No Jumper - No Jumper Show Ep. 189

Episode Date: March 15, 2023

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No Jumper coolest podcast on the world. My name is Adam 22. I'm in here wearing some fashion of slacks that I'm very, very proud of. These things feel incredible anyway. Obviously, there's been a lot of changes going on at No Jumper. A lot of it happening basically in a real time, situations that are, you know, pretty out of control. And I have drawn together a crew of people today. When I say crew, I mean two people.

court who has moved out to L.A. and we were already planning on working together. And then bootleg Kave, who I'm going to suggest, is kind of like a substitute teacher in this role here where I don't know. I accept your substitute teacher. I just needed a book. I needed somebody to, you know, kind of bounce stuff back and forth with somebody who's maybe to a certain extent kind of like a independent person in all this.

Yes. Fair enough. Let me tell you how bad I feel for this guy. because I convince him to move out here and this is the kind of stuff that he showed up to. The first day. Wait, when did you get here?

I came straight here from the airport yesterday and I was here. I want to say three hours before he cracked off. Oh. Yeah, because he's been living in New York. And so I was very, very motivated to start podcasting with him at a certain point

just seemed like it was kind of urgent. And a lot of stuff has been going on since. I'm going to, I feel like It's fair to the fans that we kind of break it down in more depth. I don't know how closely you've been following this. Yeah, so obviously I'm, you know, I've known AD for like 10 years. So I, when I understand you fired Lush on the stream because of some, I'm not even on Discord, but some Discord shit. Let me explain this.

So, okay. Let's break it down, man. Lush, we've told him many different times throughout his time here that he's been doing a little too much in terms of communicating with the fans. now, I mean, obviously, communicating with the fans normally is a good thing. Right. You know, if I were to see you talking to people on Twitter or, you know, anything like that, for the most part, this is a good thing, right? But with Lush, it had kind of taken on a different character where there was like multiple

times or maybe just one time. I don't want to say multiple times. Where he's kind of like said stuff in the Reddit that multiple of us, me, AD, etc. We had told him, this is not good. This is not a good use of your time. This is not something that you should be doing, basically. is like, you know, going in the Reddit and, like, having these sort of, like, in-depth conversations and stuff.

It's like, he would, like, do a podcast, get a reaction live and then immediately be in the Reddit responding to everybody. Right. Which, to be honest, like, it's just not necessary. You know, it's like, these people, they're going to talk about you either way. Right. You don't have to jump in there and just feed yourself to the sharks. And that really is, ultimately, how this kind of ended up.

And then the Discord is, like, a whole other problem because there's, like, little insular communities of people who sort of, you know, have been grouping together and just talking about no jumper stuff, talking about the drama whatever. And for some reason, he's like, he felt the need to like get all up in that and just sort of be in these discord calls with the mods and everything like

that. And we had told him like, this is a waste of your time. This isn't not, like, this is going to be bad for you. And I had even had other people who are in these discord calls and stuff basically tell me that these people were essentially not all of them, but a lot

of these people on Discord, we're kind of like treating lush like a low cow. Now, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the low low cow slang, but the basic definition, maybe I should just pull it up because I know I screenshot it did it at some point. Not familiar. Yeah, at all. They don't say that. You never heard locoo. No.

No. No. Oh, okay. For me, yeah, okay, yeah, I probably should have specified that it does come from LOL.O.L. But, okay, the definition of a low cow on urban dictionary is a low cow is a person you get extensive laughs from who doesn't think or who doesn't know that they're being made fun of.

They can often think that they are admired for what they are doing, but secretly they're being laughed at constantly. Now, I'm not saying that lush was that to us, but I think it's pretty clear that from what I know about some of his conversations in the discord and stuff, that he was basically getting treated like that by some of these people who, to them, it was kind of like exhilarating that they had like an actual no jumper host who was down to have three hour conversations late at night in the discord with them. So there's like this whole underbelly of no jumper fans that are just in a chat room. Yeah.

And this one specifically was a voice chat. Okay. So I'm sure that he was popping into the discord regularly. There is a no jumper discord that I heard has been absolutely surging since all this stuff happened. They just told me that like 6,000 new people joined this like in the last 24 hours or something. Damn. So this is kind of like back in the day when you'd go into like an MSN chat.

room or some shit about a topic? Yeah, Discord like basically just allows you to create chat rooms and various kinds of chat rooms too where you can have a voice chat. You can have just like a plant. There's there's rooms that are open to the public where like the main no jumper Discord if you were to go to it right now is just going to be like five billion random no jumper fans slash people who are interested in this talking about God knows what, right? So these people are so dedicated to being fans of you guys that they're talking about it.

So they're probably super excited that somebody who's actually a part of the show. is in there shooting the shit. And probably if it was like someone like me or AD or T-REL who those people knew that we could control ourselves and that we would be acting in a responsible manner,

it would have been probably a little less exhilarating or a little bit like it wouldn't have been as fun for them because they wouldn't be necessarily of the opinion that they could get us to crash out, right? Whereas with the lush thing,

I feel like a big part, and I've heard this from some of these mods, a big part of what the appeal was was that they, they were kind of like gassing him up telling him different things and like really in this case trying to get secretive no jumper information out of him so full disclosure for the last couple months i had been contemplating in my head is it possible for me to switch up the tuesday show the lineup had been for like three years me a d and uh well for a while it was house phone

obviously, there's a meet AD, a house phone for years. Then a couple months ago, the house phone thing kind of fell out. And so T-Rail filled in for, I don't know, like three, four episodes or something like that. But this is something that I had been thinking about a lot where I just had kind of like, as time went by, I started to feel like me and AD didn't necessarily have the best podcast rapport. And I feel like a lot of people notice this in the chat and the comments in the sense that, you know, It's like for me to read comments on Sledgelords and see people saying like, wow, Adam seems like a totally different version of himself. He seems like he's having so much fun on here.

And then the Tuesday show, people are like, Adam seems like he's just getting annoyed by the way that those conversations going and everything like that. And it's just, you know, like me personally, I started to kind of dread it. And we started to record it Monday morning instead of Tuesday night. And I felt like maybe that would help is like, okay, if I do this earlier in the day where I have more energy, maybe that'll change things up. it ultimately ended up just being like you know i just kind of made the decision that like i have to switch up my cast right and i also kind of knew that it was very likely that if i told ad that i wanted him to just do the wed that t-rell as well would probably not want to stay on the t-rell as well because they kind of came to no jumper together right yeah it makes sense that could be kind of awkward

so you know then and this is this has nothing to do with court because court did not cause any of this for the record, but I ain't even know. When I met court, I was like, this guy really is the type of dude that I think that I could build something great with on Tuesdays. I just, you know, like, I feel like you have like a certain type of like comedic style slash podcast style that was very attracted to me, pause. And, uh, pause that. Yeah, I got to pause that.

But, you know, that was part of it is like, you know, I had been thinking about having this conversation with ADD for a long time. Then I meet somebody that I actually think is really good for the role. And so I said to myself last Friday, I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to finally say something, AD, about this. So I hop on the phone with him. We have the conversation. He's, I wouldn't say he's like, he seemed a little hurt. He seemed like kind of confused. Like he didn't see it coming, you know, but he didn't seem like angry, you know. He seemed like, okay. Like, you know, like he took it fairly well, I think, but we didn't really talk after that until yesterday.

Like so Friday, Saturday and Sunday, we didn't talk. We were in the group chat though. And me and him were kind of exchanged. We're talking in the group chat. We're talking about the last of us season finale and stuff. And we're having like normal conversation. So I'm like, okay, AD doesn't hate me, whatever. And yesterday, a big part of my plan for the day was like, okay, I got to find a nice little chunk of time so I can holler at AD and do a temperature check and see where he's at in terms of how he feels about the Tuesday show, the Wednesday show, November in general,

etc. And so on Saturday, I made what turned out to be a mistake, which is that I texted less about this. And I also texted T.rell about it. I told T. Rel on Friday right after I talked to AD because obviously everybody who's on the podcast should probably be in the loop about decisions that are being made on the podcast. And I had mentioned it to Lush briefly before and made it clear that like, okay, this is this is something that I'm thinking about. Then on Friday I told him. And then Saturday, me and Lush had a conversation about it via text.

and I remember this because I was at the mall up up north. And then, so that was that then. And then Monday when I hit up AD, he says a couple things like right away that make me feel like, oh, fuck, he read my fucking conversation with Lush. That's how I felt when I first had this conversation with him, because there were like two different things that I had said in the conversation with Lush. And it wasn't a super long conversation, but there was two different things that I said that basically, as soon as AD reiterated them, I was like, what the fuck is going on? Because either my phone is hacked

or a lush fucking told AD. So I immediately, I go out to the office, I say, hey, Josh, go get Lush. Lush comes over. I ask him straight up. Like, that conversation I know about AD, you tell anyone? And he just immediately just starts denying it, you know,

super hard. So then I start thinking about it a little bit more and maybe like, you know, a half hour later or whatever. Because right after that, Lush goes in and records his verse on Gina Vues, is bar city bar city sports uh show that she was doing and normally like if i have something to say to somebody i'm like especially in a business sense you know if i fucking want to fire somebody it's usually going to go through my head for like a long period of time or if i just want to like tell somebody

what i think of them in a workplace scenario i'm going to think about that shit a lot before i actually do it because i know that the way that i feel in the heat of the moment might not necessarily be how i about it a couple hours later so I want to always try to give myself a little time to cool off and like really think about what I want to do right but you know I had like 20 minutes to think about this shit with Lush and I was still just so fucking annoyed and pissed off about it because I I basically yeah at that moment it became clear to me because I talked to some of these mods that Lush had gone in this Discord group chat and fucking aired out the stuff that I told him in privacy on this Discord chat now in his defense his version of how

this happened is that he's basically saying that this other guy on Discord who I think he's a Discord mod. I thought he was a Reddit mod. It turns out they wasn't, but it's this dude guilty. And he's not, I've never met him in real life. I don't know what he looks like. All I know about him is that I started communicating with him because he helped set up like one of the destiny pods, I think, and like the Richard Spencer thing. He was like the one who had a line of communication with Richard Spencer and actually like got on the phone with him or some shit was texting. and made it happen. Same thing with the Nick Fuentes thing early on.

So, I mean, you know, he has connections to a lot of... So guilty is a part of the alt-right. That's what I'm saying? You know a lot of the wild niggas, you know? Right. But so you have Destiny who's on the far, far left, and then you also have, like, Richard Spencer and Nick Fuentes or whatever. But, like, you know, I don't have, I didn't have, like, a personal relationship with

the guilty dude aside. Like, I looked through my entire text log with him yesterday, just to confirm. Right. The only things I ever spoke to this guilty dude about were him booking podcasts. And he had sent me a bunch of different links. Oh, check out this Ukrainian refugee. Maybe you'd want to have her on the show. Oh, check out this guy.

He's a streamer. He's crazy. Like, you would like to have him on the show, this sort of thing. Now, it turns out that AD has a closer relationship to the dude guilty. Like, they had actually, I think, been communicating more. Like, they had kind of built a bit more of a rapport. Now, Lush's version of the story is basically that there was a Discord call and that Lush maybe hinted at it and said like, oh, there's going to be some crazy stuff happening with no jumper this week or something like that.

And that Lush claims that guilty then guessed that the Tuesday show was going to break up. Now, I don't know if I believe this because why the fuck would guilty just guess something that actually was about to happen or that we had already had the conversation with now. The version of this that I'm kind of starting to get from the Reddit is that perhaps AD had hinted to get to. guilty that this was going to happen because you had already talked to him Friday right because I already told AD on Friday yes and then I told Lush on Saturday at some point in all this potentially AD might have either told guilty or just hinted at it to guilty you know so that may have been true but either way Lush like guilty in the discord call hinted at the fact that the Tuesday show like that something might have been going on Lush took that as oh he knows

AD told him or Adam told him. And so therefore there's nothing wrong with me just saying everything that Adam said to me, which is stupid as fuck. And that's why Lush is not going to be on this podcast anymore. It's because there's just like such an irresponsible way of handling yourself when I tell you something in confidence that as soon as you get any idea that there might be other people who know about this, you just start spitting out. Like literally verbatim, the exact things that I said to him.

And for the record, the things that I had said to Lush about the AD situation, I didn't tell Lush about this until after I'd already had the conversation. So I kind of resent the narrative that Adam was talking behind AD's back. Because while what I said to Lush might have been slightly more harsh, it's not like I really said anything to Lush that I hadn't already said to AD both in person and on camera. Like the one thing that AD, I think, understandably was a little offended by was I said, I got to do this because I can't keep listening to the same four jokes over and over every week. Now, that is something anybody who watches the Tuesday show can confirm is that that's a conversation that I've basically had with AD over and over on cameras.

The whole tick thing that I've kind of given them shit about over the years. That's basically just me acknowledging that especially early on that he had kind of a tendency to repeat the same joke over and over, oftentimes in scenarios where it didn't really make any sense. And I'm not mad of that. But that's the kind of thing where when I told AD, I feel like we have different. podcasting styles and I feel like we're not really like a great podcasting duo. I mean, a more rude way of saying that would be to say, I kind of don't like this style of jokes or whatever the fuck I said to Lush about the four jokes, right? So basically guilty, as soon as he gets this information from Lush, he goes and tells AD everything. So by the time I hit up AD on Monday,

he says, bro, I'm not going to lie. I'm kind of hurt because of some shit. that I found out. And he says those quotes or, you know, something that essentially is close to those quotes. And I'm immediately just like, what the fuck? Like, you know, I start tripping. I send AD the screen recording of my entire conversation with Lush, which I didn't have to do. But like, AD, I didn't like the fact that he had this conversation with Guilty that made him feel like he knew that I had sent some terrible shit.

I was like, let me just show you exactly what I really did say because it was, I didn't think it was that bad, right? So I showed him, which was probably good because I think, you know, transparency is good in the situation. I wanted him to know the exact things I said. Then, so I walk into the fucking podcast with Lush and I just tell him like, bro, I know what the fuck is wrong with you. And I just tell him like, you got to get out of here, you know? That wasn't me firing him right there. Obviously, like being fired is a different conversation.

But at least in that moment, I was like, I got to get you out of this fucking room, right? And yeah. And then from there, last night, there was both back on fig and then community. Yeah, I saw the clip of the community shit. Right. For the fans, there were many, many, many hours of discussion about this. What I just did right there was probably like the closest thing to a nice condensed version of it for people to understand. But obviously last night, I hopped on the conversation with AD and pun, and we had this conversation and everything.

and you know ultimately it may be ugly how it kind of played out because i know why it hurt ad's feelings he was offended by the fact that somebody else some random person would have access to information about how this was all playing out before it was made public or anything like that but you know i also have to look at that and say well why it like why am i not able to have a conversation with one of the co-hosts without them spilling the fucking beans like i resent the narrative that I was talking behind 80s back because the reality is is that if we all have a podcast, right? Let's say we all been doing a podcast for three years together and Buley Khev is doing something I really don't like and we've talked about it and I've just decided like,

okay, I got to, I got to have this conversation with Bulek Kev. I got to, I got to tell them it's not going to work out. And so I tell Courtney. Yeah. I'm thinking about doing this. Is there anything wrong with that? In my opinion, no. Like that is, you're telling me that in the Joe Budden podcast as breakup, that when Maul and Rory were having feelings or whatever, that Joe Bunnan didn't go to Parks and say, hey, Parks, this is what I'm thinking. Let me talk through the strategy of how this might play out. To me, that's not talking shit behind somebody's back. That's a bullshit narrative.

