No Jumper - Rondodasosa on Creating Italian Drill, Getting Banned by Police, Becoming a Crip & More

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

Rondodasosa was in LA and made a quick stop to talk about his rise, making drill big in Europe, working with US and UK artists, how he became a crip and more.   / rondodasosa   ----- 0:00 Intro 0:00 Adam on DMing Rondo when he was in Florence for his wedding. Rondo speaks on growing up in Milan, growing up in the Trenches of San Siro 3:00 Mostly grew up on Eminem and 50 Cent 3:40 Relationship with his father, leading the new wave of rappers in Italy, and if he listened to any Italian rappers growing up 5:30 Rondo on being influenced by Chief Keef and Chicago drill music. Adam asks Rondo where we got his name from, and getting arrested when he was younger 8:36 Adam ask if there is a dr*g problem in Italy, and Rondo says it’s hard for the youth of Italy to make money and get jobs 10:42 Rondo speaking on how fast his songs blew up. Rondo says the audience only enjoys an artist when they are struggling and hate on them when they get some money and fame. 13:55 Rondo on how he met with Central Cee in the UK. Rondo speaks on people copying his style. Rondo talks about learning English on his own after dropping out of school 17:30 Rondo says he wants to be the first Italian rapper to make it in America, and people always bringing up stereotypes about Italians and like the mafia and pasta. 21:25 Rondo says the New York pizza was trash, and Adam argues pizza in America is way better 22:38 Rondo on being on the Body Remix with Tion Wayne. Rondo explains what the spaghetti mafia is, and wanting to open up a spaghetti mafia store. 25:04 Rondodasosa explains the “dasosa” from his name, not being able to perform in his city coz of his lyrics, and beef with other artist in the scene 28:53 Adam asks Rondo about his relationship with the police, Rondo on why he started representing Crip 32:15 Rondo speaks about how he knows Big U, checking in when going to different parts of the world. Rondo on meeting 60s from LA. 34:30 Adam is impressed with Rondos jewelry and he explains what they all mean 37:00 Rondo explains Italian slang terms to Adam, and wants him to meet Crip Mac. 41:00 Rondo hits Adam with a “Deez Nutz” joke. 41:19 Adam asks Rondo if there are a lot of illegal g__s and kn*ves in Italy. Adam and Rondo agree that getting st___ed is worse ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today, my first ever Italian guest, I'm guessing, or at least Italian rapper, guess. Rondo is in the building. How you feeling, man? What's on, bro. Are you good? Yeah, I'm hyped to meet you. I know I messaged to you when I was in Florence right before I got married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember that. You said wrong side, wrong side of the country.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember, remember. What's good? But I've been fascinated by you because I think I first saw you with Central. see a couple years ago when I interviewed him yeah yeah I see I see yeah yeah definitely so okay tell me a little bit about Milan if I'm getting it correctly what's like where you're from I am from Milan it's like a city from the north of Italy yeah I was born there raised yeah what's it known for out there it's like the fashion capital Italy right yeah exactly yeah but like what's what's

What area of Milan are you from? What's it like? I'm from San Siro. Right, right. Where at the stadium. Yeah. And it's a little bit more grimy over there, I'm guessing? Yeah, like San Sero got like two part.

It's got the good part of the block is like where the stadium or the people go. But if you like around go, two blocks is like the other part of the Nsero where nobody talks about it. Right. Because I was watching the Vice documentary thing. and I don't know is that really like a spot that you guys would kick it normally or was that yeah for the video where everybody like where everybody like um raised where everybody like stay here where we like we tuned there we we posted up there right yeah but somebody like i was watching with somebody in there like yo like they can't be kicking it there still because once

you film a vice video there there it's going to be hot and the cops are going to be going there, right? Is that the case? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you had to find a new spot for a little while? Yeah. Okay. And, all right, so what was your childhood like?

What? What was your childhood like when you were young? It was like me, for me, for like burning that area. It's like give me the motivations, like give me who I am. today because I really appreciate. I really, I'm thankful to God. I was born in that place because it really gave me the angry for everything. They really got me, like, the motivation came out of the mood, you know?

Yeah, yeah, it's like that. What kind of music were you listening to when you were younger? When I was younger, I was like, I was raised by my mom. So my mom really got a good culture of the music. And I was born in 2002. So like the music I was listening is like for 2004, 2006, 2007. Like Eminem 50 cents. Eminem 50 cents.

I really listen upsin. You know, Absin? I grew up with that type of music. My mom listened like Mia, Beyonce, Beyonce, and every type of this music from 2004, you know. Right. So your dad wasn't around? No.

