No Jumper - NLE Choppa Talks New Album, Becoming a Dad, Being Banned on Instagram & More

Episode Date: August 11, 2020

We are delighted to have Choppa for a brand new in studio interview! With an highly anticipated debut out, Choppa discusses the recording process, relationship with Blocboy, working with Roddy Ricch, Lil Baby, Mulatto, his new outlook on life, meditation, his family and more! ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumber, coolest podcast in the world. Today, we're back in here for the second time with the top Shata himself. What's going on? And Ali Chaba, how you feeling, man? Quite going on, I'm feeling good. Feeling good? Album's out or not out. End of the day, it'll be out.

By the time they see this, it'll be out. But perhaps more importantly, you just graduated high school? Yeah, for sure. How did you just were like filling out packets on the road and stuff? Or how does that work exactly when you're in a position like yourself? Shit, I mean, it's like balance. It's like, there's one thing I realize life is all about balance. You got to know, like, when to do certain shit.

You got to know when to do this, when to do that. So if you balance stuff out right, like, you'll get that stuff done because I already be done. Right, because, like, we always see you with your family moving around and stuff. Like, they clearly are a big part of your whole operation. But it's like, was that important to them? Yeah, it was for so important. To Mondoos was so important. Yeah, it was so important.

They just wanted to make sure you have that sort of framework for your life, even though if you're going to go and be a rap star, you're going to still have the education lockdown. His mom's dancing around and shit now. Yeah, for sure. She enforced that. She made sure. She made sure.

That's good, though, because a lot of people probably look at you and think that you're just totally whiling out of control and shit. But it's good to know you still have, like, the discipline to hold down. You got to have self-discipline. I mean, shit. After come on and just be like how they be, you know,

in the music video, I just be chilling. I'd be cool and I'd be trying to get through. Yeah. Have you feel like you? you've grown up a lot over the past year or so that you've been in the public eye like how have you changed man i think i changed a lot like i don't know if it's changed i think it's more so like matured it's just i'm starting to realize a lot more stuff and just like realizing a lot of shit don't like eating deserve energy like just particular energy to take your space and you know mental so this is

what i pretty much figured out you you had more time for the beef and yelling into your phone and shit when you first got in the game and now that seems a little bit more played out. Yeah, this shit bullshit. It's good to know. You see the last interview they did? They did like the fucking re-edit on that much dank channel. Yeah, this shit funny as hell. I'd be fucking with this shit.

This shit, be hilarious. That shit was funny, even though I was looking at it. I'm like, I don't think we can repost this because it feels like they're trying to get on his ass a little bit too much. I see this shit was weird as hell. They make it so perfect. It looks like this what the nigger really be saying. I know, right?

Yeah, that was pretty hilarious. So how much is not being able to tour fucking your shit up? I mean, it's like, it really just misses with, like, oh, no, it's like not being able to see your fans, like, not being able to react with your fans. Like, I don't know. It ain't much so as, like, the money, because I know, like, that's come. That's going to come. But, like, it's just being able to interact with your fans.

So you got to do it a different way, like, through, like, Zoom and all this shit. like this shit just be weird when you can just you know you use that meeting greets and shit they're right in your face you're taking pictures out of you know this one I'm a custom to right so when they slow down it's like at first I was at first when I was doing shows I was like down like I look he wanted a little break or something and then I got the break then I asked for this shit I ain't it I want to do some of those shows with me back on the road right because like every rapper's life is basically segmented into like touring and recording and now it's this weird thing where like everybody's just got all the time in the

to record but no the touring options up the window. And there ain't no way you can express it out. Like, there ain't no way to perform it. That should be weird. Do you think you would be dropping the album this early in your career if it wasn't for the break that you've had from touring and stuff? Because probably a lot of the time that you spent recording this album is time that you would have spent running around doing shows getting paid in the short term.

Yeah, I feel like, shit. I feel like if a show made me focus up more to like go ahead and get my shit out, because at first like it was a lot going on I couldn't focus on like me more to say I couldn't really just find out like you know what I wanted like what I really wanted because it was just so much going on and I feel like the time it was like it's like it's like it's like it's like a whole testimony with me dropping my album bro for real because it's like I was losing myself through it and then right towards the end like when I'm from drop it I found myself like really I don't know it's just weird like how God bless you like because this is like this is

something I prayed for like December 2019 pray for this shit I said I just wanted like a healthy I wanted a healthy um pregnancy and I wanted a number one album and I said guys you can make my whole year hell my 2020 was like hell really I just wanted them two blessings you give all my blessings somebody else and shit man I feel like like there's what I said that day December 2019 last day of December my whole year like it really deal like I don't know it's been there what I said so but everything's good with the kid oh yeah so healthy pregnant down that's great to know so it's for healthy pregnancy and then album and then i just figured out it's just oh no i just been figuring out more i like working at like it's just been way

way more positive way but i just know everything going to work out you know because it just be feeling like it already worked out for you right like in a lot of ways you got a lot to be thankful for there's a lot of people going broke and losing all kinds of shit they can't go to work that kids can't go to school they got to be chilling with the kids all day in the house and shit like you really kind of puts into perspective how good the way that the situation has worked out has been right so definitely um you know my first kid's popping out in like two months i waited like 20 years longer than you but you're still first good still on one or is that your second kid i forget my first one all right and so it's going good is well i mean at first at first the baby mama thing

was not good. You guys had some drama on the timeline and stuff a little bit. I mean, shit. I guess that's how it be. I mean, oh, I don't know. I don't need, like, talking like this. I don't know. But you addressed her on the album a little bit.

