No Jumper - Ricky Williams on Smoking LOUD, Football, Astrology & More

Episode Date: February 13, 2022

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Yo, yo, yo, it's No Jumper, the coolest podcast in the world, but today is something new. This is the sports talk with your boy, Big Ski, and we got the legend himself, the Heisman, himself, Ricky Williams. Let's go. Let's go. Thank you, brother, for coming through, man. I highly appreciate that, bro. Yeah. Man, Ricky Williams, bro, the journey. Yeah.

Tell me about the kid from San Diego. Well, I'm curious. It's like when did you first, like, know about me or learn about me? Me? Yeah. I probably was, like, in the eighth grade, bro. Yeah, the Saints jersey, the Dolphins jersey? Like, sick with it.

Yeah. I wore some white on white with your jersey. That was that first time I ever wore it white on white. Yeah. So, like, 13, 14 years old. I'm 34 now, 20 years ago. Okay. And then when, so when everything went down with the dolphins and when I retired early,

you must have been 17. Correct. 16. Yeah. Do you remember like that time? Hell yeah. Yeah. It was the first time I started smoking weed.

Yeah. For real. Yeah. Yeah. You made it cool. For real. Yes. Damn.

You didn't just stand on your word. You sat on it. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay.

You know, I was down, I did a visit to Dr. Greenthum down in San Diego dispensary last week. and I was like I was driving through the whole neighborhood going to the dispensary and it just hit me that like I started into San Diego left when went around the world

and now I'm back in LA not San Diego but I realized that I took my roots growing up in San Diego I took it around the world Right and you know How was that for you? It was so it started off like most kids I grew up in especially in our neighborhood where my auntie

You know she would put us in the car and go pick up dime bags. And my stepdaddy, like, every day after work, you come home, pull out his little yellow tray, you know, roll a couple and smoke. So it was like in the home, it was a natural part of the life. But when I go to school, you know, they tell us. It was found upon. Exactly.

And then when I got into sports, it was even more frowned upon. All the coaches said, if you smoke, if you smoke, if you smoke pot, you're a loser. Right. And then, of course, I was trying to, you know, be an athlete. And so I was trying to be good because it, be a, Being an athlete is like two, especially us growing up, it was two parts. One, you got to be good at your sport, but two, you got to be good. Right, right.

You got to stay out of trouble. That's what I said. Yeah, stay out of trouble. Yeah, you got to stand out. Yes, and that meant stay away from drugs. Right. And so I was, you know, I was trying to make it in the sports pass, so I stayed away from, I stayed away from drugs.

And then one day, and I think I was a junior in high school. And I was a big Bob Marley fan, like, obsessed with Bob Marley. But I wasn't smoking. I just love the music and the message, but I was an athlete. So I was on a straight and narrow until I was a junior in high school, Ben Kotnik, the smartest dude in school, Jewish kid. And he just, everyone just assumed that I smoked because it was in San Diego and I was always wearing Bob Marley stuff.

So he invited me to his house at lunch to smoke. And, you know, I just went along and pretended like I had done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I hit the ball and I just, you know, I coughed my brains out and then I went back and I had physics. And I remember sitting in physics class thinking, I don't know why. people do this. Like, I have no idea what it's going on. And then I, you know, and then I was like, okay, I've done it, but I, you know, it wasn't something that I was doing all the time. But

if I was around the friends, you know, I'm going to, I hit it a couple times. And yeah. Do you remember what strain it was? Okay. I'm old. So back then, we didn't know. It was probably something he got from his big sister, you know, like, the backyard, the backyard boo. Exactly. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Okay. But he had money, so it was probably something nice. He's okay. Yeah. So.

But then when I went to college, in, you know, mainly in the off-season, but when the guys were just hanging out, the upper-class men in the room, you know, playing cars, shooting dice, they were passing a blunter around. And so they invited me. I felt like, okay, I'm one of the dudes. One of the guys. Exactly.

