No Jumper - Prince Dre on O Block, Making "Back Again" with King Von & Durk, Inventing "On Fo Nem" & More

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Prince Dre talks about his relationship with King Von, Lil Durk, Lil Reese, A$AP Yams, his distaste for Youtube documentaries about Chicago and O Block, and more. ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcasts on the world. And today, we got a young O'Block legend. Prince Drey in the building. How you feeling, man? Oh, good, boss. I'm screaming, get back. Yeah, man, it's good to have you on here. I feel like you've got an important history,

and you can fill us in on a lot of details about some crazy you've been around for and all that. All right. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about where you were born and what your childhood was like? I was born in Woodline. That's part of O Block, but it's probably like F-G-N-O-B-G-K-K,

okay. T-Y-M-B, 7, that we all in the same neighborhood. I was really born in the neighborhood, but I ain't stayed. I wasn't born in O-block. Okay. I just moved in O-block. At what age? Like, I think, like 12, like 11 or some shit.

Okay, so at 11 you move over there. life like before that though? It was still busing because I was still in the hood. Right, you were just like right over there? Yeah, I was still over there. Okay. But I just went in the old block. You see some crazy shit.

You see some crazy shit happening when you were a kid or? What? I seen him. Wild ass shit. I said, come up the block when they, he popped out of the car. I think he's as dead though.

He shot up a crib. I was probably like, I don't know, I probably like nine. And you just see him shoot a, up a crib and you're a kid and you don't even know that this is something that people do no i knew i knew i knew that was sick you know about drive-bys and whatnot but did you do you know who lived in the house yeah i knew who lived and like what went through your head as a nine-year-old as far as

you can remember another day so that was some regular shit it was shootings all the time i crib got shot up a couple times when we stayed like on sunny first like they intended to shoot up your crib Yeah, they did. Why would they do that? What kind of shit are you into? I'm assuming you weren't into shit as like a nine-year-old or whatever, but was your parents into some stuff?

Yeah, my whole family ganges. Really? Yeah. And did they tell you about that at a certain point? Or... That situation, no, it wasn't. It just... Some shit that happened to my people.

And I guess they figured out, like, damn, their people stay right up. Okay. They did that. I was younger. I probably like eight around that. But do you remember how your parents tried to, like, make sense of that to you? Did they try to explain to you why someone would do that,

or did they just act like it was just something really random that just took place? I was getting that nosy as hell, you know? So I just hearing what they were saying, but they ain't tell me that like that. Really? Yeah. Your parents are BDs? No. My parents are gangsters.

Really? Both of them. Your parents were both GEDES? Yeah. Wow. And so when you moved to O Block, was that a thing? What? That they, no, no, no.

See, my dad, he was in jail for murder. Mm-hmm. I was with my dad at life, but then I went with him a lot when he got booked. At what age were you when he went away? I was probably like, around like 12, 11. And? Like my high. high school days.

He got out later. Really? So you know about the situation that took place that got him locked up? Nah. You never talked to you about it? Nah. Damn. But did it seem surprising to you as a kid, or was it not that shocking?

I ain't going to lie. I ain't, I ain't know what the fuck he was booked for. I used to be calling. I'm like, this ain't the answer. My man never said, like, he didn't hear for this. Then he called when they're in jail. It was later on in life when I found out what he was in jail for. How many years did he do?

I beat that bitching. I had nothing on her, no, no shit like that. So he beat it? They just put something on him. Yeah, you beat it. Wow, okay. When you moved to Oblock, was there like a reason? Was your parents going through any kind of changes in their life or anything?

I don't know. I'm going to move there. It was just another place to live. Yeah. It was just, she moved there. Yeah, and what was it like when you moved there? Was it different? Because O blocks is like majority of BDhood,

and if you said everybody that you was dealing with. Everywhere we lived was BD's, so I just adapted to everywhere we live. I ain't follow my mom in though. But I did. Every block we lived though was BD. It was a BD block? Yeah, everybody.

I seen a clip where F.B.G. Young said that y'all was like friends and stuff, he said that you flipped from GD to BD. Nah, I've never been GD. You seen me? You know you've seen that though, right? I said I did, you did grow up with young and shit. They're gonna lie. Mostly everybody you know was cool from wherever they're from.

Like with Reese and them from, it was some of the ops. They from there too. So all us grew up together, went to school with each other. And it was all good until when, like 2011 type time period? I ain't gonna like me and young. I start rock with him because my best. Yeah, it was a friend. Trying to stay like right.

He can, uh, my, my homie had died. He had got killed. Yeah. So, you know, Young was over there, but I was, I was in O Block. My homie, he was in O Block, but he was on the other side, too. Well, like on T-YMB, and I was going over there with him. So when he died, young fell into that. He was letting his people disrespect him.

Like, damn. It's your homie, too. But at the time, I guess folks were just, just where he is. So I just, I ain't, I ain't never had no problem. I just, like, nah. Just fell back off on him. So that's when you stopped communicating with Young? Yeah.

Okay. So once you moved into Oblock, though, what was your perspective on it in terms of how different it was? Was it crazier than the places you had lived before? It was the same. That bitch was busing, but it was the same. Right. Was everybody just hanging out outside?

Yeah. What year was this that you moved there? It was probably like 20, 2000. It was right around right after TyWI died, right before TyW died. So it was like 2008. Okay. So who's TY? TY.

He was from the Hood. Yeah. TY and B. I heard of. Y'all know TY. All right. So this is, TY was from TY and B. Yeah.

I went to school with all alone. I used to be around. Courtney and Cortez. Yeah, Faye Faye. Yeah, I used to be with them too. I grew up with them too. All right, for sure. Okay.

So you moved there, and then what kind of stuff were you into at that young age? You're getting in trouble a lot, or you were just chilling? I ain't got out of I was chilling. I always be chilling. You seem pretty chill. Everybody fuck with me. You don't be hearing no fuck shit on me, man, because I don't be. I ain't

feeling rar-r-r-r-witch just don't fuck with me ain't gonna fuck with you Who was outside An oblock at that time Or like who was the The people that were really popular In the area

That people at home might know Shit like OD Top was outside All the ones you know They was outside Big A That's my cousin Dizzle

Every All the guys Jay Money T-Roy Vaughn, but Vaughn wasn't, he was like back of four. In jail? Yeah. Now, around that time when I first came, he was like in Killer Ward,

and he was back over him, but he still stayed on the block. So you and Big A was actually like cousins? Yeah, that's my cousin. Oh, really? So, do you remember when OD got killed and what that was all like? Yeah, I was around when O got killed. You were like directly there? Yeah.

I wasn't, I was right there. I just wasn't next to him. He got killed out the gate. I was inside the gate. Really? Yeah. And it was just somebody driving by? I ain't gonna lie.

