No Jumper - Ryan Upchurch On How He Became An Independent Country Rap Star

Episode Date: December 24, 2020

Adam sits down with Ryan Upchurch for his first official interview, to talk about how he started his music career from zero to 1M followers, being independent, yanking a couple label's chains, fans showing up to his private home, walking around with security, how he parties hard in his area, focusing on his music, all the whilst, chewing tobacco. https://www.instagram.com/ryanupchurch/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest Podcasts on the world that today we're in here with the one and only Ryan up church. How you doing, man? Good, man. How you doing? Excellent. You know, okay, so I was saying earlier, I'm like, this guy reminds me of, like, one of the rappers that I cover, who's, like, really from the streets and stuff. But, like, the sort of, like, other side of that, like, the white boy version of that. And then when you came in here with what is a clearly armed security guard, that just kind of further cemented that. Because, like, that's how it is a lot of times when you interview, like, these young dudes are.

from the streets like yeah they probably might have a case so they can't like have a firearm on them but they have like a trained guy with them or whatever oh for sure so i'm very interested to see that that you have a security concerns like you're really like hot in these streets like like that you know in the woodpile bro i'm hot in the woodpile so um okay give me the the the early stages though like how did you kind of decide that you were going to become a celebrity and like or did you want to be a musician or Or a fucking rap or a, just like an entertainer at first. What was the process?

Honestly, I got kicked out of high school. I started working construction after high school. You know, everybody in the country, bro, if you drop out of high school or if you get out of high school, I ain't got a job, you're working with your grandpa, your dad, that shit's getting passed down. You know, you're learning some trades to, like, support yourself this, that, and the other. And honestly, dude, I just, I've loved rap music from my early age. especially being from the kind of place I'm from, you know, it's kind of like, turn that crap off or pull your pants off, you know, or something like that.

So you kind of like have to sneak and listen to rap music, you know what I mean? Right. So, you know, I don't know. It's, I don't know, man. So you felt conflicted about that from our early age. Like, you felt, oh, no, I didn't care. Right, but I mean, I kind of similar to an extent growing up in New Hampshire, it was like, you know, to a certain extent.

And especially, you know, I remember when I went to junior high in like 97, that that was very much like a thing. Like, you're not supposed to like rap music or whatever. Like, the school was very split. There was, like, the kids who listen to fucking Nirvana and smashing pumpkins and Metallica and shit. And then the kids who listen to rap. And it was kind of weird for me to be a white kid who was, like, very much interested in rap and also interested in other music. Oh, yeah, dude.

Growing up in Nashville, it's definitely a huge... I'm going to take this dip out so it don't sound shitty. I like it. It's like I'm chewing on toilet paper. Add some flavor. That's your... That's your version of smoking a blunt. is that you have some...

Oh, no, I can smoke a blunt. I threw up on the airplane from being too high on the way here. Did you really? Hell yeah, dude. You took an edible or some shit? Fuck, yeah. Well, I didn't take one.

I took four. And my buddy took two. And, dude, walking past the bomb dog, wrote, look like he had wooden legs. He didn't want to bend his knees. It was hilarious.

I don't think the bomb dog is sniffing for weed brands. No, no. We didn't know that, though, at that time because I've only rode airplane like three times. At that time, At that time, that dog just seems intimidating. Super intimidating. That dog is just a snitch.

He'll snitch on any kind of criminal behavior. You really haven't been playing three times? Yeah, dude. Are you scared of it or something? No, I love it. Really? Mm-hmm. I love it.

I just like, I'm like a hobbit, dude. I like staying in my own little county and doing my own little thing. Really? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm friends with people who, you know, who do other things and, you know, go to these crazy parties like y'all go to and stuff. but I'm just like, you know, front yard,

chilling with 10 homies kind of thing, you know? You're very much, like, chosen to sort of stay on a humble path. I'm just, well, I don't know about that. It's just, I get weirded when I leave

and go to, like, these places where I feel like I don't belong, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like out of place all the time. I feel it. Okay, so wait,

you graduated high school, you start, you know, learning various trades, sort of, like, average kind of thing that somebody from your area does after high school, right? Yeah.

And, but you, you love rap. Mm-hmm. And how do you start to pursue rapping? Or like, was that the idea? Dude, I sucked so bad when I started, but I was trying so hard. I didn't even care.

The first album that I ever come across was the Get Richard Dightrine album. And I was like in like eighth or ninth grade. And dude, I listened to that mug so many times. And I don't know, I guess it just kind of, actually the first album I ever had was a Roy Jones Jr. album. Because my grandfather used to fight chickens,

With, uh, he rapped. Yeah, dude. Roy Jones Jr., you got some rap shit. Yeah, I missed out on that whole fucking thing. That's interesting. Um, but somehow that relates to your grandfather of fighting chickens. Yeah, yeah, he fights. He used to fight chickens, yeah.

Roy Jones, he's got a picture with Roy Jones Jr. Chilling in our yard holding two roosters. Oh, wow. On my Instagram, yeah. So you don't, you don't look down on that behavior at all. Fighting chickens is just normal shit. To me, growing up where I grew up, dude, a lot of stuff is different. And that's what, and that's the other thing I'm noticing, you know, as I get further in this career,

and meet other people. You know, I see myself changing as a person because I'm seeing a lot of stuff that I've never seen before and being exposed to it. But at the same time, you know, how I grew up is how I grew up, you know, I can't help that, you know what I'm saying?

Like, it is what it is. But it gives me all the traits now to create the kind of music that I do. So when I was 19 and I like first went, I went to Amsterdam, like me and my friends saved up and went to Europe for a week or two and just seeing like, you know, the prostitutes and the fucking booths

on the side of the street and they got the weed cafes and shit. It was very like eye-opening like oh, every, like all over the world there's different standards of what's going on in terms of like what's considered acceptable, etc. And so like, the reason why I say that is like, you know, me growing up, I wasn't exposed

to cock fighting or dog fighting. But like, I had some rappers on here the other day and I'm listening to him and they're clearly talking about dog fighting and they're actually making fun of dudes who basically fight pussy ass dogs. Like there was like basically insulting the quality of their someone else's dog so you know it's just you know

see i could never fight a dog bro dogs are too cool yeah roosters i mean you can't eat them you can't i mean you can't cook them and eat them or nothing like that i got roosters just pretty much all muscle i mean literally you can cut their head off no literally run around for like 20 minutes you know what you ever done that have i cut a chicken's head off yeah uh no but the first time i ever went to a chicken fight was in this place called hoanwald and i was probably like 11 years old and I go out back and an eight year old kid was like, hey, he's like, you want so much dip. He had a dead fucking rooster in his hand and he was banging this rooster's head off this Walmart buggy that they put all the dead roosters in.

You know, keep in mind I'm 11 years old. I got this eight year old fucking chopping this chicken's head off and trying to give me a dip and I was like, yo, this is the fucking country, country, bro. And I went with my grandfather every time he went. Wow. It was wild to see, dude. It was wild to see. You see cops there.

You see fucking the judge there, the guy Larry from down the street who works on a zoo-z-z-oos there. Like, everybody's there fighting chickens, dude. But, dude, you're talking big money, though. You're talking, like, sometimes your motherfucker might win $60,000, fucking $100,000. Like, these people are fucking making a shit ton of money doing that stuff. Let me ask you this. Like, you know the way that you grow up and you think that everything that you grew up around is just normal. And, you know, then at one point, it's like every kid has this sort of awakening.

where they realize what the like perception of where they're from is like being from New Hampshire I kind of had that like I left home and then like one of my friends from New York comes to New Hampshire and like just seeing his reaction to it kind of like opened my eyes to like

oh my God I am from a really fucking white trash place and there's a lot of heroin addicts just walking around here because there was like junkies all over the place but I didn't really as a kid I didn't realize they were junkies and then like one of my friends comes there and sees Anyway, I say all that just to say, when did you sort of like realize? Is there a particular moment that comes out in your head that is like when you realize

like, oh, I'm a country-ass motherfucker in comparison to most other people? Right, dude. I don't know. I don't even guess I've really realized it yet because, I mean, this is like one of the first fucking interviews I've done, you know what I mean? Like I go other places like Flint, Michigan and stuff. And I'm like, okay, I'm southern as hell. But you got to think, though, everywhere has, how do I say this?

