No Jumper - Rampage Jackson on Why He's Never Been on Joe Rogan, Dana White Incident & More

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

Rampage sits down with Adam to talk about his career, Dana White, fatherhood, Almighty vs Kelpy, BBLs, and more! ----- 00:00 Intro 0:05 Rampage explains why he has never been on the Joe Rogan Experience 2:00 Adam and Rampage discuss how the color commentators control the narrative during a fight 9:12 Rampage on not going back to Bellator MMA and wanting to have rematches with people in UFC 12:20 Rampage says 99% of the beefs in MMA are real beefs and what crosses the line in beefs 15:30 Rampage says you have to come in with a different mindset when fighting someone who beat you before 17:20 Rampage talks about MMA fighter Phil Baroni k*** his girlfriend in Mexico 19:25 Adam and Rampage talk about viral video of Dana White and his wife at a club 21:02 Rampage talks about fighting with his son and fighting his dad during a construction job 24:50 Adam talks about defending himself against his dad when he was younger but never swinging on him 28:15 Reacting to Meek Mill getting in an argument with a fan at a boxing match 29:06 Rampage talks about using security so he doesn't get bothered by fans wanting to take pictures and not much for protection 30:35 Adam tells Rampage that a tr*ns woman told him to “S her D” at the AVN convention 31:40 Rampage on Suspect vs Kelpy and getting called a b*tch 33:16 Rampage on his UFC career, not seeing eye to eye with Dana White, cut from a Reebok deal, retirement narrative, and fighting in Bellator MMA 36:10 Adam asks how Rampage feels about new MMA fighters today getting more sponsors and better pay than ever before 41:30 Adam asks Rampage what music he listened to growing up in Memphis, like Three 6 Mafia 45:20 Rampage says he doesn’t like girls with BBL's and big fake lips 47:30 Rampage says that Instagram and Onlyfans has changed today's dating scene 49:40 Adam on if adult stars are "'bout that life" or just in it for money 53:40 Rampage shares his unpleasant GB with a friend in college story 55:50 Adam talks about women from different cultures spoiling their husbands 57:40 Adam asks Rampage about the stereotype of successful Black men dating outside of their race 1:01:45 Rampage talks about Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone being called a ra**st and defends him 1:11:35 Adam talks about having a daughter and what to expect when she starts dating 1:14:30 Rampage gifts Adam his coloring book to give to his daughter and talks about getting back into art 1:19:30 Rampage talks about his son who was born albino, with no skin pigmentation and blonde hair 1:22:20 Adam asks Rampage if he’s worried about his kids getting into fighting 1:25:20 Rampage on how he would feel if his son were to come out and how his current co-parenting is going 1:37:25 Rampage on the movie Click with Adam Sandler making him cry 1:43:50 Adam and Rampage discuss kids needing more sexual education to learn how to be safe 1:45:04 Rampage asks Adam if he’s ever heard about "hard p*ss" after having unprotected sex to avoid STDs 1:48:03 Adam talks about Rampage being the first celebrity he saw when he first got to LA ----- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And you know I had to come in today and have a chat with my OG. One of the biggest legends I've ever met in my whole life. I'm not sure if you realize the level of respect that I have for you. Oh, thanks, man. This guy right here. Because when we were together a couple weeks ago, you said, you know, why the hell I ain't never had a Joe Rogan interview?

And I was like, that's crazy because in my head I can picture like a Joe Rogan thumbnail with Rampage right there. No, I've never been on it. Did you ever have, like, any kind of weird interactions with Joe, or is you think it's just a coincidental thing? We had one thing. Joe and I, we always been cool, right? But then after a couple of fights in the UFC, he noticed that I wasn't checking leg kicks and that I wasn't throwing a lot of leg kicks. Okay. So he got real voices about it, and with social media, I had a lot of MMA fans talking about, man, you don't know how to kick and you don't know how to check leg kicks.

And I was like, man, it just got annoying, right? and they kept bringing up. They watched it on my fights. They kept bringing up because I wasn't checking leg kicks. They didn't know that the guys in UFC they wasn't kicking hard. And I'd rather take a kick and try to punch them.

And when I try to kick somebody, they were desperately trying to take me down. You know, they didn't want to stand up with me. So they didn't understand why I wasn't kicking when I didn't check leg kicks. If somebody was kicking hard, then I'd check them. Right. So I stepped at jaw like, like, Joe, man.

Man, why are you saying all that shit about me not kicking out of kicking? I had to tell about my fight when I was fighting in Japan. I was checking leg kicks all the time. Those guys over there, they just kicked harder for some reason when I was fighting in pride. And we had like a few words and stuff and I did say something kind of bad. I got tired of people constantly talking shit about me, so I tell them, you know, watch the UFC turning the volume down.

I said, you'll get a, you know what I'm saying? You'll get a different, it'll be a different fight. Because the color commentators, you know how they started off with radio. You know, they would paint the picture of the fight for you. Right. So Joe can be kind of biased sometimes, you know, against like jih Tjitsu guys he loved Jiu-sciu guys, and sometimes I watch the fight. I'll turn it down a little bit, then I get a different, you know, some view of the fight.

Because it's a lot of power that he has right there because the average fan doesn't necessarily know everything that's going on. And you can see it in the moment where the announcer sometimes up and say, oh, he just, you know, kicked him in the, he just broke his rib. He just kicked him in the midsection or something. And then you'll realize a few seconds later that that isn't what happened. And they'll correct it. But you'll also realize that if they hadn't corrected it,

you in your brain as a person who's just watching, you would have gone with this wrong narrative. And that just says a lot about how much the commentaries have control over your brain. Right, right. You know, it's unfortunate. But, you know, it's a lot of new fans all the time. The sport is constantly growing. And, yeah, they don't know what's going on a lot of time when you're a new fan.

And I thought me and Joe, I thought we was cool. after that talk we had, because I had already said all that stuff, like, turned the volume down. I had already said everything before I talked to him. Then after we talked, you know, so I was cool. He kind of got it. He apologized. And then, you know, I apologize.

And then we was cool. But, you know, it's all good. I never asked anybody to be on their show. Right. I was just wondering why he never, you know, saying. I'm like, damn, why Joe never invited me on the show? I'm sure he's pretty all over the place at this point in terms of just because, you know, he used to do a lot more MMA content, I think.

And now he's got, you know, a different doctor and comedian every week. I'm sure he feels like he kind of picks and chooses his MMA content maybe. Yeah, it makes sense. I watched some of his clips on what on TikTok or Instagram and stuff like that. And he has some pretty interesting guests on all the time. Right, definitely. It was kind of crazy during the pandemic to see the media sort of decide that Joe Rogan was like the new Donald Trump and that they were just going to try to turn him into like this Hitler-type character that make everybody hate him.

Yeah, they were trying to cancel him for a second. though, wasn't it? Yeah, got pretty intense there for a while. It feels like they kind of gave up. Yeah, but I think that, I think he proved himself, well, he was taking Ivermectin and they were trying to say, oh, this horse d. weren't, yeah, I remember that I was laughing. Yeah. Because I agree with Joe Rogan

because I knew about Ivermectin before Joe Rogan talked about it. Okay. I just got lucky. One of my close friends had an assistant from a different country, I think Dominican or somewhere, South America. Okay. And she said that

years ago when she was a girl like, man, she's like in her 30s now. And she said when she was a young girl, they had the same symptoms over there. Like the same symptoms as COVID or whatever. And she said their whole family, like everybody out there took Ivermectin and it healed them up like within like a week. You ever get COVID? No, never got it. You never got it?

So you never had to take the Ivermectin? You just knew about it? No, no. I've taken it for other stuff. What I did was I went to Mexico and I stockpiled it because a lot of my family members and stuff was getting it. My son got it three times. Really?

And because he kept training throughout. And you went there and brought back the Ivermectin? Well, one of my friends worked there and stuff. And he would bring a little bit at a time. Right. So, yeah, I still have some. I stockpiled it just in case I did get COVID or whatever. Side note, you ever go to Mexico and you walk by the pharmacies or whatever

and it'll just have a full list of, like, growth hormone, testosterone, like all the drugs that you would love to get fucked up on? Like, you ever tap in with it? No, I see it. I see it all the time. But I'll be too scared to bring some of that stuff back across the border, so I don't fuck with it. But I was in Thailand, same thing. Really?

The pharmacy, you can go get anything. Right. Yeah, it's wow. Going a little growth hormone on vacation. Yeah, you can do it, you know. But it takes like, what? I heard it takes like six weeks. It takes a long time.

It takes a long time. Yeah. But, hey, I don't think it should be, I think it should be like that for us, though, because if you take it responsibly, I think it's good for you. But do you think that if that was the case? Because already, like, I went to my friend's gym recently. recently my boy Bradley Martin, and he's got a gym that a lot of, like, bodybuilder type dudes work out on.

Clearly, these dudes are not having any kind of problems getting testosterone and growth hormone, whatever the hell they're on. You think that the laws should be different? Yeah, I think the laws should be different. I don't agree with people taking steroids because I don't understand it. I don't know what it is, but testosterone, yeah, I body produced testosterone. I think that, well, you can get it prescribed. It's essentially the same thing, right?

When people do steroids, they're just shooting up, synthetic testosterone? Well, I think from what I, the little bit I do know about it, just a different molecule or something that makes it steroids. Right. So I don't, I don't know much about it. I've never taken steroids, but I have taken testosterone. But I've, like in this, you know, LA world of high-priced doctors and stuff that I'm sure you've been exposed to at least a little bit too. I've had plenty of people telling me like, yeah, I got this doctor in Beverly Hills. He'll get you loaded up off growth hormone, whatever kind of diet shit that you need prescribed, et cetera, those those new diabetic shots.

You heard about those? Oh, yeah, I have. That's what the Kardashians are on and shit. Yeah, I heard about that. I forgot the name of Wikovia. Ozympic. Yeah, Ozympic and Wicoba, the same thing. Yeah, one of my friends, he's a big guy.

He does that, and he told me about it. I keep finding out about more and more normal people who are on. And apparently that the health risks aren't that bad, so people are actually, like, really loving this shit. I thought it was only for people that needed to lose like 100 pounds or something. I didn't think it worked for people. That's what it's supposed to be for is people who are like really obese. Now you've got people who want to lose 10 pounds so they start taking it.

Yeah, I don't know if it's good for them, though. I don't know how it is. But yeah, you can get prescribed almost anything here. But you know how America is you've got to make that money. It's not like at the pharmacy. You just walk in in the front like the doctor and everybody got to make that money off of it. But I'm just saying like there's a kind of like asymmetry here where rich people in Hollywood can go to these doctors and just get it if they want to cover some money. But then meanwhile, some gym in Ohio or whatever.

they got like an underground steroid dealer and he's getting busted and shit. So it's a situation where like rich people are getting to take part and all this shit carefree and then like poor people are the ones actually taking the wrist and shit. Yeah, it's fucking sucks man. Yeah.

Yeah, it's fucking sucks, I tell you. That is a weird thing. It's a weird thing. But you can get prescribed almost anything except for, I don't think you can get steroids prescribed though. Not an anabolical. But you can get, you know, testosterone replacement therapy relatively easily these days, I'm pretty sure.

But again, that's rich people shit. Like poor people can't afford that. No, no, you're right, because it is expensive. But as you get older, have you had that conversation with the doctor? How's your testosterone doing in general? Well, the last time I tested it was really low, and I got put on testosterone. Really? Yeah, it was really, it was really, it was in the 200s.

And so you were just on it for a period of time, or you're still on it? I'm still on it. And how is that? It helps. It helps. I'm on a real low dose because I'm not trying to be, like, I'm not trying to get my levels up to 12,200. So I'm on like a real low dose because I'm not. not really fighting and stuff right now. Right.

And then when I do fight, I don't think I can take testosterone anymore. You have to get off it. I think I have to get off it because it used to be okay. Yeah, for a while then. Yeah, then a couple of fighters abused it. But I think if I have a doctor note, I might be able to take it. Right. Yeah, because maybe Bellator has different.

Would you be going back to Belator most likely or would you be doing something else? I probably want to go back to Belator. I don't think Belator I want anything to do with me after my last fight. Oh, really? My last fight was a flop. It was just really bad. So it was my last fight on my contract, and I don't think they'd take me back.

But I like to do like some grudge matches, you know, since I'm old and stuff. There's a couple of guys that I owe some ass-kicking too. Who? For one, Van der Leigh, me and him, we fought four times. So we two, too. I would like to, you know, box him or something different, you know, so even the score.

And then Marvin Eastman, I owe him a rubber match. We're one-one. and the guy from the Ultimate Fighter, Darryl Shoddano, the guy I gave a nickname Titties. Right. Yeah, he hates me. And I feel kind of bad because the young kids, they think it's bullying when you make fun of somebody.

Right. So, you know, when I grew up, bullying, was you used to beat the shit out of somebody. I took their lunch money or something like that. Right. But now bullying if you make fun of somebody's shoes. And so people... Or you call them titties.