I don't remember like, there wasn't nobody driving by. Somebody just came to the cut. Right. So you remember when like everybody kind of made the decision to change the name? Yeah, it should happen right there. We was getting that O-E-N. Getting that O Block. It was all right there.

That same day? Probably like, no, not the same day. Niggas ain't thinking, man, we're for the name this bitch of Block. So, all right, can you walk us through that day? Because, like, OD plays a big part of it, and it becoming O Block. So, like, what was that day like for everybody when OD does? Man, that bitch felt crazy. That was shit.

That was really, like, one of the, that was one of the first losses. It lost Keita, but she ain't died from no gunshots, no shit like that. So that was really like a big-ass-loss for us. Around that time, that shit was sad. It was late night. Oh, so it was a late night time? Yeah. It's like around the time when, like, we had these security,

they ain't really want us on the block and shit. Like, if you ain't lived there, you ain't no resident. But niggas from her, they was kicking nigs out the block. So around this time, they was on that fuck shit, kicking nicks out the block. folks was on the bike and shit. Right. When I went to O'Block, I seen the security,

and I was like, oh, that's dope. They got security. I was like, the one-sat of security since then. Then I was kind of looking at the security thinking, like, what the fuck are they going to do, really?

Like, they're not really, like, like, it's not like the kind of security that you used to, like, a rapper having. It's just some random guy. Yeah, they're just standing in a booth. I'm sure they're cool, but they're not exactly intimidating. Like, y'all got relationships with someone in security.

Like, they know what's going on type shit. So, like, y'all cool with them or it's just like, nah, they're just the security for the O'block. It's a security for the neighborhood. They seemed to a little too cool, if you ask me. They looked like they were just hanging out. I don't know. Must be getting paid fucking a lot of money to be security for O'Block, right? I don't know.

It got to be, right? All right. All right. All right. So you mentioned Kita, though, because the key to somebody that I hear, everyone, like, she seemed like she got a lot of love from everybody out from, I think, T. Roy used to talk about her, a tweet about her, Jay Money. So, like, who was Keita? And, like, what was the relationship she had with?

Keita, that was, like, Newop and Joey, that's their sister. And they got another brother named Devon. That's their sister, she just from the block. She just was somebody that originated from her that everybody knows. So when she died, she hurt everybody because that's somebody they're seeing. How did she die, though? It wasn't gun violence, man. No, no gun violence.

some national college. So you saw when Sosa started blowing up, that kind of changed the whole area? Yeah, I was around when Sosos was blowing up. When he blew up, man, that bitch was bossing. Really? What was the change? And it was bad and good.

Right. The good was like this round time, Instagram coming out. So everybody want to know, who the fuck is this? Who is this? Who is this? So they look into all us.

But the bad was when Keith come, there's going to be a hundred million police come out. Really? You got to watch that, uh, balls top and dirt. They got a video and you'll see that shit how they used to come out. Right. So the thing that happened then was more a problem with the cops and not like enemies coming through? That was busting. It was busting both ways.

Every day it was sick. So is that kind of weird for you to be like, oh, damn. and people care about me all of a sudden just because I live here. I ain't know that shit was crazy. Because really we wasn't looking at it like no trying to see like it wasn't nothing we was just doing.

That was something Keith was doing. He was rapping. That's something he wanted. For me, I was rapping, but I was just playing. Then when I seen Keith, I just took that shit serious. So you were rapping all the way back when he first popped out. Yeah, because it's early on, like from all the O'Block rappers, it seemed like you, Sosa, and Ballstock were like the main three early rappers.

It's other rappers like Ron Taylor, Gooch. But other than that, we was like... That was the main three. That was getting the recognition and stuff. So where do you think a lot of that influence came from? Because I think I seen one time where Waka Flocka came in Y'all Hood and stuff. So he was a big influence. on what y'all had going on.

You'd be saying like what motivate us, like who we was looking at? Yeah, like what rappers y'all was looking at at the time? It was our flocker, n'n, n'nit was all Gucci. N'n, it was all... I was out Pac-Man. Pac-Man, you know, that's... From King Louis?

Yeah, Pac-Man from Drill City. Even with line. Yeah, he started Drew. That's what they say, right? Drill, you know, it's just you telling your story. Yeah. Well, Pac-Man was the first person to really be... That was, like, pushing the drill.

Yeah, for sure. Then, that was really my influence, though. Pack, no. Because I was really around, so I'm seeing them, like, damn. I know him. He was blowing up. He was with, like, LEP, Bogus Boys. I remember them.

They used to be like Wayne and shit. Yeah, that was the whole era during the blogs. We were all in the blogs and shit, and that was, like, the hottest shit coming to Chicago at that time. Yeah, Chicago. They were, like, hot to twist it, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that's one thing I fucked up when we interviewed Lil Reese.

I should have talked to him about Twista being in the fucking Us video or the traffic video. I forget which one it is, but Twisters is in the background. Traffic. I think I asked Twista about that a long time ago, so I already got his perspective on it, but I should have asked Risi the other day. Even Allie Boy, Allie Boy was somebody that was like hanging out with Chi Keefe and y'all back in the day. Early on, it's a vlog. Allie Boy had like a relationship with phone number from the Madbielder.

You know, that's like with Recy and Wood. and Vernon all they're from that's like cross street from O block yeah so Allie boy had a relationship with phone no from there I miss that he was so viral at that time like every week he was going viral for beating somebody up or hating on some dissing somebody it was crazy around like real style he told me he was gonna come up here soon so hopefully you know we'll make that happen yeah Allie boy we didn't forget you got to pull up but um okay so so so so blows up but then he kind of like leaves Chicago right away right that was because

situated like with the police right right for sure but like from your perspective as a person who's trying to make it as a rapper what did you think of that or like he blows up but then he's kind of he's out of there like right away see man I don't know I got like a different understand of shit I ain't see no wrong they don't leave right if you stand man you just gonna get pulled back into some shit Right. They're the cops or people trying to do something to you. Both very bad options.

Everything got around the board. Yeah. So I don't see no wrong. And they know the police is on his ass. They feel like he started everything was going on because the music. There's somebody that's blowing up. They're damn. So they're putting the blame on him. So they're on his ass. Yeah, for sure. So I don't see no wrong in that. They wouldn't even let a hologram of Sosa perform. You remember that? Yeah, I remember that. I think that shit was like Indiana, something shit. I was it? I thought that was in Chicago. That shit wasn't in there.

Really? Oh, that's confusing. They stopped that in Indiana, I think. Oh, okay. Yeah. With you being one of the early rappers from O'Block and stuff, how come you, how come she keef never really, like, attitude to, like, the whole GVE thing that he had going on,

you think? Like, what was the, what was more of y'all music relationship? Because y'all got songs, right? No, no, we haven't got no songs. Yeah, I got no songs, but I did him in the videos and stuff. and stuff. How can I never really did no music? What was that?

