No Jumper - Rory & Mal on The Tory Lanez Trial, Leaving Joe Budden, Gunna, VladTV & More

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

Shout out to our partner Baked Bags, these are the coolest edibles we’ve ever seen and they ship right to your door. Use promo code “NOJUMPER” for 50% off your entire first order. https://www.bakedbags.com/discount/NO... ---- Rory & Mal sat down with Adam and AD to tackle some of the latest headlines and ask a few personal questions. 00:00 Intro 2:31 Rory & Mal's reaction to Adam posting Suspect beating up Kelpy 4:10 Rory asks Adam why Kelpy agreed to sign the paperwork to release the video 5:31 Rory says the podcast is starting out as awkward as he thought it would 10:50 Reaction to the current state of the Tory and Megan Thee Stallion trial13:02 Adam says he would love to interview Kelsi 13:28 The guys discuss Gunna's recent allegations  22:41 Do the fans appreciate negative energy more than positive energy in podcasting? 23:38 Rory & Mal speak on their pre-production and workflow for their podcast 27:35 Mal's take on his early stance on the Tory and Megan Thee Stallion situation and how it shifted as the case played out 36:21 Rory takes a stance to defend all women 37:09 Was it beneficial for Megan Thee Stallion to allegedly lie about her relationship with Tory? 38:42 Reacting to Tory Lanez DM'ing Adam calling him a B A N for reporting on the case 40:55 Did Drake play a role in raising doubt in the case? 42:24 Sponsored Ad: CONED 43:22 Rory & Mal breakdown the creative differences that came after separating themselves from the Joe Budden Podcast and being in a healthy space now 46:48 Mal emphasizes the importance of conducting good business  54:56 Rory asks Adam about his biggest mistakes in building his platform and running a business 57:29 Rory says that they aren't dependent on live shows as a consistent stream of revenue 58:41 Rory & Mal on letting DoKnow and the Brown Bag Podcast open up for them and always having opening podcasts at their live shows 1:03:00 Discussing Kelpy claiming he was on something during the fight 1:04:26 Mal asks AD on whether or not he considers Adam22 a "culture vulture"  1:08:16 Rory reflects on comparing Adam to the nerdy white guy going into the hood on VICE in Adam's early career  1:11:18 Rory says that intent is only valued by oneself so Adam's perception of coming off as a culture vulture is not protected by intent 1:12:54 Mal asks Adam how he feels about VladTV and breaking down Vlad's intent 1:15:36 Rory on VladTV holding onto a Taxstone interview  1:20:33 Adam on VladTV's interviews being similar to police investigations1:22:52 Reacting to Vlad saying Saweetie would have gotten 100x more sales if he interviewed her 1:21:17 Adam on what he believes SoundCloud did wrong, if he thinks they should have started a label 1:29:41 Mal wants to see Adam's top artists on Apple Music 1:36:19 Adam says he would never click on the Rap Caviar playlist and Rory says the label threw a fedora on Leon Bridges 1:39:29 Adam reacts to J. Cole making a song about losing his virginity and speak on the "J. Cole is corny narrative" 1:45:19 Rory doesn't think that you should just give anyone a platform in regards to Adam's interview with Nick F 1:46:11 Mal says a lot of the good things Ye said in the Drink Champs interview was overshadowed by the headlines 1:47:09 Discussing if Clubhouse's longevity, if should add a video feature, and how much Wack100 is getting paid from them 1:51:39 AD shows how his phone can stick to his face1:54:59 Mal thought Adam wasn't weird until he met him 1:57:41 Rory & Mal on making a couple break up at their London live show2:02:38 The guys on if they participated in the milk crate challenge ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcasts in the world. And this is the craziest podcast collab in history. This is probably the number one podcast that they never thought they would see. No. It's probably true. We're here with our doppelgangers. Is that what you think?

I'm curious how this pod is going to go and what angle you want to do. I feel like you guys are like an alternate universe version of us. Yeah. Probably. I suppose. Not in every way, but in a couple ways. He's called virgin. Yeah.

I'm going to get the hair. plugs and new teeth soon. So yeah, what looks? I ain't got hair plugs, hold up. No, I'm Adam. Oh, okay, not yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we're all testaments to the fact that a black guy could be friends with a white guy in this day and age.

If nothing else. Sometimes it's not so obvious that that's available to us. Michael Jackson said the best. Somehow we got here. What? Doesn't matter if you're black or white. Yeah, he's saying that. He lied.

Yeah, it definitely matters. But what's you guys as actual friendship? Like, how much time do you spend together outside of the work relationship? Like, do you feel like actual a friendship? friends or how would you rate this? Yeah, now we're actual friends. We spend a lot of time away from just recording and working now. But the early part of our like podcast career, it was always like a professional thing because he was just running with a whole different crew of people that I wasn't just really running

with. But we always seen each other moving around the industry and things like that. I always thought he was cool and just one of the guys that was like, you know, he was smart and was working hard. You guys got put together like a K-pop band. Yeah, we did. In a way. So it's weird that a friendship would come out of that. K-pop band would be how I would word it, but yeah.

Well, you know, it's like a boy band, maybe. How do you become my friend? That was different. We put ourselves together. I think I kind of like banged on you. Yeah, he kept trying to make me a crib or something at one point. Oh, that's beautiful. He was going to get blessed then?

He's all right. He's honorary. Nah. The honorary doctorate? it. I don't want that kind. Now you turn down your affiliation? No. When you think no jumpers going to get a RICO charge?

I hope not. I'm talking about it every day. I feel it coming. And when I walked in here, I said, oh yeah. Two weeks? Two weeks? RICO charge. I feel pretty good about not knowing about anybody's felonies that they're committing.

Josh, gonna plea out? That's not how RICO works. Yeah, I don't know if that's going to help me, though, because like, you being on here is sort of like supporting and reinforcing whatever kind of mischievous behavior you might have. And funding it, yeah. I ain't the only. one. Right, exactly. That's the problem. You're the one funding it. I hope none

you guys are doing anything bad. There you go. That's how he cleared itself right there on air. I hope you guys are not doing anything bad. You posted a video of someone getting their asswop. That's illegal. Yeah, but he signed paperwork before we did that. And he got a promotion after doing it. No, he didn't. That's a very chaotic workplace. You're talking about

the assailant. I'm talking about the person who was hurt. I'm talking about the person that did it. You got a promotion. When that happened, I sat on it for like two weeks and tried to not say anything about it because I didn't wanted to come out because we had to get the form sign and everything and then we got a sign. I'm like, well, might as well make something out of this bad situation, even though. Obviously, it's a little weird branding-wise. Was it weird branding-wise for y'all, though?

That's the question. It seemed right on par. No, but that was our first assault besides the spitting incident. I'm about saying, no, we got like two or three this year. Oh, and somebody got beat up in the parking lot, but they didn't have anything to do with this. Oh, my God. That was a couple years ago, yeah. Do so.

The last spot, somebody was coming to do an interview. One of his ops lurked in the parking lot. A little blood. It was all right. Beat him up a little bit. Okay. That's fine. That's fine.

Normal day and no job. Yeah. That's part of it. I was kind of worried about a lawsuit on that one, too. You wouldn't tell. Yeah. But just the idea that we have, you know, a parking lot that we're apparently not securing. This place is a lot different, though.

You see the security in here. We're holding it down. No, I thought I was ready to get on the flight. Huh? I thought I was going to get on the flight. The way the security was asking me to tap me down and check my bag. Even Ben Baller had to put the strap in the trunk. Okay.

I respect it. Just secure the- Tell on Ben, huh? He got the permit. He's the only person we know in L.A. with the concealed carry permit. I think that's a known thing, though, that Ben has a carrier's weapon.

Yeah, he doesn't shy away from mentioning it. Yeah, you need it. Have you gotten a lawsuit yet? Even, like, behind the scenes that hasn't really came to fruition? Just for, like, just for copyright, let's say. Okay. But not for anything that, like, occurred in real life. I'm for you.

Thank God. Why did that kid sign that paperwork then? He could have easily walked away with some real bread. He's in the streets. No, he's not. He's on some streets. He could get out the streets. He's on the street.

He's on the street. He didn't sign that. I mean, Adam is giving him interviews. You know what? I'm talking with him. It's a great guy. He's probably more than the money, man. He's coming to my wedding.

He coming to the wedding? It's crazy. It's a good look. Yeah. Congrats. Yeah. Adam, how old are? Oh.

Huh? How old are you? 39. Gina thinks she's on this podcast. 39? Yeah. Really? What would you have guessed?

I seem younger or older? She's a little older. Maybe like 43. I was thinking earlier how I have no idea how old you guys are. Really? Let's do the guest game. 38. Okay.

And same. No, younger. Never mind. Jesus. Am I aging that poorly? Fucking 32 years old. I don't know any white people. I'm a year older than you.

It's different to me. 31? 33. This is starting out just as awkward as I thought it would. Why? This is like... There's a vibe in the air. It's like when the Flintstones met the Jetsons. It's like a double date.

Okay, you can see. A speed date? We're definitely not doppelgangers. I would never say that. You would never say anything that insinuated anything gay ever. Well, I'm 41. Oh, okay. So we know each other's ages now.

This is definitely the situation where I told them all, like, no, she got a friend. Come with. Come with. Yeah, come with. Okay, okay. And he's just sitting here like, all right, man. What would be a better one-on-one podcast?

You two or us two? Or vice versa. To what, fight to the death? No, to a podcast. Oh, yeah. This is the most suss icebreaker I've ever. I do think a podcast that ends in a fight is a good idea, though. I mean, I got to hold it down for us, I guess.

Yeah. You think you'd beat everybody up here? I mean, I don't put in past anybody, but... He's a big nigga. Yeah. That's the main thing he's got going for him. His size. Eddie, I don't want to fight you.

I'm just going to make that very clear. Well, not now. Can you fight, Adam? No. Have you tried before? Like, tried and failed? Yeah. Sparatically.

He's a big nigga, too. I know he got reached. High school, that kind of thing. Nothing too of note. I think if he really wanted to, he could beat the shit out of somebody. I mean, he definitely has reach. know what his stance would be like.

I don't really feel it. If you were to stand up right now, if someone's about to like square up with you, can I see like what stance you would have? Oh, please. We could do that later. This is great. I just want to know like how. Put them up.

I don't really like feel the need to prove myself in that way. Like at this point of my life. It would take a lot for me to attack someone. Yeah. I'm still going to be fighting at 38 if it calls for it. No, you're not. If it calls for it's different.

Seeking fights at 38 is crazy. And why I want to fight? Well, that's Chinamack. That was it. Chinamack. Want to fight you? That was my guy. They fought.

Oh, you're a fort? That's my guy. Oh, yeah, I remember that. You got to fight you guys. I do remember that. Most of my closest friends, we didn't share blows. It should be like that. You guys ever get down like that?

Fight? More than I fight. No. I mean, we're going to fight. What's the worst that's got? The worst is got? Yeah, like the most hectic arguments. Does it even get like that?

You both seem so mellow. It's kind of hard to imagine it getting there. I'm the most laid back, like, whatever, man. Because I'm scared of my own anger. Hmm. But we both know we wouldn't take it there in that regard. We've definitely had arguments that are loud, but it wasn't. We both knew it was never going to go across that line because we would not do that with each other.

Violence is like the peak of it being a totally illogical situation. Because it's like any- Is it illogical though? It's probably the number one problem solver at the end of the day. But I can't imagine what would be the issue between you that would be fixed by violence, right? What would be the issue between you guys that would be fixed through violence? That would be better after you fought. Oh, we wouldn't violate each other in that regard for it to get there.

But, yeah, it would be one of those that you went way too far and the only way to go here would be violence. You're going to shake hands and go right back. Yeah. Pardon. That's all good. But you think that that would, like, help reduce the tension? You wrestle around in the backyard for a little while?

It's just... Depending on what it is. I mean, you do it right as a bonding experience. Yeah. You know what I mean? To me, it's like there's things we can talk through. And then there's things that are like permanent violations where I just never want to fuck with you again.

True. And I don't really. And I don't really say a fight is going to change one to the other. Okay, well, for instance, you can have somebody that you look at, like, family. You feel me? They do something fucked up. He's running his mouth, pow, pow, pow, pow. Y'all squabble up, shake hands, and you keep it pushing.

You still got your friend. I've definitely lost fights to my friends and felt like we solved it. I didn't harbor anything, even if I lost. Yeah, when I was younger, for sure. I just don't really feel like I could do, like, it just wouldn't really make sense. Like, you took off me one day. Take off back me back and I'm going to be right here tomorrow. Yeah.

But from the perspective of an employer of a person who's running a business, this just seems like very foreign to me, the idea that we can just duke it out, it'd be all right. And no jumper, I feel like it's very granted. It's the theme. Yeah, we have a new podcast coming out where we actually interview someone and then we fight. That'd be fired. A new variation we've been working on. Fight Club podcast?

Yeah, it's what everybody really wants, right? Well, us are waiting to happen? No. See, I like being the interviewees because we don't have to carry this conversation. I am still waiting to see where you guys want to go with this. I mean, I have all these questions written out. You know, I'm just trying to see the vibe. He shoot a question, you shoot a question.

I don't know. Shoot about five questions. I want to see what this going. You want to hear like questions that I have written down. Or just where you wanted to go to the end of that. I should just like dig deep into the list and go to the end, like the uncomfortable potential stuff. Yeah, there you go. Nothing's going to make us uncomfortable.

So Megan Torrey. Okay, let's talk about it. That's just like a reminder of like... Did Charleston White speak on Gunner yet? I'm waiting for that. I would assume. I think he did. A lot of wild shit has happened today online

that I haven't had a chance to see you. I'm waiting for Charleston. I just think Charleston White is the funniest dude in the world. You know who's my go-to is Mo, the lawyer for workers? Oh, yeah. I'm going to his page every day in between interviews to just see if he's got a new update about the trial. I'll be on Twitter, just put the latest to swoop, see what's going on?

That's the wrong place. Them niggas be on there talking about all kind of dumb shit. There's a lot of porn, too. I'm trying to get real news. Yeah. You know what the facts. Yeah. But I'm also,

because he's been a little bit questioning of Meg's story and her, you know, how convincing she's been on the stand. Do you think Meg is lying? I don't. I, okay, in the lead up to this, I very much believed her.

And now I feel like it seems a lot more muddied. Like, it just seems like, like, it seems like Kelsey's either lying or taking money from someone. It just seems like something is fucking weird. Listen, it's as simple as this. She got shot.

A gun with. was fired. We know who's gun it was. Who do you think shot? No, no, no. I'm with you. I'm with you. But it's just... Fuck all the other shit. The more muddy it gets the more I believe Meg. The thing that I'm doubting now is not, is not...