Yeah, I call them titties. But, you know, he started the whole thing. Right. You know, he made fun of me. I was just funnier. I like to joke around. What an unreal world we live in in which dudes who beat the shit out of each other

for a living can then be sort of shunned for talking shit about like their titty size or their shoes or whatever. Like this is unreal. Because you can understand if you work at Facebook or you work at some Fortune 500 company that yeah, you're not allowed to make fun of the dude across from you in the hallway of shoes.

This is the USA. This is the M.A. This is like, I mean, what the fuck are we talking about? Right. Anything goes. You know what I'm saying? I've had my page I've gotten like

banned for talk about beating up my opponent on Instagram they gave me a couple warnings because I was talking about kicking my opponent's

ass and stuff like that The world is really different now Like when I was a kid It was sticks and stones May break my bones But words would never hurt me Right Now if you talk about

somebody's haircut You're a bully You make fun of somebody's haircut You're a bully I just don't get it The other day I reposted We did a live podcast in front of audience and some some fan

filmed us on stage and I don't even remember what he said but I think he might have said something like oh man Adam I'm gonna fuck you up something like that but I didn't even have the noise on when I reposted on my story and I got a community guidelines violation because this dude said he was gonna fuck

me up and I didn't even hear it and that's honestly just my guess because I don't know what the fuck else he might have been saying during it. They took it down. I got a violation for reposting a fan's story of me. Right. This is a weird world we're living. Yeah, they're too strict with that

you know. They're too strict with that shit. But do you think that a UFC fighter or an MMA fighter when they're doing press for a fight? Like, what's over the line? Should they not be able to say, I'm going to kill you? Because I feel like that's been the line that I've seen people cross over the years, that all of a sudden

the executives want to get involved. They're like, no, you can't say that. Yeah, but do they mean it literally? You know what I'm saying? You know, because in the heat of the moment, like we're not actors, you And we're fighters, you know, even though I've done movies and stuff like that. But when you're in that mindset, it's real. All that shit is real.

And I will say in MMA, 99% of the beasts are real. Like, if they really mad at each other, they really don't like each other. Right. And so you're going to say shit. So I wouldn't trip if he said, I'm going to kill you. I wouldn't trip because, you know, I think anything should go, as long as they don't put hands on each other in the press conference. People need to look at

MMA like they look at hip hop in my opinion in the sense that you get all these other sports you get all these other genres and music where people are expected to be generally kind of polite and stuff but then rappers get given a long-ass leash where rappers get to say somewhat

homophobic shit, violent shit you know there's no other fucking art form of music in the world where it's kind of normal to say like hey I'm going to shoot you. Yeah. And in rap that stuff doesn't really make anybody raise an eyelash. So to me I feel like I would like to see USC treated the same way.

Well, I'm gonna tell you this. I've noticed lately that some rappers you know, been getting in trouble for like shit and then they use their lyrics against them in court. That's true, too. I think that's fucked up. Like other artists, you don't see that shit. And it happened to me once.

I got in trouble a long time ago, right? And then while I was still going through my court case, I'd knock the guy out and Vanillae. I knocked him out. And in the heat of the moment, I gave him a couple of more punches. I don't know why. You know, it's the referee's job to who you are.

I was just, I wasn't in my mind, my right mind frame. You did look like a fucking maniac when you did that. Yeah, I wish I didn't. I wish I didn't. But this guy gave me two of the worst ass-wopens I ever, ever had. And the day before at the way ends, he pushed me. And then in a locker room, I mean, where afterwards backstage, he was talking shit and talking about how I was scared of him

and how he knocked me out the times before. So I don't know if that was in the back of my mind when I fought him. But when I knocked him out, I hit him a couple, couple more times. And I had to go to court, I'm like, maybe like a month or so later after that, and they brought that up that, like, oh, you're a barbarian, you knock the guy out and you were still hitting him. And I was like, in your mind, though, is it possible that you just black out so hard that it stops being an MMA thing and it starts to just become like you're in the fucking bar fighting? Well, I know for a fact that there was rampage in

their fighting. I know I'm two different people. And yeah, it's like, when you fight somebody that has knocked you out before. The guy gave me two of the worst. The first time he need me in the face like 15 times. And the referee had to stop the, the referee had to stop the match. And then the second time, he had me hanging on the ropes. Like, this guy gave me two of the worst beatings

I ever had in my life. And so it's just like one of no things. It's subconscious. Like, I just wanted to hurt her. And that mindset, I wanted to kill him, right? You know what I'm saying? You think like, oh, let me, I'm going to try to kill this guy.

MMA is two guys trying to kill each other, but then you have a ref and a few different rules in place to make it so it's very difficult to actually kill the other guy. But in your mind, even when you're training, if you're doing jiu-jitsu rolling around on the ground together, you're kind of trying to kill each other. You're just assuming that these rules are going to prevent that from actually happening. Right, because you can kill somebody with jih Tzu.

You choke them out. Yeah, easy. You choke them out. Every time you train jih Tutsu, you get within five seconds of killing the other person. Right, right. People just don't understand. But the mindset, you have to be in different mindset to go against, a guy that beat you twice

because people thought he had my number. And so maybe that was what it was. So if Vanillae is listening today, I want to apologize to you. You know, I didn't mean to hit you that many times after I knocked you out. But that's interesting.

So do you feel like, let's say hypothetically, let's say you had like a murder case, they're going to try to use everything you ever said on camera against you. Yeah. But it's kind of like being a rapper, right? Exactly.

Every time you ever said, I'm going to fucking destroy you, I'm going to take your life and have to soul out you. That's the same thing as Young Thug getting on the mic and saying, I'm going to spray up your house or whatever, you know? Right, but are these rappers, are they really talking about crimes they committed in real life, though, or are they just talking shit in general?

See, that's the weird thing about it is that with Young Thug, it's like, on one hand, yes, it's very normal for a rapper to say, you know, I'm going to shoot at you or I'm going to kill your mom or whatever. Like, these kind of things that are super extreme are kind of normal to say in a rap song because everybody assumes they're not being serious. and most rappers who say those kind of things are not being serious, but then when you can connect certain crimes

and certain murders that it turns out were carried out by your associates and then you have lyrics that seem like they directly relate back to that. And it gets even worse when young thugs a little bit older, but when you look at these young kids in New York and shit, who are literally making songs telling their enemies that they're going to kill each other

and then they fucking do it. And then they make more songs pretty explicitly talking about it. That, when I see that kind of shit, I'm kind of like, how on earth would a court system not be able to use this as evidence? These lyrics are fucking confessions practically. Yeah, I think it's stupid as fuck.

I don't know if you know this, but a former UFC fighter just kills a girl in Mexico. He killed a girl in Mexico. I did see this, yeah. This is the weirdest thing. I was talking to him. I was in Japan. I was talking to him. He wanted to get a bare knuckle fight.

Me and my, one of my coaches, Antonio McKee, we was in Japan talking to him, FaceTiming on Instagram. I don't know if it was the day before or the day of, because, you know, the time difference in Japan, like, we're a day ahead. And it was right around New Year's. And we was talking to him.

Some regular shit. Regular shit, and he seemed fine. I saw him smoking a cigarette. You know, I'm like, I didn't know you smoke. What are you doing? Smoking a cigarette. I'm saying, you're trying to get a fight. You're smoking a cigarette.

He said, I'm just, I'm just in Mexico. I'm just chilling out. You know, he had been in Mexico for a while. And I had recently posted something, a comment on his page because he got me some type of gig. And anytime somebody gets me a gig, make me some money, I like to break him off. So I said, when you come back to America, I owe you money. And then they stayed up for a while. And then it was after I got back, I know some people said, he ain't going to never get that money.

He killed somebody. I like, well, quit lying. I kept telling people, stop lying. And then a girl slid into my DM said, yeah, he killed my money. said yeah he killed my friend and he talked out like wow so it was it just beat the girl up and that that makes that makes all of us look bad if you really think about it yeah you know that's scary that you know a professional fighter can actually go and and beat a girl to death because you'd like to think that somebody who's got so much training in martial arts would know how to control their superpower

right you know right you should you should know you should know you should walk around you know as a civilian and like try to avoid as much as possible. I've tried to buy people drinks in clubs and stuff so I want to beat their ass. You know, it's just a certain thing that you have to do. It's just a responsibility. And if I'm ever dating a girl and you get to that point where I'm like, I get it in my mind like, man, I feel like snacking this bitch. It's done.

It's done. Yeah, me and my girl were just watching the Dana White situation that he got into. And she seemed surprised when I said, like, I would never, I would not hit you. If you did that to me, if you smacked me across the face, I'm just so much bigger than you. And I'm not a fucking professional fighter by any means. I'm not like some huge, muscular dude. But I also know that if I hit you in the face, I might really knock you out.

And if you hit me in the face, you might give me a little tiny bruise on my cheek. It's just not an equal thing. Yeah, you don't think it's fair. Yeah, now maybe if you knocked my fucking two front teeth out, maybe my brain would snap and I might smack the shit out of you for real. But I don't really think that I would react that way based on like a little slap. Yeah, I saw the video. It didn't look like he slapped her back hard, though.

But he kind of, like, continued with it. Like, he hit her one time, and then he kind of... I didn't see that part. He kind of, like, mashed her down a few more times. But he does have the ultimate card to get away from this in the sense that she did hit him first. So it is kind of still him reacting, even if it's a much smaller woman, you know? Yeah, I basically, me, in my opinion, I don't think a woman should put her hands on a man. Just don't open up the can of worms.

because we're a lot stronger and bigger than them. I don't condone domestic violence. But, you know, I'm like, what Dana White did, what I saw, I saw them, like, kind of smack up back a little bit. Me, personally, I probably would just through my drink in the face. You know what I'm saying? Pushed her off of me. I probably want to smack the back myself because I've been told I got a heavy hand.

I probably would have the bitch out. I could imagine. You got big ass hands. I don't want to get hit with that. I got big ass hands. Yeah. It's like getting hit with it. a brick.

Because I got, my son is 22, and he's a fighter, right? And we play around, we joke around, and I slap him and stuff. And he slapped me back sometime because we joke. We're fighters. We're different, you know what I'm saying? When he comes to jump on, we fight in the house, just break out fighting, just make him tougher, right? But he told me like, damn, dad, you smack too hard. I'm like, my bad.

That's interesting. So you do that just hanging out around the house or just kind of be whipping on each other? Yeah, my son, he's an alpha. I'm an alpha, you know what I'm saying? He tested me before. Me and my son, we got in a real fight before. Maybe like when he was 20 years old, he sucker punched me.

He tested me. What are you doing watching TV and he just, pow? No, no. My son, he would have a problem. I was trying to get him to go do something and he didn't want to go do it. And out of all my kids, I got three boys, I got four kids, I got three boys,

I knew this one was going to be the one that test me. Because the first person I ever knocked out was my dad. Really? Yeah. How old were you? I was like, I was probably like right after college, was it?

It was probably like 21. Okay. And what did your dad have to do to push you to this point? Well, my dad, my dad used to be an alcoholic, and I was working construction for one of my uncles. And my dad came up to my job and stuff.

He borrowed my truck while I was working. And he left me at work. I was sitting down in the hot sun in the summertime. two hours, three hours after work, just waiting for my dad to come back. This, you know, we didn't have cell phones and nothing back there. And he comes back, he's drunk. I'm like, man, you're not supposed to be driving drunk. And I had my hard head.

I was taking him, I was taking him home. And he kept, like, threatened to hit me with my hearthead. So I swore at one time I thought it was pretty dangerous. And I had a flashback when I was little. My dad decked me one time and swore my eye up. And I told him, I said, I said, I'm going to pay you back for that, you know. I was in elementary school, but I was big, and I was tough. And, you know, I wanted to fight my dad back then, but, you know, I was too little.

I thought I was going to pay him back. And when he kept swinging that hardhead at me, I almost crashed, I pulled over, and I tried to pull him out. I said, no, you got to walk home. You know, he was like, no, I ain't walking nowhere. So I went around the side, and I regret this, but I went around the side, and I tried to grab him out of the car, and he grabbed my neck and started choking me. And I just flipped, and I just. I just flipped and I just

it right in the car it was right it was where he was coming out of the car he was putting he was coming out of the car he was finished he started attacking me and I and I hit him one punch and I lost my temper he dropped and I started stumping him then his voice in my head said this is your dad I'm like oh shit right

I was I don't know if I was trying to kill him or what I don't know but what do you do you just wait for him to come back to life as soon as I snapped out of bag and I woke him up and thank God woke him up just in time the police saw her driving by Right. And then what, you lie to him about what happened, so you don't have to accept it? Well, he did ask me, he said, what do you do to me? What do you do to your dad? I was like, damn, I knocked you out.

