No Jumper - Pacman Jones on if the Streets Are Dead, Crazy Weed Stories, Gucci Mane & More

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

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No Jumper coolest podcast in the world. And I'm in here today with the legend himself, Pac-Man Jones. How you feeling? What's up, man? How are you doing, bro? I'm doing good. Yeah, we've been Instagram friends for a little while. We finally locked this in.

Yes, sir. Adam. Well, I guess you'll be Adam 1 on your show. Adam on Adam violence. Adam too, you know. Yes, sir. How do you like being an Adam? Has it served you well throughout your life?

Yeah, I've never been called it that many times because my mama called me Pac-Man my whole life. Really? Okay. It's always good to be the first child, though. You never had an Eve? No, I never had a Eve. I had a Eve.

I went on a day with an Eve when I was like 19. Yeah. Didn't go anywhere. Kind of disillusioned to me. I was just like realized right away like, oh shit, we ain't going to get along. This is stupid. Yeah, that ain't for you. Yeah, it hurt.

Hurt a little bit. But what's going on your life? What's good in the life of Pac-Man Jones these days? Everything, man. I got my show politely raw. Shout out of my Tim Bedeline. I'm in a million things right now. Just did a move with Burke Chrysher.

Really? Free Burke. It comes out January, 22nd. Got some music that I'm working on. Got a country music song coming out. Really? Kids.

Kids. Stars raising them. Yeah. NIL deals. Wait, you got so many things right there I want to dig into. So the Burt Kreisner movie, like, is this your first time acting or are you done it a few times? I don't do it a couple times, but this is my first movie, like main character.

Okay. It's about Bert whole life, though. Actually, we went to the premiere and watched the first. two episodes. So Freebert, like he's locked up in the movie? No, Freebert. It's basically about him, his wife and kids, and him being like a crazy dad, I should say. And his two daughters go to a private school, and he just basically, the outcast, I would say, of the private school.

Your kids go to private school? No, I don't do private school. Oh, shit, because I've been doing the private school tours and everything, and for sure, Outcast is a good way to label it. Yeah. But my kids do go to a very nice school, I shall say, in one of the best schools in Ohio. Okay. So you live in Ohio full-time?

Yeah, Ohio full-time. Atlanta Park time. Okay. My oldest daughter is at Mississippi State on a track scholarship, and then junior is in Trent is in Ohio. Wow. You've lived the whole parenting thing successfully through, like, the whole way. With me having a five-year-old, my first kid, that's just crazy to me. Like, holy shit, track scholarship.

Yeah. You never had to think about that. Yeah, it's a lot you got to think about with these kids, man. And it teaches you a lot of patience. But, yeah, all my kids are very talented. So it came from a good background. I say, my wife is telling them that my family is. known for sports and fighting, I shall say.

But yeah, it's crazy, especially with where it's at now. You know, I had my best friend passed away, Chris Henry, had his kids groomed them to, like, see what their sports and NIL thing is really like. They don't took off with it. Wait, so he passed away how long ago and like how old were the kids? And you took multiple kids? Yeah, yeah, multiple kids.

It was four of them, actually. Four, holy shit. He passed away 2008, I want to say. Wow. Yeah. So I had them, what years is this? 26, I mean, 25. 26 now, yeah.

26 now. So I had them 22, 23, no, 21, 22, 23. And man, end up going to, what is that out here? modern day, number one, where I received in the country, committed to Ohio State, Sainey, which is the oldest daughter, she's at Ohio State,

Bubba's in Arizona at a prep school. Was that, like, how big was that decision to take in his kids? It wasn't that really big of a decision because, like, as a friend, I think, I kind of olded the kids that because they wasn't where they was at when I got them.

Like, nobody was talking about these kids, and shit, man, 6-6 running 4-3, Bubba, like 6-9. Insane is a big body too, but, like, they weren't getting the recognition in sports when they was in North Carolina. And I sing something that didn't nobody else seen.

Really? See, and I think the work ethic that I put into him was not what he was doing, not saying that something wrong, she just had the time or knew how to put in. in the work to make him successful. And I mean, you're close as possible to, like, what it takes to be a serious athlete.

So I am what it takes to be a person. Yeah, right. Like, you know that shit so intimate. Yeah. First defense to play a pick. Yeah. I ran 425. Right.

I was McDonnell, All-American basketball. Yeah. Number one in football. Right. Like, I know. Like, if I adopted the kids for sure, I'm not going to be, like, fast-tracking them into professional sports.

I just don't know that world well enough. But for you, that's naturally what you're going to kind of gravitate towards it. Yeah, a lot more other things, but, like, yes, like, it ain't too many people that's been the first defensive player pick. Yeah. That's been at the highest level of each, I mean, from fifth grade, sixth grade, seventh grade, seventh grade, seventh grade, 11th grade, 12th grade, college. Like, I pretty much have did everything but self. win a national championship in college and win the Super Bowl.

Right. Everything else, I've been at, I played in the national championship. I was player of the year, won two national championships in high school. So, like, I've had the chance to see, like, what it take and how to get there. Yeah.

And I got suspended myself more years, so I understood, like, the work at the part that it takes to get to be, at the top of the level when they come to sports. For sure. I mean, I'm going to be real with you. I f*** with you so hard. Like, just as a person,

like watching your interviews, everything. I just think you're, like, one of the sickest dudes. Sick is like a thing that white people say it doesn't actually mean sick. It just means, like, extreme, gnarly. Yeah. You know, something like that.

But I am, like, so retarded when it comes to football and sports in general that it's like a lot of that shit is like, it's just hard. for me to like even understand how big of a deal that is but that's pretty crazy like would you say you were like kind of fast-tracked into this way of life from a young age because people just saw how much potential you had in terms of athletics no i ain't going to say fast track i grew up in bankhead uh boat rock which is the inner city of illana yeah tip is tip from like we

that was the savior of my life near the hip-hop music or what's it called the trap museum yeah well yeah well trap museum is on down like it well i'm like by blue flame it was the slum or the slums. But my grandma made me play every sports to keep me out of the head. And like after my, I would say my sixth grade year, like, and my family is big in Atlanta. Like, I wasn't, they wouldn't let me do all the dumb shit that other kids got to get away with.

Right. It's like, no, pack, you're going to be the one who make it up out of his wing. You ain't doing that shit. You know what I mean? besides gambling, I wouldn't allow it up there on the corner. I've never smoked weed until I got my paper. Like, I ain't going to say until I got my paper. So I got on my own, which was, I would say, senior or freshman young college.

But your parents worked hard because it's got to take a lot of work to keep your kid away from that shit when there's so many people doing it. I grew up with my grandma. Like, my dad got killed right in front of me. Right. I went through a lot of shit. Like, I would fight every day now. Like, I wasn't no host to boo. Like, I was not the best kid.

I was very respectful because my grandma didn't play that shit. But I would fight, like, on the drop over die. Right. But I would say, my grandma, like, she was the bootlegged in the project. So it was a lot of shit that got ran through our house. Now that you look back on like, ah, damn. Bootleg and what? Like.

Everything. Clothes? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Zaza? Zai. Oh. Alcohol. Right.

Candy. Wait, how do you bootleg alcohol? You got fake honey? No, no, no, no, no. So say this to the whole project. Everybody could, like, instead of going up to the store, which was a good little... The candy lady.

We was the lady. You come there, Friday night, my grandma cooked fish. Like, our whole downstairs was set up like a fucking store, bro. It was crazy. Now that I looked back on that, but a lot of people like, what's all what y'all did? Like, yeah, dollar shot. I knew how to pull a fucking dollar shot when I was...

six years old. When I went to Oblog, they took me to the, like, the candy store on the first floor. There's just like a chick hustling out of there selling cookies and sodas and backwoods and whatever. Yeah. That's what it is. And then one time in Long Beach was stupid young, they had like the henny lady who like, it could be four in the morning and you can hit her up and she'll bring you whatever alcohol you want and charge you much more than the store charges you, I guess.

On the weekends, we was owned to probably about 3.30. during the week probably about 12 o'clock okay yeah it was crazy though yeah yeah no definitely but okay so do you think that like instilled like a hustler

mentality into you just seeing the way that they were like making it work selling candy semi illegally out the neighborhood yeah I always said I always had that hustle mentality like we was in the project but we wasn't we wasn't living like we was in the project. So, like, I had dirt bikes, go cars, every pair of Jordans, but we was in the projects.

