No Jumper - Rum Nitty on How He Rose To The Top of Battle Rap

Starting point is 00:00:00 God tier podcast, the coolest battle rap podcast in the fucking world. No jumper. Live with my co-host. Man, go get the gun quickly. It's rumnitty and you play a partner Lush Uno from 51.50. What's that? Epic West Coast shit. What's happening?

Starting point is 00:00:21 West. Big Cuban, big Versace up in this bitch. Look at my man's right now. He said the bag ass landed. That's when you spend in the old. bag that's when you know that the bag has arrived it's a clear indication but what what I like to do when money comes I catch amnesia I forget that I have that shit so I don't spend it because I got a problem you got to egg broke you got

Starting point is 00:00:45 I'm broke baby man rumnitty one of the most prolific profound and important lyricists and battle rappers and overall emcees from the West coast ever and definitely my favorite rapper in the history of the state of Arizona definitely the best battle rapper ever come from Arizona that's and that's and that's actually some dogs from the city though you know there is and shots to some dogs shots to cage you the poet obviously and there's profit prophecy you feel me shout out to all them boys the reds all the motherfuckers on to come up you know yeah it's flow columbo from out there too I can't, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:01:32 There's a lot of them. Jalopi, there's a lot of them from the city. That's crazy. Yeah. Now, being from Phoenix, what I perceive of Phoenix is like it's a similar culture to LA, but y'all got your own vibe. Like, what's it like growing, like, people don't know about the streets of Phoenix like that, but it's just like any otherhood, you know,

Starting point is 00:01:54 it's going to have real niggas, it's going to have fake niggas, you're going to have, you know, bad bitches, ugly bitches, run throughs, anything, you feel me, running through. And running is with the laws, hey, things, the same as any hood. Real shit, you know, it's really not too much different. Definitely, like, I feel like going on tour, there's certain cities. When I go to a certain city, I know I'm going to get pussy. Like, I feel like Phoenix, like, I'm knocking something down 12 times out of 10 when I go to Phoenix.

Starting point is 00:02:22 There's an abundance of pussy out there, bro. Yeah, man, it's a Milton pot. It's like a retirement state. It's a lot of different motherfuckers from every one. where you feel me you'll go to Scottsdale find some like that's where it's that so you're about to go get the volleyball white bitch I was gonna say some some sleazy divorcee with fake tits is gonna be like hey you walk every bar's a cougar bar in Scottsdale I swear to God but then then the sections of Phoenix get kind of slimy and there's like is it yeah it's slime

Starting point is 00:02:49 would you say it's is it super like along the lines of some LA shit as far as no I'm not I wouldn't say it's as dangerous as LA no you know I'm saying but you know we get a lot of our influence from LA. Right, that's what I mean. A lot of the politics has spilled over into the city. So yeah, you know, it can get wicked, definitely. And when did you start rhyming? When did you know that you was nice with it?

Starting point is 00:03:10 From a, you know, from a baby. They're in there fifth grade type shit. How old you right now, Ron? 35. So you started rapping when you were 10 years old? Around there, roughly. Not seriously, you know, just fucking around. I'm kind of trying to just gauge, like, just aside

Starting point is 00:03:26 from all this other shit, like how much of an incredible writer you've became and like why does it why is it that the people that are the best writers in the world are always the people that have been rapping for the longest and started early and it makes a lot of sense that you started rapping at 10 years old that's fucking crazy I don't know shit I'm a student of the game you know I took a little bit of took pieces of my game from a lot of different emcees you know you got put on the West Coast shit first or did you get put on that East Coast shit first or did you get put on better lynch okay that's like my biggest influence

Starting point is 00:03:58 Shout out the brother, Litz, huh? That's interesting. That's interesting for show. And because there's not like, I mean, there's rappers from Phoenix, but you didn't really have like a local scene that inspired you to that degree. It was more, you looking west off top. Yeah, exactly. Y'all didn't have like a battle league coming up out there, like back in the day.

Starting point is 00:04:17 Yeah, Samtrap. Yeah, Keith. Shouts to Keith. Shout to my name Keith, right. Yeah, so that's cool. When did that start? I don't know when it actually started. I came around probably like 2000.

Starting point is 00:04:28 nine because I host to the battle years in 09 yeah let's talk about that like well I want to yeah I want to talk about that but I want to know what led up to that I want to know the run you know what led up to just the sand track battle or just what led up to your early career you as a person I feel like you know I've known you for years like you're you're a homie of mine feel like people don't you're you're very guarded with who you are and it's not that like you're battle rapper yeah yeah I wouldn't say guarded you know I'm just I'm my a social media person, you feel me. So it's not even like I'm trying to be secretive and not just, you know, I really don't press them. But it's too much on that motherfucker, you feel? No, no, I'm not saying you saying it like that. It's not, but as a battle rapper, you tend not to tell your story like that. You know, you don't want to give ammunition to certain MC if you feel me, the wrong ammunition. No, but the thing is like even good ammo is ammunition, right?

Starting point is 00:05:20 Like even if you have a good story. Yeah, exactly. Just tell it merely telling a story. A good MC could flip a good story. A good story. I fucking flip a good father. You know, it can be anything. I'm like, God damn, what's wrong with that?

Starting point is 00:05:31 Yeah. Yeah, that's the batterer. You know, batter rap is a place where if you're a doctor. He's supposed to be shooting, niggins. You know, you a doctor, you a teacher. They'll make fun of you for teaching people, for being a doctor, for being a doctor. Let me find out, it's batter wrap. Let me find out you a motherfucking doctor.

Starting point is 00:05:49 All stripes are removed. You are not allowed to stick. The only place that's fucking crazy. He said, you pop up niggas and saving him. Yeah. Yeah, that's a bar right there. Yeah, man. No, but like, I just want to know.

Starting point is 00:06:03 I feel like we use this platform for people to tell their stories, who they are that people don't get to see. Like, a lot of people didn't know what Danny went through, moving out to New York, sleeping on couches, being homeless, pursuing this hip-hop dream. And then ascending to the star that he used today. Like, what's your crazy story? Like, how he had that story. What is the origins of RUMIDI? you know, a $200 in a backpack story. Yo, that's funny as fuck,

Starting point is 00:06:33 consider you guys, oh my God, he's killing us. Right before, I think it was 2013, I battled my nigga Stax. Shout to my next Stax. He just got released. Welcome home, my nigga. Man, welcome home.

Starting point is 00:06:45 Jay Fox seen the battle. It's like, you know, I'm gonna get you on King of that that, you feel me? Jay Fox from the sons. Shats are my brother, Fox. He's known for that, you feel me? And he brought me to Y'all direction. That's when I battle.

Starting point is 00:06:58 Not just pilot. Right. But the backstory to that is I was living in the Hami studio at the time, like a recording studio, me and my son, you feel me? I guess I come up on some bread that I can use for rent, give me a spot. Then I get the call like, hey, come out the king of the dot in LA, what do I do what? But they're not paying for my plane ticket or my hotel. So I'm like, damn.

Starting point is 00:07:19 It was in Oakland, too. It was even further. It was in LA. Yeah. Oakland. So I'm like, damn. No, I like this. I can get this APT, my apartment.

Starting point is 00:07:26 Or I can. You know what I'm saying? get this plane ticket, go get a hotel room, and go try to battle, and get my name out there. Long story short, I go out there. I didn't even have enough for a room, nigga. I had enough for one way there, one way back. That's why KG, my brodie.

Starting point is 00:07:41 He said, you could sleep in my room. I didn't really know. I didn't even know if you'd even know. I didn't even know how much. Nick, I go out there and lose it to myself. I felt like I lost. Well, you had. You feel me?

Starting point is 00:07:49 I had the stumbles. I had the stumbles. You had a great first two rounds and then in your third little stumble. So I'm not going to lie. I get back to the hotel room like, fuck battle rap, I just spent my rent money. Like, nigga, I'm back to the

Starting point is 00:08:02 fucking studio after this. I lost. You feel me? Like, I really felt like I tricked my family out of something, you know what I'm saying? Trying to look out for myself type shit, you feel me? But I got that call. I got that call. They're like, no, I want to see you with A. B. Hoggish type shit, you feel me? At that time, A.B. Hoggis is that nigga. Right.

Starting point is 00:08:19 Shouts out to him too, babe. Huggish. You feel me? Yeah, so it was my little backstory. You feel me? Like, I felt like, I fucked up. Like, damn, I just spent my rent money on a plane ticket, bro, went out there and lost, my nigga. Like, that shit really ate me up. For real, for real. That's crazy. For real, for real.

Starting point is 00:08:34 But even so, that's some real shit because that's part of the thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, putting that out there because that's like my Chicago story. You know what I'm saying? Like, I pretty much spent everything that I had. It was my only paycheck. Like, I took it and I spent it on that. And just seeing that, like, in hearing Danny's story, it's crazy how every point,

Starting point is 00:08:52 the people that are the most passionate about this did some crazy-ass gambling shit like that. Like that's his story. That's a crazy gamble. That's a crazy gamble right there. That's a lot of it. I don't know that story. I would have still been sand trapping it. Because in the city I wasn't trying to get on no battleshit.

Starting point is 00:09:07 I never wanted to get known as a battle rap. We was doing that shit. We was betting. Okay. I just bet personally in the city just, you know, doing some shit like that. And then my name just kind of got out there. I would never trying to do nothing. See, that's what I was...

Starting point is 00:09:18 At that time, no, I'm like, you know, I'm going to try it. Okay. And it's backfired. I'm like, damn, bro, you feel me? But, you know, luckily, you know, I did enough to get that call back. Well, and that's what I was kind of alluding to. I was like, so you wasn't prior to the Sandtrap thing, you was just trying to get on as a rapper, essentially.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like everybody, back in those days, battle rap was just like a quick stop to get your name out. Right. Notaryity, get my name out. And then I'm going to be an artist. I'm going to drive music. Everybody was like that.

Starting point is 00:09:48 I feel like 90% of them at least. Nowadays, you got people that don't make music at all. They go straight to, because it's like its own genre now. Right. You know what I'm saying? But I feel like back in the day, I'm like, no, I'm just going to do this to get my name out there. And then I'm going to do some music, you feel me? But I didn't think it was going to turn into what it did.

