No Jumper - Nessly on Surviving Soundcloud Rap, The Early Days of Carti, Yachty, Yeat

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

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No Jumber, coolest podcasts on the world. And today we're having a conversation that we probably should have had a long time ago, but I'm glad that we've brought ourselves together today. Nestle. Yeah, Adam, come on, bro. What took so long? I don't know. It's like we're a whole thing.

That's crazy. Like right now compared to like 2016 or 2017, it does feel like not even like the same planet. Yeah, since I'm pushing 30, I can't really press you too much for you and follow me too, bro. Did I? Yes, bro. Shut the fuck up. Come on, bro.

I don't unfollow anybody unless they unfollow me. Let's get into this. On Instagram? On Twitter? On Twitter? Bone the pig with you. Bro, I'm probably the nicest guy in the rap game.

I'm not even trying to push that agenda. Unfalling necessarily is crazy. I feel like, damn, why? They're going to take me out for even saying that. I am not following you. See? See, I probably did. I probably unfollow you.

I was probably mad. Damn. You probably did it. So you probably just don't remember unfalling me. See, you probably just don't remember unfollowing me. Bro, I got love for you, bro. I'm here now. Yeah, no, it's all good.

This is a 2015 thing, but. I've unfollowed and, like, refollowed a lot of people, like, over the years where you kind of like, you don't see each other for a few years. All of a sudden, you get back, you follow each other again. It's a little reunion. You don't talk about the unfollow. It's all over. We're here, though. We're here, though.

Have you ever met? Once, actually. Yeah, where we did? Ugly God show. Oh, nice. You actually put something. I don't know. I threw money in the crowd and just like, I don't know.

Oh, I posted on the Grambers on it? Yeah. There's some crazy shit. Wow. I was just feeling young and bored. Yeah. I wouldn't do no shit like that now. Throwing money out of underground rap show is pretty tight.

It's kind of... It's a good look. Cringy. I mean... Yeah, it does feel weird doing it anywhere besides a strip club from my perspective. Like, there's not 16-year-olds in the crowd. Why am I throwing ones, bro? That's got to be a bad look.

Making it rain on a bunch of ugly God fans. It's funny. It's like the wrong demographic for this shit. And that's crazy. Because they legitimately want the money. We need these ones. Yeah, yeah. People pushing each other out the way.

You know, watch out. Had to be $50, though. Holy shit. That's funny. Okay, guys, I'm asking for a quick favor on this episode. If you could follow Adam 22, bro, on Snapchat, that would be amazing. We're posting tons of behind the scenes footage of these interviews before they come out, as well as behind the scenes, antics from my day-to-day life.

Follow Adam 22, bro, or take a picture of this QR code and make sure you follow me on Snap. Appreciate y'all. Before we even, like, get into the whole backstory and everything, why are you doing interviews right now? because I noticed you haven't like released music in a minute on YouTube and everything. Like where are you at in terms of the future? Yeah. So right now we're working on Wildflower 2. Wildflower 1 was like my most successful project to today.

And then I don't know. I felt like this was like a special occasion interview. This wasn't like, you know, a run of the mill just random. I thought this platform makes the most sense. Like this is like SoundCloud history. Like, you know, but it's elevated to so much more than that. but bro, I felt like since it was overdue, I felt like this is like a full circle kind of thing

before driving a new project. But yeah, we got Wildflower 2, Yacht, Yacht, Yacht, 07 Oshake, PNB rock, rumor, I don't know if you guys know about rumor. Rumor's super dope.

I don't remember rumor. You remember the guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Super fire, bro, like outside of that shit. I don't want people to be like, oh, he had that one song, bro. Bro, is so talented.

So I really hope I'm able to show that on my shit, too. I used to have a bunch of people would tell me that I know who it is but they wouldn't tell me who it is? He showed his face finally. Oh, he did? He has like dreadlocks and, yeah, he's chubby. I f***ing him.

Is he like an industry guy? Wasn't he like an R or something? I forget. I don't know. I might be making that up, but I remember something like saying. But he's a solid dude. I fuck with him. Nice.

Super nice guy. Yeah. Remember clever? Yo, I do. Yeah, what happened to that guy? That was a white guy. He was talented too, though. The only reason why I'm thinking of him is because I was watching a yellow wolf

clip on Vlad and he started mentioning that he beefed with clever. I thought they were cool or something. No, he was signed to Juice World shit. Like at one point he was signed to grade A or whatever and then, I don't know. He like imploded or something. Me and him were beefing over something. Did you see the track list

how they were like, oh, it says like a secret message on the back? Of which album? Of the clever album, bro. Look at the shit. But what is it says? I don't know. I don't know. It's like Juice World's Alive or some shit. I don't know. Like each first letter of the track list says some shit, bro. If it was Juice Worlds alive, that...

It was some weird shit. Whatever it was right. That's worse than Asian doll talking to King Vaughan from beyond the grave. Yeah, that is kind of weird. Okay, I won't lie. I called Juice World's phone one time after he passed, and it was kind of creepy because he was like... His voicemost was like, hello?

Hello? Like, one of those things. I was like, what the... I don't know. And y'all know ass pizza, right? Yeah. He was telling me that he got a call from X his phone after he died. And I was like, what the...

I mean, what does happen to your phone after you do? I don't know. be thinking about that shit, bro. It's kind of creepy. And also, I get creeped out by the the number you try calling. That shit's just creepy to me. I don't know why.

But then also, like now people can spoof phone numbers. Yeah, and call you. You could get a call from a number of someone that you have saved. I didn't think about that. Yeah, because I got a call from Kanye's number. And I asked his press secretary or whatever, Milo. I asked him like, yo, is this Kanye? Because then he sent a text afterwards,

and it looked like exactly what you're trying to text. And I asked him, like, this is his number? And he goes, yeah. And then I talked to his manager. And he, like, I guess, asked, Gagia, it was like, nah. So I'm guessing it was, like, hacked. That's actually crazy.

You can spook my messages, too. Or Kanye decided he wanted to holler at me, and then immediately decided he did not want to holler at me, which I also could totally see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, wishy-wholesome-making. It's crazy, right? You guys, don't fuck with you.

Yeah, yeah. So Wildflower Part 2 is coming out, right? Yeah, yeah. And when in the first one dropped? 20-17, 18. It was my first release with Universal. kind of went my own way after that. It's funny because a lot of people would be like,

oh, like, the label didn't drive me, the label didn't drop me. And it's so funny because I'm like, there is a difference, though. Like, I literally begged to get out of my contract because I was having like these mental episodes, bro. Like panic attacks. I just smoke too much bad weed, bro.

Really? Yeah, bro. Like, I would look at my hand and be like, this is me, bro. What the fuck? Like, panic attacks, bro. I was scared. I started taking Lexa Pro.

All right, we got to go in order. Let's go from the very beginning. So what was your upbringing like? Upbringing, super simple. You know, a lot of people just say Atlanta and like categorize it as like Atlanta, but I like to be really specific. Yeah, I got my feet wet in Atlanta a lot,

but like, you know, you got like 20 minutes east, what we call the East Side, it's not like East Atlanta. And people in Atlanta know what we're talking about, like East Side, like Stone Mountain, Latonia, Decatur. These areas, that's kind of where I grew up. Live with my mom. Pops was, living, he lived not too far, but I didn't really see him too much.

Still, but he didn't see him, like, very often. And, I don't know, super simple, like, suburban type shit, bro. Like, nothing crazy, but where I'm from is, like, where all the hood of things come for a second chance. So, like, even me, I'm, like, probably the most proper talking person over there or, like, the most, like, the least on some bullshit type shit. So all my friends still on bullshit, I'm not going to lie growing up. Like, I'm not on that, you know, had my hand in, like,

you know, scamming or I tried selling some shit here and there, but I was like, nah, this shit not for me, bro. I wasn't supposed to do this. Yeah, but like I'm still to this day. Those are my boys, but I'm like the clean cut one, I guess you say. But what music were you, were you looking at that even brought you into the music thing? Like you were creative from a young age? Yeah, yeah, I used to draw a whole lot. And then I, when I started listening to rap specifically, you know, it was mind-blowing because my mom, she's from Belize, you know, the country of Belize, it's like near Mexico, but it's like literally just black people that are like speaking Spanish.

It's crazy. But she didn't really play a lot of rap music because she's older. And when I started hanging out with my friends from, you know, Atlanta, Decatur, all these areas, like all I could listen to was rap, like on the radio or school dances. So I'm discovering all this shit and all these sounds. And I'm like, yo, this is dope. So like I say around like 2006, 2007, I started rapping. Like since MySpace, I had a MySpace music profile.

Soldier Boy was just coming up in this time. So I had no direction as far as like style. Like what makes me, me. Like everything was like copycat emulation. Like I was just fucking around. Like I could never do some shit like this and really say, oh, I love music. Like it was definitely more of a like, let me just copy what I see. Right.

Now I'm saying? And I feel like a lot of people start that way. But like I was- It has to be that early on. It has to be like you're just a fan of music. and you're kind of almost like imitating it like honestly I think about that sometimes like if my kid wanted to make music I would be like yeah we're gonna like get a home studio we're gonna make music yeah but no we ain't putting any of that shit out because you don't know who the

you are until you're like at least like 14 15 is when you could kind of maybe be like viewed as like a real artist because before that you're just in the sandbox you don't you don't really have experiences to rap about what the you're talking about like you're going to Chili's for your I don't know fifth grade graduation Like what the fuck You're gonna rap with that

Like yeah It doesn't make sense So I was in that position I'm talking about Getting bitches and blah blah I'm like I mean I don't even know

I feel like yet Like what the fuck am I talking about My heart ain't been broken Like I never even had a girlfriend yet Like I'm talking about this shit At 12, 13 years old Like you know What the fuck?

No one wants to hear that shit So I unfortunately put it all out Um Under many different names Including Nestly Like it was always something Ness Young Ness

Like whatever something Ness and then eventually like I don't know I took a step back tried to become like a lyrical miracle rapper I'm just ass then I was like shit bro like let me just take little bits and pieces of what I like and that really became you know what I do I say how did you get the name Nestle anyway um I'm sorry I remember that you know the you super smash bros there's a kid named Ness on there is that yeah yeah my first time ever rapping like in a studio, like, one of the guys in there was like, you look like Ness. I was like, oh, young Ness.

Like, young Ness, I was 12 years old. I just interviewed E. Ness from making the band. Oh, gosh. So that's kind of... Yo, whenever I used to look my name up, I would see him. Yeah. And I'd be like, oh, shit. And I'd be like, oh, shit. That's cool.

But, okay, so what was the music that was like mostly, like, when you, or when did you start to get some traction musically? it uh probably around like 2015 2016 you know all the sound cloud shit the thing it was i was kind of being formulated like okay i see like shit i could just be turned i'm young like shit like let me do everything else all the young my like 19 20 like you know we we're just we're sweaty as hell we're in supreme like and thrasher and shit like we're not really like we're not trying to be boozy we don't care about the mix none of that shit like you know like x all that like you know, that wasn't necessarily what I was listening to or on,

but like the culture is like all, that's the culture we're all a part of at that time. So I would tap into that. And then like, you know, even within those same like time periods, I'd be trying to do like some left field shit too just to show people I could do everything. But I had a few songs,

like you named one of them, Thirsty Ho, which it doesn't really define me like, like my style, but like it's what worked. So I didn't want to take like the, I don't want to take like the O.G. Mckel, but I didn't want to take his. route and be like you know how he kind of came out bitch you guess it then was all like shit that has sounded nothing like it his influence was crazy yeah but he's the bet i remember listening to like a

bunch of ogy maco mixtapes after that and none of them really had none of it was like that and i damn see grind super hard he makes mad music but what i'm really trying to get at is like bro you can't confuse people like that you know but you know it's funny is that so many artists have come out with some like aggressive yelling into the mic type shit and then they always want to kind of like backpedal away from it always x did that you know it's did you know it's did you know it's that. Yeah. And it worked out amazing for him.

Yeah, he did it great. Not to even, like, throw him unnecessarily into this conversation, but that was kind of how I felt with Xavier Wolf because he was kind of like the dude that I came into the rap game with. He was like my first rapper friend. Right. And his shit that was popping was him like mad as fuck. But he didn't really want to do that.