Right. I mean, so, and, like, I've always been pretty good at observing people and watching everything. Right. And that was, like, that was probably my niche of getting to be, at least successful as I am. Right. Watching, like, my granddad in our backyard,

he fucking made our backyard look like the hotel. And, like, it was all trees. Like, our whole, they used to call it Green Forest behind the project because it was just all trees. I mean, like, I seen this man fucking make stairs, run an extension cord out, put the TV up, whole fucking, like, couch. Like, it was crazy. Like, I wish I had pictures of that.

That's something I got to ask my mom, do she still got pictures of the backyard that we had in boatwreck? everybody else backyard was trees I mean pretty much for sure wait so what was the music that kind of defined your high school era

or you know being in your teenage years um I grew up on at Wayne like Wayne was big trap music was big at that time that's what I was thinking it's got to be that era of like TI Gizi Gigi Gucci etc

right? TiaI Gizi we really didn't fuck with Gucci because we was on the west side, you know, Gucci on the east side. Yeah, this well-documented little rivalry that you guys got, yeah. I don't got no problem with Gucci. But when I first made it to the lead and everybody, like, man, why you be saying for Gucci? And I'd be, if you're on the west side, you're always saying fuck the east side.

That's first and foremost. Like, sports, not sports, hanging out. Like, we don't f*** with the east side. Right. In Atlanta, that's just how it was when we grew up. Right. But like, um. But then you get bigger and more.

more famous and you see the whole world and that seems kind of insane to you, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, you have so much in common with those dudes. Then you even know. Whereas, like, some guy from North Carolina or fucking France, those are some dudes, you don't got nothing in common. Right. But, like, really, you're all from Atlanta.

It's crazy how that happens, yeah. Yeah, and I don't think it's, like, we was fighting them every time we've seen them. It was just, like, over here we're going to try to play them because we got to play them over there in sports and everything. Right. It was more of a competition thing. And the crazy part when Gucci made the song about me, like we only had met one time.

We had a pretty good encounter. And it's funny, I finally got to talk to him. He's like, man, I was just going through something at the time. I was talking shit. And I was jockeling. My man, fuck Gucci, man. But, you know, it's... I'm cool with Gucci.

I don't got a problem with Gucci. Yeah, I mean, he does... seem like one of the most volatile people in the music industry, for sure. Like at this point, even it kind of seems like, I don't know, I almost feel bad saying this, but I've had people tell me like, yo, you got to peep the dynamic between him and his girl. Like his girl is keeping him in line, but also she's the one kind of making sure that he stays on the proper medication, which realistically is probably good for his overall quality of life.

Yes. But I think it's, you know, the artists that people feel like. fell in love with is, you know, that version of Gucci is not as prevalent because I think he's kind of numb to a lot of the stuff that's going on around him. Which is a good thing, bro. Like, everybody got to grow. Growth is what we're doing this for. Like, I don't want my kids to grow up like I grew up.

You know what I mean? So eventually you want to get better than what you are today. Tomorrow I want to be better talking shit than I was today. They never tried to put you on antidepressants or anything when you're a kid? Yeah, yeah. I've been through all that shit, bro. Really? I was in McLean Hospital for four months at the time.

For what? Mentally. Really? Just to get my shit together. At what age? Shit, this was when I was 20, I was, 27, 24. And it wasn't specifically like a drug thing or anything? It was just, you were just kind of going through it mentally?

Yeah. I had a lot on my plate. Just dealing with a lot of. shit and really didn't have no out because everybody was coming to me. I mean, so changed my life though. Like, because I was one of the guys that wasn't willing to talk to my strength that I talked to. Okay.

Didn't have a person like my wife that can sit down and really explain what I'm going through. So I kind of kept a lot of emotions and anger built up inside of. of me. Definitely. Until it got to a point like, you know what, man? I'm going to see if I'd give me some help. Yeah.

So now the therapy is like a consistent part of your life? Consistent part of my life, big in mental health. I got a couple of family members that's bipolar that go through a lot of stuff. And even with my kids, you know, I make sure that the line of communication is always open because I didn't have that. Right. And when you don't have somebody that you can express something that you're going through, it can build up. And when it build up and it build up too much, that's when shit starts going different ways and haywire.

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I don't believe that. Really? But I do feel like it's a punishment. load to carry? Depending on what's your background. Right. Like if you come from millions, sure. That's what I'm saying? Like, even if you like say

I really didn't learn about taxes, budget accounts until 17 years old. You know what I mean? Like we wasn't having a conversation with what is the RL account?

What is the LLC? aneworty. Like, we was worrying about shit, staying alive and trying to provide for what's going on right now. So I think if you come from a background where you're constantly having these conversations where your parents are putting you on the budget,

in high school you got a card and a credit card to learn how to budget, what the hell you got going on, it's a lot more easier to handle it than you just not knowing that and then just getting a whole bunch of money. Was that your experience being in the NFL of like, you know, you're making approximately around the same amount of money as everybody else, but some of these guys are from like, you know,

families where they already are used to having money, whereas to you it's like a totally different thing to figure out how to live this way? Well, you'd be surprised it's so many motherfuckers in the league that don't come from that background. Now, you do have some of them that does. Right. Most of the quarterbacks, some of the linemen. But I would say the other 85 or 70,

or inner city, single families that come from a lower poverty background. They don't have the tools of knowing how to do certain things when you get the money. For sure. And I mean, you combine that with the fame and everyone treating you differently, like, good fucking luck keeping your head screwed on straight for that. Yeah. But so did you feel like you kind of just... just got wrapped up in your own self-belief at a certain point?

Or did it, like, how did you learn to manage all that pressure that you were under and the fact that you could, you get to the point you can kind of do everything? And that pressure of just knowing that you could hop on a jet tomorrow and be in Europe or you could, you know, get 100 prostitutes tomorrow and have a great time. I mean, that's just got to be like a lot to deal with. But she gets old though. Yeah, yeah. She gets old quick.

Like, of course, I tell the story, like, when I first got my money, I made sure about everything I won. I woke up one day I had $13 million in my account. And, like, two weeks after I got drafted. So I went to splurries. I bought my mom in house, bought me four, five cars. But then you get to a point, like, I can't even drive all this shit first and foremost. Second of all, I don't want to die on the plane, so I'm scared to fly on a private plane. I thought the turbulence

don't went out one time and then you realize like shit what are we doing this for and I'm here like my senses is the reason why I'm doing it for is for my kids like I don't have everything

I don't do anything you can name that I've wanted or wanted to buy whatever party out of I've done pretty much everything I wanted to do right And then at a certain time, it's like, it should get old.

Like, it's not pleasing you. But then also, while you're dealing with the pressure of having this money and this fame, you're also dealing with the fact that you're competing in something that's unbelievably difficult and dangerous physically. And in which, like, you're constantly having to prove your own worth. And there's new talent coming up the ranks, etc. Like, were you somebody who was, like, fanatically devoted to the training and the actual. being in shape part? Oh, yeah.

Did that kind of get lost in all the success? Like, I've never had a problem with being in shape or being the first one at the stadium. Should I leave Magic City, get in the limo, go straight to Tennessee,

park at the fucking stadium, have the car running and be the first person in the stadium. Like, now, that was the reason why I was the first defensive player pick. That was the reason why I played 14 years. Like, my work at the, regardless of the money part,

I've always wanted to be the best as far as on the field. Like, I've never let the money separate me working. Right. Because the main thing got to be the main thing. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Because if this ain't good, all the other shit gonna be gone anyway. Right. I mean, I come from like a BMX background of like seeing dudes who are, you know, professional bike riders and ex-game, shit like that. And it's like I've always seen the same pattern with them where maybe they're on top of the world

winning gold medals when they're, you know, 19, 20, and they're partying every night and they're not sleeping before the contest, et cetera. And then by the time they get to maybe, you know, 25, late 20s, et cetera, all of a sudden they're like health nuts constantly stretching and doing everything they can for their body because, you know, in your early 20s, your body can just handle all this shit. You can do drugs. You can get fucking drunk as hell all the time and your body can fight it off. But if you keep living like that, it just becomes harder and harder, right?

Yeah. I think that's one of the things I didn't have to go through. Now, for us, scratching wise, yeah, you got to do a little bit more scratching. But as far as preparing my body to go, like, I've always been on top of that. Like, shit, I was, I was 32 when I retired, 33, 34. When I retired, I got drafted when I was 20 years old. So like, and maybe I just got some good ass jeans, I will say that. But I've always did the little things as far as scratch and make sure I'm lifting my weights,

make sure I'm backpedaling. Offseason, I'm still getting my work in. And I had C3, C4 neck surgery, but besides that, my body held up pretty good. That's crazy. Yeah. That's got to be, like, largely thanks to genetics, just having the, to get hit that hard that many times and to be able to just survive.