Well, just so we're clear, like, the thing that is the shit talking is the same four jokes aspect, that comment, correct? Because you had already communicated to AD on Friday that you were going to be switching up the Tuesday show. Yes. And to be fair, his plan, according to him. was that he was going to, I don't, I think just be real cool about it on camera, you know, keep doing the Wednesday thing.

And when it came up, because I even told him, I'm like, bro, I'm not trying to make this look bad because obviously the optics of it are like the rough part is that people are going to run with a narrative of like, look at how Adam doesn't fuck with AD or whatever. And that's what I told AD from the beginning is like, I want you to keep doing the Wednesday show. I want you to keep doing the food show, doing the news and shit sometimes. But in terms of Tuesday, I want to switch it up. I'm going into this knowing that that conversation is something that once it plays out on camera, a decent chunk of the fans and whatever might feel a certain type of way about it or take it in the most negative possible light, since that's a lot of the no jumper commentary that goes on is basically like taking anything that happens in no jumper and just throwing the most negative possible fucking spin on it.

So I'm prepared for that and I'm expecting that, you know? but yeah then AD obviously by see and that's the other thing I keep thinking about is that if I had gone to Lush privately what would AD have done on stream last night I don't know that he would have even necessarily talked about it because it wouldn't have really seemed like he would have been the one bringing it to the forefront right for me the reason why I told Lush that on camera was because I was just so upset about it and so pissed off at him betraying me that I just wanted to have the conversation publicly And so now we're looking at this like, okay, well, how would this have played out if I didn't fire Lush on camera? Or not fire, but if I didn't have this conversation with Lush on camera. So yeah, I guess that's probably the closest that I can get to sort of summarizing this in short form. What I want to know is who the hell told anybody that I was replacing the AD because whoever said that, they knew before I did for sure. I didn't know shit. I thought I was coming out here to be a sledge lord.

I ain't slayed shit, man. I told Lush. That makes a lot of sense. So Lush told the guilty guy. If I'm not mistaken, or I might have told, I actually think I told AD as well. And I think I told T.R. That makes more sense because when I'm watching a stream yesterday,

because I consume a lot of media from the No Jumping Universe. So I'm watching community yesterday. He's like, oh, court is replacing me or something like that. And then pun goes, who the fuck is court? And I'm just like, oh shit, man, I'm going to get packed out in our own community merch. Like, this is crazy. And then I, yeah, I swear, I even picked out a hat. I was like, oh, I'm going to end up on community.

I might as well bring my community hat. Oh, my God. Get this motherfucker sign. We need a contract to ASAP. That shit is crazy, man, because, like, I'm just watching it, man. And I ended up with 100 followers overnight and stuff like that. Not bad. Yeah, but I think it was going to be because I was funny, not because I'm in the

In the long run, it will be because you're funny. In the short term, it will be because all this bullshit. Right. So let me ask you this. Like if you, obviously the live stream thing, it's a live situation. That's kind of, like you said it, that might have been maybe what accelerated them talking about it on community the way they did. Yeah, because if I think AD's plan was to not talk about the plans for the Tuesday show on community. Maybe control the narrative a little bit more.

Yeah. Or he was going to talk about it, but he was going to be kind of vague and just say like, okay, Adam decided to go in this other direction or whatever. And then once I had the conversation with Lush on camera, that kind of opened the floodgates for AD to feel like he could talk about this on Monday. And, I mean, T.Rell had already talked about it on his shit as well. So was this guy, like, actually fired? Yeah. Yeah. There's not, like, in what you saw on camera, I feel like all of that shit happened after.

Yeah, I mean, because I've been talking to Lush privately, and he wrote me a short novel earlier today. And I told him, I'm like, he still wants to work with the channel and stuff. I told him, like, I can't trust you anymore. It's just not happening. Yeah, it seems like a lot of that dude's, like, you know, identity is wrapped up into no jumper. You know, I feel like anytime I watch him, he's just like, he's on the shit, man. In a way that was kind of different to me because, you know, like, I remember there was a situation that played out a few months ago, right, where him and Flacco and Gina and suspect were all

going to be on the stream, right? And there was a ton of talk in the Reddit at that time, talk that I still don't know what the fuck I think of, but they were basically talking about maybe Flacco is not from where he says he's from. He's not really from North Dakota. He's from Delaware. He's from Pennsylvania, whatever. And I just told Lush, I'm like, bro, everybody's talking about this. You should raise this issue with Flaco, right? You should talk to him about it. And Lush ended up, in my opinion, kind of like antagonizing the situation longer and more than he had to. Like, there's a lot of different ways in which you could have that conversation with Flaco on camera. I ended up feeling like the vibe of it

was a little bit cruel and like definitely like, but then Lush also kept throwing me under the fucking bus during it saying, oh, Adam wanted me to have this conversation. I feel bad, but Adam told me that he wanted me to have this conversation, which honestly, that kind of started to make me feel like this dude's a snake, because you are your own man. I just told you to have the conversation with him. And then I was telling him as well, like, if there's somebody that you have to call, like, like there was people who wanted to talk about him or whatever, I'm like, bro, just call them.

Like, just get their thoughts on it or whatever. And like, in retrospect, I don't think that that was necessarily a good idea just because I, like, me trusting Lush to be able to have that. conversation in a mature, responsible way, might have been a little bit much to ask him at that time. But like that was an example because in the fallout from that, there was a shitload of people who were super mad at Lush and was basically like really, really angry at him and talking about it in the Reddit and everything and just saying like, this guy's a fucking dickhead. Why did you do this to Flacco? And keep in mind that like Flacco had been public enemy number one

in the Reddit the week before that. But then all of a sudden, he became like a sympathetic figure because of the fact that Lush went through this whole thing calling him out or whatever. whatever. But either way, like after that. It's like wrestling, dude. Yeah. In my opinion, it's like Flaco, like he turned baby face. Yeah, I've been thinking quite a few wrestling metaphors in my head as well. I was about to say that I should change Flacco for the better man. For sure. Because people hated, like, for real hated that dude. I remember like when he, interviewed the camera guy and the dude spit on him, I think I hit you. I was like, who the fuck is this Paco guy you got on this show? This new guy's a fucking goofball. But then he like,

DM, he's like, bro, you're fucking a legend. Like I'm like oh this guy's like a sweetheart, you know And that's one thing I love about flaco He's not scared to tell another man that he's doing good It's a lot of pride and like just you know existing I saw a video yesterday he's just eating Pringles Oh my god, right? Like why do you have Pringles?

He's like shit he just had him ready You know Was it a mini tube or was a full length tube? It was a mini tube I think I don't think he could get all the way into the full life tube He might get stuck or some Well we all been there where you got to kind of shimmy it out Try to catch it on the lid.

No, yeah, I pour the chips out after a certain point. I'm not trying to be a fat nigga stuck in a pringle can. That's not going to go down. Yeah, you get her whole hand stuck in there. So let me ask you this, Adam. Like, obviously, there's been, like, a lot of drama. I was telling AD this, like, three or four weeks ago, I was like, man, there's no jumper shit. It's stressful.

Just from a, like, I'm a content creator, but I do just, like, interviews. You know what I'm saying? And I do radio. Like, nobody has to know about your personal life. Right. Or your relationships with your friends or your employees. family or none of that. Yeah, all that shit's off camera. And that's kind of the crazy thing. I'll let you talk, but that's the crazy thing that's happened with all this where it's like

the main focus of the conversation has just been the drama. And it's kind of hard sometimes to figure out like what we have to do to make that no longer the case. But I can say that I feel like the lush thing and like him just taking everything so personal, that was definitely part of it. Because it's just like, you know, he's just going on other people's streams nonstop to talk about no jump or drama and shit. And it's just like, bro, like, why is this necessary? Yeah, I mean, just from like, because I'm a fan of the content. You know, I watch it a lot.

Right. He just seemed to be a little extra at all times. Very extra. Yeah. The kind of guy who, like, well, like, he just wants to be liked. In whatever room he's in, he wants to be liked. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And he was going hard. I'm going to be real. Like, he was working hard. He was, like, lining up interviews, having, you know, trying to be on every fucking podcast. Because he started on the bat, like, you did a battle rap podcast. It was a him in disaster, right? Exactly. Yeah. So like, because obviously the business model of No Jumper has evolved because we used to just watch you interview everybody, right?

And now you've kind of created it. I always say that you're kind of like the new Howard Stern because Howard Stern had kind of created this universe of like characters, right? And so to me, you're kind of like the quintessential like new version of what like good morning radio used to be back in the day where like everything's on the air. You know, you're sharing your personal. So, like, for you, is it a little like, how do you carry that stress, bro? Because, like, you said, every, like, you fired a guy. Well, you didn't fire him. But whatever. There's been a lot of shit that's transpired on camera that someone would argue shouldn't have been on camera.

I totally agree. I feel like, like, all right, so let's rewind. Let's go back to a pre-pandemic. So 2019, I was kind of in a weird spot with No Jumper where the store thing, we already knew we were ending the store thing. There's a variety of reasons for that. We still want to do a store at some point. But the store thing was kind of ending.

And that was a big part of the identity of no jumper. It's the store. You could pull up on Melrose. Exactly. And, you know, like, crazy shit was happening. Like, you just have motherfuckers posting up, playing guitar on the fucking corner. Right. People pulling up and rapping in front.

Fucking Jake hole coming by. Yeah. And I'll forget the guns. The guy who ran down to me on the gun was a huge thing. And then the guy shows up the next day with a gun. And it was just, think about how crazy that transformation was for me. where I went from 2017, I was able to be in front of that store just chilling on some regular shit and nobody would stop.

Once in a blue moon, somebody would stop, take a photo with me, whatever, because of the interviews and stuff. But for the most part, I could just hang out and it was all good. But then by the end, by 2019, it's like I got to have fucking security. It's like I got to have the homies with guns near me and shit. Like that just changed so much. And so we got another spot. We had another office that we were using throughout a large part of 2019 that some people

remember and then coming into 2020 it's like the world kind of shuts down and it all of a sudden becomes a lot harder for us to do our normal bread and butter of just cranking out interviews right and also like anybody who really pays attention to rap will be able to tell you that like 2019 or 2020 was not 2016 or 2017 2016 2017 I had a constant flow of new exciting rappers that people were dying to see you have conversations with you know And like going into 2019, we're still getting some good interviews and stuff around that time. But it's also occurring to me like, I can't focus my whole business on just interviewing rappers because it's not consistent enough. And there's all kinds of weird shit that happen.

And you can't control that like when you want to talk to a certain rapper, sometimes they got a friend who don't like you or they want them to go do this other thing. When I started doing interviews with underground rappers, let's be real, there was like hardly anyone doing interviews with underground rappers. I felt like I was barely competing with anyone at that time because you would have some radio stations. The radio stations were like totally checked out on the underground. On that Nitch. Vlad, I saw Vlad acknowledged the other day that like me coming in the game like that was partially due to the fact that Vlad didn't really pick up on what was happening with the SoundCloud shit until it was a little bit too late. And now Vlad is somebody who's like probably a lot more open to interviewing a new up-and-coming rapper where he wasn't necessarily thinking about that in 2016 or whatever. So, you know, we're going into the pandemic.

We got to figure out something to do. And AD was someone we had already done a meeting with about working together, right? We had even done like a little test thing, him and this fucking random girl. It was not great because him and her were just awkward on camera. It was kind of weird. But, you know, we decided when we got, because, okay, going into the pandemic, we got to offer to start a Snapchat news show, right? So I'm like, I need somebody to talk to. AD seems like he would be a pretty good fit.

I'm going to fucking holler at him. So then all of a sudden, two, three days a week, me and AD are in the office doing the news together. So that's really like what we got started on. We weren't necessarily even going to do a podcast together or anything. It was just the news. Right. And so he's like super green to it because he just has never really done the podcaster thing. It was the news.

But, you know, so meanwhile, we don't really have anything fucking going on. We have interviews here and there, but it's the pandemic. So it's like super terrible in that regard. And then over time, we start building a better relationship and, you know, doing stuff on camera. but over time it also started to feel like the more people that I brought in the more drama it was creating and it's like a lot of people have the idea that the drama makes me a lot of money and that is really like not how this works you know like if I look at our analytics right now yesterday was probably one of the most dramatic craziest fucking days in the history of no jumper

and our analytics barely fucking budged you know it's like that shit it's more like it's good content and it's a good amount of views for other people It's not necessarily us. The Milk 7-4s of the world, they will get some views of talking about some shit that happened on here. But for us, like, our catalog is like,

we're going to do like half a million views like every day on YouTube based on just our back catalog. You know, like us introducing fucking all this drama and stuff barely fucking moves the needle for us. Like that's not, it's not something where I want this shit to happen. It's not like I'm motivated for it to happen.

Really like I, my goal for no jumper is I just want to create a cast of people that I can talk to, that I can do different episodes with, and that other, you know, like in a perfect world that we'd be able to create other shows like at the end of the day where I'm not on camera and everything. And for the content to largely kind of stop when the camera stops rolling, you know,

where I don't really, like, for me at this point, my life is so different because when I talk about that beginning of the pandemic, I was broke. Like, I was in debt. Because I had a previous business partner who really fucked me over and basically, like, over a million dollars in terms of like leftover tax bill that I fucking had to deal with. So, you know, everybody probably was looking at me in 2020. Like I had this dope business going on

in reality. It's like I was having to grind so fucking hard because I was digging myself out of a hole. And that's around the time the AD came around. And, you know, soon after that, thanks to like various social networking and stuff and getting better, getting brand deals, all this stuff, we got to the point where the business was operating in a much better way. But I also like slowly just started to feel like I was kind of out of control with it. Where, It was just so much shit was happening and it wasn't necessarily. Like, you know, like, I'm sure everybody has seen it where it's like this thing that I'm describing where we could just kind of have good conversations here and then just move on and like, you know, go home and have our lives be kind of like separate from this. That slowly just started to seem like less and less of a of an actual opportunity.

Oh, I thought it was Dino. It's icon. Sorry. Sorry. It has don't know. I really thought it was something. I'm like, this is all. awkward. I'm talking about doing it. Um, but yeah, I mean, like, I don't know. I just feel like I'm at a

different place in my life where all this drama shit just seems so fucking useless to me. And given, like, how yesterday played out? It's like, I'm really just trying to think, like, okay, how do I pivot this shit so that I can come in, make content, have conversations that I enjoy and not have to fucking deal with just all this insanity that comes with it. Yeah, it feels like it's the type of shit that you guys everyone's taken home with them you know what I'm saying so it's like I'm like you know you think about the flaco situation or you know some of these fights it's just you know even the rap battle shit it was like that shit kind of got personal you know what I mean like the rap battles seemed good at first because it was like oh this is a way for them to have their little differences with each other

but then not have it turn super personal right and that I mean I guess the the rap battle shit didn't get like crazy personal but it definitely you know it got a little did a little bit too personal. It didn't go as far as he could have gone, though. Like, I seen some shit in rap battling. Part of that is because Lush just every time he said anything about AD, he just prefaced it with like 5,000 caveats of like, I love you, I think you're great, you're the best rapper ever, which is like...