The thing I'm doubting is not if he did it. It's if he will be convicted. Because it just seems like there's all this weird fucking shit going on. Their whole defense is Rocky now. They're not. It's beyond a reasonable doubt and I think

the strategy... Beyond a reasonable doubt? is I'm saying. They have to prove. That's what they have to prove. And I think with, I don't know, but I think she took that money because clearly she remembered everything until it was time to really talk.

Then she pled the fifth. Now it's reasonable doubt. We don't know. Yeah. I mean, I don't have any idea what could be going through the head of those jurors. But yeah, the Kelsey should have just been beyond weird.

She's been, I never live in L.A. because they're going to get her for something else. She's going to get a j-walk and take it life. From Kelsey? Oh, they're going mad. They're mad. They're mad. Why just because she lied to him?

The city of L.A. is mad at her right now for sure. I just want to see when she files her taxes and they run through everything and see that wire. Where'd you get a million dollars? How does that look? You know how it looks. It can't be a wire.

It's got to be a duffel bag. Cash? I like how we all think that Tori is capable of this. I think Tori thinks he's capable of it and doesn't realize that you have to file taxes afterwards with all your wires. I don't think he said a zeal. I think he cashed up in different sums. I know.

Toy's done a few crypto promos. He sent $5,000 for dinner. He said it on FTAX. That's why she feels so conflicted because Tori Lanes, right there. Now she doesn't have access to the funds anymore. Sent it in Canadian dollars? That explains her emotions on the airport.

It's getting interesting, though. Damn. No, he actually paid her in NFTs. He sent her two apes and a punk. You still got yours? Yeah. Did you interview Kelsey? I would love to.

Yeah, sure. I would love to know what her promotional strategy is after this. I mean, she got her bread. She's chilling now. Yeah, but what podcast does she go on first? No, Jumper. Bring champs? Crime Stoppers with Gunna.

Damn. You think it's over for Gunna? No. I don't think so at all. We had a long debate about that today. But the pod? Or in the Uber? Oh, no, I was joking that Gunnam would start a crime stopers podcast with Ti.

But I think that would sell. What do I know? Kids don't care, though. Of course not. No. And he has a lot of female fans that definitely don't give a fuck. Okay, but the six nine thing is proof that a lot of people care. Drastically different situations.

Very different situation, but... I don't know if Gunna is going to be able to... It's just... He just comes from too many real street dudes behind them and I don't think... I don't know. That don't look good. It's going to be the reaction from everybody you fucked with before that's going to basically determine what the main consensus is from the people, I think.

Because you're already seeing like the people who are on the people who are on the very far gangster end of the spectrum, like the Wack 100 and stuff, who are basically not trying to hear shit about the snitching thing. It's just like you're, if you've talked to the cops in any way, you're guilty. I mean, they're just not going to be convinced otherwise. He said, yes, ma'am. So is YSL a game? I know. I know. And as a gang. That's one to hurt my heart. Yeah, it's like after that, you know what I mean? It's like, okay, I'm saying that we're

not and I'm standing on that we're not. And then you go and say yes. man how are you looking at me people have a theory though right now that this was all planned because even when we was doing the news today what was planned like they were like oh thug may be free today

people calling me I'm like hey they're about to let them out I had multiple hit people hit me today saying thug was getting free today and I was like based on what the judge denied it well they was basically saying like they illegally

fucking got a lot of evidence and they asked word to be thrown out and shit but I don't think that's going to result in them just letting him go again we were talking today and just we don't know shit all speculation obviously my possible theory that could make gun to look better in the situation is all of their lawyers came to the agreement that we knew gonna there's nothing that's really going to stick he was upon just a name and someone that we could keep there to give them a plea agreement to say hey this is a gang so

once we start the trial with thug we have this bit of information that says wise hell's a gang knock that out right away. You're not going to have anything stick with Gunna. There's probably too much evidence that you couldn't even fight that YSL is a gang. So let's get Gunna out of jail. He didn't do nothing. Nothing's going to stick with him.

He can go out and make money and can continue to fund whatever family shit, lawyer shit, anything else. We was never even going to... I don't even think... I think the evidence they have against Thug is too much to even fight that it would be not a gang.

It's too much, Rory. So... we're not going to go as our defense. This is not a gang. So let's just have Gunn's say that shit, get them out, and move forward. I mean, but Thug's best defense is... It's not a game. It's not a game.

I think a lot of people feel like Thug doesn't really have much of a defense at this point, that it's like, it's just not going to be good. Or they choose to choose their words carefully. And again, I don't know shit. I'm stupid. I've never been to court. YSL the gang, not YSLLC. Could be different.

Maybe he chose his words very carefully that Thug's lawyers and Gunner's lawyers say it this way. Because we're going to go in with the strategy saying Doug sent money from this LLC. Yeah, that gang shit, cool. They sold we, whatever. But this murder for hire shit and all that is not YSO. I'm just trying to think of shit.

I watch a lot of law and order. What the fuck do I know? I mean, it's the opposite of the 6-9 situation in the sense that 6-9, when he snitched, it confirmed everything that everybody already assumed about him. When I say everybody, I'm talking about, you know, hip-hop veterans, older people, et cetera. Obviously, a lot of kids were heartbroken to find out

that Trey Way was not what they thought it was. But then this is a different situation because you have Gunna who's somebody who's generally well-liked by pretty much everybody within hip-hop seems like the kind of guy that has very few enemies, everybody likes them. And of course, everybody loves thug. Everybody, you know, obviously the crime stoppers

thing was a blip there for a while. But, you know, nobody is like eager besides maybe a few commentators online. Very few people are like eager to put Gunna in that category. Now, I always like try to keep some distance from it because it just doesn't it's not my

lifestyle it's not my fucking business you know if he snitch or he doesn't snitch it just doesn't really affect me that much but it is your business to some of the yeah I mean like literally but I think that the don't really stay away from my interest in it is right or wrong and being a good

person or not not adhering to this like street code that you know I never chose to live by so bullshit what your business is around elaborate but I never I didn't join a gang I don't fucking care if he snitch It's not really like my business

Yeah but But I don't have to Like Vlad interviews Mafia dudes do snitch all the time Gillian Wallet won't do it Oh no I'm not saying Snitch shit I'm just saying as far as

Street shit is 100% Yeah we talk about that But I'm talking about the snishing thing specifically It's like it's not my place to pass judgment Like people There's a lot of people online Who really from the streets

And really will say this guy's a snitch This is how he should be treated his neighborhood, whatever, that's not my business. I'm a taxpaying citizen, civilian. It's not my business in that regard either. But I think you are connected to it more than say I would be because the business is, you know, you interview street dues and street rappers.

And it does become a thing. I'm conscious of how they're viewed publicly or how the opinion of them might be changing, but I don't put it upon myself to go out there and declare people's snitches or anything like that. I don't like doing the paperwork, exposing interviews. People sometimes pull up with paperwork and surprise me,

but it's not really. I was like, you can have some paperwork. It's not really my thing. For sure. Huh? They pulled up here with paperwork. For sure. A couple people have. Usually it's not about anything like super serious, but they'll pull out something to just sort of be like, well. People that you interview or employ. Just whoever they're beefing with

at the time, they'll be like, oh, this this dude was talking to the cops 10 years ago, whatever. They're employing a snitch. They're not working here. That's why I asked. Like, who was the paperwork on? In the case I were talking about, I have the random YouTubers. Oh, okay.

All right, well, then let me ask this. Because of AD, would you hire somebody that has snitched? It would benefit your company. Let's say they would bring in a lot of revenue. But they snitched. And you're not a street dude. It doesn't bother you any type of way.

But the people around you, it affects. Let me say this before you said it. I don't care if he did. I won't do a show with him. This is a bigger network. as business. If it doesn't affect me personally, then it's like, hey, you do your thing.

I ain't fucking with you. You know, whatever. Hey, keep it pushing. But I wouldn't give a fuck. Having brought him on and T.R. And Sharp and various other people who, you know, are generally well-liked by people, it now kind of stands out to me that like,

holy shit, if I had got this guy instead of AD, this could have all gone in a very different direction. Because your brand really gets viewed. by like the culmination of all the people involved with it. So, you know, even if myself, I'm not really like super gung-ho and like judging people for snitching or not. I mean, you have to take into account how they're viewed by the community. And if somebody's status is totally in disrepute, then I guess probably not going to be

a very good fit. We ain't doing the show. If nobody else wants to be around them, then, you know, everybody has to be able to get along to a certain extent. Shout out to T-Roe. I saw a clip. He had some good things. to say about me.

Really? I think somebody that sent me some shit, I think. Fuck with you. Yeah. I never met him, though. Huge asshole.

Is he? Great guy. Good guy, though. Yeah. I like that. I like it when people compliment me. Oh, my God.

It doesn't matter who they are. As long as they say nice things about me, y'all. That's a mall Trump moment right there. Hey, if they say good things about me, I don't give a fuck. Let me ask you all this. Because Adam has this thing.

If we, you know, we're saying too much good things about each other. He's like, oh, you guys are a dick crying each other. He hates it. We can be like, hey, bro, good job. You did this over there. All right, man, you know what I'm saying? Good team spirit. He hates that shit. Listen, if you guys want to suck each other off privately, that's fine.

My thing is that when it's on camera on the podcast and you guys feel like it's necessary for you to spend 10 minutes out of every podcast, just arbitrarily congratulating each other. It's just like, this is not a podcast. This is just you guys hyping each other up. You know what I'm saying?

You do it in a group chat too. The podcast go to the internet, and the internet does not care if you, like, love your friends. You either disagree or yell at each other, do something. We're not here for you guys to compliment. You choose to make it a conversation about the specific dick-riding thing, but my thing is, like, you have to think about what the people at home are going to want to hear, and every week, if you're just like, you're doing a good job, it's just like, okay, you got to switch it up. You can't just, like, repeat stuff over and over every week.

That's, like the main thing. I like bringing good energy in here. The internet doesn't like that, though. You don't think it's good. You think it's good, but it's not as good as you think of us. So should we be negative? No. I mean,

but that is better. That's better. If it's necessary. That is better. Not being negative unnecessarily is corny. Not actually negative. I would way rather hear Maul do 15 minutes on you guys' show where it's like, listen, Rory, there's this thing you've been doing that pisses me off.

Now, within the bounds of your friendship, obviously, I don't want to, like, you know, if it's the most serious thing in the world, like, hey, the way you talk to me, the other day that pissed me off so fucking bad. I want to punch you. Like some stuff is obviously way too serious. But in general, I think that picking each other apart a little bit is probably better than just mindlessly complimenting each other. I agree with the engagement.

So tell us all the things you hate about the people you work with. Them the homies. I'll fight them if I get mad. He said them to homies. Part of podcasting is you have to use words. You can't just fight. I generally like everybody here, though. I try to give them advice.

So if they need me, I want. like to be there for them. I'm just one of them type people. I feel you. Well, let me ask you this. What is your process by which you guys kind of like work on the podcast? Like, do you do a pre-production meeting every time? And if there are things that you kind of have in your head that maybe like didn't go well during an episode or that you want to talk to each other about it, like how do you go about doing that? I mean, there's a skeleton in pre-production as far as like things will hit. But so much of it is organic and actual friendship that I don't want to structure it and he doesn't want to structure it too much in that regard because I think the best

moments come outside of hey we have to talk about this it's more of the random shit that happens after you talk about the structure oh this happened this week this happened last week type of shit I agree you fall into conversations from like points that you want to hit and then you'll just end up falling into a whole different conversation that it inspires something else to talk about and I think that's it just it's more organic like we don't want to feel produced and I really don't like talking about half of this shit, but I have to. You know what I mean? Like, I don't care about who's fucking who or who did what to. I don't care about that shit. Right. Because I feel like the, as a podcaster, one of the big challenges to be able to take something very

specific and then have like somewhat of a general conversation about it. Like, and that's what's weird about the Tori and Meg thing is that it kind of is like just like a very specific situation that really is all about the nuts and bolts of exactly what happened. But, you know, I was use the example of like the Jay-Z getting kicked in the elevator situation because I mean that was like early podcast days but like every podcast I knew of basically was just running off

that for you know a couple weeks Chris Rock and Will Smith you know it was like instantaneously every podcast snaps into action to talk about it and it's kind of like the battle now is like who can have on average the more interesting takes and is able to like really have a real

conversation about shit. There's so much like fluffy shit. I think we view that shit drastically different because we know our strengths are not that because we don't care. We'll talk about the Torium Meg's shit. Truthfully, I think it's horrible that a woman was injured. I don't

personally care about the back and forth gossipy part of that entire thing. So I know him and I, just because of the people we are, are not going to have the number one take on that. So it's not where we're just going to focus our entire pod on. Because, you know, even down

to no jumper, we know y'all will have the better salacious takes on that and what people are looking for may come from other platforms. That's not what our listeners are looking for. Yeah, we'll touch on it and talk about it a little bit, but that's not what our focus ever will be because we won't do that better than y'all because we don't care. Yeah, like caring is definitely important because when you hear people on a podcast talking about a topic and you can tell that they just have like a very surface level understanding of it, that could just be like the ultimate moment where you just want to turn it off.

If you hear people on a podcast start talking about an issue and you know more about it than them. Yeah. You're out. 100%. If you read like one article and you know more than all the people on the podcast, you're just like, all right, this is. I think that's how every podcast is birth, though. You listen to a podcast and you feel like you have more information and more knowledge on something. And you're like, all right, fuck it, I'm going to buy a mic tomorrow.

Right. Start my own shit. That's how I started. It's a new rapper, man. I was watching Joe Rogan and Combat Jack and Joe Budden. And then I was like, damn, these dudes don't even know any SoundCloud rappers. I'm gonna get in there. Okay.

That's how you started? Pretty much. Or just like, I know a lot of interesting people in general that aren't doing podcasts because it was 2015, so you sort of grabbed the opportunity. Was it called podcast back then? Yeah. Although people were much more confused about the concept. And I remember getting a ton of comments in the early days of like, you are insane if you

think I'm going to watch an hour and a half long YouTube video, you know? Now look at you. It was like a very constant. Comment. Now it's long form only. Yeah, right? Sure. Now it's like, damn, if we were, imagine if we sat down to 45 minutes. We already did 45 minutes.

We get murdered for it. 30, yeah. All right, what else is on this question sheet? Um, okay. Let me, oh, but I want to continue on the Tori Meg thing. You, you took one of the most prevalent stances early on, and I actually, like, I was kind of holding my tongue, and when you said all that shit, I was like, damn, Maul said the shit that I was thinking.

And I kind of feel bad about it. Like, what is it that's like keeping me from stating my opinion on the podcast as freely as he did? But then, as the case started to seem a little bit more confusing, it kind of felt like you, you know, wield it back a little bit at one point. Like, what are your thoughts on that? And did you learn anything from taking that stance early on? He made the album. I think we did too. Yeah.