Like, everywhere has their type of rednecks or something, they're just different. You know, I mean, I tell people that all the time, I'm like, bro, rednecks are just the same as a lot of other people. You just tweak a few things, and it's the same exact person just in a different environment. Right. You know what I mean? Definitely. No, there's rednecks where I grew up now, too. Like, I'll see them, like, posting up the Confederate flag and shit.

and I'm like, you're from fucking New Hampshire. Like, be serious. It's funny because to me it feels like they're appropriating what is actually like your culture. Like they're trying to secede, basically, like even though they're on the east. I feel you. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I see that a lot of Confederate flags and stuff.

I do go up north and see a lot of Confederate flags and stuff. I mean, obviously I see them in Tennessee. You know, I'm from the south. But I do see what you're saying. You go elsewhere. And it's like people, they take. take the symbolism and they use it of their own, you know, whether it's being rebellious or whether it's whatever, anti-government or whatever it may be, you know. I know there's, I know

there are things attached to it that make people uncomfortable and I do understand that, but I also like to tell people like, hey, man, like, you know, I got that mug at my house, you know what I mean? My buddy's got it at our house. We're not out saying, you know, we hate this kind of person. We want everybody to be open and be who they are not not be scared to be something that they're not to other people you know because that's what makes the world go around bro i think i got friends that you know they don't support the confederate flag or nothing like that rightfully so that's their lifestyle you know that's cool but we don't talk about it we don't argue about it you know what i'm saying it ain't one of those things or it's like i know you're you have to have this on your truck to be my friend like

and i feel like that's what fucking social media is done dude it's weird yeah because social media takes everything to the extreme so the confederate flag becomes purely a symbol of racism whereas like down south like i've seen it throughout my life and stuff that there's definitely a lot of people who roll around with that shit on their car or whatever and that's not what it meant to them but like that kind of perception of it has kind of almost made that the reality where now if you're a person who wants to roll around without on your truck you know that everybody's going to perceive it that way at this maybe not where you're from but around you know well no where i'm from too though where I'm from too.

Like, you know, everywhere, you know. It's the person, to me, it's, man, I'm one of the people like, I'm not going to sit here and say a bunch of stuff unless I meet somebody. And when I meet somebody, then I'll make, I'll make my judgment of them. That's kind of how I am, you know. But with the media and shit these days, it just really, really encourages everybody to think of everybody else as being where they're from, what they believe. If you know one opinion of a person, like, if you know that person, you know that person,

doesn't support abortion, then you can just fill in the blanks of every other thing that you assume that they believe too. It's like, you know, that's kind of like what has become of our society in a lot of ways, it's weird. But see, I mean, even then though,

you know, somebody like myself who has, however many followers, I don't know, but, you know, when people ask me something, I want to make, about the Confederate flag or something like that. I always make it a point to be like, yo, I'll answer your question. Like, let me, the guy who's holding it,

and the guy who has a tattooed on him, let me answer your question. I got you because I'm not going to be like no fuck you you don't like it and then get the fuck I'm saying like I'd rather be like yo let me understand where you're coming from and then let me tell you where I'm coming from so we can you know show anybody who's watching this video like bro we can look past that and we can be one because we're going to need to be one eventually you know what I mean like we can't keep we can't keep adding stuff to the pot to separate us uh separate us as a society because once dude I'd rather have one whole super gang

you know of American motherfuckers to understand each other that which is almost impossible then to have like you know a million groups to all hate each other yeah you know what I'm saying that's what I think gets lost in it a lot is that it's like in the quest for equality a lot of it feels like people forgot about like the idea that the ideal is for everybody to just get along and sometimes that almost seems like it's kind of been like forgotten about yeah dude seriously man oh my gosh definitely Okay, wait, so you start rapping. How do you go about starting to rap or getting any kind of involvement in this?

And how long does it take before you start getting some traction? Well, 12th grade, I started doing it with, you know, this little producer dude that had a closet in town. And then we ended up having a falling out. He deleted all my shit. I recorded like 30 songs. They all suck, though, so it doesn't really matter. And I got out of high school or dropped out or whatever. and then about four years go by

and I was like, you know what? I'm going to take some of my money that I'm making from doing this and I'm going to try to do music. The first album, Cheatham County, it wasn't like a masterpiece or nothing, but it was like, yo, it gave people the, like, who the fuck is this dude? Like, how do you go about getting it out there?

Bro, Facebook. Really? Yeah, I, you know, I didn't have like a team or nothing. I've never been signed to a label, nothing like that. I had a couple people that I made friends with along the way that give me good tools and contacts like yo hey this guy right here can record you for X amount of dollars

and he's only open this time so you got to go here and I went through some sketchy shit dude like I recorded it some places that was like yo what the fuck watched two guys shoot at each other in Antioch one time you know arguing after we just left the studio and I was like yeah this is not the vibes bro like I'm trying to watch these two guys shoot at each other while I'm trying to record inside. You know what I mean?

See, you are. He's a gangster rapper. I'm telling you. No, no, no, I'm not a gangster. Straight country boy, bro. I have a shootout. That's where it happens at the studio quite often. Well, then I ended up getting hooked up with some of Young Bucks people shortly after that.

Shout out Young Buck. Friend of the podcast. Great guy. Great rapper. Oh, bro. Growing up around Nashville, if you didn't hear Young Bucks music, you weren't listening for rap music. But anyway, I met up. with a couple of his people.

What was their names? Bandplay. He's done some stuff for, I think. B, he's done some stuff for Young Dolph, was it? Yeah, young Dolph. I've done some stuff with bandplay, and then branched off from there, outgrew that,

and then ended up meeting this guy named Stoner, and we've been working ever since. You know, just dabbling with whatever, country music, rock music, rap music. It's just kind of like whatever I wake up and feel like that morning, to be honest. I mean, grew up around Nashville,

it's like a melting pot of music anyway. Right. Who influenced you to sort of like mixed country and rap together? Because it feels like that is like it's a whole thing. Just growing up in it. Yeah. Because you just grew up listening to country and rap at the same time. But it felt like there's been like not that many people have the gall to really try to mix it together until the last few years.

Well, see, that's the thing. Like it wasn't one of those things where I was like, hey, I got an idea. I think everyone's going to love it. It was like, hey, I'm about to rap on some shit. And if they don't like it, fuck it, they do. Hell yeah. And I just kind of did it. And honestly, I've had a lot of people ask me.

It's been like, well, how long until y'all got the formula right, this, that and the other? No, nothing. We just been winging it. Like, that's all I know how to talk about. Like, I'm not going to get on here and be like, yeah, you know, bitches drugs and drug dealing. Like, I don't know nothing about that. Right. But I know about country shit.

So I just rap about country shit. Right. You know? And so did you automatically just feel like you got a crazy reaction from people who maybe were looking for that kind of content didn't necessarily have that much of, you know, there wasn't as much of that stuff out there? People was already getting that. Oh, now, now, country rappers have been around for a long time.

Some people I see as country rappers, oh, God, it's such a weird thing because to me, it's just rappers that are from the country, you know, but you do have a section of people that are like, ah, country rap, let me put on some overalls and eat a tomato and we're going to make some money. I have seen a lot of rappers who, like, kind of made a swing at being a gangster rapper, and it didn't work. And then a few years later, they're, like, throwing on some overalls. And they're like, they got a whole different style.