Starting point is 00:10:05 Well, there wasn't nobody winning 75,000. Wasn't nobody winning $75,000 from one battle? Yeah, I'm like, shit, this might be the stock. Right. You feel me? This might be where I'm at. Yeah. No, that's, so the first time I saw you was 2009.

Starting point is 00:10:21 Keith Wright brought me out to Phoenix. We had the, shout us out to Keith. We had the grind time, battle rap. League was in full swing. It was the biggest battle rap league in the world. And we were starting up different chapters in all these different cities. He had hit me to slide to Phoenix. And I was kind of shook before I went out there because he didn't book, like, I never actually saw his face. I was like, this could be a setup. I don't know what I'm getting into. I didn't really see any of the footage from the Phoenix battles or nothing. I'm like, I told my girl, I was like, baby, like,

Starting point is 00:10:53 if I don't call you in 15 minutes, like, I'm kidnapped. You feel like call the cartel. You feel like we bust some move real quick because I because they did me slimy But he wanted to pick me up and this soon he had some some some some chick with them who passed me a blunt and as soon as I hit that blunt I was like all right. And then went to they took me to the mall got right. Wump de Wompty Wump then went to and you instantly stood out to me you know what I mean like yours you there's another dude name Sife. I think his name was Yeah, I remember Sife. Yeah and

Starting point is 00:11:25 Oh, my nigga's life. Yeah, y'all stood out. He might have been from like Brooklyn or some shit. Some shit, but it was in that, on that platform. Yeah, yeah. But he was in the city representing for the city, though. That was my first time ever smoking spice. I smoked spice with a blind kid who was freestyling.

Starting point is 00:11:38 That was, yeah, interesting experience. Yeah, man, that's spice like the way to go. Yeah, yeah, no. Shouts to smoking Tucci. That was some shit. But, and you definitely stood out, but I was like, I kind of like lost sight of you after that, but I always had back of my mind.

Starting point is 00:11:55 I was like, this Rum Nitty dude, I remember, like, posting about it, like, this dude fin to be some shit. And then when Fox hit me up and was, like, hit a mean aspect and was like Rom Nitty. And then, uh, then you did that battle. And yeah, we, so before you battled Danny Myers, which was your breakout performance, you did, on King of the Dot, you did the Conscious Pilot battle. Then you battled A.B. Huggish. And then we went to, um, New Mexico. And you battled RIP, Young v. Future. R-R-P, man, R-R-P on me, man. Yeah. And that's when, like, we became super cool.

Starting point is 00:12:29 Yeah, yeah, exactly. We was kicking it super tough. And then I was like, I really wanted to get you on. And it's dope to actually talk to you about this, because we already talked to Danny about the, you know, October 2013 Romney v. Danny Myers, which literally set off this entire generation of. Yeah. I don't even want to say West Coast battle rap. It's like this entire generation of battle rap, period. That was a real seminal moment.

Starting point is 00:12:56 Like, what did it feel? What did it feel like leading up to that battle? Because, like, Danny was commenting about how serious you were. Like, yo, don't touch my chain. Like, like... Man, I don't even know. I was just going through the motions to keep it real. Like, at that time, I still wasn't, like, fully on battle rap like that.

Starting point is 00:13:13 I'm still just kind of like, shit, if they win it. Yeah, I don't know where it's going. You know what I'm saying? At this time, I'm like, I'm like, when do we start getting paid, fool? I'm asking, niggas. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm in it for. Like, hey, when we start getting paid, fool, that, like, you ask fake.

Starting point is 00:13:26 Like, you got two hundred views, food like this. It's about fandom, man. Well, you got to tell some tickets and shit. I'm like, like, all, like, you feel like you all, like, you, I don't think like you're one of those guys that's only in it for the money. Like, I feel like, I feel like you would have never got it. The reason why I'm making this is not because of a personal, like, not because of anything I know about you personally, is because of how hard you focus on this craft.

Starting point is 00:13:47 And I'm just reacting, just grabbing that sentence, you said. I don't believe that that's who you are. Maybe that was who you are at the moment, because you would. was trying to get on, but I feel like you would have never got as crazy as you did with the pen if it was always just about that. You have to some degree an obsession with words. Yeah, I just tuck too much liking in the sport, period. I'm, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm good at this shit. And at the end of the day, my brand means a lot to me. Some niggas will go out there and put their brand on the line for a check. I'm not. I want my brand still held high.

Starting point is 00:14:18 I'm not going to go out there and, you know what I'm saying, and give a dud-ass performance. just to get a check, you feel me. So it's, you know, you got to find a comfortable, you know, in between, you don't mean, the meeting. That middle ground. You've been smart about your shit, too. But when I first started, I'm like, I don't know where it's going. You feel me?

Starting point is 00:14:35 Like I said, I try to trust it and put my money into it. So I'm like, all right, bet. That kind of backfired in my face. Now they're calling me back. All right, bet, I'm getting battles. So I'm like, all right, so when the money coming in, I'm just trying to see where my investment, you feel, it is going to kick in really to keep you real, you know what? But outside of that, I really wasn't sold on battle rap at that time.

Starting point is 00:14:53 I didn't think I was going to be I'm saying, you feel me? Until I ain't gonna lie, it was, it wasn't even the, what's it? Well, the next one after Danny was Tycoon Tax. That's the one to me, to me, and I'm not going to lie.

Starting point is 00:15:08 They hit me, organic heat me, was like, woody, what, man, I got to, how you feel about being on, what was it, world domination? World, yeah, yeah, I think it was blackout because wasn't it cold as fuck? It was like, it was cold as fuck.

Starting point is 00:15:19 I got off the plane and shorts. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never been nowhere type shit. I get off the plane like an Arizona, nigga. I'm shocked that. I don't know how we got you in the country, to be honest with you. No, shots out the organic for even booking you early.

Starting point is 00:15:32 It shouts out to this nigga and aspect. They paid for my plane ticket and a hotel. Me and an aspect. It was same shit. Because at this time, I'm still paying for my travels in my hotel room at this time. Every battle, you feel me? Up until this battle, when they hit me, I'm like, I can't afford that at the time.

Starting point is 00:15:48 I'm like, I can't afford that. I'm like, I can't afford a little, you feel? And I got to get a passport for the first time and shit. I got to do a lot of it. lot of shit. So when organic hit me, I remember hitting him back like a week later, like, damn, like y'all can help me on the ticket type shit, like go half type shit, cut and hit me back. So in my mind, I'm like scratch it. We're not going. This nigga hit me out of the blue. Like, hey, you're going to Canada, fool. We're going to get your ticket. I'm going to

Starting point is 00:16:09 let you down. I'm going to go crazy. No, yeah, off top. You know, I got you, bro. Yeah, he said, you're going to Canada fool. I'm back for real. I ain't bet. Yeah, no, aspect always believed in you. I always believed in you, you know, from day one. and you were, you exhibited an incredible amount of loyalty in a game where there's just like, where loyalty is super fleeting and it's a battle rap in an era where loyalty is super fucking wacky. Loyalty is, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:16:37 Backdow is the new shit, backdowing and all this snaking and sliming and schisty. Finescent, like, yeah. You feel me, that's the name, you know what I'm saying? Just like, yeah. That's the, that's the like the demeanor of a real nigga, snaky, sisty, shit like that. Yeah, that's what's considered cool.

Starting point is 00:16:52 loyalty you know what I'm saying holding it down you know what's saying like that's considered what's cool but you personify like that that old school like trillness that real loyalty especially in battle rap such a what what you've done from a lately culture you know what I mean like yeah exactly where my next bag at fuck who fuck who I've been with for these past several years what's what's up next and um you always just like stay ten toes I see the same people around you that always been around you always always it's it's it's It's dope. It's dope.

Starting point is 00:17:23 And I've always admired you quite a bit for that. And you went out to Canada. And what struck me about when you hopped on stage in Toronto, because they were like, rapper on my left, introduce myself. And you're like, well, motherfucking idiot. And like that whole crowd of like a thousand, you know, predominantly white people in Toronto going like, oh. I'm tripping like, do they know me or are they just? No, they.

Starting point is 00:17:47 I'm like, what the fuck going on? That must have. What did that feel like, bro? That shit tricked me out. It tricked me to fuck out. I ain't gonna lie. Like, at that time, like, you really didn't think people

Starting point is 00:17:55 know who you were? Nah. This is early, though. This is right after the Danny Meyer battle. Right after the Danny Meyer battle. And this is the biggest crowd I've been in front of at that time. Still probably one of the biggest crowds

Starting point is 00:18:05 I've ever been in front of, period. Because I was a big-ass, that was a big-ass crowd. I'm not going to cap. It's a big-ass crowd. And for motherfuckers to, like, just cheer when I came out. I'm like, okay, I bet.

Starting point is 00:18:17 Yeah, it was surreal at the time. I'm not going to lie. It was surreal. And then you, you know, you continue. you to have a crazy run on King of the Dot. You know, you battled who was it? You battled Arsenal.

Starting point is 00:18:29 Yeah, Ars. You battled... Was it? O Red. I think magic was probably the next one after the... Right. Yeah. But I... That's the first time getting paid, you feel me? Magic battle was crazy. First time getting paid. You know what I took my little $400. Come on. Come on.

Starting point is 00:18:45 You feel me. At that time, my nigga's glad you did it. I think it's good. I'm back in the city. That's what we've been for like $500,600 types of shit you feel me so i'm like they got this i won i won it i didn't even have to bet it i won i think it's good for like the newer the newer school to hear like how like even the top dogs that are getting paid right now because i think a lot of the like younger cats right now that haven't put in as much work they they try to compare how much they get paid to like the dudes that have been like doing this type of shit right and they go well why is he getting 20 30 and i'm only getting two

Starting point is 00:19:14 or 3 000 what they don't even understand is even that little money they're getting right now was a lot to us back then man like we the These motherfuckers starting off at 1,500, 1,500, 2,500. We never started off at that shit. We started off at dirt. By the time I got to 1,200, I'm, niggins, what? This shit is working. This shit really working.