I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, when I broke my neck, they didn't think I was going to come back and play. Really? It was only two people, no, one person at that time that had came back from C3, C4, Nick surgery, which was Peyton Manning.

But it had never been like a defensive player or offensive player that's constantly vanging that had came back and played after that surgery. Really? Yeah. Wow.

When you saw that 13, million in your bank account, how crazy did you go and what did the money go to? I went crazy. I put up like five and a half million where I couldn't touch it until I was a certain age. Oh, wow. That's smart. Because I didn't want to blow it all. Yeah. But I was still getting paid a lot of money during that time too. But yeah, I bought a Lambo, Benley, two Cal electrics. My mama, that's when Crashler 300 had just came out. Bought my mama, Chrysler 300, 60 acres for myself in the house, and then I bought my mom in my house. And you still had money left over.

Yeah. That's so crazy because it's like I'm used to see a dudes make it as rappers. And it's like even the rappers who are like on top of their shit the first couple years or whatever. It's like they ain't really making that much. It's not like somebody's just dropping off $10 million in their bank account. You know, they're hustling shows. I'm like, my first deal was, uh, four years, what, $41 million? Yeah.

Wow. That's serious. Yeah. First defensive player pick, bro. I mean, honestly, though, that, that is so unbelievable impressive to me that that didn't just make you lose your fucking mind and just, say, say, fuck the sport. I'm just partying. I have, that was a lot more money.

I didn't have millions at that time, but I had money. Like, it wasn't like, in college, like. I've always had $100,000. Yeah, because you said you were rich at 15. Yeah. What the fuck was that? Nobody's rich at 15. It's a statue of limitation now, but I've been getting paid since I was in the seventh grade.

Okay. Sports. I'm talking about, and I can say his name. Oh, I want to say this name. But it was a famous running back. I'll tell you this. He played with Cleveland. Okay.

If you could think of that right there. This is not my forte. All right. Last name is Brown. Okay. Still don't know, do you? No. That's crazy.

Oh, my God. Not a sports guy. Hall of Famer, anyway, his family had took me in and did a lot for me. So, okay, wait. You're saying that as like a young football prodigy that there's, you're not allowed to get paid. Well, now you are. Now you are, right, yeah. But at that time, there was people who were going to kind of take care of you in exchange for sort of back room deals and shit like that.

Yeah. I thought you were about to tell me you made all that money hanging out of the Texaco. No, no, no, no, okay, good. I ain't had to hang out of the Texaco. I did a lot of gambling. I will say that. But, no, I ain't have to hang. I was getting some good bags.

Like this one, $10,000 was almost $100,000. Yeah. You know what I mean? at 14 years old. Oh man. Like, it was with good bags. Yeah. I had a conversation with my friend's son recently.

He's 14, and he told me that a girl that he was dating or trying to date asked him to buy her a $3,000 Louis Vuitton purse. What? My jaw dropped. I'm like, my whole time in high school, I don't think I knew one person who had $1,000. A thousand dollars would have blown my mind. at the time. For real? But a couple thousand dollars and a girl expecting to spend that? I mean it's just unheard of like the world has changed a lot. Yeah, like in high school like we was

it was nothing to win 1500,000 at school gambling in the bathroom where we're from. Atlanta's different. Yeah, I'm from New Hampshire. Oh yeah. It was a different vibe, yeah. It was a lot of money floating around. And yeah, it's a lot. A lot. For sure. Wait, so what are your thoughts on how the whole college athletes being able to be sponsored? Like, does that just changed everything? Yeah, I love it. I wish they had that shit when I came out. Jesus Christ.

These kids are going to pay. And, like, half of them are not going to even make the lead, but, like, at least they're getting to start life with some in their bank account. You know what I mean? Instead of going to college for four years and letting the school make all the money. Yeah. And then after the four years, hey, we're done with y'all. Boom, boom, boom. I love the NIL deal.

Right. I think it was much needed before now. Yeah. No, that is crazy. So they can't get paid from the colleges, but they can just take endorsements? No, they can get paid from the college. Oh, they do that as well. Okay.

Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. I thought it was just sponsorships. Really? Yeah. Holy shit. Do you think it corrupts what was previously kind of pure about the whole thing or not really?

Um, no, I don't think it corrupts. It's shit. it'd be the reason why I'm saying that Utah is in the national championship they ain't the rich of school they ain't flowing out the most money right they got three stars and four stars yeah like Mendoza said but like you got some of these schools that are paying bags like Miami paying bags

Ohio State paying bags Michigan paying bags Northern Dame private school paying real big bags so like I don't think the money part is corrupting. It's all about the fighting the dog. Like, some I'm going to hit, some I'm going to miss. But I do think the bigger schools have a better chance of getting the top talent because of the money.

Yeah, makes sense. I mean, shit. Getting them ready for what the real world's like, for sure. It's crazy because, like, I've had so many rappers on the podcast or, like, there's been, you know, little rap documentaries and stuff. But so many dudes are super into sports, and then they just sort of hit that wall. where they realize they're not going to make it. And they either start trying to do the rapper thing,

but also the gangster thing, you know? And it's just like, like even Bloodhound Little Jeff, I don't know if you're familiar, but he got killed in Chicago like maybe two years ago or whatever. But like that was his story. He was a basketball prodigy. He hits the point where he realizes he's not going to make it. Boom.

He's just out there in the field, just doing all the craziest shit. And I mean, it's just, it's kind of crazy to just think about how disparate the two, life stories are there between somebody who actually like was able to handle it and really made it the whole way versus somebody who wasn't able to realize their potential and just totally went the other way yeah i've never not thought i would make it mm-hmm it was not a doubt in my mind that i didn't think i was going to make it playing football or basketball like i knew i was

gonna make it did your parents sort of breed that confidence into you that was all me all me all me Interesting. Do you think that, you know, like, do you raise your kids to try to have them have this sort of like superhuman level of self-confidence? Oh yeah. Hell yeah. Confidence is everything. All my kids, they got, they better have confidence, you know what I mean?

And they got big shoes to feel. Like everybody ain't going to go to the league. But I do think if you have somebody that's been there that know the process, I think if the talent is there, will have a better chance of going than another kid with the same amount of talent but don't have the guidance of somebody that's been there. You know what I mean? Because a lot of parents that didn't make it or went to college but should have made the lead that got hurt, then they start living through their kids, then they training them too

hard, then the kid fall out of love with the sport. Really? Then you're like, damn, man, what happened to little Jeffrey, man? He don't even want to play football no more. Your parents never gave you that feeling that they, like, cared too much? Nah. I don't even think my parents knew how good I was until probably about six or seven grade.

Now, they knew I was good because everybody knew, like, well, them damn Jones, boy, they're the top of everything. But like once we hit like eight, nine, ten years old playing AAU basketball, going to the national championship, then my grandma, like, when Holyfield come to your house in the limo, like, hey, can this kid come play with us at Old National? I think that's when my grandma's like, oh shit, my mother's pretty good, huh? But before then it was just like, we're going to keep your ass out of trouble. You're going to go up and play every sport. But about that 9-10 age, I think. She knew.

When Holyfield came to all projects in the limo after we played them at Sandtown Park and begged my grandma for me to go to play with old National Knights, I think that was the spark. Then my grandma, like, oh, yeah, you're going to make it. Wow. And so he wasn't necessarily looking at you, like he wanted to make money off you.

He just saw the talent and just wanted to... Well, no, he... We was their rival team. Like, I played at Sandtown, so, like, that's, like, Cam. Hamilton Road. Old National is where old national nights was at. So like we was like the best two team. We had them beat them two times in the championship.

And I guess it got to the point. He's like, bro, we got to come get you to play with all over. You got to talk to my grandma. But I doubt if she's going to let me go all the way over there. And plus I don't want to go all the way over there and play because we got to come back and play Santown. And I got to be over here with these niggas every day. So if I go over there and play the rival and then come back to the hood it,

then I got to argue with it. You know what I mean? Right. So, but it was a, it was shocking to see he found the Holyfield, pulling up into projects and knowing who he was, headway champion of the world, and we're in about a little nine and a 10-year-old kid. Ten? What the fuck?

It was that earlier that they saw that potential. That's insane. Yeah. Wow. So did you, were you getting in trouble like throughout your childhood and shit? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, a lot of trouble.

