No Jumper - Rich Rabbit on Being Black from a Mexican Gang, Falling Out with his Hood & More

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

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One of the most interesting people Coming out of this LA content scene right now I know you've seen them slamming the trunk And much, much more Rich Rabbit is in the building How you feel, man? Yeah, sir, I'm good, man What's going on?

She's just happy to be on this, motherfucker I ain't gonna lie Hell yeah, I feel like you really kind of Have evolved into like a person where I would have probably interviewed you a couple years ago, but now I feel like you kind of are out of place where, like, there's a lot of interest and it'll probably, like, really move shit around.

And I, yeah, I'll transition from just the music and shit and content and all that type of shit now. Hell yeah, but you were on the drummer before, right? I did a mic drop. Oh, that was, okay, because I was, like, watching something with you where you, like, mentioned it, and I was like, okay, did you know interviewing back in the day or something? Okay.

Mike drop. Makes sense. All right, so let's go from the beginning. where are you from and let's let's talk about your upbringing a little bit um i'm from la south central on the east side of the 110 uh shit i grew up uh both my parents went to school in west l a i went to uni paul revere brentwood all that shit over there and shit i had it to be honest i had a decent upbringing it just you feel me i just chose to do the other shit go to the streets around a little bit because as soon as you say

Brentwood, that's like one of the more expensive areas of Los Angeles that you could possibly live in. We used to get those choices pamphlets in the mail. Right. Filled them out. Send me over there on the bus. What was that like, though? You were probably exposed to a ton of rich kids shit that you wouldn't have known about otherwise, right? I ain't all that shit.

It was fun. To be honest, more of my better years came from being on that side. Growing up, the diversity, different cultures, all the shit. Definitely. So, but you feel like you were always kind of drawn to getting in trouble and shit? Yeah, low-key, just like trying to entertain being a class clown, just gravitating towards the bullshit, like average bullshit kid. What were your parents like, though?

Were they more on the straight and error, or were they into some shit? Yeah, my paosies. He's from Oklahoma. He came down here when he was like 17. My mom, a working lady, worked for the school district, L-A-U-S-D-R supervisor for the kids and shit. So were you actually getting in trouble while you were in high school? Hell yeah.

I used to go to the school, even from elementary. I used to go where my mom worked, but she ended up, that's where I transitioned to Brentwood from elementary because I used to always get in trouble. And since she worked there, they would just go get her. So she on the clock, she don't want to always deal with me just getting in trouble and they're bringing me to her on the clock. So she transferred me to somewhere. Okay. But how did you feel like you fit in with the goody-to-shoe-ass kids over there? Was it like, like, what was your perception of, like, their lifestyle and everything?

to be honest it was just more fun they uh more stuff to do more programs more activities for the kids it just open me open my eyes up to like different things i wouldn't education wise activities i wouldn't getting in the hood definitely okay so you graduated high school no i didn't i dropped out like um 11 wow what happened i just uh to me honest i just stopped going to school one day like it start from me stop going to class to stop pulling up to the school to the school school to just, I'm just unenroll and in general, just stop going in. What were you doing? You were just kind of being lazy or were you getting f***ed up?

No, I was just being lazy because I wouldn't really, um, smoking weed in high school and doing none of that shit. I was just trying to be a class clown going late. Bullshit. Yeah. I mean, that's a big part of being a teenager is you just- homework, all that type of shit. You just don't want to do shit. Like, if you had asked me what I wanted to do when I was 16, I probably would have been like, sit here and play video games. and listen to music. It wasn't that I couldn't do the work. I just didn't want to.

Okay, so where do you go from there? Is that when you really start hanging on the block and shit more? Yeah, because after Brinwood, I went to continuation school. That's when I more so start. After uni, I mean, I went to continuation school. So that's when I more so start fucking up in continuation school. Okay. So what would you start doing around that time?

Hanging on the block more, going to the park, kicking with people. I didn't have no business. and it's kicking the wood, all that type of shit. Okay, and you're kind of on the younger side of things because you're like 16 or whatever? 16, 17. Right. And so, okay, is that kind of when you get more introduced to the gang?

More so, like, in a continuation school, yeah, hanging around, stop pulling up to the school, hanging with the wrong people, more so, like, in my community more. Because once I transition from being in West L.A., it's like now I'm just in my community more often. So I just gravitated towards that. So you said like the wrong people, but like was that your perspective at the time or when you look at it now? Is that just kind of?

Not at the time. I'm just kicking it. You feel me. This is my crowd. But now looking back here, but not the end though. Okay. But like, so you're black fully? Yeah, I'm fully black.

And you're hanging out with mostly Mexicans at that time? Yeah. Even in high school before that, most of my friends was Hispanic, my neighbors, Hispanic. So that's just always been the crowd that I gravitated toward. Okay. Were you just like not around a lot of black people or were you just mostly around Mexicans? Or was there something like culturally that kind of drew you in that direction? No, it's crazy because it is like I was around black people too.

But most of my friends that I gravitated towards just so happened to be Hispanic. And then I just hung around most of the Hispanics. Okay. So it was more of like a coincidence rather than like black people in general or Hispanic people or in general, it was more just like the people you naturally were hanging out with. Yeah, just naturally I end up in class with them conversating or they end up and we ended up living in a duplex together or something. So you feel me, it just, that's just always been where I landed. When did it like start to be a conversation of like, oh, you're going to actually be from a hood

or be from over here? Shit, because I was in between all that, I was already from a tagging crew with people from my neighborhood that I lived on a block with other blocks. ground. So it was like eventually it was going to happen because we around here, you tag in, you're doing this, you're doing that. So y'all going eventually have to get, be from somewhere official. Okay. Yeah. Was it one of those things where like the whole tagger crew gets rolled up into the hood? Yeah. Okay. Damn. So were you pretty good at graffiti or are you just going around? I would never really like a tagging person actually, to be honest. I just was more so you feel

me to do it around doing my thing, other shit. Okay. Really a tiger. All right. And so at that point, like, did your life change a lot? Or, like, did you think it was going to change a lot? Like, how to, like, change? Yeah, that's when I fully just dedicated to the streets after that. Like, I started getting in more trouble, the juvenile hall shit

and all the other bullshit that come with the streets. What did you do to get you since the juvenile hall? Robbery. Oh, shit robbery. Was it like, it wasn't armed robbery? You just, like, took something? We hit a house. and somebody left some shit

and they end up going around the neighborhood seeing it in my front yard and boom. Oh, shit. So how long were you in there for that? Probably like a month. The first court day, they made me go back see how I was going to behave in that motherfucker and see how I can get a, because how I was behaving,

they said I couldn't go back to live with my parents. So they had to find somewhere stable for me when I got out. So they found my auntie. And after that, like about a month, I got out with my auntie, and then I just, after that, I got sent to, like, a boot camp program. Really?

And what was your attitude on all this? Was it, like, the end of the fucking world, or were you kind of like, whatever, this is sort of fun? This is an important part of my gang-bang in education. I was done, bro. Yeah, to be honest, I was just like, this how I go. Like, I just went with the flow. I get in trouble.

Take what come with it on to the next. What kind of experiences were you having in there that you hadn't had before that were you, like, finding out about a lot more of what the streets were alike and everything? Nah, because to be honest, juvenile hall and all that shit, it ain't like county jail and shit. It's more like a free fall. It ain't really as much structure. You run into enemies.

You run your little phase. You have problems, but it ain't like the county jail. Interesting. So then that boot camp, how was that? That shit was bullshit. I didn't last probably, but like two or three months. before because I was doing all that ROTC shit and all that, but I just end up right when I came back one day,

back to L.A. for a station, I just ended up staying and ran away from the camp and there never went back. And then somehow forced you to go back? Yeah, my, they was looking for me for a while, but they couldn't find me because I just was hanging out. My uncles and grandma and them was helping me hide and shit,

so I was just kicking it for a while. And then eventually that just... They just let it go because I turned 18, so it was like after a while, what can you do he grown okay and so that whole time period you don't have a job or anything you're just like hustling and shit hell no i'm just out in the street smoking weed at that point hanging in the hood with the homies all the bush shit okay and so do you you ever get like locked up for a more substantial period of time during all that not as a kid and then i went to county as a

adult but it still wasn't for like no extensive time for like two two months something like two months in the county yeah how was that that was way different than what you had done before, I guess. Yeah, because that's when the whole segregation come in, you know, you around only Hispanics, you got to use this found piss here or all that type of shit. And like if they look at you, you're black, but you're from a Mexican hood,

so you're basically Mexican in the county, I'm guessing? Basically, yeah. Is that get tricky? To a certain extent, yeah, but it's like a respect thing. If you're a person that know how to carry yourself, you won't run into problems, but if you just lose, you don't really, care about respecting others and how you move, then that's when the problems come.

But other than that, I ain't really had no problems. I had a little warnings probably because I walked past the table that was specifically for African Americans and I'm with the Hispanic. So that probably, I got a little backlash from that, but other than that, not really nothing serious. Damn, yeah. Because I just imagine that it must be like such a topic of conversation and it must be so like interesting to people because they're just so like just have a hard.