You have a nice window to lie about it, though, because it's like, you really don't know what happened. No, I wanted his dad to know that I knocked him out so he don't try that shit again. Right. Man, because he could have killed both of us. Yeah. You know, I didn't know he was going to hit me with that hard hat. But that hard head is hard. When you look back at that, though, do you have a kind of a warm feeling inside or does it feel like a dirty part of your life that you actually

knock your dad up. Well, it's nothing warm about it, but, you know, shortly after that, he got sober. And he, you know what I'm saying? He found God. He found religion and he got sober. And, you know, I like to think that that was part of his wake-up, you know, saying he'd get drunk

enough to where, you know, I knocked them out. Because if you really know me, you know, I'm one the nicest people on the planet. I don't, I don't like to, I don't like to fight. I don't like to, you know, have to beat somebody up. But, you know, I will if I have to. Right. Because I remember my whole childhood, my dad was kind of whooping on me. And then around like 16 or 17 was when I realized like, oh, when he tries to hit you, you could just grab him by the wrist and just stop him.

Like he's not as strong as you. You can actually stop him from beating you up. And then in my head, too, it was like, well, why don't you fuck him up one time? So he never tries to hit you again. But I never really had the heart to do it. Whenever he would like get pissed in me or whatever, I would just grab his wrist and just yelling his fucking face and stop him. And then, you know, now when I look back on it, My dad's like this frail old elderly man. I kind of wonder like what that would have done to our relationship if I had just actually taken it to another level and knocked him out one time. Although now that he's old as fuck, it's like, well, I guess I'm kind of glad that I didn't

have to live through that. But maybe that would have like changed the relationship. Like maybe that would have kind of set things straight between us. Or he would have become so fucking angry that maybe something really bad would happen. It depends on what type of dad you have. My dad, after that, he straightened up. Me and him, it took us a while. and we made up and he never fucked with me again.

But, you know, I was already grown at this point. And, you know, it was something that, honestly, it was something that I had been thinking about doing since I was little because the reason why he hit me in my face when I was a kid, it was nothing. Like my mom had a problem with me. I didn't have a good relationship with my mom, and him and my mom was recently divorced.

And he came over and she, you know, whatever, told him to whoop me or whatever. And he decided to hit me in the face. And I was like, I'm like, man, you was wrong for that. You know what I'm saying? You don't even know what the story was. And he was like, yeah, I was just trying to show out for your mom. And it made it worse. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Because I wasn't really liking my mom back then in those days. And so I never forgot that. I'm a type of person I can hold a grudge. But, you know, still, I like to justify me hitting him because I thought he was going to hurt us. I mean, it's the kind of thing where if some random dude talks shit to you on the street and you knock, him out you might feel kind of bad about it maybe you like feel like you have reacted or whatever but ultimately fuck him he was he was fucking with you is you can't really feel that bad about i really

wouldn't feel bad about i would just feel like you took a stupid risk because you might get arrested over this right right but then when it comes to your dad it's like there's just this inherent thing about it we this is like the number one person on earth that you're not supposed to fucking hit right right right right number one man at least it happens though but you write you write though it's part of it that's like setting the universe straight right like i'm the big strong dude now. Like, why the fuck are you still playing with me? The tables have turned, my friend. Right, you're right, but I would never hit somebody

just for talking shit to me, though. At this point in your life? Yeah, no. That'd be dumb as fuck. The question is just how far it can go? It could be scared. Like, if I'm out with my friends and somebody try to hurt me or my friends, then if I'm there,

if somebody really trying to hurt us, help that guy because I'm gonna go off. So if I tell my friends, if somebody fuck with us and he tried to hurt you or me, help him because I'm going to try to kill him. Right. And I just can't, if I lose my temper, I just can't control it. Yeah. You know, it's like self-defense, you know, I'm going to try to kill him.

If it's like self-defense, I'm going to try to kill him. So help that guy, please. Did you see Meek Mill getting into it in the crowd during the Boston match last weekend? No, no, I didn't see that. It was a big old thing where I don't even know exactly what he was arguing about, but he's arguing about sports. with a couple different people in the audience. And I don't think it really got to like a full-blown fight, but it was really fucking close.

And it was kind of wild to be like, damn, like somebody like Meek Mill who's got millions of dollars, he's doing great in his life, et cetera, could really get pushed to fighting somebody in the fucking crowd just from some... He said they were just talking about sports or just talking about the boxing match or some shit, which is like...

It's kind of hard for me to imagine getting to that point at this point in my life. Yeah, I don't understand that. It's Big Mill. You know, you're famous and rich as fuck. You should have, like, security going to even you know, boxing matches and stuff would you just pay for their ticket?

You got that much money, it's worth it. Now you can get sued, right? But were you rolling around with security at any point in your life or you don't feel the need to ever really do that? No, I have used security when I go to certain places,

but mostly the security is just so times when I don't want to be bothered like taking pitches and stuff like that. A couple times I've been to strip clubs where I experienced, like, I don't know why, I don't know why guys want pitches of me when I'm in a strip club when there's a bunch of naked chicks around.

But it's been a couple times I'm out celebrating with a friend birthday, I'm like, I don't want to be bother for pitches today so I brought security. Not for like people bother me because I'm cool. I get along with a lot of people, but some days I just don't want pictures. Yeah, definitely.

Because I was at the porn convention this past weekend and it occurred to me that like the security I need in that environment is way different than when I'm backstage at like a big rap festival. Because at a rap festival, I have security because it's a very real possibility that some rapper or one of his friends

is going to want to walk up and punch me in the face. Why? Just talking shit, you know? But then at the porn convention, it's like the security is not anywhere near as big and they're basically just there to make sure that the dudes don't get too creepy with the girls, slash that there aren't too many dudes

like running all around me trying to take selfies if I want to get out of that situation that I'm able to sort of like have some control over it, you know? And I was seeing how different it was when the security wasn't around for like 10 minutes in the way that the dudes were getting too close to the girl and shit You know, like when you have those dudes, it definitely changes the feel. Yeah, I was wondering why you would need security at a porn event.

I was thinking, oh, is he worried about girls going up trying to rape him or something? Well, some of the trans performers. I had a trans woman right up in my face, taller than me, and just say, I want you to suck my dick on camera. And I was just like, uh-huh, ha. I had to really check myself because I'm like, you're on camera, you're making a TikTok. You got to go with the flow. You got to just act like this is all good.

It's funny. You're not weirded out, whatever. So I just tried to roll with it. But I was like, in this moment, I'm kind of glad that I have security because this person might really be able to make me suck that day. Was she big? Yeah. Like muscular too?

Might fuck you up too. Hey, it would not have been a walk in the park. For real? Man, I ain't never had nothing like that happened to me. Yeah. I saw a lot of things last weekend. never seen before. Oh.

I don't know how I wouldn't, what did you do? What you say? What you say? Maybe later? I honestly can't remember what I said, but I was like, oh, I said something. I don't know. I bet he said maybe later. I have to consult the tape to see exactly what was said, but I definitely didn't know

what to say. Because there's a few things. Like, we had a fight on here. I actually showed it to you when we were at Brennan Shav's spot where. Oh, yeah. So we had one guest who basically called another host on the podcast. He kept calling him a bitch. and he just jumped out of the seat

and just started pounding on him because in his world, he said, he's like, there's just no possible scenario in which I can let somebody call me a bitch on camera and not react that way. Right, right. Comes from, like, a culture that's very prideful and I understand that.

Right, but sometimes you just got to... I understand, because in my culture, in my culture, it's the same. Right. It's the same. You can't call another man a bitch. And that's why... M.MA is hip-hop,

but in a sporting contest. Yeah, but even before I became an M.A. fighter, I'm from Memphis. Right. You just can't call another man a bitch. You just can't do something you can't do without, you know, consequences. But now a motherfucker can call me a bitch. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm a bitch.

All right. I let him. Because you just feel like you have nothing to prove? I got nothing to prove now. I got nothing to prove because I know that I can kill that motherfucker. I know I can hurt him. And I, like, who's the bitch here? Or at the very least, you break his jaw and then you've got to deal with getting arrested

and he's going to sue you. And it's like, you might be out like $100,000 or some shit if you break this guy's jaw. It ain't worth it. And at this point in your life, I mean, you do not have anything to gain from knocking out some guy at McDonald's. It's just the TMZ article is going to make you look like a psycho. It's not going to be like, oh, Rampage is a hard ass. Right. Then I can get canceled and it'd be hard for me to get, you know, the little B movie roles I'd be getting and stuff like that.

You know, it ain't worth it. Mm, definitely. So, okay, let me ask you this. When I look at how you sort of finished your fighting career by, like, 2019. was your last fight, right? Yeah. A lot of these MMA fighters, when you go to look at their Wikipedia article,

it's like all green in the beginning, and then it starts being more and more pink or red or whatever, there's more and more losses. Yours is not really like, you had a few losses sprinkled in there at the end, but it's not like you just got these like five devastating knockouts in a row that make it obvious that you should just hang it up. And then you had this weird little arc where you did one UFC fight

and then went back to Bellator. How do you feel about how you kind of left the game? Since you're obviously like you're still down to five, but you're at a very different stage in your career now my career has been crazy because I started off fighting in pride in the UFC for the USC paid for him I brought them and pride was the biggest organization in the world and and you're like the number one people person when people talk about how good pride was they're like fucking rampage and yeah yeah it was crazy then I went to the then I went to the UFC the UFC I'm

gonna keep it real then why kind of like zapped the love for the sport out of me. You know, a couple things, you know, we just didn't see eye to eye. And then I left the UFC when they took my Reebok deal. That was, they were sponsored. That was it. Okay. That was, they was sponsoring, Reebok was supposed to sponsor me first. And the UFC took it and didn't share anything with me. So I'm like, man, I'm leaving. And when I had my last fighting the UFC, you know, I lost that fight. And then UFC painted a narrative like I was retiring. And then, and then normally they, they, when you, when you've had so many fights, when you reach a certain level in the UFC, even if you lose that, you know, they'll interview you after the fight.

Like, what happened? Blah, blah, blah. They didn't interview with me. So they painted a narrative like I retired. So a lot of the UFC fans thought I retired. And a lot of the UFC fans wasn't watching Bellator. And I went over to Bellator. And I was doing pretty good in Bellator.

And this before social media is huge. So you're not as able to, like, get the message out to your fans that you're still doing your thing. Yeah. So I was fighting in Bellator for years and fans would still walk up to me and I so hate that you retire. I'm like, man, I just fought two weeks ago. And they're like, where? I was like in Belletoy. And they didn't know.

And so my career has been, at the end of it, it's been kind of weird. But, you know, I want to come back and do a few more fights. I want to do at least one boxing match before I get too old and I can't fight anymore. Because boxing is getting more popular now. And I just want to, I always want to try. I've done wrestling matches, done jiu-jitsu matches

and kickboxing matches, but I haven't done boxing. You know, that would be all the arts that I know. Yeah, when you look back at it, though, It must be kind of weird though, because now somebody gets into MMA and what they're going to be doing with their career is so much more solidified, whereas throughout your career you're kind of bouncing around between different organizations and stuff like that. Are you envious of the new generation that sort of like has a much more clear career path laid out for them in comparison to you sort of figuring shit out on the fly? Bro, you have no idea. The sport is growing so fast and people like Kahn McGregor make $100 million and stuff like that. that, you know, I would have loved that.

But I'm working with this new organization called UFL United Fight League and this guy, Harrison Rogers, he's like a big fan of MMA. He was training in the MMA and stuff, and then he just decided and going to doing business right. So he opened up his own business and got real successful. So now that he's very successful and he said, I want to start my own league and he's giving fighters

health insurance, life insurance, and stake in the company. I was like, what? that's never heard of. And he's starting where, you know, I said I can get my own team, and I can name my team whatever I want to name them, and I got like three guys in each weight classes. It's kind of like a wrestling match where, you know, you got to have like so many,

you get so many points for a knockout, tap out, submission, I mean, decision. So you got to, so your team got to score so many points to win at the end of the night. Really? Yeah, and I was like, wow, that can make it very interesting because, say, say, you know, it's really close.

and your last fight, you need a knockout. And the pressure's on that guy, and the people fall in the team, you got, hey, this guy needs a knockout to win. Or if he wins by decision or submission, he still can lose. The whole team still can lose. Because that's the weird thing about MMA is that the fighters, when they go out there to fight, they're by themselves. I mean, they have their corner or whatever.

But then we all know that, in reality, the way they train is more like a team-type setting. But then by the time they actually are fighting the UFC or whatever, you don't really see the team. until the speech afterwards where they thank all their coaches or whatever. So that is interesting. And I've always heard somebody said this to me a long time ago. MMA will never be as big as like traditional sports because you'll never have a fighter

who's as big as the entire like national identity of an area. Like the Celtics, the Lakers, you know? It's like the team changes out fully every five, 10 years, whatever. There's no players that were on the team before. But every person from Los Angeles kind of feels like they relate to the Lakers. Whereas it's very, very hard. And when you look at the biggest UFC fires, you look at Connor McGregor, like,

he speaks for an entire fucking country. Or like, you know, a lot of people find him charming for other reasons or whatever, but that idea that you're saying right there, of like a team, maybe that could kind of make people relate to the fighters more. Especially the people that's in the area. Like my team want to be represented by Orange County

because that's where I live. I would love for it to be like the Memphis or whatever, but I don't live in Memphis, and we want to train in Orange County. But yeah, I'm envious of these guys, are these guys because this like this level right now is right out the right out the amateur you know the next level right at the amateur so it's not like on the UFC level or better to a level it's like the purses is like right when

you first leave amateur fights and then so but but at that level to have life insurance and health insurance yeah and stake in the company I think that that's something I wish was around when I was coming up right so yeah I'm envious of of all these guys that these guys are a big Big sponsors are looking into the sport now. It wasn't like that when I was, you know, coming up. Do you think the UFC's got a significant amount of pressure on them to pay fighters more and stuff? It feels like it keeps becoming more and more of a conversation taking place publicly.