My stance is still the same. Like I said from day one, if he is guilty of that, he's the biggest clown that our coach has ever seen. I mean, think about when it happened. same time around the Breonna Taylor case and everybody is marching and protesting for justice for a black woman being killed in her home by police

and then after a night out two of our stars in our culture one of them is shot in the legend that this guy shot her it's like how can you be that careless how can you be that you know just have a lapse in

judgment especially around that time where everybody in the culture is focused on one thing Black Lives Matter and, you know, justice for Breonna Taylor. And then you have all this opportunity at your hands. You have, you know, the quarantine radio. He was on his room to a crazy,

a crazy bag. And then for whatever reason, you know, alcohol, egos, whatever was in that pot that night. As a man, you have to control the situation better than that. I just can't see somebody being that big and just saying dance, bitch,

and shooting five shots. It just sounds weird. But Kelsey denied that that was ever said. today. That's shit weird to me. Kelsey said where, they said, did someone say, dance, bitch? She said, where the hell did that? She said, where did that come from? She denied that. And that was like a key

part of this whole narrative the whole time. But Kelsey's recollection of what happened is all over the place. This is very true, yeah. So I don't know. It's a paid recollection. They're a little different. Paying recollection. So my stance is still the same. Like, if he did if he is guilty of that, that's clown shit. And it's no, it's no. But that's a bigger problem though, Adam.

Like, we don't, you know, as homies, as boys, as friends, I don't have a problem with Tori. In fact, anybody that knows me, no, I'm a huge Tory fan. Like, I put a lot of people on to his early chickstapes and all of that shit. Like, I thought he was super talented. But in that moment, that situation, you got to call it what it is. If my brother did that, my nephew did that, my best friend did that. Yo, you're a clown.

How does that happen on your watch? That's your gun that was fired. And a woman is shot. You can't, you have to control that situation better than that. That shit never happened. on your watch. And it was the securities guy? No, I think it was Tori's gun. I think he already said it was his gun. I mean, it's just kind of a question is like, you know, these things come out, these sort of cases. And it would be fair, I guess, for people to just say, like every media commentator to say,

I'm going to wait until it goes to trial in two and a half years, and I'm going to hold my opinion until then, and I'm not going to make any statement about the information that we've seen publicly. Obviously, that is not how it works. Everybody is chomping at the bit to get their takes out there as fast as possible. And, you know, it's hard for us to resist that as podcasters to try to take the limited information that we have and just go with it. Even though in this situation, I mean,

probably the information that we knew in the first couple weeks was enough for us to draw pretty accurate. It's also this simple. What does, what the, it's career suicide if Megan is lying. Right? So at that point, if she says that's what happened, we've never seen this before. I'm not going to think, I mean,

I don't know any woman that has ever said a dude shot her and he didn't shoot her. in life. Do you remember how much time people spent talking about, oh, it wasn't really bullet fragments in her foot? And then today it was proven 100% it was bullet fragments. They also said there was none of the gunpowder and shit

ever found on. And that was a whole day in the news cycle where that was like a huge headline. Six months people talking about that. All these things were like seeded out perfectly throughout the thing to just raise doubt. Yeah. And I guess even the publications that was coming from,

again, I wasn't super invested, but I was like, oh damn, that's crazy that Tori was not found with any gunpowder on him. So I started believing, like, maybe he didn't do this shit. That's what the theories came from. And then with the first day, yo, mad gunpowder.

That's why I hate the internet, because even my ass was believing that shit. And when people would ask him about it on podcasts, and I would say, like, you know, after it had been a few months, I just started to say, like, listen, I don't fucking know. I'm going to wait for the trial.

Like, I really, you know, I don't want to, like, make any bold predictions. And people are looking at me, like, I'm a total sellout for not having an opinion. And it's like, bro, I don't want to, like, sit here and just guess. Is this the craziest shit

that's ever happened to hip-hop? Absolutely. It has to be number one, right? Absolutely. I was thinking it reminds me a lot of the O.J. Simpson's shit. And if he beats it, it's going to be exactly like the O.J. shit

because nobody's going to fucking believe that he's innocent. And you know what's funny? We were talking on the podcast today. This is tied to O.J. Simpson. I know. How fucking crazy is that? Kardashians.

Like, look at that. This happened from a direct descendant from the OJ trial. So you know what that means? That Hulu show coming. Oh, they're already working on documentaries. That's a fucking shame. There were three, six, nine documentaries

in like two years. I'm talking about the true crime, the OJ Simpson went out of the people versus OJ Simpson. That was one of my favorite series. I was getting ready for the Tori Lane's documentary. Maybe you can play himself. You don't think in like 20 years they're going to have a TV show showing this shit?

Nothing 20 years is going to be in like six months. Is that one year? Oh, I mean. I mean, that's what I'm saying, though, it's six nine. There was three, six nine documentaries in like two years after that fucking situation. Like, they just do this and instantaneously. But I'm talking like,

somebody, an actor is playing Tori, an actor is playing man. They'll probably keep revisiting it over and over throughout the years. Who would play Tori? Poeta Flacco. They don't know who that is, right? I don't know. We haven't checked into Kylie's alibi, huh?

Where was she at? But they're saying that she might testify. She's not going to testify. Because what does she know? She wasn't there. She was in the house, right? I guess the state of everyone when they left would be the only thing that she could do.

Yeah, but for me, if like... No, Corey's testifying. Was Meg drunk? I don't really care. It doesn't seem that important. I mean, Corey's Testifying? That's what they said, right? That's been discussed, but I have no idea if that's like a real thing or not.

If you think about it, all right, there's four people there. One was shot, three are saying they didn't shoot her. It's got to be Kylie or Corey, right? It would have to be the shooter. Remember that? Remember the cliffhanger? Y'all know exactly who fired that gun, man. Cut it out.

You're not doing that. Man, listen. Now, from the day one, he'll tell you, I always thought that he should. He shot the gun but didn't intend to hit her. Five shots? I thought he shot at the ground, and then a bullet ricocheted and hit her.

I don't think he ever really pointed it directly out of her. I think he was trying to scare her. And she basically confirmed that. Like, she didn't want to move. She didn't want to run once she started firing the gun because she was scared she was going to get hit somewhere where it could be fatal. And I told Rory from day one when we first heard about it. So I was like,

Tori don't strike me as the type of dude that would, It's clown shit either way To pull a strap out on a female In any manner Let's get that clear But He didn't strike me the type of dude That would actually raise the gun

And aim it at her I always felt like he was trying to scare her And just firing around the ground Like And a bullet ricocheting hit her foot I always from day one It was a third day, right? I mean it's five shots

Yeah I mean I feel like that's believable Because if he had shot at her head I would think that's a little different That's like a little bit more surprising, even though obviously both are horrendous. The dance bitch for me is just the one.

Still playing in your head. But even that, you can't make that up. Like, how do you freestyle that? But sometimes that's the best detail in a story. That sounds like something that's made up. And I'm not saying she lies. It does sound made up. When I saw that, I was like, yo, you can't make that up. It sounds made up, but it's like, who can just be like, yo,

he said dance bitch. Like, what she's saying is she heard dance bitch, she turned her head after the shots and she sees him holding the gun. It sounds like a real villain to me. I don't know. I feel bad for womankind from however the fuck this goes. Because it just seems like, you know, from this to the Amber Heard thing. It's surprising how many women are feeling like Meg is lying.

That's surprising to me. There's a lot of misinformation. Because women always stick together, so it's crazy. Because I think of the social media how it was. Oh, no gunshot residue. Oh, it ain't this. Oh, it's not this. You bring that doubt out.

And then the people are like, no, we don't know. And then you got Meg going on Gail saying that she wasn't intimate with him. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of little things in there. All right. Let me be the... Let me be that guy that defends all women. I think it's okay that she lied about that on Gail.

I don't think it discredits her the way everyone else thinks that discredits me. Why the fuck do I need to tell Gail who I'm fucking? We're here to talk about a criminal case. I don't need to tell you about my pussy. I mean, but if the... What you're saying is you're trying to paint this guy as this crazy shooter, and you're saying this stuff, like, you should be like, you know what?

You must know plenty of women that have given up the pussy to some crazy shooters. Oh, yeah. My thing is... Does that matter? No. It doesn't matter how you paint it if they fucked or not.

It didn't make them a shooter. The thing is, is that how much could it really benefit her in the trial for them to believe that, like, for her to be viewed as potentially lying about saying she didn't sleep with them versus just like, I don't know, maintaining the idea that she didn't sleep with him, like as if she's more likely,

he's more likely to be found guilty if they think that she was drunk or not guilty if they think that she was drunk and they were sleeping together. I feel like they're trying to see, she's a liar and they're painting this picture that she's making up all this shit. Just spread of people.

This is weird because we got to remember from day one, she didn't want to speak about it. And she had a whole, she said, she stepped on glass. She was trying to protect them. and hide what actually happened. She only jumped on Instagram live, and any time a woman jumps on Instagram live

with no lashes, you know, she's not true. That was the first time we saw her like that, huh? Yeah, this is not for like, you know, performance. This is like, I'm seeing all of these narratives that are being pushed, and they're trying to turn me into this wild, belligerent, drunk girl, and nah, now I'm gonna tell you all exactly what happened. And then I read energy,

and then you look at Tori's Live, cotton mouth and he never said he didn't do it he always says why would I do that why would I shoot her why would I do that

it doesn't make sense why would I do that and I've definitely I can't never remember him saying I didn't I should why did I do that he didn't shoot nobody no of course not

I was just reading through my DMs when he called me a bitch ass N word what what sparks it just reporting on the trial Or not even the trial, but reporting on the allegations at first. Just informed me that I'm not sure what I said at all or what we posted. Fuck me on the album. Same shit, I don't know.

Regardless, though, say what you will about Tori and everyone reporting. PR companies need to study Tori Lings. If you think about that, he has one. The fact that he, fuck the facts. When it came out that first headline, the fact that Tori has spun this narrative, whether intentional or not, where we're all kind of like doubting that that could have even happened, even though Meg has a fucking bullet in their foot,

is crazy. PR companies need to look at Tori Lanes and hire him if he beats this to do. But I feel like he probably has the greatest PR company in the world behind him. Because I've gotten some fucking random emails of just like links that make him look good of things they clearly want us to post.

But I'm just like, oh, okay, he's got a little team out there that's like planting these little breadcrums of... But I'm not even going about that type of shit because he did get dropped from damn near everything the next day. I'm talking about moments like bringing the baby out on state or going on his set. Like it's certain things and moments that Tori put together behind the scenes that had everyone on the internet going, all right, wait, the baby is bringing Tori out.

It's a lot of artists still fucking with Tori. Like, this is weird. Do they know something we don't know? Like he created the doubt just by moving around. That's the crazy PR shit that he was doing. If he's found guilty, do we persecute Drake for that line? Good question. They're saying that he didn't say that.

Well, Yadi said that Drake didn't mean it like that. It's pretty obvious that it was like a double entendre. Thanks, Yadhi. Thanks, Yadhi. Thanks, Yadhi. Rap genius. That's the Drake PR team right there. Yaddy had to come out and clean that one up for him.

We need to clean up in aisle five. So they say it because they put the S on here. It wasn't a shot. It was shot so it's, you know, butt shots. She also had like multiple bullet fragments in her foot though. Drake will get persecuted for a day. That's crazy. That happens.

You could say that too. Yeah, it was five shots. That was a day on Twitter where the mean girls were definitely out and about trying to convince you to stop fucking with Drake on that day. No, I wouldn't say that day. They were saying, she's lying more. No. The feminist Twitter world was on Drake's ass that day.

How much does that really fucking matter? Probably not that much. I mean, so somebody like Drake, it doesn't matter. But the interesting thing was up until that point, I don't think we've ever seen Drake take a definitive stance on anything. He's very neutral politically. Very neutral. That's why I was so odd, though.

Yeah. To really go all the way with that, of all things. Tori even said, he said Drake versus or sent Drake open verses and never heard it back, which not really that's surprising when you think about Drake's image. He doesn't really want to associate himself. But they beat that one point. Yeah. Yeah, true.

You know what I'm saying like that? But they've been on a good turn for a few years. on racism was like, yo, I was not into it in Canada. We weren't racist. He went fully on the side of Tories. If you think about it, if Drake is sitting there jumping out

and you see this cases coming up, you might, it brings more doubt. Like, okay, Drake ain't about to just do some shit like this. He's not ruining his brand over this. No, he's not about to ruin his brand. And then you hear that, then this is like, oh, there goes some more doubt. Yeah.

Which is why the women of the internet thought it was fucked up women to do that. Because it's like, now you're only raising more doubt. I'm not going to say it was fucked up, but I'm going to say that. I never seen Drake do some shit like that. Never. That's just like a very different type of move for him.

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Get your first order 50% off with the code no jumper, one word, or go to bakedbags.com slash discount slash no jumper. That's 50% off of your first order. Get yours now with the link in bio. Thank you very much. Okay, I wanted to ask you guys this, since we're really like dating this podcast by talking about Megan Torrey for a half hour because it's going to be so obvious at what moment in time this occurred. That was the appetizer. Okay, this is what I wanted to know is you guys have been independent now for what?

Year and a half? Two years? Like, you know, doing your own show. Oh, yeah. A little over a year. Okay. How does it feel? How is it different?

than how you thought it would be, and what is the mentality after going at it for a year? You guys seem very, very determined to make this work. I know exactly how much money was stolen from me. Shit. Yeah, because I can see everything. Right.

And so, but creatively, it's just, the energy is a lot different. The way we go about doing things, how we want to look, the things that we're trying to do. It's just an easier transition, the easier way of doing things, because it's not, you know, between us, it's not a ego thing.

You know what I mean? It's very like, Rory has an idea. He wants to do something. Yo, tell me what you think. Think about it, okay. Same way, yo, we should do this. Down to today in this interview. Yeah.

No, for real. You want to do this? If you don't want to do it, I don't want to do it. It's like, it's very, it's just a different, it's just a better, a healthier way of creating. And I think that's a big part of, creating content and the podcasting and, you know, doing the things that we're doing. It's just the energy around it.

What is this for? Why are we doing this? Is this really what we want to do? So for the past year and a half, it's just been an easy flow of things for us to do, create, turn down, accept. And just, you know, just from a business standpoint, it's just healthy. It's like, you know, people, you know, we like to say that, you know, you have to do snake shit in this business. It's like, no, you don't. No, you don't.

That's a thing that we let people run with is you got to do fucked up things in business to get ahead. And, you know, everybody can't be pleased. Everybody can't be happy. That's not true. You know what I mean? And I think Rory and myself, we learned that, like, early on, like, bro, we know what this is. We know what we want to do. We know what we're not doing.

