No Jumper - Sada Baby and Adam Get Trippy, Discuss How XXL Played Him, Sauce Walka, Addison Rae & More

Episode Date: September 15, 2020

Sada Baby sits down with Adam for an hilarious interview! This podcast sponsored by https://www.instagram.com/rvde.xtrctx/ & https://www.instagram.com/oneupbars/ Sada and Adam talk about Sada's TikTok success, basketball, Detroit, being scared from a previous label situation, praises his cousin Icewear Vezzo, but also BFB Da Packman, Sauce Waka and more! https://www.instagram.com/sadababy/ https://twitter.com/SkubaBaby https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVA3P-2b45yk9Mtf_2LvmHA/videos ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, phones. If you want to, you don't have to. Okay. Check, check. You know Tusi? I know of Tusi. We just had him in here before you. How was there?

Actually really cool. Super cool guy. Yeah. I know of Tusi. He's super talented. Hell yeah. Singing ass guy. There was, I think,

a clip from his IG Live. He was recording a song live. I'm waiting on him to drop that song because I've seen the clip like 10 times. Really? Yeah. He said he just comes up with all the songs on live, just fucking around.

That's so crazy. If you're a real fan, you can just watch that shit. Isn't that wild? Yeah, it's fire because a lot of people have a whole process and they still come out with lackluster shit. You know, it's funny, though, is that people don't know about, like, mumble tracks or, like, people going in and laying down, like, bass tracks. The first time I've seen...

Oh, okay, we're good. Let's just go live. We could just have this conversation on there, right? Come on. Joe Voken style. You ready? Yep. No jumper.

Coolest podcast in the world. we hear side of baby i felt like i was doing the end instead of the beginning that was really confusing that's what it felt like shift in the matrix right there i don't know my brain's all discombobulated how you feeling i'm feeling good feeling good yeah i'm feeling more than good it's nice to have you in here yeah we were just talking about uh people's recording process and how crazy it is that some artists these days will take their creative process and just let the world view it on instagram live or whatever uh you ever done that you've set of the phone on live while you're doing a verse or is that Are you giving them too much with that?

I did it once. And then when I did it, I did it one time and then when I did it, my phone died. So I felt like it was a lost cause and I was mad so I never tried it again. But like I was, yeah, I was recording the verse in the studio and my phone was on live while I was doing it. And it didn't work out. It went, it went dead. And I was mad because I couldn't see the fucking reactions of what people were saying. But I think I might try it again just off the strength of us having a number.

that conversation. Do you feel like that's giving up something? Like by letting them in on the creative process, are you kind of giving them the sauce? Not necessarily. I mean, it's letting people in on just other sense of them not ever having seen me record before. But it's not really giving them the sauce because you can see some shit all day. I mean you can do it.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you can emulate LeBron in your head and think you out there looking like LeBron Duncan, but now that I'm telling you don't look like LeBron when you don't. Well, the real question, though, is like, if you were to watch LeBron practice, who would that fuck up watching him perform in game for you? Realistically not.

But if you heard every rap, like if you just had, if the fans out there had access to every fucking song you ever made, don't you feel like that would kind of fuck up the process of them? listening to your shit because I see you, especially right now, you got one song and you are fucking jamming it down their throats. Like, yo, check this shit, check this shit. And I feel like it's working too because that song's viral right now. Now, listen. Honestly, since a whole lot of choppers came out, me personally, I haven't did anything to promote it. Really?

That's on your Instagram a bunch of times, right? Yeah, but that's literally the label, sending me videos to my phone and like post this. This guy has such and such followers. Right. Like when we dropped the video, I just dropped it. Like when the video dropped, I didn't even know it was out. I was walking around the hood somewhere. You feel me? And Juan was like, you know the video? I was going crazy.

I didn't. I posted it. And then like, I'm gonna say two and a half, three weeks later, somebody did a TikTok to it, and they just ate it to fuck up. They've been eating it up. It's crazy how far that shit will go because for me as a rap fan, I've been knowing about Sada Baby for a couple years, watching it slow. years watching it slowly blow up. But then when I bring you up, when I said we're doing the

interview, like almost everybody in the office was like, oh yeah, that TikTok is going crazy. That shit is the song right now on TikTok. It is. I think the craziest part for me about that song is that it was two years old. Really? Yeah, I held the song for like, yeah, two years. I did it in Atlanta with Wayno. When me and Wayno first, like, linked up, we was working with a bunch of different producers. And that was just one of the beats that I was sitting on, like I had it. So I recorded it and I came out at the time I had just got my grill. So like my teeth and shit was bothering me. So like the voice and me

slurring was me trying to bite with my fucking teeth. Okay. So that night after I record I come out, I play it and I'm like recording the video, you know what I'm saying? Like listen to the song and bam, whole lot of child. When that part came on like the whole studio like just went crazy. I'm like damn that's that's like I get good reaction to the studio but I'm like that's a crazy reaction in the studio like like people like going nuts nuts and say cheese snatched the video from my page and they posted it and they got like a million views on their page so you just felt like right there that was one of those ones but why did it take so long to put it out timing um i wanted my platforms to be a little bit bigger um a lot of things man i wasn't in the

comfortable space with who i was signed with at the time and i felt like me I didn't want to give them that song because it was other songs that I had released under them and that had got big and I'd never seen no money from it. So it's just certain songs, I'm like, I don't want to, if that song's going to be a blessing for me, I want to see the blessings that this song bring.

So I just held it until I was comfortable and for sure that I would see like basically the proceeds and shit from the song. Right. That's it. So you've dealt with that issue where you haven't really gotten to see the back end of all of these songs?

All of my shit has been, switched over into my name. I got my royalties back and all of that type of shit. So slowly but surely going through the recoup phase and all that type of shit. But yeah, like it's coming in. I got my first royalty check ever this year. Really? You know what I'm saying? And that made me feel good. That must have felt crazy because it's like, oh, I'm a professional musician and I'm making all this money from shows and merch. And then I get checks. But not the actual music, whereas if back in the day, you would be selling CDs out the trunk of your car, making fucking $10 at a time. Hell yeah. So, yeah, I survived off of doing shows.

I survived on doing shows and features for like about three years, basically. Right. You know what I'm saying? Just show, show, shows, features, appearances, walkthroughs, whatever the fuck. That's what I was doing. Like, because until, up until I had signed with, who had signed with, I hadn't seen any money off my own, like BMI and tune core. Like, before I had signed with somebody, I used to get my money on my tune court

and see my checks and all that type of shit. Then when I signed with who I signed with at the time, all that shit stopped. So I really was just living off of shows and features. And so how long did it take for you to get resentful about that and be like, damn, like, why the fuck that I signed this deal? This isn't what I thought it was going to be. I didn't feel some type of way until it was damn near about to be over.

Like my family and everybody around me, they was feeling some type of way from damn near from the beginning. But I never saw it. I never, I felt, Like, I'm the type person. If I fuck with you, I fuck with you. So until you personally, until I personally see it and just all the way know that you don't fuck with me or like you doing some shit that I wouldn't do to you or some shit that doesn't go into us being loyal to each other

or don't agree with my morals, then I'm rocking with you. Right. Feel me, motherfuckers can paint me 17 bad pictures about you. Whatever. They never did it to me. I ain't ever seen them do it to me. They love me. They fuck with me.

So if you don't like them, that's that. But yeah, I just was loyal and loyal and loyal for a long time. And then it just was like, all right, something ain't adding up. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I should be here. I feel like this should be happening. Too many people coming up to me saying why this ain't happened, why you ain't got this, and blah,zee split.

And yeah, I didn't get resentful until the end. I ain't get resentful at all until like the end when I was basically about to buy myself out to deal. Right. And so when you look at that, though, does that make you feel like you right there learned the value of independence? and is that how you want to spend the rest of your career is really like having more of a hands-on approach

because it sounds like right there, you were just hoping to get by on being a good person and assuming that everybody else was going to be a good person in business doesn't always go that way. Yeah, I ain't going to say it made me feel like I would want to be independent, but it for sure made me not trust and double question everything. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like you've really got to show me. that you for me. Like you can't just say it because the motherfuckers was saying it for a long time and it wasn't for me. So you gotta show me that you for me. You have to show me that you for me. And it's really just up to my soul if I'm gonna trust you or not.

But it didn't make me wanna get independent. Like I do wanna do probably like a stretch of my career, like maybe a year or so independent, but I like my label. I like being with the label. It's the shit that labels do that you can't do your own like independent is fun that's beautiful but when you get in a good space and you know I'm saying and it's it's genuine love and cordial relationships I'm I don't have a problem with

being signed to a label you just got to fuck with me right they just got to understand they got to be on the same page as you that's it I promise I feel it what are you smoking on there okay so this is a bachi I was supposed to put the damn goo rock in there but I forgot so because uh we actually have a fucking sponsor on this episode rude exotics they just came through and dropped off all this shit so I got I'm gonna give you some of it okay I'm gonna smoke this shit and I'm also gonna inform you that we have these fucking massive blunts that they roll that they just gave us to what they rolled blunts that are much much larger whoa this filter just fell out that might not be the best endorsement but holy shit these

fucking things are so gigantic so these are definitely getting smoked at some point too if you want in no we go fat them bitches up you know we got shit to talk about I'm here I am here. Hey, let me ask you something. We did our first interview from my fucking game room. You're one of the only people I ever, like, you're definitely the person that I had on a FaceTime interview during the pandemic that got the most views.

That's he. I didn't really even do that many after you because I was sort of like, you know what, I don't like this so much. You ever done mushrooms? No. Well, my, and reason being, because my cousin Lou did some mushrooms when he was in high school. And I forget his homeboy. He had a white homeboy.

They was like best friends and shit. You feel of me? They came home tripping one night, on a school night, off of fucking mushrooms. They mixed their mushrooms and the Wendy's Frosty. And they came home, we fucking played Facebreaker all night and just was fucking, but they was laughing at everything. But you weren't trying to get on their level? I didn't want it. You sure?