Yeah, that's what looks like is heading to us because Jake Paul, he just signed with PFL or something. Saw that. Yeah, and he's all about raising fighter purses and stuff. So after a while, the UFC, they're going to, it's the big show right now. It's the biggest, you know, where you get earned the most money that has the biggest platform. But these other companies keep stepping their game up and the UFC got to step that game up. It's kind of wild. Just as an outsider because I like, you know, it's been a long time.

It's been like 10 years. But I remember seeing Strike Force get big and then all relatively big and then UFC buys it. And then like I'm learning about it. And I'm like, oh, so a couple of years before that pride was popping off of the UFC bought that. The question is, is like, can they just continue to buy their competition forever? Yeah, I thought they had, um, Somebody, who would stop them? Maybe the FBI.

I can't remember, told them that they was trying to monopolize. Because that's what they do, the software companies and shit, is that there's always pressure on, like, Microsoft can't just buy all their competitors up because it creates an anti-competitive environment. Right. So I heard somebody got on them about that. But the reason why they brought pride is because Pride lost their TV rights in Japan, right? The Pride had some dealings with the Yakuza over there.

And then they lost their Fuji TV. And if you lose Fuji TV in Japan, it's like, if you're doing any type of sports, it's like killing your own company, right? So the UFC got lucky with that one. And then they bought Pride. And then they actually brought, after I left Pride, I went to another company. What was the name of it? I can't remember the name of this damn company because I was trying to stay away from the UFC

because Tito was champion and I'm friends with Tito and I was helping him train at the time. So they brought the company just for my contract because they wanted me to fight Chuck Liddell because I was the last one that he was trying to revenge his loss to him. Right. Yeah, and they kept buying up companies in it, and I heard FBI somebody told them to stop. Really?

Yeah. Interesting. That's crazy, man. Hey, can I ask you about Memphis a little bit? Yeah. Okay, so first off, what music did you grow up listening to as a young kid growing up in Memphis? Because we learned so much about all these classic groups

from out of there, but I'm wondering how tapped in you were to that. Yeah, mostly 3-6 Mafia and, you know, all those guys, Project Pack, DJ Paul. Do you ever meet Gangsta Boo? I don't think I haven't met Gangsta Boo. Okay. Rest and peace, man.

Yeah, rest of peace. I don't think I ever met her. I grew up listening to her as well, but I don't think, I probably was like in the same place where she was or something before I moved out here, but I never met her. Probably. So you ever tap in with the 36 guys, though? Yeah, yeah.

Me and DJ Paul, we cool. I see him every now and then, and he's up in, he's here in L.A. Right, yeah. Yeah, I've been around him a bunch of times over the years. Yeah, he's cool people, huh? Yeah, good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy.

Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah, definitely. Because, like, I mean, we've had this conversation, we have this conversation on that fight companion, but do you think that Memphis has a kind of dark energy about it? Yeah, I think, I think, see, I don't live there anymore, but... You still go back from time and time? I go back from time and all my family's there, but...

Okay. From what I heard, like after, what was that, Hurricane Katrina? A lot of people from Louisiana moved there and the crime went up and stuff like that and it's gotten worse over the years. Because when I was in Nashville, people were kind of worn, I was like, I want to go to Memphis. I want to say it was like out there. And some people were like, oh, man, Memphis is crazy. You want to go out there.

It's a dark place. Dark, really? Yeah, I think you just have to stay away from certain areas. Right. That's how I feel when I go there. I just stay away from certain areas and I make sure that I, you know, I'm in like a normal car

and I don't wear too much bling and stuff like that. You just don't know how to walk. But like I said, I moved away over 20 years ago and I talked to my cousins and stuff. My little brother, they keep me up to speed and stuff like that. But thank God all of them, they've been cool, but they say like, yeah, you ain't supposed to drive around

no flashy cars. You don't wear too much bling. And certain places, you just, you know, lay low. You like jewelry, though? Sometimes I get sometimes I like to I like to wear a little jewelry but you know to me I feel like the additional stress that I would feel as a result of having like you know even 10 or 20 grand around my wrist or my neck would just be I wouldn't like it I don't feel like it would be worth it I'm gonna be walking around feeling it more uncomfortable as a result of that jewelry yeah but you

know I feel you but sometimes if I if I'm going someplace on I don't know there's going to be some some some beautiful ladies you know what I'm saying I need all the help I can can get. You're a good looking guy. See, I'm a rough neck. I need all the help I can get, you know, saying, you know how certain ladies are they, they could, certain women, they can look at your watch and they can tell, like, oh, this dude got a little, you know, there's a little something to them. And then strike up conversations, I've noticed how different it is when I'm not wearing it and when I am wearing it. But I feel what you're saying. See, I never had a nice watch, so I actually don't know what kind of effect that has on women. So maybe I'm missing out on

something significant. Yeah, certain women, they know. But those are not the type of women that you try to get serious with, but I know you're already in a serious relationship, but those are not the type of women that you try to get serious with. Those are, like, the fun women. The women that can recognize what type of watch it is and what, those are fun women. Those are not the serious women. Right. I look at those women like ninjas that I'm trying to avoid.

Like, when I go to the club in Miami and I see these chicks who just have BBLs and they just stand around, just looking at dudes and stuff, like, to me, those are like enemies. Like I just assume you have the worst possible intentions for whatever dude I don't trust you I wouldn't bring you back to my house Yes, I would like to fuck you but I am not going to or pursue that in any way because I believe that you are pure evil Bro, I take it a step further if one guy BBL and big fake lips I don't even want to fuck him really no I don't want shit to do with him Wow I just for me in my opinion I just don't like the way it looked but I'm an ass connoisseur

I like real ass yeah you know what I don't have to be a big ass just have to be shaped nice, you know, because, you know, I like, I like to spend a lot of time in, like, Japan and stuff like that. Girls are not known for big asses over there. But some of those girls, they have, like, nice ass, you know. Yeah, because you have an Asian fetish, right? No, I don't have an Asian fetish.

Don't put the evil-me on me with her. Don't put the evil-me-rigabover. See, look. Fetish might be too much. Yeah, because, I know, I ask a girl, like, oh, show me your feet. You say, oh, do you have a foot fetish? No, I just like feet.

Right. No, but for a long time, I can honestly say that Asian girls were my favorite, my favorite preference, because I've met a few Asian girls that treated me really good. You know, they just have a different culture. Now, are we talking Asian girls from Asia or ones who are born in America? Both. I used to be married to a Japanese woman that was straight from Japan. Right.

And I married her for a few reasons, but the main reason was I was like, I'm never going to meet another woman that's good. They treat me like this. I come home from the gym, bathwater ready. put me in there, she washes me, dries me off, put my clothes on. And my food is red, I'm sitting in front of TV, eating food. Sounds like a masseuse. Dude. She just catered to me, and I didn't have to ask her.

That's the way she was, right? And that made me, like, go after more Asian women, right? And all of them not like that, but the ones that are very cultured and from other countries. Yeah, like Thailand and Japan and the Philippines and different, they are more like that. But now, you know, I haven't dated Asian. women in a long time. Right. Yeah.

Did you have to, like, intentionally get off the wagon, or did it just sort of play out that way? I just stopped, I just stopped pursuing it because, you know, now, like, you know, Asian women are like, it seems like it's a hot commodity. It seemed like everybody wanted them in their heads, like, shh, shh, shh, the heads are. The Asian women are big-headed now. Yeah. A lot of their heads are inflated, you know.

So it's like, ah, you know, it's like, whatever. And the whole dating scene has changed, man. I'm going to tell you, Instagram. And Only fans change everything. Right. It's changed everything for, like, the regular dating scene. I believe it. Yeah, because if you really want to get serious about a girl,

you don't know if that's going to be the girl that pressures you into marrying her. You know what I'm saying? You don't know if that's the girl you're going to end up with it. And then all your friends have seen her, you know, put dildos in her asshole. You wouldn't be able to handle that? No, I don't think. I don't think I would. Right.

Well, I'm in the porn world, and I don't know. It would be a weird decision It don't bother you It don't bother you Well to be honest I met my girl And she was a normal girl Who had never been naked on the internet

But at first I'm just dating her Not even dating I'm just fucking her And like we're just hanging out For the first couple months And she starts like only fans During that time period And I'm cool with it Yeah like be naked on there or whatever

And then we start to get more serious But I wasn't bothered by the idea Of her being naked on there And then all of a sudden She wants to fuck me For her only fans And I'm kind of just rolling with it And, yeah, so I kind of got, like, eased into it,

whereas I feel like if I was, like, a totally normal dude. But to be honest, I dated a bunch of porn stars before her, but I didn't really take them serious. So they were, like, really grimy, like really nasty 10-guy blowbangs on camera and shit. But I wasn't taking them serious enough to give a fuck, right? Yeah. So that's kind of different, too.

So tell me this. How would you feel if, like, one of your friends, you knew one of your friends beat off to your girlfriend? That's cool. It's kind of weird if he tells me. But it doesn't weird me out that it might be true. But if he tells you, that's when it's like too much. I mean, yeah, we're sitting there on the podcast.

He's like, guess what I did last night? I'm going to be like, what? Like, why are you telling me this? This is a strange situation. Yeah, like, if you beat off to my girlfriend having sex, then it means you beat off to me too, bro. Yeah. No, but I, like, guys think that girls won't like that.

But when I was at the porn convention, like, girls love it when guys come up and say, I beat off to you all the time, whatever. They love their shit. I mean, they're porn stars, but yeah, they don't mind that. What's the mind of a porn star, like those girls? What do you think? Why do you think that, you think they're like nymphos and they're just like? I think there's some percentage of them that really just love sex, like, so much that they kind of almost have to get into this line of work.

But I feel like a lot of the girls are kind of like MMA fighters, where they're basically just wherever the money's at, that's what they're doing. You know, like, I don't want to get punched in the face by rampage, but if somebody's going to pay me 50 grand to do it, I'm going to do it. You know, some of these girls, they don't want to have two dicks in their ass. But if there's a good amount of money on the line, that's what they're doing. So it's kind of all over the place, though, because I do know some girls, so I'm convinced. Like, I know this girl, Kazumi is an Asian girl. I'd love to introduce you to.

You're probably a great time with her. But before we, before she started coming on this podcast and stuff, she would regularly do like 50 guy gangbangs at parties. For free? I guess, yeah. Maybe they get her at Uber or something. Shut the fucking fuck her. I know, and she's super hot, so it's kind of hard to wrap your head around

why she would decide to do this. But I know it's real because, like, the guy who washes my car was like, oh, yeah, I was in a gang bang one time with her. You know what? I go to a... Well, you'd love her. I got to introduce you.

No, not my type at all. I go to a coffee shop, if it means coffee shop, and one of the girls, it's very attractive, very nice. You never think that, but she told me that she likes to get gang bang, but she liked to get D.P.

And whatever. Like, I think. I think like two or three guys the most. And she liked to get, like, tied up. I was like, why are she telling me this shit? And then- She wants you to get in there. I don't know.

It's not my thing. And then, but I didn't believe her. I thought, oh, you just fuck with me. It's like one of those coffee shops with girls half-naked. Sometimes I'd be naked. That's what I was thinking. The Vietnamese coffee shops are like prostitute places at the time, right? No, I don't, I never noticed in prostitutes, but maybe.

If you asked, maybe. You might be able to figure something out of them. Maybe. I just never go there for that. I just like to go and look, you know, I like to look and talk some of them cool, right? Right. But she, but normally the girls sit down next to you and lie to you,

so I thought she was lying until she showed me a picture. I was like, damn. Of her getting gangbanged? Well, she showed me, yeah, she showed me a picture. She showed me. I was like, wow, like some girls just weird like that. Like me, I would like to be with two or three women at the same time, so I would assume that most women were like that.

So I asked, so her girl, like, no, that's gross, I wouldn't have to do it. So I guess it depends on the woman. But say you're on the road, you and a couple of your homies, and there's a beautiful woman waiting in the hotel lobby, And she says, I want you for take me upstairs and all bang me right now. No, I pass. You're a little tempted? No, because I don't want to do nothing about the dudes in the room.

I'm weird like that. I feel it. At this point in my life, because I did that many times in my life. Not that exact scenario, but we used to always be trying gangbang chicks. And now when I think about it, it's like I would rather just do it myself maybe and just be on some cool shit. I don't necessarily want the homie energy and the sex energy to combine. I have no reason to do that.