Like he put all this like spaced out shit. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because I think like the, the whole aggression rap shit is like seen as like a cop out, bro. Yeah. Because like just head banger music. It's easy as fucking to make. You don't got to have.

And again, it's no offense to nobody. because I did it too, but it's like, you don't have to be super talented, you be like, hey, that shit hard though. Like, you know, bro, I get turned when I hear that shit, bro. I pull the windows down, man. So I want them to see me turn. Like, at that age, like, I'm getting older now.

Man, no bitch looking my way playing. No, you know what I'm saying? Like, shit, look, boy, you're pushing 30. Because, I mean, making a whole album of, like, just yelling at the listener type of shit is, like, not something that people really do in rap. They always try to round it out with some other shit, which is different than the,

like metal and hardcore and punk and shit where they're just like yelling at you the whole time yeah yeah yeah there's not like a soft song on most metal or punk albums see so the truth is like i tried like everything that i liked on sound cloud if it didn't perform well i deleted it if it performed well i kept it anything that i kept i just repeated that formula and then i would see the the plays increase increase i'm getting 100k plays first week now i'm getting 200k for uh first week now i'm getting half a million first week i'm like oh shit shit's working Let me just keep doing this. And then I was slowly just slip in, like, hints of, like, what the swag I really want to do is.

And then eventually I was like, shit, man, shit works. Like, fuck it. Like, let's just put out some original shit now. Like, now that we've teased people with what I could do. Who was, like, coming up out of Atlanta at the time that you came up? Like, Yadi? Yeah, Yaddi. Because you still have this relationship with Yadir.

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's actually on my new album, too. Right, yeah. Yeah. So Yadi and I used to do mad shit together. Like, we would be together, like, every. every day.

You were scamming together? Scamming. Shut up. Sleeping on couches. Bro, one time I got so mad. I'm like, bro, bro, PayPal blowing me up, bro. We got to do something.

He's like, bro, fuck it. I'll just get you a lawyer. I'm like, bitch, I didn't want to just get a lawyer. It's just so funny. Yeah, because I was like, I was freaking out because I didn't, I ain't want to get in trouble.

I ain't going to lie. You know what I'm saying? But the money was good and then while it was coming in at that time. You know, do we just want postmates? We want flights. You know, it's like a real like basic necessity kind of scamming, at least for my portion of things,

I can't really speak to his because I don't know what he did outside of just me and him doing shit. But yeah, we would like go scam, go eat, record music. I've made a few beats for Yadi back then. I would record him a lot. When I got tired of recording him, I passed a job off to one of my friends about, bro, can you record him because this motherfucker can keep going? It's funny how Yaddi always wanted to hide his scamming past, whereas then now you have

like Punch Made Dev where that's like his whole thing. That's a thousand million percent, bro. He's like T.J. times a billion. Yeah, yeah. Is it even real? Like, I can't tell. Honestly, it's super hard to tell.

But the funny thing with Punch Made Dev, too, is how he's just, like, really telling you what a bad person he is. Yeah, yeah. He's going to tell you, like, he probably got a lyric that's like, I'm going to push a toddler off a bridge. He does say shit like that. It's all shock value type too. He's all saying some shit about, like, selling some fake perks to a girl, and then she died.

Bro, that's just, like, reveling in it. Okay, I couldn't do that one, bro. It's crazy. He's got, like, names. of like chicks that have allegedly died from the drugs that he gave them. He'll like bring up in the songs and shit. It's some warped shit. See, I can't, I can't fight with that.

Yeah, he's well enough. I've like driven like from here to my spot, like 25 minutes of nonstop punchman Dev and it puts you in a dark place. I'm surprised you can get an accident. That's surprising. For sure. I was driving poorly for sure. Yeah, bro was swerving like, oh shit?

Yeah. Boy, was Yadi the first dude that you really saw blow up that you like saw go from nothing to something? Um, Cardi came up first, right? Mm. So Cardi and I,

we have a long history actually funny enough. I just don't post it. You know, it's funny? I have a lot of relations with a lot of big people, but I just never talk about it

because I'm going to do my own thing. So this is probably the first time I'll say certain things. But like, yeah, Cardi and I, man, I've known him since I was like, let's see, maybe 14.

I'd say around 14. Bro, he used to go to the same, like, little park and, like, smoke together, all type of shit. Like, you know, short haircut,

Cardi and, I mean, shit. He always had a little swag to him. He always rap. I was the first feature on his first project. I was telling you earlier, too. The Sir Cartier project. My shit was assed. You could see literally where I was trying to figure myself out.

My voice, I was trying to be something I wasn't, bro. For sure. I mean, I was 14, bro. You don't know what the fuck you're doing at 14, for real. Maybe these days, everybody got TikTok and Instagram. They're like replicating shit, and they're like, okay, I want to be exactly this. But I didn't have that. I was on MySpace and shit. You know? Shit was way different, bro.

It's weird even for me to think about how Cardi was like a normal person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, a lot of us were, like, kind of around them and shit. Some crazy pictures of us as kids and shit, like I have on my phone. I don't even be posting this shit, like, but it's crazy. It's, um, it's really wild. I didn't, I didn't know, like, Uno.

I knew Fonnie, you know, I knew, like, him, too, back, even back then. We used to all go to this place called Little Five Points. It was like the hipster area, like, where gangsters and fucking, you know, like, all the street dudes, but, like, the hipsters all meet up. It was like the, it was like fucking Melrose. Kind of. It's Moreland, right? Yeah, Morland Avenue.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can pick up some shoes or you can go buy some shit to roll up in. Like, same shit, bro. Like... They had the skate store that sold all the thrash of shit right there. Wish. And then, yeah, what's my skateboard shit called? Oh, I forget, but I used to go in and get some thrash and shit.

Yeah, Carty used to be up there. They used to have an 808 mafia house up there too where Chris Fresh used to be. You know Chris? No? So Chris Fresh is like, he's like, I don't know how to explain them. Because I honestly didn't have a huge relationship with him. But, like, he was tapped in. the Aidaway Mafia and they had like a little crib where all them would like record at and

Cardi would be up there all the time. We made a song. It was called Club Pink. I don't even know what the f*** was about for real. I ain't going to lie. Cardi just sent it to me and I was like okay cool. And then you know fast forward seeing him go crazy. Um so you know shout out of Cardi. One of my close friends, KP, he just signed to him as I was telling you. Shout out of KP. Were you trying to be like an awful record signing at one point? Me? Yeah. I wouldn't say that. It's so interesting, bro. Because that was like the cool underground Atlanta shit

circa like 2015. Yeah, yeah. I feel like there was a point in time where I felt like a lot of those guys like in Atlanta and I'm not even speaking specifically about them, but I felt like they would sleep on everybody else that was younger to them. And they didn't really want to let nobody else in.

Atlanta is not as helpful with shit as people say. People always want to say that shit. It's so corny. Now there's like gang wars in Atlanta, so at least people can see that that's not necessarily the case. Everybody always says, oh, all the Atlanta rappers get along. They all get along great. And then like now with the YSL Rico and all that type of shit, you'd be like, okay. Everybody is turning against each other.

Not really, yeah. Bro, it's never been like that ever, ever. And I've been grinding from Atlanta. Like, I was the young dude. I was 12 making music. Like, you know, I knew thug. I knew a lot of people, but I don't know if you'll know their names. There's like Kwani Cash.

That's another Atlanta guy. So shout out the Kwani. There's a, bro, there are so many little groups and shit that like, if you had Thug in here Future, bro, they know who they are, bro. Like, they're really popular on some, like, literally just local shit.

But, like, if you like Future, if you like Thug, that music from that era, they all sound the same. Like, the other guys, they just didn't blow up. That's the crazy thing. You know what I'm saying? I even took a stab at that type of music. But, like, that we call that futuristic. It's so funny. Like, that was the genre.

Like, how you have, like, clout rap and all this shit, like headbanger rap. Like there was one called Futuristic, bro. It was all produced by London on the track, who everybody knows is famous now and doing his thing. But like, bro, this was way back. Like, motherfuckers were selling $50 beats. Bro, I'm friends with Weezy on fucking Facebook

because, like, motherfuckers was doing this shit for so long. Like, we ain't using no fucking Facebook now, but I'm just saying, like, it's just crazy. Like, how this shit changed and became, like, international. Like, when I see Future or Thug, I'm like, damn, bro, like, I remember you getting 200 plays and just posting it on Facebook. I definitely went with Justo Dub to sell some lean to Weezy before Weezy was like a big deal.

Yeah, Weezy definitely be looking for the lean. Donnie knows. He was around. For sure. Yeah, no, he was already doing his thing, but he wasn't like as well-known as he is now. Yeah, no, he's turned now. Yeah, for sure. So what was like the first song on SoundCloud that like took off to kind of get you like some more recognition?

My first song to crack a million was Thirsty Ho. So I had already had like, you know, songs with like half a minute. million, 600,000, whatever you call it, you know. Like, these numbers were big for, like, 2015, because that's, like, the equivalent of, like, 5 million now. Like, in terms of, like, audience goes. And I reached out a 16-year-old, because I seen he did all these remixes, and I was like, word, this shit's hard.

Like, 40-ounce van. People like that were showing him love, people I was familiar with, especially, like, being into fashion and shit. Like, they were more like that world, and I was trying to bring it together because it wasn't, like, super, super cool. I was not like A-Sat Rocky to fuck with fashion yet. I was fucking with it, especially as a fat nigga. I was like, bro, I might be the first one to really put this shit

and make it make sense. So, yeah, I hit him up and he was like, oh, I already know who you are. I was like, bro, how? Because I wasn't really going stupid like that. But I was like, how? He was like, oh, just on some literal, like, random internet friend of his knew who I was when I told you I started rapping when I was like 12 or 13. My fucker introduced him to my music back then.

So he was like, oh, I already know who you are. Let's work. So I was the first person to rap on a 16-year-old beat, and he was the first one, I guess, yeah, that's how you could put it. I was the first one to rap on a 16-year-old beat. So he dropped it from his shit, and he was doing stupid numbers. Motherfucker got a million plays. A million plays, like, first, I don't know, maybe first month at that time.

And we dropped the video on Pornhub, you know, just trying to get created. I remember that. I remember that. Yeah, yeah. This was before everybody thought of it as some, like, unique shit to do. I'd only seen one person do it. I think it was Zach from FTP. I think he did like, you remember that shit?

I remember a few people going viral for like uploading shit to porn hub back in the day. That shit was a method. That shit's over now. It's cooked because no one's trying to do that. But it's just like, it was fired because it gave some shit for people to talk about. So it was like, yeah, let's put it on porn hub. Why not? I didn't care about the views or nothing.

The views still went retarded. But it's just like I didn't really expect it to. I'm like, shit. Forbhub, cool. That's crazy. Yeah. I was just trying to fucking Google if I interviewed that person. producer, 16-year-old, because it sounds familiar, but I fucking...

16-year-old, yeah. I feel like I did, and he made me delete it, but then I just looked him up, and now I don't know. You were the first person I've seen, like, working with 16-year-old. Yeah, yeah. I was the first one as far as, like, rapping on it, but he would, like, you know, remix, like, stunning, like, my daddy, you know, Lil Wayne Birdman, shit like that. And I just fuck with bro's beats. I ain't going to lie.

I just fuck with the beats. It was simple as that, you know, and I'm not going to lie. I ain't really speak to him much. Bro, would hate me for some reason. Oh, or I thought y'all, I don't know. I just figured I had, like, I don't know. I just assumed niggas hate me if they just stopped talking after, like, we have a friendship. Like, where'd you go, bro?

Like, what the fuck? Was this after he did the Shek West, Movedanble and shit? Yeah, I think bro had a problem with day trip, to be honest. And I feel like, I feel like it was like some ego shit, bro. And I'm like, bro, why am I in the middle of y'all ego shit, bro? Like, I don't care. If it's just ego-based, like, you know, I don't give a fuck, bro. Like, you're mad because they're doing good or vice for it.