Because I have these one-up mushroom chocolate bars. I have no idea how this is legal. Now, watch this. You ain't down? Watch this. You can throw this in the shit milkshake. I had that exact same one-up. thing of chocolate mushrooms and my book bag for like four months and you were

tempted I tried to get that shit to so many people they scared of me oh man I'm not no shrooms dude I like because you're gonna you go eat one hell yeah you eat one right now right now oh no man I'm gonna be fucking double checking all right fuck it um damn I hope I don't freak out though I never ate mushrooms and had to like be on camera before normally it's like me and my girl laying around doing them I ain't never ate a mushroom so let's go let's do it let's do it This is actually viral. Let's go.

Oh. Yeah, come up. I'm gonna give you the whole, the whole chunk there. Yep, I ain't tribut, I used to eat off the flow. It said, actually, I used to eat off the flow. I did. It says one to three, one to three pieces is micro, three to seven is therapeutic and eight to 12 is shamanic. Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna.

So we'll become a shaman if you beat the whole thing. I don't wanna be a shaman. I just don't even understand how this is illegal. Isn't there like a law? Yeah, they just like selling mushroom. I don't understand how this is okay now. You must be able to grow mushrooms that gets you high. Mm.

Or they're just changing the rules, or they're just selling it's illegal, because I always thought about that. I'm gonna call in LA chopper and start a garden with them. Do everything about just start in a bar? And people come into the bar and you sell them illegal drugs, and they can just do that in the bar? Nope. These are me, huh?

You'll get caught. Exactly. That's gonna be air where everybody, you ain't been to the bar, 50 seconds right they got yeah perks everything because one time I went to a bar in Tijuana and they were just selling us coke like at the bar like nothing they just give it like oh yo let me get another one boom they just Tijuana yeah I mean certain countries is not another country it's another world oh yeah you am saying like like shit that they think normal we don't think normal

you know so like them them selling you's coke across the bar is probably as equal as you going to a bar here like let me get double shot uh jack dangis right that's actually that's what sucks is that we live in such a law-abiding country that you can't get away with that kind of stuff because it's cool to know that in Mexico you can just be a bar that sells drugs you pay the cops off you got the cartel protecting you're paying them off probably it's probably not as good as I'm making it sound but at least you have that freedom no no man you're crazy if you think it ain't that simple that's life in places you know what I'm saying even in America still

operations around this bitch and this dirty police officers around here that get a couple dollars and shit you know what i'm saying yeah i know it is how do how far did you get into and you don't have to be super specific but how far did you get into the criminal world before you were like you know what i need to be making money as a rapper and on the legal side of things all right megan Me getting in trouble didn't make me want to rap or didn't make me see a formidable future in rap. I was rapping just because it was some shit that came along by second nature. But as far as me going far off into the criminal world, it's pretty far. I'm a two-time fella.

I can't lead a country. I get caught with or around a firearm. It's a five flat, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I did a bunch of bullshit. I've probably been arrested about 11 times, some shit like that. Yeah, the first, but the first felony I caught, the first, the first one, I didn't do it. Really? Oh, my mom, I didn't do it.

Tell me about it. All right, so I'm at my grandma's house. First and foremost, I used to live in Gross Point. Gross Point is a suburb in Detroit, you know what I'm saying? He's living in Gross Point with my cousin Lou for a little while. You know what I'm saying? Now, I'm not living there now. I'm at my grandma's house.

I'm working at, where am I working at? At the ambiance. It's a little bar on Congress downtown as a bar back. I'm working at ambiance. Police come to my grandma's house. We need you come down to the police stage, talk to us. For what? On Blasey-Spleak date.

Oh, yeah, I can say you a trip. I wasn't there. Close the door. You feel? me, oh, fuck, I wasn't there. They'd come back again, because we're late. I still need you come down to. I'm like, for what?

I wasn't there. I'm not fucking with y'all. I don't want to come to talk to y'all. I ain't been in Gross Point in almost a year. You know what I'm saying? They leave. I get locked up because we got pulled over, like in the burbs somewhere, and we had a fucking bag of weed on us.

So we go to jail. All my homeways get out. I'm still in jail. I'm running why the fuck I'm in jail. Because Gross Point is coming to get me. You get me. So Gross Pointe came and get me from that jail. and take me to the today jail

and break it down to me what the fuck so I'm like what's going on do you know such as yeah I know that nigga are you ever seen this lady before no I never seen me woo-woo well she identified you out of line up saying you snatched her purse

this is my thing about the person that's snatched a purse that's insulting right man I was so fucking man because whoever the actual purse snatcher was didn't even get her purse

so if I was down bed, like I was fucked up to where I was snatching purses. I'm like, Mr. officer, it wouldn't have been no attempt purse snatching. I would have had her purse. Flat to fuck out. I ain't never snatched a purse in my life. Never was that fucked up to where I had to be out like snatching fucking purses. So did you want to be like, officer, I'm capable of a lot worse than that, man. It's so many words I try to tell him, but we go to court, you feel me. I take it to trial. Now my homeboy was working at the ambiance with me. You feel me? So I had him as a witness.

I had the notes, I had like a letter from my boss and all that types of shit saying I was at work that day. The letter was what they called it, in dismissible or whatever the fuck. They couldn't use the letter. They told me because it wasn't laminated. So I said they can't use the letter from my boss because it's laminated. The letter saying that you were at work somehow wasn't admissible? Because it wasn't laminated. As if anything is ever laminated unless you go out of your way to have it laminated.

And then my homeboy, you feel, me? retired it and the lawyer you feel me she hitting him with all the sweet-ass lawyer questions and fucking him up and tripping him up on his answers and then the fucking whole jury was like you know what I'm saying and

I'm gonna stand I'm like man listen if I was gonna snatch a purse I would have took her purse like flat out I don't care how you all I'm saying it but I wasn't there and yeah I fucking lost the case and so you ended up doing how long for that um like six months did that that must have been brutal

like being that you not only didn't do it but you weren't there. There's just no, there's no case. I was pissed. And like the lady was there in court and I'm looking at her ass. I'm like,

but you know you never seen me before. Right. You know, like you know this. And yeah, so that was my first felony. And then the second one was I caught with a gun.

Yep. And I've been Scott Free since. About 2000. When I get off, when I get off papers, I got papers last year. Uh-huh. I got papers last year.

in like August or something like that. So you feel like you've been able to turn up a lot more since then in terms of like advancing your career? Yeah, like, okay, so on probation, you know, there's a lot of guidelines. So my first six months, I was on Tether. I was on, I was on an ankle monitor. And with the ankle monitor, I was fucking, they was letting me travel and shit. You know what I'm saying?

Because, you know, people go to court saying they're a rapper, but then it's like, if you're an actual rapper and you can prove it, like with track racing and shit, like that, they let you go. So that was, I was on tour with an, I'm on the GZ tour, fucking ankle monitor on all kind of shit. Go get through that six months. They take the Hankomiter off. Then I was supposed to get early

released from probation because I paid all my money. They kept me on probation for the full of two years. I had to drop for like the first year, down there, a year and a half. You know what I'm saying? But I still was smoking every day. Right. But how do you pass those piss tests?

Sertogil. What's that? Pectin. Pectin. Yeah, the shit they make jelly with. Jelly and jam. You squirt that? Oh, you just, you eat it.

So it's not like a fucking piss tank thing that you use. It lock your kidney up. Right, okay. It turned your dirty piss into jelly. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah. That's crazy.

Mix it in the fucking Gatorade. And it worked that goes. It's like two bucks. But you were that committed to the weed, huh? Hell yeah, I can't stop smoking weed. I couldn't. That wasn't even the option for me to try to stop smoking weed. Right.

Like, it wasn't. You know what I'm saying? And they used to have to do home visits. So, like, my whole house smelled like weed. You feel what? So, hey, well, it's how you smoking. Listen, bitch, I've been smoking in the house for forever. You can't paint over weed.

You can't spray it out, no nothing. My house is going to smell like weed every time you come here. You got to prove that I don't smoke a weed, which I was still smoking weed. Like, I'd be done just put a blunt off. She pulled that type of shit. You know what I'm saying? But I argue it down. Like, it's in my walls.

You can't move it. Like, you feel I mean? But it was easier to drink this shit than to like get somebody else to piss in a thing. Yeah, it's too much. Were they watching you piss and shit? Was it, would it have been hard to do that? Yeah, yeah. Ain't no, you can't, no wizard or none of that shit.

I take my ass right to Myers, Walmart, give me some, um, Serto gel, throw that bitch in the 32 houser A drink it, drink it again, re-rock it with some water, drink it again. Right. Get the dirty piss out one time, then go on that bitch, a piss clean. But think about how fucked up this system is. So you get a felony from not robbing somebody. And then you get another felony for having a gun on you, which let's be honest, everybody got a gun on them, and everybody realistically needs a gun.

Like, somebody like, you need a gun. Yeah, they tried to make it seem like, okay, so when they pulled up on us, I was in the backseat, my homie car, and I had my arm and my leg on the seat. I got my leg on the back seat because that's how I was riding with the pistol. I ride with the pistol up under my leg, and I'm the only nigga in the back seat. So I got it under my leg. See the police pull up, ooh, they hop out, flash lights in the car, all this dumb ass shit, you feel me? So when he see the gun in his head, he'd think I'd drop the gun. So they

I'm like bro I'm like don't even I'm like come on man I'm like this bitch been sitting here the whole time I ain't moved no nothing so they tried to make that thing but like my arrest for that pistol

was probably the worst arrest Like Just scary as fuck No not even Just the police was dick faces man fucking Hey hey As soon as we get in the

In the county jail You feel me Nick lift my head up So he could take a picture of me on his phone Because I was a non-raper at the time So you take a picture of me on his phone. You feel me?

When we get back there to process in, they throw my fucking music on all the monitors. Like they got fucking Stacy, my rap music video is playing in the jailhouse and niggas come to say, like, all the niggas bang us out of it. And they see me in there and you feel. Are they just fucking with you, or are they trying to make all the other prisoners want to fuck with you? They just trying to make all the, they was making everybody know that I was there. Right. Like.

