No Jumper - Payroll Giovanni on Doughboyz Cashout, Signing to Jeezy, Juggalo Gangs & More

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

Payroll Giovanni talks about his influences, his upbringing, the Detroit scene, YG, and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 0:05 Payroll Giovanni on being one of the best rappers in Michigan 1:20 Being influenced by Street Lordz and being able to spot someone from Detroit in a crowd 4:00 Growing up with young parents selling dr**s and getting his house raided 10:05 Giovanni’s friend RJ had to convince him to having dreams of being a rapper 12:10 The creation of Doughboyz Cashout and rappers getting k*** over a pair of Cartier’s 18:30 T.I. and Young Jeezy reaching out with a record deal and how record labels have changed 21:45 Signing to Jeezy, moving to Atlanta and becoming a walking lick 26:00 Beefing with Team Eastside, the comment section instigating and picking sides 28:55 Icewear Vezzo not f'n with Eminem for allegedly not working with Detroit artists 32:40 Juggalos allegedly being a g*ng and what ICP is up to nowadays 38:25 Tension meeting Peezy after squashing the beef, Giovanni’s influence on Tee Grizzley and GTA V 43:00 Making a group album with YG, Warren G, Jeezy and Cardo 44:25 Fans paying homage to Giovanni’s music and the nightclub scene getting old 49:30 Enjoying family time, Giovanni’s son becoming a rapper and being sneaky on Snapchat 51:30 Dropping a new track, interviews being messy and clickbait titles 53:30 Getting stuck in a box artistically and being a genuine person ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. I'm very, very honored to have payroll Gianvani in the building. Yes, yes. How are you feeling, man? Can't complain, man. You know, working, grinding. Ever since we started interviewing Detroit rappers, a couple years ago,

we really started, you know, get in the mix. You're, like, probably top, top two, maybe top three of artists that people just hit me and are just like, yo, if you really want to tell the story, you got to tap in with payroll. Yeah, yeah. So when they told me, payroll Genevonnie's down to do an interview, I was like, okay, this is perfect. Because, you know, there's a lot of history that was laid, you know,

10 years ago, however long ago, that sometimes people who are into, like, the whole new wave of Detroit and Flint shit, they kind of miss out on, right? Right, right. Oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely. So Detroit always been, like, its own scene.

Right. But it feels like there was, like, a certain street era, if you will. I don't know if there's a better word for it. that kind of got ushered in by you and a few other people, maybe like 10 or so years ago? I mean, even like before us, you had street lords, rock bottom, East Side Cheddar Boys. Like, they kind of, to my generation, they laid the blueprint.

You know, it was groups before them, too, like to go back to the 80s and all of that. Right. Right. But was that your primary stuff that you were listening to when you got into music? I was listening to Street Lords, heavy, and Eastside Cheddar Boys. Like they kind of like showed the blueprint of what a Detroit dude supposed to look like, how he's supposed to carry themselves. Kind of like what the goals was, you know, he was like a baby streetlords for real. And were you listening to like everything else that was popping in America or were you mostly just listening to stuff that was regional?

I know, most definitely. Like we was listening to Jay Z, Rough Riders, Fabulous, cash money. You know, heavy cash money. Detroit was real heavy on cash money. Right. When they first came out, like, everybody started putting 20s and 22s on their cars and TVs wearing the platinum jury. Like, cash money kind of, it came out kind of messed the streets up. Everybody got to really flossing for real.

Right. That's kind of interesting, though, because when we think about Detroit, I mean, I at least think of it as being, like, more close culturally to, like, a New York than it would be to, like, down south. But do you feel like you were kind of influenced more by the shit that was coming from down south? Well, Street Lords, they sound was kind of like West Coast and like the Bay mixed with like some cash money. So that was kind of our sound for real. Right. We never really sound like New York like that or not. Not sound-wise.

I guess I just mean like culturally or like personality-wise, you know? No, Detroit got its own, you know, on culture. You know, I haven't been to New York. I haven't been a lot of places. I ain't really seen nothing like Detroit other than the Bay. The Bay kind of like, kind of similar to Detroit. But Detroit got its own wave, man. You could look at a dude in the club and just know he from Detroit.

Right. Like it's something I can't really explain, but just the way they carry themselves, the way words they use, you know, mannerisms. You still feel like that? Like, you still feel like if you went to the club tonight in L.A. That you might be able to point out Detroit guy. Hell yeah. What have he been out here for 10 years?

He still going to have Detroit all over. He's still going to have Detroit all over for show, for show. That's interesting because out here I'm so used to hearing people from Long Beach say that they could spot another dude from Long Beach easily in a room full of people from other parts of L.A. And I hear people from Compton say the same thing. I mean, when you grow up somewhere, you just, you know, you're going to have a certain mannerism, certain words you say a certain way,

you know, like wearing certain clothes a certain way. Like Detroit dudes is kind of, you know, we kind of flashy. little bit. Even when we subtle, we still a little flashy. But it's certain words, like, what up, dope, you know, for sure. My baby, like, that's a Detroit dude all day. Right, little things like that. Okay, I got you. So tell me a little bit about your upbringing and what your childhood was like. I grew up on this block called Strathmore, Finkel, Finkel-Av, West Side. You know, it was cool. It was cool. I was a only child. I had both my parents. Spoiled as hell.

Spoiled. Yeah, very spoiled. So they only had one kids, so they only had to distribute. And my parents was young. Right. My mama had me, she was like 15. Oh, wow. Pops was like 16, 17.

And, you know, it was getting money, so I was getting the best of everything. Getting money like they had jobs and stuff? No, they was, you know, it was in the game. Really? So I didn't know that. I'm just growing up. This is normal life to me. But were you seeing it at a certain point, though?

Yeah, I was seeing it. And when you said a game, you mean selling drugs? Yeah, yeah. You know, I was seeing it, but I didn't know that this wasn't normal until I got around other kids and they're like, you know, this shit is crazy. It really wasn't until our career got rated where I was like, okay. What age was that? I want to say like, man, probably like six or something, seven. I was young as hell enough, the first one. Because criminal stuff probably doesn't seem like the biggest deal to you as a kid. And then when you realize that there are consequences, that's when all of a sudden has to kind of connect. When the first raid happened,

that's when I knew, like, well, they had to sit me down and talk to me. Right. Explain to me what was going on. Because I'm like, what the fuck? I was in the bathroom. I just heard a bunch of noise, seeing these dudes running through the crib with jackets on and and said ATF on them. And everybody had a routine. Everybody run upstairs. This person run downstairs. You know, they flushed shit down to toilet. I'm the only one lost. Like, what the fuck? So everybody in the house had a game playing. Yeah, they had. They had a, What was the fucking movie, Blow or whatever, where they start flushing everything down the toilet?