It's like a white guy being from a gang sort of like where they just, everybody like milk. Milk just draws so much more attention than anyone else like from Hoover, damn near, I guess maybe until recent memory, just because the fact that he's white. So I feel like it's got to be like a big conversation of like. To be honest, you would think so, but I feel like to be honest, they like that shit because really you get African American up in there. probably more strong, whatever the case may be. So really it is more in favor.

It's like a thing that we could use the fight. He good when it's time to fight with it. So that's really what it be. Damn. So and the Mexicans never, like, feel away about it? It is some. You could tell because little demeanors and postures and all that shit. But for the most part, I don't care.

But it is them few that for sure they, you know, with all that. Right. Because, like, I was on the podcast a couple months ago or something. something and I remember saying something like I said 95% of Mexicans in LA are not racist. And certain people at the table just seemed like they totally disagreed with that. And obviously, like, when I said that, I was talking about Mexicans in general, which, you know, gang members are like a pretty small percentage of the population, black or Mexican. Yeah, yeah.

And like, people definitely took issue with that. And I've kind of been thinking about that a lot since of like how much. the average Hispanic person in LA is actually racist. I can't help but feel like it's not that high a percentage. Like, what's your perspective on that? No, I don't think it's that high, but it's for sure some racial Hispanics, for sure. That's just how it come down. And they all races got it, but they're the majority.

So, you know, you focus in on what's the majority. So for sure it's some, but I don't think it's 95%. Yeah. I wouldn't even say 50. Yeah, because like even Moose Man comes down from Northern California and he's like, oh, y'all down here, it's super segregated racially between blacks and Hispanics and up north

that's not like that. And I'm like, I feel like you're talking about such a small percentage of gang members that actually even would verbalize their disdain for bi people at all. Like, it's just to me, I mean, yeah, there's like notable examples of like, you know, Mexican gangs that hate

bikes or whatever, but it just feels like even amongst Mexican gang members, it seems like it's a pretty small percentage. Yeah, it is. It's because it's like even now it's going, that just caused too much negative attention. So it's like maybe, and even if it was probably so many, they were, they wouldn't show it. Right. Because if you bring negative attention. And the ones that do, they really don't, with the ones that do that publicize that they are. Right. Yeah, because there's been times on here over the years where like anything, like if a black dude says something kind of racist to a Mexican or whatever, it feels like there ends up being.

a lot of social pressure on them to sort of step back from that because just in general, everybody doesn't really want to see like racial tension become a big thing in L.A. between blacks and Mexicans because it's just all bad for everybody. No, yeah. Nobody wanted to see that, but at the end of the day, a ball a ball or strike a strike. Right. Interesting. So, okay, like at what point you start thinking about rapping?

Shit, I've been rapping since I was a kid, like way back. but shit it just been ups and downs with it I'll take it serious then I'll fall back and I'll take it serious like but I just really started taking it more serious probably the last couple of years probably five six years getting more videos and just going crazy on the content and shit yeah because how old are you now 27 you're only 27 oh shit so the time period between you like you know exit in high school and then now is like not even that long it's like 10 years or less? Yeah.

Okay. So do you know anybody was rapping or like who was kind of, was anybody pushing you in that direction? Hell no, I was just doing my thing by myself, walking around with a backpack using garage band on the MacBook,

just releasing music like that on SoundCloud. Okay. And yeah, like did you, like when you first start to feel like people were actually noticing you and paying attention? When I dropped this video, gang shit I had a couple of the homies in there whips and stuff so I feel like when I

dropped that I got LA hood media to post it at that time Normandy man another page different hood pages that was around back then like 2016 17 whatever around that time all of them was posting it so that kind of gave me like a boost and then I was like okay let me just keep dropping now for sure I mean like would you say like the majority of the comments were basically like holy shit he's a black guy from a Sereno gang. Nah, yeah, for sure in the beginning. Because it was dudes like Niels-Zod, certain people, but it wasn't too many, like,

it was just like rapping and all that shit, Blacks Outsiders. Was your neighborhood, like, hyped to have somebody kind of representing them on a musical front? Yeah, I had a lot of support in the beginning, for sure, because we didn't have no homies representing the hood rapping. I was probably one of the first ones. We did have certain dudes, but wasn't nobody getting like no recognition. Right.

To be honest. We had rest of peace, Spanky from the south side. We got to be rest of peace. Definitely. So at some point in all this, like when do you start to like have conflicts with your neighborhood and shit? Because there's been a lot of stuff documented about that, about like you kind of not seeing eye to Iowa people that you came up with? Uh, shit. Really, it's all, to be honest, it's all music shit. Not even, it ain't real street shit. To be honest, it's just a bunch of jealousy, little girl, feminine shit. Niggas just can't. A lot of people just need to grow up. I was involved. I own up to my part, but it's just a lot of bullshit. I'm like, yeah, let me just separate myself. Because I can't just be walking around and nobody else shadow when you, okay, you see Paco come. around. We got bigger artists, which ain't nothing wrong with that, but it's like, I'm not a

follower. And it ain't nothing wrong with supporting people, but I'm just not a follower. Okay. So when Peso came around, that's when it started to be some... For the most part, yeah. Okay. Because people start choosing their size just because they see like opportunists. They just, a quick way to get on. You putting in work for all these years, and then they pan off when now opportunity come along. It's what it was. But why was there even any, like, tension between you and peso? No, not peso, the people around him

that been around before Peso. Oh, okay. A lot of people think I got a problem with Pesol and I don't. Okay. It's more so the people around them. But you felt like, so there was like people that were kind of back in your career and around you and then at a certain point Peso comes around and you felt like

they sort of switched up to go support him because it felt like he had more emotion or whatever? No, it's like dudes started, like they basically was, if you pay attention in the LA Icon interview, they start calling me like the bougie homie and all that. They started wanting me to get involved in their videos and I wouldn't pull it enough to be just a look like the cameo. So they was getting mad because I wouldn't really I didn't want to be

their friend. I wanted to do something different. I wasn't really trying to follow behind what they had going. Really? That's interesting though because if you're all from the same neighborhood, shouldn't you kind of have like unity? Shouldn't it just be kind of expected that you're going to pulling up and being in people's videos and shit like that? To a certain extent, but it's like, I got, I'm trying to do a different look in the end. I got my own way I feel like shit's supposed to be. I don't want to follow behind other people. I mean, like also, at that time you might not have known that Pes-O was going to kind of

become one of the bigger Hispanic rappers from LA, right? Yeah, yeah. So in retrospect, do you kind of wish that maybe you had just played ball and it would have been good for your career? I've been knew he was going to blow. I always said that I really wanted to, I'm probably one of the more so ones around there that I wanted the best for him and probably still do, but I just, I feel like I got my own path in life.

That's just me. I just want to do my own thing. Okay, so that dude, Mr. Keep at Hood was kind of like one of the main people that you had issues with at this time? And him too, because he got an LLC in my name and all type of shit. So that started even a bigger problem. Okay. And like yeah, because they were they were making it a thing about your name too because

Rich Rabbit obviously the rabbit part is like a reference to where you're from. Yeah, but that's a word. You can't take no word from nobody and say just because you from there, this like out of there. Oh, okay. So yeah, like how has to be realistic at some point? Yeah. Okay.

So like how does that kind of like culminate like in terms of the tension between you? Because I've seen that fight video. I'm trying to figure out like at what point like how much shit. had to occur before it got to the point where like people were pulling up wanting fades in the front yard and shit and basically that fight was just a random thing i was talking to keep a hood on the phone one day we just talking chopping it up when shit was cool way back and then uh he didn't even tell me they was already on the way to me while i'm on the phone with him so we just chopping it up laughing talking normally and then once they get in front he tell me they there i come out that's when the whole

video happened, I'm fighting, whatever the case may be, it died down. Don't, nothing else going on after that. I'm chilling. Shit just everybody go their separate ways. I slowly start just doing my own thing. I stopped kicking it with them after that. That made me more so realized, bro, these niggas, not my homies. So do you feel like he was being fake because he's having a normal conversation with you

and then they pull up and all of a sudden it's like they want to fight? Yeah, but I just, you feel me? I went off of that. I wasn't fin to tell him like, nigga, you're weird for that. I just stop hanging with the niggas. Stop answering. Stop pulling up. All the shit is doing my own thing.

So then that's when he take it upon himself to go to the internet, start running his mouth about me. I make videos back. We go, we start going back and forth. So do you feel now like is the hood, when it comes to you, is your head, like, conflicted about you? Or is it kind of, do you just feel like you're on the outs? No, yeah. I got certain homies that feel some type of way, certain homies that don't. Like, so it's like 50-50.

Yeah, and I saw you saying like that they don't even, like the people you are beefing with or whatever, they don't even really live there. So it's like it's like people who, like, I don't know if you still live there or whatever, but like you feel like it's people trashing your name that are not even like really. My point was I basically was saying like people saying you can't go somewhere when they don't even live there. So that don't even make sense. Right. Interesting. So is it the kind of thing where, like, do you think y'all are going to be able to, like, get through it? Or do you feel like it's just kind of done forever?