Do you know where he went? He's in jail. Oh, he was in jail. Yeah, he was in jail. For what? I want to speak about that. Okay. But, like, were you visiting him when you were young?

No. Would he ever call? No. Really? Your mom wasn't on great terms with them. Yeah, yeah, I love my mom. Okay. But she didn't like your dad?

Huh? She didn't really... They were cool, but not like that. Yeah, they're cool. Okay. What about the Italian rap scene? Because, like, people always give you credit and say that you're basically, like, leading the wave of the new generation.

But, like, was there any Italian rap that you would be listening to growing up? Yeah, like, I was growing up, like, listen. club dogo marrakesh guepenio and like the first gangst rap music in italy it was called like O'Day Klan

it was like a group gang really from Rome and like some members now are died some members are alive but they're really the first who put the gangst shit on Italy and it was like I talk about like

2009, 2010, 2008, yeah, about that age. Definitely. You need to do some research. Yeah, I got to listen to more of the shit, to figure out the origins. The cold is, yeah, or they clon. But, yeah, some people, they really told me,

yeah, you put the Italy on the map. Before me, like, just two artists made some things, but the situation is never being big, like now, you know, and these artists is like Capo Plaza and Sferibuster. Right. And so were you one of the first people to really get on to like the drill type thing? Because that's what the word that people usually use when they mention you is the drill thing. But was there anything like that coming from Italy before you?

No, no, no. I was the first to start the drill team. Yeah, I was the first to start the drill. Yeah, everybody after made the drill. So it's like the wave, you know. Right. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, Drew really put me in.

You know, really put me on the map, you know what I'm saying? Right. And were you influenced by the Chicago drill scene? Yeah, I really grew up, listen to that, you know. It's like all over the world, like 2012 music like shift Keeff and other things. Right. So was your name influenced by Rondo No, it was influenced by Regan Rondo. Okay.

You know, the basket. Okay. Basket play. Right. You ever listen to Rondo number nine, though? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, listen. Yeah.

He was, like, one of the first guys from that whole scene to get, like, an extremely long sentence. And for us, people that kind of realize, like, oh, these are the consequences of all the shit that's going on in Chicago. Yeah. So, I don't know. He's, like, got, like, a kind of weird influence because, like, that's 6-9's favorite rapper, he would always say, too. Not to mention 6-9 or anything. I don't know about that. Right.

Okay. So were you getting in trouble or what kind of kid were you, when you were younger? Was there a lot of going on the street? Yeah, I was, yeah, I was born, yeah, in Sancero, so I made a lot of mistakes. Yeah, I really made a lot of mistakes, but I really was like the smart kid of the, you know. I really start to learn about some things, you know. Yeah, just like that. Right.

I mean, it's got to be a learning curve. You ever get arrested or anything when you were younger? No, never been arrested. I got arrested. but not like to go to the jail is like you can go out like and to the process because when you um when you're under 18 in italy and you made like some uh some like what can i say some like come see reato yeah if you do some crime and you under 18 like you can you can get out they they really never made it to jail but yeah so i made my mistake

six before the 18 and when I was 18 I made music so I can really get out of these things. So yeah, that was part of the reason why you started making music because you were trying to leave the street stuff alone? Yeah, because because that was me and my mama and I won't really make something because I really I was really tired to stay every day on the fucking blob and made nothing, bro. I was tired of living that shit. I would say I want to change my life, you know what I'm saying? So selling drugs is one of the main things that a young kid from where you're from will get into?

Yeah, of course. Right. There's a lot of people doing drugs. There's a lot of, like, are they like, because I don't know when we think about people who are fucked up on drugs, we think about like there being a lot of homeless people and a lot of violence and shit like that. Is it that kind of shit too? Yeah, it's the same in every part of the world. In every part of the world you can see the shit, true, you know.

Right. Definitely. Yeah, because, I mean, that's one other thing they say about a lot of parts of Europe and Italy in particular is that the economy isn't great. Does it feel like there aren't really opportunities for young kids out there? No. No. In Italy, you really made it if you like an actor or singer or if you do the criminals. You can really make it another way because some things off the country, you can really make it. Or you go like basketball player or you really act or you a soccer player or you are a rapper. But

Right. You can really make money in Italy. Do you don't that? The youth feel kind of hopeless, would you say? What? Like the young people, do they feel kind of hopeless, like they don't really have a future? Yeah, it's really like that.

