No Jumper - Sammy Ghostt on Being Keyshia Cole's Brother, Their Beef, Crime Spree in ATL & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 All right. I might even say that, too. Busting off shots. Yeah, we blaming the toes, slush one in the building. I got Sammy the ghost, my dog. Holding it down for that 9-2 fever. You know it, man. Pittsburgh was poverty, man.

Starting point is 00:00:14 Salute. Pittsburgh, California. All-poverts to the ship. Yep, yep. You're a really interesting dude. You got a crazy story. Very colorful background. Been through a lot.

Starting point is 00:00:28 Survived a lot. And you're a talented artist, but I feel like a lot of times your music gets obscured by the controversy surrounding you and your family's name and all that. Right, right. Because I feel like I'm really, I ain't going to lie. I ain't too many niggas in the world. That's better than me, to be honest. But, yeah, when you're dealing with a situation where, you know, peaks are already going to reach, it gets kind of difficult sometimes. You know, you always compared, you know, in this, you know.

Starting point is 00:01:00 Right. I'm an icon. You know, when somebody in your family is a legend, an icon, it's like, I don't want to try to put them shoes on, especially because I don't wear heels in any way. But you know what I'm saying? It's like, hey, I'm me. I do this shit too, you know, so. And for those that don't know, you were the brother of Keisha Cole.

Starting point is 00:01:18 Oh yeah, that's a big son. Shout out to Keisha. I love you, baby. I don't care what nobody's saying. And, but that's not the only icon in your family. Man, RP, Ma'am, man. R.P. To be honest with you, I think Frankie was, was, see, I know how fans get to, you know,

Starting point is 00:01:36 shooting shit down. Everybody takes this wrong way. I'm not saying she was bigger than Keisha because nobody's bigger than Keisha. Keisha is the boss. But Frankie was, we talking about fans, my mother was loved by everybody all over. R.P. Frankie. Frankie. Frankie was, that was, she was her. And, yeah, definitely RIP. And Keisha is someone that I hold and is someone that I'm.

Starting point is 00:01:59 hold in very high regard. Incredible artists, one of the best natural voices that I've ever heard before. I had the biggest crush on your sister. And she's still fine with her punk. I can't stand her punk at. You know, we went to two of the same schools. I'm younger than her, so I was only able to go like one year, one time and then one year another time.

Starting point is 00:02:21 But I've been beating up her boyfriend since I was in kindergarten, like, on some real shit. She's older than you. Yeah, she's old. That's big sister. Okay. But she's been from her. pretty. I've been beating her boyfriend my whole life. Y'all, the world don't know that. I was

Starting point is 00:02:33 there before all the cameras and shit. We went to the same school a couple of times. We were from the same you know what I'm saying? Um, you know, wherever they moved, we moved. And coincidentally, my dad knew, um, you know, Ms. Cole. That's another story. I'm talking about that. We moved to the same cities. So we went and did all the same shit together. We actually grew up together. Like, literally, like, we was at the parks.

Starting point is 00:02:53 Like, whenever I'm with my homies and playing basketball, Keisha was there, you know, but I wouldn't allow to hang around her and her, and her girls, you know, coincidentally. You know how that shit go. But we grew up together, for real, for real. So y'all have the same mother, different fathers? We got the same mama and the same daddy. Same, okay, both the same.

Starting point is 00:03:09 That's some shit I ain't going to. You know what? I know how y'all show good. Y'all like taking shots and shit. I ain't going to talk about everything, but I will, as far as my daddy go, I'm going to put that shit right. Okay. Keisha's real name on birth certificate.

Starting point is 00:03:20 If you check it, just public record. Y'all good at finding public records. That's what y'all do. Keisha. My name is her real name on paper. My name is Sammy Johnson. You feel me? My name Ghost, y'all call me ghost.

Starting point is 00:03:31 But Sammy Johnson is my, do you feel me? And we got the same mama and the same daddy. Okay. And that's facts. Okay. Now, the first time, I've only met Keisha once, and it was back in 2007, and my best partner over there in East Oakland,

Starting point is 00:03:50 he had a cousin who had like some rare blood disorder, and so they were doing a blood drive at Castlemont High School. Right, Castlemont. For those that don't know, that's in the heart of Deep East Oakland, in a very active neighborhood. It goes up there. It's like the highest crime rate in the entire town.

Starting point is 00:04:09 Shout out to the whole Oakland, man. Shout out to the whole town, man. And I remember she was a part of the blood drive, and she came through, and I remember she pulled up in this cranberry bends. I think it was a convertible. It was an amazing car. And this is the type of neighborhood where just like any and everybody's getting pressed. but her car was posted outside.

Starting point is 00:04:31 Man, they love us over there, man. Nobody was touching it. I'd be in the middle of Brookfield. I ain't saying I'm the most gangst thing in the world because I'm not. Anybody can get touched. But I'm a gangster. But they love our family out there. I mean, me and Frankie, we'd be in Brookfield, three in the morning.

Starting point is 00:04:44 You feel me, I'll be in the coop with the doors up or I'll be in the truck that it's open. You feel me? Smoking. No security. You feel me? Hammer on me, of course. But me and, you know, and Keisha, that's how they love us. That's one place in, you know, Oklahoma.

Starting point is 00:04:57 in the Bay Area, we could be out. They love us in the Bay Area. For real, for they love my family because they know that we really came from, you know, what they say, what we say, we are who we say we are. We are that. We really came from that.

Starting point is 00:05:09 You know, I'm still got a footing and shit. So, Sammy, as I said, you're a dope artist. How come you don't have a deal and how come you don't have the level of recognition someone of your talent you would expect to have, especially considering the family connections

Starting point is 00:05:27 that you have? I'm gonna blame it on me. I'm gonna blame it on me because, not because I did something, but because loyalty will be a motherfucker some time. You know, sometimes opportunities come and you should have done what you should have done, and you didn't.

Starting point is 00:05:52 You know, so I'm gonna blame it on me. You know, I have some opportunities that I should have taken. that I should have taken, and I didn't because I had other things that I was told was going to be given to me, you know, and then when it didn't pan through, I just lost a love for music all together. Like, I just ran an irk on the way in here. He was like, bro, where you been at? man they fuck that music shit man like you know what I'm saying like that's how that's how I took it you know after after you fall from that high up you know what I'm saying I'm with my big sister she a legend I'm about to sign young jeez he just said nick I'm going to sign you to c tekeisha like nah I'm fun to sign my brother what you're talking about my brother the dope is I'm signing my brother I'm like nobody want to sign me I'm getting signed I'm over the streets is just done you know what I'm

Starting point is 00:06:32 saying susan from b et I was doing an interview with susan from b et child susan I love that white lady she dope susan she asked me Sammy, what's the hardest thing you ever did in life? I looked at white lady dead in her face. I told her, go from the streets to BET back to the streets. Ain't no nigga built for that transition. Oh, God. On my mama, on my dead mama, ain't no nigga built for that transition.

Starting point is 00:07:00 It took me a minute to get right. For real, for real. So, okay, you just said a lot. So your sis used to, She was engaged to GZ at one point, or like she used to... I don't know what they were doing. I don't want to get into all of that. But they were together.

Starting point is 00:07:17 That was like a public thing. I was around all... Yeah, they was together. I was around all the stars, okay? Snoop and Shantay. They, Jazzy Faye. I mean, any star you could name, but I was young, you feel me? I'm mid-30s now.

Starting point is 00:07:28 You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So I'm not an old nigga, but I've been around. So I was around every star. Like, when they see this autumn stars, go ahead, tap you in. I'm waiting for y'all to tap in.

Starting point is 00:07:39 I'm back and I'm better. Patty LaBelle then jumped out the limo. We was at Crestations one time. You know, crustaceans, we had on shorts and shit. If you know Custacea, you can't eat in crustaceans like that. But this is Keisha Coe, we talking about. So they went, made us a booth outside. You know, we outside eating big.

Starting point is 00:07:57 Paddy LaBelle Bail jumped out of limo singing. Pallie LaBel. We're talking about if there is a face that you can put on R&B that's still moving, we're talking about that's one of my, you know what I'm saying? Ain't too many. Danitas and Tony Braxton. We're talking about Diva, you know. And as she's singing and she walked up.

Starting point is 00:08:14 I love her Thanksgiving pie, too. Right. Oh, my God. And so as Paela Bill's walking up, I didn't, you know, me and Mani and Keisha, and then we sitting there eating, she grabbed my hand. And I ain't going to say nothing. Her little light-skinned husband there,

Starting point is 00:08:25 he's like 10, 15 years younger than her. He's just sitting there. He ain't saying nothing. She's running the show. She got my finger and shit. And she's talking to Keisha and telling her of all her accolades. Because my sister, like I said, she is her. You know, she needs to go ahead and get the studio.