It's, like, too much damage done? Certain people, yeah, for sure. But as far as, like, keep it hood, hell no. Like, you got the LLC in my name. You didn't did all this weird shit. Like, I'll never be cool with you again. I don't wish harm on you. I don't wish death on you, all that shit.

But being cool, we'll never be cool, sure. Do you feel like you are kind of over the whole game? lifestyle to a certain extent? To be honest, I've been like that for a minute. I've just been chilling, just kicking back. At the end of the day, I'm always beef from where I'm from, but I still got to grow as a person myself too. Like, that ain't, that wasn't going to ever just be my end all in the first place.

I planned on doing bigger things in the beginning, but somehow just got sidetracked, but now I'm just, you feel, me picking up the pieces. Yeah, because I feel like there's a huge percentage of people that, like, or in the gang lifestyle that at a certain point just have like either like a sudden epiphany or like a slow realization

of like this shit just ain't really what is cracked up to be. Not even that. It's just like bro I just outgrewed certain shit like I don't got it in me just to keep going back and forth

to jail no more to keep just being on the block I don't feel like pulling up just to put nobody on to hear a bunch of nigs talk about the other homie I don't like all that shit I'm good over.

So that's kind of like the expectation is that you're not like a real member if you're not willing to sort of be involved doing all this like stuff that probably seems kind of immature and silly at a certain point. To a certain extent, yeah, but like to be honest, I don't care. Like, I don't. Right. Because like even the Anne Hefe situation, which obviously we don't really know exactly what happened in, in terms of him allegedly killing somebody in the DP. But like when Wack's been talking about that, Wack just keeps saying, like, this is why if you're a grown man, if you got something going for you, it is just the worst idea ever for you to still be in these situations because, like, again,

we don't really know what happened. But if the situation really was, the Antepe just happened to stop at the liquor store. And then there was this, like, fight taking place. And then he maybe got involved in this DP or whatever. Sounds kind of crazy. Even as I say, it's like, you know, he could have ended up in like a really life-altering situation just by still being around the mess when realistically, you know, he probably could have got out of there at some point.

Yeah. And then I, in the hood, all it take is wrong place at the wrong time. And a lot of that shit happened, pulling up to a store, just hanging with the wrong homie. He'd do something. You around for a victim or liable to his actions. Like, that shit happened all day. And I outgrew all that.

I didn't have a gang of situations like that end up me just being in the wrong place, wrong time. I didn't been in some dark places that I felt like shit I probably never get out of. So to even be here right now, even. breathing, being flourishing, doing the things I'm doing that shit of blessing. So for me to backtrack, I don't even think God would bless me doing that type of shit. For sure. Do you feel like they're sort of like turning people against you?

Like as far as like outside of just your little community? No. Well, of course when you go on the internet, you start talking about people slander in their name. It has seemed like that. But shit, eventually time just tell. Like people know my character. how I am or if you see me enough on the internet you'll be able to pick up on what's a lie what's the truth like I don't really let that type of shit bother me I'm so past that type of that now

specifically for sure because I mean I saw that clip of them on the food community or some shit and like peso and mr. keeper hood are kind of saying to LA icon like who's the hardest black essay rapper and I conspicuously your name doesn't get mentioned and that was weird too because I'm like did they prep icon on this do they tell icon not to say your name? Or like, why is Icon, like, not being... Icon on the payroll. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why are you not being, like, a legit journalist right there? Like, at least saying, like, yeah, like, you know, what about him? Like, as an interviewer, that's the perfect moment to be like, Rich Rabbit, he's doing his thing. Like, what do you think of him, you know? He's just more a pay so favor. So, you know, mentioning me, it'd be, like, poison, putting that out there. So it's like, why even bring his name up?

Just give it to do right there. So that was a moment. But to be honest, shit, I'm bigger now than I was back then. I'm doing better than I was back then, so I can't complain. Right. To be honest. And so you never had a personal issue with Peso? You feel like he just got kind of brought over to the other side by people he's around?

Type shit. It wasn't never nothing personal. We was always cool. We ain't never had bad words. We ain't never argued. Nothing. It's just shit. You just, it is, it's, it ain't personal.

It's just business. Right. So there's YouTube videos about how Peso allegedly hood hop from Florentia to play Boys, is that like something you ever had an opinion about or were concerned about or whatever? I ain't going to lie. He wasn't officially from there. But, you know, hanging around long enough, it could look a certain way. And to come to where we are from where you came from, it would look kind of like crazy in the masses.

But if your music hard, they don't care. You feel me? If you got some word looking at or you good at what you do, that'll overpower whatever accusations or whatever. Right. I did look at it weird, but it's like, bro, nobody else care. So why should I sit here and make a problem out of it? Nobody else care. Right.

Because that's like the weird thing about gang culture is that there's nothing in like, you know, in the USA we have the fucking constitution and the bill of rights. But in gang banging, there's like there's nothing that says like, hey, the thing that you did when you were 14 shouldn't really impact how you're viewed at 24 or whatever, which is like you kind of constantly see examples of that and it's like you know if he was like throwing up some gang sign but he wasn't actually from that hood or whatever when he was younger it's kind of like I mean who gives a fuck right like it's just like kids do crazy shit you know I would hate to have the shit that I said when I was 14 held against me as a grown man no yeah yeah so yeah people but it it all depends because when you look at it from that aspect yeah but when you coming from the hood and you know like certain things should be instilled in you from the gig goes and certain things should just automatically in your head be like that's a no-no. Like, because I had plenty of times to where my family, all my family, majority, not all,

but majority of my family from Hoover, I had times of where they tried to tell me they was going to come pick me up, take me to get put off and go get put on over there. And I, I wasn't going forward at a young age. And it's like, it's hard to make excuses for certain people when you, like. Wow, that's interesting. Can you imagine being from Hoover? Would that be like, imagine if that it actually happened? Like, would you just have to go along with it at a certain point?

I would have felt like dumb. Like, look what I'm doing now. Having to explain myself, like, all that type of shit. It just wouldn't feel right. Me as a person going somewhere else after I know these actually, my friends I grew up with, we didn't have been through real life shit. So I'm going to stay loyal to them. Yeah.

The shit would pastele is weird from my perspective, too, because I felt like we had a cool relationship. And then I don't even, I feel like his reason for hating on numbers just because we interviewed Nortezos, which to me is like, you don't even know who the any of these dudes are. To me, it's like make-believe op shit. Like, you've never been around these people. You've never seen them in real life.

Like, I'm a fucking interviewer. Obviously, it's like, you know, none of these black gangs hold it against each other that, like, you know, when I'm interviewing Hoover is like, they don't trip about the fact they know I'm going to be interviewing CMAQ the next day and vice versa. And to me, that just feels like such a, like an immature response that I wouldn't him expected and also feels like I can't think of any other Mexican rappers who have like given a fuck about that. I don't know why like

Peso would take that on as his like crusade to try to control who no jumper has conversations with. That nigga Ann said something. It always stuck with me like it just be like poison, judging poison. Like every, you out here may you'll be bothered by something but then you come to find out the person that's bothered by, it got accusations or it's something on him or like everybody got something to say about somebody

at the end of the day. That's interesting. Like it's shit people can say about him. It's shit people can say about me. Like all of us got shit, you feel what I mean? That's just how I go. So you're saying that like Peso might be like talking down about no jumper

because he doesn't want attention drawn to whatever the other shit that they were saying about him was? No, basically like I don't feel like he should be sitting here making problems out of anybody you feel me doing anything when he got certain things on his jacket that people could make a big deal about yeah could be putting the spotlight on

right and it's like you're a rapper you're trying to get as many eyeballs on you as possible and for some reason you've like ex yourself out of the no jumper situation and now you got to go do hoodstocks yeah I'd rather come here than hoodstocks yeah I mean I was what I'm saying like if your goal is to be like a bigger rapper and to be exposed to a bigger audience

you know like why you know if you could be in fucking Neiman Marcus or you you could be at the sweatshop or the swap meet. It ain't nothing wrong with going to hood stocks either, but like why make it a problem even to where you can come here and get your shit off? You don't got to come here and just be a piece of shit and save bullshit and all.

You can just get your shit off and go on a bunch of business. Look, as people come on here all the time and don't really divulge anything that could get them in trouble. And the people who like do, it's like mostly of their own volition, like their own choice. Like, you know, even if I were to ask you some crazy shit about when you were younger, if I said, like, so back in the day, like, we... I'd rather not talk about it.

Yeah, if I was, were you shooting people? What, what level of gangbanging did you obtain? What was your XP level? It's like, you could obviously just say, I ain't talking about that, you know. A lot of dudes get in front of these cameras, man, they just become a whole other person. And in the hood, too, that... A big thing in the hood is manipulation. That's why a lot of dudes like the art of war.