You addressed her on the album a little bit. Just called it toxic real quick. Yeah, for sure. You got to, like, I mean, with music, it's just all, you always got to be all the way thorough with your music because I don't know your fans hearing you all day. I feel like when you put, like, what you go through, their personal's in there.

It kind of helped them like understand you better so they'll know when they see you like sometimes like, damn, he probably don't be in the move for certain things, you know. Or like it helped them understand you to where when they meet you, it's like they already know you. You know, that's the type of music I always been wanting to make.

Besides the hype, murder, murder, murder music, all that shit. Sometimes I really be wanting to get back to like, you know, my life. You know, that's where we come from. This is Memphis murder. That's how we see. That's how we know.

But at the same time, sometimes you get lost in life for getting this more of life than it. Like, I'm trying to, like, I'm trying to make some positive-ass shit. I want to make some reggae shit. Like, I'm all this shit. I don't, that's how I'd be feeling. Like, I don't know. I just want to be different. Right, yeah, because I've noticed that your music is kind of taken, like, two different paths.

Like, you have the super aggressive stuff, but then you've also sort of dipped your toe into doing a lot more, like, melodic shit, fucking with the auto tune and everything like that. Like, is that, like, what is it that? But what is it that makes you want to go in that other direction when so much of the stuff that you've gotten super popular for has been like the super aggressive turned up street music? I mean, because sometimes like I feel like it's like growth. You got to show growth. I ain't really just, I ain't really trying to be out there and shoot nobody no more.

I got a daughter. You know, I was like it was crazy though. Like before I had my daughter while I was still blowing up, I was like, I was still having that I don't give a fuck mentality. like I take it there anybody who want to do like come on like this how I was but then and my daughter I was like mine the fuck I'm doing all these I'm gonna be I'm be here or here and I ain't gonna be able to be in her life if I'm there or there so I say I ain't gonna do that yeah I know so many people who have kids while they're locked up and shit and they're like miss

huge percentages of their kids for childhood and everything and I mean that's got to be one of the worst things to like jail's got to be bad enough but jail when you know that you're missing out on these priceless moments with your kid. I mean, that's got to be about the worst thing that you could imagine. Yeah, especially when you really want to be the, like, this is where it really hurt. That's where it's going to hurt that the most. Like, when you want to be that, when you really want to be with your kid, when you really want to be that, when you want to be in her life or his life, when you want to do everything,

where you want to be able to change that power, when you want to have that skin and skin, when you want to read to her, all that shit, when you really want to do that, and you know, in a moment of the second, like, somebody play with you to where you can't do that, it'll fuck you up. Can you see yourself doing that though? You see yourself walking away from some disrespect or just ignoring it or whatever because of the fact that you just know that you have so much to lose now. And you're going to lose it if you're beefing with people, they ain't got shit to lose.

And to them getting a little bit of cloud off of talking some shit to you or whatever is like, that's a big thing to them. Like their priorities are all fucked up compared to where you've gotten to in your life. I just feel like you change your way of thinking. You want to put yourself in there predicting. You think positive. You think positive. You remember.

Positive don't come. I don't, I be, shit, I don't be having, I don't be having no negative thoughts. If I do, I'd make sure that motherfucker go in the box, lock the hell up, go positive, stay positive. But you changed the pamper? I still haven't changed the diaper, so I don't know exactly what that's going to be like. Yeah, I changed one for sure. It's weird, but especially if you have a girl, like, you're a man, that shit kind of weird. I was like, hey, I'm not, I ain't want to do it at first.

But then it was like, man, you're the dad-dad. You got to have to do this shit. That's your daughter. Right. Should be weird, though. I mean that if you have a son, though, that they'll shoot pee on your face while you're trying to change the diaper so that in a way the daughter is better because you're not going to get a piss, like, hitting you in the face, which is, I mean, that sounds good, I guess, to not

have to deal with that. Yeah, for sure. I don't want no peace in my face. Hey, what, okay, so what, in terms of the album, what was it important that you wanted to get across on this project in terms of, like, you know, really expressing, like, who you are at this point in your career as an artist and everything. What was the statement that you wanted to make with this album? I just got done, listen to the advanced copy. Pretty much, I just wanted to pretty much know that, like, I'm not, you know, I'm different.

Like, I could show versatility, but at the same time I sat at it, it's like, oh, no, what I'm trying to say? I'm thinking my answer for, because I had an answer, it just be losing me sometimes. But, man, shit. When that, that's a question one more time. In terms of this album, like just what you wanted to get across in terms of, you know, people feel like they know you from watching the music videos, heard the EP, the shorter projects you put out before. But in terms of like your first album, it's got to be a big statement. It's just you, I feel like you got to know, like, I feel like you got to cover everything.

Like with their debut album, you got to cover, like, every aspect of your life to where it just set the tone. You know, it can set the tone for, like, what you're going to do in the future? Like what type of music gonna make in the future? Like, what you're gonna do in the future? I just feel like the debut album and set that tone. Like, I had to, for sure, put it, like, I had to talk about Montduce and now.