I don't know, bro. That shit is lame to me. I ain't never hate on none of my friends are going up. I'm not saying, fuck, Yadi. Don't clip it like that. But I'm not saying that. Don't clip me.

Fucking, so, Thirsty Ho came out before Whippa Sillardt? Which one came to trial first? Damn, that's a good question. They probably came out around the same time, but Tilly Hurd was just all me doing my thing. Like, you know, I made the beat. I did all that shit.

So it probably didn't have the same impact. Oh, that's crazy because I always thought Burberry Perry made that. beat since he was on the video. I made that beat. So y'all was just friends at the time. We were just friends. So here's the whole backstory with the Perry thing. I meet Perry at college, like at school type shit.

And I was, I seen him making beats. I was like, bro, I'll trade you. This is so funny. It's some real broke-ass shit to do. But I'm like, yo, I'll trade you like lessons on FL Studio for rides home from school. And we did it, bro. And I used to tell him like, bro, this shit sounds like ass. Let's do this. Let's fix this.

and then I didn't really want his beats yet I've had this conversation with him It's very harsh It's very real But like and I think he even has been upset over it sometimes But like I think he's good now But like I was like bro These beats aren't for me

So I introduced him to Yadi And Yadi was into the whole bubble gum Sound and shit I'm like shit you guys will work good together So I told Yadi pull up They met And I had a studio in my mom's crib And shit Yadi would come through and record

And Perry was living with me at the time He wouldn't live in his car I don't know why he tell that story. I'm calling you out. He's not living his fucking car, bro. He's living with you. Ten years later, y'all see that. I love him, but.

Damn, you think he's homeless for clout, like A-O-K-D? Maybe my brother. Maybe my brother, my question. I don't know. Now, I've known people throughout my life who were, like, talking about being homeless, like, as a way to make that life sound real difficult, and then you realize later they were, like, sleeping on their friend's couch. He was staying at my spot.

Not saying that's right. And I think maybe by choice, occasionally would choose to stay in the car. You know, I think it was more like that But 99% of the time He went to the same school You stay in my crib We go to school together, bro Like

If you're not being woken up by the sun You're not homeless Yeah, bro It's cat Bro, you got my I don't know Whatever type of blondes I had right there

It was protecting our eyes From UV rays In the morning, bro We were good But yeah Yeah so I introduced I introduced them And then funny enough

He sent me the beat For one night It wasn't for me I didn't like it And we sent it to the Yadi and boom, one night. So that was cool. How did y'all relationship change after that? Like, because he started fucking with Yadi.

It seemed like a little more. It kind of left you behind. That's interesting, bro. Because I used to feel like that, bro. I used to be like, damn. Like, I have questioned shit like, damn. Like, well, I'm not involved with this. But, like, you know, I was so focused on doing what I was doing

that it never really like, it was never like a thing where I was like, oh, like, I should be upset with him. So I've never, like, had any, like, animosity. It just been like, huh. Okay, whatever. But it made more sense to me, too, because realistically, I'm like, um, Perry has more to provide Yadi, bro. He's a producer for him.

You know, he makes music too, but realistically, Perry's providing to Yadi's career, whereas me, I'm just another artist, you know, and at that point, he wasn't so focused on the sailing team yet. That came together, you know, the sailing team and then now, like, concrete boys, like shit like that. So I was always just like, I respect what he does for him, and I don't question it because I'm not entitled to it, you feel me? It's very interesting to see.

him do the concrete boys thing because he like it's like the sailing team like like re-to because actually like it more though he came out the gate with the sailing team thing and like basically it felt like they were all fucking random as hell no offense but like some of them maybe had a little bit of talent but it felt like he just kind of picked out a bunch of homies and like they did like a little bit of promo and stuff and then it felt like he just like saw that it wasn't going to work like super fast you're talking about the sailing team shit right yeah yeah but then with this shit it feels like He's actually, like, very, very invested and, like, handpicked to everyone. And, like, he's, he's taking it very serious now, which is...

Everybody now has, like, their key points that makes them special. Right. Where I feel like, with Sailing Team, a lot of those motherfuckers are talented, but it's like, they don't really make sense together. Like, I don't even, I don't see how they, like, meshed. You know what I'm saying? There was a guy named Big Bubba Chubba. Oh, I remember him.

You just Google this? No, I just remember that. I remember him. That's one of the only names I remember. Yeah. so I can't speak to it, but... Big Bubba Chubba. Yo, I remember...

Was it Bubba or brother? I don't know. Yeah, I know you're talking about. He had a little twist. Like, the OB... What's his name? The fucking O. There was a girl, too.

There was a girl. I forget her name. Cody Shane. Yeah, yeah. She had her own little motion too, though. Yeah, she was probably the only one, I think, who had, like, separate. Yeah, because she had songs like Uzi and, like, trippy, shit like that.

But Cariboo going up. She's killing her. She's D.C.D. Star of that whole thing. Yeah, but Caribu going stupid, bro. She's going stupid, bro. She's going so stupid, bro. I actually recorded her first song, too.

Really? Yeah, just thought about that. And then my fucking equipment got stolen like two days later. But yeah, yeah, like, I don't know. She always says it. She'd be like, oh, I still remember you recording my first time? Where you recorded? Like two years ago.

That's crazy. I'm not even doing. Or like, how old? No, three years ago. No, I brought my equipment to, like, her apartment. Yeah. Just to fuck around, like, on some board shit. I don't know.

It was definitely, like, burnt for, like, where I was, like, as far as, like, just bringing my equipment places. But I don't know. I was just feeling like doing some random shit, you know. And she made a song on a, what's the name of those producers? Bankroll got it. Is that the name of producer? Bankroll got it.

I think that's that. Yeah. Yeah, she did a song on that beat. They're just crazy. I don't have the song. I wish I did. Yeah. You used to have like a whole bunch of videos of like because now that you said

that you used to bring your equipment like everywhere and record. The airport and a random airport. Yeah. I seen a video you were recording the airport that went viral. Okay. So what's funny about that is it was never meant to. to be for cloud. Funny thing, a lot of my, like, big moments,

like, anything where I tried to do something for club, that shit didn't work. Anything I wasn't trying to do? Yeah. Yeah, like, it worked. Like, I was just doing a feature for somebody and they needed proof that I was doing it to get paid. So I recorded me doing the feature in the airport.

I was like, oh, this is kind of a cool video. Let me upload it. Boom, like 200,000 views on Twitter. Another 200 on Instagram. Like, oh, yeah, this needs to be a series. Fuck it. Now everybody kind of records in public now. I see it a lot.

But back then, no one was really doing it. Yeah, back then that was, like crazy and then like you have was you was making beats on like Nintendo DS or something yeah I made beats on a Nintendo DS I did one on a PSP um and that's crazy because I'm not going lot it's not that far fetch for 2024 in like 2019 2020 like no one was doing this shit because it was like how like people would just question shit yeah the shock value from the videos was like what the fuck yeah that's why I made a joke I was like I'm gonna make I'm gonna make my whole album using a fucking switch because I mean I really know how to if I really have to like

I mean, it would be ass, but you could do it. It's, it's, it's, these things are so powerful, like phones, all this shit. You do so much now, bro. BandLab, all these kids using band lab and shit. Another video I always wanted to ask you about it was like Jake Paul was like in a hospital bed or some shit. And you had like the auto tune. Like, what the fuck was that? He had, he had something on his arm.

And then you had like the Autortoon arm. He was like, I'm the first rapper to use auto tune. You remember this? You remember the video? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because a bunch of people did the shit with the robot thing. I took my shit. I were the first people

I've ever seen to do that. I was like, what the fuck is this? I've seen this video like some like random ass account and a butterfly came out of the dude's arm.

You seen that one? Yeah. I seen that and I was like, oh, this is hard. So like I hit up, no, I put it on my story as like anybody who does like,

you know, 3D, CGI work, shit like that. I'm just always intrigued with shit like that. Like I love, I don't know,

I just like the art of things. Like some things, a lot of things that do are passion projects that turn into like, okay, how can we monetize this? But like, it's a passion project.

So that way I'm, I really care about it. And it comes out good. So, you know, I was trying to see who could do, you know, some 3D work. And this guy hits me up. His name is Nichols. Shouted to him because he's super amazing. He's super talented. But like, yeah, he responded.

He's like, I can do this. It'll take me like a month or two. I was like, all right, what do I need to do? He was like, just put like some tape on your arm. And the graphics will like follow it. Like it'll track it. Like it was a green screen on my arm. And so we did it.

and I put it up on Facebook on some random shit just for like friends and family. I just wanted it to be seen because I thought it was cool. And I thought my shit was private, but somebody shared. I went to sleep, but somebody shared it.

I woke up to a one million views, like literally within like three hours. Like I took a nap. Woke up. I was like, I got to post this. Because I was like, how is it going this stupid?

Bro, this is crazy. I posted it on my Instagram. I instantly gained like 10,000 followers within like, I don't know, like an hour. So I went private just to see, Like how many people would try to request? It was like 100,000 literally.

I have a video. I had to buy like an app that lets you like auto accept them. So I screen recorded it and it was counting how many followers. I lost so many of those followers though because it's like people were just interested in that. And that's not what I wanted to be big for again. But it was crazy, bro. But Jake Paul DM me, he was like, is this shit real? I was like, no.

Bro. You can't everyone confuse back then. I'm like, what the fuck is this? I do remember it looking so. accurate that I was like genuinely confused. Me too. What could that be? You know you're,

you be around so much cloud shit. I know you're not a robot, but I still just like was confused at how the fuck it looked like that. At that time too, it was so early on. I even, I was like,

what the fuck was this? Yeah, yeah. There was a point in time where I considered getting like, um, like having a jeweler like make a plate that could sit on there.

Just because I was like, do I capitalize off this? Like, what do I thought it was, I thought it was more lame than anything. I'm not going to lie. Because I didn't want to like, like stick to it like it was just some fun shit bro but then i was like damn i'm not making nothing

off of this like i have to capitalize from this somehow and that shit ended up backfiring i'm not gonna hold you because too many people were following me for that just for that and people already knew my music and it's doing decent so like now people are distracted by that and it's like it's like this bro if if you post a picture like as a new account or something and like five people say it's lame i'm not gonna lie no one's about the common fire after that like it's like it's done because now everything's lame or it's corin or it's corin you're or some shit. Like, it's done. Like, so, like, people were thinking I was, like, a meme or some shit.

And I'm like, bro, I'm a regular-ass person, bro. Damn, going viral is a fucking risk, you know? It is a risk. It's like, you don't want to necessarily, like, however you go viral, that kind of can so easily become your image early on. Especially if it's for something bad, like, as a rapper. Yeah. I mean, it's just, like, a huge risk.

I mean, that's the internet these days, I guess. Yeah. You know, I feel like you have to, like, fight to really, like, um, um, kind of like reshape the image that people have of you. Yeah. You know? And I don't know if that's what I'm doing or not.

I'm just kind of living, bro. I don't give a fuck for real. People are just so controlled by the headlines, though, that it's like, all right, let's say that like you got into a fist fight with, I'm trying to just like rummage through my brain and pick somebody random.

Let's say you got into a fist fight with Keglock. Me? I'm using this bad. Yo, it's going to be fucking hard for us to talk about you without people being like, oh yeah, the motherfucker who fought Kiglock. I've seen that. shit on every fucking...

You know? That's gonna help a little bit. Get some points. Man, I don't know. They might turn you into a pack, but... That's true. Yeah. Yeah, them boys, them boys not playing.

Don't go to Memphis. Yeah, my bad, my bad. I'm just saying that like you can... If you do something that makes so much noise, that, like, that shit is going to drown your music out of a certain point. That's a huge risk as a rapper. And honestly, that's what happened. That's just, this is the facts.