Starting point is 00:08:38 with me, so I can get her a present day hit, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm rocking. But as Patty has given her the biggest and highest, you know, of appreciation and, you know, giving her flowers while she'd hear, as she parted, she says, oh, and God told me to tell you your brother's perfect. I don't know what made Patty LaBelle say that. I don't know what made Young Jezee tell her your brother is that nigger. I want to sign him. Shantay and Snoop. They said I'm one of the most, you know, respected gangster dope niggas they ever met. I'm dope. Everybody get around me, I'm dope. So tell me about the GZ situation.

Starting point is 00:09:12 You're out in Atlanta. I ain't going to lie, that one hurt the most. It was like, I think it was either he had a show or she had a show. It was just us three. You know what I'm saying? Because at that point in time, like me and Jesus, we were hanging out. You know what I'm saying? Like, I met the whole, you know what I'm saying, everybody.

Starting point is 00:09:30 That's who brought me my tree the first time in Atlanta when I got there. She said, you want some weed? I said, yeah, I need some weed. So I ain't smoke. She said, give me 30 minutes. 30 minutes later, she said it's downstairs. Look over the balcony. I look down.

Starting point is 00:09:40 Hey! He hit me with an ad lib. It's yellow lamb, boy. I'm like, niggia, it's that young jeezie. Come on, man. So, you know, he fuck with me already. One day, we're just chilling back behind the stage, and they're talking.

Starting point is 00:09:51 I'm on my business because I'm a real street, nigger. I don't be all in people's mix. You know what I'm saying? And he just look at her one time. He's like, man. Let me sign your little brother, man. I like this, nigga.

Starting point is 00:10:00 So he heard your music. I heard my music and been around me and liked me. And was like, this nigga, type. Let me sign your little brother. And she was like, nigger, no. I'm signing my brother. And did she wind up signing you? I'm still signed to the streets right now.

Starting point is 00:10:22 You feel me? Money and Tito. So you did not wind up getting signed to your sister? I did not get signed to my sister. And did you ever ask her about that? You know what? I think I'm probably the only family member that actually will ask her about shit.

Starting point is 00:10:40 Because, you know, my family might be mad. They probably would be mad at me for doing this shit. You know what I'm saying? speak your truth bro you know what I'm saying but the truth is I'm the only person that is man enough to ask her like what's up with that shit I ain't going to show

Starting point is 00:10:53 you all the text but I got the text messages I kept it just so I can look at it to remind myself I said Keesha bro what's up with that deal what's up with that reality show money what's up with all that shit but Sam I'm at the water park I don't want to talk with the kids I'm with the kids I'm at the water park I don't talk about that right now

Starting point is 00:11:08 you know it's family shit though you know what I'm saying it's business though you know what I'm saying it's family shit, we ain't going to talk about that today. But business shit, everybody in every real street, nigga, everybody, every blue check, every person I know told me I should have been said this shit. You know what I'm saying? Because I gave her the opportunity to

Starting point is 00:11:25 fix it. You know what I'm saying? You know, it's been years. You had the opportunity to fix it. You know what I'm saying? So what, is that your biggest issue not getting signed and like, just break down the story? What happened? I mean, that's why I remember I told you how I blamed myself?

Starting point is 00:11:43 I shouldn't have let that stop me. I shouldn't have. So you're waiting for a deal from her? I was waiting and I shouldn't have waited for nobody and then when it didn't come, I didn't want to do music no more. I was like, fuck that shit. You know, I was like, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:57 like I said, falling from that high is not survival. I'm glad I'm still alive. It just took a minute for me to get back right. You know what I'm saying? And is this during the same time that Keisha had the reality show? Everything was kind of a little bit, you know, then and then after, you know, a little bit, you know.

Starting point is 00:12:18 Should build it up, you know. But, you know, like I said, you know, we had a differences, you know, and I decided, you know, I just didn't want to do music no more. Okay. I just gave up on that shit. Stupid. Well, what's the situation that happened with the real thing? reality show. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:12:47 I was supposed to get some money. I was... Because you appeared in the reality show. Yeah. Yeah. I was extra young, though. Young nigga, teenager. Easily, you know, conveyed.

Starting point is 00:13:02 I want to say manipulate it. Easily swayed. I was supposed to be getting, like, you know, it was getting like $200K. I was told that I should give that money to my mom and my sisters because I'm a street nigger and I know all to hustle and I'm going to have a record deal

Starting point is 00:13:21 or I don't need that money that I should sign this waiver so my mom and my sisters could get that money. I don't know what Manning and Kees did with that money but I ain't ever see it and my sisters and my mom and I even see that shit neither. Okay, so... That's $200.

Starting point is 00:13:37 So for your appearance, in this reality show, which was, what was the name of the show? The way it is, and I guess that's the way it is. The way it is, which was on BET. Yeah. Shout out to, shout out to Susan and everybody, and everybody to cast. Sorry about some little incidents, too. I kicked in a few doors.

Starting point is 00:13:54 I'm going to shout a couple of niggas during the film of them reality shows. I was in Atlanta doing a fool. Okay, we need to hear that. What the fuck happened? Man, look, I ain't going to put a bro name out, because he's active right now, and he actually blew up. He a big, nighttime rapper. and he used to actually date my mama with his young at.

Starting point is 00:14:13 My mom was old. You date my mama, but. And we filmed, and these motherfuckers is doing drugs during the filming, bro. I went to, I'm like, bro, y'all serious? I'm about to be right back. I was about to go to the house, go get my hammer. The cameraman said, you ain't about to do nothing that shit. You need the guy.

Starting point is 00:14:26 I got out right here. And it gave me that motherfucker. I wouldn't kick that door in. Lay there, everybody. I didn't get the tripping, nigga. Boy, why? Because they was doing drugs with my mama. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:14:38 Wrist in peace, Frankie. They was doing drugs with Frankie. young niggas and shit man I kicked that bitch in man look somebody told the police gun nix thing knows about this shit is all public record y'all go look this shit up police pulled it up deep they were like with a gun I had got rid of it by that time already I ain't got no gun it's all right we got y'all we gonna stay here during the fact why y'all feel the rest of this shit and if this little niggas bust a move we shut this shit down and it's over shout out to everybody in clayton county man

Starting point is 00:15:04 clake i love clayton county man them niggas know how i could have I was out there tripping by my mama and my sisters and shit You know what I'm saying? Put it at work. So you're filming this reality show. Was it, were you just appearing in a few episodes, or were you like a part of the cast? I mean, at that point in time, it was like, you know,

Starting point is 00:15:24 after, you know, so many episodes, I feel like it's part of the cast. And it was like, you know, three or four, you know, five episodes, it's only like seven or some eight of them, you know, season. Right. So you're a regular. Like I said, they was, they were supposed,

Starting point is 00:15:34 I was supposed to get 200K. You know, that's a full cast member of pay. You know, we was all getting, it was like 180. you know all my sisters you know what I'm saying got that shit and shit you know so you signed a waiver so legally yeah legally I said you know I was told that I didn't need you know like I said I feel like I was a little bit you know you know but I did it because I was also promised other shit with it and you know when you're talking about family your loyalty is supposed to be different you know

Starting point is 00:16:04 that's why I almost didn't want to come on this show I know how yeah I know how that shit be But it's like, well, you've been holding this in for a long time. After somebody proving they show you who there is, don't believe they're going to be nothing else but who the fuck they showed you. Right. Straight up. So it's like, man, like, where's the generational wealth in his family? Like, we got nieces and nephews. Nephew, got kids that got kids.

Starting point is 00:16:24 We're just kids that kids. Like, we got singers and rappers all through this, motherfucker. Where the money going? Everybody else family got generational wealth from LeBron James to T.I. Everybody got putting their kids in family. Got Instagram with blue checks. Why does somebody in this family not want everybody in this family shining like that? Where's the effort at in making sure we eat?

Starting point is 00:16:46 Fuck all the fans and all that shit going to say, oh, you're supposed to. No, fuck that. You're supposed to. When God put you in that position and you get blessed, you're supposed to bless your family. I don't get fuck with nobody's sake. And you can't bless everybody because everybody going to fuck off the bad. I live on a lake, man. You feel me?

Starting point is 00:17:02 I got an eye and shit, man. I got a jury all kind of shit, man. She didn't gave me nothing. You feel me? That's what I'm known for it. Everybody known. I still did it. I'm not on here broke, sat mad and shit.

Starting point is 00:17:11 Don't get it twisted, world. Y'all don't get this shit twisted. Ghost is not on here, broke and bitter. I get to the bag. I want some more, though. I want some more. Well, you definitely, I don't know about bitter, but you definitely seem like there's some resentment there

Starting point is 00:17:28 towards your sister. It's a little bit of, you know. And I'm not saying it's not justified, but, you know, you definitely seem like you, been holding this in for a while. Well, that's because I gave everybody a chance to fix it. You know, my little brother, he'd be rocking with her. He'd probably going to be mad.