And I'm hitting it. And then I just noticed that it was cool. We just were all having a good time. And I didn't think anything of it. Nobody's getting hurt. Nobody's drunk, falling over to place. No, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good high.

And it was a college, so it started to be kind of those things that sometimes, if it's around, you enjoy and everyone has a good time. Right. But it wasn't until my senior year in college, I came back for my senior year, because I could have left and been a first round pick. Came back for my senior year because I wanted to win the Heisman trophy. So I put all my eggs in one basket. I said, I'm coming back to do it.

So you guys know the Longhorns, just so you know, because some, some viewers might not know where you played and where you got the ice. Highman. Yes. Yeah, University of Texas. I came back for my senior year because I wanted to win the Hivesman. So season started off kind of rough. You know, I had a couple bad games.

Me and my girl broke up. She started dating the quarterback on the team. So I was at this point where I was like, why did I come back for this shit? Like, I was like, you know, I was having these fantasies. I could be, you know, making millions of dollars doing this shit on the lot, but I'm here dealing with this bullshit. And I was like having one of those. And I know if you have that kind of attitude, you're not going to be successful.

Right. And so my roommate, he was a smoking. and he said, he got his bong out and he said, dude, you need to just chill. And he slipped me the bong and I hit it a couple of times. And I wasn't expecting this, but I remember I went up to my room and I laid on the bed and I noticed that I wasn't obsessing about the bad game or I wasn't obsession about my girl. Yeah. I just was feeling good.

And then my mind started to think about positive things. Exactly. Where you needed to be what you needed to be thinking about. Exactly. True story. Next two weeks of that season, back-to-back 300-yard games. Okay. Do y'all hear this?

Ricky Williams just explained to you what marijuana did for him in a serious moment in his life. Took all of that negativity and it came between positive thoughts. Yeah, it's real. It's real. It's real. And so that was the first time where I had like an experience where I was like, okay, okay. But still, so I was smoking a little bit more and I was more interested into it. But it wasn't until after my second year,

my second year in New Orleans, I broke my ankle. And at the time, one of my old college rubates was living with me. And he was playing on the Saints too. And he was a smoker. And so my home girl from high school was living in my pool house and she was a smoker. So it was like every day I would come home from school

and it would just be like, telly roll up. We go in the back and just like chill. And again, I wasn't like, I didn't realize what was going on, but I was like letting go of the bullshit from the day, getting my mind right so I can come back and do it again, do it again the next day. Did that affect you with like your training? Because clearly it didn't, your worth ethics. You feel I'm saying?

But did you ever feel some time where it was just like, I got to slow down on but when I'll go play? You feel I'm saying? Like your performance and never mess with you? At the time, I wasn't going that hard. It was just like it was like an after work routine to help get my mind right into go. And then so this was during the season. Okay. So I started smoking during the season.

So I had a rhythm. But then after the season, there's always an off season. And you got a lot of free time. A lot of free time. And so off season, I ended up getting traded to Miami. And I get to Miami and there's some, compared to New Orleans, there's some nice. I was just going to say, I was just going to say that jump from, yeah, it was some better. Everything.

Okay. So, so, I mean, no, like, no one is a wonderful, but just Miami is a special place. So I'm in Miami and I'm like training. I just got traded. I got a brand new start. in Miami, a really good team. And I'm, like, getting really focused about my diet, getting really focused about my training.

And I'm starting to smoke more, okay? It's, like, starting to become a more part of my, like, my routine. Starting to become where I'm actually buying, like, I'm buying ounces now, right? Oh, shit. For the first time, you know, like, I'm in, okay? And then, and here. Ricky Williams is buying the ounce. But here's what got me, though.