So let's just have fun with it because, you know, the business is going to be the business. And our business is very simple. you know what I mean it's 50-50 that's it you know I mean whether you know I see it or I don't I trust him he trusts me he knows I'm not in this for you know just money shit I again I as I've always said I don't care about money it's all about you know the relationship the friendship the energy the intent things like that like where's your morals that you know I think things that men should be built on is what I was taught and money is gonna come if you just

right you have good intent you have a good heart good energy somebody's gonna remember that and always put you in a position like I like this dude right here you know I mean like even if it's not I don't I'm not getting nothing from it I'm gonna put you in position because I think yo this this is your strong suit right here I think you'll be good for this you know I mean like just things like that you know we put too much emphasis on money money money and I get it we all from you know areas in life where we didn't have we had to do things that cost us our freedom or you know we had to keep our head on the swivel to

try to feed our families. But once you work yourself to a space where that's not the case anymore, don't bring bullshit into it. Leave that out because we no longer in that space. And I think that for the past year and a half of us doing our own thing, it's been a testament to just how we built this meant. You know what I mean? Like just do right by people, do good business by people, have fun, respect each other.

And it's been a blessing, man. It's been, you know, pretty much one of the best. years of my life on a personal level because it's like just the energy and you know it's a lot of stresses that you know we're around us for a few years where it was like it just wasn't comfortable you know what I mean and this this past year and a half has been a lot of comfort yeah I watched some YouTube videos breaking down you guys's body language on a few podcasts that were quite informative okay I learned a lot that's interesting I'm like look at the way they're sitting I would buy how I would yeah but it's like shit that I never would have known and the diehard fans are

just picking up on it, zooming in on Rory's face. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so glad that YouTube exists because I would not have known about this otherwise. I've seen a few of those as well, and I think they're funny. Sometimes exaggerated? Of course. But if fans aren't making up theories or doing deep dives like that, do you matter?

So as much as I used to look at that shit and get angry, like, what the fuck? Like, this is a complete spun narrative. This is not true. And then I also don't want to get out there and get on. on IG or another podcast, be like, oh, this is fucking false, this, this, this, that. This means that

they like what we're doing at the end of the day. It's just a warped way of saying, hey, we love this. That's really what those conspiracy, Reddit, YouTube, et cetera, are. Even down a lipstick alley. Does it feel like a challenge trying to build a podcast that I feel like you guys are trying to build a podcast

off of just friends having good conversation and try to avoid all the temptations of shit that you could do in terms of making it a constant battle to get big guests or, you know, trying to talk about the most dramatic, crazy click-based shit. Like, is that a very specific thing that you guys want to build something with a foundation of just you guys talking? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I don't, you know, you don't want to build a foundation off of something that is, uh, may come and go. If our, if our relationship is solid from the foundation, you know, we can build on that. You know what I

mean? And we don't like to sit with a lot of guests that we don't have some type of personal relationship. Because it's like, I can sit here and talk to somebody I don't know and ask them all the questions that every other outlet is asked them. But when we've actually hung out and kicked it on a real level and had real conversations off camera and you know how I am, the type of dude I am, the conversation on camera is going to be different. Real life? That's real shit. So it's like I, you know, I fuck with a lot. Like, damn, I would like to talk to you, but it's like, I don't really know you and I don't want to interview you. I'm not Barbara Walters. Like, I'm not going to sit here and interview you and grill you. Like, so.

When you set this line, how did that? Or Gail King. Yeah, like, I don't want to do that. Yeah, because people ask me, like, how do I become a rap interviewer? And I'm just, like, thinking to my head, like, I don't know, man, because there's a lot of fucking people doing this. Like, I'm not sure what your angle is going to be that's going to be way different. Unless you can find a pocket of artists that people aren't really talking to,

which I think that's probably the best bit. Yeah, or, you know, just be a heavy music guy. Know the artist that you're talking to. Right. No, his music, know his or her story. The more specialized your knowledge is. Yeah. And I think your approach, the less journalistic way, has been the best part of your interviews.

It's way more of a conversation than, you know, we love Rap Radar because they are actual journalists. And when we want to watch the journalistic interview, we go to them. But what you would feel is like actual combo to some degree. Norie is the one where he's, for the most part, very familiar. It has a long history with the guests and can get them to open up a way they never would. I think the guest-based podcasts all have different niches, which I think is cool. But with our breakup and that whole show, the live show shit we've been doing, has proven to me that guest shit is just not the best route all the time.

Because obviously things end no matter what you want to do. But if you have a core fan base that is there to see you and they're not there for the guest, you'll be fine forever. Because no matter what, Maul and I could set up some microphones and just talk. That can be proven. They actually hate them to have a guy. Yeah, like they're not coming here just because we want to have guests. Oh, yeah.

We deal with that, too. They hate when we have guests. And it's like, there's a few guests that they'll appreciate, but largely they hate them. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. Just the way people like, oh, yeah, no, don't sit down with this person. This was whacking. Hey, damn, I thought y'all would have enjoyed that.

Yeah, we just want to hear y'all. But if the thumbnail said Rory and Mall interview Stephen Seagall, I think people would, at least they know what they're going in on. But if they click on their weekly episode, I would click on that. Like, Stephen Saga. Or just anybody. But if they click on it and they want to see you guys talking, and then all of a sudden it's like, so,

Steven Seagal, you're a ponytail. It's so long and luxurious. Yeah. We see the random, just random homies we got do way better on the channel than, you know what I mean? You bring a rapper that,

oh, I think he dope. I like his music and he come here and he drives for. Yeah, because the random person has a better conversation. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's what it is.

It's just the better conversation. So, you know, getting the guests is cool. You know, it's just going to, you know, click some numbers and the thing.

But it's like, I don't want to talk to dudes I really don't have some type of at least a little bit of a relationship with. And you almost live and die off the moment crowd. Like you have to keep up with they're there for the moment. Because like we could, we interviewed J.D. and had Bow Wow just randomly FaceTime in

and say, yo, I got a million dollars cash for me right now. I'm coming. Like that's a hilarious moment. But we would have to continue to chase that moment if our platform was based off trying to have those moments. Yeah. So I think it's for us at least, way less stressful to just do what we want to do and make sure our fan base fucks with us and when we want to have guests cool if we don't we're fine yeah because like getting interviews is awesome but i mean you guys were the ones who really made me want to start the weekly podcast shit because i was like you know it sucks having a business where i have to like get new interviews all the fucking time and if i don't for a week or two and let's be real like there are just huge parts of time where there like aren't that many new interesting rappers coming out or like you know you interview these

dudes and like they maybe take a while to pop off and the interview ends up doing okay over time. But, you know, yeah, just being able to have a conversation with your friends on camera is, that's pretty much why I started doing it because I just saw what you guys were building. And when you did that, I felt like you made the whole office like the show. Like the characters within the office, people you bring it in. Like it became the environment rather than Adam sitting with a rapper. Because that can only go so far. And especially when your focus is interviewing like all the new cool rappers because you're,

No matter what, there's going to be new cool interviewers. And especially when you're talking about younger artists, there's all, like, there's so many fucking little, like young YouTubers trying to do their thing that it's like your brand, like, I don't think that's necessarily the best thing to base the entirety of your brand on because it's just not enough there.

What do you think some of the biggest mistakes you've made in building the No Jumper brand? Ooh. I like fucking with him. The best. Mistakes? Shit, I don't know. Because this turned into us complimenting each other,

and I want to get back to the bullshit. I got dick right. But I wish his words. I am interested. That's a serious question though. I wish I had been a little bit more. Because we didn't start really bringing on like hosts that like could do their own separate episodes until him. And that's when that ball started rolling like basically at the beginning of COVID.

But when I think about it, we were at that store on Melrose for like a couple years before that. And if I had like been a little bit more open minded to putting people on camera, I think we could have done a lot more with the people who are around early on. So I feel like I was, really everything that I regret is just shit that I wish I was earlier on. Like, I wish I started making YouTube videos in 2006 because I did. Me and some of the fucking dudes I live near in Brooklyn, like, I just remember making videos going to the skate park and just fucking making fun of each other's bikes and shit. And when I look at it now, it's like, that was just a vlog of us hanging out. And if I had just kept doing that and putting it on YouTube, it would have been crazy. Like, just because I was so ahead of the curve.

But I did one episode. And I remember that it was this kid Day Day that I used to be arriving with all the time. And a couple people told him, like, no, you was acting too goofy in that video. That shit was kind of clownish. So he didn't want to do it after that. And I didn't really care. I was like, oh, yeah, I don't care. It's no big deal.

When I look back at that, I'm like, bro, if I kept going with that, I could have been, like, a huge YouTuber, like, way before the game really got started, you know? Everything happened to what it was supposed to. Yeah. And I feel like, you know, no jumper now is like a network now. Yeah, I mean, you don't come here just to watch pods and shit. I had a movie review show he canceled it, but, you know what I mean? We came back with the cooking show and then that works.

So, you know, they want to build more shows and have different type of stuff. So you come here, you know, so you got a mix and pot. It's a real gumbo over here. What about business mistakes as far as being the leader of an entire team? Hmm. I don't know. Because it's like, I mean, you know, there's, I don't know, Because, like, really, like, a lot of the things that have worked for us is just, like, figuring out how to, like, actually put our stuff on Facebook,

figuring out how to get Snapchat shows, shit like that. It's really just, like, taking it off YouTube, even doing the clips channel, like, over the course of the last year, or, like, building up our Instagram. There's, like, so many parts of the business that I could have never imagined coming in a million years. Like, when I started at Instagram and I just literally used to just post a picture of every person we interviewed. And, like, then at some point, somehow we just, like, kept changing it. And then now that's like a significant part of the business. I mean, I don't know.

I regret like the time period where I thought that YouTube ad money was just the only thing. Because that was just like, it's easy to get hung up on just judging yourself based on your analytics and just thinking like, oh, this is like how I'm doing. When in reality it's like you don't see your brand deals in your analytics. You don't see your live shows or your merch or like all the other things. So you have to like really be judging yourself on like a lot of different things. and those are like existing revenue streams because it's like really as a business owner like what the fuck are you doing

if you're not also like figuring out new shit. And obviously analytics are the most important thing on earth data or all that shit. But the intangibles and the feeling of stuff is I think what separates an actual good businessman and one that can just follow trends. Right.

More or less. Because you guys are super serious about the live shows which are, I mean, you describe it. Is it like a very significant part of the revenue that you guys bring in? No, it's not actually. Right.

Because we travel. Not at all, but it goes back to the point that we're not guest-based, and we know that our fan base really fucks with us, so we can do those type of venues and not have to worry about, like, yo, we in this city, like, who are we going to interview, who are going to do that? Like, it's feeding, it's feeding the soil. It's more intimate.

More or less. Like, it's a way, it's also a way to say, thank you. Like, you get to really meet your fans. Meet and greets are amazing to really talk to the people that listen to you twice a day because they feel like they know you in the room. So it's creating those types of. of significant moments for fans is what will have them come back

forever. Like, I know this is going to be somebody that will fuck with me for 10 years. They'll buy merch. They'll continue to listen. They'll follow me on a new venture. If Maul wants to do something over here, we know we have this fan base to go what Maul wants to do. What I want to do is just really building an actual

community. And a lot of podcasts, they can't do a live show in London with almost a thousand people and not be guest-based. Just two people talking. And not guest-based. Like that just doesn't happen in this space. Like you have to be a heavily guest-based podcast to be able to put a thousand people in a room.

Did you do a whole little Euro tour or just London? No, we did London. Okay. Next year, I think we definitely want to do. Yeah. A whole Euro tour. Shout out to y'all too, man. Having a homie doing it on a brown bag open enough of y'all.

I saw that. That was cool. Because I haven't really seen podcasts open for other podcasts before. No, that was fired. We wanted to, I mean, podcasting, of course, has become like the new mixtape more or less. Like, everyone's doing it. But we love the podcast community so much.

like why would we not try to put other people on and give them opportunities you know because we was like the first people through the door for the most part in the space where we didn't get opportunities so yeah set a screen if we out here yeah come come open up for us and get a taste of what doing live podcasts is like

because on the road we've seen certain opening podcasts that hated it and other ones was like yo this might be our shit now like we can do it this way so you've just like gone out of your way to find different opening podcasts in different cities like do you consistently try to do that Every single show. Every show.

Put up a flyer and then, you know, they flood the comments. They tweet us, DMs. You let us know which local podcast is their favorite. Yeah. And whoever. I mean, you might sell a couple hundred tickets off of just that other podcast. That too. You know?

And it's been cool because it's still, you know, there's the majors, more or less. This being one of them, us being one of them. They're still a niche podcast community. So I think it's cool to let them get the same look on our show. That's a cool thing. Yeah, and like, okay, so what's your lifestyle like when you're on the road? Because we were, we just did like New York and Boston, so we're on the road for like five, six days. And, you know, it occurs to me that it would have been a lot different if I was 18 on these podcast stores or even like 25 or 30.

It's been fun. It was fun, but we're not exactly party animals. I got a very good night's sleep every single night. Oh, God, lucky you. With this crew I got. I'm listening to you guys talking about getting kicked out of clubs. Okay. It sounded like a frat party on tour.

Us two, we're not the ones. It's these fucking animals over here. Wow. Yeah. They all seem to not want me. I'm at the club. Yeah, I met AD, but that was... But he was in the corner, though.

Yeah, I was chilling. And I was walking in, so I wasn't doing that crazy. It was literally I walked in. He's like, yo, what's up, A.D., man? I said, yeah, I know y'all said, what's going on, man? Right. I remember him telling that. We were hiked.

And he said, see if you can get an interview. Sorry, go hit him right now. You dick right. But see, but that's the thing, like, after seeing him a few times. and us kicking it, it's like it's a personal thing here. Like, okay, I like this dude. Like, he's not just trying to get an interview. He's not trying to just get some views and shit.

It's like, nah, like, we fuck with y'all. Like, we just want to sit down to kickers. Like, all, cool. That's what I hate about never going out in public is I used to just go to, like, clubs and shows and just meet people constantly and then just be interviewing. Like, I would go to one concert and have, like, five interviews lined up over the course of, like, the next couple weeks. Just for people I met backstage of the concert.

And now I'm so fucking busy and just lazy and such a dad that I just don't go to shows or don't do the network and shit. He don't never want to go out. I mean, you're at that age, though. Yeah. 39. You shouldn't want to. Yeah, I don't want.

I don't like it. I hate going out. I hate it. If you have a two-year-old jumping on your face at six in the morning, it makes staying out in the club until two or three seem like way less appealing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Has that changed how you want to put content out? Like, do you think about your child sometimes now when it's like, mm-hmm? Like right now. Should I put this out and have my name attached to something that my kid is going to see? Oh, no. I don't care about that.

I'm talking about the fact that I literally just missed bedtime by about 15 minutes. But, you know, I got to be okay with that at a certain point. But no, I don't think about it like that. Honestly, it's like, to me it's like there's grown-up shit and there's kid shit. And it's like a lot of times people try to be like they'll use like the kid vantage point to tell you that something that you're doing as an adult is wrong. But it's like, no, I'm an adult. That's not the question I'm asking. Okay.