Starting point is 00:19:35 And we really had to build it up, like, I'm pretty sure you were the same. You had to build it up, like, by, like, you had to go from, like, 1,000 to 2,500 to 5,000 to 10,000. So it's like a buildup thing. You don't just come into the office and be like, yo, this is what I think I should be getting because I feel like the other people are getting this much and I'm as good as the other people so I should, you know, if it's going to be opinionated like that, we ain't go have a real ranking and paying system

Starting point is 00:20:00 like everybody's going to feel like they top dollars. That's crazy, man, $400 and well worth it. I'm curious, when you was doing those bets back in the day, did any situations ever pop off? Because, like, who's the fuck? Who's judging these battles, first of all? A few situations. A few situations.

Starting point is 00:20:18 Oh, did you? Yeah, and even had to run to the trunk and all that. Oh, man. The niggas was mad. The niggas was mad because it was two battles. The first battle, we got mics handheld mics. First of all, as soon as I get on the stage, I'm like, what the fuck is this? He ain't on a handheld mic.

Starting point is 00:20:34 Big crowd? Whatever. Nah, it's like 30 people in this. Okay. As I start rapping, this nigga, the DJ drop a beat, fool? This nigga dropped like in the club 50 cents. I'm like, what the fuck? Nah, no, it's shit, I cappella.

Starting point is 00:20:50 Like, what? You know, I'm abe. Well, cut the beat off, so I start spitting my mom. around I get halfway through my round my fuck is like we can't hear you we can't hear you so I'm like I bet I'm running from the top I run it for the top dude time me when I get back to the same spot so I'm like what as soon as he time me I say bet off bet off bet off no bet niggie what's all me you can rap whatever with the wop he's like oh we got the argument I'm like bet off nigga there's no bet make I'm walking out with my money now right now I told cut give me my half right now

Starting point is 00:21:20 it's no it's on the flow right now yeah it's on the floor get you know what the fuck was turning up on niggas, getting my money, like out to a pocket. It ain't no bet if you just fin to cut me off, ooh, you feel me? So I got my bread, we dipped off. We rescheduled it. Rescheduled it. I won. As we walking out the building with the bread, we ended up like $200 this time,

Starting point is 00:21:38 so it was probably one from three to five type shit. So as we walking out, him and it's female and his people and shit, they like, woofie-bop, nigga, you know what I'm saying? You lost the first one type shit, you know what I'm saying? They're getting high power. They, ooh, he's like, what? His female is really the one that's popping, though. This nigga, this broke ass,

Starting point is 00:21:56 nigga, this broke ass, nigga. We, what? Hey, bro, get your, the female type shit. So as we walk into the car. Broke on it up right now. Yeah, so we're all walking, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:22:04 Mind you ain't nothing happening, so I don't mind incriminating nobody. So as we walk in to the car, we're like walking to the same area type shit. And as they, he had like a box of CDs or something shit. And one of his hummies like, yeah, who popped the trunk. What?

Starting point is 00:22:19 I look at the hum me like, we like three cars down. We instantly start running. They probably think we just running. No, we run into our shit. We pop. Come right back up. Now pop. Now you pop.

Starting point is 00:22:31 He's like, y'all, tripping. We putting clothes up or we putting CDs up. Nigger, that's why you said it like that, fool? Nah, nigger, that nigga popped you're not. You know, the back seat. Yeah, all right. But it wasn't on, you know, extra shit. Yeah, but he said it like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:22:47 You know what I said it. Like, you ain't fin to say pop the chunk if you're going to put no CDs up, fool? It's not what he said. It's not what he said. It's the way he said. He said it like real high. Pop the chunk like, what? So, yeah, I can imagine.

Starting point is 00:22:59 I mean, like, in a hood environment, people putting up dough, like, of course, slimy situations are going to occur. But then slimy situations also transpire on a larger scale around this time was the ether event. Disaster versus Cassidy. And that was, like, you would have been making, like, an incredible stride. him in like every battle it's like you're getting a bigger name right then you're on that ether stage obviously you know that there is a bunch of like what did it feel like at that event like you know we that was another that was another uh surreal moment ike a lot that's you know i'm saying to see cassidy impersonation at that time that she was crazy you feel me i don't know was that

Starting point is 00:23:44 i think that was the first time i said you performed live too i'm i'm gonna cap no because you know you was at the wasn't you at the um i can't remember him versus math That was after. Nah, that was him first math. Oh, no, I mean that math was before,

Starting point is 00:23:57 yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a summer leading up to it. He's right. Damn it. You know, I don't,

Starting point is 00:24:04 don't feel bad, man. It's a long time ago, dog. We're not talking about shit from two years ago. Just so I'm really know,

Starting point is 00:24:09 we're like recapping decades right now. We got a rich history out here. Yeah. It's my second home. Yeah. Off top. Yeah, but being in that,

Starting point is 00:24:18 uh, that was, that shit had, like, like, like, motherfucking bow. The balcony was

Starting point is 00:24:23 2,000 people up there type shit It was lit at that, man I seen Busy Bone in that motherfucker I walk up to bro like Introducing him like he said I know you are What? Like you know what I'm saying

Starting point is 00:24:34 That was the vibe from that shit Busybone is a real battle rap Yeah like that shit trick me out Yeah that shit trick me out You know what I'm saying And he's an incredible Freestyle in rapper period Was that one of the

Starting point is 00:24:45 The moments where you kind of felt like Damn like this battle rap thing is kind of Oh yeah at this time I'm like this shit working it's it working yeah there's a new level of sustainability this is what i want to know rum like what what is it that like your style is so like tailored to you and how you rap what even how did that even come about because at one point you didn't have that style right like so how did you snap into that like what how like did you have influences is it you because you seen shit like what

Starting point is 00:25:14 because everybody does right but i'm just saying you go listen to brother lynch that don't sound like brother lynch you feel me like but i mean no his the way the way he'd be saying gory shit and staring into the camera it's brother lynch okay yeah yeah yeah you really pay attention to rung he'd be saying yeah no bro he'd like be looking like a like that's what i was thinking when you said it too that's crazy but like because there's one point where you just snap the engine turn on you hit a light switch bruh and it was just like back to back and your writing just became crazy as fuck what even what was the catalyst to all that like what happened well i just think uh me being a student of the game you know what i'm saying i kind of feel like i was a late bloomer

Starting point is 00:25:53 you know what i'm saying and i'm an older nigga too you feel me you know what i kind of chill yeah take it easy bro i can sit back and and uh uh take uh criticism probably a little better than these younger cats you feel me i was reading comments you feel me i did a lot of shit i'm like okay so how can i level up you know what i'm saying i was a student of the game i wanted to get better just being a competitor Some niggas is content and they feel like they're the best already. I just felt like I could be the best.

Starting point is 00:26:21 I'm saying? I really felt like I could be the best. So I just, you know. Fuck that. How you come up with the line, grab the nose running. I'm coming down with something. Where did that bar come from?

Starting point is 00:26:32 I said this shit in plenty of interviews, man. You did? No, no. How I came up with it is I didn't think that bar was that crazy. Really? Yeah. It's just. I got the bar before that,

Starting point is 00:26:41 I spent like a week on it, motherfucker. Damn. I say the bar. What's that? What was the setup, though? What was the setup for? To the bar before that?

Starting point is 00:26:49 No, no, not. To the, he said he's sick or something? What was it? They say, uh, they say ill in the lobby. I grabbed, you know, I said, I was up in a hotel loading rounds for cousin. Big rounds I'm stuffing. Yeah, say ill in the lobby. I grabbed the nose running.

Starting point is 00:27:03 I'm coming down with something. The reason why that's so crazy is not just because it's the, it's the ill in the lobby, too, but it's also because it's a organic natural situation that happens, rum. where people be like, yo, the dude's in the lobby right now. It's something that happens in real life. People run downstairs to fuck people up. So that line is crazy. What I try not to do when I write is scenario reach.

Starting point is 00:27:28 Yeah, right. There's no scenario reach. They don't try to, like, they don't put that in the consideration. Scenario reach. Not just wordplay reach. Some people's scenarios are reaching. Like, I'll catch you in the, in the, in the fucking pharmacy, and something with an aisle of G.

Starting point is 00:27:44 It wouldn't have worked if I wouldn't have. In the pharmacy game? Right. Who gonna wait to catch a nigga in the pharmacy? That's the scenario reach. I'm waiting by the robotussing. I shoot a nigga on a shit. Yeah, the way that shit's perfect to say that.

Starting point is 00:27:56 Scenario reach. You're going to wait to catch me on a ship? Come on, bro. Scenario reach. So like when I be writing my shit, I'd be trying to make it make sense. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And you say phrases that battle rap took this weird turn where people were like,

Starting point is 00:28:12 for the sake of associative wordplay, saying things. That would not be regularly said in a human sentence. Exactly. Like the English language. I hate that shit. When I blamming burst blickies. Yeah, exactly. I clutching burst pipes.

Starting point is 00:28:28 Yo, conceded, man. Yo. Dog. There's two actions. It was two the same actions. I clutch and burst pipes. When I shoot and blam-blikis, shooting and glimbing is the same shit, fool.

Starting point is 00:28:42 It's like having two first names. When you hear that, you know a punch. is coming because you would have never regularly just regularly just said that. I agree with you. You know what punch is coming. You're teleporting yourself now. But you're giving it up. And you'll take certain things that are phrases which are commonly used like vigilante justice and be like you'll get that justice.

Starting point is 00:29:02 A vigilante and now you're like having a whole. That's that shit was such a crazy as bar. Again because people deal with vigils, people deal with RIPT. When someone dies, there's a weird scenario. You're going into a scenario to a scenario. You're going into a scenario. that's constantly happening and you're doing that like with the ill in the lobby shit there's even more to it that subconsciously fucks with the battler i think because we're always in the lot in the hotels

Starting point is 00:29:24 together so like we always have this image of all the battlers are pulling up to the hotel so you saying like ill in the lobby i'm imagining you guys all in the same card and you all you guys all pulled up and you're upstairs so the whole entire line from beginning to end is what makes it crazy because there's no that's how i judge bars dog i don't judge bars by the last fucking punch like if If the lead up to it. It set up means everything to me. The setup means everything. Same here, man.

Starting point is 00:29:47 We come from that cloth. Rum was literally trying to line up Will. Like, he was going to, like, he was going to line up. Like, the bars were just the whole scenario right now. Shout out. Shout out of the ill, will, though, man. Yeah, shouts to Hill, honey, hi me, come on. Definitely, ill, motherfucker.