It's about who could get... Who could lie the best and get away with it. with it. That's really what it is. Who gets in hold a poker phase while they're doing it. Yeah, yeah. No, that's definitely true. That is like kind of insane that that's like the one book that every rapper will name when it comes to like identifying it. And it is like, it's not a book about like how to be a good person at all. It's a book about how to get your way by manipulating people and being really, really tactical. But you can learn a lot of important stuff from it. But it does feel kind of one side of. Yeah. Because I used to be like, I used to post the quotes and get

into it and then I just sat back one day and I realized like this shit just really show you how to really be evil but you can use it for good as well too but if a motherfucker really just get caught up in that you'll really be an evil motherfucker yeah there's like you know what I always think about is like one of the the laws or whatever is basically like uh if you're gonna go to war with somebody don't just like do some damage like destroy them completely and when I always think about like 50 cent with that because he was beefing with Young Buck and shit and like I've never seen anybody like really be that petty with somebody ever.

Like if it was me, I just would not continue the beef the way that he has and just like really trying to destroy every element of his life and drain him financially and spread crazy rumors which true or not true. Like I don't know. I mean, but that is kind of the mentality that somebody like would end up with

based on reading that shit. He probably like the only people that could do that shit too, 50 cent. You feel like, I feel like if anybody else do that, eventually, like, people get tired of you. Yeah. And you'll run out the shit to talk about. Yeah, because that's how I feel with, like, you know, the fact that I have certain ex-hosts that I still, like, run my mouth about from time to time and really try to draw attention to their failures. And- hit me up too this week. They did? Yeah. Yeah, they're thirsty as far. They probably, like, they're probably, like, heard it through the grave on you're coming on here. But, like, you know,

like, it's like at a certain point it feels like the audience is not really intrigued with hearing me shit on T-Rail when he's obviously like not in a position of strength. Because he got one arm. And also he just fell off.

You know, it's like, it's like, people don't really want to see me keep grinding away at somebody who to them seems like a fucking corpse at this point. To be honest, I watch all y'all shit and I feel like you got to talk about it because it happened in the, in,

I'm afraid. So, like, we want to hear about what's going on and how they left, the issues and shit. I feel like that's probably even, like, my pet peeve are watching them because I watch it. But, like, when they start bringing up shit about you and T-Rail's, like, that guy and all that, like, bro, just say his name. We were, like, you might as well. Right. I'm your fucking dad. Like, I'm the basis of your whole career, man.

Like, what the f I mean, yeah, actually, dude's platform. We got the logo right there, although now we have some chicken sauce in front of it. Like we want to hear about this shit. Like don't run from it. Like if you say some shit, unless it's like some incriminating shit, like I'll talk about it. But other than that, like I ain't really running from nothing to be honest. No, definitely.

Yeah. But I think one thing with 50 is he's like really, really funny. And then also he'll go crazy on somebody and then he'll fall back for a while. Like, you know, at certain points he's just gone nuclear on Diddy, but then he'll take a year off and you won't hear him talk about that specific topic or then boom it's wendy williams and he'll have like a whole flurry a post and then he'll just back off from it for a little while and like i don't know i feel like that that probably just posted something the other day too yeah that red room picture oh yeah well i mean that's the easiest content for him to make because this baby mom

out here fucking slide digler and ditty there's a little there's a little weiner that was crazy that was the first time i actually because because i interviewed a girl on plug talk who basically told me she was in an orgy with Diddy. And I was like, is it true that he got like a three inch dick? And she was like, no, you're totally normal. And then I seen that video. I'm like, that bitch was lying because that thing looked brutal. There's some cold freaks out here.

Yeah. I don't know that. If I was Diddy and if I had a micro, I feel like it is like, is it that weird if you have a micro penis to like enlist somebody with a bigger to bang your girl for you? See, I ain't in all that. I don't know, man. They're into some different type of shit.

Yeah. I mean, I feel like being a Molly head is like the worst drug you could possibly do as somebody with a micro because that shit makes you shit. They say he was off Molly? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. See, when you go off them high-powered drugs and just do strange shit. All that shit.

Coke, Molly, it all just makes you do. Yeah, I just smoke weed and dab. I'm good off the other stuff. You were never going hard with like hard drugs? Nah. You feel me? I have my Zan epidemic when that shit was popping. Good old days.

But other than that, like, um, I ain't really getting in and then. Really? You don't think you got like an addicted personality? I think that's more so why I don't do other things because I know like I'll fuck around. I end up on Skid Row or something if I was off some meth and some shit.

Yeah, no, definitely. I was thinking about that the other day that like one day when I have to teach my kid about drugs, I'm going to drive her to Skid Row and I'm just going to drive her. First I'm going to go to 6th Street and I'm going to show her where I used to live and I'm going to say, you see this club across the street?

We used to be in here doing drugs, all the fucking time. And then I'm going to go around the corner, drive a half a mile down the street and be like, this is Skid Row. And I'm going to tell her like an old wife's tale that I used to hear,

which I don't actually think is true, which is that like some people would be doing Coke in these bars and these clubs. And then when the clubs close at two in the morning, they would walk to Skid Row and then never leave. Oh, no. And just start doing drugs in there. And then all of a sudden you just never even go back to your house,

which I'm going to tell her that. I don't actually know if that's true. But I'm going to tell her that for sure, just to kind of paint the picture of, like how dangerous drugs can be. Hopefully it work. That reminds me a scenario, bro. My uncle, when I was a kid,

he took me downtown to the criminal court building on Hill Street. And we sat there all day because I was fucking up. And my mom didn't know what to do with me one day. And I just went to my grandma house and my uncle was there. And he's like, man, we're going to take the bus and we're going to go to the court building. So we just went up there, went to like a random floor, sat there all day, watched like court cases. People get sentenced, relieved.

whatever the case, whoop-to-whoop. And he just told me, like, at the end, like, if you keep doing the shit you're doing, like, you're going to end up in here one day. Yeah. And I still ended up in there. Yeah, but, I mean,

there is a feeling that you get when you're, like, in court and you're thinking about the thing that you did that got you to court, and you're like, how could I possibly have thought that that was worth this? Because being in court sucks so bad,

having the prospect of jail or, like, a big-ass fine, or whatever it might be hanging over your head is just so, so shitty that like I think of it from like the perspective when I was in high school and I got arrested for fucking graffiti and shit but it's like like how did writing my name on the wall seemed like it was worth me being in here at this moment and I feel like that's obviously probably magnified by like a lot of worst charges but yeah like because you know most people

who are like committing crimes and shit aren't really like thinking about how shitty the actual vibe of having to go to court and having to go to jail or whatever is shit to be honest any going to jail for anything. thing is like a fucked up experience and you'd be surprised like a lot of dudes, records ain't started off of like no murders and robberies and shit. A lot of

people then went to jail for some dumb ass shit. Definitely. I mean, I remember I got, I did 24 hours in the jail in Manhattan in New York and it was like by the time I got done that, I was just like, I don't think I'm ever going to break the law again.

And obviously I did, but like not like in any. I feel like everybody tell themselves that until you get out and it's like shit back to normal program yeah but like honestly that really did scare the fucking it didn't scare me straight but it's just realizing how much shit i'm used to on the outside like being able to drink as much clear clean water as you want being able to eat a reasonable amount of food or like food that you consider healthy or like good you know i was just like that 24 hours was so shitty sleeping on the ground with my fucking shoe as a pillow and shit, I was just like, even though, like, obviously, I'm not trying to compare

that to, like, what people have really gone through, have even been in jail for, like, a year or a couple months or whatever, but it really just, like, let me know, like, buddy, you're not cut out for this. Like, you got to stay out because this ain't for you. Oh, yeah, look, even me, like, that's probably, like, why I stopped even indulging in crimes and shit. Like, I just felt like, bro, this shit is a waste of time. Like, I'm not going to get nowhere with this and getting arrested.

then I can't talk to people that look like me. Like, it ain't no problem with it. But it's like for me to get comfortable with this over time, like, hell, no, I need freedom. Yeah. You go to jail. I got to just stick with the Hispanics. I can't talk to my people as much. You got to wake up every day, work out, walk a certain way because this side is for the blacks,

this for the Hispanics, all that shit. Like, it's cool, not cool, but like, it'll get you by for a while. But then, like, don't nobody want to live like. that. Yeah, well, that was one thing I would say about doing this podcast is that I interview a lot of people who talk about going to prison for a year or a couple months. Like, it's so not a big deal that, like, I feel like if I were to end up in that kind of situation, it wouldn't be as, like, devastating mentally because I've kind of heard so many people talk about it. Whereas, like, the other day, I was, like, around a bunch of fucking normal ass, like, white valley parents or

whatever and they were talking about somebody who got like like six months for like some white collar crime or something somebody that they knew and they were talking about it like it was the end of the world to an extent where I was like I'm kind of glad that I've been doing this podcast for so long because the situation this guy got himself in does not really sound that bad to me at this point you know. Have you ever been in jail for some? Just that 24 hours in New York which was for the dumbest shit ever too. It was like out of party and one of my friends was like drunk trying to

to impress a girl and we're on like the 34th floor of this like really really tall nice apartment building because we were just partying at this girl's house and this dude starts whipping beer bottles out the window and one of them hits a fucking taxi cab on the windshield and breaks it so it's like a two-story apartment which is like kind of unheard of in new york it's like that basically means it's like a super nice place and i'm like downstairs with this girl just chatting her up on the couch and i see fucking flashlights getting pointed through the window and i go look and there's like like 10 cop cars down there, and they raided the whole apartment. And I told every, my criminal mastermind, I told everybody like, don't snitch.