And I'm kind of like, wow, this is, this is interesting. Was this you the whole time? Like, you just kind of forgot about this side of your personality till now? Oh, yeah. And people, there's a select few country rappers that are for real, some country motherfuckers that are rapping. And then you have the other one. We just talked about, you know, the look at me. have a tomato.

I caught a fish once. You know, you have those kind. But, yeah, people definitely know the difference. But shit, dude, I got sidetrack. Yeah, just, I don't know, like, what that fan base wants from me. Okay, so like we were saying before, it's been a thing for a minute, but to people in these rural, rural areas. Like, to me, when someone says, who's a country dude who's a rapper, I'm going to say,

I'm going to say, you know, young Gizi, yo-godi. Oh, yeah. You know, Kevin Gates. I mean, they're from real southern areas. So to me, when I think of rap music coming from a country dude, I also think about those people, but some don't. So when I come in, Nashville was already jumping on this whole country rap thing. But it was just like, I would not bump it in my truck at a party. you know what i mean because it was like hmm let's let's pour just a good amount of this and a good

amount of this and let's just dabble him up a little bit and fucking set him on a four-wheeler and fucking let's shoot a video when all of us are out here wowing out in the street fucking riding boys on the street 60 miles and out we're like yo they're lying they're really not doing this shit and and the fans know the fans know when you're bullshitting and they know when you're not bullshitting and if they see something especially in country rap if they see something and they're like yo that ain't fucking real that ain't their four-wheeled they can can't start that motherfucker they ain't gonna write it what they're saying is just the same shit everybody else is saying in a country fan base you better say some lyrics where these

motherfuckers really know you're out here doing this shit otherwise they're not going to listen to you you know what I mean like it's the same with same with rap music you know you got people that are hella respected like 50 you know like dolphin shit but they're doing and they've done what they're saying they're doing in their songs you know what I mean they're not just out here bullshit and so you ever think about doing that you ever think about just going shooting at somebody fuck no have your homie film it that's like you know you can just come up unless they're messing with my mama or my brothers we're good i'm i'm using my prison pass one time bro and it's for somebody i love just for no reason you have a prison pass is that how that works well dude

it ain't a pass but i look at it like this i've already done everything i want uh i've already accomplished everything i want as of right now and i would i would i'm not out here like waving guns on Instagram I would never shoot nobody or nothing for no fucking reason or no street create or nothing but somebody done something to my mom or my brothers I probably would yeah try to that you got a free body it to me um okay but have you always like have you always like integrated your you know social media type personality and like your willingness to just get on camera and rant and ramble and shit has that always kind of been a part of your brand along with just making music it feels like they're kind of like one doesn't go

without the other with you. America loves seeing chaos and they love seeing people bitch about stuff. But the music is separate. Like I'm super serious about the music. The videos and stuff, they're fun and stuff. It's just, you know,

I do dumb little shit like that, get engagement, you know, make people laugh, maybe people are mad that I want to make mad so we can back and forth on YouTube or something like that. But the music is totally separate. I'm a different person when it comes to music,

especially when it comes to what, whatever genre I'm doing that that month or whatever. Interesting. Rock music is probably the most different. And I have to get into a certain mindset to write my rock stuff. Really? Yeah. Do you, like, in the studio with a band and shit?

Or how do you do that? We have a lot of different players and stuff, depending on what sound we're going for. On this last rock album, Creeker 2, I did nothing but listen to, you know, Allison Chains, Pretty much just Allison Chains, to be honest. Really? Yeah, like I'll go through their whole entire catalog

and get into this certain mindset, then I'll write some rock stuff. But I have to surround myself with what I wanna do in music that month. And when I do it, I'll do it to the extreme. Like surround myself with whatever. Do you, okay, how prolific are you though? Like when you go in the studio, how long does it take you to make a song? And like, how long does it take you make a project?

And are you making like a million songs for one project? or you just make like the amount that you need and then you do it? I'll make like 10 songs. I'll go through most of the time, 90% of time, those will be the 10 songs that go on the album, whatever one's come off my head first. Every once in a blue moon, I'll take one out, and I'll read and I'll do something else and slide it in.

That's about it. Right. Rap songs, I could go in. I've done, I've recorded the whole rap album in two weeks before. Right. I've done collaboration albums in less than seven days. country albums I'll probably write for like three months on those

because the country scene is the trickiest if you ask me. Trickyest how? Trickyest like getting people to getting people to engage in country music I feel like is a little bit more difficult. Like when you put out a video of a country song it's harder to get momentum going on or what?

Oh no, no, no, no. I'm just talking about living in the national the songwriting process. Like getting other people would be like, yo that's a really good song because you got so many people writing at the same time writing for so many people like each artist could have fucking eight writers or whatever and i'm writing all of myself so i kind of beat myself up the most on country music because i want to be perfect i i want to be it's like a music baby and like ever and since i live there i want to make sure my country music is

the best you know when i when i'm writing it so what do you feel like you're bringing to the table that makes your shit stand out aside from like your personality and the fact that you you're very like raw and uncut compared to like the average country star probably but like from your perspective what do you bring into the table that like that you want to do better than other people honestly it's just kind of like taunting right now but people people take it as taunting people take it as you can take it as whatever you want but honestly dude to god's honest truth bro is that i get so angry that i see these young dudes moved in nashville hang out barely getting by on the street corner for fucking three, four years

while these big rich motherfuckers put all this stuff in their ear to make them like stick around and stay and you never know. They could write one song, two songs. They have this whole dream when they come to Nashville and it's all shit on because it's a club, dude. I know because I know motherfuckers in the club.

They won't let people in. Right, right. And it's just they give a lot of false hope. So I'm the guy who's like, yo, fuck it. Go do it yourself. Find you a camera guy. you know, if you really are in love with music, then you'll prosper. If you're not, then you have to be 100% though the whole time, especially as an independent

artist. You have to be 100%. You can't 99.9% believe in yourself, and then that 1% you don't believe in yourself because that's going to fuck you all up. Like, you have to have so much self-confidence that nobody can tell you shit if you're independent artists. But so that's interesting because, like, in rap music, we're very much used to, like, you know, rappers.

basically you have to make your own wave. Like you have to get popular on your own. That's kind of the norm is that we expect people to, you know, start getting popular on their own and then the label swoops in and starts to, you know, incubate them and help take over their career. Whereas I guess, yeah, I would assume that in country, it's more like, couldn't go without the dip for long, huh? No.

That's why I just had to go buy new teeth. Are you, those are new? Yeah. Really? Yeah, they're already stained up, ain't they? They don't look like veneers, though, are they? No, there's a fucking, they grind your teeth down, like little shark teeth. Yeah.

That's what those are? Mm-hmm. Oh, wow, they look very natural. Thanks. Damn. Nashville, baby, Nashville. But, okay, yeah, I would assume that, like, a lot of country stars are sort of, like, you know, brought up, like, by the labels from go. Is it really difficult to be somebody like you who's, like, doing it all independently?

Yeah, especially, like, and I think a lot, I should talk about I do it. Yeah. Because, dude, it's just. It's, it's, people do their little stabs. You know how people do. You know, there's little things that are said and little moves that are made that they, they fuck with you without having to openly fuck with you. You know what I mean?

And as soon as they do it to me, I'll show up to, I'll, I'll tell everybody. And that's a thing. That's what's made people standoffish from me. It's what made, it's what made people like me also, though. Like, it's not like Nashville doesn't, don't give me credit. I think it's the, it's the, the big wigs. that know I'm talking to them because I've been in their offices. Like, for instance, I got, I had a meeting with Big Machine Records in Nashville, Scott Breschetta.

He owns a big machine or just, he just like dueled up with Scooter Brun. What's his name? Right. Scooter Brom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had a meeting with them about signing to Big Machine. And when I got in there, I fucking, I play stupid. I look the part, I can play the part.