Here's what got me is when I was in New Orleans, the NFL's drug, drug policy is they test you one time a year. And they test, and so in New Orleans, they tested us in training camp. Okay. We get to training camp. We get that note under our door. We take our test and we're good for the year. Okay. I got traded to Miami and no one told me because no one knew I was a smoker. So no one told me that they test in the off season. So I got to work. And that's off season is when it's cracking. Yes. And so I got to work. So I got to work one day and do said, okay, you got a drug test today. And I was like, damn. And I kind of knew they got me. And so once you, once they get you in that test, they put you in the program. And you're in the program for two

years. And for those two years, you get drug tested nine times a month and you got to go see a therapist once a week. Nine times a month. Yeah. And if you travel, you got to tell them where you're going, you got to give them the address, tell them how long you're going to be there and they can test you anywhere. That sounds like a PO. It's crazy. That's how they, that's how it felt. That's how they treat. Right. Yes. That sounds like a personal PO. Yeah. And so, you know, I'm, and so at first I was like, I'll just stop. I'll just stop smoking because I was like, whatever. They got me. I'll just stop. And then I stopped and I realized it had become so much of my like self-care routine

that it was hard for me to be a football player and not have it in my life because I started popping more pills and doing other stuff. And I said, okay, I got to find a way to figure this out. And so I devised a little scheme, okay, where I could, I found out how much I could smoke and still pass a drug test. Right. So I kind of found that sweet spot, you know? Yeah, I found that sweet spot.

And it worked for almost two years. I was almost out of the program. We were playing Philly. We were playing Philly on, I think it was Monday night. And we ended up losing in a game, like, knocked us out of the playoffs. And so I went out that night and stayed up a little bit too late, and I had a drug test in the morning. And so my little deal was, you would call me and say,

I'm coming to drug test you in the morning, and he would get there at 6. I'd wake up at 5. I had this little drink called Extra, Extra Clean. I would get up, take my little drink. I take my little drink. You take the drink, you wait 15 minutes, and you take another drink,

wait 15 minutes, you pee, and then your urine is clean for five hours. Okay, and I had this system down, okay? But again, I went out a little bit too long, but I woke up at five, I took my drink, fell back asleep. Oh, my God. Failed back asleep, woke up to the doorbell.

You know, woke up to the doorbell. I was like, damn, I just said, I'm about to see. Like I said, I'm about to see. Right. So I peed in the cup, and the crazy thing is when it came back. The cutoff at that at that time in the NFL, was 0.15 nanograms per millimeter of THC metabolites, which is really low.

They've already raised it to 0.5. Okay. But it was really low. And the A bottle, because they make it's P and two bottles. The A bottle was like 0.16 and the B bottle was 0.14. Okay. So I appealed it because I said the B bottle, if the B bottle was tested, I would have passed. Right.

You know, so I appealed it. Sick with it, man. And they came back from the appeal and they said, let's cut a deal. They said, if you will stay in the program for eight more months, then we'll let you out of the program. And I said, no. I was going to say, like, that's the trap, bro. I said, no.

I said, no. I said, I'm going to make you guys make a decision. It's crazy. I said, I'm going to make you guys make a deal. Yeah. So I said, I'm going to make you guys make a decision. And in the meantime, I kind of had made some epiphanies in my own life. Okay.

You know, about maybe I have a greater purpose in this world than just playing football. Right. And I realize that if I spend my whole life chasing this Hall of Fame or chasing this dream or chasing this money, I'm going to miss opportunity to do what I'm really here for. Right. And so I noticed the writing on the wall and I realized, like my life purpose, I need to step away from this and find some other kind of purpose in my life. And I stood.

And so I ended up failing another drug test and then I just told the NFL, you don't got to worry about me. I'm out. I'm out of here. Deuces, that was it. So guess what we're going to do today? Since we was out, we're going to blaze up right now. Go ahead, man.

Let's go ahead and run this right quick. Because I got one question I've been like dying to ask you, bro, like, Godly. Sheesh. Y'all don't even know, man, the goat, Ricky Williams. So while you was playing on that field, right? Give me three linebackers you try to avoid.

Tried to avoid. Okay. Okay, there's only one that I thought about, that I thought about avoiding. Okay. But, you know, once you get in the game, you can't play if you're going to avoid. But there's one that I was, I'll say this. I was hurt and I was like, thank God I'm not playing today.