But my purpose is like really push the young to hustling, to grind. You know what I'm saying? This is really my purpose. Because I don't like it like the youngest, every day on the TikTok, made some dumb shit or talk. on the internet or do nothing or like made some bullshit i really just want to make like i really push the young to grind and work and if you really believe in yourself i really believe in your dream you can really made it you know i'm saying definitely like those kids kind of don't have hope so you're

trying to be that person that can inspire yeah yeah because now like the things in italy is like start to changing you know because the new generation like the new generation of italy is like black and North Africa and the Italian Italian young is really changed you know yeah yeah definitely so what do you think of my my trip to Italy we did Florence and then we did Capri and then we did the Amalfi Coast yeah you go to the tourist tourist yeah yeah pretty much right in the tourist place yeah that's cool you been there and stuff because I mean some of the nicest places I ever been in my life no I never been in Florence also some of the most expensive places i've ever been in my life yeah really i've never been in florence uh i was yeah i was

in the south of italy right yeah it's pretty cool that was yeah yeah it's a good time um okay so you get into doing music and did you actually leave all the criminal shit behind once you started making music you did a transition yeah of course okay and so uh how long did it take before some of your music started to catch on it's quickly really yeah my first song blew up it blew up just Just the audio? You didn't even do a video yet? Yeah, just a shit video. I pay like a hundred. 100, wow. My grandma grave, bro. I pay like 100 the video.

Yeah, and it just started blow up. It just started going crazy. What do you think it was? Like, what did people like about it so much that they were drawn to it? Yeah, because, like, when our artists really come from nothing, people like the hungry, you know, like the things you really, you really. from the mood, you know, so they fuck with you until you get rich. When you get rich, like they say, oh, this motherfucker get rich, you don't have the angry, don't have something, you know? Yeah, it's just like that. So is that kind of how it feels now that like you were getting all the support

now that you're blowing up? Some people from your hometown are sort of looking for reasons to hate on you? Yeah, because I get rich, yeah. Right. Yeah, because I get rich. Yeah, it's the envy. It's like in every part, you know. It's like that in every, every part of the world. like that where you get rich you know some people hate you some people love you yeah the important is get money you know that's a fact yeah so okay what uh what is it like in America whenever a rapper has any kind of success there's always like a bunch of businessmen and labels and shit who starts swooping in and trying to work with them was it like that for you or did you have to kind of figure it out yourself in terms of how to

get your music out there no no no I got I got some people they really help me here but Without these people, I can really move here because I don't know how the people work, how they move around here, and how the music is from another country. So I have some people that really helps me. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. And I feel like, do you feel like you have a ton of support from your country as well, though? Like, because they got to be proud of you and excited about it, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I feel it. Like, yeah, like, yeah. Like, some people hate me, some people love me, but, yeah. But overall, the country's got to be pretty excited because they, like, I feel like a lot of parts of Europe probably are kind of sick of American music being so popular and shit, and they want to have their own rappers. Yeah, it's like that, but the USA music is really extreme in Europe. Everybody loves the USA music. Do you listen to any of the drill music from the UK and shit? Not so much.

Not really? No, not so much. Okay. So when you worked with Central Sea, how did you get acquainted with? with him. Sorry? When you worked with Central C, how did you meet him?

Because it's like we, he got like 60,000 of followers. Me, I got 60,000 of followers. And we like, we post our same outfit the same day with the same tracks with blue. So I hear him up like,

Yo, Osabro, where are you from? He's from UK. We start singing. It's really my friend. It really helped me a lot. It really helped me in the UK. I got a lot of people in UK. They really helps me.

They really believe in me. So, yeah. Yeah. And it's actually insane how big he's blown up since then, too. Like, he just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so proud of him, I'm sorry, bro. Yeah.

I'm so proud, bro. It's pretty crazy. So, okay, do you feel like you have a lot of... They were telling me there's a lot of copycats, or, like, the drill scene has kind of, like, spun out of control since you started doing your thing. Is this true? What you said, bro?

Like, people copying you, or people from where you're from who are kind of doing the same thing? Yeah, they definitely copy me. Yeah, because, yeah, um... I really bring my type of shit. I really bring my type of style. I really bring some things. And yeah, people do copy me, but I don't give a fuck.

Is there any, do you regret it at all? Like creating this whole movement? No, right? I don't regret nothing. Yeah. Yeah. No regrets. Yeah.

Definitely. Okay. So when you were younger, did you speak English at all? Because I feel like you've been working on it and getting a lot better over the last few years. I really never go to school. I drop out from, for like, you've got the different things here in USA for the school, but I never go to the school.