See, I really wasn't, I was rapping, but folks probably like, damn, Fos Ain Taze's here, but who did come was Frato, Frato Santana. That was like one of the first of the guys that had that was, like, coming from me and Top. Keith came with Top because Top was rapper,

Rapper. For me, I wasn't really, like, rapping, rapping, rapping. But I was rapping, though. So he probably like, damn, folks ain't taking this year. But once he left, that's when I was taking that shit to see it. When I was seeing, like, when I went to Folkrip and he did the Sit-Go video, I'm like, damn, I'm going to take this shit to see it.

Fos just made it out. So that's when I started taking the series. And that's when around the time, folks couldn't come, couldn't come, like, to a Chicago. Yeah. Because of the legal situation. But so like Ball Stop was like another person that he has like it seemed like he has a lot of influence on people in O Block and stuff And I seen him you and him hanging out a lot like what's your relationship with Ballstock?

That's my real brother right then Like is he older than you like you more younger than the most of them or me? Me, me Vine and Keith we like same age so yeah some of them so boss I was like the older guys Yeah he's like a he's like older brother I'm feeling now old Jay Manny and shit like that So if Bossop's your brother Then were you there When he ran up in Chief Keith's crib

You want to give us your perspective on that story? I don't know what you're talking about We always hear about that But nobody really wants to give too many details I don't know nothing about that For sure I don't know nothing about that Okay But that situation did change

How Chief and Bossop I guess Their friendship in the future? Because, I mean, it's on the internet. They talked about, like, something definitely went down. So I was always wondering, like,

how come she keeping boss type really don't hang out? That's the internet. You ain't never saying them to, seeing them two saying that. Social sad stuff, for sure. Yeah, but, you know, that's brothers, niggas, I agree. Okay, one thing you can say

about a lot of the Chicago dudes, when they beef with each other, they keep it really, really quiet. And when they beef with the other side, they keep it unbelievably not quiet. There's one thing that we notice all the time. Nobody will tell us the root of why Reese and Dirk aren't around each other or why Riescing around Sosa or whatever.

Nobody wants us talk about that shit, but then in terms of who they don't get along with, it feels like we know everything. It's free game, right? True. Have you ever noticed that? Is that something they tell you when you move to O'block? Well, look, though, man.

Man, all don't talk to each other. It's just y'all two get into it with each other. not fin to be on the internet time about so fuck you fuck you uh making now y'all brother so y'all gonna handle that situation yeah that's real and in the crea like you get into it your little brother so you ain't fin to go outside but like man fuck my little bro i'm gonna kill them or so shit yeah nah you go no that's right fight at home your mama gonna yell at you as soon as you beef with your girl and she goes online and starts talking about you to me it's over i yeah let's ask you about that what's your situation

That's what we're talking about you I don't answer too many questions I ask them I'm like DJ you Did I say the wrong one So what's your ties in the one Those though Because I've always

Like you got soldier Drey I've seen you with I think you was at Soldier Slim's Memorial or something I grew up out of that shit With my dad I used to be riding around

He'd be off like All New Orleans shit But then again You know I got family there too But as I'm growing That's when I'm learning that. So I had, man, my partner, Wayne P. That's who helped me with the book and shit.

That's my brother's shit right there. I had got a close relationship with him. Then I just ain't going to lie. That bitch changed my life. In the world, that bitch. So you were going back and forth when you were a kid? I started going back and forth like seven years ago. Okay.

Then I lived, moved out. Was it because you wanted to get a little? away from all the bullshit in Chicago, or what was your reason for wanting to be up there? I just, I just fuck with the culture. I just fuck with them, then. You know, my family, know, my grandma, I know from the South. So I wanted to go touch that bitch, and I grew up with the music and shit. So I wanted to go see what the fuck that shit was like.

But did you feel conflicted about moving? Because I feel like a lot of people from Chicago, if they move, they're almost kind of, like, embarrassed to be out of there, even if they move somewhere better. See, for me, man, look. That's New Orleans. That bitch, that bitch bustin. So it's not no, I'm going, I really ain't going to know where that was better than Chicago.

Yeah, New Orleans is down there. That bitch, that bitch, a murder cow. It's been a murder cow since the 90s and shit. Right. But so when you move there, you started being around some grimy shit? What you mean? That bitch, that bitch, bison. When I've been to New Orleans, it's just like, oh, this is a tourist.

ass place that I could just be posted in the hotel and they got nice restaurants and bars and shit like that I'm not going to the trenches I was I was in the in the trenches like I adapt to that bitch they love me out there right that's pretty my second home they think it's tight that you're from O block man fuck all that shit they they had died to me because I'm me right but yeah though you know that that shit carry away like but that shit don't really carry away like that Niggas love it.

They fuck me. Like, yeah, you're from there. It's about how you move and how you is. Right. Anybody can't. It doesn't matter who you. Like, I'm for O'block. If your character ain't adapting to this shit, they don't fuck with you.

They ain't you. Right. But, like, do you still stay there? In New Orleans? Yeah. Yeah, I'm still there. Okay. But you go back to Chicago much?

Yeah. My family there. Right. So I got to go. How often you go back to, like, O'block? I'm like, who the man got is at you? you go kick it with when you do go to O'block. Shit, all the guys that steal, E, Gleche,

E, like, E, Doug. I mean, Duke, whoever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody. When I go there, I ain't gonna lie that bitch. Motivate me. That bitch is. That's a different love.

That's a bit, I don't know, fuck. But every time I go to Chicago, I gotta go there. You gotta go visit the O-Touching. Got to it. So who's, like, the, who would you say, like, the closest friends that you got from Oblock or any cousins. You said you related to Big A, but like, that's it.

You said like any other cousins or relatives that live in O Block, but Big A was only. Dizzle, Polo. They're my cousins. But I ain't going to lie. I was close to, like, Top, me and Top, T. Roy, me and Vine. I got a relationship with all the guys. Yeah.

It's like different, but we all still close. No, it seemed like everybody, because I remember early on, I seen the Zach TV interview. So how did that, what was it like when y'all shot the Zach TV that day in Oblock and I seen you out there, Prince, no, boss top was out there, Big A was out there, that's the main people I can remember at that time. I ain't gonna, I really want to fuck with Zach at that time. I thought it was out of the police. Because you just weren't even used to people doing interviews.

Well, I wasn't used to this shit, so it's around that time. I wasn't, I wasn't shy. Niggins think I was shy, but I wasn't shy just with, wasn't fucking no cameras. I was just quiet. I ain't trust shit. How the fuck you're gonna come record us? But who called him over there? Who set that up for him?