I had to talk about my family on there. I had to talk about pops. I had to talk about relationships. I had to put all that in now. So, I don't know. I guess to kind of move on to more positive. Like, put all that in there in now. And that's why I feel like the last song,

like the depression song, It's just something, it was like, it's real positive in a way because the proceeds I'm taking for the song, I'm going to donate. Oh, really? Like some of the proceeds to like Mr. I'm into it and this is all this stuff. So that's how I kind of ended the album off with most positive, like real positive. Yeah, have you been affected by seeing all the protesting and this lot of videos of police brutality and stuff that have been going viral? It feels like it's really kind of changed the tone in the whole country over the past couple months. Has that been something like you're young, but is that something that's really really?

kind of stood out to you as changing your perspective? I mean, at first, at first when I was looking at it, because a person like me, like, blood, blood, dead bodies, like, just anything like that, it kind of, like, a person like me is, make you feel some type of weight, like, in your head and in your stomach. Like, you'll get this feeling. I can't really explain it.

It's just a real discomforting feeling, like, when you don't really seem, like, a lot of trauma and shit. Like, when you don't been out there, It's disconfident to see it, like, just through the phone type of shit. But, no, like, really when I've been looking at it lately, shit, I just be trying to stay positive with it. Right. Like, even though it's as negative as it can get, I just feel like this shit is just to be put in your face so it can be negative. So you can have a negative thought.

That I'd be looking at this shit. I'd be meditating this shit. I don't, I'd be looking around this shit. You really meditate? Yeah, for sure. That's interesting. I look around it. That's a really good habit.

And I found that with myself, too, that if you can find the time to be away from your phone, away from everything and even just have like 20 minutes of silence, that that'll really go a long way in terms of cleaning your head. Just trying to not think about what's going around you. Like an hour just doing it. Like, you can ask my mama, I was just laying on the couch. I was laying on the couch, right? It was my mom and a lot of people. It was a bunch of people in the room. I was just laying on the couch for an hour.

I wasn't moving and none They thought I was sleep The whole time I was meditated And then they was like When I got up the first thing I said Y'all think I was just sleep I asked everybody and said what y'all think I was just doing They said man yeah well knocked out you was knocked out of this

I said I said bro I was up I heard everything I was saying I said but I was still like focusing on meditating but at the same time I was hearing everything like it's on me out But I was still in my own world Right And peace like

Like, I was pieced out. But when I got up, I knew everything was going on. I was alert. I knew what Dick Sean had just said. I knew what Mama just said. I knew Mama was just watching my documentary. I knew it's like, and then it brought a type of energy to you. You bring an energy to you to where it's like nobody really bringing this shit down.

Do you feel overwhelmed quite often? Because, I mean, you got a lot of people working for you, a lot of people on the team and stuff. A lot of people who there, like if you were to say, fuck this, rap shit, I'm not doing it anymore. It wouldn't just affect you. It would affect a whole bunch of other people. like pressure get to you at times especially being that you are so young it was getting to me at first until until i started taking the time out of my day like when i took the time out my day to do that breathe get your breathing right and understand breathe shit in you start to realize like your thoughts

like you put that anxiety in that box you put all that shit in their box and know that like that ain't true you ain't got that you're you're good that's how you think it's like you start to you start to think of your thoughts of like you already have them so you start to talk like you already have what you want everything you want you talk as if I already got it like oh I got it already like let's just say you want this car I got this car by the end of the year I got that car by the end of the year just saying shit like that punishing universe like shit like that it changed everything like it changed the whole thing like I was overwhelmed as fuck I was like dance you know sometimes I was like I wanted to be alone I

I'm trying to figure out why I'd be wanting to be alone so much. Like, this is when my mind was telling me my mind, my body. I'm like, I want to be alone. But at the same time, when I get up, when I wake up, I want to still be able to see my niggas and shit. Like, but at the same time, I want some alone time to be able to, you know, be with myself. And I never figured out how I got there until I meditated.

Like, it wasn't locking yourself in the room going to sleep or something. Like, they weren't getting the alone time. I got in there when I meditated though It's like It's just you and you You have thoughts And you control them

You just You just It opened you up for sure And it's got to stand out a lot too Because now you have the life that you have But up until A couple years ago You could

You had all the free time in the world You could have gone off and done whatever And it's like there's not going to be That many people Depending on you or relying on you Not to mention you You can walk down the store And people ain't gonna recognize you

Or not like you know now you know everything's different for you like you walking into the 7-11 is a thing yeah for so i don't know if you're even going in the 7-11 you still go in the 7-11 yeah we're going to send somebody in give me some skittles yeah i'd be in the car oh yeah because i've seen a clip of Gucci man like in like the grocery store and his girl captioned it like this motherfucker ain't even been in a grocery store in so many years it's like weird as fuck for him to be in that but like once you get famous like does it feel like kind of a prison almost because you are limited and so much shit that you can do?

Um, I don't know, like, I just feel like it's certain, I just feel like it's certain shit, like you should move a certain way to where, I don't know, I just feel like you should move a certain way to where you shouldn't,

I really don't know, because shit, I be, I used to go everywhere, when I used to just go everywhere by myself and shit, try to wander out from my security and shit, and just be with my gun and shit, I find trouble, like,

every time, like, I just, it was all negative. I was, I had had a whole drug, Jericho tucked on me in the mall with my coat and shit, just me and one more person like a girl or some, while I'm still in that Leachauper, it's just all the way negative. Like, you just can't, you just can't move like that. I just, that's what I figured out.