Damn, really. So you had been seeing the Coke? You just didn't know what it was for? I wasn't seeing no Coke or nothing. No, you know, you probably just come, you see a triple beam scale or something in the kitchen, but I'm thinking this is in everybody's kitchen. Right.

You know, I ain't seen what they're doing on triple beam scale, but counting money and all that type of shit. You know, you knew when to get out the room. Why is it a triple beam scale? I have no idea. I don't know. It's just a really good scale? That's kind of before my era.

Like if you have two beams, it's kind of wagg. If you have three beams, it's good. I don't know, man. I don't even know how they even use them things, man. But that was always in the kitchen, the triple beam scale. So did your parents get in serious trouble after that, though? No, I just remember I'm taking all our shit. You know, like it took our TVs.

We had this big-ass TV, took the cars. Took all our shit. And the jury was like, you know, they stashed the jury in my room or something. Really? Wow. But they didn't get locked up or anything. My dad, my pops would get. like locked up you know but they never really used to find shit oh really yeah they ain't never like

walked out with some big ass bag of dope with some guns and nothing but this was just kind of going on like your whole time that you were a little bit like like like three or four times oh wow yeah like three or four times see in my head I'm imagining it happens once and that's kind of the end of everything no no no no yeah no you know that was going on in that neighborhood a lot though right it was normal definitely so as a young kid though are you planning on being a good kid? Are you kind of like accepting the whole while? Like, oh, maybe I'm just going to be doing the family business.

No, I was like a good kid to me. You know, other kids probably say different. Right. But to me, I was a good kid. Like, I kind of looked down on hustling when I was young because I was introduced to it from that perspective. It's old news to you, yeah. It's not like me where I like find out about drug dealing.

It's like, oh, this is crazy thing. Like when my man's no guy to hustle, I'm like, y'all retarded. Like, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all don't get kicked in, like, any day. Right. Because that's how I was introduced to it. Right. You know, so I grew up just, just really, to me, a normal fly kid in the hood. You know what I'm saying?

I wasn't getting into no dumb shit and nothing like that. And then, you know, you get older and you want to get some money. And you kind of peep, like, how your lifestyle already set up. Right. And he's like, man, I got to get with this good program. But you needed to get your own money? You weren't going to be like, hey, maybe mom, dad, hook me up. By the time I was older, all that shit was over with.

Oh, really? Yeah. They were out the game by the time. Yeah, they were, you know, regular folks, you know, working jobs, whatever. Yeah, selling drugs usually not like a 20, 30-year profession. No, it's not meant to be that. It's a lick, and you take the lick and you create something legit with it and leave that shit alone.

Right. Try to make that shit a lifestyle, you know. But so you get literally back into doing the thing. the same exact kind of shit that you had grown up around? Man, a little bit, you know. Switch it up a little bit. But my grandparents was hustling too. Like they was, my grandadet was a big deal over there.

And you really got it in you. And I didn't know that until I got older. You're going to have to fucking fight hard to make sure your kids don't get into this shit. Because it would appear that it kind of runs in the fan. Well, that's why I work so hard doing what I do. you know what I'm saying my my kids they don't even you know they've never seen that shit right but uh but once they start to get like 15 16 once they start one nice shit you got really like get in there they got to be in position already have something set up for them that

that's where shit got got kind of fucked up with me was you know I get older and I want money for myself it was no it was like no foundation it was like oh here go this business you can run here go this some of it was like I was kind of like had to figure it out on my own I always hustle any way I could. You know, whether it was taking bottles to the stove. I sell my damn Al-A-Saham, you know, Al-Symp jackets was real popular in Detroit. My hustle was like selling my Al-Azab jacket right before the winner, buy another one, do something with the extra hundreds.

Whatever hustle I could come up with, you know. It wasn't until like one of my men's, you know, my man's R.J. rest of peace. He was just like, why don't you hustle? Like, you know, you're retarded. Like, dude,

he's like, man, everybody in the neighborhood love you. Like, why are you on hustle? Like, this shit in your blood. And it was like, yeah,

right. Why don't I hustle? Right. So, you know, he's got to dabbling, dibbling and dabble in a little bit. Right. Would you say that you were fully

into that before you ever thought about being a rapper? Yeah. No, no, no. No, let me see. I kind of always, could rap since elementary school.

But back then, it was damn there, like, impossible to get into rap. Right. That was when you had to system, like, get a record deal, get a real beat, 10 million beat. You know, you had to really get a deal. You couldn't just come out independent and make some noise. So that was, like, the same as getting the NBA contract

to us. Like, damn, you're one in a million. Yeah. Because it's not like the way it is now where you could very easily, like, scrape together a thousand bucks, a couple hundred bucks, get a video done, put it on YouTube. No. Get 10,000 views and keep working at it.

You know, all of a sudden, you got a project. Back then, if your mama was like, yeah, my son, a rapper, he ain't got a record deal. He was broke. Yeah. He was like, oh, he was wasted a goddamn time. Right. So, you know, it was just something I knew I was good at, but it was nothing I was never trying to pursue.

But a lot of those local Detroit dudes probably didn't have record deals, right? And you guys were still fucking with them? The street lords and shit. Or did they? They didn't have no record deals. But they was getting money. It was bawling. Right.

So, you know, that was kind of like the Detroit motto. Rap really wasn't a cool thing to really be doing like that. Right. You know, we even used to get that. Like, Do Boys Cash Out. We used to get that. Like, y'all rapping ass, niggas. Y'all, dick, you get money, nigga.

Like, that's the Detroit culture, get money. Right. So it was kind of looked down on a little bit at first. So how long were you in the streets before you started taking the rap shit more seriously? Or when did Doe Boys Cash Out begin to? become a thing. Oh, boys, cash out.

Well, we was a crew before we was rapping. Okay, right. Crew just, some young dudes shining,

mess with all the ladies and just beefing with all the other crews, you know, he was popping, like, on the scene. And we made a song

just playing around about Cartier glasses. And it kind of blew up on, like, the team club, a little atmosphere. And, uh... What year we're retiring?

Man, I want to say, this is probably 06. So the Cardiators were big even back then? Oh, they was big way before that. Oh, really? Who was getting killed for them glasses when I was in middle school? But always been a Detroit thing primarily, right?