What was the worst of it? I took a gun to school one time. That was probably the worst of the worst. Was it because of a specific threat? It was just a lot of shit going on during that time, and they had tore our projects down and moved us to our rival projects. Oh, shit, really?

Which was the worst thing they could have did in the city of Atlanta. Wow. And we got the fight in the locker room and someone told somebody, oh, I see him with a gun. So they put the school on lock, checked every locker in the school. And I ended up getting kicked out of school. I was my sixth grade year.

And then after that, I had a pretty straightened error when it came to school because I knew that I had a chance to do something better than that shit. So that kind of shocked you enough to be like, oh, like there's real consequences if I, do some bad shit. Oh yeah. And plus, like, I missed the whole football season. Oh, yeah. Like, that hurt more than anything, really. Like, missing football and basketball, like,

I'm like, and then I know my, like, my grandma's going to kill me when I get home. Man, that's crazy, though, because I feel like just knowing you or, like, seeing you over the years so much, I feel like that must have been hard for you to, like, really be on the straight and narrow. Like, did you, did you struggle with that? Oh, yeah. No, I would fight. I would fight anywhere, anybody. Like, I had a real bad attitude, but I've always been respectful.

And I don't start too much shit, but I finish a lot of shit. Right. Wait, how old are you? Me? 42. Same. Yeah. What was your birthday? September 30th. Oh, okay. November 24th. So we're like two months apart.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, we could have been in the same hospital. My parents moved south a little bit, yeah. But do you, like, I feel like fighting was such a different thing when we were young because it wasn't social media, so it was just some shit that happened. You'd hear a million stories about it, but now, I mean, like, there's a video that comes out of you and you're an up-and-coming football player.

I mean, it's got to be like a death sentence. I'm so happy they didn't have social media. I don't think you ought to made it if they had social media when it's grown up. Like, everything now is on the camera. bro. That's what a lot of these kids need to realize. Like, you ain't no not doing that without being on camera these days. I'm so thankful that we didn't have Instagram,

TikTok, X, all of this shit. Just screaming. Like, these kids are, I hate it for these kids. Like, when we grew up, we got to have fun. Like, you can't do no drugs. You can't do shit right now. If shit is laced with everything, like you're gonna die

even if you try to have fun like you don't know what's in the shit that you all are getting like we didn't have to grow up like that yeah like I'm picturing a future in which my kid sees the old podcast clip or whatever I realize it's like oh shit dad

you used to do cocaine and pop pills and all this shit and then I'm gonna have to explain yeah but it was different because this is before fentanyl this is before I had a bunch of my friends dropped dead from just taking one Xanax boom they're gone the next day. It's like it felt so much more carefree.

And without the social media and everything, it was just kind of like, you know, everything. When I think about like what you need to teach your kid, a lot of times it's like you kind of have to teach them to like really be so careful that they don't make any mistakes that could be held against them in the future because the footprint that you're leaving is so clear for anybody who wants to look into you going forward, you know?

Well, I ain't going to say any mistake. That's like you tell them, quarterback, hey, just don't f-f-go. Then they be thinking about what dad, I said, don't fuck up, then they go fuck up. But I think you have to be conscious of what can happen when you fuck up. And, like,

examples of, like, you're saying, oh, dad, I've seen this video of you drinking lane or popping a pill. Well, let me tell you some, son. That shit that we had back then is not killing folks. It wasn't killing folks. This shit, let me show you this video right here, this shit that's going on today.

that's killing people. And that's honestly, being honest with the kids, I think is the best way to do it. Like, my kids know everything I don't do it. Really? Pretty much everything. And so you don't feel like them knowing about the worst shit

that you ever did somehow like normalizes it to them? No, hell no. Because you bet first of all, you better not do what I fucking did. Yeah. Because you ain't growing up the way I'm, you all are hustible. You get what I'm saying?

But then some kids, hear that and then they want to prove themselves they want to go do some gangster shit to fight back against the the nice life that they have at home right i can't i don't know that i haven't i haven't haven't experienced that with my no that's a beautiful thing if you ain't had to deal with me like uh my daughter had never made a bee like uh my kids i don't know how to i guess that happened if you don't show them love like i think being there making sure them they love being open with them and honest, like, why would I do that? Like, that's how, like, my kids know one thing to be better than me.

Like, my son, and I, I have to tell this motherfucker, like, yo, bro, just sit down for 10 minutes and let's not train. And, like, it's no, because mentally, he's been around so many of the rest of the kids I've adopted or the older kids that he want to outdo them. Like it's almost it's a routine. Like you know and then you

you have some some some some routines where dad a gangster. You want to be a gangster. Yeah. You know what I mean? But in our household. I can't speak for a lot of other households. But

they want to be better than me. Right. Like I went to this sort of like rich ass house party type thing on Halloween a couple months ago and yeah like we show and I'm just like not used to this shit of like everybody there the parents are all fucking millionaires and shit and I'm just like haven't been in this kind of environment very much and there's a lot of like teenage boys there and we're just sort of standing around it's Halloween too so I'm dressed up like the fucking green witch from wicked so nobody knows that it's me which is kind of funny because I'm expected some of these dudes are going to know who I am and there's maybe like two girls girls and there's like 15 boys and I'm just standing there and I'm watching the boys all they're playing basketball they're beating on each other they're wrestling like somehow they must have took a jiu jitsu and shit because they're actually like seemed like they know what they're doing with jiu jitsu and they're just wrestling each other the girls are kind of standing they're not even really paying that much attention but the dudes are just beating the fuck out of each other to basically

impress the girls they all wear a nice-ass designer clothes and shit and I'm just kind of like brother, this is so far away from the normal ass upbringing that I had. But it also just reminds me of how much energy you had when you were 16. Like that you just, me and my friends used to just fight, just beat on each other, all that shit. Like, what happened to that? I barely want to get up off the couch in my 40s. Yeah.

We was the same way. Yeah. Same way, bro. I'm talking about it was never a dull moment during that time. Yeah. You never got tired. Yeah. You got that testosterone.

raging through your body. We'll be outside all day and like, especially when I was young, we had to be in the house when the street lights come on. But when I got to probably like semi-eighth grade, shit, we would be outside playing basketball 12, 30 in the morning in the project.

It's like, that was just the way it was. Right. Yeah, when I look back on that, I'm like, man, you really did not make enough of being in elite physical shape compared to the rest of your life when you're that young, you know? I used to have a paper route. And some days, I would just run between the houses. And when I look back on that, I'm like, that is so much run. I would never, ever think about doing that.

But I just had enough energy that I could just kind of do that with a big ass sack of newspapers on me. And when I look back at that, I'm like, what happened to that? That's crazy. I still do work out, though. Like, I enjoy beating up my body. It's because mentally, it's a way for me to get away from everything. And, like, I don't know nothing else. You know what I mean?

When it comes to, I feel, I feel bad as fucking bone workout in a week. Yeah. Like, I have to work out. No, yeah. Being older now, for sure, I feel that. Like, and that's what's crazy looking at a lot of my friends who drink lean, drink alcohol, smoke weed all day, every day. and I'm just like at this point I feel like

I got to sleep at least seven hours a night I got to eat good I got to work out just to have like a good quality of life just feel good making it through the day and I got all these friends

who are really not doing any of that shit and they seem all right but I mean they'd probably be a lot happier if they were really taking care of themselves I still go hard I'm not going to say

I don't go hard but I still work out hard Like I'm in the son of three, four days a week. Scratch lab, IVs. So I still, like, I still treat my body like I'm somewhat in the NFL. Right. I mean, shit, that's what makes you happy.

Those IVs, you just do it for no reason? Yeah. I used to do it when I would get really hung over. And it was a godsend. You think it helped when you hung over? I do it just, I feel better when I'm hydrated. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But when you're, like, drunk, a lot of that is, or when you're hung over,

a lot of that is just being dehydrated. You know? So they would stick that needle in my arm and fill me up with water and like half the hangover was just gone instantly, which I don't really drink anymore, but that shit was amazing back then. Yeah, I love the drip. I love the IDs.

Definitely. So, okay, when you first started smoking weed and... I would... Smoking, smoking, I would say my freshman year in college. Okay, and did that take a lot away from your ability as a football player? Or you felt like you were good enough, you can manage. I've smoked before every game I've played.

Really? College and the league. Wow. So was there ever a time where you were playing and you were just like, wow, I'm high as crap? Yes. Denver game, let me tell you. Or does the adrenaline sort of like carry you?