I mean, you ain't being, you ain't no ho. You ain't know, you know what you would do, but shit, we don't smoke shit. Right. Trying the world. That I'd be nothing like, shit, I don't need to be totally, gosh. Yeah.

No more, like. Them ho's around me, but. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've seen so many of the rappers that we love just end up locked up over some shit that realistically probably didn't have to happen, given the

way that they were capable of moving around at that time. Yeah, so. Is it ever weird because, like, you came out with such an aggressive style that maybe your fans, like, do you ever feel like they, do they appreciate when you expand outside of your usual subject matter that you kind of blew

up off of? Or do you feel like sometimes it could be a struggle to get them to really embrace you widening your horizons and opening up who you are sometimes they might want to really just see you as this like character this comic book character that's just crazy as fuck talking about shooting shit up i mean it's cool but it's cool to talk about that like shit i might go make a shoot-em-up son the night i might i might i might go back home look at my look at a gun pick it up just to look at it but the end of the day i ain't going to get carried away that ain't the purpose or like you know like that ain't the purpose like all that shoot them a son

boom boom bind bind and this isn't the purpose we're trying to get bigger like on some bigger shit that's fly that you just casually spun the chain like that I saw that I'm my fault that was cool that's what it's for but shit like I don't know like it's just I might go back look at that motherfucker but like you know I love guns don't get me wrong it's just having I don't know when you have them all you you get a you get an energy to it I don't know it just be an energy towards you that you don't want because it's like you got it on you so you like I already thinking like I can't get you hear me I can't get caught like like this is your thought like you got a gun on you first thing you're gonna think I'm like oh just you're supposed to use it

this how this how I think like I know I'm quick to you my gun so that's why I don't have that whole like I dare in her face one of my cameramen's like like there was just little shit telling me like you you too you too treat like you shot the cameraman by accident no no he walked up to the car he jolo shot by jollo he he came popped up at the car like we was shooting the music video he walked up to the um backseat like and i know me feeling i thought somebody was walking up to the car it was in my lap and i real quick like it was jolo and i'm like damn i'm like you bullshit boy i just had a hit i just had a face shot on your ass like that's how i was trying to say but i was like really i'm booishing because first off then if if i was jollo

what you know you can't shoot the camera man you know what i don't shoot the camera man you know what i He can't shoot the shooter. So I was just like, I don't know. I just been changing my thinking. If my niggas are towed guns and shit, they'll tote it. But me, me, I don't need, I just did this show on me. You got. I just be breathing.

So probably the biggest song already off the project is the Walk-em-down one with Roddy. How did that come about? And that song, like, to me, is definitely probably one of the best songs you ever put out. That was like an instant one that you could just imagine you can be hearing for years and years to come. I just feel like it relates to all types of people. Like, as far as like, you can't even, you only really focus on what I'm talking about in the song.

Like, I listen to Walk them Down and I'd be like, you know, you won't even realize that I'm just talking about, like, some murder shit. Like, it's so much of a vibe, the energy I gave on there. It's like everybody can. And then the dance, like, that's where I'm talking about, like, positivity. Like, really? I took, like, Walk him down. We know we'll walk them down, me.

But I made a dance to it to where you could take away from that. So, like, kids could turn up with it instead of just, you know, walk them down. So it was like a dance. So everybody, kids, older people, whoever. And their motherfucker did, honey meal and four months. Right. That shit, all that fuck. Did that song exist?

And then you hit up Roddy to get on it? Or were you guys in the studio together? How did that happen? It was in the studio together. I had DM'd him and I was just like I didn't even know he was gonna come through this was like this was a while ago this was before like this before he even dropped the antisocial album and he's got his car his social album oh really so this was before he got as big as he's gotten now yeah it was before then it was before I even dropped like some shit I dropped this was like oh no

it was it was damn I can't I ain't good with dates and shit I wish I had a date that's what I'm looking for I'm like damn what's a date I need a calendar or some shit but yeah it was when he came through we just got this shit done but I had always looked up to rad like a motherfucker because I was bumping I bumped that motherfucker I can't talk for shit but what's the goddamn album the one the streets right it was on spin real I used to bump this shit every morning right that young all of them son's and he's kind of like he makes the kind of music that you've been sort of experimenting with like transitioning into doing a little bit more melodic stuff and everything like that you feel like doing a collaboration with him sort of helped you

to work on that different style that you've been. This is for sure what I said. I said, I'm thankful and I'm blessed to where I had a song, a melodic song, and finally blow, like, to where, because I was going to my label, I'm like, I'm telling the label and shit. I'm like, man, I ain't gonna lie. I don't like making a hit song like that all day.

Like, I like to use my voice. I got a voice. God gave me a voice. I feel like I can sing. It's emotional. That's how I'm going in the studio. I can sing. I can do all there.

I got a voice. Sometimes you can't use that if you just, if you're talking about this, if you're locked in the box, talking about this one thing, sometimes you got to, I don't know, you got to change the way you say shit, change the way you do, change your flow. When you change this shit up, I feel like a lot of more people gravitate to it.