Okay. And I was, he was good his whole career, but especially young Ray Lewis. Oh, my God. I knew that was coming. I'm telling you, like, I was on the sideline watching the game. And it didn't matter if it was a run play, if it was a pass play. Like, he was making it hurt. He was going to make it hurt.

The other two best linebackers that I think I played against was Derek Brooks. Okay. And that Tampa 2 defense, just the way he played that position. Yeah. I mean, you always knew he was somewhere close to the ball and he was going to hit you. Sweet. And who would the third one be? No, people are hyped on Brian Erlocker, and he was an athlete, but he doesn't make the list.

Who else? Hey, I see some of your footage where you say, yeah, guys were just bouncing off of me sometimes. So he was one of them guys. He was one of them guys. Excuse me. Excuse me He was one of them Trying to think

Who else So he would Teddy Bruske He was a I mean he wasn't I wasn't afraid of him But you knew in that game He was coming

Okay And you mean He was flying over piles He was He was coming Yeah He was He had to pay attention to him

I appreciate He's crappy Answering that question man Because I know the world Would want to know that too L you So like another question I got for you

What would you say Was like your most memorable touchdown. Because I know it's a few of them, but one, which one means the most to you? You know, from my own personal, like the one that I like to watch now. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, is we were playing, we were playing Baltimore. We were playing Baltimore.

Excuse me. And we were, we were putting in a counter, like a misdirection play. Okay. And we were in the film room and we were putting the play in. And the coach said, you know, when you run the cutback, they never bring the safety from that back in so there's not going to be anyone there okay that's so I that's what that's what we coached

we got in the game and I ran a cutback and I was and I got the ball and as soon as I got it I saw that the safety with Ed Reed was coming he was coming and so it was like one of those moments where time slowed down and I could hear the coach saying the safety's not going to be there and I could see him and something told me just spin and so I got the ball and I came back and it was coming

right at me and I spun and he just missed yeah and I ended up it was like only a two-yard or one-yard touchdown run. But it was just something you know and just he's about to come blow it up right now. Yeah. And people seen Ed Reed coming and blow up those plays. That's not even hit stick. That's circle on Madden.

Circle. You had to hit him with the circle button. It's the circle. You got to hit early. You know, if you hit it too late, you get like stuck in the back. Damn! For me, you got to tap that mug's moves. Are you in the game?

I play Madden. I do. You play Madden? I play Madden. I play Little 2K. I play Little 2K. I play Little Battlefield. Sweet.

Sweet. So with the Dreds, did Bob Marley inspire you with that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there are no doubt. You know, I say like my dad, my parents didn't work out. My dad left when I was seven. And I say that my first stepfather, my first spiritual teacher was Bob Marley.

I would just come home. I would come home after work. Of course, throw the book back down because I wasn't doing homework. Come home after school. Come home after school. throw the book back down, put on Bob, sit down and play and play video games. Sweet. That was my meditation.

Sweet. Yeah. That's what's up. So tell me about Heisman, bro. I want to know about the Heisman. Tell me what you think about it. Barry Bonds is what I think about, a fucking home run. Yeah.

So, you know, the motivation behind Heisman, obviously, is my experience. Mm-hmm. And I just shared with you part of my experience. Right. The deeper experience was when it became public that I, that I was retiring and it was attached to me, fell in a, a, drug test, like for a minute, I went to a dark place because at least for me growing up, and I mentioned this earlier, like, I was trying to get out. And the story that I saw in the

community is what kept people from getting out, or at least the story they said, was drugs. Right. And so for me to be like a version of that story of someone who threw everything away or lost everything for drug, that was like, is that really, is that really what's going on? That's what everybody was saying. So I had to look in the mirror and say, is that? And I said, no, there's something else going on. There's something else going on. And I'm glad I had that moment and I kept going. And so I became curious about, you know, because, you know, my mom, you know, she was like, son, like you had all this stuff and you threw it away for weed.