I go in there, I play stupid. And, dude, I carried this on for like four days. They gave me free liquor. They gave me a free flying V guitar. They gave me all this shit. Like, and knowingly, I'm going to say no afterwards. I just get all this free shit and then tell them no. But I wanted to get the contract in my hands so I could read it thoroughly and show other people.

Not only did that, was I able to get the contract. I actually got Scott Brescetta to sign it so I could write whatever I wanted. on it and frame it in my studio. So I have it in my studio. And it's a big machine record deal. And that's like, I like collecting stuff like that. But this is a strange thing that you're saying right here. This is pretty out there. But you know, like, so you went into this whole situation knowing that you weren't going to sign or like you just, you knew off top that there was nothing that they could offer you that would make you interested? Why is that? Because if you own 100% of your master's on 13 billboard chart and albums, as soon as you sign with one of them, the first

off, they're going to be like, okay, well, we want your back a little bit of your back catalog, and we want more of your new catalogs than they're going to make. Fuck that. My back catalog is going to make me more money in one year than them motherfuckers going to make me in two years because they're going to take half the money. Country music is different in that way.

See, I'm not sure the business side on the rap side, but I do know the business side on the country side because I grew up in Music City. Well, where's the money? Is it the performances or is it the streaming? Dude, as an independent artist? Bro, it's all of it.

Yeah. All of it. Because, dude, if you're getting 100% of everything, dude, fuck, dude. I mean, you don't even have to do that good to live comfortably. Right. Like, I could have been totally content with 2016 me. And I was living in a trailer with my family,

but all my bills was paid. It was my trailer, you know what I'm saying? Right. I think it's that, I think what fucks a lot of young artists up is, is they want more. They want more. They want more. Right now.

Right now I want more, what more. label gives you money you go in debt you spend more money you're spending money on all this other shit music videos this at any other and by the time it's over with you're fucking two hundred thousand dollars of debt to your label and you're like shit right how'm i'm gonna bet these motherfuckers mac well should have bought some land dude but isn't is there part of you though that wants to be that superstar that presumably only the label could make you you know like to like that is what the label is good for i think in large part is that they could turn people into actual superstars and that that that that No matter how popular you are as an independent artist and you can make millions of dollars, that there is a level that you might just never be able to do on your own. Here's my thing with that.

It ain't no fun if you already know what's going to happen. If you already know what's going to happen, how fun can it be? Right. If you're doing it yourself and you're just winging it and you go through all these weird situations, dude, that's the story at the end. You know? And also, if you sign with the label,

they'll tell you that they're going to be able to make you're a number one star and everything, but there's absolutely no certainty about that. Like, they fuck up all the time, yeah. Bro, I've had homies downtown Nashville, be like, dude, you know, I signed this pub deal or whatever, or I signed it with so-and-so deal, and I went down there for a photo shoot,

and this bimbo bitch coming here was trying to make me wear a polka dot dress. Like, you never know what you're going to hear, dude. They try to make me wear a Hawaiian shirt and stand in front of a fucking plastic palm tree. I'm like, bro, we're in Nashville. There are palm trees around here. Right. Wow.

That's crazy. Yeah, dude, you got to let people do. And that's the beauty of independent music. Like, you never know what you're going to get from nobody. Like somebody I like, I like following from time to time. I used to follow a lot when I was younger is Hobson. You never know what the fuck Hobson's going to do. He might be in the desert.

He might be chilling in the Congo, fucking playing with some fucking air darts. You never know what Hobson's doing, but that's what I love about him. Right. Yeah. No, definitely. So are there other people comparable to you, like in the country where they're just doing like they're purely like indie things slash like YouTube star thing. Dude, I'm gonna be 100% real.

Are you kind of the king of the shit? No, I'm not the king of the shit. But I know you're gonna take them lying, but I don't pay attention to nobody. Really? Mm-mm. It fucks up your creative mind. Interesting.

I don't really watch TV no more. You know, I make sure that I keep listening to new music a lot. Like even new people that are coming up and anybody, because I want to see what's going on in music. general but when it comes to you know who's flashing this amount of money who's doing this you know whatever I'm I couldn't fucking tell you shit right thing really but it keeps your create it keeps my personally keeps my creative mind way open to where I can jump from four different kinds of music

that are totally different from each other you know that's right I guess there's a lot of stuff you could potentially be paying attention to there huh yeah I mean there's a lot of shit but right now I just I I like to lock on the weird shit and just like, you know, listen to that or follow that for a minute and jump. I don't really like staying in the drama because the drama just puts you, it sets you back so far. Drama's good sometimes when it makes sense. But when you got, when you're, you know, if you come out with an album and it's in the top 10 and you got, you know, 10 SoundCloud rappers that, you know, not SoundCloud rappers, but if you

got 10 rappers that are really have no following, be like, hey, fuck you, fuck you. I'm not going to be like, oh, let me dishing. this guy. That used to be me, but it's just a waste of time now because you got it's like zombies. Are a lot of people trying to use you for a come up like that? Like they want to fucking mention you and use you for clickbait and whatnot. Bro, I've had quite

a few rappers do that. Some know more than others. Some not known at all. It just depends on who it is. I think the one who I've been into it with who has the most credibility. I don't know even if he's like

a big rapper or that is screw face John screw face jeet one of yeah the YouTube guy I had a major major beef with him we went back and forth and yeah it ended pretty good for me ended up good how I don't know him

I got to check my I gained some of his fans I didn't lose none he lost a lot not me though I mean but he came in it all wrong though he was he come in being like and listen listen I'm not gonna pull up to the block and spit you a fuck a bunch of bars and nothing like

that, but, you know, if something comes my way, I'm about to write fast as shit, you know what I mean? That's the kind of person I am, you know, I'm not a freestyle or can't freestyle but I love writing, I love getting under people's skin. You know, that's my favorite thing to do, and that's what I did to him. And it backfired on him because he made a whole entire

song about racism and tried to call it this song, and then all of his fans were like, yo, fuck you, that ain't good enough. You didn't even do your homework on this upchurch guy, he was calling you racist? Really? Yeah. I told him what I told back it up, dude.

I've been on the internet for six years. I'm pretty sure I've said something somewhere. If you're racist, people know. You know, because you'll slip up and say some shit and be like, oh, it was an accident. Well, really, it's not an accident. Really, that's how you're thinking. It just slipped out of your fucking mouth. You know what I mean?

Right. So when I come at him like that, like, okay, if I am, show me. I'd love to look at it. You know what I mean? But it's just, he went off of the political beef. instead of actually diving into who I was. I went in and picked apart this motherfucker from his toenails to his hair.

I don't give a shit. Like, I'm going to know everything. I wish I knew more about this. I got to investigate this beef. So wait, so do you like, what's your actual day-to-day life like, though? Do you just feel like very much content to, like, keep a very, very normal life?

Seems like that's kind of your e-fose. Well, I like the madness, too, though. Really? I just, like evening it out. What's the madness? Bro. Dude, we've started, I've started riots on accident. Riots.

Yeah, dude, I've been on the news like three times for crazy shit like that. One time, where was that place where the two fullers collided? Don't, you ain't got to say his name, but where? It was in Kentucky. So I'm about to go on stage, right? Colt Ford just got off stage, right? Yeah, Colt Ford got off stage. And I'm about to go on stage.