Starting point is 00:17:46 I don't care. I told him, we could put the gloves on. I'll beat you up like a little brother. You feel me? You don't protect her. It's cool. But I'm going to say what I want to say. There ain't nobody going to make me say nothing. I'm just, you know, just a little bit confused about what's going on here. I'm dope as fuck, and they all scared. I'm just shit. I'm the shit. I'm the shit, you feel me, in the personality category, in the family,

Starting point is 00:18:11 it's talent, all that shit. I do all that shit. I'm the best at everything. I'm the best in the family at everything. You know what I'm saying? My sister knows it. She told me. Keisha didn't told me.

Starting point is 00:18:20 Keisha didn't nodded off thinking I reminded her a Tupop. Like, she better stop playing with me. She loved me. My sisters all love me. Not like that, but they all love me, bro. Like, they literally love me. I'm literally their favorite nigga. They all told me they wanted a nigga like me.

Starting point is 00:18:34 They all love me. I don't know what the problem is. She straight told me. She was like, you know, Keisha was with two pop before he was, you feel me, gone. Like, she was one of the people that was around, you know, around them, you know what I'm saying? Like, she literally told me one day. She was like, dazed off. I thought she was lit.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Nick, you're good? She's like, no, I'm just, you just remind me so much of him. Like, you, you're so dope, little bro. Like, so I don't know what the fuck the problem is, you know? Hmm. It's just, it's just a little strange. Why wouldn't she, if she holds you in such high regard, why wouldn't she want you to, why wouldn't she want you to, win. Like, what's going on? Is there something else? You know what she does say she do

Starting point is 00:19:11 want us all to win? She says that she don't want to give it to nobody though. She don't want to help nobody. She says you just use my name, do what y'all got to do. Y'all should be able get it. But you had opportunities pop up. You had GZ offer you and you and a deal. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. See, it don't make sense to me neither. I want to ask, I want some questions and answer just like y'all do. You know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, tell Adam, get GZ on the line. You know what I'm saying? Get Patty in line. T. Payne. I did a show one time I open up for T-Pain, man. Man, T-Pain came out his dressing room,

Starting point is 00:19:42 that's on my mama dead body. T-Pain came out of dressing room. A halfway set through my first song because the crowd was already trying to learn my word, and they never knew who the fuck I was. And I got that show because they called my phone looking for Keisha, because we all had cell phones that was like one digit off or some weird shit like that.

Starting point is 00:20:00 And I was like, no, this Keisha line. And they called Keisha, and they was like, oh, she busy. It was like, we need somebody to do this show. You fuck it. You want to do it? You do music? We just saw you do music. I'm like, fuck yeah, I would open up with T-Pain. I got paid. I took my dad them down there as I'm starting off my set.

Starting point is 00:20:17 I get halfway through the first song. And I turn around and T-Pain has came out of his dressing room. And he is with my dad and my brothers. And they is rocking. Okay, that night me and T-P-P-P-N went out. Shout to T-P-P-N and T-T-P-A-N. Because he said at the end of the show, it was girls. One girl had a T-P-A-N.

Starting point is 00:20:36 They all had the letters on there. He gave me every single. one of them letters. He said, I got a wife. I'm married. I don't fucking around with them bitches and shit like that. T. Payne gave me all them bitches. I don't know if it was I or Tee, but I got one of them, bitches. But shout out to T.C. Payne. And that was in South West Virginia. You feel

Starting point is 00:20:50 me? Like, he talked to me all night. Neo, Neal talked to me that night. Everybody, you know, it was one of them, you know, a little bit older stars. They had a show, but it was this dope-ass opportunity. So I took it, you know, hell of young, like, fuck it. And he, I think, at that point in time,

Starting point is 00:21:06 I think he doubled back and tried to to hold me too. I was getting a lot of blackball and shit going on. You know what I'm saying? I found out directly from a few stars that I was getting some blackball shit going on. You know what I'm saying? So basically it's like I feel like if it's through any connection I had to do like if I'm around her, if it's through her connection, if she's in the midst of the situation, it's a no go, you know. I mean, how much do you feel like you being in the streets and being involved in activities outside of the industry? I mean like you even just said during,

Starting point is 00:21:38 the taping of the reality show, you're kicking indoors and, you know, whiling out with pistols, while this is going on. How much of that do you think factored into your sister's decision to not push your line?

Starting point is 00:21:55 After she was dating the young Jesus, come on, my sister love that gangsta shit. We're from the bottom, man. We're from the mother for real. She loved that shit. So that wasn't an issue? That definitely had nothing to do with it. You know?

Starting point is 00:22:04 It has something to do with me and her personal relationship which we're not going to get into because she's a dominant you know you could tell how she carried herself you know and when she bumped heads with a dude that's why you know she'd be dumping them niggas when she bump heads with when she get rid of you know she's a cold piece that's but that's i love her she's a gangster you know she only going to deal with so much you know whether she's right or wrong she only going to deal with so much of certain shit you know and if you're not tending to that shit you're not you know it's bad well look

Starting point is 00:22:38 I know you said you don't want to talk about the personal shit, which I understand. But at the same time, it seems like the personal relationship is fueling whatever discrepancies are going on with the business. So it's, you're kind of like you're painting a picture, but you're only just painting the outlines. You got a color within it. Like really, what's going on here, bro? What's the issue?

Starting point is 00:23:08 why are we not seeing Sammy the ghost music out there the way are we supposed to? Why do you not have a deal and what happened between you and your sister that led to these business discrepancies and to have you in the current state that you're in right now? Oh, you motherfuckers, man. Shit. That's a good question.

Starting point is 00:23:39 I mean, I know that you've been holding in. for a long time. You gotta get it out, bro. You gotta let people know. Because as of now, they're only getting a piece of the story. And if anything, it's gonna make you look some type of way, which isn't fair. So what are you protecting? You know what? Five years ago, I might not have said shit. But also, I feel like I can actually help her career right now. I mean, because, you know, personally I'll be getting tired to all these girls still singing love and shit

Starting point is 00:24:41 when they call my phone. That shit get irritating, you know, I'm just saying. It's a good son. Yeah, that's not. It's one of my favorites, but, you know, we need some new shit, you know what I'm saying? You got all your nieces and you got all these nieces and nephews and little brothers and shit, the vibe all around you,

Starting point is 00:25:01 you know what I'm saying? Sisters be singing both of us. Shout out to Latifah and Elite both of them can sing, you feel me? She could go in the studio with them two bitches and she can catch a new era vibe, wave, and get to, you feel me floating on surfing on some shit, and be right back in the top of the charts, you know what I'm saying? But I personally think, and I'm definitely going

Starting point is 00:25:19 to get crucified for this, but I don't get no shits. I believe it just goes back, like I said, we was, we went to the, we went to school together and all kind of shit. And my M.O. is I'm one of them niggas for the movie. I'm like the educated street nigger. You know what I'm saying? I'm the nigga that they kick your door in and still make it in school in time to get Lisa B. So I was always the one everybody was like,

Starting point is 00:25:51 little Sam, you know, he did a good grades, you know. And then the bitch blew up first. I didn't go looking for her. Now this is why I feel like the world got to understand me. You know what I'm saying? This is the part where it's like, okay, this nigga got a point. Okay, check it out.

Starting point is 00:26:09 She went off, she did her thing, she blew up. We was only separated for five years. We hadn't only seen each other for five years, okay? She said she came back to get me. My dad wouldn't let me take her. I was still a minor. Duh. A minor can't come take a minor.

Starting point is 00:26:22 I don't care if you're about to get some money. So she's still a teenager at this time too. Right. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, when she blew up, up. It was funny because I used to watch her show. The little bitch I used to fuck with her. Her potty used to come over to the house and they used to watch this show. And I remember telling him one time like, that's my sister. And the bitch just laughed at me. They laughed at me like

Starting point is 00:26:48 a motherfucker, right? And then this is what brought me into the situation, R.P. Frankie. If y'all remember the episode, all the fans are going to go, ooh, he's right when I say this. If y'all remember the episode, my mama was in jail. She was locked up. She was doing five. My mom built different. She was doing five on a reality show. Keisha of her sitting down at a picnic table. She got the jumpsuit on orange jumpsuit, feel me? My mama says, have you found your brother Sammy or your sister elite yet?

Starting point is 00:27:23 Mm-hmm. Okay. Now, y'all know how networked. You feel me? Ooh, that's a plot. That's a story. The bitch wasn't looking for me. Just keep it a hundred.

Starting point is 00:27:36 My mama put me in the mix like she always do. That's how my mama really got on to, GZ, that's how he got onto my music because my mama was the one that pulled him to the side one night while he was parted. Hey, my son do music. That's when he pulled me to the side. Like, hey, I remember your mama.

Starting point is 00:27:49 My mama was my number one fan. She, from jail. Have you found your brother Sammy and your sister, Lee? Mani and BT and them was like, whoa, that's what we're doing. The next week, I'm watching the show with the bitches. They see that episode air. They hear my mama say, have you found your brother Sammy or your sister elite yet and they look at me like this

Starting point is 00:28:12 oh shit this nigga said that was his sister and his name is Sammy wait a minute the next week okay you know my sister got this deep dope-ass voice you know what I'm saying real assertive but when she's saying it turned to be I don't know how that shit goes with that shit crazy that transition crazy I get a phone call from a number 310 pick it up Little bro, I immediately put on speaker phones, I know it's her. Little bro, how you been? Them whole padding and they having heart attacks and shit. They're trying not to scream and yell, they all over the flow.