Like, what is wrong with you? You know, and I was like, what do you mean? You know? And so again, I went on this mission to say, okay, like, I did do that, kind of. And so I was curious about what is this about? So I said, there must be something about this plant that they are lying to us about. Okay. And so I went on my journey.

and I started traveling around the world, okay? And I kind of was thinking I'm trying to get away from this stuff. Right. You know, but I was traveling around the world. Where did you travel to? I went to first place I went to was Fiji. Fiji, exactly. I had a friend of mine.

Wow. I had a friend of mine and she said, I'm about to go on this trip. And in America, everything I was watching on the news, people were just talking shit about me. So I was like, let me go with you. You know, because I realized, you know. Let me get away. Let me get away. I mean, my mom said, go where you're celebrated and not where you're tolerated.

So I said, I'm going to go somewhere where people are like, And it happened. I started traveling and people would come up to me not knowing who I was. Just surprised to see someone like me traveling. And without looking for it, people would just walk up to me and say, hey, do you smoke? And so I started having these amazing experiences all around the world. And again, and I was trying to get away from it. So I was like, okay, this is following me.

I need to do some research here. So I started to try to read everything I could about cannabis. And I couldn't find very much at all back then. And at the same time, I started to get interested in taking care of my body, like alternative ways of taking care of my body. So I found meditation. I found yoga. I found something called Ayurveda. It's Indian medicine, ancient Indian medicine.

And I started studying this. And I found this book. And they had a whole chapter on cannabis. And that's when it all started. I was like, okay. Wait. In this moment, you sound like you're being reborn. I was.

Okay. Keep on. Keep on. This book. Yeah, that's fire, bro. because the other part of the experience is I grew up very Christian, very Christian. Okay. But I kind of moved away from it. And when I retired, I just got this like obsession almost with trying to learn everything I can about Jesus. I started reading like, oh, it was this

re-it was this like reborn kind of rebirth of my spirituality. And I attributed to cannabis. It really opened my mind and started helping me make connections to things. And football was great and all that stuff was great, but I felt like it was meaningless. And as I left and started to explore all these other things, I started to find more meaning. That's when I started to study astrology and really learn about myself and realize I'm not just here to make money, right? I'm not just, that I have some kind of larger purpose. And pursuing that larger purpose became more interesting to me than sports.

Right. And so I started to be able to recognize that feel of what it feels like when I'm on my path. And I just, wherever it took me, I just said I'm, I committed. to that. You trust the process. I trust the process. Exactly. Early. Because I had to. You know, I gave up everything. And I gave up everything. I did exactly what what everyone told me I was not supposed to do. And when I

did it, I found out I was happier. And that was, like, shocking to me at first. Yeah. But then it changed my whole definition of, like, my friends and family. I said, to me, my definitions of friends and family are the people that are happy, that I'm happy, no matter what it looks like. That's exactly what it's supposed to be like, man, because, and look how you came up. You came out, bro. You came out sharper, wiser. You know what I'm saying? Your body, you mean, come on now. That's real. Come on now. Can't get no better than that. We really appreciate you here, man. The real legend, bro.

So that's what Heisman's about. It's about telling a different story. And I say, yeah, I won the Heisman trophy. I had a lot of success. A lot of success. And my greatest success is the things that I'm doing now. Right. And I say, Heisman's not about a trophy. It's about getting a high. That's exactly what it's doing. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Bro. That's why I keep lighting. Yes. I'm trying to keep going. Keep going. Barry Bond, bro.

How do you make this? Yeah. I need to learn how to make some stuff like this, bro. Goodness. Yeah. Hey, you know what? I know people. You want me tell you something?

You started like a trend, too. I want to tell you something. You started a trend with the visor. Yeah. Oh my gosh, bro. With the dreads coming out and the visor, it was just like you were fucking like mysterious, bro. It was so much power.