Yeah, because what if something happens and he's smashing and he shoots and then hits you in the chest or something, shit like that. I definitely don't want any of my friends to have that kind of momentum behind their load. That's too powerful, bro. Yeah, that's like life changing. Then you got a load on your chest, bro, from your friend. Like, that's life changing. Right. And the first thing that comes up to me, too, is like, you got to have a camera in the corner or some shit.

Because it'd be way too easy for her to say, oh, yeah, I didn't want to do what they made me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And I feel like that scenario of it being multiple guys, even if it was completely consensual to a person who's reading about it in the news or maybe to a cop or something, they might look at the situation and think, oh, why would any woman want to do this? This is probably a rape or some shit.

Like, I feel like you're almost making it too easy in that situation. So, but then I think if you, like, set up a camera in your hotel room, I'm pretty sure that's illegal too. Yeah, yeah. So you've got to flucked either way. Yeah, you got a consent. Maybe you got to get her to. Well, that's a great idea.

Yeah, to get her to write something. But I'm going to tell you, I only did it one time in college. When I was wrestling in college, my teammates, he was a heavyweight. He couldn't get girls. And it was hard in college for us to get girls anyway because it was a co-ed dorm, but it was with a female basketball team. And all the girls was lesbian, except for one. So that was the case even back then, huh?

Yeah, it was hard. Female basketball players are usually gay. Yeah. Well, from my school. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know that. Brittany Griner kind of made me start looking at the WNBA teams and thinking like, all right, so y'all eat pussy? All right.

Yeah. Brittany, she's not gay. She's not? No. I'm pretty sure she is. She likes women? Pretty sure she dates women, yeah. She dates women, she's not gay.

So like I was saying, you'll figure that out later. Like I was saying, my teammate, he was a heavy way. He couldn't get girls. And I had this one girl that, would do anything for me. And she, I remember she didn't have a car yet, so she should ride her bike up to the school. And he was like a steep hill.

We always make fun of it. Her name was Amanda. We call Amanda Hugging Kiss. And he was like my best friend. He was like, man, you got to help me out. I had nothing while, blah, blah, blah. So I told her, I said, hey, you got to smash my roommate. He needs some.

She was like, no, I don't want to. I said, well, you know, can you do it for me? She said, only if you're there too. And that's, so that's, I tried it one time I was like split rows I was getting head while he was smashed from the back I didn't like it. I never done again. I'm like, because I gotta close my eyes

the whole time while I gotta watch this big, heavyweight like smashing this chick that I, like, I didn't like that. I didn't like that. Yeah, because all the times I did it in my life that makes me wonder like, did I like it? Or was I just so hard up for pussy that anything seemed good and I was willing to deal with looking my homie in the eye during it?

Doing Eiffel Tower. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, it's just not my thing. I'm very weird when it comes to all this, but I do like two, I like, I like, I like, I like two women. I wish I could marry two bisexual women. That would be a perfect life of me. I wouldn't never cheat on either one of them.

Right. Be the perfect life of me. You wouldn't? You don't think you'd get a little bit bored with it? No. No, no. No, if I got, if I got, if I got, if I got two, no. See, back to the thing you're saying by Asian women, when I think about it, like, all right, so my girl's Armenian.

So she grew up in this community where, societally, the way that they, relate to each other's a little bit different. And very early on, I started to realize, oh, she loves to clean up after me. She loves to cook for me. She loves to take care of me. And the first time that I ever brought her around my mom, and my girl went up to go get me a plate of food

when the food got served or whatever. I didn't even have to get up. I didn't even have to get up. She just brings me over a plate of food. And my mom says to her, like, why are you doing that for him? Make him get up and get his own plate of food. And I'm just thinking, look at what feminism has done

to our society that my mom thinks that she's doing something wrong by loyally serving her, you know, what would go on to be her fiance. And I understand where my mom's coming from because she probably grew up in more of like a sexist environment where she was, she thinks that that's wrong. My girl, she likes that. That makes her feel good to be able to do things for me. Right. My mom did the same thing to my Japanese when I was married. And I had to tell my mom, I said, mom, this is why I went to Japan and get me a wife.

Don't ruin it. Yeah, don't ruin it. I said, that's why I didn't marry no black woman. You know what I told me. My mom got so mad when I said that, but I was keeping the real. Like, come on. Like, I asked my wife for a glass of water, and she was pregnant at the time, and she ran to the kitchen to get it and came back. And my mom said, why you got this girl running to the kitchen?

I said, I didn't ask a girl to run. I just asked her for a while, but that's how they do it. That's just, I don't know why they do it like that, but that's, they hurry up and get you shit. When you ask her, I ask her really nice, hey, babe, can you get me a glass of water? And she just jog to the kitchen. Right. I don't know why she did that. Yeah.

And my mom was man. And then from that second on, my mom was in her head. And by the time my mom left, my ex-wife's already acting like a black girl doing on this. I was like, all right. So I got to hit you with this now, is that that is the stereotype about successful black men, is that they reach a certain degree of success. And then they, you know, go find a white woman or Asian woman or whatever. And they don't want to create a family with black women.

And then there's a lot of people in the culture now who look at that. And they're all about just encouraging black people to date each other and stick together. date outside of their race because they think that, you know, you need to create strong black families. You think, like, how do you feel about that? Well, I think that black people, you know, most black men, we are, we are, if we're going to date or marry outside your race, you already was interested in women outside your race. It's not that you, oh, now I got successful.

Now I got to give me a white girl. They probably was already dating white girls and Asian girls and Mexican girls before they got super successful and do any guy really, really want to get married? I think what it is, you find a good girl that you love and you real love, and then she's the one who, like, most of the times, like, pressures you into getting married.

Like, it's some guys that are looking for marriage and want to start a family and stuff like that. But I think that it's a negative thing that black women, it's a negative narrative that black women say, oh, once he got successful, he wouldn't have found him a white girl and stuff like that. Most likely that guy was already dating outside his race. You know what I'm saying?

I know a lot of my family members never dated outside their race. And so they asked me, like they asked me questions and stuff like that. And I think if they got super successful and they got rich, or if they played ball or they became very successful as an athlete, they were still married a black woman because they haven't been around or had access or been attracted to women outside of their race. It's weird because if I were to put myself in the shoes of that conversation, it seems like unbelievably racist and fucked up because I would have dated a black woman without a second thought instead of my girl. Like if my girl happened to be black and I met her, I would never have even thought about it.

You know, it would never have occurred to me that like I should be concerned about the race of the person. And I do not give, like if I meet a white woman tomorrow, say I was single, I don't give her any points for being white. Exactly. Maybe I would assume that there's some degree of shared experiences or like shit that we've been through maybe if not even from being white, but like say we grew up in a similar place or whatever. I could think, okay, you're white. So maybe we have a little bit more in common. But I'm not like in favor of that. Like that would never occur to me.

Right. My thing is your person or your soulmate or the person you found in love with might not be your race. Right. And I think America should just come up off all their race shit. You know, it's 2023. It's too late in the game. Like we are Americans. We all mixed up.

Come off the race shit. Sometimes it feels like the old goal was for race to not matter. And now the goal is for it to matter so much that you almost can't have a conversation without bringing it into the conversation, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think a lot of people are scared to be called a racist these days. And that's going on in England as well. Because, you know, I got a lot of friends over there.

My boxing coach is British and telling me, same thing. It's like they're putting us against each other. And you know, you got to be careful what you say. You might sound racist. Like, it's just, I'm just sick of, to be honest. Yeah, because I feel like if you're not racist, you should be able to say where the fuck you want, joke about whatever you want.

That's what we all did, you know, a couple years ago. Now the word seems to do it. Because you're sitting next to a cowboy when we did that fight opinion. Yeah. And he, I'm not going to say he's like a full on racist or anything, but he definitely says a lot of shit that comes. across as a little spicy in this day and age. He had one quote when we were on that thing

where he just goes, he goes, listen, I like all different types of ice cream, but I always end up with vanilla. And I'm thinking to my head, I'm like, if I was a more easily offended person, I could easily take that sentence to mean that he's fucking racist, but I understand what he was saying. He's saying that

he would fuck a woman of any race realistically, but he usually ends up dating white women. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But then when I'm reading about cowboy and stuff, he's got a lot of shit for saying some edgy racist stuff over the years. But would you consider him like your real friend or do you feel like there's a real gap between you

over the race thing? I'm going to tell you, I don't see Cowboys as being racist. Okay, let me try to explain this the best way. Same thing about Donald Trump. People think Donald Trump racist. Okay. Let me try to explain this the best way I can.

Give me a second. So just because somebody say some fucked up shit about another race don't really mean they're racist. You know what I'm saying? Like, say, because I've heard, I've heard my,

I've heard my dad, I've heard my dad called white people cracker before when I was a kid. And we, we didn't grow up with their racist stuff because we're mixed, like my grandparents and stuff

is mixed. So we was, we was taught a little bit different. And, um, and I don't assume that he's a racist because he's called people cracker before. Right. So,

like, who the fuck cares? It's just a word. Right. He, he, A lot of people don't know where a cracker mean, though, but some white person cut him off and threw a finger sign.

He said, fuck you, cracker, blah, blah, blah. And I got on my desk and I said, why you call that man a cracker? He's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he told me, son, he was like, son, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you get mad and you just say stuff. He said, that don't mean that I hate all white people, but I'm mad at that white guy right there. I always said, well, then don't call him a cracker, just call him a dude. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

But if you get an argument with a fat guy, you're going to call him a fat fuck. Damn right. And you don't hate fat people. I don't hate fat people at all. It's just you're fat. I'm trying to hurt your feelings a little bigger. Right.

So I believe that's what a lot of people, that's why a lot of people are. I think that maybe Cowboy probably would say some stuff, but is Cowboy racist? No, because the interactions that I have with him, stuff like that, I'm from the South. I know I know. I know what I'm saying? I wouldn't put Cowboy in a racist category like Donald Trump. I wouldn't put him in a racist category. I don't think Donald Trump is racist.

A lot of people try to paint him as a racist. And so I started looking at him. And I started paying attention to what he was doing. I'm like, no, I don't think Donald Trump. I'm not a Donald Trump fan, but I think that the evidence for Donald Trump being like a white supremacist is pretty bad. You know, they always point to this one thing you said about, oh, the Mexicans, they're bringing rapists and murderers or whatever. It's like I feel like it's pretty obvious that they're trying to make that sentence seem more offensive than it was. Because he's not a great public speaker.

I guess maybe he's a great public speaker, but he doesn't like speak in a scientific manner. Right. I think it was pretty obvious he was trying to say like... He's not a politician. Yeah. So he don't have that media training like a lot of politicians do. And when they was trying to say when he called the Chinese virus, like, he was correct. People called viruses where they come from.

But like I was just saying, I think it's a fine line that people need to understand. Like, just because somebody has said something about a certain race don't really mean that they're racist. But they could be racist. They could. But it's also, you know, they probably just, it's just a way they brought up. They just, they don't, they probably don't think about it. They probably don't hate all black people, but if a black person do something wrong in front of them, they probably go and say some fucked up shit. And, you know, a lot of, a lot of people are guilty of me.

I don't, I don't use, like, word cracker and honky. I don't, but if somebody is a cracker, I have to tell them, but a cracker is, is a racist white person. A cracker is, back in the slavery day was the, was the one used to whip the slaves, used to crack the whip. So that's what a, that's what a cracker is. A cracker is not a saltine cracker. It got nothing to do with no saltine, nothing like that. A cracker is a racist white person that used to whip the slaves. But, okay, if me and you became really good friends,

and we talked on the phone a couple times a week, and we hung out and shit like that, at some point, if you started calling me a cracker, just fucking around as a joke, whatever, I would not care at all. But there's nothing that would ever make me call you the N-word. No matter how much of a joke it was, no matter how much we joked around about race,

that's just a big, big line in the sand that I'm never going to cross. I'm going to tell you, this is how I feel about it. I think that's not fair. You know what I'm saying? I think it's not fair. If a black guy can call a white person a cracker and their friends, the white person should be able to call the black guy's a nigger. Because I take the power out of that word.

I don't give a fuck about that word. You know, even if a racist guy called me a nigger, I get called all the time. I used to stream on Twitch and you play video games. If you're a gamer or you're a black guy, You get called nigger a lot. Man, that word has no power over me because I don't get a fuck if, because if black people was mad about that word, we wouldn't be rapping it all the goddamn time. You know what I'm saying?

But it's just how America is. But I don't call my friends cracker. I don't call them hunkies. I just choose not to. Are most of your friends black, or do you have a mixed group of your closest associates? I have the rainbow. Like my closest friends took me all different. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't judge.

based off people like race and stuff like that but I live in Orange County where there's not a lot of black people in the first place but the gym I train that it's a lot of black people I have really close black friends I have one of my best friends is white and my one of my best friends like my brother now he's an Asian guy a little short Asian guy and you know my other best friend is my coach Antonio McKee he's black like you know it don't matter to me it's all about how you treat me and how you treat others around you because you know I don't care I I I know

100% that I'm not racist because I have a 16-year-old daughter. When you have, when you have, when you're a man and you have a daughter and your daughter brings home a white boyfriend, if you're a black guy and you don't give a fuck, that's when you know in your heart that you're not racist. Your daughter is full black? No. The mom's Asian? Yeah.