Starting point is 00:30:02 You definitely have one of the most unique and now often imitated styles and all of battle rap. Right. And I think that it, like, you've always been you. If you go back and watch, like, I could watch vintage, nitty battles. Like I'm saying sand trap nitty, you know what I mean? Like you versus type Z era. And you still have this crazy shit.

Starting point is 00:30:22 I feel like you were damn years ahead of your time at a certain point. Like, you know, it was like you were using a style. Yeah, I felt like I always had the pen for it. I didn't know how to battle rap, put it like this. It was a big difference between, and it still is a big difference between rapping and battle rapping. Some people don't understand it. I didn't understand that.

Starting point is 00:30:40 I'm like, I rap good. I had lost people that, I lost the people that I, I'm still not understanding it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like Rex, I feel like I rap better than Rex, but he beat me on that stage the first time. So I'm like, damn, what's going on? How am I losing to these niggas?

Starting point is 00:30:52 And I've wrapped 10 times better than them. I'm like, I gotta learn how to battle rap. I gotta take my pauses and What year to do battle, Rex? What year to do battle, Rex? What year, me and Rex? Yeah. 2013?

Starting point is 00:31:06 The reason why you lost has nothing to do with anything but the fact that he's a more recognizable face. Yeah, and then I'm not gonna lie. Shout out to my nigga Daylight. had like a fucking hour conversation damn there after the right after the better and he was like bro you look like a contender up there you look he looked like the champion you'm saying type shit you from you got a damn there's walk around the stage like you wanted them to no i don't think you could have did anything about that because terex has time he has something that you can't buy off

Starting point is 00:31:32 just being dope i'm trying to explain something but look this though but look though would the young be the future do that day to magic you're right right correct and that shocked the world that shocked us. We like, hell not. This nigga not whooping on magic like that. Yeah. And he did because he was walking around that bitch like, I'm magic. He was walking around that bitch like I'm magic. Nicky, I'm the one, nigga. He had Nelly ready to fight in that motherfucker. What I'm

Starting point is 00:31:55 gleaming from this is that humility was a huge attribute of yours. It's not just like being humble has actually served you well because that's what made you realize like I need to improve. What could I do better? So you wouldn't have got to this level that you're at right now. Yeah, because I feel like

Starting point is 00:32:11 motherfuckers that's too confident too cocky and they said they feel like they already at the last level they feel like they can't get better I'm saying if you try to tell a cook hey that shit would be bombed if you add a little bit more he's like I got this right I'm just giving you insight my nigga you can be bad you know what I'm saying if you already feel like that you're never

Starting point is 00:32:27 gonna get better and that reminds me of you too you're like you're always doing shit too on like I've always looked at you as a very humble guy like you'd be leaving like goat symbols on my shit all the time and I always like think in my head like battle rappers don't do shit like that like they don't have the humility to do that and still feel like they're the shit.

Starting point is 00:32:44 You know what I mean? I know he does it because he's confident. You know what I mean? And like he shows love. And that's why I never have a problem telling people that this motherfucker is like literally outrightable. So he wasn't talking about, you can't outright him.

Starting point is 00:32:54 You can't outright him. You wasn't really trying to be slick and be like, yo, my man's heard's goats, right? That wasn't what that emotion. I don't know. I didn't have plenty.

Starting point is 00:33:04 That's the goat. Interviews when they ask for my top tens. And usually when people throw their top tens, they want to like break it down the sections, West Coast top 10 or the, you know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people don't put Thes and Deas in the same ones,

Starting point is 00:33:20 but they're definitely in the same ones. I don't, it's not a difference. You feel me? Like when I say a top five, he's in the same one with Moog and him. Do you feel like, if you look at battering down, he's in this one with Ilmac and Thesaurus. He's top five over here.

Starting point is 00:33:34 Right. And you know what I'm saying? And you know what I'm saying? Do you feel like, I've always said he was one of the girls. You're right. Who didn't battle in fucking football arenas in different languages, gang? That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:33:44 Do you feel like people kind of like, since they, a lot of other battle rappers know they can't accomplish what Diz has done. They kind of try to take him out of the conversation. Yeah, I mean, like, look, man, like Loaded Lucks once they asked him. Yeah, the same shit. Right. Yeah. DNA has accomplished. And they try to act like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:34:05 They try to overlook somebody's accomplishments. Heavily, man. Shots out the DNA, man. This shit is not going to be caught up to. Some of these accomplishments. aren't going to be caught up to. But we know the truth. Yeah, we know the truth.

Starting point is 00:34:13 D-N-A's like one of the most underrated. When I feel it like, I'm about it, it's one of them. And you know what? You are too. You're like at that level now. And I feel like one of the things that really catapulted you to the next level was, and you know, I've been working with you for years, booking you on all those King of the Dot battles,

Starting point is 00:34:31 pretty much every battle you did on King of the Dot, me and aspect for booking you. But I feel like you kind of reached a ceiling on King of the Dot. And it was like your growth was kind of limited at a certain point. You couldn't exceed beyond that. So when you went to URL and you did that Ave battle, I don't know if that was your first one. It might have been your second or third. No, that was my first battle.

Starting point is 00:34:55 Yeah. Because they came, I think the chess might have been my first one. But that was a different chess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was young chess. Young chess. Still crazy. But when you battled Ave and just the way that that crowd reacted,

Starting point is 00:35:09 to you. It kind of like gave you a whole second life in battle rap. Yeah, I feel like that was the, uh, my fault. It's all good. Still a lighter. I feel like that was like the Danny Myers battle all over again. Right. That's your, you're saying like it re- like rebirth me in this shit.

Starting point is 00:35:26 You've had a few of those moments. Like I almost dig it like stagnant. Right. Like he's hot, but. What do we do with him? Yeah, exactly. What I'm saying? I remember trying to get on URL and

Starting point is 00:35:36 Norbs talking about like we already got to be magic. Yeah. That's what he says to me. We already got to be magic. What the fuck that mean, nigga? And so I'm like, all right, I guess I'm a hot enough type of thing. That's such a Norg's thing to say. What are you doing, Doc?

Starting point is 00:35:50 Yeah. You fucked up, Dogo Berto. No, that's crazy. Shows and Norse. Your battle with I was fucking crazy. You guys are both insane lyricists. It really set off both of your trajectories. And you had a few of those moments, though.

Starting point is 00:36:04 Like, because after that, you started killing everything walking. You're damn near ascended to be. easily be one of the hottest people in URL most requested you have the intangible star power aspects to your you know repertoire that puts you in a different category and then you did the iron solomon battle crazy that's my favorite shit

Starting point is 00:36:25 that man i ain't go a lot that was just i don't even know how they happen i don't even like when they hit me with bro name i'm like i ain't solid i wouldn't think i don't know dizz what do you think about this because on paper i wouldn't choose to book that battle like no I know he was a legend. I disagree with that. In my mind, I'm just like, I disagree with that. Clearly I'm wrong.

Starting point is 00:36:46 But I'm saying I wouldn't have seen that. I would have because you're both incredible writers. It's like there's going to be a contrast and it's going to either be good or it's going to, it's going to be hit or miss, but it would still be worth putting it together because if they both come like they're supposed to, what happened was supposed to happen. Here's some crazy shit. I feel like you, I feel like you also, you, you, you, you, you, you. You want to battle me. We're going to battle. We're going to be in your going to be.

Starting point is 00:37:13 But the thing is, the thing is, when it really... Also, you want to battle me. Yeah, but like, it's a triangle. It's a triangle because, like, look... That's one of the ones that has to happen. But look, look, I'm explaining to you. Like, me and light. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:27 But hold on, hold on. It's like a triangle thing. The reason where it made sense to me was because of your battle with Solomon. Even besides the West Coast and Danny too, right? But like, even besides all that, because I really, look at the Solomon writing that he did, and I was talking about this earlier, I feel like it's what me and Solomon did and what Rum and Solomon did is such a complete, different elite level of writing from the rest of the battle rap that they both are so crazy that now you have to

Starting point is 00:37:59 complete the triangle because I battled Solomon, he battled Solomon. And I feel like if me and Rum battle, I think me and Solomon was first. But yeah, and then he battled him. But I feel like even though those were crazy as fuck, there's a chance, even though people don't probably see me and you meshing the same way on paper. There's a chance if me and you battle. It's going to be one of the grace. And it has to happen, obviously. I really do believe that.

Starting point is 00:38:27 It's one of those where to me you're a Mount Rushmore. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There's different Mount Rushmore's. There's different Mount Rushmore's, right? There's obviously one of all times since you haven't been there since the year two. 2000, we obviously are not going to put you in that. But the rushmore that starts in this era, bro, you're on there. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:38:48 So, like, it's beyond love. It's actually just stating facts. You know, I got to call it how it is all the time. The work you've put in and the level of, like, just quality of shit that you've brought to the table, you earn that. You know what I'm saying? And then the championship with Gucci, by the way, we definitely need to talk about that. I do want to know how you guys came to the conclusion of splitting the shit.

Starting point is 00:39:06 We'll talk about that, but that's funny. I want to know who's the first one again. came up with the idea. But that's actually another, you're talking about triangles. He battled Gichi and now you're battling Gichi. Yeah, it's like, rum is like, he's in a position where like we're pretty much battling everyone around each other. Y'all trajectories for sure has to lead.

Starting point is 00:39:24 You're a dangerous motherfucker, man. You would definitely be extremely hard to write for it. And I'm up for the challenge at some point. Yeah, that's why I'm liking that shit, though. You feel me? It puts me in a different realm. Like, I have to ante up to battle certain motherfuckers. Do you feel like he's more difficult to write for than Gichi?

Starting point is 00:39:43 Yes. Because, A, Gichi just, he has, I feel like rum doesn't give you as much as Gichi does. Like, Gichi gives a lot of ammo. Like, he's very transparent. He lives his life just out there open. Rum just comes, kills people, and disappears, kills people and disappears. He has like a, he's more of like a shadowy figure. That's what I fucking said.