Starting point is 00:28:47 You feel me? For all kind of shit, I already knew she was going to be calling because my mom said. We ain't got to go through all the rest. Point being, you didn't come looking for me because you had love in your heart and you was trying to help me better my life. You came looking for me because you wanted to benefit from me as part of the show, making it look like you was some superhero putting his family together and you was going to make some change.

Starting point is 00:29:10 She fly me in. Her first shows she had when she flew me in, Conquer Pavilion. Where is that at? In the day. Right next door to Pittsburgh. Every nigga, every bitch I knew was in that motherfucking pavilion. I seen the niggas that had bodies saying, love, singing love.

Starting point is 00:29:26 I'm talking about killers. You feel me? That night I have actually had, I'm going to tell my other little story. That night had my first and only a groupie situation. I only like bitches. I ain't against nobody like none of that shit. Don't get to switch it. Nobody ain't gonna catch me.

Starting point is 00:29:40 I have all friends of all genders. I love everything. But I like women. But I had a groupie moment that night because Chris Brown tapped me on the shoulder and I love the fuck out as Chris Brown. I'm a gangster, but I would break out and full dance on your ass and turn to Chris Brown.

Starting point is 00:29:52 The girls know it. One shot. And I'm Chris Brown on your ass. Chris Brown tapped me on my shoulder. He was like, hey, yo, Sammy. Mind if I holler at Keisha real quick? This nigga just said my name? Did this nick go do his homework?

Starting point is 00:30:05 If I... Chris, man, go ahead. You know what I'm saying? She was dating somebody at the time. And I ain't shit. I should have said no. But Chris Brown did it anyway. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:30:12 Shout to Chris Brown. Everybody loved me, man. Like I said, everybody, man. Meadow Mariana Night. And this is before the reality show? This is before the shit. So, just before I even met any of the GZ or anybody. So I didn't know about any of that shit anyway.

Starting point is 00:30:25 So, you know, but when she flew me in, this is when I knew she was going to be fucked up. She flew me in, right? I was in Arizona. She flew me back over there to the hood. I was back and forth for the hood. That's none of y'all business why. But I was in Arizona, that's what one of my places was.

Starting point is 00:30:42 She was like, I-Fi. I walked into her hotel room. She was sitting in a chair getting her hair done. She did me like she was Al Pacino or some fucking body. The bitch getting her hair done, back to the room. Somebody spin her around, and she'd look at me. I knew this was, I knew some weird shit was going to go down. She looked at me.

Starting point is 00:31:06 She was like, oh, you still a street, nigger? I thought you would have been a rich nigga by now or something. I was like, I ain't Mr. Smarty Pants. I said all. That's how you're going to fly me in and do me with the Mr. Smarty Pants? For real? You thought I would have been, that's how you're going to do me? You came looking for me off of this shit.

Starting point is 00:31:28 You brought me up by my comfort zone for this shit. It's cool, though. I'm humble. I ain't tripping off of it. But my vibe's so dope. She's like, fuck this. I love my little brother. I'm gonna put him on.

Starting point is 00:31:40 Like she was fighting. Our whole relationship, she'd been fighting and wanting to love me and give me the world and wanting to keep me exactly where the fuck I was because she finally

Starting point is 00:31:47 won up to me. Because all through school, I was knocking them down, good grades, all this shit, beating up niggas, all her boyfriends, everything.

Starting point is 00:31:55 You feel me? I won the Martin Luther King Award. Marlon of the King was, I won the Martin Luther King a nigga and had Cloretta Scott and her family come to the school.

Starting point is 00:32:03 I'd be all the white kids, Asians, Indian kids in an essay contest. I'm stupid with this shit. Like Shantay and Snoop, They loved to fuck out of me in my intelligence. They was like, but that's some of their best friends, so they couldn't come between that shit. A lot of them people that are around her, they don't want to come in between their relationship.

Starting point is 00:32:22 That's, you know, hey, we can't say nothing, but just know, we see you, you know, a lot of stars. Okay, so it's a lot to unpack here, Sammy. It's a lot to unpack. I got to be honest with you. And the luggage is Burberry. Absolutely. Some go-yard luggage for show. With that being said, though, I'm able to kind of cipher through a lot of this...

Starting point is 00:32:46 Right. I don't want to say verbal diarrhea, but... Right. You know, you're saying a lot. But what I'm hearing, because the question was, what really happened between you and your sister? And would I be wrong to say that she was frustrated that you weren't giving up the street life? No, that's not what it was. She, I would say she...

Starting point is 00:33:17 Seems like you're avoiding really saying what's going on. I feel like she never intended on doing it, because it would have got done. You know what I'm saying? She didn't want to put you on. Never, no, the only person that got play to me outstanding in my family was Nephi. And coincidentally, she's the only person that don't sing or rap or anything that's in Keisha's lane. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:33:40 Maybe that's what it is. We're in her lane and she don't want to. nobody else in her lane. I mean you're not a female R&B singer. She don't care. She don't care but she'd go around dating what's that old funny ass football playing ass nigga now and I hear artists. As soon as he gets with her and I hear artists. Oh loud ass. Antonyo Brown like the piss birthday so I don't get no fuck. Antonio Brown you know what I'm saying. I'll be getting frustrated with shit like that too because it's like bitch every nigga you date end up getting some type of clout off you. Why not your brother? The nigga that's

Starting point is 00:34:10 taking care. And mind you, this the real shit. I'm the nigga that taking, I'm the nigga that care of his family. Let that be told. Let that be tell you. Okay. Y'all go check my mama's last five years of her life. Every video that she got, every picture that she got, I'm either there or the nigger taking the picture. Every child of every niece, nephew, everybody in this family. When they need some money, my cash app is where it go, where it come from. Let's get that clear. Okay. I've done more for this family and everybody in this bitch with less. Okay. Do you feel like she might think that you have a sense of entitlement? I'm my asshole. I ain't perfect. You know what I'm saying? But I have to be pushed to shit,

Starting point is 00:34:49 though. You know what I'm saying? You can't just run me over and say you're going to do this and say you're going to do that and then don't fix that shit. I'm not that nigger. I'm not going going to just let that shit slide. I'm going to give you time to fix it, but I'm not going to let it slide. Like to be honest, like I said, we're going to get into the music and shit in the second but like I already you know know that the negative shit go further than the music but at the same time the negative shit ain't gonna get this is not gonna put me in a situation where it's like hey you're about to get a deal now because you won't on here more or less everybody around us everybody that deal with us everybody that is fans

Starting point is 00:35:29 that his family need to know what the fuck really going on because they the ones always ask me the questions they don't want to always asking me shit that I can't answer. You know what I'm saying? Well, and I want you to, you know, here's the forum, here's the table for you to get all that out and clear up any misconceptions

Starting point is 00:35:47 so these people don't have to ask you anymore. And if you are ever asked, you can direct them to this piece of content right here. That's the purpose of this. I mean, beyond bringing more attention to your music, which is dope. We're going to do that. I'm just trying to be humble.

Starting point is 00:36:02 We're going to end up getting a deal. I mean, that's what the fuck's going to happen because I'm going to best in the world. And once anybody with any type of power looks into my situation, they're going to capitalize off this and they're going to make the money that she should have made. And I'm going to help them. Yeah. So that's what's going to happen.

Starting point is 00:36:17 It's no doubt about it. No doubt. I'm just trying to be humble. My boxing gloves is off, though. I don't get no fuck no more. Like I said, I love, I'm one of her biggest fan, but I know every fucking song she does by heart. Like, I can go in the shower.

Starting point is 00:36:28 It's like a straight bitch. I'm singing all that shit. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing. Like, I know you say she loved gangsters. I mean, she was dating GZ and she's been around it. She's from Oakland, so, you know, she's... She switched it up lately.

Starting point is 00:36:43 She tried some different shit, you know. But it's difficult being an artist, making that transition in the industry. You know, you don't want to have any liabilities. You don't want to have people that are close to you holding you back. And you feel like... Like that was what is going on here? Like, she didn't want. I see where y'all going with that question.

Starting point is 00:37:07 I see. I mean, like, you're talking about she's blowing up. I mean, I ain't going to say that it couldn't have been. Because, you know, like I said, the world don't know me, but the Bay Area do. You know what I'm saying? All of the big names in the Bay Area. All of them know me or know of me. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:37:25 And I love my hometown. And like I said, I'm not sitting here trying to say I'm the most gangst nigger ever. But I have built myself to the points where I could ride. around in my $200,000 car with all my jewelry on in my section. I can't do that out here in L.A. I'll be sliding it out this bitch sliding. Please don't. Because they slime me out here.