I don't care. Bro, so many rappers, like, fell off and shit. And they're just broke. So they're not... They don't have the attitude I have. bro. I'm not broke. I'm not going to lie. Just bought a new AP from the store. You've seen this shit on my Instagram. 10,000. I don't get my stuff from jewelers. I go straight to the fucking dealership. But, like, I understand that I'm probably like a fucking enigma in like SoundCloud rap because

number one, unfortunately, I mean, truth be tall, I feel smarter than a lot of niggas. I'm not going to lie. I feel like I pay attention more like and I saved more and I made good decisions financially more. So I'm not, I'm not tripping, bro. Anybody else at my level? Like three, 400,000 followers? I'm sorry, bro. I know somebody working at Walmart. I'm just going to keep it a buck. And I'm, thank you. That's not me. So I'm happy. And I feel like that's why, like, the attitude is so, like, negative to, like, falling off or, like, not. Because I'm not where I was, bro, I just don't, I just don't care. I would care if I was broke. Oh, I'd be hurt. But, okay, do you think, because, like, a lot of people from your era kind of, like,

came blew up, a few of them are still like big and then the majority of them sort of fell off but during that SoundCloud era it was like people were fucking with the sound but they were also fucking with the personalities and like you're saying like you're kind of smart like you're you get it whereas like a lot of the people

that like got boosted up is like the people were invested in the idea that these were these like toxic idiots who were just like totally out of control totally unhinged and it's like little pump like people stopped fucking with them once it became clear that he was like doing this act,

that he was gonna like keep putting out music about being a drug addict or whatever. Wait, what do you think is an act about it? I think bro was kind of slow a little bit. Well, at first, though, it was like, it was coming from a very,

very genuine place. And then I think people started to see it as formulaic very quickly. You know, and that's when they were kind of like, nah, fuck this shit. And they reacted like that. Same thing with Smoke Perp.

Like when it seemed like he was an unhinged sound cloud rapper, they were loving it. As soon as it started to feel like, oh, look at this dude trying to hold onto his career. Fuck him. We're on his ass. Yeah, I probably, look, bro, the way I look at it is,

I probably made one clout video, like, purposely in my life, like showing money, like, trying to be cool. Look at my Rolex. I said, damn, this shit feels so out of character, bro. Fuck this shit. I'm never doing it again. It's lame to me, bro. I just, I don't know what it is.

Like, I'd rather put on a cool outfit and you just think it's expensive versus, like, look at my money. Like, it just, that shit be blowing me, bro. Like, because that shit really do ends for the people who, like, focus only on that. Like, focus on making music better. focus on like making better videos

and connecting with your fans and you know but the whole like kind of shit on you yelling on you like six nine type shit like bro that's an era like shit's done bro and like if you were just focused on that then a lot of those guys again are like are not really here to say much

anymore you know I'm sure a lot of them still have money I'm sure Pump got money and shit but like you know I don't know a lot of the guys who were like almost there let's say like maybe not pump. But like, I can't think of any names on top of my head. I'm not really trying to start the pot like that either. You feel me? Because I'm a peaceful guy. But, um, give some tips. Like,

how are you able to maintain and keep so much money from back then? I've always been passionate other things outside of music. Music is my number one passion. But like, you know, I had times where I felt like, I was like, damn, I'm spending 30K in a month. And I wasn't really in a position to be spending 30K month. You know what I'm saying? Um, you know, Like between shows and features and and And honestly I think once I stop telling people I'll take your money for a feature Because I don't really do that shit anymore

But like once I stopped doing that I was like I gotta figure out something else to do So because I feel like that that burns you out too Like yeah no features I'm doing features I'm doing features I'm doing features I'm doing features bro shut the fuck up Like I'm not gonna lie It makes my favorite artist look so relatable And like a and like when I'm playing fan mode

And I'm not like trying to be Nestle And I'm just at home like watching shit like I'm like bro You're burning it out Yeah, it's weird because, like, you hope that the fans just won't even find out about it. Yeah. Like, dude, you remember, like, famous Dex? He had, like, an era where he would do a song with anybody. See?

You know? And it's, like, out of a certain point that shit. Riffraff. I thought riffraff was so dope. And then at one point, he was doing a song with every, yes, yes. But, like, his younger era, I thought he was so sick. And then he was just doing songs with anyone. Yeah, bro.

It was crazy. I mean, even famous decks, I feel like, could have been even bigger. You know what I mean? saying like not doing that type of shit keep it exclusive. Yeah, keep it exclusive bro. And there was a moment where I felt like I was doing that and I had to take a step back and I was like we put my money in something else. I would, bro, I go to Japan. I'd go buy like designer for way

cheaper. Come bring it back to America. This is a real like different like answer. Like maybe a lot of people watching this wouldn't expect or who would participate in something like this wouldn't say. But like I was, it was basically the drug dealing method, bro. I was buying Louis wallets for. 30 apiece selling them for 250 when I get back home. Instead of charging $700, like you pay at the store, get it from me.

I got the authentic receipt, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like shit like that, I was just being creative about it. I'm doing it on my close friends. You know, texting like my other celebrity friends. Like, oh, you're always looking for clothes. Just get it for me. Like, you always ask me about my clothes.

Like, people always ask me my clothes. So I'll be like, oh, yeah, I won't necessarily say where I get it from. I'll be like, I got you. And bro, started to be in 300K a year. You're 400K, you're extra. Yeah. Outside of rap, just doing that. And, like, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm him

because I'm not about to struggle off of, like, my song not going crazy. And I'm doing it, like, a way that I feel like I could tell my mom, put it that way. You know what I'm saying? Instead of, like, another way. So it's safe to say, Nancy's still for nesting. Oh, of course.

Yeah, right? Because I ain't telling nobody I'm paying $50 and they're selling it for $400. That's high shit. They're going to be like, let me get it for $60, bro. Like, nah. how you get your sense of fashion and shit like where did you I don't even want to hype myself up

like I'm the most unique fashionable person ever like I feel like that's another thing man man this is five years ago my answer been so different bro I've been too cocky here's a thing we all wearing the same shit bro we all kind of dressed the same in a way like hoodie hats

t-shirt guys there's only so much you can really do I'm not gonna hype this shit up bro I'm not like even on your wildflower album cover like you were wearing like a crazy like a red robe? The little buzz down sweater thing. Oh you're talking yeah yeah that's still finesse and I'm tripping with the red sweater with the flowers. Yeah. I actually made that

shit by hand. So like where did this come from? Um shit man that's just like that little kid imagination type shit you know I just I just like being hands on bro you know what I'm saying but as far as fashion goes right now I just really like Chrome Hearts bro

and I just don't want to wear the regular hoodies like everybody has like I got a Chrome Hearts bat bro like This shit was 10,000 dollars on it. Yeah, this shit was 10 ban. That shit's fucking heavy, too. 13. But yeah. Oh, my shit.

Here. It's heavy. Oh my God. It's real silver. Kill someone with ease with this. Hey, man. You never know who walks in a no-jumper and you just got to have that bad on you. It's almost like so heavy.

It's like, it would be kind of slow when you. Free advertisement for Chrome Hearts right here. Damn. We'll invoice them later. Yeah. For sure. We need that pack. Yeah, they're rich as fuck.

I never had a Chrome hearts item. I'll send you a t-shirts. That's what I should start with? Yeah, fuck with it. I went to my pro-art store one time with Fresh and fit and they had to pay $50 for me to get in the store. Wait, why? I don't know.

What's the fuck would you? No, that's not what they do in Miami. Yeah, that was the Adam 22 tax. No, you got to pay to like get in the store. No, they never happen to me. You sent appointments and shit, though, right? Isn't it like a appointment base? Oh, I didn't have an appointment.

They don't like him. Nah, dude. Fresh paid it. I was with Fresh. No, that's crazy. I was with Fresh at the Chromeheart store in Miami. $50 to go into a store, they finessed you, bro. I didn't even want to go in, but I didn't want to be rude and be like, yo, like,

I ain't, like, you don't have to pay for me to go to the store. I'm not going to buy anything. You just let it, let it go. It was like, I went in and looked around. I just didn't really know what to do. I was like, what the fuck is. Oh, man. Okay.

I'm going to try to answer this question now. Yeah. I like a lot of vintage. I'm a bigger dude, so, like, wearing clothes to begin with and, like, to be cool doing it is always a fucking difficulty because, bro, I'm gonna come clean. I ain't even look at a fat nigga and be like, bro, he fly as hell, bro.

Like, bro, we gotta get in the gym. Big part about being fashionable is being extremely skinny and looking like you're gonna die. It really is. It really is. Nobody would be saying that Cardi is a fashion icon if he weighed 50 pounds more. Exactly. You can't wear like these like freaky-ass mesh things and got a little man titty going on.

That shit is going to look like. You go like you need to be, I don't know what, red light district that shit. Y'all got out here, but it's going to look like that. Like, it's not going to look like no high fashion shit. That's why it looks cool when you do it. If, like, A. Sab Rock is, like, fashion icon. Yeah. If he gains 100 pounds, it's over.

It's over. He'd be swaggering suits and shit. Imagine he looked like an old southern pastor with the buttons popping open. Gucci suit. Bro. A. Side rag is going to look crazy, bro. Good luck finding shit, even in your size.

I have a hard time. I mean, shit, I'm wearing a Target fucking thing. I got the chrome beanie, you know, shit like that. But, like, it's just, like, little things I just enjoy. And I try to, I try to shop for myself. I mean, there's a lot of times where I see, like, a guy walking next to me. I can't lie. I think about outfits when I see him, you know, sounds a little sus.

Can't lie. But it's like, I'll see a dude, like Supreme T fucking, like, revenge shorts and vans. And I'm like, I know they feel like a million bucks. And I'm like, damn, I feel like I'm more fly than you, but we're all on the same shit at the end of the day. I don't really care. You know what I'm saying? But it's just like the feeling you get from putting on your favorite shit. if you care about that stuff.

Some people just put shit on it. Just be like, it's time for the day. But me, like, I feel like I want to feel like a certain energy from my fit. So as long as I feel it inside, whatever everybody else thinks, I don't really give a fuck. Like, if they think I'm fly cool, if they don't, they don't. But, like, I just want to feel fly on the inside. You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel about, like, fashion.

Question. What was your involvement with good music? Oh, wow. How do you all know that? We know everything. This is not art war. We have to know that. This is not art war.

Okay, so wow, that's actually crazy. I don't think I've ever been asked that on an interview, I think. But, okay, so you know who Stephen Victor is? Yeah. So Stephen Victor reached out to me before he had Victor Victor, and, you know, he had his, like, rollover at Good Music. I can't remember what he was like CEO. I don't remember what the fuck he was doing,

but it was back when Pusha T and him were both kind of running shit over a good music. And he sent me an email. funny enough, I was like, how did you get my email? But it said at Kanye West.com, and I was like, whoa, like, what the fuck? And he was like, yo, like Kanye was playing some of your music and he wants to meet with you. And this was actually probably right after like the Thursday-Hill type era. Like I didn't even have no mixtape out of nothing. He's like 2017, 2018?

Yeah, bro, I had like 5,000 followers on Instagram. I'm like, you guys are really locked in, huh? Like, you really find stuff. And he was. was like, yeah, it was like a Tuesday. He was like, keep flying on a Thursday. I just went ahead and about my own flight. I didn't even know, like, they have travel agents, like back then.

Like, I didn't realize these kind of things, you know. Just wait on it. It'll come through. Like, don't be impatient. But I got my flight. I sent them my flight confirmation. They were like, oh, we'll get you a hotel. They got me a hotel.