I was going to DM him all of that yesterday. That's crazy. What, just saying the same shit that he'd been saying. I love you. You're the greatest rapper. You're the best rapper ever. By the way, not the greatest rapper ever. That guy's terrible flow. Lush?

Yeah, lyrically. Oh, shit. I don't know, man. I never heard him rap until the... I'm not trying to talk shit about him outside of the stuff that I actually want to talk shit about him for, which is basically being a snake and repeating things that I told them in confidence to random people that doesn't even fucking know on Discord. And the other funny thing about it is that guilty has disappeared from the internet.

Nobody knows what the fuck happened to him after all this. So this Nick Fuentes fan popped in, caused insane chaos. And just jumped off. And nobody knows who he is, I don't think. Interesting. I think I'm going back to New York, man. That's the second person that disappeared. David Russell is guilty guy.

No, Trevor's still here. Yeah. Is it safe to say that, okay, because, you know, can you attribute AD being the person that kind of kicked the door open for the current business model of, like, developing new talent, you being off-camera more? and I kind of feel like you're like the no jumper is going viral as much as you have great interviews. Like I just watched the Richard Spencer one, which I was like surprised. It was like a good conversation.

Debate. Debate, whatever it was. They keep trying to say I interviewed him. No, you didn't. I arranged a debate. You really kind of sat there and let him and the blue hair do talk. And I just wanted to make that clear because when people are like, oh, you didn't say this to Richard Spencer or whatever. I'm like, if it was an interview, perhaps I would have done that.

But is it safe to say you can attribute the success of bringing AD into the fold? to kind of like the, you know, I guess the Kickstarter to where No Jumper is now. 100% because anybody who watches the channel knows that we had had other people on the channel before. Yeah, Bosco, Sada Baby. I remember a lot of them. Right. Well, Sada Baby came after the AD thing. Yeah.

Well, only one time. Oh, I swear. Maybe twice. Yeah, I thought it was like two or three times. Now, the main people that were hosts, per se, before A.D. came around was like Robsman and then Camgirl in a house phone. Yeah, that's true. And to be fair, like the No Jumber show really like, you know, the Housephone thing, like he had a fan base and stuff for sure in like 2019, 2020. But it was until AD came on that we really kind of started to form like a closer and closer bond and the podcast started to get better and everything.

And then even beyond that, like he brought T. Rel around. Right. Housephone brought Duno around. But like, you know, there was quite a few different people that AD brought around. So I'm not trying to like take away from that at all because he definitely like seeing the way that. the fans took to him kind of made me realize that the channel had more opportunities available to it than I previously thought. Because up until AD came on the channel, the vast majority, like 95% of the views that we were getting on the channel, were from stuff that was basically just me on camera. Right.

You interviewing people. Me going and doing a vlog. I was just like kind of always the face of it. Now, there were like some vlogs that we did were like sent people out and like, you know, vlogs that would do well because it's like if you put trippy red or a little zan or whoever in the thumbnail it's going to do good regardless of of me being there which is dope but ad definitely like made me realize like oh shit i can actually bring people onto this channel who aren't me who aren't like me you know in significant ways like he's fucking from compton and he's got this gang banging past and he's

you know a rapper all these things that are like not like me but it made me realize like oh we can bring people in and actually get the fan base to appreciate them and so now like something like me bringing court on, that like in 2020 would have been really hard for me to imagine because I knew him back then, 2019, whatever. He was coming around the store or whatever, but I didn't know that I could like, maybe I just didn't have the confidence or I kind of felt like everybody that I brought on had to be able to do exactly what I do. You know, like anybody I would bring on would have to be an interviewer. They would have to be like really, really, really good at having the long form interviews. And then AD comes around

and he's making it clear like I don't want to do interviews like I'm just going to chill like I'm going to have conversations on camera and stuff but I don't want to be the interviewer which I think is actually really good that he like kind of knew that about himself early on you know but yeah AD definitely like kicked in the door massively so I got to acknowledge that 100%

but then I think that when things started to change a little bit was because I encouraged AD to start his own stream like in the beginning because it had been suggested and I kind of told him like you could be like academics you don't have to be as messy as academics but you could sit on stream put your fucking head in the corner,

play video games, talk about whatever's going on your life, et cetera. And, you know, he did it. And it ended up being really successful, like way more successful than anybody else had ever been

from no jumper in terms of, like, creating their own content. I mean, yeah, they just sold out the L. Ray twice, right? Exactly. Yeah.

So I feel like what that kind of did was, it was dope because, like, I have to wear two different hats in having this conversation. As a business owner and as a friend to AD

and T. I have to look at that shit and just be like, Bravo. You guys did exactly what I would fucking want you to do in that situation if I was coaching you, which is you get an opportunity from no jumper. You get in there, do what you can, build up as much of a fan base as possible, but then also be building your own shit on the side. And because this was so new to us, we hadn't even got into the conversation of like, okay, maybe our contract should say this.

Maybe our contract should, you know, make it so that they can't do extremely similar content on their own channel, which is kind of what it's turned into, where like a lot of times the stuff that happens on No Jumper will. Spills over to community. And it will get like more views from them reacting to it or talking about it rather than it has for us, you know? So that was something that I didn't anticipate or that I couldn't have really expected for the people. And you know, so now we have kind of like different types of contracts where it's like if somebody's going to come on and be a part of No Jumper, it's like, I want you to create your own content and everything. But in terms of stuff that is like directly the same as no jumper or you know not to say this shit is exactly the

same but it's clearly like filling the same itch that we're trying to satisfy on here we need to have some kind of control about how we deal with people and I was having a conversation with somebody the other day used to be a teacher and I kind of filled them in on a lot of the details about this and they said this to me they said listen like when I go into a school I can't start out as the cool teacher. I have to go in and be a strict-ass teacher. And then when it comes down to it, if I want to fucking say a swear word or if I want to let them eat pizza in class or some shit, if I want to be a cool teacher, I have to like interject that after I've already set the baseline as being me being a very strict teacher. Now, I don't like mean to go too hard with the direct

teacher metaphor here or whatever. But I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this is that I didn't set down any boundaries in the beginning. It was just like, here's a table, here's these cameras, here's these four million subscribers, do whatever the fuck you guys want. And to be fair, like, in terms of it just being like kind of shocking and entertaining and crazy, I mean, that's definitely been what we, that's definitely been what we got out of it, you know? Right.

But also, it's like, having seen how this played out, I'm very confident that I would rather have a tight-knit small crew of people making content together rather than having a big fucking crew where everybody's kind of doing their own thing and creating their own conversations that ultimately kind of poison the waters here. Got you. So, okay, so initially you had kind of encouraged AD to do a stream, right? Totally, yeah. But you didn't have any sort of idea how big community could get. No. So it gets really big. But isn't that what you would want? it wouldn't you want like if you're encouraging him to do it wouldn't you want his shit to blow up no totally yeah like i'm happy for him and he knows that like i've always like i even you know in recent times

like i've given him advice i just got him a fucking snapchat show and shit like that like i've looked out for him so the whole like idea that i'm like hating on what they've accomplished is not true at all the reality is anytime anybody said to me like you should be stopping what they're doing on community or back on fig no i've i've never felt like that you could go watch the conversation i had with T-Row about back on fig. I'm proud of them and I'm happy for them. But also it's like, I can't really let people

do that again in the future. But I have to respect them doing it because my contract that I had them signed in the first place did not prohibit them from doing it. So I can only respect it. I can't say like, this is fucked up that you guys did this and created your own platforms

when I never had anything and I never said anything to them. I didn't have anything in writing and I didn't say anything to them to prohibit them from doing that. I got to respect it. You know, so it's like if we fast forward three, four, five years, and it's like look at how back I'm figuring community

are just as big or bigger than No Jumper, it's like, I'm not going to be mad about that. I'm proud of them. And I'm proud of the fact that they were able to do that coming up from No Jumper. It's just that in the future, if I take people on and make them host on this channel, I've realized that the part where they create their own platform

doing interviews or streams or whatever should probably be something that they then start building after they leave. And I've also just realized I have conversations with people from Barstool. And I realize like, oh, shit, they are under a very short leash. Yeah, I mean, they're under that. Yeah, but you hear about like some of the intellectual property, like contracts in the podcast world and all that shit. Like for you, though, like anybody who's coming on board now, right, if they want to do their own stream, it has to be under the umbrella of no jumper.

I mean, I wouldn't say exclusively because, like, okay, I do the Sledge Lord's things with Danny Mullen. Right. He has his own weekly vlog that he does and he has his own podcast that he does. Right. But it's also like he doesn't talk about anything on the podcast that has anything to do with No Jumper. Right, right, right, right. You know, so it's like he's got his own crew. Like he has his own little mini No Jumper with a bunch of weird white people, right?

Like it's very, it's like its own separate universe. And so where like the community and back on Fig, a lot of the content is kind of spiraling off of what happens in building. I mean, yesterday's back on, the back on fake title yesterday was Lush got fired live on stream. Right, right, right. So it's not like anyone's trying to hide the fact that this has basically become like no jumper meta commentary.

And it's not like it's always that because I'm sure that if they had something else to talk about that was just as interesting that they would have taken that and made that the title. So let me ask you this, because a guy like Milk 74 or random YouTube channel, A, B, or C is going to do the same shit, right? They're going to benefit off of the drama here, right? Wouldn't you rather AD and T-Rail benefit off of it? At the very least, they're kind of giving like more of a biased in your favor perspective. I mean, maybe sometimes not, right?

Sometimes it seems biased in my favorite. Because like at the end of the day, isn't there going to already be people reacting and getting tons of fucking views off of the drama that happens on camera here? And I'm totally aware of that because obviously like, If AD and TRL had nothing to do with no jumper tomorrow, it's not like that's going to stop them from having a conversation about the next crazy thing that Flaco does on stream or whatever. And that's fine. Like I've already accepted that.

But yeah, I mean, sometimes it does feel like there are narratives that get pushed on some of the other platforms that when I look at it, I'm like, okay, so I introduced you guys to the streaming thing. I am paying you. And then still, I basically end up just as fodder for conversation here on stream. The thing is, though, the people who are in the building, they always go and catch more eyes because you want it from damn near the horses. For sure, because you're getting it from the source. Yeah, milk only knows what's on the cameras.

Right, right, right, right. So that's how that's going to go. No, I get it. Yeah. Let me ask you this, bro. Is it hard to, like, because I feel like you have genuine friendship with a guy like AD, right? You have a genuine friendship with a guy like, I mean, a long friendship with house phone. Do you feel like your friendships like real, because it's hard to get real friends, right?

Especially in L.A., you know what I'm saying? Especially in the entertainment industry. Ain't that the truth. Are you finding yourself like with less and less friends at the expense of the content? Massively, because like the restructuring of my life over the course of the past couple of years has basically been like, like thinking about me when I started a no jump. I was hanging out of that store all the fucking day, all day long, and then I would go to shows, I would go to people's parties, I would get fucked up with people, but, oh, so-and-so wants me to go over their house and smoke weed. Yeah, you were outside. Yeah, hop in the Uber, let's go to this guy's house.

Oh, this rapper, Famous Dex wants me to pull up to the studio. Okay, boom, we're going to the studio. We're hanging out. Like, you know, I was outside. I was doing shit. As time goes by, it's like, I have a kid. I start to slowly accept the fact that I am no longer in my early 30s. I'm now 39.

And what are my, like, real goals of, like, once you have a kid, especially, you know this. Yeah. You start having to look at your time and just audit the fuck out of it. For sure. And say, all right, like, if I have an hour, if 7 to 8 p.m. is free on a Wednesday, what am I going to do with that time? Now, for you and me, it might be getting ready for an interview. We have to do the next day. Or it might be, you know, even if you give yourself an hour to be like, I'm going to watch some fucking Joe Button podcast clips that I've been dying to watch or whatever.

Like that time is crucial and scarce. And I just look at the world so fucking different at this point in terms of like how I'm using my time. So whereas I used to have all these sort of like casual off camera friendships, like even somebody like AD. It's like I interviewed AD. And then, you know, I saw him at Rolling Loud after that. And I seen him like a few different times, seen him a video. I guess I met him at a video shoot. And you know, we had like a cool friendship.

But then like over time that becomes a podcast relationship. Because for me, I don't really have a lot of time for anything in between. It's like I have the content that I'm making and the business, and then I have my family life and shit that I'm dealing with in that regard. So I do feel like that. Yeah, for sure. That's like my biggest worry in all this. And that's why I really resent this narrative that I was like talking shit behind AD's back.

In reality, I was having a conversation with one of the other co-hosts about a decision that I was considering making. And if I didn't give a fuck about AD, the conversation would have been incredibly easy and simple. I would have said, bro, I don't think you're good for this podcast anymore. You've got to go. Right. I didn't do that. I fucking thought about it for a long fucking period of time. And then when I finally talked to him about it, I express it to him in the way that I thought would be best to not hurt his feelings and fuck up our relationship. So I am kind of resentful about the idea that that that at a certain point gets presented as Adam was talking shit behind his back because it's just, it's just not true. The reality is, and I said this on community last night, is that when AD and pun decided that they were going to let AD's cousin go, they talked about it, right?

Right. And then they let him go. They had the conversation with him after they talked about it. So me talking to Lush about it, granted maybe I had bad judgment in thinking that I could trust Lush, but it did seem pretty reasonable. Like that honestly reminds me

of some shit that I had to deal with in high school where remember in high school you'd like tell somebody something and then like immediately, boom, they just tell everybody. Right. And then you get older, you start to feel like you can trust people.

To like three different people to see who's going to tell if that detail comes back to you. Exactly. oh, I mean, the guilty thing. Like, bro, the fact that guilty was able to sort of slither his way into this community. And I can't even really blame him for telling AD what. All right, guilty. Whatever he is.

He told me he's not a groiper. Because I asked him, I asked him, I asked, a groiper is like a hardcore Nick Fuentes fan. And I tried to think. He's got a beehive? G.R. Yes. He's got barbs? You would not fucking believe it.

What? When I did that debate with Nick Fuentes originally, I like, I look at it. know they make it live i refresh it it has like 700 comments in like 10 minutes i had never seen a video get comments that fast and i start reading the comments and it's not like they're bots but they're clearly like from the nick flintez discord you know commenting on this like this whole fucking internet underworld yeah it's crazy but i asked that guilty did at one point i was like bro because like you got all these nix frances photos on your fucking instagram like what like are you a fucking nazi or what and he's just like no i'm not a groper and i remember

I remember thinking like, okay, but I ask you if you're a Nazi. And I'm not 100%. Like, I try to look up the origins of the word droiper. Yeah. I don't fucking get it. It's some weird as deep-seated internet shit. I think Bill Cosby was graping bitches. He was groping bitches with the quail-loos.

He was quail-lewed in these hoes. See, I like that. Yeah. That's good. That's good. I go to a Bill Cosby show. Would you go to a Bill Cosby show? Hell yeah.