Because I know you've been asked that question a lot. I'm saying more so like how you view your business structure and how you want to put shit out and the type of people you bring around you. Is that changed since you become a father? I'm just like more business-minded and more like just focused at this point. So like, yeah. Like, okay, the number one thing is like

I don't know if I could really tolerate having anybody in my life who was like really on drugs like that at this point. You know, it's just like I need responsible people around me when I was like first getting into this game. I didn't give a fuck if somebody was a lean head, per head, whatever. I was doing all this shit too so it didn't really stand out to me that much.

What? Jocco bullshit. I was going to let him finish. I don't want to interrupt him, but... You're saying I can't bring perk heads around? I was looking at a corner like, nigga, please. But what?

Didn't that kid that got beat up? Wasn't he talking about ketamine and shit? No, cratim. I don't know what the fuck that is. And that terrifies me. You can order it online. Some type of drink. It's like a tea type thing,

some herbal shit that... I mean, he said he didn't feel it when he got punched in the face because he was drinking Kratem. Which I'm not sure that that's how it's supposed to work. A lot of people use it to get off opiates. but you can just buy it at the store at the mall or online or whatever

so back to your child I mean I don't know what we talk about with her just your overall point of view with no jumper since the kid came up it's just more important for me to spend time with her now so it's like I used to just hustle seven days a week now it's like oh I got to take Saturday and Sunday to be a dad

and try to shut my fucking brain off and not look at my phone for a while and just focus on this so that's been fucking weird to have to actually like segment. I wonder how all those people worked for me for all those years when I was working every Saturday and Sunday. I don't really remember. Yeah. Like everybody's like, everybody used to be coming in every day on the weekend.

It was on that cradum. That was a lot to ask. It didn't seem like much. It was a lot to ask. It didn't seem like anything to me at the time because I didn't really like understand the idea of like taking time off because I was just in a hurry to get where I was going. Adi, do you think Adam is a culture voter? No. I mean, think about it

you wouldn't hire gangsters and pimps and shit like that if you was a coach of hulture. You know, he helped change. Sound like a record label to make it label. I mean, the industry does that every day. No, but like on some real shit, though, like we give them a lot of slack.

A lot of people may see shit like that but he generally cares because, you know, he'll see the potential in somebody and I say the shit all the time. Like, our own people may see see a nigga and be like, oh, you're affiliated with streets, you affiliated with this, you might be a liability.

We don't even want to give you a chance versus you got this guy like, okay, you do this, you do that. Oh, I think you're great on camera. Let's try you out. The people end up like it. And then them saying people come around like, oh damn, you're great. You should be wooed like not. Y'all didn't see that.

He's seen that. And you know, he could go, he's white. He can go pick up a lot of white niggas right now, make these TikTokers and YouTubers and if he really wanted to, the fact that he's giving people from the streets and, you know, people opportunities. That's dope. I don't see nobody else doing no shit.

To be fair, you're probably like some of the only people that would really fuck with me. I don't think Bryce Hall's going to start a podcast with me. And don't, and I don't say yourself, sure. It might happen as well. We get that mixed up and think that because you're black, you can't be a culture vulture. You can be a culture, for sure, for sure. A culture to be black. But, I mean, this guy is only like, give, give to us.

He ain't take, you know what I mean? Like. The whole thing with the culture vulture thing is that it's like, for that to make sense, it has to be like a person who's completely outside the culture coming in right now. definitely have had like a very different version of being part of the culture but at the same time like rap has been like the primary music I was listening to since I was in elementary school and that's always been the thing that I've been fascinated by so for me I'm kind of new to the idea that I'm like a total outsider and that you know and now granted I grew up in the suburbs and I am white so I'm

very aware of that but at the end of the day like I don't really do myself as that different from him even though I'm from New Hampshire and he's from Compton like I get the differences but I don't really like look at him or any of the people on the team on camera or whatever who could be from the fucking craziest backgrounds it's like i don't really i don't know and even the business model is like you know you can be up and coming it don't matter where you come from most likely no jumper is going to give you your interview first and you know i mean so that's dope like a lot of people may not take like the j monies and who's another artist that you just did so that lambo foe on from yeah like you may not even heard of certain people and they come here first and it's like on the

West Coast, there ain't no real place that you can go and get an interview from somebody this big and a platform this big. People from the streets. All helps. We got T.Rell interviewing a different jerking artist every week. Nah, T.R.R.R.'s interviews is fire. But I'm saying like, no, they need their flowers, bro. They was TikTok before TikTok was TikTok. We dig in on a lot of shit, hip-hop-wise that, like, just a lot of people wouldn't do because it's not the most viral shit. That's the weird thing about it is that you get judged so harshly on some stuff that you do, and then you get absolutely no acknowledgement of everything else that you do.

You know, like even though I'll be having that conversation with people about interviews and they'll be like, your interviews are like all about drama and gossip and beef. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I do like the most intimate interviews that most of these fucking artists are ever going to do where we're like really just talking about them as people.

And I feel like you've not really seen many of my interviews if you think that that's actually my angle. Yeah, even... I hit that shit by the end of it, usually, but... Even when people say that shit, I'd be like, you just read a tag lines. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? He may sometimes too, he may ask a question

or two where I'll be like, ah, you know, but for the most part, like he ain't trying to get nobody incriminated. He ain't trying to make nobody look bad and if you hit the nigga up, you feel me? Like, hey, I don't like how this shit's going. If you fuck with you, he'll be like, oh, I change it out or do whatever you got to do. He's cool with that shit. Our first

tweet exchange was based off me thinking that. If you remember that far back. I had tweeted something about it because I was introduced to the platform. This was years ago. I was introduced to the platform like I didn't call him a culture vulture I was just talking about one vulture to another exploit yeah 100% I admit I'm a card carrying member I don't even remember this this is sick I had said something about the platform because I was introduced to it when you were like doing vlogs in like the projects

and it reminded me so much of when they throw the the nerdy white kid in Chicago in vice and it's just like tell me about the gangs and that's what it looked like this was this was a long time ago Is it when I was there? This was before you had a podcast. I feel like stupid young was like the main, well, that wasn't even the process. I thought she was talking about when we went to Watts. Oh, that too, yeah. No, I'm telling you, this was six.

That was a really long time ago. But then I did retract it later on when we were on the O pod. And it was like, all right, my bad, because I see the platform is different. It's not the vice shit. But you could still. I don't even know if I saw that. You could have culture vulture tendencies and not be a culture vulture. Does that make sense?

Yeah. We see people do it all the time. You can exploit things to some degree. Yeah, because there are a lot of hood vloggers and stuff who definitely don't have any of the insecurities that I had about doing content in the hood, you know, like in the sense that like, I remember we did that one we went to the Long Beach and did a vlog with stupid young and the Asian boys. And it's like, that was, yeah, that must have been the one. But then like, after that, we didn't really like dig in on it. But I've seen people who they do one video like that and that is their thing. They're traveling around the down south, going to every project doing videos.

And I mean, at the end of the day, I got to respect that they're just making money and, you know, doing their thing and probably a lot of those people are super fucking happy to be on camera. And I've had people tell me that they like, they're like rappers tell me, oh, the first time I got any kind of clout or coverage was from being in a hood vlog. I'm like that's fucking incredible because I never thought that people were finding about music from that show. But I feel like for stupid young, I did great shit for his career right after this shit, you know what I'm saying, showed a different type of, you know, when you think

of gangs along Beach, you probably think of black gangs. I went over here to some Asians and see how they got going on and turned the stuff up too. But like, even when we went to watch, people are like, oh, you guys watching people chop up, crack, and do this and do that. I was like, bro, the shit was fake. I was there. So you can't say that, you know what I'm saying? Like, for one, I ain't chopping up nothing around this nigga or being around that shit. You know what I mean? But two, like, no, like, there's, I don't see no interviewers that are going to the trenches, going to the hard to go places and stuff and just, you know, walk around freely and shit. Like, it don't happen

like that. But that was a situation where my experience of going there was basically, 100% like, oh, this is a dope place. All these people get along. It's good vibes. Like, I know that there's violence attached to the people here, but I'm not seeing any of it. Everything was just cool. But then they wanted to film a fucking skit for the vlog where they fucking pretended to cook crack.

And we were like, all right. And then we ended up fucking blurring it out. And then that actually kind of made it worse because then people actually thought it was crack because if you had actually seen it, you probably would have been able to tell it was not crack. But I guess in that instance, intent only matters. to you. That's the intent is valued to the person

that is going there. The outcome you have no control over. So that's where I've looked at the culture of ultra thing with myself included where I know my intent on stuff, but if it comes across differently to the community in which I've been accepted to somewhat degree

to, it doesn't matter my intent. What is my outcome? What am I actually doing? Because I could come in with the best intentions ever. How does it look to everybody else? because I'm not the deciding factor because of my intent. But I remember before we put that vlog out, knowing that we were going to get that exact reaction and just being like, whatever.

But then again, too, this is artists over there. Some would say that would be the culture of ultra part of it because you said, yeah, I don't care. Because I knew that we didn't actually do anything wrong because they weren't actually cooking drugs and this was a skit that they wanted to film. But I knew that a lot of people were going to perceive it another way. But since I knew it wasn't that,

it's like, well, I don't really give a shit if people are going to view this this way, since I know what it actually was. And if people are welcoming you, like, hey, come to our neighborhood, see how we live, see the talent here. Yeah. Like nobody else is, I mean, like you said, they're doing hood vlogs now,

but the hood vlogs is really just glamorizing the bullshit. Yeah. Like, all yeah, y'all got musical talent over here. Okay, cool. You see the kids over there? That's dope, and that make them like, okay, we got people coming to our neighborhood doing shit like that, man, that gives people hope.

But another thing, too, Adam be having, like, why don't white beef? I don't know why, so. Why don't white beef? How do you feel about Vlad? I like Vlad. Legend. He pretty much invented the space in many ways.

Don't give the white man that much crazy. I mean, he was ahead of the curve on damn near everything in terms of like what YouTube content was going to look like. And he was the first person through the wall and he took all the shit for it and now everybody else does all the same shit that he used to do, myself included. Well, again, I don't think Vlad gets shit

because of the business model that he created. it's his intent. Yeah, I mean, and the outcome of it. Because his intent comes off, I've never met the gentleman, it comes across that he does not give a fuck, he's there for the view,

just the view, fuck what happens with the culture, and the outcome tends to be that way as well. So his intent is bad, and the outcome is bad as far as certain situations. I'm not saying, you got anyone indicted,

I'm not being that person, but that's how a lot of people view him. Yeah, I mean, from knowing Vlad, I know that he probably cares, more about the result in terms of his interviews. Like he's just told me that he's done things that I could never imagine doing

and that I was shocked to hear any person say in the sense that he told me that he called the fucking police department when he interviewed the baby to make sure that the Walmart situation was a closed case because he really wanted to ask him about it and he wanted to be able to say definitively that this was a closed case or whatever.

When I heard him say that, I was like, oh, that's a step that I never would have thought of in terms of making sure that his interview didn't. All right, let's, okay, let's hypothetically talk. And I promise this has nothing to do with Vlad saying poor things about me or any fake back and forth we've ever had. Do you think his intent was to make sure the baby was good and that case was closed, or he'd been called that so much that he can bring up in another interview to say,

hey, do you know that I did this? Hey, do you know this? Do you know this? Now you know that? Going down a rabbit hole. Is he now just starting to do that because he's been called this so much? He's a smart dude and a strategic dude. We're all products of the criticism.

we've taken over the years. For sure, the worst shit I ever read about myself on Twitter is like stuff that really I probably internalized and it made me think twice about what I was putting out there into the world. Oh, no, there's a lot of hate I've gotten that I've taken them like, they write. Yeah.

If you can't take some something from them, your biggest hater, then you're probably looting yourself. But I'm saying, was it only for him going, damn, maybe I should look out for these artists and this culture that I'm profiting off of. I'll give you another example. Or do you think he's just doing it to say now, hey look at me, I did this.

Vlad did a bangor tax stone interview like a couple days before he got locked up and never put it out. I've heard that, yeah. You know, like that kind of stuff. Like I think he does put people's freedom above his own personal interests. Let me ask you a question. And I hope that shout out to tax and I hope that trial goes amazing. No matter the result of that entire situation, what do we think Vlad's going to do?

Ask people about it on the podcast? No, I think he's going to put it out. Oh, after the fact? Maybe. Six years later. I think he's holding something that he knows now because he's a smart businessman. He would not hold that for some moral reasons. But I interviewed tax like that same week.

So I don't think the tax was saying anything incriminating. Because when I ask him about that situation, I don't say nothing incriminating. Adam, that's my point. He's not holding that for moral reasons. And I'm not mad at him for that. He's holding that because he knows whenever that trial happens, he has a tax interview. That's a business move. That's not a moral move.

And I'm not mad at tax for that. I'm sorry, Vlad, for that. Yeah, of course you're going to hold that. Don't say that's some moral cultural shit. But if he had dropped it at the time, it would have been getting views all throughout this. Whereas if he drops it six years after tax gets popped, I mean, is anyone going to even care? I mean, not as much as- Are you crazy?

Yeah, but if he had dropped it back then. But people don't want to watch an old interview. Yep. Vlad's whole platform is flashbacks. I have some great old interviews, and I'm pretty sure if I dropped them, that nobody would care because the world has just moved on. One thing that I can say about Vlad dealing with him myself, the first thing he told me is, if you don't like nothing that you sitting here, let me know I'll take that shit out.

And I thought that that was cool, because I'm hearing the theories and I'm like, okay, he's going to try to trip me out and say some shit. And a lot of times, bro, you go places. These people are not media trained. You feel me? They go say some bullshit.

And then they go, hey, I said some fuck those shit. Can you take it out? How many times do you think that he hears that shit? You know what I'm saying? And then after that, it's all, it's fuck you because now you're making me look bad. Like, nah, nigga, you made yourself look bad. And if this nigga the police, why the fuck are you even going over there?

I always say that. Up until this specific podcast, the only thing I've really talked about with Vlad is I feel he takes advantage of younger kids that don't realize what they're saying. They just see a huge platform and they're trying to get out of the circumstance they're in and that's one of the biggest platforms ever. And I think it's exploited to some degree. I'm not mad at Vlad talking to grown men and if they want to criminate themselves, that's on them. That's the only thing I've ever said.

And then Vlad, which we know, this is a fact, is one of the most sensitive people ever. He created in his head that I've just been shitting on Vlad. That's the only thing I've said for real about Vlad. And then he called me unintelligent. And when you start attacking like, all right, now you're doing something. I was just talking about your platform.

Now you're trying to say, I'm stupid. Yeah, you can't read. Yeah. Yeah, but you can say that about... I know my ABCs. You can say that about all the people. You know, like, clearly like Orlando Brown is not of sound mind. And he'll get a million interviews from everybody.

It's the same shit. Our own people will do it to us. Everybody will do that. Because right now I feel like everybody's just looking for that click. They want that revenue and shit like that too. So we can't just say, oh, Vlad is the only one doing it. We were going to do the Kanye interview. That's what I'm saying.