I just go to the primary school, the secondary, and I drop out. So I never get my, like, diploma. Diploma? Yeah, I never be, and I never heard that diploma. Right. So you just, you didn't like the school thing?

Like, how do you work on English or how have you gotten better at it over the years? My English? Yeah. I think it's good, but not too much good, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's pretty impressive. Like, I can speak with you. I can understand what you say, but I got some, like, I made some mistakes on the verbs and some shit, you know? Right.

I need to study, yeah. I mean, compared to, like, the average person from Europe, though, you're, like, way better. Yeah? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, no. But are you moving to, to, to, to, um, to, to, America? Because like you're out in California now. Are you planning to move out here permanently? Yeah. The facts is like they bring my passport. My passport is not valid now. So I take a flight from

Switzerland. So in Switzerland when you got some problem, like, and you got your passport take out, they can see what you got. So I can move from Italy to here. But if I can, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if come back to Italy they bring my passport so I can I can go out to Italy okay but you you you like living in LA is this one of your favorite places to stay um yeah I like it yeah I like it I like I like the Canada too yeah I really like to run so I've been there I really like so if you could stay in any city in America or Canada where yeah yeah I just want to travel right yeah definitely yeah so is that part of why you've been kind of working on your English is just because you like want to be able to like

Because you're starting to rap in English more and shit, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I want to really make a takeover for here. I want to be the first Italian rapper, everybody who can really say, yo, he really made it, you know? Right. I just wanted that.

Because African artists now, they really made it. Mexican people in their music, they really made it over here in the USA. UK people with Sanchi they really made, like Sanchi really made something in USA. So I was being the first Italian, the people really say, okay, Italy is really now on the map right now, you know. Right. Because that is one crazy thing that all throughout the history of hip hop, it's always like America has just been so resistant to people from other cultures because I think Americans are so close-minded that they don't really want to open their minds of other stuff. But like even outside of hip-hop, like Americans. love K-pop now.

Like, Korean rap and shit. Now the things in USA got to change, I see, like, too many artists from USA go to the African carcerts or, you know,

so I think now the culture is really like unit, you know? Yeah. Everybody's looking to expand, too, because, like, you got a little dirt doing songs with country singers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

I like that. Gets them out to a way bigger audience. Yeah, I like that, I like that. Definitely. Okay, so you have this other song, what's it called, Eurovision? Where you got a bunch of different European artists on it and stuff? Like, was that an attempt to create some kind of unity across the continent? Yeah, me and Baby Ganga on that song, we really put Italy on the map.

I fuck with the European rap. I fuck with the French. Gasola Creme Zola, Cobra, everybody, I really fuck with a French rap I fuck with the UK rap too

I fuck with Sanch Ross or Frado everybody I really fuck with the UK rap and yeah I'm really thankful for Sanch to really put me on that

and yeah when you meet Americans and you're from Italy if they don't know who you are already like what kind of stereotypes do they have What type of shit do they say? Mafia.

They always bring up the mafia thing? Mafia and spaghetti shit, you know. What do you think of that when they bring up the mafia stereotype? Because it's true. Right. Yeah, it's true. It is. So was that an option for you when you were a kid?

If you didn't be a rapper, you think you'd be in the mafia? Huh? If you weren't a rapper, would you be in the mafia? Me? Yeah. I don't know, bro. It's hard to tell? Huh?

Hard to tell? What do you do? I don't want to speak about that. Well, it's like hypothetical. Like, you didn't join it, right? But like, it's hypothetical. Like, you didn't join the mafia, but you think that that's what would have happened if you... We can speak about that.

Oh, okay. I got you. For sure. All right. So, okay, besides that, though, like, they always bring up spaghetti and shit. Is that annoying that everybody, is it annoying or is that... Do you think it's lame that everybody, like, just thinks of Italy and they immediately think of pasta? No, it's cool.

Not it's cool because we really hit pasta. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, so... Yeah, when you're out there. But, man, going to all those fans. fancy-ass restaurants in Italy, man, they were serving fish. Like, I ate so much fucking fish out there because all the nice restaurants just want to serve you whatever fish they catch, like, in their shores.

Yeah, I probably, but, yeah, Italy got a really good food. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you had a spaghetti? Yeah, you got a spaghetti? You just ordered spaghetti? Yeah, yeah. For everybody? Yeah, for you, bro.

Not for me, but for him? Yeah, yeah, for you, bro. That's what's up. Do you, have you, have you had a lot of? Have you had American pizza yet? I would try the pizza in New York, but it's really shit, bro. You didn't like it? No.