And then, like, when you explain why you're doing it, when you explain that you want to be creative, your creativity, because everybody, everybody got to be creative. Like, you can't be locked in one. You got to put all your heads different baskets. Right. We've seen that with a million artists over the years and shit

where if you don't, like, continually experiment and go outside the box of what you've been doing is very unlikely that you're going to stay as popular as you were. They want to see the growth. That's like the number one thing with the fans. Yeah, you got to trust you. You got to trust and have faith and keep saying you're going to get better. Fuck. Don't fuck.

Because, hey, listen, this is what I did. I was like experimenting. I'm like, I'm dropping different melodic songs until one of them bitches blow up. I'm going to keep doing it. Like, I ain't, when they was like, I missed the old chop, I want to hear the hype songs. I'm looking at it. I'm reading and I'm like, all right but I'm still

keep dropping this because I'm trying to I know what I can do with the hype songs now I just but now it's like I know what I can do with every song that's how I carry myself was like I know it I got it right that's crazy because I remember like seeing you dropping some songs that maybe only did

a couple million views on YouTube or whatever which for you is not necessarily that crazy and then that's like the one that sort of like broke through and like maybe convinced a lot more of your fans like oh we can get this type of energy from him not just the the shooter energy. Yeah, because I did like, I did the exotic.

I did the roll-up, exotic. I don't know if you heard that something, but I was trying something different with that one. I felt like that was going to do a lot, but it did like 10 million a month, 10 million a month. It's still good, but like I was just, you know, I'd be one. You got different standards at this point, huh? It did 7 mil in a month.

Now it's 10 mil. Usually I have to be trying to aim it to 10 mil or something. But it did 7, 6 mil, and I was like, okay, there's progress. That was fucking with it. It was fucking way. But that was without my Instagram and shit too. So I was like, for sure.

You're still Instagram lists right now, right? Yeah. What the fuck did you do that they apparently felt like you needed to go? Oh, no. Fuck no. Make my own out. Yeah. But so what?

You're holding it down on Twitter and Facebook maybe? Yeah, for sure. Instagram, you're just over it. You just quit? You gave up? I mean, I'd be on my, I'd be on, um, some spam pages or something. Okay, yeah. Or I'd be on my nigger page

Everybody got offensive But shit Do a little lurking with it Yeah do a little like I just look at shit Look at But shit A net phone I'd just be trying to stay off my phone

Really I make my own way up But do you think that What was it? Like guns Were you posting some sexual shit Like what was it? They said

I don't know I was personally I posted like I remember when famous I was going up I remember I had like a twerk contest to that one And then they said something about I posted a girl that was underage.

Oh, what? Some shit. You're like I'm underage? Something like that. Revenge porn or something, they call it. I think that's what they call it. Really? They put that on there and then I had a lot of stuff to tell me out.

Somebody talking out, I was shooting, you know, that situation. Right. It was just a lot of stuff, so. That's crazy. You got the label, like, trying to duke it out with Instagram a little bit, because I feel like the label should be able to finesse that, right? Yeah. too but shit at a certain point you just got to be like fuck it man I don't need be

oh okay this I feel like when you get caught up in this shit you live a you live in the type of world that like this shit kind of help me more really honestly because it's like you living in a you living in a world that don't fucking matter um like this why I kind of ain't date certain bitches no more like if a whole time I hope following is and all this not is like right you focus on the wrong stuff Especially it's different because you are somebody who has millions of followers. So you've kind of seen it all. So when you see somebody who's like really shamelessly trying to climb that fucking clout totem pole.

That ain't it, boy. Yeah. I ain't need. That's why you need a girl who's seen some shit. She's been around long enough that she don't feel like, you know, you're just a lick. Because you're a lick to a lot of girls in terms of just pure clout. They don't got to steal something. They just got to steal that.

They just got to get a pick with your ass or anything. man. For sure. It's a weird feeling, right? This, you're gonna never be happy living in the world. That's what I realized. You gotta have, you gotta work on yourself, like, meditate. That's what help me.

That would really help me open on my head for a lot of shit, for sure. That's good. Like, I don't need to live in the world. Like, I don't even get caught up in that shit. Right. Like, Instagram, I don't, because I know, I know, like, at first when they took it, I was like, damn. End of the world.

I'm like, hold up, bro. This down there, it weren't all I knew, but it was the main app I knew how to work to get, where my fans to like, get my fans to really be tuned in and work at, like I was getting more views than anybody with three million. I had three million, three point seven million followers. I was getting a million, two million views on videos

and shit when nobody doing it. Mm. 600 likes, 600 K likes. I was doing that. I was so caught up in that shit, I thought that shit matter. It don't need matter because guess what? I don't got platinum plaques and gold plaques without that bitch.

Without it, because I'm like, I'm like, bro, man, what you want, bro? It's already this thing for you, fool. Oh, this should be distractions. It'd be distractions to kind of throw you over. It's the ground. They make you feel like you need this shit. I need that ground for my music. I need this.

I need this. I need this. I need this shit. Might help you be a little bit more mysterious too, where sometimes with Instagram you might be giving them a little bit too much of your life, right? Yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, you could use that bitch, but at the end of the day, you use it for, you use it, for what you use it for?

You use it. Just like, just like it's using you, you use it back. You use it like to help, like with your platform. I hear it. Use it back. It's facts. What was it like going to Jordan Downs? Seeing you on Blockboy out there.