Well, Colt Ford comes up to me. He's like, yeah, this place is fucking weird. He's like I was just on stage people was climbing up behind me on stage like jumping around with me and shit and I was like I ain't having all that So I already was like okay. I'm a little sketchy Well, we start to go down there for the show and they're just letting people run wild on full-wheelers and shit Which is fine, you know, but these two people had a head-on collision and fucking crack skulls with each other And one of them if I'm not mistaken was like in the ditch like having a seizure and shit and then one of those security guards some security guards was like oh, well pick her up and put her in the back of the cat and they were like yo don't pick her up her back might be

fucking broken right so then they're trying to call this helicopter in to life like this lady who had a wreck about that time i'm i'm supposed to be going on stage well then they start shooting off fireworks and shit so the helicopter can't land i'm assuming this is like an outdoor venue because you're describing the four wheel is smashing into each other okay i'm trying to paint the picture yeah yeah it's a big farm bro and uh long story short they started shooting fireworks so the helicopter couldn't land so I got on stage and I was like y'all fucking suck this whole fucking

venue sucks y'all don't know how to do shit I'm fucking leaving so I went to leave and all hell broke loose dude they were trying to run him over with a four-wheel or a truck trying to run him over fucking this big dude was like I'm gonna fuck you up the fans were pissed

were they actual genuine fans of yours or were they more just people who were there now the fans in the crowd were like yo there's a bad thing going on over here and this helicopter's trying to land I think the people who were more pissed was the staff

and the friends of the staff because it was some chick's birthday this was her birthday party and I fucked it all up she said I spit in her face bro I would never spit in the girl's face and like I have all this shit on

they had all this shit like documented like Yellow Wolf's people was there Yellow Wolf's mom got hit in the head with a bottle and then all Yellow Wolf's mama people like pulled out guns on these motherfuck fuckers. Wow. Yellow Wolf's mom protect her at all costs. Shout to Mama Wolf. Wait, so is that an average show for you? I was going to ask, what is your touring schedule like and how often, and like how many people do you play to? And what are the shows like? They sound, I'm assuming they're not usually

like that. No, no, usually they're fucking, they're super perfect. The vibe's great. All kind of, different kind of people come. Redneck people, not redneck people, gangster people, chicks for fucking gauges, you know, all kind of stuff. And it's usually just, man, my fan base is real like I try to make it family oriented. You know, that's why I call, I call my fans. I call them skins. And people are like, yo, what the hell of skins mean? Because, you know, it obviously sounds, I've had a few, like, yo, what does that mean?

Because you're white and you're saying skins. But, dude, skin. Like, everybody has to have skin. We're not, we don't get to choose what color we come here in. But that don't matter. We can all still be one and listen to this fucking music and jam out and have a good ass time and go home with some memories and some new buddies. You know what I mean?

How long you perform for? Oh, like what, an hour and 35 minutes? Yeah, about an hour and 35. With the whole live band and everything? Mm-hmm. That's dope. We rage, dude. How many, like, openers would you have on average?

Oh, well, like, two? Yeah, like two openers. And there are ones that you bring with you, or it's just different in every city? Sometimes it's, uh, is it people in the city now? I don't think it is now. Now we bring them. We have, uh, we have a, uh, a girl that sings country music,

Carly Rogers, and then we have my little homeboy. from down the street Leroy Biggs does rap music. Interesting. Also, you try to switch it up so you kind of have different stuff all coming together. Yeah, yeah.

You know, trying to, well, not only that, I try to help people that I think have a real good interest in music and are trying to get somewhere instead of being like, well, you can go downtown

and find a label. Well, you can come with me on my show or at one of my shows and show people your music if they like it or not, you know what I mean? No strings of touch.

Do you have fans who like prefer one style of music over the other of fans who are like just purely the country fans and they could really give a fuck less about the rap shit. Oh, yeah, dude. I have some that are solely country,

some that are solely rap, some that are solely rock, some that fuck with all of it. You know, that's partially why I think it's gotten so big to where it's at, just because I do so many different things. Interesting. So one thing that, like, I saw, like, a deleted video re-upload, I believe, of you basically just taking, like, some relationship drama that you were on.

I don't know if this happens a lot or if this is just like a once-in-blue moon thing. But you were raging out about, like, some drama that you have with this girl. And, I mean, it was an exhilarating watch. I totally enjoyed it. But, like, you know. I got trick, boys. Yeah, what is it that, like, do you consider that an important part of your whole, like, public identity,

that you're willing to just take your relationship shit and just air it out like that? Because people love that shit. Bro, you have to. Especially today. I mean, bro, you think about it. Dude, I could fake a text message from you and be like, look, he told me. me after I left. Like, you know, there's so many things you can do now to twist stuff.

I would rather come out and be like, hey, this fucking bitch, try to say this. And I want to let you all know, here's all the proof this and the other. Because no matter what, the consumer of whatever you're doing, they'll get to the bottom of it, bro. Well, it doesn't come out in the warsh will come out in the rants, as one of my buddies always says. And that's the truth. If you lie once, you're going to have to lie eight times to cover up that lie. and then somebody going to find out your line

and by that time you're already lying about something else fuck it just come out and say if you're not a bad person you ain't got nothing to worry about if you won't do nothing weird or nothing like that you ain't got nothing to worry about so why not get up there and be like hey that bitch is a fucking liar here's all the proof where's her proof and then what does she do

I wake up and notice she's fucking gone out of my bed and I'm like yeah what the fuck maybe she's like going down to the store to get sausage and biscuits or some shit I don't fucking know so I call her and she's like yeah I'm super pissed you grab my teddy i'm like yo we just made a freaking hit country song about fucking like like you're sleeping in the same bed with you i'm assuming that you had it

slept with her at this point you can't grab a boob exactly dude it sounded like a crazy you know how guys are dude that's like our fucking adult teddy bear we'd be rolling over and grabbing a boob dude this is what we do i could just never imagine my girl being like you touch my boo my sleep like what the fuck does she care you scratch my urologer or whatever the fuck is gone ariola yeah you scratched my ariola i'm telling facebook about it What the fuck? I don't even know who the girl is Didn't bother to look into it to that extent

But you ain't missing shit So you Okay You start to get famous and stuff Like have you had the problem Of like fucking too many girls Like just indulging too much In all the asses available to you

Or have you like kind of stay In the relationship tips slash Do you deal with issues With like fucking people That are fans of you and shit? Is that what happened with this girl to some extent. Well, actually, I had known her for a minute,

and I actually knew she was a lesbian. I was just being a dumb male, and I was like, oh, look, I'm turning this girl not gay. Like, this is great from my resume. And then it fucking backfires, and you're like, well, shit, she's lesbian again. Here we go. I fucked up.

But, no, man, I'm married to motherfucking music, bro. Like, I'm so dedicated with music. I have to have somebody, companion-wise, with me that will let me be at the studio a long time that will let me sit in my room and write for hours like if you can't do that i don't care i don't care if you got the biggest ass and the biggest boobs in the world if you won't let me go to my room and write music i don't fuck with you go out of my house like i mean don't get wrong i'm i like i like boobies and shit too but but i'm more focused on you grab them in their sleep though yeah facebook i'm going to grab yours

in a minute. No, but yeah, right now I'm focused on my music, dude. Right. That's what I'm focused on. No, if you want to be creative or whatever, that's like the number one. If you're that type of person,

entertainer or a person who creates content or something, that's one of the biggest things that you're going to have to, like, make sure you get out of the way with a girl from step one is that they need to be able to respect the space that you need to be able to be creative and stuff. And a lot of people with a regular-ass job, they can't really like comprehend the fact that don't go into the office every day, but that you have to work.

Right. And there's a weird relationship thing with, you know, maybe sometimes they don't see it as work. They're like, well, you're not working. You're on the couch. It's like, yeah, but motherfucker I'm writing. My next album is supposed to come out in three months, you know? Like, and not only that, it's meeting the wrong people.

Now, now does this chick like you because you like to go fucking hiking and see cool shit? Or is she with you because you got 100,000 likes on your last shit on Instagram? You know, that's the world we also live in, too. so you got to look at everybody's a fucking liar. Not only that, dude, and if you're young and any type of popping and you're out here and you are fucking all these bitches, bro, you're just, you're going to be in trouble probably.