And then even before, people gave you a lot of slack for the Boone gang interview. They're like, why did Adam, you know what I'm saying? Well, that's an interview that wouldn't have came out if it wasn't live. And it wouldn't even happen if it weren't live. But the argument was like you knew that he was off of something. You feel me, but you're not thinking about the shit like that. I beg people to watch the full context of that interview so you could see me begging him to not come on camera.

But the other platforms doing it, theory, I don't know if I really rock with because if you want to be the biggest platform, you are the face of it, and now you need to take the heat for everything below you. Of course there's a million platforms that do what Vlad does. No, I'm not talking about them

because Vlad is the biggest one and he's the face of it. So he has to take the heat for everyone else that does it. I'm not going to sit here and condemn every other. other YouTube platform. Because why? Because why? I just think that even he's the biggest one. But the thing you said about him, you know, sort of baiting young kids into incriminating themselves. I didn't say baiting. I mean that that, that even if that's true, that's such a microscopic part of like what his interviews are. Like his interviews aren't even like mostly rappers, I would say at this point. You know, you interview and like the percentage of like really

young dudes that Vlad interviews is like really small. I go to see boozy. Yeah. Whenever I look at it as much old heads I never heard of half the time. Does Bushie do interviews with anybody else? I only see him on. Very frequently. I only see. I only see. I only see. But him and Vlad have a financial relationship, you know? Oh, clearly. So I think it makes sense for him to kind of focus on Vlad. I've loved Yale on his platform. I've watched it.

Like, I don't not watch certain Vlad stuff, but there was a time that was building that platform that was that type of shit. It's certainly changed, which is cool. But again, I think a lot of that had to do with the flack he was getting, and cool. You get criticism, change it. But we can't pretend like that wasn't a thing at one point.

I feel like Vlad pisses a lot of people off. on a personal level, and then they kind of judge the platform as a result. Or even, like, the way he conducts his interviews, sometimes, yes, it can feel a little bit copish, you know? It kind of feels like he's getting the entirety of the information on a story. The point of an interview is pretty much what police do, so of course it's going to come across that way. But, like, he does things in interviews that I don't necessarily do, where he'll, like, actually

have, like, an entire outline of your whole life and ask you about each thing step by step. Which... It's actually very good, like, in terms of, like, breaking down somebody's life. but it does come across a certain way. It's interrogation. I just think it's funny that ADML watching us have white-and-white crime. I love it. That's why I asked Vlad to come.

I will do you, Proust. But yeah, I don't have anything personal with that. I just think it's a conversation. Right. That's all. Because I let that whole unintelligent shit fly and just minding my business. But it's interesting that you're still connected to your prior boss's ops. You're not going to just change your...

attitude. Have you linked up with any of his ops? No. I don't, but that's just weird to me to even begin with. Like, and even Vlad said that in that same thing. Like, oh, you know, he could have done an interview with me had he not done that. I don't want to do an interview. I promise you if Vlad hit me at any point in my entire life. What are you hiding in Rory? Vlad will find it. I would, like, it's funny someone saying I would never do an interview with you when you would never accept an interview. You don't think it would be good for the podcast overall? couldn't hurt right we don't base our entire podcast off

so we could have sold 10,000 or 10 times as many records if she had gone on Vlad you believe that probably not but maybe more you don't believe that and because that's your man you let him get that off that was a crazy tweet that was probably a bad tweet

that was sick yeah that was sick 10 times as much that's crazy maybe a small boost how much percentage do you think Vlad's is male, the percentage of it's a demographic. Probably similar to ours, like 80, 85%.

Our's, that's a very good point, yeah. So we were all going to watch the sweetie interview and be like, yo. I gotta peep that tape. Gotta cop that. Nah. How many views is the clip

getting where it's like... She would do views, don't get me wrong. We would look at her face and talk. Fucking little baby and members of the Migos versus the clip that Sweetie talks about her new album. I'm probably not going to clip

I'm clicking on the first one. Yeah. And even though I know Sweetie probably won't go talk about baby megos and all that and I respect her for it. You want to see how she turns it down.

You think if she did that, all of Vlad's audience would have been like, well, let me hear the bars. They're not listening to the album. But I would say that, you know, it would have been good promotion. Probably not the kind of promotion

that she wants, though, at this point because he would have been really asking her all the personal shit that she probably. But she did put out a song directly addressing. it around that time as well. No, no matter what, it would be good promotion. I'm not saying it would direct to sales. Just be good promotion. Yeah. Turning podcast views into sales is a pretty big task. Would you ever consider adding some East Coast acts and personalities to your channel?

Yeah, I've even had a couple of people that seem like they kind of made sense, but it's like, what am I really doing for them on the East Coast? Like, it would just be kind of hard for me to figure out like where the, like I could help somebody start a podcast, but it's kind of hard for me to figure out what the value would be of me having like a network that also was on the East Coast. Is that Black Dave? Black Dave, yeah. Fuck with Black Dave.

Harlem. But, yeah, I don't know. It's just kind of, I don't know. It's hard for me to, like, imagine exactly, like, what's the point of that or, like, how exactly that would work. And be on Zoom the whole time? Well, that's, yeah, if we were doing it back and forth. What do you think SoundCloud didn't wrong?

I mean, they were, a competitor to streaming services that had billions of dollars. You know, I don't know. SoundCloud probably should have became a streaming service, right? I guess they probably did, right? Absolutely. But nobody gave it fuck because you're competing with Spotify and Apple Music. You don't think they should have been a label because they had a whole genre of music

and didn't have any connection to which the discovery of the artists. Where were they? They're in Europe, right? Like, they have no fucking clue about our culture. I'm sure they're around the corner. somewhere in LA. But I remember I did an interview with the CEO back in the day and it was like the most stiff CEO-ass conversation I ever had in my life. They were like a tech company. I don't really think they had any kind of grasp on what it would have been to like invest in culture,

you know? I don't know. It's just crazy to me that there's there's no genre called Spotify rapper, Apple rapper. SoundCloud rapper is a whole genre and moment in hip-hop history. And they did not benefit from it at all. The definition of SoundCloud rapper is. is basically like rapper who lacks the money or resources to get their music uploaded onto proper streaming services. Yeah, it did have like a negative. At that time, that was basically like what it meant. People were saying just mumble rap before that.

At one point, it wasn't though. And if you could look at your own analytics of, because SoundCloud to me was discovery. Why do I have 130,000? We have 130,000 followers on the No Jumper SoundCloud for no reason. We do nothing with it now. And also for the most part, like you can say what you will about streaming. My biggest issue with it is there is no discovery. It's so much based off what they're going to give you

where SoundCloud was you could play something that had 10 million views with the algorithms. It was based off chords. It would go to something that was 200 plays. Like that was the discovery factor of it and if you have that data and the SoundCloud rapper thing is like really a thing.

Like why are you not reaching out to those rappers to put that together? Like that's not even foresight. That's just an obvious one plus one equals two. But when you say that like it playing song after song and then it plays a song with 200 views, sounds a lot of like TikTok, right? Like, I feel like what people might have been getting from SoundCloud,

they're now kind of getting from TikTok, essentially, too. That's how I heard of Juice World. A little brother's playing them on SoundCloud. I'm like, who is this? He's like, oh, this is Juice World. I'm like, damn, nigga, nice. But like, you know, like you said about Discovery, that's why I used to appreciate hot new hip hop

in that Piff, because you would sit there and look, and it may be an artist that you never heard. It'll be like, why is he on the front? All right, let me at least give it a listen. And you become a fan like that. There ain't a lot of platforms like that. I don't feel like people are going to this editorial playlist and really finding new artists like that the same way that they would. I mean, there's no curators in general because we all lived through the blog era where it was like, oh, these are individuals who have strong opinions about music.

Now we have playlists and then we have influencers slash commentators who talk about stuff that's already popular for the most part. And like you just don't have a lot of curation going on. No, I think the SoundCloud algorithm was... You got tired of here and curator. got tired of hand curator. Yeah. So we killed the curation. It was the purest form of algorithm, I think, is what SoundCloud was.

But when you think about, like, a music critic whose job is to basically, like, report on whatever weird-ass shit that they're listening to, you don't see a lot of influencers in hip-hop who their brand is based on, like, yo, look at all the fucking cool-ass music that I know about. Just kind of like people get driven into dealing with the popular shit. True shit. I feel like the, but the music critic has become the personality. So their listeners are more tuned into the person that's talking about the music rather than the music.

It's not like a review anymore. It's a, I'm deciding to fuck with this rapper or this singer. And the conversation is so rarely about the music. It's like almost always about their personal lives and shit. I'm saying, yeah, that influencer shit, what are they really influencing besides themselves, which is fine. Like, influence yourself, monetize yourself. But you're not an influencer. Like, you're not influencing.

anything outside of your brand. But I'm telling you, like, if AD started doing a segment on his podcast where he did a half hour of listening to Underground Rap, it would be the least popular segment of whatever you were doing that week. Like, people just are not, like, I don't know, like, putting people on to new music is very fucking difficult. They're very... It's extremely difficult.

It is. But I think that... Anyone who's ever seen an artist perform live that they didn't know, knows your body resists it. You know? Also, you have to look at, like, the... All right, your personality on a microphone may not. match your taste of music that your fans like.

Like a lot of, I'm a big R&B head. Me too. He hates it. I know for a fact, a lot of our fan base does not want to hear me talk about anything R&B related. So you have to, like, I'm not an R&B influencer because I know most of my fan base. I may catch one where they'll be like,

oh yeah, this is a crossover. I like this. But no, they wanted to hear me talk about rap shit. I said him on R&B playlist. You don't talk with R&B? I found out that men listen to R&B from the Joe button podcast. You didn't know men listen to R&B? I just have never

I never hung out with dudes to listen to R&B my whole life. And then all of a sudden I hear you guys having these in-depth conversations about all these R&B artists and it wasn't really enough to make me want to go listen to them, but it definitely made me realize that that was a thing. I like to drive around listening to 90s, damn there all day. I listen to drive around, listen to Poo Shisty. What's your top five most played albums this year

on your analytics year? How do you get that? How do you get that on Apple Music? I don't know. I fucking was thinking about that. Yeah, Julian showed us how to do it. We didn't know how to do it on our show either. I got mine.

Brows. Okay. Great question. I got, y'all know yours too? Yeah, we said ours already. I don't know. I don't see anything. I have no idea, honestly.

We're listening to a lot of non-rap at this point with the kid. What shit? I just did it too. I know number one was my homie Blast, man. Shout to Blast. Love Blast. He was number one. I listen to music on Spotify and up with music too, so I feel like it would be very... Does he fuck with Blast?

Because Blast, you could definitely play that real... I like that. But I see the talent in Blast, but it is not something that I'm, like, driven to, like, listen to all the E. It just... I've never really been attracted to, like, soft singing music my whole life. I told you, he's like a grinch, man. No, I just have... I have an opinion, huh?

Where the body's hitting that? Huh? Where the body's hitting that? Because you don't listen to soft music, like, you gotta be like just... I wouldn't even consider the class soft music. I mean, he's saying. No. But anything with singing, a lot of shit is melodic, he don't fuck with it.

Yeah. But Blast does, like, what I think, for, like, rap fans, what Nate Dogg did, what Ty ended up doing. Like, Blast, I think, is in that category outside of his solo stuff, which can be real Army. I put like this. There's an artist I interviewed the other day, and I was listening to his whole, his whole mix tape on the way over to do the interview. You're part of the problem. Blas, Future, SWV.

Misogyny. Okay. I like him. Andrew Lamar, Tori, Drake, and Guy, the R&B group. They had one, he had one song on the whole tape that had singing on the hook. It was a girl singing on the hook. And it's like, I just felt it. Like, I wanted to skip past the song so bad.

As soon as the hook started. What? I just, I don't, I mean, I don't know. What did you listen to growing up? Ain't okay. Who's your favorite rapper? Of all time? Jay.

What's your favorite J album? It can't be Blueprint, because there's nothing but melodies all over that stuff. I like Blueprint. He's rapping over melodies. Sped up soulbees is not like, I don't have an a version of that. I actually love that. That's actually one of my favorite eras of hip-hop production. All the dipsets, dipset shit, all the spit-up soul samples, early Kanye.

Heat makers. I'd be totally fine if Kanye just kept making music that sounded like that for his whole career. I ain't going to lie. The new one that he just dropped those sister crap was fire. Oh, but they took that down. They took it down where that shit was fire. No comment. But I grew up listening to a lot of punk and hardcore and metal and shit too.

So, I mean, I don't know. I just never really got into it. How did you go from hardcore metal to hip-hop? I was just listening to it all the same time. Gotcha. Okay. That all appealed to me. I was a very angry young guy, you know.

Same. I understand. What did your parents listen to? Bill Clinton. A lot of, like, Motown. Like, wait, him on the saxophone or? Or like Bill's speeches? You're walking into your parents

playing the speech? He's got like three jokes. The Bill playing the sax album? I was, I listened a lot of like Motown. I just remember Marvin Gay and Michael Jackson being consistent privacy. Wait, what the fuck? And no, I like that shit.

That's melody and... Yeah, but it's not. That's the definition of it. Okay, so you like that type of music. You don't like the new current vibe. 90s, R&B, no. If you're rapping about her like, sing rapping about popping bottles in the club

and eating pussy, like, no. But that's not all R&B right now. It's too much. And I'm gonna be really, not really, though. I just don't want to hear chicks singing about nothing anyway. Like, I just don't.

Like, those are your problems. I don't want to hear about it. That's not a really specific. It's just like, a lot of R&B I listen to. I'm just like, that's cool, but I don't relate to it. Okay. That's fair. This just doesn't really feel like it's about my life.

Top five favorite albums. and I'd never like doing this list shit but this I'm just interested because you really hate melodies The fact that you said Jay's your favorite rapper was it fucking up

I wouldn't even thought that I just didn't think he was a Jay fan I mean for me it was like Jay and Nas really kind of like took me to another level of rap fandom when I was maybe like 16 because I'd always been a rap fan but I wasn't like fully all the way in on

the drama and the gossip and who had beef with who and shit and then somehow the Jay and Nas shit just like really forced me to like oh Now I'm buying a jungle album. Now I'm buying a fucking a couple of Memphis Bleak albums.

Big Noid had one of my favorite albums. Now I know what a done is. A done. Yeah. I remember dipset made me buy Uncasa album. You did the whole Purple City Bird game. You know how many bootleg dipset mixtapes I bought on Canal Street that just ended up being like nothing.

It was like all just songs from other albums like remixed and shit. Top five albums. Really got scammed a lot. Oh. And when you download on LimeWire off a false file, you got Bill Clinton's voice. you remember that. I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

Spent two hours waiting for a song to download. It was just a Bill Clinton ad. I remember that. I like volume two. Okay. I don't know. I mean, I just like volume two better than fucking...