Yeah. But I got introduced to him leaving middle school, going to high school. You know, I heard about a dude that got killed for him. So I'm like, please don't wear them glasses. Right. I ended up wearing them anyway. Yeah. You know, he just had to have them.

They was like the coolest shit on earth. Right. Yeah. You know, it was like a status symbol. Sometimes I wonder how I look with those on. and you're going to look like money compliment everybody yeah but maybe not in a good way

I don't know you like a shade yeah I like a shade yeah I'm saying way but uh okay so all right so y'all were a crew for a while before you started really rapping like was there any idea of like oh maybe we should change our name or anything

because you know you might not want to necessarily be doing and we see this with YSL where you might not want the label and the street I feel like we was no we wasn't like no game I ain't got nothing. You know, we was just like a crew of friends just, like, shining together. You know, like, our thing was ladies and getting money.

And this is like the good old days before y'all had issues with anybody or? No, we always had issues with people. It really was just because we was shining so hard and the girls cheerleading so much that, you know, of course, the other dudes, they don't like that shit. It's got to come with it, yeah. Yeah, it just came with the territory. Right. So, I mean, it is pretty wild because when I go,

back and watch the old videos like I don't know there's just like a real style to y'all guys that just really stands out a lot and you can see like seeds of like what detroit rap now sounds like in that shit where you can you can really feel like the the beginning of certain things coming together and how people have taken some of the early sonic influences and really rolled with it since then yeah yeah we we was just having fun man we didn't we didn't have an idea to impact any of that was going to have city like we was just making music for ourselves for real like just to listen to in the cars and pull up banging in front of the parties we wasn't supposed to be at the dudes just be like man i bet not come to this party you know you need it's going we just go go down we put right up

banging our shit and you know just out the window that's really what we made our shit though we didn't think it was going to turn into what it turned into right but does it feel like way simpler times when you look at it because it sounds like a version of Detroit that was probably a lot less dangerous than it is these days? Detroit was dangerous as hell back then. It was dangerous as shit. You know, that's when dudes was follow you home for them glasses.

Yeah, dudes would be in your bushes for them, Cardi. How much are they? Like a thousand bucks? Thousand. If you got the new ones, probably like two. Right. You know, but in our area, it was really like the woods and the buffs,

the old school buffs. So, like, four, five hundred, six hundred to a thousand. Right. You know, 1,500 tops. And it was a dude to follow your ass home. That's a bad... Kill you over them. That's a bad state of affairs when you could get killed over like a $500 pair of glasses.

A lot of dudes lost their life, you know, behind them glass. Man, a lot of people lost their lives around Starter jackets, too, and those were like $100. Yeah, yeah. That's like, what, 80s, 90s something? Yeah, like, I remember my parents telling me about that when I was a kid. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's not happening here in New Hampshire, but... It probably was. Killed?

I don't know. I heard about dudes getting beat up for... Yeah, for sure, but... I don't know. I'm going to be really... even my whole time through high school, I never really heard about anybody getting robbed for their clothes.

I mean, it used to go all like, you get Raphael Jordans and shit when I was growing up. Right. I probably am lucky to be from a place where nobody had any cool clothes.

Oh, damn. Maybe some starter jackets is about it. But, okay, yeah, all right, this is why I know that you guys were on some wild shit is because in one of the videos,

like real old video I was watching, the dude had a baby alligator. Oh, yeah. Or a crocodile, maybe I'm not 100% sure. That was the mob. That was with Clay. Yeah.

You tell me how that works. What is the baby alligator for? I don't know. I wasn't over there when they did that part. Oh, really? Yeah. That was on the east side, I think. Okay.

And it just had a damn baby alligator out of nowhere next to a Glock. Right. 30-round clip. So I knew this dude back in the day who was like a real drug dealer, like probably the first actual like real deal drug dealer I ever knew on my life. And I remember always hearing that when his crib got raided that they ended up finding a fucking alligator in the bathtub. and word through the grapevine ended up being like, oh, no, if somebody comes to steal their drugs,

then the alligator will attack them or something. Security guard, basically. I mean... I don't know. I ain't ever heard that. I know some dudes back in the day had a, like a lion. He used to have an ain't having a spot. Where the fuck is the line?

I've seen the picture. They had a lion in the spot. It was a bunch of, bunch of diggas around the lion. Holy shit. Yeah. I wonder if there was like a wilder. wise monkey with a walking stick. I think that was more of a flex though.

Right. I don't think it was like a security thing. It was just like, we got exotic animals over here. Right. Because, however good the exotic animal could be to like stop an invader, it's like you still have to deal with it. Like I don't know what an alligator shitting is like,

but I'm going to assume it's a whole thing. Yeah. And it might turn on you or something. You know, I don't fuck with crazy animals like that. You can't predict what they're going to do. The quality of life hit that you're going to take in your life from having a fucking alligator in one of your bathrooms is just,

got to be serious. Oh yeah. Very. Your kid goes in there, gets his hand bit off. Yeah, it's goddamn. You know, I didn't think about that. You know, you can't predict what the alligator gonna do. You might be sleeping, found his way in your bedroom, kill you or something. Right. Fuck that. Definitely. Um, okay,

so, were you guys being courted by labels at all? What you mean? Like, were the labels hollering at y'all? Did they see the value and you guys just weren't fucking with it? Yeah, the labels was hollering at us. Um, I think T.I. guy was like one of the first people to reach out.

Right. And we went with GZ. Yeah, what year was that? Man, I want to say 2012 or 13. And so you weren't thinking about signing directly to a label. You were thinking about signing up under a rapper? I mean, man, then it was just like, nope. We really ain't nobody that had a deal like that.

So the fact that we was even offered a deal, you know, on this big platform by this big artist, was crazy to us because we never seen it before. So I ain't allowed. We didn't get a fuck with that record deal said. We were taking it. Right. And people forget, though, that at that time,

if you wanted to be, like, new rappers, you really had to be represented like with an existing popular rapper or else it was, like, very hard to imagine you being able to be successful. Yeah, you needed somebody to be right there with you, like co-signing the project and kind of guiding you through it,

Because I feel like a label at that time, they probably wouldn't know what to do with us. Our sound was so new at the time and raw. And like the rest of the world, they didn't get it back then. They ain't like how it is now. Like, then they didn't get them beats and that shit. We were talking why the beats were so fast and sound like it was made in the basement and shit.