I was like, nice. He tapped in in the motherland, yeah. So you got to. Yeah. That was my second time. Okay. So I went to, Rich and Peace to the Homerswerev.

I went to Swerve, friend on. Okay. And we shot a video out there, music video. The cops chased you out of there at one point? Like, that was, that was, uh, bro, I ain't gonna lie. We had a pro, before all that protest and shit started happening. Right, that was before that, yeah. It was like, it was pretty much like that.

It was like, I synced it for what happened. Like, I synced that, like, the police officers kind, They had the rubber bullets. They had the shields, all that. That's how they came to us. I was like, damn. And then three weeks later, I'm like, they're protesting and this shit and that's crazy.

I'm like, and I was just driving around out there. I was like, this is exactly how they were just in the hood with us. Right. But shit, it was really fun. This is why I said, you'd be puzzled. Shit, we was having fun. I wasn't think not one minute that they was like, nothing was going to go wrong.

I was just having fun. We just turning up. Look. Everybody's showing love out there though and stuff. What was the vibe like? The vibe be cool. Oh, yeah. You just got a vibe with the road. You got to know who to talk to me with. I mean, everybody cool. Sometimes, most times, they don't be thinking that people don't be wanting to talk. I mean, if you have good energy show that you want to talk, everybody going to, you know, gravitate to that.

You know, you go in there. You're going to timid. You don't want to talk. You're looking. I'm going to eat you alive. You got going, you know. Right. What's you and Bop boys, for instance? like you guys became closer over the past year it did my boy it's like he's been my boy since like before I blew up right benefit like I used to get on his live on Instagram live I used to um and we just used to roast each other I used to check the shit out around like we just used to go at it but like I used to tell him like when we used to get out the live I used to DM him but he never met me he never met me though I just be like bro watch

this I say I'm gonna be up there with you one day bro I diem to him uh um behover I blew up I them some old rappers like that. Like, I bet if you was to go, if I was, get my Instagram type shit, and I can go to certain DMs, I like told certain rappers that now, then I'm down there bigger than I told him like, I was gonna be, I was gonna be there.

God, like, I don't want to say the other rapper, but it was another rapper I had told that. And he fell off, no, you're big? He didn't fall off. Oh, okay. He'll be big, but I know what I'm dissing for. Right. I just know.

Yeah, because I'm not gonna lie, when you first started coming out, I was like, damn, I wonder how Blockboy feels about this, because this is clearly like the new dancing ass rapper out of his city. I was like, I wonder if they're gonna be cool or not. Nah, like, if you from Memphis, you know, like, he's a Memphis, nigga.

It ain't like, from the outsiders, outside's gonna be like, chop a block copycat. That's how they'll be. She can't let this sheet, you know, it's Memphis. Everybody doing this shit, shit. You guys both going down in history when it comes to the history of Memphis rap and in particular motherfuckers who made a dent dancing block paved away for that because i feel like

niggas in memphis was scared memphis so gangster memphis so motherfucking gangster bro right niggas if you dance like like david you know niggas ain't trying to dance niggas be too serious but like oh god memphis when block came out with no chorus part six and he started dancing he got their energy going like for memphis everybody was like oh shit okay You know, everybody was like, everybody started bringing their jook and then all that shit back out. Like, it's cool. They made it. He made it more cool.

The shit moves so fast that I see, like, kids dancing the shit on TikTok and they start busting the block boy dance. And I'm like, man, like, that kid probably don't even remember when that shit was some crazy new shit that we were all seeing on Instagram or in the music videos. Everybody really should go watch no chorus, like one through 14 or whatever the fuck you stop because that's all just classic shit. Oh, yeah. For sure, for sure, for sure.

That's pretty much what. This is a childhood ban. Like, even though I'm still a damn child pretty much. 14, 14, 13, 2013, 2016, Block. 2016 and 17, bro, Blockboy had Memphis jumping, bro. Every party, dream balls out of this shit. Block had this shit gone. He had this shit gone, for show.

Facts. You mentioned your documentary earlier, your film that you got coming out. What's that all about? It pretty much is getting a better perspective of me. I feel like it helped. it helped understand. I feel like my music help you understand me. The doc don't help you understand me.

Everything is like, it's just a better understanding to me. To go back to that question, when you ask me, what do I want people to get after an album? Just a better understanding of the chop. Just pretty much knowing me. I respect that for sure.

So when I'm listening to the album today, a couple of lyrics stood out to me. This is one of them. I'm blowing exotic, but I ain't chilling with Joe. I'm blowing exotic. But I ain't chilling with joke Your lion, Your lion king

It took over if my Nah, shit too And fuck Hey look, let me redo it We gotta blur something I look at look I just know they're gonna make a dank job I'm just look there to come

I'm like They gonna make some bank and shit To these mo' fuck You saw it happening right there Like god damn I bitch I'm blowing exotic But I ain't chilling with joke Yo tiger king it took over

If my lions turn poke That shit hold That was hard I freestyle too I don't know how to fuck I got to be getting in their pockets sometimes and say some shit to make you be like, hmm, off a freestyle.

I do it, though. I don't know. That's hard, though. I feel like Joe Exotic resonated with a lot of different people in the rap community, really the whole country. Because that was right when Corona hit, everybody bored in the house, and then all of a sudden, Joe Exotic.