I want to know, you got to, come on, you got to explain this shit. I would love to, like, see the energy. He's still doing PG comedy on stage after we know he's been raping chicks. I'm heckling. But you remember he was supposed to do a comedy tour and then it got canceled? He got canceled, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. I've been showing my girl all these old Seinfeld episodes and like, I said to her the other day, I'm like,

so now do you see why it was such a big deal when this guy set the N-word on stage? I'm like, look at how funny he is on the show. Look how great he is. And then Kramer was that guy? For him to go on that fucking rant, I'm like, now you understand why it was such a big deal and why we have not really seen him. Well, he did come

back on the, there was a season of curb where they did the fake sign field reunion and that was after that. But like Larry David being the only one to really like, I don't know, maybe he's done some other after work after. No, I don't think he's done anything else. You're right? He's burnt. He's burnt out for sure. He said it like seven times. Dude, him and Loneyhammer

needs to start a podcast together. And the guilty guy, the Groyper. Oh, he could be on there too. Maybe he could run their discord. Jesus. So are you, do you have, because this is my thing, bro. Like, do you feel like your, you're, like, what would be considered genuine friendships have turned into just work relationships? Because, you know, obviously you and Housephone, like Housephone leaving, I would assume he's one of your oldest friends in L.A.

True. Is it like lonely being Adam 22 kind of? I mean, obviously, you got your girl, you got your daughter, you got, you know, but like in terms of like, you know, are you, are you, do you have a lot of friends outside of what happens on camera here? I do, but they're not like hip-hop people. Right. Like, I have all these super close friendships with all these BMX dudes that I can talk to all the time. but they don't know anything about what the fuck happens here. You know, like I have a lot of friends who I talk to that just all this shit is kind of a mystery.

And like once in a while they'd be like, look at this clip on TikTok or like, whoa, there was a fight at the off. You know, like, they just like once in a while tap in and just express this feeling of like massive confusion about it. But yeah, dude, it's fucking lonely for sure. Because you got like AD, right, who like I'm sure looks at you as like a genuine friend, somebody who. So when I saw that clip yesterday at him like kind of freaking out and then you guys. exciting. Let's talk about this off camera. To me, that's like, you know, whether or not the severity of what you said to Lush was like a big deal, a small deal, something that you would have said to his face or have said to his face. And did. Realistically. I told they did that a million fucking times,

but I didn't use the number four. That's how I knew it was a leak. Because I had said the thing about four jokes to Lush, which in my head, I was not thinking like, oh, I'm going to say this like this so that like, I'll know if it gets repeated. But it ended up working out that way exactly because Lush couldn't help himself, but to say the exact thing that I said. I was going to use this situation or the last year or so as kind of like a precursor on how you might handle business relationships that turn into real friendships and the lines kind of get blurry moving forward because like obviously I see some of the shit that happens here and I'm like, damn, like, you know, I was just telling him. I was like, I feel like the lush guy, I never was like kind of a fan of

I always thought it was kind of a cornball, but like I felt kind of like I felt like I watched his heart get broken. Yeah. Like his whole livelihood just get ripped from his soul like live on the internet. I was like, he might cry in the car, you know what I'm saying? It's funny that you said that word because I heard him on one of the platforms yesterday and they asked him how he felt about, you know, no jumping. He's like, I still love it. That's literally my livelihood. And that was when I kind of sort of felt for him because I can see how important this place was to him.

But you got to like if everything. thing happened the way is looking like it happened, then you got to treat the place more important. I agree. At the same time, do you feel like because my thing is, it's like, damn, even if that happened, like, it's kind of a mean thing to do

on camera. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or do you just not give a fuck at this point? I told Adam that as a millionaire, he's allowed, like, a quarterly crash out. So every three months, going and crashed to fuck out. I just, I just was like, I saw this dude's face and just, you know, the way he kept lying and like, I was like,

Oh, this guy's just melting. Yeah, I mean, I'm not 100% happy about the fact that I had that conversation on camera. But in that moment, I was just so fucking pissed that I was like, Let's get him out of here. I cannot wait 20 minutes to have this conversation. Like, I have to. It would be like if you found out your girl was cheating on you. For sure.

And you're trying to finish this podcast right now. No. But she's in the other room and you know for a fact. You get a text on your phone somebody to tell you like, I know for a fact. It would be very difficult for you to finish this podcast, right? I couldn't. Yeah. So that's a great, that's a great comparison because I feel you're like, yo, fuck this.

Yeah. That's snatching this bitch out of here. You know what I'm saying? For sure. The only thing you did wrong was you kept that fucking jacket on because the jokes about that fucking, like, I am a real America. But you know what's funny about that? That's a great.

I'd be feeling you weren't that jacket a lot at this point. Okay. What about the fact that the T-shirt that I happened to be wearing is a fucking Joy Division shirt? And I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure Joy Division, like that name came from some World War II shit. I'm pretty sure. So if you're looking for like racist motives like in the clothing that I happen to be wearing that day By the way that was a supreme jacket.

So it's like anybody who's like look at him wearing his fucking Confederate jaguar. It's a supreme jaguarial. I bought it on Melrose for like $500. Also. Also. I was a regular-ass American flag. I'm not going to let them put the Confederacy all you. I was just saying it's kind of hard these days because my wife's also one of these people

who if she sees somebody with like an American flag on their truck, she's like, look at this fucking racist motherfucker. And I'm like, or they're patriotic? Oh, my God. We just had this conversation on a. Sledge Lords, right? Yeah, like the fucking flag doesn't mean you're racist.

I could also, like, what happened when Juel Santana was wearing that shit on his fucking head in 2003? What happened to never forget, man? The towers got knocked down, man. The towers were knocked down. We all had flags. I'm still mad.

Trump, hey, Trump kind of fucked the American flag up, though, low key for like a little bit. He tarnished the brand for a little, you know what I mean? Well, Trump coming around is the first time that I heard about people like actually getting kind of like called racist just for having the flag on. It's like, what if, what if I'm just the proud American.

We were talking about the Confederate flag in the group chat the other day and like, why were we talking about it? I forget why we were talking about it, but I ended up looking up. I googled outcast Confederate flag because I remember that there was an award show

100,000, where 103,000 wore like a Confederate flag shirt. Because I was just trying to say like, the Confederate flag has changed a lot over the last like 10, 20 years in the sense that I think you used to be able, like if you were from down south and you rock that shit,

people weren't tripping that hard. They didn't necessarily, They didn't necessarily think it was 100% like a statement of their commitment to racism. I lived in Tampa, Florida, and there'd be, like, giant trucks with the fucking Confederate flag just flying in the back. And you'd be like, oh.

The South will rise again, bumper stickers. Ludacris rocked it. He rocked like a full Confederate flag jumpsuit at some point. Bad judgment. Contrary to popular belief, the Confederate flag fucking slaps way harder than the regular flag. That design is fucking incredible.

Because it's like an X? I'm so tight. You just can't use it free. because that shit slaps, dude, but you just can't. But that's what you have to ask yourself. I'm going to go ahead and just... I can say that because I'm glad. Check out the my bookie read.

That shit can't slap to you. Is there a part of you that wants to rock a swastika merchandise just because it's a pretty cool-looking symbol? I mean, because it's slaps. Because it's like the most basic symbol you can think of. The swastika-on-slap. The swastika-on-fucking-slap. But the Confederate flag does?

It's a dope design, bro. But it makes me wonder, do you think it's cool because of the fact that it's so edgy and nobody can fucking rock it without inviting a massive total wave of hatred. No, no, it's not even. I'm just talking about literally the graphic. Like, if you didn't know what it meant

and you put them shit side by side, the regular American flag, that shit is like just regular, but the fucking design of the Confederate flag, it slaps. However, I don't fuck with it because I actually know what it means. But yeah, it's just like I wish, like, I'm gonna hit up

some of my graphic design homies. I'll do that. Oh, no, I thought you were going to have them like making some shit. I mean, if you're from down south, I feel like you could get away with it in a different way, because they'll have a Confederate flag shirt that says heritage, not hate. Yeah. You remember that? Oh, yeah.

That's pandering, though. I don't like pandering. Like, if you're going to, like, balls to the wall. If you're going to rock that shit, rock it. Speaking of rocking out, make your March Madness a moneymaker with MyBooky. Getting started as easy. Visit MyBooky online and use the promo code, no jumper, one word, to receive a deposit bonus of up to $1,000.

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as if today wasn't going to be yeah because you guys are just going to pop in the redid and watch a clipper's dude yeah i'm this whole fucking underbelly of shit i'm just not hip to i had discord for like a year because during the pandemic, I got really bored and I started like doing retail arbitrage where I would like buy shit for the low and then flip it like Nintendo Switches and shit. Really? So you'd buy it for like what and then sell it for what? So like I'd get a Nintendo Switch for like retail like $2.99 and then sell it for like $450. I'm not buying a little Nintendo Switch from a nigga named Bootleg Cash.

Well no. On offer up, that's not my name, brass. But so I was a part of this Discord group called FlipSeek and they would tell you like they'd give you like shit to flip. We had to pay to be a part of it. Really? But yeah, all pandemic, I was just bored fucking

just selling shit on offer up. And it was actually doing good. I made so much money selling weights, selling fucking jacuzzis, inflateable pools. Why can you buy it for $300 and sell for $450? The people paying $450, they just aren't clued in enough?

Like early pandemic, switches were like, the supply chain was fucked. So if you can get Nintendo Switches for whatever we said. I wish you weren't saying Nintendo switches and you were just saying switches so that we could pretend this was a little dirt verse. they're booming

would have been crazy yo clip this bootleg cam on selling switches during the pandemic and we gotta get AI fucking versions of them just loading up guns shit on oblo

yeah like that I mean dude like inflatable pools were booming bro so you'd like be able to get like these inflatable pools and so on for like

seven times is what you fucking I mean it kind of suck because you know people couldn't work out you have to have it or it's like no I buy this shit

but you hold it for a period of time or does it just get shit no right away so like I'd get an alert there's like these bots like so when the you know those uh adjustable dumbbells yeah so during the pandemic you couldn't go to the gym in l. yeah oh and i remember trying to buy weights at that time you were having my girl be like uh it's $400 for a fucking 45 pound weight or some shit and so i was

the guy selling it for $400. Hey i can't hit on it i respect it yeah that was just fucking beating up with strangers all pandemic off of offer up man and were they ever like yo you're that guy yeah a couple of the times i almost got robbed at the 7-11 on Glen Oaks and Burbank. For what? So I was supposed to meet up with the guy to buy a PS5. So I went to

and I was texting the guy in Offer Up and he had like a verified profile and I told the dude like hey because I don't, if I buy shit I usually try not to do cash because I'm not trying to get robbed right? So I told the guy I said hey dude I don't have I don't have the cash. It's like 9 o'clock

at night. Can I sell it to you? He was like yeah, I just asked my mom. user Zell, whatever. So I pull up the side of the 7-Eleven on Glenn Oaks and Burbank, and there's two dudes sitting there with a PlayStation box, right? But they look like hell of fucking, they just look sketched out. But they look like they're like 17. So I'm like, whatever.

Maybe they're nervous that I'm a rob that. So I'm a rob you from what I hear. Right. Damn it, Kelpie. So mind you, I have zero cash on me, like no cash, nothing. So I get out the car, and one dude's holding the PS5, and the other dude just pulls a gun out and points it right at me. And he says, don't run. And I said, shit.

So I left my car there running with the door open, booked it, hit the corner next into the 7-Eleven. You just ran. And as soon as I saw the gun, I booked it, bro. I said, these motherfuckers are going to shoot me in the back or they're pussy, because they're kids. You're going to shoot a moving target that's running away from you? And I just left my car there. Then they shot the opposite direction.

They ran the opposite direction. Yeah, because they were like, oh, shit. this ain't going to go how we thought it was going to go. Also, these motherfuckers, I'm communicating them. I don't have cash on me. So I didn't know what they were going to do. Like, put a gun on my head and tell me to send money to an account or something. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, it was crazy. They're just assuming that you might have more stuff that they could take from me? Or like the car. I left the car running right there with the door open. And they didn't grab it. Yeah. That's an insane story. I'm not going to lie, though.

Like, the other night I was watching, there's this guy like Bing Gaza or some shit. He's like a YouTuber who makes all these finance videos. And I was watching a video where he actually. talked about how he had taken on this he took on this whole career of like making YouTube videos and stuff about drop shipping because he does like drop shipping where he also will like promote the shit via TikTok I guess that that's the big move or whatever and he made this video basically explaining how he's kind of leaving his YouTube career behind because he can make so much money off of doing the thing the thing he's teaching people that he already has been teaching

people right and he has like a course and stuff and I almost spent 300 bucks to buy this fucking drop shipping course because he was doing such a good job of like convincing me that this would be interesting. Good money, man. And I'm thinking, like, I have an additional advantage because we already have big ass social media on TikTok and everything like that. So if we advertise, like, branded, because all we would have to do is think of something that's like a product that isn't like No Jumber branded, but it's something that

would appeal to the No Jumper audience and then just pump that shit out via TikTok ads or whatever, yeah. Yeah. It could be like a mag charger, just something like that, whatever, right? Like something that you're like, damn, we could just drop. There's zero overhead. because when I was watching that video of him saying that, I couldn't help but like kind of see the parallel of what my shit is like,

where sometimes I look at my life and I'm like, you know, I put so much of myself into doing these interviews. Like even just last week, I did 16 pieces of content, 15 pieces of content in four days. You know, and one of them was, I went on somebody else's podcast, one was Sledge Lords or two were Sledge Lords. One was the No Jumper show. And then besides that was 11 or 12 interviews.

Yeah. And so, you know, I like doing it. I like this channel. I like what I've created. But also it's like sometimes I think about the other things that I have on my plate that I could be putting my time into. You know, like I made many, many hundreds of thousands of dollars last year from signing only fans, girls, you know?

Yeah, I think you would tell them me that that's, I mean, that's a nice. You know, it's like I, if I, if I, if I, And sometimes I'm forced to kind of think about that. Like if my goal at this point of my life is to make as much money as I can and take care of my family as best as I can, grinding out 11 podcasts in a row might not necessarily be the best idea, right? Tons of time, tons of bandwidth. For stuff that, like, sometimes you put a YouTube video on,

you make like $300 and you're like, okay. So for you, do you ever see yourself, like, maybe not necessarily retiring, but fully stepping away on that no jumper just kind of run itself? with other personalities, other faces. I feel like that only maybe feels tempting to me because of what No Jumper has turned into. Because you can remove yourself from the stress. Yeah.

And I'm sure the taxing part of your personal life being overly exposed has got to be. That's the one thing. Like, you know, I got a wife. I got kids. And I'm like, man, I can't even imagine motherfuckers talking about my shit on Reddit. Exactly.

And it's like there are. But you also have a, a podcast which a girl where you guys fuck chicks together so you know exactly and that you know all like that's the problem is that the more stuff i do that starts making money the more i look at this and i'm kind of like i started doing this because i liked it you know slash because i needed to fucking figure something out in my life in general as soon as it starts to feel like oh i'm not enjoying this it's like well why the fuck am i doing it because you know i like i know i know there's one poker dude he won like 10 million dollars and he'd been chilling

ever since. He's like, I got what I needed out of it. Yeah. I was only doing poker as a means to make money. Yeah. And like when I've talked to him and I'm just like, oh, so like you don't have that thing anymore. Like me as an American, I think, oh, if I want $10 million playing poker, now I got to figure out how I'm going to make another $10 million, how I'm going to fucking flip it to $100. Exactly. How I'm going to create a whole business around us, whatever. Like, that just kind of makes sense to me. And when I look at that, and he's just kind of like, you're Like, no, like I've done really well for myself. I'm probably not going to spend this much money like if the rest of my life.