They was trying to kind of push that over. Like, get these beats. Yeah. And you definitely, I mean, okay, 42 Doug, we've seen them with Little Baby, we've seen him around future. That definitely like helps people to pay attention to them, for sure.

Like it's a great thing to have cosigns early in your career. But I mean, when you think about the vast majority of Detroit rappers, most of them, you can't really point to, like, you know, you might be able to point at someone and say, oh, they did get a feature from this dude and that helped them a lot at one point, but it's not like they have to sign to an artist. Nowadays, you could just be winning in your own lane.

Yeah. You don't even need a, you know it helped to have a major feature or major co-sign but if the city fucking with you it's just going to grow from there right if you just keep working so how much time do you actually spend with jizi before you guys sign with them though man we we flew out met him and uh shit i think we got to doing the deal right after that right so we kicked it with them a couple times probably once or twice right right it was like a i want to say like a six-month process something like that or four months

or something like that. Right. Yeah, for like a four-month process. But then once you're actually signed like how much stuff do you end up doing together? Or like... Oh, we moved to Atlanta. Right. We moved to Atlanta. We was with him every day. For how long? Man, I don't know. That shit has blurred.

It felt like it was for a couple months or something. That must be wild just because it must be weird to sign a big fucking group in general because how many members were there technically? In the rap group, it was I want to say five Okay It was me

Drey HVK Keese And then you had rock He was locked up at the time And You had Chaz Like the manager

And then we got Clay He was a singer And then we got like Featured artist That was in the camp Like Brightmo Main But it was mainly like Five rappers

Right Yeah And so during that time with Gizi and everything did it, were you all confident that this was going to go really well? Or like, what was the vibe at that time? I'm a, I'm a thinker.

So I was just analyzing everything. And I just peep how how the city kind of switched up on it. Really? It felt like that, even before you put on an official project? It was like we became a walking lick. Like, man, we, you got security guards

trying to sue us. you know people trying to blame us for everything really yeah and it was crazy so we had to really start moving different for real like like stay out the way so you're saying that people were trying to sue you or was it more of a problem that people were trying to rob you no it was like it was like a like a like a sue us type shit like if we in a bar or something and something happened you know glass get broke whatever they're gonna be old dope boys did that shit and there's so many we can sue there's so many of y'all that it's like kind of easy to blame anything on you.

Yeah. Something's going to happen with that many dudes rolling. You know, they caught a case around that time, you know, just based on some some he say she say shit, you know, with security guard. Right. Damn. So, okay. Does that, like, when does

it start to become clear that this isn't going to really work out in terms of the whole Gizi thing? I think what, it was something that went on in that building with Atlantic and GV. It ain't really

got nothing to do with us. We was just like dealing with the Detroit shit. You know, dealing with having to move different and,

you know, we just had to do a lot of adjusting, you know, a lot, because we used to being out just partying, we ain't got no security.

We did shows, I don't know how long, hell of jury on no security, no, none of that shit. Now we've got to have security.

You know, we got control to people around us more. You know, we just had to tighten up all the way. Right. And did that,

kind of make it a little less fun? Y'all, that was a fun time. Don't lie. That was a fun time. Right. But it became more business. Were you happy during the time in Atlanta? Like, was, or did it feel kind of different?

I loved being in Atlanta because it was from, it was away from Detroit. Right. Just that alone was like. You're so much less known. It's easier to be. It was a peace of mind. You know, you could focus on the music and, you know,

it wasn't like, I don't know, it's just something about Detroit. It might be everybody at their hometown. You just land in Detroit. You just start feeling some stress on you. Man, back at this, my phone. But I think it's everybody in their whole time. You hear that all the time. People move from Chicago to Atlanta, and it's just like, oh, like, okay.

All of a sudden, not everybody knows who I am. Atlanta was beautiful, man. You know, they opened their arms up to us, and it was all love. We loved it out there. Definitely. Okay, so, okay, I was watching another interview that you did where you said that at one point you bought a crack house. I bought a crack house

Yeah and you said it didn't work out good What was that? Actually no you said you bought a house But it was kind of inferred That you were selling drugs out of the house And it just didn't work out Uh I don't know

Okay did you ever buy a house? Yeah Like early on I bought a house Yeah Yeah Yeah I bought a career And so it would be wrong

To refer to it I didn't know crack house I wasn't yeah I wasn't selling I think when I did my notes I thought that I was going to remember To tell the whole story Of like you buying the house

and just trying to get information about how it went bad, but instead of, I just wrote crapos. It wasn't nothing like that. Oh, no. I was fully rapper mode by the year. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm thinking that this was like before all that. Oh, no, no.

Yeah. Okay. I was buying jeans and gym shoes and shit. Right. So it wasn't, so it was in kind of the middle of all this, all this like hype from the GZ situation that you guys ended up having this beef with Team Isa? I mean, we really, we really,

never even had no beef for real. I heard it was a chain snatching that kind of sparked things off, right? No, it was really the city kind of created that shit. Right. The city kind of was like, ooh, from east side, off the west side. Ooh, you know, just creating just tension.

You know what I'm saying? I've been fucking with Peasy and Snoop, you know, rest of peace, Snoop. I've been fucking with them. So it never was no problems, but if the city is like going over there saying, ooh, you heard what you said on this song where he said, ooh, and they're coming over here, You heard what they said.

Right. It's going to be some tension. I mean, it's still like that to this day, but it's with, like, the Instagram live comments. Right. You could be totally cool with somebody, but the comments sometimes just completely. I mean, you can't let people get in your ear with dumb shit. People love to see some dump shit go on.

Right. You just can't really feed into it for real. Yeah. You know, but that, that come with just the rap shit. Like, if it's something right here, then this is what's going on. They're going to want something else. Right. You know, it's just part of the game.

But it was interesting hearing about it because there's so many people and there's so many moving pieces involved that I was seeing that Vezzo was saying in a Vlad interview that you and him actually were on good terms like way before it formally got squashed, right? But it was just kind of like awkward because you couldn't be public about the fact that y'all were cool. I mean, I knew I met Vez probably like back in, man, oh shit, 07, something like that. My man's, uh, we had brought him to my crib. because Beez was rapping like way back in the day. Right. Like he's been rapping. But, um, I mean, when the, when the shit was going on, it was just like, of course,

you're over here. So, you know, you can't be over there. Oh, I see it with L.A. rappers all the time. Yeah, you know, you got to, you got to stay with your people. I know people who buddy, buddy when they're in the early 20s and then by the end of their 20s, it's just they, they, they don't even have an issue with each other, but they can't be around each other because of, yeah, just, and that's out of respect for you. people.