Don't tell on the girls that we're with, because if we tell them the girls, we're not going to be able to stay here. I'm like, they can't arrest all nine of us. And then they arrested all nine of us. But we only did 24 hours. It's like pretty whatever. I am kind of glad they didn't tell on them just because of the principal. But, you know, would have been cool to just blame it on the girls. yeah so you just went to like processing yeah but it took like 24 hours and then I had to go to court a couple

times and you know they just had no case because like how the fuck you're gonna prove who was throwing bottles out the window type shit but they knew that too and that's why they wanted to fuck with us because they knew that they weren't going to really be able to put a case on us so they just arrested us and whatever but yeah definitely it was like around some really weird dudes just like even having to just take a shit while you're staring out of room of like 40 dudes in there was just a really strange experience. Having to sit down to piss. Yeah, yeah, a lot of that.

Just like a lot of like, damn, I'm thinking a piss and like a lot of people could be looking at my dick right now, like just from the side. Like, yeah, that was a weird. A lot of awkward moments. This is a weird vibe, yeah. But okay, so, I forget where we're with. Okay, so when did you start deciding you wanted to like focus more on social media? Because I feel like you kind of like approached it in a different way than a lot of people might,

You know, a lot of people just out here doing podcasts or live streaming by themselves. And you kind of are more focused on the short form side of things. Yeah, because I feel like that gives more engagement and like eyes on it. People share it more because long form content is definitely cool when you monetizing. And you got like interest and stuff that people want to see. But for the most part, I feel like short form content, it like puts you out there in people's eyes faster. If you're trying to like build a fan base faster. No, definitely.

And that's one thing I always like noticed about No Jumper is that like I put all these people on and like a lot of them just kind of become live streamers where they just sit on live streamer for hours and hours and hours and like basically just try to monetize whatever fans they got from No Jumper, which to me is like if you want to become like a big name, that's not really the way to do it. Like short form content is basically like how you get discovered by people. And then live streaming is how you kind of live stream and podcasting. YouTube, whatever. It's kind of how you like make more profit off of like a hardcore fan base, but you're not going to really grow your fan base unless you like focus on the short form side of things. And then like rap was kind of like oversaturated. So I'm like, let me start like fucking around with the content because I've watched y'all, them back on feed community, all the different shits. Everybody upload on their phones, Spodyface. So let me get in here and see where

I fit in. I just start f***ing around to be honest. And it kind of, I got more engagement. I got further with that in six months to a year than I did damn there like however long I've been doing music right and music is like people don't realize but it's expensive it's like really is difficult to like turn a profit making music unless you get to a pretty big level and then a lot of artists when you younger you first coming up you you got a lot of people willing to help because they feel like they see the potential then like but after a while like a year past two three like all right We put in all this money, effort, even just physically coming out, like, when this shit gonna blow?

Yeah. People slowly start to, like, fizzle away from that shit. So you got to find something, like, gravitate towards them. Yeah, because, like, a lot of people get this bump from just being new and it's just interesting. Like, who's this guy? We want to know about him. Like, we're going to listen to some of his music to see what his whole deal is. And then fast forward a couple years.

If it doesn't take off, it's like then the only way for you to really get attention from there is to basically just make good music and that's obviously a lot more difficult than just being new and you know like all the time i'll see a new rapper on in youtube and i'll click it just because i'm kind of fascinated oh where are they from why's he dressed like that like what's his deal like what kind of shit is he talking about who he's got issues with etc and like fast forward two years like i'll probably know the answers to those questions and i just won't even really care about seeing his shit unless he prosperes into being a bigger or you know somebody who's actually good shit that you want to listen to regardless of the

lore, you know? Yeah, yeah. So what about like the trunk series? Because I feel like that's kind of, as much as that is kind of like low effort content, it just feels like that's the shit that's really grabbed

people that I just keep hearing people mention. And when I interviewed Blanco the other day, he said that he was the first person to get that treatment. It was either him or P-Face, one of them. Yeah. And for the people don't know like basically i'm describing on his instagram he'll like take a clip

of somebody rapping objectively bad or doing something corny and then he'll put a clip of him like slamming the trunk on him afterwards you might have to see it to understand people think it's a trunk is actually like a trash can oh okay one day i was just taking the trash out and i was on my phone when i was doing it

and i'm in my head i'm like this shit's trash and i'm like i just put my phone on top of it and i just lamp that shit i'm like we got something is a head is do you view that as like a way for you to carry out beefs with people that you don't get along with? Or is it more just fun? Nah, because to be honest, I don't just do it to people that assume that we actually beef. I do it to people, my homies, people I'm doing did myself, shit, you.

All type of, like, different people. Because, like, Blanco, you guys had issues at one point, right? You felt like he was. Yeah, but me and his issues, like, that shit is, like, really entering that shit. Like, obviously, he didn't say some disrespectful shit. I didn't say some disrespectful shit, but is it like to the point where we can't fix it? No, it ain't like I'm actively looking for the nigga, but like, bro, you just said some weird shit, so I'm gonna say something back. Yeah, because like he didn't seem like he was salty towards you when we were talking about you on the episode the other day.

He actually seemed like he thought it was pretty funny that you put him out there. And then that's how you know, like over time, like you know what issues is real and which one's not because you like some be more serious than the other ones. Eventually, you'd be over shit. Some just be like, hell no, though. Yeah, that's kind of something I learned, too, is like, if you have a little issue, it could be tempting to blow it the fuck up and just make it a big issue, but usually there's not really, like, that much to gain from that, especially with, like, the host, like, even the right now,

like, Munchy and Spodyface both decided that they quit this week or whatever, and it's like, you know, especially with Spodyface, I could really, like, air out a lot of shit that's going on behind the scenes or what I heard or whatever, and it's kind of like, well, if I do, that then it's going to make this whole situation like way gnarlier even though the content would be really really good for the short term you know but it's like if i don't antagonize the situation then realistically like he'll probably like be able to return or at least like you never know he might come back it might not even be that serious he might think about it yeah because nobody wants to come

back more than t-rail he just put himself in a box where he can't come back because i talk so much shit about his girl and you know it's just kind of at a certain point he would look crazy coming back you know To be honest, I think the cast you got right now is like better. I think it's good, yeah, but it's also like there's... I mean, it comes with more problems. Well, right now we're in a weird situation because all of a sudden the Munchy and Spoday situation kind of fell apart. And as much as like I don't think that, like a lot of people in the audience weren't huge fans of Spoky Fakes. He was getting a lot of negativity in the comments and shit like that.

But Munchy was like very well-like. But Munchy got the worst reason for leaving ever. So I feel like that's like it can only last so long. But even certain people like, even though the fans don't necessarily like them, if they still get an engagement, like it's still probably good for the views. Yeah, I mean, you need like people that are going to argue at a certain point because the worst thing on the podcast is just everybody agreeing. And that's the weird thing with Spodyface is that like he'll just disagree with everything

you say. And then like even if his argument don't really like work out, he'll just hold on to it, which is good and bad because sometimes you just end up. them like an hour-long argument about something that really didn't need to be an argument, but you need somebody to argue something. Otherwise, that's really the whole objective sitting on here. Yeah.

Definitely. Would you ever be like a podcast co-host? Because I'm not going to lie, that did come up when I said I was interviewing you on a couple people in the group chat. Like, damn, like, I wonder if he could be like on no jump or on consistent basis. That would be interesting. Oh, yeah, I'll be open-minded about it? Yeah.

Interesting. We've got to have to see what people think of this because I don't know. you see yourself as more of an antagonist like you would be like arguing with everything or are you more of a go with the flow type? It depends like I'll be cooling but then if I hear something like I feel it's off I'm gonna for sure speak up on it.

Yeah. No, I feel that. So wait, do you have a bunch of black friends in real life or like do you feel like as you get older that becomes more of your friend base as you kind of are a little disillusion with the hood shit? Uh, nah, yeah, because I still was always around my family, my friends, my cousins, and like different mutuals that we grew up with. So it wasn't like I just segregated myself completely from black people.

Shit, like, hell no, I for sure got black friends, always had. You feel like culturally, who do you feel like you align with better at this point in your life, though? Like, I don't know. Like, does it feel like there's a big difference? No, to be honest, I'm still doing the same shit. like just not hanging around certain people. Like I still talk the same, walked the same. Because I never was really like essay, homie, fool, like walking around like that.

I just always been myself. So to be honest, it's just like nothing really changed except the less people I'm hanging around. Right. So you never thought about like, you know, wearing the khaki shorts and the fucking really tall socks. I seen you actually in the food community interview that your socks were kind of high. Oh, because I had my sweats, yeah. Yeah. No, I don't really dress like that.