For the rest of my life, I probably won't spend $10 million. I don't know if I would feel that way because the cost of living is so high in L.A. that $10 million does not sound like you would be able to just chill for the rest of your life. It's not to fuck you that it would be in Montana. Exactly. Name dash is punching air right now. You could tell some people to fuck you with $10 million. For sure.

But you're not going to be able to be like, I have a beach house in Malibu and also fuck you. And also fuck you, yeah. Yeah, that's not going to work out. But yeah, I mean, that's kind of like my overall goal is to just like get no jumper to the point where it's fun, it's good for the host, and everybody's enjoying themselves, but that there isn't this like weird like level of just beef going on all the time or where it's just like unpleasant. And like even when I look at myself, when I look at the way I've felt for the for the last 24 hours, it's like fundamentally different than how I felt when that whole house phone showed.

was unfolding. I felt horrible about that house phone thing. This shit is, I feel like I'm so jaded to having like just random shit about my personal life become conversation for everybody to have online. You're like to sensitize to it. Exactly. It's like hard for me to even get emotional about it or whatever. Like I felt bad about the fact that AD found out some shit that I said from somebody else, even though ultimately the shit that I said was really like whatever. But it just didn't really like, it just didn't hit the same. It was like maybe this is just shit that needs to happen in order for this shit to just, you know,

it's just not, I don't know. It's like, and that's what's weird about it too is everybody looks at it like, oh, No Jumper is this big success because of all the hosts. And because of the drama. Yeah, and it's like, bro, I don't feel that way. I would way rather get less views on the channel

and just have it be consistent and fun and enjoyable for everybody. And you'd be at a little more peace. Exactly. Yeah. Because ultimately, like, us having a big month on No Jumper, YouTube-wise or whatever, it's like not that different from us having a bad month.

Right. Like for me personally, like we're good. Like we're making enough money that we don't have to chase after every last fucking beef-based view. When did you guys start editing the curse words out? See, that's another thing is that we used to go live. I'll just say numbers. We used to go live and like a two-hour live podcast. We would make like maybe $2,500, $3 grand from the podcast, right?

From YouTube ads. And that would be like, okay, dope. we can pay the host and then we still have a little bit of money left over afterwards or whatever over the course like the past year is literally gone to like 10% of that so if we're live and we do a two-hour video it's going to make like 300 bucks wow and you're kind of like hoping that the super chats hit and you know all that kind of shit but we've never been that kind of channel where we're even like engaging with the chat like that when we were doing it live it was like we weren't looking at the chat because my thing has always been like if we're going to have a really

good conversation, it will get fucked up by the chat. I'm not against popping the chat up once in a while. I think when you and I were live or I forget what show you had me on, but I think you guys looked at the chat at the end. Yeah, yeah, we were doing that for a while, but even that we kind of stopped doing a while back. So it's like, we've never really like stressed making as much money as possible off of the live stream podcast shit.

We just kind of were doing it to do it, you know? But then, yeah, like the fact that the money got split down to like a tenth of what it was. Strictly because of curse words. Profanity. Yeah. I mean, I feel like if you go live and you never swear, you'd probably be all right and you'll probably be making like a better dollar amount.

But I mean, that that right there is like, you know, it's just, it's not the, it's not the difference between like a couple hundred dollars and a couple thousand dollars for us is like not that huge. But it does stand out as like,

oh, so I'm like doing this for free slash when I pay the host, I'm paying the host out of pocket. It's costing you money. Yeah, definitely. Which is like that, that in and of itself is kind of like insulting to the team.

Because to them, it's like the idea that we're not, making any money. But now they have their own YouTube channels and they all see exactly what it's like and how fucking hard it is. Right, right, right, right. So that's why we started pre-record and editing

curse words out and stuff. Because at a certain point, like, you know, I talk to Vlad all the time and it's like, Vy doesn't give a fuck about live. You only been live one time. And like, you know, like he makes content and then puts it out in the way

that is going to make him the most money. He has the membership shit so you can watch the full boozy interview before it comes out. He puts it out clip by clip. And then he puts out the full thing and puts it on. Facebook, whatever. Like, we do, we just put the shit out. And like, like, I don't feel like I have

any real, like, obligation to doing it live aside from the fact that the fans like it. Right. But it's like, at the end of the day, if it's the difference between us running a business that's making a decent amount of money off of the podcast doing versus losing, it just becomes like an incredibly easy decision. And yeah, I mean, like, I, what all this kind of also has made me want to just be more transparent about, did you see the part of Van Laithen talked to AD yesterday? Yeah, that was my favorite part. I mean, he bodied it. Yeah, that shit was probably like Oscar worthy.

I didn't see it. He wasn't acting, but it was dope. I didn't see it. He basically, like, gave AD a talking to that was like, I'll try to summarize it. I'm sure you guys can find it on YouTube. But he said, us, black people, we tend to, or he was basically saying that they tend to take stuff very personal and think that business stuff might also be synonymous with friendship. shit. And Van used the example of at TMZ where

he would have a family member who was sick or there'd be somebody else who work there and their family members are sick and he's donating or they're all joining together to make somebody feel better because their relatives are going through something rough, etc. And then Van got fired from TMZ

and everybody just stayed there. They probably wished him well or kept talking to him a bit or whatever. But they were like, if he's fired, I'm out. Exactly. Right. And they might have, you know, the truth is, is that maybe that that would have moved

the needle for Van, like maybe if fucking 15 people who worked at TMZ said, like, no, we're leaving a fucking van gets fired. Then maybe Van would have been able to keep that job. I think he was also, like, he said he was super burnt out on the job by that point. He didn't like what it had become and everything. But, you know, like, AD is somebody who I don't think, I don't think he's ever had, like, a job per se, you know, he's always been kind of doing his thing independently. He probably had, like, jobs back in the day.

but he never you know to him is like no jumper is like a friendship and then everything else after that was just like you know how we figure out how much money we're paying and stuff that's what sucks is that if you're friends with somebody and then you start paying them it's like the money kind of becomes a representation of how much you care about them to that person exactly they kind of end up because it's hard to take it to not take it that way when you know you're both doing business together and your friends it's like to a lot of people like once when those two things are going on side by side, it's like almost impossible to like unweave them from each other.

Yeah. So I think that like whatever conversation me and AD have going forward about what's going to happen with the Wednesday show or him even being involved at the brand at all, it's like after listening to that Van Lathen conversation and especially juxtaposing what van was saying versus what pun was saying where pun was doing like the ultimate version of like being on stream trying to hype shit up for views, you know? Because he's like blatantly like refusing to actually engage with me on the stuff that we were talking about. Like when I'm saying like how was me talking a lush about a decision that I had made about the podcast?

How is that any different from you guys talking about the decision that you made with kicking crazy off a community? It's like, well, that's a pretty fucking good point. And I feel like that deserves like an honest answer. Right. And he wasn't even trying to be honest. You know? And that's kind of like I said on the Tuesday show a little while back like this shit changes people. like pay very, very close attention to how streaming and making content will make you and the people around you behave fundamentally different because now your incentives have changed where a very like, you know, cool, chill conversation doesn't really do anything for you on social media or on YouTube, but like a crazy fucking conversation where you end up exaggerating what everybody's done and completely like just double down on things that don't even make sense. Like that shit is just so much more.

Because it's appealing. Because the bag is bigger. Yeah. Right. And so then like you have somebody like in that in that conversation with AD, I felt like I got pun right here just hyping shit up and trying to make it as bad as possible, trying to sow division in between this conversation. Because trust me, the conversation that me and AD had had a few hours earlier before that

was way more civil than what it looked like on camera, you know? And that shit like the shit really does change people. So now it's like more than ever, it's like, I need to have the conversation when I make somebody part of no jumper about like what this is. Like we're going to work together, make content. And if you do good, I want to, I feel like I'm talking about court right now. Right. You just started.

You might as well give him the talk on a hall. Give him the talk right now. If you do good, we're going to embrace the fuck out of you and we're going to try to work to do more stuff together. Like if you end up becoming somebody that the audience really fucks with. And like sometimes it's kind of like you don't have that conversation. beforehand necessarily, but the opposite end of that is no matter how much I like you, if the fans don't fuck with you, then that kind of like forces me to make this decision about how hard we fuck with a person, you know?

And like my goal in doing all this is definitely to like help people and make their shit bigger and better and make them famous and stuff. And I'm fucking done it over and over where there's like all kinds of people now who basically like are well known from no jumper. and I feel really good about that. But also it's like, you know, while somebody is working for no jumper or while they're as part of the team, you know, then we kind of need to be able to have conversations about how we're going to move so that we all stay on the same page. If we want to make the next version of No Jumper different than the version that we've been basically dealing with for the last couple years, you know.

Hypothetically speaking, let's say AD and T.R.L. are no longer a part of No Jumper moving forward in a hypothetical world. does do you think that that negatively affects the business or is that just a short-term thing because I feel like that now like back on fig and community have like yeah they have their own momentum they have some crazy fans too right definitely so like for you like in a world in which that may or may not happen like how like does it really throw that big of a wrench into the dynamic of I guess the business of no jumper it doesn't fuck up the business of no jumper but it definitely fucks up like the sense of what we've been building, I think, you know,

like that's why I'm definitely trying to keep the Wednesday thing going. But at the same time, like when I was ready to have this conversation with AD, it's like I knew that even if it meant that no jumper was going to implode as a result of me having that conversation, I just can't be in a relationship with somebody podcast-wise where I'm scared to tell them how I feel, you know? Or like, not like scared, like, oh, you're going to beat me up or whatever. but like scared in the sense of like I don't want to hurt your feelings

and I don't want to cause drama on camera or whatever it's like really I probably should have told AD that shit like a long time ago like before I even like as soon as I started thinking about it you know right I'm glad I gave myself some time to think about it before I hit them up about it but you know it's like I'm trying to make

like ultimately what does no John Barry exist for like I want to build a great brand but I also want to enjoy my life while I'm here you know I want to have a good time on camera and everything like that and it's like I feel like at certain points I've kind of let the expectations of the fans allow me to turn something to turn no jumper into something that I'm not as happy about you know and it's like I just kind of realized over the past week

or whatever they I don't give a fuck like I want to make this like what I want it to be and if there's like hard conversations that I have to have that may result in people not fucking with me or whatever that's fine like we could we could do that we could have those conversations this stuff. So it's like I would, I'd be bummed if T-Roll and AD decided that they had to go that way. I don't know why we're leaving a Duno out of this. Dunos obviously doing great as well. Shout out to Brown Bag morning. Well, even though they're on the station, I go up against, I'm proud of those guys. Shout out to the Brownback podcast. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely just like, I don't know. I just felt like even me having that conversation with AD was like, like,

think about that fact that I thought about that for so long before I had the conversation, because I knew how much potential there was for it to be damaging to the relationships of people here. And then a motherfucker elite. And think about with Lush, too. That's why I kind of resent being acted like people acting like I'm talking behind 80s back. It's like it would have been fair for me to have like a million conversations with Lush about this. It would have been fair for me to have way more in-depth conversations with somebody like Lush if he was playing on and staying on the show. right it's just like the only things that I was even caught for saying were things that I had

already basically said to his face right and so I just don't like I mean at a certain point it's just like bro I would rather do a dope podcast where I could just have conversations every week and not have it be some drama thing so it's like that that's kind of part of it too is it's like if we keep doing the Wednesday show do I really want to keep doing that if it's going to also mean that there's just this like kind of like constant feeding frenzy from other channels that of people who are on the channel who then who are on our channel who then also have their own channels where they're kind of like to me sometimes making shit worse I'm not saying always making it worse but like it definitely hype shit up in a way that I'm not comfortable

with sometimes how do you feel about the narrative that no jump is failing or going down the drain because it's like a whispering narrative but it's just in there I mean there's a lot of different ways that people will judge how you're doing as a business and the the thing about that is that like i just explained having you know a bunch of different live podcasts on the on the channel it's costing me a lot of money so that doesn't really like bother me that much because in the reality is is that like why am i a fucking grown man almost 40 and i'm kind of like judging myself too much on metrics that don't really matter like the fact like how many live viewers we have or whatever. It's like, you know, and like even even taking this show and putting it as a

pre-recorded thing instead of like doing it live. It's like, like, do I really have so much of my ego wrapped up in the numbers that I'm willing to put that before like the money and the happiness? Because the business and my own happiness slash the people around me's happiness seems like a way better thing for me to be sort of judging it on. So I mean, yeah, like obviously no jumper to a certain extent has. kind of falling apart over the past a couple weeks, you know? Like, that's just reality is that the house phone thing happened and then all

this shit happened and we don't even know what the fuck is going to happen Wednesday or whatever. But, I mean, that doesn't really bother me that much just because like everything else with the business is doing so well. And the reality is, is that I could just take time off. Like, I could take fucking time off and just do whatever. And like, you know, like, I don't want to do that,

but I mean, I'm chilling. You know? I mean, if you're doing a half a million views a day off a catalog, You know, and that's like that. Like I have all kinds of other income streams at this point. So it's like, realistically, I could take my sweet-ass time in terms of figuring out what's going on with building shit on here. But I also feel like, you know, it's just not that big a deal. Like, it's like, even people saying it's falling apart, we're talking about like a couple different live streams a week that we get like 100, 150,000 views and then earn a very small amount of money.

in comparison to the amount of money we're investing in it. And nobody wants to hear that, but that's the reality of it is that it's like, we lose money on this shit. We do that because it makes the channel look good and then that maybe attracts more. Sponsors. You know, I mean, has that ever happened? I don't know that we get more sponsors as a result of the fact that we have all this crazy shit going on the channel.

I doubt it. It's like, you know, almighty suspect fucked up that little pimp kid. Here's a bag. We'd like to sponsor that. Yeah. Maybe scumbags would, you know? Scumbags is probably pretty on board with that sort of thing, yeah. Yeah, I mean, just shout out the scumbags.

Yeah, I didn't even use condoms until I started getting them for free, so. Oh, that is it, that is definitely a condom bag. I see what they did. Condombs style. There's weed inside. I see what they did there. Okay. Geniuses of marketing. Can they see that?

It might be so on the table that they can't see it, but shout out of the skumbags. Yeah. Ultra thin. Is there weed in here or a leaf? Uh, weed, yeah. Okay. We might not have filled the, we filled those. Oh, you filled them.

Okay, okay. So we might not have put as much as they would have put. That's fair. Yeah. Let's say this is some, this weed feels like paper. You want to know something funny? Did you watch that movie that I mentioned? No, I did.

Which one? Good. Have you heard of women talking? No. So I told him and I told Lush. Because we were talking about what we were going to do on the show or whatever. And me and my girl were in the middle of watching this movie called women talking. And it's basically, it's a story about a bunch of women who live in this.

cult and at a certain point they figure out like a super strict religious cult and it's based on a book from about a bunch of women in Bolivia but like I think in the movie they don't specify where they're from or whatever but there are a bunch of dudes in the town that they live in who have been going

to the women's like dorms that they sleep in in this religious community and using cow tranquilizer to and this movie like won a fucking Oscar and shit like over the weekend but using cow tranquilizer to drug the women and then rape them. Wow.

Jesus. That's dark. Heavy. Did they get pregnant? Like, they didn't know what was happening to them. So they would just wake up in the morning, like super fucked up. Bruises all over the place or like, yeah, some of them did get pregnant. Some of them are getting SDs and shit.