We got a new hero. Free Joe's at him, man. He gangsters to a certain extent. He's bullishing with the phones and shit, but this is where it got him, the finals and shit, but hey, free Joe. No, that documentary was a movie. Like that one thing that still haunts me was the scene where the guy shoots himself in the head

and they don't, they have the footage from the other angle of the dude watching him. Yeah, that was crazy. Insane. This crazy is head. I forgot about this. Do you believe they had that footage? I was just like, what? Like, that is the craziest thing about that whole thing is that they had so much unbelievable video of it.

Yeah. I don't know. She'd be like, that shit like that'd be weird when they had too much of certain shit. Well, because he thought he was going to be a reality star. He was like trying to like make this content. He didn't know that it was going to, I mean, ultimately, the documentary basically, like, made him look like the hero or the story, whether he was or not, you know? For sure.

Kind of crazy. That's the best thing. You should really just do that. Just have a camera crew falling you around for, like, a reality show, like, keeping up with the Kardashians, keeping up with the chopdashians or something shit like that. That might make sense, right? Everybody would say, I'm going to do that, bro. I'm from the gun.

I'm going to make, like, some type of, I got to do this. I'm speaking to this. I don't make, like, some type of my, cameraman, Ben Mark was just saying it. It's like a little subscribing channel to you. Just to be more in my life. Like a day to day, you probably play something like $5.99 a month. Like little shit like that just to help and then like at the same time, own it yourself.

So ownership. I wanna, this one I'm from the start focus on a lot of ownership. I wanna, I wanna own a lot of shit. I wanna own, I wanna own, I wanna own that own website. Whatever website I'm using, I ain't trying to go to, like he said, only fans, man, fuck only fans. That's what I was saying. I'm like, you have your behind the scenes, vlogs,

Are you only fans? Yeah, I'm like, man, fuck that. There's chopper fans. Make an app or some shit. Yeah. See? Could work. Turn the wheel.

They're doing some shit like that. That's facts. I mean, like, Soldier Boy made his own video game system. Why can't chop have his own app? So. There it is. We got an idea. We've got a business we're going to get into.

This also stood out to me. You say that you were a fuck on a girl, a girl on a period until their pussy turned a ragu. I'm like, what is this dude doing in the studio thinking of like this. I said, if she on her period, her pussy turn of ragu, sometimes you gotta get that little dog. I ain't ain't go count.

Right. No, that's love right there, though. Hey, but if it's too heavy, nah. Like, nah. But, I mean, if it's light, then it's good. I've been with my girl for four years, man. I was starting swimming in the menstrual seas. I'm not scared.

I'll get in there, man. The ragu. The ragu. What's going on? What happened? Oh, no, that's cool. What? Oh, no, I couldn't hear it.

There's like, I guess they're doing street cleaning outside or some shit like that, a vacuuming or something. It's all good. Yeah, I respect that, though. You know, my girl been pregnant for like seven months, though. I forgot about periods. I ain't seen a period in Mad long. Ain't heard about it.

Nothing. Yeah, okay. So I see your whole team's masked up. How often do you rocking the mass? You didn't really got into it? Do you think the world's going to turn back to normal anytime soon? Yeah. Just fingers crossed?

I know, yeah. You know what's going to happen? We got to be positive. I'll meditate on this day. We're definitely meditating. I respect that, yeah. Everybody. Our humans are linked together.

If we all be positive, everybody will be on some positive shit. We can overcome all their negative shit. Do you see that in the long run for yourself? That NLE CHOP is not going to be just a rapper, but you're going to be just a force for change in the world. For sure, because that's what it's all about. This is what God puts you in a position to, you know,

that's why you hear. Help. Like, help. Change the world. We're trying to do that. Like, because it's fucked up right now. Right. You can see, it's real fucked up.

I feel like this is where you need change it the most right now. During this time, you need the most change. It's fucked up. But it's interesting because you growing up, you probably saw a lot of shit from the cops and stuff in terms of the system that you were a part of and stuff, but you might not have necessarily thought that there was anything, any realistic chance that shit was going to change, right?

Yeah, I was thinking like that then. I was like, man, at first I was like, man, the world for the end. That's how I was thinking. I was thinking like the world's from there and type of shit. But I'm like, man, hell now, it's time to change the world. Like, that's how I've been thinking. Right. It ain't from the end.

It's time to change. And now it's like we're seeing a whole new generation that's a lot more optimistic about the idea that things can change. Like, when I was a kid, it was much more like, oh, the cops are fucked up. Well, this is how it is. Like, there's nothing you could do about it. I hate when, I'd be hearing people like to say that. Like, I was just talking my nigga about the yesterday.

He's like, man, you can't change everybody. Everybody can't get on. I'm like, man, how you know? Like, how you know, because I ain't nobody trying. You ain't had no, you ain't had like no rapper that's really just trying to push that shit. Besides wearing out of the jerk. Yeah, this cool. Hey, look at me.

I'm shining. But hey, look at it. You're going to see it. You're going to see it. But, hey, I'm going to tell you something. Right. This shit don't even matter. Why are you looking at it?

I really need to stop wearing it sometimes. I'd be like, shit. It don't even matter. I just do it because, hey, I like that white gold, but I ain't focused on the shit. He ain't seeing me. Hey, let me go get this new. Hey, let me go get this. Let me go get this.