I went out there with my boy. And we go to the Universal building, I think. I don't know. Warner? I don't fucking know. We go to one of those buildings. Go up. Kanye's not there, unfortunately.

maybe it's for the best I don't know but I sit down with Stephen Victor playing the mixtape that's actually how I think he found out about cash money AP by the way who did like all the Popsmoke stuff because he was asking me so many questions about my project like who's this singer who's this producer cash money AP had done a few of them

on that project and at that point I don't know what all cash money AP did at that point so I'm not trying to take credit but like it's just intriguing that like after that cash money AP is like Victor Victor and blah blah Like so I was like what the fuck but um yeah so he was like yeah yeah he wants to sign you you know um let me link you with this lawyer i meet up with the lawyer bob celestine by celestine was actually ex's lawyers too um he might have been six nine's lawyer and ski maybe two i don't know

but i know i know he was ex's lawyer um so we do we do like a retainer i'm signed as his client you know I'm saying, all that cool shit. And then, shit, I'm trying to remember. Oh, bro, I got so many funny stories where you got actually, this one gets really funny. This is a really funny one. Okay, so I signed the contract

with the fucking lawyer. I don't get killed for this one. This one's crazy. I saw the contract with the lawyer, bro. And we get a deal draft written up. And Kanye is really not fucking

with it because I don't know why like it was like 400 grand um in pocket and 100 grand in the project I'm like bro let's swap those numbers I was never trying to take that much money in pocket like I'd rather put that in my project than my first project have like crazy features and crazy marketing and like this be like a big thing for me they weren't going for it but this was really crazy another lawyer hit me up and it was like can we meet up can we meet up I'm like man who the fuck is this lawyer like random as lawyer I won't even say his name but like we meet up and I'm with my manager and he's like he's like are they watching us

are they watching us? I'm like nigger who? Like who's supposed to be watching us? He's like bro I don't know that lawyer you just hope you didn't sign a deal with him I'm like why he's like he'd be having people out here looking for me I gotta be careful like he might get me beat up or something I'm like what the fuck? I got lawyer mob ties like what the fuck is going on out here

bro. We're in the middle of fucking time square or some shit and he's just paranoid like schizo type shit bros it was crazy that's as funny as it gets, but I'm just like, bro, what the fuck y'all on? Like, I got lawyer beefs. That's crazy. I don't know. But yeah, so didn't end up taking the deal,

and later that year, I ended up signing to Republic, which was cool. My lawyer, I mean, my NR did, like, Metro. He did, like, Uno. He did fucking, who else? Coyleret. And, I don't know, Post. Post is his big

one. Yeah. So, yeah. At this time was, Shake over there at good music. Yeah, Shake was just signed like a week before. Yeah, because it was like around the same time. Shake and I had really good friends, actually.

We worked on a whole project together, but... How did y'all meet? Just Instagram. One of her friends, her close friends, already liked my music and kind of put the word in because I told him I wanted to work with her and he was like, bro, hell yeah. So I flew in, I stayed at her crib.

We made like 30 fucking songs. And we were going to put out a project together, you know, which is funny. She's way bigger than me. But like, it was just funny because it's like, You know, I didn't even expect her to want to make that much music with me. I love this was recently, because at the time, I feel like y'all were, like, on the same level. Yeah, no, this is more recent.

This is, like, right before that really big song she had, y'all know the one that was on Billboard with the British girl? What's name is song, bro, with Ray? Escapeism? I think I heard. It's pretty big. I stopped paying attention after, yes, Jules got out of the situation. I feel that. I feel that.

Honestly. There's not a good excuse or anything, but I just don't know. I get it, though. I mean, you're honest. You're being honest. For a minute. I was paying attention because I was like interested in what yes Jules's artist was going to do and then they split and I just I feel I feel like she's bigger now no she is for sure yeah she dipped out of that situation as soon as she could yeah shake is interesting she like she had the yes jewel shit went kind of crazy you know kind of slowed down a little bit but then it's like maybe it's not as obvious in like the world we're in but like outside of that world like she's going stupid but wasn't okay wasn't osse oh seven oh shake wasn't she like with Kanye yeah yeah she still is but then yes Jules become. part of the Kanye shit. That's so weird.

After, like, I wonder if that was awkward or like, yo, I didn't think about that. I didn't think about that either. What the fuck? They like reconvened. I don't know. That's so weird. I don't know. That's a, yeah, you think quick with these things. Yeah, you gotta get her on here. She's a recluse. She's a real, like, spider. Like, she's real quiet. She don't really answer the phone like that.

Really? I fuck with her. She's just really herself and she doesn't really fuck with too many people. Wasn't she on Euphoria recently? Like, one of her songs was on there? I'm very sure. I think her song was on there and nah she wasn't dating the girl on there because you know she's dating um Johnny Depp's yeah she's dating a girl from the Wednesday Netflix right isn't that the main character

nah bro who's Johnny Debs isn't that the same shit from Wednesday am I bugging? Nah she was in that show at the weekend show Oh I never watched that I forget what it was called that show weekends hell They canceled that for like a couple episodes Oh it's a weekend show all right that's where it was Oh yeah fucking yeah the main character

I was about to start watching that show And then they just canceled it don't watch it No no it's so ass No, really? Go put on black mirrors. Black mirror is fire. Black mirror. That's my shit.

Damn, I watched a ton of episodes of that. You fuck with it? Yeah, it was sick, but I haven't kept up on the new shit at all. The newer ones not as fire, but. Bro, the last couple nights I've been trying to watch Shogun. I haven't seen it. It is so goddamn confusing.

I'm going to say, all those like sword fucking, we were just talking about this shit, them should be boring, bro. I just never even thought about the 1600s. And now it's like, there's just so much to keep track of. I can't remember that the fucking names. It's just like. I'm going and reading the Wikipedia articles

about the episodes after the fact I was trying to get into it because it's hard for me to like Looking up the Wikipedia shit is crazy though No but I have such bad ADD that I like I can't watch anything without like zoning out For like long five minute chunks in the middle of it So I'll get so lost that I'll have to like go And like retack what happened in the episode

No that's crazy I don't think I'll put that one on No Nah I don't really like all the swords and fucking horsemen shit Like what's that what's the one the real famous one, the real famous one, the real famous one, the big ass show. Like, picky blunders? I know that's something like that's.

Nah, the one where everybody gets killed and then there's like dragons. Lord of the Rings. Fucking house a dragon in the Game of Thrones? Game of Thrones. Oh, no, Game of Thrones. I can't watch that show. Game of Thrones to me is like a show where I watched the first season, wasn't fucking with it.

And then I like, my girl convinced me to give it another try. And it ended up being one of the best shows I ever seen in my life. But it was fucking really difficult for me to like get into it at first. Oh, man. Did you finish it? Yeah. Was it worth it? watching the new shit. House of Dragon right now.

That's five, too. Fire. One of the best shows. Oh, it's so. That and where it's right. I feel like I'm being peer pressure. Like I'm going to watch it. It's really one of those.

It's really one of those. Oh, no, gang. And the wire. You seen him bringing bad? That shit's just so fire. All right. Well, I'll put game with, yeah. The wire is the goat.

Yeah, I might try that shit out because I like, like power. Oh, yeah. See, that's what I need to watch. Power? I don't watch that at all. I mean, I don't watch that at all. The wire is so fucking good. People say shit like, oh, the acting's bad.

And I was, fuck with power, bro. Yeah. I was watching for him when it first came out. You wanted them niggas that hate on it. I can tell. Nah, I used to fucking watch it. I just thought I just fell out of it. A lot of shows are like that for me, though.

Like, I can watch a season or two, but by the time it gets a season three, four, it's like, I don't do a fuck about this shit anymore. The first one is overwhelming because of seven fucking seasons, bro. Like, it's, you know what I'm saying? It's too much. I've seen all the seasons in the first part, but I think I stopped that with, like, Powerbook 2 and shit. I watched the season of Empire. I tried to get into Empire. that shit was like everyone was watching that at one point it's too much that shit was

so fast-paced with so many crazy things happening in every episode that I just started to feel like this is retarded I can't keep watching bro I feel like watching like public TV series give me old head vibes I can't do it yeah I'm such a YouTube head that it's like very difficult for me to even give TV shows a chance are you on brain rot just watching brain rot shit on YouTube or do you watch bro like no is that a channel no no are you're saying that my brain's rotting okay yeah it's bro like this is is your brain on fucking drugs. The easiest thing in the world for me is to like sit and stare at TikTok or

like Instagram Reels for an hour. Facts. Like watching something like even that one episode of Shogun is like that takes like a real commitment to pay attention to something for that long. That's like the modern version of reading a book. Yeah. There ain't nobody reading books anymore. I still do it once in a while but it's not for everybody.

I do not read them on my phone too so it's like it doesn't feel that different. I can't read it. I can't read a book on the phone is just too convenient like if I'm interviewing somebody and they wrote a book it's like I can read way faster I feel like my IQ is so low for disagreeing with you I hate books bro

I'm blaming I feel like an extremely intelligent person but I'm not reading books no but I'm there now like where you don't like books it's just not really like it doesn't fit into my lifestyle if I lived on an island and I had all the time in the world for sure

I've been some books hey you might got a point because there's nothing else to fucking But doing 10 interviews a week is like, when the fuck am I going to read a book? Yeah, chapter one. Two weeks later, chapter one. Like, you're still there. Yeah, fuck a book, bro. Okay, so I wanted to ask you about what was your relationship with Fat Man Key?

I didn't have one. Oh, well, never mind. Cut this out there because it says that on the notes. He's showed me love, you know what I'm saying? And that's cool. That's how I can say. That was a remote note. For some reason, I thought you were around, like the key era of.

No, but like I've got embracement from that, like, that crowd, like, you know, Curtis Williams, too? Like, the whole two nine guys. Yeah, yeah. They show me love, bro. Does that do with the dreads or? Yeah, he had the big-ass dread afro. Yeah. Like, Jimmy Hendrix type swag.

But, like, they all show me love, like, oh, this is the next generation of, like, the indie Atlanta, like, kind of thing. And honestly, there's, like, a soft spot for, like, Key's career for me, because I kind of feel the same way sometimes. Like we're always talked about, but maybe not the biggest. So I see that in him and I'm like, man, keep going crazy, bro. Because he had a ton of amazing songs back in the day. And then he had that Kenny Beats mixtape, one of the greatest mixtapes I ever heard in my life. Yeah, the 777. I don't really know what happened with him after that.

I've seen him one time at no jumper, like mid-pandemic. Have he done one with him? Yeah, way back in the day. But he was drunk as fuck last time I seen him a couple years ago. He's always drunk when I see him. I'd be seeing him at, like, little clubs in Atlanta. But, like, it's not like someone I call or, like, D.N. Like, there's no, like, real relationship.

But, like, I think he's a great artist, bro. Yeah. And I know, like, it's safe for real. Yeah. Why do you feel like, because you were saying that you and him are kind of insane, but why do you feel like you and his career didn't take off where it could have been? I can't speak for him. But for me, like, all right, I came out during the cloud era, and personality is such a big thing.

I didn't show a lot of my personality. I don't think I shot as many videos as I should, and I definitely got cocky too fast because there were times where I felt like I deserved shit, it didn't happen, and I really took it personal. I took not coming here personal. I'm not going to lie.

I was mad. Like, fuck Adam, though. Fuck Adam, though. But I'm here. So it's not fuck Adam no more. We love Adam, bro. I appreciate it. There's a lot of people from that era, though,

that either like, in a lot of cases, it wasn't even that it didn't happen, that I didn't interview him. It was like, you interviewed this guy and this guy from my city before me, and I'm offended because I feel like I'm the father to the, those dudes.

You know, the underground moves so fast like that. I felt that way. I felt that way. There's a lot of people that I feel like I'm my sons. But I'm like, as you can, you can probably tell, like, if you go watch some of my old interviews and that, like, I've matured a lot. Yeah. So I don't really like, say too much like crazy shit because I'm like, it's like a, I don't care.

But even when you just said two nine, I just got a flashback of like, oh, yeah, they were mad and Scottie too hot. They were mad because I wouldn't fucking interview them or because it didn't work out. Or I was annoyed by the way they were coming at me or some shit. Like, it didn't happen. And I remember that was like a thing. Yeah, I could see it. I can see it.

I can see it from both sides too, though. Like some people just don't make sense sometimes, too. Or maybe you feeling yourself. I don't know. That's the thing about interviewing like underground rappers and shit is that you'll do it. And you'll interview a ton of motherfuckers who their career goes nowhere. But some of them, it'll do good. But then there'll be like other dudes that you like almost interviewed or it just didn't work out.

And they'll end up and you'll be like, why the fuck didn't I get this dude? But then meanwhile, I interviewed 100 fucking other dudes that. But if you're interviewing like underground dudes, it's more of like a gamble. Like you're not thinking you're going to have 100% success rate. Exactly. Yeah,

it's like should I do it? Maybe 15% of these guys will blow up. But then even if they don't blow up, it's still like an important historical record of what was going on in that scene at that time. It is. It is. Yeah.