They're probably thinking it's some like religious shit going on. Because the fucking dudes, the same dudes who were doing it were convincing them, sorry for the spoilers. We're convincing them that it's like coming from God or that it's like coming from God or that. It's just whatever. And so it's actually funny because the reason why we watched it was because me and Leonard were having a conversation about watching a documentary that really made us like feel good about life.

Like we were like, we got to watch one of these documentaries that like really just focuses on the human spirit. No, this is a movie. But we somehow ended up watching that instead because my mom had told me about it that morning. And it was like probably one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen. So I decided to do a little test.

And I was like, lush, court, you should watch. watch this movie because I was like if they'll actually watch that movie like homework yeah but like you're fucking crazy if you watch that movie because that movie is depressing it's like you're it's like a movie you would never want to watch in your normal life if you didn't send me the trailer I would have checked it out because I don't never check all trailers but I was like man bro that's why that's why there's that movie that uh Brendan Fraser won a Oscar for Whale was that whale yeah so I guess it's a it's about like this morbidly obese guy who's like wheelchair ridden and did he gain Madison

wait for the movie? I don't know, but my son's telling me about it because my son's like a movie nerd. So he's like, I don't want to watch a dad because it just looks like one of the depressing-ass movies. So I guess he has like a few weeks or like a month to like the doctor pretty much says you're going to die soon because you're such a fat fuck. Right. And he's trying to create a relationship with his daughter that he never had before he

dies. And I'm like, sounds like, you know, the type of movie that would win an Oscar that I will not be fucking watching. Yeah. Because I'm good. Yeah, that's what I was thinking watching the Oscars is like so many of these movies seem like really boring, shitty movies that I would not want to see.

But everything everywhere all at once? You seen that? Fucking gas. My mom was just telling me that I had to watch that and then I've seen it win all those Oscars. It's one of the best movies I've seen in like 10 years. Oh, I've got to get on that. It's amazing.

There's so much shit wrapped up into it. It's like, it's so good. They deserve to suit the whole shit. It pissed me off, though, seeing the director wearing a fucking red suit with the word punk on the back of the Oscars. Oh, man. I was like, that is not punk,

but then I found out that it's like a reference. GK direct it? No, it's a reference to a shirt that a girl wore in the show or in the movie. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So I was like, okay, I can respect that. But yeah, me watching the, I don't think I ever watched the Oscars before. Did you watch them Sunday? Yeah, because I happened to be at my girl's family's house.

And in between going outside to smoke cigarettes with her uncle, I was watching that shit. And it was pretty fucking lame, I'm going to be honest. I actually didn't watch, but I just saw the clips of the speeches and shit. I know. And that's why I was thinking of my. about afterwards, I was like, this is so the kind of thing that I would watch like four clips on Twitter from and then have a whole conversation on the podcast about it. But then I was also like, bro, what am I turning into? Because I know a lot of people who like their whole thing, not like I know

them, but like I see all these right wing dudes on Twitter and stuff where their whole thing is that they like watch content that obviously isn't for them. And then they talk about how much they fucking hate it. I was just scrolling through my feet and I seen like a little, it was like a Twitter live stream video or whatever and it was like a bunch of fucking neck beard dudes watching genius videos. Yeah, where they're like reciting the lyrics to the song. Oh, man. And they're just reacting like, oh, man. I didn't click on it, but I assume they're talking about how dumb, listen to how stupid this

girl sounds and listen to the lyrics are so bad. It's kind of like the internet now though, right? Yeah. Because you guys like Kyle Kalinsky and David Pacman and then they kind of do the liberal version of that, right? Yeah, I follow Matthew Iglesias on Twitter and he fucking during CPAC, which is the conservative conference. Trump is on stage and he's obviously given this like unhinged fucking speech about whatever.

And they're like that Matthew Iglesi's guy is watching it and snipping and posting clips all throughout it. So this is like the most liberal left-leaning guy. And he's out here just serving up content for all his followers who want to like hate watch Trump, which to me there was a period where I hate watch Trump. It was while he was the president of the United States or while he was running. You know, that kind of seemed relevant. I think everybody did. Yeah. Now it doesn't really seem like a good use of my time to like focus in on things that I know is going to kind of piss me off.

He's like fucking powerless, except for the fact that he might really be the president again. Yeah, that's a strong possibility. Or at least would be the Republican candidate. Yeah, I think once you kind of understand that the energy you give shit to affect your like day-to-day life, even subconsciously, you don't even realize it. But it does, man. Because I'm sitting there watching the Oscars and the dude comes out and he's giving the award and he's like signing. He's like doing all the sign language shit. That was the guy who banged like four different games just now.

I have a whole other set of problems now. But I'm like, so this guy comes out. Because I'm like, when you watch the Oscars, you get to see like real wokeness and action. Oh yeah, it's disgusting. It's actually hilarious. In a way that I wouldn't necessarily really even know existed otherwise. Because I'm watching this guy come out and give the fucking, you know,

sign language speech. and the woman that he's with is just straight up like I am so proud of all the women in here who are just really showing what women are capable of and I'm just sitting there watching it like are you fucking serious who was hosting Jimmy Kimmel Jimmy Kimmel yeah anyway he's laughing him

nah he had mad jokes about the Wilson the whole time the whole time it was just like let this be the last time anyone makes a fuck a Will Smith Chris Rock joke yeah but he ended it pretty good because he's basically like calling out the audience for being fucking cowards and pussies by applaud him. I fuck with Kimmel. No, yeah, yeah, for sure.

He was funny. Although when you're watching him, like, are you able to watch him for long without, like, thinking about the fact that it's so obvious that a room full of writers wrote all these fucking jokes? All of it. Yeah. I mean, that's all the late night talk TV, though. It's too funny for him, for one man to have come up with it. Correct. To write all these good jokes

and one man who has, like, a schedule, like Jimmy Kim. And if he was that great, he should be doing stand-up in Vegas, like, once a month or something. Yeah. And, yo, he had a bust down L-O-L moment that made me laugh so fucking hard that everybody around the house was like, what? They thought something must have been wrong because I laugh so hard.

Jimmy Kimmel goes, and I'm fully prepared for you guys not to get this joke, and that's okay because you might not know about this yet, but he goes, when I look out at all these beautiful faces out there, it just really makes me ask myself, is Ozempic right for me? Oh, shit. That's good, right? That's one of them like TV medicines and stuff like that. It's like a diabetic medication that, like you injected a couple times.

a week and it's it's literally making like a lot of people lose like 30% of their fucking body fat oh wow like it's super powerful the jury is kind of out on a lot of the side effects but people are taking it that don't have diabetes people are taking it like kim kardashians on it really yes that's like she's like rail thin now what the fuck and like the word on the street is that like everybody in hollywood is on it so when he said that and he got such a laugh from the people too because they all know that they're all fucking on it and uh that that was the and that language of like is those that right for me because I haven't seen it but I know they say that in the commercials.

Yeah. I was just like, bro, this is. Are the side effects crazy? Um, because I could use a. I mean, you might want to talk to your doctor about if it's right for you. I don't have insurance. Some, I know one girl who got on it and it's, it's meant for like real deal obese people, right? Right.

I know a girl who got on it was probably like 110 pounds and she told me that she got really fucked up stomach issues from it. That's a weird. Yeah, that's. I've lost almost 40 pounds over the course of the last six months. and I'm just be real. I'm not taking any fucking weird-ass diabetes medications. You're just eating better, right?

I'm eating good and I'm just working out. Yeah. So I feel like amazing. Yeah. I'm kind of starting to feel like Enderly chop because I took like four shits yesterday. Remember when he bragged on Twitter about he was taking eight shits in a day? Yeah.

I was worried about him. I think he was capping for the metamusal sponsorship, but it's not over. No, he'll come into the, like, I've interviewed him probably four times in the last like two years. He takes shit. He comes in with the fucking all kinds of fucking oceans and oceans. A jar of poof. He comes in with like a little kid potty He goes out of special water and shit

He'd be living in this real. Bro, I interviewed this girl Coco Bliss That he did a YouTube video with And there's like a moment where he goes and picks her up And they go back to his crib together, right? And she's eating a full fucking plate That his chef made of like rotisserie chicken And all this food looks amazing

It looks so good And then Enely Chop is literally just eating A massive plate of fruit Yeah, he's on a raw. It's a raw veggie diet. So he only eats stuff that's uncooked

vegetables and fruits. That's it. I'm going to be honest with you, I feel like I could eat that scumbags box full of fucking fruit right now and it would fill me up like 1%. Like that is just

fruit does not fill me up like that. Like maybe his body has changed from being on the fruit diet for so long, but I don't think that that would fill me up. It kind of makes you want to keep eating. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's why I got to have a coffee because that kind of, the coffee kind of will get through another three or four hours. Fruit is like the thing that I'll eat a little bit of after. I eat a bunch of protein and carbs or whatever. So you're not doing like keto or nothing.

Nah, but I just eat like really healthy in general. And I don't even know that much about my diet because I have a meal prep place that just gives me like different protein with vegetables every day, like a couple meals a day. So I make myself bacon and eggs and then I eat that shit. So like people are always like, what are your macros? Like what percentage of fat are you having in the meal? I'm like, I don't. I just eat what I'm given.

Yeah. And then you make your eggs that. You had like a TikTok that went viral with just scrambled eggs, right? Which is, yeah, TikTok going viral that I'm just like, this is what I've been eating every day for 20 years. And I'm just like, this went viral of all fucking things. That's what I hate about that platform. I took my girl snowboarding for Valentine's Day for the first time,

and I fucking did a bunch of nice shit in the video and stuff. 50,000 views. Did not do it. Kudos to you, because I have yet to commit to, like, learn. Like, I put clips on TikTok. but like making a TikTok myself. I'm just not sure like

yeah I don't know I'm not even sure how much longer but it's kind of like the same thing as a real now. Yeah well now if you're gonna make one you might as well post it on those two and shorts but the problem is

all right so we saw a little light at the end of the tunnel for a little bit because it was like oh they're going to monetize YouTube shorts and then it's like oh if you get 30 million views you will make like $1,000 yeah because I got some

some bullshit. I got a short up there that I think's got like 7 million views or some shit with Emont Shumper and that shit has maybe made like $400. So even that is pretty fucking good. Yeah. Four and a book.

It was like just something where it's like, you know, if this was a long form, how much money is a $7 million or $7 million of you fucking interview going to make you if it's over 10 minutes? But how do you feel when you see somebody else clip your shit and put it on TikTok and it's got 20 million views?

It happens a lot. bagging you. You're not even reference. So it happens a lot, but I also look at it as like free promotion for me. Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? It's just kind of part of the game. Like I could be a bitch about it and like complain or like it's kind of just promoting my shit more, you know? So I mean, and like really what can I do except for report?

Report it. And then it's like, is it worth me like going out on my way to fucking flag some dude's shit? Like I don't know. It's just such a hustle for so many people now. It's definitely a hustle. Just repurposing content. I see you all the time. Hustle. Yeah. Not a bad hustle either. At least you could do that shit, man. I had a joke go viral on TikTok, and I go to this stand-up club to do a set.

Somebody in there's in there telling my fucking joke. Shut up, really? Dude, I waded it outside that spot. I was about to beat this dude's ass. And you didn't run into him? No, he took forever to come out that shit. So you're over. So you actually do stand-up?

Yeah, I do stand-up. Oh, okay. What was the joke concerning? Basically, I said that I lost so much money in crypto. I almost joined the Pai-Rooz. That's a good joke. It's a great fucking joke. That's great.

And then he put like a whole buildup, a different buildup, a different setup and shit premise, but still got to the same punchline. And then like he knew what the fuck was going on because I told him like I went straight to his table. I'm like, dude, that's my fucking joke. I'm going to see you outside. And I said outside. But did he seem like he was down with it or that he was like ducking it? At first he was just like, oh, dude, because I took my glasses off and I was just like,

dude that's my fucking joke and he's oh shit that's you dinner like he basically so he admitted to that shit immediately that's crazy if he admitted it because as a comedian I feel like you have a ton of plausible deniability right because something like crypto crashing is like we all can make up jokes about something that

yeah there's 50,000 people online trying to think of a joke about the crypto crash so like the idea that like somebody else could land on the pyroo joke instead or whatever I could see it I should have 40 million views on one platform another 3 million on Instagram Like it was clearly my shit

Stealing jokes in the stand-up world is like fucking It's like saying the fucking N-word or something It's like it's like it's like the no-no But it's weird too because it's like You probably aren't gonna say the N-word by accident Yeah True Not everybody

Unless you sing along to a rap song Yeah Well even then though we know We know we know how to hold back on that right From Chicago too like you could tell He was old He was older than you He had to be like 45 or some shit like that

So I'm not saying old but he was older So you could tell he went to like some kids platform trying to rustle up some jokes think he can use it around other older people when the fucking originators sitting right in the crowd waiting to go up after you. That's happened to me on Twitter where I was thinking about making a joke. And then I like caught myself and thought, has someone else made this joke? I bet somebody else has made this joke. And then I go search a couple of key terms.

Pops up. Find some guy with 20,000 likes because I also don't trust myself because I don't know if I saw it. And you didn't. It's just subconsciously. Yeah. One time I said to my friend, I'm like, Oh my God, I have the best idea. A bar full of arcade games, and you call it barcade.

Oh, shit. He goes, that's already a bar in Brooklyn. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, it is. And I'm like, oh, shit. There's one in San Diego. There's one in North Hollywood. Right.

It's almost certain that I heard about it, forgot I heard about it, and then thought of it as if it was my own idea. But it's also like a low-hanging fruit idea. Like, what if we put video games in a bar and called it a bar-case? Like a million people could have thought of that without ever hearing it. That's some white shit, bro. Christiak for Columbus did that same thing. This is something that's inherently...

This is what we do. Yeah. Now, the other day, I saw this girl Carmen Carman. I know those porn stars. She said, I'm sure you know all about her since you're a little perv. Who? No, okay. Carmen Karma?

By the way, a little perv. She's new. No idea who that is. She tweeted, I identify as a munch. And I was like, whoa. And I searched Twitter for I identify as a munch because I tweeted that like in August or some shit. I was like we both tweeted the same stupid fucking joke. And I bet that if I searched harder I could find like 50 other people who said the same joke.

Identifying as anything is hilarious. And then when you add munch in it, that's like two worlds coming together. It's low-hanging fruit. However, it's very funny. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, they just, I saw like one of the, I think it was like variety or something, put a tweet up. about the lady who won best actress.

And she said, it said the first actress to identify as an Asian. I was like, no, she's Asian. Oh, shit. But did you see the follow up to this? No. So you know Twitter, like it can add notes, like community notes is what it's called

where they can like basically add a correction to it or whatever. There was some other woman in the 50s or 60s or whatever who won an Oscar was Asian but did not publicly identify as Asian. as Asian. She said that she was white or she like made some efforts to hide it because back then she might have like not won the award if she was telling the people she was Asian. Yeah like it was

a much more racist time. So I saw that and I was like oh so there is a reason why they phrased it like that which is kind of reasonable but also like maybe you could have like explained that in the tweet. Right. Instead of calling him. I just saw that and I was like because I thought about that white dude who tried to turn himself

into a Korean guy. Oh yeah. Yeah. You got all those surgeries from the UK. I was like Damn, that dude's like, we got one. Turns out that guy wasn't so right in the head. I mean... I mean, obviously. No shit. Yeah, but everybody like...