You're rolling the dice. Yeah, you're definitely rolling the dice, dude. These people don't get, half these chicks don't give a fuck about you, bro. They're going to get on there and say anything. Take it from somebody who's had it done to them. They're going to say whatever they can to get them fucking followers up, dude. Right. Just saying.

Some of them ain't like that, but some of them are. When you, like, embarked on this whole, like, career as a public person, though, like, did you, if you had to do it again, would you have done it? Or is there some extent to which, like, not being able to be anonymous and not being able to just be a guy going to the bar? The fact that you can't do all those things like you used to, like, does that bother you in any way? Mm-mm. It's fun. Yeah. You never know what's going to happen. Yeah. That's my whole thing.

If I know what's going to happen, it's boring. If you don't know what's going to happen, it's exhilarating every single minute of it. Even falling off, dude, even falling off. I mean, you know, some people get scared of it. Well, if you start falling off, you just got to work a little harder. You're anxious about that at all. You think about it? See, that's that thing.

It don't bother me because of what I come from, you know? And like I said, maybe 20 minutes ago, I've already accomplished everything that I thought I couldn't accomplish. Everything now is just extra. So it makes me want to work even harder. So it is what it is. I mean, everybody's got to fall off sometime. dude. We can't be rapping when we're 90 in on oxygen, you know what I'm saying? Right.

Sometimes we've got to give it up, but a lot of artists don't know when their time is up. And I'm learning that living in Nashville. I'm like, yo, I don't want to be like some of these people, dude. Like, you know, they're out of shape as fuck. You know, right now they should be, you know, starting their own booking company or finding the new talent coming up or something, but they're just still hanging on to that. I'm a superstar. Like, dude, it's going to be over one day and you better be ready for the next stage. And as somebody who has any light in the music industry, you better be soaking up all that knowledge.

It's cool to do drugs and have fun and fucking party, but you've got to even it out with soaking in this knowledge, too, because you're going to need it one day to run your own company if you want to stay in music. Right. Otherwise, you just be some asshole fucking artist pulling 20 people to a show trying to sing your old song from 20 years ago. Right.

What kind of exit plans have you considered in terms of, like, things that you might do as you get older and shit like that? Like, what stands out to you? Man, I mean, I've already started with my boy Chad with a, you know, booking company. Me and Be Loose have a great relationship with everything we've built. I want to get into acting. I want to get into racing, like racing vehicles. Really?

Yeah. Dude, that's the thing. Like, I could wake up when I want to do like eight things. Right. Like, it don't matter. I'm one of the people. I'm going to be moving doing something until I'm dead. I don't care what it is.

It's going to be something. Have you, are you like ambitious in terms of doing music with more, like, mainstream rappers as well? Hell yeah, dude. I'm just picturing you with Little Baby on a song and just like... The baby, but you're... Oh, little baby. Little Baby, too, yeah. You can't mix those up.

We already seen that on YouTube. You see that video? No. Where the dude comes up to his window. And he's like, man, fuck you. He rose the window up on him. Right, yeah, yeah, okay. That was pretty cool.

There's a lot of, like, that's always, like, a consistently viral thing is that, like, but it'll come up to, like, you know, famous decks and be like, hey, Lil Uzi! And, like, you know, always. Or, like, some girl will take a photo with him and be like, I met the Migos. Yeah. It's just some guy.

Yeah, I've done stuff recently with really big artists in country, but, dude, I haven't done, have I done any features in rap? Really? At all? No. Huh?

I mean, I have a few here and there. I've got one with Yellow Wolf. I got a few with some other people, but it's like nothing like that we all promoted and was like, oh, look at this. You know what I mean? It would be kind of crazy if he, like, found the right fucking look to do in terms of, like, that sort of thing.

I want to hang out with some crazy rappers, dude. Some people who ride fucking dirt bikes on the street and shit. Yeah. That's what I want to hang out with. You should go hang out and be a young boy for sure. NBA young boy? Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like that could work. Or what's a fucking... He's a down south guy? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Where's Mick Mill from? Philly. Philly?

Dude, them motherfuckers be riding dirt bikes and shit on the street. That's true. I don't care neither. I feel like you guys would get along. Probably. Yeah. Hell, if we'll give us two dirt bikes, I'm sure it'll be great. Definitely.

How hard do you party? Dude, I'm one of them people, I will definitely party. I did the other weekend at my house, and I got pretty fucked up. Right. Did some shrooms, smoke some weed, drink some liquor. But I never get to the point where I'm like, okay, I can't control what's going on at my house. Like, there's a stopping point where I'm like, hell no. Like, if I can't fucking beat these three big motherfuckers up with this stick,

then I probably don't want to take any more. That's your standard as if you could beat up three guys with a stick. No, but it's just things you think about. Like, dude, a party down south could go bad really quick. Right. Like, dude, yeah, no, especially on a big farm. Somebody get lost, somebody get ran over. You got security at your house, though, all the time.

Yes, 24-7, 365. So you're basically telling me that these country fans don't understand boundaries and they just show up. Well, sometimes, yeah, sometimes. Some of them are nice about it. Some of them are like, hey, we just came here from fucking Illinois to meet him. Is he not here? No.

Okay, bye. Still feels kind of weird, though. You know, it's like, even if they have really good intentions, it's still like, you know, you got to respect my space. Like, this is where I lay my head at. Don't show up. 100%. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. You have to know that. And that's the thing, dude. I feel like, I feel like this happens to a lot of rappers I've seen in the past few years where people think they are hell of approachable. And then they end up getting hurt. It's like, bro. well you don't know that

this rapper just got a death threat last week and got his house shut up and you're trying to fucking, you know, walk upon his front porch, like hey, can I come in your house? Fuck no. Like, the life some of these rappers live you know, and anybody who's in a public eye, you're always watching your back. You never fucking know. I'm sure you've gotten death threats.

I mean, I fucking have. You know, people be like, fuck you, I hate you, da, blah, and you never know. It could be some crazy person that their girlfriend has your albums on their phone. It could be somebody that thinks you actually done I've had so many people say you stole money for me I'm like fucking where and it'll be like somebody pretending to be you yeah getting credit card information and shit oh my god the worst one that I ever had was a rapper showed up at my old store and my the store employee hits me up

and says hey do you have an interview with this dude scheduled or whatever and I'm like no I never heard of him and he fucking shows him on the phone basically somebody had emailed him got him to pay $1,500 for an interview pretending to be me and then the kid flies to L.A., gets a hotel, all this shit shows up about to do the interview, and then finds out the scam. I'm like, yo, these scammers are fucking heartless. Dude, that's pretty. So what'd you do?

Would you like, mm? I didn't do shit. I was fucking, I'm like, yeah. Is it locked the door? Tell him, you should check for what he fucking does something like that. I felt kind of bad, but, you know, I can't, like, give him an interview. And, like, I mean, I never. Here's this guy.

Yeah, yeah, here's this dude. He's easily fooled. Fuck, dude, that's so bad. I felt so bad for him that he got on a plane to have that experience. Damn, dude. Shout to that guy. Dedicated as fuck. Oof.

Jesus. That's good vlog content. I don't know if he has a vlog channel or anything, but he could have made a good vlog out of that. I'll be damn, dude. Yeah, definitely. So, okay, what were the other times you were on a plane? Like, what necessities you getting on a plane? Dude, my first show ever was in California.