Also a very melodic album too, which is odd. I mean, they could be having melodies on the beats. Hardin'all life on that one, right? I love that tape. And I love the Rockler familiar one. Best intro. I don't know, dude.

I suck a top five. I do too. Listen, a lot of Mottie. I know it's a shitty question. I also want to put Tupac Me Against the World up there is definitely one of my favorite albums of all time. And then the all eyes on me too, but I'm not sure which one I would pick over the other.

All eyes on me. What's the Mob Deep on with both their faces on it that I was listening to? Yeah, yeah. That's definitely up there. Less melodic. I can get that one. That's that good shit. I want to listen to that on the way home.

The Infamous? Yeah. Top five Motown albums. I don't know. about all that. I'll put on like Aretha Franklin, Spotify or whatever. Like my, my fandom for... My SB, CT. Yeah, my fandom for, like, rap involves me wanting to know every detail about the lives of

the people making it, but then my fandom of every other type of music is like, oh, I like the music. And I don't really give a fuck about anything about your personal life. You fuck up the temptations? Yeah. Favorite temptation song? I don't know what I'm done. I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm like the ultimate casual when it comes to every other type of music.

Like, I will go to YouTube and type in, like, indie rock essentials. I would never, in a billion years, listen to rap like that. Like, I would never go to rap caviar. Damn. Just not, like, how I choose to consume rap. I have, like, very specific preferences with rap. I'll go to Cali Eito. See, I don't even...

Rap caviar might be the only playlist I've ever been to. Aretha Franklin, spelling out respect or Boosie spelling out independent. Aretha Franklin? I like that hook. But the actual sonics of the record, I don't know. It's not my favorite. Sorry, that was funny to me. That's kind of why I like Leon Bridges,

and you bought that old feeling back, that first album that he had. Yeah. But like the old sonics and shit. You know Leon Bridges is? No. I'm going to bet to my question list. Yeah.

No. We've gone too far here. I feel like they, I feel like the label just threw a fedora on him and it pissed me off. Just because his voice was like that, like I felt like they dressed him away and it bothered me a little bit.

Because I fuck with Leon Bridges music, for real. I hated that they tried to, like, all right, you have to put the Harlem Renaissance suit on. That kind of, yeah. It was too obvious. Yeah. No, you know what's, what's his name? Lee Fields.

You ever heard him? Lee Fields and the expressions. He's a song called, I Still Got It. You wouldn't even believe that it's like a recent song. This sounds so old. Lee sounds old? It's like an old-ass black dude. I don't know where the fuck he came from or why he has these like super polished music videos or anything.

But that one song is like one of the best songs I ever heard. And I was blown away when I realized that it was new. I thought it was an old-ass song. I still got it. I still got it. Wait, how are you definitely heard of this song? My shirt, my shoes. I definitely heard that.

It's funny. I still got it. I just fucked up the order of the pants. You got to hear the old guy. I went home to be with my side. It sounds like that. You don't fuck with that song, though. I don't know why.

I just know it from a bike video. Because that's why all my, like, all the emo shit I like is all from like early bike videos. All indie rock shit that I've gone into was all just bike videos and skate videos had hell of rock music. So I just ended up with like way too much knowledge of that, even though. I just know the music. I don't know about them as people.

I don't want to harp on the melodies anymore, but it is also crazy. It just hit me. Like, you found X to some degree. I don't know if you claimed that. Yeah, it wasn't singing back then. X was made some of the best melodies I've heard in however many years I know he's fucking incredible

He was good at all that But that ain't really my shit Gotcha okay You guys listen to the R. Kelly album You knew that No, but that was fake It was like 100% fake No, it was out

A lot of them songs was old though He released a statement saying That's not him Right But was it songs that he had recorded Yeah, like someone never old Was it some kind of prank Like somebody uploaded it to his account or something

That wasn't that wasn't He released the statement saying That's not him at all Oh, really? But I remember in 2018 that I admitted song came out. It was like 13, 14 minutes long, and that was like a big thing. But I'm like, when I seen it on there, I'm like, nah, this old. This can't be new songs and shit.

So that wasn't all like the real R. Kelly streaming page? I swear I saw a screenshot. No, it was on the page. It was on Apple Music. So that can't be fake R. Kelly if it's on the... I realized what a casual R&B fan I am when I went to this wedding and when we got on the shuttle bus for them to drive us like a half-fuel. power to the venue, the dude at the front of the bus just puts on R. Kelly. And I just

didn't give a fuck at all. I didn't even think twice about it. As a ladies man, how do you feel? Don't point in me and say that. I can fuck on. I can put on R. Kelly? The lady's opinion, right? We had an argument earlier about this. I've never said that. Do you still listen to R. Kelly's old music? Can you, you know what I'm saying, differentiate that from the charges until the old music? It wouldn't even cross my mind. See, but I, but I, no, both of you are. I, I said I still listen to the old shit because I used to, you feel me, listen to it growing up. But the new shit, I won't give it no play.

Me personally. I don't support that shit at all. No. So when you're in the club and my mind's telling me, no. When that comes on, I look at the DJ like, he's weird. And I've never been in the club when that case came on since. Really? I've been to a lot.

It's just weird for a DJ to play R. Kelly. And I get it. We love the artist from the art. I get all of that shit. But, come on, fam. It's a lot of other music we can still listen to. A lot of old classic shit. I'm not like the moral high ground person at all.

I certainly do make this shit a buffet. But when it comes to underage shit, I'm cool. There'll be a lot of shit I'll let slide as far as criminal acts and be okay with it. I draw the line there. Real shit? I'm just so not invested in who the narrator is in his songs. I don't even think of it.

But that says a lot about my lack of interest in the genre. But if I'm in an R&B... That it was crazy. I don't know, dude. I just don't get it. But they already know that. Can I make you an R&B playlist? Sure.

You better not embed a bunch of fucking A-D songs and I'm like, he did. I put it on and it's got all his shit in it. You made him on the music in it? I was all mixed in. I'm sprinkled in there. You know what I'm saying? Right in between guy.

Yeah. He's like pro-off. And he texts me too. He was like, well, I don't want to hear about you like saying shit like this. I don't need to hear dudes talk about eating pussy. But I like orange-old.

So I'm like, if I'm going to make some shit too, that's cool. It can fit up in there. But older R&B, like, they hit it. Like, Summer Rain Carl Thomas, yeah, he's talking about him being rained on. Right. He's really talking about Shorty squirting on him. But if you're listening, you don't really know. And then you got the great Brian McKnight.

Let me show you how your pussy works. Since you didn't ring. I can't listen to any dude to say some shit like that. It's amazing. I can't listen to that. Legendary. I don't even know what it is, but. But rappers talk about that shit too, though.

No, I'll be skipping that shit too. I don't want to hear about that. Lil Wayne, when he made pussy eating popular. Yeah, that is true. That was like an arc in his music that I wasn't really overjoyed with. And I love pussy more than any, but I'm just saying. I don't really want to hear a rapper talk about it.

How'd you feel about listening to Jay Cole rap about losing his virginity? Not positively. Me either. Much respect to him. Legendary artist, great guy. Oh, no. Love Cold of Depth.

That was one of the more uncomfortable rap songs. I've ever heard my life. You could have kept that one. I appreciate the contribution to the genre in the sense that if he didn't do that, probably nobody else ever would have done that. And that's fine. No one needs to do it again. Groundbreaking. Yeah.

He did it so nobody else had to do it. Right. I wonder how he feels about it. Actually, I should have asked him that. He should have kept that one. Like, send that to the group chat. I should have kept that. I mean, people forget that the J. Cole is corny narrative was like hella strong for a long-ass time.

and I feel like that song probably played a big role in that. I think Cole is the perfect example that internet calling you corny doesn't matter at all. That was true. That was the biggest narrative ever in Twitter. It wasn't boring. This motherfucker sounding out arenas. I mean, it's just opinions.

Things only last for a day, two days maybe. Not even that. Like, look, nobody's even talking about Kanye today. Give him 24 hours. Kanye did a clubhouse call with whack that Clubhouse took down because it was so offensive and nobody even talked about it. Like that says a lot about how far we've come

that like, you know, the Kanye shit is kind of like too far gone that it's almost hard to even think of shit that were really grabbed people's attention at this point. He's oversaturating it. And I'm not talking about the content, just how much he keeps saying the same thing. Yeah. Like there was some mystique in Kanye

regardless of how many interviews he's done. You're going everywhere to say the same fucking thing. If you hang out with Nick Flentes for a couple months, it's kind of like, whoa. nobody's going to really be all that shocked by anything else you do. Like, I never saw that come in a billion years. I don't think him coming, no jumper

was even whoever be on the table. Yeah. What would y'all have asked that other kid? You know what? Nick, whatever his name is. We had an interview with him before, and I felt like, you know, the homie shot the homie guilty, he gave me a lot of shit to study for.

And I was like, I ain't got to study for this, nigga. But I was like, damn, he was hitting us with shit that we was like, I wish I was more equipped for that. So this time I was like, I'm doing my homework. Like we really, like, we're trading notes and doing research. I'm like, when he comes here now, we're about to hold it down. We're going to have all the facts together.

He's very, very good at selling you the idea that he is very, very proud of being white and that he thinks all the races should basically live separately, but that he's not a racist. Okay. Which is kind of like, it becomes hard to really, like, pin him on whatever. Like, it was just, I didn't really know. where to go with it. Did you go for Trump?

No. I'm a Biden guy. From New Hampshire. Sliding from Biden. Hashbren Town. Sliding for Biden. We spin the block for the Dems. You feel like we should give everybody a platform or everybody conversation?

No. So with the Nick kid, do we think we're changing anyone's minds if we, because I do agree, we all do need to talk if we disagree. I live on that side, but with that kid, like, all right. I agree. What's going to happen besides?

It wasn't a terribly productive conversation. That side's going to believe that. This side's going to believe that. It's literally just in a debate. Yeah. It did kind of feel like a wist because I already knew his position on everything. So it's like I don't, and I'm not really going to do an interview where I'm just like, well, you're a racist. You're a racist.

You're a racist. Like I just don't really like want to get somebody on the podcast and just state obvious shit over and over. So I didn't really know where to go with it. The fuck the part about the whole Kanye thing, especially. the drink champ shit is him saying what he said, it really overshadowed a lot of good shit he said in that. It was great. The drink champs one?

Like he said a lot of really good shit in that interview, but it obviously was overshadowed about the things that he said that everybody was offended about. But listening back to that, or, you know, well, it was hard to find it now, a lot of pretty much take it down soon as somebody puts up. You got to rumble. Right.

I have to watch multiple things on rumble in recent memory. That site fucking sucks. Really? It's terrible. It's like dealing with a sight from the 90s. Man. Anyway, sorry. Yeah, but he has some good shit to say in the eye, but, you know,

this shit he's on now is, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck he's talking about at this morning. Yeah, it feels like everybody who was defending Kanye at a certain point just kind of gave up on it. Hip-hop's kind of like trying to pretend this isn't happening. And it has been very quiet for like the last week or so, so it's kind of easy to pretend, I guess. I don't know.

I mean, clubhouse, they stop that shit. Right in the middle of him talking. It was a weird feeling to be like When this clubhouse going to add video? Probably never. You think they'll take shit away from me. Having 50 videos on the screen. Don't be clubhouse no more.

How long does clubhouse last? I mean, people are still going there. No, 100%. I'd like to know the numbers, like how popular it is right now. I want to know when Wack is getting paid. Wack is keeping that shit alive. For sure. All right, what I'm saying is if WAC decides to not go on

Clubhouse tomorrow, how long does clubhouse exist at all? I'm sure it's still relevant in some other. worlds like it's still a come down with people. No, because that's what they did during quarantine. We all made Clubhouse the most popping shit ever. And then it died because they tried to do the tech shit

and like they wanted to go on the nerdy side, which is whatever, and it failed. Wack made that shit what it is now. If Wack decides to leave and they go back to the nerdy shit, it's going to die the same way it did before Wack got on there. Real shit? I don't know. I assume there's a bunch of random

niche communities on there, but I've personally never had any desire to do it, like today I've been on camera for like eight hours, the idea of me like going home and then hopping on the phone and having more conversations for free. I'm just like, how? Well, and I've been recording for fucking 72 hours straight. Right. And I'm ready to lose my fucking mind.

Okay. So now we know what state you guys are in. That's cool. You waited to reveal that. That you're frazzled right now? It didn't. You didn't see it from the beginning? It wasn't coming through.

He's keeping himself alive with these skittles. Yeah, that's right. $2.00 skittles. You want to know a big complaint I have about your problem? podcast? Sure. The camera angle typically doesn't show your shoes, which I felt like it was always kind of a big part of the JbP. It was like, what shoes is my all going to wear this week? And how many fucking pairs of shoes could he possibly own? Way too many. Well, ever since we moved into Rory's house, he has a nice carpet, so we take our shoes off. Ah, oh. But we're ready to move into

a new studio, so we'll change. It'll be like a shoe cam. You fuck up the carpet? Yeah. Only to be in a Rory's house right now. Brand new Dior's and just went right at my white carpet like this. But they were brand new. He put them on in. It was for the fit. Once you move to the new studio, we'll change the camera and news again. You think we should do the Wendy Williams shoe can for more? They do that? I don't know if I ever actually watched a Wendy Williams show, but yeah, definitely. Check in real quick, you know. Way too many sneakers, though. How serious do you guys take the drip on the pot? Like, can you repeat outfits? Yeah. Hey, I do all the time now. And since it's moved to my house, yeah, I walk out,

my bedroom and what I have on at the time. Right. This morning. the hot water wasn't working so I'm literally it usually takes a minute or two well there's a happy ending to the story but usually takes like a minute or two before the water turns hot so I'm standing there for probably like 25 minutes like every minute like putting my hand

still cold that tastes long too still cold still cold and then I'm really standing there like am I about to go do four podcasts without a shower because the water is literally so cold that I don't think I can handle it so I had to look up a YouTube video about how to turn the fucking gas back on because somehow when I was bringing in the trash cans, it turned the gas off.

And it made it even worse because when the shower didn't work, what do I do? I'm like, I'm going to go make breakfast, kill some time. Fucking stove doesn't work either. Boom. Could have been the worst morning ever. He fixed everything. We fixed it, though. Thanks to YouTube. Thanks to YouTube. And see, even YouTube, we're honest in the clubhouse. I listen to it on YouTube. Don't go to that. Yeah, that's all I do, too. Yeah. What's the weirdest hobby y'all have that no one would know about Pokemon Go. I don't know this is a hobby, but I can do this.

I'm pretty open about all my hobbies. Yeah. I don't know what that is, but it's funny. That's not a hobby. I don't know what they're sitting around the house? He put his phone on his face. I don't know if it was a hobby, but I can do this. He's like, I've been dying to show.