Starting point is 00:37:42 And I ain't from here. But in the Bay Area, I'm through there like that. You know what I'm saying? Orange and Black Coop, Pittsburgh. You feel me? I'm through there like that. That would be yellow and black. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:37:51 That's Pittsburgh's my guy. Facts. We're going to go back to Pittsburgh, California. Okay, come on. We orange and black. How he, I dare. Did Pittsburgh, did you all here this shit? This nigga trying to tell me.

Starting point is 00:38:00 Anyway. Man, shout to the Pueblo. Shout to Baypoint. Come on. Come on, you know, West Pittsburgh. We ain't here. West Pittsburgh. We ain't here.

Starting point is 00:38:06 We ain't here. But, you know, you could be right, Lush, man. That could have been, that could have been an issue. Like, because look, I'm not trying to get at you. No, no, no, no. Fuck that. You got to. I'm just, I'm trying to figure it out.

Starting point is 00:38:17 Right. And I'm trying to gain some insight because it doesn't make sense to me why she would have a vested interest in you not being successful. Right. Because from the rip, from both sides, from being a fan, or being somebody who's dissecting this shit from what it sounds like it's just some natural pure hate and shit.

Starting point is 00:38:38 Like it don't make any sense. That's what it sounds like. Like either she's... I am that guy. I ain't gonna lie. I would hate on me too. If I was her, I would have too. If she wanted to keep all the light on her

Starting point is 00:38:49 and that was her goal and she didn't want the light to switch and she wasn't like, you know, Brandy who loves Ray J getting the light or, you know, Monica brother who rest in peace and she wanted him to have a light or any other superstar celebrity that wanted their brother to have the light.

Starting point is 00:39:01 If that wasn't her, her goal, then that was, she did exactly what the fuck she was supposed to do. Because y'all not in the same lane or nothing. It don't matter. It don't matter. She's seen too much shit, I guess. Like I said, Paddle Bill grabbed my hand and told her, your brother's perfect. You know, like, every star, like, damn, your brother, your brother.

Starting point is 00:39:17 London on the track and all of them. Like, my other sisters, my other sisters were reminding me of all the celebrities that was trying to get me on the deals and shit. You know what I'm saying? And I forgot so many, because I've been through so much shit in these streets. I forgot about all of the celebrities that was trying to get me. You know what I'm saying? Like, for real, for real, for real, for real, for real.

Starting point is 00:39:32 And you feel like it's her that closed the door on all those situations. It's not costing you nothing. You know what I'm saying? We actually had an issue. The last little issue we had was last year, right? You know, we was trying to build our relationship back up. And she said something to me. And it sparked a little argument.

Starting point is 00:39:50 And I was like, yeah, I feel like you should help me. You like my big sister. Like, what the fuck? My nigga? You feel me? Post my shit. My nigga? It don't take nothing.

Starting point is 00:39:56 Oh, you want me to post your shit that bad? Yes, I do. She posted it. 19 seconds, 8,000 followers, delete. My other little brother, she posts his shit all the time. He don't even got, you feel me? He don't even have 8,000 followers, I don't know. Like, I'm different.

Starting point is 00:40:13 The world love me. They gravitate to me. I'm him, you know? I'm that nigger, for real. You ain't going to not like me. You know what I'm saying? The blood's in the crib. I didn't been in L.A., got into it all kinds of shit.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Last time I got arrested in L.A. Some years ago, the gangsters out here showed me so much love after I had about eight fights because I didn't know because I got a G on my chest for Ghost because my name is Ghost. They said that, nigga, you flamed up. You looking like a GD right now. I was like, that's why everybody, because I got in the parking lot and I just lost it.

Starting point is 00:40:42 I had like nine games. We don't have GDs down here. Or whatever the fuck they said. I don't know. I'm not a game dude, so I don't know that. But they was like, you flaming up, you want some other shit. I don't know what it was.

Starting point is 00:40:51 But they said the G on my chest was for some gang, they thought, and I had a lot of issues. Like, you know, like, you know, but it's two different world over here in the Bay Area in L.A. You know what I've been down here And you know what I'm saying I know how that shit work I know how everything work man

Starting point is 00:41:03 You know They love me They was like I was like you know I ain't no gangbanger You know what the fuck going on Somebody fill me in These niggas pull me to the side

Starting point is 00:41:13 I'm fresh out of jail Looking on ragged They bought me some noodles And shit They take them to the store Give me some clothes Like you tight bro Like the streets just gravitate to me

Starting point is 00:41:21 Because I'm really a humble Loving ass character But I don't take no shit And I don't need no hundred Niggas with me No validation For nobody I'm gonna get down

Starting point is 00:41:30 And I'm going to stand on what I say. You feel me? Like, I'm going to go. I'm going to go. For show. For show. Ain't no doubt about it. I'm going to go.

Starting point is 00:41:39 That's facts. So, um... Oh, my mama. You're in ATL. You're working on music with a lot of different producers. People keep... Freestyle and never made it to do any of the comeback sessions because I was blocked. That's the weird thing, though, too, is like she's bringing you around these people.

Starting point is 00:41:58 No one. But then when situations... come to fruition, you feel like she's the one blocking it from materializing. No other way it could have got blocked. Period. And you've spoken to her. And you've spoken to her about it. I've spoken to her and I've spoken to a couple people.

Starting point is 00:42:15 I'm not, now certain things, like I said, I'm not going to say, because I'm not breaking no bond that she got with none of the extra close people. But I've been told by people that know personally, that's for sure. That's what was going on. Okay. And then you work on this reality show with her. you have a couple crazy incidents transpire, but for the most part, it's smooth sailing, right?

Starting point is 00:42:35 Right. Then afterwards, instead of you getting what your promise, which was $180,000, she has you sign a waiver which diverts the funds. And I wasn't tripping because I thought it was going to go to my mom and my sisters in them. So you didn't read the paperwork closely? Not enough.

Starting point is 00:42:58 Okay. That's why I said it's my mom. my fault. A lot of that shit's my fault. Who the fuck thinks they're supposed to do this shit to him, man? You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't. I wouldn't, bro. Yeah. I didn't. I'm going to keep it a hundred with y'all. I'm not going to sit up here and say, yeah, I read everything. No, I didn't. I was dumb for that, though. That's why I said it's my fault. I was done for thinking that that shit wasn't going to happen.

Starting point is 00:43:15 But this is also after there's been a couple situations that came to fruition that you say that she circumvented that didn't wind up materializing. So, maybe that would have clued you in a little bit but regardless of that you don't see the money your family don't see the money

Starting point is 00:43:37 you wind up confronting they was living in the projects in Atlanta they weren't even living in luxury they was living in the project shout out to them Riverdale niggas we was in Riverdale on Flat Shoals I was in Clayton County knicks Matter of fact then Brickswoy niggas

Starting point is 00:43:51 yeah when I hear Riverdale I think of Waka and shit brisk wild niggas that's who helped me get away from the police all the time then niggas used to call me for Shodderon Shoddy matter of fact The first time the police got on my line was, you know, because I'm fresh McCalley. So the first time they were awful weed and gun. So they, you know, I'm running. I'm running because I got guns and weed on me.

Starting point is 00:44:08 I ain't trying to go down. The police told me, they said, nigger, the first time you took off, we didn't even chase your stupid ass. We were just watching like that little nigga fast. But every time I would do, what I would do was, is we live right on Riverdale on flat shows. Then behind us, the fence, that was, that was the brick squad, niggas, that was the brick squad, that was their apartments right there. I would have the fence the niggas that tuck me off in somebody shit. You feel me? I already know what time was.

Starting point is 00:44:28 Like, you're running? I'm running. took me off in somebody shit, you know what I'm saying? I did that, man, I sat down, I did that. I sat down, nigga, one of the, one of Keisha's assistance, nigga, committed a murder, nigga, and I woke up, nigga, with his car parked outside from my own,

Starting point is 00:44:42 the police, nigga, they're like, man. Look, I sat down and shut up and did it 72, so this nigga can run, and never, you feel me, never said nothing. And I ain't saying who tipped the police off to my whereabouts, but my own family didn't even call and tell me, hey, look, this is what just happened. I just told the

Starting point is 00:44:58 police this, you know what I'm saying? I just got nigga, nigga, I'm talking about when you're talking about my shit was on America, this is all public record. America's Most Wanted. You know what I'm saying? You y'all can go look it up for y'allself and see who told because it's public record. I ain't going to say shit. But I could tell you this much. Nigel helicopters, flashbang, all kind of shit. I'm smooth. I got a bottle there. I'm watching

Starting point is 00:45:16 all this shit go down at the neighbor house. You feel me? So you were on America's Most Wanted? I did what the nigga that did nothing. I was just with him every day. Okay. And I ain't saying he did nothing, but he in jail right now. You feel me? He got convicted? Yeah, but that's not part of the story that's tripe.