Yeah. Because it don't look good for you to be over here just buddy, buddy with these dudes and these dudes at odds, you know. You know, now that just don't look good. Okay. But it must have been kind of weird because, like, the city is talking about this beef and stuff, but it's not really being documented on YouTube and shit too crazy, or was it at the time?

No, that was before the YouTube documentary shit when they covered the beef. Right. Yeah. But I ain't a lot. Like, we really ain't go to the internet with none of that. You know, they didn't either. You know what I'm saying? That's one, that's something I really respect about them, too. Like, they kept that in the streets.

Right. You know what I'm so. Nobody really ended up talking about it that much until it was over? Yeah, like, nah, we laugh about this. Right. You know, it is what it is. We got past it. Mm, definitely.

So, I was watching in that same interview with Vezzo that I was watching where he was talking about the history of that little beef and everything. I saw that he was saying some critical things about Eminem for the way that he, maybe didn't necessarily put on as many artists as he could have out of Detroit early on. Would you say you were in agreement with that or do you consider that to be kind of his business? With Eminem?

Yeah. I don't know. That's his business, man. I don't know. Right. Like, Eminel, I fuck with Eminem growing up. You know, like he had everybody proud, you know what I'm saying? Like, damn, he's from the deep. He was going. He was with Dr.

D. You know what I'm saying? So I ain't, I ain't looking at like he's supposed to put his own though. Right. I mean, it's kind of weird because it's like, let's say you're the biggest fucking rapper in the world next year. It's like, you know,

nobody's going to really expect you to put on anybody besides your friends, right? Like, your homies. Like, nobody's going to be like, oh, every new dope artist out of Detroit has to get co-signed by you. I mean, it's down there impossible to do that. Yeah, yeah.

But I get what he's saying, like, he's saying, like, you know, hop on a song or something like that. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's really insane. I think they just twisted his words.

But like how many, how many new Chicago artists is Chief Keefe hopping on songs with? The ones who pay him. Like, it's just nobody expects that of Chief Keeb, even though he's kind of like to Chicago in a way. He's almost like the M&M to Detroit, you know, like at least... Chief Keev embraces a lot of rappers in Detroit, too. Right. A whole lot of rappers. Who?

He came and like snatched up a bunch of them. Oh, he was fucking with Snap Dog for a while. Yeah, yeah, Jordan, you know, free. Jay-A-Jordan, wine-ass cheeks. A lot of them. Right. Yeah.

I don't know. It is weird to think about because he's done a bunch of, like, moments where he put songs together, like a couple moments where he put a bunch of artists from Detroit together on one song. He's done that a few different times in his career. But I don't know.

It's like, it's kind of like with Eminem, people just wouldn't be happy unless he just really goes all in on the whole city, I feel like. I think people just want to be acknowledged by him. Yeah. You know. Like, I want to feel like he's just like, I see you. I see you over there doing your thing.

That would mean a lot, you know. I don't feel like he owes. When he doesn't acknowledge a rapper from Detroit who's popping off, though, it kind of makes you wonder, like, I wonder if he thinks they're good. I wonder if he thinks they're not good. And maybe that's why he's not tapping in. We like him. Maybe Eminem knows better.

Because, I mean, the way Eminem raps, it is kind of easy to imagine he wouldn't be impressed by a lot of current rappers, right? I mean, even though he hell of lyrical, you still can like appreciate a different type of music. Right. You know, just because you have a lyrical now, you don't appreciate, you know,

somebody that's doing some singing. But who knows? Maybe he doesn't. Because like, he might not know. He might be like, hey, man, I got to step your bars up. I don't know. All these steel drum beats.

I know I can't fuck with Eminem and them. Like, shit, I can't, I can't get out of the song up and keep up with him. I got the most, I'm staying my lane, though. I mean, I got the most respect for him and I grew up listening to him all throughout high school and shit but realistically have i been a an m&m listener for like 10 years no it's just you know he's kind of gone in a different direction music wise my my older heads was listening to

emm and he first came out like with the dr dr j shit because it was just because he was from detroit you know that people was hype about that shit it's actually weird to even think about that time period where he was just like another rapper yeah yeah and people people's fucking with a shit but you know then you got blade icewood and street lord that That was really who he came to, like, on some, put us on, you know. Like, that's really, you know, if we're going to come to anybody, it would be them. You ever see ICPN out and about? Insane Clown Pous.

No, I've never seen them out. You ever have beef with the juggalo's? Nah, I want them beef with them. They look serious, bad. Real talk, though? I heard they, like, loaded. They rich off independent shit. But also the juggaloes are considered an official game.

by the FBI. Oh, wow. I know that. Yeah. And ICP has, like, sued and really tried to get that designation removed because I guess that it's bad business for them to, like, have the shit. Yeah, he probably got people just dropping sponsors and shit and not want to do business with you.

Yeah. If your fans are a gang, it's got to. Yeah. Oh, man. But, like, okay, where I grew up, there was this other town called Keene, like, an hour north of where I lived, and it was, like, a college there and everything. And I remember I went when I was, like, towards the end of high school, my mom made me go to a fucking meeting there or whatever, like, a tour.

to see if I wanted to go to college there, didn't do it. But when I was up there, they told me that there was a gang war between the jocks and the juggalo's. In the town. I'm not sure. I think it was like an ongoing war.

So, I mean, in that sense, I guess it is a real gang. Like, if people take it and use it as a gang, it's a gang, right? Oh, man. I don't know. I don't want to say that about no gang. I'm just saying, like, if a thousand people worldwide

start banging no jumper and just going and killing people under the name of no jumper it's out of my hands like but then you ain't the leader no yeah definitely not but they would be like you're the leader that hopefully the FBI would be able to acknowledge that like you're not the leader you're not the leader you started that shit yeah because I'll figure your way out of it because what's going to happen otherwise that the FBI is going to have to say like now we got to call this gang something else we can't call it the jugglers we got to call it something else because it would be unfair to iCP to call it the juggles i don't think they give a fuck i heard iSP in a minute

man well one of one of them's actually like not doing the best health-wise so they decided that they're going to fall back on touring and only tour a little bit now do do some festivals shit like that i think okay yeah last time i heard iCP they was like it was a while ago and they're getting older doing something with three six mafia i think a while ago yeah like when i sit down with them it's kind of like fuck like you guys are kind of getting to that point career-wise where but you know they got their own lane they don't they do they got a cold follow they got a cold follow But it's more like just physically, like, you know, once you get well into your 50s and shit, it's like you might not really be dying or be on tour like the way that you used to, you know?