Like, this is a gift. Death Row. This a gift. Who gave that, dude? Shug? Then I bought, I bought, I bought these. I bought six chains for everybody. But these two, these gifts.

I ain't anybody. You feel like your fans would look down on you to a certain extent if you weren't wearing new jewelry from time to time? And you think that they might take that and be like, oh, he broke. You only got a new jewelry. You don't got new clothes, et cetera. Because that really, like, I feel like some fans are quick to jump to conclusions like that. I ain't, no, I ain't a lot of richest people don't even be wearing this shit. That's true.

The richest people, they don't even be, really, the richest people don't even be wearing this shit. They realize, they realize, like, I realize, you don't mean nothing but shit. I can realize that on me, no, but still, where it just, because I like the way it looked. But it's not to the point to where, like, I got to have, I rather invest or something. I'd rather do this. I'm trying to, I'm trying to, man, I'm trying to go buy a neighborhood. I want a neighborhood or apartment complex. Who they all about me, my dudes, family.

Right. Let's go get an apartment complex. This is what I've been thinking about. I want an apartment complex. Well, let's get a neighborhood. Let's get some land. You know? Like, think about when Nipsey passed, and like, the whole conversation was,

look at how he bought all these businesses in his neighborhood and, like, really tried to contribute to his local ecosystem. I mean, that's the kind of thing where, like, you know, he could have had more chains. He could have had more clothes or whatever, and ain't nobody going to really remember that or talk about that. But when you could do something that, you know, gives opportunities and directly connects with the people around you and stuff, that goes a lot further. Oh, yeah, for sure.

It'll go a lot further and like, like, it'll for so go a lot further. You'll be respected more. Like, it goes away because instead of being like something, instead of just getting down and laying down, you're getting up. You want to change shit like, I ain't never been no pussy. Right. Change it with, if something don't feel right, change this shit. You'll fuck about who feel, whoever feels like, whoever feels about it.

You got to change this shit because shit don't be right at all. Great. So I just be like, fuck this shit. I feel you. There's not that many features on the album, but Little Baby's one of the other ones. Was that just somebody that you happen to be around, or is that just somebody you really wanted to get on the project? I met Baby, like, I met Baby a few times. I had conversations with baby. He always been, like, one of them people, like, that I always fucked with.

And even before I blew that, I wanted to fuck with that, I looked up to in a way. Like, that shit came about. Like, the way it came about, though. He sent the open verse. We ain't do it in the studio, but it was just, I'm real thankful for their feature pretty much because, like, I don't know. It's like, the baby, bro.

I just, I just been trying to. I'm saying, that shit. Weird as fuck, the fuck. I'm getting, I fucking carried away. I'm hearing shit. But shit, like, I don't know. Little baby was like, I always wanted a little baby feature type shit. Right.

I guess it's how you look at it. He's somebody that just seems like they got so much popularity and also so much respect in the game right now. And he's also somebody that really kind of transcends making a song like emotionally scarred. He's like he's a hard-ass rapper, but then he's also like really touching on like, you know, emotional shit. And like going outside the realm of what you might have thought he was going to be capable of a year or two ago. Yeah, he's growing. Yeah, that's why I'd be looking at the science.

I'm like, shit. Trying to grow too. Everybody got to grow. Shit. And I ain't going to lie what's crazy is it's like all the features. on my album. It's like, I don't know. In a way, like, I don't know. I got those features before they had, like, we all know Rowdy and Little Baby. Who is that feature on, Rowdy? Milotto. Yeah, Milotto. Milado been having a great year, too. Every feature I got, like, they've been having

a great year. And it was like before, it was before, like, they had that year type shit. That's why I'm like, now, I'm so glad. Like, I ain't really want no features on my album. I ain't want too many. I ain't want that many on my album. And I was like, but the ones I do have they have outstanding years for. They should like a blessing like, I don't know. I don't know if there's a couple of instances. It's just the features I got, they all had great years. Right.

I fuck with it. It's all timing. So you got to be patient. That's real. You got anything dropping with Cole Bennett on the Lyrical Eminated channel anymore? That's a lot of your heat has blown up on that channel. For sure. I was talking to Cole.

I don't know. I feel like I feel like I was trying to get. like a lot I don't know I'm trying to be more hands on now like me and Cole we work we work when we work together I really I pretty much give him like he I provide him the song and he provided the treatment pretty much but sometimes like sometimes I'd be want to get creative I just did a treatment pretty much with me and Bittmore me and Bimard we came up with this treatment murder talk that I'm dropping when I'm dropping when I'm dropping murder talk today is it dropping at 12 yeah who dropped tomorrow I think or 12

one oh okay well when it dropped man me and ben mar we pretty much put it together and it's a movie like shit gonna be hard that's hard for sure um well i for sure gotta get one more in with cold son i gotta get another cold giant poke with cold definitely he's an angel bro a little cold a deal for sure he's been going crazy so many i mean that fucking juice world an m&m video he a chance he got a lot of wild shit under his belt this year he hard man um all right so the project will be out by the time and people can see this um go get that it's good man you already conquered youtube so i'm excited to see what the album sales are like and how people resonate with this project for sure so but i appreciate that for show for sure i appreciate you coming in my guy

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