Really? Yeah, it was in Fresno. I wouldn't even call it a show. I stood on the back of an 18-willer and, like, wrapped up this karaoke thing for a minute. Then lightning struck and caught this field on fire, and everybody started freaking out. I was like,

D- Seriously? It sounds like a natural disaster. Every time you perform, that's the bitch that you're painting for me. Every time you perform, like the gods come down and destroy the earth. I told y'all, when we got here, I was like, bro, half these stories,

he's not going to fucking believe it until he looks on these shit up somewhere, probably. No, man. Yeah, that was my first show was in California, like 18 people. So you were just mad, ambitious. Like, you got to, offer to play this show you're like fucking i'm getting on the plane i'm going there i'm doing

this yeah some guy who was like my actual birthday he's like we come on here and rap for us i was like fuck yeah i'm on my way right but yeah it wasn't like a real show though it was my first like adventure like going somewhere feeling like at the time i felt like i was doing something cool what do you spend your money on my family my friends and i got a couple muscle cars yeah i seen you do some videos about the cars and shit so is that is that like main thing that's like sapping up profits or yeah well I dude I give myself an allowance bro like every time my money comes in a month I'm like okay I'm saving this much this is for my bills and here's how much I have for cars and if

there's a car that I want it's like you know three allowances away I'm like well got away till I get enough money for that car so I collect cars but I don't do it to the point where it's like oh my gosh like am I fucking myself over right now I'll make sure I got I got money for my cars and stuff for my toys because I want to go and buying all these fucking badass cars and shit you know what I mean that'd be kind of stupid It probably like fucking draws a lot of attention around there though like do you have a good relationship with the police so they just let you go like 130 miles per hour no problem No, they don't let me go 130 miles an hour anywhere I want to go but they're hella good to me

I'll put it that way they're really yeah yeah shout to cheating county police what up mike See, that's interesting, though, because we never have a conversation about rappers and be like, oh, yeah, the cops in their city, the Chicago cops, they're real good to those kids. Like, they're great to them and stuff. You ain't been to the, you ain't been to the dirtiest house, baby. Oh, man. That's a shave, dude. Yeah.

Dude, yeah, cops in the country are cool as fuck, dude. It's like a system. It's like your whole town is a system, you know? You do right, but, you do good, you get treated good, you do bad, you get treated bad. I guess it's kind of like everywhere else, but in the country it's a little bit different because you're always pulling over somebody you know or you've seen or you have a story with. It's not like you're pulling over some random motherfuckers. You're seeing the same people all the time. Interesting.

Yeah. So Young Buck was actually just in jail in Chitaum County not too long ago. What they get him for? I don't know. Free Young Buck. I mean, he's free right now. Free him for. Free him again for next time.

In the future, this time this happens, free him immediately. Okay, so what do you like aspire to do going forward? Like what are the milestones that you could still imagine yourself hitting that you haven't done so far? And how much do you give a fuck? Like how much is that something that kind of resonates in your brain frequently? I give a fuck because my whole goal since the beginning is to show young independent artists that literally anything's possible. You just got to put your mind to it.

Aside of that, I've been soaking in a lot of the stuff that's happened in the past. two years like right now I know you don't know because you're like super famous and you interview a lot of important people but right now in my personal in my personal life I'm just now to the point where I'm like holy shit like what did I do? Like what have I done what have I created so I've been soaking all that in so I haven't really had time to be like okay what are my future goals I'm kind of like just sitting over here in my living room like holy shit I just left a party at kid rock's house I used to listen to him when I was young like this is crazy wow you know I think the craziest thing that's happened so far

that it's gave me the most like umph, like holy crap was when Elton John talked about me on the radio and then played my song. I was like, what? Are you serious? Elton John?

What the fuck? And it wasn't like he just kind of like, was like, okay, here's the song. Like he stopped on the Rocket Hour. And it was like, yo,

I found this kid, Ryan up church from Nashville. He's 24 years old. Dada, starts talking about the blend of like the music I make and then played one of my songs. And I was just like, what?

I want to know who put, Elton John on or like does Elton John just kick it on YouTube just investigating younger artists that's interesting That is that is interesting. I'd like to know that too know how he came upon it yeah Cause dude I mean it's fucking Elton John, I wouldn't be able to imagine anything else that Elton John listens to or like really almost anything that you could tell me that elton John was interested in I'd be pretty surprised just because it seems like he should have been dead a long time ago no offense to him but he's just like ancient as fuck like I can't believe he's still around he's a legend dude yeah, he's a fucking legend right fuck he's knighted he's knighted exactly yeah um hey

are you a little naz ex fan how was all that for you you like no the show of the moment listen bro i'll tell you the truth i'm not a little nonsex fan really why's that bro listen listen it's a good song was that song huge in like your world

like could you not go to a show without hearing that shit playing and shit bro i never heard you need my shows but you know it's just one of those things it's a it's when that came out i was like okay this is they're experimenting they know country rap is popping you can look it up on youtube 40 50 60 how i got some that are almost 100 million plays they got to figure out how to wiggle their way in and i told i told my team i was like bro if they're going to do this and somebody's going to stick it's got to be somebody that can prove their country in the lyrics and what they're doing on instagram if you have every reason

an ability to put your life on there. You can match your life with the music if the music is true. You know what I mean? And when I seen the little nice X thing, I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna look up some of his shit. I like some of his older shit

before the fucking Old Town Road sounded way better, way better substance and all this other shit. And when I seen the little nice sex thing, I was like, damn, that's a catchy ass motherfucker but I know what they're doing.

I was like, this is their product of country rap. They're like, okay, country rap. We're going to take this black guy and we're going to put him in fucking Elvis clothes and make him sing about a horse and it's going to work. Like that's literally, that's how I think of it. And to me, personally, that's disrespectful to the black culture. That's disrespectful to country music. That's disrespectful for, you know what I'm saying?

Like when you're taking these elements, you're like, we're going to clash these together and this is going to sound good. Yeah, it might sound good. It might get a bunch of spins. But how long is that dude actually going to be around? to make bread or are you just going to squeeze him for everything he's got and be like hey monoburger but you're acting like he isn't in control of his own career because i think that he like i don't know if he is or not it feels like he made that song like of his own volition because like okay there's a weird thing that happened where there's another rapper little tracy who's like much smaller than little nazex but he made this song called like a farmer and that was maybe like six months before or maybe like a year or two before the fucking uh the old town road thing came out and i remember like this label that i was uh cool with that them hitting me up and being like, yo, can you help us get in touch with Lil Tracy, like this like a farmer song?

Like we could push the fuck out of that song, rah, rah. And like, it very much was like the same sort of thing where I was using some like country metaphors and stuff and it had a little bit of a country sound to the song and stuff. I mean, I don't think it's disrespectful inherently though. Like,

like, at some point it's kind of like, it was only a matter of time before, you know, hip hop type people became at least interested enough in country. to like borrow some sonic elements because, you know, we've seen it collabing or like being mixed together before, but this was almost like a different version

because it was like Lil Nas X sort of like playing on the idea of being country without like really, you know, giving a fuck about it or whatever. Like it was him like sort of like using it as like a prop to like make like a joke song almost, you know? Yeah, but once again like I told you before in the podcast, like I tried not to watch nothing. So I can give, so I can look at something and be like, okay, this is exactly what I think.

This is not what I think of somebody who follows Lil Nas X or follows, you know, who's affiliated with him. This is just my first reaction. This is what I feel when I see it. That's how I'm perceiving it as somebody who lives in the country and grew up around country music and a little bit of rap music. You see what I'm saying? Like I'm sure he's a good guy. Hopefully he's got, you know, all this shit on lock, you know what I'm saying? But you got to think also growing up around Nashville

Everybody who goes in those buildings and comes out Like I shoot pool with them You know some of these people who writes major songs And never get no credibility this that and the other So I'm on the side of the fence that's like oh well It ain't the side that's like oh everything's good everything's fine It's more of the side of like yo who's trying to fuck everybody over Like who's out to get who you know what I mean

And when I see somebody like little Nazex making so much money And doing so good I'm like bro I hope he's not an experiment. I hope this is actually him. I hope he's having fun doing it, and I hope he's got control of his money and not being used. But that's music city.

People get used, people fucking, they tell you, hey, wear this, do this in your video, and I just hope they aren't doing somebody who's doing so good for himself who could fucking literally retire off that song. You know what I'm saying? He could literally retire.