She's half Japanese. Wow. So how's your kids look? Because I notice that like black and Asian people get a lot of the attention in our culture for being very interesting looking. Yeah. My son, he looks kind of like Tiger Woods. But my daughter, my daughter is very beautiful.

She looks like she looks like she could be Hawaiian. Because like I said, I have mixed blood. So they didn't come out really dark. And so, you know, she's very beautiful. A lot of people say she looks like a model. When you say that your daughter was able to bring home a white guy and you didn't feel anything. No, that's nothing at all. Do you think that's because you've lived like a pretty dope life where you've gotten to travel all over the world,

You've gotten to meet people from every different walk of life. You've got to, you know, even just the fans. Let's not even talking about the girls and the fighters that you've been around and the media personalities. Even just the fans, you're consistently meeting people who love you and you're seeing the best side of fans all the time anytime you go in public. Yeah, and I meet a lot of people all over the world. I know there's good people in certain race and bad people in certain race, right?

But it's also come with my spirituality, like my relationship with the Most High God, and like my grandmother. You know, growing up, my grandmother looked white, and all her brothers and sisters look white, right? So that was our, and my friends down the street, I played with, their grandmother looks black, real black. And I was confused about that, and I learned that at a very young age that, you know, skin color don't matter. You know what I'm saying? My grandmother, she was still black, but she was like, she was in the day and age where she didn't have to drink from the black water fountain. She didn't have to sit in the back of the bus.

You know, she could go to certain restaurants as long she talked a certain way. And we were just taught different. Our family just taught not to be racist. Because the family that owned our family was really nice. They wasn't evil people. You know, they didn't beat my ancestors. They treated them well, even though it because a lot of people don't understand how slavery was. It was like a class system, right?

Like if you was rich, you know what I'm saying? In the South, you owned a bunch of slaves. Now, how you treat your slaves was up to you. You know, some people treat their slaves like shit. And some people treated their slaves better. And so fortunately, my family, we grew up and not to resent white people and stuff like that. And we just treated people for how they treat us. You know, I'm from the South.

There's a lot of racist people. And the racist people, yeah, fucking hate them. But the nice white people, we was cool. So carrying that on throughout my whole life, and that's how I always was. Like when I first meet white people, I am a little standoffish until I find out that they're cool. I'm like, oh, they're cool with black people? Then I'm cool with you. That's just how I am.

And, you know, you wonder sometimes, am I a racist because, you know, I don't open up to this white guy when I first meet him. But when my daughter brought home, her first boyfriend, all I care was like, does he treat you right? Right. That's all I care. I didn't care. Like, but her mom.

The mom is more concerned? The mom is racist. Against the white guy. Yeah, but, you know, she even racist against black people. Right. I'm her first black, I'm her first black, you know, relationship. Well, I think you should be insanely paranoid about whoever your daughter's day. no matter what.

Yeah, you should. But I've learned that, you know, I can't control it. It might not be a great thing in the long because if your daughter feels like you're super on top of who she's dating, it might make her feel like, fuck him. I'm not going to tell him what I'm getting into. I'm not going to introduce him to my boyfriends. I want to keep my whole dating life totally private from my parents.

Right. Which is kind of that, that's the bad thing. Right. So I just try to be open. I told him, look, anytime you get a new boyfriend, whatever, I got to meet him. You know, you got to be honest with me about everything. I told her, if you'd be honest with me about everything,

I want to embarrass you because I'm good to embarrassing my kids. I said, I got I got baby pictures of you in the tub saved up. I got all your dirty, shitty, shitty mess, diapers. I got all this shit saved all. See, okay, I'm just going to touch you as a dad. That's something I think about sometimes because I got a two-year-old daughter. So I have many years to go before I have to really think about her bringing home a boyfriend or anything. 15 years you got.

Hopefully 15 years. 14, 15 years. 14, 15 years. But it's like, you know, I could have a conversation with a young one. woman where I give her like infinite game on what you should be looking for in a guy, how a guy should treat you, what you need to be thinking about, et cetera. But it's like, it's probably going to be too heavy to be dumping on a 16 year old kid who's just figuring out how to like talk to somebody. I feel like that's got to be kind of overwhelming because you've got

many, many decades worth a game that you could be telling your daughter or maybe it would be better to just kind of let her slowly figure out what life is like on her own. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. You got to give it to them a little bit at time because I've learned that my daughter is not gonna even want to have certain conversations with me. And she don't want to take my advice. Like, where your kids are, when they reach a certain age, they think they're no-it-alls. But I try to get my daughter like a little bit at a time,

and I tell her like, look, you got any questions. You can always come and ask me because, you know, I keep it real, but what I do is, I don't lie to my daughter. I'll let her see how I am. If I'm talking to a couple different women at one time, I let her know. I say, look, this is the way most guys are. Is that hard to explain to her?

Yeah, because my daughter's a feminist. You know, she's got their feminist bug. She, you know, she don't understand. She don't understand it. And I just tell, like, look, this is the reality. Like, some guys, I like this. Some guys don't believe in monogamy until they're married. Some guys just, you know, they play the field.

And I tell her, like, if you don't want everybody knowing your business, make sure you don't do stuff with this guy. If you kiss this guy, everybody in the school is going to know you kissed him. That's just the way guys are. But if you feel comfortable with everybody know that you kiss you like this guy that much, you know, you don't care if everybody knows

that you kissed them, then go ahead, kiss him. Right. Yeah, because that's a tricky thing because it's two different things to tell your kid how things are or how you think things should be. Because in a perfect world, you'd be able to kiss however many boys you want and you'd be able to be free as a bird, experiment with whatever you want. The reality is that your dad,

judged by your choices in society and maybe society's not going to be as fair as you would like for them to be right two very different things right and I and I tell her like you know life is about making mistakes but you know you can't take you can't take them back so if you go too far with with one of these boys and you regret it and like too late you can't take it back so you got to think twice about it before you you know saying you you do things before you make out I can't use words sex where you know because because it's like she's too young you don't want to be encouraging her to go that far with it. And she'll cut that, if I say anything about sex,

she'll cut that conversation off right away. Like, I'm not having sex, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, she don't want to talk about sex with her dad. Yeah. You know, it's just weird. But I brought this coming book for your daughter because I started coloring with my daughter when she was around that age, and now she's an artist.

Wow. And it got me back into coloring. Rampage Jackson's Big Brawl. Yeah, we have been doing some coloring. This is pretty nice. Did someone approach you about this idea or how did this come about? Well, I did a comic book with a couple of those guys a couple years ago,

and I always wanted to be a superhero. And so I like coloring, so I told him like, hey, let's do a coloring comic book where you can read what's going on and you can color the pages yourself. And I said, yeah, let's do it. Wow, this is awesome. Yeah. Oh, and there's a grand prize of $10 million, but this is in the comic book. This is my, I thought you were saying, like, whoever does the best coloring gets $10 million.

No, no. I would have a contest one day, though, to see who colors the best and stuff. like that because I still enjoy coloring because I got back into it with my daughter. Right. So I like the color and something. I just one day I was coloring. I said, man, I want a coloring comic book. I'm getting back into drawing and even having me going to the art store and buying some

really nice markers and stuff because I noticed that when I draw like a Pokemon or a Sesame Street character or whatever, if I do a really good job, she gets really excited. And if I do a trash job, she like almost won't even look at it. So now the pressure is really on when I draw Pikachu that I got to actually make it look official. That's crazy. Two years old already? Yeah, and she can't verbalize it yet, but I can tell. Like, she won't even recognize it if I do a bad

job drawing it. Oh, for real? Yeah. Wow. Wow, she only tried to make it make you feel good about, oh, it's nice. She doesn't have that many words yet, you know? Who goddamn many words? There's only two. Two? She should be saying a bunch of stuff, but it's not like, she's not going to say, oh, that's a good drawing,

Daddy. Or that's a bad Pikachu, Daddy. That would be a lot. So, all right, what? In terms of your life and where you're at right now, what makes you feel the most content, the most fulfilled? Like, I feel like there's got to be kind of a weird path after being a professional athlete where for so many years, decades of your life, you were judging yourself on your wins.

And now that, you know, not that you're never going to fight again, but that's not as big a part of your life. So how do you derive happiness and meaning from life at this point? Well, my 22-year-old son is fighting. He's, he's amateur. He's undefeated. and, you know, I want to, like, teach him everything I know about MMA, keep him from making the mistakes that I've made.

So I'm getting a lot of happiness from that because his last fight, he fought a lot like me, and that made me so proud. He picked the guy up and slammed him. Really? Yeah, and he slammed him like a couple different times. Like, man, that's how I used to fight before I learned how to knock people out. And that made me real happy. So I want to see if I can pour all my knowledge into him.

Right. Damn. So to what extent? Like, okay, does he go around telling everybody his rampage of son? Or is he kind of low-key about it? I'm not sure. I think he's low-key about it,

but at the gym where he's at, you know, everybody knows. But I don't know. I think he's low-key about it. Like, in my house, you know, growing up with them, we never really talked about MMA yet. We never talked. I remember my two youngest kids, they have Japanese ones.

They thought it was normal that they thought everybody's dad was on TV. Right. So it was not something that we really talked about. But every now and then my daughter were telling me, like some people on her team, find out that she's my daughter. Because, you know, they're mixed. They don't really look like me. You couldn't look at my kids, my two mixed kids and say, like, oh, that's rampage's kids.

And do you post them on Instagram and stuff, or do you try to keep that more private? I have, I have posts that much, but it's like they did something to make me proud or their birthday. I have posted them and stuff. But I think, I don't think they go around telling people that I'm their dad. See, that's what's interesting is that, you know, you, like you're saying that you weren't really talking about MMA in the house and everything. on one hand I feel like there's there's two different ways you could approach that as a dad on one hand you could kind of constantly be

informing your kid about all the shit you've accomplished in your life and everything and a lot of dads would and then on the other hand you could kind of just act like it's normal because i kind of think that with this kind of stuff is like my kids already used to seeing me on the tv she's used to me looking through the youtube thumbnails and seeing me and you know like i feel like at some point i'm going to have to like explain it more but also i don't think i'm going to make a big deal out of it i'm not going to be like look at how amazing i am because i created this podcast i really would rather her think that i have a pretty regular life and maybe in time she figures out that that like, oh, other people's lives are more boring than this.

Yeah, yeah. I think that's what worked for us and my kids. They try to be like real normal kids. I don't think that they don't wear like MMA stuff. They wouldn't wear it. They wouldn't wear it and stuff like that. I think they don't want a lot of people knowing. They try to go and just blend in.

I've known rappers out here. Like EasyE's son is a rapper. His name is Lil Easy. Oh, for real? There's like a lot of rappers like that kind of they take on the ego of their father or whatever. Yeah. And it's, I've always wondered about that idea because it's, it's kind of tempting to stand on

your own as well. Yeah, my oldest son is like that. He's, um, I got an oldest son. He's 23 years old and he's getting into rapping. And he told me the other day that he opened up for DJ Paul. And I don't think he told DJ Paul he's my son. Really? But you would never guess he's my son because my oldest is I by now.

He's like, he got blonde hair and blue eyes. Wow. No skin. pigment. Yeah, yeah. And he, I don't think he'd tell people that he was that, did that bring around about challenges as a kid? Like, did he get picked on and stuff like that? Yeah, he, yeah, I had him, I got him when he was three years old, so he got raised most of his life in Orange County. And so I knew he's going to get picked on. So I taught him how to like make fun of people. I taught him how to have thick skin. So if anybody picked on him, he snapped right back and he

hurt that feelings. And that worked. So he wasn't, he wasn't coming home from school with his feelings hurt. He was coming home telling you how he made fun of somebody back. Yeah, but I noticed he didn't have a whole lot of friends. Like my other son, the 22-year-old one that's fighting, he had a lot of friends, but my older son, he didn't have a lot of friends. He would tell me, like, some kids used to ask some stupid questions, like, why you dye your hair and why you dye your eyelashes and your eyebrow? And, you know, he was saying stuff like that, the kids would pick on him, but he said he just jumped right back on him and they'll leave him alone. So a new kid will pick on him, then he'll make fun of him right back. But did you ever have the conversation with him? Like,

hey, if somebody makes fun of you bad enough, you got to punch him in the face? No, no, no. Avoid that. They avoid that. Because when he was real little, I had to take a male. I was a single parent,

had to take him away with me. So he knew how to fight. He went to the gym while I was training, and my teammates were teaching him how to fight. So I didn't want him to fuck up because he was really good. He could have been a really good fighter because they said, if you teach any kid, anything before they,

third birthday and I grew up there'd be a genius at it. Yeah. So I had a minute since he was three. So he was training Muay since he was three. So I noticed by the time he was six, he was already good. His form was better than mine. Right. And his technique, he was really good.