But you don't want to be hot in there. You want to be low-key. I mean that bitch chilling and I'll talk about niggies just coming in and knew. just coming in, new, new, new, prisoners just coming in, coming in, coming in, and they already know I'm near because they're talking about me up there in process in the book, and like, they up there bragging that they lock me up.

So, like, when niggas get to the cell, they're like, man, I thought they was land, but you really in here. It's just like a conveyor belt of, like, artists and aspiring. Listen, niggas in there auditioning for me, rapping, singing. No bullshit. Simon Cowell sitting on the bench down there.

I'm like, bro, I just want to go home, boy. I'm not about to say, None of you niggas. You feel me? Because at the time, I wasn't even signing people. So that shit just was irritating. But yeah, and then with the case, they fucking, so you know, you go to court. If one party don't show up, you feel me, you got means to get it dismissed.

Right. So the officers, the rest of the officers didn't show up to the first court day. Fucking, my lawyer moved to get it dismissed. The prosecutor said, yeah, you can dismiss it if you want to, Judge. We're just going to go, we're going to go right up another warrant and go find them again. So they wanted to, you feel, put that shit on me as much as they could to try to derail me. Right. It ain't worked, though.

It ain't work, because you've been coming up crazy over the past couple of months in particular. It feels like I actually saw Angelie Yee said it too, so I felt like I was in good company because you were the number one when we were talking about people that we thought were going to be on it, that we were really surprised weren't on the double Xcel cover? Let me see it on the platform because I went live and voiced my displeasure about that. Yes, I mean it. I stand on it. It's fully motherfuckers on that XXL list that can't fuck with me.

We're not the same caliber. You niggas, pallets is not as extensive as man. I got 68, 69 different videos on YouTube with a million or more views. It's motherfuckers on the XXL list with one video that grossed over a million views. Right. With songs I never heard. And then there's people I've never heard of. And I'm in states that they're from all the time.

Right. You hear me? It ain't about me saying them niggins and shit, but, and the motherfuckers that is on there, that I do got respectful, and you know what I'm saying, that I felt like actually deserved it,

like a Polo G, a cowboy, a ride wave, or in their league chipper, that's bull, you know what I'm saying? But you motherfuckers who I don't know and I know other motherfuckers don't know? Because, yeah, yeah. A little insulting at somebody who's really out here.

It irked me, it hurt me, because that was one of the things in my career that I really wanted. You know what I really wanted? be on the XS Hill. And they could throw you on next year, but it's like, come on. Yeah, next year, next year, I will purposely. You feel a little late.

Next year, I'm purposely, like, I'm straight. Really? I'm cool. So you wouldn't want to go. Because you look me in my head twice. He'll tell you, when I went this time, I really didn't want to do it. You know what I'm saying? I didn't like, when I went this time, I didn't even want to do it for real.

You know, I answered the questions, you know, but I kind of felt how they was going to swing it. I felt, and low and behold, the lips popped up, and his motherfuckers, I didn't even know it was breathing on the list. I felt like in a weird way, though, the Big Sean Posse track, I felt like that was like the same type of thing where I was like, all right, this is exactly the platform that this dude needs to be put on and needs to be put alongside all these other Detroit legends right now. This is good because this cements the legacy a bit. Yeah, I love shine for that, man.

Like I told, I tell people and keep telling people, if it wasn't for shine, people like Eminem would never be on a song with people like me and Drago and payroll and cash doll. Never ever. Would it never happen if Big Shine didn't do it. That's a big thing. For him, I feel like in terms of him building his legacy as well, people will always look at him as damn. Like he really gave back to a lot of up-and-coming dudes right there.

You're going to have respect and love for Shine because as big as he got, as far as he went, he always come home. Big Shine in Detroit every year. November, giving away turkeys in the public. He don't got five punch of security guards, no none of that. He's at home every year, you feel me, giving back, showing love. The first time I mentioned his name, and it was in a negative light, he reached out to me. The first time, as soon as you feel me, somebody asked me about him, and I didn't have any good

answers for them about him, and he reached out to me, and we explained ourselves to each other and built a rapport. That's dope, because when you're an artist that big, and you really don't need to reach out to the streets. No, have to. But in a lot of circles, it's expected of you. And I get it, you know what I'm saying? And that's why I try to.

Like, if you're just a weirdo, an asshole, and I don't give a fuck about your run or why people bobbing in here to your music, I don't care that you're from where I'm from. I'm not reaching out. But I'm not blind. I'm not deaf. A lot of people make good music.

You know what I'm saying? So I can't act like I don't see you if you're not a weirdo, If you're not just making no bullshit music, if you're not an asshole and that type of shit, why wouldn't I reach out? Why wouldn't I at least say what up? Why wouldn't I at least like your picture, comment on it say anything? Like I, you feel me?

And that's just what I try to do. Like it's a bunch of young artists that don't got shit to do with my brand. They're not undermead on none of that, but I show them love. You know what I'm saying? Respond to them, do verses for them, or post their music on my story, all that type of shit. It's not hard, man. It don't take that much energy. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I have my day is where I don't want to post shit, but I can post it. So, we're just responding and just responding and acknowledging, the acknowledgement don't take no energy at all. Detroit's having a moment for sure. And you're kind of like one of the main faces of that right now. And Flint. And Flint, right. And, yeah, is Detroit to death or all that type of shit? But, yeah, Flint, I see y'all.

You know, I hate Rio, Pac-Man, Y&J, Louis Ray. You feel me? Yeah, the little white boy here, nigger, I can't think his name. Yeah. Yeah, y'all, I'm fucking with Flint. I used to live in Flint for a year or two. And they just got that settlement from the federal government for the water thing, right? Time.

You know, the pandemic, pandemic, pandemic, you know, they've been dying from water for about four years now. Right, that's nice to see that that could actually happen. Right. But, yeah, is that crazy? Do you feel like you are, you know, because you're on, like, very good terms with the vast majority of everybody that's kind of blowing up out of that. Do you feel like there is that communal vibe where everybody is actually like, you know,

when we look at like Atlanta at a certain point or Texas at a certain point, there was always moments where there'd be a bunch of artists coming up and they would all just uplift each other and then you just see like a certain city or a certain scene that maybe hadn't had the light on it so much, just get a totally different level of exposure? I think we had the point to where people are looking at us

like they used to look at them other cities. You know what I'm saying? But just like, okay, It wasn't too really well known. They probably ain't extra well known about Detroit, but to us it looked like everybody in Atlanta was brotherly loved. They don't like each other. Right.

Like if you down there in that mix, they don't like each other. But what they always did was do what it made, do what made sense for some money. You know what I'm saying? So like in Detroit, I ain't the best of friends with everybody. Everybody ain't all brotherly, weatherly, but yeah, everybody present. And I can't act like I don't see that everybody.

present. We are present when they come to Detroit right now. You know, pull it from my side a little bit stronger than others, but yeah, they're everybody present in Detroit, you know what I'm saying? You can go a lot of different ways and get you averse from a neighbor from Detroit and your fan base would not be disappointed with you. For a long time, it was kind of like a short list when they would talk about Detroit. It would be like, how you feel about Eminem, how you feel about Dave's Lof? It was a pretty short list, you know? Yeah, we got, we got, we got variety. We got more than variety, man. a lot of us just doing our thing. And I'm more than proud of motherfuckers

because a lot of us was around each other when we was fucked up, seeing each other on the scene, broke and all that type of shit. So you just see motherfuckers having their way is more than fun, man. See people take care of their people. Motherfuckers, mama's extra happy, ain't working. And you know what I'm saying?

Niggas, kids got all the clothes and toys. They want, all this shit is fun right now. Yeah, I guess like maybe on a more mainstream level, they're not seeing it necessarily the way that we are, where we see all these. people coming up but maybe they are sort of are more of an underground level like when we talk about like Rio and Vezzo and even Doug obviously is that a huge year right that's oh that's honestly probably my favorite Detroit rapper besides you for sure like having him on the podcast a couple

months ago is fired to me that's my blood cook yeah he is I'm my favorite rappers too yeah you and him bring very similar levels of energy to the track where like just Potent, lyrically, and energy-wise. He fucking retired. I'm retired. You know, when you naturally retired, you don't got to, you don't got to search for. You know what I'm saying? Like, that shit be there.

Like, our brain's different. And motherfah's got to understand that, like, if it take you a long-ass time to make a song, you probably need not to rap. If you need too much shit that goes into your creative process of making the song, you probably need not to rap. Nick like this, nigga like me, a walk in this door, walk out there, be done came up with faux fab bars. Right.

Just off looking at some shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to rap about so much shit that I think to hear tonight when I go to the studio. That's just how it is, man. Like, me and him, we make good music together, but he makes good music on his own, and I make good music on my own, too. Like, our energy always going to be there because it was a real relationship before it was a rap relationship.

You know what I'm saying? Like, he was just my cousin. That was the big rapper. And he ain't never treat me like, nigga, nothing other than family. Right. Always. No matter what he had going on. you always was tapped in with me.

For sure. One person we didn't mention, which is one of your most unlikely songs to be one of your biggest songs, is BFB. Pac-Man? Isn't that crazy? He'd a goat.

You probably did not see that being one of your biggest songs. No, I didn't see, I didn't see me being the reason motherfugglers would look at him because I've been listening to Pac-Man for a minute. Really? Like I said, I'd be a fool or I'd be lame to act like I don't see or hear nothing that's coming out of my state.

Right. Pac-Man Ben Coe. I ain't make that nigger fire. He had a video on No Jumper like a year before that song came out, which is crazy that I had seen it and totally forgot about it. Right, he been fired. Fat motherfucker can rap, man. He really can rap. He can entertain and it's not a character with him. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's him. You call him right now. You probably going to say some wild shit when you answer the phone. call you sexy or something. Like, he just, he crazed. That's Pac-Man. But I was a fan of him, and we was just trying to work just schematics out of the song for a long time. Like, we had been in contact for a minute, you know what I'm saying?