I was just cooling, but no, I don't really dress with, like, the Dickies, Cortez, all that type of shit. I just dress regularly, bro. Whatever's in style or whatever I feel like streetwear. Do you think people would think that was goofy, though, if you were, like, really following, like, the same cholo dress code that certain people have and shit? I think they will tell that that's not me. People will be able to tell that's not genuine.

Like, just my image, I don't even look like no shit that I'll put on, to be honest. Do you feel like the dudes who are more, like, a line? with like Cholo culture and shit? Are those the ones who kind of look at you weird because to them it's sort of strange to be black from that gang? It might be 50-50 because some just be, you know, it's just culturally what they do,

put the fits on being their self. But then it is the ones that look at it like, you might not fully be with this shit because you got long hair, a piercing, you got this type of clothes on, or you wearing these type of jeans and all that. So for sure, it's a mixed, blend always. It's always going to be that.

Because I'm thinking to somebody like Bozo, who I had like a long conversation with where basically the root of it is like he feels like Mexicans saying the N-word and shit is corny because you should really like care more about being a representative of your culture instead of just kind of doing the trendy thing or whatever or trying to be like another culture by using words that obviously don't originate from your culture. Like, how do you feel about that? He owns some other shit. I feel like he old school.

Like I ain't gonna take nothing from it. He's just old school. Everybody not with what the new generation do. And I understand just the ignorant shit, but like it's too much worrying about what another dude wearing and how another dude talking and how like all it is. To a certain extent, the line got to be drawn in any conclusion. But like I feel like he just be nitpicking on the younger crowd. And for an older dude to always be expressing yourself on the internet,

that as such like that kind of take away from you trying to be this big OG or a voice of the people when you kind of act in childish yourself about a lot of the things. But I feel like that is like a reasonable perspective just to say that like, you know, like that word is not representative of your culture. And even though like he knows that he's kind of like a old school homie by saying that shit because obviously like if you were to tip, a hundred young Mexican dudes off the street, what percentage of them said the N-word? Probably like 90% of them.

And he's from like something in East LA, so it's like they don't even really talk like that over there. Where I'm at, you more so hear us saying it, them saying it really ain't no problem. You can kind of tell when a person using it can be disrespectful, and we don't really get that too much where I'm at. Yeah, like for me even, it's kind of weird to see it. It's all location base. It's such a podcast conversation at this point,

Whereas, like, from my perspective, I'm not going to allow, like, damn near every young Hispanic dude. I've been in, I've been around in my whole life, including when I was in New York, including out here, it's just such a normal thing that, like, I never even questioned it. Honestly, I just figured, like, oh, yeah. To be honest, they might be racist if they don't say they in word. That's interesting. Yeah, because if you're a racist, a racist Mexican for sure, I ain't going to say it. Yeah, because when you grow up in the hood, it's like, bro, you know you're not, you kind of using it as a term of endearment. So you're not trying to down, talk nobody or be derogatory.

You just like, it's become a part of your vocabulary. Do you ever run into, like, racist Mexicans? We always hear about the longos and shit. Hell yeah, that was a reason why I fought on that video because one of my homies said I was acting too black. Okay. But besides that. That's a crazy thing to say to a black dude.

Exactly. Like, I don't know how else I'm supposed to act. Right. But it is, like, I don't think I didn't ran it. to nobody other than that. And that's probably even why we fault. I think God really don't put me in. I always say this.

I think God don't put me in them situations for a reason because how I'm going to react. Why, you think you would just tweak? Yeah. Yeah. That was good. I mean, you probably know like what areas you'd be more likely to run into that, right?

Yeah, and I stay away from places that I know that's known for being like more racial than others or that, like, you really won't catch too many Mokkind or people that look like me, whatever the case may be. Yeah, definitely. Were you trying to, or did you expect P. Nice to be offended when you diss his most recent music video? You put him in the trash can. I've seen that.

Yeah, nah, hell no, because I did his brother not too long ago, but I don't be doing it to be malicious, though. You feel me? I'll just be, like, it's funny. Like, I'll just do it to laugh. I do myself, too, just to, like, make people laugh. But I wasn't trying to do it to be malicious towards Pete Nights because I f*** with him on the content level because I'm subscribed to like creative players.

I watch that. But music, I don't really care for his music, though I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, I didn't even know he was still rapping, honestly, until I saw hip-up.

But that is the benefit of you making that kind of content is that when I saw you post that, it actually made me think, oh, I want to like hear this song. So I went and listen to the whole song. And it could work as promo too as well for people. Like,

make people want to go tap in. into it, but I just do it, to be honest, like, I'd be scrolling right now if I see a video and I listen to the music and I hear a part that sound like, oh, if I make one of it. Right. It just be random, bro. The funniest one, it ain't nothing malicious. Funniest one was you shout out to four extra. No disrespect, but you clinton that one video with him.

That was pretty funny. Nah, yeah. And that was already a song I had heard, like, a long time before that and shit, and I still thought it was so funny, even though I could have made the same video at some point, like, clowning that. that one part of the song or whatever. I could have done that, but like just hearing you do it or seeing you actually jump out there do it, like, I was laughing.

And I think that's why a lot of people gravitate towards it too, because they want to say these things and do the same to people, but like they just maybe don't got the time or just don't, whatever the case may be. Yeah, and I mean, a big problem in rap culture now is that so many people don't even give a fuck about rap. Like, don't even care enough to click on a music video. because they just kind of feel like shit is so uninteresting at this point that like people just aren't even like excited about it. And then I rewind in my mind and I think about living in New York

in the mid 2000s and how it was like every day new dipset songs, new Lil Wayne songs, new G-U and a song, just like every day there was music coming out that I was like extremely excited to download and put in my fucking iTunes. And then even, not like that was the end of it. Like I think about like the early 2010s when there was all these weird, weird new internet rappers coming out.

Weird like Chicago drill was coming out. There's all different types of street shit coming out. ASAP mob, action Bronson, riffrap, all these like, every day it was like there was new interesting rappers coming out. And then when I think about how just jaded people are now, it's kind of like, well, if it's going to take some. somebody like making fun of rap to get people listening to rap, I guess that's something, better than nothing.

It's a drought right now. It's like, nothing really popping. Everything oversaturated. You could just like record a song from your phone right now, download band labs or some shit. So it's hard to just cipher out who got the real talent when it's so much just being thrown in your face. Yeah, that shit is crazy because like, you know,

I look at like, uh, just that, okay, that Phoenix Flexing song, do you hear that one that you just put out? Video on that one too. Oh, you did? Yeah. You threw it in the trash can? I took it out at first,

and then I doubled back yesterday. Because I sat on it. I'm like, yeah, this, to be honest, this is only good for like a reel or something. I can't ride around to this, so I slammed it. That's funny, yeah, because I feel like that's the first rap song. I, or I guess I wouldn't even call it a rap song. I would just call it like, you know,

just a song by a rapper. And I just like really was like damn like that's the most interesting piece of music I've heard a underground or like street sort of level rapper make in like forever like that just like was so outside the realm of what I'm used to and I actually thought it sounded good and I was astounded that he even had like the reference points of like because it just sounds like a lot of like old new wave and like punk type shit that I would like listen to when I was younger and I don't know I was just like taken aback like damn i really like underestimated it was a i thought it was a i felt like everybody felt that it's not though he said it wasn't i mean i there's a lot of like effects on his voice and

shit i guess so i don't know i just felt like damn i like underestimated you as a as an artist because i did not know that you had this shit for sure yeah i did i did some shows with phoenix probably like um a year or two ago and tri-cities in washington and shit oh that's what was that It was cool. Hell, yeah. Him and, Chike was supposed to perform, but he was late,

so he ended up performing. It was cool, though. Oh, okay. So, okay, what, so you're still signed to the dudes that you have issues with? Like, you're signed to Mr. Keeper Hood and shit or no?

I'm not signed. Oh, okay. Like, my name, I'm Rich Rabbit. I came up with the whole Rich Rabbits has a conglomerary and collective, whatever you want to call it,

and they just, was biting off of that. Oh, okay. Like, I, like, my name was Rich Rabbit, so fucking I'm gonna just create a group, Rich Rabbit, Tad s, these the homies, we all rapping together, involved them in it. I did that. And then when shit started going sideways, then the weird shit started happening to where niggas want to start saying, I made this, this is mine.

Oh, you from the hood and this is your name. So that belonged to the hood, which I don't, all this is. type of shit which I don't understand. Yeah, no, definitely. So, what's your relationship with Swifty Blue? That's my boy. That's one of the first. To be honest, I was fucking Swifty because that was one of the first, like, bigger.

He wasn't even real big, but he had a voice back then as far as the music and he was popping. And when I was coming up, he was one of the first artists that really gave me, like, a platform. Yeah. I mean, he always has been, like, pretty early on tapping in with people that kind of ended up having motion and shit. I thought that was my boy, but then I heard him talking shit about me on hoodstocks.