I've been waiting to show that. No, because like. Finally, it's my chance. Hey, I randomly beat places like I can go to Starbucks and somebody call me and I'll be getting my order on them. He's not lying, though. I've seen him do this. A million times.

I don't know it. I just sit there and I just be, I play the video game. I'll be talking. What is holding it to your face? Is that a cheek bone, like eyebrow? Is it a beard thing? I don't know. I think it's a bone structure thing.

I had a, what's that shit called? When they scan you to cat scan, there ain't no metal in there. He has a fake beard. You had to get cat scan to know if you had metal in you? You have a fake beard and are not riding with Tori Lanes? I thought I had a, okay, you know you're going to web MD and shit like that. Yeah. I thought I had brain cancer.

one time. From what? I was just, I wasn't feeling it. You had a headache? You thought you had a brain cancer because your phone could stick to your face? No. That could be part of it. Which by the way, I got care. I would agree with that.

My phone is sticking to my face. The ultra-right leg. So I was on WebMD. Hey, no, but I, you know, you know, I had anxiety problems, you feel me? And I was, you know, this is when I'm like, you know, stop drinking. Because I used to just drink crazy. Yeah. And I was like, all, I'm going to go cold.

and they told me don't do that. And I just start having, like, real mental problems and shit, too. And then plus the shit sticking to my face, and I'm going, you know, going to Google. I'm like, I'll see these symptoms. And I'm like, everything is like you. Death answer. Yeah, I'm thinking, like, I got two weeks to live. So I go to the emergency.

Two hours to live. $15,000 bill if I didn't have insurance. Y'all both don't smoke cigarettes, right? No. See, that's why I think that y'all really broke up. Is that everybody on the other side smoked six? I feel like that, like, and when you're smoking SIGs, you start talking. Mm-hmm.

You guys aren't out there. You're on the couch in the house. You don't know what's going on in that conversation. All of a sudden, there's a divide. I smoke weed. The only thing I envy about cigarette smokers is you have, for some reason, the most socially acceptable reason to leave a conversation or a place you don't want to be. Yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to walk outside smoke a sick. You can end a conversation socially acceptable in that regard.

Right. Meanwhile, I'll be sitting here and someone talking my ear off, and I just have to be like, yeah, no, all. I'm trying to do this. I got to use the bathroom. Oh, I walk with you. You cigarette smokers? You're about to just... You smoke a cig?

No, once in a while. Those are supposed to splits mostly. But, yeah, like, you ever see the dude in the club is just rolling blunts back to back? And you're just like, oh, this is like a replacement for you having a personality. Yeah. But you have nothing going on in your head.

So you're just sitting here rolling up over and over. I see. But that is the club, though. Yeah. You have to show... You're either this spend money guy. No. It's the worst place to get.

in the world. I've done it and it's... I know how to handle it now, but it's still not fun. Yeah. You got to be the spend money guy, the role weed guy, the guy that dances, the guy that's the plug, or you just don't go. You'll be the bum-ass nigga that drink everybody little bottles. You see your homies in there. We were in Miami. In Miami, on Fresh and Fit, and then we go to the fucking club at four in the morning. And I'm stone cold sober just looking at all these girls rolling off Molly just and I'm just like That sounds like a nightmare

What the fuck? Yeah, no. Like, what are you people doing? You've just been partying in here for six hours? Yeah. I just got here and I'm just looking at you. There'll be mothers one day.

Yeah. I really, it probably aren't going to take that long. Girls flip the switch between like club trash to mom pretty quick, pretty easy. Which I respect to some degree, but I guess it's just how you transition.

But I have like a morbid fascination with it when there's a girl that was getting, like, ran through by all the homies, and now she's got, like, three kids, and once in a while I just want to look at her Facebook and just kind of observe it, observe the transition. Probably the best mom on Facebook.

Yeah. She got all her wiggles out early on. Her wiggles. I didn't realize how weird Adam was until today. Why? I always thought she was, like, super cool. No. But I'm like, oh, Adam is weird.

No, I'm tripping. He's cool, but he's weird. I like it, though. I'm digging it. No, I expected there to be a bunch of questions. That's why I was sitting here on the couch. Like, all right, I bet. Let me get prepared.

What are we supposed to ask you about? You wanted like a drama interview? No, not at all. No drama. So here's every single person who's ever dissed you. Let's go one through one. Oh, no, I know you could have done that. And, you know, we had had had a prior conversation

that that wouldn't be this interview. We can be honest. I hate when people are not honest in podcasting anymore. I definitely didn't want to talk about any of that shit. Let's make it clear. But I thought because I do enjoy your interviews, I thought maybe you would have like a list of other things. You could just say I'm not interesting.

That's okay. No, you guys are cool. I like beef interviews. Like, I like interviews where we get to talk about a bunch of messy shit. But I'm also very much, like, not trying to do interviews that other people have already done. Agreed. And I kind of feel like I can't think of anything that I would ask you guys about Joe or whatever that you probably haven't chosen to say on your own time.

So, you know. I agree. And I like it. I think this is great. Yeah. You just over here. I don't like your tone when you said, yeah. Yeah?

I don't know, man. Yeah, I forgot about the Vlad thing even. It wasn't really a thing. I think I just made it a thing. I remember hearing him say that, though, and be like, oh, okay. Yeah, I thought it was weird. That's how he feels.

Adi, what else you want to do within concept? Do you think you got more hats to me? You should sell phone cases like that. How many hats you really got? I probably don't have more hats than you. I probably have more, like, custom hats. Okay. Because I usually, like, give a lot of them away.

Shout to the homies at Cap City. You should fuck with them while you are here and shit, too. Cap City? Cap City, yeah. Is it Cap City out here? You think custom shoes are cool? They can be corny. People give them to me sometimes, and I look at them, and I'm like, are they supposed to be whack?

Like, I don't know. I'm not really like a sneaker guy. I don't really want to have my own opinions. I want to just take other people's opinions. There's some Instagram pages that I follow with dudes that take a sneaker and kind of like... Shoe surgeon? Yeah, like little things like that. It's like, okay.

but it could get corny, but See, I like going to New York for the hats too, though. Like, you got some... We got a Cap City in New York. That's why I didn't know. Hack club, but then you got guys like Loso, my guy, Jay Tips,

you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna put you on. We had a hat battle. Yeah, I lost. They brought out, like, they each brought out hats like one by one. To the Great House phone.

I heard about it. Oh, yeah? The fans voted on it? Yes, I lost. Ferrence were. Like, are you taking it? You know they broke a couple up at their recent show? What you mean?

A couple broke up in London because they were asking her about her past whore behavior. Jesus Christ. Was it London? No, that was Seattle. No, that was Seattle, you're right. Yeah, Seattle, yeah. I was trying to remember back to London. Like, damn.

You were running around just breaking everybody up everywhere. That's crazy. Yeah, Seattle one was nasty because she came out with us afterwards. Neither did you. We didn't just break them up. Like, she linked us. You weren't trying to get in there? No, no, no.

You couldn't bang a fan? I don't think so. I did one time and it's the worst shit in the world. The worst. Oh, God, I would never do it again. Really? You know how weird it is to have sex with somebody that feels like they know you based off of what you do? And then, like, after you have sex, it's like, yeah, so when you wasn't at one episode, I was like, yeah.

That's weird. This is bad. Like mid-head. She, like, got up was like, yo, just reminded me in what she was talking about. Oh, my God. I remember an episode you was. saying how you like head and I'm just like I yeah like a girl having some basic knowledge of you

is one thing but a girl knowing what you talked about on the podcast for two hours the week before is a fucking creepy my girl doesn't know what I'm talking about on here yeah too much of this she can't listen to that you know well what defines a fan yeah because I don't want to say I haven't fucked a fan I fuck someone that's pretty well aware of what

I was doing and probably fucked me because of it right but it wasn't like listening twice a week and was telling me about every episode. She's like, no, I fuck with your podcast type shit. Right. I probably didn't deserve the pussy I got. It was based off her knowing what it was. But I don't consider that a fan.

But you get to the point where anyone that you might date in your relative world is going to be probably at least a little bit familiar with what you've done with your life. Yeah. That doesn't really make them a fan, though. The funny thing is, though, through my relationships, it might be better to date the fan. She'd be more understanding. The people that don't listen all the time don't understand certain shit you have to do for content,

embellishments, shit you're just saying. That becomes a problem in your household. I'm thankful that... Maybe I should just take the fan that gets the jokes. I'm thankful that my inside jokes here don't transition through to home. Of course not. They're not inside home jokes. Yeah.

Inside no jumper jokes. Yeah. It takes a lot for my girl to become aware of the shit that we're talking on here. Like you accusing her of abusing the dog. Free Ralphie, man. She said last night, she's like, I was thinking about putting out a statement on my story saying that I'm not imprisoning the dog in a tiny cage, like AD said. Great training.

I'm like, you don't have to do that. I don't know. Some big poodle. This dog is like eight feet tall with a two-foot cage. I think he's potty trained now, though. He has no choice. He's sleeping in a shit. We forgot to lock him up.

Laying in his shit. The cage is all about keeping him potty trained, but we forgot to put him in the cage the other night and he didn't poop. So I think we might be all right. Oh, you give him freedom. One of her family members where I was changed. She was with me. Yeah, she was fucked up.

So the dog lives matter. He's got a hot sister. Oh, wait, no, it wasn't her. It was her. Never mind. You got that, you got that. Yeah, sorry. You follow my sister on TikTok.

I was like, nigger. Yeah. Oh, AD's sister's cute? Yeah. Stay away, Mom. And she's into me. I'm just asking. Do you think she looks like AD?

No. Okay. Not at all. I was just curious how you. I hope not. We got to find out. Get her in here. That's such a weird talent.

But that's some nigger talent. Not a talent, a hobby. None of you do this. It's a hobby. We don't want to do this. Hey, it's very resourceful. I like how Pokemon Go didn't rattle them at all. Because you look like you would play Pokemon Go.

It's a great thing to do when you exercise. That's the one that the kids were like running across the street, getting hit by cars trying to catch. The good old is. He still doing it. Wait, it's still around? Yeah. He still plays it.

Six, seven years in. No, I remember one time that shit was like, we was in Santa Monica. I didn't know where everybody was on the pier. I was like, what the fuck is this? That was legendary. 80,000 Asian people on a Saturday night. It was crazy. It was insane.

My homeboy was in the house. We in Santa Monica. He gets up, start putting. He's like, there's a, I forgot what type of character? There's a something, something right down the block. I'm going to get it. A pokie stop. Probably a nice snorlax.

I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? What's wrong with you? I mean, I can't judge them at all because I, I planked for a while. I was planked. I was planking. I was planking. in some weird places. I planked a little.

Yeah. So I can't judge someone running across the street trying to chase. Well, those days were over. I was looking at like, I became an architect during the planking era.

I was like, hmm, that's, that's, what, 89 degrees? Okay, I could do it. Now it's more about hunting shinies. So like, one in every four,

one in every 450 Pokemon you catch is going to be a slightly different color. That was a shiny. So. You did a great challenge? It's a big thing, though.

Nah. No. I can't lie though, it did cross my mind. I wouldn't go set the crates up, but like if I were to be walking down the street and there happened to be some crates, I might have tried it. I kind of halfway did it. You just set it up. It was one crate? No.

You sat on a crate? No. The fucking crates were zip tied together. Right. And I fucking thought that I really did it and I actually didn't do it. I saw it and thought, oh, I could injure my spine if I tried to do that. Like, I could really get broke off. Hell yeah. chasing a Pokemon across

405 you could hurt yourself to it No there's like a thing where the Pokemon don't show up on the highway I would hope so Now They figured that out Back in 2016 They just figured it out Because I'm in rush hour traffic and I'll fucking open it

And they won't be popping up when I'm on the 405 Thank God This is a man to know He's right there Well traffic isn't in the middle of 405 Well some cops got busted in L.A. for catching a Pokemon When they were supposed to be on the job Which I really don't think is that bad

They were just having fun. Man, he's supposed to be protected me every morning. Blue Lives Matter. Oh, my God. All right. J.K. All right. He was fine with the people protecting and serving

opening their doors to find Pokemon. I mean, were they supposed to work all day? Yeah. I mean, I guess. Seems kind of unreasonable. I would like to think that. Three months, four months?

We were in a trash can before this, so there was a big step up. Yeah, that shit was falling. apart. Yeah, we have mosquitoes. Leading from the ceiling. Yeah. It was disgusting. Anyway. Yeah. I'm probably just going to go to bed. I think it's that time.

Yeah. Hi. That's DeMaris. Hello, DeMaris. DeMaris can come in. You can walk in. The pod's about you now. Yeah. I'm talking to you. All right. Appreciate you guys coming on. Yo, man. Thank you all, man. That was dope. Did you ever see when the Flintstones met the Jetsons? Yes. This is what this is like?

Who would be the Flintstones? That is up for interpretation. Well, I'm my oldest, so probably, does. What's crazy is, I think, wasn't George Jetson born this year? Was he? That was on Twitter, so I don't know if it was true. But I guess in one of the Jetson episodes, they put, like, his birthday, and it was in 2022. Did you see the theory?

That's fucking wild. That the Flintstones are really in the future? Yeah. That would make sense to me, though. It's all simulation. Wow. Wow, July 31st. Yeah.

I remember there was a Marvel comic book that was like 2009, and it was like the future of everything, and it sucks that I'm not going to live to see that, unless some major technological innovations come through. Never know. You're going to get a neurolink? I don't know what that is. It's like the Elon Musk company

where they want to make a computer that embeds in your brain. I mean, that's what they be... It depends what it's for. Like, if it can help people, like, if you actually have brain cancer and you could put that in there, I don't know if they're claiming to be able to do that. No, that gives you brain cancer.

If Elon handles this company in any way like how he's handled Twitter, then I'm not down. He's already putting a computer on his head. He's going to take my blue verified check away, and therefore I do not trust him with my brain. And I wouldn't cop a Tesla right now either. If I was thinking about buying a Tesla, I don't think I want to support this dick, I just seen a pit bull destroy Tesla.

Wow. You seen that? Oh. Yeah. Well, the fucking inside joke that nobody gets. Thank you. No,

the pit bull really was like eating the fucking Tesla. Okay. Get a Honda. You just say something and just expect everybody to understand. I don't know. How often do you hang out personally?

Never. Clearly. Never. This is too much already. All right. Shout out George Jetson. Yes. Happy birthday.

Okay, mall. What? Nigger, today's not July. Right. So what? He's a few months old. I'm celebrating all year. Don't tell me how to celebrate.

Celebrating all year. Appreciate y'all for having us. Appreciate y'all for coming, man, for real. It felt like a Seinfeld episode. It did. A lot of nice pauses and stuff. You better not beat Kramer. Well, that was after the show ended.

I mean, you agree with this political views. though, right? That rant specifically. No, no, Rory. I'm fucking with you. No, you're not. This was fun. It is awkward to get home.

Holy shit. I'm walking away now.