I mean, same thing with like when I do features with people. Like, bro, crazy enough, I did a feature for Yeat. Like, let's say 2016. But I was charging like five bands of feature. I did a favor for, do you guys know Jay Riches? He's an engineer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like offset. No, yeah, I know Joe Rich very well. Yeah, so Jay Rich was managing Yit, bro. I don't know if anybody knows this. He was managing Ype. I didn't know that. Crazy. He's like, yo, I want you to meet my artist, you know?

This is like nerdy Yte days. Ha ha. I fuck her Yte, but this is like nerdy heat days. Like the whole get up wasn't there. But he was like, bro, I only got $500, bro. I was like, fuck it. I'll do it. So I did the verse.

Did not expect anything from Yte, bro. Then it just happened. So, like, it's like, it's like, kind of one of those things was like Cardi like I didn't know what to expect I fucked with Cardi though we were like fully like just equals like I wasn't anywhere he wasn't anywhere we just made music together on some like Atlanta young guy like just chilling shit like literally just vibing like friends like let's just make a song so it was it was like putting your cousin on a song you know it wasn't like there was no opportunity in it for

either one of us yeah it was just like fuck it as friends let's make music like but the yeats shit it's just crazy he came back around he charged me for a feature for my album so I'm like, okay, cool. It's fine. Fair game. When was that, though? Right after, like, get busy. He charged me like three racks.

Okay. Yeah. And that's cool at that time, too, because he's going crazy. And I already got the agreement, so it's like, that shit's probably worth, I don't know. Yeah, right? 100 bands. I'm sure he's charged 100 bands now. Yeah, exactly.

So it was something to just hold tight, you know, until it's time to drop. And they just dropping on the new project. Yeah, yeah. It's coming out on the new project. Yeah. That's actually sick. Yeah, it's fire. I'm going to see you guys some stuff, too, like some merch and shit.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, fuck with. So what about the Yadi feature? Is this, like, a new feature? It's a new word, yeah. So we took a long time on this album. I'm not even going to hold you. It probably took, like, almost two years,

just between making mad songs, like making sure they're still relevant to what's going on by the time. Like, we're gearing up to release it, changes shit out. We might make a new relationship right after the shit is finished. Like, I started getting cool with Kachin'at, for example.

Shit, I wanted to throw something on his on there, so I put at the end of the song. Him rapping. No, just a little talking Just a little talking He was gonna rap on it Throwing some crazy shit Because I was like

Oh this is gonna be a crazy like It's like a cloud move You know just to be honest Because it's like He knows damn well Like nobody's like going out there Way looking for him to rap You know what I'm saying

Like he knows it's like a business decision But what was that song That he was pushing him And it was down early Yeah My old Vizzy My old Vizzy average My old Vizzy

Yeah You got shit And we chop on in shit At one point right Yeah Nah Constant adverse we are When I interviewed Kassanat back in the day,

that song was still like the thing that he was pushing. Like that was like one of the main reasons. Bro, he's still pushing that shit. Yeah. Yeah, nah. He's still pushing that shit. Because it's not like he's making no more shit right now. It's crazy because him and Yadi are pretty close now.

And the song that I'm talking about is the Yadi song. Oh, right. Yeah. So it makes kind of full sense. And at that point, I don't even think they knew each other when I decided to put him on it. So it's just crazy how it all worked out. We need the Nasty Yadi.

I mean, Nastyy Kossi is a movie. That would be crazy. Let's put that in the universe. Let's put it in the universe. Kai got my number, man, if you want to do it. He's like one of those guys that, like, hit me up. Like, oh, bro, I need some clothes. You know what I was that?

I remember early on, I thought you were going to, like, the good kid, I mean, the good music shit happened. But then also, Drake and them had you on, like, OVO Radio. Yeah. I thought you'd been signed to OVO. Bro, there were so many crazy things, bro. I made so many stupid mistakes, too. Okay, so I wanted to secretly, I guess this is so crinzy, bro.

This is growth. But, like, bro, I wanted to get signed to OVO too. So I was like, I called, I had, I was in contact with, what's the name, Oliver, Drake's manager. Oh, I. And I was like, yeah, bro. So like, Kanye trying to sign me. I'm not knowing they're beefing yet because it's not public. I'm like, I'm trying to get something started.

Like, shit, I want to be signed the OVO. I fuck with Drake. I'm not one of those guys that, like, think it's the craziest decision in the world. I feel like 99% of the internet. Probably you two, right? You think signing the OVO's crazy? I want to say that, but it doesn't seem like it's really worked out that great for too many people. That sounds like you think it's crazy.

You're saying it politically correct. No, but like normal human being thinks signing to Drake would be the best thing it could ever happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fact. Industry insider opinion is like, oh, shit. It doesn't seem like that works out for too many people. I have that balance. I have that balance. I can see that. But I think I was just putting that, like, that idea of it so much further ahead.

And I was like, man, Ovi-on-nessy sounds fire. So I was like, I'm like, yeah, Oliver, yeah. What do you think I should do? Like fake asking for advice. I don't even go fuck about that advice for her. I'm just trying to get the interest going. And I'm trying to finesse it, but I'm like, I'm not doing it right, bro. Like, I've learned so much about how you really should be talking to people and like negotiating and shit.

Bro, I was fucking that shit up in real time. So, yeah, that let me know where. You just kind of telling him that you were about to get an offer from Kanye, like to push them to do something for you? Yeah, possibly. But the thing is, like, looking back, I should have known how farfetched that was, bro. I should have known that that was retarded to do, bro. Like, why am I even doing that? But the thing is, I didn't know they had any smoke, like, at the time.

Like, Kanye. I don't think none of us did, really. no one knew it was like really early but like I kid you not like two three months later it like came out and I was like oh fuck what the fuck did I do and then eventually all over ended up unfollowing me too so I was like oh fuck oh I rubbed something wrong but um no but they showed a lot of love bro it was to the point where I could send a song and they would play it on OVO like that night or you know whatever like it was pretty cool I probably was on there like maybe four or five times the first time I had no clue how I got on there I was just like

what the fuck. I'm on OVO Radio. I think it was my birthday. I was like, what the fuck? Like, I must be lit right now. I don't know what's going on. Because I'm like, bro, how do fuck these motherfuck and know who I am? Like, I got like 5,000 followers. Like, what the fuck am I? How? So, um, I figured out that this dude named Safe.

He writes for Drake sometimes. He actually recommended him my music. So now I started fucking with Safe because I'm like, damn, you didn't even have to do that. You just do that, like, from your heart. Because I didn't know him. We became really cool. I don't know if y'all know who safe is, but he's really dope. Like, Drake Ghost Rider and Law? Nah, hell no, bro.

Dregg Ghost Rider and Lock. Bro. Hey, beats by safe times, no jumper coming soon, bro. Remember him almost fighting perp in the parking lot of South by Southwest? Is this what I'm thinking of? Yeah, right? Yo, beats by safe, no jumper coming soon. Yeah.

Beats. I forgot about that guy. Yes, it is. Beats. Hey, there's another guy like him now, though. That comments on under Kanye's shit. Oh, yeah, yeah. You interviewed him?

You interviewed him? I interviewed him for leaving comments on people's shit. What's his name? What's his name? Produced by that? Produced by Zach, bro. Yeah. Is this Beatsby Safe?

I forget what his name was, but... Hey, secretly I used to be jealous that Beatsby Safe wouldn't comment on my shit because I'm like, bro, I'm lit too. Oh, yeah, that's a stimulus package. Exactly. It's like, bro, if he comments on your shit, he feels like he can gain from it, so you're lit. I just, I was like, I was waiting on the day it would come Beats by Safe never got to you. I can't remember the dude who was beefing with smoke perp in the parking lot.

I probably mean, like, shut up the wrong dude for the wrong thing. That's just going to happen more and more as the years ago by in this podcast today. Yeah, I can't remember shit. Hey, don't let the Alzheimer set in, bro. It's gonna be like. Dude, it's sitting at home just like, why is he saying that I fought smoke prayer for the party? Yeah, you know.

But there was, there was some annoying-ass podcast producer that was like beefing with all these dudes, but I can't remember his fucking name. Underground history lost. I feel like it is Beets by Safe though. It might be. But it didn't come up when I just tried to search it. It's like Beepa-S-A-F.

S-A-F. Yeah, it's not F-E. Am I really about to do with us again? So my boy's safe that I'm telling you about. He spells his real name like that, too. Like his real name is S-A-I-F, but then his artist's name is S-A-F-E. But this is not the same guy, bro. What songs he wrote for Drake?

I don't know. I actually don't know. And I think this was like... Oh, hell yes. Six years ago, academics posted. Smoke Purb almost gives a Twitter producer, Beats by Safe, the Beats for titles too long. For running up on him at South by Southwest. Okay, I knew I wasn't losing my mind.

Sprite shit. He could have went up if he actually gave him the beats, though. I think I blocked him. He said for being annoying, but... Beats by Safe? Yeah. Seems like the type of guy that would delete his page after the five years. Yeah, yeah, new Twitter.

You know what type of guys? Like, this wasn't a real thing they were supposed to go off of. It was just like a experiment or something. You were saying earlier that you were upset with Adam because he called you a hook guy. Yeah, you call me a hook guy. Did I say that? I'm like, damn, bro, I thought my hooks suck at that time. I'm like, I think I rap better than my hook.

The verses was going crazy. Yeah, bro. Who said the hook guys? That's funny. That's crazy. I know you don't remember that shit. I don't even if I said that, though, I feel like I'm more embarrassed because, like, I don't think I even knew that.

I was probably just saying that. I felt like that too. I feel like Adam's not super. Like I know you knew my like me like face wise, but I was like, I bet he doesn't know my music like that. So I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I should probably go watch my Killy interview. See what I was talking about at that time. What was happening with Kili?

And I was, didn't Killy get, get a little Zamb beat up? He did, bro. He did. That was, that was crazy. Oh,

I don't know if you got him beat up, but he definitely pressed him. Oh, was he there? Yeah, I can't remember where it was his goons Or if it was him, yeah. Yeah, Killy's a real nigga. I fuck with Killy, bro.

He's so cool, bro. Where was he at in the Drake Kendrick beef? I don't know. We needed him to shoot for OVO. Yeah, I'm hoping Drake's side because Drake fuck with him. What fuck? Hey, you got to be loyal.

Where was Killy and all that? I know, right? I think Lil Pump missed an opportunity. What are you thinking you could have jumped in? He should have got on Jake Cole's ass when he bowed out of the beat. Oh, that's so funny. That would have been lit. The Jay Cole shit was.

At that moment, I wanted to know exactly what Lopin was thinking. No, the apology was crazy because it just, like, it just fueled the flame of everyone else's shit once more, bro. And it made it funnier. Such a weird little chapter in that beef. He just stood in a really said. Because nobody else put out a whole album. He put out a whole album and then just took it back.

Well, he was an album? I thought it was one song. But one song primarily discussed that shit. But, like, he even called the album. Mike deleted later. He didn't delete it, did he? I think he deleted that song. he did.

Hey man, that's called branding. He did it. He didn't lie to us. I don't know if I ever actually made it through the whole album. I think I only heard a few songs. Should probably get back on that. No comment, no comment. You're on the fuck of Jay Cole team?

Nah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I didn't say all that. I didn't say all that. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. It was normal to be Jay Cole K back in the day, though. There was a lot of people on that way. There was like Jay Cole K, K. Ress K is crazy.

Russ K is crazy. Hey, Kool K is crazy. Hey, Russ got some shooting. though for real, that house. Hell yeah. On God. I learned. No, no, no.

I'm cool one of his boys and he's like that. A lot of people. DJ Steam got pressed, everybody. Yeah, don't play with that boy. Don't play with that boy. I think Russ himself. And I have no ties to Russ.

So I'm not just like, all right, don't sample me, bro. They try to sound like a tough guy. Rest got some guys behind him. But don't sample me, bro. You know, motherfuckers like to chop these interviews up. Russ got some shooters and beat dry. Like, boom.

I got off light with the Russ situation. Who was your situation? He just got clocked in the head one time. That's cool. Could have been a lot worse. Was the guy with the dreads? I couldn't tell you. Damn, that was a fast clock.