Shit, I'm already like getting sick of that shit. Yeah? I can imagine it in your 50s. Yeah, you get older and just get grumpy and you don't want to be doing that. I'm already trying to, my exit, my CEO exit. Hmm. Yeah. Because like I used to be down to go anywhere, traveling-wise.

And now it's kind of like, no. I will go if I have to And if the money makes sense Yeah like shit I'm tired of here right now First off the plane man You don't do energy drinks or coffee or anything Coffee

Yeah But these flights to Atlanta All the long as hell Yeah It's like five hours from Detroit Yeah Yeah You should be

You're in the different times On your lane You just be tired You need like a day to rest Then get up See I heard that from a lot of people Fly in the day before

Have a chill day And then start your work The next day But for most of us We can't really Yeah, I'm fresh off playing in, and it was snowing before I got here. I had to do two miles an hour on the way to the airport.

Really? It was fucking. You missed the hail storms out here a couple days ago, or maybe a week ago. Hellstorms out here? Hellstorms. Very rare. Damn.

That's crazy. And even like an hour north, they got straight up snow. My sister-in-law's house, five fucking feet of snow in her. Did the whole city shut down? It was mostly like a ton of rain. So that, like, the rain is what,

You know, it never really gets cold enough here for it to like snow, snow. It was just like hail for like five minutes. Man, when I first moved to Atlanta, it snow, like that first day I got there and the whole city shutdown. It wasn't, it probably wasn't even an inch of snow. The whole city shutdowns, crashes, people getting injured, all type of shit. Yeah, because I grew up with the snow everywhere, and it didn't stop us from doing much. Like, it could be three feet of snow out there.

They shovel the shit. They fucking, they plow. And we're outside. We're doing whatever we're going. You got to do. Man, that shit is normal. You might be driving 5, 10 miles per hour, but. We just had like 6, 7 inches, like 3 days ago.

Right. Just out the blue. It was 50 degrees the day before. That's good weather. Yeah. And then out of nowhere, six, seven inches. But in L.A., it's more of the fact that there's so many parts of the city that aren't set up for, like, the rain and shit.

So a little bit of rain can just fuck shit up. You see that flood and all that shit. I see people's houses flood, like, like, in my fucking neighborhood. My house flooded, like, this year from the rain. Damn. Just because of like some weird drainage. Yeah, I be wanting to move out here, but then I get to thinking about your weather. I'd be like, I don't know about that.

Man, it's nice. Every day, this is pretty fucking similar weather-wise, you know? Every time I'm out my hair is cool. I mean, you have the outrageously hot summers, but then you have like, I mean, it's kind of cold in the winter, but not really. It's definitely not. I've been out of years. It ain't cold to me. Like, would you consider today cold?

It's breezy. But it's not like, like, the way. was a week a week ago was like actually pretty fucking cold like waking up in the morning and it's like 45 degrees 50 degrees out that's cold I mean for us yes we we're at her about the barbecue we're happy as hell

I don't know though I feel like it kind of hits different like a weird chill to it it is it is a colder 45 50 than our season yeah yeah yeah because on the east coast you don't even need a hoodie if it's 50 no right um

okay I saw um that when Peezy was talking about the too quick video that he said that that was y'all first time being around each other and that it was almost kind of awkward because you didn't really talk to each other during the video like the beef had been formally squashed and everything but that there was just sort of like a weird tension in there

some tension you know it was like little shit set up you know it was just a little tension you got like both both crews in there right and you never know how his man's feel how my man's feel, regardless of how I feel, how he feels. These two might be like, fuck that. Yeah, you know, so.

Always the homies are going to get you fucked up in that situation. You got to have that in mind. It was a successful shoot, you know. He had a ball, drunk some, drunk some champagne. You think the city was, like, really excited to see y'all on the same page there? That video's got like 10 million views, so apparently something worked. That's one of the songs I performed. Mm-hmm.

You know, no, they most definitely embrace. that he loved it. Right. So I was seeing some quotes that T. Grizzly said that you're the reason that he raps. I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, like, how's it feeling

to know that you could have that big an impact on somebody who's gone so far? It's a blessing. You know, it's a blessing. He told me a story about when I was, like, at a club on Joy Road, and I had, like, the Rolex song and getting out this car.

You know, you don't be thinking about it like that in real time, you know, that somebody is looking. I didn't know he was out there. You know what I'm saying? Like, and to see what he became is crazy. Because, like, I know where he's from. Like, the neighborhood he's from.

For him to become what he became and coming from over there, it's, you know, that's success for real. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Have you heard about his GTA venture? Yeah, yeah. That shit looked fun, man. It's kind of played out interview question at this point,

but I'm going to risk it. Like, I don't know. That was pretty wild to say, like, Oh, like you're a rapper and you could be making serious fucking money doing some shit like this that I never even knew was a thing? Yeah, I want to get my son on that, man. I'll get my son on that. What about a less violent video game?

That's boring as hell. Somebody played a less violent video game. So you were playing Grand Theft Auto growing up? I actually did, but like... The one overlooking... Yes. Like with the little person, that was the first one I played. It was like 98.

I didn't even think you were going to know about it. But yeah, like 98, we had Grand Theft Auto on the computer. and it definitely wasn't anywhere near as good as people seemed to think the newer version. It didn't get like that until three, I think. Right. Like two was in London, and one was Liberty City.

And I remember I used to have to bring my mom up there to get the game. And they banned it. And the game had got scratched up so I couldn't play it no more. I thought it was over. Right. And they came back out with it.

Yeah, that game was a shit. That was the first of its kind. Yeah. Steel cars and shit and shoot people. It's weird. It's weird that that is the same game that, like, my friends were playing it, like, 10 years ago. And they haven't even upgraded it, huh? They really don't need to.

They need to. I think they've been working on it. I ain't played it in a long time, though. I don't lie. But the shit, I see T. Grizzling doing, that shit looked fun. Because that's the crazy part is that they've breathed new life into it by just playing the game in a totally different way than people expect it and creating these servers where people can go. See, that's where I get confused. Like, how is y'all doing this shit?

So it's like, I believe the way it works. Like T. Grizzly has his own fucking world in there. And so you could go play with him and you could be involved in all this kind of shit and everything. But in order to play, you've got to pay a small amount, $10 a month or some shit to be part of this. And so he gets the vast majority of that money. I believe that that's how it works. That's cold. Yeah.