Like, how does that feel knowing y'all can't fuck with me? You know, here's what it is, though, because it's what I love, love about football. And I don't think enough people really appreciate this. You know, I think of the play, one of my favorite plays, my second favorite touchdown. This is my favorite college touchdown. Very. Yeah. Shit.

All right. That's home run leader. All right. Let me sit that down. Covey Bay. Okay, there we go. Yeah. So.

God, dog. Look, he had to sit back and smile. I'm telling you, man, the more I'm sitting here, I'm like, it tastes it so good. I just can't stop. But all right. Is this the Skittles word? Okay. Yeah.

But yeah, so my favorite touchdown run, 60-yard touchdown. general against Texas A&M to break the record for the most Russian yards ever in college football history. Okay. It was, I did it on a 60-yard run. And like that, it's the epitome of why I love football, okay? Because my job as a running back is to, is to take the ball and then the coach always says, we can block 10 of them, but we're going to leave one for you, okay? So we run the lead play. The line does their good job. There's a hole. Fullback comes in, does a good job, gets the linebacker, okay? The receiver comes back, cracks on the safety, leaves me the corner, okay?

Corner comes. I do my job. Everyone's doing their job, right? I do my job. Give the corner of the shoulder. He bounces off and I'm up the sideline. Okay. There's safety, okay? Fastest kid on their team is running to make the play. Okay. My receiver from the other side of the field, hustling, right?

Runs across, knocks the safety out of the way and lets me get into the end zone. Okay. So for that play to work, I get all the glory, okay? But everyone had to do their job. And football is the ultimate team sport. And for one player to accept. it requires everyone being on the same page. Sacrifice.

Yes. But there's, it's cooperation. And yes, in order to, to cooperate, you have to sacrifice your own personal needs

to be connected to what is the group one. And to me, like that cooperation and everyone understanding what, like, what I have to offer and we all,

like, show up and we all come together and to accomplish one thing, ah, that's what I love. I can relate, man. I play tight end.

Yeah. So I had to make them block something. You feel I'm saying? But sometimes it feels even better when even though you don't get like the, you know that you had to make that block to spring to play. Bro, when I would see our running back will number two just touchdown. It would make me feel like, yeah. I fucking smack this fucking dude.

They don't even know I play basketball. I got a Pfizer-old like fucking Ricky Williams. They don't know I'm smiling the whole time because I'm a big, nice, cool gangster. They don't know, you feel what I'm saying? And it's just like, fuck, man. You made that shit look so fucking cool, man. And, like, I don't want to, like, wrap this up, and I'm not going to wrap this up

because I want to know about the astrology, fam, because I want to get put onto astrology. Yeah. So what do you know so far about astrology? I know so far that your people's hit me up and asking me what was my birthday because they said, I was like, damn, because I was like, damn,

I'm about to do a background check on me. I'm really from the hood, bro, Ricky Williams. they got to check bait me. What's the big old deal? So I sent it, though, to 2087. You know what I mean? I was born 223 in the morning. Yeah.

You know, I'm with that. Yeah. You know, what's the date? We in February, it's the twos, right? We hear it, and I'm sitting in Adam 22 chair right now. You know? But I'm sure you talked to somebody, probably a chick about astrology. No one chick ever said like you're at Aquarius or you're from Compton where astrology is not even a thought.

Wow. I thought about it because of you. I'm doing homework on Ricky Williams. They're talking about astrology. Now I need to know about it. I want to know from you. The horse's mouth, man. Because I know if I get it from a girl,

she's going to get me the wrong shit. It's true. It's real. You said it's real. It's real. So the best way to explain what astrology is, especially to a dude, is like a game plan.

You know, like when you are playing any sport, right? You learn the plays. And then if you got to, You know the plays, you learn the plays, and then you have to execute the plays. Okay. Right. And if you do that, you win typically. And so I think in life, if we, it's coming back to what I said about football in life,

if we understand, first of all, like, what we're good at, right? Because imagine if you're trying to play any game, you're trying to play football, and you don't know what, like the first day, that first day of Pop Warner, right? Where everyone runs out and everyone's like, they don't know much about football. And the coach does all the drills to see, okay, who are the fast kids, who are the quick kids, who can catch, who can throw, okay? So the first thing is we got to know what we're good at, right? Otherwise, how do we know how we're going to contribute to the team?