He hit me. Oh, so you set it up, but then you still was a little like... But I was still like... The only reason why I did, because I seen L.A. do it. And L.A., and Rondo, they had this shit. So I'm like, I'm getting that, uh... Fuck it. So I did it.

But then when he came, I'm getting that... That nick, I asking too many of criminating that shit. But I'm just... I know how to go around the shit. But I was, I ain't gonna go out. I'm gonna fuck with the exact shit. Then I start fucking with him after that, though. So Vaughn came home in what, 2017, 2018?

Man, Vaughn was in and out. I ain't gonna, I don't remember the years like that. He did like four years right before he started to pop off as a rapper, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when he got out, were you like anxiously away, him getting out because you guys were already friends at that point. I ain't gonna, he was calling me, you know, because I was rapping out. Keith was gone, me and top, like we had the light and shit.

So when he was in jail, he was a call like, man, I'm gonna rap. He would, let's fuck you on. We're on for the rap. I'm telling him, like, go on here. You got a story, but the way I'm done, I'm like, this nigga, playing like a motherfucker. When he got out, I guess he had one with a phone, though, with dirt. And that's when he really took that shit

serious Then I'm like Damn He was sending me the songs I ain't gonna like I folks first songs It was weak shit But

I'm like damn Bitch you for real Then when I heard the crazy stuff I'm like Never Yeah Yeah you never thought That'll be him

So shit he'd do So you didn't see Von being a rapper When he first got up Nah Yeah I ain't gonna like Von Don't eat

Dude Me Von Tyroy Top E All of us We were like Known Von was known

So I always knew Like folks got a star to him But I ain't gonna lie Think folks gonna be rapping That shit surprising Another name that I always hear Is Gleash from O'Block Like what I'm saying?

Who's Gleash? Gleash moved and that bit Me and Glees stayed across tall from each other Yeah I've been knowing Glees though from Union and shit like house and shit then he had mom in the mood in that bitch he's been there for a long time so yeah he's over yeah he something like he been there for a long time and my brother ain't gonna live I've been knowing Gleash

for a long guess time way before even he came overlap so you invented phoned him phone him yeah that's me when like what how did it come about you have any recollections of what this was like I don't know how it was just rob. Well, I don't like doing what other people do, so it just came phone numbers and been like, man, what the fuck is you talking about? Oh, man, I don't phone now, and I just never stopped. And I just seen people start seeing that shit. Right.

But then I seen them put that shit on hurt, man. Man, look, Hurd was my dog. Yeah, they're talking about Herbending up to that. Oh, really? Yeah, man. I think that was my mistakes. but there's no chance you're 100% sure you came up with it

I'm a million percent sure that's phone number that shit real go go look at the interviews matter if I got a a motherfucking interview I'll just keep saying on phone now right

but what like when did you really start to see people using it on like a bigger and bigger scale after the my mistake they gave her with Kate that said on phone now and I just started saying it Everybody said that shit.

Right. But my hood, they were saying that shit. But they was tweaked with me. What the fuck is you talking about? But, you know, originally, nigga, like, on folks, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or on whatever they is. Wasn't Poe trying to explain that to me the other day?

Phone them and folks in them? He was, like, trying to really emphasize that there's a difference. It's a difference. Folks is really for the GDs, right? Yeah, but... But we, niggas was saying, I'm folks now. That's really some... Some GD's shit.

But then... I'm like, I'm like, phone no but then it kind of transition to just be on phone them and then that's just everybody say on phone no right we it's a gang in chicago called the foes they don't even be saying but they probably said nada everybody says that shit yeah yeah it's crazy to think that you and young like we're like like good friends and stuff so like what about duck was you around duc because you know young he's the one who came out with the whole fbg movement or he started call on the MVP?

Young. I met home in like fourth grade. We both went to Macauch, MTC. That's like, that bitch in the middle of wood line. It's like O'block right here, then over here. Like T, Y, and B shit, this is the seven. So we all went to this school. I'm probably the only one coming from Parkway going to.

Going to school. Why you just go to the regular school that everybody in Parkway went to? Because I was always going there before. moved to parkway oh i said i'm like i'm staying uh and i had to walk through young no so when vaughn starts being around dirk did you did you know dirk well at that time i was around dirt i'm man luck man i was with o t f when that shit started really yeah who started my cousin no started that look verney oh so wait wait wait you're related to the muscle

Little Vernie? Yeah, that's my cousin, too. That's your cousin too. Damn, that's crazy to know. So, Vernie is the one who came up with only the family. He's the one that said, all, we O-TF, type of shit. That's cool to know. For music, yeah.

Yeah, for the music, that's what I'm talking about, like, the record label side of it. Yeah, yeah. Because he was rapping, too, at one point, right? Yeah. He still be rapping. Yeah, he still be rapping. Yeah. I think I...

So how did he end up in a wheelchair? Yeah, guys, shout up. What year was this? Like, because I've been seeing him in a wheelchair for a long time, so. Like, 2018 or something shit? I think so. Yeah. Like around that time.

And so are you spending a lot of time around Vaughn when he's moving around with Derek and stuff at that time? Like, when folks started, see me, I was away. I was, like, out of town and shit doing my thing. Folks were like, man, ooh, what the fuck you on? He was telling me like, man, start what you doing. Come back and come back and rap. So that's how I started back, like, staying focused on me. That's how the back again and shit came up.

I was just going to have to ask you about that. That's why that bitch called back again. Oh, really? Back outside? All right. I came back. So give a picture. I wasn't ever gone.

I was just doing what I was doing, making money and shit. Were y'all in the studio altogether when y'all did that track? How did it come up? Like, walk us through the making the back again? we was in that bitch dirt getting that come on so I'm like but you know me at dirt we've been had some

was way for this in Chicago Atlanta we was in Atlanta we got to fuck that studio Kyle I forgot the fucking name studio Kyle but he was in Atlanta he was like

come on he's going to do this shit they are he was going through the beast and shit they have a plan in mind was it supposed to be a dis Hell now, man Just got turned out that way Nigger just go It just went off energy

It was just dirt Then I went on that bitch First dirt just did the hook Then I went on Then Vime He like He's like You tweaking

An angle I thought that shit was weaks here Really You thought Vaughn versus Wooten I thought my shit was weird My verse went crazy But you did your verse First

Which is why in your verse You're not really dissing anybody By name or whatever But then on Vaughn's verse He's violated All his ops he don't dis-nobody period I just went off of what

What the fuck Dirk was in? Right I'm just I'm like Yeah they He getting that Man's that Then I'm like

I yeah I'm phone They wouldn't know where I've been at And I don't pop out like a ghost On the phone That's inside that shit Yeah that's showing crazy Right

But so What did you think When you were listening In Von's verse And it was just the most Disrespectful shit You could think of As foes

See me, I don't be doing that As opposed to, phone don't do that I don't be into that shit though But when y'all heard it, I know y'all was going crazy in the studio Like he was going crazy What? I'm damn, this bit It's tweaking on phone now I ain't gonna allow to change my shit

I heard that After you heard of the first, yeah, you're like, man They get in, you tweaking That shit ain't click on me Until when the project dropped then I'm getting that damn this bitching on my shit nah you're crazy on that shit

that's like one of my favorite joints for sure me too I listened to it today in the car and I immediately restarted it and listened to it again which I probably listened to it like 200 times in my life which it really says a lot

it's like a top five King Vaughn song any song he affiliated with that was the number one song that was the number one of my favorite joints for real I almost feel bad saying that's my favorite song though just because it's like the most violent, disrespectful song.