No, no, no, no, no. I was way too high. So we go to Denver. It's a fucking week before the playoffs. And normally I smoke two, three joints before the game. They had this fucking lean drink. It wasn't lean. It was T-H-C drink.

That shit. We got a night game. I'm sitting here and drinking this drink and it didn't kick in to like halfway through the bottom. I'm looking around. And I can tell this. Well, I ain't going to say his name,

but one of my teammates was in there with me. We started, I said, well, I'm hot as a motherfucker. It's about three hours before we got to get on the bus. Man, I get to the stadium. I had to call. I had a call baby. I was like, man, this goddamn drink,

it took me to have time to realize, like, like, it's not coming down. Like, it's not coming down. But as far as smoking weed, I always smoked weed before the game. But that time when I drunk that TAC drink is the highs I ever been. And I ain't going to say I played my best game.

I ain't played my worst game. What? What side? field goal, bro. We lost by a field goal. They didn't even score. His wife is saying that all his games sucked when he was high. No, she's talking about that one game.

Oh, okay, okay. And if we win this game, we was going to get a buy for the playoffs, too. Yeah. Well, I will, all right. I said it was one of them. I didn't play that bad. I ain't score a touchdown. I ain't give up a touchdown.

I did miss a couple of tackles. I mean, it must have felt good if your coach wasn't like on your ass about your horrible performance. Like if it was good enough that people couldn't tell. Oh, well, they could tell. Wait, so they knew. Yeah, I mean, your coach knows you so well at that point. What the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm a man, man, man. I ain't anything wrong, coach. Like, you sure? But, yeah, I would say that was one of the worst games then. If I had to pick one. Yeah, like when I think about I've been able to do And I feel terrible saying this

But throughout my 20s and shit I feel like I probably drove Under the effect of almost Every drug But the weed lean Was the one where I had to pull over And said, all right, you're driving Yeah

I'm laying down in the back seat You are driving There's no pot I would rather get towed home right now Then continue to drive Because I am going to kill someone Yeah And that was my first time

drinking it too you know we in Denver weed is legal everybody's going to the dispensary buying shit just about trying to take something back to Ohio and that is that that's the strongest shit that I've ever had yeah

yeah like especially back then was the Wild Wild West because you would get a weed cookie and it would even if it said how many milligrams it was or whatever it's it Number one, probably wrong. Yeah. And you don't really know because you ain't really felt it out.

Now, you know, we get the weed, gummies, people give it to me, et cetera. I kind of know exactly how much I could take to get to a reasonable level of high slash have smoked so much over the years that it's like, I know what I'm dealing with. But, I mean, the edibles in general, I feel like almost everyone I know has a terrible edible story from early on in their life. Oh, yeah, them edibles. I don't fuck them edibles. Give me some paper. I mean, some flour. I'm smoking them but flour

them, they creep up on you. You're like, if I'm smoking a joint, it's like, all right, I'm smoking a whole joint. I feel high. I can understand it. You know, I can pretty much judge. You get what I'm saying? Yeah.

You fucking eat a cookie, and you're sitting there, and it's just all of a sudden, like, oh, shit. And you're already on the second cookie. Yeah. Then 30 minutes later, you're like, oh, I'm really hot now. Yeah. And I don't have nothing against the edibles for the people that like if some people can take them edibles and can't smoke flour. Yeah.

I stopped smoking flour and started doing edibles. And now it kind of feels like smoking is not even like a real way to get high because the edibles are just so efficient and it just gets you there so quickly. And when I think about how much you have to smoke and the process of doing it and stuff, it's like smoking weed is really like part. partly the ritual. I mean, you've been on a lot of shit, Adam. Yeah. It's been a while, but yeah. Toler is a beer high, my boy.

But you never got into, like, the real drugs? No, no, no, no. Really? No. Never snorted Coke? Nah. Damn. I've never been in.

I've never been into, I'm already shot the fuck out and wired up. Like, I'm scared of X pills. I've always been like, nah, that ain't for me. That ain't for me. That's good. And maybe because I've seen a lot of people that could have been superstars that came from my hood that was fucking druggy. I was like, I ain't going out that way. That is one way I'm not going out.

My friend Tyson was the number one player in the country. I stayed right here. He stayed right there. He had every offer that you can name. He had already signed with Georgia two days before he was supposed to lead. They kick in his dough. He loses a whole scholarship. Really?

I'm like, bro, he was the idol for us to get out the project. You get him saying? And just because he had coke or other drugs in his room? He had a lot, a lot of coke in there. It was like three-four bricks in there. But he ended up losing the scholarship. I don't think he went to jail. He didn't do that much time.

But, like, as a youngster, that was one of the guys. I'm like, shit, trying to get up out of here. Like, being around here. So there's no path. for redemption for a dude like that that gets caught up like the colleges just aren't even going to look at him after that? Really? Wow. It's over with.

That's crazy. It's not like being a rapper. Yeah. There's a, this streamer who's been blowing up, this guy clavicular, and he was talking about how he went to college and he only lasted like two weeks because he's on testosterone.

He's been on testosterone since he's 14. Damn. Mind blowing. I just think that's so funny that like, he's thinking like an adult, if you have testosterone in your fridge nobody's kicking your fucking door down to find out if you're taking steroids

but in college they will they'll run up in your shit and look around they don't need a warrant or whatever and he just like thought that it was all good and they just immediately got caught and kicked out of the college. He was just taking them just to take it? I think he well I heard him like describe it

basically being like you only get to go through puberty once so why go through puberty with your body only creating a normal amount of testosterone when you could go through it taking a superhuman dose of testosterone, which sounds wrong to me. My assumption is like, no, this is the time in your life in which your body is naturally producing a shitload of testosterone.

You need to embrace this. You know, like even my doctor is like, no, like you're not getting on testosterone. You're only 42. It's too early. Do it when you're 50, you know, which even that, I think a lot of doctors are like, you're in your 40s. It's all right. Get on it.

You never did that? Not at that point yet. You get your testosterone. I'm not sure and checked? No. My shit is pretty scrung guard. Everything is working pretty good over here. Yeah.

Still bitching 225, 10 times. But ding ding is working. I feel pretty good. You might be surprised, though. Like, I, you know, at the risk of being graphic, I could get it up over and over. I can do all right in the gym. I work out pretty hard, but like when I got my test measured at one point, they were like, yeah, it's starting to start to kind of dip. And I was like, are you fucking serious?

And what's the normal lever? I think like a thousand is really good or 900 is really good. I'm at $1,500. What? Just naturally? Yeah, naturally. Shit. That's pretty good.

Yeah. I feel like if you got tested. If I get, if I take steroids, bro, I would probably never sleep. Yeah. I already can't fucking sleep. Yeah. Yeah. They warned me about that is that if you're going to do it, you should take small amounts throughout the week like every day because if you're like if you're the type of person who just wants to take one shot a week of test is going to turn you into a fucking maniac the day you do it. And then by the end of the week, it's going to be tapering off and you're not going to feel like yourself so much.

I don't know if this is a white person thing or a rich person thing. maybe I should go and get my shit check but I don't have no friends that's doing this right now they probably not telling me hey buddy we'll get your test check I just got my blood work done in general and that was just one of the things that I measured that they

pointed out it's like oh this is dipping a little bit I get my blood work done well if they don't mention the test to you then you're probably fine oh well yeah my shit probably 15 like I said then yeah No, for sure. So you're totally done having kids, though? Hell yeah.

I need to get my shit clipped. We don't want no more kids. Matter of fact, I'm going to put that on my to-do list when I get back. Get a vasectomy? Hell, yeah. She's cool with that? She's clapping. Yeah, yeah.

I want to go back through the kid thing. And, like, my one daughter was born at 23 weeks, and that was, like, the worst thing for us. for us to go through. Now, that was bothering, you know, going to have to go into the NICU every day. She was down there, living there. Then you see other kids that don't make it with the priests coming in.

Like, that was, I'm blessed to have all of my kids healthy. And, like, I couldn't go through that again. Wow, that's terrible. Holy shit. But everything worked out? Yeah, everything is good with her now. Wow. How long were you stressing it, like having to be in the hospital all the time?

She was in the hospital six months. How many months she was in the hospital? Four months. Wow. Every day. Like, I'm like, bro, you're going to go crazy if you keep fucking taking your ass up here, bro. Yeah. Like, you think about that?

You think about that every time you look at her? Like, you survived this thing. She can't do no wrong. You weren't supposed to be here. She is the miracle baby. Wow. And she's how old now? She's 15.

Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. congratulations just making it through that sounds gnarly man it was crazy wow so how long you met with your wife uh too long um i met her when i was 21 right yeah so 20 years we've been together uh yeah it's a long time i mean that must be wow for her to have weathered the beginning part of your career and now she you know she held held strong and is able to to deal with the, I assume, more chilled out version of you.

Oh, yeah. Like, but that's what it's about. Like, how do I want something that I don't know how she's going to react when I'm going through tough times? You know what I mean? That's what you don't want. Like, everybody can love somebody when things are going good. Yeah.

But when you fucking take her through a little bit of the fight or go through some things. I think that bill or bun, like, inseparable. You hear that. Where are you staying with her if you ain't happy? Motherfuck, I don't have no choice. I don't trust no motherfucker of anybody else. She had been there through the thick and fucking thing.

What are we talking about? That's real. Like, so, and I love it. And that's my best friend, man. And it's like, you know, you got famous with her. And you just... Nah, I was famous for her. All right, right, right.

Different level, but I'm just saying like it's once, I feel like once you get famous, like, it's wise to hold on to the relationships that you had before that because how can you trust anybody after that? Well, when she first met me, she thought I was a dope boy. Right. I thought that during this interview for a moment. When I said the Texaco thing, that's kind of what I was referring to. I just been an international hustler for my whole life. but I come from that kind of background, but that's never been my forte.

You know what I mean? Like gambling, yeah, doing a couple other things, yeah. As far as trying to sell some shit, bag on some shit, that wasn't like, that never really, like, inspired me. So how do you feel when you look at somebody, like John Morant who has all the opportunities in the world in front of him as a professional athlete but clearly is very intrigued by that gangster shit to the point where at times it's almost felt like wow you're gonna fuck up your pro career just trying to be on some tough

shit I don't really think he on a tough shit it seems like he chilled out a bit but he had a bad couple months there yeah but like it ain't like he out fucking fighting or no he yeah but he's like in the club showing his gun and shit That's not good. Oh, I ain't see that part. Oh, yeah, that was a wild. Yeah, that's, that's like, you can't be in the NBA doing that. I've been there and done that shit, though.

Right. And at a time, like, I think, Jai, he'll, he'll figure it out. But it's, that shit ain't, that shit ain't what they make it to be. Yeah. And 90% of the real ones that's doing it would cut off their arm and leg to do what we get to do. Exactly. That's why I like your mentality, because you actually saw that for what it was and appreciated the gift that you had.

had and actually took advantage of it. Yeah, I was on bullshit, though. At one point in the time, I was on bullshit. Like, I would have my pilster out, like, would go with my pilster everywhere, like, party every night. But I didn't forget football. And he's still playing good basketball,

but, like, it takes times. Like, I don't know his situation and, like, how he grew up. Obviously, it wasn't the way that I grew up, you know what I mean? But I just, I think, Certain shit take time. I do like that too, though, or not even him necessarily, but guys who fall into that,

I kind of get it because it's like, you know, if rap music is like the primary art form that you've been consuming your entire life, and so much of the most popular rap music is basically about gangster shit. And like, meanwhile, other ways of making it in life are just not really like celebrated in the culture in the same way. It's kind of like easy to understand how dudes

end up fetishizing this gangster shit so much. I don't understand. If you didn't grow up in that shit, I don't understand. Like, I didn't have a choice. You get what I'm saying? Like, all the private school, I use my son, for example,

these motherfuckin' hustible babies that want to then start going, acting like that, like, I don't respect it. But, like, if you come from that, like, it's going to take some time, regardless of what anybody say. and some guidance and some big brothers and all that shit

that like mentally get you to see what's the bigger picture is. But I don't understand when you stand in a 30,000 square feet house when you've been growing up and then when you get to the league, then you want to be a gangster. Like that's kind of ass back-hose to me. So out of Atlanta we've seen a lot of people having this whole, the streets are dead conversation. And then like dudes getting shitloads of blowback for saying that kind of thing.

But it does stand out to me that this is like the first time in rap history, honestly, that I could think of that like big rappers who made their name off street content are really kind of even if they're sort of walking it back a little bit after they say it and shit, but are really kind of putting this idea out there of like maybe as a culture we shouldn't be pushing this type of shit the same. same way. The motherfuckers who are saying some, they ain't been fighting for their life though. That's the biggest difference. Like anybody can sit right here and say, oh, Scree, you do, do, do, like, once you've been through so much shit, it's the point where you're like, man, fuck this shit. You get what I'm saying? And some of them are going to be like, well, the reason you made it to where you are is because

the Screeks supported you. I don't agree with that shit either, though, because you made it because we made it because where you're at because of the talent that you got. Now, you might be talking about some of the shit that you went through. But if that's the case that everybody can do it. Right. I mean, it stands out to me that, like, the streets are dead is, like, a vague enough statement that people are able to kind of read whatever they want into it.

Like, if the streets are dead means, like, hey, we need to stop killing each other. We need to stop beefing with this neighborhood. We need to try to, like, find ways to get over this shit for sure, 100%. If the streets are dead means, yo, it's all good. We can just snitch on each other. I mean, that seems like a bullshit interpretation.

I don't think they're saying it like that. I think they're saying like, hey, bro, there's something bigger than fucking us killing each other. It's something bigger than us drinking lane all day and doing this or selling dope or fettinol or whatever it is. Like that shit is dead.

Like, Trump just told you, this is going to be a, you're going to fucking jail if you get caught with this shit. Like, so to that extent, yeah, like, but I don't think it, they were saying it in the contents of snitching. I don't, I don't think that's what they meant about. Yeah, I mean. And I know, I know Thug, I know Lucci, I know Savage, pretty good. Right.

Like, really good. Yeah. Like, damn. good. Right. Like this. Like actual human being. Yes. Like been to my house. I've been to their house. You know what I mean? So I don't think they were

saying it like that though. But you know, everybody going to take it and flip it to make it do whatever they wanted to do. But it's wild because, I mean, Thug and Lucci putting their beef aside is huge. Yeah. Like that is so gigantic for Atlanta and like rap music in general because that kind of sets the example for other people going

forward that like just because blood has been shed doesn't mean that we can't get past this. But you see how much shit that they're taken from that by people who really kind of want to uphold that idea. Folks can say all that shit. Lucha and Thud is making bankroads right now. Luchy is booked out damn near to next year. Like, it's the internet, bro.

The internet is undefeated. The internet is undefeated. But like, they make away more money. than entertaining the same up that's not paying no money. And the fact that they're both not doing 20 years or whatever, I feel like they both wake up every day thankful as fuck, that they were able to get away with as, you know, less of a, you know, punishment as possible.

And I think they realize, like, if we keep this shit going, like, this shit is just going to keep happening. The city has their fucking eye on us. Like, we're just not going to be able to live life as ops so we might as well get past it at some point. Yeah, yeah. I agree with exactly what you said. Like

of course they got the aisle and I'm like at a certain point you know what I mean, we ain't got to be buddy buddy but like this shit got to stop. Yeah. And that's what I think about the whole Scree's dead shit. No, definitely.

And now, you know, it's kind of interesting by Atlanta because a bunch of the the music that's kind of coming out and stuff, it kind of feels like maybe Atlanta's like entering into a little bit of a different era musically. Like I feel like I'm seeing like with that Metro album kind of like an embrace of like a more positive energetic sound because there has been a lot of doom and gloom coming out of

the city over the last however many years just because of the fact that so many of the biggest rappers have been caught up and crazy as Rikos and shit like that. And so when I see Metro put out an album like that, and I see Playboy Cardi embracing schoolie and, you know, kind of paying reverence to a different era. I'm kind of like, okay, this kind of feels like a turning point, maybe for the culture as a whole. I think that music is always going to be there. I mean, like, it's always going to be, everybody in the world of NBA Youngboy right now. NBA Youngboy ain't talking about never goddamn spraying a motherfucker up.

So, like, I think it's always going to be a lane for that. Speaking of Metro, Metro can, he is by far one of the most talented motherfuckers that I've ever seen in the studio. He can make anything, bro. Metro can put out a gospel album right now. It's going to be fire. Yeah. But I think that music, as far as the culture, is in Atlanta, that trap, violent, whatever,

you want to, we call it trap music. That lane is always going to be there, I think. You know what I mean? I don't think, I don't think that lane is going to never leave Atlanta when it comes to that. Yeah. It's probably always going to be a place for it. But, you know, I feel like balance is a good thing. I feel like the older hip-hop gets, it's harder and harder for people to like just stick to that one mentality.