There's definitely like a bit of people wanting to be like, well, maybe he can identify as Korean. Speaking of transracial, did you know that Rachel Dolajal has the only fans? I heard about that. Did you subscribe? I'm not that curious. I've seen white pussy before because at the end of the day, that's what the fuck she is. She's a white woman.

And she's an old white lady. I see old white pussy before. Is she really white? Yeah, yeah, she is, bro. With that name. She just wear a low SPF and she get her hair braided. That's all. She's a white woman, though.

If she identifies as a woman of color, who am I to say otherwise? That's what the fuck we're not going to do. That's what we're not going to do. Rachel, you better go your ass home and keep popping that pussy. What if we found out that Rachel, like, really, well, no, I'm going to take that. I'm sure she did the 33 and me to try to be like, look, guys, look, I got two. That's what Kim Star did and he found out he was like 1.5% black. My boy Cyrus just did his 33 of me in his whole life.

He thought he was white and Mexican and he found out he's like 40% Jewish. So how do fuck you 40% of a religion? So check this shit out or whatever. Also an ethnic group. Not but like it was like something Jewish like some part of, I don't know. Maybe he's like Israeli or something. So he pretty much came to the conclusion that his grandma's name. neighbor, they always thought his grandma was cheating on his grandpa with the neighbor who's

Jewish. And so that pretty much confirmed that his grandma was fucking getting dick down out here in these streets by the Jewish neighbor. And now my boy is... Why you say his grandma was hitting dick down? Yeah, well, and now, uh, you know, I told him, I said, now you got to lean into it. Because he's in a music industry. He's an up-and-comer producer engineer.

I'm like, bro, you better get that iced out star of David and run that shit up, bro. Yeah. Yeah, for real. And he thought he was white and Mexican. I can't even actually say his last name, but fuck. Flores. Florstein. If I was Jewish, like if I found out right now that I was 40% Jewish,

I don't think anything changes for me. I'm getting right on a plane. I'm going to give a fuck. I'm going to go to Israel, bro. I'm going to tap it with my people. If I'm 20% and they'll pay for the trip, I heard. If I'm 20% Jewish, I'm banging West Side Judaism all day. Fuck, I'm outside, bro. Do you see a White Lotus?

I saw the first two or three episodes. turn it off if you don't want to spoil but the basic gist of it is that like one of the guys on the show finds out that his dad was gay and died of HIV and he went his whole life thinking that his dad died of cancer. I didn't see that part so thanks. Yeah, sorry.

This is one little tidbit of the show but that was pretty crazy because like it's funny too because he has like a teenage daughter who's like questioning him on the fact that he even cares. Basically calling him homophobic for the fact that he even like feels any sort of way about this. Like your dad was the same guy That's what your fucking kids are going to turn into.

Not yours, but like just kids in general. They're going to become fucking weird-ass, like antagonistic Twitter-type people that are going to basically. Yeah. Like, just seeing that and being like, holy fuck, I would be so mad at my kid if they felt like they could talk to me like that. But that's how it is already. Like, my mother is from a whole different generation. Like, she don't say lesbian. She call them bulldeggers.

Bull daggers? I've heard bulldike. What's a bulldagger? A bulldagger is basically like. A bull dagger. Dyke, but it's like some old school, like, retro offensive shit. Is that word similar to the F word? Dyke?

No, yeah, Dyke's okay. I have people gone on my case for saying it before. Okay, I don't know. I hear them say studs, and I hear them say staties. I know studs fine. Stadies. But Dyke is kind of like the word that you would kind of like, it's obviously, it's supposed to be an insult, right?

They got such hard symbols in it. I don't think it's supposed to be insult. Because, okay. The thing about when you say faggy is that it's not supposed to be like a critique of a super specific type of gay guy, right? Right. I think dyke is a specific archetype that we're referring to, right? Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's offensive in the same way.

When I think of a stud, I think of like Queen Latifah and set it off or Young M.A., right? Right. So is a dyke supposed to be like similar? Yeah, I think those are the same thing. And if you real, real woke is masculine presenting. That's one thing On the Oscars They kind of like

Dip and Dodge Having to say Anything about like women It's like you know Like there was a couple different speeches That I caught and it was very loud in that house I was missing out on crucial pieces of dialogue But it's a lot of like

Identify as a woman They don't want to say like a woman Hmm Yeah They don't go as far with it as you might think If you're terminally on Twitter like I am It's not like every instance Of the word woman

has to be turned into identifying as a woman. Yeah, like, yeah, I don't know, bro. That's why I got, I'm just so careful about, because, you know, I'm not trying to get canceled in these streets. I'm on like 25 radio stations now. Have you been close in recent memory, though? No, I mean, I think that, for the most part,

I've kind of been able to kind of fly into the radar of being, getting people too pissed off at me. I call Bruce Jenner, Bruce Gender, by accident and that shit fucked me up man like it was on camera people were mad people was mad because I said Bruce gender they thought I was gonna be funny this was like

November on stage or on a TikTok or it was on a clip that I posted on TikTok it was from a podcast yeah I called him Bruce Gender I think at this point after Bruce Jenner murdered somebody with their car you could he's fair game she's fair game we're just gonna joke on you

what's what's a Bruce Jenner's, what's the new name? Caitlin. Caitlin. Oh, you fucked me up. Because I was trying to say the right one and instead I said the dead name. God damn it.

Video demonetized. We're just dead name somebody. Damn. Is that what that's called? I forgot that it was guy to girl. I thought it was a girl to guy for a second. Wait, so hold on. When you call somebody about an old name,

you're dead naming them. And it's violence. Dead name? That is violence. Because that name is dead? Yeah. Okay. Which I get, you know, if I've been.

Caitlin Jenner. If I've been Adam my whole life and all of a sudden I'm Kylie. Don't run up on me saying Adam, although I guess I understand. But he told his daughters they can still call him dad. Well, she told her daughters they can still call them dad. This is getting to be a lot, man. I feel like, damn. But they're not a they then.

It's a she, you know. Sometimes I just be like, I don't want to be here anymore. You know what I'm saying? What are we doing here, guys? Yeah. Like you don't even have the room to make a mistake. And it's like a genuine mistake. It's not like a hateful mistake or like a, you know, I'm not going like my, one of my,

my managers, Brian Samson just, but I don't even want to. Brian Samson just started mentoring somebody who is non-binary. So this person had to, I educate him. He's a harsh guy. He's like 56. He's harsh as fuck. So he's like, yeah, today, like I had to learn about this, this, this. He's like, dude, I just, I know I'm going to fuck that up.

And I'm like, yeah, but like. that that should be expected. Right. Like you should have, to me, you should have some sort of leeway to kind of like. Yeah. There's just a lot to remember

because even on Instagram when you change your pronouns, you can set that shit to he slash she. I notice you're a they then. Yeah, yeah, I'm fucking with people. Danny asked me about that. The funny thing is when I, who was it that was on drugs?

Demi Levato and then she turned to Jose then? For a little bit. He went back. Oh, she's back. Oh, she's back now. Yeah, she's back. That was the end of me ever given a fuck about anybody being of they,

them. If you could just take it back, oh, I'm sorry. It has to be the same rules as gang banging. You got to do it before you're 18 and then you can never take it back. Or you got to get fucking, you know,

you got to get a, don't they jump you when you leave a gang? Oh, and I love that. You should have to definitely get, well, I guess the surgery is the jumping in, right? When I did that shit. A double mastectomy. You get the fucking reverse.

We're not going to beat the shit out of you. We're going to remove your tits. When I did that shit, I actually demanded that people refer to me as a plural, so it wasn't he, it was them. And then when I was on, you know, my Instagram stuff, I'm like, we're having steak for dinner and shit like that. But yo, I know a person, like the only person that I've known in my life who is really on the day them. And I don't even know them that well. I've only been around them a couple times.

But they looked very like, you know. It's a toss up. They themish. It's a toss up. Very like masculine body. But then the hair's grown out. and they're kind of wearing like girlish clothes and stuff. And in that case, I found it very,

I didn't have to use it talking to them, but then like talking about them afterwards, uh, I found it very easy to use the they and them. Because it made sense to you. Because the he and the she didn't make any fucking sense to me in my head, you know? So it was actually kind of easy for me to use it because I honestly wasn't looking

at them as either. As either because they were blur in the line. So it was a wobbler, if you will. To avoid that, I'd just say the person's name. let's say it's Adam. I will never say he. I will say Adam is bringing Adam's girlfriend.

So just always use your name and reference of you instead of pronouns. I'm going to be real, though. I don't feel like you're meeting a lot of trans people in the club in Scottsdale. I mean, I don't know, man. You know? Not that they wouldn't be welcome. They're welcome at 1111 in Scottsdale. Everyone is welcome at 1111 in Scottsdale.

But sometimes you're having conversations with people on here and you're kind of like, like people are talking about encounter. honoring trans people as if it like happens a lot more than it seems like it actually does. But then like in New York City, I mean, I lived off Santa Monica, so the shit happened. Yeah. But those are criminals. Those are vagrants. I'm going to be real with you.

Like you got like people who are like only dressing, like only crossdressing because that's their best way of making money is to wear a skirt and then go sell some busy. I knew you was going to get that shit off. Did you get the busy? I knew you was going to get that shit off. Boy pussy. Yeah. The boy pussy.

The asshole of a male. Because who was that talking about the boy? They were talking about their, uh... Their watch. I can't remember who was. There was some Joe rapper. Yeah. And he goes, I got the big bussy on me.

And you're like, sir, sir. Sir. Sir. That doesn't mean what you're thinking. As soon as I heard that shit, I was like, hey, yo, what the fuck? You have a boy pussy on your wrist. Did you fist this, did you fist this, man? That's like our vlog.

That's our vlog. And I didn't even notice it when I watched it the first. Tom, I saw it on your story or whatever. As soon as I saw it, I uncasted it from the TV. I recorded that shit. I said, oh, no, this is go. You know he's like some gangsters. He don't even know what bussy is.

He has no idea about gay shit, which for some reason we know all about. Right. But that's what it is. If you want to have conversations about shit on camera, you kind of have to know about what everybody else is doing or else you're going to be pretty fucking limited, right? Yeah. I just talked about this thing on the radio show. There's like some Catholic.

like fucking, I don't know what they are, like mercenary group that like spent $4 million to like, they paid Grindr and they paid all these other apps that are similar to try to seek out priests that were on these apps. And so like imagine paying $4 million to try to like find out if, and they're not, and it's not even like the official Catholic Church. It was like some like fucking. So what's the plan to just make sure.

sure all these priests get off or to exile them or to like, I don't know. I don't know. Or to identify who's on the internet trying to fuck them. So they're mad because they're trying to fuck adults? Correct. It's like I be, if I'm, if I'm them, I'm spending $4 million to figure out who the fuck's getting apartments across the street from elementary schools. That's what I'm thinking

like that would make sense to me. But the idea like we don't want them fucking kids. Listen, if you're a priest and you want to fuck dudes on the side and not get caught, shouldn't they just accept that? Of course. It's the children we got to. By the way, Can we, speaking of the kids thing, this whole fuck, by the way, I'm really happy that you guys have shot on Charleston White as much as you have because he's a real cock sucker. Yeah, fuck that, dude. And I understand he's being extremely racist towards Asians to the point where it's, it's like insane that this guy is even on social media anymore.

But I feel like it's not being talked about enough that he's literally advocating the raping of children. Asian babies. He said he wanted to sodomize Asian babies. And use them as alligator bait. Go to my Twitter right now. If you want to see the video, us playing it would probably be a horrible idea. We'll get removed or hate speech or something. But I quote tweeted the video on No Jumbra and I just said,

you feel like this is as bad as it's going to get like six different times during the thing? Because he keeps saying worse shit and he ends it with the Asian baby thing. I mean, I'm sorry. Like, I don't love cancel culture. I don't like seeing Dave Chappelle not be able to do comedy a certain club. That shit, no venue in the world. should condone that kind of stuff. No podcast should have him on.

But what crowd is going to be like, yeah. Like, even the crowd is going to be worth a lot of. No, and people. If he says that on stage? Yeah, but I don't think you're going to sit on stage. He probably would have gave a like cleaned up version of himself on stage with academics. I think when you guys posted on a no jumper, I just was like,

let me take a peek in these comments. Yeah. And there was like maybe 5% of the comments that were like, well, you know, Asians don't fuck with black people. And it's like, wait, did you not hear where he talked about sodomizing a fucking baby? Like, are we just not? And this guy's also talked about raping females online, like, that he's done it.

So I'm like, why do people still have, why would academics decide to do a show with him prior to that video? Like, I don't understand how this guy's a thing. Like, he's obviously a shitty human being. Somebody like AC, I think up until this was able to kind of ignore that, you know? But then like, because, all right, if academics does, well, yeah, because like, Acts interviewing him on Spotify. So is, is he going to, like, not be allowed on Spotify? Because you can imagine that if there was a real campaign by like anti-Asian hate groups, I bet that they could fucking get Spotify to be like,

Act, we're not hosting interviews with Charleston White anymore. The anti-Asian hate group shit, but also the fucking kids. Like, guys, like, to me, the Asian hate shit is insane.

And he said shit as, I mean, maybe not as bad, but he said extremely racist shit about Asians before. That I was like, why are morning shows still having him come up? Why are fucking podcast still having this asshole on? Like, he's literally on video talking about taking a bitch's pussy before.

Now he's advocating sodomizing infants. That's not something to joke about. Like, fuck out of here, bro. I think people are putting the numbers first, man, because... Nah, that's some... That's... That's just trash. When I tried to interview him a year ago, two years ago,

his literal quote was, I don't fuck with white boys like Adam 22 who aren't racist. I only want white boys around me who are racist. I've been thinking about that ever since And you ain't been using that as proof When people keep calling you racist I mean it did feel kind of good I'm like oh so I don't get the interview

You don't think I'm racist You don't think I'm racist I guess that's a lot better than what I have to read All the time on Twitter and stuff Of people who clearly think I am like a Klansman Wasn't Charleston White on Cam Capone What racist Cam Capone? I'm not sure I never seen him

And that guy's not on camera is he No I don't think so It's like that one What's the dude's name The Swamp Stories guy I don't think we'll ever know who that guy really is. Yeah, but nobody's going to kill Camp Capone. Yeah, he might kill Swamp Stories.

At this point, yeah. Swamp Stories could really die. He knows that, too. The Warren Kelly, too. Man, Swamp Stories got a huge boner right now because we just dropped an interview where a rapper was talking about him. Every time that happens, I'm sure he's...

He's like, yeah. He's like, bang. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which is funny because, like, I watch so many YouTube channels and I feel like I haven't really seen that many channels

that have had to, like, really change the way they speak so much to avoid getting punished by the algorithm. Right. But you could tell, there was a certain point where he said he was saying stuff like and then Reginal blah blah walked up to the car and got so-and-so shot him in the head and and and fled the scene and like that was the stuff that was getting his videos demonetized so he switched to the

bam then bang yeah because you can't get demonetized for saying bang for real it's cool because he basically tells the whole story it's just like he walked up to the car and then bang and then it'll be like rest in peace so and so and it sucks because i feel like i'm missing out on a lot of information when that happens. It's like, because I'm like halfway paying attention. I can't remember the name

of the guy who's died versus the guy who killed him. And he shits on so many cities. Oh yeah. He's like, yeah, in orange, in fucking San Diego,

whoever. Like, I'm like, Jesus, bro, like it's real everywhere. Yeah. He loves to tell you

that a city is pussy. For sure. I'm like, dude, I also like kind of envy a guy like that or just these like automated YouTube channels where they just fucking pump out fucking content without having to like be known.