And the next stage is we got to like practice and become better at what we're good at. Okay. And then we got to learn the plan, the scheme of how does everyone fit? And then we got to go do our job. So astrology helps us understand like, first of all, like, what are we good at? What are our, what are our skills and our talents? And it can help us learn how to how to hone those skills and abilities. And then it'll help us find our place where we fit.

and then we can show up and execute the game plan. But because, you know, Martin Luther King said, he said it best. He said, he said, there's two sets of laws. He says there's God's laws and there's man's laws. Right. And he says, my mission is to help bring those two things closer together. And once we're born, we're, as soon as we're born, like, man's laws are put on us, like our parents.

Yeah, from society. Yeah, from society. And we, and sometimes if we don't have someone, kind of spiritual connection, we actually forget, we actually forget about God's laws. God's law. Yeah. And we start veering off into man's law more. And sometimes we veer off into man's law thinking we're doing the right thing because that's what we've been taught. Okay? Because especially for us, the man is not for us. So astrology, the best way to say it, astrology puts us in contact with God's laws and God's plan for us. Okay. And sometimes, and we all need a reminder sometimes.

And it's not like we need astrology because some of us just, figuring out, we figure out we're like me, right? I figured out the hard way that, you know, man's law for me was to use all of my genius and my brilliance to run for football yards and make other people money. Okay, that's, that's their plan. God's plan for me is something a little bit different. And it took me a while to figure it out, but I did. And it's funny. And that's what that's what drew me to astrology. I met this woman who was an astrologer. I gave my information, and we started having a conversation. And she didn't know me. from Jack, right? And she, but she basically could, she basically told the story. She said,

you know, you're going to be tempted to move in one direction, but your true path is more towards a healer and a teacher. And, and that's how I was feeling, but I felt like everyone I would talk to people about that. They would say, no, shut up and dribble. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're running this touchdown. Exactly. Exactly. And so to have that inner, right, that inner God's plan reinforced by someone else, like, I was off. It's all, I needed to, I just needed, I just needed, One more person to acknowledge that that voice inside of my head was not crazy. One person. I'm shook.

Yeah. You're about to have me into astrology, man. Yeah. For real, for real, because what I get from it is just like taking a leap out on faith. Yeah. It teaches you how to have, because people say faith, but how do we validate faith? To me, astrology allows me to validate faith. I say, okay, this is what I believe in, and I can see.

Like, what happened? Right. What happened? And so it's not just blind faith. this faith that we can validate. Sweet. Last but not least, does it like ever come to mind

that the Heisman trophy is a running back, running the ball? Well, kind of back then, everybody was a running back. Okay. The quarterback wasn't running back. And the receivers were blockers. Okay.

But here's the way I look at it. Because to me, if it's about the Heisman trophy, only one person gets the Heisman trophy. But to me, what it represents is excellence, excellence, right? There's an association with greatness. And to me, everyone can be great if they know that their role, their role. And for me, I thought my role was this, but it was actually something different.

And that's really the message behind Heisman is that it's my version of Martin Luther King Jr's message of there's two laws, right? And what I found is when I started using cannabis, it helped me connect to God's laws and not pay so much attention to the other words. Yeah, I appreciate you, Ricky, man. How'd you like to interview? Ah, this was wonderful, man. The show, Part 2 coming soon? Yeah, of course. Hell yeah.

Part 2 will be all astrology. How about that? I'm with that. Part 2, I'll just break down your whole chart for you. Hell yeah, I'm with that, man. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. This was the motherfucking first episode of Sports Talk with your boy, Big Ski. Banger, Ricky Williams in the building, and we out this bitch.