Hey, look, see you ain't trying to have no question. I see you put that bitch on your shit. What? On your little post. Oh, when I made that video? Yeah, man,

people were laughing like, oh, my God, not the King Vaughn's song. Oh, no. I'm damn, he tweaking. I know you've seen a video

when everybody was in O Block and they was rapping and this was after Vaughn died and the old was... That shit motivated. Oh, damn. I know you felt... You had to get goosebumps

I had to say it. I had to chill. I just want to say I caught the cheese. It was crazy, like the energy that, you know what I'm saying, Vaughn left. So, like, how you feel about the mural and stuff? Like, you've been outside to go see it and shit already? I've seen that. For sure.

I ain't going to lie, really. I don't be, I just be, damn, folks. So where were you at when you heard the news that Vaughn passed away? I was around, but I wasn't right there, though. You were going to Atlanta, too, that night? Yeah. Yeah. So you didn't have a clue that he was actually going to the other lounge?

I ain't gonna lie. I ain't no folks got shot until all that shit was over. Like the next day time? Where were you at? Where were you at when it happened? I was there. I just wasn't right right there. So you were like around in the area?

You were like in one of the cars that was driving around? It was a lot of people out there. It's crazy because like we talked to DJU and Bezoo and they both were like at hotels in the area and both heard it happening. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. That's basically I heard it and I'm running into it, but I'm seeing.

and everybody running. So I'm like, damn, should I run to that shit? It was like some shit stopping. Like, hell, no, he tripping. So I'm just trying to see you, pay attention to everything.

Then when that shit over it, everybody panicking and shit. That shit over with. They're getting that. Folks got hit. What? That's how that shit was. So you went with him to the hospital?

No, I didn't go. going up to the hospital. I just went for no. And then I got the call. We had got the call. Never. I just had it. One thing in the new Traplow Ross documentary

that I had forgotten about or didn't know about was that Kwanda was at the same hospital, at the same exact time. And he went on live, and then Bezu did an Instagram post basically calling him a pussy because he went on live basically because he was scared.

That was, his accusation. Yeah, he went on live helping little Tim get to the hospital. I don't remember seeing that. But isn't that a weird thing to do? Like, you're rushing your home into the hospital and you, like, hop on Instagram live in the hospital?

I don't know about that. I know you probably don't want to. So you didn't have any relationship? Because a lot of y'all was hanging out with Kondo, Rondo, and NBA young boy before any of that happened. Like, Dirt and Vaughn, like, at one point, Dirk said NBA Youngboy was his favorite rapper. And I know I've seen videos of King Vaughn,

like, hanging out with Cuando, like, in the studio and stuff. Like, you wasn't there for any of those studio sessions? or anything? No, I ain't never seen, no, you ain't never really messing. You have used to listening young boy music at the time? Yeah, I was. I ain't going to lie about that shit like that. I was listening to him when he first came out.

The night all that shit happened, they were driving around listening to Young Boy. There's like videos of it and shit. You got to watch the rest of the Trappler documentary. Yeah, I got to finish the Trappler documentary. I ain't never seen this. I don't see that. It just came out.

Yeah, you probably hated it. So you didn't see the Trailer Roy's King Vaughan documentary? Yeah, no. No, but you heard about it. at least alright I just kept me in I ain't know What about

What about any of the Chicago scene 88 I know you hear about him a lot too Ain't gonna lie Folk phone don't be mad I don't be on the internet Oh yeah I don't even be controlled My Instagram

Oh yeah So you're just not interested I don't like that shit I don't know what What would my life be like If I didn't watch shit on YouTube All the time I don't even know

Only how I hear shit is It's from somebody around So what are you doing on a day-to-day basis You just got so many girls that you're dealing with That you can't be on YouTube I got kids on phone I got a girl I'd be chilling

I'd be working I'd be trying to figure it out Writing books Yeah I wrote a book So what's the name of these books And where can they get them? Yeah That bitch's gonna be on Amazon

Yeah Bonds and O Surviving OBLG Definitely is like a title That needed to happen at some point For sure Gotta get that bitch I'll tell you what's good

I grew up No, for sure How long it take you to write this Or did you work with like a co-author on it or anything? I ain't gonna lie I was working that bitch For like For like two

Two and a half years Some shit like that Really? I started out just Writing down the The content Like the chapter's names Yeah, no

This is dope I should really want to read this But were you talented at writing When you're in school Or was this like a totally new challenge to you. I was cool at school, but I ain't going to lie. I don't know that shit just came in mind.

Like, man, look, niggas ain't writing books. I'm going to write a book. Right. Trencher's News actually got a book on the way, too, that he's been promoting. Surviving Drill or something like that, right? How to Survive Chicago or something like that. Similar title, yeah. I ain't reading that school.

Are you familiar with Trenches News? Yeah, I know about that. Like, do you know him personally? Because he's somebody that was actually interested in. Chicago like at the time like he said you know a lot like Lil Reese recently just said on the DJU interview that the stories that he tell about little Reese is true and that he's seen DJU I mean he's seen trenches out and about in Chicago is that somebody you ever ran into or man I remember him because he used to he used to fuck with one of the my guys that stayed in my

build he used to fuck with his mom's so I used to see him oh so you did see him personally Would you, so how do you feel about him being one of the cooperators? People allegedly saying he's cooperator one on the FBG Duck case that's going on right now. I don't know. I don't know. Who's doing what? I don't know. But you, yeah, that's crazy.

How you feel about when Sun-Times dropped the headline that King Vaughn had $100,000 on VG Duck's head? Man, they're going to make all types of stuff. So, all right. The big thing they... No, that's the media. That's what they got to do. That's the media. That's what they do, right? All right.

They got to make stories up and go by. Yeah. So, King Vaughn passed out chains in Oblock, and this was before the Sun-Time shit. But they saying that him passing out money in O-block is a reason why they gave... They even had the intentions on writing that article saying that he ended out 100,000.