It's just, you know, it's too destructive. They want to hear can you really rap now. Yeah, well, okay, how do you feel when you hear people saying that, like, hip-hop's at kind of like an all-time low commercially and that maybe it's just not going to ever get to the point that it's been for however many years, 10, 20 years, it was like the default. Like, that is the most popular form of music. And now it feels like, oh, shit, like maybe hip-hop's going to be kind of taking a backseat to other forms of music at this point. Um, I think hip-hop still always going to be number one. But the rideways and the jelly rows have changed a lot of magnitudes of the radio, I shall say.

You know what I mean? It's a lot of good artists that's putting out a lot of good songs that you want to hear. And it's a time and the place for NBA Young Boy, but some of them songs, you want to hear. But also he has a lot of the elements of somebody like Rodway where the melodies and the creativity and it's just not like paint by numbers drill, which I feel like that is what the culture is sick of. It's just generic, basic-ass hip-hop that doesn't say anything interesting. I've never been into the one that's like that, though. Yeah. Like, I like the, I like that way more than just like that.

Like, right, yeah. It is changing, though. I would agree with you on this saying it. It is changing. Because, okay, you're putting out a hip-hop single called Drop It Like a Tailgate? Drop it at the tail. Drop it like a tailgate?

Yeah, it's a country music song that me and Jimmy Allen did. Which is, it come out January the 20th. It's just different genre. Like, it's got that snap. twang to it but I'll play a little snippet for you Oh shit

But yeah You're about to rap on that Or you're singing I'm about to rap on that? Oh okay okay I kept this kind of cookie cake Well I shouldn't say cookie cake I kept it

What's the word? You know what I'm at? Pull a little bit tailgaget Something different You know what I was dope That was hard Do you have a lot of exposure to country growing up? No, I didn't.

But then I bought this land in Tennessee and my next door neighbor was Joyce Jones. Oh, wow. Yeah. And that changed my whole outlook on country music. So what, you just started hanging out around him and he was playing it? Yeah.

Nice. One of my closest friends is Jelly Road. We went to college together. Really? Oh, you've known them that long. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. That's got to be super true.

Sleeping on my couch. Like yellow rolls like this Wow that's crazy Because I was watching him as a fan Watching him as like a little white tommy And you know Wrapping about pills and all this crazy shit And then to see what it has happened to his career

Where he's like headlining Fucking music festivals and shit I'm like what the fuck I've been trying to interview him before Like I never actually managed to get it in But I was trying to interview him before The whole country thing blew up Bro he's always been musically like insane

Like Yeah At first he was rapping, but he could sing his ass off. And when we left college, we both went to Nashville. After he got out, he's like, man, I'm going to do country music. And one thing led to another and shun. Yeah. But I can tell him it to God.

Unbelievable heart, man. One of the greatest persons in the world. Before that, too. Before all the fame and all that. shit like he bought we could be at school he going to the store he might got ten dollars but he gonna be if he bought him something to drink he bought me something to drink so we was we was like this like that's my boy he's a good dude too man yeah no he seems like you got for sure um but so are you actually like driving around us in a country at this point or is it more just when you're in the proper

setting i have my artists that i like um jelly is definitely one of them um um Ed Shearing is one of them. You know what that makes you if you like Ed Shearing? Huh? You're a Shirio. I'll be that. I asked Chad, GBT, what do you call the hardcore Ed Shearing fan that said you're a Shariao? I'll be that.

I love his music. Did you see this thing he did on Netflix? No, I did. You are going to watch this? You have to watch this. It's one of the craziest things you'll ever see. It's like him walking through New York. It's a huge production.

He's like playing all these songs. It's like a live concert. as he's walking through New York City and he, like, is just stopping and doing all these different performances is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. He's telling it. Bro, it'll blow your fucking mind.

I'm gonna take that up. I really didn't, like, even care that much about him, and then I just saw this, and I was like, wow, I'm like a huge fan now. Bro, he got some songs. Yeah. And I'm weird like that, though, because I can, like, I got, I'm, I'm diverse, I shall say. like with my group of friends that I have around.

Well, I heard you said I have 60 good friends and 10 of them are are. And I was like, wow, that's actually a crazy ratio. Like, dude, what do you, is it white people specifically? Or you go like Mexican homies, Asian? I guess Mexican homie, but like my group are core friends. that's like, not saying that I don't have no black friends, but are predominantly white

and all genres, like, and they're crazy, it's hell too. But you think football kind of like opened you up to that, just having a- West Virginia did. West Virginia opened me up to be a little bit more diversified because growing up in Atlanta,

I only had one white kid in my school. And when I got to West Virginia, Virginia, it was like, all right, now are you on a, the butt kick here. So kind of helped me, it taught me to diversify myself, you know what I mean? Wow, that right there, though, that's got to be, that's like the ultimate experience to, like, show you life from both sides. That's crazy. It shows you that color don't matter.

Yeah. Wow. How was that white kid doing, though? He's doing good. He has a smooth existence out there, or was he dealing with a lot of shit? No, he was actually Josh. He's a wheelchair. He's a smaller guy.

He only like this big, but like that's our, that was our guy. Right. Like he was our team water boy, but couldn't give us the water. But like he went to the national championship with us. And he was our guy. Like, he bent over backwards for him too, bro. Like that was not bend over backwards. I shouldn't say that on here.

for like Pauls, Adam, polls. But yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. Hey, I want to ask this, why did you end up taking those

fights for Barstool? Like, what was going on in your life that you decided that you were down to do that shit? Bro, I love to fight. Like, still to the day, I love fighting. And I'm like, if I'm going to fight somebody,

at least I'm going to fight somebody that can really fucking fight. And the kid, his lights out. I had watched him, I'm like, he's a big fuck. I don't know if I should do this. But you didn't have any particular animosity against this guy? No.

Just a big, bald, white dude. I actually talked to him before the fight. Let's go. The first time I was prepared, like, I trained, didn't have sex before the fight. For how long? I think I lasted

two weeks before the fight. Wow. But the second fight, I had six with her the day before the fight. You didn't have to fuck you up? It did, bro. Really? My legs up. The first time I got hit my shit went wobbly.

I'm like, holy shit. And that's by, if I could change anything. And I was going to ask you this when I get a second with you. If you don't listen to nothing else, I tell you, to not get no ass to weak up the fight. I'm sold. Okay. Because my coach told me that too. Bro.

And I'm like, I asked Shad GBT, I'm like, is this true that your testosterone increases by not coming and it's like, no, it's not true? But I think like psychologically it could get you there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not psychologically. I'm telling you, it's a big difference. Like, it ain't playing football. It is, when you're boxing, I did it the second fight.

I should have won the, I thought I won the first. Like, I was pretty good. The second fight got, had a second fight. And, like, he didn't even really hit me. But when he hit me, like, I couldn't, like, my legs was heavy. Like, I'm telling you, it's a big difference. It's a big difference. What made you not want to pursue that further?

It's not that I didn't want to pursue it. I'm still, like, in the gym right now. I've had a couple calls come, but it's just got to be right. Like, I like talking shit. I love fighting. and if it's on the right platform or done the right way, I'll sign up in a heartbeat.

But I feel like you have enough money that them... You do too. So why the fuck are you fighting? More money, number one. But also, you know, wanted to challenge myself. There we go. Definitely, okay. You're not...

I ain't going to say you're fighting for more money. I believe that you're getting paid a good ticket. But I don't think whatever you're making And pretty good with numbers is a financial change or anything. You get what I'm saying? It's cool, but it's not going to change my year. Right. That's what I'm saying.

So, yeah. See, okay, the problem with me is that I took the fight on two or three weeks notice. And honestly, when I said yes, I wasn't really like tripping about winning or whatever. I was just like, bro, this is going to be crazy. Like, I got to do it. This is going to be funny as far. it'll be viral the money is good whatever and now that i'm actually training boxing and actually like really doing all the cardio and everything now i actually really care and kind of makes that

that shit is work it makes me wish that i had had like a reasonable amount of time to prepare but also it's just like now after this i feel like i want to keep going with it even though i'm 42 realistically yeah boxing training is way different than any of the training yeah like it is and like you got a really dedicate yourself to put in the work because it's not easy. Definitely not easy. Like that first time,

remember the first time I sparred and we was only doing like two minute rounds where I couldn't even breathe after two minutes and like I had been running like miles and miles and miles and miles. And you're an elite athlete.

So yeah, thank you. That makes me feel a little bit better about my experience sparring this morning. Okay. Yeah. Your first time sparring? Yeah. Because that's different than just hitting the bag.