That's cold. My favorite thing is when a bunch of different rappers have been doing the role-playing shit on there where they're pretending to be other gangsters. and then they start saying things like dissing that person's enemies and stuff like Almighty J. God and Charler for saying he was smoking Tuka in the game. Oh, wow. And like, I mean, it's kind of weird that he was like acting.

He was playing a role. And then he's like getting canceled and he's got GD saying they're going to kill him and shit. Oh, man. God damn. Yeah, it's messy. No one just, just play the game. Oh, fuck this up.

But that's human beings right there. Like, look how we could take it. something kind of simple like this game. You got to be careful what you say, man. And how you said, you got to be careful, man. People take offense to a lot of shit. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. So you, Cardo, YG, and GZ were doing a group at one point. Yeah. What year was that? And why did this not happen? I want to say that was like 16 or 15 or something like that. Okay. Yeah.

So after things didn't really work out with Do Boy Cash. Yeah. Yeah, that was, I flew out there with a Cardo. I didn't know what we was doing. We was like a group. I think it was called Paid and Fool or something like that. We made a hard-ass album. I don't know what happened to it, though.

It's just like got scrapped. That's get to the worst part about being a rapper is that you could just work so hard on a project and have it never come out on her. Yeah, that shit was hard, man. We had Warren G. Making beats on there. We had DJ Quick beats on there.

We had Das Dillinger beats. I mean, 2015, YG's already a big deal by that point, too. Yeah, yeah, YG was big when we came into the picture. You know, it was us and YG and Muster. Right. And YG and Muster was already killing shit. Right. Damn.

That's crazy. I wish there was a statute of limitations where you could kind of drop that shit, like, many years after. You know? That's on somebody hard drive. Yeah. That's what we have to get it, and we have to leak it. I love to. I ain't got made them much.

off of it. I just want the world to hear it. Right. So where, where's your head at in terms of music at this point? Like, what keeps you motivated and actually makes you really want to keep going with it and keep pursuing? Man, for me, it's like the fans, you know, like the fans

they see me out, they just show me hell of love and like, man, you motivated me, man, you are the reason why I stopped doing this, why I don't marry my wife, why I take better care, my kids. Your music made someone marry their wife? Yeah, it was a dude ran up on me at the show,

and he's like, man, I married my wife, man, because of you and he showed me his wife and all that. I was like, damn. Wow. That's not really the message I got from your music. Made me really want to sell drugs, shoot somebody. No, man, hell no. I don't, I don't. Not like indiscriminately shoot somebody, but like, you know, maybe if they have it coming. No, I, you know, get money, but get money and stay out of the way. You know, get money, stay out of the way, take care of your. But you can only really, like, get money and stay out the way once you're an older rapper. When you're younger, you're really expected to be up in the mix, right?

You can stay out the way when you young. Because I was, I was staying out the way. Now, when I was, like, 18, 19, you had to do dumb shit. Your homeboy called you, like, we're about to go to this party, man, and the one niggas in there. You know, we ain't got no guns. They might have got guns. We're going to go. Right.

You got to go. The lesson that we all learn later in life, which is basically like stay out the way, be in the crib, don't be out at every function, every party, et cetera. Like everybody seems to learn that pretty much by the time they're like 40. But when you're 18, there is no way

to convince a young person. Yeah, you can't, you can't be out of the way. They want to be outside. You know, like, because you know in your mind, this shit is stupid. Why am I about to go do this shit? But you've got to go. Yeah.

You got to go. But I feel like me at 20s, if you get money, you know, you can kind of fall back a little bit. Right. You know, like, man, I ain't going to that stupid shit. Like, I'm chilling, dude. Got my little boy over here. I'm chilling with my girl. Right.

You can kind of start falling back. But it depends on the type of person you is and who you around. Right. You know? Because I know some people who are in their 40s, 50s. They still love to be in the club. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm past that personally. Like, I just don't really... I've been past that shit, that club shit. You know, like, I'm straight, man. I ain't, there ain't nothing in there for me unless it's a walkthrough or perform. Right. I ain't trying to hang out in the fucking club

and show everybody I'm getting money and pop bottles and all that shit. Yeah. Hell no. I mean, like, part of the reason why I don't like going to club is because it's just me having to kind of do this, like, popular guy thing.

I gotta just talk to everybody. You probably bothering this shit out of you. Exactly. And it's just kind of annoying, And I don't really like, like, what I want to do at night is just chill out and get ready for the next day. Exactly. And not be in this place where I'm getting all this attention and I'm having to talk to five million fucking people. And you feel drained afterwards.

It's going to make me drain for the next day. And I know that I'm going to do a better job the next day doing interviews or whatever if I fucking relax at night. But I, like, I just think of this one time I went to the club to meet Gucci Man and live in Miami. And it's like, bro, I've seen Jamie Fox in there, Shaq, Guy Fierry, all these motherfuck. fucking famous people that are in there. And I'm just thinking on my head, I'm like, these people are all a million times more famous than me. And they're having the time of their life.

They're so happy to be in the club. And I'm like, maybe that's like part of why they are where they're at in their life is that they want this. They want to be out in front of the people and mingling and having these conversations and shit. Maybe that's just kind of, I'm a different type of person. I don't necessarily like that. I think you got to, you got to pop out here and there.

Yeah. And it got to make sense. You know, like a certain event, you know, you might pop out, you know, get your shit on, make your presence be known when you get up out of there. But just being in the club every fucking weekend, like standing on the couch and all that shit, you really watering yourself down. Yeah. I find that so depressing.

Yeah, you watering yourself down. It's not a treat to see Adam no more. He's going to be at this shit every Friday, man. What the fuck I'm going to care about seeing him for? Even if I had anything going on when I was going to the bar and shit, if you would just, I'll go to the bar five times in a week and just be like, man, this is depressing. This shit sucks.

You can feel in your soul. Like this is wack. I'm just doing the same thing over and over. What am I going to do? I'm going to die here? I'm just going to do this forever. You can feel it when you ain't supposed to be doing something. That's when you just got to switch your shit up.

I mean, I ain't going to that shit no more. I ain't talking to this motherfucker no more. All this motherfucker want to do is have me go to the bar and spend my money. You know, you got to cut all that shit out. Yeah. Definitely. And if your people can't really get in their feelings about it, you know, you doing what's best for you. Right.