But that O-block chain that Chah got was something that he just did randomly just off the strength type. shit. Man, that shit was for being brown folks and just, you know, we've brought us. We come from nothing. We're from Oblock. We, we in this bitch, roaches, mice,

bareblood, all type of shit. And Obloch, Jay Hood didn't get one, so that's why they kind of fell out. You familiar with Jay Hood? Yeah, I know, but I don't know. How do you feel about the stories he be saying? I don't pay attention to that either. Yeah, yeah, but he is somebody that actually is King Vaughn's cousin and somebody that was in old.

He said he's not cousin, but childhood friend. Like he said he used to sleep over Vaughn House all the time. And I think he said he know you. Yeah, he's from there for sure. He's lived in that, yeah. So how many Oblock chains are in that document or the vlog with Asian dog? Were you in that actual vlog? Obloat.

Where he passed out the chain? He got the big blue coat, shiny-ass coat. No, no. I didn't. That was in the video? No, not, or was it silver?

It might have been a silver. I remember he had a loud-ass coat. I remember he had a loud-ass coat. Oh, that's when he just passed out money. He didn't pass out the chains that day, right? Yeah. He went to ice box in the land. But that just,

that's just, that just, he just, he made, he got some money, man. I'm getting to my brothers. Yeah.

All that shit, daytime. Fuck the daytime. Are they sure. That's talking shit. Yeah, that's for the media. So they're trying to build a case So they're going to put whatever

To make it seem like it's true So after Vaughn passed though Like everybody just went back to their lives Like what do you even do after something like that goes down You're all out of town at the moment Shit look right man Niggas lose people Every day all day

And man life be still going on just, what you want to say? I went to go do this hell now, man. Niggas ain't, niggas just gotta figure life out, got to keep going. We lose people every day, all day. No, yeah, definitely. Nah, some people did.

Fucking 600 Breezy and Mimo 600. They drove to Savannah, Georgia, and shot a music video. You seen that? Like, right after all that shit happened. I ain't see none of that. Yeah, they went out there just shoot a music video type shit. You know what I'm saying?

You know, trolling and shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that never seemed like a great idea to me. Yeah, out of town. You don't know what's going on out there, man. That seems like a weird idea. What's your relationship like with little Reese? I know y'all are cool.

That's my dog. I'm fine. I was from the block, too. Yeah. What a block, which means? Because he's from Lameron tight. He's from O'Block, too. Because he out there all the time?

He grew up in there. He grew up in there. He grew up in a apartment in the O'Block at one point? He lived in the Macbillard. but Matt Beardt Street. He's done that too. How many songs do you ever reach? I think I got like three songs, Reese.

You ever talk to him these days? Yeah. My dog, I don't know. That's what's up. What's your friends like with 600 in general? I got love for them. Who's like some of your main homies from over there? Because I know I've seen you.

From 600? I know you used to rock with Edei hard. I seen him as a... It's close to L.A., Buka, Jester, man, D. Rose. D. Rowe. How did that relationship form with, like, the people from 600 and shit? You said how to relationship for him?

Yeah, like, just going to school with them or... I just from St. Nade, well, phone them from down the street, but, you know, it just... I used to be going down there with them with me and T. Yon and B and phone down. from the block. You know, they got, they on, in Washington Park neighborhood, so they had the

court, the basketball court. So phone needs to be right there. I come down there, fuck with them and shit. I ain't never hoop. I ain't never, like no sports. I ain't gonna say I was hooping. You just weren't interested in sports? I ain't gonna lie. I was, I went into

into sports. I always, I don't know. What's your relationship with 100K track? Y'all, y'all not seeing out of A? He good, folks. He's not good. That's a good question.

Wait, but you signed to him at one point? No. But. You said I signed to him. All right, so the word was that you signed to him or someone forged your signature. You know what I'm saying? That's what you were saying. Trench's news says your signature was forging that you really never actually signed to Lennon.

I had a son. with get-back game then he he oh man first time about so I signed papers with 100K but I never did I signed papers with get-back game he was basically saying it's the same thing and he over it so he's saying that he owned the rights to your shit because you signed a get-back gang is what he's trying to say right he was basically saying 100K was yeah he was so he owns the LLC did that or Vaughn like who who started get back in? Von.

So that should have you should have been Vaughn's artists. Yeah, but I did that like two, two, three days, four folks got killed. That's how that went. So have you actually done any business with track since then? Since then. In terms of your music and everything? Since what?

The love internet shit. Since you signed? I had did a project with him and the distribution of company. Uh-huh. Yeah. So the relationship is not really just Minning you just try to finish up your obligations and just get up out of that

I ain't based to him I ain't got no problem man He still got boss top and everybody that he's still Managing right I think he still managed boss top and I know he was dealing with Mubop too I don't know who he managed no more I've known track forever

And when he walked in with Vonn My jaw like dropped Because I just knew him as Mellie's guy And I like as a Florida dude Because he did all this shit with Kodagger earlier and then he walks in with Vaughn and I'm just like what the fuck I'm like you managing everybody now like what's going on I was kind of shocked but so you you don't have a relationship currently I'm guessing no problem with him okay we just

know had a misunderstanding and shit like that right that's just situated does shit 's great what about all in LNB you got any friends over there I got I got family over oh like yeah you fuck with her but bibby I don't know baby but I know her. You know her? I got to ask you this shit. This is a funny question. So you was dating a chick from No Limit

and she like leaks your news or something online? Man, that's my baby mom, man. She ain't even from over there. Oh, she's not from over there? They said it's like a girl from No Limit leaps your news. So she's not from there? She used to hang out from over and something. And what did you do to provoke this?

Man, man. You're going through the city? I know. I'm chilling. She was just mad that you type shit? So you were cheating? She really boosted my shit up. They was tweaking with me out there.

So you were cheating and she said, all right, the whole world needs to see his dick now. Man, she ain't throw me up like that. Oh, I didn't see the news. Remo, he looks at that kind of stuff. She threw me up. She threw me up. She threw me up.

Fucking her. Like, you just see her legs up. I don't even get the point of that. Yeah, but she's in. I wasn't no fucking naked and no shit like that. fucking out in the piss. I mean, maybe that would get you some more pussy realistically. That's what I'm saying.

She really had boosting me up. I don't know. That was dumb of her part. Yeah. A lot of times. That was then, though. Girls find out about your sex life and then they won in. Yeah.

She's dumb as in, fuck. But she wasn't from no limit? Nah, she ain't from no limit. Who's J.B. Bin Laden? Because that's somebody I used to see you working with, like, early on. That's fun. That was my homie. That was your only, or that ain't shown me no more?

Well, I'm talking no more. But where are you from? He's from Saturday First. Sunday, First. All right, for sure. He was from Saturday First. Remember when I was singing I was younger? Yeah.