I was just arguing about this with my girl, because I say that American pizza is better than Italian pizza. American pizza is better? Yeah. No, you're tripping. The Italian pizza is like, it's small, it's thin, it's kind of, there'll be like one pepperoni on it. American pizza is like 800 calories, a big greasy fucking slice.

The crust is this big. It's thick. No? You're tripping, bro. That's not good, bro. American pizza, bro, it's not good, bro. To east there on, man. You ever been to Pizza Hut?

Huh? Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut? Pizza Hut? Pizza Hut's pretty good. Yeah, it's not cool. Okay. Yeah, I like.

Yeah, I like. It's just a different vibe out here. You guys do, like, high-end pizza, sort of. I mean, there's a lot of different types of Italian pizza, too, so. Yeah. It's kind of hard to judge. You got to go to Chicago and get the deep dish. Yeah, I heard about that.

It's from another planet. It's not really like... It's all pizza, right? Yeah, it's almost like a bowl of pizza because it's like the fucking crust will be like this tall and shit. And you can only eat like one or two pieces because even though it's small because it's so thick and dense. Okay, so yeah, was that a big moment for you when you got on the body remix with Tion Wayne in them? Because I saw that and I thought that was, that's got to be pretty big too, right? Yeah.

It's like the song of the European because the Italy, Italy. the Italy team, like, go in the final with the UK. Oh, okay. So everybody streamed the fucking song, and he made the mad numbers. Like, it got like 100 million of stream, probably. Right. So you're a huge football fan? Me?

Yeah. I like the football, but I don't really watch it because I don't got time, bro. I don't got time to watch football. Right. We call it soccer. But you see how I just fit in and just call it football? like real smooth. I'm starting to learn about soccer

because I'm taking my kid to soccer, but she's like two, so she ain't really doing that much out there. Yeah. Yeah, it's taking a little while to get used to it. So what's the spaghetti mafia? What's the spaghetti mafia? Yeah, explain that to the people.

Spaghetti Mafia is like the thing how the American people see like the Italy, Italy or Italy stirruity, like spaghetti mafia, you know, people from USA or everybody say, Yeah, Italian, yeah, spaghetti mafia, you so. And like, people when you start, heard about spaghetti mafia, it's like, yo, yo, yo, yo. And the other things is like, soon, I don't want to be, I don't want to tell how, when.

But we want to open, like, spaghetti mafia store around the world. So it's like you can come and you bring your bow or like 10 type of pasta, you come and you bring your pasta. you come and you bring your food off bowl and you can go where you know Oh that's dope Yeah yeah That bring your own bowl type I never I never thought of that with pasta

Yeah yeah spaghetti Mafia Definitely What's your favorite kind of pasta? Pasta Me are spicy pasta Really? Yeah Spicies

Yeah I want to open my first story in London Okay Yeah spaghetti Mafia Because I got a lot of people over there They help me so yeah You think your London audience Is almost bigger than your Italian audience Maybe it's like, yeah, I got a really, I got really like a big UK, big UK fan and people really help me here.

Right, yeah. Definitely. So Rondo to Sosa. What's the Sosa mean? What's the Sosa? Yeah, like my name. Oh, that's your actual name? Yeah.

Oh, okay. No, it's like my rap name. No, I know, but like what does it translate to? What? For what? The Sosa part. for the for the film scarface oh yeah soza that translate oh oh okay but in it's like um it's like a coach of everybody called soza it's not i'm not only one artist called soza it's

like sonya fe called soza yeah okay so do you have a bunch of people it's like um i don't know you know like USA people got like a surname like uh i don't know like some people called jay money or like uh Yeah, in Italian we use like soza like, you know? Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay.

So how did you get banned from your country? Like, what, you can't perform in Italy? Or what is the issue with the police in you? I was banned because I got some legal issue over there. Uh-huh. And because the police think I'm a violent culture. And they think my lyric. lyrics are violent, so they abandoned me from perform, for me the concerts in my own city.

But now I become more bigger, so they can tell me nothing. Really? But I really fight for this. So you've kind of shown them that you're not just like some gang rapper or whatever, so they kind of have to back off at a certain point because you're playing such big venues or whatever? Yeah, yeah, I became really big, big in Italy. so you can buy me no more you know right like when i when when when when when i start to blow up like they really stop my concerts police come to the concerts and say to the people to the people

of like they they got the they got the the the concerts say like oh if you if you if you if you if you put like rondo perform we we close your we close your concerts and you would need to pay the You need to pay like a penalty, you know? Right. Yeah, yeah. Damn. So, but now you're this big, like, what's the biggest venue or the biggest number of people that you ever performed in front of in Italy?