So what do you focus on at this point in your life? Like, what are the things that you find bring you the most meaning? My kid. How many now? I got a son and the daughter. What age is? My daughter, five, my son 12. He just dropped the song, Juju, the boss.

Wow. Yeah. That's far. He's been around us since he was born, you know, like just hit the Do Boy videos. just soaking it all up. How much of you taught him about rapping or is he just figured out on his own? I always used to put him in studio just playing around.

So he just like natural, naturally good at it. He knows what to do in front of a camera all that. I just always kept him. He was like a little mini-meet. You know, like if I got a chain on and braids, he got a chain and braids. You know, he was soaking that shit up growing up.

Right. So, but at this point, he's 12. So it's kind of like he's in this weird, between stage where he's not quite a man, but he's not a little boy. Yeah, like, even with the rap, he don't, he don't really care about rapping. You know, I push him to do it. Oh, okay. So you're kind of helping.

I'm just in his ear, like, you know, just trying to create different things for him. But right now, he's all about girls and his friend. That's all he want to do. You play video games? Oh, yeah, he's heavy in video games. What's he for? On that damn Snapchat. Oh, he's on that too?

Yeah. See, that's a scary social level for a kid to have. because they can just send the shit so that you can't see the record of it. It just be, what are y'all doing on that shit? I mean, you know, I was 12 before, so I can only imagine. I've had a lot of people tell me that their kids will just move the conversation to Snapchat, like real early on, like, you know, my friends who have, like, kids who are old enough to have phones and Snapchat and stuff, that they'll, they'll just, like,

if they start talking to somebody on Instagram, they move that shit to Snapchat super fast, because they don't want there to be a record. And I'm like, that is fucking terrifying that these kids are that smart and that they're thinking about that kind of shit. Because I'm not even that smart now. Like, fucking, you know, that would never occur to me. Yeah.

But I ain't going to lie. He'd be getting in trouble for stuff on Snapchat. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Somebody be screen, shot, and something. Really? Yeah. Might be in person.

They, you know, you all type of dumb shit. Damn, in person, I know. Yeah. That's scary. Okay, in terms of what you have come in, are you doing interviews right now, like, because of any particular project that's dropping soon? I just dropped this project called Ghost Mode, you know, to disappear and get money type music, you know. Okay. They focused on your goals, stay out the way type of music.

Right. So I'm just doing interviews, you know, just to open up, man, get out my comfort zone. Right. I don't fuck with interviews like that. You know? No. I never did it for real. Really? Yeah.

Just a different time that you come from where they weren't thought of as crucial? I don't know. Nowadays, it's like interviews to be so messy. Yeah. You know, I don't be going to be calling that trick bag. Yeah. Well, I was just saying this on my other podcast, but yeah, like sometimes now when people invite me to do an interview, I'm just like, oh, I can already tell every dumb fucking thing they're going to ask me.

You know, it's like all shit I talked about before. And I'm just like, I'm really going to do it. And I kind of feel bad because I used to really like doing smaller podcasts and stuff. And then as I get a little bit older, I'm more like, I don't really want to just be going and blabbing on smaller platforms when I know y'all are just going to try to go viral by asking me some crazy shit that I already talked about. They're going to make that the title. Yeah, probably going to have to do that for this one.

Oh, man. I ain't say nothing crazy. Yeah, so we're really going to have to. stretching. You got to remix it. But, you know, I come from a group, you know what I'm saying? So I never, I enjoyed being in a group because I can kind of do my thing and like fall back.

It wasn't like about me. And, you know, I just, I don't know, something about the spotlight. I think that kind of says something about where we're at culturally now that there are so a few groups. It's like, damn there are no groups. It's not what it used to be. And that's why the Migos breakup really kind of stung. It was because it was like, damn,

that was kind of like the last great group, even though it was only three dudes. Yeah, we came out when the Migos had first came out. We got some of Jeezy Migos coming out. It came to the Faschi. Right. And shit just took off like crazy. Yeah.

So, you know, some of the producers we were working to be like, y'all need to wrap off this shit like the Migos. Really? Like, come on. Yeah. Oh, man. There were a lot of records like that, though. Oh, yeah.

At that time, like, a lot of people rapping like the Migos. Because they dominated when they. came in. I don't know if you know who Math Hoff is, but he's like a dude from New York, battle rapper and everything. And he said to me when we were doing interviews, like,

I had mad Kid Cuddy style songs. Like, I did Kid Cuddy style songs because Kid Cuddy was like the popping shit at the time. And it's hard for me to remember like, oh, you're like a real New York rapper and you fucking were kind of doing Kid Cuddy style songs because Kid Cuddy was so popular at the time. Yeah, but that's really the thing is that

he didn't have to admit that. You know, like he had like a little whack chapter in his catalog. He didn't, You didn't have to bring it up. But you know, you're trying to figure out different things and you get that one hit. That's all you need. And it might be something that's out your element, you know.

But if it comes off like you're just being creative and imaginative and coming up with cool shit, the fans might fuck with it. But if it comes off like, oh, he just copied like the popping rapper right now. The fans might never forgive you. You could fuck yourself up too. If you do drop a song and you're not being you, you're trying to, you know, do whatever's going on. And now they want that from you all the time. And you don't even know what to come with no more. Well, I know so many drill rappers that just basically I can tell that they feel stuck in this box

where they can only rap about shooting and who got killed and yada yada. That's what the people want. You're like, I got to keep on coming with this shit. And if they drop a love song, they're going to get, you know, 20% of the views and they're going to see it. And their brain's going to be like, oh, fuck, I got to kill somebody on the next song so that I can get some views. Yeah, well, I'm glad I, like, my fans fuck with me for being me. I ain't got to talk some dumb shit that I was on 10 years ago because that's what worked.

Now I didn't grew up in something different and I still got to preach this dumb shit. I'm glad they fuck with exactly who I am. That's real. That's probably a good note to end it on. Yeah, that was a nice ending. Make that the headline. All right, all right.

Just a quote, yeah. Anybody you want to thank? Anything we should be looking out for? Um, even ghost mold in stores. Well, not in stores. Apple Music. Right. That's the store.

In store. Yeah. Ghost mode out now. Let me see. Shout out to the old Do Boys Cash out. Overlord, Scoge, Big Keys, HBK, Dre, Clay Baby. I don't know. Got some movies coming.

What kind of movies? Independent films. You know, I got my own film company. That's dope. About to collab with a... I ain't going to speak all that. I'm going to keep that on the crap. All right.

Yeah. Go up. Let's do it. Yeah. Payroll. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you for having. Much love.

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