Starting point is 00:45:34 It's like who told the people where I was and what was going on and all kind of shit like that. Like, family be tripping. You know what I'm saying? If it's on public record, then... Y'all can go find that out. We'll move to the next story because I ain't talking about that's personal or shit. But anyway.

Starting point is 00:45:46 Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I feel like the people would want me to ask this question. I'd be remiss if I didn't. What's your history with drugs? Are you on drugs?

Starting point is 00:45:57 Were you ever on drugs? Oh, I used to be on fuck it. Fuck every nigga from the Bay Area that was maneuvering how he was used to be on drugs. But I've been cleaning for about five now. You know what I'm saying? Hours. This thing ain't shit. No jumper.

Starting point is 00:46:13 Fuck a jumper. I'm trying to, I just, can I get a lay up? Shit. No jumper. No wonder why they say no jumper. Ain't that a bitch? No, uh, it's five years, man. Five years, man.

Starting point is 00:46:25 Five years, man. No drugs, man. Just this good weed, man. Cocaine? Uh. Cocaine? Back in the day Like I said

Starting point is 00:46:34 It's been some years So you know I don't do nothing no more But you know I'm like Mac Dre New Era you know what I'm saying So you're popping a lot of things I'm like Mac Dre

Starting point is 00:46:42 I'm like MacDray I'm like like that I'm like that Velaille nigga they call Mac Dre The Living Led The Dead Legend You know what I'm saying I'm like I move like like

Starting point is 00:46:49 Like Mac Dre used to move You know what I'm saying Like like that's how I get in Okay and look I definitely I'm a recovering drug addict I have you know two years and eight months and changed clean.

Starting point is 00:47:03 Absolutely. Most definitely. All bullshit aside, no joking, that shit was difficult. Yeah, yeah. I beat that shit in my family and all my friends, they were real proud of me, you know what I'm saying? But I know where y'all going was that? Was I on drugs at that time?

Starting point is 00:47:16 Well, also right now, I mean, like, this nigga trying to get me. No, no, I'm like, I'm super. No, I'm on drugs right now. I'm just, you know what I'm saying? Just like the way you're telling this stories are so disjointed and erratic That's because I didn't really want to fucking tell them.

Starting point is 00:47:32 Okay. Okay. And I could understand that. And I could understand that. It just, you know, this, look, it takes one to no one, right? You feel me? I know what it looked like. So I believe you, though.

Starting point is 00:47:47 People sometimes, people think I'd be fucked up still, and I'm not. So I understand. Maybe you're smoking some sativa. I'm glad this nigga said this shit, so they know this shit ain't scripted. it. No. This nigga ain't shit, y'all. I promise you all. Nah. Damn. Okay. No.

Starting point is 00:48:07 So you're not on dope. No. Bruh. Security? Somebody come get this nigga. Fuck, I like, is there a button or something? I got to press? I mean, look, there's a reason. Is there an escape button? Where that big tall-ass black nigga with the, with the, with the metal detector and shit that.

Starting point is 00:48:30 They made me go put my shit back in the car. I fuck him. But no. No. No. All serious. decide though, no. It's just because I'm real emotional about the situation because when I'm traveling through these stories, I ain't been through this lush, I ain't been through these stories. Right. And so long, I forgot

Starting point is 00:48:44 how fucking close I was and how fucked up I got fucked off and how many times I really and what I've really been through. So this shit is emotional. You know what I'm saying? Understandable. And I ain't on joke right. What's, so out of all this, what makes you the most emotional?

Starting point is 00:49:01 What are you the most upset about? The fact that I'm the illest nigga in the world I don't nobody fucking know it. That's fucked up. You're the best they never heard. I'm the best they never heard. And I'm about to be heard now because, you know, unfortunately, you know, they say the truth sells set you free.

Starting point is 00:49:18 And in a world where everybody want to know what the fuck really be going on, this is the type of shit that they want to know. They want to know the truth. They probably be wondering. The celebrities probably wonder, why ain't nobody else came out of Keisha family? Because my sister is so youthful and beautiful. It's like even if she ain't popping musically, she's still popping. Whatever she do, something happened because she's so beautiful and all the girls still love her and shit like that.

Starting point is 00:49:42 So they'd be, you know, they probably be wondering. Like, bro, what's going on? You know what I'm saying? Now y'all know. I'm really, because I hear your side and just. Oh, she ain't going to give y'all no side. No, like, I'm sure she's. She ain't going to say shit.

Starting point is 00:49:55 I'm sure she's not. I'm sure she's not. I'm sure she's not. My family, my family, my family going to say something to me, though. I'm sure she'd be very upset by this, which sucks because I love, I'm a huge Keisha fan. Me too. Shit, I'm probably one of the only niggas that still listen to that shit. Shots fired, sir.

Starting point is 00:50:14 But with just the way that you're framing this, like your, your story, if we let you tell it is essentially... Bitch, I need my 200K on my record deal. Young Jeasy, the door's back open. Everybody else, all them names I ain't going through. The door's back open. I need my motherfucking reparations. Now. And there's no reason.

Starting point is 00:50:42 Fuck out of here. Other than jealousy. I ain't got no jumper. I'm step of curry. I got a jumper like a motherfucker. Fair enough. And there ain't no other reason except, you know, she got the same syndrome like all my old pretty boy homies used to have. They'd be mad as fuck that they're the prettiest.

Starting point is 00:50:56 But for some reason, the prettiest bitch won't meet. You know what I'm saying? When you got the glow, it don't matter. I got that James Brown shit going on. I look good. I feel good. I smell good. You know what I'm saying? Like I have my confidence is like, you know, I don't care, you know, hey, and I don't got to say too much, you know, I'm going to end up half of it to say something. The reason why I got back into music wasn't because I wanted to get back into it is because so many friends and family and so many of her fans kept telling me like,

Starting point is 00:51:23 bro, what are you doing? You wasting a lot. You wasted in talent. What are you doing, nigger? I lost a love for that shit. Now, if every, and I'm not saying, look, I know you're going to say whatever the fuck you got to say. I take things of face value. So let's say everything you're saying is 100% accurate. Right. There's no other, there's no margin for error. This isn't due to anything that you're not taking accountability for,

Starting point is 00:51:50 be it excessive drug use, be it, you know, being too deep in the streets, which made you somewhat of a liability. The only other thing that I could possibly think of, Because your explanation of being prettier than Keisha Cole is not flying with me. Man, I am the handsome. No, I'm just playing. Look, my sister is so fucking beautiful, bro. The only other thing.

Starting point is 00:52:12 That's very difficult to do. She's got all of these young holes beat the fuck up. Keisha Basteel. I'm going to agree with that. See, that's a fine old man. I ain't going to catch me. Jesus Christ. God, br.

Starting point is 00:52:24 I'm glad I'm wearing a jacket. It just got, man, this sub-Arctic in here. It's so cold. And I'm a scalyless fly-ass nigga if you ask them. You know what I'm saying? They're going to say the same shit back. With that.

Starting point is 00:52:39 With a bottle full of liquor. Like you think you think because you fly you something, you ain't shit, nigga, they all say that. They love to fuck out their brother though. The only other ex, probably not anymore. The only other explanation I could give. Fuck it, I'm going to say I was on dope, bitch. Fuck it.

Starting point is 00:52:54 Bitch, I was on dope. I'm just playing. I'm sober, man. The only other explanation I could think of is that there is some family dynamic that you're not touching on, which I understand, and you don't have to do that.

Starting point is 00:53:07 You know, like there's some family dynamic going on that's fueling this resentment that she has towards you that's making her not want to... I am the family dynamic. It's just like, if that were the case, I don't understand why she would...

Starting point is 00:53:22 What's more dynamic than Sammy in this family? Like, what do we talk about? I just don't understand why she would be dangling this carrot in front of your face. So is it because she needed you as a character on this reality show? So she brought you around? That was only the reason I came around like that.

Starting point is 00:53:39 Okay. That was it. Okay. Like I said, same spot. Everybody always used to say, you know, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy. She blew up first. And she was one, she came up in Oakland at the time where, you know, you know, black girls didn't really get much love and they wasn't making it like that.

Starting point is 00:53:57 And she was one of them flowers that blossomed from the, you know what I'm saying. And she was like, you know, I did this. What she did. I did this. I didn't get no help. So y'all ain't get no help. Well, there wasn't like, you know, people got to understand. This is a period of time when the Bay Area was essentially blackballed from the industry.

Starting point is 00:54:16 There was, it wasn't until, if people don't know the history, back in the 90s, the Bay Area was like the hottest region in hip hop. outside of LA and New York. You had a bunch of artists blowing up from the Bay Area, all getting deals. Tupac was considered a Bay Area artist. You know, E-40 was signed to jive. Spice One was signed to jive. Two Short was signed to Jive.

Starting point is 00:54:42 Souls of Mischief were signed to Jive Zamba. Del the Funky Olmosapien was signed to Electra. There's a lot of... Oh, informational ass niggins. I don't see why this nigga through this. This nigga know everything, when they shoot the shots, all that shit. There's a lot of deals being given to Bay Area artists.