Starting point is 00:40:05 He's a shadowy figure. Hey, I'm going to use that. Yeah, you're a scary guy, Rob. I still don't know who the fuck he is. That's my dog, too. Yo, it's because you got the proper battle etiquette. You do it the right way. I try to to a certain extent, you know, keep my shit as, you know, professional and just

Starting point is 00:40:22 limited as possible. But I give away, you're really good at that. And I feel like you don't really leave too much room for people to talk about shit. You don't get involved in crazy-ass shit online. Your name is not in those scandals, no weird-ass shit going on. You're never just doing random interviews blurting out shit. There's never anything to use. against you like that. So all those things make it difficult to battle you on top of the fact that

Starting point is 00:40:43 you're going to be punching every bar. You have in? The only thing that you do that you don't, the only thing you give people is bars like recently you did a um you spit a verse in your car and you pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like you were supposed to be originally on the URL Nome card and yeah, yeah, man. What the fuck happened, bro? Well, you're dissing everyone. I don't know. Man, it was I had a few names on deck. You know, and then, you know, motherfuckers start picking up they find the shit, dog. Are people scared to battle you?

Starting point is 00:41:16 I'll be feeling like it, you know what I'm saying? I'll be feeling like it to keep it real because I'd have shit lined up with a certain opponent and then, you know, get back. Motherfuckers say, oh, they say they need more time or whoopie-wop like that or shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers just back out and I'm out on the court. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:34 About ten times. Hold on. Damn. Is this the reason we haven't been seen? you as much on cards yeah definitely damn yeah i was supposed to be on kings the queen so you got like an active thing going like how active people just don't be showing up to battle i can't say every card but i'm definitely supposed to be on about five cards this year what's your most recent battle young gattis okay yeah the drake card no not the romey mons yeah the romey mott shouts out the

Starting point is 00:42:03 remi mott and shouts out the rome 23 credible rappers and human beings period Chrome 23 is popping We love the shit that they're doing That's crazy that you went on there For that big event, man You were wearing a suit, weren't you? In the promo Yeah, that shit was fire

Starting point is 00:42:23 Yeah, man Remy changed in the game With her approach to the shit Yeah, she got a different approach Like real talk I've gone on record saying this a couple times I'll say it again My favorite ad campaigns

Starting point is 00:42:33 In battle rap history are Are Remy's? Yeah, from the She's really good She had to set it off Bank robbery one Then she had the All of y'all

Starting point is 00:42:40 in the, you feel me, mafia and Mrs. Smith shit. Yeah. That shit is genius. Yeah, her approach is different. Her approach is different. It's very cinematic. You know, like,

Starting point is 00:42:51 We gotta do some shit with her soon, man. Shows up there. Yeah, Chrome 23 GTX. And speaking of GTX Collabs, I want to talk about Westworld, your new venture. And we should have the homie

Starting point is 00:43:04 G. Will pop up, too. Maybe if we get a mic set up for the homie. You battle for 100K. You know what I mean? It wound up being $150K. At the last minute, Drake put up more money. When did, like, what was that experience like being in that tournament with such high stakes? It's definitely an experience.

Starting point is 00:43:24 I ain't quite a lot. But I felt like going in it with it being two-week prep, I got an advantage of my fuck. It's like I could load up pretty quick. You feel me? I felt the same about broke. I kind of felt like it was almost, I don't know how we came up with it. We was both with it. like, nigga, we're gonna make it to these finals,

Starting point is 00:43:44 split this bread type shit. But it wasn't, but it wasn't 50-50. We were saying shit like, nigga, our winner probably get, you know, 70. 60-40, yeah. 60-40, yeah. 60-40, that's what I was going to say. 60-40 sounds fair, though.

Starting point is 00:43:59 And then when we kept hearing, you know, through the grapevine motherfuckers was throwing extra bread and shit. Also, you already knew the extra bread was coming before the event. I guess was throwing hints, you feel me? I'm like, it got to be. extra bread bro you know I'm saying no fuck it's ain't hitting our phone all excited

Starting point is 00:44:16 you know saying he's like because niggins are telling us hey come battle day we got it like a surprise for y'all right they gotta be extra bed bro got to be extra bread so I don't know I think by time I got up to Cortez I don't know that might have been after or before but I hit bro I was just said bro let's just go 50 50 50 let's just go 50 bro I'm cool with you you feel me and he's like so is your idea for the actual 50 50 Yeah. The way it worked out is was crazy because since the extra 50 came on top, the 50-50 thing became just $25,000 less that you would have won if you taken the risk. And it's like, it's, after taxes, after taxes, you get 100.

Starting point is 00:45:00 After taxes, you're probably going to have around 75. Right. Right. Me not being greedy and still getting Sanity five. Yeah. It's the same thing. That's kind of like a universal. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:09 I like that. That's what's up. it's what God wanted that's fire that's yeah that's super ill hold on hold on what you spend the money on right away

Starting point is 00:45:18 what's the first thing you spend what's the first thing you drop on like right when you cash the check what did besides taking care of shit like what did you do for rum yeah yeah what did you do for rum besides taking care of all the bills and the family shit

Starting point is 00:45:31 the bill in Siaga's that shit you started popping up with yeah all right I got to this shit still took a minute though I ain't go out. This ain't even, I ain't go a lot. This came from the Rex money. And that shit ain't scared.

Starting point is 00:45:45 That shit ain't scared of no diamond tester either. Yeah, no. That's Rex money. Drake threw a card. He threw a birthday card right after the tournament. Right. And he put me on against Rex. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:59 He threw another bag. Oh my shit. He put money on my books too. Shout to him and lush, man. Come on. Come on. You know what the fuck going on. Got you.

Starting point is 00:46:08 Got you. Gee wheeze. My bad, I got you next time, bro. No, no next time. Ain't no next time. Jaype don't work like that. And this is a motherfucket up. What if Jay Pay had like a certain service?

Starting point is 00:46:20 Like, you know this motherfucker's going to go back. He put an advance pay out as Jay Pay. He's out in the streets, but he's fin-in. I know this boy. He's going to get nothing to go back. You feel he burnt as hell. He's going to go inside again. But, no, it's all of his head.

Starting point is 00:46:37 But yeah, Rum, you also make a lot of music. You've been making bangers for years. Well, was the one joint, like back in the day, Nino Brown, is that what it was called? Oh, yeah, I think a Bino Brown. Yeah, yeah. And that was like eight years ago. And you was like...

Starting point is 00:46:54 It was me trying to get off my Migo shit. You feel, be trying to find my sounds. But ever since, like, all your music has been going crazy. And... No let-up dot shop. You can go get the mixtape or the EP right now. go get the merch, you feel me. I got an EPR right now, and I ain't bangers.

Starting point is 00:47:11 Cop that, call that. You know, that's my favorite. I love that slide with the cribs. And you had, you guys are sick together. You have smack with the blue rat. You got a beat on there, too. I'm saying. But you also, like,

Starting point is 00:47:26 was there any talk with Drake? Was there any talk with Drake? Like, yo, you just gave me 75 bands. What's up with the collaboration? Yeah, man. That's what the, I hit. Uh, uh, daddy, I said, brother, let's go in on a feature,

Starting point is 00:47:41 digger. We're super pitched at the car. He didn't even hit back, you know what I'm saying? We still try to get that pegging. Yeah. Yeah, I was on the same thing with Rem, when she sent my deposit back. You know, you can keep having this and just send me a versy.

Starting point is 00:47:53 That's smart business, so I like that. I'm encouraging. I'm encouraging. I'm encouraging both of y'all, Remy, Drake. How about diverse, bang, man. Come on, man, that'd blow the shit up. That'd blow battle wrap up, not just rub.

Starting point is 00:48:06 Yeah, ah, yeah, because, you know, I'm coming, you know, I'm coming right back to the culture. And you coming with bars on the song, we already know how it is. Drake, I'm coming right back to the country. Drake, since you said you, the light skin, you is recommending. Or the dark skin, I don't know what skin, you feel me, version of you. Yo, my dick, a lush, light skin. Come on, come on.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Hop on the joint with my man's in him, because that's your. Yeah, we got some bang. Show some love, man. Real, for real. And we got G. Will, an important luminary, a young, go-go. Getter who's been making a huge name in the battle rap scene. Soon to be on GTX.

Starting point is 00:48:42 Soon to be on. Appreciate it, man. Shout to everybody. Crack City, man. Come on, man. You feel me, squat? Crack City. So what's the origins of this new venture Westworld, which is essentially, you know,

Starting point is 00:48:54 y'all are a satellite version. Y'all are your own entity, but y'all are affiliated with GTX and is definitely a pathway for people to get onto GTX. We've already seen it happen. I do this honestly because I do it for the culture. I love the culture. I was even doing it with West Coast of Leach behind the background. Not the business of Barfess before, but I had a lot of action with, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:49:19 Getting Nitty down here with that last one, man. So I always wanted to do the league stuff. But when I came home, I just wanted to be trying to put on for the West and the culture. A lot of the way. People be thinking like, oh, it's just Westward. They're talking about Cali. No, I'm talking about the whole West, Northwest. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:49:34 Midwest. You want to come down and get it cracky, man. We're trying to see it. I'm trying to see new talent. We're going to put on, you know what I'm saying? Y'all see them? Y'all want to pick them up? It is what it is.

Starting point is 00:49:43 Man. That's really my motivation behind it. We're arguing with that. You know, seeing some of these emcees get some shine. You know what I'm saying? A lot of these niggas don't really have the platforms that some of us got, you know what I'm saying? And with me having a little bit of a name, I feel like I can easily or make it a little easier for them to get some attention on some of these. dope-ass emcees coming out our area, you know what's it feel like for Romitie to transition

Starting point is 00:50:11 from being, you're a dude that's been in the field in the trenches of battle rap this whole time, and now you're stepping into an executive space. It took them a minute. Yeah, like, yeah, shit. Was that process, is that kind of like a weird transition for you? Is it uncomfortable or do you like it? It's not uncomfortable, it's not weird. It's different, I can say that, but it's motivating, you feel me?

Starting point is 00:50:32 because like what what MC don't want to or what what NBA player don't want to coach afterwards. Femi type shit to still be a part of the culture, still put on for the culture, you know what I feel me? So I feel like that still puts me in a prominent position to still be one of them. Right. Now obviously. But not to cut you off. When they say battle rap history, when they say top 10 or whatever it is, when they put battle rap names, you're going to be in there.