So we just happened to be in the same place. And I'm like, man, I'm going ahead and knock the shit out instead of just keep on pushing it to the same. So you guys were together when you did that? Yeah, we do. Okay. He already had the song done. Right. So his verse was actually just one long verse.

He cut it in half. Oh, okay. So mine was one long verse, too. and they just mixed it up into four verses. Right. But yeah, we was in Texas. We was in Houston. That's fire.

We was in Houston. We recorded this shit and shot the video the same night. You don't think that the HIV positive shirt was a little much? God. No, they got shit to do with me. You know, that be, that's what a lot of motherfuckers get shit fucked up. What you're worried about what he were for? Unless he got on, if I got there and he got on the C-thoo, you feel, with his dick out and all that type of shit.

I wouldn't be surprised. And I, yeah, we wouldn't have been there. You know what I'm saying? We didn't sing with dog hat on and pull it right to fuck off. Right. No, this ain't what we're here for. It's like a rave or something. But is this you being more open-minded towards stuff like that than you would have been

earlier in your life? Because for some reason, I'm picturing inside a baby, just, you know, hanging out in the crib. And one of your homies shows up with an HIV-positive shirt on, you might be like, nah, you got to go home. We might. We probably wouldn't, we probably wouldn't have them home, but we'd let that nigger have it all day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he'd have got jokes galore.

all day. So you had to open your mind a little bit? Yeah, yeah, man. Mone fucking, he'd have had to, listen, one of my homeboys pulled up with an HIV shirt on, you gotta get the fuck on. Like right now, we're gonna get these jokes, and then you gotta tell us what's going on.

You feel of me? Like, is you serious? Because if you are serious, why are you telling the world? And then for two, yeah, no. But no, he had the hoodie on, man. She was funny, man. We all was laughing at it. Right.

And we, I was already familiar with him wearing the one shirt. That's his sense of humor. Yeah. Still positive. Like, you're funny as hell. You know, I grew up with a lot of people who would make jokes like that. It's just not really that common in hip hop, I feel like. No, it's not.

Anything he's doing right now is uncommon. He don't get dressed. Do you notice that? Yeah, that's true. He just got to pose it up and whatever. Pac-Man don't get fucking dressed. He wears swimming trunks and flip-flops everywhere. He's the only rapper I've ever interviewed who just posted photos of him with

random employees like one of the editors and like funny he's just posted up with them with his because he not going to quit his job until he gets some real money that's what a lot of is fuck up man he didn't get one good song they that mean quit your job right i mean quit your job bro you better make sure you got used to consistent money the mailman job you're a government employee you don't want to let that go is consistent money until until he got consistent cheese does more than the cheese that he's making from being a male man he don't need to quit right you know what I'm saying and is in his biggest and as big as people would like to think he's He is.

He ain't that big yet. So he still can deliver meal to all white people and they not know that he's a rapper. Still grind. Yeah. Stack your cheese up. Yeah. He'd a Adam Sandler a rap. You feel I mean?

I can see that. You know, Adam Sandler, Riches Hill. He makes himself the butt of the joke. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You know, he lets you kind of laugh at him. But meanwhile, he's also getting you to pay attention to him. Exactly. And you ever see, you can Google Adam Sandler right now.

You ain't never seen Adam Sandler with no expensive. nothing on in public. Hoops, crocflops, gas station sunglasses, long-ass t-shirts. You ain't never seen him with expensive nothing on in public, and he's richer than damn there every other actor who'll be acting. Right. That would make you think about just getting rid of the chains and the ameer. No, not me. No.

Not me. I'm from that. Wait, way, way. You're going to go ahead. You're going to understand. I ain't had no money. You feel me? Yeah.

I want lobster burger. All that dumb ass shit. It's expensive it up. I'm not tripping. Yeah, what kind of stuff do you spend money on that actually brings you happiness? Lobster Burger. Damn, that sounds pretty good. Video games.

Video games. Hell yeah. I love my fucking... You got Matt Vee bucks? What? I was V-Buck rich. I spent on fucking money on God damn on VC and... Listen, if a game got add-ons, I'm there.

Right. I'm there. I want the skins, nigger. I want the new theme music, nigga. All that shit. Like, I'm playing... We was playing Neepin Speed. Right.

I'm like damn this shit fun I want the little racing chair and the steering wheel I get it get the race chair and steering wheel my cousin put together for me you feel I love with it you feel me shit fun to sell

Nevis speed heat the new one I get to buy other racing games every other racing game ass to me terrible not fun you feel me is extra serious tire pressure and I'm like bro

I'm gonna paint this bitch you feel me put motor in it and nigga let's ride so I fucking to pay $800 for a racing game chair for one game. Right. Hey, I respect this. Yeah, so it's just like, yeah.

But I, I love buying video games and I love buying basketball clothes because I play basketball a lot. And when I was younger, I couldn't afford none of the good hoop shoes or the sweet shorts and the ankle braces and all that shit. So when I go hoop now, yeah, I'm fresh as hell. Mitchell and that shorts, matching tights. I got some George and jogging pants to walk in the gym with, you hear me? I might be hooping in some shoes that just came out, all the type of shit, yeah.

I'd be acting like I'm in the NBA. Treat the gym like the club. You got to go there and flex. Why, I'd be fresh. He's hell hooping. I ordered piston shirts with my name on the back. All the type of shit. Yeah, I ain't, yes.

But I ain't the nigga with all the shit on that can't hoop, though. You feel? I'm going to look sweet and bush ass. So the lane sipping and the weed smoking ain't slowed you down on the court? I'm just a different built type of niggins. You just fight through it. I don't know what it is, but when we get out there, I'm hooping. The cardio is still strong?

Hell yeah. Okay. I'll be straight down it. Hey man, some people have just built for this. I just watched this Usain Bolt documentary. His body different. He could have been doing anything. He was a superhero, you know?

Like, dog body different. Like, he's the only nigger that you feel, he's running 20, 20 plus miles per hour. Right. and can pose, like posing, me and running 20 miles away. Oh, yeah, that one photo where he just looks at the camera? How you had time to look at that camera, smile at it, and don't lose your footing? You know, when you're doing shit that fast, you feel, me? Like, you're like on a bike or running or anything treadmill.

The moment you break concentration, one second, catastrophe. You hear me, you fall in anything. It's like, not mirror. Just fell out the little motorbike the other day. Right. You see, he lifted his hand one time. I think he tried to fix a dread or something. Shmach.

Can't do it. So for him to be able to break, focus and smile at the camera and then still win the race by like four steps, he's different. You're saying different. The crazy thing is that he can describe, like, in that 10 seconds that he's running, he can describe, like, this whole emotional roller coaster of all the shit that was going through his head as he did that, where it's like he's, oh, I looked over here and I seen him doing this, and I realized, like, oh, okay.

So I really started to go for it. And he's, like, describing so much that's going on in his head in that 10 seconds. Like, these dudes reach a completely different level as athletes. Once you're that fast, that experienced, I guess. Yeah, well, he was the fastest motherfucker since who. Michael Johnson? Yeah, I don't know who the guy was before him. I think it was Michael Johnson.

There's people nipping at his heels who were messing with his records now. It was Johnson, right? Yeah, it was Michael Johnson. Right. The guy who said the record the night of the centennial bombing. Yeah, Michael Johnson. You feel like you could have been a great athlete

if you had taken your attention and put it in that direction? I had scholarships. Really? For basketball? Yeah, for basketball. I could do. I go with the college.

I just, you feel me? The school part. This was never fun. School was never fun. You just couldn't handle it? No, and I can't really just blame it on my grades because I got locked up my 12th grade year, so I don't know what I would have did.

Right. But yeah. Saginaw. Valley State, Grand Valley State, Saginaw Valley State, Grand Valley State, Texas Corpus Christi, and a bunch of little juco shit. Right. Yeah, I coulda. Coulda.

Wanted to. And shit, other shit was happening. And I really ain't know what I wanted to do around the town. I just was living. A lot of guys seem to, like, realize at a certain point, like, damn, like all this exercise and weight training and being in the gym all this time. Like, ah, it's crazy, look, because there is that dynamic where, like, the rappers are looking at the ballplayers, like, ball players like wanting to be them and the ball players are looking at the rappers wanting to be them.

I mean right now you could do it though. Right. Do what you want, man. I think Dame just dropped the song. Dame Lillard just dropped the song today. Yesterday, uh, called Kobe or something. I got a song with Damien Lillard. I feel like the basketball players look at the rappers and I'm like, damn, I wish I could like

do drugs and drink in public and fucking be publicly messy with girls and shit. And like as an athlete, you're not really allowed to do all that much of that. It's frowned upon heavily. But shit, that's the life they push them in, so I don't know why they don't like them to do it. You know what I'm saying? The fucking, the team meetings and dinners, they be having fucking coniac and shit. So, you know. I know LeBriand have a fucking dinner every All-Star year.

Right. Every All-Star weekend, he had a fucking dinner. You feel me? And only certain niggas that he fucked without the league. And they're turning up. Shit. You watch the last dance, right? Yep.

That's documentary ever. You know what? The worst scene got me was when Jordan and Pittman and them were all just sitting around cracking beers. And they're so hyped on just drinking these ice cold beers. And I'm like, I've never seen grown men. I just want a cold one. I'm thinking about this all day. Never seen grown men as excited about beer in my whole fucking life.

But do you see them drinking beer in the locker room? No. That scene wasn't, no. That was some kind of press thing. They always suits on them. I'm just saying it's back then that shit was you could do it. Right. And there's nothing wrong with it.

Why the fuck? You ain't got to be, you know what I'm saying? Like, When's the last time you cracked a beer? Shit, we can go. Yeah? I drink a Modelo from time to time because I, you feel?

I'm in touch with my Mexicans. Right. Yeah, I ain't tripping on a beer. No, it was a Corona. I had drunk, I had drunk Corona with my DJ. So my DJ is a drunk. Yeah, the Mexicans are very loyal to the Coronas. Anytime you pull up in a Mexican, those are there.