I got mad as fuck. Oh, yeah, probably, what's his name? Lucky? Lucky. Just for Lucky, probably. Yeah, but I just like, I hate that. Like, bro, if you're gonna be in front of somebody who don't like me and you just completely change your tune

after you were, like, like, I could show you my text with him, and I have like eight texts in a row asking to be a host on no jumper that I didn't respond to, which, I mean, that's pretty astound. Like if you ask somebody once or twice and then I'll respond, like, you should probably take the hint. But like, I never known anybody who was that thirsty. And then for him to go and like talk shit right away, it's like, bro, just say the reason you're talking shit. Say that you're mad that I didn't respond to you.

Don't make it something like, oh, he's a bad guy or like he's a bad dude. It's like, no, bro, you are mad because I fucking didn't even acknowledge you. And I'll be your honest, like, I didn't really think about it because he's just like, he just feels like he brings a lot of baggage. He's always just like taking out perks every time he's around me. Every time he come around, he's like, Adam, find me some weed before we do this interview. I need some weed. I need some rosin. And I'm just like, this is like a handful, bro.

Like, I don't know. Yeah, no, yeah, I feel it. Yeah. I don't know. It's like you got to be able to get fucked up on your own, bro. Yeah, see, everybody got their different experiences with people. I deal with them on different occasions. You feel of me?

When it comes to merge, music, we got a different relationship. I don't really just hang out. Like to me the reward got always outweigh the risk Even if I'm just hanging Yeah because like with him like it's like I'm not the perk plug Like don't don't be just like coming through to do it like Come to do to interview like bring your own perks like if you want to be on a perk like I don't I don't care and that would make sense like I can't control somewhere bring your own stuff

Yeah like I'm not the perk guy I wish I was it's like me coming here asking you for some weed or something right now Yeah and I would like probably be able to point you in the right direction but like you know It's like if you need a stimulus package, just, you know, I don't know. I couldn't handle that already. Yeah, I mean, if you were, if you're a junkie, like, you've got to get your own product. Don't ask the podcast. I'm not saying he's a junkie, but I mean, I don't know.

And even then, like, little things, too, like, he pissed me off with, like, I had his back, like, with his narrative. So he was mad at me about the narrative of him pulling up to a school to press a kid. Because he got arrested out of high school for pulling up to fight a young Edgar. Yeah, that little boy needed his ass with, though. Oh, okay. But he tried to say it wasn't true, and I'm like, okay. From what I've seen in a video, it looked like he pulled up, and the little boy was kind of like antagonizing them.

Like, I respect that in gang culture, sometimes you have to, like, as a grown man, beat up a teenager. That just seems like that's kind of like normal. Like, you can't pull up to the school, brother. This is a place of learning. Yeah, like chasing them and all that. I don't think, yeah, I wouldn't go to the extremes of chasing nobody in front of no school. Well, I think he, like, showed up at the school the next day

and just tried to, like, catch him at recess or something. Nothing. I seen the gas station. I think... No, so the kid, like, basically, like, was talking shit to him at the gas station, and I think, like, up his pole on him. And then Swiftie went to the school because he knew he wouldn't have his pole on him. No, I didn't see that, man. Yeah, he's an interesting guy, man. Okay, so where is it at with Tommy Guns, though?

Are you guys cool, or is that somebody you really want to fuck up, huh? It's like Blanco, the same shit. They was together just talking crazy and don't even know me. So it's like, bro, at this point, I just got a platform, so I just... just troll them the same way they just say, if I see them say something about me, I'll just troll them, make videos. Like, I don't get, I don't feel like getting out of my body.

I'm not gonna go hunt them down. Like, it is what it is. Like, if I see you and you feel like the type of way, like, do what you wanna do, and we can do that. Other than that, you can just look our separate ways. Do you think that they like are kind of like, hate on you because they feel like, if Pes-O don't like you, then they should just sort of latch onto that?

Yeah, that was the thing. But then now they fell out. So it's like, now y'all going through the same shit, y'all just witnessed me go through. And I'm just not the dude that's just in the ha-ha-hah, he-he. Like, bro, it is what it is. Y'all going to learn. Definitely. Because you said that Tommy needed to be ready to be on time and when you see him.

Yeah, to a certain extent, but, like, I got over that shit. Oh, you're over right now. All right. That's good. Okay, so what about, like, the OTR thing? You're on good terms with them now, or is that you just don't appreciate that. To be honest, I was never really like a part of nothing they had going. I used to go record at the studio over there, but like I would never really, like an OTR artist.

I really went with too many OTR people except like Swifty when he was there. Cheeto, like other than that. They wouldn't even signed to OTR when I was hanging with Swifty and him. Interesting. I wonder how. Most they're kind of different now. Yeah, as I was thinking, I wonder where OTR stands now. Because obviously...

Back then, they even had Pac-Man. Right. I don't even think he did, I don't know, to be honest. So I was, like, way back. They got P-Face, right? Yeah, P-Face, a lot of Blanco, Keep a Hood. Okay. Mar-W.

Because, like, when Lefty was with them, that was when I felt like the light was the most on them for a little while there. Tachito. Yeah. When he had his little run. kind of died down. I wonder how that's going. You feel like the Cheetah Rana's thing

kind of ran out? Yeah, it for sure died down. He didn't get locked up again? Is he still dropping? No, yeah, he's still dropping. Yeah, he was somebody that had on the podcast and we got along real good and then he was kind of running his mouth a little bit

afterwards, which I was real surprised about. A lot of these guys, man, they act real cool when you do an interview and shit. And then, like, they just try and go do another interview and they just start kind of popping it. Like, that's what happened with Lefty? It's because when you leave here, a lot of people got to answer

to certain other people. A lot of people got a problem with you, which they don't even really know why they have a problem. Right. Just to have something to say. They're just disgruntled fans a lot of time, you know? Like, okay, lefty,

I had a totally good interview with them, and to put in their perspective, we go to take a photo afterwards, we take our shirts off for the photo. That's not something you do for a regular interview. You take your shirts off if you really with the homies. And then all it took was like a week later. He goes on a back,

on fig and they started bringing up the fact that I said that he was the Mexican Crimp Mac. Oh yeah, he didn't like it. And he like got mad about it even though it had happened like a week before, but like they were able to make him mad about it up. I've seen that live, I think, yeah. I think that just got blew out of proportion. Yeah. And then like lefty kind of, I mean, obviously he's had his whole career since then. How do you feel about like the strength of the lefty gun play career? Uh, music wise, I'm gonna keep it honest. I ain't listening to it. I, I, I, I, I, won him as a person. know like the entertaining lefty and all that i was into that but i can't say that i'm gonna turn

on no lefty music yeah no his music is as a person and entertaining for sure yeah like i like i like him uh as a dude like i thought he was real entertaining and shit damn so lefty and chita rana's both have not dropped in three months on youtube which is kind of crazy maybe o'tr holding them back you think damn i don't know maybe they're trying to heat it up but like i mean lefty like went through the whole, the whole getting sober thing, which, like, I know somebody was on a video shoot with him the other day, and they basically, like, had to warn everybody on set beforehand, like, yo, lefty is going to ask you to give him drugs or get him drugs. So everybody on this set needs to be unified to, like, not get him loaded because he just has, like, a hard time being

around people, because he'll just try to, like, ask them to, like, hey, can you go get me drugs or whatever and like that's like like equivalent to like a caregiver or some shit well yeah I feel like they kind of have to be like that with them at a certain point because they're trying to like get him comfortable being sober but I mean like he's been so off the radar for like the last year or so if you really think about it and it's kind of like I feel like he's he he's trying to be sober but it's just so hard for him because for a while it was a viral lefty thing like every day and that just kind of stopped at a certain point well that's that always a thing though I feel like like artists like

I don't know the ones that be like on drugs that's it's always common like I don't know they like need to be taken care of I'm starting to see like that's more like a thing the ones that they can like easily that's like gullible fall for shit get hooked on shit them the ones that they love yeah but control them

a lot of times those are the artists that are like interesting to the public and have actual fans and shit too because the fans are like interested in seeing how things go because like I like if I was your manager like you seem pretty level-headed like i feel like i could go on tour with you and you would probably be like pretty chill to manage or whatever but then when i think about like a lot of the artists i've been around over the years like little pump is smoke perp in them and like every different show we went to on tour they got different girls they're hanging out with they got

dudes coming around bringing all kinds of weird drugs around like it's just so chaotic and like hard to sort of shepherd them through shit which i would assume lefty probably like the same way except up with like more beef and shit to worry about. And also he like grown so he can like drive places and shit like that. And I don't know. I just feel like that is just that's why like people are always like, oh, would you manage an artist? And it's like, bro, I've never found an artist that I believed in that had motion

and that I thought that it was actually worth stressing myself out having to deal with this dude on a daily basis. Like that's just so much to sign up for. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people come on a lot of baggage too. Yeah. You gotta be picky.