Do it every once? Do you have that kind of money that you can retire and just say, fuck everybody, and I'm just going to chill in my house for the rest of my life? I hate answer to the question. Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah. Yeah, the income's good. I'm smart with my money. Right. You don't seem like you're like spending. Well, I mean, the car thing sounds like it could be expensive. I was the target for I got here. Did you?

Hell yeah. You got icy chain on there too, right? Oh, yeah. That's that. It's a 90s model Mustang emblem. Right. I love Fox Body Mustangs. Are you like a rapper in there?

Like, you're always kind of trying to step up the jewelry. Do you have a huge box of chains at the crib? No. Put this shit on to sit with you, bro. I was like, man, he's got a bunch of report, bro. Tripi Redd me coming on there with all the ice and shit. Oh, yeah, he's the first person that comes to mind because he'll have like a new cartoon character

every six months of some crazy shit. That's an interesting, dude, man. That's true, yeah. Dude, he did that whole thing with the fucking orchestra. Bro, that was sick. And that, like, I only know about what gets brought to me around my friend group and stuff. But my buddy B was like, dude, check this shit out.

And it was like, he, like, re-did, like, his rap songs with, like, orchestra or some shit. Was that Chief Keefe? Or did the Tribby Red do it, too? I'm pretty sure that was Tribu Red did it. Damn, well. He didn't do it? I might have missed that one. Oh.

Okay. Yeah. Oh, and his last music video was sick as fuck where he's, like, on that badass horse and shit. Yeah. visuals are insane, dude. He seems like the kind of person he probably has control over all his visuals and stuff, and he's, like, pouring out the ideas. Yeah, he's definitely a creative for sure.

Yeah. Do you have a horse? Yeah. How many? One. I'm about to sell that motherfucker. Why? Because my little brother's supposed to be fucking with it, but he don't really like fucking with it no more.

So I tell him get it out of my yard. For real? Do you have like a fire-ass horse? Like you're into the car and stuff. You get a really dope horse. Dude, this horse is one of them horses that was like a race horse and people was like mean to it. So my brother, he was like, yo, we got to get this horse, bro.

Underprivileged horse. Yeah. So he got it fat again. and it's probably going to sell it. Damn. That's crazy. We do got the horses in the back. You got chickens and shit too?

Man, we used to have a lot of chickens. I don't really know more since my grandfather died. Really? Yeah. Actually, I have a rooster tattooed. A lot of people that don't know about chickens think it's a fucking pigeon. But it's because it has the comb cut off. And chicken fighting, you cut the comb off so the other chicken can't grab it and fuck your chicken up.

You got the famous logo there, too. That's fine. Dude, I got that when I was 15. Really? Yeah. It was one time of the only tattooed. on here i gotta take a picture of son of charles barker do it probably appreciate it it they'll probably send the box through dude i love famous stars and straps dude i got to show

you this video of this song called chicken show me you're gonna shit your pants you're not gonna believe this video when you see it this fucking kid dude like it's a dance song from a few years ago up this dance and the dance is called the chicken oh shit i'm not gonna try to do it because it yeah i i'm not gonna show you while we're doing this because yeah you're sure much you're gonna lose your fucking mind dude um okay so What else you got planned while you're out here? COVID. It's got to be fucking shit up for you, huh?

No, not really. No touring, just in the crib. Well, well, I got a lot of stuff I could do when we're not touring, like, ride boilers and fucking, you know, two shit in the woods, hang out, fucking, you know, shit like that, hang out with my buddies. You know, I just had Dogface 208, the fucking Mexican dude who was on the skateboard drinking the cranberry juice and shit. Yeah, yeah. I just had him on, and he was talking about how he was living in a tent, and he didn't give a friend. and he didn't give a fuck he was having a good old time living in the tent and then he like was he blew up on ticot started making real money he's in a house now but i mean he was talking about it like he would not mind at all if he was still living in the tent and you kind of you're talking about the trailer like the trailer is just fine feel like we're having some good humble guests or like reminding us that material shit don't matter which you need that reminder in l.A. from time to time yeah well like you know that's why i tell all these kids on youtube i'm like yo when you start making money you know you're gonna go through your phase where you're like i want to buy all this shit

Especially if you grow up and you know, you didn't have a car when you were 16. Or if you did, it was a fucking hoopty. You know what I'm saying? And when you have enough money to buy some shit, yeah, it makes you want to go buy some shit. But, dude, don't go overboard because you'll find out real quick that buying all that shit brings around all the fucking wrong people, baby. And that's for sure. And then when you go through this phase where everybody's like, hey, can I borrow your car? Hey, can I ride in your Lamborghini or, hey, can I do this?

You'll be like, yo, fuck all this shit. And you'll have this weird crisis. and then you'll get rid of a bunch of shit and then you'll be good until it happens next time. Right. Yeah, I bought a grill. I don't wear it like two times.

For real? I was like this is just not for me. Fuck, yes. Like eight grand on that thing. You look like you should have a cool vampire fucking one with two like fang teeth right here. There's a point in your life

where you just sort of realize like oh, I guess like my like 30 year old white guy in Nitz is kind of like keeping this grill from really working. Like I'm not Paul Wall. You know, if you're Paul Wall, Okay He got the grills, baby

Paul Wall That's who you should work with Bro, I would do a song With Paul Wall for sure dude Paul Wall I could see He wouldn't see the vision I think You like Gorillazzo? Brillus O was tired

I haven't thought about much In like 20 years But yeah See I'm still stuck in the You know Mike Jones on the playlist Paul wall on the playlist Fucking Slim Thug Yeah

Juvenile Yeah you're in juvenile Yeah you're in juvenile Yeah that'd be hard Bro right now I'm just ready to mingle dude any all people out there want a country ass friend holler's your boy

I will come chill dude you a Theo Vaughan fan bro Theo Vaughn what's up you crazy motherfucker yeah I know Theo he's cool as fuck oh you do know I'm okay nice yeah I feel like you guys are kind of similar in that you're both people who like realized

that being a country ass motherfucker was like a thing that you could kind of like sell back to people a bit yeah yeah yeah I was like oh I don't have to go act like I'm from fucking New York I can just like be who I I really am and these motherfigers are like me for it, you know? Perfect timing.

I actually sent him a fucking, I sent him a video the other night, and this motherfucker messaged me back like one in the morning. He's in his bed with his little mullet flicking. He's got his covers up. He goes, I've never woke up at 1 o'clock in the morning to message back another man while I'm in bed, but what's up? You goofy fucker. Yeah, you never did the mullet?

Mm-mm. Never did the mohawk. I did the mohawk. I'd grow this mug out and fucking both sides me and my buddy every summer we'd have a big ass mohawk

but like a mohawk that's like this long right not like a fucking spiked up punk rock or no I've had a mohawk that was like seven inches long I just let it flop to the side that doesn't sound good

I'm gonna be honest with you hey man but hey if you're wearing a hat you could appear like you have hair or you could push it up in there and appear like you don't I mean you're just at the house like who the fuck is there

is gonna be to judge you right yeah fuck it all right Hey, this is a good talk, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, I had a good talk too. Yeah, for sure. Hopefully, maybe we could find out what they want you to talk about that you haven't

talked about on this episode and maybe we could run it back someday or something like that. Maybe I'll open the Rolodex. Maybe we just hit up Young Buck. Let's do it for the local pride, dude. Yeah. You never have a conversation with? Yeah, I've had a conversation with both.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I've had a few conversations with him. That's what's true. Not nothing like too in depth or anything. You know, we fuck with the same. We fucked with the same people for. a minute but nothing like hey I come over your house like nothing like that interesting yeah

yeah okay Ryan up church no jumper see you guys on the world subscribe chicken chicken chicken chicken you wait till you see this let me see this shit