Starting point is 00:50:57 God willing. Smack going to be in there without rapping. God willing. You feel me? so I feel like I still want to be a part of the culture, still put on for the culture, you feel me? So that's the... Hold on, not to cut you off, too,

Starting point is 00:51:08 but, you know, that's part of... I feel like you're on the right track, actually. The timing of his transition is absolutely where it's supposed to be, because as battle rappers, when we go on our runs and we build our legacy and we build our brand, there's no time for him to be able to sit down and actually take care of people and care about others, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:51:29 Shit down. His age... where he's at and his experience is the exact time. Is the exact time it happened to me. Is the exact time it happened to countless others. And it's the time where you have built your brand. You have built your experience in the shit. And now you have time.

Starting point is 00:51:44 He could pace himself between battles. Rum, don't got to accept the battle every month. But back then he had to. So he could feed himself, A, and B, to keep his buzz going. So he's one of those guys. The timing is perfect. And I think you making that transition at this timing

Starting point is 00:51:58 shows that you're straight on the right path and your heart's in the right spot, you know what I'm saying? That's very smart moves. Very good for the cloth, man, and we really appreciate that. We're rocking with you guys. My brother, man. My brother, really, is, you know, the spark behind it. I ain't going to lie.

Starting point is 00:52:11 And I know that y'all are like cousins, you feel me, for lack of a better. You feel me, like, right. But specifically, like, Will, like, you talk about he's at the right age to make that decision. Will is, you know, 13 years younger. Right. Probably tripping me. Already making that decision.

Starting point is 00:52:31 But that's what's good is because you got to have someone like him in his corner and because he can't stay forever. So as time moves on, he's going to take his position. This is perfect. This is real protegey shit. This is real where you know that the shit's in good hands. It's not just one way because we both protege. And that's whatever the dynamic is I understand that you learn from each other.

Starting point is 00:52:54 But I'm saying, though, this is the right way it's supposed to happen. age and offspring wise because you know it's going to be in good hands. It's not going to be, all right, well, I'm about it here. And you know, whoever comes in here, you know, I hope he's good with it. You know that you've already built the person that's next to you, so nobody else is going to be qualified enough to do it. So you secure in your future and our future. Well, it's for the West for show.

Starting point is 00:53:20 Yeah, that's what I mean by our. Right. And the thing about Will, I see a lot of myself in Will as well because like- Yeah, you guys look exactly a lot. Yeah, you know, a lot of people say that, as a matter of fact, he took my hairstyle and I've been running with them since. I tried to give him some. He didn't want to love, man. I tried to give him some, man.

Starting point is 00:53:42 I try to give him some, man. Yeah, come on. No, but I see a lot of myself in the aspect of you're a talented rapper. Oh, I appreciate it. You're still like, you know, you had a crazy buzz before you went in last time. Like, you know, like people were like one of the most sought after battlers of, this. this entire class in the West Coast and beyond. And you decided, shit, what can I do on an executive level

Starting point is 00:54:05 way earlier than you had to? Like, I'm gonna keep it real though, too. Like, it was at a moment too. Like, around that rookie year at the end of it, I was stressed out, you feel me? So like, I started choking a little bit and stuff like that, but my mental health was crazy at that time, you feel me?

Starting point is 00:54:23 To the point, that's one of the reason why I started trying to do events, you could ask Nidio. It was like, chill. Nitty, like, nah, you gotta keep going. K.

Starting point is 00:54:31 K.O. K.O. came out. Shout out to K.O. The one that really woke me back up. Start talking this shit. You went crazy against next.

Starting point is 00:54:36 Oh, I'm a woo. Oh, where else had me getting 30? Shit, that shit, that shit woke me up. I'm ready.

Starting point is 00:54:40 I'm going back then. Then I caught that damn that charge. Yeah. So I'm in my mind, I'm just like, I got to battle him and go to jail.

Starting point is 00:54:49 So that fucked with me more than anything. I 30ed them and then I had to go to jail. Yeah. And I'm like, They gave you extra time for 30ing him, actually. They gave me a 55-day grace.

Starting point is 00:55:01 Like, I've been to prison three times, man. That was my third time. But I never had to turn myself in. That was the most hardest thing in my life. So he got you 55 days. So, like, my brother dropped me off, my brother NC, dropped me off with my cousin, man. I was walking through that hallway.

Starting point is 00:55:15 Like, I'm going to get on. Like, fuck that. What the fuck. I just, shit. I'm back, though, now. So, fuck it. It was good. We're about to get credit.

Starting point is 00:55:23 Let me ask you. What's changed with your mentality? Because you seem like you have a different energy about you. You ain't trying to be involved in that shit that's going to send you back. I can't be involved with some shit that's going to leave me in the same place. I got to bring around people that's doing business decisions if I want to make business decisions. Now, if I'm sitting around with the homies on the block all day, which I could. Sometimes don't get twisted.

Starting point is 00:55:46 I still pop out, but I don't pop out like how I used to. Right. You got a disson. It's not making me no money. No, I'm out the way. I'm over here with this dude. He's like, yeah, woo-thew, I'm trying to do this. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:55:56 $15,000 little fun and something. Shit, I'm trying to hit him. What the fuck? Let me hear about it. Not about, hey, woo-ty-woo, over there tripping and shit. I want to slide on me and shit, man. I've been there and done that. Like, the fuck, man.

Starting point is 00:56:07 Let's get this bread. That's, like, the mentality of it. It was like, either you want to keep going back or it's over with it. That was my third time. You feel me? They'd be saying third time's a charm, man. So it's like, hold on. I want to keep doing this shit forever.

Starting point is 00:56:18 I'm going back and then I'm going to just be a lost motherfucker A nigga, but gee Will was fired man But that thing ain't rapping like two years Is there now because of I'm going to ask both y'all this In Long Beach and in Phoenix Is since y'all have been doing y'all thing Do you feel like there's a whole bunch more people now

Starting point is 00:56:38 That are trying to pursue the battle rap outlet? I got a few in my area that's trying to get it You feel like that you and not to say it like in a Like cocky, like, yeah, I inspired that shit. But it's just like a reality. Like, you make a name, especially like the name you made in Phoenix and beyond. The way you've carried the torch for this city, like, do motherfuckers be like, damn, now I, now, if this dude can do it, shit, that inspires me. Yeah, definitely.

Starting point is 00:57:06 You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And that motivates me to keep going type shit, especially when they keep it real and say it. Yeah, nigga, I'm right because you type shit. You're like, yeah, yeah, that's love. It'd be kind of like a little harder on me. You know what I'm saying? We don't really have many battle rappers from Long Beach.

Starting point is 00:57:22 You get what I'm saying? So when I be like, man, you got to leave. Oh, you got to hold this torch down, man. You got to do this, man. You got to do this, though. Shout out of cricket. All right, man. Y'all about the hell you're crazy one, though.

Starting point is 00:57:31 And that's the thing, though. Long Beach has a crazy lineage. It's one of the most important cities in hip-hop ever, you know. Phoenix, like, you might be considered one of the top rappers ever from your city. Am I tripping to say that, or? No. No. This is a question.

Starting point is 00:57:48 This is a question of G. Will, because you were talking about like how either I go back to jail or I come back and I make money and like, do you feel like battle rap itself provides some kind? Because I want to segue into something else really small before we continue. But do you feel like battle rap in a way the platform itself and just getting enveloped in it and lost in this moving thing that's growing? Does that give you hope and motivation to stay away from shit? Does battle rap... Yes. And yeah, all right. I'm going to keep it real.

Starting point is 00:58:23 Honestly, I want to hear this. Like, 2019, I was already watching battles and all that stuff. I've been on Nitty, man, my cousin, my cousin, Uncally Boy grew up with Nitty. When he moved out of there, you feel me, you know what I'm saying? He ready gave me the game, you feel me? So he was always trying to put me in with Nitty, though. I just remember I went to the PG. You remember the J-N-K battle?

Starting point is 00:58:43 My first PG ever going to. I was there. I was with Jossi, my cousin Jossi. I'm like, hey, I want to do this. Like, I want to do it.

Starting point is 00:58:50 Like, if you do it, I get you. Like, woo, I already knew Nino. I told Nino, like I'm going to set it up. Shout out to my dog, Nino.

Starting point is 00:58:56 Primo set it up. Prino got it set up. Have me battle somebody from Nile. Man, they brought me in. Like, honest truth, I can be like,

Starting point is 00:59:02 I don't know what the fuck I'll be at if I didn't start about rapping. That's amazing. I swear to God, like, I don't know. Like, that shit saved my life. You was like not even 20 at the time, huh?

Starting point is 00:59:11 What? Yeah. I'm older, but shit. Yeah. All right. And this is the tiny little segue I wanted to go into. And it's for everybody watching and for the people that think that what we do is necessarily like a negative thing. And all we do is, you know, threatening to kill each other.

Starting point is 00:59:30 And we talk about all this fucked up shit all day. And they put batter wrap under this crazy light. You see a lot of people now that it's growing that don't, are not really familiar with how much of a performance arts and cultural rooted thing it is, I want them to see that this platform does really provide hope. You know what I'm saying? It is a positive thing. It feeds families. You know what I'm saying? And it keeps people off the street. And in my belief, it keeps people out of jail now. And at this point, I believe it keeps people out of jail. It keeps people out of harm's way. You know what I'm saying? Because if you stay busy doing this shit, you might not get caught up like you said, hanging around like

Starting point is 01:00:04 you used to. So I feel like this platform is a real educational thing. It's something. It's something that should damn near be sanctioned by the city and they should give us like benefits and pay us for these fucking events because we take care of people. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. That's a fact though. What would you be doing if it wasn't from battle rap? Battle rap changed my life and hip hop itself.

Starting point is 01:00:22 Like I wouldn't, I really didn't have anything. It was my way out, you know what I'm saying? Because I was such a fucked up kid when it came to school and fitting in and from the world that I come from, everybody was becoming an engineer and a doctor and you had to figure that out. And for me, I was just obsessed with hip hop and my obsession with hip hop led me to be just following this path that took me out of the fucking conventional path that every kid was taking. And I ended up for a small period of time broke with nothing.