I don't know. I mean, my concerts with most people is like a beneficial for the benefits, for the youngest, you know, in Piazza Duomo, the biggest place of, you know. Italy, you know, Piazza Duomo. We're the church, the biggest church. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we made, like, a concert there is probably like 20,000 people. Wow.

Yeah, around there. What would that feel like? But everybody from the Italy go there. Like, every artist of Italy go to this concert because it's like for the children, you know. No money. I didn't even get paid. We all give the money to the children, you know. Uh-huh.

Yeah, yeah. So all the big artists from Italy kind of came out for it? Yeah, performed gratis. Wow. Yeah. Does everybody get along in terms of the popular rappers in Italy or is there a bunch of beef? Yeah, we have beef. Really?

Yeah. Did everybody just put it to the side for this benefit event? No, some artists can get invited. Oh, really? Because of me. But the last year, I was getting invited because some people got beef with me. Really? Yeah.

Damn. It gets controversial, huh? Interesting. So do you do you do you do you do you? Would you say you generally have a good relationship with the police at this point or do you feel like they're kind of out to get you? Well now in Italian police in Milan police they open a department who study or study the rappers really? Yeah, yeah. Be after the the jude the shoot and the new youngest of the rap because before me and baby gang

the Italian rap was quiet, you know, but like now the new generation is like more savage and more, you know, you made more mistakes, more, you know. It's like more crazy the new generation of people in Italy. Because they're just... They're trying to get attention, so they start doing the craziest shit that they can think of? Just not for that, because it's like just crazy, you know.

Right. Yeah, the music and the things and everybody don't make money and people, you know? Yeah. Now, I mean, we're at the point where there's almost like a drill scene in every, like, big American city where there's just like more and more. Like, and a lot of it's just beef. And you'll hear about some dude who got killed. And then you'll go and you'll realize that this little ass city had a whole world of rappers dissing each other and going back and forth getting like 5,000 views on the shit. And it's just kind of crazy that they're just being influenced by these dudes who are millionaires. Yeah. So I notice you're wearing a lot of blue. you say that you're a cripping in the music.

When did that become part of your life? Because when we started Jewish shit, a lot of gangs would start to burn in Italy. Like the new youngest start, like, create the rat gangs, blood. But the gang shit started in Italy around like 10 years ago because the Latinos come to Milan.

and create the first blood set. Really? Yeah, and MS-13, Mar-Salvatrucha. And this is up in 10 years ago, and now everything is like evolved, and now burn like the cribs and blood. Really? Yeah, like every, like every rapper with the money

and she have their own gang, and they finesse. With the rap music, they finesse the shit, you know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Wow, so is it mostly the bloods are Spanish people and then the Italians are Crips? Exactly.

Really? Wow, that's so interesting. And like, so it's kind of like a national pride thing at a certain point. Yeah. Damn. So have you seen problems with like immigration in Italy where just like too many people coming in and you hear about that on the news a lot? Yeah, but I don't really give a fuck because

the Europe country go to the African to steal the shit, to steal the gas to steal something, but it's cool if they come to the host country. Yeah, there's a lot of migration in Italy. So a lot of young people like you don't really view it as a bad thing? Because we mostly hear about it being a bad thing in the news and stuff. Like that there's just, oh, there's so many migrants showing up all over Europe and shit. Yeah, people complain about this, but they really, they really start to realize people before, before come to the country to steal everything from Africa. So, you know, definitely. So is it true that you have a relationship

with a big you yeah yeah um big you is really like a big OG and people from my country they they know him it's really like a big Jew yeah I fuck with the old 60 I fuck with the old Crip from here and like when you come like as foreign in another another country you need to get check you know what I'm saying this is the gangland you need you need to get check you you need to bring your respect to these people because it's their city you know it's like the same like when our artist come to milan you need to get check and i think it's like that in every part of the world you know when you come to when you're not from the local when you're not a local you need to patch them with the right

people from there i'm saying then so who introduced you to big you stephen oh he did okay this is his manager for the record yeah how'd you meet stephen uh we met like um one years ago two years ago, yeah. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people, the problem they run into is that they try to tap in when they go to a city, but then they tap in with the wrong person. But Big U is pretty trustworthy.