Starting point is 00:55:00 And Atlantic gave a deal to an artist named JT the Bigger. He got a label deal for his imprint, Get Low Records. Shout to JT. He's a fucking legend. One of my heroes. I love all them niggas. I don't care who you niggas be beefing with because I don't know. None of you niggas that much to be into you beat.

Starting point is 00:55:17 Shout out to Filthy, Mazzie, Lavage, JT. All them niggas. Shout to the whole Bay Area, man. All them niggas, man. D. Lowe, all them niggas. all you I love all you niggas. As the folklore goes,

Starting point is 00:55:28 and I'm not going to confirm or deny this to be true, but as the rumor was, and as you know, you could look all over online to see this, apparently J.T. got his advance for the label deal. It was over a million dollars. He wound up running off with the money,

Starting point is 00:55:44 not delivering the project. I don't know if that's true or not. This is the folklore, though. And then as a result, subsequently, the Bay Area was blackballed for the project. the industry. No deals were given to Bay Area artists on a major level, which, I mean, was true. This is also around the time shortly thereafter the East West Coast beef, Biggie

Starting point is 00:56:06 Small is getting murdered in Los Angeles. And then here come Keisha Cole. And then even though she did it by herself. It wasn't until the hyphy movement popped off. And she did it by herself, but she got to understand. You did it by yourself, but you didn't though. Those people that was around that had the, you know, they believed in you, and they put you in position, you know, you was dealing with some heavy dealing people at that time, you know what I'm saying, like some big name from across the way, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, that was dude, like, see, I know how it really happened, because she was with Shilly Knight and Tupac and him, you know what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:56:39 I know how it really happened. That's another story. I'm not going to say somebody had to pay me for that story because I know what would really happen when Tupac was Shinnike and all of them. See, you think you slick, nigga. The next question, this nigga tried to give me a name. No, I mean, like, obviously. You want to talk about it.

Starting point is 00:56:52 No, I don't know, not that one. I'm just saying as far as, no, see, that's not what's going to happen. But as far as how she got on and who was around her, and, you know, it wasn't like no weird old shit like that. Like I'm just saying, she had some big names and people who believed in her. And that's how she got on. It wasn't like she just went to some shit. And then, you know, actually the show that she did,

Starting point is 00:57:16 actually the show that she did, when people put her in position and the show that she was going to get on, to go, the show that put her on, that put her in position, guess where she was at that day before on the way to that show? Where she was at? At my house, my dad used to do hair. My dad was a hustler, plus he used to do hair.

Starting point is 00:57:34 He did her hair for the show. And then she got caught stealing some weed that day. And then I got in trouble for it. We got in trouble. And she went off on here, she did her show, and she was mad at my dad. And then she got famous after that. That was the show she got famous after.

Starting point is 00:57:47 Like, I've been around that whole time. So, yeah. And then she dipped off. But, you know, everybody has somebody that believe in them. Point of the story. That's like everybody that came in contact with me when I was around her into the situation that she brought me into, they was like, I believe.

Starting point is 00:58:06 This, this, this, this, this, this thing has got it. You know, I've been jumping to some DMs lately. You know, I told my, because I don't like doing that type of shit. And I usually keep my pride. I got too much pride. I always just shut the fuck up. But lately I've been jumping in somebody's CEOs and these managers' DMs. Like, yo.

Starting point is 00:58:19 How's that going? I got a lot of hits back. You know, that's what I said. It's only a matter of time anyway, but I want everybody know the truth. So when it's not what it is, you know what the fuck really going down. And then I'm going to get to the point

Starting point is 00:58:32 to where I'm going to get big enough to where she's going to have to eventually deal with this shit. It don't matter. It's just not going to be right now. When you say deal with this shit, are you speaking on the financial aspect? No, I'm talking about me and her sitting down and getting this shit hashed out

Starting point is 00:58:42 like a brother and his sister because I don't give a fuck about that money. I want my shit, but it's not enough to make me say I hate you. You ain't my sister no more. I'm just like, hey, what's up? Because I know you don't, at the end of the day, you're an artist, you want to get your shit out there, you believe in your talent,

Starting point is 00:58:57 you are talented, you've had a lot of major people in the game co-sign you. Right. So I know you don't want to be in your sister's shadow. That's the last thing you want. No. That's not going to help you. But, but, but I on the low also have this dope-ass respect for her. that even if I blew up and I surpassed and I had more sales,

Starting point is 00:59:23 I'm still her little brother. I don't give her fuck. Because that's my big sister because I used to look up to her. You know what I'm saying? That's why I followed her and beat up her boyfriend. We was in a mall some years ago and some niggas was trying to holler at her. And I was like, nah, that's out, bro. And she was like, what the fuck are you going to do?

Starting point is 00:59:39 Try to kill her a nigga in my whole life. They tried to holler at me. Duh. What are you talking about? Like, niggas is better learn some respect when I'm around. Like, it's a way to do it. Sounds like a full-time job. and shit at a nigga's sister

Starting point is 00:59:51 hell of disrespectfully loud, why he there and he with the shit, that's not smart. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a way to do it, you know, respectfully like Chris Brown did. Hey, yo, Sam, you mind if I holl at Keisha? Go ahead.

Starting point is 01:00:02 You feel me? Respectfully. You feel me? Respectfully. It's the last person I'd let holler at my sister. I don't know about y'all. No disrespect to CB. I'm trying to go be CB wingman somewhere.

Starting point is 01:00:12 I'm, I'm, the second, even the second baddest say he would go be bad. I'm going to be out. See me, holl at your nigga. That, I would prefer. I prefer to do that, but C.B. wants to holler, my sister. You know how many moms and sisters I didn't did? Man, grandmas, too. I'm fine. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:00:27 That's how I feel. I'm fine. Your grandma can get it. Your daughter and your sister, like, everybody. Like, who am I to tell a grown-ass woman what she can't do? If my sisters is going to be with somebody, at least I'd rather the nigger be somebody to so I know he ain't about to try to take everything she got. At least a nigger can help, you know what I'm saying, be beneficial in some way. I'm not going to get into the various allegations and things. We're just going to leave that where it is. C.B. didn't do it. He's innocent. I don't care. Nobody said. He's innocent.

Starting point is 01:00:52 We're just going to leave that over there. Innocent. Shout out to C.B. My guy, innocent. Okay. Fair enough. On to the next question. Now, clearly there's a lot of pain, and it seems like you still have a great deal of admiration for Keisha. And what you just expressed to me is that what you really want is a conversation, right?

Starting point is 01:01:16 You want an open dialogue with her. Am I wrong for saying that? but not just that though it would have to be she would have to be real about this shit she would have to accept the fact you know um I like to tell all my friends

Starting point is 01:01:30 you know any females I deal with myself accountability in any relationship is the biggest factor you know what I'm saying outside of God absolutely I agree and at the end of the day

Starting point is 01:01:43 you can't control what she's going to say all you can do and if it's me, all I can do is be accountable for my actions and, you know, speak my reality and my truth. If you ask somebody why they did something

Starting point is 01:01:59 and they tell you, you can't continue to keep being mad at them. Like, you've got your answer. You have to also have the respect to understand why somebody did something. So that's what you want to know. You want to know why. I mean, I'll take the deal first.

Starting point is 01:02:12 I ain't going to lie. So it's not even about the conversation. I'll take my deal first. I got kids and shit now. See, see, that that's the I got I got stripped of some I got stripped of some opportunities but with all due respect that sounds thirsty you know what I mean fucking give me somebody give me a glass too then because at the end of the day it's like

Starting point is 01:02:30 so the recognition and the fame and blowing up and I understand the feeding your family aspect I would never take that away from any right any adult trying to feed their family there's nothing more important than your family with that being said though you know does is the money more important important than your relationship with her? That's a fucked up question that asks somebody that's been sitting waiting for their family member to deal with them in a private manner

Starting point is 01:02:56 already. Because it's like, I actually have rationality in saying no, because it was, and it wasn't to that person. So after a while, it became no, it's not

Starting point is 01:03:13 no more. Now, I just want what's mine. That's what I'm here for. Okay. So at this point, the relationship is secondary. Ghost's got two EPs, volume one and volume two, worth the wait. Sorry for the wait, Pittsburgh, California. But see, that's, and shouts to, we actually met through our mutual friend who is producer for both of us, DJ Phrase 1. Best DJ in the world right now to me. Incredible producer, great DJ.

Starting point is 01:03:40 Best DJ in the world to me right now. DJ phrase 1. I got to say Cal is number one, number one, but I told DJ Fraze 1, he coming for the throne with Cali. Cal is that guy right now with DJ Frays 1. I fucking love that nigga. Great guy. That's my dog. So, but beyond that,

Starting point is 01:04:00 it's like repairing the relationship, like you going out and saying all this, I respect the honesty, but it definitely, if I'm her and I'm hearing all this and I'm hearing that's the main thing you want, I'm probably going to be like, I ain't fucking with you. Right. But then it's like,

Starting point is 01:04:17 okay, like I said, How many times has he tried to reach out on that type of hype already? You know what I'm saying? So you've tried. You've tried to be cool with her. Too many times. You've reached out several times. Too many times.