Starting point is 01:00:50 And my parents didn't approve of what I did because I wasn't, you know what I'm saying? I was doing my own shit and I was heading in this weird direction. But look how through battle rap I have now like created my own lane. And now I can walk like the same people in my family from back in a day that used to be like, yo, what are you doing with yourself? like this ain't really a thing like battle rap is not a real career like you really need to do something now come around or like yo my kids want to take a picture with you so it's like really different and and i and i know for me like if i didn't have battle rap i wouldn't be doing

Starting point is 01:01:22 shit dog like i really wouldn't because i can't see myself doing the nine and five thing that's when you stopped working like in 2007 when i went to the double the world rap championship that's when you tell them though did you got to tell them oh fuck your kids We're not taking a picture with your damn kids They're my family members, Lest. But yeah I think Y'all wouldn't want to meet me

Starting point is 01:01:46 if it wasn't for battle rap Y'all would not have wanted to encounter me. Like, it'd be all bad. I think everybody's sitting at this, everybody sitting at this table we know. Has that in common.

Starting point is 01:01:58 We all got that in common. I think what he said for me is really big because that's what hip hop is supposed to be. be perpetuating this shit and people dying in it. Like we don't we don't have people dying Oding from drugs. We don't promote sipping lean all day. Like you can't do that in a battle.

Starting point is 01:02:16 You can't, you know what I'm saying? That person, if a person is somebody who like is that like pill popper, you know what I'm saying, they influence other rappers to pill pop and you see kids die. If that person was in battle rap, they get ripped in every single battle so much that people see it like not a cool thing. No more. what it should be because you never see it in that context wouldn't be cool in that context right you don't see it in that context you see a motherfucket pills with bitches and all that shit you know and another

Starting point is 01:02:44 respect women and all that but you know these people can still perform off these drugs right what we do you can't come into you guys sorry than a mother like you know hip hop yeah with the influence on it because they see you turn here with me I'm talking about the emcees like rappers they can perform off the drugs a batter rapper can't do that you You know right. Right. If I can clear mind.

Starting point is 01:03:06 Oh, you do drugs and go in the ring, you're out of here. I think the only person that's done that is what I'm saying. Dirt back, damn, man. Shouts out the Dirtbag, damn. Man, he, like, done acid or shroomed in a battle or some shit. He did a whole battle like fucked up off some hallucin. But I don't know how somebody could do that. I was known as the wavy guy in Battlebra.

Starting point is 01:03:27 I was off the shits for the majority of my career. And it wasn't until. Yeah, less used to be. Oh, what? On 12, on 15. But then the amount of respect I get from people just as a human being. And all the bullshit that came with being me just got like instantly evaporated when I got clean. And like all that shit has been.

Starting point is 01:03:53 So people take me more seriously just as a businessman, as a human being, all the above. So like, yeah. Within this space, being clearheaded is. more celebrated than in overall hip hop culture and just the streets in general. It's the new wave. You know how there was a wave for a while to get fucked up? The wave right now

Starting point is 01:04:14 is to work out, be healthy, drink fucking water and eat fucking good shit. That's the wave, man. That's the new wave. You got to be like that right now. Because, you know, people, you know, we losing way too many people to this whole narrative and just like you losing the plot.

Starting point is 01:04:30 Like, we really in battle rap, still focused on the bars, like every time. We ain't never going to lose sight of that. You know what I mean? Bars over bars. Bars over bars. And people down at these young ages, it's crazy. It's not cool.

Starting point is 01:04:42 It's not. I mean, somebody got to say something. I know it's an uncomfortable topic, but it's like, damn, it's like what we do over here in our shit, like, at least we hold shit accountable. Like, you come to battle rap. You can't have, like, shit like that going on in your life and think that you was, you're going to get over on people who don't. Like, you're going to have to face that.

Starting point is 01:05:01 You're going to have to show how to stand up in the real world. rap so the opposite of that that even if people have an inkling if they think that you're I remember full stop that Jay C was smoking crack when he he wasn't you feel me but he had some he had some interviews that made him look a little crazy or whatever because he might have been drunk people were like yeah and they're like oh J.C. smoking crack. Shout out the J.C. man. Yeah, Showson. Yeah, Showson J.C.

Starting point is 01:05:28 The man. 120 KJ.C. You feel me. Come on. Just anyone even. God, congratulations, too. That you're doing some shit. There's going to be crazy rumors and conversations around it.

Starting point is 01:05:41 That's facts. So what we got? We go into Phoenix for a Westworld event, and that's next, right? What's the date on that? The 30th this month. July 30th. Okay. So, like, I did this one.

Starting point is 01:05:54 I made the earn your keep for, like, you know what I'm saying, the uppercummers, you know, talent, people from all around. If you got some people that want to come up and give them a shot, you feel me? so they can go on those big other cars that we do have for West Side of or try to get on one of y'all, so that's why I came up with this one. But it's going to be names on here too, though, but I wanted to do something different. You feel me?

Starting point is 01:06:16 I'm like, man, that's my boy. You run the league with me and shit. Like, let's take it around real quick. Right, man. So who is it exactly that's running the whole league? Is y'all the two main figures and then who else? It's us, too, and then we got yak and Dan. Dev the Demon, Yack the Ripper.

Starting point is 01:06:29 And Shal Nino. Philosophy. Nino. That's a great... I got a lineup. That's all really important figureheads in the West Coast. Shout out to them. I can't lie.

Starting point is 01:06:42 If it wasn't for them, I would. I couldn't get that last one without them. So shout out to the team. So, and y'all working directly with GTX. Shout out to y'all, too. Let's type in with me. Talk to this, man. Shout out to y'all, too, though.

Starting point is 01:06:55 So I love. And y'all came out the gate. Y'all made a really big impact with the first card that y'all had. the justice was it justice versus next oh gris it was gris versus justice and who did next battle who battle hansel versus next oh yeah next gris versus justice and then the

Starting point is 01:07:14 real name brandon verse saint three real crazy crazy battle yeah sure i'm sorry to hansel because hansel did his thing though originally hansel was going to battle royalty royalty of the wedding to go to you know what I'm saying they'll get that back and then the ratchet versus billy boondocks too Billy Boone, man That's my dog Hey, show up

Starting point is 01:07:33 Oh, He went crazy too He went crazy In that first room We went crazy We don't give Billy something Soon but I'm gonna get him on GTIA I think Billy had to borrow the event

Starting point is 01:07:43 I'm definitely You're gonna talk on GTIX You come into GTIA He said something Something cutting through the gas station Is how I How I said Something cutting through the gas station

Starting point is 01:07:53 It's how I go through red lights And stuff We don't stop Yeah yeah yeah I'm like Yeah That shit was so hard. I said that shit, diggy.

Starting point is 01:08:00 That's some, like, the sections of ballet-type material. You ain't go sit at this motherfucket like two motherfuck and get picked off. I'm going to go through this gas station real quick. Every day. Got to respect it. You got to respect. Some of these battles I already had, like, already had in mines since prison. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:08:14 Like, Stuia Drix, I already had in mine before I even went in. Now was another one, Stu. Yeah, because I was just wanted to, I was a big fan of Drix. And we've seen how Drix just sat back after his name started going crazy. That's why I wanted to get Drix back in, you know, you know what I'm saying. though. He's going to be back on another one, man. Shout out of Stewie, man. I just feel like he just had to shake the rust off, though. But I feel like Dricks will come back and go crazy, though. And that creates, like, it's good that people see because from those battles,

Starting point is 01:08:41 there's been, you know, we got multiple upcoming GTX events with these dudes that are going to be populating those cards that performed well on Westworld. We ain't going to say who, you feel me? We ain't going to say who, but it's already official. I like the name of it. Westworld. world is dope yeah like that yeah it's dope how do y'all come up with that man it's it's hard to come up oh oh oh yeah it's so funny I just came up we got a master word like I was just thinking of it one day oh you came up with it yeah I would say I'll give I'll give it some with yak too you figure this master of words over here with the fucking came up with it because as hard as it is to come up with it but yeah I'm not

Starting point is 01:09:22 surprised you did you know ring to it west world now I just got a text from the homie, Beast Gatlin. He just hit me up and he was like, if it's not too late, that certificate, man. Ask Rung about the song. What's the Beast Gatlin Rums collabo that you all got? What's the deal with that? The, you ain't fin to stop me?

Starting point is 01:09:46 You ain't feeling to stop me making dough. Yeah, that's shit horror. Yeah, but we just drop a motherfucker video to that motherfucker. Okay, shouts to Beesgatlin, man. Go get my nigga project, man. That shit all right now. You got some sloppers on that, man.

Starting point is 01:09:57 I'm waiting, you did a song of shit for me, this shit, and I'm waiting to get on this remix, my nigga. Quit playing, man. He's not playing, man. With that being said, any final words for the people for his kind of. Active on that, motherfucker. Did a, uh, me, he do.

Starting point is 01:10:11 He got a, he got a, yeah. That shit's so hard. He do got one more. Yeah, he got, yeah, that shit so hard. These music crazy that she never say no, that's crazy too. Like, all this. I don't have heard them.

Starting point is 01:10:22 He heard a lot of his shit, though. I heard a lot of shit. They need to do a video to what. Him and clutch, all their joints, Yeah, a class go horror too, though. I'm a clutch, man. I don't got one with bro. Wait a lot.

Starting point is 01:10:32 Wait a y'all hear that new, uh, blush one. Hold on before we go, one more thing, man. Who's on your list, man? What you're trying to do, man? Besides this? He said, besides wanting to kill my ass. Uh, man. Uh, man.

Starting point is 01:10:45 He won't Elmack to come outside, man. You know what's crazy? A fan just asked about Ilmac on Twitter the other day. And I said that a long time ago. You can run that. Hell yeah. Hellback, that's a legend, especially on the West. Content-wise, that's another one like Iron Solomon, to be honest.

Starting point is 01:11:03 That made more sense to me in the Solomon. I'm 5-6. It does, it's like Iron Solomon type of federal. I'm 5-8, I'm 5-9. He's about 5.4. You tower over him. No, no. He's one of the very few people that can hang with your pet, bro.