He had been doing it for three years. I've noticed that over and over and over throughout my life, whether it's like skateboarding and bike riding, the kids whose parents would get them into it at six. By the time they were 12, they just understood the language of how to move on that thing so well. And when I used to take jih Tzu classes, there would be like four-year-old kids rolling on the mats before my class. And I'd be looking at them thinking, A, this seems kind of stupid because these kids can barely do anything out here. But, you know, getting them started at this age as their muscles develop and stuff, they're really going to probably be in a position to be

very talented as a young age if they take to it, you know? Yeah, yeah. I was worried about him beating up kids. So I always told him just make fun of him. Don't beat him up because he was really good. He was a really good fighter, but he couldn't have a fight because his eyes twitched really fast. Really? Yeah, and I didn't want him getting hit in the head and stuff like that. Yeah, do you have that concern as a parent with your kid getting into it, knowing that head injury is just a potential part of it? Yeah, I worry about my son a lot because he's decided to be vegan.

And I don't think that vegan and full contact sports go together. And so I'm very worried about him, but I talk him about my defense. the thing that saved me a lot of my career and kept me from getting knocked out so many times to cover and roll. So I told him if you're going to fight, you have to learn that you have to ace that. And so I think he has, he's done

pretty good with it. So I'm not as worried about him getting a lot of head trauma. Because over and over and over the years, I've seen USC commentators say, oh this guy is vegan. He's been vegan for the past year and then like a year later they're not vegan anymore. I feel like it very rarely sticks. Yeah, so hopefully

it won't sticks with him. Hopefully, he won't listen to me. Yeah. Everything else here probably, you know, take what I say, but the vegan, like, no, I know what's right for my body, this, that. I'm like, son, you know, if you wasn't an MMA fighter, yeah, go ahead. But you're an MMA fighter. Like, he gets injured all the time.

He's always sick. There's nothing like animal protein. Nothing like animal protein. Let me tell you. I know. You need, especially when you're trying to, like, build muscle and, you know, and you're trying to, like. I was vegan slash a vegetarian for, like, three years during high school.

And I was all riding bikes, like super hard, like eight hours a day. and as soon as I started eating meat again, it went from like my body needing like three days to recover to like I was just good the next day. It's just, it's another world of muscle recovery once you're eating meat. Yeah, I'm going to show my son this part here. Because I've been trying, I've been trying to tell them.

I told him and say, look, I won't say anything if you show me one gold medalist or MMA champion, boxing champion, any champion or gold medalist that's a vegan. I can show you a lot of UFC fighters who were vegan for like a year or two. and then turn the back on it. Yeah, I want to look that up because he can't show me one champion that's a vegan. Yeah. Yeah, it's really bad.

His fucking kids. Yeah, they don't listen. You got like 15 years. Yeah. She's not going to listen to you. Like, she's going to be dressing the way she want to dress. Yeah. My daughter would be wearing like little short, skimpy things.

Really? I'm like, yeah, she tried to do something. I'm like, no, take that off. Put on something else more respect. But most of the time, she wears, like, baggy, sweats and stuff like that, but every now and then she want to wear some shorts that she grew out of. I'm like, no, you don't grew out of those shorts. Oh, it's going to be so weird, just having to be like, those shorts are okay, but those shorts aren't

okay. Or those shorts were okay a couple months ago, but you're bigger and you gained a low weight, and now the shorts are too tight, so those shorts are out of here. But it's going to be a fight every time. Yeah. That's a wildest thing. Damn. Boys are so easy.

You're going to have more kids? Yeah. Yeah. Boys are so easy. Boys are so much more easier. But one of your sons is fighting just like you. And then, you know, I feel like there's got to be some, like if your son is way different than you.

Like, do you think you would have had a hard time if you had a gay son? Would it be harder for you to relate to him? Yeah, it would be a big learning curve. Yeah, be a big learning. I would love them no matter what. But it would, I would just say, like, just, well, the same thing I tell my daughter. Just don't be, like, showing a fact.

in front of me. Even, even, you know, same thing with my daughter. But in my culture, in my family culture, we don't, we don't like make out in front our parents' stuff in a way. Right. And my family, so I'll just make sure you're like, you keep that, you keep that thing going. Just don't make it out in front of me. Right. I think that's be the main thing. But my youngest son is nothing like me. He's a genius. He's really smart. Not saying, I'm not smart. I think he got his smarts from me because his mom is dumb as fuck. But, you know, my son, he's like, he's like on an engineer. Like, he'd like to make robots and shit.

He's like really smart. And the only thing, the only thing that we have in coming that we both like video games. Right. But he don't like playing video games with me because I suck. At like what,

Fortnite and shit? Yeah, I suck at all that. I like Fortnite. I'm okay, but compared to him, I suck. My son, I think he's like under like the professional level.

Right. He's just really good at video games. I took a break from video games at like, maybe like 1998. In 1999, I was playing Tony Hawk 2

and all that shit and then I went maybe like 10 years without playing video games and once I came back to it and tried to play like first person shooters and shit

I just lost it. Like my brain grew up on Duck Hunt and Mario Brothers and so to fucking switch to Fortnite and have to be able to move and look around and do all this

I have to build like no I'm good it's too much. I know the building I couldn't get with the building but they got the no bill of Fortnite and I got back into that

it. It's fun. Like the video games these days, they're good. They're good now. You know what I'm saying? They're good now. There's like an old Black Star album with Most Deaf and Tulip Quali, and I think it's Tulip Quali, but he says something in the song, he says, I'll raise my son with no justification of manhood necessary.

And I think about that lyric all the time, because that's a nice idea to think about raising your son in a way where he would never have to prove himself. or would never have to like justify his manhood or anything like that. But I also feel like in a lot of ways it's kind of unrealistic because if you want to teach your son to survive in this world, they got to know how to fight

and they got to know how to talk to girls and they got to like, there's a lot of things that make you a man that you have to learn at a certain point. Right, right. I agree with you 100% on that. You know, there's so many different ideas and people, there's no like

correct handbook on how to raise kids and stuff like that. So, you know, you got to do what's right for you. You have seen people who like to tell other people how to raise their kids and stuff. And like, nobody likes that, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, my parents try to tell me how to raise my kid. You know, I'm like, you know, I tell my parents, right now, shut the fuck up. These are my kids.

There's no right way. There's a wrong way for sure, like beating your kids. And I think people are too strict on kids. Like, a lot of people don't understand it. Like, my ex-wife, she's an Asian-Tagin mom. Like, you know what that is, right? A tiger mom. Super into education and keeping them in activities and stuff.

Yeah, super strict, though. And I've read that when you're that strict on kids, you make them better liars. Because your kids are going to lie anyway, right? But when you're super strict on your kids, they're going to rebel, and they're going to figure out ways on how not to do what you want them to do and lie to you about it. And sure enough, she was doing it to my son. My son was turning to a really good liar.

and I have a different relationship with my kids because I'm proud of you you know I'm not going to I'm not going to I don't have to push them on education or or anything because she goes overboard and I'm just obviously I'm like I'm like real positive with them like I'm proud

of whatever you do whatever you want to grow up to be you know whatever because my ex-wife was so hard on my son he was threatened suicide you know what I'm saying so you just it just makes you take a step back and look at your kids different But is co-parenting pretty smooth from your perspective?

Do you guys have a good relationship in that regard? No, we used to all the way up to last year. Everything was good. Co-parented, everything was good up to like last year. Now things, me and her are not friends anymore. Really? What changed? It just got real?

Well, my situation was really weird. I married her probably like at the end of 2005, 2006, and then right before I fought, Chuck LaDelle, she filed for divorce. She wanted to get divorced because I had to get custody of my 22-year-old son, the one, he was six years old at the time, the one that's fighting. I had to get custody of him, and she didn't want me to. And come to find out later, she was pregnant with my daughter at the time. So I was already a single parent when she met me.

So overnight we would have four kids. So because she had had my son and my oldest, so we had like three kids. And when I got cussed to him, then she didn't tell me she was pregnant. Long story short, she wanted to cancel the divorce. And I wanted to get divorced over with because I was fighting Chuck Liddell. It was going to be my biggest payday ever. I was like, no, you just want to get a lot of money. Because you know I'm about to be champion and I'm going to make all this money.

She said, no, no, no, I approve to you. I signed some paperwork. She signed a post-nuptu. So we're going to fast forward 16 years, you know, and we're living together and stuff now because COVID happened and I moved us all together so I can be with my family because I didn't know what happened. I'm like one of the conspirators,

the type of person. I don't know what's going to happen. Well, there was a time period where everybody was scared shitless of COVID and a lot of people did a lot of irrational things that when we look at it now, it's like, why was my girl wiping down the postmates bags when we were getting food delivered?

Like, I don't really know. Yeah, there's all that craziness. I moved in with them and then some stuff happened. So I filed for divorce. So when I filed for divorce, like what 15, 16 years later, she got angry. She didn't want to get back together,

but I guess she wanted to stay married on paper because I don't know if she was lying to her parents or whatnot. So that changed everything. That changed our friendship and everything. I thought when I filed for divorce, we were no longer friends. Definitely. And then that drove a wedge between me and my kids.

You know, some women are, they try turning the kids against you and all this stuff. That's got to be terrible. Yeah, it's very terrible. I was going through all that stuff, but now I've, I've, I fixed everything. I fixed everything with my kids, and I still, still don't, you know, deal with her, but I just fixed everything with my kids now. Right.

How often you have a drink these days? Because this is a very different rampage than the one I was hanging out with on the fight companion. I was drunk as, fuck on the fight companion. I think I had just got back from Thailand. I had just got back from Thailand there. You have a good time. It was great to see you like that. Yeah, because I was trying his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his,

Thick boy. Thick Tiger. Thick Tiger, something like that. Tiger, Thick, a thick tiger, something like that. I think it was thick. And you told them that you didn't like the name. I didn't like the name. But the whiskey was good as fuck.

Yeah. Yeah, the whiskey was good at fuck. But I'm a casual drinker, you know what I drink here and there. But, you know, I'm not a big drink. And that's why I got tipsy real fast. But it's early in the morning for me. Well, you never know. Dennis Rodman came in drunk as fuck in the morning.

Shut the fuck up. Yeah, we had to start to fuck up. Yeah, we had to reschedule it three times because he kept being too drunk by like 11 a.m. That's a problem. You get a real problem. It sounds a lot different than your relationship. Yeah, no, I drink. I'm a casual drinker.

I don't go crazy over it. Right. No, I was just in Vegas, and I had like three drinks one night, and I'm fucking puking the next morning. I couldn't believe it. Was you drinking on the empty stomach? No, but I was drinking a bunch of different types of liquor. And also, like, my girl and one of the filmers also was puking, and I think that I I think that might have been some bad fish when we went to dinner.

Yeah. Because it didn't really feel like any time I've ever puked from alcohol before. Yeah, yeah. That wasn't alcohol. You only had three. And you're a casual drinker? I honestly haven't been really drunk in like four years. I remember you said you stopped drinking.

Every once in a while I'll have like, you know, two or three drinks in a night, but not really. But did you have a problem with it before? It wasn't the problem with alcohol so much as drinking alcohol and popping Xanax and snorting coke. No. Doing all those together became a little bit of a problem for a while there. When you had these three drinks that you didn't want to do coke and Xanax? Nah, I think that part of my life is way gone. You see, I've never gotten to drugs.

Yeah. I never, weed is the only drug I ever tried. I know so many people who died from fake Coke and fake Xanax that I don't even think I could ever do it anymore. Man, it's scary right now. Yeah. It's scary. Terrifying. Yeah, it's, yeah.

I don't want anything to do with it. Now like a kid, it's like, whoa, I can't take any risks with my life. Right. That was a weird thing. A realization when I had a kid was like, oh, you. You have to be prepared to die at any moment for this kid. Like, you have to jump in front of a fucking bus for your kid. And not because you, like, have to because society expects you to or whatever,

but because I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't do that. And that, in a way, I feel like I kind of became a man by having a kid because it gave me something that I would gladly die or kill over. Yeah, that's the, that's like the natural order of life. It's like, it's like almost like the reason why we exist to have our DNA, you know what I'm saying? It's the past on our DNA. It's the weirdest thing. It's like, it's like animals, you know what I'm saying?

It's like the weirdest thing. You're supposed to feel that way. And me being a fighter, I always felt like I was disconnected from other humans and I'm not in touch with my emotions. I'm not in touch with my emotions. Like if I'm stressed out, I don't know that I'm stressed until my eye started twitching. You know what I'm weird? I don't, I'm not in touch with my emotion, but my kids, it's the weirdest thing, like, my, especially my two youngest kids, my, and my youngest son, he's the only kid that I was there in the hospital, witness him come out. Right.