My DJ, not Mexican, he's just a drunk. They're like fucking Coronas. My Mexicans is really Mexicans. They live in Arvin. You ever heard of Arvin? Arvin, California. It's in California. Population like 12 people, you know, I know eight of them.

And they just live out there with mad guns? Bunch of fucking guns and Modello and Michelalla and fucking, yeah, Buchanan's and Pineapple. Yeah. And Arvin, California. Arvin's right next to fucking Lamont and right by weed patch and... Right. All right, quick mention from our sponsor. because keeping it light isn't working.

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Visit Hulu.com slash woke for more. Did you know who Addison Ray was before she danced to your song? No. That's that one white girl that you posted. She's like the biggest person on TikTok, I'm pretty sure. No, I didn't know. Is that the one that was looking sad? No, I think she's looking pretty happy.

You posted on Instagram like a few posts ago, and she's the little white girl, and she's dancing, just having a good time. Oh, the one who jumped off the bed. 60 million on there or something. Yeah, the one who jumped out of the bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know who she was. But I know my little cousins, they had a bunch of shit to say about it. She's doing it wrong. Yeah, my little cousin Lulu, man.

She's, they're like protective over me and shit you feel me. Right. That must be weird for them to see, like, the other side of TikTok starting to embrace something that up to that. That point was like you're theirs, you know. I'm gonna tell you how deep you got for them. They was like, you got me fucked up. They wouldn't made a group. They caught each up the little whoops.

Quick as hell. I swear to God, they sent me a routine, because they already did a TikTok to it, but they made the group and sent me the routine and shit. And yeah, man. Yep. So I didn't know, but they know all the kids know. You feel like some other girl woman just posted it.

She had like 28 fucking mirror. got like 28 fucking million followers on Instagram. She just put it on her page on Instagram. How does that feel, though, because it's so weird to have your song be popular in a way that is so detached from you, where they're enjoying it, but they don't need to know anything about you to be enjoying it. Like, yeah, no, no, yeah. But it's still good. It's still good for the growth. It's not bad at all.

No, yeah. You feel me? But, yeah. They still are going to go head on with Spotify and listen. comments and they're like did y'all just do the peewee hermin and i'm like i'm like it's now formerly known as the scuba the peewee herman that's what they called it hey is pee weirman to laugh yeah oh yeah we got tap in bro he got his whole career canceled just because they caught him jerking off in a movie theater that's normal shit it was like i think it was a adult movie theater he ain't out the

i was the only the niggins they didn't even have online porn back then like like i mean so what he could the video store though hey pee we where you it hey look gang get him in a video or something that'd be hard tap in and then you say you're bidsquad nigga everybody horny hey it don't matter name come on come on I need you in the video God that would be so weird to get caught doing these days

and I'm gonna ask some bitches for you you ain't got the jack off but he was like a kid's star too so him jerking off in the movie theater was sort of like extra controversial you know at the time he got caught jacking off he wasn't no kids cards so shit right kids was growing as hell they was jacking enough. They probably ain't get it. You can't jack off. Right. Yeah, man.

No. Thank God we live in the age in and in porn where you don't have to worry about that shit, you know? Porn free as hell. That's weird to imagine that we are both too young to have gone through the phase in life where you had to go to the video store to cop some porno. That feels so weird to think about doing. No, I remember I was watching the porno and my daddy stills in the house. So I'm thinking I got the shit low enough. And I just, I heard his TV go mute. He was like, hey, dude.

I'm like, man, what you watching back there? Oh, shit. I'm like, nothing. I was so fucking scared. I scared as hell. That fuck me up that he can hear it, though. But I'm so retarded. I'm not knowing that like, yeah, he's in the front room,

but my bedroom is like, Like the wall is next to the room. Oh, man. Man. He probably muted his TV because he was talking on the phone or something. And I heard. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, my daddy.

I ain't never admitted that to today. Damn. That's crazy. He ain't going to watch the interview, though. I'm not going to lie, though, when I was, like, 16, me and my friends went to Montreal, all the IBMX bikes, and we went into the dirty magazine stores, and we caught mad dirty magazines. So, wait, y'all went to Canada?

Yeah. How has Canada shaped? Because it's close to here too? It's just the entire landmass above the USA in North America, more or less. So what we close to? I mean... That's the city? If you want to drive like 30 hours north right now, you'd be in like Vancouver.

No. Oh, from Detroit? In Detroit, Canada's here right on our... I'm from right outside Boston, so for us we could like drive however many hours north and we'd just be right in Montreal. all no we we we drive across a bridge so it's not an hour like not even a hour oh yeah because you guys are much more right yeah hey that's all you got to do right that's all Canada he's showing him a picture of North America and Mexico is the shit down there yeah it's a fucking it's a little bridge right you can't just go I went I've been to Canada once right how old we I was a kid

I was Ashley my cousin Ashley who out there her mama took us right yeah me that's he We went to fucking, wherever we went to Canada, I just remember strawberry popcorn. They had that. They have it. I'm sure we could find some of that for you if anybody wants to send us some. Do you remember, or how bad does it upset you that you can't leave the country now? And is that ever going to go away? All right, so the only reason that would bother me is because I won't go to Tokyo.

I just think Tokyo looks sweet at night times Crazy I want to go But I kind of don't want to go Tokyo because like I smoke too much weed Oh yeah that's bad for that It's

They're super strict with the weed over there Like you go in jail for a year Or something about a gram That's one of the only places I've gone where I didn't even have it in me To try to sneak a weed pen in No I didn't even try it

No I'm not playing I wouldn't even play with them So like just know how much I like weed I would see if I would bite the bullet Just to do that And give yourself a break You know

Give yourself a week where you're not smoking. You might like it. You like for what? To go to Tokyo. See how the Japanese are living? Like wheat. You like it that much, huh?

I love wheat. And then the other place would be Italy. Like, I want to taste, like, real Italian food. Because they say, like, our Italian food is, like, sweet. They say, oh, but there it's, like, more bitter. And you feel me? I just want to taste the difference in it. Like, the cheese is stronger or some shit.

Yeah, definitely. I'm trying to think of where I would recommend that you go that I've been on earth. I don't know, you should go to Tulum. That's where A-D's going this weekend. I was just talking about that. You haven't been to Mexico, though? Mm-mm. You should definitely go, though.

It's hectic. It would be so funny of me and you were sitting here talking about Tulum right now. Yeah. Wait, yeah, you do, right? You do it these days. You used to not need it. What the fuck is a hand's license?

Oh, that shit is you going to need for the airport in the minute. We could sneak you in. Maybe you can get an exception because you're a rap star. A whole lot of choppers on the hands. They need like facial recognition. Maybe you just get in real good with the cartel and they could sort of escort you in. You never did any work with them in your prior life? You don't got an old cartel connect you can call on.

Yeah, they come, they come. Right. I'm straight on them. No. It's a bad connection to have. Probably not, though. Probably a little too deep in the streets. Maybe you don't want that at this point in your life.

I just feel like you pissed them off? Yes. Like, if you pissed them off, you feel me, and I got a tendency to piss people off. Right. And I just know we ain't going to be scared of them, niggas. But I just know they're going to win. You seen Ozark?

You don't want that to be your life. That's what I'm trying to tear you. The fucking Ozarks, man. Like, no, man, they're serious. Right. No, I don't know. No, they could have you just posted up in the woods, forced to embezzle money through a strip club.

Actually, we'd be kind of lit, though. back a fucking casino or the other water I feel like if you started a strip club though that like the side of baby strip club would be people would be coming from all around the fucking country and world to support that business I think if I started anything and like put my name on it

and like made it something like right about now it would be something that's hot so I'm thinking like was everybody go first and make a restaurant right restaurant's a pretty good entry point or like a close So we need the restaurant where you can smoke. Hmm.

How's the attitude on smoking where you live in Detroit? It's legal. They're pretty cool about it now? We ain't legal in Detroit. That must be nice. Change your pace since when you were a kid, huh? It's been street legal though. Like, they ain't never really gave a fuck about weed.

Really? In New York City, where I live for a long last time, smoking weed was actually treated like this grave, fucking offense. So to be there sitting on the porch, smoking the blood now, is, Weird. No, the first time I went to New York, it still was strict. Right.

I was smoking, I wasn't even smoking yet. I was rolling the blunt on the sidewalk. And somebody had just talking about, you gotta watch out with the weed. Like, they'd be tripping. I'm like, niggie, I'm rolling a blunt. It was the kind of thing where everybody was smoking, but if you saw somebody smoking a blunt, they'd be very like head on swivel, like, trying to, always having to look around and shit. Because we really were looking out for the cops, which is hard to remember now.

Listen, when I say, I looked up while I was rolling the bus, blunt and the paddy wagon was rolling up I seat them I'm like I think about the niggas I looked down by the time I looked up I heard the door shut and then they was walking over to me right hey what you got oh oh you got a little blunt there huh yeah I'm like he like yeah just don't don't spark it I'm like yeah y'all are different in New York you didn't get arrested though no he got back in the paddy wagon that's nice but like just defected all I was went to jail for rolling that bitch Yeah, I was scared.

Let me ask you this. Are you Soss family now? What you mean? Like in my son of Soss? I mean, I just see you being very, very good terms with him, doing songs with some of those. That's my brother. Right. I love Soss to death.

How long you known him and where did that relationship come from? Our relationship came from his uncle Twine and my homie blind then want me to make my present. To make my presence in Houston a little bit stronger. And I had been met Sanchi like years ago. Like Sanchi be so damn high. The night I met him, I'm telling him I'm from Detroit. He's like, nigga, you ain't from Detroit. He's like, nigga, you know Sada Baby?

I'm like, nigga, I'm Sada Baby. Damn, man. Like Sada Baby is like this legend. It's like it was a myth or something. Not that it's a person, it's an idea. Yeah, he's a specter. He's like, nigga, he ain't pretty trait, you know, Sada baby,

and I'm like, nigga, that's me. And why he's saying that, like my video was on the TV, we was in Austin, like side by side west. So how he's saying that my video on the TV? I'm like, nigga, look, look at me. Right. But it just was a demand for me in Houston

for a long time. I never went. So I finally went to Houston this year and just wanted to see what it was. First time I went, took like 30 people with me. We had fun. We liked to buy it. We liked everybody there.