Starting point is 01:11:17 Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to say that about anybody. He got some ink. He got some ink. Yeah, like it's hard to say that about just anybody hanging with you. Like, that's just... Yeah, he's one of the guys that I could see y'all having a good battle, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:11:33 But as far as my list, um, conceded. We always... I mean, that one, that needs to happen. U.R. should have been set that up. U.R. should have been set that up. For the culture, like, you know what I'm saying? Love to see that. I did want the Cassidy battle, you know what I'm saying,

Starting point is 01:11:52 when the narrative of him being a punchline... Wasn't that set up at one point? Kind of, yeah, kind of not really. I'm saying. Better off without the headache. But like, yeah, no, you versus, you versus Ilmac kind of just fucking struck a chord. That would be crazy. Because I feel like you're not just, and people put you in this puncher category,

Starting point is 01:12:15 but you're just a writer in general. You're a pain. Yeah, I can definitely. The conceited thing should have happened on URL. Caffeine should have set that up. Y'all should have got, because you're the only people that could, like, really, like, put that together. It's more of a URL battle, you know what? What you do with punches is different, bro.

Starting point is 01:12:29 Like that's why I don't put you in the same even though like obviously you and Ab that's like a punch war and shit like in Right right right right you more than that that's why I feel like being motherfuckers like this being people like that's what I'm saying Solomon it opens people's ear like damn he do got a pen right you what I'm saying and right and I'm right and get some motherfucker like this I'm gonna have to you know saying Like show that you know what I'm saying you feel like people have tried to put you in that puncher box to a degree Hell yeah. But I feel like my core fans, you know, you know what I'm saying? The ones that listen, they're like, nigga. He's scheming.

Starting point is 01:13:04 You're doing a little shit, you know what I'm saying? All kind of other shit. It's just my punches outweigh a lot of the other shit I do. But now that I know that there's this horror core brother Lynch influence, that's why it's always back to the... He's a grim reaper. Yeah, he's dropping bodies, a lot of them. But it makes sense now.

Starting point is 01:13:23 Like, that's a cool piece of the puzzle to have. I'm glad that you shared that. Have you ever said that before in the interview? I might have. I might have. But it was crazy as when my fuckers at, when I say that, my fuckers probably don't even know who that is type shit.

Starting point is 01:13:38 Right. It's more wise. You son, we don't be jacking that shit. You don't fake high key jacking that, son. Yeah, same. I got a question for you, even though you're my bro, man. Let's go.

Starting point is 01:13:54 I mean, he brought you up a few times, man. Would you come out? side from my boy, Saint. Oh, yes, you know, I would have no smoke. Come on. Roe versus St. St. St. St. Ad. St. That would put St. on, man.

Starting point is 01:14:03 A battle like that would be really good. Yeah, I would definitely hop off the porch and get in the backyard, because of your backyard or whatever. So you're not ducking smoke, clearly. Nah, man. Especially if it kind of goes back to the other way around. Saying about me wanting to, you know, put on for the, for the new generation and all that,

Starting point is 01:14:23 that me giving shots is still doing that. You feel me? wouldn't have got where I was if motherfucking like magic and then was like, nah hell no I'm not about battling him. Clips was like nah I'm not battling him. Right. And I would have battled a bunch of no names forever type shit. You feel me? Somebody eventually got to be like

Starting point is 01:14:38 nah this nigga dope. I don't feel like that with your talent you would have been battling no names forever. But no I'm just saying, I do. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Yeah. I don't know. Because you got to put it like this when a nigga is when a prize is small and he a dangerous

Starting point is 01:14:54 nigga. Nobody want to do it. Nobody want to do it. like this thing could potentially kill me and if I win it's nothing for me nobody want to do those real spill though I might turn this nigga into a fucking superstar if he beat me type shit you feel me so a lot of niggas be having that in mind like now I ain't feeling bad at this nigga and I had more they ain't big enough trill spill I had to bust some movie does to pay for them opponents for you and shit spicy so yeah you need to hit that you know how you got it roll it the real way now you know what that I had to bust moves to pay for the mops that's crazy that he says that

Starting point is 01:15:24 Like the reward like not being like and being that guy now like for other people like even though you're so you transcended that because even though you're such a big star and giving someone a good look it's almost not worth it to get murdered by you. You get what I'm saying like people are going to have to have balls to even take that position that you took with B magic at this point with you. You know what I'm saying? Like you really built it up like that. Like it's almost impossible for someone to just it's impossible for someone to just show up and beat you. I think they'd have to have some kind of crazy understanding and experience and some kind of run. They got to be on fire. It got to be some kind of moment.

Starting point is 01:16:02 Like, I don't believe somebody could come out of nowhere and not be on your status and just beat you unless you don't take it serious. You're talking about just like a new nigga out of nowhere with no momentum type shit. It's never going to happen. I don't know that it would be difficult because you got to beat Star Power and shit with certain niggins. And then the bars, it's just it's over. Well, in that URL tournament recently that you was in, like, I've got to. forgot about that. Like, that's low-key what happened there, but like,

Starting point is 01:16:28 do you feel like it was not like, do you just feel like the stage was set in certain atmospheres for certain battlers to win? Like, sometimes they, like, you have the aura, you're the OG, you're going to win off rip. Sometimes it's like, we want to see the new guy win.

Starting point is 01:16:43 Yeah, I want to try to say this without um, or shade on people's Ws. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But coming into the tournament the second time I told he's just going to be hard for us to win this one fool like they you know what I'm saying like they're going to want these underdogs to you know what I'm saying and then when I found out we in Atlanta and shit like that I'm like yeah you know what I'm saying

Starting point is 01:17:05 the narratives are changing a little bit you know what I'm saying but niggas got their Ws how they you know they earned it so I don't want to throw no shade on nobody's W you feel but the energy was set to a certain way yeah yeah I felt it going in I know what that's like I understand you I've just like even outside of the term If a motherfucker just go on a win streak to put it like this. This motherfucker's own Twitter saying, ah, uh, uh, Gichi battle too much, who do out? Now he winning too much and he whoop in y'all too much, so y'all tired of seeing and winning, you feel me?

Starting point is 01:17:36 It's like, fans want to, they want to start painting the narrative now. Like, damn, nigga, I want to see somebody else win. I want to see somebody else win. So it's like people get tired to see people whoop. It's crazy. And you say, you're going to beat niggas like lucks and shit and the fans still be cool. They're like, you know, they're getting sour. It's crazy because me and Gichi had those conversations.

Starting point is 01:17:55 I told him it was going to happen to him. I used to tell him like, bro, they're just going to not want to see you win. Because it happens everybody. It does. It's going to happen easy to black Kevin. I don't want to say it. Exactly. He won't be able to see it.

Starting point is 01:18:07 He's so crazy that they're going to be like, oh, man, we're tired of hearing the same on straight talk. We do what, you know what I'm saying? Then he's going to come back and whoop somebody again with the same shit. And they can be like, oh, he's revamped. He's back. You know what I'm saying? This is the thing about batter rap.

Starting point is 01:18:20 He's right. Battle rap want to see you. build up and get destroyed get to the top get destroyed and then build yourself up again and if you can't anyone who don't do that you know it's a fact of longevity

Starting point is 01:18:31 that's a formula yeah yeah yeah that's a fun but that's what makes the ghost though you know what I'm saying that's what makes how you get up on that canvas that's what makes the true ghost to me though like I respect more niggas like serious Jones more

Starting point is 01:18:43 than niggas like Lux in battle rat because serious Jones got out here and got dirty he realized he battled a lot yeah he's like he realized He realized, oh, y'all want to put me down here with these niggas? All right, let me whoop on these niggas and get right back to where I should be type shit. Instead of coming back like, nigga, I'm serious Jones from wooed you up, nigga, y'all got to put me right back in the game as a starter.

Starting point is 01:19:04 Like, nah, nigga, you ain't been around for every. Nick, you might be rusty, fool, you got to, you know what I'm saying? Low-key reads doing the same shit. Yeah. Respecting niggas like me, you get out here and, you know what I'm saying? Rex. Reed does. Rex.

Starting point is 01:19:14 Rex is, you know what I'm saying? You got to consider Rex one of them niggies. I love Rex. Through every generation, he got outside and got dirty. never set on the pedestal like I'm just the goat just because I'm the goat right and he he battled in every generation gave niggins day shots you feel me like certainly these niggins any and this motherfucker right exactly exactly he ain't never left he never left the game 23rd year and he's crazy enough to potentially take a rumnitty battle so saying like

Starting point is 01:19:39 and battle geetschi before crooked eye like a like a lunatic yeah you're out of your mind but both yellow myers killers you feel me people that me and danny like I'm not about that nigga like hell not that's a dangerous nigga and especially you know I'm saying right now he's getting his just dude but a lot of people kind of looked at him you know what I'm saying like he's not really a top tier nigga so for him to battle a dangerous nigga that a lot of people like he's not hollow with the wife he's getting that look now because after that rock battle he's finally getting that look he should have been getting right you know what I'm saying but at that time I was a dangerous battle for him to take Danny absolutely he still took it you for me

Starting point is 01:20:15 daddy was slaughtering shit no fuck yeah no fucks yeah no fuck giving for Danny yeah Danny yeah shout out my nigga Danny fool but but bar God for real Dee Will you definitely a star on the rise on in and in and behind the mic you feel me on all levels it's I appreciate you're looking forward to continuing to working with you yeah you already know I appreciate Charles love man right up no we gonna do something oh yeah man that's my C day so I'm gonna be in the building oh for real yeah let's go man I'm at that motherfucker man yeah we'll be there and and uh rum Nitty one of the most humble, interesting, dedicated, and talented, unique artists of all time.

Starting point is 01:20:57 West Rushmore, straight the fuck up. Man, I just want my piece of the pad, man. That's shit. Hey, man. Go follow that West World YouTube page. Subscribe. Subscribe to my motherfuckin'upeg. Subscribe to my motherfuckin'upeg.

Starting point is 01:21:08 All right. You feel me? Go follow my motherfuckin'em'u'em'em'em'n. My shit looking skinny, you feel me? My shit is Geller Rich Will on Instagram. Gotta wish World on Twitter, man. If you want to type in, y'all want to bring some little battleware, some talent, man. DM me, I'll hit your back.

Starting point is 01:21:25 And with that being said, we're about it here. We about this beyond. This is beyond.

No Jumper - Rum Nitty on How He Rose To The Top of Battle Rap

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