We lived on the same block. Oh, all right, for sure. Yeah. So he was somebody that you was doing music with early on. No, no, no, really, I really, he started doing music. He was rapping him in L.A. and shit. We always rapping But he was playing with the shit

Then when we went to Ful in L.A. in Roundtown LA and Jay Money died I'm like, come on, let's do this Because they're watching you And they're watching me, let's do this shit Because I knew him since we was little We had a real, real tight bond I don't know

What about Jay Money? Because I know you got a song called Like Money Gang, is that like to honor him? Yeah What was your relationship like with Jay Money? That was my real, big brother right uh they say he was like a bully those with jay money on phone now you and you see jay money that jay money he want no bully to he ain't fin to come bully you

he was a good nigger on phone no he really cared for people so you linked up with nazi b k at some point who they i don't know i mean i'm just asking the question i've seen a video with uh you and nazi b k on Oh, you're talking about New York. You're talking about Kay Flock of people, you know? Yeah.

I was with my homie and O.P., and bandy named them in New York. And they had a little video shoot or some shit, and I had made Kay Flock and I think yeah, he was there too. What do you think of the whole drill scene in New York?

I ain't gonna lie. I really don't, I don't know. I fuck with I fuck with niggas in New York. York. Right. But some of this,

I don't be listening to all of it. It's kind of noisy. It's a lot of yelling. I don't really like New York drill. Chicago drill is a little bit more traditional hip hop in comparison to a lot of the Bronx drill. It's like steel like trap bees. Yeah.

But, you know, he got that. I don't know. But they say all type of shit drill now. I don't be no what the fuck they're talking about. drill is what do you consider but but also drill in Chicago is violent yes

but drill in New York is way more violent like it's literally like every fucking bar is like smoking on somebody's cousin it's kind of crazy the way New York shit is like how London shit sounds that was that was like the style Herb and

I was doing back in those times but herbinger was doing the DJL shit then I had like the sound of that shit too but I had got beats from niggas from London way before London came out with their drill shit and I guess

that's when they all did that shit that sound but drill drill is Pac-Man and King Yvonne that's drill right there yeah but it's evolved and changed so much over the years so it's just

he impact the movement of the drill but drill like So you'll put Vaughn over Sosa? With the drill? All right, if you had a name, your top three to the top five drill rappers right now, who would you name?

Drill rappers? From Chicago. From Chicago? I'm gonna put Pac-Man. All right. Vaughn. Damn, man. Hell, probably a great.

We got Vaughn, who else? I got it though, Keith, because Keith, keep spread the drill movement to the world. Yeah, we might not. be having this conversation if it wasn't for him. Yeah, so yeah, you wouldn't know me, if he wasn't know her, you wouldn't know a lot of us everyone for Keith, but

I got through Pac-Man because he created, yeah. I need two more then. Does Dirk not come to mind because his music has kind of gone so far beyond drill at this point? Man, their guy's own style, man. I ain't know. I said, it's it.

It's drilled, though, because, but No, I don't know. So he ain't in that top spot. So give me two more. I put Dirk as a top five artist. But drill rappers I put, when it comes to rap, see, I don't know, man. I don't know, man.

I put pack, Vaugh, me. Got to put yourself on the list. Otherwise, what's the point? Put sosa in there, so that's four. We just need more than. Damn, I gotta put Sosa. I put a... Give us an op.

A op. You gotta at least get some of... Man. Even if y'all fought with them, there's someone the rest... I ain't gonna say... I don't... I listen to everything. I'm gonna...

I want to hear what the fuck people talking about. So which one of the ops that got good music that you're like, I can recognize, like, he's still decent? Somebody that's decent? That you can still, like, you can honor. You can respect their music and shit. Even if they're saying them from your son. I ain't gonna lie.

I don't, let me get somebody from my house, a little more. I can listen to him. He'd be tweaking. Best current G.D. rapper. Like Chicago. I don't know. I don't be listening to them. Yeah.

I think Ruga is probably going to take it. Let's be real. You probably got the best music out of any of them. I don't know. I ain't going on list. I listen to, like, what the fuck come out? I got to see what the fuck going on. I want to hear what people saying.

other than that I don't be on the internet so I'm a list to the music Was you ever around Y and W. Melly being around track? I ain't never been around Melley I ain't never been around Mellon. I talked to matter

I ain't never been around though So what's up with Mone and Duke because it seemed like he wanted the faces of O'Block right now that's what I would say Yeah Got any songs with him Yeah yeah we got songs

I'm on this project he just dropped Welcome to the Jungle Ah yeah for sure I think I did Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm on his project. That's my brother, for sure. When did you decide to get your teeth done?

I ain't gonna like out got my shit done. Right after folks got killed. Because folks getting that mad, you getting that. We had a little plan that shit. Me and Vaughn said, he getting that, ooh, we're gonna do this. You got to go get your tea. You getting that. What the fuck, what I'm gonna say?

You get that, boy, you ain't no ugly nigga, boy. You go get your teeth up. They ain't gonna really love. I don't get no fuck about no TV I had my I had money to do it I just ain't get no fuck But I'm like Pay for it or he just told you he just motivated you to do it

Yeah first up motivate me to go do that shit So I'm gonna go get my shit doing it's crazy Because like even this morning I was watching like A older video years and then a newer one And I was like As a dude Getting your teeth fixed is like basically the best thing You could possibly do for your appearance

Man I'm in the hood I was in the hood. I didn't get no fuck about no teeth. Yeah. My mama was still in it. What the fuck I care about my mouth? But if you want to be a rapper and shit,

like I don't know. If you have fucked up teeth, people just look at you like you're a crackhead or something. It's not fair, but it's, you know, a lot. You go to England, everybody got fucked up teeth out there.

But in America, like, we just judge people so hard for having fucked up teeth. I'm going to go get, go look at your teeth. Go get your teeth done. Look at your teeth done. Like, damn bitch you were just

telling me, going to get my shit done. Look at your teeth. How you're doing everybody else shit? How much you spent on? That bit is like 20. Yeah, it's 20 feet. You ever getting in a fight and get cracked in your shit?

How's that feel? I ain't gonna let my girl just hit me in my shit. I'm fucking crazy. I remember having braces and it was like the worst thing in the world getting punched in the face because your braces were like smash into your lip and it would hurt and cut your shit up in the face. I was going to get braces, but I'm like, man, that shit hurt. Yeah, if you got the money, you might as well just. And also, I feel like braces could end up costing 20K

over the course of like three years. And that's a long gas process. You probably got to wait 20 years to your shit. And you look like shit while you have the braces just so you can look better in the future. Whereas what you get veneers? That's serious. That shit hurt, though.

I've seen a picture of you and Aesab Yams on FaceTime. Yeah, my dog. How did Aesab Yams and you get connected? That's a random thing. That is crazy. Aisai Yams. He was trying to make me Aesop. In what years? Like 2012?

Around like 2012, 13. How did y'all even get in tune? How he discovered you? I ain't going to lie. He had mentioned me on Twitter getting that Prince Ray. I don't know. A lot of people mentioned me around that time.