Starting point is 01:04:29 Dark corridors every single time. Too many times. Private. Let's do it like this. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, she'd be like, okay, we'll talk about it. You know, and it just never happens, you know, a year ago by. And I'm like, you know what?

Starting point is 01:04:40 It's cool. What do you think is her perspective? You got to like, like, you know, what in her, what do you think let me rephrase that what do you feel like you need to be accountable for if you're taking accountability what did you do wrong in this whole situation

Starting point is 01:04:57 with her besides being too pretty and too talented see how good he is because I was about to start going into this shit this nigga is smooth smooth operator talking about Keisha not Shade I just had to

Starting point is 01:05:12 What have you because you know accountability I could have said it to fuck up. You could have shut it the fuck up. I could have shut it the fuck up. Start going back to when? I mean, but see, it's hard to do, it's hard to shut up when people do fuck shit, you know? You know, it's very difficult to be the bigger man sometime, you know, and I wasn't as big of a man

Starting point is 01:05:40 as I am now then, you know, I wasn't, you know, and when she did some fuck shit, you know. So you went public with this a long time ago? I, you know, I didn't go public with everything. I just, you know, said some shit and, you know, left it what it was. I've never told the whole full truth. Like I tell her and my family knows and everybody knows. We keep certain shit inside. But is there something you haven't said now? I feel like I came on here and everything I said was related to money and business

Starting point is 01:06:10 because business is business. And you keep business business and you keep personal shit personal. So I've come on here and I've spilled business. I've had opportunities, business opportunities and money that was taken and shit for me. And I felt like I wanted back and I feel like there should be justification for that shit. And I have rational reasoning and why, what the fuck I'm saying, and it's real. So, you know, I'll bid my tongue a hundred times tonight. And I'm going to continue to do that.

Starting point is 01:06:40 Certain shit I just ain't going to say. Okay, so let me ask you this, though. That certain shit, which I'm not asking you to speak on. because I'm not. So, you're good, you're not that good. But is that certain shit a determining factor? Like how much of a factor is that? Like, would we understand this story a lot better if you spoke on that?

Starting point is 01:07:01 Because at this point, there's, it's still not fully adding up or connecting. And that's why I like questions about. Certain times it's just like, you know what? Fuck it. You just, you know, certain shit is going to be what it's going to be. and you're going to leave it where it's at and the people that's involved in it going to know what the fuck it is you know there's lots of incidents that i won't speak on and i just won't and the people that was around and the family members and and the friends of the family that know what's up

Starting point is 01:07:33 they're going to be like okay good he didn't say nothing and it's the reason why whenever there is opportunity for us to have conversation she does kind of start to lead in the wanting to talk about things because she knows and she's like I said she's admitted that she need to talk about that shit but that's also why and it gets so angry like bro you know you text me like we talk in in text and talk I've got the text you know I got it I ain't gonna ever show nobody but you know I got it of you saying that you need to talk to me about these things you know what I'm see like I'm torn right now and I know you're gonna stay torn I'm torn because I really want you to respect I really want you to respect your family dynamic but at the same time

Starting point is 01:08:16 Tom, I don't want you to look crazy out here. Man, I am crazy out here, though. You're looking kind of crazy. Man, I gotta look crazy, man. You know? Like, I don't, I don't, I fuck with you. You're the homie. I don't want you to go out like that.

Starting point is 01:08:31 So I really feel like it's in your best interest to speak on whatever you're holding on to. Oh, man. Because it doesn't make sense, bro. And like, this shit's just, I know what the comments are going to say when this drops. I know what the people are going to think. And if you don't get down

Starting point is 01:08:46 And they're going to click on my page and they're like, no, bro, really dope as fuck for real. Like, oh, shit. Fair enough. Fair enough. But, you know. Right. You know, like I said, certain shit, you know, we're going to. Orlando Brown's a dope artist too.

Starting point is 01:09:01 But people aren't clicking on his shit like that. They're just listening to all the off the hook and saying shit he's saying. And then that becomes like a meme of itself and a self-perpetuating cycle. And like, so. Yeah, unfortunately, he kind of weird. And I'm, right. And I'm cool as fuck. One of the coolest things

Starting point is 01:09:17 walking the plan, so it's different. You know what I'm saying? It's just different, you know? You know, it's different. I'm different, you know? Like I said. You pull up to the scene with your ceiling mission. I'm different, you know.

Starting point is 01:09:32 Period. I gotcha. I just noticed y'all water sitting no jumper on it. That's dope. Yeah. High level branding. If you, Keisha's just sitting here, right,

Starting point is 01:09:45 here with you right now. What do you say to her? First of all, let me say you can't accuse me of all the things. You know that you are guilty of and I see that it is easy for you to blame everything on me. If that's the game, I should go out of my fun, do all the things you say I do and girl I can't

Starting point is 01:10:11 continue to take this from you. I might as well have. Okay. That's what you say to her if she's here? That's exactly what the fuck I'm going to say to her. Oh, God. Do you feel like there's any hopes of reconciling this situation? Bro, as soon as I get lit, she's going to call me in the middle of the night.

Starting point is 01:10:35 Y'all don't know. We brothers and sister. We brother and sister. I'm going to get lit to the point she knows I don't need her no more. See, that's what kind of person she is. Until she know you don't need her, she's been through a lot, you know? We're from the block for real.

Starting point is 01:10:49 My whole family, we're from the block for real, for real, for real. She's been through a lot. Until a woman like that, which is most, I ain't going to lie. That's damn near 70% of women these days. Women is real masculine with that shit. Until a woman feel like she don't need you, I mean, like you don't really need her, you around because you want to be, they're not going to fuck with you 100%.

Starting point is 01:11:06 So soon as I get in position where I'm going right now, she's going to call me one night in the middle of the night, she'll be like, what you doing? I'm like waiting on your big head ass. Where are you at? Like down the street, I'm pulling up. All right, all right. And she's gonna pull up.

Starting point is 01:11:24 I'm gonna conversate, the conversation we should have been had before I got on. But it don't matter because she gonna do everything backwards. That's how my sister is. That's how all these women is. All you niggas with a backwards right now too. I don't get fuck what you're talking about. Like y'all niggas are struggling with the backwards ass bitch.

Starting point is 01:11:39 I'm struggling. My baby mom is crazy. But anyway, and if we're gonna fix that shit, I tell my, I'm family. I laugh and tell the joke. As soon as I get where I'm going, because I stopped, I didn't want to do music. Now I'm actually, it's the first time consistently ever in my life I'm doing music. I got two albums, hell of videos.

Starting point is 01:11:54 I'm doing like, as soon as I get where I'm going, she's going to fuck with me. And I mean, like, look, you're doing well. You know what? You know why? She going to fuck with me, though. All my brothers and sisters, why she actually really going to fuck on me the most? Because I was really the only nigga who was man enough to really say how he felt during all of the fuck shit that she was doing. For real, for real.

Starting point is 01:12:12 Don't nobody really want nobody to just sit back and just let him. them lie and live a lie, for real. I mean, look, you're doing well. That jewelry is real, right? That really isn't a bit. Y'all got the testers back there. High line. Sounds a high line.

Starting point is 01:12:25 So you're doing all right? You're doing the damn thing. You've got a lot of music coming out. I really hope that this situation between you and Sis gets rectified. Because, you know, all bullshit aside, I can read between the lines. And what I see is pain.

Starting point is 01:12:41 And I see a lot of pain. That's what me and her, that's what me and her resemble. I wish you the best. I want to see you get through this difficult time as far as that goes, and I want to see y'all mend your relationship, whatever that looks like. We're going to mend our relationship

Starting point is 01:12:58 soon as I get this deal. But I want y'all to make sure y'all play that part while I son that song because that's exactly what I say to her. That's exactly what I'm going to say to her when we do have that song. I've been waiting to do that shit. Well, I had to ask. I'm going to sing that shit too when I say it to her. Send me the Ghost. Any final thoughts

Starting point is 01:13:13 before we sky about this man look take this all man ghost volume one and two on the way out everybody reach out to me we're getting in like i said i love my sister ain't nobody about to do no weird shit we're gonna keep it a hundred DJ phrase one best DJ right now coming to LA everybody tap in he got all the beats all that shit fire you know we on them we on a move you know what I'm saying everybody back home in the Bay area we on the way It's getting ready to get real scary, scary season. I'm not going to lie. Spooky season is the ghost.

Starting point is 01:13:49 I'm not going to lie. This was an absolutely fascinating conversation. I cannot wait to hear what the people got to say about this. Thank you for being as open and honest as you possibly could be. And if you ever need to talk about some drug shit, you know, where I'm at. With that being said, we about this biage. You're about this.

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