And they're just raking in money. Yeah. Like, I'm like, why didn't I think of putting a 10-hour fucking fireplace clip up on YouTube first? Oh, that shit. That's just free money. The kids channels, I hear they don't make that much money anymore because they, like, can't really run advertising efficiently on them. But that shit would be crazy when I'm, like, just sort of scrolling through how much video content Miss Rachel is dropping on YouTube. And the fact that they have live streams of their content, just replaying the content all the time.

It's like, like, when me and you decided we want to get into content or you, We fucking didn't even consider for a second, like, oh, I could just not put my face on camera and just think up a great idea. Yeah. I had this idea. I'm trying to convince one of my friends to do. And I don't know if anyone, it's kind of like, I guess, with the soft white, or is a hard white underbelly? Soft white underbelly dude. We got to record on there.

But I was thinking. Yeah, that's dope. I always said I wanted to be on there. If somebody. I wouldn't have sex with somebody who's on there. It could be already happening again. It might not be that great of an idea. Yeah.

But if somebody just went and did like an MTV crib. style tour of homeless people's tents. Like where you go, you talk to the person, they show you like their tent, this is where I take a shit, this is where I fucking, like, I feel like that shit would go up on YouTube. Only the best fucking tents, though. Like, you gotta have shelving and shit in that motherfuckers. There's so many of those out here. It's insane.

So it's like, I feel like you came from New York? Yeah. Yeah. The New York homeless shit is different, I feel like. I was just there. Out here, these motherfuckers is for real. They got whole condos, bro, like other bridges. The big leagues out here.

I saw the most professional tent the other day in Hollywood. Like in the middle of, like, it was the kind of tent where you would almost need like this whole room to set it up. Right. And this guy had set it up on the middle of like a curb island that was shaped like a triangle. Oh, shit. Because it was too big. It wouldn't fit on the average curb or if it did. It would be making it so that nobody could walk on the curb and the cops would shut it down.

This motherfucker found the perfect triangle to just plant this shit down. Can I tell you about something else insane that I just read on? online so I see a tweet and it's a tweet longer link it's got mad likes and quote tweets and everything so I'm just like oh what is this and I realize it's a suicide note from a trans person oh fuck and this is how the shit went down is that basically like she met I'm gonna fuck up the details but she met this person who she became convinced was like their friend and that they wanted to like help them and stuff in life and as time goes by she starts to realize that this person actually had been hired by her parents to try to convince her to detransition.

Damn. And she like, did she end up killing herself? Yeah. That's terrible, man. And I don't remember the girl's name. You could probably fucking Google this and figure it out. But I'm like, what the fuck?

So she's thinking like this person is a really close friend. Like they're real close and shit. Reaching out of trying to help her. Like trying to, I forget trying to help her with some stuff or whatever. The parents hired her. The parents hired her. And then she fucking. killed herself and put it on Twitter

first. That's terrible, man. Some real lighthearted shit to end this way. I should probably know their name. That would be like a lot better in the future. Like that's what I, goals for this is like, that's what I want to do. I want to have like shit ready pulled up

so we can really like get into decent depth. So it's not just me reiterating this random anecdote. I'm probably going to find out this didn't even happen. A little pre-planning. Get the Jamie from Rogan thing going with Josh. Yeah. Josh pulled this up. Two days later.

Bing. There it is. there it is do you have that uh no not really i just got one of these TVs though i kind of so because i just moved into a new building right so i was like i like the tv i've been ducking your pod no i o'clock not really ducking it i mean you were on like a year or in some change ago but yeah i mean i think i asked you once

you asked me like a couple weeks ago and or no it was like kind of like right after the house phone thing and i was kind of like uh i think it was right before I think it was right after because that was my concern. It's just like, oh yeah, but see, you understand.

I'm not going to fuck. See, my whole thing is, is if someone comes on my shit for the most part, like I'm not going to, if it's something that's like super personal like that, like I feel like that that was like that's your friend.

And I feel like that the severity of what happened with him to me is something that I have no business talking about. That's right. Just me. I would ask. Because I can understand. If I were you and I wasn't me, I would ask. I don't know house phone, but I met him a couple of times and I can only understand

that like something like that. Like, I'm not going to do anything by adding to this guy's embarrassment or perceived. And I'm not saying he's embarrassed at all because he shouldn't be. But in terms of like that fiasco, by the time he would have came on my shit, it was like, dude, you guys have talked about this as much as possible. Yeah. But it's kind of weird when you go on people's podcast these days and you just can tell that they have like their question list has been formulated to be the most viral things possible. There's no real like pretending that it's a real interview or like we're going to talk about your career or anything.

It's just like nope. First question. Let's talk about this beef. Boom. Second question. Let's talk about this beef. Like it's fucking. Yeah.

Like I just had M. B. NB. Nell on and I was supposed to have EBK Young Jock on like a couple days later. And like I like the Stockton. hip-hop scene is pretty violent, you know? Oh, yeah. And, you know, the dude Sloby passed away.

But my thing was, like, is it really worth me adding to, I don't understand the full dynamics of Stockton? I'm not also fully privyed or hip to, like, all of the intricacies of their beefs, right? So when I had NB NB Nell on, like, I didn't ask them about, like, on purpose, like, hey, so what's your problem with the EBK dude? Because I got them coming on in two days. So, like, you know, because,

Because I know people have actually died, right? And I also, you know, I do a lot of business with Empire and there's a great chance I'm going to go shoot content in Stockton. So I'm like, man, I don't want to be the guy that like you could point to my shit and be like, this is where a chain of events might have happened where somebody died. Or I added anything. And there's, if I was fully like hip to the context of the situation and I feel like I could ask a question like that in a tasteful way and not add any more fire.

to the situation I might have but I'm like man I'm just gonna leave that shit alone my thing is like I feel there's a big difference between asking about other rappers that they have issues with and when you ask about street shit that is like different hoods that they don't

get along with or whatever and it's like a blanket thing where like if you add like because I see that a lot in interviews where it's like or even the Crip Mac shit I was about to say that people were asking Crip Mac like after I did the first interview with them and we kept it pretty pretty smooth. Is he still in jail?

Yeah. But he's supposedly getting out soon. Like, you know, we ask him some shit, but it's not like I'm naming the gang that he has issues with and stuff. And then I'm watching other people interview with him. And it's like they're just literally naming the hoods that he beefs with and saying, so what about this? Like, why do you not like them? Yeah. So my thing is, like, if I even get to that part with somebody, like, I'll try to have them kind of explain the bigger politics of it. So where if I'm interviewing like a Mexican artist from Northern California or from the Southside or whatever, I'll just be like, hey, so for people who aren't from California who don't understand what this is, like, what's the origination of, like, why the northerners

don't like each other? And then it's like, they kind of break down, well, you know, some jail shit, it's some prison politics. So as opposed to kind of like getting into the specifics. Or I'll just bring up like, hey, I, you know, I had a Swifty Blue on, which went viral because he said that shit about not wanting to sign with another race. Oh my God, that was so viral, yeah. We got a lot of mileage out of that for a few weeks.

Well, I had the Bozo guy on who he's got beef with, but I was like, hey, I know Swiss. So in my interview with Bozo, I was like, hey, I know Swifty Blue. You know, he's always been a good dude. He's always booked my studio. You're kind of like an OG. Is there ever a world in which maybe you kind of put your arm around him and try to give him some game as opposed to having like a, you know, kind of like a problem. And like, you know, I'd rather approach it in that direction.

You know what I'm saying? Or like when I had Fulio and Young and A's A's on, and I just asked like, yo, what's the end game here? Like, you know, how can you guys put the shit behind you? So many people have died on each side. Like, what's the point of continuing the cycle? You know what I mean? And but like you said, like, you'll see other platforms where it's like, they're like,

they're twisting a knife instead of trying to take the knife out. Because if you're total trash at interviewing, that might be all you have. That might be literally all you have. Like, I just had Mac 10 on, which is doing great for us. because the first interview is done in a while. With disclosure, I'm doing one of them soon. Dope. I think.

I don't know. So like me, I was like, you know what? I'm a huge Mac10 fan, right? So I'm like, there's so much stuff I could talk to Mac10 about that doesn't involve allegations of him beating up T-Bas. Yeah. Because for me, I'm like, you know what? I could bring that up and the interview and the whole energy of our conversation is going to change.

But he's talked about it so much that it's like, what's the point of me taking a conversation that if you watch the interview we had, it was super positive and it's doing great. Like, it's doing numbers. And like throwing a wrench in it when I know it's just going to change. Because who wants to talk about their ex-wife and allegations of abuse? Nobody wants to talk about that, especially when he just dropped his first new song of 14 years. And I'm the first interview that he's done in like a few years. So it's like, you know what? You've already talked about that on Vlad.

Yeah. You know, like I'm going to bring up the ice cube shit. Like, hey, you know, we, you know, but. There's been a bunch of times where I was going to interview somebody and I thought like, oh, there's this thing I'm going to talk to them all about. And then I watched them on Vlad from a couple years before. I watched them do some of their interview. And I just kind of like scope the fact that they weren't super comfortable talking about it.

Or that, you know, maybe they did. They laid it all out in perfect detail. Like, I'm sorry, after the baby went on Vlad and the breakfast school. club and told the story about shooting the guy in the Walmart. Like, he's already told it. How are you going to ask him again? Yeah, it's like, okay, can you tell the story? Like, for people who don't know. Because it's all about what you put yourself out there like as an interviewer.

And if I ask the baby, like, so tell me what happened to that Walmart. I am presenting as I am a person who identifies as a dumbass because if you know. Because he's already said it. If you are millions of views. If you pay attention to the culture at all, if you've done any research about the baby, you know that this is a well-treaded topic and that he's not going to want to talk about it so it's like yeah that kind of thing is like amateur interviewer versus experienced interviewer shit i think do you feel like because i did notice that like you were having a lot more i mean at

least i perceive them to be like random gang members on the show sometimes where i'd be like yo who the fuck is this guy oh he's just a gang member like i've noticed like maybe i haven't been paying attention enough are you gotten away from that i would say that like or made a decision to kind of if you're a gangman who's not a rapper you would have to like really have like a very interesting story or like there's a very engaging personality for us to want to do that I think. The Crip Mac thing makes sense because he's hilarious. Yeah, he was just so funny that I wanted to meet him. And honestly, I didn't really like have the highest expectations for that podcast. I just was like, I have to meet this guy and I might as well do it on camera. Right. You know.

But yeah, I mean, there's definitely a part of me where getting a little too close to some of the street shit over the years. I've been like, all right, maybe I don't need to be doing this. Like, this is just not. Yeah, you got a daughter now. It's not moving the needle enough for us. exactly where you're well the especially the old spot people knew exactly where your old office was way too easy to get in there you know and yeah at least now it's it's kind of like fort knox in here yeah feel pretty secure now but yeah i mean it's just kind of like sometimes content feels like it's worth it and then you like kind of have to deal with the ramifications of it and you're just like oh like maybe i don't want to do that maybe i'd rather just have fun conversations with the homies and

do some interviews and whatever like i just don't have to go that hard with it dude like that swifty blue shit, I was like getting so much blowback from that interview because I kept trying to give them outs, you know? Yeah. And, but, but there was for whatever reason, people were still like, you know, fucking, they were like, it was like a racial thing. And I wasn't trying to add to whatever perceived racial tension was going on at that time because there was the American Cholo thing happening.

And there was all these people protesting at Power 106. And then that shit comes out, right? And the Taiga, that Taiga song took it down. Do you remember that shit? That sure was crazy. That was all we talked about for a minute. So, like, that interview comes out, and that one part of the interview seemed to, like, flare up what was already happening. And I actually didn't want that interview to come out.

But I kind of got pressed by Swifty to drop it. Really? What? You knew it was going to be that controversial? Bro, I could show you the text between me, Rosecrans, Vic, and I literally was like, bro, I don't want this. What was Vic saying? Vic didn't want to come out either, or he wanted it to? So, essentially, and me and Swiftie had talked about it.

Like, we're cool and shit. But, like, at the time, he was like, yo, when's my interview coming out? Like, don't, like, you wasted my time type of shit. And I was like, bro, I'll drop it. But I don't think it's going to go. But at the end of the day, it kind of helps spark whatever, you know, he's kind of the hottest Mexican rapper in L.A. And he was already kind of booming.

But, like, I feel like that kind of put him into a trajectory where, like, the checking in thing comes up. And, you know, so, you know, and Swiftie's a good dude. But then I'm not 100% sure, but I heard that there was some bad consequences for him in regards to just talking a lot about that. I have zero idea. Not like getting beat up or anything, but just not being cool with certain people. I don't know. But that's a question that if I interviewed him tomorrow, like, no, I'm just like, that's, I don't want to talk about who's in what when it comes to that.

Exactly. 100%. That's why I was like, hey, man. I'll talk about the Aryan gangs instead. But that shit, though, like the ramifications of me dropping that interview, like I felt that shit for like three or four days. It was like on me, bro. Like, I was like, damn, bro. Like, did I just add to, like, the temperature of, like, black and brown beef in L.A.?

Like, I don't want that shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that shit had me stressed. Yeah, and the older I get, the more, I'm like... Right. It's not worth it. Because, yeah, I mean, getting into this shit, like, I started doing the BMX content. And it started to kind of get where, oh, so the thumbnail is what determines how many views we get.

And the more illegal or crazy-looking shit that we do, the more likely that we already get a lot of fucking views. Right. And that's just like, it just starts twisting your incentives up right away where it's like, well, maybe we should sneak onto this roof just so that we can get some cool photo for the thumbnail of a guy climbing onto a roof with his bike or whatever, you know, and it's all of a sudden like you're not doing it for the same reasons

that you got into it. Mm-hmm. Anyway, I'm sure by the time this is out, I'll have a whole new round of commentary on it to engage with. Yeah, it's 1.40-something. So I'm sure that, oh, boy, probably went live. Oh, Ryan. He's been on live for 45 minutes.

I wanted to watch it. Okay. Appreciate everybody who watched this. See you next Tuesday. Some of you. Who knows? Will we have the substitute teacher again? I don't know.

I'm happy to substitute teach. I think they like boooogiev. Yeah, Kev is cool. Good guy. Shout out to court. Court. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. You got to go do some open mics, buddy.

Yeah, I'm running it up out here on the comedy shit, man. I'll have you, my boy, Brian Moses, He does Tuesdays. He does the roast wars at Comedy Store. Oh, I do that. I do that, yeah. I do some roast shit in New York. You should tap in with Danny because Danny told me he's been going to like three or four comedy shows a week.

Yeah, I'm going to start doing that with Prim. And I want to start going to. Yeah, running up. Best day ever going to the comedy store. Yeah, my girl loves it. That's like such an easy way to get out with my girl and just do something because... And it's like no drama. You just go get some drinks.

A couple hours. You just sit down. Even if the comedians are terrible. You get to sit, relax. get to sit the club when people invite me to the club it's like ah standing up until two o'clock in the morning no yeah shot to my nightclub shout to 11 11 11 11 11 probably not as cool as the 11 in Miami right correct but a little different vibe definitely different vibe we don't have naked women oh man I appreciate you guys yes love no jumper bow