And no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're getting hit, you're punching, you're moving. You got to control your, control your breathing. And the most thing is, like, what was hard for me was staying, like, calm. Like, calm down. This is, like, it's different than me going in a street fight. Yeah. Then box it.

Street fight is usually very spur of the moment. Yes. There's almost no time to think about it before it happens. and then realistically it usually gets broken up before you're even able to do that much or somebody jumps in, whatever. It's like the street fighting thing really doesn't seem like it's prepared me in any way for what.

It's not. It's not. That jab is what's going to keep you good. The job, and just when you can catch him, you can catch him. But R.P. Coach Mike, man, he taught me a lot when I was with him training. But, yes, it's a big difference. There's so many fights I've watched

like influencer type fights Celebrity fights or whatever Where I've been thinking like Yo this is so pathetic When I'm watching them gas out and shit I don't think I'll never be able to be judgmental like that Again because that is one of the hardest things You could possibly do

Man I was on the same hand Like what you said Yeah you're watching and you're laughing at these dudes Yeah I'm like All right first day sport And I'm like All right team let's go

I need 20 more seconds, but like, then it, like, damn, this shit is really for real. Like, I'm laughing at buddy over there, but this shit harder than what it looked like. Yeah. Now I just have infinite respect, even for the shitty celebrity boxing type events or whatever. I'm just like, bro, anybody who's willing to get in there and fight for nine minutes is super impressive to me. Yeah. So, okay, just to rewind to, like, when you realize. your career was kind of coming to a close, what was that? Was that a personal decision or did it just

become super obvious to you that you were kind of past your prime physically? Or what made you decide to quit? I don't even think I was past my prime. I actually went to Denver and started play really good. But they wanted me to coach, really coach the younger guys. And mentally, I wasn't in a place to coach. Like, I still had some in the tank. And I was like, you know, I've had a good run. I'm quitting on my time. But I don't want to be sitting here just fucking playing third down

and punt return. When the guy that's in front of me, yeah, he's younger, but he's some shit, I shall say. And, like, mentally, I just, I couldn't do it. I came home. Like, week, what, five, six? I'm like, bro, I'm done with this shit. Like, I'm done.

I can't take it no more. And I went in there and told Vijay, I'm like, look, man, I'm thankful for you bringing me to Denver. Like, I ain't, mentally I ain't into it no more because I don't know how to, I don't know how to do what y'all want me to do. Like, I'm still in fight-a-flight mode. So if I'm not going to get to go and play, the amount of plays that I want to play,

I'm going to hang it up. Because you had a long career, but then also you're like pretty young when you retire. Like did you already have a plan in place of like this is what I want to accomplish? Or were you more like, I'm going to just see how it goes? After I went through my little suspension when I was script clubbing, I was just at the point like, all right, I got the last laugh at this. I've done pretty good. I've accomplished pretty much everything except going to the Super Bowl. And I still felt good.

like I'm healthy and my neck ain't banged up so mentally I was content with what I what I had did with the body of work that I wasn't really pressed about it no more did you start going through it mentally after the fact though because I feel like I've just known so many people who are like really elite athletes and then once they don't have something that they're constantly focused on and training for that life just doesn't seem as exciting and I've seen that I've seen that and tragically for some of the BMX dudes over the years? Well, nah. Because I was always involved in certain little things,

like wrestling. I was the first one to do the TNA wrestling. Projects, real estate, restaurants. Like, I had a lot of shit that I was already doing before I retired. But my main thing was shit, I wanted to spend time with my kids. like I was telling you about my daughter what all she went through when she was an infant. So mentally like no I was I was kind of content like and went and did I'm athlete would be for a little while to talk shit about different things but

um nah I was I was pretty I was pretty like I said, content. It wasn't, I had no itch. Like, that's when I knew, I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm done with it. Some dudes, that's, like, all they have mentally. It's, like, just focusing on being the best at this thing. And then when it goes away, it's just hard for them to kind of adapt to that.

I got some friends that's been through that. But I've always, I'm different, man. I meant wide up a little different. I don't know how to explain it, but, and some people love that thrill coming out the tunnel, which I loved it more than anything.

But I've always been able to figure out some way to challenge my energy and something else. You know what I mean? To try not to get to a point where I'm depressed because I'm not playing football. Now, I will say, I did miss the locker room a little bit as far as communicating with the boys, talking about different shit. You're just used to having this social network that's kind of separate from your regular world,

and it's constantly kind of exciting and changing and you're working together. Yeah. Yeah, that's got to be weird saying by to that. But I was one of the guys that put everybody in fucking text-making. Like, yo, what the fuck are y'all doing today, bro? So you're still like coaching, even though you're not part of it? That's funny. Yeah.

That was dope. So, okay, what made you want to pivot into the, podcast and thing or doing content. This one right here. She's like, you're going to start a podcast. I'm like, I don't want to do no podcast. She's like, I had a dream that you were going to be one

the biggest one. Really? All right, whatever. So I went to did a couple podcasts a year I retired, like interviews and shit. And then it was just something about when me and B got together, Brandon got together.

I was like, maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. So I started eye out. I'm athlete with Brandon. We built it, built some that was special. Like we was number one part during the time where right after COVID. And then, you know, everybody went their separate ways.

And then I started my minds politely raw. Well, actually, I'm going to pass. I went over with McAfee, Pat McAfee. Shout out to the boys. over there at Pat McAfee. Did it with Pat for a couple years, and then I was just like, I got to get my own lane. And I think I learned a lot from Pat

as far as the business side of doing the pod. And my approach, and I came out with Politely Row, which I talked my shit in my way, you know what I mean. And it's been good, though. I enjoy breaking down games, talking shit, hot topics, you know what I mean. Eyes on, or who's going to bleed first between y'all in the fight. Will the fight go the whole way?

Does doing sports content, does it feel like this is a market that is just like unbelievably flooded where it's hard to stand out? Or does it feel like that you have like a hardcore fan base that's really appreciative of it? I think I have a very good fan base, which is very diverse. Right. You know what I mean? I got a Hood fan base. Then I got an athlete fan base with one I'm athlete. And then Pat McAfee have his own internet people,

so I got some of those from that fan base. Burt is a different fan base. Tom is a different fan base. like me being in all these different jungers of people and friends that I have, I think, have helped my fan base as far as the show. No, for sure. What do you dislike about podcasting? Is there any parts of it that you find annoying?

Not with what I do. No, I enjoy it. I enjoy it. Yeah, because talking about sports has got to be so second nature to you. I don't only talk about sports. I talk about everything. Right. But my main things is sports, though.

Like, I'm definitely going to talk about your fight with Jason Love. I look forward to the review, yeah. And I talk about everything, though. Like, a little bit of politics. I kind of stay away from certain things. But I'll talk about certain things that I feel a passion about if it's wrong or right. Hmm. Definitely.

Shit, yeah. Okay, so besides that, you got any, like, big moves that you're planning on making? Is there anything that, like, really stands out to you that you want to accomplish before you reach unk status? Do you feel like you're at? Unk status? 42?

Hell no. We ain't at Unk yet. Yeah. We still, that's what? I think that 50 is Unks. Yeah, yeah. 50 is a thing, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, 40. was scary as fuck before I hit it and now I'm used to it but 50 is 50 is poop um I'm really enjoyed doing these movies right now I would say um getting the main role and in one of these nice movies or with 50 or something in one of these sitcoms will probably be something that I want to get off my bucket list you know what I mean but I enjoy talking about shit. I think that my show in the next

three years would be one of the biggest as far as sports talk. I got a good group of people around me. Shout out my boy, Drew Butler, Antonio Walker, who I'm Miss Big Schley.

I got a good little group around me that we do a pretty good job of talking about sports, but not I like the regular way. Everybody else talking about sports.

So the country music thing, that's more of like a side hobby. What if that takes off? Are you ready to be like jelly roll? You're gonna be on the road? Oh yeah. All the time. Yeah, yeah. And I got some more songs that I got coming out too, but I love making music.

It's not a hobby, but you know, it only take one song. I probably got a hundred songs, but it take one to blow up. I'm actually working on something right now with Pat McAfee. He's putting, oh, I don't know about, I can break his shit. Pat McAfee is putting out of the country album, too,

so. Wow. Yeah, I like, I love, I enjoy doing the music. It's a way for me to express myself in a different way, besides behind the mic. 100%.

Yeah, man, thank you for coming through. It was awesome to have a conversation for sure. Yes, sir. Yeah. Pac-Man. Adam. Appreciate you, Doug.

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