You've been in the game for a long time. Big shout out to Big U. Right, definitely. So is that kind of, have you been around a bunch of rolling 60s or a bunch of, have you gone to these sort of events and stuff where there's a lot of them? And do you think that they understand, like,

what you're doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we go to hit something. Yeah. I made some track. Because we had a Crip from Texas, and people just seemed like really

confused. Like even, and that's Texas. It's not that far away. But he's saying he's a Crip, and a lot of the Crips in L.A. were just thrown for a loop. But oh, he's also gay. So that was part of it. A lot of people did not want him to be considered a Crip because he was gay. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Texas is like a different world.

I don't understand. He's like a homosexual Just this one dude But a lot of the LA Crips weren't really feeling it I don't know about this thing No yeah I really don't know I stay on my own lane bro I don't give a fuck But other shit

Definitely yeah Okay so the jewelry like you kind of Went crazy with all the little I don't know if the camera Can really see it but you got all kinds of little Like bandana things like worked into the jewelry and shit Like that's pretty sick I never seen that before Yeah This is my own gang

SSG? SSG, Sandsiro gang. This is my own gang. This is the seven-so. This is the group of every singer from my area. Okay. Because I'm not me.

I go like seven people that rap in my hood. This is my name. Yeah. This is the double high. And I got it another here. I'm going to be real, man. Like the Crips out here. gonna fucking love that shit when they see that they're gonna think that's about the coolest jewelry they ever seen

someone like look heavy your things or like heavy this is the double high like they protect your energy you know what's saying really you think that the the jewelry protects your energy no these things here oh on the sides of it there you got like a little bolzaa thing okay oh it's an eye yeah yeah damn that's dope so how long have you actually been in america on this trip how long have you been in l.a on this trip oh like one week definitely if you could do if you could work with any LA artist or any American artists who stands out the most as people you'd like to collaborate with no I just I just made my own things I'm here for work to my things in Italy and

just like just record my shit definitely um okay like where could you see the the future of your music going like like other other styles of music that you would want to pursue or where do you see your style going? I'm like now I may like gangster music or like street music but when like I grew up I really like change my music to something to yeah like some positive music you know like some music for the family for music for the moms for you know for like I just want to make like

melodic music and like pain music you know I'm saying? Definitely yeah what a okay so kind of going with a more mature approach as time goes by that makes sense are there any words that are like slang terms

that in Italy? Yeah that we should know about yeah yeah I got it I got it I got it a list This is the devil how I told you You ever seen this? No, I don't think so I like it though It's blue

Everything's blue with you huh You gotta respect that You want to meet Crip Mac? Crip Mac? 55 He would love you Yeah, yeah Oh my God

That would be way too crazy Oh man I'm not trying to pimp you out Like that or anything But we definitely got to have him Meet Crip Mac at some point That would be epic Just don't do a song with him

Or if you got tax them If you do a song with him Hit him for a good crumbag Hit him for the high You got to So like You need 55,000 The

The beach The beach? Yeah, the beach Like a hoe We call it like Strunza Stronsa Yeah, it's like

La Yellam your strontza Like She's like my bitch Okay You know Yeah Like the teeth The teeth of the girl

Yeah When like When a girl got big, big boobs, yeah, we call like Bastarde. Okay, like, guarda que bastard dexter dey that has. Okay, that means you got some nice-ass tities? Yeah, yeah. Okay. And like the handgun, we call like, you know, the stick, like we call like,

Bambina. Or ferro. Ferro. Ferro. Ferro. I can't really roll the art. Canone. Canone.

Canone. Canone. It's like the stick, like bambina. We call it like bambina. Like, bambina means like low children. Okay. Low girl children. But in Italy is another meme.

Like, I keep my bambina. My little guy on me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I like that. For the money, we call like fresca. Fresca. Yeah, I heard that before, yeah. The Andredred.

We call gamba. Gamba. Gamba. It means like leg. Okay. This is the hundred. And the thousand we call like palo. Palo.

Palo. Okay. Yeah, I got one palo. So I got one thousand. Okay. Yeah. The police, we call it like Sbirri. Spilly.

Sbirri. That's another R. I'm not going to do. We call it like Popo. Popo, yeah. Popo, yeah. Sese. Okay.

Sese or like pula or madama. Okay. Yeah. When you like a loser or like a dumb ass, like bozo? A goofy. A goofy ass, yeah, right? We call it like babbo. Babbo.