It was an African-American person, but it was, I don't know, but their hairstyle. African-American descent. It was for sure. I'd be like, dude, beat my ass on the nail shop. You know, you got a whole bunch of Haitian dudes or some shit? Nigerians. Nigeria. Yeah.

I'm not sure exactly how he got trapped into that. I don't know what tribe he's associated with, but one of them. Russ. Maybe a couple. It's not me as him, bro. No, I look at Russ. Actually, I never really had the sack to like asking for an interview after that. Bro, just do it.

He's the type of guy, though. I feel like he's still reasonable. I feel like he's down to Earth. I mean, we got on the phone after that like, like, we have swept it under the road for us. I think that would be kind of a cool, like, turn of events. Yeah. You're good at that type of shit, though. Like full circle shit.

Bringing someone on the podcast who's previously humiliated me? Yeah. But it's fire. You know why it's fire, bro? Because it's so humility, bro. That's true. That's true. I really respect that.

And it would show that I'm willing to do anything for views, which we already know. Yeah, we know you're... No comment again, bro. That man, Adam, will do the most person views, bro. Including interviewing my assailant. Yeah. We're going to get him to convert to Christianity next. Don't worry, guys.

Oh, hell no. I'm an obloch Muslim. Hmm. That's my next... That's my next character. Shit, this morning, for sure. I have five years of eggs. White people eat bacon every day.

I eat every day. Yeah. I'm half white, so half a slice. Yeah, I didn't know. Yeah. Making half a slice. My mom's black, my dad's white, boom. You got it.

I'm not logic. I'm not going to tell you again. How do you feel about like the new age SoundCloud era? Because you know everyone's trying to compare this generation to 2016. The energy is so similar, bro, because TikTok is like what Instagram was for us, but way more like piped up. I love some of these, the new artists, bro. Like, I'm not hating on none of that shit. It's just something that I like more than others.

and definitely I'll be feeling old sometimes listening to some of them because it's just like all auto tune fucking I like laser dim, bro you got laser dim on here you had laser dim on here, no we went to a show we went to a show

no! I did see that bro fuck bro, it was crazy yeah, brawny there damn laser dim is fire bro I like him bro

I was for sure the oldest person there was by like 10 years besides I don't know maybe like the club owner weird like little kids coming up to you as fans, bro? About that weird. It's all right. I'm used to it at this point, but it's weird that it like continues to happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's going to get worse. You're 17 and you still think, am I right? That's cool. 10 years from now? And then they're going to still be run up to Adam and like, that's kind of wild, bro. My kid gets it now. My kid, like, understands that when people yell three and a half, when people yell Adam 22 at me, that means that they watch a podcast.

She knows there's a thing called the podcast. It's pretty hot down. Yeah. Type shit. She's saying my girl like, me and you are going to do a podcast, and then she'll just like start asking her shit. Oh gosh. Like she just assumes that there's probably a camera somewhere.

It's pretty funny. That's fire. Well, yeah, what were we on? I forgot. There was something that brought us there. The current SoundCloud Wave. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Let me do my quick little. Who do I like? I'm picky, though. Because like even out of my generation, there's probably four people. like at heart liked you know what I'm saying like I don't want to say no names again because I'm gonna get chewed up I'm looking through my music let's see yeah who you fucking went right now from the new generation um new generation Ian Ian Ian's fire he's fire right he's so fire um I love Ian's music bro I figure it out video was a little mid though not gonna lie it was crazy

mid mid mid as fuck yeah let's just put that on table we don't have to be nice um laser dim fire I like baby Kia I like baby Kia you know coming from Atlanta y'all did the interview right you did the baby Kia shit I've seen that one

that was fire I thought I saw it at least I like anybody who's doing a 20V1 because that shit's hilarious you know what I'm saying you know just and it's always interesting

when they pass up on a BBL girl because I'm like damn that kind of defeats rapper like stigma like you really pass up on a BBL damn can you rap anymore is that legal

like what the fuck who would you put on the the Mount Rush more of SoundCloud. Oh gosh. Is it crazy if I put myself? Because I just feel like I deserve that. I didn't make as much of an impact as far as like the forefront.

But I feel like, bro, if you scroll through my messages, bro, everybody. Everybody that did something. But outside of that, let's just do this. Let's do Cardi for sure. He needs to be in the middle. He's inspired the most as far as SoundCloud goes. I cannot think of anyone. I would stand on that.

Uzi. Because he's, it's like very hand in hand. Like, bro, there's so many fucking Uzi clones. Cardi and Uzi are the SoundCloud rappers that you can't even remember that they were SoundCloud rappers. Yeah.

Because they just like surpassed it. Exactly. They're established, bro. It's like these are, if not household names, very close to it at this point. Like every mom who got a 14-year-old son has bought them a t-shirt,

a piece of merch, a fucking ticket to a concert. Man, it's a household name. So Cardi, Uzi Um Probably juice bro Too I didn't even listen to a whole lot of juice world

We just like showed each other a lot of love Through messages like Damn X like It's so many Unfortunately I will say that I think that the sound That X like really made popular It's starting to go out a little bit It's starting to get aged

And don't take that the wrong way I mean more so like the whole like yelling type shit Yeah But the other shit is still like It's like timeless shit like the singing type shit. There's no real age on that shit

because it's not really like rap music. But I'm trying to think who else. You know, I want to put a boat on there. The only reason I'm not putting boat on there is because his evolved, it's like he wanted to do a whole 360 and kind of like restart. So his restart where he's at now,

it kind of has nothing to do with SoundCloud. Like it's like his own thing. You got to give it to him. He's been written off and like had everybody act like he was done. Yeah. a bunch of times. He just keeps figuring out a new way. I think this one is the best boat, bro.

I love what he's doing. I love, I love the music. I love the visuals. I like the style. I like the concrete boys. I like the whole thing. But I feel like it's its own separate thing. Because I feel like if we just talk about SoundCloud chapter,

it didn't leave like an influence on a whole lot of other artists that made other big impacts. Because if I think of the people who inspire, were inspired by him, I'm thinking, ugly guy. I'm thinking, uh, doop can. I'm thinking, uh, a lot of like, like the, the, the fun, like, rappers. Like, it's just all fun shit, bro. Like, but like, with Cardi and Uzi and stuff, it's kind of like, ever since they came out, they had a clone from all each year.

From Brokeboy Cardi to Vamp Cardi, like, there was clones in between that all kind of, like, did something. I mean, Mario Judah. Mario Judah. He put out of the whole album. Like, you know what I'm saying? Bro, Cardi is so crazy because it's like, you got the Brokeboy clones who are using the Mexico drill type beats,

that's the real SoundCloud type beat, if you really think about it. Yeah, when you think about Cardi now and then you think about Brokeboy. So different. Brett boy. Broke boy. What the fuck? Crazy, bro.

We love that. Yeah. I like this shit. I like this motherfucker. I knew this motherfucker and I'm emailing the email like, can I get a feature? Brett, and Brett hit my book. boy on FaceTime, he was like,

Brad, tell Nessie stop emailing me, bro. I'm like, damn, man, I just wanted the feature, bro. I thought he was going to respond to me. Yeah, and he was supposed to be on Wildflower, which is crazy. So this is a funny one. The first one on part two.

The first one. So he, do you guys know who Aaron is in his circle? Aaron, his manager? Okay, she used to work for, uh, damn, I forgot what it's called. C.L. Lewis, something like that. Whatever the name of the agency is.

But I emailed her. We were talking about Cardigan on Song. He told me $29,000. Got the money together. Messaged Cardi. Cardi still responds sometimes on DM if I hit him. Randomly, though. But I messaged him and I was like, yeah, bro, I got the money together.

I want to send it to you. And the song, he was like, that twin, like it's going to be 60. I'm like, bro, you just said 29 two days ago. Two days ago, bro. So I didn't do it. More so because I felt tried, not because I couldn't get him the money. Fuck that. If you were quoted 29.

Yeah, give me 29, bro. If he said like, okay, gonna be 35. I'd have been like, bitch, but okay, I might do that. But 29 to 60, bro, you want twice the money. What's the most you ever spent on a feature? Bro, it's rare I pay. Uh, maybe two grand. I don't know. And it's usually been like me saying, oh, I fuck with you. Just take something for your time. Like, Skied it and charged me. And I just was like, you know, let me get you Uber, get you some liquor and here's some pocket money, you know, because a lot of the respect that I have from people, like, in the music shit, like, you know,

it goes a long way, bro. You know what I'm saying? They'll just be like, oh, I respect what you did. Like, I fuck with you. You're cool in person. Like, you know, I think some people would think I'm going to be, like, mean or something, like online. I don't know what it is.

But sometimes I've gotten an energy that, like, people expect something different. And I'm, like, kind of confused by it. But, you know, I always like to, like, make sure I, um, have something to give or, you know, show my appreciation somehow. So, yeah, never really had to pay, bro. Pablo, Pablo, Pablo, Pablo, Pablo, Pablo. Oh, which, Pablo, Juan? Bro, I paid him five bands.

I forgot about that one. I just really liked his music. And I was like, I'm not really on no street shit. I got street friends that know him, but I didn't even want to do that. Because I was like, I'm not even trying to intermingle too much shit. But I was before gelato or? Right after. Right after.

Right after. Okay. I used to love that. song, bro. I just liked Pablo so much for some of you. I love Pablo Wong. Yeah. I haven't seen everybody try to turn him into a joke and shit for a while.

Yeah. I'm not going to lie. I think the selfie fucked it up. Selfie? Do you remember the selfie? Somebody took a selfie with him? That shit up, bro. I can't remember.

Yeah, I can't even remember that. He had the busted lip and shit and he just got into a, just got jumped or something. Oh, I think I do remember that only. It's just, I feel like that was a bad move. And, uh, I don't remember the whole lot. like behind why he kind of lost some of his street. Well, they were saying he got robbed and shit. They said he got robbed.

Well, he's a little dude. I have heard that it was kept. You heard it was cap? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, he'd like hold his own, bro. Oh, yeah. Look, it.

Wasn't he signed a Gucci right before he went to jail? I think so. You seen it? Hey, let me see. Some Edwords, I don't know, jump me. I don't know. I'll be all right. But, bro, you don't feel like that's real?

I think it's real. No, that is. Honestly, it's real, too, though. Yeah, yeah. It's real and it's real. It's just crazy. I fuck with it, bro. Pablo, I fuck with it.

But I feel like a lot of people did not fuck with it. So, there's that. So I think that might have fucked him up. But I gave him five racks, you know, street dude. Like, bro, you don't negotiate. He's just cool, take it.

So, I hated his first verse, bro. I told him, I was like, man, that shit's trash, bro. Man sent me another one. They didn't charge me again. I just kept it a buck. I was like, I don't want this shit. And he respected it.

He just did a new one. that was the most I ever paid for a feature but it was just because of the situation of the dynamic like how fast I wanted it didn't feel like sitting there building a relationship and all that I was just like let's get straight to it I didn't think we're gonna have a lot in common

what the fuck we're gonna talk about bro I used to think the paying for features was you know humiliating at a certain point in my life but then I talked to somebody like Millies and I just realized that to him that's just reinvesting into his career and that all those features

have basically like taken in place in his career. He wasn't going to get otherwise. So I totally respect it now. You know what, bro? It's 50-50 for me still. I refuse the pages some people. It's not because of ego though.