He getting that. He did won. Bro, there's so many rappers from, especially the early days of no jumper. So many people that I would talk to, and this was after games passed, but so many people would be like, yeah, and Yams started talking to me.

And like after Rocky popped off, Yams was on it. He was talking to so many different people and trying to figure out who his next artists were going to be and shit, and then he just kind of died in the middle of all that. He was on my ass too. He was like,

you leave. Come, he's like, I'm getting that. Fuck it. Then he died. Yams was a real visionary. He had the vision for sure. He was like, he was going to be A-Sab,

The real vision, though, that a lot of people, like, don't remember is that Yams basically, like, got famous on Tumblr just from posting, like, cool fucking... But of other people and, like, oh, here's, like, a fucking Fubu ad from an issue of the source from 1995. He'd be posting all this kind of shit, and then finally, like, Rocky was ready, and then he premiered Rocky on his Tumblr, and then Rocky just blew the fuck up from then. And we were all like, oh, what? Like you could just get popping on Tumblr and then use your Tumblr to get your artist popping. Like we could not believe. It's basically like a version of Twitter and shit from back in the day. I think I know.

I think I remember seeing that. Like when you're sharing a video on YouTube. Yeah, you could share images and videos and shit on it. But back in the day, it was kind of, I don't know, it had a vibe to it. It was like a lot of girls were on it. That's why it stood out so much that Tumble, the Yams was using it because it was like a lot of girls were using at that time and shit. Like, there was more for that, but he just got popping on there. But, so you ever actually meet him, or you just FaceTimed and shit?

He was always just on the phone. I had met one of Drake people's, too. He had, he didn't want to actually have brought my passport. He's like, man, go get your passport. I was still in O'block. I was still living in O'block. Do you remember who? Drake's crew?

I forgot for his name. He was from over there, though. Why don't I want you to get a passport? He wanted me to come to the... I guess they had some type of... It was some party or some shit on the yacht or some shit. He's like, man, come fly out here.

I was like, man, I can't fly no way. I ain't got no fast. And I was young to see him too. He had paid for that bitch. I think I just turned 18, too, though. Yeah, it was me and J.B. Yeah, sent the money to get our shit. Then he died.

Damn. I don't know. Do you ever feel like you're kind of, like, fucked up in the head from having lost so many people when you were young? I ain't going to lie. I'd be people like, man, you need to go to counseling. I don't need no counselor. I just said it's going to.

I'm getting that. Why would I want to pay somebody that never been through no shit I've been through? I'd go talk to my grandma and some shit. That'd be cool. I would say give it a shot. Therapy definitely could help you get your mind right, but I feel you. I know. I mean, you know what it is that makes me really.

realize how fucked up in the head we are at this point is when somebody that I know loses somebody and I see how bad it fucks them up and they're like they're like depressed for like weeks and shit and that's when I realize like oh shit like when people die you know it just doesn't like hit the same when you lost so many people that you know you know angle I don't even I don't even cry no more that shit don't like at first like I ain't a lot of real time I last I cried was when T. Roy got killed. Really? I remember I had cried on the porch.

I had got the call. I'm like, never. But then again, I just kept, I was been losing. I'm like, when I started traveling and shit, seeing shit, I'm like, the phone made it out. So I look at like, we in hell, they made it out this bitch, so that shit don't hurt me no more. So by the time Vaughn passed away, you was already to know?

I ain't gonna lie, I ain't even. I ain't crying with my dad. That shit ain't hit me until my mama called. Mm. Because that bitch, I was blue. I was full of gray. I was mad, so I was mad because I couldn't cry. Then my mama called.

She's getting that. Why, you ain't nice and she getting that. Ooh, she's talking. I just started crying. I was, damn. That's the last time I cried, though, for real. How do you feel about the new report? that you're saying that maybe the police actually shot the fatal shots to

actually kill King Vaughn and not a little Tim. I can believe it. I'm gonna I can believe it. Those bitches ain't right. I can believe it. I don't know what happened though but I can believe. Who uh so any odds that you feel like anybody in music before like we should be checking out like what you got working on or any new artist you. I got I got my My project coming out called Stelastain. Basically saying I'm an old block soldier. I'm one of the ones still.

And then I got my book and my weed screen and shit. But rappers and shit, I fuck with Mr. Dishie Speffle. He from Philly. Oh, where? We got to check that out. Oh, no. I fuck a lot of rappers in New Orleans, Philly, and D.C. So it's St. Louis.

That bitch bustin, too. They got to start getting it. Toon like other places. Man, draw light, two, three more. Places? Nah, people that we need to tap in with. Mr. Disrespectful, you say, he's a- He ain't from Philly.

E.B.K. Libo? Mr. Disrespectful? Is that what we're looking at? Nah, no, no, no. His name, Mr. Dispethful. Mr. Dispff? I got a song with him. My nigga, my nigga, Lil' out.

Little-out coming. T. T.H.F. A little-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L. The real disrespectful. The real disrespectful. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay.

Out of Philly. Yeah, yeah, he in Philly. My homie Glock Jones, he booked free Glock Jones. He in D.C. Yeah. I fuck with him. I don't know. It's a lot of niggas I be fucking with.

I don't even want to lead niggas out, but... Yeah. Them places, though, that's busting right now. Niggas got getting to them. If you had to leave a message to the youth or anybody that's watching this shit that might be getting into the shit that you did earlier on, what would you tell them? Screeze don't love you.

Screeze don't love nobody. If you got an opportunity, take that bitch. Somebody trying to help you take that shit. You only get two places, man, death in jail, man. And I'm just blessed to be able to make it out, like, survive this shit. Surviving O Block. For sure.

All right. is coming October. Surviving Remo. Coming soon. Surviving Remo. Oh, man. Okay, anybody you want to shout out? Anything we should know about before we wrap this?

Shit, shout out. Shout out my city, Chicago. Shout out the block. Shout out 4-0. Shout out New Orleans. Shout out Philly. Shout out my nigga Wayne P.

As opposed to, Vib and Tribe. Shout some of the guys you got. You came deep as a mud. Who got in the business? I got Philly with me. got New Orleans with me. Yeah.

Oh, no. You know, I'm straight out the O, the rack. I don't know for the guys. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, it was a great conversation. You've been a part of some crazy shit. You're part of like our favorite fucking Shy Rack song, basically, honestly, especially from

the modern era. Yeah, man. It was good to have a conversation. I wish you best of luck with your career and everything. And everybody should go check out his music on Apple Music. Spotify, YouTube, etc. French Dre in the building. Yeah.

And good meeting you guys. You're screaming. Get back. You know, you weird dad. All right. Shout out my boy, Remo. No Jumber. Coolest podcast in world.

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