It was cool. You feel me? Then fucking, me and my brother DT, we went back. And you know, shit, we was around Sosa. We still be around Sosa and his family and friends when we down there. And yeah, it's just, it's really a street relationship, man, because they got a lot of business going on down there. And we made sure she's straight with each other.

It's like a real friendship and shit. Yeah, that's my dog, man. That's my daughter. On songs, you guys. I got a label. We both bosses. Your energy level meets on kind of the same. Y'all in the hurry shit, man. It's just hard for me to get him in the studio

because he got a lot of shit going on. You know what I'm saying? It's hard for us to get in there. But when we get in there, yeah, motherfuckers, outside of what, you if you hear me, motherfuckiest thing, he had character and all that types of, and he can rap. And he's smart guy.

He's smart as fuck. But he turns it on when it comes time to do the fucking skits. Oohie! He just fucking, boom! It's like a reference. Whistling promo, like people, people probably think he's always like that, which he is kind of like that a lot. But I've seen the chills sauce too.

He got it, he got a regular voice, you know what I'm saying, where y'all just kicking and just kicking and just talking, woo-woo. But when he, when he, when he, like he said, when he cut this shit on, when he, when he's all the way there, yeah, it ain't, it ain't nothing, it ain't nothing like, like, fake about it. Like, he, he, all the way there. Like y'all'll be in a gallery. His bitch, he'd be bouncing around that motherfucker. You feel him?

He sladding on his knees. All, I'm telling you, doing karate kicks and shit. Like, that's him. That's him. That's him. Just like, when I'm all the way turned up, we'll be in the current. I just scream.

Right. You feel, me? I scream out of no fucking where. That's what it is to be a rapper. You get to live in a way that allows you to still have that sort of childlike energy and to express it. Because if you were a stockbroker, that just would not be accepted.

for you to be screaming into your phone and like all this just having fun you know like it sort of just allows you this freedom you see we just look back there what ain't shit back there's some shrooms yeah i'm wondering how much that's affecting me too i do feel kind of good yeah my legs feel good i need some drink i need to drink oh lo laura can we uh grab a water too ain't nothing back there so you're enjoying your first Shroom experience here. It's like Joe friggin' Rogan. I do feel it though. We're out here, bro. We can pull some coke out too.

You ever tried coke before? What did you say? You said to go? I got you, Rich. No, look, it's cool. You get food? You know, I ain't gonna laugh to you. See, that's big fish. I can't lie to bro about nothing because he had tried, but if it's something that we both see it from the air and be like, no, we're going to like, no. Like, just fucking sandwiches, they just tried to make us eat. Fucking cheese blocks on it. Like, man. Cheese blocks.

I'm telling him no. The whole time. to the sandwich. He gets a sandwich anyway. He opened it up. The sandwich looked terrible. Like, bro, get the fucking sandwich bag. I think that you mentioning the mushrooms has now made me realize how fucked up I am off of mushrooms. I am 100% feeling it.

I'm not mad about it at all. Because a lot of times when I'm doing the podcast, I'm very, like, intense. I'm only on caffeine. But right now I'm smoking a ton of weed. Like I can feel the shrimp. Huh? Like monster?

Well, coffee. Energy drinks. Whatever. I drink coffee. You do? Yeah, the little Starburg joint. But are you on it like you need it every morning when you wake up? I try to act like I do, but I don't.

You don't really need it? Yeah, like the morning stir around, like, yeah, give me a coffee. Right. But I don't think I really need it, though. Right. I need like a morning shit. That's my, I got to take a shit in the morning. But if you haven't taken a shit yet and you drink coffee or smoke, there it go.

Yeah, I need a cigarette in the morning, too. Oh, you need a cigarette too? Okay. Yeah, cigarette in the morning on the toilet. What do you smoke? Uh, shorts, Newport. Okay. Nice.

Yeah, yeah. I don't understand the other kind of cigarette. Really? Yeah, like, what the fuck is the point of the bitches? But they know they're not menthol. The menthol's the whole point? Yeah. Like, I try, man, I try to smoke a regular cigarette.

That shit killed me. That's a bro, man. What is this? Oh, man. I feel like I was around Lil Zan one time in this one vlog that the fans will remember. He smoked non-mentthal? Him and his homies. No, they had the menthol.

Native American spirits, which are like the loudest cigarettes, like not filtered. That shit is so gross. And they were both smoking two in their mouth at the same time. And I was trapped in this fucking Jeep or whatever with them. And they were just chain smoking two at a time. And after that, it made me never want to have a menthol sig again. How high are you to where you need to visit? You know, you get a hat is when you want the cigarette. Right. So how high are you? You need two. of the strongest cigarettes at the same time. Right.

I don't understand. And that kind of traumatized me. I bummed a new port off a girl the next week at Roll Aloud, and it, like, brought me back to how toxic that fucking air was in there. And I was like, damn, I feel like I can never smoke a menthol again, but, I mean, I still do here and there. You ever did it? I tried it on the podcast one time.

I didn't really understand it. You're into that? So look. I have never, I feel I've never met a rap guy who told me that they were into, I had two face. Damn. Wow. Okay.

Me and my nigga being, man, we used to act like he'll billies. We used to, this. This is what we used to do. No, no bullshit. We used to, summer, we just take our shirt off. You feel, we just go get a case of beer. Mind you, we're 17, 16, 17. He just got, he's like, he did, the teenager that got the car and shit.

Parents always leave him to house, you feel, I mean. So, nigga, just me, him and the dog. Take our shirt, I'll go get a case of beer. You feel him, a little sunfire. What, we fucking make the sunfire? Ponyiac Sunfire. The car was little as you. him.

Go get the case of beer. We get our chew, you feel me, put the chew in our mouth, and we go to front line, nigga, throw the football with our shirt off, and they get doing chew drinking beer with the dog. Damn. I'm out of drive, that's on the east side. You feel me? So, goddamn, yeah, everybody's rap ass here.

Yeah. What are you doing? Just throwing football and doing chew. Do you ever think you might have been happier back when you didn't have shit going on? Or how does that compare in terms of your overall happiness level that you were feeling at that time versus how you feel these days. I've been as happy as then now. For sure.

You've always just felt satisfied and positive about life, or you don't feel like you were trying to escape something back then? I never blamed shit on nobody. So whatever, like all the positions I was in, it was my fault. Really? Yeah, yeah. Niggas depressed before all that type of shit. I don't know which way is up.

Yeah, but that shit was nobody for a man. So, yeah, I enjoy life as much as I could, man. man I was broke you better you better fast something to do you can't be mad and broke right yeah you mad and broke you ain't going nowhere I had fun I was broke there was a certain joy in it to you everybody love me it's all you feel a motherfucker get me drunk get me high well that's interesting though because you could be broke and feel like a victim of this institutional poverty or you could be broke and view it as just you know whatever it's just that's how it is that's how life is I was just like I wasn't good at shit that the niggas was good at

Right. You feel me? I don't know how I need this is to sell a bunch of dope. You hear me? I tried it. I fucked it up. I don't know how niggas keep selling weed without smoking the weed up. Like I kept smoking the weed up.

Right. So I got to say, yeah, I've been around it. I saw pounds. You feel, been around bricks or other type of shit. I just, I wasn't a good trapper. But the nigga was trapping. Have you pulled up to a studio session right now and there's a kilo on the table? Are you, like, I don't want to be around that?

I can't take that kind of. I can't take that kind of risk being in this environment. If this a brick on the table, we're about to see what y'all selling that bitch. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Dick Steele, man. Ain't nobody retired.

Fuck you, man. I want to know who, who is. Who got a brick here? Right. Shit, nigger. They ain't just got bricks. Yeah. What's going on?

That's what trying to tell you. Where unc he's at? He got to be here. And he's got to be here or around this bitch somewhere. Right. I need to know the brick. Who is the brick man? I need to know who the brick man is.

Because you got bricks, I can make 500 lives easier. Really? Yeah, stop playing. I'll be the man. I'll come back to do some bricks. Okay. What? What if the cartel reaches out from this interview,

they're kind of like, all right. Man, listen. We saw your no jumper interview and we'd like to do business. Then tap in. Fuck you're talking about, I'm typing a nigga. I'll tell you, it's brick money. I'm going to the label with the brick money. Like, yeah, y'all can chill for a week.

Fuck you mean. There it is. Everybody else. in the land will get a week off on me off dope money they're gonna never understand it thank you chitching gabby had some buffs on how do you um being that bitch thug it how do you feel like how do you go about the whole signing artist thing now like how do you balance you know people your friends with versus people you really think have talent giving out those opportunities uh what's your thought process on all that now she uh um

I ain't got no thought press on. Hey, this fucking bunch rules. He's like, oh, what is a label? What is an artist? It's a no more. Hey. Oh, shit. Shut out one up. This is why you had that in your backpack for so long. Hey, if y'all are running back to how I was looking when he asked me that question, I was like, I was looking at return. I was trying to figure it out. I was like, what's going on?

You know what you could say though? It's kind of like a harmless hide, don't you feel like? Well, we didn't just eat too much either. So we didn't enter into the first couple times I did mushrooms. I hate way too much. I'm extremely terrified of what shamanic mean. Right. The whole thing would be shamanic.

We didn't have-h-h-hael-no. But this shit feels like like Mali a little bit. Look, Tingle. Yeah, that's like Mali a little bit. You feel like me. That's like I had to quit the Mali. Mali too strong. That was too crazy.

But no, with the level shit, man, you sign somebody just got to, the artist that's signing people, I hope you're doing it out like the can of your art. Like, you hear me, like you got genuine interests and want to see that person win that you sign it. And then the artist, you just got to trust him. It's hard. It should be hard of you to trust because it's hard for me to trust now, but you got to trust them, man. And you got to pray and hope that they're doing it right by you. You know what I'm saying?