It's because like, bro, if I see that we have like a, like you have this mutual respect already there that's preexisting and you just keep showing me love and all that. All right, let's get in. And then if you don't want to get in, then cool. But like if there's some like A list, B-list artist that keeps saying, bro, Nessie, this shit, you drop my heart. And like you just kind of swear with me after that

Like I try to do a song like bro, I'm not gonna pay you bro. You already showed me that you fuck with me and I don't know what you're trying to get out Are you broke and eat some bread or do you really just like me like because if you just like Like awesome like let's just chop it up. Yeah like if we're really friends I would think that Somebody tried in charge me would be like kind of offensive but the way Millie does Millie does is like the way he's talking to me about is like he want to be around these fucking rappers and he he don't really like got like an obvious way being from fucking Boston to like get in front of these people so he's like

like pay for the feature, get around him, build a little relationship, they got respect for him, they see that he's like the cool white dude and then all of a sudden he's like got some kind of communication with him and you can do something with that, you know? That's true because I mean money talks and it starts a lot of relationships. I mean, there's people who pay me for features, bro. I'm not even going to lie. Like I fuck with them so hard now that we actually have real friendship. Man, some of my boys out there, they pay me for a feature in Paris like a little over a year

ago, man, I will buy them guys flights myself and let them stay with them. me like whatever they want i fuck with them like it opened the door so i actually respect that that perspective like the millies thing like i'm sure there's a lot of people that do it like yeah i paid you for a feature tight shit see that's crazy i don't even remember you paid him yeah for a feature i didn't i was i was the guy on instagram like want a feature one of it wasn't for me it was when he remember that he's yeah yeah and then because i first met you 2016 i was with ugly god that's south-bought southwest and it's crazy because ugly god and shake was opening, oh, they were performing or whatever.

At the venue? Yeah, they had a show there. That was there. That one year that I went to South by Southwest in like 2016, like Ugly God was probably on like 10 shows that night. Yeah, he was on like every flyer. You know how it is when you're kind of lit and you're going to South by Southwest. You get booked to like everything.

I've seen all the ugly guy's shit though? Yeah, I talked to him recently. The fake, the body thing? Yeah. Yeah, I talked to him. It's fake? Yeah. Well, that's good.

Yeah. You can kill nobody. You a bitch. just kidding. He didn't kill like that dude. He told me he hit me up. He told me this cat. Yeah,

we talk every now and now. There was never any like article or anything. There was no real evidence of that. I just had to ask. I talked to him and I didn't hear that. He told me it was kept. All right. And I've known him longer than you.

So I feel like he would tell me the truth. But he also probably thinks of me as more of a gossip. Yeah. Even though realistically you're like, you're like, well, he's like my deputy fucking. I've talked to him recently I mean I don't know Anybody who doesn't trust me should also not trust Rebo

Right like that like that really Like that's really going on like that bro This is a no jumper thing We're working on sitting at my boy Adam I'm sure you can keep some secrets here This is the nice version of Vlad guys Don't come on here Don't come out here

Nah Vlad's Vlad is not like the messiest podcast anymore I took that title from him You're not so bad now I'm sitting here I'm like hmm because Vlad's questions are more general interest and my questions are more like directly street-related at a certain point. What's like DJ Smalls?

I don't even know what's the category to put him in. I just had to see like how are we... Is he still doing this thing? Yeah, still a thing. But you know what's annoying is that it's DJ Small's eyes? It's like small, small's eyes. It's not like... Isn't he the Asian guy though?

He's like Indian or something. Is he? I never seen him before. I thought I've seen him one time. Yeah, but okay, there's one cool thing I'll say about him that's like super legendary. He was definitely hosting all the early Drake. make shapes.

When I was a little kid, I used to listen to Drake, like, before he was, like, pop in? He was, he was hosting them shit. Back when it was, like, DJ Scream. Like, you know how people he's had to voices and shit. DJ Smallness, bro. I don't even remember that, Eric. So it's before so far gone and all that. I remember Drake before that.

I remember when he was like, uh, fucking, he had, like, the fall cover. It was like. That's so far gone. With the little raining roses or some shit. No, it was before that. He was like ATP or something shit. Oh, the ATF. ATF.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, something like... Comeback season. Comeback season, yeah, that's what I was first got on the Drake. It's us. Early on us. Oh, yeah. The peak color is crazy.

I was on comeback season. That was like, when I found out of it, it was like, oh, no, he got other mixed tapes. And so I wouldn't have to listen to that after. What, comeback season? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I remember I used to always think, like, how the fuck? Because when you searched Drake, Drake Bell used to show up.

Yeah, I remember. He chose the worst rap name ever. No one was ever going to just search a drink. Now is the biggest rap name ever. Yeah. It's crazy. Because Drake Bell used to just always pop up when you started to drink back on day. Yeah, he got a new last name now, too.

Imagine my surprise when I realized that this new rapper that I was listening to who had songs with Lowellane, that that was the guy from the wheelchair degrassi thing. I never watched the grassy, sir. He didn't hit me for it. I would not have had any fucking clue what Degrassy was if I didn't have an ex-girlfriend who used to sit on the fucking couch and watch her. It wasn't your thing. That was like her shit from high school.

I was crazy. I never saw when I would see the memes. I'm like, damn, how did I miss this? Like, this is loki my era still. you know what I'm saying? That is crazy that that's the same guy. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, so talk to us about the new project and what people need to look out for. When's the shit actually going to drop? So we're going to announce the first single. It's going to be Hilton, featuring Yadi. It's going to come out probably sometime in June. And there will not be a video or any of that, but this will be fun.

It's going to be a fun comeback. We got a few different singles that we want to do and just kind of play around. with it and just, I don't know, kind of fill it out again. I'm not, I'm not press. It's the crazy thing. It's just like, I just want to put it out there, see how people feel, how people respond and just.

That's good, though. A lot of people are, like, too married to the outcome. Man. In both YouTube and music. Yeah, yeah, that shit fucked me up way too much in the past. So now I'm just like, you know, let's drop all the anxiety of it. Just fucking release. Why no video for the feature here?

Got me charging or? No, no, no. Hell no. charge me. But the thing is, he's just so tied up and so much shit that I don't want to keep pushing back what I need to do for him. For him. So it's like that, but there's going to be so much interesting

shit around the project that I feel like we'll make up for the loss of that video. I remember you guys it's season. Oh, a cartoon one? And yeah, the cartoon video. Yeah. I feel like Yaddy owe you a video. That was cool. We did one video like

maybe three years ago. It was me, him, and Lil Kee. Kee'd couldn't come through. It was like his baby shower or some shit but like RIPP but um yeah that shit that was cool we did we did one and it was it was all right it didn't give me a it didn't give me an opportunity to like show like the uniqueness it felt very rappery like the dude who shot the video like shoot like six nine videos and shit you know so it was like it was nothing really like super creative it was like colorful mad girls you know yeah nothing crazy you know that's the whole difference with this like I'm trying to like do all the crazy shit like the interesting shit like maybe there won't be a

whole bunch of fat asses, but like, we all love fat asses, but, you know, at the same time, I'm trying to switch it up a bit. How are you picking, like, the producers you work with this time to go around? One producer only. It's that guy in the corner right there, J-Mo DeJan. So he... Where do you mean him at? This is funny, so he has a platform himself.

It's called harp season. It's not as active right now, but, like, a lot of the guys in Atlanta, you know, they'll hit him up and he'll, like, play the harp live behind them while they were. rap or he can like get a whole orchestra so I reached out through that I was super interested when I saw I thought it was unique and then from there um I don't know I'm just curious I was like bro he does this and he's interested in rap there's no way he doesn't do music like like like professionally to some extent I tap this shoulder I'm like bro you make music like for real like you make beats too like because I don't want to just be like using him like I feel bad like like I don't want to just

come through and just like take all your sauce like so what can we do to work together and like bro we had mutual interest instantly because I heard his beats you heard what I was doing outside of what we were working what I already had been working on and he was like yeah let's cook up and I started I probably had like a thousand songs on a hard job I thought all of them were ass I just wasn't feeling myself then and um we started working and I was like man like you're you're bringing that light back you know over my head that light bulb like I'm getting like inspired again and uh we should we just been cooking up ever since and like from the first session we did I was like oh yeah this is the beginning of

of the new album. Like, this is, this is perfect. Like, I don't know. It was just, like, a no-brainer to me at that point, you know? And, yeah, that's how we did it. So it's all him, really, yeah. And no release day yet? I know you said the single coming out of June.

I'm anticipating for the next, like, two, three months. You know what I'm saying? Like, we already got merch and, like, Digi packs already finished. Like, we have everything prepared. It's just about the rollout, making sense. This might kick it off. Shit. This would make sense.

So. That's what we do here. Yeah. Kick off your roll out. Shout up no jumper. What you mean? Yadi, do the video. If you watched it.

Yeah, Yadi, fucking video, bro. That's a whole circle. He's in Yaddy land right now, so I feel him. Stop the ghost writing Kendrick Disses and do the video. Jammu's hard, though. How do you feel about Yadi, like, writing for Drake? Did you ever see that in his future? Yeah, I did.

Just because, like, when I'd link with him, he'd always tell me the sauce, like, behind the scenes. Not the Drake shit necessarily, but he told me he told me was choosing all the beats for the Drake 21 project. I was like, what the fuck, Drake in 21? I knew before, like, it was out there. And I was like, I was just, like, so mind-blown, bro. And he was playing me, like, references for other artists.

He played a song that... Did you play you act out? For City Girls? Fuck it. He played me a song that, like, he was trying to pitch to Travis. I shouldn't be saying too much. But, like, I don't know if that one panned out. But like he is trying to work with like a lot of people and write for them and you know get more get his pen more acclimated to like other artists.

I feel like it works because I feel like Yadi's a lot better than people say. Like that shit's always pissed me off. Like even from the beginning, I always thought he was better than like people understand because they're getting lost in his style. They're getting lost in the beat choice. They're getting lost in his look. I feel like with Yadi though, it's like a voice thing. It's a voice more than anything. Fuck with his voice and some people just don't

And so some of those songs that he's given to other artists I think it's almost like admitting like oh that other people who have like a cleaner delivery Might be able to have more success with this song you know Jumbo what's it called Jumotron shit pop and that's a great example Because I'm not gonna lie I do like it more with Drake even though fuck with Yadi I like I like Drake's delivery of it because It's kind of more expected with Yadi like the fun beat the gurgly voice and shit I don't know like shit I like how Drake did it.

I don't know. But I didn't necessarily expect Drake, but I knew he was involved way before he started putting it out there because he's been stoked. You feel me? Oh, right, right. Yeah, he's excited, bro. I got one more question.

How do you feel about, like, the current state of Atlanta music right now? I think it's coming to the point where, yeah, we've inspired so much, but it's not like we're like, we got to fight to keep number one, quote-unquote. Right, that's right. And I don't care if we lose it, bro.

I'm not a lot. If you lose it, who you feel like you guys are going to lose it too? Like, who? The internet is, it's not going to be a region. It's just going to be that, it's just going to be that so many people from so many different places make so much good shit. Yeah. That, like, no one's going to care about region as much anymore. You know, that's how I see it.

You know? Yeah, because right, like, usually, it used to be like every year there was like two, three new artists from Atlanta. Bro, facts. That was, like, hot, right? You know what I'm saying? It's been, lately it's been like. It's quiet. Who's the last artist from Atlanta that, like, came with, like, a new wave besides, like, little baby?

Laserdue. I mean, Laserdue. Like, the new drill thing, like the drill music thing usually comes in when a music scene starts to get a little stale.

When you get all the kids that are like, fuck yes, we go thrash shit and kill each other and drink lean. That's like what drill music all about, you know? I don't hear a lot of lean shit

in drill songs. It's always like killing people. Yeah. There's a lot of smoke on. There's no relaxing. If you're a killer, you shouldn't be drinking lean, yeah. Yeah, facts.

He just gave a win. He said he's three, four months off, right? I'm going to have a fight man. Facts. But hey, best of luck to him. I believe in him. But that one Zane Loe interview clip, he was just like so uncharacteristically clear-headed. And I'm just wondering.

Wait, really? Oh, you got to go watch it. He's like mad sober? It's a totally different person. It's fucking weird. I'm just wondering if that's him like all the time right now or if he just happened to be on a good one that day. That's cool. Time will tell.

I want to see it. Sober Sosa. I still got to listen to album. With dirty nachos? No, the new Almighty So, too. It came out? Yeah. Oh, shit.

Tons of people saying that it's incredible, too. I believe it. We've been waiting on it forever. Yeah. Yeah. I focus on it. But yo, Nestle, I appreciate you coming through for show. Yes.

All right. We got to connect and everything. Still finessem, man. This is actually a legendary interview for people who don't know. Very legendary. Pay attention. Only for me. Important shit right here for everybody to understand.

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