.

Him. Um, Frosty 2X. Frosty, I fuck with Frosty. Yeah, the 20 versus one. Yep. Uh, yeah, I definitely get on. AJ. Like, yeah, I fuck with AJ too, for sure.

All right. I like it. I appreciate you coming on, man. Appreciate y'all for having me. big things to come they're gonna be looking at this interview like oh this was a glimpse into the soul of a star to be yeah yeah that's how you're going up sure let's go i like it thank you rima appreciate you yeah much love no jumper coolest podcast in the world check us out on youtube ticot patreon instagram like comment and subscribe nojumper.com if you want to support