I don't really ask nobody to sign to nobody, but. But for the art. artist that you sign, how much responsibility do you feel towards them and how much of their life do you then want to take over? Because it's like you could micromanage every element of an artist thing and really try to turn them into a star. Or you could, you know, give them some money in a chain and fall back and be like, all right, I'm going to let you figure it out. And it's two very different ways of treating your investment. No, like, I talk to as many as my artists as much as I can, but like with certain artists,

like Skiller, I'm a little bit more hands-on with the motherfucker because he was like something I actually watched Grow. You know, like, I got him out of a bad situation. Like, he wasn't science to nobody. He's just a bad situation as far as life. Like, we all wasn't fucked up situation before in life. So I try to get him together and he was real loyal to me. Yeah, me?

So I talked to him as much as I can and probably like weekly, if not daily, that I talk to Skiller. Ashley's same way. I try to talk to her as much as I can. But I wouldn't say I don't feel like no super duper responsibility to him. Like they're my kids or no shit like that. But I take that shit serious like, man. And I probably get a little bit more excited when they turn up versus like my own shit. versus like my own shit like when people like oh Ashley got the best voice ever heard I'd be like yes

you hear me or like skill a baby the hardest and he nobody talking like ain't either on young nigger talking like that like I love seeing them getting their kudos because you're kind of used to people telling you you're nice I'm used to people saying it I'm not used to people giving me the real reasons on why my game nice like yeah you probably notice that you've heard my songs these notes but tell me why I'm nice right you've hear me like I'm I'm not used to that. So they do that more so with them more than they do with me. Like they pinpoint why they like Skiller. They pinpoint about what about Ashley's voice and makes her. You feel me? That makes sense. Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's a whole different

challenge to take on in terms of trying to have artists and have a label. Like we've seen a lot of people who are the greatest rappers of our generation of all time who've had, you know, sort of questionable levels of success in terms of putting other artists on. And you, you know, that's like a big part or a thing that could definitely like have a huge impact on your legacy as an artist. If you get known for that, you know? It go either way with the shit, man. Like you commend the nigga like Young Doff, what he do with a key glott. Keyglot got as much jury as him.

You know what I'm saying? They got whole CDs together. and you know you can understand that he's for Kigloch Right but they're like family Like family

Like the baby and Stunnerfo Like you could never You can see that For us as actual rap fans You could now never Separate Keglock from young Dolph Like that will always be a huge part

Of what made him Whatever he does for the rest of his career Dolph came through And gave him a look But it was crazy because he really deserved it Like when you heard his flow It was just like Wow like this is like

You're putting us on something but it really makes sense yeah makes sense voice it every time same thing like that I just I want motherfuckers to look at they look at skillet as his own man you know what I'm saying but in the same token they still tie him in with me a lot but me and him we different we different like he might be charismatic like me he might not be a punk like me you feel me like he he you know what I'm saying in those areas of life like he tough you know what I'm saying he might dance you know what I'm saying He's charming to a bitch, but, like, music, he can make songs I can't make, literally.

Right. Like, he can go in there and hold topics behind the microphone that I won't even think about. So, yeah, he different. He different to me. He got it. For sure. I'm going to be honest with you. I have to piss.

I'll be right back. It's good. What a mushroom is crazy. I got some. Y'all don't be young and have them. Y'all can have them. No more. I'm mad I ain't bringing my motherfucking jacket off.

You're talking mushrooms? Oh, no, Keith, listen, it's the same one that was at his house. It's the same one, a little chocolate. Bro. Oh, my God. Huh? These niggas got me on mushrooms. I just heard.

Do. Are we going to have to let it run? Was it funny? What the fuck are you saying? Listen, uh, the fucking mushrooms. You're a single head. handlingly podcasting there? Yeah, I had it down.

I had it down. Nice. So I'm just not noticing the no jumper news stand. Oh yeah. So that's a whole different segment? Yeah, yeah. You know my man AD, who I do it with? No, no, no.

In my head, it's a person sitting next to you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he do that? He is a large grizzly bear type of a man who is a rapper out here in LA. He's very respected guy and he's out here weighing in. He refuses to throw, I'm not going to go there. He refuses to throw his brothers under the bus as we encountered today where he wouldn't take a stand on a particular issue. But he's a good guy.

What is it? What is it? What is it? You probably don't know about this, but a certain rapper has been accused of shooting another rapper in the foot. It's this whole thing. I don't want to bug you out. So what about what? Okay.

So what AD say? He just wouldn't, he wouldn't condemn it. as strongly as I was attempting to get him to. What did you feel? I mean, because he's friends with the person involved. So I guess I understand that you don't want to go on record as saying anything. The shooter or the shootee? He's friends with the shooter.

So you want to hear what we think happened? What you think happened? Oh, okay. What we think? Oh, okay. You're getting real controversial. You one of those guys in the comment section? You're like, okay.

Look, Mike, like, nope, nope, nope. Stop, stop, stop. Do not do mushrooms. What, okay. I'm going to tell you right now, I'm a tear you. All right. I have a feeling I know. I'm going to tell you.

He's woke. This is like being like, you know, he's clued into the secret society belief that some people don't have about what went on that night. Jesus Christ. All right, Saddam, baby. I want to do that, though. What? The news. The news?

Yeah. How long? gonna be in LA? Still Saturday night. Bye, always could come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe we could do that. That would be fun. No, I set that shit up.

I do need a sub for my co-host. What's on? What's on on? What's on the news? Just whatever's going on in the rap world? Mostly rap, but, you know, a little bit of overall culture. I'm with it.

Whatever's going on. What do you have planned for the rest of the day? Also, should I start wearing buffs? Should I get myself some of these? Yeah, put them on. Let me see. They gotta be the thumbnail With you with the buff song

Oh yeah Hell yeah That's a great idea As he Buffed up Adam Yeah How much these costs You see

You see how you see how your tempering go You throw the buffs up That they can set up Yeah I'm having a hard time Taking myself seriously To be honest I don't know if it's the mushrooms

Or what I'm not I'm not doing them no more I feel like when they go on Joe Rogan They do mushrooms And then they just don't talk about it And it's like It's funnier

Because we keep acknowledging They do mushrooms on Joe Rogan? On his podcast? Yeah, yeah. Sometimes. I think you weren't the coolest niggas. You would go on there?

That'd be hard. Hell yeah, I go on Joe Rogan podcast. He's in like a fucking space cube thing. It's like all red and shit now. He needs Sauce Walker to go on there. Bro, I wish I like... Do he know sauce? Or like no of them?

I would assume no. It doesn't seem like he knows almost anything about rap. But I wish I was in the Joe Rogan inner circle just so I could tell him that he should have Sous Walker on his phone case. Who knows Joe Rogan? That's a good question. They ain't even doing like UFC right now, are they? They are, but he's not announcing it.

They have their own island. He quit. He's just taking a break from it, I believe, because he doesn't want to travel or have to do the corona shit. But they have their own island. We need a rap. We need a rap island. If the UFC can have an island, why can't we have a

island? A hip hop island? No. That ain't gonna work. It's not where everyone's gonna live. It's just where we can hold some concerts during the pandemic. That's something to think about.

I see so many ways why that shit would be wrong and it just wouldn't work. Niggins are trying to take over the island. It's our island. You hear me? The island would definitely... Y'all can't come. We holding the shows.

Oh, man, yeah. You hear of all right, nigga, we're gonna shoot the island up. Damn. That would be crazy to see who wanted to. That's how it's gonna go. Okay, imagine QC started their own island. They can't even start an island right now.

What would they do with it? I argue. If QC had an island, like, who would choose to move there? Like, I personally know Yaddy not going to go. Maybe, like, after a couple of days, it's like, what are you doing there? What are you? I'm a face to him, he's still going to be home. It's been, brother.

I'm not going over. I know you're not. No, man, it's just, that's why people go home. You feel me? If Gusey started an island, they would have like three days and then they'd be like, shit, maybe we should just be in a man.

Oh, yeah, I think about it. The bubble probably irritating his hell for the NBA players. Oh, yeah. That'd be so much. Like that shit, bro, like you can't walk around,

how you walk around. Like, niggas used to, used to fucking, y'all, me and their basketball players. They used to play and they go home and they big ass beds and all this type of shit and smoking weed and shit.

Right. Really can't smoke no weed in the bubble. Isn't that crazy? You're going to get caught. Think about being, being a basketball player now is like you have to be also basically like a prisoner in the bubble like it's not as bad as being in a prison but you basically are like if you're a good one it's a very selective prison if you're a good one everybody didn't get invited to the bubble no yeah pistons you know weird way that's what's weird is that

being in that prison is like you know it's an honor and you're being paid millions of dollars the business I just want to say this they they disappoint me terribly every year I just want to let my business know that I'm going to sign the bandwagon for him if y'all don't do what you're supposed to do with this seventh pick. I don't follow basketball, so yes, I completely agree. They're terrible. Right. Yeah, you wit what I say on this.

I'm thinking about getting into it. You should just to talk some shit? Just to know what people are talking about, you know? Yeah, I'm a LeBron hater. Right. You hate, you hate LeBron? Yes. Fuck, okay.

Damn. I'm not going to say that. I feel like that wouldn't go over well. It makes a couple people, it makes a couple of people stressful. Really? Oh, damn, LeBron might see, he might do watch your podcast. Yeah, LeBron, listen, okay, so I told, I told motherfuckies if I ever was to meet him, I would, I would for sure acknowledge what he is.

You hear me, you go, you heat, you know what I'm saying, you fire, you best all-around basketball player ever, but you got no chest. No chest? Yeah, you're not a dog. Explain that for me as a person who doesn't. He just ain't no dog. You feel, he don't go about it. Like, he goes about the game analytically.

You don't have heart? Hell no. That niggins do shoulder rolls and like fucking Gary Trentz. Like, he broke up to them niggins. You feel me? Like, well, my favorite examples, I just, I was talking about this probably like two weeks ago. There was a Jason Tatum dunked on him chest to chest.