Yeah, you're a babbo. Okay. Yeah, you're right? That would hurt my feelings, yes. No, no. No, no. And when you hike us fuck and you're hungry, you can say,

Andiamas chemikare. when you're hungry, when you want to hit You know, we say, Andyama's Kimikata That's honestly kind of where I'm at right now Yeah Yeah And for like You say, oh shit

We say like Morda Mada is like shit Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah And for the last like Asler A hustler

Initially we call it like Cavallo Cavallo Cavallo is like horse Okay But like horse and ushling Like usler is like When people never stop, you know, Cavallo. It's like every time you're running, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And the other things we say like these. Dees. Yeah, you know this? No, what's that mean? These. These. You know this?

What was it mean? These nuts. Well played, my friend. That was a lot of buildup to that moment. You just killed it. You just won a lot of people over. Right there. You got the viral moment on deck.

Oh, my God. That's crazy. Hey, I just wanted to ask, because you mentioned the guns. Yeah. Are there a lot of guns in Italy, or are they hard to get your hands on? Yeah, yeah, we got a lot of guns, but they're not legal. They're not. They're not.

They're not legal. So a lot of people got the knife, the knife things, like UK. Right. But yeah A lot of guns in Italy But it's not It's not legal I can really speak on that

But if you really got good money Or a good lawyer You can get out in two Three hours But you got away to your Curr Day A lot of people in America Kind of laugh

At the idea of people in England Having guns and shit But then I seen some videos of dudes Like in the hood in England Fighting with knives and they have the craziest fucking knives ever, and they're not scared to slash the fuck out of each other. Like, I've never seen this kind of shit in America in some of these videos.

I personally, I think, like, the knife is really worse than a gun. But imagine, like, some people like, yeah, log out the UK. But imagine if in some place the guns is legal, so everybody can make it. But imagine in Italy, nobody can have the gun, but everybody can have a gun. you know, it's like more risk. You know what I'm saying what I'm saying? Yeah.

Definitely. But I mean, there's something about stabbing somebody where I interviewed this rapper back in the day, Unknown Tea, and then he got picked up for a murder, and he actually beat the murder, so I have no idea if he actually ever did anything. But when I was reading about it in the news, it was like just the mental image of him just stabbing somebody in the fucking stomach a bunch of times and killing him was just so crazy to me because, like, I know a lot of people who fucking shot people. And that's crazy too.

but it's like shooting someone is kind of like random like you're you're far away from them and you just press a button a bunch of times and if you press it in the right direction then they die like something about the knife is just fucking crazier i don't know yeah yeah um okay so now that you're out here what's the game plan like you you're thinking about dropping are you gonna do like a whole album that is mostly english or how do you how do you approach that for yeah for the usa market yeah yeah i want to start to make some music in you English. So people really can understand me because if I rap in Italian, nobody can really understand what I'm saying. Right. I really start with some English music. Are you kind of concerned

that the Italian fans might look at you like you were turning your back on them if you, if you start to make more English music? Yeah, I just like one of me, like some music in, you say some music in Italian for my Italian fans. It's good if Italians can really how to learn the English and really can start to vibes in another language.

Yeah. Cool. No, I mean, the fact that you've made it to be as big as you are right now speaking your native language is pretty amazing, but I definitely feel like, yeah, if you are able to kind of cross that bridge and, like, be able to make an American song that becomes a big hit, it'll be, I mean,

I could see the American, like, fan base just like being super fascinated by you doing something so different. Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. So, okay, anybody you want to thank or anything we need to look forward to? For what? Anybody you want to say thank you to, or? Oh, thank you too?

Yeah. No, I don't know. Fuck them, yeah. I feel it. Do you have any new projects coming out? Yeah, yeah. I got, um, my, my, my, My album is really come soon.

And I got a joint album with my friends. It's called R-T-5. It's really coming soon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This album is called, like, Motivation for Scrit. And in this album, we really talk about how the youngest got to need to push and grind and stay on the lane and made money.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we really made, like, a album for the youngest, for everybody to push motivation, hustling, you know. That's what the country needs. I respect it, man. Well, Rondo, it was great going to tap in with you? Ah, cool. I appreciate.

I really appreciate it, bro. It's really nice to meet you. Yeah, no doubt. I always wondered what it would be like to have a conversation with you. So I was genuinely, like, very excited for this day because I wanted to see what you would actually be like. But, man, I hope you make it. I'm a big Rondo supporter.

I'm going to tell Krip Mac that he got to tap in. You got to tap in with you, actually, I think. You like that idea? Okay. You might have to make that happen. All right. Rondo, everybody go turn them up on all streaming services and everything. I appreciate you, man.

I appreciate it, bro. Much love. Yeah, bro. Rondo, No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, Instagram, etc. Like, comment and subscribe. Nojumber.com if you want to support.

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