Yeah, I mean, I look at artists all the time that I feel like I can maybe sign. And then I like listen to more and more of their music and I realize who they're beefing with. And I realize what kind of situations they're in. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. So I feel like as soon as you manage a gangbanger that they start looking at you like you're like a real representative of him. Like like, like Crip Mac, like the Hoosers aren't looking at me as like a representative of him. but at a certain point if you manage this artist

and you're with them for everything for sure you start to be like a stand-in for whatever there. That's for like active gang members though. Like dudes that's out here you gotta go back to the hood after this. If you say the wrong thing on live somebody can call you and you feel me

all the them type of dudes yeah but for like somebody that's kind of like like Brick Baby he already separated himself kind of figured out okay this is what I want to do like dudes you can kind of maneuver with that Yeah, but like even with Brick Baby, it's like, okay, number one, like a lot of the audience wants to hear from a 19 or a 21 year old or whatever. And like Brick Baby, I think is like 36 or something.

Like, you know, at a certain point, it has to just be the music because the fans are like, you know, really like, they don't pay attention to like the people who are making, like, unless you're making good music, they're just like not as tuned in. And even with Brick, like his lifestyle, and I'm going to really, really hold back here. But the way he was moving around, even when I would be hanging out with them, you know, it's like, maybe I'll hang out with you for tonight and we got this and this and this in the car. But like, I don't want to do this every day, bro. Like, this is like, this is too much. Like, if you got all these things. And you're not even really like doing that great of a job trying to hide it either.

Like, if a cops pulled this over, they're probably going to like see, you know, they're going to see this weird colored soda in the front seat. And that just reminded me. I think that'd be a lot of it too. Like a lot of dudes that get their self in trouble coming up here because off the clock, they still got like little bullshit and endeavors that they still engaging in. So that kind of plays a part in their downfalls too. Yeah.

Like dudes come on here, kind of expose their whole lifestyle. And then they go back to their neighborhood and keep living the exact same lifestyle. Like the cops don't watch this shit or like the cops aren't. Yeah. See, like after this, I'm going home. Like I'm not going to go to nobodyhood The homie and can't call me Saying why did you say this?

Like I'm going to go with my girl We're going to go get some food And I'm going to go in the house Go check on my kids Like the other shit I don't got to deal with So you stay pretty out the way at this point? Definitely I can't even do the content that I do right now

Being out and just hanging on the blog and shit I wouldn't get nothing done Yeah No that makes sense Who you actually listen to? Who do I listen to? Sad I've been on

a lot of Little Bean lately. Shot a little Bean. Rex, Life, Rodge. Who else? G. Perico. Who else? A couple dudes. A lot of young dudes I've been tapping in with since I've been doing this music shit too,

like young L.A. talent, a couple. I can't really think everybody's name right now. You've been around Big Sad and shit? Yeah, I got video Big Sadd. Oh, right. Okay. Because you guys are like both from hoods that kind of have the same name. Same logo.

Yeah, same logo. Okay. But that's not like, y'all are not like formally affiliated or anything? No, just completely different. Just the same logo, name kind of like. For sure. When's the last time you had a copy of Playboy? That was my shit.

The magazine? Yeah, when I was in elementary school, that was the shit. Have I ever even had a Playboy magazine? Oh, damn, you young enough, yeah. That's what I'm saying. I'm 27. I don't think I probably even seeing my uncles in them having that shit, probably as a kid. But like me having one myself, like, we had phones and shit.

Yeah, because you were Yeah Yeah, no, that makes sense Damn, I'm like dating myself right there Because when I was a kid If we wanted to see a boob or a vagina or whatever You'd have to like find somebody who had a penthouse Yeah, a magazine or something

Yeah, see, we got tablets already PSPs and all that shit Yeah, that's why it's weird when girls are like All hyped to be on the cover of Playboy or whatever these days And I'm like, that shit ain't been relevant in like 20 years That's like trying to make it a world star Yeah, exactly But there are people who still pay for posts on World Star. But sometimes I'll go look at the World Star website and like barely see any of the paid videos anymore.

And I'm like, damn, that shit ran out too. It just looked generic now. Yeah. I mean, that shit was corny as fucking like 2010. Like, you go to World Star and you just see these videos up top that it was just like blatantly paid for. But like I heard the rates are like, you know, 10% of what they used to be. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. And I ain't anybody trying to go on there.

You could probably have the whole homepage of World Star for like 500 books. if I had to guess. But, all right, so what are you working on, what you got going on that you want the world to know about? Shit, I'm just dropping every day. I'm working on content, skits, making my rounds, podcasts, doing promo. Just, to be honest, I'm trying to, like, really, yeah, I'm going to still do the music, but I'm trying to get more to, like, skits, acting and all that type of shit. Like, I'm feeling looking to, like, getting tattoos on my face removed.

Oh, shit. Like, just doing different shit. I thought you were about to say I'm looking at it. to getting tattoos on my face, like getting more. And I'm like, okay, that's one way to do. You could be boonging with it and just get the whole shit. No, hell no, I'm going to start getting shit took off. Like, and just like going in a different direction, more content,

flooding people. Dunn't know what? So, do you feel like people are going to look at you weird for getting the shit room from your face? Not really. I just feel like, wow, I want to start getting into, like, acting and skits. And I don't really see dudes really from the hood and shit unless it's, like, extras and, like, the randomized role.

so to even like try to get in more faces and shit and remove some stuff yeah that i've thought about getting melissa simpson removed which would be awkward because it is a rest-and-piece tattoo to someone to little peep but like i don't know that would be like such a big decision because on one hand if i did that i would just get i would probably get the same tattoo somewhere else to just like move it but then also i've known so many people over the years that got tattoos lasered off and it just looks like fucking shit. Like if you're really trying to like, but then also I'm kind of tempted to go on the other way

and just get more face tattoos because I feel like so many people I know are just like viral for having a bunch of face tattoos. Like it's just so interesting to people. But I don't know. Being 42, I feel like I would look crazy if I just got my whole shit blasted now.

Yeah, I ain't a lot. I want to start taking them off and then just getting older and starting to see myself in pictures. I want to take pictures with my kids and all that. I don't want to just be like looking like this. as I get old. Yeah.

But then that's the thing with the kids too is that the kids really like face tattoos. Yeah. Like when my kids saw blue face, he was so enchanted

by just like trying to like dad, why was there a baseball player in his face? And you think, it's gonna be a long time before I can explain that to you. You think they'd be scared

and shit, but to be honest, they'd be like low-key proud to have as they parent and shit looking like that. Yeah. But they ain't cool though.

Like you don't want them like me personally. I don't want them thinking like that shit all right. Yeah. My kid thinks to like Critt Mac having the five on his face is like hilarious.

She's like, I'm five too. I'm for Craig Beck. Good show. All right. So, yeah, appreciate it, man. And we should definitely try run an episode one time. Like, you can see how the chemistry is just talking about topics and shit like that. That could be interesting.

Yeah, I'm down, bro. That's really what I'd be doing anyway, to be honest. Hell yeah. All right, yo. Tap in. What's your Instagram? Rich Rabbit TV, Rich Rabbit Records. and at 1935 ST 1935 Street.

Right. So you just like kind of spreading it between Instagram accounts? Nah, because to be honest, you know how I get like people reporting shit. Exactly. So like I just made a gang of accounts at one point, but now I'm abiding by the rules

so my content really is cool. I just got three pages now. Yeah. Yeah, I think about that sometimes how like I would have started like 10 no jumper pages in retrospect if I knew how much trouble you, not how much trouble you? you can get in, but like how easy it was for people to put flags in your account. And then just like

the value of like having a bunch of pages, you know, could really be a lot. Because they don't let pages grow the same way they used to. It's kind of like the way that you used to be able to like grow a page, like academics or World Star, no jumper by like get them to like millions of followers by reposting shit. That shit does not work anymore. To be honest, it helped me with collaborating. Because I collaborate all my pages together or I use one for like reals that I just do when me talk. one for reactions up and bottom and then the other one the main account is for this uh slam the trash yeah yeah because well that is one thing that i've been talking about with my girl and shit is like i'm not 100% sure about the fucking value of collaborating on posts because it sort of feels like

posts that are collaborative that they just don't go as viral because like my boy vel beat up this dude wearing the metal glasses yeah and like that shit got like 70 million views or some shit like that. And I was saying to her like, yo, like I should have fucking told him to collab that with no jumper when he first posted. And she's like, it probably wouldn't have gone crazy like that. If you would collab, like, if you look through your export page,

all the shit that's being recommended, almost none of it is collab posts, which is very strange to me. Because that would have probably made it seem like more generic. Like the first thing he did was collab with no jumper. But like probably like it's time go by. You see it go up, then send the collab then you can mix the fan base. Yeah.

But I'm telling you, man, look through that explore page and it don't really feel like there's any collab posts on there, which is really weird to me. Like if you want us to use the feature, why would you like limit the reach on those or maybe it's all in my head or something? I don't know. And I kind of have been going more viral lately like not collabing, just like posting on my main account. Yeah, that's weird. My monthly been at like $22 million. Interesting. All right, go tap in with Rich Rabbit.

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