You feel me? Jason Tainter was a rookie, right? Uh-huh. Don't on him. Top hat. Scream. In his ear. LeBron, no do shit, but look at him. Any other motherfucker, he would have, you feel, you know what I'm saying?

Uh-huh. Anybody that's damn near his height, wait, he don't want no smoke. But little motherfuckers, he, you feel, he snatching the ball and the shit. Yeah, man. No. No. Wow. Like, he terror-ass teams like the Raptors.

Mm. You feel, I mean, like, he'd get a Raptor's nightmares. Right. And everybody yells, you deferring and losing to him and shit. It's weird for, to me, I guess, like, I always just thought they were playing the game. But it's like, really there's, like, a deep, like, pride thing going into it, you know? That shit. That shit.

That shit. That shit. It's deep. The basketball in itself is deep because the fans be feeling some type of way. And when you go hoop, you only hooping because you emulate players, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that shit deep. It's going to always be a connection. Nation and then this is gonna be motherfugglers who love LeBryne,

who don't like Kobe Recipes Kobe. Motherfugers love Jordan, don't like Jordan. You know what I'm saying? Me personally, my favorite player ain't one shit. I just like them. Mellow. You go! Man, that nigga responded to my DM?

Yeah, I thought that was the coldest shit. Wow, really? Ever. Ever. I've been DM in that nigga for like three, four years. Really? Hell yeah, kept on sending this shit. I don't care.

It's my favorite player, nigga. I'm like, nigga, you're going to see my father on somebody. And he finally synced it this year on his birthday. He was won't. Oh, so you were hitting him up when you weren't really on shit, and now you're where you're at. But I kept doing it, though. I always, that's my favorite player.

But I told him congratulations when he got back in the league, all that shit. Keep on that shit. You feel me? That's hard. Like, I got an actual relationship with Damon Lillard. You feel of me? And I ain't even try to swing it to him,

but I did a little bit like me to tell that nigga that I say you my favorite. player. Right. Fuck you're talking about a nigga the goat to me. You ever hit up a basketball player and just be like, you suck? You ever DM LeBron and be like,

you ain't all that. He ain't got no chest. I tag Reggie Jackson a bunch of times. Right. I tag Reggie Jackson all the time. I hate, I hate Reggie Jackson. I feel like he's been in the league stealing money since he got drafted from Boston College.

You're terrible. You're terrible motherfucker. Pistons. You stole $80 million from the pistons. And then you get rewarded by being able to play on the clippers. you don't deserve that spot you still terrible. That's why fucking Kauai cussed you out on national TV.

Fuck you're talking about. Yeah, I hate Reggie Jackson. Really? Because he's a bad person. He is. He's a bad person. Okay. Is it weird when you think about it that you're comfortable commentating

on basketball players' lives like that to which you would just never feel comfortable offering that kind of thought into like a rapper or someone who is in your line to work. But somehow they are like superheroes to the extent where you can talk about them like their life as a game. Flat out.

Am I weird? Them niggas is superheroes. They are. You feel, me? But in the same token, it'll be switched around. Like, they got a round table. They're probably talking my rappers. You know what I'm saying? But they're not going to talk about what their teammate was doing with this bitch the other night because he married.

He married. You feel? That's crazy. Yeah, it's like that. For sure. I just hate Reggie Jackson, though. I would sit up and talk about a bunch of niggas all the time, but we debated by LeBron all the time, and I hate Reggie Jackson. Respect. I don't know, shit, but, you know, as long as you don't say nothing about Larry Bird, we're cool.

What about Larry Bird? That's my, that's my unk. You like Larry Bird? That's just who I grew up on, yeah. Outside Boston, like that area? They say Yokech, the new Larry Bird. Who? Nicole Yolich.

I don't know who the fuck that is but I got to turn on to that. He fire. Yeah? He's fired. You're going to tell me about your favorite white basketball players? My favorite white basketball player is T. Hero. Okay.

He know that. I'll talk to Tyler. He knows. He knows he's my great white hope. He is him. Imagine I was just really into all the white players. That's cool. It's some sweet white motherfuckers right now.

I'm offended on your behalf if that was my thing. If I knew all about the white players. Listen, that would be funny, though. You get over to it, and you have a valid point. As a meme, I can appreciate that, yeah. We got Luke Canard. You playing for the business. He was good in college.

He was getting to be good this year. Right. Before Corona having. You think they should have another league for the white boys, just so they get a chance to do something? So they have something to do. I don't think the white boys are like it. I think they'd be mad as hell.

They'd be so offended. Yeah, they'd be like, no, don't put us over here with just the family. We can hang with them. I swear I could play with those guys. I'm trying to tell you. No, they don't need no separate league. That, then that is just, and today's, hey, that'd be wrong as him. Hey, man, but they got the WMBA.

Why not? You see that high school team? There's a high school team called the Cotton Pickers. I did see that, yeah. How the fuck is that something like that happened? How does that happen for so long before anybody notices? I don't, like, that's a little awkward. It's real.

And they, like, seen a bunch of pictures. I seen the one motherfucker he he quoted the tweet and was like this shit is very real and I played against my whole life and trying to figure out

why is it real? I know I just can't believe it lasts of that long but I guess like the redskins and shit you can already look at that like how the fuck is that still a thing? What was that racist? Like you explained to me about

the Indians, the Native Americans Okay I mean it's like a fucking cartoon of a Native American that's fucked up The skin, okay. Right. Okay, but you see, I am really, I think,

I think if I didn't know, like, really, like honestly, genuinely didn't know like that, I think a lot of people didn't either. No, yeah. I don't blame anybody who doesn't think of that automatically when you hear, well, there's a lot of teams, though, the Braves, the Tomahawks. Is that a thing?

The Blackhawks? It is a Blackhawks, right? I go, is that a thing? No. The time of other. But see, okay, so the Braves, though, they just got like the axe, though. They don't got like, wait. Okay, but the chiefs actually.

Chiefs. And then you break down what's the Chief? Right, exactly. I mean, where's that come from? It's the Indian. Shout out to them. Yeah, but they still flying under the radar. So I guess when that whole shit was going on, they just looking like.

It's like, what are we allowed to compare ourselves to? But you could, you could, you could be the bears. You could be an animal. That's not offensive. The bears versus the dogs versus the cats versus the horses. It'll be, yeah, it is, yeah, you just say the wrong type of animal, somebody's going to get bad. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, isn't that weird how you could be every type of animal and then you wouldn't want to be? I, I, until I didn't even know all the different racial slurs until I got grown. Mm. You know what I'm saying? Like, all it, all the, like the, like the, like the, the, dance once, you feel, you feel, me like the super shit? I was like, damn. Yeah.

Because, I mean, it's not things that people call each other within the community. It's just stuff used outside the community by other people. I have friends in China. I remember I was, like, out there riding BMX with them, and I was like, I'm like, you know that there's a slur for Chinese people, chink? And they were like, no, they had never even heard it. I'm like, nobody in this whole country even gives a shit about that. But in our consider, to them, that's their N word for sure.

Yeah. Can't throw that around. So what's it? So, okay, go. But in China, they had never even heard of it. My Mexican homies fucked up, though, because they call each other the shit that, right? They call each other beaner and shit like that.

But it's exactly the same with black people. Black people say. We do. We do. We do. We just pronounce it different. We all hard. All right.

You feel. That hard. But if you were to switch it up. It's all about how you say it, really, because you could just easily make it sound offensive. Yeah, I think I only get offended when I hear, that's part of the reason I stopped playing Call of Duty. It's just too much. They get wild on that bitch. Really?

Yeah, they, they are, yeah. So fucked up. They be like fucking 12. Yeah. You feel like me, be kids, man. And then I couldn't deal with it. I couldn't take it. I've always thought that was like the craziest thing that,

that is so commonplace there and that there's nothing they can do about it apparently. As soon as the screen gets the loading up, so as the game load up. They right there talking crazy. You feel me? And it's just like, if I wouldn't play with my meds against, it wouldn't even have been the least bit bearable.

Like I'd have been getting mad as hell, but yeah, man, that's like life. Crazy. That's like life. Like they just assume that they lose into a black person. You feel me? And they go on the hard on the video game. I think a lot of it though is like with little kids and shit that like when they are in this environment where they feel like nobody's watching they just go to the most offensive thing that they can think of like I don't really do you think that those kids are actually really like hardcore racist or that they just are going to the thing that they think is the most offensive I'm sure those those kids probably all listen around music but are you not racist if you see right you're still yeah yeah you are racist because you said it but um

Man, just the just the just the just the fact that you think it. Yeah just the fact that they they sit in there thinking it that you think that that sense of humor Yeah, because there's all the type of insults you feel me you can say all that type of shit Mm-hmm I joke I joke and say Disrespect for shit to my Mexican homies on a video game all day but it ain't wet back this and Being of that and speaking you feel I ain't calling them niggas that shit. That's all too much You feel it's way too much they call it you know they call it they call each other that shit because they fucked up in the head. But, yeah, like, no, you can crack you, you can say some of something shit without it being about racing. It would be really weird if me and my white friends made

fun of each other for being white. I guess we do from time of time, yeah. It's like scales of whiteness that we could kind of compare each other to. Man, you better know I make fun of these niggins for being who they is every day. This is a daily thing, man. It's supposed to go like that. Right. It's supposed to. At least I feel like it's supposed to. At least I feel like it's supposed to. go like that. I'm a crank a joke on me since I was a kid. For sure. All right. Well, you know, this has been fun. Yeah.

Shout out to rude exotics for fueling us through this. It feels like we've been on here for three hours. I'm sure it hasn't been that long. How long have we been sitting here? Hour and a half? No cap. Longest hour and a half of my life. I feel like I've been to fucking paradise and back.

That's the mushrooms, man. I ain't fucked with this shit. Ah. All right. This shit was fun, though. It was fun. Yeah, yeah. Went deep.

I can do the new shit. Oh, yeah. That would be great, man. That would be ridiculous. Let's do it. Set that up and give me a day. I'm flying back out. Let's do it.

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