Because my other ones are like, you know, my college babies, you know what I'm saying? And I never saw that mom even pregnant, but my, my youngest ones, it's like a closer bond. I'm close to all my kids, but it's a different bun because I watched them ever since they were babies raised up. Yeah, that's one thing I'm super thankful for is that I waited until I was, like, you know, 37 or 30, 36 to have a kid because if I had gone through the process of having a kid with some random girl that I met when I was 22, I mean, I probably would have been an absent father. Yeah. I mean, realist, I probably would have been a terrible father. The bond is different.

Yeah. The bond is different. But I was fortunate to, it sounds fucked up, but both my baby mama was like dead beats. So fortunately, I could get to raise my kids and I had them ever since they were little. My oldest three, my other one was six. but they change me. Sometimes I'll be talking to my son, my younger son, and I get emotional, and I don't like feeling like that.

Like, we'd be talking about something, and, like, because, you know, I see them, like, on the weekend and stuff, and they're like, wow, you got tallest this last time I saw you. Especially if I'm busy, if I'm out of the country for, like, a month or two, come back and I see him, like, wow, you know, shut up. And I was like, I remember you was a baby, I remember him, blah, blah. Then I get emotional. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you.

Yeah, having a kid definitely made me way more emotional. and it's like it doesn't happen with her that much in the sense like there's there hasn't ever been a time where i'm watching her do something and i was so proud that i started crying but i was watching a reality show the other day about these guys who go out into the wilderness for like a couple months it's called alone amazing show and then they come back to their families after like three months and they're fucking you know it's it's like torture being out there in the woods and just seeing this guy reunite with his kid i'm sitting there on the couch crying my fucking eyes out watching this because this shit hit me so hard yeah I don't know. That's one thing I really like about having a kid, though, has made me way more of, like, a real human being again. You know what fucked me up? The movie clicked. What was that about? With Adam Sandler. It was, you have to watch it, bro. It was like, I won't watch it no more. It's been years since I watched it because that movie fucked me up because I was spending so much time away from my kids. And I was working and stuff like that. But it's about him, like, basically chasing his career and spending more time on his career.

and he found this remote where he can like, he can like, he was missing a lot of times with family so he can fast forward things. And so he can like just coast, he can coast through it and then he can be there for his family at certain times. Okay. And like when he fast forward, he fucked up a lot of shit.

He missed a lot of shit. He was like a zombie. He was there, but he wasn't there. He don't remember stuff. And then you have to watch it, bro. It has you like, it have you have a different outlook on spending time with your family.

like that. It's fucking never. I won't watch it anymore. Right. I can't. Because you ever, you ever find yourself, you're spending time with your kids, your family, and you find yourself sort of not being present, you're looking at your phone, you're trying to watch something on TV, whatever. And then, like, I have this experience over the past day because our power went out yesterday. So I can't use my phone and I can't watch TV. And all of a sudden it's just me, my girl and my kid, and I'm just trying to keep her happy, keep her entertained. It's a fucking weird feeling. Like, why? Like, I have all these other things that are in my life that are keeping me distracted from just zoning in on the most important thing.

Bro, I know I had to put my phone down, but now it's my kids. They got the fault. I'm trying to hang with them. They got the phone. And that's got to hurt because you kind of taught them to be like that. Yeah. Just from them modeling themselves after you, right? Yeah.

My son, always on his phone, always on Reddit. I'm like, boy, you watching porn? He's like, no, I'm in, like, video games or whatever. Make sure you don't join the N-Jumper Reddit. It's a wild place. He probably knows about it. Might already be in there. My son, he got caught watching porn when he was younger.

By you? His mom called him. And he got real embarrassed. His mom told me right in front of him, and I looked at him, he got real embarrassed. He was really red, but his mom is straight from Japan. Like, she don't understand. I said, listen, it's natural. The boy's going to watch porn.

And then I got to thinking, I got to thinking, it might be my fault that he was watching porn because one time he needed my phone to to type, to Google something. And when you Google, the last thing, whatever the last thing you was watching. Fat asses. The last thing you, I gave it to him and he looked, and he looked it up and something like that. And it was porn already, this last page I was watching. I was like, that might have been my fault.

I mean, he was going to get curious either way at some point, right? All I asked his mom, I'm like, what type of porn was he watching? That's all I wanted to know. He was watching boy girl porn. I was like, okay. I've thought about this a few times too because it's like, on one hand, you don't want to looking at it. But on the other hand, it's the most natural thing in the world. Then

realistically, even if I stop you from looking at it right now, how the fuck am I going to stop you from looking at it a week from now? It's like, it's not happening. They have a computer. They could use their friend's phone, whatever. Well, if you use your phone's, your friend's phone to jerk off, that's pretty weird. But just in general, it's like, they're going to find it. They're going to find. You can't share it from

me. I remember when I was a kid, and we used to look at those nudie magazine. We didn't have phones right then, but I remember them. So right now, I think it's better that they got it on the phone because we couldn't go and buy it. We to get new to magazine and I couldn't figure out why the pages were stuck together all the goddamn time. And then now I get a hold of, I go back and I wish I could go back at time to my youngest don't touch that.

Yeah. No, because you would like have one friend who had a copy of penthouse. Yeah. And you'd go over his house and just look at it together and just be staring at it. Like it was the most fascinating thing on earth. But what's in the penthouse? There's nothing really that extreme. That's the worrisome part is that your kid could start looking at porn and they go straight from

looking at a naked girl to watching somebody. do a gang bang right away. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, okay, you're free to watch that as an adult, but if you're a 12-year-old, I feel like you seeing a gang bang might not be a good thing for your development. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. No way to shelter them from. What's, what are you going to tell your son?

Son, don't watch gangbangs. There's nothing you can do. Yeah. There's nothing you can do. And you don't want to tell them that because that is alerting them to the existence of it. Exactly. Whatever you tell your kid, whatever you tell your kid not to do, think that's what they're going to do.

Whatever you tell them not to do, they're going to do it. My mom was telling me not to do stuff, but she didn't tell me why. If my mom would have told me, don't be sticking your dick in all these girls because you're going to have some unwanted pregnancies, I probably wouldn't have done it. My mom, my mom, she talked me about STDs and I've been good. That always, like, I still remember what she said. She told me, boy, everything that looked good to you ain't good for you. You know, my mom's real country. And that made sense to me.

So a lot of times I've turned down, I've turned down a lot of advances from chicks over the years. I'm like, you know, I just beware. And so far I've been good. And, you know, but she told me not to have sex, but she didn't tell me why. So I, you know, I've been fucking since I was young. I wish my mom would have told me, you know, didn't.

But at the same time, I wouldn't have these wonderful kids, I guess. But there are some things that your parents, actually are capable of grounding into your head though because like my parents scared the fuck out of me that I was going to get AIDS if I had sex without a condom and really like the probably 90% of the sex I was having for like the first eight years let's say of my sexual life was protected and then at some point I just started fucking went out of condom but they scared the fuck out of me for a long time there yeah yeah I heard I heard stories this one girl I was dating she was like I have to take a shot with you um before we have sex well

okay, that's cool. I like being clean. She said, yeah, but I got to watch the water fall off your dick. I'm like, why? She said, my mama said, if the water drip off your dick, then you got AIDS. What the fuck? I was like, that's not how it worked. The water drips off everybody's dick, right? That's not how it works. I mean, how do you even talk to somebody who has such a poor understanding of, like, how the world works like that? Like, what do you believe in fucking voodoo as well?

But remember I told you, I was having sex at a young age, So men and this girl, we was probably like 13, 14. One of the most shocking things the girl ever said to me was she sucked my dick in a parking lot. And then she rolled down the window and spit the nut out the window. And I go, what the fuck you do that for? She goes, well, I don't want to get herpes in my throat. And I'm like, I don't have herpes. And if I did, you would already have it.

It's not like swallowing the nut is going to be the thing that gives you it. I know, man. These kids need to smart enough. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. I think they need more sex education on the internet. Yeah, because you know the thing that really scared the shit out of me was when I went to health class when I was in high school

and they showed you all the herpes outbreaks and shit. I don't want that. It was terrifying. These dicks have like 15 fucking giant herpes on it. I would have done anything to avoid that as a 17-year-old kid, you know? They showed that. Yeah. I didn't take sex education.

I remember that class better than any other class that I ever took the whole time because everybody in the class was sitting there just all. just like falling down and shit because it was so gross. I want to get that to my youngest kids now. I want to take, I want them to take that class. I didn't, I didn't take that class.

To be honest, it seems kind of fucked up. Hey, but I have to remind, I have to ask you, do you know about the hard piss, though? You know about that trick?

Hard piss, no. Okay, so if you ever have unprotected sex or you break your condom, you're supposed to, within 20 minutes, go and piss really hard, piss really hard.

Even if you got to fart in front and, you know, one of those hard pisses then clean your dick off real good and you're good, you won't catch anything. Even if she has something, you won't catch anything. I've had friends over the years

who swore that they could take like alcohol wipes and like swab their penis down afterwards and that that would kind of like rescue them from the STDs. I'm not sure, but it's worth a shot. Yeah, but I don't see how they would get the end. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, because this hard piece, it cleans out your, what do you call it, Euretha?

I call it Euretha Franklin. I call it my Euretha Franklin. court. Yeah. Yeah. I probably wouldn't know it was called if it wasn't for Hank Hill on King of the Hill. I was talking about his narrow urethra. So he was having a hard time getting his girl pregnant because I guess his urethra was so small that the cum couldn't get out. That's bad. I'm pretty sure mine is like normal size.

I think mine's normal size. So I didn't believe it either about the hard piss, right? But I was managed by this guy in England and he read this book. It was like an old war book. And the general, whoever, I don't know, whoever was over these soldiers told them when they had sex with hookers. They didn't have condoms, whatever, to just do the hard pee and clean up real good right after.

I'm going to pee no matter what. Yeah, but I could pee a little harder, I guess. Yeah, I push it out. Whenever I get paranoid, a condom breaker, whatever, I get paranoid and I get paranoid. And I push it in that. He was the type of guy. He used to have sex with a lot of different women.

And even his girlfriend was right there, and he would cheat on her all the time, and she was okay with it, whatever. And he said, look, actually, she said, after I learned this, have I given you anything? She was like, no, he never brought me anything back before. He said, but before I learned this, I was bringing her home chlamydia. But he said, after he learned this, he wasn't given nothing. And then so I had to take a test before I fought.

I had to take a blood test before I fought. And I was in England, and I went to the, whatever you call the clinic. And I said, can I get an STD test as well while you take my blood? She said, yeah. And I asked her the question. I was told if I do a hard piss after I have sex that would clean out of my uretha Franklin, then I wouldn't catch the STD. She said, yes, that's true.

Really? Yeah, so I tested it out. It's supposed to be true. I mean, you've got to get whatever's lingering in there out. Yeah. One way or another. Yeah, I used to think that if I just jack off one more time afterwards. Well, that makes sense to me too.

It'll be good, but the heart piss is what I do if the condom ever break oil. or one drunk at night, I do something with a risky chick. I'm going to learn a lot more about urethras before we sit down again. Maybe we'll do another practice one day where I'm going to be a urethra expert. Yeah, yeah, teach me some stuff because I don't know much about it. I like it. Hey, man, I appreciate you coming in. I told you this on the fight companion or actually probably off camera,

but back in the day, like 2011, when I first came to L.A., we would go to the clubs on Hollywood Boulevard and stuff. And I remember standing out there just trying to finesse the door guy to let me and my friends in or whatever. And all of a sudden, probably somewhat drunk rampage comes out just looking buff as fuck, big old affliction shirt on. And I just saw you leaving the club with a couple girls. And I was like, probably maybe the first celebrity I saw when I got to L.A. So that always stood out to me. And I was in, like, around 2010 and 2011, I basically realized that the UFC existed because I didn't really know about it before then.

and I was downloading all the fights and watching all this shit. So you were like larger than life to me in that moment because I was like watching all the fights at that exact time period. So then to go on the fight companion and just run into you and... It's crazy.

That was a long time ago, huh? It was. I brought up supper club. You don't know what the fuck I was talking about. You're like, was that a club or something? Yeah, it was the one with all white inside, right? I think so. They would have like girls wearing all white,

like coming down from the ceiling and twirling around. It was a white couches. and stuff. You remember, you know, LA, the clubs change so much. That club probably hasn't even called that anymore. No. If I had a guess. Yeah, I remember going in there a few times. I don't remember having two chicks coming out with me, though.

Yeah. You had too many chicks you forgot. Yeah, you know, back in the day. Rampage, I appreciate you, Doug. Man, thanks for having me, my man, legend, my guy. Rampage Jackson, no jumper, coolest podcast on the world. Check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, Instagram, etc. Like, comment, and subscribe.

Honestly, this is probably the first podcast I've ever done where I didn't shower before the podcast because I was fucking dealing my house flooding all last night. Well, we didn't smell you, bro. You didn't smell me? No. I don't even have a t-shirt on. Damn. I was wearing this asleep before.

Damn, we didn't smell you. Well, that's good to know. We got to go take a picture, so we're going to be a little bit closer. But Rampage, we out.